Joe Rogan Experience #1903 - Kurt Metzger

1. 0:00 – 1:12

   Elon Musk on JRE, weed legality, and NASA clearance fallout

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      (instrumental music plays) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Let's go.

   4. KMKurt Metzger0:15

      Boy, you, you're going deep, fella.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I mean, that's why Elon Musk is a success.

   6. KMKurt Metzger0:20

      Why?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      'Cause he smoked weed on this show.

   8. KMKurt Metzger0:22

      I don't think that's true. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      (laughs)

   10. KMKurt Metzger0:27

       (laughs) That's what I...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       (laughs)

   12. KMKurt Metzger0:27

       (laughs) That's like when high school kids, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       That guy's got a lot of money, and I saw him smoke weed on this show.

   14. KMKurt Metzger0:30

       That's what happened, bro.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       (laughs)

   16. KMKurt Metzger0:32

       (laughs)

   17. NANarrator0:32

       (laughs)

   18. KMKurt Metzger0:32

       That was the root of it. I almost got him fucking f- like, removed from NASA top clearance inadvertently.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       I- That's crazy, dude, that you would have to... Well, it's crazy how, yeah-

   20. KMKurt Metzger0:43

       Meanwhile, we were drinking whiskey for like two hours before we hit that-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       I know.

   22. KMKurt Metzger0:47

       ... blunt.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       That's wild how slow that aspect, 'cause weed's so legal in so many places-

   24. KMKurt Metzger0:51

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       ... you forget that it's not legal still.

   26. KMKurt Metzger0:53

       Well, it was legal in California. That's what he asked me. He goes, "It is legal?" I go, "Yeah, it's legal here."

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Yeah, but it's not... There's, there's California law, and then-

   28. KMKurt Metzger1:01

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... there's, uh-

   30. KMKurt Metzger1:02

       State law.
2. 1:12 – 1:52

   Schedule I vs Schedule II: cocaine, medicine, and absurd drug scheduling

   1. KMKurt Metzger1:12

      See, 'cause it's, marijuana's still very... Unfortunately, it's still federally Schedule I.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:17

      Yeah.

   3. KMKurt Metzger1:17

      Which means it has no medical benefits, which is hilarious because I'm pretty sure cocaine is Schedule II 'cause cocaine has medical benefits.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:26

      'Cause of the throat, r-right? Like, Elvis would get it for his throat-

   5. KMKurt Metzger1:29

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:29

      ... on cotton swabs.

   7. KMKurt Metzger1:30

      Is that what you're saying? The colonel?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:31

      No, well, that... I mean, officially, that's why they would give it to him. I was watching-

   9. KMKurt Metzger1:34

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       ... like, his entourage, like the guys from his entourage.

   11. KMKurt Metzger1:37

       "We need to get Elvis some cocaine for his throat."

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       It was like this medical grade, the kind Robert Evans got busted trying to get, the pure like-

   13. KMKurt Metzger1:44

       Oh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       ... liquid, liquid (laughs) cocaine, and they would just dip these cotton swabs in it, and you stuck 'em, and they would just sit there and be ripped for hours, he said, on liquid. It was for his, uh, throat.

3. 1:52 – 3:31

   Nose surgery, lidocaine weirdness, and growing up a mouth-breather

   1. KMKurt Metzger1:52

      Well, if, it would numb it, 'cause they had... Like, I had lidocaine on my nose-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      Yeah, right.

   3. KMKurt Metzger1:58

      ... which is like a cousin of cocaine, I guess, and one of the things that I thought was really interesting about it, it fucking killed my appetite. Like, I tried to go to-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      Yeah, right.

   5. KMKurt Metzger2:05

      ... dinner afterwards, I was like, "God, I don't wanna eat anything." I know-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      Yeah.

   7. KMKurt Metzger2:09

      ... I'm hungry. I had this delicious steak in front of me, and I couldn't eat it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      Oh, yeah, right.

   9. KMKurt Metzger2:13

      'Cause the lidocaine, like it was still in my throat. I could taste it. It was like, ugh, ch- ugh.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Is that like a similar... What's that movie?

   11. KMKurt Metzger2:20

       It numbs everything. But it doesn't get you high, but it does get you feeling weird. You don't-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       Yeah.

   13. KMKurt Metzger2:25

       You don't feel like... You're not in any way like high, you know, but you al- you are like, ugh, like weirded out. I think he gave me like a heavy dose too, because he had to clean out my nose, and you know-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       How did he apply it?

   15. KMKurt Metzger2:36

       ... fix my septum. Um, I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember what, 'cause they put me under. I don't remember if it was injections. I don't remember what happened.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Mm-hmm.

   17. KMKurt Metzger2:46

       'Cause I had to go out for that, 'cause it's, it was pretty serious. I went fucking to get in there and ah! (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       (laughs)

   19. KMKurt Metzger2:52

       Shave down-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       What's the, what's-

   21. KMKurt Metzger2:52

       ... your turbinates.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Oh, that's... I didn't even know that's what was going on.

   23. KMKurt Metzger2:55

       Yeah, there's like these bumps in the middle, my nose was fucked. And so-

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       From getting hit or just...

   25. KMKurt Metzger2:59

       Oh, I, well, from everything. I fell down a flight of stairs when I was five years old, so I remem-

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Really?

   27. KMKurt Metzger3:03

       ... yeah, there's a little photo of me with a black eye when I was five. I remember I just slipped and fell down a cement flight of stairs-

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Jesus Christ.

   29. KMKurt Metzger3:10

       ... in my backyard when I was five, smashed my nose, and so I think from then on I never had a good nose (laughs) .

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       (laughs)
4. 3:31 – 5:11

   Broken noses in fighting and comedy: Cobb, Artie Lange, and comic friendships

   1. KMKurt Metzger3:31

      Well, a lot of guys start out with huge nostril capacity, but if you get hit there enough-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:36

      Yeah.

   3. KMKurt Metzger3:36

      ... a lot of, uh, wrestlers and, uh, very much boxers, boxers, they get their nose smashed. MMA fighters get their nose smashed.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      Yeah, right.

   5. KMKurt Metzger3:44

      They all have stuffed up noses.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      Remember Randall Tex Cobb?

   7. KMKurt Metzger3:47

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      He looked like somebody just spread-

   9. KMKurt Metzger3:49

      Oh my God.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       ... his nose with like butter onto his... (laughs)

   11. KMKurt Metzger3:52

       Meanwhile, Artie Lange probably has the most impressive broken nose I've ever seen.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Yeah, well-

   13. KMKurt Metzger3:56

       Like Artie's is collapsed, you know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       Yeah, that's a crazy story. I just talked to him not that long ago.

   15. KMKurt Metzger4:01

       He's the best.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       (laughs) I love that dude so much. (laughs)

   17. KMKurt Metzger4:04

       I love him so much. He's such a good... He's just, like when you're around him, you just wanna hug him.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Yeah, dude.

   19. KMKurt Metzger4:09

       He's just such a good... He's always been that way too.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       He used to do a-

   21. KMKurt Metzger4:11

       I've known that guy for 20 plus years.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Yeah, he's a w- one of f- if you... Uh, we used to do, me and Shrad's old podcast, Raise Wars, and he'd give me a ride back to Washington Heights, and it was like the funniest... He's like the funniest dude to hang out with-

   23. KMKurt Metzger4:24

       Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       ... that I ever met, yeah.

   25. KMKurt Metzger4:25

       Ah, his fucking stories, they're so good, and even when he sobered up, they were just as good if not better.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       (laughs)

   27. KMKurt Metzger4:30

       Like I did his, uh... I did a podcast with him. We used the, the Skank Studio-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Right.

   29. KMKurt Metzger4:36

       ... Legion and Skank Studio. Thanks to them for that 'cause it was pretty awesome of them to let me borrow their studio. So we did, uh, Artie in there, and Artie was like stone cold sober for like over a year.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       (laughs)
5. 5:11 – 10:46

   Insomniac, drinking culture, and why sober people can’t stand drunk rooms

   1. KMKurt Metzger5:11

      You know who else got really better after they got sober is Attell.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:14

      Yeah.

   3. KMKurt Metzger5:14

      Attell was always amazing. He was always-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:16

      Yeah.

   5. KMKurt Metzger5:16

      ... a great, great comic, but-

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:17

      Yeah.

   7. KMKurt Metzger5:17

      ... being healthier because like he has more energy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      He just stopped. I remember that.

   9. KMKurt Metzger5:22

      Just stopped.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       When he stopped drinking, like really? That was like a whole...

   11. KMKurt Metzger5:25

       Yeah. Well, I think he, you know, you get captured by a thing that you're known for too, 'cause remember Insomniac?

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Right.

   13. KMKurt Metzger5:31

       He would get hammered in every town. It was a fucking great show.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Oh, he told me, it, it was like impossible to do without people throwing like ice cubes at the-

   15. KMKurt Metzger5:37

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       (laughs) ... at the production. Like-

   17. KMKurt Metzger5:40

       Did you ever see it? You ever watch it?

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       Yeah, I loved... I mean, I loved it when it came out, and, uh, I didn't... But I didn't know about how production, like the logistics of a show revolving around being drunk out at night-

   19. KMKurt Metzger5:50

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       ... how, what a nightmare that must be.

   21. KMKurt Metzger5:52

       Every fucking bar you go to is just filled with-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       Oh my God.

   23. KMKurt Metzger5:54

       ... hammered people.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       You have to be drunk to do it-

   25. KMKurt Metzger5:56

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:56

       ... because if you're sober dealing with that, it's like being waterboarded-

   27. KMKurt Metzger6:00

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       ... having this conversation. Like I'll say anything to make this end.

   29. NANarrator6:03

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       (laughs)
6. 10:46 – 12:38

   Joe’s OxyContin history: prescriptions, ‘breakthrough pain,’ and the opioid marketing machine

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:46

      Yeah. Uh, uh, and there's no ... There's ... And especially, like, friends of mine that had, you know ... I was hooked on OxyContin. Now, I didn't get tricked by-

   2. KMKurt Metzger10:53

      How did you get hooked on it?

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:55

      I knew it was heroin when I did it. (laughs)

   4. KMKurt Metzger10:57

      So you did it for fun?

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:58

      I had, uh, a legit prescription at one point from ... hurt my back. And then, uh-

   6. KMKurt Metzger11:03

      Ah, the old hurt my back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:05

      Yeah, and I had, like, a Percocet, right? Which still has, uh, I guess the Tylenol in it. And then they were just around, like, I could get my hands on them, the blue ones.

   8. KMKurt Metzger11:14

      Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:15

      So I started taking those. So I wasn't one of the people that they said, "It's not addictive," to.

   10. KMKurt Metzger11:19

       You knew?

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       Yeah. I, by that time, everybody knew it was a drug. So I, I, I don't blame it on, like, the Sackler family tricked me. But they did ... You remember breakthrough pain?

   12. KMKurt Metzger11:28

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       So, (laughs) so that ... I guess that's you have a tolerance to heroin and you-

   14. KMKurt Metzger11:33

       (laughs) It's called breakthrough pain.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       Yeah. They call it, like, "Ooh, the pain somehow broke through." (laughs)

   16. KMKurt Metzger11:37

       You just need a higher and higher dose.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       Yeah. That breakthrough term is a marketing term. I didn't know that. Like, that's what a breakthrough infection is. That's not a medical, that's a marketing thing.

   18. KMKurt Metzger11:46

       They tricked America into getting hooked on heroin. Can you imagine that? When we were, when we were kids, okay, like in high school, for example, when you heard about, like, a rock star who did heroin. Like, when I heard about ... I guess it was a little after high school, but, uh, Kurt Cobain. I was like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       Yeah.

   20. KMKurt Metzger12:04

       ... "Oh my God, he's doing heroin? Doesn't he know?"

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       Yeah.

   22. KMKurt Metzger12:06

       Like, "Doesn't he know?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       That was ... In my high school, I remember thinking that, 'cause I didn't do anything. I was just a Jehovah Witness, I didn't drink or do, you know.

   24. KMKurt Metzger12:14

       But, like, what was the numbers back then of people who actually did heroin-

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       I found out later.

   26. KMKurt Metzger12:17

       ... versus now?

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       Later, years later, I found out a whole bunch of people on heroin in my high school-

   28. KMKurt Metzger12:21

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:21

       ... 'cause Toms River ...... remember the pizza connection, all that shit? Like-

   30. KMKurt Metzger12:25

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
7. 12:38 – 14:34

   Functional heroin users, Schaub’s pill spiral, and the path from injury to dependence

   1. KMKurt Metzger12:38

      I was very innocent when it came to drugs, 'cause, uh, most of my high school years I spent doing martial arts.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:43

      Yeah.

   3. KMKurt Metzger12:44

      So, and I d- I really didn't party at all. But my boxing coach when I was 20-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:49

      (laughs)

   5. KMKurt Metzger12:49

      ... was this guy who was a longshoreman. And-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:51

      Oh, crack? He did cr- he smoked crack?

   7. KMKurt Metzger12:53

      Oh, no, no, no. He didn't do anything. He drank a little bit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:55

      Oh.

   9. KMKurt Metzger12:55

      But big Irish guy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       Okay.

   11. KMKurt Metzger12:57

       And, uh, he... Great fucking guy. But he worked with a guy that was a heroin addict. And I go, "He's a heroin addict? And he still has a job?" He goes, "Yep." He goes, "Every day at lunchtime, he goes to this guy, he gets his bag, he sits in his car, he shoots it up, he sits in his car for an hour, and then he goes back to work."

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       (laughs)

   13. KMKurt Metzger13:18

       I go, "No fucking way."

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       Yeah.

   15. KMKurt Metzger13:19

       He goes, "Yeah, and he's fine." He goes, "But he needs it. He's gotta get it every day. But if he gets it-"

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       Yeah.

   17. KMKurt Metzger13:24

       "... every day, he's very functional." I'm like, "That's nuts." I'm like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Yeah, right.

   19. KMKurt Metzger13:27

       ... "How many guys are like that?"

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       Probably a lot.

   21. KMKurt Metzger13:29

       But he knew a bunch of people who did heroin. I was like, "You know a bunch of people that do heroin?"

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       (laughs)

   23. KMKurt Metzger13:34

       Like, who the fuck's doing heroin? Whereas now, if you hear, "Oh, my uncle's on pills," like, "Oh, fuck."

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       Yeah, right.

   25. KMKurt Metzger13:41

       "Another one." It's another one, it's another one. I mean, how many of our friends?

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       It's taking the needle out of it really, uh, takes some stigma away, I guess.

   27. KMKurt Metzger13:48

       Dude-

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       And also having it prescribed by a medical doctor.

   29. KMKurt Metzger13:51

       ... Schaub had it and people had to take it from him. His friends had to take it from him.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       What do you mean?
8. 14:34 – 19:34

   Suboxone vs methadone: withdrawal realities and replacement-dependency debates

   1. KMKurt Metzger14:34

      But it's also one you're not supposed to just get off, right? You're supposed to wean yourself off that shit, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:39

      Well, you won't, it's not like, um...

   3. KMKurt Metzger14:41

      Or m- no, actually, that's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      Benzos, you could die.

   5. KMKurt Metzger14:43

      Benzos, you could die.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:43

      Opiates, you think you're gonna die, but you're not. It's, it's, uh...

   7. KMKurt Metzger14:46

      Should you wean yourself off?

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:49

      Um, I did.

   9. KMKurt Metzger14:49

      Do they, like, if they medically do it, like, if you went, checked-

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       You get-

   11. KMKurt Metzger14:52

       ... yourself into a rehab and said, "Hey, I have an Oxycontin addiction."

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       Well, I didn't even have to do that. They prescribed me Suboxone to quit it.

   13. KMKurt Metzger14:58

       Right, but if they-

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       And even, yeah.

   15. KMKurt Metzger14:59

       What I'm saying is, like, if you went, like, straight, like, you were, you were fucked up and you went straight to a rehab center.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       Yeah.

   17. KMKurt Metzger15:05

       Like, would they wean you off of it? Or would they give you-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:09

       They give you Suboxone.

   19. KMKurt Metzger15:09

       ... they give you Suboxone?

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       Yeah.

   21. KMKurt Metzger15:10

       And what is that, that stuff? I've heard people talk about that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       It's like a film. It's a little orange film. And, and, uh, it... But you have to be... Oh, what's his name? Um, I'm blanking on his name. Uh, uh... (laughs) He took it, he, uh... Who? You're friends with him, he's got a beard and he's a, oh, psychedelic, uh, cal- what's his name? I'm, I'm totally blanking.

   23. KMKurt Metzger15:30

       Duncan?

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Duncan.

   25. KMKurt Metzger15:32

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Jesus.

   27. KMKurt Metzger15:33

       Beard, psychedelic. I was like...

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       I'm like, yeah. I was really reaching-

   29. KMKurt Metzger15:36

       That's that, that's that real weed, that's what that is.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Is it indica?
9. 19:34 – 26:58

   Exercise, vitamin D, and mood stabilization: resisting ‘jock culture’ while needing movement

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:34

      So it probably... You know, benzos is worst, dude. I think that's the one that like-

   2. KMKurt Metzger19:38

      That's the one can kill you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:40

      Well, not just that but I think it affects... People I know that came off that, it affected them for, like, a crazy amount of time.

   4. KMKurt Metzger19:45

      So for you, for you it was like cognitive decline, dull feelings-

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:49

      No energy. Just energy.

   6. KMKurt Metzger19:50

      No energy? No energy?

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:50

      But, well, I wasn't really, uh, like exercising a lot at that point.

   8. KMKurt Metzger19:54

      Hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:54

      So that's all-

   10. KMKurt Metzger19:55

       That's a factor.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:56

       I didn't even realize how much just if you go exercise, like you, the energy. I didn't realize like how much, uh-

   12. KMKurt Metzger20:01

       Dude, I say it all the time. Nobody wants to listen 'cause I'm a meathead. It's a real problem.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       No, there's a deep like, there's a deep like anger towards the very idea.

   14. KMKurt Metzger20:09

       Yeah, there's a deep resistance-

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       And I remember being like-

   16. KMKurt Metzger20:10

       ... towards exercise.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       And I remember feeling, um, not like I'm mad at somebody that does work out. But I remember feeling like m- I, I don't, I don't remember why but I remember having that kind of feeling of like-

   18. KMKurt Metzger20:19

       It's defensiveness. It's hard to do. That's what it is. When you see something, when someone does something that's hard to... A- also, it's, there's k- it's connected to negative things, jocks, uh, douchey male behavior, which I've been guilty of. But it's not... That's not all it is. Like exercise, like just non-meathead exercise like yoga is fantastic for you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       Yeah. Well, just for-

   20. KMKurt Metzger20:40

       (clears throat)

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:40

       Uh, mood stabilizer.

   22. KMKurt Metzger20:41

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:41

       I didn't realize... 'Cause the other thing is, especially the whole time I lived in New York, uh, like I don't think I was getting sun, like, uh... I think I probably have vitamin D deficiency in a big way. Yeah.

   24. KMKurt Metzger20:51

       Oh, you 100% do. 100%. If you're not supplementing with vitamin D and you live in like the Northeast-

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       Yeah.

   26. KMKurt Metzger20:57

       ... it's the wintertime, you have vitamin D deficiency.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:00

       Yeah. There e-

   28. KMKurt Metzger21:00

       From food? I mean, you don't... What the fuck? What kind of... I think you can get vitamin D from some plants, like small amounts of it from some plants. But I think primarily, you get it from being in the sun, unless you're supplementing.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       That's what I did first before I was like, "I'm gonna actually." I was in the sun first and it felt like I got-

   30. KMKurt Metzger21:17

       Oh, it's the best.
10. 26:58 – 33:02

    Upselling, quotas, and institutional incentives: from GameStop’s past to policing and asset seizure

    1. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       I-... You ever do any retail where you had upsell items?

    2. KMKurt Metzger27:00

       Unfortunately, no.

    3. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       Okay, so I used to work-

    4. KMKurt Metzger27:02

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       I used to manage, uh, uh, Funcoland it was called, when I was, like, 19.

    6. KMKurt Metzger27:07

       Is that, like, a kids' playhouse or something?

    7. JRJoe Rogan27:09

       It became GameStop. It was like-

    8. KMKurt Metzger27:10

       Ah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       ... they merged with... Electronic Boutique? But it... So it was like buying and selling video games, right? And you could play them before you bought them. That was, like, a huge deal at the time. And, uh, every retail has upsell shit, so we had to sell cleaners for, like... You know, like, the whole-

    10. KMKurt Metzger27:26

        Oh, little air things?

    11. JRJoe Rogan27:27

        Chch. Yeah, people would blow on their Nintendo cartridges to make them work.

    12. KMKurt Metzger27:31

        Uh-huh.

    13. JRJoe Rogan27:31

        That-

    14. KMKurt Metzger27:32

        Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan27:33

        Yeah. So the cleaners worked for those. I would say if you were buying an old Nintendo, you, i-... That's the only way it'd probably even work.

    16. KMKurt Metzger27:38

        I remember that for VCRs too, right? Head cleaners.

    17. JRJoe Rogan27:40

        Yeah, people would blow on it, which is, like, worse. It, it... I'm already trying to sell you a cleaner. So, so-

    18. KMKurt Metzger27:45

        (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan27:46

        ... they made them for every system, and then you get some kind of warranty with it, and you would, like... So it's, like, 15 bucks, and the, the markup's, like, 200%. So you get a commission, right? And then you have to hit store numbers for the district manager, you know, like, y- you're expected... Because that's how they can be sure you're providing great service. If you don't sell this many, like, 25% sales, we know you're not giving the customers great service, because customers need a cleaner. So if you're giving good, good service, you know, you've bought the cleaner. So it would create, like, this thing where there was, like, just fraud in every store because you gotta-

    20. KMKurt Metzger28:19

        Oh, my god.

    21. JRJoe Rogan28:20

        You know, if you're managing, you know, the people that are good at, at this bullshit that you put up out front, and some people that are, like, you know, the, the non-social nerds, you have them count shit in the back. But there was always some kind of scam going on because it just created that. Like, you gotta hit these numbers. And it, i- it was amazing though. I, I, I really, uh... I didn't know that that was, like, how everything works. (laughs)

    22. KMKurt Metzger28:43

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan28:43

        Everything is like, you gotta hit these numbers and everybody just, you know, doing whatever con job-

    24. KMKurt Metzger28:46

        Well, people need incentive, right? That's like cops. They have... They, they, they give cops, like, a, a certain amount of tickets they have to write every month in some places.

    25. JRJoe Rogan28:56

        Yeah, right. That's great.

    26. KMKurt Metzger28:57

        Which is crazy.

    27. JRJoe Rogan28:58

        That's a great system that we have, but-

    28. KMKurt Metzger28:59

        What would you do if nobody sped ever? What if, like, what if nobody sped-

    29. JRJoe Rogan29:04

        That would be fun.

    30. KMKurt Metzger29:04

        ... everybody followed the rules for, like, one month? What would they do if they really do have a quota? And I know cops have told me-
11. 33:02 – 44:17

    CIA drugs, Michael Ruppert, and ‘Collapse’: conspiracy claims shown on C‑SPAN

    1. KMKurt Metzger33:02

       (inhales deeply) Oof. Um, do you remember Michael Rupert?

    2. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       No.

    3. KMKurt Metzger33:06

       Michael Rupert was a friend of mine. He's a really nice guy. He's, like, one of the first guys to g- gift me mushrooms, like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan33:14

       Okay.

    5. KMKurt Metzger33:14

       ... just randomly as a gift. He was a cop who busted the CIA selling crack in South Central and using it to fund the war, the Conscience versus-

    6. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       Oh. I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

    7. KMKurt Metzger33:27

       And he called it out in a courtroom on television.

    8. JRJoe Rogan33:30

       Yeah. I saw that. It's a v-

    9. KMKurt Metzger33:32

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan33:32

        I saw a video of it. Yeah.

    11. KMKurt Metzger33:33

        Yeah. That's Michael Rupert.

    12. JRJoe Rogan33:34

        Wait. Is he alive still?

    13. KMKurt Metzger33:36

        No.

    14. JRJoe Rogan33:37

        Oh, yeah. I was gonna say.

    15. KMKurt Metzger33:37

        No. He, he wasn't ... I, I don't think it's even suspicious. I think he took his own life. I think he was very depressed.

    16. JRJoe Rogan33:45

        Yeah. I bet.

    17. KMKurt Metzger33:45

        I think, I think he, he was living alone in like a, like a trailer, uh, on a farm somewhere. And he just ... You know. He also was the subject of that movie Collapse. You ever see that movie?

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:00

        No.

    19. KMKurt Metzger34:00

        It's a wild movie, and I don't know what the original premise was, but he sits down, and he smokes cigarettes through this entire film.

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:10

        Yeah.

    21. KMKurt Metzger34:10

        It's just a guy talking-

    22. JRJoe Rogan34:12

        Yeah.

    23. KMKurt Metzger34:12

        ... and talking about-

    24. JRJoe Rogan34:13

        Oh.

    25. KMKurt Metzger34:13

        ... the imminent collapse of civilization-

    26. JRJoe Rogan34:16

        I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

    27. KMKurt Metzger34:16

        ... due to our dependence on fossil fuels, and just wild shit. I don't know how much of it was accurate, but I know it scared the fuck out of a lot of people, and it was, like, a really popular documentary.

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:31

        I remember it.

    29. KMKurt Metzger34:31

        It's worth watching.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        Yeah.
12. 44:17 – 57:44

    UFO lore and credibility: Nixon, Jackie Gleason, tabloid sourcing, and Bob Lazar

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:17

       You know- you know what I wonder about that, 'cause that Bob Lazar episode was very creepy when I- when I, uh- I watched the thing ab-

    2. KMKurt Metzger44:23

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:23

       ... you know. But to hear him talking about it-

    4. KMKurt Metzger44:24

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:24

       ... it was eerie to hear him talk about it. Anyway.

    6. KMKurt Metzger44:26

       It was very confusing, 'cause what he's saying is so out there. You don't-

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:32

       Yeah.

    8. KMKurt Metzger44:32

       ... know. I'm like, "Am I a f- I'm definitely a fool, but am I being a fool here?"

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:36

       Yeah. No, th- that's the little eerie part of it. But then, uh, who would control, like, um ... Do you think the president gets to find out about it, or do you think it's purely-

    10. KMKurt Metzger44:45

        Supposedly, Nixon knew, and Nixon took Jackie Gleason.

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:48

        Yeah, that- I know that (laughs) story.

    12. KMKurt Metzger44:50

        And Jackie Gleason built a house out of the shape of the UFO that he saw, like to represent the UFO that he saw. And like, the Jackie Gleason house was for sale just a few years ago.

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:59

        Mm-hmm.

    14. KMKurt Metzger45:00

        It's in like- was it in like Upstate New York? I found out about this from this dude who gave me, uh, the book Best Evidence by David Lifton. He was like a- a guitarist in a band. That's it. That's the UFO-inspired Upstate New York house. Look at his fucking house. So-

    15. JRJoe Rogan45:15

        Wait, that's not that big a house.

    16. KMKurt Metzger45:17

        Well, i- it wasn't that big a house, 'cause he wanted to make it like the fucking UFO. So what it was, was, um-

    17. JRJoe Rogan45:22

        Oh, I see.

    18. NANarrator45:23

        I think it's- I think it's- I think it's multiple properties.

    19. KMKurt Metzger45:24

        Oh, I see.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:25

        So he just started-

    21. KMKurt Metzger45:26

        But one of them looked like a UFO.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:27

        ... making UFO houses.

    23. KMKurt Metzger45:27

        He- apparently, this is the- the rumor. What the rumor was, was that Jackie Gleason got drunk with, uh, Nixon.

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:35

        Mm-hmm.

    25. KMKurt Metzger45:35

        And Nixon's like, "You wanna see a fucking flying saucer?"

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:37

        Yeah.

    27. KMKurt Metzger45:37

        He's like, "Yes." And then they flew to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I believe-

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:42

        Right.

    29. KMKurt Metzger45:42

        ... was the rumor, and they showed him like, "We have actually recovered-"

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:44

        Like they had freezers of- of them, right? They had 'em in freezers.
13. 57:44 – 1:01:28

    Jimmy Dore partnership and ‘filtering’ news: PR access, delayed coverage, and narrative management

    1. KMKurt Metzger57:44

       I know. That's the thing. You're working with Jimmy Dore now, and because you're working with Jimmy Dore, Jimmy's c- constantly exposing insane corruption that no one's talking about. Constantly.

    2. JRJoe Rogan57:53

       It-

    3. KMKurt Metzger57:53

       And constantly calling people out.

    4. JRJoe Rogan57:55

       It's all shit that I wouldn't know about 'cause nobody, uh, talks about it-

    5. KMKurt Metzger57:59

       Right.

    6. JRJoe Rogan57:59

       ... ever. There's, there's-

    7. KMKurt Metzger58:00

       You don't hear about it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:01

       It really is... And it's stuff that... It's the regular... The weird thing, I was telling Jamie, is it'll be a report on something and then I'll notice the other news tha- news, uh, YouTube and elsewhere reporting on it later, like, four months later they're talking about it.

    9. KMKurt Metzger58:17

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:17

        Like, an embargo's been lifted when you're allowed to review the, the... It, it, it's really-

    11. KMKurt Metzger58:21

        Yeah, when things get to a point where they're so prevalent in the news that you kinda have to address them now.

    12. JRJoe Rogan58:26

        There's a thing where if you wanna have access to, to the people, you're gonna have to be, like, doing part PR for them-

    13. KMKurt Metzger58:33

        Yes. Yes.

    14. JRJoe Rogan58:33

        ... or you're out of the club. So all these people that he's had on... This is what I like about him, is all these people he's had on, if they don't do the thing they said, he brings it up. He doesn't politely-

    15. KMKurt Metzger58:43

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan58:44

        You know, th- he doesn't do any of that team shit where you're supposed to, like-

    17. KMKurt Metzger58:47

        No.

    18. JRJoe Rogan58:48

        "I know this is a lie, but we have to go with it because the, the bad people could win." Like...

    19. KMKurt Metzger58:52

        They all do that.

    20. JRJoe Rogan58:53

        Yeah.

    21. KMKurt Metzger58:53

        And that's not journalism. It's... You can't get it from those forms anymore because they're, they're holding water for so many different entities.

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:02

        Yes.

    23. KMKurt Metzger59:02

        It's, it's so hard for them to just spit facts. And I think the way you two guys do it together is so refreshing 'cause it's, like, true... Like, you go over facts and details and then you're constantly cracking jokes. It's like-

    24. JRJoe Rogan59:16

        Yeah. Well, I'm li- I-

    25. KMKurt Metzger59:16

        There's levity to it.

    26. JRJoe Rogan59:18

        I'm kinda just like, well, I'm doing, like, just watching it, laughing. It's a- a- it-

    27. KMKurt Metzger59:22

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan59:22

        It creates an effect, I think, to have a laugh-y guy. (laughs)

    29. KMKurt Metzger59:25

        Well, it's also, it's a perfect... Your, your type of joke writing-

    30. JRJoe Rogan59:28

        Right.
14. 1:01:28 – 1:06:33

    Ukraine narrative shifts, Azov sanitization, FTX as influence machine, and ESG ‘mind virus’

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       All the Ukraine stuff, especially... Th- here's what's really, really creepy to me, is, uh, they all... It's all, like, slow to mention how fucked up the Ukraine situation is. And the o- the other really eerie thing is-... I remember this before I did anything with Jimmy's show, like in 2018, they were constantly reporting on, like, Ukraine's got a Nazi problem. That was a huge- (laughs)

    2. KMKurt Metzger1:01:50

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       ... on all the major things, they would say-

    4. KMKurt Metzger1:01:52

       And corruption. Deep, deep corruption.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       Yeah. And so now, if you look in New York Times, we, he showed it, the celebrated Azov battalion. They've even dropped saying the Nazi part.

    6. KMKurt Metzger1:02:04

       Whoa.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       Did you see the thing of Jon Stewart-

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:02:06

       No.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       ... hanging the medal on the Nazi's neck at Disney World with a Mickey Mouse behind him?

    10. KMKurt Metzger1:02:10

        No. What?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

        (laughs) Yeah, that's one of the ones we did. The guy covered it up though. It was cool.

    12. KMKurt Metzger1:02:14

        Oh, were you talking about sketch?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

        No. This is-

    14. KMKurt Metzger1:02:15

        What do you mean?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:16

        In real life.

    16. KMKurt Metzger1:02:17

        Hold on. Explain that. What did you...

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

        It was for a, it was like the warrior games at Disney World, and a hero, an Azov (laughs) hero, w- won, like best, best guy on the team. I don't know how there's time to go to Disney World, but Jon Stewart hangs a medal on his neck, and he's got a red, in the photo he's got a red thing covering it up. It's one of those black sun, you know, the Himmler, I think it's like the occult thing, right? He's got that on his elbow.

    18. KMKurt Metzger1:02:41

        What?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:41

        So, yeah. That's a very... Oh, there he is in the h- w- yeah, okay, that's the guy. But look at the picture of the guy in the hospital with (laughs) look at, he's a sweet, sweet make a wish kid with a black sun.

    20. KMKurt Metzger1:02:55

        Is that real?

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:56

        Yeah. The thing is creepy is this is, this, all the regular news reported this up until abruptly now it doesn't come up. Which I can understand if, like, we were at war, right?

    22. KMKurt Metzger1:03:07

        So he had something covering up his arm?

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

        Yeah, see he's got a thing covering it up 'cause-

    24. KMKurt Metzger1:03:11

        So he had a thing to cover up his tattoo?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:13

        Yeah, but-

    26. KMKurt Metzger1:03:14

        Wow.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

        I mean, holy shit. Walt Disney's dream coming true. (laughs)

    28. KMKurt Metzger1:03:19

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:21

        Yeah.

    30. KMKurt Metzger1:03:22

        Whoa.
15. 1:06:33 – 1:19:24

    Nootropics and pharma skepticism: dopamine drugs, compulsions, and the ‘chemical imbalance’ marketing story

    1. KMKurt Metzger1:06:33

       Did you see what the young lady said? She posted it on Twitter about ho- regular amphetamine use.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:06:38

       Oh, the chick?

    3. KMKurt Metzger1:06:39

       Making people see, make life's, what does she say?

    4. NANarrator1:06:42

       I didn't see that.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:42

       Um-

    6. KMKurt Metzger1:06:42

       Makes real life seem silly?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:43

       Uh, yeah.

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:06:44

       See, see if you, see if you can find out what her post was, but she was talking on Twitter about how, uh, consuming amphetamines on a regular basis-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:53

       Yeah, yeah.

    10. KMKurt Metzger1:06:53

        ... here it is, made non-medicated life seem dumb. (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:56

        Oh, no shit?

    12. NANarrator1:06:58

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:58

        It was, did, but you see the obvious, the obvious things they're saying?

    14. KMKurt Metzger1:07:02

        (laughs) Look it, what a fucking, look it, nothing like regular amphetamine use to make you appreciate how dumb a lot of normal non-medicated human experience is. That is a hilarious thing to say from someone who in April 5th of 2021 is responsible for how much money? (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:07:18

        Dude, th- th- it, but you know what's crazy? They're all whacked out on-

Episode duration: 3:38:24