Joe Rogan Experience #1902 - Danny Brown

Danny Brown is a rapper, singer, songwriter, and host of "The Danny Brown Show" podcast. His latest album "Quaranta" will be available soon. www.xdannyxbrownx.com

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Jun 27, 20242h 10mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 1:58
Success on your own terms vs. chasing hit songs
1. JRJoe Rogan
  (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
2. NANarrator
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays)
4. DBDanny Brown
  And, but then you thinking like that, that's, like-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the curse of being successful, though. Right? Like, people lean on you.
6. DBDanny Brown
  I'm successful, but on my own terms.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. But that's still successful.
8. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah. But-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You're on your own terms is great.
10. DBDanny Brown
  Because, see, my shit was the music industry and the music industry is one of those type of situations where you can be as creative as you want to be, but does that make you money? You know? So, you have this whole fucking, like, angel and devil on your shoulder, like, "Make a hit song." Or-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Hm.
12. DBDanny Brown
  ... "Be creative as you wanna be."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
14. DBDanny Brown
  You know what I'm saying?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Do what you wanna do or do what you think is gonna sell.
16. DBDanny Brown
  In my whole entire career, I just did what I wanted to do.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. DBDanny Brown
  And, but at this point, after 10 years, I sit back sometimes and I think about, like, "Damn, did I make a mistake?" Because, you know, it's still a lot of people in my family that struggle. It's like, "Fuck." You know?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Well-
20. DBDanny Brown
  But if I just didn't care about being Danny Brown and being so cool and trying to make the most experimental music I could possibly make, fucking just don't give a fuck. Make that fucking hit song.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  But isn't that you though?
22. DBDanny Brown
  But I can do it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  You could do both.
24. DBDanny Brown
  That's the whole thing of what makes you a great artist. See, like a person like Jay-Z. He does both.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Both. Does both, yeah.
26. DBDanny Brown
  I don't know if I can do both because it's such a drastic, it's such a drastic change of, from what I love as underground music-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. DBDanny Brown
  ... and what is commercially considered to be pop music. It's such a drastic, it's such a fucking ... You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I do.
30. DBDanny Brown
  ... if I can ever make ... It's like, would Patrice O'Neal (laughs) would he have ever been a fucking, like ... You get what I'm saying? Commercial, like, stand up com-
1:58 – 3:55
Patrice O’Neal as a north star (and the ‘men have periods’ bit)
1. DBDanny Brown
  That's the one person that I look up to.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  He was amazing.
3. DBDanny Brown
  So, I look up to him so much and-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, it would, it would... He had... Everybody would have forced it through. Like, even if he couldn't get on the television show, even if nothing ever happened for him like that, we would've all had him on podcasts.
5. DBDanny Brown
  'Cause even with my rap career and just how I look at, like, making music, I look at him as like a super inspiration. Like, it was, um, my last album, um, which was called You Know What I'm Sayin'? Which was actually, um, from Tom and Christina 'cause they had this bit.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
7. DBDanny Brown
  But they would have this bit where they had niggas, and you know niggas be, "You know what I'm saying?" You know.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
9. DBDanny Brown
  Even me, I say, "You know what I'm saying?" like, a lot. Like a... But before that, the name of the album was The Patrice O'Neal Theory.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
11. DBDanny Brown
  Because Patrice O'Neal, he had this theory where he'd talk about, like, men has periods.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
13. DBDanny Brown
  But we don't necessarily have periods. We just wanna fuck another bitch.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
15. DBDanny Brown
  So, every time you mad at your girl, like, "Uh." And she's like all on you and she's like, "Uh." You're like, "Uh." You're like, "Uh." My, my woman is beautiful. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, being... But you're like, "Bitch." You still gotta... 'Cause you just want another taste of something.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. DBDanny Brown
  You get what I'm saying? (laughs) And when you get that, like, like it's to the point where you, if you've been so, faithful for so long, you're like, "I'll fuck a homeless bitch on the corner."
18. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
19. DBDanny Brown
  You get what I'm saying? But if I did that, it's gonna make me love you so much more. Like, I won't have this attitude with you, this whole attitude I got with you. You think, "Why you like, why you so mad? Why you acting like this?" Uh. 'Cause I need some new pussy. And that's all that is. But I do-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  The Patrice O'Neal Theory.
21. DBDanny Brown
  That's the Patrice O'Neal theory.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) He had a lot of great theories.
23. DBDanny Brown
  But I would say, listen. I'm gonna say this 'cause I love my girl at home. I know she probably listening to this. I love you, baby. (blows kiss) (laughs)
24. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
25. DBDanny Brown
  But no. I'm out of that. I don't, I don't have that. Uh, my dick don't get hard at, at, like that no more. I'm 40 years old.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
27. DBDanny Brown
  It's like, come on. This motherfucker has been burnt out. They've been hitting this motherfucker. Bitch been speed bagging this dick. I've been getting-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah.
29. DBDanny Brown
  This dick been getting speed bagged for the last 10 years. So, yeah.
3:55 – 7:31
How Danny fell into podcasts (UFC video game → JRE → YMH)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  When, when did you decide to do this podcast at your doing with Your Moms House 'cause it's hilarious?
2. DBDanny Brown
  Uh, no. The, the thing was is that, um... Oh, you know Uncle Joey. Like, it started with, um, I will-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  He started like you on him doing a podcast stuff?
4. DBDanny Brown
  No. You want me to bring it? 'Cause it, 'cause, 'cause it, it goes back into me just being a rapper and just me being on some rap shit and I was on tour. I was on tour for a long part of time and being on tour, you get bored. And I'm a gamer, so I buy a lot of video games. And guess what? I bought UFC. Before the good UFCs. This is a-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
6. DBDanny Brown
  ... a whatever UFC video game. So, I'm playing that and you were the fucking, um, announcer on it.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
8. DBDanny Brown
  So, I'm playing that and, you know, and you're an announcer now. I'm on tour. And then I guess, I don't know, some type of way I was watching UFC or some shit, and then I seen you on there. And it was like, "Oh. This the nigga from the video game."
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. DBDanny Brown
  Is this not hilarious to you? Like, this is how I got up on this whole shit. So, I'm like, "This the nigga from the video game! Joe Rogan!" So, then I started listening to Joe Rogan shit and then from seeing Joe Rogan shit, I seen Uncle Joey on there. Then I see Uncle Ro- Uncle Joey on there, and I seen that, and then just started going through the fucking, um, the rabbit hole of y'all shit. Like, even the shit of fucking, uh, fucking Red Band dumbass always talking about fucking Olive Garden and shit like that.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
12. DBDanny Brown
  Like, like, the fucking, like-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Olive Garden of buttholes.
14. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah. Like the Justin TV day. Like, I, I, I've ... So, so, I've been, like, I w- I will credit you to fucking up my fucking music career in some sense.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
16. DBDanny Brown
  I will say that because it got to the point where all I did was, all I ever did in my life was listen to music. Like, it did... I was one of those people where I would like, um, be like, "Man, people don't really listen to music. They just listen to music in their cars or when they got,"
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. DBDanny Brown
  "function." Let's say, like, I'm the type of person-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Not just sit down listening.
20. DBDanny Brown
  ... that listen to music 24/7s a day. Whatever new, uh.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
22. DBDanny Brown
  But then I started getting into podcasts and, and listening to your shit and doing that and all that, and all that. So, um, just being into podcasts and then listening to y'all shit. You know, fucking with Uncle Joey and all that shit. And then I got into, um, Why I Made Shit, listening to they shit. And then, uh-You know, just, Tom hit me up, like, "Come through." But when Tom hit me up, he didn't know how much of a fan boy I was of this shit.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
24. DBDanny Brown
  So when I came through, I was hitting him with all this shit, you know, all the fucking why me shit, like, you know, straight real mommy shit. You get what I'm saying? Like-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Genes.
26. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah. So the genes ...
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
28. DBDanny Brown
  So that's what happened. The genes, the whole ... The fan base of the whole shit fucked with me. They knew I was, like, real in this shit. So they embraced me with that shit. So Tom will always hit me up and talk about it. He be like, "Man ..." Because me and Tom would, like, FaceTime and, like, talk to each other and go through some real friend shit. It ain't had nothing to do with no business or nothing else. And Tom always be like, "Man, you should do a podcast. I'm telling you, you would be good at doing podcasts."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm glad he told you that.
30. DBDanny Brown
  And this and that. And ... But my whole shit with, with him, and I was like, "Man, no." Being good at podcasts is good, but the actual production of it what makes podcasts good. Because I can set up a fucking camera and a fucking microphone in my bedroom and start talking shit in front of the camera. But is that going to be good?
7:31 – 9:35
Podcast production: authenticity vs. over-produced ‘media’ vibes
1. DBDanny Brown
  It can't be fucking ... But see, this is the, the double-edged sword with that with me, because what I loved about podcasting was, like, I was almost like a fly on the wall, like, in seeing, like, friends just hanging out, drinking, and talking shit.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. DBDanny Brown
  And now when you watch podcasts, and it's so fucking over-produced. I heard that these niggas is writing scripts now.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
5. DBDanny Brown
  I swear I heard some shit like that-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
7. DBDanny Brown
  ... where they said these niggas got scripts and they looking at them on a teleprompter.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  You know what I-
9. DBDanny Brown
  And they sitting there doing podcasts. They doing scripted podcasts. Podcasts are supposed to be like you just a fly on the wall sitting there in the room with a couple friends, and you hearing them talking shit, and you like, "That's why we love fucking Rogan so much." You get what I'm saying? Like-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
11. DBDanny Brown
  In the beginning stages ... Now, this some real shit now. Nah. This is ... You get what I'm saying?
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. DBDanny Brown
  But in the beginning stages of shit, like, no, we're a fly on the wall. But the point of that, that has turned to what media is in real life now, is, is it makes so much sense when you got ... Fucking, we went through reality TV-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
15. DBDanny Brown
  ... so much, and now motherfuckers that play video games watch other motherfuckers that play video games.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. DBDanny Brown
  (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  For fun. You get what I'm saying?
19. DBDanny Brown
  Danny, I had a bit a long time ago about a cameraman from a reality TV show getting his own reality TV show. So the, the reality TV show was about a cameraman following around a cameraman-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  That's really good.
21. DBDanny Brown
  ... on a reality TV show. And then I go, "But then people are going to go, 'Well, what about the cameraman behind the cameraman?'" And then they're going to do a cameraman show on that. I would love to see ... Me, in my fucked up brain, I would love to see that show, but it'd have to be, like, the niggas that shoot porn though.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
23. DBDanny Brown
  I want to know about the porn, the porn cameramen's life.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Porn cameramen?
25. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. That'd be a good podcast.
27. DBDanny Brown
  'Cause he a little creepy too. He a little creepy.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
29. DBDanny Brown
  How you get that job? You just looking for it? 'Cause I feel like cameraman is such a vast ... You, nigga, you shooting for the NBA or y- uh, or you shooting for the motherfucking anal, um, (laughs) projections?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Right.
9:35 – 10:50
Learning in the YouTube era: audio engineering, tools, and perspectives
1. DBDanny Brown
  I mean, no. At the end of the day, um, what I will say that's good about the cameraman shit is that, just like everything else, with DJing, everything with, that comes with internet, everything ... Or even, like, production equipment, all that shit has become so easy to use now.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. DBDanny Brown
  Where back in the day, it wasn't really like ... I couldn't go on YouTube and s- find an instruction manual to how to use an MPC.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, Jamey's a audio engineer, like a real audio engineer, who went to school for it.
5. NANarrator
  Yeah, I had to go to school. There was no YouTube for it. And then, like, the year I graduated, YouTube got invented, and then I had to start all over.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) So you had to learn all this shit on YouTube at that point.
7. DBDanny Brown
  So, so yeah. How, how much of, uh, what you learned in school is still valid?
8. NANarrator
  Uh, it's hard to say, 'cause a lot of ... There's even ... Some of the com- the computer programs, they don't edit for you, but they handle a lot of the shit that's ... that was difficult.
9. DBDanny Brown
  Oh, yeah?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
11. DBDanny Brown
  You wanna hear the fucked-up part that I think about, is that it, it, it's better in a sense, is because you get a lot of different point of views. Like, if-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. DBDanny Brown
  ... if I'm a nigga that, I'm trying to learn some shit on YouTube, it's a l- ... And it's a topic that has, has a lot of different people that's talking about it, I'm taking-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. DBDanny Brown
  ... the best parts of, or whatever identifies with me, I'm like, "Oh, I'm figuring that shit out. Uh. And do it at, like, that," instead of just learning from one person.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. With everything. Yeah.
10:50 – 14:55
Muay Thai ambitions, pad-holding misery, and the shiny shorts incident
1. DBDanny Brown
  'Cause even ... Oh, you know, I just started ... I, I, I, I've joined a Muay Thai gym.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah?
3. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah, man.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Where at?
5. DBDanny Brown
  I suck. Um, shouts out to all my boys at, um, fucking Ogar Muay Thai. Shout out to my boy Spencer, my boy Dave, all them motherfuckers.
6. NANarrator
  Nice.
7. DBDanny Brown
  Chantel, Autumn. Yeah, no. I suck. I actually suck though.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  That's okay.
9. DBDanny Brown
  I'm, I'm not-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Everybody sucks in the beginning.
11. DBDanny Brown
  No. Um, I, I'm, I'm chilling out right now. I'm not ... I'll probably go back in a few months.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah?
13. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  But you were doing it?
15. DBDanny Brown
  No, I've, I've, um, I've went, uh, three, three, four months hard.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah?
17. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  It's good for you, man. It's great to get tension out too.
19. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah, but it's one of those things-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Hit those pads. Pow, pow, pow.
21. DBDanny Brown
  ... you know ... Yeah. But I didn't know that part though, 'cause I was doing privates.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. DBDanny Brown
  And that was fun, you know, learning shit.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Private's are good. Then you get a coach.
25. DBDanny Brown
  Then I was like, "You know what? Let me go to real class," and started going to real class.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Out sparring with people and shit?
27. DBDanny Brown
  No. Pad holding.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
29. DBDanny Brown
  My nigga.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14:55 – 37:32
Martial arts humility vs. Texas gun reality
1. DBDanny Brown
  No, I get it, because even one time we had a conversation, it was like, "Man, you gotta know how to protect yourself." And this, and I'm like, "Nigga, I'm fort... If I hit a nigga, I'm gonna get sued."
2. JRJoe Rogan
  True.
3. DBDanny Brown
  And part two, "If a nigga hit me, I'm gonna shoot this nigga."
4. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
5. DBDanny Brown
  Like guns, y'all forget that guns exist and we live in Texas. I don't give a fuck about how many elbows you throw.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Good point.
7. DBDanny Brown
  There's niggas with big-ass guns.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Big-ass guns.
9. DBDanny Brown
  Especially in the climate, the, the, the situation that I live in, it's not like... You get what I'm saying? Like-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
11. DBDanny Brown
  Bro, so me doing Muay Thai or having to... That was, that was literally... I'm 40 years old. I'm not about to fucking fight nobody.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  I would never think that you would, but-
13. DBDanny Brown
  But I will, listen-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I think everybody should learn at least some-
15. DBDanny Brown
  No.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... understanding of martial arts.
17. DBDanny Brown
  Let me tell you this.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Be good for everybody.
19. DBDanny Brown
  One thing it did for me, I don't wanna talk, I hate this, 'cause I'm
20. NANarrator
  What are you gonna say?
21. DBDanny Brown
  But what, I had to say it 'cause I will forget. That's my fucked up brain. I know podcasters be, "Oh, you don't talk about the motherfucking..." You know, but I'm sorry. But if I don't say it, I'll forget it. But, um, it humbled the fuck out of me because I'm the type of motherfucker, I talk shit.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
23. DBDanny Brown
  Like, I get drunk, like, "Nigga, nigga, what's up, nigga? What the fuck, nigga?"
24. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
25. DBDanny Brown
  You know what I'm saying? "Nigga, what? Nigga." I seen people, nigga, nurses, women five foot three.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
27. DBDanny Brown
  140 pounds, kicking a bag. You looking like, "Nigga."
28. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
29. DBDanny Brown
  What if this... If she hit me with one of these, it's a wrap. You get what I'm saying?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
37:32 – 39:49
Europe, knives, and 3D-printed ‘ghost guns’ (plus a bathroom break)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you believe that a well-armed society is a polite society?
2. DBDanny Brown
  No.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  No, not at all?
4. DBDanny Brown
  No. Because just me being able to travel and, like, going to, like, Europe and shit like that where guns aren't a thing, and I see how well-behaved people act because of that simple notion. Like right now, like what I talked about, like, going to Muay Thai, how much that humbled me in being that ... But at the end of the day, I should never having that feeling anyway.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
6. DBDanny Brown
  Because-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  No one should have that feeling.
8. DBDanny Brown
  But only reason why I have that feeling because I know guns exist. And I ha- You know, if I have a gun on me you can't say sh- I don't give a fuck how muscle you got, I'll shoot you, bitch. Shut the fuck up.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
10. DBDanny Brown
  But now in, over those countries it's all about brute strength.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
12. DBDanny Brown
  It's knives and ... You know what I'm saying?
13. JRJoe Rogan
  It's the knives thing is fucking terrifying.
14. DBDanny Brown
  You gotta be rich to have a gun. (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. DBDanny Brown
  And we over here, we got motherfucking niggas over here making 3D printeds.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. DBDanny Brown
  I can get a 3D printer heater right now.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  They're making ghost guns.
20. DBDanny Brown
  Shoots same way.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. But makes sense they can 3D print everything now. They, like, they make fake Rolexes.
22. DBDanny Brown
  But the guns is different.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  They make fake Rolexes-
24. DBDanny Brown
  That's still fake.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that are exactly the same as a Rolex.
26. DBDanny Brown
  That's still fake.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  But you know what I'm saying? Like, they do that.
28. DBDanny Brown
  Actually-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  There's like a whole market.
30. DBDanny Brown
  Actually-
39:49 – 46:00
Early mornings, stress, and comedy curiosity sparked by comedians
1. DBDanny Brown
  No, that's all it was. I've been drinking ... No, 'cause I've been on this, um ... I wake up at, like, 5:00 AM now.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah? 5:00 AM?
3. DBDanny Brown
  No, but I'm an early sleeper. Yeah, I'm an early sleeper anyway. So it's not like ... What happened was, you know how motherfuckers talk about that on some workout shit and be like, "Uh." I'm just actually one of those guys that do that. So then, like, I'm like, "Man, maybe I should take advantage of that shit."
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, why not?
5. DBDanny Brown
  So now, like, I, I wake up at, like, 5:00. I'm like ... 'Cause, yeah, so I do. I wake up at 5:00, 'cause I never was, like, a workout person. And, but now I can get so much shit done before my girl even work up.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
7. DBDanny Brown
  Like, 10 ... When 10:00 AM come it's like, "Oh, my eye, bitch." You don't even know. (laughs) I'm dead, dude. I gotta watch the dogs and shit and go to sleep and shit. But, yeah, so, so now I've been just taking advantage of being able to wake up that early with no ... But I think that's come from stress type shit.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. DBDanny Brown
  To be honest.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Where you just don't feel good sleeping.
11. DBDanny Brown
  Um, just working on music.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  You miss tension.
13. DBDanny Brown
  I think, 'cause he ... Oh, I was just talking about ... Actually, you know who was just here? Fucking Hannibal. Hannibal was fucking here. Um, I was doing my fucking, um, show. I wish I would've fucking knew he was here. Then he just showed up at the ... And I was like, "Man, you might as well come over here with us." But he had to, um, leave. But, uh, oh, fuck I ... Oh, fuck out what I was gonna say. (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
15. DBDanny Brown
  But, no, Hannibal. No, um-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  We were talking about-
17. DBDanny Brown
  Oh, no. Oh, I was just telling him that I feel like when, you know, y'all as comedians and shit, y'all make specials. It's, like, instant gratification in that sense because y'all could do good ... Y'all, I mean, I know y'all worked on a special for years and years, but then y'all actually do it in front of a live audience. Even though the audience know it's a special. I mean, it is what it is, you know? Y'all do the specials.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Have you thought about doing specials? I know you're doing a little standup.
19. DBDanny Brown
  No, I'm not.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Not at all? At Kill Tony?
21. DBDanny Brown
  No, now, I mean, I go in there and I have fun and shit, but-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  But didn't you stan- didn't you s- do, like, a minute on Kill Tony?
23. DBDanny Brown
  No.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  You never did?
25. DBDanny Brown
  I never did nothing but, um ...
26. JRJoe Rogan
  You only just sat as a guest?
27. DBDanny Brown
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay. I'm, I'm on.
29. DBDanny Brown
  But now I'm starting to take it serious because all y'all motherfuckers keep telling me I'm funny.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  I know what it is, it's Tony. Tony was telling me that he's trying to get you to do it, right?
46:00 – 48:39
Rap career baggage: late recognition, bitterness, and fame as a trap
1. DBDanny Brown
  My rap career, I would say, what made that bad is that I, I started a little too old. So I didn't really get recognition or, you know, 'til I was 30 years old. And you gotta think, I've been trying to do this my entire 20s, so when I started to be a rapper and get recognition for it and being that, I c- I had a bitter attitude towards it.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
3. DBDanny Brown
  You get what I'm saying? 'Cause it took-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. DBDanny Brown
  ... so long for it to happen. And then-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  That s- that happens to a lot of people.
7. DBDanny Brown
  And then now I'm, I'm 30 years old, as a 30-year-old rapper, it's like how, the, the, it's like a ticking time bomb at that point, like, how much time you got.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
9. DBDanny Brown
  So I'm already in my head. Like, I will say, uh, a lot of people say, like, being a rapper is dangerous, like, you know, 'cause all the killings and shit like, but I would say being a rapper is dangerous in a sense because once you do it, you can't do nothing else. It ruins you.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  How so?
11. DBDanny Brown
  So let's just say, okay, let's just say I, I was a rapper and then it failed, and then I gotta go get a normal job.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, if anything fails then-
13. DBDanny Brown
  But I had minimal success. You saw my video somewhere, I had a couple views.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. DBDanny Brown
  And now I'm working at a job with you. Now you like, "Oh, you blah, blah. Uh, yeah." So that, and then everywhere you go somebody, "Uh, you was a..."
16. JRJoe Rogan
  That's true for your acting too.
17. DBDanny Brown
  So you're always recognized-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's true for your acting too.
19. DBDanny Brown
  So you're always getting acknowledged for your failures.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's true of anybody in the public eye now.
21. DBDanny Brown
  Every time someone... So just imagine, every time someone recognizes you, they're acknowledging your failure. That hurts. It hurts.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Of course it does. But th- that's what happens in all walks of life. Anytime when you fail and people get to shit on you-
23. DBDanny Brown
  How, if you, if you work fries at, if you work-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and if you're public, if you're a public person-
25. DBDanny Brown
  ... fries at McDonald's, no one cares. (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Don't you remember Gary Coleman?
27. DBDanny Brown
  Nigga, Arnold-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Gary Coleman from Differnt Strokes.
29. DBDanny Brown
  Arnold?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he started working as a security guard and people would just shit on him relentlessly. I'm like, imagine that, 'cause if he was just a security guard, no one would care. You would never walk up to a security guard and go, "Look at this fucking loser."
48:39 – 1:08:03
Labels, budgets, and the business side: Nas, Q-Tip, Warp, and delays
1. DBDanny Brown
  I think about that and, uh, and I love that too, because you gotta think, the last album I put out was 2019.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you were saying that, that-
3. DBDanny Brown
  And I was, um-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, you still, you're touring infrequently.
5. DBDanny Brown
  No, I worked on a album with Q-Tip, from, you know, just to be able to work with Q-Tip-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
7. DBDanny Brown
  Was such a fucking big deal to me.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  For sure.
9. DBDanny Brown
  And, you know, it, it, it gave me confidence in my music.... to be in the fact that, uh, A Tribe Called Quest was my dad's favorite rap group. I remember-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
11. DBDanny Brown
  ... going ... My dad taking me to fucking preschool, ki- ... I mean, um, preschool. It wasn't that early, but whatever.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Whatever it was.
13. DBDanny Brown
  But elementary school, my dad taking me to school and he listening to A Tribe Called Quest. And before I know it, one day I'm sitting in the studio with Q-Tip every day, working on an album. So it was fucking ... It, it was a big deal. You know what I'm saying? It was a big deal for me. And, you know, we made that album and ... I just think, um, the world of music have changed so much, where like, um, a 10-second TikTok beat means way more than you putting out a single.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Hm.
15. DBDanny Brown
  You understand what I'm saying?
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
17. DBDanny Brown
  Like that whole shit changed. So the way I grew up ... The way I grew up, like me, my favorite rapper is Nas. And Nas just put out a new album, and that album is fucking amazing. And you know why that album is amazing? It's because Nas is having fucking fun and Nas able to make music without any fucking ... And you gotta think-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, Nas is really rich. Like he's got a bunch of different businesses.
19. DBDanny Brown
  It wasn't always like that though.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  No, but I'm saying, like, right now, if he's doing rap right now, it's 'cause he wants to do it for fun.
21. DBDanny Brown
  Yes, but it wasn't always like that.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Of course.
23. DBDanny Brown
  He had the whole situation of what he went through-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
25. DBDanny Brown
  ... with his divorces and all. But I'm saying-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was all public.
27. DBDanny Brown
  Yes. It was-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  He's the, the best lyricist ever, in my opinion. He's ... His fucking shit is so complicated, the way he does things back ... What's that one song where he does backwards?
29. DBDanny Brown
  Rewind.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  The rewind. That's a brilliant song.