Joe Rogan Experience #1903 - Kurt Metzger

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Joe Rogan 0:06 (instrumental music plays) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Let's go.

Kurt Metzger 0:15 Boy, you, you're going deep, fella.

Joe Rogan 0:17 I mean, that's why Elon Musk is a success.

Kurt Metzger 0:20 Why?

Joe Rogan 0:20 'Cause he smoked weed on this show.

Kurt Metzger 0:22 I don't think that's true. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 0:27 (laughs) That's what I...

Joe Rogan 0:27 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 0:27 (laughs) That's like when high school kids, like-

Joe Rogan 0:28 That guy's got a lot of money, and I saw him smoke weed on this show.

Kurt Metzger 0:30 That's what happened, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:32 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 0:32 (laughs)

Narrator 0:32 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 0:32 That was the root of it. I almost got him fucking f- like, removed from NASA top clearance inadvertently.

Joe Rogan 0:39 I- That's crazy, dude, that you would have to... Well, it's crazy how, yeah-

Kurt Metzger 0:43 Meanwhile, we were drinking whiskey for like two hours before we hit that-

Joe Rogan 0:46 I know.

Kurt Metzger 0:47 ... blunt.

Joe Rogan 0:47 That's wild how slow that aspect, 'cause weed's so legal in so many places-

Kurt Metzger 0:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:51 ... you forget that it's not legal still.

Kurt Metzger 0:53 Well, it was legal in California. That's what he asked me. He goes, "It is legal?" I go, "Yeah, it's legal here."

Joe Rogan 0:58 Yeah, but it's not... There's, there's California law, and then-

Kurt Metzger 1:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01 ... there's, uh-

Kurt Metzger 1:02 State law.

Joe Rogan 1:03 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:03 Federal law, rather. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04 Or also, like, corporate, like investor confidence law, I guess, is what he violated.

Kurt Metzger 1:08 Well, this is NASA. NASA had an issue with it, so it's government.

Joe Rogan 1:12 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:12 See, 'cause it's, marijuana's still very... Unfortunately, it's still federally Schedule I.

Joe Rogan 1:17 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:17 Which means it has no medical benefits, which is hilarious because I'm pretty sure cocaine is Schedule II 'cause cocaine has medical benefits.

Joe Rogan 1:26 'Cause of the throat, r-right? Like, Elvis would get it for his throat-

Kurt Metzger 1:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:29 ... on cotton swabs.

Kurt Metzger 1:30 Is that what you're saying? The colonel?

Joe Rogan 1:31 No, well, that... I mean, officially, that's why they would give it to him. I was watching-

Kurt Metzger 1:34 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34 ... like, his entourage, like the guys from his entourage.

Kurt Metzger 1:37 "We need to get Elvis some cocaine for his throat."

Joe Rogan 1:39 It was like this medical grade, the kind Robert Evans got busted trying to get, the pure like-

Kurt Metzger 1:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:44 ... liquid, liquid (laughs) cocaine, and they would just dip these cotton swabs in it, and you stuck 'em, and they would just sit there and be ripped for hours, he said, on liquid. It was for his, uh, throat.

Kurt Metzger 1:52 Well, if, it would numb it, 'cause they had... Like, I had lidocaine on my nose-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 1:58 ... which is like a cousin of cocaine, I guess, and one of the things that I thought was really interesting about it, it fucking killed my appetite. Like, I tried to go to-

Joe Rogan 2:05 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 2:05 ... dinner afterwards, I was like, "God, I don't wanna eat anything." I know-

Joe Rogan 2:09 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 2:09 ... I'm hungry. I had this delicious steak in front of me, and I couldn't eat it.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Oh, yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 2:13 'Cause the lidocaine, like it was still in my throat. I could taste it. It was like, ugh, ch- ugh.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Is that like a similar... What's that movie?

Kurt Metzger 2:20 It numbs everything. But it doesn't get you high, but it does get you feeling weird. You don't-

Joe Rogan 2:25 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 2:25 You don't feel like... You're not in any way like high, you know, but you al- you are like, ugh, like weirded out. I think he gave me like a heavy dose too, because he had to clean out my nose, and you know-

Joe Rogan 2:35 How did he apply it?

Kurt Metzger 2:36 ... fix my septum. Um, I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember what, 'cause they put me under. I don't remember if it was injections. I don't remember what happened.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Mm-hmm.

Kurt Metzger 2:46 'Cause I had to go out for that, 'cause it's, it was pretty serious. I went fucking to get in there and ah! (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:51 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 2:52 Shave down-

Joe Rogan 2:52 What's the, what's-

Kurt Metzger 2:52 ... your turbinates.

Joe Rogan 2:54 Oh, that's... I didn't even know that's what was going on.

Kurt Metzger 2:55 Yeah, there's like these bumps in the middle, my nose was fucked. And so-

Joe Rogan 2:58 From getting hit or just...

Kurt Metzger 2:59 Oh, I, well, from everything. I fell down a flight of stairs when I was five years old, so I remem-

Joe Rogan 3:03 Really?

Kurt Metzger 3:03 ... yeah, there's a little photo of me with a black eye when I was five. I remember I just slipped and fell down a cement flight of stairs-

Joe Rogan 3:09 Jesus Christ.

Kurt Metzger 3:10 ... in my backyard when I was five, smashed my nose, and so I think from then on I never had a good nose (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 3:16 (laughs)

Narrator 3:17 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 3:18 I think it was pretty fucked up from then on. I was a literal mouth breather until I was 40, and then I got my nose fixed.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Yeah, no, but...

Kurt Metzger 3:25 Oh my God, it was the greatest thing ever. I was like (breathes deeply) .

Joe Rogan 3:27 I just had, always had huge nostril capacity myself, so... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 3:31 Well, a lot of guys start out with huge nostril capacity, but if you get hit there enough-

Joe Rogan 3:36 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 3:36 ... a lot of, uh, wrestlers and, uh, very much boxers, boxers, they get their nose smashed. MMA fighters get their nose smashed.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 3:44 They all have stuffed up noses.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Remember Randall Tex Cobb?

Kurt Metzger 3:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:48 He looked like somebody just spread-

Kurt Metzger 3:49 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 3:49 ... his nose with like butter onto his... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 3:52 Meanwhile, Artie Lange probably has the most impressive broken nose I've ever seen.

Joe Rogan 3:56 Yeah, well-

Kurt Metzger 3:56 Like Artie's is collapsed, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:58 Yeah, that's a crazy story. I just talked to him not that long ago.

Kurt Metzger 4:01 He's the best.

Joe Rogan 4:02 (laughs) I love that dude so much. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 4:04 I love him so much. He's such a good... He's just, like when you're around him, you just wanna hug him.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Yeah, dude.

Kurt Metzger 4:09 He's just such a good... He's always been that way too.

Joe Rogan 4:11 He used to do a-

Kurt Metzger 4:11 I've known that guy for 20 plus years.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Yeah, he's a w- one of f- if you... Uh, we used to do, me and Shrad's old podcast, Raise Wars, and he'd give me a ride back to Washington Heights, and it was like the funniest... He's like the funniest dude to hang out with-

Kurt Metzger 4:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:24 ... that I ever met, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 4:25 Ah, his fucking stories, they're so good, and even when he sobered up, they were just as good if not better.

Joe Rogan 4:30 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 4:30 Like I did his, uh... I did a podcast with him. We used the, the Skank Studio-

Joe Rogan 4:35 Right.

Kurt Metzger 4:36 ... Legion and Skank Studio. Thanks to them for that 'cause it was pretty awesome of them to let me borrow their studio. So we did, uh, Artie in there, and Artie was like stone cold sober for like over a year.

Joe Rogan 4:47 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 4:47 Like, confident that he's like gonna keep it together. He had a guy with him helping him.

Joe Rogan 4:51 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 4:51 He was on the ball.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 4:52 On the ball. His fucking stories were sharper than ever.

Joe Rogan 4:55 (laughs) Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 4:56 Sharper than ever. It's like you would think... Sometimes you'd think like if a guy sobers up, 'cause some guys do, they sober up and then they get boring.

Joe Rogan 5:03 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 5:04 You know, something happens, they lose that wildness.

Joe Rogan 5:06 No, he doesn't. He-

Kurt Metzger 5:07 Not at all.

Joe Rogan 5:08 ... he... Yeah, it brings it down to a manageable, uh... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 5:11 You know who else got really better after they got sober is Attell.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 5:14 Attell was always amazing. He was always-

Joe Rogan 5:16 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 5:16 ... a great, great comic, but-

Joe Rogan 5:17 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 5:17 ... being healthier because like he has more energy.

Joe Rogan 5:20 He just stopped. I remember that.

Kurt Metzger 5:22 Just stopped.

Joe Rogan 5:22 When he stopped drinking, like really? That was like a whole...

Kurt Metzger 5:25 Yeah. Well, I think he, you know, you get captured by a thing that you're known for too, 'cause remember Insomniac?

Joe Rogan 5:31 Right.

Kurt Metzger 5:31 He would get hammered in every town. It was a fucking great show.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Oh, he told me, it, it was like impossible to do without people throwing like ice cubes at the-

Kurt Metzger 5:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:37 (laughs) ... at the production. Like-

Kurt Metzger 5:40 Did you ever see it? You ever watch it?

Joe Rogan 5:41 Yeah, I loved... I mean, I loved it when it came out, and, uh, I didn't... But I didn't know about how production, like the logistics of a show revolving around being drunk out at night-

Kurt Metzger 5:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:50 ... how, what a nightmare that must be.

Kurt Metzger 5:52 Every fucking bar you go to is just filled with-

Joe Rogan 5:53 Oh my God.

Kurt Metzger 5:54 ... hammered people.

Joe Rogan 5:55 You have to be drunk to do it-

Kurt Metzger 5:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:56 ... because if you're sober dealing with that, it's like being waterboarded-

Kurt Metzger 6:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:00 ... having this conversation. Like I'll say anything to make this end.

Narrator 6:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:04 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 6:04 Imagine if you're like a health nut, and you're like running every day and eating wheatgrass juice, and you have to fucking hold the camera for that show. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:11 Oh.... yeah, when I- I remember, I didn't drink for, like, five years, okay? And I, and I remember not, like, I was like, "I must've been so nauseous when I was drunk, because I can't stand everybody that was drunk around me."

Kurt Metzger 6:25 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:25 You're not at the same speed anymore-

Kurt Metzger 6:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:27 ... and it gets, like, annoying.

Kurt Metzger 6:28 That's what it is, you're not at the same speed.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 6:30 And you think everybody's on your speed.

Joe Rogan 6:33 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 6:33 When you're drunk, you think, like, you think you're making sense and everybody's like, "Oh my God, Kurt, listen to your voice."

Joe Rogan 6:38 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 6:38 "Those fucking guys, you guys are the best."

Joe Rogan 6:41 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 6:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:43 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 6:45 It's so dumb. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. But while it's happening, it's so fun. It's so fun.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Yeah, as long as everybody's on board the same.

Kurt Metzger 6:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:52 But, uh-

Kurt Metzger 6:53 It's very fun while it's happening. But the problem is, like, the fucking price you pay too. Oof. Whenever I do sober October, at the end of the month, I'm like, "Why would I drink again?" I'm like, "I feel so good."

Joe Rogan 7:02 Do you drink a lot?

Kurt Metzger 7:04 I enjoy alcohol, my friend. I enjoy a glass of whiskey, I enjoy a glass of wine with dinner.

Joe Rogan 7:11 You know what I've been drinking?

Kurt Metzger 7:12 I enjoy ... I like a margarita.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah, those are good. I, I was, like, here and there doing ... I didn't quit 'cause I was like, "I have a ... I feel like I have a drinking problem." I was like, you know, I had an OxyContin problem.

Kurt Metzger 7:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:22 (laughs) I didn't have a drinking problem. But, uh, Ryan Long got me into White Claw. I've been drinking White Claws.

Kurt Metzger 7:28 (laughs) That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 7:29 People try to shame me too about it, and I don't give a shit.

Kurt Metzger 7:32 Ryan Long's a funny dude.

Joe Rogan 7:33 (laughs) Yeah, I love that dude.

Kurt Metzger 7:34 He's a funny dude. I hung out with him at the, uh, Vulcan.

Joe Rogan 7:37 Did you ... I forgot-

Kurt Metzger 7:38 Funny dude.

Joe Rogan 7:38 ... when you brought up Leach's gangs, did you watch Soder doing Chappelle and-

Kurt Metzger 7:42 No.

Joe Rogan 7:43 ... pranking that Fox News producer for, uh, Tucker?

Kurt Metzger 7:45 No.

Joe Rogan 7:46 Dude, I, I, it came-

Kurt Metzger 7:48 Does Soder do, like, a wicked Chappelle impression?

Joe Rogan 7:50 It's a good impression, but I could hear Soder, but it's so hilarious. So I wa- I saw it come on my feed and I, I didn't know what it was. And I was like, "I don't wanna listen to the whole podcast." But Jay called me and told me-

Kurt Metzger 8:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:00 ... what the clip is. So, I guess a producer ... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 8:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:04 A producer from Tucker Carlson, 'cause Chappelle, you know, was on, uh-

Kurt Metzger 8:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:08 ... SNL.

Kurt Metzger 8:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:09 And I don't know why, but she's at Gaz Digital. So, Dave Smith, you have Dave Smith on, right?

Kurt Metzger 8:14 I love Dave Smith.

Joe Rogan 8:15 So Louis was upping Dave ... He was like, "You really should have Dave Smith on, 'cause he really talks about this stuff." You know?

Kurt Metzger 8:19 Oh, yeah. He knows his shit.

Joe Rogan 8:20 And, and, uh, Louis kept recommending him to her, and, uh, she goes, "Oh, you have his number?" He goes, "Yeah, he'd love to do it." And she-

Kurt Metzger 8:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:28 ... she starts texting Dave Smith like, "It's such an honor." All this, like, a little overly-

Kurt Metzger 8:33 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 8:34 ... where Dave's like, "Wow, this girl's really into Dave Smith." So they figure out she thinks he's Dave Chappelle for some reason.

Kurt Metzger 8:39 Uh, how?

Joe Rogan 8:40 Well, that was a lot of the mystery was, like, how you would mix that up.

Kurt Metzger 8:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:44 It turned out Louis had said something that literally (laughs) like, they went back and Louis realized from texts that-

Kurt Metzger 8:50 Oh, no. So, he just flubbed a text?

Joe Rogan 8:52 He told her, like, "Dave is the closest thing I have to a brother," about Dave Smith. (laughs) But she thinks it's Chappelle.

Kurt Metzger 8:57 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 8:59 So, (laughs)

Narrator 8:59 ...

Kurt Metzger 8:59 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:00 'Cause if you ... Dave is, like, one of those guys, like Eddie. You could say Eddie, everybody knows what you're saying Eddie Murphy.

Joe Rogan 9:05 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 9:06 Right? If you say Dave, like, I say it all the time-

Joe Rogan 9:08 She-

Kurt Metzger 9:09 ... I say Dave.

Joe Rogan 9:10 I can't-

Kurt Metzger 9:10 I don't even have to bother saying Dave Chappelle.

Joe Rogan 9:12 I don't remember. Well, around Gaz Digital, Dave Smith is g- you're gonna say Dave-

Kurt Metzger 9:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 ... it's probably gonna be Dave Smith. But, uh, at some p- ... Louis went and checked his texts, and that's how he realized that ... okay?

Kurt Metzger 9:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:22 So, then they get Soder, they have Mur- ... They call Soder to call her up as Chappelle, so it's on mute for the podcast. (laughs) And, uh, I think his, his whole thing is he's gonna use the name Louis J. Gomez in every sentence that he says to her. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 9:36 Mm, that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 9:37 I, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:38 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 9:38 Is that where his-

Kurt Metzger 9:39 Dave Smith, by the way, is one of the most knowledgeable political guys-

Joe Rogan 9:42 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:42 ... I've ever talked to.

Joe Rogan 9:43 I just did a thing with him, with, uh, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:44 He knows so much.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:47 Like, has Jimmy ever had him on?

Joe Rogan 9:49 They're trying to now, actually.

Kurt Metzger 9:50 Oh, that would be a perfect fit.

Joe Rogan 9:52 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:52 Yeah. By the way, you're hilarious on Jimmy.

Joe Rogan 9:54 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 9:54 It's very fun. It's very fun. I'm glad he's got you doing that now. It's such a great move, 'cause it really-

Joe Rogan 9:59 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 9:59 ... puts levity to all these crazy, fucked up stories.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Right. It's better-

Kurt Metzger 10:03 Like-

Joe Rogan 10:03 ... than in, if I'm in the studio too. If it-

Kurt Metzger 10:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 ... I was doing it remote and it's not as good. There's something about being in-

Kurt Metzger 10:07 There's a lag.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 10:08 Yeah. Well, you don't feel each other's vibe.

Joe Rogan 10:10 Yeah, right. And-

Kurt Metzger 10:11 That's a real thing.

Joe Rogan 10:13 (laughs) I smoke so much more b- ... I mean, I always smoked a lot of weed, but, uh, so much more now 'cause of being informed. I hate it.

Kurt Metzger 10:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:22 (laughs) I mean, I really ... But, uh, I, I don't know, I enjoy being there. That was one of the few ... I think I couldn't watch any more regular, like, news for, like, a few years.

Kurt Metzger 10:33 It's hard. It's hard because, you know, you, you gotta run everything through a fucking filter, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 10:40 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 10:40 ... like what are you trying to sell me? What's actually going on?

Joe Rogan 10:43 Yeah, what are you trying to sell me?

Kurt Metzger 10:43 And why are there so many pharmaceutical commercials? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:46 Yeah. Uh, uh, and there's no ... There's ... And especially, like, friends of mine that had, you know ... I was hooked on OxyContin. Now, I didn't get tricked by-

Kurt Metzger 10:53 How did you get hooked on it?

Joe Rogan 10:55 I knew it was heroin when I did it. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 10:57 So you did it for fun?

Joe Rogan 10:58 I had, uh, a legit prescription at one point from ... hurt my back. And then, uh-

Kurt Metzger 11:03 Ah, the old hurt my back.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Yeah, and I had, like, a Percocet, right? Which still has, uh, I guess the Tylenol in it. And then they were just around, like, I could get my hands on them, the blue ones.

Kurt Metzger 11:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 11:15 So I started taking those. So I wasn't one of the people that they said, "It's not addictive," to.

Kurt Metzger 11:19 You knew?

Joe Rogan 11:20 Yeah. I, by that time, everybody knew it was a drug. So I, I, I don't blame it on, like, the Sackler family tricked me. But they did ... You remember breakthrough pain?

Kurt Metzger 11:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:29 So, (laughs) so that ... I guess that's you have a tolerance to heroin and you-

Kurt Metzger 11:33 (laughs) It's called breakthrough pain.

Joe Rogan 11:34 Yeah. They call it, like, "Ooh, the pain somehow broke through." (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 11:37 You just need a higher and higher dose.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Yeah. That breakthrough term is a marketing term. I didn't know that. Like, that's what a breakthrough infection is. That's not a medical, that's a marketing thing.

Kurt Metzger 11:46 They tricked America into getting hooked on heroin. Can you imagine that? When we were, when we were kids, okay, like in high school, for example, when you heard about, like, a rock star who did heroin. Like, when I heard about ... I guess it was a little after high school, but, uh, Kurt Cobain. I was like-

Joe Rogan 12:03 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 12:04 ... "Oh my God, he's doing heroin? Doesn't he know?"

Joe Rogan 12:06 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 12:06 Like, "Doesn't he know?"

Joe Rogan 12:07 That was ... In my high school, I remember thinking that, 'cause I didn't do anything. I was just a Jehovah Witness, I didn't drink or do, you know.

Kurt Metzger 12:14 But, like, what was the numbers back then of people who actually did heroin-

Joe Rogan 12:16 I found out later.

Kurt Metzger 12:17 ... versus now?

Joe Rogan 12:18 Later, years later, I found out a whole bunch of people on heroin in my high school-

Kurt Metzger 12:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:21 ... 'cause Toms River ...... remember the pizza connection, all that shit? Like-

Kurt Metzger 12:25 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:26 ... like, really pure heroin was coming in through-

Kurt Metzger 12:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:28 ... Toms River.

Kurt Metzger 12:29 Wow.

Joe Rogan 12:29 So high school north was the morgue, heroin high was, like, the nickname of it. And that was a little bit richer kids, and that was way more of a thing there. But it was at my school too.

Kurt Metzger 12:38 I was very innocent when it came to drugs, 'cause, uh, most of my high school years I spent doing martial arts.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 12:44 So, and I d- I really didn't party at all. But my boxing coach when I was 20-

Joe Rogan 12:49 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 12:49 ... was this guy who was a longshoreman. And-

Joe Rogan 12:51 Oh, crack? He did cr- he smoked crack?

Kurt Metzger 12:53 Oh, no, no, no. He didn't do anything. He drank a little bit.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Oh.

Kurt Metzger 12:55 But big Irish guy.

Joe Rogan 12:57 Okay.

Kurt Metzger 12:57 And, uh, he... Great fucking guy. But he worked with a guy that was a heroin addict. And I go, "He's a heroin addict? And he still has a job?" He goes, "Yep." He goes, "Every day at lunchtime, he goes to this guy, he gets his bag, he sits in his car, he shoots it up, he sits in his car for an hour, and then he goes back to work."

Joe Rogan 13:18 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 13:18 I go, "No fucking way."

Joe Rogan 13:19 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 13:19 He goes, "Yeah, and he's fine." He goes, "But he needs it. He's gotta get it every day. But if he gets it-"

Joe Rogan 13:24 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 13:24 "... every day, he's very functional." I'm like, "That's nuts." I'm like-

Joe Rogan 13:27 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 13:27 ... "How many guys are like that?"

Joe Rogan 13:28 Probably a lot.

Kurt Metzger 13:29 But he knew a bunch of people who did heroin. I was like, "You know a bunch of people that do heroin?"

Joe Rogan 13:34 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 13:34 Like, who the fuck's doing heroin? Whereas now, if you hear, "Oh, my uncle's on pills," like, "Oh, fuck."

Joe Rogan 13:40 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 13:41 "Another one." It's another one, it's another one. I mean, how many of our friends?

Joe Rogan 13:44 It's taking the needle out of it really, uh, takes some stigma away, I guess.

Kurt Metzger 13:48 Dude-

Joe Rogan 13:48 And also having it prescribed by a medical doctor.

Kurt Metzger 13:51 ... Schaub had it and people had to take it from him. His friends had to take it from him.

Joe Rogan 13:55 What do you mean?

Kurt Metzger 13:55 Before I knew him well. He, uh, he got hooked on pills.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Oh, right.

Kurt Metzger 13:59 He had a Oxy problem. He got his- his nose-

Joe Rogan 14:02 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 14:02 ... shattered in one of his big fights. I think it was Mirko Cro Cop, hit him with an elbow in the nose. This guy from Croatia is, like, one of the most murderous kickboxers of all time. Schaub actually knocked him out. It was like, Schaub's biggest win as a professional. Huge, huge win.

Joe Rogan 14:16 Well, he got elbowed in the process of doing that, right? Okay.

Kurt Metzger 14:17 Yeah, he got his nose shattered in the process, so he got his nose fixed. I'm pretty sure it was that fight. He got his nose fixed, and then, um, in getting his nose fixed, they got him hooked on the pills. Uh-

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yum.

Kurt Metzger 14:28 ... and he was just taking 'em, like, months after the surgery, still taking 'em.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Really?

Kurt Metzger 14:32 And then his buddies pulled him aside.

Joe Rogan 14:33 You get a tolerance pretty quick.

Kurt Metzger 14:34 But it's also one you're not supposed to just get off, right? You're supposed to wean yourself off that shit, right?

Joe Rogan 14:39 Well, you won't, it's not like, um...

Kurt Metzger 14:41 Or m- no, actually, that's-

Joe Rogan 14:42 Benzos, you could die.

Kurt Metzger 14:43 Benzos, you could die.

Joe Rogan 14:43 Opiates, you think you're gonna die, but you're not. It's, it's, uh...

Kurt Metzger 14:46 Should you wean yourself off?

Joe Rogan 14:49 Um, I did.

Kurt Metzger 14:49 Do they, like, if they medically do it, like, if you went, checked-

Joe Rogan 14:52 You get-

Kurt Metzger 14:52 ... yourself into a rehab and said, "Hey, I have an Oxycontin addiction."

Joe Rogan 14:55 Well, I didn't even have to do that. They prescribed me Suboxone to quit it.

Kurt Metzger 14:58 Right, but if they-

Joe Rogan 14:59 And even, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 14:59 What I'm saying is, like, if you went, like, straight, like, you were, you were fucked up and you went straight to a rehab center.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 15:05 Like, would they wean you off of it? Or would they give you-

Joe Rogan 15:09 They give you Suboxone.

Kurt Metzger 15:09 ... they give you Suboxone?

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 15:10 And what is that, that stuff? I've heard people talk about that.

Joe Rogan 15:13 It's like a film. It's a little orange film. And, and, uh, it... But you have to be... Oh, what's his name? Um, I'm blanking on his name. Uh, uh... (laughs) He took it, he, uh... Who? You're friends with him, he's got a beard and he's a, oh, psychedelic, uh, cal- what's his name? I'm, I'm totally blanking.

Kurt Metzger 15:30 Duncan?

Joe Rogan 15:31 Duncan.

Kurt Metzger 15:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:32 Jesus.

Kurt Metzger 15:33 Beard, psychedelic. I was like...

Joe Rogan 15:34 I'm like, yeah. I was really reaching-

Kurt Metzger 15:36 That's that, that's that real weed, that's what that is.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Is it indica?

Kurt Metzger 15:38 That's real shit. No.

Joe Rogan 15:40 Go, thank God.

Kurt Metzger 15:40 Jesus. What'd you think, some kind of establishment?

Joe Rogan 15:41 I go only, like, productivity weed.

Kurt Metzger 15:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:43 But he, uh-

Kurt Metzger 15:44 I don't know if that's real, by the way.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Ari told me a story about him where he was somewhere and he was taking, uh, he took some Suboxone after he had done, you know, Oxy or something-

Kurt Metzger 15:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:54 ... and he got real sick and didn't know what... So the stuff knocks it out of your system immediately with the naloxone or something when you take it.

Kurt Metzger 16:00 Huh.

Joe Rogan 16:00 So you're supposed to be in withdrawal before you take it. So you have to wait until you're sick.

Kurt Metzger 16:05 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 16:06 You know, and when you really feel sick, and then you can take it. 'Cause if you don't wait and you still have that stuff in your system, (laughs) it kicks you into withdrawal immediately.

Kurt Metzger 16:14 Now, is there-

Joe Rogan 16:15 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 16:15 ... a concern with people getting on Suboxone? Is it 'cause... 'cause I remember-

Joe Rogan 16:18 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 16:19 ... methadone-

Joe Rogan 16:20 Yes.

Kurt Metzger 16:21 ... when we were, uh-

Joe Rogan 16:21 They'll keep you on it forever, by the way, if you want.

Kurt Metzger 16:23 Yeah, that was the thing when we were playing pool back in, uh, the '90s, that my friend Johnny B. used to call these people the methadonians.

Joe Rogan 16:33 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 16:33 'Cause they, they would come in from the methadone clinic.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 16:36 And so they would, there would be, like, a methadone place that was right down the street. And they would go to this methadone place, they'd get their fix, then they'd walk over and come to the pool hall.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 16:44 And they'd just be like, slack jawed, knocking balls around.

Joe Rogan 16:47 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 16:47 And Johnny called them the methadonians.

Joe Rogan 16:50 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 16:50 It was so weird.

Joe Rogan 16:51 And then they figured out at one point to take Xanax with it, and it almost feels like heroin apparently.

Kurt Metzger 16:56 Oh, really? Together?

Joe Rogan 16:58 Yeah. There was a HBO documentary about it.

Kurt Metzger 17:00 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Like, a few years back and it, like-

Kurt Metzger 17:02 But they said that methadone's terrible for you.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Yeah, th- I think that stuff's probably even more...

Kurt Metzger 17:07 It's probably worse than heroin. (laughs) Is methadone bad for you?

Joe Rogan 17:09 The withdrawal from that-

Kurt Metzger 17:11 Wa- withdraw from methadone's worse?

Joe Rogan 17:12 Well, the withdrawal from Suboxone-

Kurt Metzger 17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:14 ... felt worse than the withdrawal from the, uh, Oxy.

Kurt Metzger 17:18 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:19 If I had just cold turkeyed that, that would've been a less horrible withdrawal.

Kurt Metzger 17:22 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:23 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 17:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 17:24 And I was taking-

Kurt Metzger 17:25 How long were you taking Suboxone for?

Joe Rogan 17:27 Mm, I don't know, like, uh, maybe almost a year. Maybe, maybe not even. But I was down, I, dude, I was weaned down to the tiniest bit of it, 'cause I was really, like-

Kurt Metzger 17:35 And even the tiniest bit, when you got off it completely, you had horrible withdrawals?

Joe Rogan 17:38 It sucked, dude. Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 17:40 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:40 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 17:41 Wow. So you tapered?

Joe Rogan 17:43 Yeah, I tapered. I w- I didn't, like-

Kurt Metzger 17:44 Now, is that me- similar to methadone? Like, uh, is methadone supposed to be really bad when you're trying to get off of it too?

Joe Rogan 17:49 I've never ge- I've never taken methadone, I don't know what it's like. But what I, uh, from what I get now, it's mostly Suboxone. I don't know if anybody's still taking methadone, but I don't really know.

Kurt Metzger 17:56 I'm very ignorant to methadone. What exactly is methadone?

Joe Rogan 18:00 It's what, uh, w- I just know it is what the thing they used to give you-

Kurt Metzger 18:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:03 ... before they had Suboxone.

Kurt Metzger 18:04 They give people when they're hooked on heroin.

Joe Rogan 18:05 'Cause it blocks opiate. I forgot, Suboxone, part of it blocks you... I think methadone's supposed to do that too, but it blocks you from being able to get high if you relapse.

Kurt Metzger 18:12 Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 18:12 So there's no reason to take more, like...

Kurt Metzger 18:14 Unless you just get off that fucking Suboxone.

Joe Rogan 18:16 People get high off Suboxone too, but more... I didn't get any high off it. I, I, it... I just didn't feel, like, sick when I was using it.

Kurt Metzger 18:22 We had a guy on a long time ago that was, uh, he worked in a rehab center. And he said a lot of it was a scam. And he said they would get you hooked on their stuff, and their stuff was Suboxone.

Joe Rogan 18:31 It does start to feel like that. (laughs) Like you do.

Kurt Metzger 18:34 But if, if they have you hooked on it and you're not getting high, like, what is it doing?

Joe Rogan 18:39 ... keeping you, well, for, like oh, heroin, like-

Kurt Metzger 18:41 Like say you're not getting high on heroin anymore and-

Joe Rogan 18:43 It just can function.

Kurt Metzger 18:43 ... suboxone doesn't make you high. So you have to take it to function, to get off the-

Joe Rogan 18:47 That guy you're talking about that goes on his lunch break?

Kurt Metzger 18:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:49 That sounds like he was doing just what he needed to feel normal.

Kurt Metzger 18:52 But is this the case with everybody? Because that sounds insane to me, that, i- you would have to be on something for a full year to get over something that... Like, what would it normally be? Like, if you were on those oxys and you quit cold turkey and had horrible withdrawals, how long would you feel like shit for?

Joe Rogan 19:08 Well...

Kurt Metzger 19:10 It'd be a week? A month?

Joe Rogan 19:11 That, okay, so that's probably a week or less just the shitty feeling, but then you're not gonna be right for a couple of months as far as like-

Kurt Metzger 19:17 A couple months?

Joe Rogan 19:18 That's what I've experienced.

Kurt Metzger 19:19 And, like, what was that? Like, when you say, "Weren't right," what do you mean by that?

Joe Rogan 19:24 Just, like, an off. You know, you're burning out, whatever that... I don't know what that receptor is but... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 19:30 It's a good one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:31 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 19:31 The one that makes the heroin.

Joe Rogan 19:32 I beat on it quite a bit.

Kurt Metzger 19:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:34 So it probably... You know, benzos is worst, dude. I think that's the one that like-

Kurt Metzger 19:38 That's the one can kill you.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Well, not just that but I think it affects... People I know that came off that, it affected them for, like, a crazy amount of time.

Kurt Metzger 19:45 So for you, for you it was like cognitive decline, dull feelings-

Joe Rogan 19:49 No energy. Just energy.

Kurt Metzger 19:50 No energy? No energy?

Joe Rogan 19:50 But, well, I wasn't really, uh, like exercising a lot at that point.

Kurt Metzger 19:54 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:54 So that's all-

Kurt Metzger 19:55 That's a factor.

Joe Rogan 19:56 I didn't even realize how much just if you go exercise, like you, the energy. I didn't realize like how much, uh-

Kurt Metzger 20:01 Dude, I say it all the time. Nobody wants to listen 'cause I'm a meathead. It's a real problem.

Joe Rogan 20:05 No, there's a deep like, there's a deep like anger towards the very idea.

Kurt Metzger 20:09 Yeah, there's a deep resistance-

Joe Rogan 20:10 And I remember being like-

Kurt Metzger 20:10 ... towards exercise.

Joe Rogan 20:12 And I remember feeling, um, not like I'm mad at somebody that does work out. But I remember feeling like m- I, I don't, I don't remember why but I remember having that kind of feeling of like-

Kurt Metzger 20:19 It's defensiveness. It's hard to do. That's what it is. When you see something, when someone does something that's hard to... A- also, it's, there's k- it's connected to negative things, jocks, uh, douchey male behavior, which I've been guilty of. But it's not... That's not all it is. Like exercise, like just non-meathead exercise like yoga is fantastic for you.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Yeah. Well, just for-

Kurt Metzger 20:40 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 20:40 Uh, mood stabilizer.

Kurt Metzger 20:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:41 I didn't realize... 'Cause the other thing is, especially the whole time I lived in New York, uh, like I don't think I was getting sun, like, uh... I think I probably have vitamin D deficiency in a big way. Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 20:51 Oh, you 100% do. 100%. If you're not supplementing with vitamin D and you live in like the Northeast-

Joe Rogan 20:57 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 20:57 ... it's the wintertime, you have vitamin D deficiency.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yeah. There e-

Kurt Metzger 21:00 From food? I mean, you don't... What the fuck? What kind of... I think you can get vitamin D from some plants, like small amounts of it from some plants. But I think primarily, you get it from being in the sun, unless you're supplementing.

Joe Rogan 21:12 That's what I did first before I was like, "I'm gonna actually." I was in the sun first and it felt like I got-

Kurt Metzger 21:17 Oh, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 21:19 It's the be- that's the best way too. It's by far the superior way to get vitamin D. Supplementing is just a, um, like, uh, safety measure. (clears throat) But you should supplement vitamin D. It's really important. It's so important for your immune system.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 21:34 According to Ron and Patrick and a lot of other people that know a lot more than I do about it, they say it's not even really a vitamin, it's a hormone. And, uh...

Joe Rogan 21:41 Yeah, I wonder why-

Kurt Metzger 21:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:43 ... you can get it from the sun. (laughs) If it's a vitamin, like it...

Kurt Metzger 21:46 It's pretty crazy, but you know, but it is a vitamin in that you could take it in supplemental form. But it's, um, it's so beneficial for your immune system. They-

Joe Rogan 21:54 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 21:54 At one point in time when they were linking COVID deaths with vitamin D deficiency.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Oh, the thing that four times higher survival rate if you had vitamin D levels that way? Did you see that?

Kurt Metzger 22:03 Yeah, it's really high. And then the, the number of people that were in the ICU, the number of them, it was very high that were deficient in vitamin D.

Joe Rogan 22:12 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 22:12 It's just good for your immune system and it fucking... It's a mood stabilizer too for those poor people that live in Seattle. Like, they need that, that something to fucking juice their mood up.

Joe Rogan 22:20 No, the mood stabilizer, that's the thing that the most I didn't realize how-

Kurt Metzger 22:25 Exercise.

Joe Rogan 22:25 Or how much it w- would, like (laughs) like even out a mood.

Kurt Metzger 22:29 It's a game changer. It's a game changer.

Joe Rogan 22:30 I, it's not that I didn't, I... The reason I had Oxycontin in the first place was I hurt my back when I was working out and then I just had-

Kurt Metzger 22:36 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 22:36 Yeah. So it's not like I didn't know. In fact, I just didn't do it. I hadn't done it for a long... The whole pandemic, I didn't do nothing.

Kurt Metzger 22:43 When you just sit around doing nothing, you feel like shit. It's just normal. It's just like-

Joe Rogan 22:46 You feel stir crazy, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 22:47 It's like oil that's at the bottom of your engine tray just sitting there.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 22:51 It's not getting cranked over. It's not getting used. You just fucking feel gross and your body doesn't know what to do. Your body's like, "Why aren't we doing anything?" Like here's what... You have requirements. Your body wants to do things. The problem is it sucks. Like, you're lazy. You get up in the morning... I get it. I get it. I fucking 100% get it. That's the thing. It's like people think that people who do work out don't feel the exact same way they feel before they work out, 'cause they kinda do. There's most of the time when I work out I don't wanna work out.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Oh, really?

Kurt Metzger 23:20 I just make myself.

Joe Rogan 23:21 I get a, like a compulsive so I'm, then I'm... Like how I would be with like a drug or something. I'll, I'll-

Kurt Metzger 23:26 Oh, so you're just looking forward to it.

Joe Rogan 23:27 I have to not... That's how I hurt myself, 'cause I gotta be like... I don't, I'm not dumb now how I do it. Like I don't do any stupid shit that's gonna injure me, 'cause I'm not, (laughs) I'm not going for just like glory or something. But I would injure myself 'cause I would like try to go too much or, you know?

Kurt Metzger 23:41 Yeah. So that same addictive personality applies to your exercise too. You get obsessive.

Joe Rogan 23:46 Yeah, and then y- you know, it... But n- I, if a couple, like a few days go by and I didn't do anything, I start to feel like a urge that I have to, you know?

Kurt Metzger 23:55 Hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:55 I feel like a-

Kurt Metzger 23:57 Yeah. Yeah, I get those too.

Joe Rogan 23:57 There's probably a lot of mood being held. One of my moods are probably being held together by that.

Kurt Metzger 24:01 Well, I think that's most people.

Joe Rogan 24:03 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 24:03 I think that's the way the human body functions at its most efficient, is when it's in a, a fit condition. I think the mind works better, the hormones work better, the mood works better, the cognitive function works better. All of it works better. The problem is it's just connected to so much douchery. And then it's also hard to do, you know? So like-

Joe Rogan 24:23 There really is a, a eternal high school...

Kurt Metzger 24:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:27 I mean, not just with that.

Kurt Metzger 24:28 Jock-ish.

Joe Rogan 24:28 With everything, where, where... I've never seen it more than now too by the way, in a, in a, of like a petty like... It doesn't matter what anybody's saying. It's like what lunch table do they sit at?

Kurt Metzger 24:40 ... right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 24:40 And would you wanna be at the right table or not?

Kurt Metzger 24:43 Well, b- fucking gyms are weird with that too, right? There's always, like, flexy dudes.

Joe Rogan 24:48 The one I go to is not like that. I mean, it's all... Um, it's West Hollywood, so.

Kurt Metzger 24:52 You can go to a bad gym, though, where, like, people are, like, very bro-ed out. And if you're just not into that, you're just like-

Joe Rogan 24:58 I've never had anybody, like-

Kurt Metzger 24:59 ... all screaming and... I, I mean negative towards other people that are working out there.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Yeah, it's the screaming I never saw.

Kurt Metzger 25:03 Which definitely happens, but, but sometimes people chalk up and they get fucking crazy and they push each other.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Oh.

Kurt Metzger 25:07 Let's go, let's go, let's go.

Joe Rogan 25:09 I've never... I ju-... Now, keep in mind, I just go there to get my dick sucked in the bathroom-

Kurt Metzger 25:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:12 ... and I'm out. (laughs) But I go every day. Sometimes I don't want to, but I do it.

Kurt Metzger 25:17 Which, well, don't, don't say what the gym is. But is it, like, a upscale gym or is it, like, a fucking Gold's Gym type situation?

Joe Rogan 25:23 It's not like Gold's. It's... Oh, should I not say it? Well, I mean, I like it fine.

Kurt Metzger 25:26 Don't say it. Don't say it. They're gonna fucking find you.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Oh, that's true.

Kurt Metzger 25:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:30 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 25:30 They're gonna find you and try to suck your dick. That's what they're... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:34 Oh, guys, don't come to this gym.

Kurt Metzger 25:35 That's what he likes. That's what he likes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:37 No, when you ever have trainers... I just don't wanna be, like, uh, hard sold on a trainer, 'cause I... Like, I go hike by my house and then I do, like, weig-... And I, I don't, like, have anybody even talking to me while I'm doing it.

Kurt Metzger 25:48 Right. Well, there's something to that, right? It's like a meditative thing. You're just doing your work. But you definitely should talk to somebody that can show you good form. That's one of the most important things.

Joe Rogan 25:59 Yeah, right. Well, so-

Kurt Metzger 26:00 Don't get injured.

Joe Rogan 26:01 When I d-... So when I joined, 'cause I was... I remember what I paid before. I forgot the biggest hassle of it is the, the bargaining to not get up-sold on all this shit and just get a basic... So, I looked up already what, like, the price should be, 'cause, you know, they can vary it. And then-

Kurt Metzger 26:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:16 So, I showed a dude on the thing and he's, like... He had me come over and talk to him on a table, and he goes, "Okay, so what are your fitness goals?" (laughs) I'm like, "Jesus, my goal is never to listen to your upsells."

Kurt Metzger 26:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:28 "Ever. I, look, I'm 46, dude. I'm not..."

Kurt Metzger 26:31 Yeah, but you gotta understand-

Joe Rogan 26:32 "I'm a clown for a living."

Kurt Metzger 26:33 For some people, say my-

Joe Rogan 26:35 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 26:35 You know, "I'm an accountant. Um, my wife's been getting on me. I realize I should exercise. It's good for my health."

Joe Rogan 26:40 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 26:40 And you decide to join a place that, "You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get a trainer." That's... When you would sit down with that guy, you would app- appreciate that forethought.

Joe Rogan 26:47 Well, that's a, that's the kind of thing that, uh, is re-... Like, I just don't have a... I know what I want, so if I o-... If I say I don't want it and then you're trying to find a new way in, it's so annoying.

Kurt Metzger 26:56 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 26:56 You know.

Kurt Metzger 26:56 So you told them that you don't want a trainer.

Joe Rogan 26:58 I-... You ever do any retail where you had upsell items?

Kurt Metzger 27:00 Unfortunately, no.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Okay, so I used to work-

Kurt Metzger 27:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:03 I used to manage, uh, uh, Funcoland it was called, when I was, like, 19.

Kurt Metzger 27:07 Is that, like, a kids' playhouse or something?

Joe Rogan 27:09 It became GameStop. It was like-

Kurt Metzger 27:10 Ah.

Joe Rogan 27:11 ... they merged with... Electronic Boutique? But it... So it was like buying and selling video games, right? And you could play them before you bought them. That was, like, a huge deal at the time. And, uh, every retail has upsell shit, so we had to sell cleaners for, like... You know, like, the whole-

Kurt Metzger 27:26 Oh, little air things?

Joe Rogan 27:27 Chch. Yeah, people would blow on their Nintendo cartridges to make them work.

Kurt Metzger 27:31 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 27:31 That-

Kurt Metzger 27:32 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yeah. So the cleaners worked for those. I would say if you were buying an old Nintendo, you, i-... That's the only way it'd probably even work.

Kurt Metzger 27:38 I remember that for VCRs too, right? Head cleaners.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah, people would blow on it, which is, like, worse. It, it... I'm already trying to sell you a cleaner. So, so-

Kurt Metzger 27:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:46 ... they made them for every system, and then you get some kind of warranty with it, and you would, like... So it's, like, 15 bucks, and the, the markup's, like, 200%. So you get a commission, right? And then you have to hit store numbers for the district manager, you know, like, y- you're expected... Because that's how they can be sure you're providing great service. If you don't sell this many, like, 25% sales, we know you're not giving the customers great service, because customers need a cleaner. So if you're giving good, good service, you know, you've bought the cleaner. So it would create, like, this thing where there was, like, just fraud in every store because you gotta-

Kurt Metzger 28:19 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 28:20 You know, if you're managing, you know, the people that are good at, at this bullshit that you put up out front, and some people that are, like, you know, the, the non-social nerds, you have them count shit in the back. But there was always some kind of scam going on because it just created that. Like, you gotta hit these numbers. And it, i- it was amazing though. I, I, I really, uh... I didn't know that that was, like, how everything works. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 28:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:43 Everything is like, you gotta hit these numbers and everybody just, you know, doing whatever con job-

Kurt Metzger 28:46 Well, people need incentive, right? That's like cops. They have... They, they, they give cops, like, a, a certain amount of tickets they have to write every month in some places.

Joe Rogan 28:56 Yeah, right. That's great.

Kurt Metzger 28:57 Which is crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:58 That's a great system that we have, but-

Kurt Metzger 28:59 What would you do if nobody sped ever? What if, like, what if nobody sped-

Joe Rogan 29:04 That would be fun.

Kurt Metzger 29:04 ... everybody followed the rules for, like, one month? What would they do if they really do have a quota? And I know cops have told me-

Joe Rogan 29:10 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 29:10 ... they have a quota.

Joe Rogan 29:11 Right.

Kurt Metzger 29:11 And I know I've read publicly that that's not true.

Joe Rogan 29:14 I think it depends where you are though.

Kurt Metzger 29:16 But I don't know. I don't... It depends on-

Joe Rogan 29:16 What, what township?

Kurt Metzger 29:17 Well, it depends on what's the rule and what do they actually tell you you have to do.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 29:22 Like, is that... Are they the same thing? Like, how does that work?

Joe Rogan 29:25 Well, do you know, uh...

Kurt Metzger 29:27 Let's find out if that's true.

Joe Rogan 29:28 What?

Kurt Metzger 29:28 Because I know... I m- I mean, maybe they stopped doing that. Do cops have quotas for how many tickets they have to write? Let's find out if that's true.

Joe Rogan 29:36 I think they'll be-

Kurt Metzger 29:37 Because I know cops have told me they have it.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Yeah, like, I bet you it varies a lot.

Kurt Metzger 29:41 So, uh, if you have, like, a corrupt sheriff, he's like, "Listen, these motherfuckers."

Joe Rogan 29:46 It's probably not even corrupt. It's like-

Kurt Metzger 29:47 "We're gonna get that money."

Joe Rogan 29:48 It's, like, uh, just... I'm, I'm sure it doesn't even come off as corrupt, even though it's-

Kurt Metzger 29:52 You know what the craziest corruption one they had?

Joe Rogan 29:54 What?

Kurt Metzger 29:54 The... I don't know. I think they still do it in some states, where if you have, like, 10 grand on you, they just take it.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Oh yeah, right. I think that's everywhere.

Kurt Metzger 30:00 So if they pull you over-

Joe Rogan 30:01 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:02 ... and you, you're going to buy a car-

Joe Rogan 30:03 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 30:04 ... and you have $10,000 in cash on you.

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:05 "Fuck you, give me that." And then they spend it.

Joe Rogan 30:09 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 30:09 They, they use it for, like, all these police funds and all these different things.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 30:13 They, they, you know, spruce up the station, "Got ourselves a nice TV, boys."

Joe Rogan 30:16 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:16 And they don't have to give it back for a long time. Like, they go to... You have to go to court for it.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah, right. There's a ton of them.

Kurt Metzger 30:21 To prove-

Joe Rogan 30:22 Wait, what's it called? There's a term for it.

Kurt Metzger 30:24 I don't know, we're friend-

Narrator 30:25 Seizure, uh-

Joe Rogan 30:26 A c-... Asset seizure or something?

Kurt Metzger 30:28 Asset seizure.

Narrator 30:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:29 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:29 So, like, if you're going to buy, like, a fucking '69 Camaro-

Joe Rogan 30:33 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:33 ... and you got 60 grand.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:35 And you're like, "Why do you have 60 grand?" "You don't have 60 grand. We have 60 grand. You have a fucking court case."

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah, that's a lot of money in cash.

Kurt Metzger 30:41 Yeah. Fuck outta here.

Joe Rogan 30:41 It's suspicious for you to just have that.

Kurt Metzger 30:43 Yeah, you're not allowed to have that. What are you gonna do?

Joe Rogan 30:45 It's probably drugs.

Kurt Metzger 30:46 Probably drugs.... isn't that hilarious? Like, if you have so much money, if th- ... That's how lucrative drugs are. (laughs) They assume-

Joe Rogan 30:54 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 30:54 ... that if you have a lot of cash on you, you're selling drugs.

Joe Rogan 30:56 It's basically-

Kurt Metzger 30:56 They don't think you're selling MAGA hats. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:58 Basically what I see is that it's not legal to have a ticket quota. But-

Kurt Metzger 31:02 Regardless of the rumors, ticket quotas are a myth. In fact-

Joe Rogan 31:06 Okay, so it's a tech-

Kurt Metzger 31:06 ... they're illegal in most states, but-

Joe Rogan 31:08 But, I've seen multiple things that say there's like, uh, unspoken ... There's evidence to suggest there's an unspoken-

Kurt Metzger 31:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 ... thing about it. There's always a way around. There's lawsuits about, uh, quotas in California from ex-, uh-

Kurt Metzger 31:21 Mm. It's from ex-police officers.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Yeah. So I don't ... Yeah. 'Cause any job, they're gonna judge you by numbers on the board, right? Like ... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 31:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:27 How much did you-

Kurt Metzger 31:28 Of course. So, it seriously ... Quotas have been prohibited in California for 10 years, but police departments are even now facing lawsuits from their own officers alleging that ticket quotas are real.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Yeah. There's a law about it in Texas.

Kurt Metzger 31:41 So, maybe it's like a thing where they try ... Like, listen man, you want to get ahead in this business?

Joe Rogan 31:48 I'm sure it is something like-

Kurt Metzger 31:49 You gotta sell the cleaner.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Yeah. I think everything is that.

Kurt Metzger 31:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:52 Like, 'cause, you know, there's always a rule. I always hear that about, um ... Who was I watching? I was watching, like, uh, uh ... It's either an FBI or CIA guy, but they were talking about ... Or, I think it was a CIA, IA guy talking about selling coke to fund the contra- ... Something like that.

Kurt Metzger 32:07 Mm.

Joe Rogan 32:07 They're like, "That's illegal." Like, "We're not allowed to do that." And they're like-

Kurt Metzger 32:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:10 You know, the mafia, it was illegal to sell ... You ... It was the death penalty if you were caught selling drugs, and yet somehow-

Kurt Metzger 32:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:17 (laughs) ... they still sold a lot of fucking drugs.

Kurt Metzger 32:19 A lot of fucking drugs.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Very strict penalties. Probably more strict than even, uh, uh, agencies.

Kurt Metzger 32:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:24 They ... Everybody outsources. It's always outsourcing. That's the, the, the ... Every ... Well, we don't do, uh, w- uh, what do you call it, gain-of-function. Like, we don't pay the guy to ... Pay a guy to do it.

Kurt Metzger 32:34 Yeah. We don't do it.

Joe Rogan 32:34 I'm not guilty of that.

Kurt Metzger 32:35 We don't fund gain-of-function.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 32:37 We fund the lab.

Joe Rogan 32:38 Yeah. So, it ... there's always-

Kurt Metzger 32:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:39 ... a way around everything's be- ... Remember when they did the, uh, the, when they got the torture program, and they went to-

Kurt Metzger 32:45 Did you ... Uh-

Joe Rogan 32:46 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 32:46 I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Joe Rogan 32:47 But that was like bringing jobs back to America kinda in a way 'cause they used to, like, send somebody to a country that does do that. And then, uh, w- you know, uh, the second Iraq war when they made it, like, legal. That was what was so creepy about that, was to make it like now we can do it.

Kurt Metzger 33:02 (inhales deeply) Oof. Um, do you remember Michael Rupert?

Joe Rogan 33:06 No.

Kurt Metzger 33:06 Michael Rupert was a friend of mine. He's a really nice guy. He's, like, one of the first guys to g- gift me mushrooms, like-

Joe Rogan 33:14 Okay.

Kurt Metzger 33:14 ... just randomly as a gift. He was a cop who busted the CIA selling crack in South Central and using it to fund the war, the Conscience versus-

Joe Rogan 33:26 Oh. I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 33:27 And he called it out in a courtroom on television.

Joe Rogan 33:30 Yeah. I saw that. It's a v-

Kurt Metzger 33:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:32 I saw a video of it. Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 33:33 Yeah. That's Michael Rupert.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Wait. Is he alive still?

Kurt Metzger 33:36 No.

Joe Rogan 33:37 Oh, yeah. I was gonna say.

Kurt Metzger 33:37 No. He, he wasn't ... I, I don't think it's even suspicious. I think he took his own life. I think he was very depressed.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Yeah. I bet.

Kurt Metzger 33:45 I think, I think he, he was living alone in like a, like a trailer, uh, on a farm somewhere. And he just ... You know. He also was the subject of that movie Collapse. You ever see that movie?

Joe Rogan 34:00 No.

Kurt Metzger 34:00 It's a wild movie, and I don't know what the original premise was, but he sits down, and he smokes cigarettes through this entire film.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 34:10 It's just a guy talking-

Joe Rogan 34:12 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 34:12 ... and talking about-

Joe Rogan 34:13 Oh.

Kurt Metzger 34:13 ... the imminent collapse of civilization-

Joe Rogan 34:16 I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 34:16 ... due to our dependence on fossil fuels, and just wild shit. I don't know how much of it was accurate, but I know it scared the fuck out of a lot of people, and it was, like, a really popular documentary.

Joe Rogan 34:31 I remember it.

Kurt Metzger 34:31 It's worth watching.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 34:32 I mean, someone would have to under- ... Have a, a knowledge of what he's saying, whether or not it's accurate.

Joe Rogan 34:37 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 34:37 But, uh, he ... For sure, this is the film. Here. Play a trailer.

Narrator 34:41 Experience as an investigative journalist, I've broken major scandals going out to try and map how the world really worked as opposed to the way we were told it worked. Our map has proven deadly accurate. My economic predictions. Oh, we had it so right. In 2006, we said, "Get out of debt right now. Check your mortgage carefully." We issued a whole series of warnings. It will be nothing like we have ever seen before. Everything that we said was gonna happen is taking place right now. Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market. It's not that Bernie Madoff was a pyramid scheme. The whole economy is a pyramid scheme.

Joe Rogan 35:21 (laughs) Well, that sounds right. (laughs)

Narrator 35:23 Well, of course-

Joe Rogan 35:23 Listen to this.

Narrator 35:24 ... I've been called a conspiracy theorist, but I don't deal in conspiracy theory. I deal in conspiracy fact. The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike, and nobody can afford to buy that oil, and everything will just shut down. Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources. Nothing grows forever. There is a cycle. Birth, growth, maturation, decline, and death. Cars don't run. The mail stops getting delivered. Planes don't fly. Law enforcement stops working. This is all part of the collapse. If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear. You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.

Joe Rogan 36:12 (laughs)

Narrator 36:12 The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die. You have to believe, not hope, not pray that there's a way out of it, and you're gonna find it.

Kurt Metzger 36:28 He was one of the first guests. Well, you know, back when we were doing guests. First guest that I was very excited to talk to 'cause, you know, as a-

Joe Rogan 36:35 When was this?

Kurt Metzger 36:36 That was a while-

Joe Rogan 36:37 Oh, it came out.

Kurt Metzger 36:37 ... back, man.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Because-

Kurt Metzger 36:38 This is ... Let's play this 'cause this is him on-

Joe Rogan 36:40 No, I re- Okay.

Kurt Metzger 36:41 ... on CSPAN. Play this.

Joe Rogan 36:42 Did you notice Variety and all the comments about how great this movie is?

Kurt Metzger 36:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:46 If that right-

Kurt Metzger 36:47 Imagine today.

Joe Rogan 36:48 Today, they would be like, "This is an insane w- "

Kurt Metzger 36:50 Yeah. It's colonizer talk.

Joe Rogan 36:52 You ... Yeah. Like-

Kurt Metzger 36:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:53 That's the creepiest thing is how much they would've loved that message then.

Kurt Metzger 36:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:56 And, and now while this ... While it eerily sounds (laughs) accurate ... It's like, no. This is crazy talk. It's good.

Kurt Metzger 37:01 Propaganda. Yeah.

Narrator 37:04 ... which, emphatically and without equivocation-

37:05 Can you speak further into the mic, sir? These mics don't seem to be...

37:09 I w- I will tell you, Director Deutsch, as a former Los Angeles Police narcotics detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time. (cheering)

Kurt Metzger 37:18 This is on C-SPAN, in '96.

Joe Rogan 37:23 It's still there. That's where I'm playing it from.

Kurt Metzger 37:27 (laughs)

Narrator 37:31 All right. All right.

37:34 I... I re-

37:35 All right. Obviously, that is an answer for a lot of you. Now, can you please-

37:39 I refer-

37:40 All right. Now, can you please-

37:42 I refer, Dir-

37:43 Wait. Wait, wait, wait. Wait a minute.

37:49 Speak into the mic.

37:54 Okay.

37:55 Calm down. Speak into the fucking mic.

37:55 Here?

37:55 Wait a minute. Speak into the fuckin' mic.

37:57 Wait a minute here.

37:59 We want answers!

38:00 Wait a minute. If you don't like what's going on here, please leave now.

38:05 We do not want you-

38:05 I'll be with you in a second.

38:06 No, no, no. Leave. No, no, no.

38:07 Calm down.

38:07 Leave now because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room. Will you please take your seats? I will come back to you as we rove back across to the center section.

38:21 Where's the mic? Give me a call.

38:23 Director Deutsch, I will refer you to three specific agency operations known as Amadeus, Pegasus, and Watchtower. I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency. I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late '70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country. I have been trying to get this out for 18 years, and I have the evidence. My question for you is very specific, sir. If, in the course of the IG's investigations, and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity-

38:59 Let him speak into the mic first.

39:00 ... and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity or will you tell the American people the truth?

39:09 Woo!

39:17 All right. Do you want to hear the response first from Congressman Julian Dixon-

Kurt Metzger 39:21 I'm in here.

Narrator 39:21 ... and then from the director? Wait. Wait a minute. From your, from your... I am sorry, sir. I will allow the director to speak first, and then congressman-

Kurt Metzger 39:36 Shout out to that lady for taking control by the way.

Joe Rogan 39:38 I mean it.

Kurt Metzger 39:39 Like a boss.

Narrator 39:40 If you have-

Kurt Metzger 39:40 Listen to this.

Narrator 39:41 ... information about CIA illegal activity and drugs, you should immediately bring that information to wherever you want, but let me suggest three places. The Los Angeles Police Department.

40:01 Oh.

40:03 (laughs)

40:04 Please!

Kurt Metzger 40:05 This guy's like some- something from Colombo.

Narrator 40:07 I'm sorry. Others want to hear this answer.

40:12 Stay away from the-

40:13 I am sorry. Others want to hear this answer.

40:16 It, it, it is your choice. The Los Angeles Police Department, the Inspector General, or a office of one of your congress, uh, persons from this-

40:27 I'll tell you what. He told you. He told you.

40:30 I did that 18 years ago, sir, and I got shot at for it.

40:34 He told you.

40:34 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Sir.

40:35 He told you.

40:36 Wait a minute.

40:37 He told you. He told you.

40:38 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Sir.

40:40 And-

40:41 Sir, you have not gotten the mic yet. You are not... But wait a minute then. Don't speak out of turn.

40:47 Let me say something else. If this information turns up wrongdoing, if it turns up wrongdoing, we will bring the people to justice and make them accountable.

41:04 All right. Congressman Dixon.

41:07 Thank you, uh, thank you, sir, for coming.

41:11 Shh.

41:11 Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute here. I thought you did not want to be here. But now that you are here, please let us hear and listen. Thank you very much.

41:24 Uh, sir, I wanna thank you for coming. You were at the last meeting. Uh, the staff probably had the spelling of your name wrong.

41:32 Yeah.

41:32 No.

41:32 But we would like to talk to you. We have been looking for a couple of days for you.

41:40 (laughs)

41:40 And we want to-

41:43 Shh.

41:44 We, we want to make sure that you contact the committee because obviously you have some valuable information. If you want to give it to me privately, if you want to hand it to that aide where I can contact you this evening, please do it. Don't let us get away without getting a contact for you.

42:03 Thank you, sir.

42:04 If you'd like to pass it up to him now so everyone can see that I got it, that would be fine.

42:08 Thank you, sir. And for the record, for the record, my-

42:12 Wait, please.

42:13 Please, please, please keep the noise down so that we can hear and we can get answers.

42:19 For the record, my name is Mike Ruppert, R-U-P-P-E-R-T. I did bring this information out 18 years ago, and I got shot at and forced out of LAPD because of it. I've been on the record for 18 years nonstop, and I'll be happy to give you congressmen anything that I have.

42:33 Thank you, Mr. Ruppert.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Now, if you were cynical-

42:39 Yeah, I'm-

42:40 ... and you're watching that, you're like, "I think the CIA faked a CIA guy."

42:46 Do you think they did?

42:46 To go in there. I mean, if you were playing 4D chess... No, I don't think so.

42:49 I think, like, nowadays-

42:51 I think he's- that's really who he is. I mean, I know the guy.

42:53 Uh, yeah, uh, I was... 'Cause nowadays that, the, I, I forget the one's name, the, what was she? Uh, uh, what was her... Was she a congressperson?

Kurt Metzger 43:03 Um.

Joe Rogan 43:04 That, they said it in the, uh, description.

43:08 ... 'cause I would- she would- I imagine she would be having him taken out of there, so he can't say anything. Like that-

Kurt Metzger 43:12 Today.

Joe Rogan 43:12 That's crazy that you're like, "Hey, let him talk." (laughs) Like-

Kurt Metzger 43:15 Well, back then, there was no internet. You gotta realize, like if-

Joe Rogan 43:17 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 43:17 ... someone actually had information like that, and people suspected it all along, obviously those people weren't shocked.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 43:24 Right? Those people in the audience were like, "What? No way."

Joe Rogan 43:27 Right.

Kurt Metzger 43:27 "They're selling dr-" They were like, "I fucking knew it!"

Joe Rogan 43:30 Yeah. Right.

Kurt Metzger 43:30 Everyone was like, "I fucking knew it."

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 43:32 Like that's what they were yelling out.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Did you ever talk to Rick Ross, the real dude?

Kurt Metzger 43:35 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:36 He had-

Kurt Metzger 43:36 The real Rick Ross. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 43:38 Yeah. Yeah. He was-

Joe Rogan 43:38 That guy's very interesting.

Kurt Metzger 43:39 He was very interesting. He's the guy who was in charge of selling the drugs in South Central-

Joe Rogan 43:44 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 43:44 ... that was funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas.

Joe Rogan 43:48 I- I mean, it's just such a- but anyway, you just- you outsource that, and then you have deniability-

Kurt Metzger 43:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:52 ... or whatever. That's how that works.

Kurt Metzger 43:54 That's how it works. And you can make so much money. Or what would you rather do? Let all these other people make money doing it, these bad people?

Joe Rogan 44:02 Yeah, somebody's gotta make some.

Kurt Metzger 44:02 We have to sell the drugs.

Joe Rogan 44:03 Well, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 44:04 If the CIA doesn't sell the drugs, who's gonna sell the drugs? Criminals.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Also, for a good cause. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 44:08 Yeah. Imagine if that's how they've been like funding things forever.

Joe Rogan 44:12 Well, the-

Kurt Metzger 44:13 Imagine if you found out that that's how they fund the UFO program.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Well, th-

Kurt Metzger 44:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:17 You know- you know what I wonder about that, 'cause that Bob Lazar episode was very creepy when I- when I, uh- I watched the thing ab-

Kurt Metzger 44:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... you know. But to hear him talking about it-

Kurt Metzger 44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 ... it was eerie to hear him talk about it. Anyway.

Kurt Metzger 44:26 It was very confusing, 'cause what he's saying is so out there. You don't-

Joe Rogan 44:32 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 44:32 ... know. I'm like, "Am I a f- I'm definitely a fool, but am I being a fool here?"

Joe Rogan 44:36 Yeah. No, th- that's the little eerie part of it. But then, uh, who would control, like, um ... Do you think the president gets to find out about it, or do you think it's purely-

Kurt Metzger 44:45 Supposedly, Nixon knew, and Nixon took Jackie Gleason.

Joe Rogan 44:48 Yeah, that- I know that (laughs) story.

Kurt Metzger 44:50 And Jackie Gleason built a house out of the shape of the UFO that he saw, like to represent the UFO that he saw. And like, the Jackie Gleason house was for sale just a few years ago.

Joe Rogan 44:59 Mm-hmm.

Kurt Metzger 45:00 It's in like- was it in like Upstate New York? I found out about this from this dude who gave me, uh, the book Best Evidence by David Lifton. He was like a- a guitarist in a band. That's it. That's the UFO-inspired Upstate New York house. Look at his fucking house. So-

Joe Rogan 45:15 Wait, that's not that big a house.

Kurt Metzger 45:17 Well, i- it wasn't that big a house, 'cause he wanted to make it like the fucking UFO. So what it was, was, um-

Joe Rogan 45:22 Oh, I see.

Narrator 45:23 I think it's- I think it's- I think it's multiple properties.

Kurt Metzger 45:24 Oh, I see.

Joe Rogan 45:25 So he just started-

Kurt Metzger 45:26 But one of them looked like a UFO.

Joe Rogan 45:27 ... making UFO houses.

Kurt Metzger 45:27 He- apparently, this is the- the rumor. What the rumor was, was that Jackie Gleason got drunk with, uh, Nixon.

Joe Rogan 45:35 Mm-hmm.

Kurt Metzger 45:35 And Nixon's like, "You wanna see a fucking flying saucer?"

Joe Rogan 45:37 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 45:37 He's like, "Yes." And then they flew to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I believe-

Joe Rogan 45:42 Right.

Kurt Metzger 45:42 ... was the rumor, and they showed him like, "We have actually recovered-"

Joe Rogan 45:44 Like they had freezers of- of them, right? They had 'em in freezers.

Kurt Metzger 45:47 I don't know if that's real.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Uh ...

Kurt Metzger 45:48 I- I've never heard anybody say that they saw a body and have it be like 100% credible.

Joe Rogan 45:55 Mm-hmm.

Kurt Metzger 45:55 Other than maybe that Travis Walton guy who claims to have been abducted in the 1970s.

Joe Rogan 46:00 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 46:00 He's ano- another one of those guys. Like wh- if he's telling the truth. Okay, "There were a number of labs we passed through before entering a section. Nixon pointed out what he said was the wreckage of a flying saucer-"

Joe Rogan 46:10 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 46:10 "... enclosed in several large cases. Next, we went into an inner chamber. There were six or eight what looked like glass-topped Coke freezers inside them with the mangled remains of what I took to be children." Oh, that's right.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah, that's the thing I remember from this story.

Kurt Metzger 46:23 So I- I'm- I'm conflating this with something else. So that's right. They did have fucking supposedly dead frozen ones. "The revelation of the US secretary holding the corpses of dead aliens shook Gleason to the core, and he couldn't eat or sleep for weeks. After being confronted by his wife, Beverly, Gleason told her the truth about that night and swore her to secrecy, but Jackie and Beverly Gleason were already in the process of separating. The final straw in the relationship would be Beverly breaking her vow and revealing the encounter to the magazine Esquire in 1974 as a teaser for a book she was writing about her relationship with the tempestuous, hard-drinking Jackie." Oh, the wife sold him down the river.

Joe Rogan 47:05 I wonder what that article ... So that article was this- where this story first came out?

Kurt Metzger 47:09 Yeah, I guess so. And, "Stung and humiliated by the betrayal, Jackie stayed silent until 1986. Finally ready to talk, he invited Larry Warren, a flying saucer evangelist, author, and eyewitness to the Rendlesham ..." Oops. Fucking pop-ups. No, I don't want your pop-up. No, thanks. Thank you. Where were we? Mm, da-do-do-do-do-do-do. Uh, '86. Um, "... eyewitness to the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident to his New York home. After a few drinks, Gleason unloaded the whole unbelievable tale to an astonished Warren, who spread the story amongst his community. However, the story would end there. Gleason died a year later, having only told his ex-wife and Warren about the once-in-a-lifetime adventure with Nixon. The tale would spread like wildfire with the advent of the internet, confirming what UFO believers already knew: the government knows everything about aliens, but reveal it only to the privileged few." Huh.

Narrator 48:09 That's not true.

Kurt Metzger 48:10 Okay. Of course, because, uh, this bec- uh, because this is the blog of Skeptoid and not Believe Everything ... Oh, this is Skeptoid that wrote this.

Joe Rogan 48:19 Oh.

Kurt Metzger 48:20 Uh, you read on the Internoid, "The story doesn't end there. In fact, there really is no story. The Richard Nixon/Jackie Gleason dead alien chronicle in a glass case tale now accepted part of UFO internet lore is based almost entirely on hearsay, coincidence, or an imagination, and not just the dead alien children in the glass pa- case part." Wait a minute. Why do they say that? Uh, du-du-du-do-do-do.

Joe Rogan 48:46 Wait, was the Esquire magazine-

Kurt Metzger 48:47 What is their reasoning for saying that it's not true? They're saying it's anecdotal, which is obviously it's anecdotal. Scroll up a little bit more. Up to ... Yeah. So it says, "As critical thinkers, we can't dismiss a story out of hand because it's preposterous, but we can dismiss a story if the facts don't fit together." Aha. "So let's start with the established facts. Richard Nixon, Jackie Gleason, Beverly Gleason, and Larry Warren were all real people. Beverly and Jackie Gleason were really married, got divorced in '74, '75. Jackie and Richard Nixon are friends and played golf on a few occasions. Jackie was an enthusiast about paranormal topics with a huge collection of books on the subjects. Uh, Florida is a real place. Homestead Air Force Base. Esquire is a real magazine." That's about it. Uh, "A little investigation into Nixon's daily diary..."... uh, reveals that Nixon was in Key Biscayne in February 19- 1973 for a meeting with the AFL-CIO. He spent less than 40 minutes speaking and glad-handing with guests at Gleason's annual golf tournament at the inv- uh, Inveraray... Inveraray? Inveraray Golf and Country Club, which... Uh, at most, 10 minutes available to chat with Gleason about UFOs. Nothing else in Nixon's diary indicates that the president did or didn't slip his Secret Service detail and go on an alien adventure with Ralph Cramden. But that doesn't mean he didn't do it.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 50:03 It just means he didn't write about it in his diary. Why would he write about that in his diary? Uh, where the story really starts to fall apart is Beverly Gleason's interview with Esquire, because it doesn't appear to exist. Interesting.

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah, that's what I wondered.

Kurt Metzger 50:14 The search of both Esquire's archives and internet in general turned up nothing. Hmm. What did turn up, however, was an article supposedly written by Beverly from the National Enquirer, dated August 16th in 1983. "Discerning readers will note that the Esquire and the Enquirer have different thresholds for veracity and adjust their expectations accordingly." That's a very good se- sentence right there.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Yeah. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 50:37 That's very well, well-worded.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 50:39 Oh, so it seems like there was no Esquire article, so that's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Yeah, the Enquirer back then-

Kurt Metzger 50:45 Uh.

Joe Rogan 50:46 ... I remember being closer to Weekly World News than... 'Cause Enquirer became, like, celebrity gossip entirely, right?

Kurt Metzger 50:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:51 When I was a kid, I remember it having wilder stuff in it.

Kurt Metzger 50:54 Okay. In short, the piece makes Jackie look like a lunatic, befitting a spurned wife writing a tell-all about her famous ex-husband, but the book wouldn't show Jack as he's never been seen before to anyone, because Beverly never published it. The Gleason UFO story got picked up by a few other tabloids, but mostly faded into obscurity. So, here's the thing, though. Um, you could, for sure, imagine that his ex-wife wanted to sell a book.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 51:24 You could also, for sure, imagine that Jackie would try to stop that book from being sold?

Joe Rogan 51:29 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 51:29 So there's the... There's that. Like, maybe he bought her out? Maybe... You know, like, how do we know-

Joe Rogan 51:34 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 51:34 ... that she didn't actually write a book? Now, that's also... Because Nixon didn't write about it in his diary, that doesn't... If, if Nixon's the fucking kinda guy who likes to get drunk and take people to see UFOs-

Joe Rogan 51:45 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 51:45 ... he's not gonna be meticulous about every fucking thing-

Joe Rogan 51:48 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 51:48 ... he does all day long. And you don't think that they could hide that?

Joe Rogan 51:51 I like that back then, he was only, like, really open about recording his racist rants and not-

Kurt Metzger 51:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:56 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 51:57 But, dude, back then, f- fucking Lyndon Johnson used to take a shit in front-

Joe Rogan 52:01 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 52:01 ... of the reporters with the door open.

Joe Rogan 52:03 So he could see how big his dick was?

Kurt Metzger 52:05 Well, he was just... Like, he didn't give a fuck. And, like, he would have a conversation with us, "Oh, I've got a conversation with y'all."

Joe Rogan 52:10 Yeah, take a power move.

Kurt Metzger 52:10 "But I gotta take a shit."

Joe Rogan 52:11 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 52:11 So he would sit there with his fucking pants down, take a shit in front of them.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 52:15 A guy like that-

Joe Rogan 52:16 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 52:16 ... whatever his fucking diary says, that's probably not all that happened. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:21 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 52:21 There's probably a fucking UFO in that diary somewhere.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Do you think... (laughs) Do you think LBJ would record that he took a shit in front of reporters? (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 52:27 Yeah, "Well, took a shit in front of reporters, just to let them know how big my cock is."

Joe Rogan 52:32 That supposedly was-

Kurt Metzger 52:33 He was the president.

Joe Rogan 52:33 ... he had a thing with that, because he had, like, a huge d- and he would try to, like-

Kurt Metzger 52:36 Sure.

Joe Rogan 52:37 ... like, f- uh, I still remember-

Kurt Metzger 52:38 They said Rodney had. Rodney had a giant dick, too.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Dangerfield?

Kurt Metzger 52:40 Br- yeah, and he used to do, uh, shows with a bathrobe on.

Joe Rogan 52:43 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 52:43 Just only a bathrobe.

Joe Rogan 52:45 Really?

Kurt Metzger 52:45 Naked under a bathrobe. He would go out in front of the fucking... I saw him live like that.

Joe Rogan 52:49 How did, how did he get the word out?

Kurt Metzger 52:50 When I was a, uh, uh, I was a body g- what was I? A- a security guard, um, at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts when I was 19.

Joe Rogan 52:58 (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 52:59 And, uh, I was backstage, and, and, uh, he was working there. And I couldn't believe I could actually see him. I would s- I would look down the corridor-

Joe Rogan 53:07 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 53:07 ... and I saw r-... I couldn't believe it. It's Rodney Dangerfield.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 53:11 It's really Rodney Dangerfield. It was one of those things as a kid, you're like, "Fuck, he's right there?"

Joe Rogan 53:15 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 53:15 Like, as a 19-year-old, I'm like, "That doesn't even make sense."

Joe Rogan 53:17 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 53:17 I saw Bill Cosby there.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Oh, I thought you were gonna tell me you saw his dick. Uh, uh...

Kurt Metzger 53:20 No, no, no, I didn't see his dick. But he was wearing a fucking bathrobe. So this was during the bathrobe days. There's a, a part in, uh, Rodney Dangerfield's career when he had just made it and didn't give a fuck, and he was still partying hard.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Was this after Go Back to School? Or-

Kurt Metzger 53:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:33 ... yeah.

Kurt Metzger 53:33 It was after the big movies.

Joe Rogan 53:35 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 53:35 And he would do stand-up, and just go out there with a fucking bathrobe on. This was also, like, when he was putting together the Rodney Dangerfield stand-up specials.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 53:43 Which were the most important stand-up specials-

Joe Rogan 53:44 Yum.

Kurt Metzger 53:45 ... ever. They introduced the world to Bill Hicks-

Joe Rogan 53:47 Yep.

Kurt Metzger 53:47 ... Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Dom Irrera, uh, Lenny Clarke.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Oh, yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 53:54 Who else? Wasn't Jerry Seinfeld on those two?

Joe Rogan 53:56 I think so?

Kurt Metzger 53:57 I think so. I'm not sure. Seinfeld might have already been... He, I think he was already really popular by then. But, y- y- you, you look back on the Da- the Dangerfield ones. Like, if you got on that Dangerfield special, that was a fucking stamp of approval.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Yum.

Kurt Metzger 54:10 Like, "Holy shit, you're on the Dangerfield special?"

Joe Rogan 54:13 When wa- when was that?

Kurt Metzger 54:14 That was a big deal.

Joe Rogan 54:14 What was that, 80s?

Kurt Metzger 54:16 Those are, like, '86-ish? 'Cause I think Kinison really popped in '86, and so-

Joe Rogan 54:21 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 54:21 ... uh, it was around that time. 'Cause I remember he was, he, he was fucking murdered on that special. Hicks killed on that. Dice, murdered on that special.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 54:30 Those m- those specials, there was a couple of them. They were so big, 'cause it-

Joe Rogan 54:33 They were HBO?

Kurt Metzger 54:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 54:35 And r- Rodney Dangerfield's Young Comedians Special. And you knew that, like, if those guys came to the fucking Catch a Rising Star-

Joe Rogan 54:41 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 54:41 ... and the Improv, you had to go see them.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yup.

Kurt Metzger 54:44 You know? That's how I found out about so many comedians that became some of my favorites. That and the fucking Tonight Show. People forget, The Tonight Show used to be how you found out about a good comic.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Wait, did I tell you Keyboard Jeff from Comedy Store? You know Jeff that passed away?

Kurt Metzger 54:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:00 The sto-... He told me a story. And I think this has, like, been verified (laughs) on a podcast. But, uh, the Richard Pryor Jr.... They were doing coke with Richard Pryor Jr., fucked Sam Kinison up the ass, 'cause Sam Kinison said, "I gotta know what it's like to be fucked by Richard Pryor Jr." And then he did. And I think Richard Pryor Jr. has told this on a podcast.

Kurt Metzger 55:19 Hm, I would imagine that's possible.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Yeah, I mean...

Kurt Metzger 55:22 Sure.

Joe Rogan 55:23 That's a wild...

Kurt Metzger 55:24 If you're doing coke, people get crazy.

Joe Rogan 55:26 And you surpass the comedy legacy of your father? (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 55:29 Into his asshole. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:33 ... how do you tell-

Kurt Metzger 55:33 Imagine thinking you can get it through DNA.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 55:36 Imagine if it was that easy. Yo- you... Like, talented sperm would be so valuable.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Uh, uh, like wh- like horse sperm kind of-

Kurt Metzger 55:44 Richard Pryor Jr. slept with Sam Kinison. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 55:46 Laugh at first sight. So this is someone telling the story.

Narrator 55:51 Yeah. Uh, there's a couple other, there's a couple other links for that, so...

Kurt Metzger 55:54 Well, there you have it, folks.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 55:55 We've proven that much more than we've proven the Jackie Gleason UFO thing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:59 If only we had that kind of... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 56:02 That kind of anecdotal evidence.

Narrator 56:05 That actually ends with him saying it could be true. That, that whole skeptical thing.

Kurt Metzger 56:08 The Jackie Gleason thing?

Narrator 56:09 Yeah, it says there's four possible answers for this and-

Kurt Metzger 56:12 Okay.

Narrator 56:12 ... one of the four was that it could be true.

Kurt Metzger 56:14 Yeah, that is a possibility.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Elvis was a DEA agent after meeting with Nixon.

Kurt Metzger 56:18 But this... You see, this is the thing. After we, we talked... We- we're talking about, uh, Bob Lazar. And after I've talked to him and then I've, I've seen all his... All the interviews that he's done, I've talked to the detractors and I've listened to their, their take on things. I think he worked there, man. I think-

Joe Rogan 56:35 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 56:35 ... for sure he worked there. Whether or not he worked there on something that actually came from another planet, that's where it gets weird. Pe- people who work there, for sure, remember him. Y- They've, they've t- they've told people they remember him. Like, they've... He v- he knows his way around the buildings. Even Los Alamos lab. He knows his way around the buildings.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 56:57 Like, he knows... H- he knows how to navigate the place.

Joe Rogan 56:58 So who would know... Like, who would know about it? That's the thing I always wonder is, like, was it... O- okay, Nixon, I guess? (laughs) If you-

Kurt Metzger 57:04 He said he never worked at Los Alamos, but he was on the fucking, the, the employee register from, like, from that year. If you can go there and you can find this.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 57:11 So they lied.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Yeah, that... Well, that makes it suspicious when... Like, why do you need to lie about a guy who is making it up?

Kurt Metzger 57:18 I think he, they, he thought they were going to take him out, so he spilled the beans as hard as you could spill the beans.

Joe Rogan 57:24 I- it really is, uh... 'Cause that, you know, that guy we just watched on C-SPAN, he, th- you don't have to come kill you. He can come just make you...

Kurt Metzger 57:32 Make you look nuts.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Yeah, and if you just learn about things, it's awful. Like, I started smoking more weed while I was watching that C-SPAN thing. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 57:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:40 It really is a horrible-

Kurt Metzger 57:41 It's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 57:42 Learning is hor-... I don't recommend it.

Kurt Metzger 57:44 I know. That's the thing. You're working with Jimmy Dore now, and because you're working with Jimmy Dore, Jimmy's c- constantly exposing insane corruption that no one's talking about. Constantly.

Joe Rogan 57:53 It-

Kurt Metzger 57:53 And constantly calling people out.

Joe Rogan 57:55 It's all shit that I wouldn't know about 'cause nobody, uh, talks about it-

Kurt Metzger 57:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:59 ... ever. There's, there's-

Kurt Metzger 58:00 You don't hear about it.

Joe Rogan 58:01 It really is... And it's stuff that... It's the regular... The weird thing, I was telling Jamie, is it'll be a report on something and then I'll notice the other news tha- news, uh, YouTube and elsewhere reporting on it later, like, four months later they're talking about it.

Kurt Metzger 58:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Like, an embargo's been lifted when you're allowed to review the, the... It, it, it's really-

Kurt Metzger 58:21 Yeah, when things get to a point where they're so prevalent in the news that you kinda have to address them now.

Joe Rogan 58:26 There's a thing where if you wanna have access to, to the people, you're gonna have to be, like, doing part PR for them-

Kurt Metzger 58:33 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:33 ... or you're out of the club. So all these people that he's had on... This is what I like about him, is all these people he's had on, if they don't do the thing they said, he brings it up. He doesn't politely-

Kurt Metzger 58:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:44 You know, th- he doesn't do any of that team shit where you're supposed to, like-

Kurt Metzger 58:47 No.

Joe Rogan 58:48 "I know this is a lie, but we have to go with it because the, the bad people could win." Like...

Kurt Metzger 58:52 They all do that.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 58:53 And that's not journalism. It's... You can't get it from those forms anymore because they're, they're holding water for so many different entities.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yes.

Kurt Metzger 59:02 It's, it's so hard for them to just spit facts. And I think the way you two guys do it together is so refreshing 'cause it's, like, true... Like, you go over facts and details and then you're constantly cracking jokes. It's like-

Joe Rogan 59:16 Yeah. Well, I'm li- I-

Kurt Metzger 59:16 There's levity to it.

Joe Rogan 59:18 I'm kinda just like, well, I'm doing, like, just watching it, laughing. It's a- a- it-

Kurt Metzger 59:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:22 It creates an effect, I think, to have a laugh-y guy. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 59:25 Well, it's also, it's a perfect... Your, your type of joke writing-

Joe Rogan 59:28 Right.

Kurt Metzger 59:28 ... is, like, perfect for that kinda shit.

Joe Rogan 59:31 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 59:32 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 59:32 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 59:32 It's like it syncs up with you... You're a quick-

Joe Rogan 59:35 Well, if I give him, if I give him stuff, uh, a- l- 'cause I like to have more time f- to, for my first angry thoughts to at least try to marinate into clevers 'cause they don't come out-

Kurt Metzger 59:45 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 59:45 But he's good at delivering, like-

Kurt Metzger 59:47 Angry and funny at the same time.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Yeah, he's very good-

Kurt Metzger 59:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:50 ... at delivering that. So it works-

Kurt Metzger 59:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:51 ... like, i- it's a good... Rather than, like, tweeting.

Kurt Metzger 59:54 Right. That's the worst way to do it.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Yeah, it's probably the worst way to do it as well.

Kurt Metzger 59:58 It's just... And all context is lost. Everything's lost. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 And it's also like an inform-... You know, when they talk about people wanna take your information. Th- I didn't really understand. It doesn't just mean, like, a corporation. I mean just all kinds of people looking to see if they can find something that they could, like, make a name for talking about that you tweeted.

Kurt Metzger 1:00:18 Oh yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 So there's alwa- also that. And it, there's a-

Kurt Metzger 1:00:20 Well, that's a whole ecosystem now, calling people out for things. It's an eco-

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:00:24 It's an ecosystem. There's people that only do that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 There's a whole business being destroyed right now. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 1:00:28 Yeah. Well, the... But there's people that that's all they do. Like, all the... You want some more of this?

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:00:32 That's all they do is call people out. That's, like, th- that's their only contribution.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Well-

Kurt Metzger 1:00:37 You know, which is great if you're-

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 I can't believe how much that became the real news.

Kurt Metzger 1:00:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Because they don't pay for p-... They don't wanna pay to do, you know, journalism, so they just... All the people that just got their start doing that moved up through the ranks into real news.

Kurt Metzger 1:00:49 Yeah. Bizarre. And then it functions like real news. That's how real news functions. And also, you know, when the rise of these independent things like Jimmy's Show and, uh, Crystal and Kyle and Saagar, you know, these people who are trustworthy. Like, you could, you could count on them to give you information. They have opinions and perspective and they might have their own biases, but they're not liars. And th- they don't own... They're not owned by-

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Well, a lot of them, a lot of them do get money f-... You'd be sur-... (laughs) It's been very surprising who gets money from what since I've been, uh, at Jameson.

Kurt Metzger 1:01:24 I don't think any of those guys do. The guys that I just mentioned.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Well-

Kurt Metzger 1:01:27 Jimmy doesn't.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 All the Ukraine stuff, especially... Th- here's what's really, really creepy to me, is, uh, they all... It's all, like, slow to mention how fucked up the Ukraine situation is. And the o- the other really eerie thing is-... I remember this before I did anything with Jimmy's show, like in 2018, they were constantly reporting on, like, Ukraine's got a Nazi problem. That was a huge- (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 1:01:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 ... on all the major things, they would say-

Kurt Metzger 1:01:52 And corruption. Deep, deep corruption.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Yeah. And so now, if you look in New York Times, we, he showed it, the celebrated Azov battalion. They've even dropped saying the Nazi part.

Kurt Metzger 1:02:04 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Did you see the thing of Jon Stewart-

Kurt Metzger 1:02:06 No.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 ... hanging the medal on the Nazi's neck at Disney World with a Mickey Mouse behind him?

Kurt Metzger 1:02:10 No. What?

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 (laughs) Yeah, that's one of the ones we did. The guy covered it up though. It was cool.

Kurt Metzger 1:02:14 Oh, were you talking about sketch?

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 No. This is-

Kurt Metzger 1:02:15 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 In real life.

Kurt Metzger 1:02:17 Hold on. Explain that. What did you...

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 It was for a, it was like the warrior games at Disney World, and a hero, an Azov (laughs) hero, w- won, like best, best guy on the team. I don't know how there's time to go to Disney World, but Jon Stewart hangs a medal on his neck, and he's got a red, in the photo he's got a red thing covering it up. It's one of those black sun, you know, the Himmler, I think it's like the occult thing, right? He's got that on his elbow.

Kurt Metzger 1:02:41 What?

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 So, yeah. That's a very... Oh, there he is in the h- w- yeah, okay, that's the guy. But look at the picture of the guy in the hospital with (laughs) look at, he's a sweet, sweet make a wish kid with a black sun.

Kurt Metzger 1:02:55 Is that real?

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 Yeah. The thing is creepy is this is, this, all the regular news reported this up until abruptly now it doesn't come up. Which I can understand if, like, we were at war, right?

Kurt Metzger 1:03:07 So he had something covering up his arm?

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 Yeah, see he's got a thing covering it up 'cause-

Kurt Metzger 1:03:11 So he had a thing to cover up his tattoo?

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 Yeah, but-

Kurt Metzger 1:03:14 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 I mean, holy shit. Walt Disney's dream coming true. (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 1:03:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:03:22 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 Is that wild?

Kurt Metzger 1:03:22 Well, did you ever see the thing that happened with Candace Owens?

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 No.

Kurt Metzger 1:03:26 Where Candace Owens was talking about how corrupt the New York Times is. So the New York Times tried to play gotcha with her.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Oh, really?

Kurt Metzger 1:03:31 And they said, uh, "What, you know, what are you referring to? Like, what references?" And she goes, "Your own fucking newspaper." (laughs) And she sent them all these links from like 2017-

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Oh, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:03:41 ... from the New York Times talking about how corrupt-

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 1:03:43 ... Ukraine is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Dude, it, it, there's like a...

Kurt Metzger 1:03:46 When, when a narrative shifts (snaps fingers) like that, and you don't say, "What Russia is doing is absolutely horrific."

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Yeah, right.

Kurt Metzger 1:03:52 No, no if, ands, or buts about it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Right.

Kurt Metzger 1:03:54 But this is a place that is also, like those people don't deserve that, the people that are citizens there, they don't deserve bombing. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is like, the government has always been criticized there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:04:07 And now it's not.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 No, now it's n- of, w- it's, this is my favorite-

Kurt Metzger 1:04:11 Totally turned around?

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 ... I've heard this line three times, like, "Yeah, it's corrupt, but they're trying." I've heard that over and over again different-

Kurt Metzger 1:04:16 Well they don't deserve, they don't deserve to be attacked. Like I think, th- there's a lot of parts of that fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Yeah, there shouldn't be a, uh, uh, uh, none of this should be happening-

Kurt Metzger 1:04:24 None of this should be happening.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 ... but there's some kind of proxy thing here. It's very weird that we spent more on this than Russia spent (laughs) doing the invasion. We now surpassed what Russia has spent.

Kurt Metzger 1:04:33 But what about this FTX thing?

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Oh, yeah, well-

Kurt Metzger 1:04:37 That's where it gets crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 Wh- which I love is, they're all reporting on like how could this happen, like you know he would play League of Legends while he's on the phone doing a $20 million deal.

Kurt Metzger 1:04:46 (laughs) Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 And the, and then, who was it, Goldman Sachs? Somebody was like, "I love this kid." They all think it's great. Uh, and then how could they think-

Kurt Metzger 1:04:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 ... it's great? 'Cause he's a f- rich kid with connected parents. It's not, if he was just some jerkoff off the street who looked like that-

Kurt Metzger 1:04:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 ... they wouldn't be like, "Oh, this is great."

Kurt Metzger 1:05:01 Well his mom was a big, uh, Democratic Party, uh, operative, right? Wasn't she something along those lines?

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Yeah, also MIT, the guy at the SEC that he would talk to was an MIT professor.

Kurt Metzger 1:05:10 Hold on, go back Jamie. What did, what did you just show me?

Narrator 1:05:12 Uh, hold on. I was trying to find the actual thing and that wasn't it, but this is what he was talking about.

Kurt Metzger 1:05:15 "Crypto's biggest crash saw guy playing League of Legends while luring investors." So while he's looking for th- (laughs) he was playing this fucking game-

Narrator 1:05:23 Yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:05:23 ... while he was talking to the investors? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 If you just pay a bunch of money-

Kurt Metzger 1:05:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 ... to the media, just, which what he did, they'll just write things about how great you are. How-

Kurt Metzger 1:05:31 That's the other thing, he donated-

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 He was a jerkoff.

Kurt Metzger 1:05:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 They'll write you're, 'cause there's only two kinds of stories. My friend I used to work with, she told me it's either puff, uh, uh, uh, outrage, it's like puff pieces or hit pieces. That's all they do. 'Cause that's the way the, that's how you get people to look at it and whatever. That's all they can do.

Kurt Metzger 1:05:46 And so you can bribe these companies to do puff pieces?

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 That's what he did.

Kurt Metzger 1:05:51 Isn't that wild?

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 The guy from, uh, Shark Tank that they asked him, he's like, "I'd work with him again." The guy that-

Kurt Metzger 1:05:57 Well I think he was actually one of the guys that got paid too.

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Of course.

Kurt Metzger 1:06:00 I think he's one of the spokespeople, wasn't he?

Narrator 1:06:02 Yeah, he is.

Kurt Metzger 1:06:03 Kevin O'Leary?

Narrator 1:06:04 He had, he had to give some fun disclosures on that video where he's like, "Before we get started on this, let me tell you that all my business accounts are involved in FTX and I've invested in it and all my goodness."

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Dude, there's a video of him on Shark Tank tearing apart some guy who brought a Ponzi scheme to him.

Kurt Metzger 1:06:17 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 In fact, when I see it, I think it's Coffeezilla almost then?

Kurt Metzger 1:06:20 Maybe he believed in this kid.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Yeah, I bet he does, it's just if you know the right people and you're, that, his brother works with like a GAP or something? A Guard Against Pandemics. Every single thing that you would see... (laughs)

Kurt Metzger 1:06:33 Did you see what the young lady said? She posted it on Twitter about ho- regular amphetamine use.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Oh, the chick?

Kurt Metzger 1:06:39 Making people see, make life's, what does she say?

Narrator 1:06:42 I didn't see that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 Um-

Kurt Metzger 1:06:42 Makes real life seem silly?

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Uh, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:06:44 See, see if you, see if you can find out what her post was, but she was talking on Twitter about how, uh, consuming amphetamines on a regular basis-

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Yeah, yeah.

Kurt Metzger 1:06:53 ... here it is, made non-medicated life seem dumb. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 Oh, no shit?

Narrator 1:06:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 It was, did, but you see the obvious, the obvious things they're saying?

Kurt Metzger 1:07:02 (laughs) Look it, what a fucking, look it, nothing like regular amphetamine use to make you appreciate how dumb a lot of normal non-medicated human experience is. That is a hilarious thing to say from someone who in April 5th of 2021 is responsible for how much money? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 Dude, th- th- it, but you know what's crazy? They're all whacked out on-