Joe Rogan Experience #1891 - Duncan Trussell

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   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      (laughs) Hello, Duncan.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell0:16

      Hello!

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I don't think this is gonna work.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:20

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      (laughs) Oh my God, I can't see. Ugh.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:27

      Oh, fuck.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      I can't, like ... I can't see at all.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:32

       All right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       I don't know how you're supposed to see out of that.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell0:33

       It is a deadly outfit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       I guess I'll just put that on when I wanna say something incriminating.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell0:39

       Yeah. S- What do you mean?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Well, the Thought Police. So pull up that article, Jamie, at the beginning of this podcast. We should probably go right into this. 'Cause apparently, the Department of Homeland Security (sniffs) and Twitter-

   16. DTDuncan Trussell0:56

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       ... were working together. Are we on?

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:00

       (sniffs) Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       I don't hear ... There we go. The Department of Homeland Security was, uh, they, they had a plan to police information and they were working with Twitter in some fashion. Like, look at this. "Quietly broadening its effort to curb speech it considers dangerous."

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:18

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       What does that mean?

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:20

       I don't know.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       "An investigation by The Intercept has found years of internal DHS memos, emails, and documents obtained via leaks and an ongoing lops and on- ... (clears throat) And an ongoing lawsuit as well as public documents illustrate the expansive effort by the agency to influence the tech platforms."

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:38

       Shit.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       "The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public," dun, dun, dun, "came into clearer view earlier this year when DHS announced a new Disinformation Governance Board-"

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:50

       Good lord.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       "... a panel designed to police misinformation, false information spread unintentionally; disinformation, false information spread internally."

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:59

       Intentionally?

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       "And mal- ... Intentionally," excuse me. "And malinformation, factual information shared typically out of context, with harmful intent." Malinformation's a weird one.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell2:11

       Malinformation?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell15:00

      in this shit that doesn't work so that it, like, stops working and you rebuild instead of patching up old wobbly things that are, like, smoke's coming out, gears are flying off, and you're supposed to pretend like it's working.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Right.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell15:15

      That's where it gets creepy is, like, you know, if the, if, if the machine that is failing starts telling tech companies or whoever, like, what is real and what isn't, then a, a broken machine is then, like, articulating truth which then... So if someone starts telling the truth, "The emperor wears no clothes," and then, like, Twitter throws up underneath like, "This is potential misinformation." (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell15:42

      (laughs) Or whatever.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      And that's why this Department of Homeland Security thing is so creepy, because that would be the same people, the same people that are telling you things that are factually inaccurate or that are getting fact-checked on Twitter, would be the very people that would get to dictate what is mal-information.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell16:02

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:03

      Like, mal-information was the craziest one. Like, everybody thinks you shouldn't be able to say things that aren't true, right? Or if you do, you must correct them. Like, y- are you, are you telling the truth or are you manipulating with lies?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell16:15

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       You can't manipulate with lies. So if maybe you said something and you thought it was true, let's correct that.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell16:23

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       But if you just keep doing that over and over and over again and you never admit that, and then you're the one who gets to dictate what's mal-information-

   13. DTDuncan Trussell16:31

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       ... it's like the death rows of a dying system.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell16:37

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       And it's reaching out in a t- and it's acting and behaving the way it used to be able to behave when it had total access to what gets in- what, what people get informed about or not.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell16:48

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       It had complete control of that at one point in time.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell16:51

       Well, it's massive. I mean, we're talking about... How many offices are filled with people working for the government right now? Like, how many? If you put them in a, in a building, like, would the building go all the way to the moon?

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       (laughs)

   21. DTDuncan Trussell17:02

       Would it be, like, a high-rise that went... Uh, probably the moon would be covered with government office buildings. But, like, it's j- it's massive. And then it's so huge that, you know, just, people get put into departments. And s- and some of the people that get put into departments are good, smart people, and some of the people that get put in the departments, they suck. And then-

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       Right, like everything in all walks of life.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell17:25

       Yeah. Right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Yes.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell17:26

       That, that's all it takes. So you get one, like... Everybody's had a shitty manager. You get one shitty manager in some job where, like, he's g- he's got a little more power than he's supposed to have, and then he's probably got people around him who are like, "This is a bad idea." And he's like, "Well, you're fired." And then people come in who are like, "This is a really good idea." He's like, "You're a genius if you think this is a good idea, 'cause it is." Then you have this, like, terrible geometry of, like, wh- where contagion happens, where this one asshole s- like, starts getting surrounded by concentric circles of assholes, and then those people have so much power. And, um, and that's, I think, what's going on with it, is it's just, like, there's just too many people running things, and of those people, there's gotta be some that are great, I know there is, and there's some that are just...... abject, monstrous, power hungry, coked up assholes. And I think that's when you start seeing shit like that, it's clearly a sign of... I mean, again, maybe I'm being naive, but I'd like to imagine that that's coming from, like, a few assholes. That's not coming from the totality of the US government, all of it. It's just coming from, like, what? A thousand assholes?

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       But then there's also the real problem of actual misinformation that's being spread by bad parties, right? Like, we know that. We know that there's misinformation that gets spread by bad governments, by, uh, like, our enemies. Like, we know that there's a whole industry-

   27. DTDuncan Trussell19:00

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       ... for, like, these Russian troll farms.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell19:02

       Sure.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:02

       You know, we've talked about this before but... In f- on Facebook, 19 of the top 20 Christian sites were being run by Russian troll farms.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   On earth. Worse than…

   1. DTDuncan Trussell30:00

      earth. It's like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      On earth. Worse than working in an Amazon warehouse.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell30:03

      Yeah, man. Like, a job that if I had that fucking job, I'd probably be, like, talking like that, too.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell30:09

      But just 'cause I'd be blasted on ketamine all the fucking time.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      (laughs)

   7. DTDuncan Trussell30:13

      (laughs) I'd be, like, so high 'cause it's the only way you could cope with it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      How could you even cope with it if you're high? It's ridic... You... If you were a logical person, you'd be like, "We have to disband this position."

   9. DTDuncan Trussell30:23

      Y-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       "This position is ridiculous."

   11. DTDuncan Trussell30:24

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       "It's, it's... It might, we might as well be a king. I'm the king of this land for four years."

   13. DTDuncan Trussell30:30

       Easier.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       "And for four years I'll be a just king."

   15. DTDuncan Trussell30:32

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       "Yeah, I'll be a good king to the land."

   17. DTDuncan Trussell30:35

       It's a-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       It's-

   19. DTDuncan Trussell30:36

       ... brutal crap.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       It fucking c- It works if there's 150 people.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell30:39

       What do they get paid? What does the-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       It's not a good salary for what they get.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell30:43

       It's like, what is it, what is the pres-

   24. NANarrator30:44

       400K, I think.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell30:45

       400K. We're paying our fucking president-

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       That's one Bert Kreischer show.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell30:49

       What the fuck? We should be paying them more. If we were paying them more, maybe more people would be, like, getting the job. Like, they should get, shouldn't they get at least like, what, like, I don't know, a- an A celebrity gets for one movie? Shouldn't they at least-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       (laughs)

   29. DTDuncan Trussell31:05

       ... get that? We're go- we're gonna pay them half a million dollars to, like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       What's even creepier is w- they all wind up being insanely wealthy.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

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   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      we done the best? I don't know."

   2. DTDuncan Trussell45:01

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      "Maybe there's a better option. Why don't you guys take it?"

   4. DTDuncan Trussell45:03

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      (laughs) That's fucking never gonna happen, ever, ever, ever, ever.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell45:07

      No.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      The idea is just to continue to improve upon the systems that we already have. They're not perfect, but they're better than nothing. And if we blow it all up, who the fuck is gonna take... If we blow it all up, it's William Wallace up in this bitch. Okay? If, if you decide-

   8. DTDuncan Trussell45:21

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      ... that this, this government no longer has power over the people, and then a bunch of people start assuming power and saying that they have power, you got a real fucking problem.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell45:29

       I don't think you gotta blow it up. I don't-

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Don't, don't blow it up.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell45:31

       I don't think it's even necessary.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       But that's what I'm saying, it's like that's the only way it's going to change.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell45:36

       I think there's other ways it could change, but, eh, what it would require is, you know, okay, this is-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       But when I, when I say change, I mean, like, a complete restructuring. I don't mean, like, let's make it so the politics don't get bought out by money. I mean a way where people have to be informed about the things that they have opinions on that are super critical.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell45:58

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       So, like, there's a real responsibility for everyone that's involved in all these decision-making aspects of voting to know what the fuck the consequences are for real.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell46:09

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       The problem is when it comes to certain things like climate change, right? You say, "Climate change," say, "You don't, you don't ag- agree with the consensus of climate change?"

   20. DTDuncan Trussell46:17

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       If you don't jump onboard immediately, people o- wanna bark at you, and very f- very few of them have done any research.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell46:26

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       And I'm not saying that climate change is not real. I'm just saying when something's like that where it's like, "This is what it is, and the scientists a-" Uh, almost immediately, I'm like, "Hold on."

   24. DTDuncan Trussell46:39

       Yeah, right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:40

       "Hold on. How, where are you getting this information from, and why do you think it's going to be this insane disaster? Are you sure?"

   26. DTDuncan Trussell46:50

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       "Are you absolutely sure? Or is it possible that this has, this has happened throughout history? That people have always talked about whether it's the Ice Age is coming or whether it's a... There's always been some big fearmongering thing about some climate disaster. It's always happened."

   28. DTDuncan Trussell47:09

       You know what's funny to me about that stuff, is people take themselves out of the climate. So it's like people talk about climate change as though the climate were something external-

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       Right.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell47:19

       ... to the human. Whereas, like, there's an in- an interior climate-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      world, so you're getting in everything catastrophic that happens amongst seven point-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      ... whatever billion people.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:05

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      That's too much data, okay? And you're, you're interacting with people that are nowhere near you primarily.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:14

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      (laughs) Most of your human interactions-

   8. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      ... are coming via cyber world.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:19

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       Which is fucking bizarre to accept. And then on top of that, you're probably having to sit through traffic and you're probably stacked on top of a bunch of people in an apartment building.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:31

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       And you're probably annoyed that there's so many fucking people around you all- it's an unnatural state.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:37

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       For most people.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:39

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       Most people. And it's, it's all rapidly changing while we remain the same, so it's all putting these new demands on us-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:51

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       ... while we remain the same biological entity that existed when the railroad was a big freak out.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:57

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       The trains are gonna kill people. They go too fast.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:01

       Too fast.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       That's what they thought, right?

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:02

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Didn't they think like 35 miles an hour or something like that?

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:05

       35, after 35-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       You're dead.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:06

       ... you're dead fucking meat.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       (farts)

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:07

       People are just gonna keel... It's the same thing we did with 5G.... they were doing that with trains, when they're like, when they-
6. 1:15:00 – 1:18:58

   That's from 2017. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      did, why do they call it the King's Chamber? So, anyway, um, see if you, if you, uh, find the, the King's Chamber, the stones for the King's Chamber were cut from a quarry 500 miles away. Google that. See if that's correct 'cause I think that was one of the big mysteries. Like, how the fuck are they moving this stuff? It's not even that it was, like, right next to it and they slowly rolled it into place. They took it from 500 miles away. "Archeologists uncover the ............................" Yeah, look at that, "The pyramid stones were known to have been transported from over 500 miles away, but archeologists do not agree on how the ancient Egyptians ..." I guess it probably says pulled that off. That's just the headline. How the fuck could they do it? There's a new article on construction.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:47

      That's from 2017.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:48

      Oh.

   4. NANarrator1:15:48

      That's super new, but-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:49

      But all of it is just guessing. The, the bottom line is, those ... there's so many stones. I think the numbers that have ... I had a bid on it. If you cut and placed 10 stones a day, that's 664 years for one pyramid. So, they, they think they pulled them on ropes and pulleys and shit, but, dude, they're, they're cut so perfectly, you can't get a razor blade in between them.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:10

      I mean, that's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:16:11

      It's wild.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:11

      It's ... What's funny is, like, we ... To try to understand stuff, we ... Obviously, we try to use a precedent, like, our own technology. So, we use the height of our technology and then try to think about how they did it. But if we're talking ab- ... I mean, it's possible that we only exist ... Well, we exist in more than one reality. Like, that we're in th- ... We're in time-space right now, but there's aspects of us that are outside of time-space. There's aspects of us that, uh, we call our soul or whatever. It's some hyper-dimensional formation that, like, flowers with each incarnation. Like, when a flower blooms, that's your life, and then it dies-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:16:54

      Yeah.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:54

       ... and another flower blooms. That's your next life, and another flower blooms. So, if that's what's going on, and some civilization figured that out, so that instead of being unconscious about the greater whatever-the-fuck-it-is, the, the hyper-dimensional tree that we're all, like, fruiting on, then God knows what you could do in that point. You could just make the tree grow a pyramid maybe.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:17:19

       (laughs)

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:19

       You know? Like, in the same way it grew you.

   13. NANarrator1:17:21

       (laughs)

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:21

       You know, you could just make it, like, gr- ... like, bring stones from ... Who knows? You know, we think we're so advanced. Like, I'm sure that, uh, however cognizant, uh, a monkey is, like, when it's like, using a tool or showing its friends how to use a tool, or its kids how to, like, break open f- ... a nut, or how to use the stick to get the ants out, I'm sure it's like, (laughs) "We are very advanced." Like, "This is a very advanced thing it's doing." It probably thinks it's, like, advanced if it could think that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:17:53

       Hmm.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:54

       Similarly, we think we're so fucking advanced with our internet and all that stuff. It just might be that, like, we're, we're the same way. We're just putting a stick in a ants nest.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:18:04

       What Jamie just pulled up there is what the pyramid originally looked like.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:07

       That gold capstone.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:18:08

       It had a gold capstone. It was covered ... I think it was in limestone. Is that what it was covered with?

   20. NANarrator1:18:14

       Mm-hmm. Yeah, this ... The r- ... thing I have pulled says, "In 1303 AD, there's an earthquake that loosened up some of it," and I guess that's when they took it all.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:23

       Was it-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:18:23

       And then people started stealing it-

   23. NANarrator1:18:25

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:18:25

       ... and they used it to build stuff.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:26

       Of course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:18:27

       Which is so dumb. Imagine. Imagine they stole pieces of rock from one of the greatest constructions human beings have ever known to build whatever shitty thing they were gonna make.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:39

       Probably a toilet.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:18:39

       (laughs)

   29. NANarrator1:18:40

       (laughs)

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:40

       There was probably someone shitting in the-

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