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(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- NANarrator
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) And we're up, Steve-o. What's happening my brother?
- STSteve-O
Yeah, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see ya.
- STSteve-O
Good to see you too, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's crackin'?
- STSteve-O
It's been, it's been a long time. Remember-
- JRJoe Rogan
Every time I see you I'm just happy you're in one piece.
- STSteve-O
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Just happy all, everything's working.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I can't believe it, that all the people that have gotten fucked up doing the things that you do, you're out there fucking moving around like normal.
- STSteve-O
Right, I'm thriving.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- STSteve-O
Um, and, and it hasn't been so. I mean, I see you at the fights all the time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, all the time.
- STSteve-O
Yeah. Man, it's crazy the, uh, I- I- I just got so hooked on that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's, uh, the most exciting live experience you could ever encounter.
- STSteve-O
For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
I really believe that.
- STSteve-O
And dude, how about this last card?
- JRJoe Rogan
Woo.
- STSteve-O
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It, I think it was one of the most first round knockouts ever.
- STSteve-O
Seven.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Or first round stoppages. It was, uh, it was a wild card, man. Wild card.
- STSteve-O
Yeah. Um, I- I was on an airplane at the time that it was happening a- and, you know, a lot of the time I'm- I'm on stage doing, doing my show when the fights are happening, and in those situations, like, I- I will move my Instagram app off the f- the, like, front screen of my phone.
- JRJoe Rogan
So you can't see?
- STSteve-O
Yeah, because I'll just inadvertently, like-
- 15:00 – 30:00
Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
and trained with those guys for a while, but he had some sort of an issue, a medical issue, and had to pull out of his fight in France. They were supposed to, he was supposed to have his UFC debut, and now, like, I think he said he was in some sort of a dispute with Glory because they're kind of upset that he's leaving Glory and going over to the UFC. And I hope he gets over there because that's another guy that, like, all those dudes at 170 that like to strike, like, good fucking luck. Good luck with that guy.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause he's a motherfucker.
- STSteve-O
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And he's a motherfucker against strikers. Like, when you get a world champion striker who enters into MMA, all fights start on the feet, man. They all start in an advantageous position. It's like if you were fighting a grappler and all fights started on the ground. Like, every fight started with that dude on top of you.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
That'd be terrifying. Right? Well, that's what it is. Like, all fights start standing up.
- STSteve-O
Well, with kickboxing, like, uh, I mean, I- I'm not really familiar with where to even watch kickboxing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Glory, um, you got to go to the g- Glory has, uh, most of their shows are on the web, and you could go to, uh, I think it's, uh, Fight... I think it's F-I-T-E.com is, uh, where, or it's g- it's glorykickboxing.com. There's a link to it, and you can stream it, and what I usually do is I, I get it on my phone, and then I use the Apple app, and I stream it-
- STSteve-O
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to my television through Apple TV.
- STSteve-O
Right. Does that mean that there's not, like, a ton of money for kickboxing? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
There's not as much money in kickboxing, no. Glory is the biggest organization for kickboxing in the world, and they put on phenomenal fights, and I'm a, I'm a giant fan of the organization. But it's weird to me that boxing got so popular in the United States and around the world and MMA got so popular in the United States and around the world, but kickboxing never really caught on here.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It doesn't make any sense because it's so exciting. When you watch guys that are, like, high lev- like Cedric Doumbé or Alex Pereira or Vakhitov, these fucking world-class kickboxers are so exciting. It's not like a bad product. The product-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is sensational.
- STSteve-O
What, um, we, we see people dying in boxing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- STSteve-O
And, and we don't see people dying in MMA.
- JRJoe Rogan
Knock on wood.
- STSteve-O
Right. Um, I have a theory about that, that, like, that, that it's about the gloves, because, like, if you take football, back in the day when they had, uh, like, just the little leather helmet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- STSteve-O
Like, back then, like, people wou- wouldn't hit their head so much because they had, like, a little fucking leather helmet on, so, like, there w- But then now in, in modern football, you've got this, this crazy helmet that, that lets you, uh, bash your head around with seeming impunity.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- STSteve-O
And because of that, people are hitting their head so much more, and as a result, they've got all this CTE going on. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's a real theory shared by other people as well.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- STSteve-O
So yeah, with boxing, the, these humongous gloves, it's like, oh, you can, you know, throw your, your fists around with impunity, but, but then...... that, that, that's why I think-
- 30:00 – 45:00
You said spiral? Yeah.…
- JRJoe Rogan
if you don't tap, you get a spiral fracture.
- STSteve-O
You said spiral? Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a horrible fracture. If you watch, uh, Frank Mir versus Minotauro Nogueira. Now, Minotauro Nogueira is a legend. I mean, he's one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time, is the heavyweight champion at Pride. He was a fucking monster. And Frank Mir snapped his arm and it's... I don't even wanna watch it again, man. It's horrible to watch. But he goes for a guillotine-And Frank gets on top of him. So, here it is, like Frank's on the bottom here.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Frank reverses him. Frank gets on top and Frank gets him in a Kimura. And when he gets him in a Kimura, he, he breaks his arm and the snap, I remember hearing the snap. It was so horrific. See, he's got it now. He's got it now, and now he's going to step over, and now he's in side control and now he steps over with the leg. Now watch when he steps over with that right leg. Watch this.
- NANarrator
He needs a submission. No, he might have it.
- STSteve-O
Oh, look out, he's in a side control. (crowd cheering) Oh, look at this. Unbelievable.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now watch this, right here. Snap.
- STSteve-O
He's got Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Frank is so big and so strong that your, your arm has no chance. Your ha- your arm a- And Frank has broken two different world champions' arms inside the octagon. He broke, uh, Tim Sylvia's arm with a, um, an armbar and then he bow, broke Minotauro's arm. And when you, when that arm breaks like that, man, I just, I don't think you're ever the same again. Snap. See that? That's it right there.
- STSteve-O
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
So what happens is, all the pressure is on this bone, and so it's like this, going that way. And this bone, from just the angle, it just snaps and you get all the... Like, he's got a giant plate and they have to piece your arm back together like a jigsaw puzzle and screw it all in place. And even then, like, you've, you're always gonna have this bar in your arm and it's probably, there's probably nerve damage and tissue damage, and it's probably never gonna be the same.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck that. Tap, just tap. Please tap.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
The other time was, uh, Khabib, when he had Michael Johnson. I was like, "Please tap. Please tap. Please tap."
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then Islam Makhachev, he had Dan Hooker. Again, I'm going, "Please tap. Please tap." You got to tap. Like, live to fight another day. There's times when you got to tap, and the, the Kimura's a big one. When the guys gets the leg over your face and he's just got that angle and he's cranking it, like, "Oh, Jesus, just tap. Just tap."
- STSteve-O
I, I got another, um, MMA question. Um, li- uh, live odds. At the beginning of, of, uh, round two, round three-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- STSteve-O
... the, like, they, they show the, the odds before the fight.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- STSteve-O
Like, like, DC told me he thought that that could be a good alternative to open scoring, if they just showed the, the live odds at the... I think as a fan, I would love to know like how the odds are. Did, did uniform always have what the, the live odds are going into each new round?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not bad. I mean, it, it definitely encourages gambling, which I support. I just, uh, I think gambling's fun. You know, I, I support gambling like I support drinking. I, I get that some people can't drink.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I get that some people can't gamble. I do get, I've, look, I've known a lot of people that were addicted to gambling.
- STSteve-O
(coughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's a, a crazy addiction, because... Did you ever see that, um, Adam Sandler movie?
- STSteve-O
Yes, The Uncut Gems.
- JRJoe Rogan
Amazing.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Well, it depends on…
- STSteve-O
steroids like that and TRT?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it depends on how much TRT you take, right?
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if you're taking normal doses of TRT, then you're just like a normal man.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're just on, the idea is that as you age and you take TRT, your body repairs itself and functions well and your immune system functions well, like it did when you were younger.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it works if you don't abuse it. But if you're a crazy person and you say, "Well, instead of this amount, I'm gonna take double."
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"And I'm gonna take, instead of taking it twice a week, I'm gonna take it three times a week. Double, three times a week." That's a lot and people definitely do that, and if you get addicts and you give-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you, like if an addict, you don't have to go to a clinic to get the shot. You get, you have the shot yourself. You just, "I'm gonna fucking keep shooting up," and then you go to multiple doctors. Like if they don't have a database on whether or not you're on testosterone from this doctor-
- STSteve-O
Oh, so they-
- JRJoe Rogan
... and also from that doctor. Like, I knew a dude with a pill problem and it, what he used to do is he would go to multiple doctors-
- STSteve-O
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and get opiates, and he was fucked up all the time and he was mad that these doctors gave it to him. I'm like, "Bitch, you didn't tell them that you were going to... Take it on yourself, man."
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Like you fucking did it to yourself. I know it sucks and I know like you probably didn't know it was that hard to kick or that addictive," but he fucking purposely went to multiple different doc-... Like he used to live in Texas and then he moved to California and he was getting it from both doctors.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So he was taking a lot, and they'll... Listen, for a long time, they'll just keep prescribing it to you. I think they're probably a little more sensitive to that now. Walmart just got hit today. They, uh, they got a $3 billion settlement today they had to give out because of their contribution to the opioid crisis.
- STSteve-O
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Make sure that's right.
- STSteve-O
Was that part of like the, this-
- JRJoe Rogan
So try, yeah, Walmart agrees to give-
- STSteve-O
... Sackler?
- JRJoe Rogan
... $3.1 billion to opioid settlement framework. Well, it's, that's a tiny fucking piece of how much they earned, which is really disturbing. If you find out the, the Sackler family-
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... how much they actually made from-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... lying about the addictive properties of it. I mean-
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
Yeah, th- th- that's…
- JRJoe Rogan
to not feel pain?
- STSteve-O
Yeah, th- th- that's a...
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, no idea you're injured? Is that real? Like, what, all pain? Or is it just, like, most pain?
- STSteve-O
I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, broken bones? You don't know you're broken?
- STSteve-O
I, I, I think there are people who don't feel pain, period.
- JRJoe Rogan
That'd be great in your line of work.
- STSteve-O
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Congenital insensitivity to pain and, uh, anhidrosis is a very rare and extremely dangerous condition. People with it cannot feel pain. Pain-sensing nerves in these patients are not properly connected in parts of the brain that receive the pain messages. Wow.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa, that's crazy. That's, that sucks. Yeah, pain's important, man.
- STSteve-O
Yeah, it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why it's, fights are crazy because you don't really feel much while you're fighting. And then after the fight, you're like, "Oh my God," everything hurts. Your fucking shins-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and your elbows and your knuckles and-
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... everything.... yeah, not feeling pain is not good. It's like not feeling sadness. Like, you-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you need to feel loss in order... Like, you need highs and lows. Like, uh, you, it's part of being a person.
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, the stuff that sucks is it's all supposed to be there-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to kind of get you on the right path, the path to not-
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... do that thing that made you feel bad-
- STSteve-O
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and not do that thing that made you hurt. Like, don't do that, buddy.
- STSteve-O
Right. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- STSteve-O
Yeah. I saw, um... I remember see- seeing you, uh, r- react to, like, some- some of these crazy kids that are, like, climbing on skyscrapers and-
- 1:15:00 – 1:18:05
Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
said he was, like, a 92-year-old boxer, and he's fucking these dudes up. And then I found out he was younger than me; he was actually only 53.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I was like, "Oh, well, he's in terrible shape."
- NANarrator
That time is pretty fast, though.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- NANarrator
I was just looking at the New York m- city marathon qualifying times, and for a 40-to-40-year-old, you have to be under four hours, and this is a half an hour faster than that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, no, that's a legit time.
- NANarrator
That's fast.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, a really good marathon runner, three hours is the goal, right? They want to get under three hours. That guy's f- fucking hoofing it at 50 years old, and he's smoking cigs the whole way. Look at him. (laughs)
- STSteve-O
(laughs)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- STSteve-O
Whoo.
- NANarrator
Yeah, man. Fuck-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's better than being obese.
- STSteve-O
Fuck cigarettes, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, fuck all that stuff. But look at him, healthy as fuck. You know, in Thailand, uh, a lot of the Thai fighters smoke cigarettes. A lot of the, uh, Thai boxers, they smoke and they drink and then they fight.
- STSteve-O
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's crazy.
- STSteve-O
(clears throat) Yeah, super crazy. So, dude, I wa- I wa- I gotta tell you about, about, uh, how I wrote about you in my, my new book.
- JRJoe Rogan
You did?
- STSteve-O
Yeah, I did. Like, uh, just as an example, where I was talking about how I got into stand-up, and there, uh, w- certain people w- w- were not, like, particularly supportive. (laughs) You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- STSteve-O
There's like a... L- I- I made an example about how I went on M- Marc Maron's podcast to, uh, promote my first special, and, and there I was, and, and, and, and he says, "You know, I gotta admit, like, I'm kind of a purist when it comes to stand-up, and, uh, when I saw that you were doing stand-up, I didn't like it." You know? Like, uh, and, and I remember thinking kind of like, like, "Why is he saying this?" And he's like-
- JRJoe Rogan
You said the same thing to me.
- STSteve-O
Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
... when I first started doing stand-up.
- STSteve-O
Right, like, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck off. Like, stand-up is an art form. Anyone can-
- STSteve-O
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... do an art form.
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