Joe Rogan Experience #1950 - Derek Wolfe

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Narrator 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) So, uh, first of all, that's a fucking hell of a ring, sir. Look at that, that's the real deal. I always wanted to see what one of those, like... Holy shit, fuck, look at the size of his finger. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 0:22 (laughs) Bro, my thumb slides over that like nothing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:25 That's hilarious. If you don't think Vikings were real.

Derek Wolfe 0:28 (laughs) Size 18.

Joe Rogan 0:30 That's hilarious. That is so fucking big, dude. What's your thumb?

Derek Wolfe 0:35 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Your thumb's like a fucking broomstick. That's ridiculous.

Derek Wolfe 0:39 Fucking giant thumb.

Joe Rogan 0:40 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 0:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:42 How big were you in high school?

Derek Wolfe 0:43 Uh, my senior year, I was like 6'5", 280 pounds.

Joe Rogan 0:48 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 0:48 I wrestled, I was a heavyweight, I wrestled heavyweight, so...

Joe Rogan 0:51 Wow. Did you ever think about doing MMA when you-

Derek Wolfe 0:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah, did you?

Derek Wolfe 0:55 Oh, yeah. Well, I, tr- you know, I trained... I started boxing with Henry Hooft down in South Florida-

Joe Rogan 0:58 No shit.

Derek Wolfe 0:59 ... with the, with the Blackzilians-

Joe Rogan 1:00 I love those guys.

Derek Wolfe 1:01 ... back in 2011, 2012, when I first got into the league. And I was training for the combine, and I was like, "Man, I really like... I'm really into this MMA stuff." And I just started doing it, and, uh, like, sparring with, uh, just, like, wrestling with, uh, Overeem a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Oh, wow.

Derek Wolfe 1:16 So I would wrestle with him, keep him against the cage and, you know, just hold, you know, drop to a single, bring him down, you know? And he's like-

Joe Rogan 1:21 Right.

Derek Wolfe 1:22 ... "You wrestle?" You know? I was like, "Yeah, I wrestle, man, I know what I'm doing."

Joe Rogan 1:25 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 1:25 Um, and then I, then I, when I moved to Colorado, like fulltime training, 'cause I used to go to South Florida to train, and I stopped that once I got married, (laughs) you know, so I had to st- I had to end that, and I moved to, uh, um, Trevor Wittman's gym.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Oh, that's a great fucking gym, too.

Derek Wolfe 1:41 So I started training with Trevor. Yeah. And Trevor was like, "Hey, you should really think about maybe fighting, you know? 'Cause it's like, you're 290 pounds and you're moving like this, imagine at 265." And I was like, "Dude, I, I'm not doing that. It's just not worth it."

Joe Rogan 1:54 Is it not wor- well, did y- like, you know, I know you retired from football, and, um, you're still in the prime of your life. Uh, uh, did you retire 'cause of injuries? Did you d- decide that you had, you had enough? Like... (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 2:07 Yeah, it was a combination of all that. So I had, I had, uh, double hip surgeries, I tore the labrums off the bone.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Derek Wolfe 2:13 Um, I had been... My NFL, like the injuries I had while I was in the NFL were just out of control, man. Uh, 2013, I bruised my spinal cord, I was paralyzed.

Joe Rogan 2:21 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 2:21 Um, for three hours, and then I played two weeks later.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 2:25 And I played for 12-

Joe Rogan 2:27 How do you, how?

Derek Wolfe 2:27 It was miserable. Every time I got touched, my arms would go numb, like... And I'm a defensive lineman, so my head's getting hit every play.

Joe Rogan 2:33 Holy shit. What was the play that made your spine get bruised?

Derek Wolfe 2:37 So I was playing, like, on the end of the line, on the right side, and I was playing a cut block. Somebody tried to cut my legs out. So I'm playing it, like, sprawled out to play the cut block, and then the fullback hit me on top of the head.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 2:48 And it did- I was awake, it didn't knock me out, it just like... It felt like, uh, you know when you sit on the shitter for too long? Get up?

Joe Rogan 2:53 Yes.

Derek Wolfe 2:54 Exactly how my whole body felt, from the nose down.

Joe Rogan 2:56 Oh my God, you must've been terrified.

Derek Wolfe 2:58 I was scared. But then as soon- when I started f- when I could feel them, like, touching my toes, um, uh, like a couple hours after it happened, I was in the hospital, that's when I- I just started making jokes and stuff, 'cause I knew I was... Something in my head just said, "You're gonna be fine."

Joe Rogan 3:10 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 3:10 Like, I just had a feeling. I had no choice, you know? I was a young kid, 22 years old, 23 years old.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 3:15 And then, uh, 12 weeks later, I was playing good football still somehow. 12 weeks later, I had a seizure. Like, a bad seizure. It almost killed me. I had to go in- I was in a coma for 36 hours.

Narrator 3:26 Oop, sorry.

Joe Rogan 3:27 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 3:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:28 So what, uh, what, uh, uh, did the seizure come out of a play, or did it-

Derek Wolfe 3:33 No, it's because I wasn't getting fresh blood to my brain. Because there was a bruise on that spinal, right at the base of my brainstem, and it never healed. I didn't let it heal. Two weeks isn't gonna heal a bruise, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:43 Holy shit.

Derek Wolfe 3:44 It never healed. So I wasn't getting fresh blood to my brain, so I was running on just, like, pure adrenaline, and...

Joe Rogan 3:49 How did they clear you to play two weeks later?

Derek Wolfe 3:51 They told me it was a stinger.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Oh, God. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 3:55 They said, "It's just a stinger, you're fine." They, well, they said, well, you know when you, uh, have a big warehouse, and you flip the lights off, they come right off, but when you turn them on, it takes a while for them to come back on? That's what they told me happened.

Joe Rogan 4:05 They're comparing you to a warehouse.

Derek Wolfe 4:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:06 You're like, "Hey, motherfucker, I'm a human." (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 4:08 That's when I realized, man, I was like, "They don't care about us."

Joe Rogan 4:10 No, no. There's another guy waiting to take your spot, that's what's so crazy.

Derek Wolfe 4:14 And that's why you have to play.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 4:15 That's why... Guys play hurt and play-

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 4:17 ... banged up, um...

Joe Rogan 4:18 So did y- how much time did you get to train before you went and played two weeks later? Like, how much...

Derek Wolfe 4:24 I just went straight into practice as soon- the next week.

Joe Rogan 4:26 Wow. Right- the next week?

Derek Wolfe 4:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:29 So one week after you're paralyzed, you're in practice?

Derek Wolfe 4:31 Yeah. So they tried to keep me in the hospital after that, after, like, after the game. And I was like, "When's the plane leaving?" And they were like, "They're getting ready to go to the plane right now, it's a preseason game." And I was like, "Okay, well, I'm getting on that plane then." So I had them take me from the hospital to the plane, got a, had a big neck brace on, and-

Joe Rogan 4:46 So the doctors wanted to keep you in the hospital?

Derek Wolfe 4:48 Yeah, doctors wanted me to stay, but the team doctors were like, "You're good, we can go."

Joe Rogan 4:52 (laughs) Team doctors are savages. Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 4:57 Well, they did the X-rays and the MRIs right away, you know, and...

Joe Rogan 5:00 Right.

Derek Wolfe 5:01 So that, like, we went straight to the, the ER. I was on a, on a stretcher, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:05 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 5:05 Into an ambulance, they had to bring the ambulance on the field, I couldn't move. I was just stuck in the ground. It was like, it was like I was melted, you know? I couldn't move at all, and every- all of my muscles were just... It was the weirdest feeling, man. But it, like I said, it started f- I was feeling better, but I think I just tricked my brain into thinking, like... I was in survival mode. I'd been in survival mode since the day I came out of the womb, man. I just... Like, always surviving, you know? Just trying to survive through whatever it is that's going on. It's like I disassociate from it, and (laughs) I can just make it through.

Joe Rogan 5:34 That's a great skill to have if you wanna play professional football, right?

Derek Wolfe 5:37 Well, I don't know if you saw what Deion Sanders just said about, um, what he's looking for in a quarterback. He wants two-parent home, um, (laughs) it's a two-parent home, a 3.5 GPA, and he wants the complete opposite for a defensive lineman.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Really?

Derek Wolfe 5:50 Yeah. He's like, I want... It's either football or prison, pretty much-

Joe Rogan 5:54 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 5:54 ... type of motherfucker, is what he wants.

Joe Rogan 5:57 But if you think about the position, and you think about what you guys have to do, it kind of makes sense, you-

Derek Wolfe 6:02 Oh, it's-

Joe Rogan 6:02 ... you have to be fucking barbaric.

Derek Wolfe 6:04 Yeah. It is a fucking war in there.

Joe Rogan 6:07 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 6:07 You got two s- I mean, the way, the, the size of these offensive linemen now, I mean, they're fucking 350 pounds, and there's two of them.

Joe Rogan 6:15 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 6:15 And they're trying to move you every fucking play.

Joe Rogan 6:17 Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 6:17 And you better...If you play pussy, you're gonna get fucked. That's what I used...

Joe Rogan 6:21 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 6:22 That's what I always say.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 6:23 You go out there playing pussy, you're gonna get fucked.

Joe Rogan 6:25 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 6:25 That's just the way it goes.

Joe Rogan 6:26 What is the average lifetime of a career, like, uh, in the NFL from-

Derek Wolfe 6:30 Uh, two and a half years.

Joe Rogan 6:32 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 6:32 'Cause at that third year, you get vested. So vested means you get pension and, uh, all the benefits that come with that.

Joe Rogan 6:40 And most guys don't get there.

Derek Wolfe 6:41 And most guys don't get there.

Joe Rogan 6:43 You know, we, we talk about it with fighting all the time, that a, a, a real elite athlete in his prime has, like, nine years. You got, like... That's, that's the consensus is there's, like, nine years at peak performance-

Derek Wolfe 6:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:55 ... and then it's just too much. The wheels fall off. The injuries stack up, you know, the, the time in train... And then sometimes it's the enthusiasm, too. Guys lose that, that fire that made them a savage in the beginning. But football is even worse. I mean, it's even shorter time.

Derek Wolfe 7:13 Well, it's shorter, but y- your earnings, right? Your, your earnings, you don't get to that... You're on a rookie contract for your first four years. So you get drafted, and you're on that rookie contract. You make, pretty much slotted out the money. You don't... If you're not a top 10 pick in the, in the draft, then you're not really making life-changing money, you know. Um, I had $7 when I got drafted though. I didn't even have a bank account.

Joe Rogan 7:36 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 7:36 I didn't have shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:37 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 7:37 I was just a fucking poor-ass kid from Ohio. I went to Cincinnati, and I lived with Travis and Jason Kelce. Uh, we all lived in the same house. Um, I don't know if you know who those guys are, but, uh, Travis is, like, best tight end in the history (hands clap) of the NFL now. Jason's gonna be the best center, both Hall of Famers. Just played against each other in a Super Bowl. And then our quarterback went up to Canada, won two Grey Cups. So we got four Super Bowls and two Grey Cups-

Joe Rogan 8:03 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 8:04 ... in that house.

Joe Rogan 8:05 That's-

Derek Wolfe 8:05 And we were fuck-ups.

Joe Rogan 8:06 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 8:08 We were fucking idiots.

Joe Rogan 8:09 (laughs) But again, don't you kind of want that from f- I want football players to be a little reckless.

Derek Wolfe 8:14 You have to be.

Joe Rogan 8:15 That's-

Derek Wolfe 8:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:16 They v-

Derek Wolfe 8:16 Same with fighters.

Joe Rogan 8:16 I don't want a fucking Boy Scout. Exactly. When, when Jon Jones kept getting into trouble, and people are like, "Can you believe what Jon Jones did?" I'm like, "Jon Jones is a wild motherfucker, that's why he's the greatest of all time."

Derek Wolfe 8:27 Yup.

Joe Rogan 8:27 Like, you, you need an element of psycho in there.

Derek Wolfe 8:30 You have to be fucked up.

Joe Rogan 8:31 You have to be fucked up.

Derek Wolfe 8:32 You do.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 8:32 And it's just the way it goes. You gotta be a little fucked up to do it.

Joe Rogan 8:34 It's... Is that true with all of them? Is that true? Like, you, you've been around the greats. You've been around some amazing players. Like, is that true with all of them?

Derek Wolfe 8:42 No.

Joe Rogan 8:43 No.

Derek Wolfe 8:43 It's all p-... Most D linemen, interior defensive linemen now, they're fucked up. They are. They're just fucking different. Like, Aaron Donald is a different motherfucker. He was... I mean, he's gonna go down as the best d- defensive tackle to ever do it. But he's fucking wild. Like, he's crazy.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Do you think-

Derek Wolfe 8:58 He tries to kill people out there.

Joe Rogan 8:59 ... he came in with that?

Derek Wolfe 9:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:01 Or do you think-

Derek Wolfe 9:01 I think-

Joe Rogan 9:01 ... that also developed over the course of his career?

Derek Wolfe 9:04 I think it dev- it develops over your life, right? I don't know his life story or anything, but most of us have been through some shit.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Right.

Derek Wolfe 9:09 You know? And, and it's just... You can kind of see it when you meet a guy. He's just fucking different, right?

Joe Rogan 9:15 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 9:15 And I th-... When you meet... Then you meet a guy... I've... Like, Peyton Manning, good friend of mine now. And, you know, we, we were teammates for four years, won a, won a Super Bowl together. Um, and he still lives in Denver, so we see each other all the time. But, like, Peyton was, like, complete opposite. Like, he'd fucking... He, like, controlled the room. Everything he did was, like, dialed in. Like, it was so dialed and m- and so professional. Like, he came to work, like, dressed professionally, right? Defensive linemen were coming in fucking slides and fucking shorts and-

Joe Rogan 9:43 Right.

Derek Wolfe 9:43 ... T-shirts and shit, right?

Joe Rogan 9:44 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 9:44 He would show up fucking buttoned up with a suitcase or with a briefcase, you know, and r- right to the film room. We're going fucking to the weight room.

Joe Rogan 9:52 Right.

Derek Wolfe 9:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:52 That's where we're going. So it was just a, a different vibe, man. And then, like, uh, DeMarcus Ware, fucking ultimate... Like, such a professional. Everything about him was professional. But the great D linemen that are interior guys, they're usually fucked up. John Randle, you've heard of him? Yes.

Derek Wolfe 10:10 This guy fucking slept on a fucking dirt floor growing up.

Joe Rogan 10:13 Jesus.

Derek Wolfe 10:13 You think he's not a little fucked up?

Joe Rogan 10:15 (laughs) Yeah. And then there's the sport itself, which, I mean, just the amount of impacts you guys are taking on a regular basis.

Derek Wolfe 10:21 Oh, every day. Every day, you're getting hit in the fucking forehead.

Joe Rogan 10:24 Psh.

Derek Wolfe 10:24 (laughs) Every single day.

Joe Rogan 10:26 So, like, when someone talks to you about, like, fighting in MMA, you're probably like, "I've done enough."

Derek Wolfe 10:31 I don't want to get kicked and fucking elbowed in the head and-

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 10:33 ... punched. No. If I was gonna do anything, it was gonna be boxing.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Yeah?

Derek Wolfe 10:38 Yeah. But, fuck, 'cause, uh, Klitschko was still the champ, and Trevor was like, "You can fucking..." You can quote me, I... Quote him on this. He was like, "We can talk a bunch of shit and fucking get the word out there, get you a couple amateur fights, get you winning a couple fights," and he's like, "In two years, we'll be fighting for 100 million."

Joe Rogan 10:55 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 10:57 That's what he told me.

Joe Rogan 10:58 Trevor's a wild dude, but he's also a genius.

Derek Wolfe 11:02 Oh, it's so much... I... He took my pass rush game to another level.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Yeah?

Derek Wolfe 11:05 Like-

Joe Rogan 11:05 Really?

Derek Wolfe 11:05 ... yeah, 'cause I was good at figuring out angles from wrestling-

Joe Rogan 11:08 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 11:08 ... on people, but he took it to another level of, like, levels. Like, taking my levels down. Like, I could bring my level up and get it back down, and come out of there with power. So I was just, like, creating angles on guys that they'd... And doing shit they'd never seen. Um-

Joe Rogan 11:21 And is that from footwork drills? Like-

Derek Wolfe 11:22 Yeah, doing footwork. It was all footwork.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 11:25 Everything is footwork. It starts with your foot... Your feet, your feet first and your hands will follow. And he would... I mean, he would have me doing, like, switch jabs and shit like that, and I would use that shit on the field. I would switch my feet last second, cross, uh, and then cross body.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Ah.

Derek Wolfe 11:38 And then, and then be able to lower my level and be able to accelerate out of that. And it just, like, took my fucking pass rush to another level.

Joe Rogan 11:45 That makes sense. You know, like, if you learn new skills like that, like... Y- you know Vasily Lomachenko?

Derek Wolfe 11:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:51 The, the boxer?

Derek Wolfe 11:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:52 His dad made him do Ukrainian dance for two years, made him stop boxing. He's like, "Look, you're, you're gonna be an amazing boxer, but what I really want you to concentrate on is your feet." And now if you watch him fight... Have you ever seen him fight?

Derek Wolfe 12:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:06 See, see if you can find a L- Lomachenko highlight.

Derek Wolfe 12:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:08 His footwork is insane. Like, he's standing in front of a v- of a guy, and then he'll, like, switch and throw a jab, and circle off to his left, and catch him again, then circle off to his right. The guy does not know where the fuck he is.

Derek Wolfe 12:21 Yeah. And (laughs) how are you-

Joe Rogan 12:22 He's just such a-

Derek Wolfe 12:23 How are you supposed to ch- play chess against that? You know what I mean? 'Cause it's a dance out there.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Oh, he's such a wizard, man. And that-

Derek Wolfe 12:28 Look at him. Oh.

Joe Rogan 12:29 Like, his, his footwork came about from-

Derek Wolfe 12:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:31 ... you know, all the stepping. Like, it's like-

Derek Wolfe 12:34 (laughs) Oleg.

Joe Rogan 12:34 ... a matador. I mean, the fact that he could just stand... Look at that.

Derek Wolfe 12:37 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 12:38 I mean, these angles are insane.... and then he lights off punches. He's the most beautiful-

Derek Wolfe 12:43 Who?

Joe Rogan 12:43 ... of any guy I've ever seen in terms of footwork, because it's like you're really watching him dance. Because of the dance background, like, his footwork looks beautiful. I mean, my God, who fucking moves like him? And by the way-

Derek Wolfe 12:56 Look, the, guys just put their hands up, they're like, "Fuck, I don't know what's coming."

Joe Rogan 12:58 He's really not a lightweight. You know, he fought Teofimo Lopez and lost, and he's fighting these bigger guys, but he's really like 130-pounder. That's his real-

Derek Wolfe 13:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:06 ... weight class. And if, if there was big money fights at that weight class, and he didn't have to keep going up, he prob-... I mean, he's a motherfucker, dude. And that's-

Derek Wolfe 13:14 Probably wouldn't be beat.

Joe Rogan 13:15 Yeah. And that's the thing, it's like it's all from footwork.

Derek Wolfe 13:18 Yeah. That's where it all starts, man. Your, it's your base. And yeah. So what were we... What the fuck were we talking about? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:24 We were just talking about skills that you picked up-

Derek Wolfe 13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 ... training with Trevor, you don't want to fight.

Derek Wolfe 13:28 Yeah. I didn't wanna... I just didn't want to do it because I didn't want to get hit in the fucking head anymore.

Joe Rogan 13:31 Smart.

Derek Wolfe 13:32 And then when it came to, to stop... to be stopping with the NFL, like when I was like, "I'm done," um, I played eight years in Denver, which was awesome, um, but then I dislocated my elbow bad going into a contract year, in 2019. I was having my best season in my career. Year eight, balling out, about to get another payday. And, uh, it was like a dead play, so the whistle didn't get blown, couple guys jumped off sides, and the whistle gets blown halfway through the play. So half the all-... half the fucking field is moving at full speed and half the field's not.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Mm.

Derek Wolfe 14:04 And it's like fourth and inches play, so I try to make the fucking tackle, and I like slow up, and I end up slipping and falling, and I'm going to get up and our 330-pound nose tackle goes to, like... he's, like, running straight at me and his fucking shin hits me right in the elbow, and it goes to the ground.

Joe Rogan 14:18 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 14:19 Dislocated all the way to the fucking ground. I fucking... Dude, I was... I'd never been in so much pain. It hurt so fucking... it made me want to throw up. I was throwing up in my mouth, 'cause I was grabbing at it and trying to put it back in-

Joe Rogan 14:30 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 14:30 ... 'cause I... in 2016, I did that with my right elbow. It came out and I put it right back in. I just kept going. (exhales) I mean, that shit... fucking... that shit... your fingers get popped out all the time, you just put them in and go.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 14:42 Like there's no time to fuck around.

Joe Rogan 14:44 (exhales)

Derek Wolfe 14:44 And I was trying to get it going and I could just feel it grinding on the bone, grinding against each other, and it was like making me fucking ill.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 14:52 Then they took me in... they took me in the locker room and I was fucking pissed 'cause I knew it was gonna cost me a bunch of money. That elbow deal was gonna cost me, I knew. It probably cost me 20 million.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 15:02 Fucking pissed. My own teammate. He didn't mean to, you know, it's not his fault.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 15:05 But it was like, on a dead fucking play, I was losing my shit. I fucking slammed my helmet. I was like, "These motherfuckers." Like I was blaming the refs, blaming everybody.

Joe Rogan 15:12 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 15:13 Fucking, "Fucking refs. I'm gonna sue the fucking refs."

Joe Rogan 15:15 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 15:15 (laughs) I'm like, "What the..." My turn. Or, you know, you gotta think. And then here's the other thing, before games, I was taking microdoses. So I'm microdosed and I'm at like full-

Joe Rogan 15:25 You taking mushrooms?

Derek Wolfe 15:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:27 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 15:27 Yeah. Before games. So I'm taking mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 15:29 That's the Viking in you. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 15:30 Yeah. I'm fucking taking mushrooms and fucking Adderall.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Wow. (laughs) Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 15:35 Before I play.

Joe Rogan 15:36 What a combination.

Derek Wolfe 15:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:37 What is that like, mushrooms and Adderall?

Derek Wolfe 15:39 Dude, the fucking focus is out of control. And I would just like... before games, I would like... I would like get myself pissed off, so I just would start thinking about my childhood, like the shit that I went through as a kid.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 15:51 And it would fucking get me in this rage mode, and I w-... it was like this crazy controlled rage.

Joe Rogan 15:56 So Adderall, mushrooms, and childhood rage-

Derek Wolfe 15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:59 ... all together in a 280-pound savage? (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 16:03 Dude. Well, I was like 300 pounds then, you know.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 16:06 I was like 20 pounds heavier than I am now us-... when I was playing.

Joe Rogan 16:08 (exhales) Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 16:10 Just fucking such a meathead.

Joe Rogan 16:12 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 16:12 Saying wild, crazy shit to quarterbacks.

Joe Rogan 16:15 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 16:16 I told, I told a guy I was gonna fucking eat his kids and-

Joe Rogan 16:18 Oh my God. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 16:21 It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 16:23 (laughs) What did he say?

Derek Wolfe 16:25 He, he did-... he didn't say shit. He never talk... I played against this guy twice a year for eight years, and that was in year four that that happened, so four years straight, he never said another word to me.

Joe Rogan 16:35 Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 16:35 He was like, "This guy's a fucking sicko."

Joe Rogan 16:37 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 16:38 Once I got married and had kids and stuff though, I like... I was like, quoted on saying shit like that, but I just... that's what you do, man. It's a fucking-

Joe Rogan 16:45 Right.

Derek Wolfe 16:45 ... head game. I'm just trying-

Joe Rogan 16:45 It's a head game.

Derek Wolfe 16:46 I'm trying to get in his head.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Yeah, 100%. The, uh, it, it... I always try to explain that to people. People, "Oh, Conor McGregor's a fucking asshole, the things he says," I'm like, "It's part of the game." (clears throat) I mean, it's... yeah, I get it, you don't want to hear those things. I get it.

Derek Wolfe 17:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:01 I get it, but that, that's legal and that works.

Derek Wolfe 17:04 It works.

Joe Rogan 17:05 It's, it's strategy. It's Sun Tzu Art of War, so-

Derek Wolfe 17:07 Well, listen to the shit Tyson would say.

Joe Rogan 17:09 Oh my God, yeah.

Derek Wolfe 17:10 And that's what happened, that... I've...

Joe Rogan 17:11 (clears throat)

Derek Wolfe 17:12 Yeah, it's funny, I was actually... before I came here, I was down in Nashville with, uh, with Kid Rock.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Oh, no shit.

Derek Wolfe 17:17 Staying at, staying at his place. Awesome fucking place.

Joe Rogan 17:19 He's a great guy, isn't he?

Derek Wolfe 17:20 Dude, he's the best. Like-

Joe Rogan 17:21 This place is amazing.

Derek Wolfe 17:22 Unreal. His pool hall.

Joe Rogan 17:23 It's like the dream place.

Derek Wolfe 17:24 He's got a fucking church. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:26 (laughs) Yeah, he's got a fucking church. It's a... he uses the church-

Derek Wolfe 17:30 How about the-

Joe Rogan 17:30 ... the White House.

Derek Wolfe 17:31 Dude.

Joe Rogan 17:32 It's the most wild shit you've ever seen in your life.

Derek Wolfe 17:34 The wild, the wildest shit I've ever seen. And then like, I was like, I'm like, "Bob, show me around this fucking place."

Joe Rogan 17:39 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 17:39 Like, "What the fuck-"

Joe Rogan 17:40 We should explain to people what he did.

Derek Wolfe 17:41 It's like 27,000 square feet, fucking-

Joe Rogan 17:43 Yeah. He built a White House.

Derek Wolfe 17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Like it looks exactly like the White House, but it's bigger than the actual White House.

Derek Wolfe 17:48 Yeah. It's fucking phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 17:50 And it's just a party house. It has one bedroom and one guest bedroom.

Derek Wolfe 17:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:55 And it's 27,000 feet... Jamie, you gotta go. Next time we're in Nashville, you gotta go. It's the m-... it's the most... he's got a golden shower. So it's a room-

Derek Wolfe 18:03 Golden toilet, golden shower.

Joe Rogan 18:04 Yeah. (laughs) The room is as big as this studio, and it's all the tile on the wall is gold.

Derek Wolfe 18:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:09 Everything's gold. He's like, "Get it? Golden shower." (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 18:13 Yeah. (laughs) He's got... he's got a giant gold elevator in the middle, like right when you're walking through the front door. And the contractor said to him, he goes, uh, a lot of people like to hide their elevators. He goes, "Fuck that, I want people coming over my house going, 'Kid Rock's got a fucking golden elevator.'" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:33 (laughs) Dude.

Derek Wolfe 18:34 The... some of the, like, antiques-

Joe Rogan 18:35 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 18:35 ... and shit he's got in there too.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 18:37 Like he's got the hammer they used to fucking knock down Bin Laden's door.

Joe Rogan 18:40 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 18:41 He's got that hammer.

Joe Rogan 18:42 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 18:42 That's, like, one of his, like, prized fucking possessions, I think, 'cause he's-

Joe Rogan 18:45 Oh, no shit.

Derek Wolfe 18:46 'Cause he fucking, like-

Joe Rogan 18:47 Is he sure that's really the hammer? Who did he get it from?

Derek Wolfe 18:50 I f-... I don't know. Fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 18:51 'Cause I... If that's what I was gonna sell somebody, a hammer, they're like, "Bro, this is the one that knocked off Bin Laden's door."

Derek Wolfe 18:56 (laughs) Yeah. I think it was a gift.

Joe Rogan 18:58 Oh, okay.

Derek Wolfe 18:58 So I think it was gifted to him by the guy-

Joe Rogan 19:01 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 19:01 ... that was there and fucking used it, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:03 Kid Rock, the, the thing about Kid Rock, too, is he's got so many hits. Like, that guy could tour to the end of time. So he could do something stupid like build a white house. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 19:13 (laughs) Dude, that place is phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Huge gym.

Derek Wolfe 19:15 He's, he's got this... How about that double-wide?

Joe Rogan 19:17 Yeah, it's amazing.

Derek Wolfe 19:17 This fucking double-wide that's, like, a five-star resort in there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:21 And how about the view-

Derek Wolfe 19:22 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 19:22 ... off of his fucking back porch, too? The view-

Derek Wolfe 19:24 Nashville, yeah. Fucking beautiful.

Joe Rogan 19:25 It's incredible.

Derek Wolfe 19:26 He's at... He's at, like, the highest point in Nashville, too.

Joe Rogan 19:29 Yeah. No, he's, he's living the redneck dream.

Derek Wolfe 19:32 But he's like... But what I was say, what I was saying is this motherfucker was like... You know, I was telling him about my, you know, my... She was asking me, like, you know, where I was from and about my... We were on a duck hunt together and I was telling him this and he's like, "Well, where'd you... You know, who fucking raised you?" And I said, "You did, motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 19:45 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 19:46 It's like I was raised on Kid Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin-

Joe Rogan 19:48 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 19:48 ... fucking The Rock. Like, that's who raised me.

Joe Rogan 19:51 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 19:51 Mike Tyson. Like, that's the... Those are the motherfuckers I looked up to.

Joe Rogan 19:54 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 19:55 I didn't have any, any other, like, role model in my life that I could look up to, so I had to look up to those guys and the way they just didn't give a fuck, and I was like, um, "That's what I'm gonna do."

Joe Rogan 20:04 So when you were growing up, w- w- was your mom around?

Derek Wolfe 20:08 My mom was an alcoholic and struggled with drugs, and she doesn't know who my dad is, like has no idea. You'd think by now, like, this motherfucker would just pop up, right?

Joe Rogan 20:18 Right.

Derek Wolfe 20:18 But no. Like, nobody fucking knows who it is. Because she would go on these month-long blackouts.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Oh, man.

Derek Wolfe 20:25 And just be fucking blacked out for a month and, you know. She was abused as a child, too. You know, she was sexually abused and stuff, so she just kinda d- didn't break that cycle, right? Didn't break the chain. And then my stepdad was abusive. You know, he would fucking, you know, beat the shit out of... He might... You know, that... He would beat the shit out of me, like, for fun. Like, that's what... If he was in a bad mood, and I had my fucking mouth open even looking at him, he'd fucking pop my mouth and fucking throw me on the ground, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:52 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 20:52 Kick me in the stomach and shit.

Joe Rogan 20:54 Oh, man.

Derek Wolfe 20:54 Like, "You fucking pussy." You know? "Get up." You know, that's just the way he treated me.

Joe Rogan 20:58 (sighs)

Derek Wolfe 20:58 But I got to get out of that... I made... I got out of that situation and broke that cycle. But, like, when people are like, "You're fucked up," I'm like, "Well, what do you think?"

Joe Rogan 21:05 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 21:06 What do you think is gonna happen when you fucking treat a kid like that? You know? My mother didn't really show me... I don't know what unconditional love felt like until I had a daughter.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 21:13 I didn't know what that felt like. And that was like the life-changing, it was so life-changing for me to have a daughter and to feel what that feels like. That unconditional, no matter what, I'll love you. Because I didn't know what that felt like, I never had it. So it was...

Joe Rogan 21:28 Wow. Wow.

Derek Wolfe 21:31 It was intense, man. My childhood was fucking intense, you know? Like even, you know, being in, in relationships. My wife is so patient with me, because, like, my idea of intimacy was, you know, my mom... I slept in the, in the attic, you know, in this tiny little fucking house and we lived on... All these... I went to seven different elementary schools. We were always getting fucking booted out of the house. But when I was, like, really developing going through puberty, like, what I h- heard was them fistfighting each other, throwing each other through walls, and then fucking 10 minutes later.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Ugh.

Derek Wolfe 21:56 Like, that's what my idea of intimacy was. So, like, I had to, like, reprogram my brain.

Joe Rogan 22:01 How did you do that?

Derek Wolfe 22:03 Ugh, I did a bunch of treatments, like... You, you ever heard of EMDR?

Joe Rogan 22:06 No.

Derek Wolfe 22:07 So it's like... You believe in past lives?

Joe Rogan 22:09 I don't not believe. Y-... I, I think there's a certain amount of undeniable genetic memory that people have. I think that's probably where things like ophidiophobia, uh, and arachnophobia come from, fear of snakes and spiders, 'cause I think that a lot of that probably comes from... There's a memory of you either watching someone die from it or you getting bit and surviving and it gets through the DNA and it gets to people today.

Derek Wolfe 22:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:34 'Cause there's certain people that they, for no reason, they'll see a snake and they just fucking freeze. Whereas other people see a snake and it's just like, "Oh, we'll stay the fuck away from that." But it doesn't have that same visceral reaction.

Derek Wolfe 22:45 The same fear.

Joe Rogan 22:46 There's things that people know, like, you know to be scared of big teeth and, and scary things. And I... That's why kids are scared of monsters, right? It's 'cause we grew... We evolved around big cats and things were eating us and wolves.

Derek Wolfe 22:59 Yeah, saber-toothed tigers and shit.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Yeah, yeah. That's, uh, I think-

Derek Wolfe 23:02 Prehistoric animals, man.

Joe Rogan 23:03 I think those memories are in our DNA. So I have a feeling we have no idea what kind of information is stored that passes on from your genes.

Derek Wolfe 23:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Like, uh, one of the things that I've noticed about my kids is they have very specific talents that I have, very specific. And, uh, also that, like, some other members of my family have. Like, my uncle's an amazing artist, and I'm always like, "How much of that is genetic?" Like, "Where is that coming from?"

Derek Wolfe 23:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Like, "Where is this abi-"... Like, my, my youngest daughter is fucking incredible. Her artwork's amazing. Like, I watch her draw and I'm like, "Jesus Christ." Like, "She's 12."

Derek Wolfe 23:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:38 I'm like, "How are you so good?" Like, she's... Like, there's, there's something, I think, that kids get from their parents, and maybe that is what past lives are. And maybe when someone has a seance or some shit and, and, you know, they, they... Someone... They tell a story about a past life, maybe that's in there somewhere, like deep, deep in that-

Derek Wolfe 23:58 In that DNA code, right?

Joe Rogan 23:59 ... file system. Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 24:00 It's all... I mean, we could get down the rabbit hole here, but it's... You know?

Joe Rogan 24:04 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 24:05 That DNA code.

Joe Rogan 24:06 We don't know-

Derek Wolfe 24:07 W- we don't know what the fuck.

Joe Rogan 24:08 We don't know what's in there. Oh my God.

Derek Wolfe 24:10 What is in there?

Joe Rogan 24:10 It's in with animals, right? Like, I got a dog. He's a, a golden retriever, sweetest dog in the world. But, like, if that dog sees shit outside, he rolls around in it. Like, he knows to roll around. Like, I don't know what the fuck (laughs) kind of instinct that is. But that's, like, in his system.

Derek Wolfe 24:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:25 It's a very specific thing. You know? If he, if he sees a squirrel, he's... It's, it's on, bitch.

Derek Wolfe 24:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Like, "I'm here to kill squirrels."

Derek Wolfe 24:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:33 You know? Like, it's on.

Derek Wolfe 24:34 Squirrels and birds and shit like that.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yeah, it's-

Derek Wolfe 24:36 He wants to chase them.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Most... For him, it's squirrels. He's a fucking... The squirrel killer. But it's in there.

Derek Wolfe 24:41 Well, that's probably... I mean, that's... The rodents, like small rodents and shit were what wolves were eating back then, you know, in the... Uh, it must be.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Or taking down. Like-

Derek Wolfe 24:48 It's- it's-

Joe Rogan 24:48 Because my daughter has a chihuahua, she has this little tiny chihuahua-whippet mix, he's the shit. His name is Snoop, he's this tiny little fella.

Derek Wolfe 24:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:55 And him and Marshall are, like, best friends. Like, that's a rat, like the size of a rat.

Derek Wolfe 25:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:01 Like, how come you wanna kill the squirrels, but that- that little dude is your buddy?

Derek Wolfe 25:04 'Cause he knows. 'Cause he knows.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Yeah, it's crazy. Like, it's- it's in there.

Derek Wolfe 25:07 Well, it's- it's the same thing with, uh, like big dogs and babies, right?

Joe Rogan 25:10 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 25:10 They just are soft around ba- like they just-

Joe Rogan 25:12 Yep, they calm, they go slow and-

Derek Wolfe 25:14 They know. Because think about that, when-

Joe Rogan 25:15 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 25:15 ... wolves first started coming into little fucking nomad camps, right?

Joe Rogan 25:18 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 25:19 It, like, they were feeding them and they would keep them safe from the other wolves.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Yes.

Derek Wolfe 25:23 They... It was the first fucking thing they learned, was don't touch the fucking kids.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Yep.

Derek Wolfe 25:26 Right? Or you get fucking killed.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Yep.

Derek Wolfe 25:28 Right?

Joe Rogan 25:28 Yep.

Derek Wolfe 25:29 So they didn't tou- they were soft and easy with the kids.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Especially animals with floppy ears.

Derek Wolfe 25:34 And it's like in their DNA. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 The ones with the floppy ears, they think that- that wolves, their ears droop to sort of show submissiveness.

Derek Wolfe 25:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:41 And that's how wolves, when they transitioned and became dogs over time, they've developed, like, Labrador ears.

Derek Wolfe 25:46 Yeah. That's so fucking crazy, the evolution of dogs.

Joe Rogan 25:48 It's wild. It's the-

Derek Wolfe 25:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:50 ... it's, they're so close to us in a way, because, uh, they're the same thing, but they look so different. You know, like you could take, uh, like a Great Dane and as- if you could figure out the logistics, that could fuck a little poodle.

Derek Wolfe 26:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:06 And then it would make a dog.

Derek Wolfe 26:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Like how is that? How are those the same animals?

Derek Wolfe 26:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:11 You know, and when you see-

Derek Wolfe 26:12 The lab created dogs that they have now, man, it's wild.

Joe Rogan 26:15 Yeah. But you see someone like Shaquille O'Neal and then you see, like, Tina Fey.

Derek Wolfe 26:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Like, they could have kids.

Derek Wolfe 26:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Like, the- the size difference, the- the way they look is so different, but we're- we're a lot like- like domesticated animals in that way. I guess it makes sense, right? Because humans all came out of Africa and they traveled all over the world and they had to adapt to all these different climates-

Derek Wolfe 26:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 ... and that's what caused all those- the physical changes in people.

Derek Wolfe 26:37 Have you read the book Species?

Joe Rogan 26:38 Yes. Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 26:38 Yeah, that fucking book changed my life.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Great book. Very, very interesting, right? When you see- hear the history of us.

Derek Wolfe 26:45 It's fucking wild. That there were seven different species?

Joe Rogan 26:47 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 26:48 Of humanoids?

Joe Rogan 26:48 They think there's more now. They think there's more. They keep finding one. They found a new one recently. They found, uh, some DNA of a- a recent human species that is different than any one that they've found before.

Derek Wolfe 27:01 And how old did they think that was?

Joe Rogan 27:02 I'm not sure. I don't quite remember, but I know they're- they're in the neighborhood of... There- there's some of these people that were- that used to be humans that were around when modern humans were around. So like-

Derek Wolfe 27:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 27:16 We're the pro- we're the final product. We've-

Joe Rogan 27:19 God, are we though?

Derek Wolfe 27:19 I- I- I'm not saying, I'm saying like-

Joe Rogan 27:21 I know what you're saying.

Derek Wolfe 27:21 ... from the- we killed off all the fucking other ones, right?

Joe Rogan 27:24 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 27:24 Like you were talking last night about how you have Neanderthal in you, right?

Joe Rogan 27:26 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 27:27 And it's crazy to think that like (laughs) ... Imagine like seeing like an ape and being like, "Yeah, I'm gonna have sex with that," you know?

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yeah. Well, th- I think people were-

Derek Wolfe 27:35 (laughs) That's fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:35 ... I think we're, everybody was pretty close back then. I mean, w- I think when you're dealing with like Neanderthal mating with homo sapiens, like there are-

Derek Wolfe 27:42 Yeah, they didn't look so much different, right?

Joe Rogan 27:44 (laughs) Like f-

Derek Wolfe 27:44 It wasn't like a gorilla.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Hairy beasts, you know? Hairy beast with fucking deer skins over their dick. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 27:50 Like, coming out of the cave. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:51 I mean- I mean, it's- it is crazy that we got to where we are today and that...

Derek Wolfe 27:58 It's wild, the evolution of humans.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 28:00 And now they're turning into like these fucking super nerds that are just-

Joe Rogan 28:03 Yeah, like genderless.

Derek Wolfe 28:04 ... like fucking, you know. Yeah, genderless, fucking-

Joe Rogan 28:06 No testosterone.

Derek Wolfe 28:08 Soy boy, fucking-

Joe Rogan 28:09 It's weird.

Derek Wolfe 28:10 ... out of control, man. It makes me crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:12 I- I think that's the future. I- I mean, I know it's not so good for guys like you and I, but I think in the future- (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 28:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:18 ... it seems like, uh, that's where this- this race is headed.

Derek Wolfe 28:20 I think that's why we fight it- try to fight it so hard. It's like-

Joe Rogan 28:23 I think so. I think there's part of it with men-

Derek Wolfe 28:25 It goes against our, everything in our DNA to fucking be like that.

Joe Rogan 28:28 Yeah. Well, you have this DNA that did evolve through war and conflict and fighting off predators and it gets ignited during a football game or it gets ignited during a fight. Like, it's like, "Ugh."

Derek Wolfe 28:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:40 And you feel alive.

Derek Wolfe 28:40 I'm glad you brought- I'm glad you brought this up, because I was talking about this on another podcast a couple weeks ago and, uh, I'm just trying to get my thoughts here on how I- I explained it. Sports were m- sports were invented by dudes practicing to hunt.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 28:53 Like, they're like, "How can we fucking get ready to go hunt?"

Joe Rogan 28:55 Or practicing war.

Derek Wolfe 28:56 Yeah, we're practicing war, we're practicing hunting.

Joe Rogan 28:59 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 28:59 Like, that's what they- that's where sports come from. So that's why there's like this deep spiritual connection between battle and sports.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 29:07 And hunting. It's all kind of- it all kind of goes together. It was a great transition for me to get into bow hunting. I- I was already- I bow hunted when I was a kid too, but that was kind of like my escape, you know, football and bow hunting were my escape as a kid. That's where I- if I was, if I just stayed in the woods, man, because if not, I was just a loose fucking cannon.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Mm.

Derek Wolfe 29:24 And you never knew what was gonna happen out there.

Joe Rogan 29:25 I interrupted you earlier, you were talking about past lives.

Derek Wolfe 29:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:29 We got off on a tangent.

Derek Wolfe 29:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Let's get back to that and then we'll go to bow hunting, but-

Derek Wolfe 29:31 Yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 29:32 But the, so what is this- this therapy that they use?

Derek Wolfe 29:35 It's a s- it's a light treatment, so they do the, it's a ser- the way they do the- they, you like keep your eyes open and you bre- do like a breathing series and then they send these lights across your eyes and it almost puts you in this trance.

Joe Rogan 29:47 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 29:47 And I was able... And you're being guided pretty, you know, there's like a therapist that's like kind of guiding you through it. Um, dude, at one point I'm like, I'll be, tell you, honestly, I'm- I'm sitting there and I'm fucking just tears rolling out of my eyes and I'm like, "What the fuck?" You know? Because I was like releasing this trauma that like, because the body keeps the score, man. So like I was, like I was releasing that trauma during this.

Joe Rogan 30:10 So this light thing and someone's guiding you, like what is it doing to your mind? Like-

Derek Wolfe 30:14 It took me... I was able to go into this... So I was able to go to my young self, to the young Derek, and I was able to like comfort him.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 30:23 And like, it helped me grow as a person because I was stuck in that trauma.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 30:27 Stuck there. I was like st- I didn't, I couldn't grow. You can't grow unless like, like I gotta, I had to like let him know like, "You're safe. You're good. It's all good." It- it should... Sounds wild, but it- it's real, man. I really fucking did that. Like, and then we got in- into it deeper because some of the- some of my like frustration in life is not knowing who my father is and knowing my ancestors, because that's like important to me. So we like dug deep in... This is before I ever did any kind of ancestry DNA shit.And we dug deep into this, into these past lives. And I went... I, it took me into this fucking Viking camp, and I was... Dude, it's fucking wild. Like, I'm gonna get into it. People are gonna, like, be, like, "You're fucking nuts," but I'm telling you-

Joe Rogan 31:03 So were you under hypno- Like, what does it feel like?

Derek Wolfe 31:05 It's like, it's-

Joe Rogan 31:05 Are you being hypnotized or-

Derek Wolfe 31:06 ... it feels like you're in a dream.

Joe Rogan 31:08 You're in a dream?

Derek Wolfe 31:09 I felt like I was in a fucking dream, and it-

Joe Rogan 31:10 Are your eyes closed?

Derek Wolfe 31:12 Y- no. Your eyes are open.

Joe Rogan 31:14 Your eyes are open?

Derek Wolfe 31:14 My eyes are open, but, like, the lights kind of, like... You can't see anything but the lights, so your mind is, like, the only thing that's really working.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 31:20 And you're, and you're breathing, and then you can hear this woman. And then, like, I go into this Viking camp, and I'm there, and I'm, like, with my, my woman, right? And I'm getting ready to go to war. She's, like, putting me in fucking armor, and-

Joe Rogan 31:33 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 31:33 ... or not armor, but putting my, like, fucking hide, like, this wolf hide or something on me, you know? And then I grab my fucking ax and a, and a shield, and I go to war. And I'm out there fucking, like, like, murdering people out on, on the fucking battlefield, just going ham, you know, just fucking axing people, and, like, it was crazy, like-

Joe Rogan 31:51 So you felt this?

Derek Wolfe 31:52 I could feel it. I could feel it. It was like I was doing it.

Joe Rogan 31:55 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 31:55 And then, when I came out of that, when it, when I... Well, I was betrayed in this fucking-

Joe Rogan 32:01 In the battle?

Derek Wolfe 32:01 ... dream. I was betrayed by my brother, whoever my brother was, he betri- he, they betrayed me because they didn't want me to marry this woman 'cause she was, like... To them, you know, she was like... They couldn't control me anymore.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Whoa.

Derek Wolfe 32:14 So they... I... So they didn't want me to marry this woman, and I did, and then they fucking had me killed.

Joe Rogan 32:19 This was all in the j- in this experience?

Derek Wolfe 32:21 And I wake up- I wake up 'cause my head was getting chopped off.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Holy shit.

Derek Wolfe 32:26 That's what woke me up.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Holy shit.

Derek Wolfe 32:30 Isn't that fucking crazy?

Joe Rogan 32:31 Has that ever happened before or since?

Derek Wolfe 32:33 No.

Joe Rogan 32:34 There was one time?

Derek Wolfe 32:35 Yeah, I just did it... I, well, I did, like, three or four sessions, and, like, that was the last session because I felt like I'd found the roots, you know, of, like, the trauma.

Joe Rogan 32:44 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 32:45 So I fucking, like, I-

Joe Rogan 32:47 I wonder if that's in there, man.

Derek Wolfe 32:48 So that made me... I was like, "This is fucked up."

Joe Rogan 32:50 It completely makes sense.

Derek Wolfe 32:50 Oh, I know that the mind... Like, I know that your mind, your mind is the most powerful tool you have. So I know that it can play tricks on you too. And, like, I watch movies and shit, so, like, I was like, "This shit coulda just came from a movie," right? So I was like, "Let me do some DNA." Fucking Scandinavian all the way through.

Joe Rogan 33:05 (laughs) Of course. Look at you. (laughs) Look at you, dude.

Derek Wolfe 33:07 We were... I came from Scandinavia. We went... My, my bloodline goes from Scandinavia, Germany, and Ireland, and then straight to fucking Appalachia.

Joe Rogan 33:15 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 33:17 Wow. So...

Joe Rogan 33:17 Wow. Holy shit.

Derek Wolfe 33:20 Just all around Viking.

Joe Rogan 33:22 I just... You know, pe- people will dismiss that. They'll dismiss it as imagination and dreams and stuff, but I just wonder how much you car- you carry... I mean, you, obviously some information is transmitted. It's transferred from your genes into your children. There's some that's-

Derek Wolfe 33:38 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Some of it is from them learning, being around you, but-

Derek Wolfe 33:40 How do you think they know how to work a fucking phone so- at three years old already? They know how to fucking swipe it, and, like, it's like they just know.

Joe Rogan 33:48 I think that's just easy for those young, pliable minds to learn.

Derek Wolfe 33:52 You don't think-

Joe Rogan 33:52 'Cause they, they know how to do shit that I don't know how to do.

Derek Wolfe 33:54 You don't think that's passed down at all?

Joe Rogan 33:56 I don't know. I think-

Derek Wolfe 33:57 The technology stuff?

Joe Rogan 33:58 Well, how-

Derek Wolfe 33:58 Like, why are some people good with fucking computers and, like... Dude, I get a computer, and I wanna snap it in half.

Joe Rogan 34:03 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 34:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:05 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 34:05 Like, "Ugh."

Joe Rogan 34:06 I, I, I think some of it is probably passed down through the parents. I mean, they think, like, musical talent, like, oftentimes, it's... But then you gotta go, well, they probably grew up in a musical household too. That probably contributed to it. But what you're, you're talking about is something way more intense, and it makes me wonder. I mean, when people do have those past live dreams or... I always wonder if that's bullshit. Like, there's always some little kid that can speak German that can tell you a story of they grew up in the, during the war, and you're like, "What?" Like, "You're four."

Derek Wolfe 34:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 Like, there's a few of those, but I never know if those are real stories. Have you ever read any of those that are, like, very compelling?

Guest 34:41 I've looked into this heavy one time. There's a- there's a guy. He's, uh, a doctor, a s- uh, an actual person out of college that's been studying as many cases as he could find about this, and I can't remember his name. I can look him up. He's got the info, and-

Joe Rogan 34:55 And what does he say?

Guest 34:56 ... I think he says it is accurate, but there's levels to it. There's different parts people remember. You can't force the chi- the child to go through it. You kind of just have to, like, let them say what they remember. As soon as you start asking them things, it freaks them out. Sometimes they start crying. But there's one I remember hearing. He was remembering stuff about this guy, this World War II pilot's friends that he had. He remembered... He, like, almost named the ship I think they were on.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Whoa.

Guest 35:19 This guy, like, he died in a plane crash. He was shot down. He was having all these memories of it, but they went too far with it, I think, is also what happened. He's like, "I don't know what you're talking about now."

Joe Rogan 35:27 Oh, wow.

Guest 35:28 So there's levels to it too, but...

Joe Rogan 35:30 I always wonder because I, I always wondered, like, how m- how much is tran- It- It makes sense if these beings want to evolve and learn, that you should have the lessons of the people from the past. They should be inside of you in some sort of a way. There's some sort of knowledge that gets transferred to children. It just makes sense.

Derek Wolfe 35:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:50 But if that's the case, you're gonna have... The most traumatic memories are gonna be burned in there.

Derek Wolfe 35:56 Mm-hmm. Because you're s- it's, it's... And then, like, even the ones that you experience in life, you bury those in your subconscious.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 36:03 Right? So, like, when you're... I think it's what-

Guest 36:06 This guy.

Joe Rogan 36:06 This is the doctor? Doctor Ian Stevenson.

Guest 36:08 He's dead now, so the, it, it's still going on.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Shit.

Guest 36:09 It, uh, the studies are still going on. Division of Perceptual Studies at Virginia, I think, is where most of the research has been happening.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Wow.

Guest 36:17 Lot of, lot of, lot of studies have gone into it. Some people are bullshitting, obviously.

Joe Rogan 36:22 For sure.

Guest 36:23 But there are many cases of people that seem to be not bullshitting.

Joe Rogan 36:28 Deathbed- deathbed visions.

Guest 36:30 They're rolling back to the '60s, '70s, I think it is.

Joe Rogan 36:30 A lot of stuff. Various types of extrasensory perception, such as telepathy, apparitions, and deathbed visions, after-death communications or ADCs, poltergeists, experiences of persons who come close to death and survive, usually called near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences, and chi- children's memories of previous lives. Wow.

Derek Wolfe 36:53 ... that's wild.

Joe Rogan 36:54 When you get a real scientist to study and shit like that.

Derek Wolfe 36:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:57 'Cause you gotta wonder, like, it's so easy to dismiss those things. It's so easy to dismiss it. But, the human mind, and it's just ability to acquire information and store it in there, and to- to- to be able to remember things, like, all that is weird enough as it is. I don't think it's that weird that those memories would transfer to children.

Derek Wolfe 37:16 No, it make- I mean, it makes sense to me.

Joe Rogan 37:17 It does.

Derek Wolfe 37:18 But what the fuck do I know, you know?

Joe Rogan 37:19 Well, you have that s- you have a memory that's pretty fucking intense that completely makes sense when you look at you. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 37:24 Yeah, man, it's ... So I just fully embraced it, man.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 37:27 I got fucking Odin tattooed all over me and fucking-

Joe Rogan 37:29 Oh, nice.

Derek Wolfe 37:30 ... big Odin, the big fucking raven with the Odin sign on my chest and shit, like I just-

Joe Rogan 37:34 Full Viking.

Derek Wolfe 37:35 ... I fucking full went on, went into it, man. I just embraced it, so ... It's given me, like, a lot of peace, just kind of like-

Joe Rogan 37:41 Knowing where you came from.

Derek Wolfe 37:41 ... knowing where I come from, right?

Joe Rogan 37:43 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 37:43 Because I just n- I didn't know what the ... I didn't know anything.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Could you imagine being alive during the Viking times?

Derek Wolfe 37:48 Oh, fucking savage.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Could you imagine those-

Derek Wolfe 37:51 We're gonna go rape and pillage.

Joe Rogan 37:53 We're gonna g- See, that's how you think about it. Like, think about that. We're gonna ... I think, "I'm gonna get raped and pillaged." (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 37:57 That's what I think. You're thinking, "Oh, yeah, we're gonna rape and pillage."

Joe Rogan 38:00 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 38:00 I'm thinking, "That's not my role in this. My role is running in the mountains."

Joe Rogan 38:03 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 38:03 "I have to get the fuck out of here."

Joe Rogan 38:05 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 38:06 I see those boats pull up, I'm like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 38:08 Dude, imagine-

Derek Wolfe 38:09 "We gotta go."

Joe Rogan 38:10 Imagine how fucking scary that was.

Derek Wolfe 38:11 Oh, my God. Just a f- just a fucking Viking boat pulls up.

Joe Rogan 38:15 And not just one, probably.

Derek Wolfe 38:16 Oh, just fucking hundreds-

Joe Rogan 38:18 Quite a few.

Derek Wolfe 38:18 ... couple hundred of 'em, probably.

Joe Rogan 38:19 And they just can't wait to jump off the boat and fucking kill everybody.

Derek Wolfe 38:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:23 Ooh.

Derek Wolfe 38:23 And then, it's ... Ha- have you watched that show Vikings?

Joe Rogan 38:25 Yeah. It's a great fucking show.

Derek Wolfe 38:26 It's pretty fucking cool.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Have you seen the Northman, the movie?

Derek Wolfe 38:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:29 Whoo.

Derek Wolfe 38:30 Dude, savage.

Joe Rogan 38:31 That movie's fucking good.

Derek Wolfe 38:32 It's fucking good, man.

Joe Rogan 38:33 And it's like they really were. It's not modernized in any way.

Derek Wolfe 38:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:37 That's what I loved about it. Like, there's no, n- two- 2023 person there.

Derek Wolfe 38:41 It's accurate.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah. It's- it's- that's what you would imagine those people to be like. Everyone's super flawed and fucked up.

Derek Wolfe 38:48 Yep.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Phew.

Derek Wolfe 38:49 Fucking, fucking crazy, man. It's just a ...

Joe Rogan 38:51 That final sequence when they fight it out.

Derek Wolfe 38:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Like, holy shit. Holy shit.

Derek Wolfe 38:56 I loved it.

Joe Rogan 38:56 It's a great fucking moving.

Derek Wolfe 38:58 I love that movie.

Joe Rogan 38:59 I mean, but that time in history, what, what an amazing time. I mean, just, it, it, there's se- several times where I wish I could have a time machine and just, like, just watch. I just wanna be there and see, what was that really like?

Derek Wolfe 39:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:12 And the Viking raids would be one of them, for sure. I mean ...

Derek Wolfe 39:14 I think about that all the time. I- Steve Rinella actually said something, I think it was on your show, and he was talking about, like, Daniel Boone, when he first, when he first crossed the, uh, Cumberland Gap. Imagine what that was like, you know.

Joe Rogan 39:24 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 39:25 But I'm bet-

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 39:25 You know, I think about that, but then I go, then I think about, imagine, like, discovering fucking Iceland for the first time.

Joe Rogan 39:30 Right.

Derek Wolfe 39:31 Right? Or imagine, like, seeing that shit.

Joe Rogan 39:33 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 39:33 And then, or g- going to Greenland and seeing the fucking volcanoes erupting, fucking, they got lava pouring out of 'em and shit. Like that probably-

Joe Rogan 39:40 And these guys were-

Derek Wolfe 39:40 ... was fucking mind-blowing.

Joe Rogan 39:41 ... wooden boats, powered by the wind-

Derek Wolfe 39:44 (exhales) .

Joe Rogan 39:44 ... just floating across the ocean, hoping they don't run out of food.

Derek Wolfe 39:45 Well, they used fucking rowers, too.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 39:47 They had fucking whole, i- like all those guys fucking rowed.

Joe Rogan 39:50 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 39:50 Imagine how fucking strong they were. And their backs probably hurt like a motherfucker, too.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Oh, yeah.

Derek Wolfe 39:54 (laughs) It's fucking crazy to me.

Joe Rogan 39:57 Yeah, no shit.

Derek Wolfe 39:57 For miles and days.

Joe Rogan 39:59 Yeah, for days.

Derek Wolfe 39:59 Just eating nothing, really. Those motherfuckers were savage.

Joe Rogan 40:05 Yeah. People back then were just ... It's so funny, like, the- the- the hardships that people talk about today and what life was like back then.

Derek Wolfe 40:11 And, and imagine if they had to hear it. Imagine if you said that to one of these guys. They'd be like, "You fucking pussy."

Joe Rogan 40:17 Is that a replica or a real one?

Guest 40:18 I think it's a found and then fixed.

Derek Wolfe 40:22 Oh, wow.

Guest 40:22 'Cause I don't think it stayed in that shape, but I think they put it back together.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yeah, they've had a few of those, where they sort of rebuilt them. And I'm like, "That's new wood, though." (sniffs) Wow.

Derek Wolfe 40:31 Look at that thing. Imagine that thing just covered with savages, swinging axes.

Joe Rogan 40:38 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 40:38 And they're just fucking bloodthirsty. They got blood on their faces and shit.

Joe Rogan 40:41 And that was a (laughs) normal part of human history. I mean, that was an era. How long did the Vikings last for? Like, how long was that era?

Derek Wolfe 40:49 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 40:49 They were traveling around fucking everybody up.

Derek Wolfe 40:52 I mean, it kinda, like, faded off into ... When they got, when they got to England, they started, like, Chri- well, what it was, was Christianity.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 41:01 Christianity, like, kinda-

Joe Rogan 41:03 Jaded everybody?

Derek Wolfe 41:03 That was like the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 793 to 1066 CE, the period during the Middle Ages when the Norsemen known as the Vikings undertook large-scale raidings, colonizing, conquest.

Derek Wolfe 41:17 Wow.

Guest 41:18 And trading.

Joe Rogan 41:19 And trading. So they had a good run. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 41:23 Just go steal everybody's shit.

Joe Rogan 41:25 Just fuck everybody up.

Derek Wolfe 41:26 Take their women.

Joe Rogan 41:27 How was everybody so big? That's what's crazy. Like, when you see those guys from Iceland, the, all those World Powerlifting Champion guys, and, like, like, uh, like The Mountain, the dwarf.

Derek Wolfe 41:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Like, how are they, how is everybody so big over there?

Derek Wolfe 41:38 I think it's, like, an ancient DNA that's-

Joe Rogan 41:40 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 41:41 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:41 It has to be.

Derek Wolfe 41:41 You know, that's almost gotten lost. It's, it's there, man. It's fucking ... They say giants, th- you know, I believe that there was giants walking the Earth at one point. There's probably fucking eight-foot-tall, nine-foot-tall motherfuckers. They say they were, like, 20- 20, 30-feet tall.

Joe Rogan 41:55 Is that real? What is this stuff?

Derek Wolfe 41:56 'Cause didn't they find a femur bone?

Joe Rogan 41:58 It says the average Viking was, uh, eight to 10 centimeters, three to four inches, shorter than we are today. The skeletons that are, that archeologists have found revealed that a man around 172 centimeters tall, 5'6", and a woman had an average height of 5'1". Yeah, but that's the, just the people that they killed.

Derek Wolfe 42:18 Yeah, those were the ones that died.

Joe Rogan 42:19 (laughs) Those were the skeletons they found.

Derek Wolfe 42:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Everybody else died in a fire on a boat.

Derek Wolfe 42:23 Everybody bo- on a boat, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 42:24 If you were a fucking-

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 42:26 If you were, like, if you, you had to die, those are the ones that just didn't die with their sword in their hand.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 42:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:30 They just found them stomped to death.

Derek Wolfe 42:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:33 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 42:33 Just fucking ran through 'em.

Joe Rogan 42:36 That's such a, that, when they talk about the average, that's funny. So they killed-

Derek Wolfe 42:39 Stomped to death.

Joe Rogan 42:39 (laughs) ... a bunch of 5'6" dudes.

Derek Wolfe 42:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:41 (laughs) It's like, it's all that is. Like, the amount of 5'6" dudes that got stomped to death is pretty high.

Derek Wolfe 42:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:47 We think they were all pretty short.

Derek Wolfe 42:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:49 (laughs) Like, this, obviously that can't be true.... because the stories are them all being these giant savages, and then you have the guys in Iceland, you got guys like you. Obviously, they were giant.

Derek Wolfe 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 It seems-

Derek Wolfe 43:02 It's pretty obvious.

Joe Rogan 43:03 ... obvious that the ones who were, like, at the front of the boats, the guys who were raiding, they were giant people.

Derek Wolfe 43:07 Yeah. And I think, I think that, uh, I think that, like, the water was so much different back then, that people drank-

Joe Rogan 43:15 Glacier milk.

Derek Wolfe 43:15 ... like glacier water.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 43:16 And they were eating fucking musk ox and-

Joe Rogan 43:18 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 43:19 ... fucking, uh, Irish elk. Remember the Irish elk?

Joe Rogan 43:22 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 43:22 They were eating shit like that.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 43:24 So, like, they were eating just, they were just like meat, leaves, and berries-

Joe Rogan 43:28 High protein and murder.

Derek Wolfe 43:29 ... and murder. Tons... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 43:30 And mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 43:31 And mushrooms.

Derek Wolfe 43:32 They were... And they did, they did, they used to do, like, ayahuasca. Those vikings were, like, really into that.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Well, I know they were into mushrooms, right? They would-

Derek Wolfe 43:38 And, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:38 ... they would take mushrooms before they would go on ra... That was in the, the, the show too.

Derek Wolfe 43:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:43 The show was great because there was no real good guys. Like, the people that they were storming the castle and killing 'em, they were cunts too.

Derek Wolfe 43:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:49 So it's like you didn't really mind that they were getting murdered. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 43:52 Well, everybody was fucked up back then, right?

Joe Rogan 43:54 Yeah, everybody was fucked up. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 43:55 Like, everybody was fucking evil.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 43:56 You had fucking kings that just owned all the land and would just be like, "Nope, you can't eat anything off this land."

Joe Rogan 44:01 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 44:01 You're gonna starve.

Joe Rogan 44:02 That's the real Robin Hood story.

Derek Wolfe 44:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 What Robin Hood was really about was hunting.

Derek Wolfe 44:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 44:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:08 That's, I mean, that's not that long ago. That's not that long ago.

Derek Wolfe 44:11 It's not, no.

Joe Rogan 44:12 But that's what's crazy.

Derek Wolfe 44:12 When you think about how long... Like, it's just a little blip.

Joe Rogan 44:15 A bli- a tiny little blip.

Derek Wolfe 44:17 Just a fucking blip.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Do you, uh, ever, uh, pay attention to guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and th- these guys that think that there was a huge reset of civilization?

Derek Wolfe 44:27 I've heard about the reset, but I-

Joe Rogan 44:29 They've, they've-

Derek Wolfe 44:29 But I... Talk more about that 'cause I'm, I'm interested

Guest 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 They think that there was natural disasters, probably comet impacts around 11,800 years ago-

Derek Wolfe 44:36 Okay, yep.

Joe Rogan 44:37 ... that reset civilization and probably knocked us back into the Stone Age.

Derek Wolfe 44:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 And that it makes sense if you think about the, like... When you're talking, like, a thousand years ago with the Vikings, and 2,000 years ago with the Romans, and just how savage and barbaric people were. But yet, thousands of years before that, they built the pyramids. Like, how'd they do that? Well, if something happened that, like, wiped everyone out back down to, like, just pure savage people that just scratch and clawing to stay alive, and then they rebuilt civilization, well, you would have the echoes of that barbarism just running through cultures. And that's what we have.

Derek Wolfe 45:13 Yep.

Joe Rogan 45:14 And that's really... When you see the Vikings, when you, when you, you think about the Mongols, you think about the horrific shit that people did to each other just a couple thousand years ago. And then a few thousand years before that, you have this immensely sophisticated civilization in Africa that's building s- giant stone structures in perfect geometry. Like, what happened?

Derek Wolfe 45:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:35 What the fuck happened?

Derek Wolfe 45:36 So, yeah, it has to be. It has to be.

Joe Rogan 45:37 Makes sense.

Derek Wolfe 45:37 I totally believe in that. Uh, this is... What's the documentary called?

Joe Rogan 45:41 Um, well, the... Graham Hancock's is called-

Guest 45:43 Well, there's a-

Joe Rogan 45:44 ... Natural Catastrophes.

Derek Wolfe 45:45 Yeah, yeah.

Guest 45:45 Ancient Apocalyp-

Joe Rogan 45:46 Oh, okay, Ancient Apocalyp-

Derek Wolfe 45:47 Ancient, Ancient Apocalypses.

Joe Rogan 45:48 (laughs) It's a terrible name.

Guest 45:49 Ancient Apocalypses.

Derek Wolfe 45:49 He said Natural-

Joe Rogan 45:50 Natural Catastrophes. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 45:51 Natural Catastrophes is just Ancient Apocalypses.

Joe Rogan 45:53 Ancient Apocalypses. And Graham's, uh, is, is I think, I believe it's seven pieces? Seven? How many parts is it?

Guest 45:59 Uh, hold on actually. It's four.

Joe Rogan 46:00 It's at least four. But it's all different-

Derek Wolfe 46:02 I watched it.

Joe Rogan 46:03 It's amazing.

Derek Wolfe 46:03 It's fucking great.

Joe Rogan 46:04 It's amazing. And that, this is what he's pointing out. And archeologists are very hesitant to get on board with it because they've been lecturing this different narrative for so long, they've been writing books and, you know, I mean, they don't want to say they were wrong, but it looks like they were wrong. It looks like the idea of the start of civilization being around 6,000 years ago is a restart of civilization.

Derek Wolfe 46:25 That has to be.

Joe Rogan 46:27 So when you... Yeah, it makes sense. 'Cause when they're finding these structures like Gobekli Tepe in Turkey and, and a lot of the ones they believe in Egypt, 'cause-

Derek Wolfe 46:34 Have you been to Egypt?

Joe Rogan 46:35 No, I haven't been there yet.

Derek Wolfe 46:36 Dude.

Joe Rogan 46:37 I heard it's insane.

Derek Wolfe 46:37 I climbed to the center of the Great Pyramid.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Yeah?

Derek Wolfe 46:40 Fucking wild energy in there.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Oh, I can imagine.

Derek Wolfe 46:43 Fucking vibrating, like woo.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Really?

Derek Wolfe 46:45 Like, it's fucking weird.

Guest 46:45 Like, you feel it?

Derek Wolfe 46:46 Yeah.

Guest 46:46 Or is it just like-

Derek Wolfe 46:47 No, you feel it. You can move-

Guest 46:48 ... you're freaking out 'cause you're there?

Derek Wolfe 46:49 No, you can almost hear it.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Really?

Derek Wolfe 46:51 It's like this weird energy in there, yeah. It doesn't feel like... Like, it doesn't put off, like, a bad vibe or anything.It just feels like electric in there.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 46:59 It's like, "What is this, a fucking power station?"

Joe Rogan 47:01 What is it?

Derek Wolfe 47:02 I don't know. It's a... They say it's a tomb.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Yeah, but that's not real.

Derek Wolfe 47:06 That can't be real.

Joe Rogan 47:06 I don't think that's real because-

Derek Wolfe 47:07 Why would they spend s-

Joe Rogan 47:08 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 47:08 They wouldn't spend that much fucking time and manpower.

Joe Rogan 47:12 I mean, maybe they would if the king was that much of a baller, but I just don't think that it makes sense. First of all, I don't believe they've ever found, uh, like a dead pharaoh inside of one of those things.

Derek Wolfe 47:23 No.

Joe Rogan 47:24 I don't think there's any real indication that it's a tomb.

Derek Wolfe 47:26 And they're like, "Oh, they got robbed." It's just speculation.

Joe Rogan 47:27 "It was robbed."

Derek Wolfe 47:28 They definitely were. I mean, they, they robbed the shit out of those.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Well, why would you take a body?

Derek Wolfe 47:32 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:32 They definitely did.

Guest 47:34 I looked into that recently, remember?

Joe Rogan 47:35 Yeah, we were... They ate them.

Guest 47:37 They ate them.

Joe Rogan 47:37 They used to eat them.

Guest 47:38 Yeah, up until like 100 years ago, they ate them.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Yeah, people would have, uh-

Derek Wolfe 47:41 (laughs)

Guest 47:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:41 ... ceremonies, like rich people's houses-

Guest 47:44 That's fucked, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:44 ... and they would, they would unwrap mummies in front of their guests. Yeah, it was like an English thing, right?

Guest 47:49 Uh, even up in-

Derek Wolfe 47:50 It sounds like an Illuminati thing.

Joe Rogan 47:51 (laughs) It does.

Guest 47:52 So 1909, they, they would give people ground skull for, uh, just like headaches and shit like that. Ground up skull. The ground up mummy was called m- mum- um...

Joe Rogan 48:03 Mumia, right?

Guest 48:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mumia, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Yeah.

Guest 48:05 Jesus.

Derek Wolfe 48:05 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 48:07 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 48:07 That's fucking weird.

Guest 48:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 Bro, that cal- if there's one place that I could go see what the fuck was it like, it would be ancient Egypt.

Derek Wolfe 48:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:14 That would be the number one spot. I'd be like, I gotta see. I gotta see. What were you guys doing? Like, how'd you do this?

Derek Wolfe 48:19 Well, then it makes you wonder-

Joe Rogan 48:20 Show me how you moved a rock.

Derek Wolfe 48:20 Yeah. Well, I think there was water flowing through that area.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Well, there definitely was. The Nile River's there.

Derek Wolfe 48:26 Well, the Nile, yeah, but I'm talking about right next to the pyramid. Like-

Joe Rogan 48:29 Why do you think that?

Derek Wolfe 48:30 Because there's no fucking way. If you've ever... There's no way they move that shit through sand.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 48:35 They're like, "Oh, they rolled them on logs." Motherfucker, that's sand. Those logs are just gonna sink into the sand.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Well, it wasn't necessarily sand back then. See, this is the crazy thing about the, that area, um, is that where there, where there's-... like, the Sahara Desert used to be vast green lands.

Derek Wolfe 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:53 It used to be, like, a jungle, and it receded and became a j- it became this, what we see now, all the sand. And Egypt, in the early days, like 9,000 BC I believe, that it, they had, it was a rainforest.

Derek Wolfe 49:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:07 So, like, that same area where now it's just sand and dry, it was, like, torrential dr- downpours all the time. That's one of the reason-

Derek Wolfe 49:15 It's kind of like Pangea, right? When pe- when the-

Joe Rogan 49:17 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 49:17 ... when we just had one continent, and it was just a tropical-

Joe Rogan 49:20 Things-

Derek Wolfe 49:21 ... uh, a giant o- giant island. Right?

Joe Rogan 49:23 That was a long-ass time ago, though.

Derek Wolfe 49:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:25 This is not that long ago. But this, when they're talking about the dates of the pyramids, one of the, the first, uh, pieces of evidence that they discovered was, uh, there's a guy named, uh, Dr. Robert Schoch out of Boston University, and he's a geologist. And he was examining the Temple of the Sphinx, and he was like, "This is water erosion." It's like there's thousands of years of rainfall that's caused this erosion.

Derek Wolfe 49:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:48 And all the other archaeologists are like, "There's no way, this is impossible," 'cause the last time it rained in the Nile Valley was, like, 9,000 BC.

Derek Wolfe 49:56 (laughs) That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 49:57 Yeah. It's really nuts. So that means it was-

Derek Wolfe 49:58 Well, these-

Joe Rogan 49:58 ... thousands of years of rainfall before that, so that means these things have to be 12,000, 15,000 years old, 20,000 years old.

Derek Wolfe 50:06 20, it could be-

Joe Rogan 50:06 How old are those?

Derek Wolfe 50:07 Yes. 20, that's what, uh, uh, the guide that was with me, he was, like, a local guy, you know, that lived there. And, um, we kind of just met him hanging out, you know? And he's just like, "Hey, you want to fucking really learn about this thing?" I was like, "Yes."

Joe Rogan 50:18 Oh, wow.

Derek Wolfe 50:18 So he started filling me in on all this. He took me on, like, he took us all around the city and he was like, "Listen, these things are so much older. They'll tell you these things are only, like, you know, a couple thousand years old. These things are, like, 15,000, 20,000 years old."

Joe Rogan 50:29 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 50:29 He's like, "And there was water." He said, "There was water that flew through here," and that it's how they got, they said they brought these rocks in on boat, by boat.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Mm.

Derek Wolfe 50:36 They brought them in by boat, and then they would roll them up, and they would use elephants and all kinds of other shit to pull them up.

Joe Rogan 50:43 (sighs) I would love to see what they did. I wonder.

Derek Wolfe 50:45 And when you see the size of these fucking stones, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:47 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 50:48 Granite and marble and fucking, fu- they used to have gold capped on, they were-

Joe Rogan 50:53 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 50:53 ... gold capped on the top, like how-

Joe Rogan 50:54 And smooth limestone on, on the outside-

Derek Wolfe 50:55 It's, it, it is perfectly fucking smooth.

Joe Rogan 50:59 ... of the pyramid. Before they fucked up the outside of it, 'cause that was all looters-

Derek Wolfe 51:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:02 ... that turned the outside all jagged. It used to be smooth.

Derek Wolfe 51:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:06 What-

Derek Wolfe 51:06 Well, and then who knows what's, who knows what that fucking city is built, you know, what, what's underneath that city?

Joe Rogan 51:10 Right, what was there before them?

Derek Wolfe 51:12 'Cause if, oh, if you wanna buil- if you don't believe that cities are built on top of cities, go to fucking Europe.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Right.

Derek Wolfe 51:16 You know? And look and see how every fucking city is built on another one-

Joe Rogan 51:19 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 51:20 ... where they came in, and they fucking knocked their shit down and built right on top of you.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Yep. They find that in Mexico City too.

Derek Wolfe 51:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 They're always digging around. They find, like, Aztec stuff, and they have to stop. Yeah. Fuck, man.

Derek Wolfe 51:30 And what was before that, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:32 Right, what was before that? Like, when did they start? When did civilization actually start? Was it 30,000 years ago? Like, or when, when did they get to phys-

Derek Wolfe 51:39 Was it 100,000 years ago?

Joe Rogan 51:40 Yeah. Well, they keep predating modern humans too. They used to think, or they ke- keep, uh, moving the date rather. They used to think modern humans were, like, 50,000, 100,000 years old. Now they're getting close to, like, a million.

Derek Wolfe 51:50 Yeah. That's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 51:51 It's a lot of time to learn shit.

Derek Wolfe 51:53 Well, think, I mean, think about the difference between 100,000 and a million.

Joe Rogan 51:55 Yeah. Well, think about the difference-

Derek Wolfe 51:56 I mean, think about how much evolution can happen.

Joe Rogan 51:57 ... between the Viking times and now.

Derek Wolfe 51:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Not that long.

Derek Wolfe 52:00 Not that long.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Like that. (snaps fingers) Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 52:02 Electricity changed a lot of shit too.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 52:05 Once, once electricity and the internet, like-

Joe Rogan 52:08 Electricity and then combustion engines, the internet, air travel, everything. It's like every time some new thing happens, everything moves much, much faster. And h- so who knows what the fuck they figured out back then? They, I think they had some completely different technology. That's what I think.

Derek Wolfe 52:23 Had to have.

Joe Rogan 52:24 And I think it was wiped out when the comets hit. I think-

Derek Wolfe 52:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:27 I think whatever people-

Derek Wolfe 52:27 They got hammered by those fucking comets-

Joe Rogan 52:29 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 52:29 ... man, it ...

Joe Rogan 52:31 There's real evidence for it too, like, real core sample evidence of the Earth that shows that the Earth got hit during that period of time. So it's, uh, it's a ver- very valid theory. But it's one that's, uh, l- mainstream, they don't want to embrace it because they've been teaching in a different way for so long, and they're like, "You're so fucked up."

Derek Wolfe 52:47 Well, think about, like, Atlantis, right?

Joe Rogan 52:49 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 52:49 Like, that was, like, the downfall of Atlantis, right, was when those fucking comets hit. And then you, then you have, like, real evidence, like, p- like Pompeii.

Joe Rogan 52:56 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 52:56 Where it's fucking, like, a volcano erupted and just wiped the whole civilization out.

Joe Rogan 53:00 Yep, froze people.

Derek Wolfe 53:01 Froze them.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Have you gone there?

Derek Wolfe 53:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:02 It's weird, right?

Derek Wolfe 53:03 It's fucking creepy.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Can you imagine, like, being there, just chilling, han- having a good time in Pompeii, and then you just see boom? And you're like-

Derek Wolfe 53:10 And it's a few miles away, like-

Joe Rogan 53:11 ... "Holy shit."

Derek Wolfe 53:11 ... "Oh, why are we here?"

Joe Rogan 53:13 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 53:13 "What, why did we build a city right here?"

Joe Rogan 53:15 "Why did we build right here by a volcano?"

Derek Wolfe 53:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:18 (sighs) Oh.

Derek Wolfe 53:18 I was, there's an, there's a thing on Netflix about, uh, natural disasters now, and they were talking about a volcano, v- about, like, volcanoes and how people are living closer to volcanoes more and more, and that it's a fucking mistake. I think it's like a-

Joe Rogan 53:29 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 53:30 ... I think it's, like, a billion people or something-

Joe Rogan 53:32 Live near volcanoes?

Derek Wolfe 53:32 ... live near volcanoes on the planet, and, like, all of them are active.

Joe Rogan 53:35 (sighs) Well, how about Hawaii? I love the Big Island. But every time I go to the Big Island, last time I left, it was a volcano the next day. I'm like, "Jesus Christ."

Derek Wolfe 53:44 Oh. Yeah, dude, I don't want anything to do with that shit. That shit freaks me out.

Joe Rogan 53:47 (groans)

Derek Wolfe 53:47 They say the steam from that shit will just melt you.

Joe Rogan 53:50 (exhales)

Derek Wolfe 53:51 It just melts you.

Joe Rogan 53:52 There's a great video of, uh, Hawaii. This guy's got his Mustang parked on the street, and the lava just comes down the street and engulfs the Mustang. It destroys it.

Derek Wolfe 54:01 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 54:01 It was, like, someone's, uh, security camera caught the footage.

Derek Wolfe 54:04 Oh, man, I bet that was cool-looking.

Joe Rogan 54:05 (exhales)

Derek Wolfe 54:07 It just scared the fuck out of you.

Joe Rogan 54:08 Well, that lets you know you're not supposed to stop there. (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 54:10 No. Don't live here.

Joe Rogan 54:12 That's a bad spot. But if you can get away, here it is. Look at it. This guy's car is parked, and it just makes its way across the street. I mean, this is a residential neighborhood with this fucking lava.

Derek Wolfe 54:23 Well, if you think about, like, this is how all earth was made, right?

Joe Rogan 54:26 Yeah. Look how it's all ground.

Derek Wolfe 54:27 It's like dust bowl.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Look how amazing that is. It just completely consumes that car. That car doesn't exist anymore.

Derek Wolfe 54:34 It just melts everything.

Joe Rogan 54:36 I mean, it just looks so out of place. When you see the, the sidewalk or the, the street and then you see the mailbox and you see this lava flow headed towards that car, you're like, "What the fuck is happening?"

Derek Wolfe 54:48 Look at that thing go.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Dude.

Derek Wolfe 54:50 That's amazing.Just destroy anything.

Joe Rogan 54:55 And they live there, but beautiful place to live.

Derek Wolfe 54:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:58 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 54:58 I think we're going in... Uh, th- I'm... We're going in, like, June maybe.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Oh, yeah?

Derek Wolfe 55:02 End of May, early June I'm gonna take the kids and the wife over there.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Have you gone to Lanai?

Derek Wolfe 55:06 Um, no. I only went to Hawaii once, and that was to play.

Joe Rogan 55:09 Oh, well, it's, it's a great place to hunt too.

Derek Wolfe 55:11 Well, that's what I was gonna do.

Joe Rogan 55:12 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 55:12 I was gonna do a little hunting, a little spearfishing too.

Joe Rogan 55:14 Oh, nice. Yeah. I haven't done spearfishing, but I heard that's awesome.

Derek Wolfe 55:17 It's fucking creepy, dude. I hate sharks.

Joe Rogan 55:19 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 55:19 I fucking hate them, dude. I feel so vulnerable in the water when, when there's sharks around.

Joe Rogan 55:23 You should. Yeah. It's-

Derek Wolfe 55:25 Ugh, more than any other animal that I've been around. I've never felt so vulnerable.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Yeah, 'cause at least on the ground, you're used to being on the ground.

Derek Wolfe 55:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Like, you're in the water, that's their world.

Derek Wolfe 55:34 Yeah. And they have no chance. And he's fucked.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Yeah, it's not a good spot, not a good spot to be. But, uh, Lanai is an amazing place to hunt. They have, uh, so many axis deer.

Derek Wolfe 55:42 I love eating axis too.

Joe Rogan 55:43 They're so delicious. And it's like there's an imperative to kill them, because there's so many of them. Shark feeding frenzy caught off coast of Leezi... What?

Guest 55:51 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 55:52 Dude, that's my worst nightmare right there.

Joe Rogan 55:53 What? Is that real?

Guest 55:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Oh, my God. For people who are just listening, we're looking at, like, what, 50 sharks?

Guest 56:00 No.

Joe Rogan 56:00 100 sh-... More. More.

Derek Wolfe 56:01 Well, we're gonna see more and more sharks because we... People... You know, there's, like, a lot of effort to save sharks now.

Joe Rogan 56:06 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 56:06 You know? So people don't really kill sharks. So you're gonna see more and more of them.

Joe Rogan 56:10 So the fishermen were surrounded by a shark-feeding frenzy. When... What were they eating?

Derek Wolfe 56:16 I mean, these guys were probably chumming, right?

Guest 56:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:19 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 56:19 Probably chumming a little bit, and they got bait in the water and-

Joe Rogan 56:21 This is insane. Look how many fucking sharks there are. I've never seen anything like this.

Derek Wolfe 56:26 You ever seen, uh, the videos of the great whites that get the dead whales?

Joe Rogan 56:29 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 56:29 The, the... There'll be, like, a dead whale floating, and these fucking-

Joe Rogan 56:31 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 56:31 ... 20-foot great whites come up and just fucking... Ha! Take a huge chunk out of it.

Joe Rogan 56:36 Take chunks out of them. Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 56:36 Take, like, three or four chunks out of it, and then they're like, "All right, I'm good for a few hours."

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 56:39 Like, you just ate, like, a fucking thousand pounds of meat.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Sharks are... They're so terrifying. That's why I don't surf. I'm like, "You, you can keep that."

Derek Wolfe 56:47 No. I look like... I don't want to look like a fucking seal.

Joe Rogan 56:49 People love it though. They love it. They tell you about surfing. They say it's the greatest feeling of your life. You get up on that board. You're like... You're in touch with nature, and you're in the vibe of the ocean.

Derek Wolfe 56:59 Yeah. Um, those big wave surfers, dude, those guys are fucking-

Joe Rogan 57:01 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 57:02 ... nuts.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Yeah, they got real-

Derek Wolfe 57:03 100-foot wave.

Joe Rogan 57:04 They got real problems.

Derek Wolfe 57:05 Man.

Joe Rogan 57:05 (laughs)

Derek Wolfe 57:05 I would never. I be... I mean, like, I've been rocked by a fucking 10, 12-foot wave, you know, in... Washed in there, like, washed... Like I was in a dryer.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Yeah, they're-

Derek Wolfe 57:14 No thanks.

Joe Rogan 57:14 They're wired different, for sure. My buddy, Shane Dorian, does that shit. I watch videos of him doing it online. He's like a normal dude. You hang out with him, and he's, like, real chill and mellow and real friendly. And then you watch him on the s- the surfboard. You're like, "How the fuck? Look how big that wave is."

Derek Wolfe 57:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:30 "Like, if that comes down on you, you're dead."

Derek Wolfe 57:31 You look like a little speck. It looks like a building.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 57:34 It looks like you're on a fucking... There's a building falling over.

Joe Rogan 57:36 I think part of it, what people like, is, like, being humbled by nature, just the, the overwhelming sensation of the power of nature.

Derek Wolfe 57:42 Well, I've been on... Like, that's how... Um, that's how I feel when I'm out, like, elk hunting, when I'm, like, really back country.

Joe Rogan 57:47 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 57:48 Like, way out there, you know, like, 12 miles deep, fucking-

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 57:51 ... standing up on a ridge, and you just look out, and it's like, "Holy fuck." Like-

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 57:55 ... "I could die out here."

Joe Rogan 57:55 It's real.

Derek Wolfe 57:56 (laughs) "I could really fucking die out here."

Joe Rogan 57:57 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 57:57 If I don't find some fresh water, I'm fucked.

Joe Rogan 57:59 It's the real wild. Yeah. I, I love it. When did you first... You s- you said you started hunting as a kid?

Derek Wolfe 58:05 Yeah. My... I killed my first, uh, white tail with a bow when I was th- just about 13.

Joe Rogan 58:10 Hmm.

Derek Wolfe 58:10 So that's when I f-... And my stepdad would... He was a... He liked to hunt too every now and then, you know, he was into it, but he would just take me in the woods once a year and fucking sit me under a tree and, "Don't fucking move." "All right." And I'd sit there and freeze.

Joe Rogan 58:21 (laughs) Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 58:22 And he'd go. But I got... You know, just sitting there, you'd see fucking deer come close, and it was... To me, it was really cool to see how close I could get to the deer.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 58:29 I didn't really, like, enjoy shooting them with a gun, so I just, like... Once I got a bow in my hand, I was like, oh, a full-blown addict, like, right away.

Joe Rogan 58:36 It's such a different experience, isn't it?

Derek Wolfe 58:38 Yeah. There's something primal about it.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Yeah. It taps into some strange area of your brain. And because it's silent too, like, it's, like, such a... 'Cause you're sneaking up, you have to be quiet. There's no boom.

Derek Wolfe 58:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:52 The boom is like... Cam Hanes has always said that, that the boom of the gun just always felt out of place to him.

Derek Wolfe 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Like, you're in the wilderness, everything's peaceful and beautiful and natural and primal, and then boom.

Derek Wolfe 59:06 And I have nothing against rifle hunters, man. Like, I... There's, there's a need for all that shit, but dude, I just... The bow hunting, the snap of the bow.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 59:13 Like that fa. And then you... The whack of the do-... And the pop of the lungs popping.

Joe Rogan 59:17 Also, also, the skill involved in archery is so different.

Derek Wolfe 59:19 (laughs) You have to practice so much.

Joe Rogan 59:21 You have to practice so much. It has to be a part of you. You have to just, like... In your mind, you have to be able to just, like... (exhales)

Derek Wolfe 59:27 Yeah, you anchor the...

Joe Rogan 59:27 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 59:28 I use a nose button, so when I anchor that nose button, it's like everything is... You know, like that mountain lion hunt, dude, I... That was the... one of the most physically demanding things I've ever done.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Really?

Derek Wolfe 59:37 It fucked me up.

Joe Rogan 59:37 So how did this come about? This is a mountain lion that was killing people's dogs?

Derek Wolfe 59:40 Yeah. Well, no, that's the thing. It's not... There was... In that area, dogs get fucking killed by mountain lions all the time.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 59:48 In Colorado in general.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 59:49 Like, it happens all the time. Like, up in Boulder, they took a cat from... They took a lion from Boulder and moved it out to, like, Nederland.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 59:55 You lived up in Boulder, so you know what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 59:56 The Netherlands area?

Joe Rogan 59:57 My dog got killed by a mountain lion in Boulder.

Derek Wolfe 59:58 Right. I... Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:59 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 59:59 I heard this story.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:01 So they moved this lion. Instead of, like, killing the lion, which is what they should have done, 'cause once it's used to eating that kind of food, it's not going back to chasing deer and shit.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Mm-hmm.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:08 You know, it's gonna go take the easy meal and kill the little dogs.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Right. Of course.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:11 Well, they took that lion and moved it out to Nederland. It killed 15 dogs in 30 days.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Geez.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:16 And then they had to kill it. So you have to manage that population. But what happened was... Alex is out... He's actually sitting out there right now. Alex called me and was like, "Hey, we got a fresh snow. You want to come up and, you know, drive up here and, and hunt a lion?" I said, "Yeah, let's go." Uh, so I grabbed my bow and drove up there, you know, 4:00 in the morning, and we just started driving around trying to cut tracks with, with the hounds.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:35 So we're... You know, we're driving, driving, just find a couple smaller tracks, and then we find this big track coming across the, across the road, and we're like, "Oh, that's a big fucking lion." Um, so we get out and look at, check it out, and he had a fucking mule deer. Just... He just killed this mule deer. Like, it was, like, steaming still-

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:52 ... under the tree. He had ripped it... You could see its guts all hanging out because it was eating it and shit. Dude, these fucking things are crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 1:00:58 This giant mule deer, four by four, full grown under this tree. And then we look and we see it going back and forth from this porch. So it's going from this guy's porch that we're ... To this, to this kill, going back and forth. That's where it was denned up, was under that fucking porch. We didn't see it under there.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Oh, my God.

Derek Wolfe 1:01:14 But you can see that that's where he was sleeping. Like, that's where he was fucking hanging out because it was easy killing for him, for him. He had dogs and fucking deer and ...

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 1:01:22 Literally any- whatever he wanted there 'cause it's pu- There's a lot of public, uh, hiking trails that go right up through there.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Oh.

Derek Wolfe 1:01:28 So, and this is like a dude ranch, right? So then (laughs) we knocked on the door and the guy didn't answer. So we were like, "Fuck." So we called a bunch of different, uh, landowners around the area trying to ... And neighbors and shit. And we ... Then we started hearing stories about, "Oh yeah, last year this lion killed a dog." And, uh, w- he's been har- There's a, there's one that's harassing my dogs now," this woman said. She's like, "I won't come out of my house at night." She's like, "'Cause there's like three or four of them running around here." And there's like sheep herds and deer herds and elk herds all through there. So it's like prime lion country. They have all the food they could want, but when you have one big alpha, he's gonna ... He literally like hoards all the food and kills kittens. B- he'll kill kittens to like make sure he gets the food. So killing a big tom is what you want. That's what you wanna go after. Big, full, mature tom because it's good for the, the lion population, it's good for the deer population, it's good for just conservation in general. And in this case it was good for the neighbors 'cause he was being ... He, he was living ... Imagine a 220 pound eight and a half foot lion.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 Was it that big?

Derek Wolfe 1:02:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 That's what you weighed it at?

Derek Wolfe 1:02:28 I weigh- I g- it was gutted at ... I got it gutted and cleaned and it was 173. Cape and meat was 173. So I'm guessing with all his blood and, and meat in him, and guts, he was probably 220.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 That's as, that's as big as they get, right?

Derek Wolfe 1:02:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 That's how-

Derek Wolfe 1:02:43 I mean they-

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 ... so, so big.

Derek Wolfe 1:02:44 And if, if you pull the picture, I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Look at the size of that picture. Holy shit. That cat is so big.

Derek Wolfe 1:02:51 Look at his fucking paws, dude. That was the first thing that I looked at, was his paws and his head. I mean, I ... Dude, it's 11 inches from thumb to ... On my hand it's 11 inches from, uh, pinky to thumb. So when I put my hand up there and that thing fucking just like ... It engulfed my hand.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Wow. That thing's so-

Derek Wolfe 1:03:11 He could fucking hu-

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 ... fucking huge.

Derek Wolfe 1:03:12 He could kill you and drag you by your fucking neck out of there, no problem.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Right up a tree. Whoop.

Derek Wolfe 1:03:16 Right up a fucking tree. You'd be sl- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Wow.

Derek Wolfe 1:03:21 Look how big his head is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 That's the biggest cat I've ever seen. I saw a big one in Utah, uh, a year ago. It was pretty big. It was under a tree. And, uh, we were about 30 yards away in a truck and, um, my buddy Colton, who I was with, he, he spotted it and we hit the brakes and you, and you see these glowing eyes under this, this tree 'cause it was like getting dusk, out. And, uh, I had my binoculars on so I'm like zooming in on it, this big old fucking pumpkin head. But it wasn't that big. The one I saw looked like, like 180, 180-

Derek Wolfe 1:03:51 Yeah, let's see, h- it's huge.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Huge.

Derek Wolfe 1:03:53 Regardless.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Enormous. Enormous.

Derek Wolfe 1:03:54 'Cause the average ... That's what the CPW told me, the average is like, you know, 140 to 160-

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Yeah.

Derek Wolfe 1:03:59 ... is like the ... That's what we normally see for a big mature tom.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 And then you get ones like that.

Derek Wolfe 1:04:03 And then you get one like that that's in his prime. Like in his fucking prime.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Eating dogs.

Derek Wolfe 1:04:07 Eating fucking dog ... It's only a matter of time before