Joe Rogan Experience #1947 - Chris Distefano

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   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. CDChris Distefano0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. CDChris Distefano0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) And we're on.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Hello, Chrissy.

   5. CDChris Distefano0:14

      Hello.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother.

   7. CDChris Distefano0:15

      Nice to see you.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I like the shades.

   9. CDChris Distefano0:17

      I know, I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       Are those, uh, Anthony Ayden's?

   11. CDChris Distefano0:20

       Anthony Ayden.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Yeah.

   13. CDChris Distefano0:22

       Dude, Anthony Ayden, St. Mark's, Lower East Side.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah.

   15. CDChris Distefano0:26

       I wanted to... I have a, um... I wanted to look like a '70s, '80s, like, mobster look.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Mm.

   17. CDChris Distefano0:34

       I want... That's what I wanted to go for. And Anthony was like, "I got you."

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Oh, yeah, that... You nailed it, yeah.

   19. CDChris Distefano0:40

       Anthony Ayden. And he's one of those guys, he's like a MMA guy. So it's like, you know, he's selling these nice glasses, but then he's got the cauliflower ear and he's got... He's always got, like, bruises on his face.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah, I met him in New York. Very nice guy. He, he gave me a beautiful pair of sunglasses, like, with, like, rose-colored shades.

   21. CDChris Distefano0:55

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       They're very nice.

   23. CDChris Distefano0:56

       They're transition lenses and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah, mine too.

   25. CDChris Distefano0:58

       And the thing is with these is this is, you know, I'm going for it, right? And I've went, I've went a little crazy. And I-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       You're going for it?

   27. CDChris Distefano1:04

       I'm just going for it. I've said, "You know what? Enough's enough."

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Enough's enough?

   29. CDChris Distefano1:09

       I said, "I'm done. I'm, I'm, I'm putting on glasses, I'm wearing a watch."

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Wow.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh, Jesus Christ. …

   1. CDChris Distefano15:00

      the '60s, '70s, and '80s. This is just reminding me of old New York." He's like, "I kinda like this grittiness of this, but you grew up, everybody's safe. That was never gonna be real." He was like, "And you know, I don't, it will probably come back at some point, but it's gonna take a long, long time." But I don't know, I feel like now, like in my, you know, when, when I'm, even like my mom wanted to take my daughter to Times Square to the American Girl Doll store, and I just, I couldn't believe it. I was like, "No, I, I, I can't a- I can't allow you to take her." She was like, "What? It's, it's, I'm your mom, your granddaughter. We'll take, we'll go on the train, and I'll take her to this store and I'll be back." I was like, "No, I can't, I, I won't be able to function, my anxiety won't be able to function of thinking about you and my daughter on the train. 'Cause if there's a homeless person down there that's crazy, off his meds, and he throws one of you in front of the tracks and something happens, I won't be able to live with myself."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:45

      Oh, Jesus Christ.

   3. CDChris Distefano15:45

      And those thoughts were never in my head, ever. They were never ever, ever, ever in my head. But now they are, and I don't know if it's because it's reality, the media, something. I, I, I don't, I, I don't know what it is.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      (smacks lips) I think it's a little bit of both. It is reality, it has happened.

   5. CDChris Distefano15:59

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:00

      So to deny that it's happened would be, that, that's ridiculous.

   7. CDChris Distefano16:03

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:03

      You have, there's videos of people doing it.

   9. CDChris Distefano16:05

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       The question is, like how many of them? How much do you need to worry about it?

   11. CDChris Distefano16:09

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       And how often is this happening? It's not happening that often when you consider how many people there are. But the fact that it could be a possibility at all.

   13. CDChris Distefano16:17

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       The, you know what's really crazy is like Giuliani cleaned New York City up.

   15. CDChris Distefano16:21

       He did.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       He really did.

   17. CDChris Distefano16:22

       He did.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       I mean, it was, a lot of people said it was like great overreach and thuggish behavior by-

   19. CDChris Distefano16:27

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       ... the police, and all the horrible shit they did, the stop and frisk shit.

   21. CDChris Distefano16:31

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       What would they do? They would just stop you, any-

   23. CDChris Distefano16:33

       So, a- a- anybody... So I had a friend who's, he's now a detective. He was a beat cop, 21 years old when Giuliani implemented this stop and frisk thing. And he said, "Look," he was like, "I, I'm being honest." You know my g- my friend, he's, you know, he's, he's Latino guy. He's like, "I promise you, our sergeant would come in every morning, talk to us about stop and frisk." And he said, "You stop each race, ethnicity, religion. You stop everybody equally, okay?" He said, "That's what you're looking for. You're, everything is equal, okay?" He said, but his beat was Times Square. He said, "Now if I went into Times Square, and I grab a group of kids, pat them down, they have something, right? But they're, you know, uh, uh, from a socioeconomic status that, you know, is a little impoverished, whatever. What am I supposed to do? Say, 'Oh, you have a gun and a knife and drugs on you, um, but I, you know, I can't, I, I, I'm not gonna take this off you, I'm just gonna let you go back out into society?'" He said, "No, I would have to then arrest them." He said, "Where then I would take like another group of kids that wouldn't have anything, and then you let them go." He said, "And then that became like they brought race and identity politics into that type of policing. But we were stopping everybody equally, it's just crime is in certain areas for certain reasons." He was like, "That's above my pay grade." He said, "But when they stopped that stop and frisk," he said, "the reason, the thing what's happening at least in New York now," he said, "it's, it's we'll know that a, somebody has a gun or a weapon. We'll know that they're a career criminal. We know." He said, "But we are not allowed to, to intervene at all unless they commit, unless they act first." He said, "So that creates a lot of, um, confidence for the criminal, and it creates a lot of, you know, we're, we are scared." He was like flat out, "I'm scared to apprehend someone, because the police union, if I make a mistake or if it looks like I made a mistake, it's not gonna have my back and I'm gonna get sued and lose my family and lose my life." Well, I think we could look at it both ways, right? Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:29

       And this is one way you could look at it. The old way of, uh, stopping and frisking-... is easy to abuse.

   25. CDChris Distefano18:35

       Of course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       And when you think about the power that you give someone, where they could just walk up to anyone-

   27. CDChris Distefano18:42

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:42

       ... some businessman they don't like, some, some fucking-

   29. CDChris Distefano18:45

       Yep.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       ... guy who thinks he's hot shit, some guy who's with his friends who's a little too loud, you could just walk up to him and go, "Come on, take, let me see all your shit. I'm gonna touch you in front of everybody, make you feel uncomfortable." Like, what, what, shouldn't you have to commit a crime-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Well it's a, it's…

   1. CDChris Distefano30:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Well it's a, it's a, like gives him the get out of jail free pass.

   3. CDChris Distefano30:04

      It's a good point.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Oh my God, there's so many things that he can make fun of that we can't even touch.

   5. CDChris Distefano30:08

      Yeah. Gay. Well, well, you know, that's smart.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      (laughs)

   7. CDChris Distefano30:11

      So maybe I'm rethinking this gay thing, if that is a scam.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      (laughs)

   9. CDChris Distefano30:13

      Maybe that's the scam of the century. But he said-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       That's the move.

   11. CDChris Distefano30:16

       But he said an interesting thing, he said he knows I'm not gay 'cause even though I play around and I'll be like, you know, "Oh, you know-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       Right.

   13. CDChris Distefano30:21

       ... "joke." Be like, "I, I don't eat cock unless it's in my fasting window." Like you know, we'll joke around and whatever.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Right.

   15. CDChris Distefano30:26

       But then I asked him seriously once. I was like, "Do you think I'm like possibly gay?" And he was like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       (laughs)

   17. CDChris Distefano30:31

       And, and, and he was like... (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       (laughs)

   19. CDChris Distefano30:36

       And he said, "No." He said, "No because you know why you're not gay?" He said, "Because you actually are insecure about your body." He said, "So there's times where like, you know, you'll be like, 'Oh, my nipples are fat.'" Or like you'll... And he said, "A gay man usually lean in to body positivity and how sexy my body is," whatever. He said, "So since you don't," he's like, "I just don't think... Like a gay guy would be more like, 'Look at how, look at how imperfectly perfect I am.'"

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       That's interesting.

   21. CDChris Distefano31:03

       He said, "Most gay, most gay men..." Not, not Tim. Now Tim is a different breed 'cause it's a scam.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       Yeah.

   23. CDChris Distefano31:08

       But, but, but, but I, I was like, "Interesting." So that's h-... He kind of gave me the confidence to move forward and say, "You're not gay."

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       ... well, I'm glad he did that for you.

   25. CDChris Distefano31:17

       Yeah. Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       That's a true friend. (laughs)

   27. CDChris Distefano31:20

       'Cause Jasmine has brought up that she thinks I'm gay multiple times.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       (laughs)

   29. CDChris Distefano31:22

       She's thought I'm gay when, right after sex. She's just, something... And I thought I laid it on her-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Interesting.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Holy shit. …

   1. CDChris Distefano45:00

      they were.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Holy shit.

   3. CDChris Distefano45:01

      Wild, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Holy shit.

   5. CDChris Distefano45:02

      Dude. Fucking, it's pretty, it's pretty nuts. And then, I think I might have said this on the last one, but TT Jerry, when s- she was in prison, served prison time with the Son of Sam. She shared a wall with the Son of Sam. Two murderers. She shared a wall with the Son of Sam and, um, uh, Ronald DeFeo from the Amityville Horror house, the man who killed all those people in that, you know, the movie the Amityville Horror, who it was really based off, Ronald DeFeo. She was in prison with both of them at the same time, and the prisoners from Escape from Dannemora, who like, that, um, Showtime show that they made. So, sh- she was in like real deal prisoners. But she said the Son of Sam... Now this was months before the Netflix documentary came out. TT Jerry said, she's like, "You know, the Son of Sam, David, did not, did not kill all those people. He was involved in a cult. There were other murderers, but they, the, the city pinned it all on him." And then few months later this Netflix documentary comes out, came out a couple years ago, basically saying that most likely Son of Sam did not kill all those people. He killed maybe one or two, but there was other murderers that just got away with it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:07

      Do you know the Henry Lee Lucas story?

   7. CDChris Distefano46:09

      Henry Lee Lucas. Well, I-

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:10

      Henry Lee Lucas, they made a film about him called Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.

   9. CDChris Distefano46:15

      Okay.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       And it, it's a guy who got arrested for 62 murders, and he was basically a drifter, and he was traveling across the country murdering people.

   11. CDChris Distefano46:24

       Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       But they think that what really happened was they came up to him and they said, "You know, hey Henry, you know, there was a few people that were killed behind the bushes in Indianapolis in '76. We'd sure love to solve that crime. Was that you?" "Yep, that's me. I killed them too." "Well how, did you do it with a knife? 'Cause we found a knife." "Yep, knife. Killed them with a knife."

   13. CDChris Distefano46:46

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       And this guy was basically a dullard and may, may have killed people. Like may-

   15. CDChris Distefano46:52

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       You know, a lot of drifters have killed people. But it seems like... Google that, make sure I'm correct on this. I think now they think that they attributed a bunch of crimes to him that he couldn't possibly have committed.

   17. CDChris Distefano47:03

       It's a wild thing, pe-

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       Look at this, the depraved serial killer who confessed to hundreds of murders.

   19. CDChris Distefano47:08

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       See, this is it. So it was more than 62, which is what he was, I think he was originally charged with. 600 people. Okay. Drawn together by shared childhood trauma, Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole became lovers, then serial killers who terrorized America in the 1970s. So it's, but he confessed to hundreds of murders but they think that some of them he couldn't possibly have done.

   21. CDChris Distefano47:31

       But did he stay in prison for the rest of his life because of it?

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       Uh, yeah, he, I think they might have killed him.

   23. CDChris Distefano47:38

       In prison.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:38

       I don't, I don't know what happened. I don't know if he, I don't know if he's still alive. But see, see if he got, um, if that's a story, that they got him to confess to a bunch of murders that he couldn't have actually done.

   25. CDChris Distefano47:48

       That's a common thing though, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:50

       Yeah.

   27. CDChris Distefano47:50

       People confess to stuff all the time. You know, I- I- I... There's a show on Apple TV, it was called Blackbird, it just came out last year, it's about a real story about a guy who what his tactic would be is, is he murdered a lot of people but he would, he would say to the police, "Oh, I murdered that girl in that county. I'm confessing to it." But then they would go through the research and be like, "No you couldn't have possibly," but he would cop to it. And then the cops would be like... He did that like five times and they'd be like... Every county he was investigated in, they'd be like, "That's what he does, he confesses to murders, he's a bullshitter," but he really was killing people. He was using, he was confessing to false ones so he could get away with the real ones.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:26

       Holy shit.

   29. CDChris Distefano48:27

       Wild, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       Holy shit.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:04

   I know. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Like, look, all the people. If you look-

   2. CDChris Distefano1:00:01

      I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      ... at all the people, like, none of them are obese.

   4. CDChris Distefano1:00:03

      No, none of them are obese.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Which is, look at that, the guy has no pants on.

   6. CDChris Distefano1:00:05

      No, yeah, he's just fully butt naked.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      He's, they're screaming, "Ah."

   8. CDChris Distefano1:00:09

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Well, probably mentally ill too.

   10. CDChris Distefano1:00:11

       And look there's a picture of-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

       Just mentally ill people.

   12. CDChris Distefano1:00:12

       ... and you see they had George Washington in the back.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

       Yeah.

   14. CDChris Distefano1:00:14

       Wow. That was the background 'cause they were honoring... They, they, the Germans and the Americans at that time believed, oh, you know. Dude, I read a book called The Nazi Symbiosis that, um, kind of said that, um, the president, uh, you know, uh, uh, Winston Churchill and FDR knew about the Holocaust stuff happening. They, they knew about it. You know, they had their intelligence, right, secret service, whatever, and they knew about it. But, and so what I'm saying is that, um, the, the Holocaust in initial stages, horrific, can't state that enough, but was yielding medical results. They were getting, like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       What?

   16. CDChris Distefano1:00:49

       Yeah, they were, like, different t- I don't know the exact ones, but there were different types of medications that we use today came out of the Holocaust, different types of lab results. They were, 'cause they were just using them as guinea pigs-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Oh.

   18. CDChris Distefano1:00:58

       ... human beings. So it was yielding results-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Jesus.

   20. CDChris Distefano1:01:00

       ... and so they were allowing it to happen. It wasn't until Hitler-... crossed the line, I mean, he crossed the line from the beginning, but when stopped yielding results and just started gassing everybody, did Churchill and everybody said, "Okay, now we gotta go in." So nobody's innocent. You know what I mean? Nobody's innocent in the war. You know, like I just did a whole, I do a segment on, I do a YouTube thing called Chrystories where I do a history thing, and I just did the Rape of Nanking. And if you know-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       Oh, my God. I do know about that.

   22. CDChris Distefano1:01:25

       So I was getting so much shit on the internet from Japanese people saying that what I am spewing is disinformation. And I'm like, "There's pictures and video, there's pictures of Japanese soldiers bayonetting Chinese babies in front of their family." So I'm not, it's not disinformation, it's just you have to accept history as it is. Like every group, whoever has power, will act in a certain way that's not right. It's a human thing. Most groups do that. And y- it's not just one thing. Like I feel like we live in a society now where it's like only one group of people were the bad guys throughout history. It's like, no, no, no, no, everybody's been a bad guy at some point, it's just who had power when.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

       Well, I think we're just aware of human nature now-

   24. CDChris Distefano1:02:03

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       ... uh, in a different way. You know, like if you look at the work of like guys like Steven Pinker that talk about like-

   26. CDChris Distefano1:02:09

       Sure.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

       ... crime and history.

   28. CDChris Distefano1:02:09

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

       And, and if you look at the, the, the trend, everything is going to a less violent, safer place to live-

   30. CDChris Distefano1:02:17

       Sure, yep.

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