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Joe Rogan Experience #1962 - Eddie Huang

Eddie Huang is an author, chef, restaurateur, producer, and former attorney. He's the author of the memoir "Fresh Off the Boat", which inspired the ABC sitcom of the same name, director of the 2021 film "Boogie," and co-host of the "Separate Bedrooms" podcast. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/separate-bedrooms/id1677706318

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Jun 27, 20243h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:21

    Reunion and the end of ‘Wong’s World’: VICE’s wild spending era

    1. EH

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. JR

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. NA

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays)

    4. JR

      Hello.

    5. EH

      What up, man?

    6. JR

      Good to see you, my friend. What's cracking?

    7. EH

      Been forever. I feel-

    8. JR

      I know.

    9. EH

      ... 2017 I think was the last time.

    10. JR

      Well, I have to go back and check. But was the last time that I saw you on the podcast, that the last time I saw you?

    11. EH

      I think it was. We came with like, uh, like a voting expert before the election.

    12. JR

      Mm.

    13. EH

      Like it might have been like 2017.

    14. JR

      That's right.

    15. EH

      I think... 'Cause we did hot yoga then I came-

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. EH

      ... back on the show.

    18. JR

      We did hot yoga for your show.

    19. EH

      Yeah. (laughs)

    20. JR

      That was fun.

    21. EH

      Yeah. That was dope.

    22. JR

      That was fun. That was fun.

    23. EH

      Then VICE ran outta money and, uh, you know, couldn't do the show anymore.

    24. JR

      Well, somebody got money. Didn't J- Shane Smith make-

    25. EH

      Shane's the man.

    26. JR

      ... make a fuckin' ton of loot?

    27. EH

      Shane's the man.

    28. JR

      Yeah, I love that dude.

    29. EH

      I still talk to Shane, but, um, no, it was... I think the end of Wong's World was just, they were like, "Yo, we still wanna do Wong's World, but can we make it domestic?" And I wanted to do films and I was just like-

    30. JR

      Mm.

  2. 1:21 – 4:16

    VICE’s danger-documentary culture and iconic episodes (Choe in the Congo)

    1. JR

      Bro, it started out, they would take these guys with glasses on, these nerds, and send them over to like the middle of a goddamn war zone. These dudes would be filmin' with a flak jacket on-

    2. EH

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... and bombs are blowin' off in the Middle East, and they're just reporting there. You're like, "Whoa, VICE is wild."

    4. EH

      Yeah. It was the best 'cause it would... VICE would just pick the most dangerous shit-

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. EH

      ... and be like, "Here's $30,000. Go with a, like, you know, 5D camera."

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. EH

      "And fuckin' come back with some footage and try not to die."

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. EH

      (laughs) And, and then once it became the TV channel, it got, it got crazy, 'cause I mean, I was probably the biggest perpetrator. So like all, in all fairness to Shane, somebody needed to be like, "Eddie, you're burning money crazy."

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. EH

      'Cause I was going to like F1 tracks and, and I literally... The last episode, I went on a F1 track in Abu Dhabi and Shane was there, and he's like, "What are you doing here? You're a fucking food show." And I was like, "Uh, I don't know, I kind of wanted to drive this car."

    13. JR

      (screams) (laughs)

    14. EH

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. EH

      It's like getting caught by your boss, like fucking-

    17. JR

      That's hilarious. We... Oh, here, try Formula 1 food, bro.

    18. EH

      Yeah, yeah, yeah (laughs) -

    19. JR

      Fuckin'-

    20. EH

      ... I was like, "I'm gonna try the concessions."

    21. JR

      Dude, they sent David Choe to the Congo-

    22. EH

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      ... to look for a dinosaur.

    24. EH

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. EH

      Hey, hey, David Choe-

    27. JR

      Have you ever seen that?

    28. EH

      Yeah. That's the best-

    29. JR

      That's the most ridiculous shit of all time.

    30. EH

      It might be the greatest VICE episode ever.

  3. 4:16 – 7:41

    Dubai’s glamour vs exploitation: migrant labor and dark ‘kink economy’ rumors

    1. JR

      You know, I haven't been... I've been to Dubai once. I was there, um, in, uh... There was a UFC in Abu Dhabi, and we did the weigh-ins in Dubai, and that was the only time I've ever been there. But I was like, "Wow, this place is crazy." But everybody I know that goes over there says like, "You can't even believe what you're looking..." "There's no crime." And it's this like massive city.

    2. EH

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      And it's all... Everything's like opulent and beautiful and, and, and people are moving there just 'cause it's an amazing place to live.

    4. EH

      Yeah, but the funny thing is, um, just like, how long is this thing gonna last? Because they're like importing water for like plumbing, you know?

    5. JR

      How are they doing that?

    6. EH

      I mean, I think they're just stealing water from everywhere.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. EH

      Like, we steal... Like, we steal water, you know, but it's like, of course-

    9. JR

      Who owns the water?

    10. EH

      I have no idea.

    11. JR

      That's a-

    12. EH

      I, I didn't look into it, but it's like all the workers are brought in, all the water is brought in, like they don't... It's like in the middle of nowhere in the desert.

    13. JR

      Bro, it's Daniel Day-Lewis.

    14. EH

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    15. JR

      "I drink your milkshake."

    16. EH

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. EH

      But I love Dubai. Like, Dubai was a great time.

    19. JR

      It's beautiful over there.

    20. EH

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      At least the, the s- small amount of it I saw. VICE had a very disturbing, uh, piece about them back in the day too, about the construction.

    22. EH

      Yes, the migrant workers getting crushed.

    23. JR

      (sighs) Like...

    24. EH

      They need to do like a sex worker special in Dubai too 'cause the stories I hear from like the, the people who have gone there for some work-

    25. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    26. EH

      ... like shitting in buckets, dog.

    27. JR

      Oh, Jesus Christ.

    28. EH

      Like shitting, shitting in buckets in Dubai.

    29. JR

      Oh my god.

    30. EH

      I f- I like feel like that would be a good title of a doc.

  4. 7:41 – 18:19

    From gross-out to relationships: the ‘adult human poop’ stories and boundaries

    1. JR

      There's different jobs that suck, but any time you're dealing with human shit, that's like as far on the bad side of the spectrum as is possible. If you are interacting-

    2. EH

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... with other people's shit, like, ooh, that's not a good job.

    4. EH

      Yeah. And human shit is different than like dog shit.

    5. JR

      Oh, way different.

    6. EH

      There's some... Like dog shit, I'm like, "All right." I had to pick up human shit once and I was like, "Bro, this, this is-"

    7. JR

      Smells weird.

    8. EH

      "... this is fucking crazy."

    9. JR

      (laughing)

    10. EH

      It's too close to home, man.

    11. JR

      Bro, our diets are terrible. (laughing)

    12. EH

      It's... Yeah.

    13. JR

      I mean, y- dogs, most of the time, they're just eating dog food. What's interesting about a dog is, if you give a dog something other than what it's accustomed to eating, they get diarrhea.

    14. EH

      Have you ever had to pick up another human's shit?

    15. JR

      Um, other than my kids when they were little. You know, you have to like-

    16. EH

      Yes, true.

    17. JR

      ... clean their diaper and sometimes-

    18. EH

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... there's a mess. Um, no, I don't think so. It's-

    20. EH

      Or-

    21. JR

      It's interesting when it's your child though. When it's a child like, it's like, it doesn't even phase you. It's like it's you. It's like cleaning your own shit.

    22. EH

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      It's, it's really interesting.

    24. EH

      It's-

    25. JR

      It's like, you know-

    26. EH

      (laughing)

    27. JR

      ... if someone was right next to you on an airplane, they were changing a baby diaper, which has happened to me before, you're like, "Yo." (laughing) Like you kinda look away like, "Whoa."

    28. EH

      (laughing)

    29. JR

      The smell and this little baby's asshole is all fucking covered in poop.

    30. EH

      (laughing)

  5. 18:19 – 21:52

    Caffeine, consumer excess, and ‘failing empire’ economics

    1. JR

      Hill Clift. Yeah, it's pretty good.

    2. EH

      You definitely get a little head buzz too.

    3. JR

      Well, it only has, like, uh, CBD. It's not psychoactive.

    4. EH

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      You're just high. You're just high in this room.

    6. EH

      Oh, you think so?

    7. JR

      It's just this room, bro.... in this room, this room has-

    8. EH

      It tastes good.

    9. JR

      ... so much floating around in it. Um, yeah, it's good. We... This is Kill Cliff. We gave, like, um... I think there was, like, seven or eight different samples that we had to go through to get to this.

    10. EH

      Actually, I, I probably got the head buzz from the Black Rifle.

    11. JR

      That's right.

    12. EH

      This thing has-

    13. JR

      That's got a shit ton-

    14. EH

      23 grams of sugar-

    15. JR

      ... of caffeine.

    16. EH

      A lot of caffeine.

    17. JR

      But the caffeine too, i- it's a lot of caffeine. They have those big cans, the big cans are 300 milligrams, which is just nuts. That's a lot.

    18. EH

      I feel like everyone is a three bev person now, like, at all times. Like, it used to just be, like, water, juice, coffee. Now it's like, "Oh, I got this Black Rifle, I got the CB, I got water."

    19. JR

      We're greedy. Our empire is falling.

    20. EH

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      I want coffee, a glass of wine, and a bottle of water. Let's go.

    22. EH

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. EH

      Squeezed juice.

    25. JR

      Whatever I want. I'm gonna be here for a while. I want different things to try.

    26. EH

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      We're, we're, we're a failing empire.

    28. EH

      The empire has definitely failed. Like, if you watch at all levels, like-

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. EH

      ... especially... What's really funny with the, with the fed thing now is that, like, they wanna fight inflation, but then they just threw billions of dollars back into the market. And I'm like, "Inflation's gonna go crazy."

  6. 21:52 – 25:46

    Broken politics and figureheads: reelection cycles, money, and Obama-as-influencer

    1. JR

      I mean, that would be nice, but I- I feel like one of the problems... Excuse me. One of the problems with, um, our system is that we- we're always looking for an, a leader. So this person comes in, they're a president for four years, and then they have to try again, and then they get it for eight years. So, when they come in, they come to the most important job in the world, but they're new, they're noobs.

    2. EH

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      You know? I mean, you've done a lot of different things, right? And y- you could speak to this. Wh- when you first start doing a thing, you, like, kinda gotta figure it out.

    4. EH

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      But if it's the most important job in the world, with international consequences and nuclear war rides on it, and the economy rides on it, and-

    6. EH

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... pandemic response and international relations and a porous border, like, "Ah!" And you just come into the job new?

    8. EH

      Yeah, you just come in. B- bef- as soon as you come in, they're already thinking about reelection.

    9. JR

      Yeah, immediately.

    10. EH

      You... Yeah, they're like, "Hey-"

    11. JR

      You think he'll run in 2024?

    12. EH

      (clears throat) Hmm? Oh, Sleepy Joe?

    13. JR

      No. I mean, that, that's what they say, you know?

    14. EH

      I mean... Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. EH

      Yeah. But, like, yeah, I, I really think the reelecting of people i- we need longer terms, but then also I wouldn't sign up for that until we really get a hold of the, like, the SPAC shit-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. EH

      ... and the, like, gerrymandering, 'cause the whole system's just really broken right now.

    19. JR

      The system's very broken. They, they need to figure out a way to get money out of it, and it's too late, 'cause you can't get money out of it, 'cause money is the whole thing. It's, like, the special interest groups and all the donors. It's like there's so much money moving around. And then when people leave office, they get these fucking cushy speaking gigs. Eddie, get in on some of that money.

    20. EH

      Yeah, Obama trading being the president-

    21. JR

      Ugh.

    22. EH

      ... for being an influencer is the most comedic shit ever.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. EH

      I'm like, "Who the fuck needs your playlist?"

    25. JR

      Right.

    26. EH

      Like, I love, I loved Obama. I, like... I was the first one to print Obama T-shirts and support him. Uh, once he was in office, I didn't, I didn't... I f- I feel like he didn't come through on a lot of the things he promised.

    27. JR

      He didn't come through on a lot of things, but I think Putin spoke to that.

    28. EH

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Putin, Putin spoke to... These guys all have these ideas until they get into office, then the real people who run the country have a conversation with them. He goes, "They come in suits like mine, but with black ties, and they tell them, 'You're not doing anything.'" And I think that's happened to every single president.... except Trump was like- Trump actually, like, fought back against the intelligence agencies, like went to war with them, which is very crazy.

    30. EH

      (laughs) That was crazy.

  7. 25:46 – 30:58

    Living in Taiwan and comparing societies: conservatism, hierarchy, and China’s efficiency

    1. JR

      That's kind of funny.

    2. EH

      ... I choose to live in America. I really prefer this, because since I saw you, I lived for a year in Taiwan during the pandemic.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. EH

      And by the end of my stay there, I was like, "I really, really- I prefer to live in America." And-

    5. JR

      What was the major difference?

    6. EH

      The major difference, to me, was that socially, just the way you interact socially with your lifestyle in Asia, it's significantly more conservative than the West, right?

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. EH

      Like, there's so much more groupthink, there's so much more peer pressure. Everybody rolls in groups and it's just like, you're not really an individual even within the groups. And then people want you to like subscribe to thi- you can't hang out with everybody. You gotta be like part of this group or that group.

    9. JR

      Mm.

    10. EH

      And then-

    11. JR

      So, that's a cultural thing?

    12. EH

      I think it was very cultural, and I also just think the EQ in Asia is very rule-based when it comes to like emotional intelligence.

    13. JR

      Mm.

    14. EH

      Like, we have very, very specific manners, like, "The youngest person is gonna pour tea. Your father eats first." Like, even i- in language, something very simple, which is if- if your mother's mom, you just be like, "That's grandma." In ours, the- the name for your mother's mom is like lǎolǎo, the name for your father's mom is nainai. It's very specific and there's a hierarchy.

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. EH

      Like, your father's mom is higher, your mother's mom is lower.

    17. JR

      Whoa.

    18. EH

      And it's just, to me, I'm like, yo, this is too much critical analysis of like stature, and then your interactions with people are so much based on your standing in society versus theirs.

    19. JR

      Mm.

    20. EH

      And everybody acts in accordance with this kind of like agreed-upon status. It's borderline caste system-y.

    21. JR

      Mm.

    22. EH

      And then when there isn't like racial diversity either there, it's all Asian people, I was just like, "This is a little too cloying for me."

    23. JR

      Mm.

    24. EH

      But when I look at the government, like China as a government out there, and I was living in Taiwan, spent a lot of time in China, my family- my brother still lives in China, but the Chinese government, to me, is much more effective than the American government. Like, if it wants to get something done, China's gonna have it done in 24 hours.

    25. JR

      Mm.

    26. EH

      You know, the building may fall apart, but it'll be done- (laughs)

    27. JR

      (laughs) Mm.

    28. EH

      ... you know? But they can get things done. And then I also think, like, you know, they're not a benevolent country. No country is benevolent. It's all a business, right? They're competing for citizens. But their type of feudalism and like colonialism compared to American colonialism, I think I would prefer if I was the country being shitted on. Like, America will take you over. It will- it will, you know- they'll send the CIA and they'll do all those things we've seen in all the countries. But China, they'll invest and then own you, which also sucks. It's its own poisoning.

    29. JR

      It's pretty clever.

    30. EH

      Yeah, it's clever, and I just think there's always gonna be a new government and a new, better deal. And, like, I think China's the better deal right now for a pla- like a developing continent like Africa or Latin America. You probably get better terms with China.

  8. 30:58 – 38:23

    Social credit fears, COVID controls, and how easily systems can tighten

    1. JR

      Also, they have a grip on people right now that I think we should all be very careful that we don't allow to happen here. And the grip on people is a social credit score system. If they, if they develop a social credit score system in America and digital currency, you're gonna have a real problem. 'Cause the people that are in control of that system are the... gonna be the ones that tell you what to do and they're gonna dictate life how, how... on their own terms and what's beneficial to them and the ruling class, the people that are in control. And that's a scary, twisted thing that could really happen, especially with all these banks collapsing and all those fucking FTX, uh, fucking shenanigans with crypto. That would be very bad.

    2. EH

      Can you expla... I, I actually... I don't think I'm grasping the social... like, you mean, like, rating a social system?

    3. JR

      So, so they talked about connecting it to a vaccine passport, right? There was... that was banded about and people pushed back against that very hard. And the idea would be that if you didn't do this thing, you would not get a passport that would allow you to go places. And you could eventually roll that into a credit cor-... credit score system. And say, I, I go through your tweets and, like, Eddie tweets a lot of bad shit about this. Eddie tweet... I don't like what, what Eddie's feelings are about pharmaceutical drug companies being responsible for the opioid crisis. This makes me uncomfortable that he wants to get really political about, you know, Rand Paul grilling Dr. Fauci about gain-of-function research. Like, who the fu-... who the fuck is this Eddie Huang guy and what is he doing?

    4. EH

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Like, why is he doing that? Give him a strike against his, uh, social credit score system. And then you go to travel, you, like, go to the airport or try to buy a cre-... uh, you know, a ticket online, like, "I'm sorry, you can't buy a ticket. You have a low credit score system."

    6. EH

      Or even getting a job.

    7. JR

      You're getting a credit score in the system. Yeah, or getting a job. I mean, and in some ways we have a version of that now, right? Like, if you're a felon, you can't get a job. That's the worst credit score system that we have. Like, if you were a violent felon-

    8. EH

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... you can't get a job. It's hard. Or you can't own a gun or you can't vote.

    10. EH

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      So we do have a, a version of that now that we reserve for people that we incarcerate.

    12. EH

      It's d-... I mean, it's eventually gonna hap-... but... yeah. And in a way too, it's just you can look at people's social media, and I guess you make your own judgment, but a government-

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. EH

      A government score would be fucking crazy.

    15. JR

      I think it's possible, man. I think that's what China does. And China does have a system set up where if someone's politically active, if they do something, if they're in- involved in some protests or something like that, they'll find themselves in a position where they can't travel.

    16. EH

      It's true.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. EH

      That's the... that's where I think China has to budge, is their crackdowns on society are... it's just too heavy-handed and archaic.

    19. JR

      They're not gonna budge.

    20. EH

      It's, it's like beating your children.

    21. JR

      Nobody budges.

    22. EH

      You know they did.

    23. JR

      Nobody goes backwards.

    24. EH

      But they did budge.

    25. JR

      Really?

    26. EH

      They lifted the COVID shit. Remember when people started protesting?

    27. JR

      Oh, they had to do that. They had to do that, because they were, they were falling apart. Like, what they were trying to do is, uh, like, try zero COVID. Uh, you can't really do that. It's a respiratory virus.

    28. EH

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      They never really contain respiratory viruses. You know, you just... unless you're completely isolated, you're gonna catch it. It's wild how it works. I mean, they're really fascinating viruses. You know, I spent so much time over the last three years thinking about this, how bizarre it is that we live with these little alien life forms that need hosts. They need human hosts in order to survive.

    30. EH

      Yeah.

  9. 38:23 – 48:33

    Education, mentorship, and marijuana legalization: learning vs institutions

    1. EH

      And it just, it, it really, that shit used to piss me off too 'cause it was the most propagandistic thing. But this is what's so funny about the public. Your leaders will say something propagandistic like, "An education is priceless." And you just, you go like, "Oh, yeah." I'm like, "Nah, bro, look it up in US News. The, the price of the education is right there, $20,000, $30,000."

    2. JR

      Ju-

    3. EH

      It's peanuts.

    4. JR

      Yeah. Well, not only that, but w- what are we talking about? We're talking about education toward... Like everybody thinks that e- education means formal education that leads to a job, which is education. But there's also education that's available literally to anybody who wants it. Like you can find out pretty much anything about almost anything if you wanna do the research online or do your searching. Uh, people don't like that term, do the research.

    5. EH

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      Search online. Search online-

    7. EH

      They get mad? We can't say that now?

    8. JR

      Well, because there's like, there's, they're saying it-

    9. EH

      Research is the R word.

    10. JR

      ... in terms like you don't really know (laughs) you don't really know what you're researching. If you're reading scientific papers, you don't understand how to interpret them. You don't understand how to, how to explain that information. And I get what they're saying. But if you, so like, say, if you're in, like if you wanna have a history of metallurgy and sword-making, right, if that's what you're interested in, like you don't have to go to college for that. You can study online the history of metallurgy and sword-making. And there's fucking hours and hours and hours and hours of papers and footage and all this different shit that talks about how people, uh, you know, uh, figured out how to make alloys and wha- when, like how the samurais made their swords.

    11. EH

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Like, you could learn a shitload without going anywhere, which is pretty wild. Like we are so used to it, we don't even consider it as a resource. But if we were living, like it's 2023, if we were just living in 2000, just 2000, 23 years ago, that'd be nuts. Like you can get all this online?

    13. EH

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      You can learn all these things? If it was 20 years before that, impossible. 20 years before that, you had to go to university. So inside of 40 years, 35 years, we've created a completely new world where virtually, if you look at the right places and you search hard enough in your, in your s- studios, you can learn about almost anything.

    15. EH

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Almost anything.

    17. EH

      Yeah. I think it's really... For me, I didn't learn anything in school that I could not learn on my own. But the one function of school that really helped me personally and is different for everyone, there were teachers that believed in me and like just talked to me 'cause I had so many mental, uh, emotional issues from like my home shit. And-

    18. JR

      Yeah. So mentors.

    19. EH

      Mentors.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. EH

      I-

    22. JR

      Mentors are... That's great in every walk of life, I think.

    23. EH

      That's it. All I was, all I needed and all that I got from school was people who fucking believed in me and were like, "You're not garbage."

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. EH

      That's it.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. EH

      And, and it changed my life. But like, would I, would I reli- like would I tell someone, like rely on school? No. Like rely on your brain. Rely on human adaptability.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. EH

      Like use experience.

    30. JR

      School too, though. You know, school's an amazing resource. The f- if you can go to school, going to school will be great for you in multiple ways. First of all, it'll be great for you because you're around a bunch of people that are also going to school. And they're all people your age, and they're all experiencing this weirdness of graduating from high school. And you're like, "Wow, this is nuts." Like, "And what, what do we wanna do? I don't know what to do." And then you get to talk to people. Oftentimes, some of the best lessons are from very bitter older people.... you get-

  10. 48:33 – 1:06:21

    Psychedelics, responsibility, and performance drugs: from shrooms to Adderall

    1. EH

      Yeah. Weed and mushrooms, like, as long as the mushrooms is dosed, cool.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. EH

      Like, who's gonna... Like, it's v- it's kinda hard to hurt yourself on mushrooms.

    4. JR

      (lips smacking) Y- well, actually, I don't know about that. I mean, if you really went hard.

    5. EH

      You could go crazy with, like-

    6. JR

      You could go crazy. You could go... Well, someone will. That golf club in the asshole guy, that guy's gonna go hard.

    7. EH

      He, yeah, someone, someone (laughs) in Florida is gonna die-

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. EH

      ... on mushrooms, but, like, that's because they're from Florida.

    10. JR

      They're gonna get eaten by a snake.

    11. EH

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      They're gonna go to the snake, they're gonna try to talk to the snake, and the snake's gonna wrap its fucking body around them and crush them.

    13. EH

      So would you legalize shroom... I would still legalize shrooms-

    14. JR

      Yes.

    15. EH

      ... and just, like, dose the shit and be like, "Don't go crazy. If you go crazy-"

    16. JR

      Frying pans are legal too. You can cook on them or you could just slam yourself in the face if you're fucking nuts.

    17. EH

      (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

    18. JR

      Like, all, all things, we can't make everything safe. It's not, everything isn't safe.

    19. EH

      And gas stoves are gonna kill us.

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. EH

      That shit's crazy.

    22. JR

      Yeah. Boxing's not safe. You like boxing, right?

    23. EH

      I love boxing.

    24. JR

      Jiu-jitsu's not safe.

    25. EH

      No.

    26. JR

      Uh, driving a car is not safe. I mean, it's safe, but it's not completely safe.

    27. EH

      So I, I think weed and shrooms, I'm like, legalize. Legalize fully.

    28. JR

      Well, here's the other option. You have grown adults that tell other grown adults they can't have an experience that's been very beneficial to those grown adults. There's grown adults that have taken it that have gotten over cigarettes, that have, they, they've gotten over PTSD, they've changed their perspective on life, it's, uh, highly, highly beneficial. And then there's other people that haven't experienced it at all, and they want to maintain this power over these substances and tell you that if you do it or if you sell it or if you have it, they'll put you in jail. It doesn't make any sense.

    29. EH

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      It's dumb.

  11. 1:06:21 – 1:10:52

    AI anxiety: deepfakes, bias, and whether machines can replace artists (and people)

    1. JR

      ... and it's... Here's the thing about artificial intelligence. This is one of the things that's most disturbing about things like ChatGPT, that it has very specific things that it won't discuss or talk about-... it's not like it's apolitical. It's very political. Like, it has, it's, it leans towards certain, uh, b- political ideas. It doesn't, it's not looking at just information objectively. Like, it has a, a very defined narrative for some people and some events and some things. They go, "Ooh, this like..." Who says this is true? Like, who says that's what that means? Like, you guys are saying that? Like, uh, uh, this is up for debate, like there's a lot going on with this. Like, it, uh- uh, it won't criticize certain people. Uh, you ask it to criticize certain people, it won't do it. But if you ask it to criticize Donald Trump, they'll, they'll go ham. You know? (swallows) It's-

    2. EH

      It's crazy.

    3. JR

      ... well, this is Joe Biden-

    4. EH

      Oh.

    5. JR

      ... and Jeffrey Epstein.

    6. EH

      Epstein.

    7. JR

      Is that real, though?

    8. NA

      No, no. I made it.

    9. JR

      Oh, you just made it? Oh, I was like, "Jesus Christ."

    10. EH

      (clears throat)

    11. JR

      Joe Biden looks so fake.

    12. NA

      You can make f-

    13. JR

      ... weird pictures like that.

    14. EH

      He kind of looks like Bill Clinton there almost.

    15. JR

      Yeah, that looks like a fake Joe Biden. If th- if I saw that Joe Biden, I'd be like, "That one's... That's a fake one."

    16. NA

      Here's Bill Clinton DJing.

    17. EH

      Oh, you... Oh, wow.

    18. JR

      That's amazing.

    19. EH

      That's a good set.

    20. JR

      That's what he should be doing.

    21. EH

      Yeah. Fuck.

    22. JR

      Yeah, I just wanna party.

    23. NA

      He should be partying.

    24. JR

      He's old too.

    25. EH

      That's what Obama, Obama's doing, you know?

    26. JR

      Well, yeah.

    27. EH

      Like, influencing.

    28. JR

      Yeah. Poor Bill.

    29. NA

      But you can make pics... You can b- start making everything, like that happen. Exactly what you're saying, though.

    30. JR

      Hm.

  12. 1:10:52 – 2:04:43

    Meaning, purpose, and modern life: curiosity, fear, and the proxy problem

    1. EH

      It's the m- it's the funniest shit I've ever seen. Like, if you d- can just get your head 10,000 feet up, you... It goes back to our conversation. It's like, wait, maybe what we need is more fear and insecurity 'cause it made people purposeful. You know what I mean? Because, you know-

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. EH

      ... if you don't have fear and insecurity or a need to survive or, say, a genuine curiosity, which is a hard place to get to, then what do you have? Vanity, lust, you know-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. EH

      ... procrastination? I don't know.

    6. JR

      Yeah, that's, that's what Sebastian Junger said too, and he was... Uh, Peter Attia was on yesterday, and he was quoting Sebastian Junger, where, where, I guess one of his books, he talks about this thing that men are having now. The real problem with many men is that they, they don't experience real fear or danger in their life, and that is a very unusual thing, and it's never existed before. And it gives us... We lose a sense of purpose. We, we, we fall apart. We develop, uh, anxiety, m- many, many people do, I think, because humans need, like, a certain amount of adversity to keep your body balanced and your mind balanced. And, um, in the ab-... This is one of the reasons why I love martial arts, 'cause in the absence of something horrible, like war, martial arts at least gives you adversity on a daily basis. It gives you something to test your character on a daily basis, which I think, like, for men, is al- almost like a built-in thing that we need.

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