Joe Rogan Experience #1950 - Derek Wolfe

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) So, uh, first of all, that's a fucking hell of a ring, sir. Look at that, that's the real deal. I always wanted to see what one of those, like... Holy shit, fuck, look at the size of his finger. (laughs)

   3. DWDerek Wolfe0:22

      (laughs) Bro, my thumb slides over that like nothing. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      That's hilarious. If you don't think Vikings were real.

   5. DWDerek Wolfe0:28

      (laughs) Size 18.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      That's hilarious. That is so fucking big, dude. What's your thumb?

   7. DWDerek Wolfe0:35

      I don't know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:35

      Your thumb's like a fucking broomstick. That's ridiculous.

   9. DWDerek Wolfe0:39

      Fucking giant thumb.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       (laughs)

   11. DWDerek Wolfe0:40

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       How big were you in high school?

   13. DWDerek Wolfe0:43

       Uh, my senior year, I was like 6'5", 280 pounds.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       (laughs)

   15. DWDerek Wolfe0:48

       I wrestled, I was a heavyweight, I wrestled heavyweight, so...

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Wow. Did you ever think about doing MMA when you-

   17. DWDerek Wolfe0:54

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah, did you?

   19. DWDerek Wolfe0:55

       Oh, yeah. Well, I, tr- you know, I trained... I started boxing with Henry Hooft down in South Florida-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       No shit.

   21. DWDerek Wolfe0:59

       ... with the, with the Blackzilians-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       I love those guys.

   23. DWDerek Wolfe1:01

       ... back in 2011, 2012, when I first got into the league. And I was training for the combine, and I was like, "Man, I really like... I'm really into this MMA stuff." And I just started doing it, and, uh, like, sparring with, uh, just, like, wrestling with, uh, Overeem a little bit.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Oh, wow.

   25. DWDerek Wolfe1:16

       So I would wrestle with him, keep him against the cage and, you know, just hold, you know, drop to a single, bring him down, you know? And he's like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Right.

   27. DWDerek Wolfe1:22

       ... "You wrestle?" You know? I was like, "Yeah, I wrestle, man, I know what I'm doing."

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       (laughs)

   29. DWDerek Wolfe1:25

       Um, and then I, then I, when I moved to Colorado, like fulltime training, 'cause I used to go to South Florida to train, and I stopped that once I got married, (laughs) you know, so I had to st- I had to end that, and I moved to, uh, um, Trevor Wittman's gym.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Oh, that's a great fucking gym, too.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh. …

   1. DWDerek Wolfe15:00

      me 20 million.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Oh.

   3. DWDerek Wolfe15:02

      Fucking pissed. My own teammate. He didn't mean to, you know, it's not his fault.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Yeah.

   5. DWDerek Wolfe15:05

      But it was like, on a dead fucking play, I was losing my shit. I fucking slammed my helmet. I was like, "These motherfuckers." Like I was blaming the refs, blaming everybody.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      (laughs)

   7. DWDerek Wolfe15:13

      Fucking, "Fucking refs. I'm gonna sue the fucking refs."

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      (laughs)

   9. DWDerek Wolfe15:15

      (laughs) I'm like, "What the..." My turn. Or, you know, you gotta think. And then here's the other thing, before games, I was taking microdoses. So I'm microdosed and I'm at like full-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       You taking mushrooms?

   11. DWDerek Wolfe15:26

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Yeah.

   13. DWDerek Wolfe15:27

       Yeah. Before games. So I'm taking mushrooms.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       That's the Viking in you. (laughs)

   15. DWDerek Wolfe15:30

       Yeah. I'm fucking taking mushrooms and fucking Adderall.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Wow. (laughs) Oh my God.

   17. DWDerek Wolfe15:35

       Before I play.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       What a combination.

   19. DWDerek Wolfe15:37

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       What is that like, mushrooms and Adderall?

   21. DWDerek Wolfe15:39

       Dude, the fucking focus is out of control. And I would just like... before games, I would like... I would like get myself pissed off, so I just would start thinking about my childhood, like the shit that I went through as a kid.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Whoa.

   23. DWDerek Wolfe15:51

       And it would fucking get me in this rage mode, and I w-... it was like this crazy controlled rage.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       So Adderall, mushrooms, and childhood rage-

   25. DWDerek Wolfe15:59

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       ... all together in a 280-pound savage? (laughs)

   27. DWDerek Wolfe16:03

       Dude. Well, I was like 300 pounds then, you know.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Oh my God.

   29. DWDerek Wolfe16:06

       I was like 20 pounds heavier than I am now us-... when I was playing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       (exhales) Oh my God.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   So this light thing…

   1. DWDerek Wolfe30:00

      and I'm like, "What the fuck?" You know? Because I was like releasing this trauma that like, because the body keeps the score, man. So like I was, like I was releasing that trauma during this.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      So this light thing and someone's guiding you, like what is it doing to your mind? Like-

   3. DWDerek Wolfe30:14

      It took me... I was able to go into this... So I was able to go to my young self, to the young Derek, and I was able to like comfort him.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Whoa.

   5. DWDerek Wolfe30:23

      And like, it helped me grow as a person because I was stuck in that trauma.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      Whoa.

   7. DWDerek Wolfe30:27

      Stuck there. I was like st- I didn't, I couldn't grow. You can't grow unless like, like I gotta, I had to like let him know like, "You're safe. You're good. It's all good." It- it should... Sounds wild, but it- it's real, man. I really fucking did that. Like, and then we got in- into it deeper because some of the- some of my like frustration in life is not knowing who my father is and knowing my ancestors, because that's like important to me. So we like dug deep in... This is before I ever did any kind of ancestry DNA shit.And we dug deep into this, into these past lives. And I went... I, it took me into this fucking Viking camp, and I was... Dude, it's fucking wild. Like, I'm gonna get into it. People are gonna, like, be, like, "You're fucking nuts," but I'm telling you-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:03

      So were you under hypno- Like, what does it feel like?

   9. DWDerek Wolfe31:05

      It's like, it's-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Are you being hypnotized or-

   11. DWDerek Wolfe31:06

       ... it feels like you're in a dream.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       You're in a dream?

   13. DWDerek Wolfe31:09

       I felt like I was in a fucking dream, and it-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Are your eyes closed?

   15. DWDerek Wolfe31:12

       Y- no. Your eyes are open.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       Your eyes are open?

   17. DWDerek Wolfe31:14

       My eyes are open, but, like, the lights kind of, like... You can't see anything but the lights, so your mind is, like, the only thing that's really working.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Mm-hmm.

   19. DWDerek Wolfe31:20

       And you're, and you're breathing, and then you can hear this woman. And then, like, I go into this Viking camp, and I'm there, and I'm, like, with my, my woman, right? And I'm getting ready to go to war. She's, like, putting me in fucking armor, and-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Whoa.

   21. DWDerek Wolfe31:33

       ... or not armor, but putting my, like, fucking hide, like, this wolf hide or something on me, you know? And then I grab my fucking ax and a, and a shield, and I go to war. And I'm out there fucking, like, like, murdering people out on, on the fucking battlefield, just going ham, you know, just fucking axing people, and, like, it was crazy, like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       So you felt this?

   23. DWDerek Wolfe31:52

       I could feel it. I could feel it. It was like I was doing it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Wow.

   25. DWDerek Wolfe31:55

       And then, when I came out of that, when it, when I... Well, I was betrayed in this fucking-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       In the battle?

   27. DWDerek Wolfe32:01

       ... dream. I was betrayed by my brother, whoever my brother was, he betri- he, they betrayed me because they didn't want me to marry this woman 'cause she was, like... To them, you know, she was like... They couldn't control me anymore.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Whoa.

   29. DWDerek Wolfe32:14

       So they... I... So they didn't want me to marry this woman, and I did, and then they fucking had me killed.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       This was all in the j- in this experience?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yep. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      out back down to, like, just pure savage people that just scratch and clawing to stay alive, and then they rebuilt civilization, well, you would have the echoes of that barbarism just running through cultures. And that's what we have.

   2. DWDerek Wolfe45:13

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      And that's really... When you see the Vikings, when you, when you, you think about the Mongols, you think about the horrific shit that people did to each other just a couple thousand years ago. And then a few thousand years before that, you have this immensely sophisticated civilization in Africa that's building s- giant stone structures in perfect geometry. Like, what happened?

   4. DWDerek Wolfe45:35

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:35

      What the fuck happened?

   6. DWDerek Wolfe45:36

      So, yeah, it has to be. It has to be.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:37

      Makes sense.

   8. DWDerek Wolfe45:37

      I totally believe in that. Uh, this is... What's the documentary called?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:41

      Um, well, the... Graham Hancock's is called-

   10. GUGuest45:43

       Well, there's a-

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       ... Natural Catastrophes.

   12. DWDerek Wolfe45:45

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. GUGuest45:45

       Ancient Apocalyp-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Oh, okay, Ancient Apocalyp-

   15. DWDerek Wolfe45:47

       Ancient, Ancient Apocalypses.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       (laughs) It's a terrible name.

   17. GUGuest45:49

       Ancient Apocalypses.

   18. DWDerek Wolfe45:49

       He said Natural-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Natural Catastrophes. (laughs)

   20. DWDerek Wolfe45:51

       Natural Catastrophes is just Ancient Apocalypses.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       Ancient Apocalypses. And Graham's, uh, is, is I think, I believe it's seven pieces? Seven? How many parts is it?

   22. GUGuest45:59

       Uh, hold on actually. It's four.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       It's at least four. But it's all different-

   24. DWDerek Wolfe46:02

       I watched it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       It's amazing.

   26. DWDerek Wolfe46:03

       It's fucking great.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       It's amazing. And that, this is what he's pointing out. And archeologists are very hesitant to get on board with it because they've been lecturing this different narrative for so long, they've been writing books and, you know, I mean, they don't want to say they were wrong, but it looks like they were wrong. It looks like the idea of the start of civilization being around 6,000 years ago is a restart of civilization.

   28. DWDerek Wolfe46:25

       That has to be.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       So when you... Yeah, it makes sense. 'Cause when they're finding these structures like Gobekli Tepe in Turkey and, and a lot of the ones they believe in Egypt, 'cause-

   30. DWDerek Wolfe46:34

       Have you been to Egypt?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:11

   Yeah. …

   1. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:00

      this story.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Yeah.

   3. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:01

      So they moved this lion. Instead of, like, killing the lion, which is what they should have done, 'cause once it's used to eating that kind of food, it's not going back to chasing deer and shit.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Mm-hmm.

   5. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:08

      You know, it's gonna go take the easy meal and kill the little dogs.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Right. Of course.

   7. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:11

      Well, they took that lion and moved it out to Nederland. It killed 15 dogs in 30 days.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      Geez.

   9. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:16

      And then they had to kill it. So you have to manage that population. But what happened was... Alex is out... He's actually sitting out there right now. Alex called me and was like, "Hey, we got a fresh snow. You want to come up and, you know, drive up here and, and hunt a lion?" I said, "Yeah, let's go." Uh, so I grabbed my bow and drove up there, you know, 4:00 in the morning, and we just started driving around trying to cut tracks with, with the hounds.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Wow.

   11. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:35

       So we're... You know, we're driving, driving, just find a couple smaller tracks, and then we find this big track coming across the, across the road, and we're like, "Oh, that's a big fucking lion." Um, so we get out and look at, check it out, and he had a fucking mule deer. Just... He just killed this mule deer. Like, it was, like, steaming still-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Wow.

   13. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:52

       ... under the tree. He had ripped it... You could see its guts all hanging out because it was eating it and shit. Dude, these fucking things are crazy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Yeah.

   15. DWDerek Wolfe1:00:58

       This giant mule deer, four by four, full grown under this tree. And then we look and we see it going back and forth from this porch. So it's going from this guy's porch that we're ... To this, to this kill, going back and forth. That's where it was denned up, was under that fucking porch. We didn't see it under there.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Oh, my God.

   17. DWDerek Wolfe1:01:14

       But you can see that that's where he was sleeping. Like, that's where he was fucking hanging out because it was easy killing for him, for him. He had dogs and fucking deer and ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Wow.

   19. DWDerek Wolfe1:01:22

       Literally any- whatever he wanted there 'cause it's pu- There's a lot of public, uh, hiking trails that go right up through there.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Oh.

   21. DWDerek Wolfe1:01:28

       So, and this is like a dude ranch, right? So then (laughs) we knocked on the door and the guy didn't answer. So we were like, "Fuck." So we called a bunch of different, uh, landowners around the area trying to ... And neighbors and shit. And we ... Then we started hearing stories about, "Oh yeah, last year this lion killed a dog." And, uh, w- he's been har- There's a, there's one that's harassing my dogs now," this woman said. She's like, "I won't come out of my house at night." She's like, "'Cause there's like three or four of them running around here." And there's like sheep herds and deer herds and elk herds all through there. So it's like prime lion country. They have all the food they could want, but when you have one big alpha, he's gonna ... He literally like hoards all the food and kills kittens. B- he'll kill kittens to like make sure he gets the food. So killing a big tom is what you want. That's what you wanna go after. Big, full, mature tom because it's good for the, the lion population, it's good for the deer population, it's good for just conservation in general. And in this case it was good for the neighbors 'cause he was being ... He, he was living ... Imagine a 220 pound eight and a half foot lion.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

       Was it that big?

   23. DWDerek Wolfe1:02:26

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

       That's what you weighed it at?

   25. DWDerek Wolfe1:02:28

       I weigh- I g- it was gutted at ... I got it gutted and cleaned and it was 173. Cape and meat was 173. So I'm guessing with all his blood and, and meat in him, and guts, he was probably 220.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

       That's as, that's as big as they get, right?

   27. DWDerek Wolfe1:02:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:43

       That's how-

   29. DWDerek Wolfe1:02:43

       I mean they-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

       ... so, so big.

Episode duration: 3:04:17