Joe Rogan Experience #1927 - Forrest Galante

1. 0:00 – 1:15

   Forrest’s TV adventures and the “Ozark howler” mystery

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) What's up, buddy?

   4. FGForrest Galante0:13

      Hey, bro.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Still alive. You are still alive. This is a truthful title to this book.

   6. FGForrest Galante0:17

      That's true. (laughs) It's ridiculous-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      (laughs)

   8. FGForrest Galante0:18

      ... but it's true. And it's catchy-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      (laughs)

   10. FGForrest Galante0:20

       ... that's the whole point. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Dude, I watched your show the other day, the, uh, the television show. What is the television show?

   12. FGForrest Galante0:25

       Mysterious Creatures?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yes.

   14. FGForrest Galante0:27

       The new one? Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       And you, you, you were looking for some wolf thing?

   16. FGForrest Galante0:30

       The, uh, red wolf.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Yes.

   18. FGForrest Galante0:31

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       But they didn't think it was a red wolf. They thought it was, like, some mystical beast.

   20. FGForrest Galante0:34

       A howler. An Ozark howler.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       I was like, "Oh my goodness."

   22. FGForrest Galante0:37

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Which, you know, I mean, wolves do howl.

   24. FGForrest Galante0:40

       Yeah. No, that was, that was an interesting story. If you look at the timeline from when this cryptid, this, this howler popped up, it's right when the red wolf was starting to plummet in its numbers.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Mm-hmm.

   26. FGForrest Galante0:51

       And as soon as wolves plummet, they call to each other, right? They howl.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Ah, that makes sense.

   28. FGForrest Galante0:56

       So it's like, "Oh, we're hearing this thing and this spooky thing that we've seen running around the woods." And it's like, well, yeah. It's wolves trying to find each other.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Oh.

   30. FGForrest Galante1:03

       And it happened to also overlap with when moonshining was, like, a big deal, so they perpetuated the rumor of the howler to keep people outta the woods.
2. 1:15 – 1:54

   Which cryptids feel plausible? Thylacine and the giant ground sloth idea

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      Is there any cryptid that you find compelling?

   2. FGForrest Galante1:20

      Just the, I think we talked about it before, the megatherium, the giant ground sloth in Peru.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:24

      Yeah.

   4. FGForrest Galante1:25

      I, that's the only one... I mean, depends what you define as cryptid, right? Like, I'm not a Bigfoot guy or a Loch Ness monster, but thylacine could be considered a cryptid, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:34

      Yeah, because it was alive, we do have video footage of it, and there's been a bunch of sightings.

   6. FGForrest Galante1:39

      Yes, but now you have all these Bigfoot-esque people, right? All these sort of tinfoil hat guys who are like, "It's here! I've seen it," or whatever.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      (groans)

   8. FGForrest Galante1:47

      And so it's, like, started to fade into this cryptid realm, and I still think that in Papua New Guinea they, there could be an extant population.

3. 1:54 – 3:58

   Why Papua New Guinea might still hide thylacines

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      Why in Papua New Guinea?

   2. FGForrest Galante1:56

      So they used to range... We got right into this.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      Yeah.

   4. FGForrest Galante1:58

      This is great, by the way. (laughs) So they used to range from PNG, from New Guinea, all the way down to Tasmania, and then as people came over, they brought dingoes with them, right? And this was like 4,000 years ago. And then the dingoes out-competed the thylacine in mainland Australia and, in theory, in Papua New Guinea, but dingoes were never introduced into Tasmania, which is why they, thylacine, occurred for so much longer in Tasmania.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      Mm-hmm.

   6. FGForrest Galante2:21

      However, why in Papua New Guinea is because it's such a dramatic habitat. There's so many, like, valleys and canyons and things that, that dingoes just probably couldn't traverse. That would mean that there's isolated, unexplored areas that the thylacine ha-... because it had evolved there, could still be thriving with- without the competition.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      Mm-hmm. And for people who don't know what a thylacine is, it's a Tasmanian tiger.

   8. FGForrest Galante2:45

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:46

      It's a-

   10. FGForrest Galante2:46

       It's a marsupial-

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       Yeah.

   12. FGForrest Galante2:47

       ... wolf, crazy jaw, stripes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       Crazy jaw?

   14. FGForrest Galante2:50

       Cr-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Like really wild-looking...

   16. FGForrest Galante2:52

       180 degrees.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Yeah.

   18. FGForrest Galante2:53

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Cool-looking animal.

   20. FGForrest Galante2:55

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       Look at that thing.

   22. FGForrest Galante2:56

       So when you talk about, you know, cryptids and blah, blah, blah, I still think that these animals could be out there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       Didn't you go looking for one at one point in time?

   24. FGForrest Galante3:04

       Twice. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       Twice?

   26. FGForrest Galante3:05

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       And did you have any sightings or any, at least, I mean, a- amongst the people that you were around, or any credible reports?

   28. FGForrest Galante3:12

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       Nothing?

   30. FGForrest Galante3:13

       Well, reports, yes. I mean, there's a guy named Nick Mooney who is, like, an incredible... That's Benjamin, the last living thylacine in the, in the zoo in Hobart, Tasmania. Um, guy named Nick Mooney who's, like, a, a state biologist, like world- like renowned naturalist and biologist who has no reason to make this up or anything, and he swears that he saw one in Tasmania about-
4. 3:58 – 6:14

   How you’d actually search for a rare predator (and why it’s so hard)

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:58

      Uh, wh-... How would one even do a survey of those areas? If you're, you're talking about, like, rainforests and tropical jungles and g-... just dense, wooded areas. How would one even find what's in there?

   2. FGForrest Galante4:13

      And for the most part, unexplored, too, especially when it comes to PNG and Western Papua. Um, well, that's the thing. I think that's the barrier to entry, right? Anybody can go to Tasmania, drive down a highway, and be like, "Oh, I looked and I didn't find it," which is basically (laughs) what I did. But to get into those places that they could be extant requires helicopter support, refuels, tons of local ground support, you know, like local hunters and tribal people that know the land, and so it's a big, expensive operation to try and get into these places. And then, so that's just getting in. Then you'd pepper it with trail cameras.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   4. FGForrest Galante4:47

      Baited cameras, you'd do some scent trailing, some sound calling, you know, all these... I mean, you're a hunter. You know these-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      Yeah.

   6. FGForrest Galante4:52

      ... techniques.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:53

      Well, it's interesting because we know that mountain lions are real, but most people don't ever see a mountain lion.

   8. FGForrest Galante4:59

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:00

      And a lot of people that live in, like, these heavily wooded areas don't see mountain lions.

   10. FGForrest Galante5:05

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Like, it's hard to find one, and they're everywhere. They-

   12. FGForrest Galante5:08

       They live in our cities.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Yeah.

   14. FGForrest Galante5:09

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       There's a shit ton of 'em.

   16. FGForrest Galante5:10

       Yeah. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       So you might l- get lucky and catch one, but the populations are pretty great in terms of, like-

   18. FGForrest Galante5:16

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       ... like, if you're in Colorado or if you're in Utah, I mean, they have a lot of mountain lions.

   20. FGForrest Galante5:22

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       And it's very rare that you see one.

   22. FGForrest Galante5:23

       Exactly.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       So imagine if there was a very small population of mountain lions, or ex-... you know, or Tasmanian tigers, and you know, you went looking in a much more wooded area-

   24. FGForrest Galante5:32

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       ... much more dense environment.

   26. FGForrest Galante5:34

       Much larger, too. You know-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:35

       Yeah.

   28. FGForrest Galante5:35

       ... huge swaths of-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:36

       Yeah.

   30. FGForrest Galante5:37

       ... unpopulated land. A- and if they were intelligent and cryptic like a mountain lion, which they probably were because they were at the top of the food chain, they know and they choose not to be seen, like-
5. 6:14 – 9:17

   Orang Pendek, questionable videos, and how misidentification happens

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:14

      What do you think of the Orang Pendek?

   2. FGForrest Galante6:17

      I think it's interesting. Have you ever seen that motorcycle video, where the guy's on the motorcycle and he sees-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      Yes.

   4. FGForrest Galante6:22

      ... the little guy run across?

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Yeah.

   6. FGForrest Galante6:24

      So that's supposed to be Orang Pendek, right? And so-

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:27

      Well, let's see if we can find that.

   8. FGForrest Galante6:28

      Sure.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      That, that one is weird, because...

   10. FGForrest Galante6:31

       Th- yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Yeah.

   12. FGForrest Galante6:32

       There you go.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       So here it- like, th- is that real? S-

   14. FGForrest Galante6:35

       It's so... And, and is this a kid?

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       That looks fake.

   16. FGForrest Galante6:38

       You know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       That looks so fake.

   18. FGForrest Galante6:39

       Well, that, that one looks over-embellished, but if you watch the actual video...

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       Let's just show the video some more.

   20. FGForrest Galante6:44

       Um, yeah, so this is the video I've seen. I think that we love humanoids. Like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       Yeah.

   22. FGForrest Galante6:50

       ... as a species, we love the idea-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       Just play the video.

   24. NANarrator6:52

       It's not, it doesn't play. It's all still frames.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       All of it?

   26. NANarrator6:55

       It's all someone talking about this. It's not the video.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Oh.

   28. NANarrator6:57

       I just clicked on the first frame.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Well, that looks so fake. (laughs)

   30. FGForrest Galante6:59

       Yeah, it does.
6. 9:17 – 13:32

   Ancient humans, Bigfoot lore, and the psychology of “wanting to see it”

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      Yeah, if you, uh, think about that, um, that, uh, island of Flores, though. That's where things get interesting. Like, when they-

   2. FGForrest Galante9:25

      Mi- Mia Flores, right?

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:26

      Y- well, the Homo floresiensis.

   4. FGForrest Galante9:29

      Yes, mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      How do you say it?

   6. FGForrest Galante9:31

      Uh, I'm not sure. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      Flore- I think it's Homo floresiensis.

   8. FGForrest Galante9:34

      Floresiensis. Yeah, I'm not sure.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:35

      Floresiensis. Um, but that's the, the little hobbit person that they've-

   10. FGForrest Galante9:39

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       ... confirmed lived alongside people as recently as, I for- I forget how long ago it was.

   12. FGForrest Galante9:45

       Like 8,000 or 10,000 years ago or something like that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       Something... They think it was fairly recent.

   14. FGForrest Galante9:49

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       Like, within, you know, within, like, after the Ice Age.

   16. FGForrest Galante9:53

       Yeah, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       Which is pretty crazy.

   18. FGForrest Galante9:54

       Yeah. I mean, you know, and, and there are, across the human species, there are so many diverse-looking cr- cultures and tribes and peoples, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       Mm-hmm, yeah.

   20. FGForrest Galante10:03

       We're all humans, but, you know, Aboriginal people, African people, Indonesian people, Asian people. We all look different, you know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       Yeah.

   22. FGForrest Galante10:10

       And we all have these own distinct characteristics. And so, to think about, you know, imagine being a Westerner or, or whatever, being an Indonesian, like in that video, and then you see someone who looks so different than your own culture and you're not expectant of it. It's very easy-

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:26

       Yeah.

   24. FGForrest Galante10:27

       ... to let your imagination turn into this whole other species, this cryptic thing, versus, like, maybe this is someone from a different tribe who's in a different area.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       Mm-hmm.

   26. FGForrest Galante10:36

       I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying it's, it's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       And then there's also, they keep finding new extinct species of humans, right? Like Denisovans-

   28. FGForrest Galante10:44

       Yeah. Yep.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:45

       ... and all, I think there was another one that they found recently that they're trying to figure out what it is. But they're very human-like-

   30. FGForrest Galante10:52

       Right.
7. 13:32 – 17:44

   Predators are chaos: wolves, reintroduction, and naïve nature romanticism

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:32

      Yeah, yeah. But I mean, the, you know, the, the wolf thing is interesting, because it's like, you know, they're re-introducing wolves in different parts of America. Now they're, they're trying to do it to Colorado.

   2. FGForrest Galante13:44

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:45

      And it's like, uh, b- I hope you guys know what you're doing. Because y- this idea that you're going to be able to control their populations once you reintroduce 'em-

   4. FGForrest Galante13:53

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:53

      ... you're not gonna.

   6. FGForrest Galante13:54

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:54

      You're not even gonna find 'em.

   8. FGForrest Galante13:55

      Ri- correct, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:56

      Yeah.

   10. FGForrest Galante13:56

       And I mean, you know, like, we've seen a wolf pack, I'm blanking on the name of it now, but it's moved all the way down from Washington through Oregon. Now it's all the way to central California.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:04

       Mm.

   12. FGForrest Galante14:05

       Right? San Luis Obispo County, central California has had-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       Really?

   14. FGForrest Galante14:08

       I don't think they're resident, but they've dipped in, because we have tracking collars on them, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Wow.

   16. FGForrest Galante14:12

       So they've come all the way from Washington, all the way through Oregon-

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:16

       San Luis Obispo.

   18. FGForrest Galante14:17

       Isn't that wild?

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       Wow.

   20. FGForrest Galante14:18

       Yeah. Um-

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       They're amazing.

   22. FGForrest Galante14:21

       Incredible. And they are helpful to the environment, you know? They do fill a role-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       Sure.

   24. FGForrest Galante14:25

       ... and they, they out-compete the coyotes and, you know, their population's insane.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       They'll also kill your kids.

   26. FGForrest Galante14:29

       They'll also kill your kids (laughs) .

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       Yeah.

   28. FGForrest Galante14:30

       They can, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       I mean, they, they are fucking predators-

   30. FGForrest Galante14:33

       Yeah.
8. 17:44 – 26:00

   Hermits, wartime holdouts, and what survival does to people

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:44

      Well, mentally ill people do wind up moving to the woods.

   2. FGForrest Galante17:48

      It's happened.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:48

      Yeah, I mean-

   4. FGForrest Galante17:49

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:49

      ... it happens all the time. I remember there was this one guy who was famous, uh, in Maine for ... he was a legend that he would break into people's houses-

   6. FGForrest Galante17:58

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:59

      ... and steal their stuff. And, um, then they found out that he was a real person, and he, he, he had dropped outta society in like the 1970s-

   8. FGForrest Galante18:10

      Huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:10

      ... and just decided to completely live by himself. Like, he didn't talk to people for decades.

   10. FGForrest Galante18:16

       Oh, wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       And he was by himself alone in a tent-

   12. FGForrest Galante18:20

       Huh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       ... in the woods, and he would just steal stuff from people's houses when they weren't around.

   14. FGForrest Galante18:24

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       Yeah, and l- like-... live off of whatever he found or ate. And I, I don't know, like, what his, uh, like, woodcraft was like. Is this it? Stranger in the Woods, yeah. This is the story.

   16. FGForrest Galante18:35

       Sounds like it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       "For 27 years-"

   18. FGForrest Galante18:37

       That's wild.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       "... Christopher Knight lived alone in a clandestine wooded camp in a tiny... in, in tiny Rome." I don't know what that is. "Undiscovered and unaided, breaking into camps to steal what he needed to survive. When he finally captured and arrested in April 20- 2013, the story of the North Pond Hermit-"

   20. FGForrest Galante18:55

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       "... made headlines worldwide. But Knight spoke only to one journalist, Michael Finkel. In an exclusive excerpt from his new book, Finkel explains the origins of the whispered myth that haunted Central Maine for decades, the legend of the Stranger in the Woods."

   22. FGForrest Galante19:12

       That's pretty cool.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       It's interesting that-

   24. FGForrest Galante19:13

       It is kinda cool. It's cool. He, like, did his own-

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       Yeah.

   26. FGForrest Galante19:16

       Look, I mean, I'm sure he had all kinds of, probably, issues, right? But-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Oh, yeah. For sure.

   28. FGForrest Galante19:20

       But he lived his own... Like- (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:21

       He made his own path. He lived off of stuff. It reminds me, have you ever heard of the, the Japanese survivor in Guam? Have you heard about that story? Yes, I did. Yeah.

   30. FGForrest Galante19:28

       Yeah. So, from my understanding, during World War II, there was a crash in Guam, and, uh, it w- from a dog fight. And this Japanese pilot or, or guy who was in the plane went and hid in a cave up on a mountain in Guam. And he spent until, like, 2002 living in this cave, thinking that World War II was continuing, and he thought he had a better life living in a cave and living off of the jungle because Guam is like a hub for, I think, United or Delta, one of the major airlines. So, all these planes are coming in and out every day and he thinks-
9. 26:00 – 31:44

   Carnivore diet, food culture, and why ‘taste’ now dominates eating

   1. FGForrest Galante26:00

      Um, last time I, we hung out, you were doing pure carnivore.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:03

      Yeah.

   3. FGForrest Galante26:04

      How is that?

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:04

      I'm doing that now.

   5. FGForrest Galante26:04

      You're doing it now?

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      (smacks lips) Yeah, because it's January.

   7. FGForrest Galante26:07

      Oh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:07

      January is World Carnivore Month. I don't who fucking made that up, but yeah.

   9. FGForrest Galante26:11

      Why not?

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       I, I mixed in a little fruit. I eat fruit because I find when I don't do that, and I, I did straight carnivore for the first few days-

   11. FGForrest Galante26:19

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       ... like I think like the first eight or nine days. But it was, uh, it's hard to, I was slogging through workouts.

   13. FGForrest Galante26:26

       Just no energy?

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:27

       Yeah.

   15. FGForrest Galante26:28

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:28

       Like, like just a b- and they say there's an adjustment period, just like keto. You know, they call it like the, uh, if you've ever done... Have you ever done the keto diet?

   17. FGForrest Galante26:37

       Uh, not for more than like a week at a time. (smacks lips)

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:39

       (clicks tongue) It takes a while-

   19. FGForrest Galante26:40

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:40

       ... to really get your body to turn ketogenic.

   21. FGForrest Galante26:42

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:43

       And, uh, to start burning fat instead of carbohydrates. And it's, um, there's a thing they call the keto flu, where it feels like-

   23. FGForrest Galante26:49

       Hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       ... almost like you got the flu, where you're like, "Ugh."

   25. FGForrest Galante26:51

       That sounds awful.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:52

       Not really like the flu. It's a bad way of describing it. It's more like you're not well-rested.

   27. FGForrest Galante26:57

       Gotcha, gotcha.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       (smacks lips) So, like, when I would work out, I would like have to really push through these workouts.

   29. FGForrest Galante27:03

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       Like, you feel like you're missing a gear.
10. 31:44 – 40:19

    Aggression, allergies, and wild-field mishaps (wasp sting story)

    1. FGForrest Galante31:44

       Yeah. So let me ask you this, and if you've covered this kind of stuff before, by, by all means, we can skip over it.Do you get more aggressive when you're on the carnivore diet?

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       (smacks lips) I, I think you do.

    3. FGForrest Galante31:54

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Yeah. Why? If ... Well-

    5. FGForrest Galante31:56

       Well, you think about-

    6. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       ... why do you ask that?

    7. FGForrest Galante31:57

       ... carnivores worldwide, right?

    8. JRJoe Rogan31:59

       Yeah.

    9. FGForrest Galante31:59

       Taking humans out of the equation, just pure carnivores-

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:02

        Mm-hmm.

    11. FGForrest Galante32:02

        ... lions, wolves, so on and so forth, there's definitely a correlation between the need to eat meat and the drive for eating meat, right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:09

        Mm-hmm.

    13. FGForrest Galante32:09

        And that drive comes from aggression, right?

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:12

        Yeah.

    15. FGForrest Galante32:12

        That's why they're fighting, that's why they're in competition, that's why they're at the top of the food chain, right? So this is a personal theory that's grounded in nothing, but I would think when you're eating nothing but meat, which is going to spike your testosterone, it's going to make you feel and act more like a carnivore and less like a bl- an omnivore, right? And be more aggressive-

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:31

        Yeah.

    17. FGForrest Galante32:31

        ... and be more dominant. I don't know. I me- a- again, you've had people on the show far more qualified, but, uh, it's just thinking as a biologist who kno- who's studied carnivores, you see that aggression comes from a place of ... It's, it's cyclical.

    18. JRJoe Rogan32:45

        Yeah.

    19. FGForrest Galante32:45

        The food makes them aggressive. The e- the aggression makes them require- acquire food.

    20. JRJoe Rogan32:49

        Yeah. I, I, I f- I noticed that the first time I did it.

    21. FGForrest Galante32:52

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan32:52

        The first time I did it, the very first carnivore mon- month, I noticed, I was like, "God, I'm getting a little aggro."

    23. FGForrest Galante32:58

        (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan32:58

        You know? But I also wonder, um, because that was when I went very strict carnivore. And I was having a really hard time working out.

    25. FGForrest Galante33:06

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan33:06

        Like, my workouts d- were pretty diminished.

    27. FGForrest Galante33:09

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan33:10

        And I think maybe I wasn't exerting enough energy-

    29. FGForrest Galante33:12

        Interesting.

    30. JRJoe Rogan33:13

        ... because my body's very accustomed to working out really hard almost every day.
11. 40:19 – 48:46

    Candiru, parasitic wasps, cordyceps, and the horror-show side of nature

    1. FGForrest Galante40:19

       Well, d- while we're on the dick hole con- conversation, do you know about the candiru?

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:23

       Yes.

    3. FGForrest Galante40:23

       Okay.

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:24

       Yeah.

    5. FGForrest Galante40:24

       Do you know how they have to get it out?

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:26

       Y- no.

    7. FGForrest Galante40:27

       Okay. So for those that don't know-

    8. NANarrator40:28

       Just so you know, I didn't make it up.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:29

       Chinese boy (laughs) 12 shoved a thermometer down his ... Look at it, look, look how they write thermometer in all capital letters-

    10. NANarrator40:35

        Brother. (laughs)

    11. FGForrest Galante40:35

        Yeah. (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:35

        ... down his penis, needs it surgically removed from his bladder-

    13. FGForrest Galante40:39

        Ugh.

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:39

        ... after pushing it too far.

    15. NANarrator40:41

        Dude, Danny.

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:42

        Oh, Jesus.

    17. NANarrator40:43

        He, he dealt with it for nine hours.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:44

        But look at this.

    19. FGForrest Galante40:45

        (laughs)

    20. NANarrator40:45

        We're told, anybody.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:45

        "Boy opted to insert the object into ..." He opted.

    22. NANarrator40:49

        Opted.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:50

        Ah. He opted.

    24. NANarrator40:51

        I suppose it's-

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:52

        It's like, you know, choosing your insurance policy.

    26. FGForrest Galante40:54

        (laughs)

    27. NANarrator40:55

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:55

        He opted to insert the object into his urethra. A risky practice. It's risky. It's called sounding.

    29. FGForrest Galante41:01

        Yeah. Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:02

        It's got a name. So it's so common. People are so crazy that they're just been stuffing stuff up their dick, so it-
12. 48:46 – 52:44

    Ant superorganisms and invasive species work on the Channel Islands

    1. FGForrest Galante48:46

       Yeah.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:46

       'Cause like, if you see like, leafcutter ants-

    3. FGForrest Galante48:48

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:48

       ... which I have in my neighborhood, leafcutter ants' colonies-

    5. FGForrest Galante48:52

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:52

       ... that they have underground, where there's these-

    7. FGForrest Galante48:53

       Incredible.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:53

       ... sophisticated-

    9. FGForrest Galante48:54

       Yep.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:55

        ... systems of ventilation-

    11. FGForrest Galante48:57

        Yep.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:57

        ... and they're, they're l- literally fermenting leaves down there. It's like, "What?"

    13. FGForrest Galante49:01

        I know.

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:01

        How do you know? How are you doing this?

    15. FGForrest Galante49:03

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:03

        How are you building a village?

    17. FGForrest Galante49:04

        And, and, like, some ma- uh, like, just recently, I saw this thing where these ants made a rope to cross this like, big bit-

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:10

        Yes.

    19. FGForrest Galante49:10

        Did you see that?

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:11

        I saw that.

    21. FGForrest Galante49:11

        That little dangly rope?

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:12

        It's incredible.

    23. FGForrest Galante49:13

        It's incredible. Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:13

        They linked arms.

    25. FGForrest Galante49:14

        Yeah, they literally-

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:15

        Someone's gonna drown. Someone has to go down.

    27. FGForrest Galante49:17

        They have to.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:18

        I mean, if you think about that, when they let go-

    29. FGForrest Galante49:19

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan49:20

        ... like, some shit is not... Like, everyone's not gonna make it.
13. 52:44 – 55:41

    Island rewilding and eradication: pigs, helicopters, and the Judas goat method

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:44

       The Channel Islands, I think it's the Channel Islands, used to be a big bow hunting destination.

    2. FGForrest Galante52:49

       Yeah. Oh, yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan52:50

       Yeah, 'cause they used to have a bunch of different, uh, species that someone had brought over there at one point in time, like elk and deer and all-

    4. FGForrest Galante52:57

       Yep.

    5. JRJoe Rogan52:58

       ... and they killed them all, like, from a helicopter.

    6. FGForrest Galante53:00

       So, there was elk on Santa Rosa.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:02

       Mm.

    8. FGForrest Galante53:02

       And then Santa Cruz, which is the biggest one, had sheep and pigs. Um, I think goats as well back in the day. And then, y- you know, even Catalina still has bison. And, uh, for a while, they opened up-

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:13

       Oh, but they're like- they're like farmed, right? They're not wild.

    10. FGForrest Galante53:14

        Yeah. They're not wi-... I mean, they're like semi-wild, right? They-

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:17

        Hmm.

    12. FGForrest Galante53:17

        ... they just reproduce, but it's all very managed. Um, but for a while, they opened up like, tag hunting, like, come out and get your elk and get your pig.

    13. JRJoe Rogan53:25

        Yeah.

    14. FGForrest Galante53:25

        But then eventually the state just said like, "It's... We gotta do something about it." And it w- this was kind of interesting. The pigs on Santa Cruz Island... Have you heard about the Judas goat? Do you know what that is?

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:35

        Yes.

    16. FGForrest Galante53:36

        Yeah. So, they did-

    17. JRJoe Rogan53:36

        Explain that.

    18. FGForrest Galante53:37

        Yeah, the Judas goat is what happens when you can't...

    19. JRJoe Rogan53:40

        They did it in Galapagos, right?

    20. FGForrest Galante53:41

        I think so.

    21. JRJoe Rogan53:42

        Is that where they first did it?

    22. FGForrest Galante53:42

        I think that might be where it started, but, um, the Judas goat is a process in which, say you're trying to eradicate goats from an island. Well, the goats wake up. They get, they get aware that there's a helicopter buzzing overhead and somebody's shooting 'em, and they all start scattering and getting scared, and it becomes harder and harder to get the last 10%. So, 10% of the work is eradicating 90% of the animals, and then 90% of the work is getting the last 10% of the animals. So, they do this thing called a Judas goat, where they go and catch a goat, put a collar on it, and then let the goat go. And the goat finds its friends 100% of the time, and they mow down all of the other animals and leave the Judas goat, who then pops over to the next group of goats.

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:20

        Mm.

    24. FGForrest Galante54:20

        So, you're a real shitty friend if you're the Judas goat. (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:23

        Or you're just dumb as shit and you're being manipulated by people.

    26. FGForrest Galante54:26

        True.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:26

        I think they castrate 'em too.

    28. FGForrest Galante54:28

        Yeah, I'm sure.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:28

        Yeah.

    30. FGForrest Galante54:28

        I'm sure, yeah. But, um...Anyway, yeah, so the Channel Islands, they, they got rid of all the sheep, got rid of the goats, if there were goats, I'm not sure. Turkey, a few other things. But they couldn't get rid of the pigs, and so they brought in hunters for a while. They opened it up. Pig guys came and shot them, and then they tried to get guys, like, I think actually from here, from Texas, to come and fly and shoot the pigs and stuff. And the Channel Islands, Santa Cruz Island in particular, is so canyonous and difficult, they're having a really hard time, and for whatever reason, they brought in these helicopter pilots from New Zealand who fly the fjords down there.
14. 55:41 – 1:05:11

    Disease reshaping civilizations: smallpox, LiDAR discoveries, and the ‘managed’ Amazon

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:41

       Well, I mean, that's crazy, but, uh, maybe it's even crazier, the fact they brought smallpox as well and killed 90% of the Native Americans.

    2. FGForrest Galante55:48

       Yeah, that's-

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:49

       That's nuts.

    4. FGForrest Galante55:50

       That's a little worse. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:51

       Yeah. When you tell people that, when, 'cause so many people, m- most people are aware there was a genocide of Native Americans.

    6. FGForrest Galante55:57

       Sure.

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:58

       But most people are not aware that most of it was due to disease.

    8. FGForrest Galante56:01

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:01

       When I had explained that to someone, that it was 90% of the people were killed by smallpox, they're like, "What?"

    10. FGForrest Galante56:06

        And it was purposely introduced disease. Correct?

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:08

        I don't believe so.

    12. FGForrest Galante56:09

        Oh, it just came-

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:10

        Yeah, uh-

    14. FGForrest Galante56:10

        ... with people?

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:11

        Yeah, it just came with people.

    16. FGForrest Galante56:12

        Interesting.

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:12

        I mean, I don't think they really understood how to introduce diseases back then.

    18. FGForrest Galante56:16

        I see.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:16

        Like the idea that they thought that you could have it on a blanket and-

    20. FGForrest Galante56:20

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:20

        ... introduce it. I don't think that's true. I think that-

    22. FGForrest Galante56:22

        Oh, interesting.

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:22

        Let's find that out. I believe that myth has been busted. But they know now that that's what killed off the Mayans.

    24. FGForrest Galante56:30

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:30

        Like, 'cause there was always this big mystery. Like, where'd the Mayans go?

    26. FGForrest Galante56:33

        Where did these people go?

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:33

        They have this incredible civilization, it's so complex-

    28. FGForrest Galante56:36

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:36

        ... and mimic the cosmos in their architecture. There's no evidence that the scheme worked. The infect-

    30. FGForrest Galante56:42

        Oh, this is regarding the blanket. Yeah.
15. 1:05:11 – 1:14:23

    COVID aftershocks: media fear, incentives, and downstream harms

    1. FGForrest Galante1:05:11

       You know, I, I remember distinctly thinking ... Well, at first, I think I told you, might have told you this story. When COVID hit, I was in Indonesia and I was like, "This is stupid. It's like bird flu. It'll all be over in 10 days." And boy was I wrong.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:05:21

       Yeah.

    3. FGForrest Galante1:05:21

       Um, but I remember shortly after that distinctly thinking like this might be the beginning of the collapse, right? Like this could be where human population collapses. Like this is the plague-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:32

       Mm-hmm.

    5. FGForrest Galante1:05:32

       ... that the planet has been waiting for. This is our, this generation of smallpox, but it, it obviously ... Science and medicine overcame that at too fast of a rate, and it really wasn't that lethal, but-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:43

       Well, it wasn't the ... It was the fact that it wasn't lethal.

    7. FGForrest Galante1:05:45

       Right, right, right.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

       Even if science and medicine didn't do anything, it wasn't gonna kill everybody off.

    9. FGForrest Galante1:05:49

       True, true, but I remember thinking ... 'Cause there was a lot of hysteria around it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:52

        Yes.

    11. FGForrest Galante1:05:52

        You know, I remember thinking maybe this is it, but I guess-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

        Yeah, me too.

    13. FGForrest Galante1:05:54

        ... my point being do you think that that's gonna happen again?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:57

        It certainly could.

    15. FGForrest Galante1:05:58

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:58

        I mean, it has before. It probably will again. I mean, I was scared of it, too, in March of 2020.

    17. FGForrest Galante1:06:03

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

        I thought, "Oh my, oh my God, it's going down."

    19. FGForrest Galante1:06:05

        Right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:06:06

        When they were shutting the country down-

    21. FGForrest Galante1:06:07

        Totally.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:06:07

        ... I was like, "Jesus Christ, we're living in a movie."

    23. FGForrest Galante1:06:09

        E- everything, right?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:10

        Yeah. Yeah.

    25. FGForrest Galante1:06:10

        You couldn't go into a hospital. You couldn't like visit a grocery ... Like everything, it felt like the whole world was collapsing.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:15

        The problem is there was an irresponsible level of fear that was promoted-

    27. FGForrest Galante1:06:22

        Agreed.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

        ... by the media because the media has an interest in getting you to pay attention to what they're saying.

    29. FGForrest Galante1:06:28

        Right.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:28

        And that irresponsible level of fear, the problem with that is like even if they know what they're doing, they know that it's propaganda, people get sucked in-

Episode duration: 2:36:44