Joe Rogan Experience #1947 - Chris Distefano

Chris Distefano 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Chris Distefano 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) And we're on.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Hello, Chrissy.

Chris Distefano 0:14 Hello.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Good to see you, brother.

Chris Distefano 0:15 Nice to see you.

Joe Rogan 0:16 I like the shades.

Chris Distefano 0:17 I know, I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Are those, uh, Anthony Ayden's?

Chris Distefano 0:20 Anthony Ayden.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 0:22 Dude, Anthony Ayden, St. Mark's, Lower East Side.

Joe Rogan 0:26 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 0:26 I wanted to... I have a, um... I wanted to look like a '70s, '80s, like, mobster look.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Mm.

Chris Distefano 0:34 I want... That's what I wanted to go for. And Anthony was like, "I got you."

Joe Rogan 0:38 Oh, yeah, that... You nailed it, yeah.

Chris Distefano 0:40 Anthony Ayden. And he's one of those guys, he's like a MMA guy. So it's like, you know, he's selling these nice glasses, but then he's got the cauliflower ear and he's got... He's always got, like, bruises on his face.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Yeah, I met him in New York. Very nice guy. He, he gave me a beautiful pair of sunglasses, like, with, like, rose-colored shades.

Chris Distefano 0:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 They're very nice.

Chris Distefano 0:56 They're transition lenses and-

Joe Rogan 0:57 Yeah, mine too.

Chris Distefano 0:58 And the thing is with these is this is, you know, I'm going for it, right? And I've went, I've went a little crazy. And I-

Joe Rogan 1:04 You're going for it?

Chris Distefano 1:04 I'm just going for it. I've said, "You know what? Enough's enough."

Joe Rogan 1:08 Enough's enough?

Chris Distefano 1:09 I said, "I'm done. I'm, I'm, I'm putting on glasses, I'm wearing a watch."

Joe Rogan 1:13 Wow.

Chris Distefano 1:13 And I'm chan-

Joe Rogan 1:14 What kind of watch you got?

Chris Distefano 1:15 Uh, AP Royal Oak.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Ooh, that's a nice watch.

Chris Distefano 1:17 I just came... I talked to Andrew Santino and I said, "I want a watch."

Joe Rogan 1:20 Wow.

Chris Distefano 1:20 And he sent me this link and I said, "But what about that price?" He said, "If you're gonna do it, just fucking do it."

Joe Rogan 1:25 Wow.

Chris Distefano 1:26 And so he... And then I did it and then when I sent him a picture of it on, he was like, "Dude, I was kidding." Like, "You..."

Joe Rogan 1:30 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 1:31 (laughs) "You just jumped like 10 steps." And then he said, "What is... You're like a different Chrissy with these glasses." And I know I said to you before, I'm wearing them every day. I haven't taken the watch or the glasses off in about two weeks, and I feel good about it now. I feel centered with who I am.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Okay.

Chris Distefano 1:48 But it does feel like, you know, a month from now I'll look back and really regret this phase.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Why?

Chris Distefano 1:53 'Cause I think that, um, um, um, I, uh... Listen, I'm having fun.

Joe Rogan 1:58 Right.

Chris Distefano 1:58 Uh, right now it's no regrets, but I'm just saying I know the way my mind works and I think I'm probably going too hard too fast. Like, I just, you know... The glasses, the watch, you got... I got a tour manager. I don't need any of this. I'm just going. And-

Joe Rogan 2:10 Just keep going.

Chris Distefano 2:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11 What are you worried about?

Chris Distefano 2:12 All right, then I'll do it then.

Joe Rogan 2:13 Yeah, you need a coach.

Chris Distefano 2:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14 You need someone in the corner going, "Keep going, kid."

Chris Distefano 2:16 "Keep going." I-

Joe Rogan 2:17 "Keep going."

Chris Distefano 2:17 I ate a bag of chicken skin in the green room.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Look, look at you. Look at the fucking look. I like the new look.

Chris Distefano 2:23 Dude, 'cause you know what this is too?

Joe Rogan 2:24 What?

Chris Distefano 2:25 You, you know what happened, is I started-

Joe Rogan 2:25 It's a glow up.

Chris Distefano 2:26 I- it's a glow up. That's what it is.

Narrator 2:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:29 Yeah, you're glowing up.

Chris Distefano 2:29 It's a glow up.

Joe Rogan 2:30 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 2:30 I'm like Elliot Page, glowed up.

Joe Rogan 2:31 I think you look great.

Chris Distefano 2:33 Uh, I appreciate that.

Joe Rogan 2:34 That fucking bracelet on too?

Chris Distefano 2:35 Dude, I'm not... I'm... I've completely went insane.

Joe Rogan 2:38 Wow, that's not insane. You're making a little cash. You're doing well.

Chris Distefano 2:41 And you know what?

Joe Rogan 2:41 Netflix special's doing well.

Chris Distefano 2:43 That's it.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Everything's good.

Chris Distefano 2:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:44 The kids tour and the kid's making some shekels.

Chris Distefano 2:46 The kid's doing-

Joe Rogan 2:47 Let's go.

Chris Distefano 2:47 The kid's doing Radio City Music Hall, folks.

Joe Rogan 2:49 The kid's doing Radio City Music Hall, folks.

Chris Distefano 2:52 S- September 22nd. I mean, that's... See, for a New Yorker, that's like... That's the thing.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Yeah, that's the place.

Chris Distefano 2:58 You go to Radio City and, and-

Joe Rogan 3:00 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 3:00 And it's, and it's been amazing. Yeah, that's, uh, yeah. And it's been amazing. Um, we're almo-... We sold 4,500 tickets the first week, so that's-

Joe Rogan 3:06 That's amazing.

Chris Distefano 3:06 It's like mind-blowing for me. So, um-

Joe Rogan 3:08 That place is so... Uh, didn't Roy Jones Jr have a fight there once?

Chris Distefano 3:13 Probably.

Joe Rogan 3:14 I think when Roy Jones Jr was just murking people, Roy Jones Jr put on a fight. I'm pretty sure he did it there.

Chris Distefano 3:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:21 It's... He did it at some iconic venue in New York City, and Radio City Music Hall is one of the, the, the peaks.

Chris Distefano 3:28 It's... When I started comedy, I've... And still-

Joe Rogan 3:32 Yeah, it is.

Chris Distefano 3:32 There it is.

Joe Rogan 3:33 Yeah. Roy Jones Jr produced a Radio City spectacular. Who did he fight?

Chris Distefano 3:39 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 3:39 That was when...

Narrator 3:40 And even fighting one-handed.

Joe Rogan 3:40 What's that? Oh, that's right, even fighting one-handed. That was...

Chris Distefano 3:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Well, that was when Roy Jones Jr was just the fucking king of the world.

Chris Distefano 3:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:49 People forgot. Like, he had to make a song called Y'all Must Have Forgot.

Chris Distefano 3:53 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 He did a... Literally-

Chris Distefano 3:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:54 He made a song called Y'all Must Have Forgot because people forgot.

Chris Distefano 3:58 Right, that-

Joe Rogan 3:59 That he was the fucking man. There was a period of time, and this is the thing about fighters, you can't keep it up forever. It's impossible. And a lot of times we think about fighters as who they were at the end of their career.

Chris Distefano 4:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:13 When their bodies were s- were failing and they had too much mileage on their tank, it's like... On, on the, the odometer, rather. Roy Jones Jr, when he was in his peak, in his prime, was as good as anybody that's ever laced on gloves.

Chris Distefano 4:25 Yeah, I agree. Did you watch the Paul Fury fight yesterday?

Joe Rogan 4:28 Yes, I did. Yeah.

Chris Distefano 4:28 What'd you think?

Joe Rogan 4:29 I thought it was a very good fight.

Chris Distefano 4:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:30 And it's... It confirmed two things that I've been saying for a long time. One, Jake Paul is 100% legit. People that think he's not legit, he's conning you. He's conning you with his antics. He's conning you with his, his, uh, online persona-

Chris Distefano 4:45 Yup.

Joe Rogan 4:45 ... and his shit talking and the marketing. But if you didn't have any of that, and me as an analyst, like, I-

Chris Distefano 4:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:52 That's one of my jobs. I analyze mixed martial arts. I'm not a boxing analyst but I understand it.

Chris Distefano 4:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:56 When I watch him move around, it's 100% legit. When I saw him knock out Tyron Woodley, I'm like, "That is a fucking dangerous man."

Chris Distefano 5:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:04 100%.

Chris Distefano 5:05 Yeah. He's... Uh, well, I was watching it illegally on, uh, a phone.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Why don't you pay for it?

Chris Distefano 5:09 I-

Joe Rogan 5:09 You fucking piece of shit.

Chris Distefano 5:10 I didn't... No. I, I... 'Cause I got... I ran out of money. I bought-

Joe Rogan 5:13 Get the fuck... (laughs)

Chris Distefano 5:13 I bought too many glasses. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:17 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 5:17 I spent it all on the watch. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:19 Uh.

Chris Distefano 5:19 No, because I didn't even know... I, I love sports and stuff, but I'm not into... Not that I'm not into boxing, I just don't ever, like, watch it that much. And so the, the guy that I'm with, he was like, "Oh, the fight's happening now." So he's like, "I got a site." And we started... Uh, we were... I was eating, uh, ice cream yesterday in San Francisco, in Little Italy. And we're... And I only eat sweets once a week now, so yesterday was my sweets day.

Joe Rogan 5:38 Nice.

Chris Distefano 5:39 And I was eating, um... I ate... I got four scoops of gelato. So I was three and a half scoops in and the blood sugar, the way it hit, you know, I was getting woozy but it's like what I've been waiting for. And I'm watching the fight happen and then, you know, San Francisco, right outside I see two homeless guys-Fighting.

Joe Rogan 5:57 Oh.

Chris Distefano 5:57 Like legitimately fighting. And it was kind of one of those things where I swear to God, even though amazing fighters that, that, you know, Paul and Fury, the fight outside was so much more entertaining. I mean, I've never seen this. I saw a homeless man yesterday in front of... As... The kid out in the green room as my witness, roundhouse kick another, land a roundhouse kick to the chin, another, the other homeless guy's face the guy hit up against some outdoor dining, was like shell-shocked, like, you know, like woozy, bleeding from his lip, and then just scurried off.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Wow.

Chris Distefano 6:26 And I was like, "Wow." And then I bought the homeless guy who won the fight ice cream.

Joe Rogan 6:30 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 6:31 (laughs) I sw- I swear to God.

Joe Rogan 6:32 But did you know whether who, who instigated the fight? Maybe the homeless guy with the roundhouse kick is like a cracks dealer.

Chris Distefano 6:38 I was gonna say, I think most likely fentanyl instigated the fight.

Joe Rogan 6:41 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 6:41 It's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:41 I would feel like fentanyl would calm it down.

Chris Distefano 6:43 Yeah, that's true, too. It was... I, I don't know if when was the last time you've been to San Fran, but, I mean, it, it got, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 6:49 It's pretty wild there.

Chris Distefano 6:49 It was wild there in North Beach, you know, Little Italy. And I was like, "Man, this is next level." But I thought... My mother always instilled in me, like, "Always buy homeless people food. If you see them, buy them food." And, uh... And so that's just what I automatically do, and I bought him ice cream. And you know what this guy says to me? Granted, he had just won a fight, but I came out with chocolate ice cream. He goes, "I don't like chocolate." I was like, "Jesus Christ."

Joe Rogan 7:10 Well, that's probably why he's homeless.

Chris Distefano 7:11 Seriously, right? Because-

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 7:12 ... of the ego, and like-

Joe Rogan 7:13 Disagreeableness.

Chris Distefano 7:14 Yeah. So I went and got a vanilla, and he ate the vanilla.

Joe Rogan 7:16 Oh, you did that?

Chris Distefano 7:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:17 That's good for you, bro. Good for you.

Chris Distefano 7:18 Because, you know, it's my sweets day, I just had the chocolate.

Joe Rogan 7:20 Good for you. Good for you.

Chris Distefano 7:21 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 7:22 That's a lovely thing to do.

Chris Distefano 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 I wish it was just pe- you know, that the people-

Chris Distefano 7:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:26 ... were down on their luck. I wish it was just that.

Chris Distefano 7:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:29 But it... There's, like, such a combination of factors th- humans have to address. If they really wanna address homelessness, you really have to address kids who grow up in the foster care system. You have to address, uh, childhood abuse.

Chris Distefano 7:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:42 You have to address family history of drug addiction.

Chris Distefano 7:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 7:45 You have to address crime. Like, there's so many factors-

Chris Distefano 7:48 You know-

Joe Rogan 7:48 ... that lead into someone being homeless. And, well, the idea that you're just gonna give them housing or you're just gonna l- give them tents and everything's gonna be fine, it's like, no. Like, you can't just, like, ignore that as an issue. Like, if you're gonna... The amount of money that it costs to have massive populations of homeless people is extraordinary. If they just put the same amount or maybe more, to prepare for the future, into some sort of, like, comprehensive program to try to help people that are fucked up like that and clean 'em up, and it would probably have to involve psychedelic drugs.

Chris Distefano 8:20 Yeah, that's what I was... I think that you probab-... Because, because it's not a money thing, right? Peop- they have money to c-... It's not a cure, it's not a financial cure, it's these people, it's their mindset-

Joe Rogan 8:29 People that are just so damaged by life-

Chris Distefano 8:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:30 ... in, in... Whether it's chemically damaged, psychologically damaged, maybe they don't have the right psych medications, maybe they're off their meds. You know, a l- a lot of them have gone through horrific abuse. Like-

Chris Distefano 8:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 ... you don't wind up in a tent in Skid Row unless-

Chris Distefano 8:45 No.

Joe Rogan 8:45 ... shit has gone to h- It's literally the bottom of the country. Skid Row is like the bottom of the country.

Chris Distefano 8:50 Right. But then I wonder if you get to s- talk to some people, and they're like, "We... This is where we wanna be." You think some people are willingly there?

Joe Rogan 8:56 Because they don't... They're... They don't know anything else.

Chris Distefano 8:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Right? They don't know love. They don't know, like, uh, the accomplishment of, like, doing a thing and getting better at it and, like, improving upon-

Chris Distefano 9:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:09 ... and realizing that's kind of a vehicle for improving yourself. Like, they, they haven't experienced, like, positive things. Like, y- y-... The life it... Life is... Like, this is why it drives me fucking crazy when any- everybody says, like, whenever anyone says, like, "Pull 'em up by their own bootstraps." Like, to tell people to go, "You know, figure it out yourself."

Chris Distefano 9:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:28 "You know, I did." Right? Like, y- these people (laughs) ... You're not dealing with the even starting line. If everybody had an even starting line, that would make sense.

Chris Distefano 9:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:36 If everybody had a mom and a dad and they grew up in a house where no one smoked crack and-

Chris Distefano 9:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:41 ... fucking shot at each other.

Chris Distefano 9:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:42 If you grew up in a place like that-

Chris Distefano 9:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:44 ... okay. If we all grew up, like, and we all, like, had a good school to go to with good education and nice teachers that cared, but that's not everybody's-

Chris Distefano 9:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:53 ... experience.

Chris Distefano 9:53 No.

Joe Rogan 9:53 And until we fucking fix that-

Chris Distefano 9:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:55 ... you're never gonna fix this homeless problem.

Chris Distefano 9:57 Like, I, I, you know, was lucky to grow up... I grew up in New York City, great parents, whatever, but then I just had a show in Fresno a couple of days ago, and I said, "If I grew up here, I'd be a little different."

Joe Rogan 10:06 You'd be a lot different.

Chris Distefano 10:07 Because Fresno is one of those places where I went, a great time, but, I mean, those... Just, just being there-

Joe Rogan 10:13 Mm-hmm.

Chris Distefano 10:13 ... just being in that city for 24 hours, I was like, "I don't know... If this was my every single day, you might turn to drugs, you m-..." And, and-

Joe Rogan 10:20 It's depressing.

Chris Distefano 10:21 It's dep- It's depressing. I drove from Fresno to San Jose, and we were passing through Stockton, and I thought I was in Switzerland because that's-

Joe Rogan 10:27 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 10:27 ... what an upgrade it was from Fresno. I was like-

Joe Rogan 10:29 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 10:29 ... "What, are we in the fucking Alps?"

Joe Rogan 10:31 Bro, I was driving through a street in Fresno, and people were walking out on... In the middle of the street, like, "What the fuck are you doing driving here?"

Chris Distefano 10:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:37 Like, I went down a wrong area where it's, like, mostly homeless people.

Chris Distefano 10:41 Yeah. Oh, no, no, that... The, the, the, the Fresno skid row that I saw was the one... I think the worst I've ever seen. Uh, I'm sorry, no, in a... In s- uh, was it... Yeah, it was, uh, San Jose, I should say. San Jose was, was really, really, really fucking bad.

Joe Rogan 10:54 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 10:55 Um, o- over there, I was like, "Jesus Christ." You know, you, um... And Vancouver, I just went to Vancouver, that was the one where I was like... I did not know that Vancouver had such a... See, I think what Vancouver and these cities are doing is they're just putting their homeless in one section. 'Cause, you know, I live in New York, I'm in New York every day, there are homeless, and they are spread out through the city, but you never see blocks of tents like you see in San Francisco and Vancouver. So when I was there, I was like, "This doesn't feel like the right move either." You know-

Joe Rogan 11:27 Hmm.

Chris Distefano 11:27 ... to just put them in one corner, because New York, they're spread out, but you don't e- you don't feel them as much. It's dangerous, but not really. Where San Francisco, Vancouver, they were like... You know, one of the local comics I was with in San Fran, he was like, "You cannot leave anything in your car-

Joe Rogan 11:43 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 11:43 ... around this theater. You cannot. They will break in." And I saw about four or five windows busted out, which you never see that in New York. And I think the police in Vancouver and San Fran, from what the people were telling me, they... That's a district, they don't care. They don't even go into that district, they just let it be a free-for-all. Which I understand from the government's like, "Well, this is our last resort." But I, I don't know that that's gonna necessarily work. But maybe you gotta give them psychedelics.

Joe Rogan 12:05 Well, what they're doing right now is not working. You can't-

Chris Distefano 12:08 No.

Joe Rogan 12:08 ... just let people smash people's windows.

Chris Distefano 12:10 No.

Joe Rogan 12:10 It's so, it's so crazy. And i- it's...... you know, uh, it's a direct result of, uh, horrific police violence.

Chris Distefano 12:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 12:18 Like, that's what it's from. It's from, you watch, like, the George Floyd video.

Chris Distefano 12:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:22 You watch those five guys, uh, beat that man to death recently. You see these videos, you see the Rodney King video, you've seen so many videos. So people, like, over time, have decided that all police are bad, and all police interactions are bad, and we need to defund the police. And this is what that leads to. It just leads to an increase in crime. It's not perfect, it's not a perfect system.

Chris Distefano 12:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Right? But you need a system of law and order. If you don't have a system of law and order, you have too many people that will just give in with no consequences to crime.

Chris Distefano 12:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:53 And that's not their fault in a lot of cases. I mean, we can go through that and talk about determinism and what we've already talked about before, about everybody doesn't have an, an even starting line.

Chris Distefano 13:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:04 But you've got to address that it's a problem, and you've got to address for peaceful people. They have to be able to walk down the street and not worry about getting assaulted and robbed.

Chris Distefano 13:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:12 If that happens all the time, you've got a fundamental breakdown of what your society's sup-... So you, in society's strong, are supposed to protect the vulnerable.

Chris Distefano 13:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:21 And if you're not doing that, then you don't have a society. And then you also have these crazy gun laws, and every, it's-

Chris Distefano 13:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:27 ... it's a little difficult to, you're not allowed to concealed carry. There's a lot of-

Chris Distefano 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 ... like, so there's no consequence if people are coming after you.

Chris Distefano 13:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:34 It's not like it's like fucking the Wild West out there. It's just the prevalence of crime has increased pretty noticeably.

Chris Distefano 13:42 Yeah. A- and like I said, New York was, pre-pandemic, the safest city I thought in the world. I grew up there. I was like, "It's so safe, it's insane." And I always would say the same thing about New York. I would say, "New York is the only city that, like, any time of the day, any day of the week, you feel like the vibrance, you feel the people." Where I would go to a city, like, even though I love it, like a city like Cleveland, Cleveland would feel, even though it's open, it felt closed. Like, that's just what the city always felt like.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Mm-hmm.

Chris Distefano 14:08 And I, I was like, "I never felt that once in New York." But now, over the last, like, year or two, New York, a lot of times, like 50% of the week feels closed even though it's open. And I'm like, "Oh, snap. It hit New York." Which I... And then, you know, I talked to my father about that, you know, complained about New York. He was like, "Chris, shut up." He's like, "I grew up in New York in the '70s and '80s. Like, it is nowhere near as violent and unsafe as it was in the '70s and '80s." Like, "You just grew up in peacetime N-" He was like, "You know, you grew up in peacetime America. Your generation are all peace kids."

Joe Rogan 14:41 You're born in the eye of the storm.

Chris Distefano 14:42 Yeah, he's like, "So you didn't see any of this shit."

Joe Rogan 14:44 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 14:45 He was like, "So what you, you just had the privilege of growing up in a New York City and an America that was at, at the top, you were at the top of the Roman Empire." He was like, "And now what you're seeing is kind of a little bit more of the fabric of society." He was like, "I," my dad's like, "I grew up in the '60s, '70s, and '80s. This is just reminding me of old New York." He's like, "I kinda like this grittiness of this, but you grew up, everybody's safe. That was never gonna be real." He was like, "And you know, I don't, it will probably come back at some point, but it's gonna take a long, long time." But I don't know, I feel like now, like in my, you know, when, when I'm, even like my mom wanted to take my daughter to Times Square to the American Girl Doll store, and I just, I couldn't believe it. I was like, "No, I, I, I can't a- I can't allow you to take her." She was like, "What? It's, it's, I'm your mom, your granddaughter. We'll take, we'll go on the train, and I'll take her to this store and I'll be back." I was like, "No, I can't, I, I won't be able to function, my anxiety won't be able to function of thinking about you and my daughter on the train. 'Cause if there's a homeless person down there that's crazy, off his meds, and he throws one of you in front of the tracks and something happens, I won't be able to live with myself."

Joe Rogan 15:45 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Chris Distefano 15:45 And those thoughts were never in my head, ever. They were never ever, ever, ever in my head. But now they are, and I don't know if it's because it's reality, the media, something. I, I, I don't, I, I don't know what it is.

Joe Rogan 15:56 (smacks lips) I think it's a little bit of both. It is reality, it has happened.

Chris Distefano 15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 So to deny that it's happened would be, that, that's ridiculous.

Chris Distefano 16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:03 You have, there's videos of people doing it.

Chris Distefano 16:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:06 The question is, like how many of them? How much do you need to worry about it?

Chris Distefano 16:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:10 And how often is this happening? It's not happening that often when you consider how many people there are. But the fact that it could be a possibility at all.

Chris Distefano 16:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:17 The, you know what's really crazy is like Giuliani cleaned New York City up.

Chris Distefano 16:21 He did.

Joe Rogan 16:21 He really did.

Chris Distefano 16:22 He did.

Joe Rogan 16:22 I mean, it was, a lot of people said it was like great overreach and thuggish behavior by-

Chris Distefano 16:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:27 ... the police, and all the horrible shit they did, the stop and frisk shit.

Chris Distefano 16:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 What would they do? They would just stop you, any-

Chris Distefano 16:33 So, a- a- anybody... So I had a friend who's, he's now a detective. He was a beat cop, 21 years old when Giuliani implemented this stop and frisk thing. And he said, "Look," he was like, "I, I'm being honest." You know my g- my friend, he's, you know, he's, he's Latino guy. He's like, "I promise you, our sergeant would come in every morning, talk to us about stop and frisk." And he said, "You stop each race, ethnicity, religion. You stop everybody equally, okay?" He said, "That's what you're looking for. You're, everything is equal, okay?" He said, but his beat was Times Square. He said, "Now if I went into Times Square, and I grab a group of kids, pat them down, they have something, right? But they're, you know, uh, uh, from a socioeconomic status that, you know, is a little impoverished, whatever. What am I supposed to do? Say, 'Oh, you have a gun and a knife and drugs on you, um, but I, you know, I can't, I, I, I'm not gonna take this off you, I'm just gonna let you go back out into society?'" He said, "No, I would have to then arrest them." He said, "Where then I would take like another group of kids that wouldn't have anything, and then you let them go." He said, "And then that became like they brought race and identity politics into that type of policing. But we were stopping everybody equally, it's just crime is in certain areas for certain reasons." He was like, "That's above my pay grade." He said, "But when they stopped that stop and frisk," he said, "the reason, the thing what's happening at least in New York now," he said, "it's, it's we'll know that a, somebody has a gun or a weapon. We'll know that they're a career criminal. We know." He said, "But we are not allowed to, to intervene at all unless they commit, unless they act first." He said, "So that creates a lot of, um, confidence for the criminal, and it creates a lot of, you know, we're, we are scared." He was like flat out, "I'm scared to apprehend someone, because the police union, if I make a mistake or if it looks like I made a mistake, it's not gonna have my back and I'm gonna get sued and lose my family and lose my life." Well, I think we could look at it both ways, right? Right.

Joe Rogan 18:29 And this is one way you could look at it. The old way of, uh, stopping and frisking-... is easy to abuse.

Chris Distefano 18:35 Of course.

Joe Rogan 18:36 And when you think about the power that you give someone, where they could just walk up to anyone-

Chris Distefano 18:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:42 ... some businessman they don't like, some, some fucking-

Chris Distefano 18:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 18:45 ... guy who thinks he's hot shit, some guy who's with his friends who's a little too loud, you could just walk up to him and go, "Come on, take, let me see all your shit. I'm gonna touch you in front of everybody, make you feel uncomfortable." Like, what, what, shouldn't you have to commit a crime-

Chris Distefano 18:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:00 ... before the police are allowed to frisk you and take your stuff?

Chris Distefano 19:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:03 Shouldn't you at least be accused of a crime? Shouldn't there at least be some sort of criminal behavior where the police have to intervene? 'Cause then, then they're like, people are gonna self-correct and you're gonna act differently in order to try to, to stop the cops from doing this to you.

Chris Distefano 19:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:17 Like, you, you, you gotta, that, that's like a freedom issue. That's a real egregious attack on freedom, to just be able to point at someone-

Chris Distefano 19:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:25 ... and be able to just frisk them. R- no crime, no nothing?

Chris Distefano 19:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:29 Like, that's a weird power-

Chris Distefano 19:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:31 ... to give police, and it's, that's not good. And the other thing's not good either. It's-

Chris Distefano 19:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:35 ... not good to take away all their power either.

Chris Distefano 19:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 It's not good to, to, uh, uh, make it so the cops are terrified to respond to a call. That's not good either. So there needs to be some sort of a logical recognition of what the issues are.

Chris Distefano 19:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:48 And right now, I don't think that's happening.

Chris Distefano 19:49 Yeah, I don't know what it is. I mean, you know, a gu- a guy lives with me, my, my girlfriend's uncle, transgender guy, TT Jerry, 20 years in prison. Jerry-

Joe Rogan 19:57 Shout out to TT.

Chris Distefano 19:58 Shout out TT. Jerry's lived a fucking wild life.

Joe Rogan 20:00 On your podcast all the time.

Chris Distefano 20:01 On my podcast all the time. Having a-

Joe Rogan 20:03 Let's open that liquor, son.

Chris Distefano 20:04 Yeah. Let's, okay, this is, yeah, this is, uh, Siesta Ligas Tequila.

Joe Rogan 20:07 Oh, but before you do that, I think you should have a whiff.

Chris Distefano 20:10 Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:11 Because you've been wanting to have a whiff.

Chris Distefano 20:13 So what is this, smelling salts?

Joe Rogan 20:14 So this is, uh, is this, uh, Jujumufu stuff?

Narrator 20:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:17 This is, dude, Jujumufu, who's hilarious. He's a, uh, like a super powerlifter, bodybuilder-type-

Chris Distefano 20:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 20:25 ... character. Um-

Chris Distefano 20:26 So what am I?

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... and he's, these are smelling salts.

Chris Distefano 20:29 Careful.

Joe Rogan 20:29 So don't throw them away when you, when you panic, 'cause you will panic. You're gonna take a nice deep whiff with your nostrils-

Chris Distefano 20:37 I already smell it and I'm, like, hyperventilating.

Joe Rogan 20:38 ... and wait, let it hit you. Let it hit you.

Chris Distefano 20:40 So what do I do though?

Joe Rogan 20:41 Don't throw it anywhere. Just hold onto it.

Chris Distefano 20:43 Take a whiff?

Joe Rogan 20:43 Just don't panic once you get hit.

Narrator 20:44 Don't put your nose too far in there.

Joe Rogan 20:46 Get in there, bitch.

Chris Distefano 20:47 So but, but I- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:48 (laughs)

Narrator 20:48 Breathe. Just breathe.

Chris Distefano 20:49 You gotta take me through it though.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Take a smell. Just take a sniff. Put it up to your nose and take a sniff.

Chris Distefano 20:53 Scary.

Joe Rogan 20:53 It's not complicated. You want me to do it first?

Chris Distefano 20:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:56 Okay. Ready? Here we go.

Chris Distefano 21:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Oh. Whew.

Chris Distefano 21:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:05 The new ones.

Chris Distefano 21:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Oh my God, when you freshly open one. Oh, boy. (laughs)

Narrator 21:15 That was a cool noise. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:18 It's stunning. It's stunning. You didn't even get that close.

Chris Distefano 21:21 No, no, no, no, no, but I, that's what I'm saying, when I got there-

Joe Rogan 21:23 Oof.

Chris Distefano 21:23 ... it went up and down my esophagus and made me gargle.

Joe Rogan 21:26 You need a hit of this, Jamie.

Chris Distefano 21:27 Come on, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 21:28 You need a-

Narrator 21:28 Son-

Chris Distefano 21:28 This is-

Joe Rogan 21:29 ... you need a hit of this, son.

Chris Distefano 21:29 Jamie.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Come on, Jamie.

Narrator 21:30 I do not wanna throw up. I'll probably throw up right now.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Jamie, you would not throw up.

Narrator 21:33 I, I feel naup.

Joe Rogan 21:33 I feel like you need to join us.

Narrator 21:35 I have all this milkshake Starbucks in me.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Oh, listen, you're gonna be fine. Come on.

Chris Distefano 21:37 I, one, one little quickie.

Narrator 21:39 I can smell it from here. I just took a big-

Joe Rogan 21:41 (laughs) Take a quickie, Jamie.

Chris Distefano 21:43 Oh, I feel nauseous.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Jamie with a quickie, let's go. Oh.

Chris Distefano 21:49 Oh, shit, you got hit.

Joe Rogan 21:51 So good. They're so good.

Chris Distefano 21:52 Jamie-

Joe Rogan 21:52 These new ones are so good.

Chris Distefano 21:53 Yo, you know what's crazy-

Joe Rogan 21:54 Oh.

Chris Distefano 21:54 ... about that? I just hit that. I've had neck pain for, like, three days 'cause I slept wrong. My neck pain's gone.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Gone.

Chris Distefano 21:59 I just uncricked that shit.

Joe Rogan 22:00 Woo. Look at that. There we go.

Chris Distefano 22:02 All right, here we go. This is-

Joe Rogan 22:03 Theo Vaughn was a-

Chris Distefano 22:04 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:04 ... he was addicted to this. He kept hitting it. Remember that?

Chris Distefano 22:06 Really?

Joe Rogan 22:07 Theo hit it, like, four or five times, didn't he? He kept going.

Narrator 22:10 Wanting to go back in.

Joe Rogan 22:10 He went back. I think he hit, I think he hit it after the show.

Chris Distefano 22:14 I feel it in my eyes.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Yeah, feeling it everywhere, dude.

Chris Distefano 22:18 So this is, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:19 Woo.

Chris Distefano 22:19 ... some-

Joe Rogan 22:19 Can't be good for you.

Chris Distefano 22:20 ... Anejo Tequila, D- Siesta des-

Joe Rogan 22:22 Oh, it's beautiful.

Chris Distefano 22:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:23 It's brown tequila. I like it.

Chris Distefano 22:24 Brown Tequila Extra Anejo. So, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:26 Oh, dude, fantastic.

Chris Distefano 22:27 You want some?

Joe Rogan 22:27 Thank you.

Chris Distefano 22:28 Here we go, baby.

Narrator 22:28 There's a lid back on that.

Chris Distefano 22:29 Yeah. B- brought that, this is, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:30 Yeah, where's the lid?

Chris Distefano 22:31 The lid for the...

Joe Rogan 22:32 For this stuff.

Chris Distefano 22:33 Oh, for that stuff?

Joe Rogan 22:33 For this stuff.

Chris Distefano 22:34 Is this it?

Joe Rogan 22:35 No, that's-

Chris Distefano 22:35 I'm fucked up.

Joe Rogan 22:35 ... sets for your whiskey.

Chris Distefano 22:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:37 Oh my God, what'd you do with it?

Chris Distefano 22:38 Oh shit, the lid, oh, here, it fell down right here. Oh, hold on. Let me get it. Hold on. Let me get it. Hold on. I got it.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Oh my God.

Chris Distefano 22:43 Ah.

Narrator 22:44 Oh.

Chris Distefano 22:44 There you go.

Joe Rogan 22:46 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 22:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:46 We're in a panic with this fucking smelling salts. Ugh, it's so powerful.

Chris Distefano 22:51 Here you go, puppy.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Salud, my brother.

Chris Distefano 22:53 Salud. Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Cheers.

Chris Distefano 22:54 Cheers. Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Mm.

Chris Distefano 22:56 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 22:57 Oh.

Chris Distefano 22:58 That, uh, I've never-

Joe Rogan 22:59 Oof.

Chris Distefano 22:59 ... uh, I've never experienced something like that.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Yeah, these guys take it before they lift. Like, it j- I guess it just, uh, shocks the central nervous system and then they fucking ah.

Chris Distefano 23:08 Go wild, right?

Joe Rogan 23:09 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 23:09 But that's-

Joe Rogan 23:09 Pull up a picture of Jujumufu. You gotta see this dude. Well, you should watch actually video of him 'cause he's more impressive in video. He's really a crazy athlete.

Chris Distefano 23:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:17 He's not just, like, a powerlifter. He does, like, back flips and all this wild shit.

Chris Distefano 23:19 I wonder if they have that stuff on the, um... Dude, I j- by the way, I just saw, I don't know if you guys, he spoke about it on the show, I just saw something when I was coming in today that one section of the war in Russia, the Ukrainian soldiers on the front line have a four-hour lifespan.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Oh my God.

Chris Distefano 23:34 I was like, "What the fuck?" Four-hour life s- I was like, uh, is that even... How can that be real?

Joe Rogan 23:40 Is that real?

Chris Distefano 23:40 I saw it in the news article, four-hour lifespan, but I was just, it made me, that made me think of that. Like, I wonder if, like, what these soldiers, like when the Nazis used to take crystal meth before and then just go crazy.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Oh, yeah.

Chris Distefano 23:49 They do shit like that.

Joe Rogan 23:50 I don't think they do shit like that, but they definitely take amphetamines.

Chris Distefano 23:53 You have to, right?

Joe Rogan 23:54 That's, yeah, that's a common thing.

Chris Distefano 23:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:55 It, it helps them at war. I mean, the Vikings took mushrooms.

Chris Distefano 23:59 Really?

Joe Rogan 23:59 Yeah, the Viker, the Berserkers. What they would do is they'd get fucking high as fuck on-

Chris Distefano 24:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:04 ... psilocybin. They would-

Chris Distefano 24:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 ... chew down psilocybin. That's Jujumufu again.

Chris Distefano 24:07 Oh yeah, I've se- oh, I've seen this guy.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Look at that bro. The dude's doing a full split-

Chris Distefano 24:11 Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 24:11 ... sideways split while he's holding up two 45-pound plates that are dangling from rubber bands with a bamboo pole. Do you know how, like, unstable that is?

Chris Distefano 24:21 Uh.

Joe Rogan 24:22 Like, I wouldn't even be able to hold that over my head probably.

Chris Distefano 24:25 I wish-

Joe Rogan 24:25 This dude is balancing on a full split with, you know, in between two chairs. Like, he's a crazy athlete, man.

Chris Distefano 24:32 He's a crazy human being.

Joe Rogan 24:34 He's a crazy human being.

Chris Distefano 24:35 Uh, but, but a positive crazy.

Joe Rogan 24:36 But it's fun. It's fun.

Chris Distefano 24:37 Fun.

Joe Rogan 24:37 He's a fun dude.

Chris Distefano 24:37 And, and, uh, and, uh, yeah, I mean, that guy, he, I'm sure he, I think he intermittent fasts. Do you think he's into intermittent fasting, a guy like that?

Joe Rogan 24:44 I don't know. I would imagine-

Chris Distefano 24:45 That changed my-

Joe Rogan 24:45 ... he's into a lot of things.

Chris Distefano 24:46 Dude, that changed my whole life.I dropped 35 pounds.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 24:49 I fucking, I stopped, got off social media and I started intermittent fasting. Life changed, bro.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Good for you.

Chris Distefano 24:56 Life changed. It's literally, I just said to myself, "I can't give any more energy to things that are not helping me."

Joe Rogan 25:04 Right.

Chris Distefano 25:04 I can't give energy to strangers anymore. So I have somebody who runs my social media, Brian Morton, he's a big fan of ours. He's got hair like-

Joe Rogan 25:10 Shout out to Brian.

Chris Distefano 25:11 Shout out Brian. He's got hair like Lancelot, like medieval hair.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Nice.

Chris Distefano 25:13 Yeah, I've never seen a guy pull off a fucking medieval bob like this kid. But he runs it for me now and, um, and dude it's changed... I, I, I got to a point where I was 255 pounds and I was fucking around, right? I was 255 pounds, didn't even realize it, and I put on one of TT Jerry's wigs, like just chilling, whatever. And I got on the scale, just fucking, I don't know what I was doing. And I, and I looked 255 and I said to the mirror, I said, "You look like a fat Howard Stern right now."

Joe Rogan 25:39 Wow.

Chris Distefano 25:39 And it was funny, like my family were all laughing, "Ha, fat Howard Stern running around my tits." You know? And my daughter, everybody's having fun. And then, this was on my birthday, August, so just a few months ago. And then I get, go in the shower, right? And I'm not even thinking, it's like not even in my head. Out of nowhere, hysterical crying, bawling crying, like something hit me that I was suppressing. Like literally, like uncontrollable tears, like snot coming out of my nose, like a seven year old.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Wow.

Chris Distefano 26:07 Could not stop. And something like broke inside of me. And then I think this is where the universe comes in. It's not that it happened, like I think I just had probably seen stuff like this before, but now that my eyes were open to look, I started taking in information. And I'm on Twitter, like you know, two hours later just you know mindlessly scrolling, you know, dealing with the emotions, whatever. And I see a tweet from Elon Musk. And he's just, he wasn't, wasn't promoting this, he just was gen-, it was a genuine tweet. He goes, "The, uh, Zero intermittent fasting app is awesome." That's all he wrote. And I said, "I'm gonna download that app right now." And I downloaded this app, Zero Fasting app, and I was just like, "I'm just gonna do this for two weeks. I'm just gonna stay in a, in a, in a eight hour, six or eight hour feeding window. Don't worry about not eating sweets or pizza. Just eat all the food you want to eat, but just eat it in that window and let's see what happens for two weeks."

Joe Rogan 26:58 What does the app do?

Chris Distefano 26:59 So the app, what it pretty much, I mean, Joe DeRosa makes fun of me, he's like, "Dude, all it is is a fucking timer." You're like talking...

Joe Rogan 27:05 The app is just a timer?

Chris Distefano 27:05 He's like, 'cause, 'cause what basically when you...

Joe Rogan 27:07 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 27:07 He's like, "You're an asshole, dude."

Joe Rogan 27:08 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 27:08 You're like making it like this is from the Mayans. It's a timer on your phone, you jerk off.

Joe Rogan 27:13 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 27:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:15 The Mayans. Ah.

Chris Distefano 27:16 Yeah. So but basically-

Joe Rogan 27:17 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 27:17 ... when I start eating, like let's say I start eating, my first meal is at 10:00 AM. I p-, uh, you know, I'm eating from 10:00 to 6:00. And at 6:00 PM I press the button, start fasting. And then it starts to go. And then at, at not, at 10:00 AM I'll get a notification the next day, "Feeding window over. Congratulations." And then the more time you stay in the fast, it'll say, "Now you're in the fat burning, now you're in the ketosis," whatever. And so I just said to myself, "I'm gonna stay to this." And dude, in those two weeks, even though I was eating bullshit, in two weeks m-... it's not that the weight dropped, but the composition of my body was starting to change. And I noticed, I was like, "Oh, I, I ran like half a mile more. I p-... I had 10 more pounds on the end of the bench press." And then it just became like, "This is what I do now. Now I'm Chrissie intermittent fasting." But then I think-

Joe Rogan 28:03 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 28:04 ... I think the glasses and the watch is from the fasting. So I-

Joe Rogan 28:07 Well you're just, it's a full glow up.

Chris Distefano 28:08 I-

Joe Rogan 28:08 You're doing the body glow up too.

Chris Distefano 28:10 Yeah. And Jas, my girlfriend hates it. She's like, "What the..." You know? "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 28:14 Why does she hate it?

Chris Distefano 28:14 'Cause she's like, "You know, you, you, the glasses, the watch, the body. What the fuck are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 28:18 She doesn't like it?

Chris Distefano 28:19 I was like, "I'm trying to be healthy, babe."

Joe Rogan 28:20 She wants to keep you fat.

Chris Distefano 28:21 She wants to keep me fat.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Wow.

Chris Distefano 28:22 Yeah. She wants to keep me fat. And I told her-

Joe Rogan 28:25 Are you sure?

Chris Distefano 28:26 Honor-... Maybe not.

Joe Rogan 28:27 Maybe she's just, doesn't wanna put pressure on you.

Chris Distefano 28:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 She's worried if you're going crazy with all the watch and the glasses and the fat that you, you might snap.

Chris Distefano 28:35 Well, she gets worried about me 'cause I go, I go hard or go home. And she's like-

Joe Rogan 28:39 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 28:39 ... "You, you, you go too fast with things." She goes, "You go from zero to 100 and I just worry that you've lost all this weight in this good period, quick period of time. And I just worry that there's a, uh, you know, you go too hard and then something else happens." 'Cause she reminded me, she's like, "Remember the last time you lost all this weight this quick? It was 2018." And I said, "Yeah." And she's like, "And then remember all of 2019 you thought you were gay?"

Joe Rogan 29:01 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 29:04 (laughs) She was like...

Joe Rogan 29:08 (claps hands)

Chris Distefano 29:08 That's what I, I just don't want that to happen to me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:14 (laughs) Wow. Uh. Uh.

Chris Distefano 29:17 And that's what happened. And it's true, it, it tipped my personality.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Go hard or go home.

Chris Distefano 29:21 I go hard or go home. And that's the phase I'm in now with the glasses, with the wi-

Joe Rogan 29:24 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 29:24 ... with who I am. You know? Like I just book myself at the Four Seasons, I said, "I'm fucking living."

Joe Rogan 29:29 And by the way, you c-... (sighs) she can't, you can't worry-

Chris Distefano 29:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:34 ... about things like that.

Chris Distefano 29:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:35 Like, "Am I gay?"

Chris Distefano 29:37 Right. Yeah, because I've made a commitment to saying I'm not gay.

Joe Rogan 29:40 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 29:40 Um, at least f-... I have. I've kind of said, 'cause I've been on the fence a while, but I've said I'm not gay. You know what? You're not gay. And actually Tim Dillon, the great Tim Dillon told me-

Joe Rogan 29:49 He convinced you?

Chris Distefano 29:50 He convinced me I'm not gay 'cause he said, "You know-"

Joe Rogan 29:51 It's funny 'cause a lot of people thinks Tim's not gay. They think it's a scam.

Chris Distefano 29:55 They think Tim's not gay.

Joe Rogan 29:56 It's a scam.

Chris Distefano 29:57 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 29:58 It's a scam.

Chris Distefano 29:59 First Patreon.

Joe Rogan 30:00 Well it's a, it's a, like gives him the get out of jail free pass.

Chris Distefano 30:04 It's a good point.

Joe Rogan 30:05 Oh my God, there's so many things that he can make fun of that we can't even touch.

Chris Distefano 30:08 Yeah. Gay. Well, well, you know, that's smart.

Joe Rogan 30:10 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 30:11 So maybe I'm rethinking this gay thing, if that is a scam.

Joe Rogan 30:13 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 30:13 Maybe that's the scam of the century. But he said-

Joe Rogan 30:16 That's the move.

Chris Distefano 30:16 But he said an interesting thing, he said he knows I'm not gay 'cause even though I play around and I'll be like, you know, "Oh, you know-"

Joe Rogan 30:21 Right.

Chris Distefano 30:21 ... "joke." Be like, "I, I don't eat cock unless it's in my fasting window." Like you know, we'll joke around and whatever.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Right.

Chris Distefano 30:26 But then I asked him seriously once. I was like, "Do you think I'm like possibly gay?" And he was like-

Joe Rogan 30:30 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 30:31 And, and, and he was like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:36 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 30:36 And he said, "No." He said, "No because you know why you're not gay?" He said, "Because you actually are insecure about your body." He said, "So there's times where like, you know, you'll be like, 'Oh, my nipples are fat.'" Or like you'll... And he said, "A gay man usually lean in to body positivity and how sexy my body is," whatever. He said, "So since you don't," he's like, "I just don't think... Like a gay guy would be more like, 'Look at how, look at how imperfectly perfect I am.'"

Joe Rogan 31:03 That's interesting.

Chris Distefano 31:03 He said, "Most gay, most gay men..." Not, not Tim. Now Tim is a different breed 'cause it's a scam.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 31:08 But, but, but, but I, I was like, "Interesting." So that's h-... He kind of gave me the confidence to move forward and say, "You're not gay."

Joe Rogan 31:15 ... well, I'm glad he did that for you.

Chris Distefano 31:17 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 31:17 That's a true friend. (laughs)

Chris Distefano 31:20 'Cause Jasmine has brought up that she thinks I'm gay multiple times.

Joe Rogan 31:22 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 31:22 She's thought I'm gay when, right after sex. She's just, something... And I thought I laid it on her-

Joe Rogan 31:27 Interesting.

Chris Distefano 31:27 ... we had great, powerful sex, and she'd be like, "Honey," like, you know, rubbing my chest, she's like, "It's okay if you're gay." Like, "It's, everything is okay."

Joe Rogan 31:34 Whoa.

Chris Distefano 31:34 And I'm like, "Why do you think that..." Like, I... And then she'll never give me an answer, so-

Joe Rogan 31:38 Maybe that's what she wants.

Chris Distefano 31:40 Maybe that's what she wants. You know what? That's-

Joe Rogan 31:41 Maybe that's what she wants.

Chris Distefano 31:42 May-... Because I think if I was gay, then there would be less worry from her. 'Cause she's n-... 'Cause I don't think-

Joe Rogan 31:48 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 31:48 I don't think, I think her walking in on me with a woman is a lot harder than her walking in on me with Tim Dillon.

Joe Rogan 31:55 Right.

Chris Distefano 31:55 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 31:55 Right. That makes sense.

Chris Distefano 31:57 That w-... It, she would be able to accept that more. But I'm not gay, that's the thing. That's what I'm trying to say.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Congratulations.

Chris Distefano 32:03 Yeah. And, and if I was, by the way, I'd be supportive of it. I would-

Joe Rogan 32:06 And I would be supportive of it as well.

Chris Distefano 32:08 I'll say this-

Joe Rogan 32:09 Please do.

Chris Distefano 32:09 ... I'm gonna commit to not being gay-

Joe Rogan 32:11 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 32:11 ... at least to New Year's Eve of 2023. And that's-

Joe Rogan 32:14 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 32:15 And 2024, we start over, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Well, th- New Year's Eve of 2023, how many months is that? Where we at?

Chris Distefano 32:22 Uh, got, wh-

Joe Rogan 32:23 10.

Chris Distefano 32:23 10 months.

Joe Rogan 32:23 10 months. 10 months out. You can do it.

Chris Distefano 32:24 I can do... If... Listen, if I can keep my fasting window in six hours...

Joe Rogan 32:28 If you can keep that watch and those glasses on for two weeks...

Chris Distefano 32:31 I haven't taken them off once. Anthony Eden specifically told me-

Joe Rogan 32:33 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 32:33 ... don't go in the shower with them, I shower with them every day. Same thing with the watch.

Joe Rogan 32:37 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 32:38 He s-... When I went and got this watch-

Joe Rogan 32:40 Ugh.

Chris Distefano 32:40 ... from... Shout out my guy Yanni from Material Goods, he w-

Joe Rogan 32:42 It sounds like a guy who would sell you a watch.

Chris Distefano 32:43 He, he was wearing these glasses. He-

Joe Rogan 32:45 Oh my god.

Chris Distefano 32:45 I, uh, we had matching glasses on.

Joe Rogan 32:46 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 32:47 And, and, and he's a great guy, great guy. And he was like, "Do you know," he's awesome guy, he was like, "Do you know anything about watches?" I was like, "Not a thing." He was like, "Okay." So he goes, uh, he goes, "Why don't you go around the store and just pick out five watches that you really like? Don't know, you don't even know what the price is. Just pick out what you want." So I pick out five watches and he goes, "Hmm. Interesting." He was like, "How much do you think, uh, these are, total?" I was like, "I have no idea." I was like, "$20 grand." He was like, "You just picked out $1 million worth of watches." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:15 Oh my god.

Chris Distefano 33:16 I was like, "Whoa, whoa, wee wah." He was like, "So obviously, let's scale it back." He started explaining to me-

Joe Rogan 33:21 Jesus Christ.

Chris Distefano 33:22 ... the AP... I was a lu- I'm a lunatic. He started explaining to me the AP, the Rolex, the, the Patek, all that. And then he brought out this, the Royal Oak. And, you know, I, I, I... Santino had shown it to me, and I said, "It's a sign from God. Santino sent me a link to them-"

Joe Rogan 33:37 Santino has one of those.

Chris Distefano 33:38 Santino has one of these.

Joe Rogan 33:39 It's, they're beautiful watches.

Chris Distefano 33:40 Beautiful watches. And that price was wild. But I said... You know, I spoke to my accountant. I don't, I'm, I... You know, I got a family to run, so I try to be responsible financially. I spoke to my accountant, I said, you know, "Is it okay to buy this watch?" He said, "This is a new Chrissy, huh?" I said, "Yeah. I'm, I'm, um, I wanna live in this." He goes, "You sure that's not a spur of the moment decision?" I said, I said to my accountant, I said, fucking, "Do I have the green light or what? I'm ready to go." And he was like, "You can do it. It's an appreciating asset, so that's why I don't mind you doing it. You can do it, it appreciates, fine, do it." And then I fucking did it. And I gotta be honest, when I put this on, there was a part of me that was like, "What are you doing, Chris? What are you doing? This is not you. What are you doing?" But now that I've had it on, it kind of... You know what happened? It's like I instantly put it on...

Joe Rogan 34:21 What a beautiful watch.

Chris Distefano 34:22 Beautiful watch. I instantly put it on, and it took me back to 2010, to March of 2010. And I hadn't even thought about this, when I made the decision to do comedy. I was on the elliptical at Force Fitness in Ridgewood Queens. Shout out Force Fitness.

Joe Rogan 34:36 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 34:36 I was on the elliptical working out like a stepmom, and I was hitting those calories, and I was going hard. Go hard or go home, that's always been who I am. And I was on the elliptical, and I had been thinking about the idea of doing comedy for years, but I didn't have the balls to do it. And I said, "Chris," something popped in my head, I was listening to Fallout Boy on the, my headph-... It was i-... You know, an iPod back then. I was listening to Fallout Boy, and I... Something about the beat and the song gave me this adrenaline rush, and I started thinking about being on stage trying standup. And I said, "Once you get off this elliptical, once you hit your 45 minutes, you're gonna get off, you're gonna go back to your mother's house or where you live, you're gonna take a shower, and you're gonna go find an open mic, and you're gonna do this now." And I said, "I'm doing it," and I did it. I went and found the Creek and the Cave when it was in Long Island City Queens.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Oh.

Chris Distefano 35:19 Shout out Rebecca Trent. First open mic, and I walked into that open mic if 2010, and I saw a young Mark Normand, a young Sam Morill, a young Michael Che, all open micers. Nobody knew any-

Joe Rogan 35:29 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 35:30 And I knew they, they had already been doing it, and I was like, "These guys are great." And I went in there, did my five minutes, absolutely bombed, but I said, "I'm not turning back, and I'm gonna go on this journey of comedy." And when I put this watch on, something like teleported me back there and was like, "Dude, that decision, you went from the elliptical to affording this watch with jokes." And I was like, "Be proud of yourself. Don't..." If pe-... You know, one of my close friends were like, "You're a fucking douche for that." And I was like, "You know what? I'm not gonna let that shit get in. I, I'm proud of this."

Joe Rogan 35:57 Wait a minute. Your friend said you were a douche for buying the watch?

Chris Distefano 35:59 Yeah. He said I was a douche.

Joe Rogan 36:00 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 36:00 He was like, "You're fucking..." There's kids starving all over. I was like, "I give money to charity too." Like, I- I- I just felt like, why are you made... I said, I-

Joe Rogan 36:07 Oh, that's a ridiculous hater gesture.

Chris Distefano 36:10 I didn't even negotiate with him. In my head I said, "Don't let him... That's his problem." I said, "You're proud to do this. You're hap- I'm happy about this." I feel, I feel... I always beat the shit out of myself. I feel proud of myself for, for c- letting comedy get me to this. I- I- I feel proud.

Joe Rogan 36:25 Good for you. You deserve that.

Chris Distefano 36:26 Yeah, and I never really feel proud.

Joe Rogan 36:27 You deserve that thought.

Chris Distefano 36:27 No.

Joe Rogan 36:27 The idea that y- you should never engage in any luxury at all is like, it's ridiculous.

Chris Distefano 36:33 Yeah, I- I-

Joe Rogan 36:33 It's, it's silly. It's...

Chris Distefano 36:35 I s-

Joe Rogan 36:35 And it, uh, people somehow or another think like that you should give all of your money away because people are starving, but that's not gonna fix anything. Like you gotta fix things systemically. You gotta fix things at, uh, literally at the, the level... You have to be a- boots on the ground in wherever the problem is.

Chris Distefano 36:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:52 And the idea that you not buying that watch at 7:00 or keeping someone poor is so stupid.

Chris Distefano 36:56 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 36:57 Uh-

Chris Distefano 36:57 It's na- nothing to do with me. Like-

Joe Rogan 36:58 It's... Like-... y- if y- you either playing the game of capitalism, (clears throat) or you're not, you know? Uh, and everybody who works for a living is playing the game. You might not like the game, you might think the game's unfair.

Chris Distefano 37:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:09 But you can't get mad at Sony for buying something nice. You wanna buy something nice too. People like nice things, e- just like everybody has their own nice things.

Chris Distefano 37:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:16 For some people it's a nice guitar, with other people-

Chris Distefano 37:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:18 ... it's a watch. With some people it's a nice house.

Chris Distefano 37:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:21 (clears throat) It's not a bad thing.

Chris Distefano 37:22 Yeah, it's like, you know what? I- one part of me buys an expensive watch, the other part of me buys homeless people ice cream.

Joe Rogan 37:27 There you go.

Chris Distefano 37:28 I have duality.

Joe Rogan 37:28 You did, yeah. You really did. You covered both of them already.

Chris Distefano 37:30 Where my friend who's hating on me, he's not doing anything. He's li-

Joe Rogan 37:33 What does he do?

Chris Distefano 37:34 Works for sanitation.

Joe Rogan 37:35 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 37:35 DSNY. Shout out to sanitation. Garbage men are, are, you know, they're out there, but, you know, he's, he's angry every day.

Joe Rogan 37:40 You ever heard the quote that all criticism is a tragic result of unmet needs? I've used that way too much lately. That's the last time for a while.

Chris Distefano 37:47 All criticism-

Joe Rogan 37:47 I'm gonna take a break. ... is the tragic result of unmet needs.

Chris Distefano 37:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:52 It's a- that's a abbreviation. It's a- the full quote is actually more eloquent.

Chris Distefano 37:56 What's your favorite quote?

Joe Rogan 37:58 (smacks lips)

Chris Distefano 37:58 I feel like you're a quote... (whooshes) You, you're Joey quotes.

Joe Rogan 38:01 I don't have a favorite quote. I mean, it's, it's amazing that there's so many of them out there, though. That you can get them off your phone instantaneously. Like, people mock, like, meme quotes and inspirational quotes. (clears throat) But if you could find about Socrates in, like, a five-second little Instagram-

Chris Distefano 38:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 ... photo, and you, you read a quote and you're like, "Wow, that's pretty profound."

Chris Distefano 38:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:20 And then you go and read more of Socrates, and then next thing you know you're, like, reading his books.

Chris Distefano 38:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 Or you're reading, you know, uh, Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Or this-

Chris Distefano 38:28 Oh, that's-

Joe Rogan 38:29 ... wild book that's applicable-

Chris Distefano 38:31 The Stoic?

Joe Rogan 38:31 ... today.

Chris Distefano 38:31 That's sick. That's my favorite follow. That Stoic Instagram.

Joe Rogan 38:34 Oh, Stoic is great.

Chris Distefano 38:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Yeah. And R- Ryan Holiday is great too.

Chris Distefano 38:37 Oh, yeah. Ryan Holiday, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:38 It, th- this b-

Chris Distefano 38:39 He looks like the guy that killed four college students in Idaho.

Joe Rogan 38:41 (laughs) He does.

Chris Distefano 38:41 That's who I thought it was. I was like-

Joe Rogan 38:42 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 38:42 ... "Oh, the Stoic is a mass murderer."

Joe Rogan 38:44 He's out.

Chris Distefano 38:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:45 He's out. He's writing books about just-

Chris Distefano 38:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:47 ... being cool about everything. But-

Chris Distefano 38:49 Did you hear that, by the way? With Idaho, they're thinking about bringing back the firing squad if he gets convicted.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Oh my God. Well, they think he might have killed people in Washington State too.

Chris Distefano 38:58 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 38:58 Is that where it was? It was somewhere else. Th- there was a- another place where he lived where simil- similar crime took place, and they think he was studying, um, uh, crime in, in, in college-

Chris Distefano 39:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:11 ... in order to get better at it.

Chris Distefano 39:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:13 It's really e- it's an evil, scary story.

Chris Distefano 39:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 If, if all this, they're, they're accusing him is ac- of, uh, is accurate, it's horrific-

Chris Distefano 39:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:20 ... that that guy was out there.

Chris Distefano 39:21 Right. Dude, you wanna hear a wild story? So, my mom had a friend. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:25 Let's see if we can find out if that's true, though. Yeah.

Narrator 39:27 Which part?

Joe Rogan 39:27 The part where, um...

Narrator 39:29 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 39:29 They think that he might have committed a similar crime... (clears throat) excuse me, somewhere else.

Chris Distefano 39:34 Here we go. See, this is what's happening now. On an intermittent fasting stomach, I'm gonna start getting crazy. It's gonna, uh... it might get bad in here.

Joe Rogan 39:40 You wanna take another sniff?

Chris Distefano 39:42 Why the hell not?

Joe Rogan 39:43 All right, here we go. Ready? Oh. (knocks on wood) That was deep. Oh.

Chris Distefano 39:47 Joey went in.

Joe Rogan 39:48 I went in. Okay. Get in there, Chrissie. (sniffs) (laughing) Whoo! (blows) Jamie? No.

Chris Distefano 39:56 No? Jamie-

Joe Rogan 39:57 Jamie said no. I didn't e- I didn't even get his full name out before no was coming out of his mouth.

Chris Distefano 40:01 Jamie, that one burned. That one fogged up my glasses. (blows) That one burned, baby.

Joe Rogan 40:05 I get it, dude. I wanna lift right now. I wanna do some-

Chris Distefano 40:07 Seriously.

Joe Rogan 40:08 ... deadlifts.

Chris Distefano 40:08 I, I seriously, like-

Joe Rogan 40:10 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 40:10 Yeah, like I wanna fucking... I wanna, yeah-

Joe Rogan 40:12 Here, put the lid on it.

Chris Distefano 40:13 I wanna, I wanna, like, start doing jujitsu with you. I don't even know how to do it.

Joe Rogan 40:15 There's nothing like the- a freshie, when you open them up fresh.

Chris Distefano 40:18 That is a freshie.

Joe Rogan 40:19 Yeah, when you, when you let them sit for a while, they lose a lot of their potency. Like, we had one that was here for a few months, and it had lost a lot of kick. But damn, when you open them up fresh. I don't see anything about other crimes. If I'm trying, I'm looking still. Um, I believe it was where he was originally going to school. Yeah, it said he was Washington State. Yeah. Uh... But just... Did you... Google may have possibly committed similar crime in Washington State. Washington crimes.

Chris Distefano 40:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Just G- Google may have possibly committed si- wanted for possibly committing similar crimes. And there could be major links.

Chris Distefano 40:51 And a lot of serial killers come from this part of the country.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Right, that could be ma- ... he could be major linked to other murders. This is it, and this is in Newsweek.

Chris Distefano 41:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Oh, it's an article on it, so... Oh, it says, um, new evidence recovered may just be a major link to the Idaho murders. He's been accused of fatally stabbing University of Idaho students. The search warrant, which was reported by The New York Times, discussed several items which were taken from his residence. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, where is the thing about the other cases? Oh, here it is. (clears throat) He's pretending another place, but... And December 30th, he was arrested at his parents' residence in Pennsylvania. Uh, um, extradited to Idaho where he's currently charged. Kohberger was attending Washington State University at the time of the murders.

Chris Distefano 41:38 Yeah. He looks like the guy from The Stoic.

Joe Rogan 41:40 But there was s- e- he does. He looks a lot like him. Yeah, on that ro- But Ryan Holiday is, uh, m- quite a bit more handsome.

Chris Distefano 41:45 Ryan Holiday is a...

Joe Rogan 41:45 So this is, this is me- elder, like, meanier brother.

Chris Distefano 41:48 Yeah. Ryan Holiday.

Joe Rogan 41:49 That's what he looks like.

Chris Distefano 41:49 Hottie with a body.

Joe Rogan 41:50 (clicks tongue) But, uh... (clears throat) It says Pennsylvania was sifting through cold cases for links to him. Mm... Oh, it was Pennsylvania? Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. That's where he was found, I think.

Chris Distefano 41:58 Interesting. Yeah, that's where, yeah, they pulled him over and, uh, he was in his parent's house and p- 'Cause remember the media was saying, "We don't know. We don't have any leads," but the FBI was following him across the country.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Yeah, they can't just leak-

Chris Distefano 42:08 Yeah, you can't do that.

Joe Rogan 42:09 ... all that information. They're in the middle of an investigation of a fucking psycho.

Chris Distefano 42:12 But it is wild, like, what these, these... You know, y- he's famous now for these murders, but as you said, could be stuff before. My mom had a friend, right? Grew up in, um, Utah. 70... Maybe she's 18, 19 years old, uh, in whatever year of 70s, 80s, whatever. Goes on a date with a guy, right? Normal date. Just met him, I think, at the supermarket. Goes on a date with this guy and she's, um, at the table with him, and she feels very, like, a ominous feeling looking at this man. She's like, "I'm looking at him and I can see, like, there's nothing behind his eyes. Like, there's just something that I don't like about this guy." So, to the point where she has never done this, you know, had ne- never... She was only 18, but s- since this, has never done this. She went n- to a payphone at the restaurant, called her brother, and was like, "Can you please come pick me up, like, immediately?" And stayed in the bathroom until her brother was outside, and went in the car and left.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Wow.

Chris Distefano 43:09 And she was like, "I'm just creeped out by this guy. I can't explain it, I'm creeped out, all this energy, I'm creeped out, creeped out." Now, he had, this man, had picked her up from her house. So the brother had a paper route. He's leaving the next morning at 5:00 AM, sees some ruffling in the bushes. Okay. Crazy, right? Like, whatever. Sees a guy running out of the bushes, ex- says, "Holy shit," whatever, runs back in the house, tells his mom and dad, sister wakes up, says he was wearing like a beige jacket. She's like, "That's the guy I was on a date with." Like that, he was like waiting, he must have been like waiting for me, right? Whatever. Goes on, life goes on, what a psycho lunatic boyfriend. Three years later, Ted Bundy on the news. Face, she was on a date with Ted Bundy before he had committed any murders or, or, or he had committed murders but had not been famous for it yet, had not been convicted of it yet. She said when he saw him, he, she literally almost fell out of her chair 'cause she was like that look. She said that Ted Bundy, about, you know, h- how, you know, everyone says he's so handsome or whatever. She said he would get a look over him when he was preying on a victim, which she was, felt she was being preyed on, that she doesn't even loo- he was like, he does not look like that. His face configures and contorts to something that looks so sinister that she literally was like, "Get me away from him now." So I was like, "Whoa, fucking Teddy B."

Joe Rogan 44:31 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 44:31 Imagine you on a date with Ted, with a young Teddy B? That'd be fucking nuts, dude.

Joe Rogan 44:35 So, he had already committed murders?

Chris Distefano 44:38 If-

Joe Rogan 44:38 So he was already-

Chris Distefano 44:39 Yep.

Joe Rogan 44:40 ... and so he was looking to murder her, and he was giving that energy-

Chris Distefano 44:44 Yep.

Joe Rogan 44:45 ... out.

Chris Distefano 44:45 She said, you know, based off when all his crimes were exposed, from what the FBI said, when she went on a date with him, let's say it was 1978, he had already been convicted, uh, connected to murders in other parts of that... 'Cause his first murders were in like the Utah region and that's where they were.

Joe Rogan 45:00 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 45:01 Wild, right?

Joe Rogan 45:02 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 45:02 Dude. Fucking, it's pretty, it's pretty nuts. And then, I think I might have said this on the last one, but TT Jerry, when s- she was in prison, served prison time with the Son of Sam. She shared a wall with the Son of Sam. Two murderers. She shared a wall with the Son of Sam and, um, uh, Ronald DeFeo from the Amityville Horror house, the man who killed all those people in that, you know, the movie the Amityville Horror, who it was really based off, Ronald DeFeo. She was in prison with both of them at the same time, and the prisoners from Escape from Dannemora, who like, that, um, Showtime show that they made. So, sh- she was in like real deal prisoners. But she said the Son of Sam... Now this was months before the Netflix documentary came out. TT Jerry said, she's like, "You know, the Son of Sam, David, did not, did not kill all those people. He was involved in a cult. There were other murderers, but they, the, the city pinned it all on him." And then few months later this Netflix documentary comes out, came out a couple years ago, basically saying that most likely Son of Sam did not kill all those people. He killed maybe one or two, but there was other murderers that just got away with it.

Joe Rogan 46:07 Do you know the Henry Lee Lucas story?

Chris Distefano 46:09 Henry Lee Lucas. Well, I-

Joe Rogan 46:10 Henry Lee Lucas, they made a film about him called Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.

Chris Distefano 46:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:15 And it, it's a guy who got arrested for 62 murders, and he was basically a drifter, and he was traveling across the country murdering people.

Chris Distefano 46:24 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:24 But they think that what really happened was they came up to him and they said, "You know, hey Henry, you know, there was a few people that were killed behind the bushes in Indianapolis in '76. We'd sure love to solve that crime. Was that you?" "Yep, that's me. I killed them too." "Well how, did you do it with a knife? 'Cause we found a knife." "Yep, knife. Killed them with a knife."

Chris Distefano 46:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:47 And this guy was basically a dullard and may, may have killed people. Like may-

Chris Distefano 46:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:52 You know, a lot of drifters have killed people. But it seems like... Google that, make sure I'm correct on this. I think now they think that they attributed a bunch of crimes to him that he couldn't possibly have committed.

Chris Distefano 47:03 It's a wild thing, pe-

Joe Rogan 47:05 Look at this, the depraved serial killer who confessed to hundreds of murders.

Chris Distefano 47:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:08 See, this is it. So it was more than 62, which is what he was, I think he was originally charged with. 600 people. Okay. Drawn together by shared childhood trauma, Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole became lovers, then serial killers who terrorized America in the 1970s. So it's, but he confessed to hundreds of murders but they think that some of them he couldn't possibly have done.

Chris Distefano 47:31 But did he stay in prison for the rest of his life because of it?

Joe Rogan 47:36 Uh, yeah, he, I think they might have killed him.

Chris Distefano 47:38 In prison.

Joe Rogan 47:38 I don't, I don't know what happened. I don't know if he, I don't know if he's still alive. But see, see if he got, um, if that's a story, that they got him to confess to a bunch of murders that he couldn't have actually done.

Chris Distefano 47:48 That's a common thing though, right?

Joe Rogan 47:50 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 47:50 People confess to stuff all the time. You know, I- I- I... There's a show on Apple TV, it was called Blackbird, it just came out last year, it's about a real story about a guy who what his tactic would be is, is he murdered a lot of people but he would, he would say to the police, "Oh, I murdered that girl in that county. I'm confessing to it." But then they would go through the research and be like, "No you couldn't have possibly," but he would cop to it. And then the cops would be like... He did that like five times and they'd be like... Every county he was investigated in, they'd be like, "That's what he does, he confesses to murders, he's a bullshitter," but he really was killing people. He was using, he was confessing to false ones so he could get away with the real ones.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 48:27 Wild, right?

Joe Rogan 48:29 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 48:30 Yeah. So it's like some of these guys are so smart-

Narrator 48:32 ... it's a close shot.

Chris Distefano 48:33 Dude, the show Black-

Joe Rogan 48:34 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 48:34 ... this guy, this actor Wi- I think it's William Houser, uh, some-

Joe Rogan 48:37 He's good.

Chris Distefano 48:38 This is one of the best actors in my generation.

Joe Rogan 48:40 All all-time Houser.

Chris Distefano 48:41 No, Joe, I don't know if you know this guy. This guy's acting is like, um, Daniel Day-Lewis level. He is a phenomenal actor.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Really?

Chris Distefano 48:48 When you watch the show Blackbird, you cannot believe it, where I'm like-

Joe Rogan 48:51 And this is on Apple Plus?

Chris Distefano 48:52 Apple TV. It-

Joe Rogan 48:54 Yeah, very good.

Chris Distefano 48:54 This is one of the best shows I've seen.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Wow.

Chris Distefano 48:56 Came out last summer. This-

Joe Rogan 48:57 No shit.

Chris Distefano 48:58 This kid is literally, like, phenomenal. And then I- and then I'm watching 101 Dalmatians a day later with my kids, and he's in that. I'm like, "Look at this fucking lunatic."

Narrator 49:06 He plays, uh, Richard Jewell-

Chris Distefano 49:08 Yes.

Narrator 49:09 ... in the Jo- Richard Jewell movie about the Bo- Olympic Park bombing.

Chris Distefano 49:12 Yep.

Joe Rogan 49:12 Wow.

Chris Distefano 49:13 Unbelievable actor. He was also in that- in that sketch show, I think You Should Leave on Netflix, which is one of the funniest sketch shows I've ever seen in my life. He's got great sketches in that. That guy... But that show, Blackbird-

Narrator 49:23 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 49:23 ... was u- it's unbelievable. So basically, what happens is this guy, who, uh, who's from, um... he's from a bunch of movies. This kid is ripped, by the way. This kid has to be intermittent fasting.

Narrator 49:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:33 (laughs)

Chris Distefano 49:34 He, uh (laughs) . It- he-

Narrator 49:34 He's in The Watchm- not The Watchmen, though.

Chris Distefano 49:37 The, uh, the, um, y- with, uh, with, um, yeah, Samuel L. Jackson's in it.

Narrator 49:41 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 49:41 It's, um, it's a famous movie, and he's excellent in it. But basically, the premise of th- it's- it's based on a true story. This guy, the guy, th- the hottie with the body, he gets convicted, 10 years in prison for gun charges. Go- I think this guy outta Massachusetts. So- and he was a good con man, right? This is all real. Good con man, could- you know, gift of gab, whatever. So the FBI wants to pin the- the guy with the mutton chops, Houser, they wanna pin... Larry Hall is his name in real life, they wanna pin murders on him. They know that they've kind of caught up to his game now. They know that he lies about murders here to commit murders here. They know it, but they gotta convict- they gotta get him to confess to one of these murders, 'cause they found the girl's body, 'cause he was killing kids, like 14-year-old girls. Like brutal shit, raping them, horrific.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Wow.

Chris Distefano 50:24 So they say to this kid, to the- to the jacked guy, they say, "Look, you got the gift of gab. You got 10 years in federal prison, okay? You're three months into your sentence. We're gonna transfer you to this maximum security prison where Larry Hall is. If you can get him to confess to the murder of this girl that we have evidence on, and you can get that, your sentence is commuted immediately, and you're out of prison. That's all you gotta do." But he was in a minimum security prison, so he would be able to either coast through 10 years or take a chance and go to the prison with murderers, rapists, and potentially be murdered in the shower stall. But if he can convi- get this guy, gift of gab, and get him to confess, then he'll get out.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Holy shit.

Chris Distefano 51:05 And that's what the show is about, and it was... Dude, amazing show.

Joe Rogan 51:08 Wow.

Chris Distefano 51:08 Like edge of my seat. It was one of the best shows I've seen in a long time.

Joe Rogan 51:12 Th- f- that's aw- that's awesome.

Chris Distefano 51:13 I wanna watch it- I wanna watch it again on smelling salts.

Joe Rogan 51:16 Thank you for bringing that up. I'm- I'm fucking pumped about that. I've been looking for a new show.

Chris Distefano 51:20 Yeah. Oh, and by the way, before... let me just finish your thought about Jerry. What I wanted to say is, the Son of Sam thing he said, you know, he was a serial killer, yes, and don't get me wrong, murderer, you know, deserves to be in prison. He said the biggest fucking lunatic... Like, he was like the only person who I met, I was like, this guy needs to be, like, either put to death or kept, like, in a cage, like, under the jail. He said was Ronald DeFeo, who... the Amityville Horror House guy. Because he said he would cook for him all the time, Ronald DeFeo, and he would, like, let Ronald DeFeo, like, jerk off to him. He'd... they would put, like, a prison mirror, and he would, like... 'cause he was trans, Jerry, so he would shake his ass a little bit and let Ronald, like, get his rocks off, whatever. He didn't care. He said but every morning, he would make Ronald DeFeo Jr., like, a little breakfast in his little, you know, they had, like, little, um, hot- hot stoves in there. They would let prisoners like Jerry, after you did enough time, give you some stuff. He'd make a little bacon and stuff for him, and he said every morning, like clockwork, seven days a week every morning, bring Ronald his food and say, "How was your- how was your night, Ronald? How- how you feeling?" He was like, "Good. I feel good. I just... I s- I didn't kill my grandma. It's the only thing. I just... I g- I killed everyone in that house, but I did not get my grandma. So... But everything el- other than that, it's good." And Jerry would be like, "Okay." And then keep mo- so he's like, still, he's in prison for the- and that is true. The only one he didn't kill in that house, the grandma, either got out or wasn't there, but he was- he was like... There's no rehabilitation for that man. He genuinely believes if he does not kill his... He would say to him, "If I don't kill my grandma, I'm not getting into heaven." So he had it warped. He killed his entire family, and he's like, "That's how I get to heaven. But I gotta get the grandma." And then he died in prison recently, but I was like, "Whoa."

Joe Rogan 52:50 Whoa.

Chris Distefano 52:51 Whoa. Shit, I know. It's- it's- it's wild.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Yeah, there's people that are just not wired correctly.

Chris Distefano 52:57 Dude, I've seen-

Joe Rogan 52:58 And that's- that's- that's a real problem-

Chris Distefano 53:00 Yep.

Joe Rogan 53:00 ... with this homeless situation. It's a real problem with, like, uh, this guy in Idaho.

Chris Distefano 53:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:06 There's people that are just-

Chris Distefano 53:07 Pedophiles.

Joe Rogan 53:07 By the way, shout out to the FBI for finding that guy.

Chris Distefano 53:10 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Thank you.

Chris Distefano 53:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:11 'Cause the FBI takes a lot of shit justifiably for-

Chris Distefano 53:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:14 ... you know, like agent provocateur accusations-

Chris Distefano 53:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:18 ... at Th- the Capitol's riot. But the fact they caught this fucking psycho, that shows you how-

Chris Distefano 53:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:24 ... necessary they are.

Chris Distefano 53:25 The FBI is the FBI, okay?

Joe Rogan 53:26 They need to be there. Like you can't say, "Let's disband the FBI." Jesus fucking Christ.

Chris Distefano 53:31 Listen, here- here's the-

Joe Rogan 53:32 Like pe- but people think like that. It's the same as defund the police, defund this, defund the military. Like, settle the fuck down.

Chris Distefano 53:38 Yeah, it's like, you know, when you hear people go off, they're just regurgitating things they hear on social media.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Right.

Chris Distefano 53:42 It's like what do you th-... The American justice system is the best justice system in the world. The FBI is the top. The US military is the top of the top. Like what are we talking about here. You know? Like I-

Joe Rogan 53:52 And it's not perfect. No one's saying it's-

Chris Distefano 53:54 Of course. No-

Joe Rogan 53:54 No one's saying it's perfect.

Chris Distefano 53:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:55 But the- the- the defunding thing, I don't- just don't agree... I see what the results are-

Chris Distefano 54:01 No.

Joe Rogan 54:01 ... when it comes to police.

Chris Distefano 54:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:02 It's a- not a good result.

Chris Distefano 54:04 No, dude.

Joe Rogan 54:04 And if they don't change course, this is bad. For everybody.

Chris Distefano 54:07 No, dude. I've been yelling refund. I yell refund the police. I'm in... I- I love the police.

Joe Rogan 54:11 I think they need to be trained.

Chris Distefano 54:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:12 And it needs to be a- a- a position that's difficult to acquire that gets respected. Now how you make that shift? But it's gotta be like... Y- you know, people are terrified of this concept of militarizing the police, and rightly so. So you don't want-

Chris Distefano 54:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:26 ... tanks rolling down the street and martial law and dictators who are essentially, you know-

Chris Distefano 54:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:31 ... they used to be governors, now they're dictators, and they're controlling populations.

Chris Distefano 54:34 Yeah. No thanks.

Joe Rogan 54:34 You don't want that, but you don't want untrained people in that role, and you don't want people that don't have a- a real clear understanding of what to do in any scenario, so they have to run drills the same way they do it in the military.

Chris Distefano 54:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:47 In the military, they're constantly training. They... If you're in a special operations group, like my friends that have been in the SEALs, the- they...... fucking constantly train-

Chris Distefano 54:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:57 ... for any scenario they're trying to do.

Chris Distefano 54:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Any, any, uh, like, breach, they're trying to get into a house, they train. They have... That's a thing that police should be doing too all the time.

Chris Distefano 55:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Jocko Willink, who was a-

Chris Distefano 55:08 I know Jocko.

Joe Rogan 55:08 ... Navy SEAL commander-

Chris Distefano 55:09 Sure, of course.

Joe Rogan 55:09 ... who's the fucking... He's the man. I love that guy to death.

Chris Distefano 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 But one of the things that he said is, like, you have to train people in order for them to be able to respond in high-pressure situations.

Chris Distefano 55:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:20 So you have to train them of all the possible scenarios. And, by the way, you should be able to have some sort of physical confrontation. You cannot be completely unskilled physically and be a police officer and be 100% effective.

Chris Distefano 55:34 No.

Joe Rogan 55:35 When you see those people when they get tackled and guys get on top of them, they don't know what to do, and you're like-

Chris Distefano 55:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:40 How do you not have any understanding of grappling, and you're engaged in these physical altercations with people?

Chris Distefano 55:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Like, Andrew Yang said you should be l- at least a purple belt in jujitsu.

Chris Distefano 55:50 I agree with that.

Joe Rogan 55:51 I think he said, which is a great concept.

Chris Distefano 55:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:53 The purple belt's a very proficient level of jujitsu.

Chris Distefano 55:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:56 Yes, 100%. You should know how to defend yourself, but you should also be, like, well-funded and well-trained, and it'd be, it should be a more prestigious position. I think we put cops in the same category that we put, like, teachers sometimes.

Chris Distefano 56:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:10 We need them, we know we need them, but we don't, like, really care and support them.

Chris Distefano 56:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:13 And we only look at them when they do terrible things.

Chris Distefano 56:16 Yeah, I, I think too, I think it's in Germany, they have to go through two years of schooling and training to become a police officer. I think with NYPD, I think it's only six months.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Well, Germany went through some shit.

Chris Distefano 56:27 Yeah, Germany-

Joe Rogan 56:27 They, uh, they had a hard time with some bad policing.

Chris Distefano 56:30 Yeah, yeah, Germany, they, they, they, as the kids say, came out the pocket, Germany.

Joe Rogan 56:34 Jesus Christ.

Chris Distefano 56:34 They, they went a little wild for a little-

Joe Rogan 56:36 Could you imagine living in Germany now and going, "Wait a minute, what did we do?"

Chris Distefano 56:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:40 Like, how long ago was that?

Chris Distefano 56:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 80 years ago?

Chris Distefano 56:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:42 What the fuck?

Chris Distefano 56:43 Dude, how about this? I'm from a place in New York, Ridgewood, Queens, right? It's like Queens Brooklyn, but Ridgewood, right? Big time German neighborhood. When I grew up, like my mom's German, you know, hardcore German. When I grew up, it was the Germans were like fading away, but still somewhat there. There was a German man who lived across the street from me, like 98-year-old guy. So 1937, 1937 or '38, the Nazis sold out Madison Square Garden.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Yes, I've seen that.

Chris Distefano 57:09 The rally, right? The bakery that's still there in my neighborhood was the one that catered it-

Joe Rogan 57:15 Holy sh-

Chris Distefano 57:16 ... for the Nazis. 'Cause this is before, this is pre-Holocaust now, this is not-

Joe Rogan 57:19 Right, no one knew what the Nazis were going to be. This is just a political party. Right.

Chris Distefano 57:22 So that, so then, when I asked-

Joe Rogan 57:24 Look at that.

Chris Distefano 57:25 Yeah, yeah, the baker in my neighborhood-

Joe Rogan 57:26 What, what did they stand for then? Did what they stand for alter over time? Like, were the Nazis always anti-Jew and, and-

Chris Distefano 57:35 No.

Joe Rogan 57:35 ... about the Aryan race?

Chris Distefano 57:36 No.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Or did that become that?

Chris Distefano 57:37 No, it became that, it was just pro-Germany. It was-

Joe Rogan 57:40 Oh.

Chris Distefano 57:40 ... we were ravaged by... Germany was ravaged, World War I, high inflation, so all, all Hitler and the Nazi Party did was say, "We're going back, pro-German. This, everything's coming through Germany. Jobs coming through Germany, Germany, Germany, Germany." So people looked at that and saw patriotism and nationalism in the United States and said, "I fuck with that, I support that."

Joe Rogan 58:00 Oh.

Chris Distefano 58:01 The Holocaust and all that came very quickly a couple of years later, but that was not the message back then.

Joe Rogan 58:05 That's why people are so scared of nationalism.

Chris Distefano 58:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:07 That's why people are so scared of powerful-

Chris Distefano 58:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:10 ... like, charismatic leaders.

Chris Distefano 58:12 It-

Joe Rogan 58:12 'Cause, like, that is a-

Chris Distefano 58:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:13 ... that's a piece of history that's repeated over and over and over again.

Chris Distefano 58:17 It, it-

Joe Rogan 58:17 I mean, how many times in history has genocide been committed?

Chris Distefano 58:20 If you told a 1935 German that, "Hey, in six years, you're gonna be gassing and exterminating fellow German citizens that are Jewish," they would say, "Not possible. That's not gonna happen," but then it did. Just like the same, if you told someone in 1855, "Hey, f- six years from now, you're gonna be a civil war, brothers are gonna be killed," they would say, "No, no that's not gonna happen," and then boom, it happens.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Look at this.

Chris Distefano 58:44 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Madison Square Garden, pro-American rally.

Chris Distefano 58:47 Yep, and, and let me tell you something what I-

Joe Rogan 58:49 So the Nazi was a pro-American rally?

Chris Distefano 58:51 Pro-American rally catered by the bakery in my neighborhood. So I know one thing for sure, at this rally, they had excellent Linzer tarts. The Linzer tarts in that bakery, I mean, unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 59:01 How weird.

Chris Distefano 59:02 Yeah, look at that. I mean, yeah-

Joe Rogan 59:04 So strange.

Chris Distefano 59:04 So that's the thing is, like, you know, and I get it, like, today's society, like, the kids, you know, they'll just get a five-second clip on TikTok and think they know the history of the world. They, they're not reading the books, they're not doing the research. You know, I watch this stuff and it's, it's, it's, you know, no excuse for what the Germans did. It was horrifying.

Joe Rogan 59:20 Why, why are they beating this g- guy up? What's going on?

Chris Distefano 59:22 He just rushed the stage, I think. He rushed the stage? He rushed the stage.

Joe Rogan 59:24 I think so.

Chris Distefano 59:24 Yeah, he rushed, yeah, he rushed the stage and said, um, you know, climate change is real.

Joe Rogan 59:28 (laughs) So, so-

Chris Distefano 59:28 It's a big sign.

Joe Rogan 59:29 ... there's always been, like, Antifa characters.

Chris Distefano 59:33 From day one, there's always been protestors. Even in the '30s.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Well, yeah, but, like, radical ones like this-

Chris Distefano 59:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:36 ... that did rush the stage.

Chris Distefano 59:37 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing too, when you start to get into history, you realize, like, everything happens, it's just different characters. You know, it's different reasons why, but it's the same mindset, the same personalities. It's like-

Joe Rogan 59:47 So interesting. Look how thin everyone is.

Chris Distefano 59:49 Yeah. Yeah, there's my grandfather-

Joe Rogan 59:50 Everyone looks so healthy back then.

Chris Distefano 59:50 ... dancing in the back. I think those are kids. No, those are kids, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:53 They are kids, but then look how thin the kids are. If you got a group-

Chris Distefano 59:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:55 ... of kids like that today, what are the odds they're gonna be thin?

Chris Distefano 59:58 I know.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Kids looked so healthy back then. Like, look, all the people. If you look-

Chris Distefano 1:00:01 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 ... at all the people, like, none of them are obese.

Chris Distefano 1:00:03 No, none of them are obese.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Which is, look at that, the guy has no pants on.

Chris Distefano 1:00:05 No, yeah, he's just fully butt naked.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 He's, they're screaming, "Ah."

Chris Distefano 1:00:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Well, probably mentally ill too.

Chris Distefano 1:00:11 And look there's a picture of-

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Just mentally ill people.

Chris Distefano 1:00:12 ... and you see they had George Washington in the back.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Yeah.

Chris Distefano 1:00:14 Wow. That was the background 'cause they were honoring... They, they, the Germans and the Americans at that time believed, oh, you know. Dude, I read a book called The Nazi Symbiosis that, um, kind of said that, um, the president, uh, you know, uh, uh, Winston Churchill and FDR knew about the Holocaust stuff happening. They, they knew about it. You know, they had their intelligence, right, secret service, whatever, and they knew about it. But, and so what I'm saying is that, um, the, the Holocaust in initial stages, horrific, can't state that enough, but was yielding medical results. They were getting, like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 What?

Chris Distefano 1:00:49 Yeah, they were, like, different t- I don't know the exact ones, but there were different types of medications that we use today came out of the Holocaust, different types of lab results. They were, 'cause they were just using them as guinea pigs-

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Oh.

Chris Distefano 1:00:58 ... human beings. So it was yielding results-

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 Jesus.

Chris Distefano 1:01:00 ... and so they were allowing it to happen. It wasn't until Hitler-... crossed the line, I mean, he crossed the line from the beginning, but when stopped yielding results and just started gassing everybody, did Churchill and everybody said, "Okay, now we gotta go in." So nobody's innocent. You know what I mean? Nobody's innocent in the war. You know, like I just did a whole, I do a segment on, I do a YouTube thing called Chrystories where I do a history thing, and I just did the Rape of Nanking. And if you know-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Oh, my God. I do know about that.

Chris Distefano 1:01:25 So I was getting so much shit on the internet from Japanese people saying that what I am spewing is disinformation. And I'm like, "There's pictures and video, there's pictures of Japanese soldiers bayonetting Chinese babies in front of their family." So I'm not, it's not disinformation, it's just you have to accept history as it is. Like every group, whoever has power, will act in a certain way that's not right. It's a human thing. Most groups do that. And y- it's not just one thing. Like I feel like we live in a society now where it's like only one group of people were the bad guys throughout history. It's like, no, no, no, no, everybody's been a bad guy at some point, it's just who had power when.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Well, I think we're just aware of human nature now-

Chris Distefano 1:02:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 ... uh, in a different way. You know, like if you look at the work of like guys like Steven Pinker that talk about like-

Chris Distefano 1:02:09 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 ... crime and history.

Chris Distefano 1:02:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 And, and if you look at the, the, the trend, everything is going to a less violent, safer place to live-

Chris Distefano 1:02:17 Sure, yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 ... with l- less crime.

Chris Distefano 1:02:19 I agree.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 But our history is so filled with it.

Chris Distefano 1:02:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 It's so filled with horrific actions and war. If you just go from the, the moment people started writing things down, they're writing down the history of war, they're writing down the history of conquests-

Chris Distefano 1:02:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 ... they're writing down the history of raids, they're writing down-

Chris Distefano 1:02:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 It's, it's all, it's like baked into people.

Chris Distefano 1:02:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 And if you give people, especially back then with no internet, right?

Chris Distefano 1:02:45 Oh, my God, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 No way, no way for other people to find out, no way, unless the, the newspapers were reporting on it, unless you have boots on the ground, you have to have-

Chris Distefano 1:02:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 ... photographs, you have to have video. It's so hard for the truth to get out. So they could do whatever the fuck they wanted if they had the guns-

Chris Distefano 1:03:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 ... if they pulled it. They, and people have, it's almost like if you put us in that scenario, you put us in the scenario of war, it's like a program that just gets activated in our minds.

Chris Distefano 1:03:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 And we can, we can murder in other people very easily.

Chris Distefano 1:03:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 There's programs that like, one, one of the things you find out when you hunt, all right, the first time I ever went hunting, I sh- I shot this deer and I was like, "Oh, wow."

Chris Distefano 1:03:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Like, this is like a-

Chris Distefano 1:03:25 You took a life.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 ... program in the brain that we're gonna eat this now.

Chris Distefano 1:03:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 That you go after something, you d- and when you're successful-

Chris Distefano 1:03:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 ... it's like you, it recognizes that there's this area of your mind that has always existed.

Chris Distefano 1:03:37 Yes. Sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Sure. There's a area of your mind that's always existed-

Chris Distefano 1:03:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 ... it just hasn't been activated by action.

Chris Distefano 1:03:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 And then once it hits there, it's like, oh, there's a historical precedent for this, th- this, this mindset.

Chris Distefano 1:03:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 There's a historical precedent for this vibe. This is the like hunter-gatherer vibe.

Chris Distefano 1:03:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 And you're like, "Wow." People get it when they catch a fish. When you catch a fish, there's this like feeling like, "Whoa." It's this exciting feeling.

Chris Distefano 1:03:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 And it's like a, you're, you're tapping