Joe Rogan Experience #1936 - Krystal Ball & Saagar Enjeti

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)

   3. KBKrystal Ball0:12

      All right. Now, the first time we did this, my hair was fucked up the whole time.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   5. KBKrystal Ball0:15

      And neither one of y'alls told me about it, so I hope we're better friends now.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      (laughs)

   7. KBKrystal Ball0:23

      (laughs)

   8. SESaagar Enjeti0:23

      You just don't say a word.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Is that recorded?

   10. SESaagar Enjeti0:25

       Has he?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Did you record that?

   12. SESaagar Enjeti0:26

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       We should leave that part in. (laughs)

   14. SESaagar Enjeti0:27

       I was just like, "You look beautiful, Krystal."

   15. KBKrystal Ball0:29

       (laughs) I know. I watched it afterwards and I was like, "What the fuck?"

   16. SESaagar Enjeti0:30

       Well, mine was fu- mine was fucked up too, you know. Look at the whole...

   17. KBKrystal Ball0:32

       Yeah, but... Okay, number one-

   18. SESaagar Enjeti0:34

       Yeah.

   19. KBKrystal Ball0:34

       ... it's different.

   20. SESaagar Enjeti0:34

       Yeah.

   21. KBKrystal Ball0:34

       Number two, I had like... This piece was like...

   22. SESaagar Enjeti0:37

       (laughs)

   23. KBKrystal Ball0:37

       ... protruding.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       I've been bald, like shaved head, for like 13 years now or something like that.

   25. SESaagar Enjeti0:42

       Yeah. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       So I don't even think about it.

   27. KBKrystal Ball0:44

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Like, your hair's fucked up. I'm like, "Who cares?"

   29. KBKrystal Ball0:47

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah, no. I get it though. I get it. Sorry.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   And you guys are…

   1. KBKrystal Ball15:00

      and you're basically not allowed to say, "Hey, how does this end? What do we need to do to try to get to a negotiated settlement here? How do we avoid having a conflict with this nuclear-armed superpower?" World War III seems like a bad thing to have on the table right now.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      And you guys are one of the few voices of reason that will say that, that agree bo- on both sides of the fence.

   3. SESaagar Enjeti15:24

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      And this is, this is a thing that I... There's a lot of videos out now, and I don't know if these people get these videos, but I get them. I get these videos of horrible war encounters-

   5. KBKrystal Ball15:37

      Yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      ... in, in, in Russia and Ukraine. It's, it's horrendous. And it brings me to this thing that I, I think about a lot, because I think about things that other people do for a living in their jobs, and I think about, like, they live in a world that I don't understand. You know, there's like-

   7. SESaagar Enjeti15:54

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:54

      ... the ch- like I'm fascinated by professional chess players. They live in a world that I don't understand, because I don't play chess.

   9. KBKrystal Ball15:59

      Hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       I love the fact... I kind of know how the pieces move, but I've really only played, like, maybe 10 times my whole life.

   11. KBKrystal Ball16:04

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       I l- there's a thing that people have. It's a quality of being a human being. You only know what you know, and other things become, like, these sort of, like, uh, ethereal narratives.

   13. SESaagar Enjeti16:18

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       They're not necessarily real. And war is one of them.

   15. SESaagar Enjeti16:20

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       War is one of them. There's a thing that people... The way my friends who've served talk about war is so titanically different-

   17. KBKrystal Ball16:31

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       ... than the way people who ideologically support or disavow it. Like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about if you say, "There's no need for a military." You're crazy. We are going to get subjugated. Someone will come here with men with guns. If you take away all the guns that everybody has and no more military, we're fucked. And if you don't think that, it's because you've never gone to the, the dark parts of the world, or you've never gone on Telegram. I'll send you some videos.

   19. KBKrystal Ball16:56

       (laughs)

   20. SESaagar Enjeti16:57

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       I saw, I saw a guy get killed with a hammer yesterday.

   22. KBKrystal Ball16:59

       Jesus.

   23. SESaagar Enjeti17:00

       I, I, I... Yeah, this is-

   24. KBKrystal Ball17:01

       Jesus.

   25. SESaagar Enjeti17:01

       ... so important for people to understand, which is that we are 75 years removed from what war on the European continent actually looks like. And, you know, Joe, I'm the same way.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       One lifetime.

   27. SESaagar Enjeti17:09

       I've been on fucking LiveLeak, you know, since I was like 12-

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Yeah. (laughs)

   29. SESaagar Enjeti17:11

       ... which is probably bad for you. But, you know-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Terrible for you.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. Right. …

   1. KBKrystal Ball30:00

      right, uh, let's not talk about that.

   2. SESaagar Enjeti30:02

      Yeah. Right.

   3. KBKrystal Ball30:02

      Let's talk about Hunter Biden and his laptop, and of course, the Democrats. We had, um, Ted Lieu congressman on.

   4. SESaagar Enjeti30:06

      Yes. Yes.

   5. KBKrystal Ball30:06

      That, this is back in the old days at The Hill at Rising, but I'll never forget.

   6. SESaagar Enjeti30:10

      (laughs)

   7. KBKrystal Ball30:10

      We were pressing him on Hunter Biden and these boards that he was on and the money he was getting, whatever. He's like, "People sit on boards, and they get paid money." Like, it was so part-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      Jesus Christ.

   9. KBKrystal Ball30:19

      ... of the Washington, like the water that they swim in.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Yeah.

   11. KBKrystal Ball30:23

       He couldn't even conceive that it was a problem. I mean, now, it may not be illegal, but that's an issue (laughs) in and of itself, the fact that he could just hand-wave away that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Well, it's semi-legal.

   13. KBKrystal Ball30:35

       The, yeah.

   14. SESaagar Enjeti30:35

       Oh, no, it's just straight legal.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Yeah.

   16. SESaagar Enjeti30:36

       But I mean...

   17. KBKrystal Ball30:37

       It, yeah. (laughs)

   18. SESaagar Enjeti30:37

       That's the, that's the crazy part. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       I, it's, it's legal-

   20. KBKrystal Ball30:39

       It's sketchy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       ... but it's sketchy.

   22. SESaagar Enjeti30:40

       Yeah. Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Yeah.

   24. KBKrystal Ball30:41

       Yes. But to your point about, you know, censorship and the, like, total lack of willingness to challenge your own side's narrative. Uh, did you just see this, uh, Columbia Journalism Review report that came out about Russiagate? Saagar and I were looking at it.

   25. SESaagar Enjeti30:53

       Oh, it's fantastic.

   26. KBKrystal Ball30:54

       It's really long, in-depth. I mean, it's overdue, right? It's like way after the fact. But I think this is one of the first certainly mainstream, and CJR is as mainstream as they come, mainstream attempts to actually go back through the Russiagate narrative, where it started, how it was sold to the American people, and all of the lies and especially the omissions. And they take a really hard look at The New York Times as kinda the main player in this story. There were other-

   27. SESaagar Enjeti31:22

       Mm-hmm.

   28. KBKrystal Ball31:22

       ... villains as well, but The New York Times was the main player. And they would report something that, you know, they would shade it to look as bad as possible with regards to Trump-Russia connections. They would get some other piece of information that was exculpatory, wouldn't be in the paper at all. And they got all kinds, you know, millions of new subscribers to their paper who were there to hear this, like, you know, elaborate tale of Russian conspiracy and The Manchurian Candidate and whatever. And the underlying narrative that at least I take away from the CJR report is The New York Times and MSNBC and a lot of other places. They were more interested in feeding that audience what they wanted to hear than actually looking at the facts of what was happening. And, you know, you read it. It is as damning as it could be. And listen, the way we were sold the Iraq War was bad enough. Like, that was a, a travesty. After the fact, they actually did some correctives that, "Here's what we got wrong, and we're sorry," whatever. This, they will never admit that they did anything wrong here. They just move forward and pretend like none of it ever happened, and it's, it is astonishing. And they wonder, then they turn around and wonder, like, "Why does no one trust us?"

   29. SESaagar Enjeti32:29

       Yeah.

   30. KBKrystal Ball32:29

       "We just don't get it."
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   After Bernie Madoff, you're…

   1. KBKrystal Ball45:00

      I'm really interested and obsessed with, because all these people are like a reflection of the holes and vulnerabilities in society. You know, same thing with Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX. He told people in Congress, he told the media, he had this very specific cultivated image of his, like, wacky hair and his, like, dressed down look and whatever, that he was the eccentric genius or whatever. And a lot of people who were supposed to be super smart in the business press and in the, you know, regular press and on Capitol Hill, they all bought it, hook, line, and sinker.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      After Bernie Madoff, you're not gonna fool us again. (laughs)

   3. SESaagar Enjeti45:37

      Yeah. (laughs)

   4. KBKrystal Ball45:37

      Oh, yeah.Right. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:38

      We're- we've got it all-

   6. KBKrystal Ball45:39

      We got- we got it now.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:40

      We've figured it out. We got it down.

   8. SESaagar Enjeti45:41

      It's not like, uh, Theranos was, like, five years ago. (laughs)

   9. KBKrystal Ball45:44

      Right. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Yeah, the Theranos was an abnormality, sir.

   11. KBKrystal Ball45:47

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       It'll never happen again. People like that are rare and they don't really get through.

   13. SESaagar Enjeti45:53

       It's actually-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       But they do.

   15. SESaagar Enjeti45:53

       ... a good thing, though, just to show people, like, these people aren't that smart. You know, one of the-

   16. KBKrystal Ball45:56

       Yeah.

   17. SESaagar Enjeti45:56

       When I first came to DC, you know, you get to the White House and you're like, "Holy shit. Like, this is the White House."

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Mm-hmm.

   19. SESaagar Enjeti46:01

       I remember- you know, it's like when I met Trump and interviewing him in, like, in the Oval Office and I'm like, "Holy shit. I'm in The Oval. That's JFK who sit there, you know, this is where Nixon did-"

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yeah.

   21. SESaagar Enjeti46:09

       "... this thing." And but then you're, uh, you know, like, some guy comes in with his shoes off and you're like, "Oh, uh, this is just th- an office. Like, this is just a normal building."

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       Right.

   23. SESaagar Enjeti46:17

       And so you gotta take that veneer off. Most people actually get this, I'm probably just weird, which is, like, these people aren't that smart. They are the billionaires and, uh, they're actually fools. Like Sam Bankman-Fried raised a billion dollars when he was literally playing Counterstrike while he was on a Zoom call. And he was playing a video game, he said some bullshit and, like, something about a banana, and they gave him a billion dollars.

   24. KBKrystal Ball46:36

       This is-

   25. SESaagar Enjeti46:36

       And this is one of the top-

   26. KBKrystal Ball46:37

       ... the top VC-

   27. SESaagar Enjeti46:38

       ... tier venture capital firms in the world.

   28. KBKrystal Ball46:39

       Yes. I mean, these-

   29. SESaagar Enjeti46:40

       And you're like, "What?"

   30. KBKrystal Ball46:40

       ... are supposed to be the most sophisticated investors and just totally bamboozled by this guy. And it is-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:05:43

   Yep. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      done is very, very, very impressive, but he lied.

   2. SESaagar Enjeti1:00:04

      Yep.

   3. KBKrystal Ball1:00:04

      Right, right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      That's the problem.

   5. SESaagar Enjeti1:00:06

      That's a problem.

   6. KBKrystal Ball1:00:06

      And it's such a disservice. Is he... I haven't... I admit I haven't watched a lot of Liver King content.

   7. SESaagar Enjeti1:00:11

      Missed out.

   8. KBKrystal Ball1:00:11

      I'm not exactly in the core demo-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      (laughs)

   10. SESaagar Enjeti1:00:13

       (laughs)

   11. KBKrystal Ball1:00:13

       ... for this. Um, is he... Like, is he a charismatic guy?

   12. SESaagar Enjeti1:00:16

       Oh, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       Yeah.

   14. KBKrystal Ball1:00:16

       I mean, do you feel like if he hadn't cheated and lied and whatever, he still coulda made it?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       I, I... You know, I don't know.

   16. KBKrystal Ball1:00:24

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       You know, we don't know. I mean, I think so. I think that there's been tw-... A bunch of people that are openly taking performance enhancing drugs and have enormous social media platforms.

   18. SESaagar Enjeti1:00:34

       Yeah, oh, absolutely.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       I don't, I don't think that's the problem.

   20. KBKrystal Ball1:00:36

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       I think the problem is just being dishonest.

   22. KBKrystal Ball1:00:37

       Lying, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       If you're the Liver King and you're talking about your stack and explaining to people what you take and that you're doing it all legally and then you're also eating all this food and like th-... The question is, uh, is that a thing that would influence other people to do that when they shouldn't do that?

   24. KBKrystal Ball1:00:54

       Mm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       And I think that's a personal choice. I think the real responsibility that someone has when you're in that situation, if you are doing that stuff, y- you should be honest about what you're doing and then also honest if something goes wrong.

   26. SESaagar Enjeti1:01:08

       Yeah, I think it's impo-... So I didn't get into health and fitness till like a good two years ago or so, and it's so important to have realistic expectations about what you can do-

   27. KBKrystal Ball1:01:17

       Mm.

   28. SESaagar Enjeti1:01:18

       ... about what you can get, about what it actually means to diet. So like, Dr. Layne Norton who I use his app Carbon, like, you know, you realize after a couple weeks into a cut, you're like, "Oh, this fucking sucks," and you're like, "And I'm only losing... You know, I'm only losing, whatever, two pounds a week." And then also even with heavy resistance training be-... Four times a week, diet relatively on point, shit is hard, man. It takes years. Like you are not gonna look like Liver King overnight, and that's actually important to understand that.

   29. KBKrystal Ball1:01:44

       Well, some people... Well, and I mean, number one, you just aren't gonna look like Liver King-

   30. SESaagar Enjeti1:01:48

       Right.

Episode duration: 3:11:32