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Joe Rogan Experience #1891 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, and host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast. http://www.duncantrussell.com/

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  1. 0:00 – 0:41

    Cold open: clown gear, “Thought Police,” and a rough start

    1. JR

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. NA

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)

    3. JR

      (laughs) Hello, Duncan.

    4. DT

      Hello!

    5. JR

      I don't think this is gonna work.

    6. DT

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      (laughs) Oh my God, I can't see. Ugh.

    8. DT

      Oh, fuck.

    9. JR

      I can't, like ... I can't see at all.

    10. DT

      All right.

    11. JR

      I don't know how you're supposed to see out of that.

    12. DT

      It is a deadly outfit.

    13. JR

      I guess I'll just put that on when I wanna say something incriminating.

    14. DT

      Yeah. S- What do you mean?

  2. 0:41 – 3:32

    DHS, Twitter, and the rise of “mis/dis/mal-information” policing

    1. JR

      Well, the Thought Police. So pull up that article, Jamie, at the beginning of this podcast. We should probably go right into this. 'Cause apparently, the Department of Homeland Security (sniffs) and Twitter-

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... were working together. Are we on?

    4. DT

      (sniffs) Yeah.

    5. JR

      I don't hear ... There we go. The Department of Homeland Security was, uh, they, they had a plan to police information and they were working with Twitter in some fashion. Like, look at this. "Quietly broadening its effort to curb speech it considers dangerous."

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      What does that mean?

    8. DT

      I don't know.

    9. JR

      "An investigation by The Intercept has found years of internal DHS memos, emails, and documents obtained via leaks and an ongoing lops and on- ... (clears throat) And an ongoing lawsuit as well as public documents illustrate the expansive effort by the agency to influence the tech platforms."

    10. DT

      Shit.

    11. JR

      "The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public," dun, dun, dun, "came into clearer view earlier this year when DHS announced a new Disinformation Governance Board-"

    12. DT

      Good lord.

    13. JR

      "... a panel designed to police misinformation, false information spread unintentionally; disinformation, false information spread internally."

    14. DT

      Intentionally?

    15. JR

      "And mal- ... Intentionally," excuse me. "And malinformation, factual information shared typically out of context, with harmful intent." Malinformation's a weird one.

    16. DT

      Malinformation?

    17. JR

      Yeah. 'Cause it's factual, but it's shared-

    18. DT

      Oh.

    19. JR

      ... typically out of context.

    20. DT

      Out of context. "With harmful intent." That's where you're like, "Y- look, you don't understand why mowed down those reporters-"

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. DT

      "... with a chopper. It's outta context. You can't just show the video."

    23. JR

      "While the board was widely ridiculed, immediately scaled back, and then shut down within a few months, other initiatives are underway as DHS pivots to monitoring social media now that its original mandate, the War on Terror, has been wound down." So that's been wound down apparently.

    24. DT

      Oh.

    25. JR

      "Platforms have got to get comfortable with government. It's really interesting how hesitant they remain," Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, former DHS official, texted-

    26. DT

      What?

    27. JR

      ... Jen Easterly. L- Look at that. "Platforms have got to get comfortable-"

    28. DT

      Comfortable.

    29. JR

      "... with government." Ugh.

    30. DT

      What does that mean?

  3. 3:32 – 6:01

    Elon buys Twitter: Kimmel’s deleted tweet and the politics of moderation

    1. JR

      Well, what, what, uh, Tim Pool said is that Twitter was working with them. That, uh, they, I guess, like, they weren't being honest about it and they were working with them. What were you telling me? That, uh, that Jimmy Kimmel tweeted something and tried to delete it?

    2. DT

      Yeah, looks like (sniffs) ... I could be wrong about this, but Kimmel was pissed at Musk.

    3. JR

      Why?

    4. DT

      For buying Twitter, but-

    5. JR

      But wh- what does he care?

    6. DT

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      What is he mad about?

    8. DT

      So basically, like, a lot of people seem to be really upset with Elon for buying Twitter because Elon is saying that he's not going to censor Twitter anymore. He's gonna, like, let ... You know, all the banned people are gonna get back on apparently. You know, it's like they're trying to figure it out, how to do it. And so this has upset a lot of people who were happy with the idea that it was being, like, hyper-moderated in a way, I think, that fits in with their politics.

    9. JR

      Yes.

    10. DT

      Right? That was the idea.

    11. JR

      That was the idea.

    12. DT

      So it's like ... So, like, their team was in control for a second and now somebody ... You know what it reminds me of? It's like when a new booker shows up at a comedy club. (laughs)

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. DT

      And all the comics start talking shit. It's, like, scary.

    15. JR

      Uh, "It has been interesting over the years to watch you blossom from the electric car guy into a fully formed piece of shit." Wow.

    16. DT

      And look, see, it says, "This tweet was deleted by the tweet author."

    17. JR

      Learn more. What-

    18. He was, uh, replying to a tweet that Elon tweeted-

    19. Oh, what was the tweet?

    20. ... that Elon deleted, which I think-

    21. Oh.

    22. ... was the thing.

    23. That was the tweet where it's ... This, uh, it's like the Santa Monica Observer or something like that, was tweeting something about the Paul Pelosi attack. And that Santa Monica Observer has been known to tweet things that are- aren't, that aren't correct. Or at least has ... Or not tweet, publish things that aren't correct. At least has in one instance that they were citing. Something about Hillary Clinton. I don't know. But y- you know, he ... I think what Elon tweeted was, "There's a tiny chance that we might not be getting the full story," and then he tweeted that story.

    24. DT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      And th- this is the idea that maybe Paul Pelosi knew this guy. 'Cause people have been trying to pin that guy and say that he was, uh, a right wing MAGA guy. But didn't he live in, like, some fucking hippie collective and he made, like, hemp jewelry?

  4. 6:01 – 8:40

    Paul Pelosi attack discourse and the “Woo to Q” pipeline

    1. DT

      He did Wutu pipeline.... he went Woo to Q. So, like, he-- apparently, he had some kind of, uh, blog or something. I think he started off Woo, super hippie, ayahuasca, mystical, and then gradually kind of devolved into Q. He-

    2. JR

      QAnon.

    3. DT

      ... QAnon. The best analysis I saw of it was a reporter saying that what the real story here is not, like, um, is- is that this- there's people who are psychotic all over San Francisco from doing so much speed, meth, drugs. That's the real story. The real story is that all over, like, the great cities of America, people are, like, high as a fucking kite and have been for so long that they're, like, spinning out of control, and that that's what it is. That's the story of stories is, like, yeah, sure, this guy w- went Woo to Q. Very common. It happens. You start off, you're, like, into, like, taking supplements. That leads to a new supplement you've never heard of. That leads to, like, some weird website you go to. The next thing you know, you're rubbing weird balm all over your body.

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. DT

      (laughs) With a- under a crystal. Still fine, still cool, but somewhere along the way, you- you get on, like, one of these slides that lead you down into Q. And then the next thing you know, you're, like, completely, like, deep in that. So, that's what I've heard. He's Woo to Q, Woo to Q pipeline.

    6. JR

      Oh, interesting.

    7. DT

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      That, I like- I like that term. Is that a- a new term, Woo to Q? I've never heard that before.

    9. DT

      It's been floating around for a little bit. It's just, like, it's just one of the- you know, it's one of the things that happens. It's like-

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DT

      You know Robert Anton Wilson, the great Robert Anton Wilson? His recommendation is maintain agnosticism when it comes to the exploration philosophically of these- of anything really.

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. DT

      But- so when you're contemplating this or that, let yourself believe it, but don't believe it all the way. Maintain agnosticism. You can, like, play around with the idea that the Earth is flat. You can play around with the idea that, uh, the Illuminati elite run the planet. You can play around with any idea you want, in fact, in the great simulator of your brain. But don't go all the way. If you go all the way, that's where you can start, like, spiraling out and-

    14. JR

      Here, "Woo Anon, the creep of QAnon into Southern California's New Age world." Oh, wow.

    15. DT

      Yeah, that's it. Woo to Q.

    16. JR

      Wow.

    17. DT

      Woo to Q pipeline right there.

  5. 8:40 – 12:06

    Brains, cults, and how humans get “hackable”

    1. JR

      Okay, so this is a new thing. You know, the- I think part of the problem with a lot of these theories is that some people, um, n- I'm just gonna try to say this as kindly as possible. They don't have good brains. And I say this as a person who has, like, a decent brain.

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      But I know people with fantastic brains. It's not- there's no- there's no fairness. You know? I met this guy the other night, this poor guy, I don't know what was wrong with him, but he was, like, hunched over and, you know, he was very, very frail and hunched over. And, uh, whether this is, uh, because of a disease or whether this is because, uh, I don't know what was wro- there was- something was wrong with him. And I'm like, "This is not fair. It's not fair." This guy got, uh, just to shit roll the dice.

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      And now he has this body that's failing him. And then you can meet someone like Francis Ngannou, who has this insanely perfect body, like, he's like the super alpha.

    6. DT

      Right.

    7. JR

      UFC heavyweight champion, six foot six, 265 pounds of just pure athleticism.

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      It's not fair. It's not fair. And then that- the same applies to, I think, everything. Like, all sorts of aspects of being a human being. And the same applies to the way your brain works. And if you're a person who unfortunately, for n- no fault of your own, you- you- you have this brain that's, like, not that good.

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      And it can't discern things that are illogical. It can't- it can't make reasonable conclusions.

    12. DT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      It can't look at things objectively. It just can't.

    14. DT

      Right.

    15. JR

      It's like a- like a- a two-gear car. It's like (imitates engine revving) .

    16. DT

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

    17. JR

      And then other people have a Tesla, and that thing can just sort of maneuver around ide- "Oh, I see what's going on here. Oh, this is a conflux of all these-"

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      "... conspiracy theories that all come together." And-

    20. DT

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      This person has unfortunately adopted these wholesale-

    22. DT

      Right.

    23. JR

      ... and hasn't looked into them at all-

    24. DT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... and now thinks there's lizard people that are shape-changers, that are behind closed doors, that are running the world-

    26. DT

      Yes.

    27. JR

      ... and that are trying to collapse all the societies. (sniffs) You know, there's- there's a real benefit to letting the- the fucking culture figure out what's right and what's wrong. But along the way, people are gonna get tricked, they're gonna get duped.

    28. DT

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      And some people are gonna fall into the hands of very manipulative people that are very charismatic.

    30. DT

      Yeah.

  6. 12:06 – 16:51

    Hypnosis, political tribes, and the internet as an “emperor has no clothes” engine

    1. JR

      Have you ever been hypnotized?

    2. DT

      Yeah, I got hypnotized. My mom hypnotized me and a wart came off my hand.... isn't that weird? She s-

    3. JR

      Whoa.

    4. DT

      She was, like, studying psychology. She hypnotized me. I had this wart on this finger, and then over the next few days, it just kinda, like, fell off.

    5. JR

      Hypnosis is real, man.

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      It really does work. Um, but what it is, is not what everybody thinks it is. I think, uh, before... Well, n- I should just correct that. It, w- it's not what I thought it was. I thought, like, you don't know what's going on and you go into, like, some sort of a, a trance and the person can get you to do anything. "Give me your ATM code."

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      But, but what it really is, is, like, it puts you in a state of mind where you're very aware that you're in this state of mind. And I've been thinking about it a lot and I've been thinking about, like, the cult thing a lot, and just the, the, the c- the cult of joining one party or another party too. You know, like, deciding you're a conservative or deciding-

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... you're a progressive. I think it's a part of the design of the human animal that got us to cooperate in tribes. I think in order for things to work and function, you have to have a very strong inclination that there's one leader.

    12. DT

      Right.

    13. JR

      And, uh, and then, you know, you have to have resistance to that to find the better next leader.

    14. DT

      Right.

    15. JR

      And so that's w- where people get angry at this one person that's running the whole thing. But I think that when you scale that out to, like, 300 million people, it just doesn't work.

    16. DT

      How could it?

    17. JR

      It doesn't work. It's chaos.

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      We, we, we didn't design it for that.

    20. DT

      Right.

    21. JR

      We d-... Or, or whatever designed us, I should say, didn't design us for that. Designed us for, like, tribes of 150 people. I think what the internet is, is the great connector, and the internet is connecting reality with this animal that desires to have a singular leader-

    22. DT

      Right.

    23. JR

      ... because it wants someone to protect the tribe. But then the internet is, like, spitting and pissing and shitting all over that. It's like an antidote to it.

    24. DT

      Right.

    25. JR

      Like the, the, like, Twitter's, Twitter's fact-checking the president of the United States' incorrect facts.

    26. DT

      Right.

    27. JR

      Which is crazy that that's happening.

    28. DT

      Well, this is, "The emperor wears no clothes."

    29. JR

      Yes.

    30. DT

      That's the fable, right?

  7. 16:51 – 22:20

    Bad managers at scale: government bloat, troll farms, and real misinformation

    1. DT

      Well, it's massive. I mean, we're talking about... How many offices are filled with people working for the government right now? Like, how many? If you put them in a, in a building, like, would the building go all the way to the moon?

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DT

      Would it be, like, a high-rise that went... Uh, probably the moon would be covered with government office buildings. But, like, it's j- it's massive. And then it's so huge that, you know, just, people get put into departments. And s- and some of the people that get put into departments are good, smart people, and some of the people that get put in the departments, they suck. And then-

    4. JR

      Right, like everything in all walks of life.

    5. DT

      Yeah. Right?

    6. JR

      Yes.

    7. DT

      That, that's all it takes. So you get one, like... Everybody's had a shitty manager. You get one shitty manager in some job where, like, he's g- he's got a little more power than he's supposed to have, and then he's probably got people around him who are like, "This is a bad idea." And he's like, "Well, you're fired." And then people come in who are like, "This is a really good idea." He's like, "You're a genius if you think this is a good idea, 'cause it is." Then you have this, like, terrible geometry of, like, wh- where contagion happens, where this one asshole s- like, starts getting surrounded by concentric circles of assholes, and then those people have so much power. And, um, and that's, I think, what's going on with it, is it's just, like, there's just too many people running things, and of those people, there's gotta be some that are great, I know there is, and there's some that are just...... abject, monstrous, power hungry, coked up assholes. And I think that's when you start seeing shit like that, it's clearly a sign of... I mean, again, maybe I'm being naive, but I'd like to imagine that that's coming from, like, a few assholes. That's not coming from the totality of the US government, all of it. It's just coming from, like, what? A thousand assholes?

    8. JR

      But then there's also the real problem of actual misinformation that's being spread by bad parties, right? Like, we know that. We know that there's misinformation that gets spread by bad governments, by, uh, like, our enemies. Like, we know that there's a whole industry-

    9. DT

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      ... for, like, these Russian troll farms.

    11. DT

      Sure.

    12. JR

      You know, we've talked about this before but... In f- on Facebook, 19 of the top 20 Christian sites were being run by Russian troll farms.

    13. DT

      Oh, yeah. I remember you saying that. That's-

    14. JR

      You know how nuts that is?

    15. DT

      ... fucked up.

    16. JR

      That means they're, like... They're... Like, some conversations that are insane, that don't make any sense, like, how is this, how is this a conversation? Well, it might not be. It might be-

    17. DT

      Right.

    18. JR

      ... we're getting manipulated. It might be there's a bunch of pe- And then, the problem with people, we were talking about before, that we have this natural inclination to follow leaders. We do that online too, man.

    19. DT

      Sure.

    20. JR

      And if there's, like, some really good tweets that point in a certain direction, people will start agreeing with it.

    21. DT

      Right.

    22. JR

      People are easily... The idea that manipulation only applies to, like, verbal or, or, or written in a statement. No, it fucking applies to tweets too. You can manipulate people with stuff.

    23. DT

      Dude, I get manipulated all the fucking time.

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. DT

      Are you kidding me? I'm, like, always getting caught up in bullshit online. I'm, I'm... I, like, go through, like, phases of like, "Yeah. Oh, my God."

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. DT

      I, I, I... Pendulum between teams or I'll get caught up in some, like, deep, crazy conspiracy. I... Like, I get... Like, I... It's a very potent... By the way, I'm not saying it's potent because I get manipulated easily but, uh, it's a potent drug.

    28. JR

      Yes. It is.

    29. DT

      The internet's a gr- a potent drug. There's all kinds of operators. It's not just Russian troll farms. It's Discordians. It's just basic, like, trolls who are bored. It's who knows what? Probably some cult we'll never know about. Just some weird cult on an island somewhere with some nefarious purpose that's, like, trying to put some certain information on the internet. It's a ocean of madness and maybe, like, uh, the, the, the, the, uh, horrible idea is, "Okay. We can control the ocean of madness. That's what we're gonna do because some of these people are, are tr- are, are o-other states trying to cause discord in our society that could lead to a civil war or the collapse of the United States. We've gotta do something about this. Call up Twitter. Listen, it's a problem. You gotta let us tell you what's real and what's not real." And at first, maybe that's great. It's like, "Look, this is 100% coming from Russian trolls. This, this, whatever this is, this is Russian AI trolls." But then, all of a sudden, the president calls that department. He's like, "Hey, is there any way that you could also start applying that to, uh, people who say that I seem like I'm kinda out of it?" You know what I mean? (laughs) And then... (laughs) It's like-

    30. JR

      (laughs) But it's not even him. He's not call, making that call.

  8. 22:20 – 30:39

    Press secretary as defense attorney: Biden gaffes and “top of mind” spin

    1. JR

      If you, if you're a person... If you're... (laughs) Like, if you, if you're that poor lady who's the White House press secretary-

    2. DT

      Worst job on Earth. (laughs)

    3. JR

      (laughs) It's the fucking worst job.

    4. DT

      Worst job.

    5. JR

      It's the worst job! You get all the hate of the president and none of the power.

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And fucking everybody hates you.

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And-

    10. DT

      You're a, you're, like, a punching bag. You just have to absorb that-

    11. JR

      Yes.

    12. DT

      ... every day.

    13. JR

      And you're under, like, extreme stress. You're a n- a person... Like, no one knows who you are. All of a sudden you have to speak publicly-

    14. DT

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... for the country. That is such an insane role.

    16. DT

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      And, and to be young, like this lady who's doing it now. Like, how old is she? 30 something?

    18. DT

      I don't know. Young.

    19. JR

      She's so young.

    20. DT

      Young.

    21. JR

      To, to, to p- to be in a position like that where you have a, like, a notebook in front of you and you have to, like, (laughs) answer, answer these complex questions of, "What the fuck is going on in Yemen?"

    22. DT

      Right.

    23. JR

      Like, "What is go- why are we giving so much money to Ukraine? What are..." And the, "But, well, well, the president feels... The, the, the president..." You're, you're fucking talking for the whole country.

    24. DT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      That's such a crazy role.

    26. DT

      You have to, like, go into a meeting and they tell you what you're probably-

    27. JR

      Oh, she's 48. She looks great. Goddamn. I always thought she was, like, 33.

    28. NA

      I had no idea.

    29. JR

      She's healthy as fuck.

    30. DT

      Healthy, healthy press secretary.

  9. 30:39 – 47:09

    Presidential pay, speech money, and the corporate influence pipeline

    1. DT

      What do they get paid? What does the-

    2. JR

      It's not a good salary for what they get.

    3. DT

      It's like, what is it, what is the pres-

    4. NA

      400K, I think.

    5. DT

      400K. We're paying our fucking president-

    6. JR

      That's one Bert Kreischer show.

    7. DT

      What the fuck? We should be paying them more. If we were paying them more, maybe more people would be, like, getting the job. Like, they should get, shouldn't they get at least like, what, like, I don't know, a- an A celebrity gets for one movie? Shouldn't they at least-

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. DT

      ... get that? We're go- we're gonna pay them half a million dollars to, like-

    10. JR

      What's even creepier is w- they all wind up being insanely wealthy.

    11. DT

      I wonder how that happens.

    12. JR

      It's, it's really interesting. What happens is they give speeches. So they give speeches to these, uh, people that helped them get into position of-

    13. DT

      What do you mean?

    14. JR

      ... being a president. So, like, say if there's a large corporation.

    15. DT

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And the large corporation, they donate a lot of money towards campaigns and they also, "Oink, oink, we'd love to hear you talk some day."

    17. DT

      Wait, you're not saying the corporations that give hundreds of millions d- to of dollars for the president to come give this speech, are actually secretly bribing them, are you jo-

    18. JR

      Well that doesn't even make sense.

    19. DT

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      No one would think that.

    21. DT

      Why would you do that?

    22. JR

      I would just think it's a really, um, fortuitous pipeline to insane wealth to become a president and then give speeches.

    23. DT

      Well, I, listen, if I was running a big corporation, you better believe I'd love to have a president come and give a five-minute speech. (laughs)

    24. JR

      A friend of mine saw Hilla- Hillary Clinton speak once. And he s-

    25. DT

      What did she say?

    26. JR

      He said it was really weird. It's like you're just watching someone get paid.

    27. DT

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      You know, you're just watching some boring-ass speech. I remember when Giuliani, Giuliani came to California, and, uh, some people I know went to see that too, and it was the same sort of thing. They were like, "This is weird." This was, like, right after 9/11. And it's like, wow, you're just he- you're just here seeing a guy, like, get paid. They're just saying a bunch of things and they're, they're like, "Okay, another 10 more minutes and then I'm gonna get outta here." And I'm, what am I doing? Like, what do, what are those speeches? Ima- im- imagine a speech that's worth a half a million dollars. Imagine you're gonna bring a president in-

    29. DT

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... and he's gonna give a speech to all your CEOs and all these folks and it's gonna be worth, in value to you, a half a million dollars.

  10. 47:09 – 59:46

    Calming the “inner climate”: Jung, reactivity, and ending self-stabbing loops

    1. DT

      You know what's funny to me about that stuff, is people take themselves out of the climate. So it's like people talk about climate change as though the climate were something external-

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. DT

      ... to the human. Whereas, like, there's an in- an interior climate-

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. DT

      ... like a s- a subconscious climate, a, a semiconscious climate that, like, is the sum total of the interior lives of everyone on the planet. And that gets left out 'cause we can't quantify-

    6. JR

      That is a climate. It's a climate of fear.

    7. DT

      It's a-

    8. JR

      It's a climate of compassion.

    9. DT

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DT

      What- yeah, whatever it could be.

    12. JR

      Whatever it is.

    13. DT

      But it's, and there's storms.

    14. JR

      Yup.

    15. DT

      There's storms-

    16. JR

      (sighs)

    17. DT

      ... hurricanes that rip through that.

    18. JR

      Yeah, civil war.

    19. DT

      Civil war or just riots or, or-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DT

      ... war. And, and-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. DT

      ... so whenever you're seeing a war happen, you are looking at, like, a, a sort of subjective, internal, yet collective societal hurricane happening-

    24. JR

      Hmm.

    25. DT

      ... and destroying stuff, but it's doing it via, like, the human system, the human biome. And we... So, to me, uh, I think that, that the f- there isn't a quick fix to this. But, uh, Carl Jung, Carl Jung, you know who Carl Jung is? He's like Freud's-

    26. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    27. DT

      ... p- okay. Carl Jung... I'm, I'm sure a million people have already said this on your podcast. His idea was that leaders are a projection of the collective unconscious. So whatever the world leader is that you're looking at, you're actually looking at a, a physical representation of the internal, subjective lives of the collective. Right? So when you see, like, a, uh, Biden, you're seeing the shadow of society. When you're seeing a Trump, it's our shadow. That's what you're looking at. Like, this is where, uh...... where the inner, uh, connectivity, interdependence comes up. It's like we're all connected. Whoever the person is that ends up being the mouthpiece for all of us, we all have a tiny little thread of quantum energy injected into that thing and we're kind of looking at ourselves. Part of ourselves we might not want to admit is there. So, the idea would be, if you can find in your own little internal climate a way to cool it down, cool it down. Stop heating up so much. Get peace.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. DT

      Stop... I remember a long time ago, man, you talked to me about this. About, like, it was really, it stuck with me for the longest time because I was more turbulent back then, but it's this idea of, like, maintaining an even keel. You know what I mean? Find a way to be stable consistently every day in your own life and stability will appear naturally around you, right? But if you are prone to reactivity, anger, freak outs, whatever it is, uh, mania, whatever the thing is, then the people around you, they're always kind of worried, like, "What version of this dude am I getting today? Am I gonna get the happy version or am I gonna get the freaked out version? Am I gonna get the angry version? I'm gonna get the cool version." And if it's really extreme the way your behavior is warping and shifting, you could only expect chaos around you, because people get nervous around instability, right? So, the... Then if that was... If all of us were reactive, like if suddenly a wave of reactivity swept through the whole planet and people started thinking it was normal to, like, pendulum between moods and to react to the moods and, like, "This is me!" Or, "What the fuck?!" Or extremes, then you would expect the representation of all of us to be kind of fucked up. And so the idea is, if we could all kind of calm down a little bit, find some peace, find a way to, like, be actually calm, not repressed. Like, you know, when you're freaking out on mushrooms and you try to pretend you're not.

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  11. 59:46 – 1:06:38

    Modern overload and surveillance fears: 5G as radar and reality-in-the-pocket

    1. JR

      But the thing is like what, uh, you know, there's too many variables. I don't think we have a mind that's designed for the variables that exist in modern society. There's too many variables because you're getting news from the entire world, so you're getting in everything catastrophic that happens amongst seven point-

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... whatever billion people.

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      That's too much data, okay? And you're, you're interacting with people that are nowhere near you primarily.

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      (laughs) Most of your human interactions-

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... are coming via cyber world.

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Which is fucking bizarre to accept. And then on top of that, you're probably having to sit through traffic and you're probably stacked on top of a bunch of people in an apartment building.

    12. DT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      And you're probably annoyed that there's so many fucking people around you all- it's an unnatural state.

    14. DT

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      For most people.

    16. DT

      Right.

    17. JR

      Most people. And it's, it's all rapidly changing while we remain the same, so it's all putting these new demands on us-

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... while we remain the same biological entity that existed when the railroad was a big freak out.

    20. DT

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      The trains are gonna kill people. They go too fast.

    22. DT

      Too fast.

    23. JR

      That's what they thought, right?

    24. DT

      Yeah, yeah.

    25. JR

      Didn't they think like 35 miles an hour or something like that?

    26. DT

      35, after 35-

    27. JR

      You're dead.

    28. DT

      ... you're dead fucking meat.

    29. JR

      (farts)

    30. DT

      People are just gonna keel... It's the same thing we did with 5G.... they were doing that with trains, when they're like, when they-

  12. 1:06:38 – 1:12:18

    UFOs: drones vs unknowns, Fravor’s tic-tac, and tech as a new sense organ

    1. DT

      The best ever. We've got that wonderful interview he did. I don't remember who, what show he was on, where they asked him about UFOs, and he, like, really did a kind of micro pause or something, like UF-

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. DT

      ... in the UFO boards, it always pu- pops up every once in a while. It's like this weird moment where he's like, "I, I can't talk about that," but it's like, on his face-

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. DT

      ... you kinda see this, like, thing, that if you're into UFOs, you're like, "Oh, fuck." He's, like, bummed that he can't talk about it, but he knows something.

    6. JR

      I'm sure they know something. I don't know how much the president gets to know. Uh, y- 'cause the problem is a guy like Trump. Like, what would keep him from blabbing? (laughs) ... if, if they told him ... I mean, he was on a show once and they asked him about UFOs too, and he said something about he, he knows some things, but he can't talk about them.

    7. DT

      Yeah. There's a lot of things-

    8. JR

      But just that saying that-

    9. DT

      ... that he can't talk about.

    10. JR

      ... is y- that means they're real. If you say you know some things and you t- can't talk about them, you're essentially saying they're real.

    11. DT

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Because if it's like, "It's all nonsense," wouldn't you tell the people it's all nonsense? Tell us it's nonsense, sir. Make me sleep well at night.

    13. DT

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      You're the president. (laughs)

    15. DT

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      But if you say, "There's some things I know and I can't talk about them."

    17. DT

      I mean, we're post that.

    18. JR

      I think that's, I think that's basically what he said.

    19. DT

      But we're p- I- aren't we post thinking UFOs are fake now? Like, I, like now if you-

    20. JR

      No.

    21. DT

      ... if you believe UFOs are bullshit, you're in a minority now, because you're talking about the US government has been doing, like, uh, hearings where they are saying, "Yeah, some of this stuff we don't know, but we've picked it up," so it's ... the phenomena is real. It's no longer just swamp gas. Like-

    22. JR

      The question is, how many of them are drones? How many of them are super sophisticated drones from other countries? How many of them are drones that we have that are top secret, just like the Blackbird and Stealth Bomber and all these different-

    23. DT

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... things they've worked on? How many of those are top secret drones? And then is there anything that's not? Like that tic-tac one that Commander David Fravor found off the coast of San Diego-

    25. DT

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... in 2004. That's the craziest one, 'cause there's multiple jets watched this thing. They got it on radar. They got a ... they got visual. They got a video of it taking off at an insane rate of speed. They don't know what the fuck that thing was. No visible heat signature.

    27. DT

      Right.

    28. JR

      Moving at, at speeds that are impossible to describe how fast it is. Going from 50,000 feet to 50 in a second.

    29. DT

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      'Cause that's how, like ... they said it just a- it just appeared there, you know? 'Cause a, I think a radar blip, is it a second? Uh, how long is a ra-

  13. 1:12:18 – 1:28:35

    Ancient mysteries: pyramids, lost high civilization, and catastrophe resets

    1. JR

      You know, when you discuss ancient civilizations and you look at the, the Great Pyramids of Egypt and all the structures of Egypt, they're so magnificent that you have to wonder, like, what was that society like? What was that culture like when those things were up and running? What was that like, man?

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      'Cause I am ... I'm, I mean, I'm absolutely not an archeologist or a historian, but when I look at those structures and someone says that those things are 5,000 years old and you think about how l- long ago that was, like, how fucking smart were those people?

    4. DT

      Very smart.

    5. JR

      What ... how ... what ... how did they know all that? How did they do it? What was it like living amongst them? What the fuck, man? The Great Pyramid of Giza is, like, 2,300,000 stones.

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      They're monstrous. They're so ...... the, the way it's engineered is so beyond imagination, that 5,000 years ago, people could ... But, obviously, they did. So, what were they like, man? And what happened? What is ... I think it's the Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson idea.

    8. DT

      Yeah, for sure.

    9. JR

      I think that we had r- ... Human beings had reached a veer- very high level of sophistication, and we got fucking flat-lined again by comet impacts.

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      That's the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, and it makes a fuck load of sense when you s- see things like the pyramids, when you see thing ... Like, the ... All these old structures, especially ones they can't really date that well. Like, that's the dirty secret about that carbon dating stuff. You gotta date carbon. You're not gonna date rocks, right? So, you have to find, like, organic material in between-

    12. DT

      Right.

    13. JR

      ... the rocks, stuff that's around the rocks.

    14. DT

      Right.

    15. JR

      You just don't really know when everybody cut it. You just make a really good assessment-

    16. DT

      Sure.

    17. JR

      ... based on the carbon-based data, you know. But the thing is, like, you can't ... You don't know when they cut that. When did they move that?

    18. DT

      Right.

    19. JR

      When did ... How many thousands of years did it take to set up the civilization? Where the fuck did it come from?

    20. DT

      Right.

    21. JR

      How did they get these stones that were many tons from a quarry that was 500 miles away? How did they do that? Like, I think that's the story of some of the stones in the King's Chamber. They figure ... See if that's ... this is correct. I think they figured out that some of the stones in the King's Chamber were from 500 miles away.

    22. DT

      The King's Chamber is the one that looks like a factory or something. Like, it's weird. Like the one that's, like, in th- ... the ins- ... What is the chamber?

    23. JR

      The King's Chamber, they c- ... I don't know why they call it the King's Chamber. Um, I think it might have to do with just the size of the stones and-

    24. DT

      That-

    25. JR

      ... the magnificence of it.

    26. DT

      Yeah, whatever the fuck that was.

    27. JR

      I don't know. Why did, why do they call it the King's Chamber? So, anyway, um, see if you, if you, uh, find the, the King's Chamber, the stones for the King's Chamber were cut from a quarry 500 miles away. Google that. See if that's correct 'cause I think that was one of the big mysteries. Like, how the fuck are they moving this stuff? It's not even that it was, like, right next to it and they slowly rolled it into place. They took it from 500 miles away. "Archeologists uncover the ............................" Yeah, look at that, "The pyramid stones were known to have been transported from over 500 miles away, but archeologists do not agree on how the ancient Egyptians ..." I guess it probably says pulled that off. That's just the headline. How the fuck could they do it? There's a new article on construction.

    28. DT

      That's from 2017.

    29. JR

      Oh.

    30. NA

      That's super new, but-

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