Joe Rogan Experience #1962 - Eddie Huang

Eddie Huang 0:00 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Joe Rogan 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Narrator 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays)

Joe Rogan 0:12 Hello.

Eddie Huang 0:13 What up, man?

Joe Rogan 0:13 Good to see you, my friend. What's cracking?

Eddie Huang 0:15 Been forever. I feel-

Joe Rogan 0:16 I know.

Eddie Huang 0:17 ... 2017 I think was the last time.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Well, I have to go back and check. But was the last time that I saw you on the podcast, that the last time I saw you?

Eddie Huang 0:25 I think it was. We came with like, uh, like a voting expert before the election.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Mm.

Eddie Huang 0:31 Like it might have been like 2017.

Joe Rogan 0:33 That's right.

Eddie Huang 0:34 I think... 'Cause we did hot yoga then I came-

Joe Rogan 0:37 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 0:37 ... back on the show.

Joe Rogan 0:38 We did hot yoga for your show.

Eddie Huang 0:39 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:39 That was fun.

Eddie Huang 0:40 Yeah. That was dope.

Joe Rogan 0:41 That was fun. That was fun.

Eddie Huang 0:43 Then VICE ran outta money and, uh, you know, couldn't do the show anymore.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Well, somebody got money. Didn't J- Shane Smith make-

Eddie Huang 0:50 Shane's the man.

Joe Rogan 0:50 ... make a fuckin' ton of loot?

Eddie Huang 0:52 Shane's the man.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Yeah, I love that dude.

Eddie Huang 0:53 I still talk to Shane, but, um, no, it was... I think the end of Wong's World was just, they were like, "Yo, we still wanna do Wong's World, but can we make it domestic?" And I wanted to do films and I was just like-

Joe Rogan 1:04 Mm.

Eddie Huang 1:04 ... "Love you. Let, I'ma go, I'ma go make this film."

Joe Rogan 1:07 So they wanted to do it in the United States because of, uh, travel costs?

Eddie Huang 1:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:12 And, and just 'cause VICE land, the first couple years, it was just the, the accounting was off-

Joe Rogan 1:18 Ah.

Eddie Huang 1:19 ... on, on... Uh, people were just spending money crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Bro, it started out, they would take these guys with glasses on, these nerds, and send them over to like the middle of a goddamn war zone. These dudes would be filmin' with a flak jacket on-

Eddie Huang 1:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31 ... and bombs are blowin' off in the Middle East, and they're just reporting there. You're like, "Whoa, VICE is wild."

Eddie Huang 1:36 Yeah. It was the best 'cause it would... VICE would just pick the most dangerous shit-

Joe Rogan 1:40 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 1:40 ... and be like, "Here's $30,000. Go with a, like, you know, 5D camera."

Joe Rogan 1:46 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:46 "And fuckin' come back with some footage and try not to die."

Joe Rogan 1:49 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 1:50 (laughs) And, and then once it became the TV channel, it got, it got crazy, 'cause I mean, I was probably the biggest perpetrator. So like all, in all fairness to Shane, somebody needed to be like, "Eddie, you're burning money crazy."

Joe Rogan 2:02 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 2:02 'Cause I was going to like F1 tracks and, and I literally... The last episode, I went on a F1 track in Abu Dhabi and Shane was there, and he's like, "What are you doing here? You're a fucking food show." And I was like, "Uh, I don't know, I kind of wanted to drive this car."

Joe Rogan 2:16 (screams) (laughs)

Eddie Huang 2:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:18 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 2:18 It's like getting caught by your boss, like fucking-

Joe Rogan 2:21 That's hilarious. We... Oh, here, try Formula 1 food, bro.

Eddie Huang 2:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 2:24 Fuckin'-

Eddie Huang 2:24 ... I was like, "I'm gonna try the concessions."

Joe Rogan 2:26 Dude, they sent David Choe to the Congo-

Eddie Huang 2:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:29 ... to look for a dinosaur.

Eddie Huang 2:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:33 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 2:33 Hey, hey, David Choe-

Joe Rogan 2:33 Have you ever seen that?

Eddie Huang 2:34 Yeah. That's the best-

Joe Rogan 2:35 That's the most ridiculous shit of all time.

Eddie Huang 2:37 It might be the greatest VICE episode ever.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Bro, it's an amazing episode.

Eddie Huang 2:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:41 That and, uh, Heimo's Arctic Adventure, that's my favorite one. That's the m- the one about that dude who lives in Alaska, he's subsistence survives in this very small cabin.

Eddie Huang 2:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:50 He's the last person that's allowed to own this cabin in this wilderness.

Eddie Huang 2:54 I haven't seen it.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Whoo, that one's heavy. That's heavy.

Eddie Huang 2:58 But that, that's the... The Choe episode's the best 'cause there's so many people now, especially in LA, that are like, "For a honeymoon or, like, for the holidays, I'm gonna go to the Congo. I wanna, I wanna go to West Africa." And I'm just like, "Bro, go... Watch that episode real quick."

Joe Rogan 3:12 Yeah, watch that episode.

Eddie Huang 3:12 That's not where you're staying, but it's close to where you, you trying to go.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 3:16 Like check, check that episode out.

Joe Rogan 3:17 You're in the middle of a conflict zone. It's very dangerous being down there.

Eddie Huang 3:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:21 You know? Uh, it's just poof, and probably no dinosaurs. (laughs)

Eddie Huang 3:27 No, no, there's probably no dinosaurs. I wanna go to Ethiopia, but I'm not going with Choe.

Joe Rogan 3:31 (sighs)

Eddie Huang 3:31 Wherever Choe went, I'm like, "I'm not going there." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:33 David's a wild man. He went when he, he camped with the Hadza. He stayed with the Hadza and went hunting with them.

Eddie Huang 3:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:40 He was saying that when they shot, they, they were shooting baboons to eat.

Eddie Huang 3:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:44 And he said it's crazy, when they shoot a baboon, it grabs the arrow. I'm like, "You see it grab the arrow, you're like-"

Eddie Huang 3:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:50 "... yo, that's a little too weird," you know?

Eddie Huang 3:53 Choe was really putting himself in danger.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Oh, yeah.

Eddie Huang 3:56 I was like, I was more like the Vanderpump Choe.

Joe Rogan 4:00 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 4:00 You know what I mean? I was like, "Let's have a nice fucking"-

Joe Rogan 4:02 Four wheel ride in Abu Dhabi.

Eddie Huang 4:03 ... "Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's live it up."

Joe Rogan 4:05 Beautiful people, beautiful land, you know.

Eddie Huang 4:07 Yeah, "Let's see-"

Joe Rogan 4:08 "Have a good time." (laughs)

Eddie Huang 4:08 "... see some fucking people here, have a good time, stay in a nice hotel."

Joe Rogan 4:12 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 4:13 I chose like the opposite of conflict zones.

Joe Rogan 4:16 You know, I haven't been... I've been to Dubai once. I was there, um, in, uh... There was a UFC in Abu Dhabi, and we did the weigh-ins in Dubai, and that was the only time I've ever been there. But I was like, "Wow, this place is crazy." But everybody I know that goes over there says like, "You can't even believe what you're looking..." "There's no crime." And it's this like massive city.

Eddie Huang 4:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:36 And it's all... Everything's like opulent and beautiful and, and, and people are moving there just 'cause it's an amazing place to live.

Eddie Huang 4:43 Yeah, but the funny thing is, um, just like, how long is this thing gonna last? Because they're like importing water for like plumbing, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:52 How are they doing that?

Eddie Huang 4:54 I mean, I think they're just stealing water from everywhere.

Joe Rogan 4:56 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 4:56 Like, we steal... Like, we steal water, you know, but it's like, of course-

Joe Rogan 4:58 Who owns the water?

Eddie Huang 5:00 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 5:01 That's a-

Eddie Huang 5:02 I, I didn't look into it, but it's like all the workers are brought in, all the water is brought in, like they don't... It's like in the middle of nowhere in the desert.

Joe Rogan 5:09 Bro, it's Daniel Day-Lewis.

Eddie Huang 5:10 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:10 "I drink your milkshake."

Eddie Huang 5:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:14 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 5:14 But I love Dubai. Like, Dubai was a great time.

Joe Rogan 5:17 It's beautiful over there.

Eddie Huang 5:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:19 At least the, the s- small amount of it I saw. VICE had a very disturbing, uh, piece about them back in the day too, about the construction.

Eddie Huang 5:27 Yes, the migrant workers getting crushed.

Joe Rogan 5:29 (sighs) Like...

Eddie Huang 5:30 They need to do like a sex worker special in Dubai too 'cause the stories I hear from like the, the people who have gone there for some work-

Joe Rogan 5:38 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 5:38 ... like shitting in buckets, dog.

Joe Rogan 5:41 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Eddie Huang 5:42 Like shitting, shitting in buckets in Dubai.

Joe Rogan 5:44 Oh my god.

Eddie Huang 5:45 I f- I like feel like that would be a good title of a doc.

Joe Rogan 5:48 Shitting in Buckets?

Eddie Huang 5:49 Shitting in Buckets in Dubai.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Oh.

Eddie Huang 5:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:52 (sighs) That's what's so fascinating about people that there's people that are living at the, like the top of luxury, at the same time, people are living-... on dirt floors with no electricity in a shack that they built out of scraps, just trying to figure out how to eat that day. And that there's more of those people than there are the people living in luxury. But if you look at any kind of like billboards and advertisement, depicts- depictments of life, it's almost always the luxury one. It's always this, the person like with the fucking fantastic view of the ocean behind them when they're eating their breakfast at some luxury five-star resort. (humming) Like that's what people look towards.

Eddie Huang 6:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:36 But it's all existing simultaneously. (clearing)

Eddie Huang 6:38 And then the guy that's actually living the luxurious life, not the actor on the billboard, he's like paying an escort to shit in a bucket and then fucking eat it with a caviar spoon.

Joe Rogan 6:47 Oh my God.

Eddie Huang 6:47 Like-

Joe Rogan 6:48 No.

Eddie Huang 6:48 Yeah, bro. That's what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 6:50 Oh my God. I thought they didn't have bathrooms.

Eddie Huang 6:52 No.

Joe Rogan 6:53 I didn't understand you were saying-

Eddie Huang 6:54 No, no, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 6:54 ... shit in a bucket, 'cause that's a kink.

Eddie Huang 6:56 Yeah, like put your fucking clear heels on and shit in his bucket.

Joe Rogan 7:01 (sighing)

Eddie Huang 7:01 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 7:01 (laughing) Bro.

Eddie Huang 7:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 How much does a girl get paid for something like that?

Narrator 7:06 (exhaling)

Joe Rogan 7:06 Jamie just made a noise. (laughing)

Eddie Huang 7:09 Uh, I'm, I'm gonna plead ignorance.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Aah!

Eddie Huang 7:13 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 7:13 Yeah, out of all the acts that you would have someone do, imagine like that's your thing.

Eddie Huang 7:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:19 I would really like to watch you take a shit in a bucket. Really?

Eddie Huang 7:23 Yeah. Yeah. Just like-

Joe Rogan 7:24 Wi-

Eddie Huang 7:24 ... "Let's see what you had for lunch."

Joe Rogan 7:26 Oh, God.

Eddie Huang 7:27 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 7:28 Oh.

Eddie Huang 7:28 Is that Terry Black's-

Joe Rogan 7:29 Oh.

Eddie Huang 7:29 ... barbecue in there?

Joe Rogan 7:30 God.

Eddie Huang 7:30 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 7:30 Jesus Christ.

Eddie Huang 7:33 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 7:34 Jesus Christ. Oof.

Eddie Huang 7:35 It just goes all the way around, man. You get to the top, you get rich-

Joe Rogan 7:38 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 7:38 ... and then I think you just wanna eat like, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 7:41 There's different jobs that suck, but any time you're dealing with human shit, that's like as far on the bad side of the spectrum as is possible. If you are interacting-

Eddie Huang 7:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:52 ... with other people's shit, like, ooh, that's not a good job.

Eddie Huang 7:55 Yeah. And human shit is different than like dog shit.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Oh, way different.

Eddie Huang 7:57 There's some... Like dog shit, I'm like, "All right." I had to pick up human shit once and I was like, "Bro, this, this is-"

Joe Rogan 8:04 Smells weird.

Eddie Huang 8:04 "... this is fucking crazy."

Joe Rogan 8:06 (laughing)

Eddie Huang 8:06 It's too close to home, man.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Bro, our diets are terrible. (laughing)

Eddie Huang 8:10 It's... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:11 I mean, y- dogs, most of the time, they're just eating dog food. What's interesting about a dog is, if you give a dog something other than what it's accustomed to eating, they get diarrhea.

Eddie Huang 8:20 Have you ever had to pick up another human's shit?

Joe Rogan 8:24 Um, other than my kids when they were little. You know, you have to like-

Eddie Huang 8:28 Yes, true.

Joe Rogan 8:28 ... clean their diaper and sometimes-

Eddie Huang 8:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:29 ... there's a mess. Um, no, I don't think so. It's-

Eddie Huang 8:33 Or-

Joe Rogan 8:33 It's interesting when it's your child though. When it's a child like, it's like, it doesn't even phase you. It's like it's you. It's like cleaning your own shit.

Eddie Huang 8:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:40 It's, it's really interesting.

Eddie Huang 8:41 It's-

Joe Rogan 8:42 It's like, you know-

Eddie Huang 8:43 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 8:43 ... if someone was right next to you on an airplane, they were changing a baby diaper, which has happened to me before, you're like, "Yo." (laughing) Like you kinda look away like, "Whoa."

Eddie Huang 8:51 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 8:52 The smell and this little baby's asshole is all fucking covered in poop.

Eddie Huang 8:56 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 8:57 You know, it's just like, "Okay." But what are you gonna do? Like she... I get it. She gotta, she gotta change. But if it's your kid, it's weird. It's like it doesn't seem even like, like, you know, when you take a shit... It's very rare that I take a shit and I'm like, "Jesus Christ, let me get out of here. Like what the fuck is that smell?" Like maybe once every three or four months.

Eddie Huang 9:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:13 Most of the time I take a shit, it's normal. I just flush it, it's normal. That's what it's like when it's a kid's shit. It's like it's, doesn't even, it's not even gross.

Eddie Huang 9:20 I think I'm once a month stinky. Like when I'm-

Joe Rogan 9:22 (laughing)

Eddie Huang 9:23 ... once a month, I'm like, "Mm."

Joe Rogan 9:25 Yeah, once a month.

Eddie Huang 9:25 "Mm, don't try that recipe again."

Joe Rogan 9:27 It's usually-

Eddie Huang 9:28 You know?

Joe Rogan 9:28 ... when I feel like a rumble before I know I have to take a shit like, "Oh Jesus, what is that? Okay, I better get in there." And then when you get in there, just whoa! And whatever that rumble is, is probably some gases that have been, uh, stewing up inside of your bowels.

Eddie Huang 9:43 No, I, I knew I really-

Joe Rogan 9:45 Blegh.

Eddie Huang 9:45 ... love my wife 'cause one day I had to pick up her shit and I was like-

Joe Rogan 9:47 Whoa.

Eddie Huang 9:47 ... "Bro, picking up adult, adult human shit is fucking cr..." Like babies, I get it.

Joe Rogan 9:53 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 9:54 Babies, you, you expect it. I think a lot of your reactions in life, it's about expectation. Like if you're expecting to be punched in the face, it doesn't... Like you're not gonna get knocked out. People always say that.

Joe Rogan 10:04 Yes, that's true. Yeah.

Eddie Huang 10:04 You see it coming, you won't get knocked out.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Well, sometimes you still get knocked out.

Eddie Huang 10:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:09 Depends on how hard somebody hits you. Like if Francis Ngannou hits you in the face, even if you're working out-

Eddie Huang 10:12 Yeah, I would be knocked out.

Joe Rogan 10:14 ... most of us are getting knocked ... Most people are-

Eddie Huang 10:15 For sure.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Almost everybody.

Eddie Huang 10:17 For sure.

Joe Rogan 10:17 If he really hits you.

Eddie Huang 10:18 But I think if it's somebody that's like on his level and sees it coming and in a fight with him, I feel like maybe.

Joe Rogan 10:26 May- probably not. But the point is that if you don't see it, it's amazing what knocks you out.

Eddie Huang 10:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Like a lot of things knock you out.

Eddie Huang 10:32 It could be light.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah. It's not... It just has to hit you clean.

Eddie Huang 10:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:36 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 10:36 That's what happ-... My girl had like a crazy food poisoning moment and then she was like, "Yo, Eddie, come downstairs." I was like, "What? What?" And she's like, "I shit on the floor." (laughing)

Joe Rogan 10:50 (laughing)

Eddie Huang 10:51 And it turned out like-

Joe Rogan 10:52 Oh.

Eddie Huang 10:52 ... I can't tell the whole story 'cause she's gotta tell it one day. Like-

Joe Rogan 10:55 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 10:56 But like, it turned out it wasn't food poisoning. She had a much more serious like health condition-

Joe Rogan 11:01 Oh.

Eddie Huang 11:01 ... situation. But like, I turned when she's like, "I shit on the floor." And I saw like a little Hershey kiss. I'm like, "All right. I... Like, it's still weird you didn't make it to the bathroom, but like that's not bad."

Joe Rogan 11:13 If you love her, it's a good test.

Eddie Huang 11:15 Yeah. I, I picked it up.

Joe Rogan 11:16 It's like whatever.

Eddie Huang 11:17 I picked it up.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Whatever.

Eddie Huang 11:18 You know?

Joe Rogan 11:18 We're just people.

Eddie Huang 11:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:19 If you gotta do it every day, get tiresome though.

Eddie Huang 11:21 No.

Joe Rogan 11:21 If she's just ... If she started testing your boundaries, Amber Heard style.

Eddie Huang 11:24 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Start shitting in your bed.

Eddie Huang 11:26 Ugh. Ugh.

Joe Rogan 11:27 (laughing)

Eddie Huang 11:27 And then they also did something with Taco Bell. There was something like-

Joe Rogan 11:30 (laughing)

Eddie Huang 11:30 ... about Amber Heard and Taco Bell and I can't remember-

Joe Rogan 11:32 Bro, that's a ... I guarantee you that's a-

Eddie Huang 11:34 What the fuck did they do?

Joe Rogan 11:34 ... boundary testing maneuver. If I had to guess, you know, I would guess.

Eddie Huang 11:39 See, that's what I thought at first too. I was like, "Yo, you're testing me." This is- (laughing)

Joe Rogan 11:43 You doing those things. But it wasn't. No.

Eddie Huang 11:45 I pick up this Hershey kiss and then I'm like, "All right, that's not bad. I'll do it. I'm just gonna play along." You got food poisoning. I turn and there is a giant pile of shit in my like pajama pants. These Redskins pajama pants. And I was like, "Aah!"

Joe Rogan 11:58 Dude.

Eddie Huang 11:58 I just like jumped and screamed like, "What's going..." She's like, "I told you I shit on the floor." She's like, "Aren't you glad I shit in the pajama pants instead of the floor?" And I was like, "Yeah." And then I like wrapped it like lotus leaf sticky rice and just ran to the garbage can. (laughing)

Joe Rogan 12:11 You didn't wash it out?

Eddie Huang 12:12 No. Oh, then I-

Joe Rogan 12:13 Those are your favorite pajamas?

Eddie Huang 12:14 No, no, no. The pajamas gotta go.

Joe Rogan 12:16 They're gone?

Eddie Huang 12:16 Once your girl takes a shit in your pants, they gotta go.

Joe Rogan 12:19 No, no, no. You're supposed to clean them and go, "Hey, babe, remember these?"

Eddie Huang 12:21 Yeah. (laughing) (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:23 Yeah, these are my favorites.

Eddie Huang 12:26 (laughs) It's horny time.

Joe Rogan 12:26 You shit all over them. (laughs)

Eddie Huang 12:27 It's, it's horny time. (laughs) Let's get horny.

Joe Rogan 12:31 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 12:32 I was mad at her at first, then I found out girls are getting paid 60 Gs to go shit in a bucket in Dubai. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 12:38 60 Gs?

Eddie Huang 12:38 I was like, "Dude, I-"

Joe Rogan 12:39 You just dropped the number. We were wondering.

Eddie Huang 12:41 I was like, "I, I just threw away a $60,000 value here."

Joe Rogan 12:44 Yeah, I don't know. I think they have to be there when it happens.

Eddie Huang 12:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:47 I think after the fact, it's like, you know...

Eddie Huang 12:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:50 It's not as valuable at all.

Eddie Huang 12:50 We didn't enjoy it.

Joe Rogan 12:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta also probably part of the kink is that you're asking for it and then they do it.

Eddie Huang 12:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:58 That's probably part of the kink. It's not that you just, like, randomly saw someone take a shit.

Eddie Huang 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 You, just, like, you ask them to do it and then they're, "All right." And they don't even wanna do it, but they do it for you 'cause they want the money.

Eddie Huang 13:08 It's not isolated either.

Joe Rogan 13:10 Weird.

Eddie Huang 13:10 Like I know multiple people that know multiple people that have been paid to take shits. And my brother was telling me once, like, there's dudes that are like, "You're gonna eat this specific shit, then you're gonna shit this."

Joe Rogan 13:20 Oh, my God.

Eddie Huang 13:21 And I'm like, "Wait, this is, like, a three-day process."

Joe Rogan 13:24 So it's like broccoli, I want broccoli, chicken-

Eddie Huang 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 (laughs) I want... (laughs)

Eddie Huang 13:28 (laughs) Yeah. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 13:30 Apples.

Eddie Huang 13:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:32 Blueberries.

Eddie Huang 13:33 I might go with a McDonald's apple pie.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Oh, my God. But that's probably part of the power trip of it, right? Like, paying someone to eat a specific diet and then seeing it come out of their butt.

Eddie Huang 13:41 Yo.

Joe Rogan 13:42 What the hell, man?

Eddie Huang 13:43 We gotta find one of those guys-

Joe Rogan 13:45 What is wrong with people?

Eddie Huang 13:45 ... that come on the show 'cause I need to get in that person's head and be like, "What is in here?"

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah, not good. Nothing's good. I bet-

Eddie Huang 13:51 No.

Joe Rogan 13:51 I guarantee that person has a job they hate.

Eddie Huang 13:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:54 They have a job they hate and they probably slave away and they're probably on Adderall and, and then they, they probably make tons of money. Like, if you were worth a billion dollars and you could pay someone 60 grand just to shit in a bucket, like, you do any... It's like, it's a live version of the internet. It's like if someone sent you a live leak video of some lady shitting in a bucket, you'd be like, "Dude, why are you sending me this?"

Eddie Huang 14:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:16 They're, they're like... Right? Don't you get those? Yeah.

Eddie Huang 14:21 I mean, I haven't gotten it, but I know what you're talking about, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:23 Bro, I've been sending people this one... We're gonna watch this together.

Eddie Huang 14:26 Let's watch it. I've been sending people this one of this dude, uh, whacking this guy in the, uh, this lady whacking this dude in the nuts with a golf club. Have you seen it? He's a big fat guy. Hold on a second, please. You're gonna freak. This is a rough one. This one's rough. It's, it's so ridiculous. You're like, "What is, why would you do, what are you doing, man? You're gonna die." That's how bad it is. Hold on. Why is it when Instagram opens up sometimes it wants to take you to a blank page? Did you find it already?

Narrator 14:57 No, I tried.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Here, I got you. All right, I just texted it to you. This one's so ridiculous. Now, you would think if you're some, uh, sheik in Dubai, you know, some rich dude in Saudi Arabia-

Narrator 15:11 I discovered himself, I just found his YouTube channel.

Eddie Huang 15:12 What sorry?

Narrator 15:13 He sent it to me. This guy likes to hurt himself.

Joe Rogan 15:15 Oh, yeah, he hurts himself.

Eddie Huang 15:16 Oh.

Narrator 15:18 Give me some volume.

Eddie Huang 15:19 I feel like I've seen this guy.

Joe Rogan 15:19 Give me some volume and, uh, redo it.

Eddie Huang 15:22 Great. He has good tat. He got the Gucci Mane ice cream-

Joe Rogan 15:25 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 15:25 ... face tattoo.

Narrator 15:27 You know what day it is on the Swinging the Sticks. Sunday morning, it's a 4:20 special here in Detroit, Michigan. And I'm about ready to get my balls blasted in by this dick right here behind me with a golf club. So let's get it on. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:41 Watch this.

Eddie Huang 15:42 Oh, my God. Oh. That is the worst angle too. Like, he could've done it a lot of different ways. He, like, really put his nuts on a platter.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Bro, he might lose a nut from that. Like, this guy's crazy.

Eddie Huang 16:01 He's lost his nuts.

Joe Rogan 16:01 He's got no teeth. He literally has, like, four teeth on each side of his face.

Eddie Huang 16:06 I don't... Whoa.

Joe Rogan 16:07 Oh, my God.

Eddie Huang 16:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Oh.

Eddie Huang 16:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Wow. What is that dude's name? Give that dude credit.

Eddie Huang 16:15 Yeah. What brand are the boxer briefs?

Narrator 16:17 I'm Gucciberry.

Eddie Huang 16:17 It looks like Ethika.

Joe Rogan 16:19 And he's Gucciberry, that's his name?

Eddie Huang 16:20 I'm Gucciberry.

Joe Rogan 16:23 I'm Gucciberry. God bless you.

Eddie Huang 16:24 He's got, like, the Highlander boxer briefs too.

Joe Rogan 16:27 God bless you.

Narrator 16:27 Colon crusher.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Look, colon crusher. He's got a tattoo of himself on himself-

Eddie Huang 16:32 That's wild.

Narrator 16:32 His belly button is a hole.

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... that says colon crusher and his belly button is his asshole. So I guess he gets just whacked in the asshole all the time.

Eddie Huang 16:38 I-

Joe Rogan 16:39 That's his move.

Eddie Huang 16:39 I like that every-

Joe Rogan 16:40 Go to his page.

Eddie Huang 16:40 Every few years there's, like, a new insane fat man. Like, he replaced the sausage castle guy.

Narrator 16:45 Stands out as the clear... Oh, this guy.

Eddie Huang 16:47 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 16:47 No, go back to, uh, his, uh-

Narrator 16:49 His page.

Joe Rogan 16:49 Go to his, uh, Instagram page. Let's just, like... (laughs)

Eddie Huang 16:52 Wait, wait. There is a link there that said, "This guy's obsessed with hurting his genitals." (laughs)

Narrator 16:56 Yeah, that's how, that's how I found him at the same time.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Oh, my God.

Eddie Huang 17:01 Wait, hold it. He gets laid for the first time in 15 years too.

Narrator 17:04 Well, he's doing okay.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Mm. Well, how many does he, uh, followers does he have?

Narrator 17:09 43,000.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Oh, look at him. He's getting hit with a golf club and he's getting laid. And he's eating pizza with no teeth.

Eddie Huang 17:17 If someone told me-

Joe Rogan 17:18 They're out there. People are out there. Oh, my God. Is he gonna get hurt?

Narrator 17:21 Oh, is he in-

Eddie Huang 17:23 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, my God.

Narrator 17:26 That's fake. It's fake video.

Joe Rogan 17:27 Okay.

Narrator 17:28 Oh, fake video, fake video.

Joe Rogan 17:30 Okay, okay, okay.

Eddie Huang 17:32 You need that guy on.

Joe Rogan 17:33 No, I don't.

Eddie Huang 17:34 We gotta get in his head.

Joe Rogan 17:35 No, no, no, I don't need anything.

Eddie Huang 17:36 (laughs)

Narrator 17:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:36 You're my last guest. You're done.

Eddie Huang 17:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:38 I quit.

Eddie Huang 17:39 I wanna see him work out in the gym. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:41 Oh, no you don't.

Eddie Huang 17:42 Or you could put him-

Joe Rogan 17:43 I'm gonna drop this kettlebell on my dick hole.

Eddie Huang 17:46 Put him into archery shit-

Joe Rogan 17:48 Ah.

Eddie Huang 17:48 ... and then see if you can hit his nuts from, like, 500 feet away.

Joe Rogan 17:52 Mm. I don't think he can do that. Oh, what is he doing?

Eddie Huang 17:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 17:55 A rock.

Narrator 17:56 He split it. He split a- split a log on his nuts.

Joe Rogan 17:59 Oh, Jesus. Don't show me this.

Eddie Huang 18:00 This is crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:01 How is this guy not, like, losing a nut? I know multiple guys who've lost nuts from, uh, kickboxing.

Eddie Huang 18:08 Yeah, I mean, there was always a kid in every school that's, like, he lost his nut.

Joe Rogan 18:11 I know two dudes who, uh, got kicked in the balls and it ruptured their nut.

Eddie Huang 18:16 This is, this is good.

Joe Rogan 18:17 It's good, right?

Eddie Huang 18:18 This is good.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Hill Clift. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Eddie Huang 18:19 You definitely get a little head buzz too.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Well, it only has, like, uh, CBD. It's not psychoactive.

Eddie Huang 18:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:25 You're just high. You're just high in this room.

Eddie Huang 18:26 Oh, you think so?

Joe Rogan 18:26 It's just this room, bro.... in this room, this room has-

Eddie Huang 18:29 It tastes good.

Joe Rogan 18:30 ... so much floating around in it. Um, yeah, it's good. We... This is Kill Cliff. We gave, like, um... I think there was, like, seven or eight different samples that we had to go through to get to this.

Eddie Huang 18:40 Actually, I, I probably got the head buzz from the Black Rifle.

Joe Rogan 18:43 That's right.

Eddie Huang 18:44 This thing has-

Joe Rogan 18:45 That's got a shit ton-

Eddie Huang 18:47 23 grams of sugar-

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... of caffeine.

Eddie Huang 18:50 A lot of caffeine.

Joe Rogan 18:50 But the caffeine too, i- it's a lot of caffeine. They have those big cans, the big cans are 300 milligrams, which is just nuts. That's a lot.

Eddie Huang 18:58 I feel like everyone is a three bev person now, like, at all times. Like, it used to just be, like, water, juice, coffee. Now it's like, "Oh, I got this Black Rifle, I got the CB, I got water."

Joe Rogan 19:07 We're greedy. Our empire is falling.

Eddie Huang 19:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:09 I want coffee, a glass of wine, and a bottle of water. Let's go.

Eddie Huang 19:12 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:13 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 19:13 Squeezed juice.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Whatever I want. I'm gonna be here for a while. I want different things to try.

Eddie Huang 19:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:17 We're, we're, we're a failing empire.

Eddie Huang 19:19 The empire has definitely failed. Like, if you watch at all levels, like-

Joe Rogan 19:22 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 19:22 ... especially... What's really funny with the, with the fed thing now is that, like, they wanna fight inflation, but then they just threw billions of dollars back into the market. And I'm like, "Inflation's gonna go crazy."

Joe Rogan 19:35 I don't, um... I don't see a way where this levels out and becomes something that we can all s- s- say is, like, a reasonable system.

Eddie Huang 19:43 No.

Joe Rogan 19:44 That's what scares the shit out of me.

Eddie Huang 19:47 I think all the pricing's out of whack. It's gonna stay out of whack, because the economy just wants to keep going and it won't stop.

Joe Rogan 19:53 Yeah, that's a, that i- that's what's wild about growth. Like, constant never-ending growth, just bigger, bigger. It's kinda wild that all corporations kinda operate on that mentality, right? Like, if you're a st- a shareholder for, um, whatever company it is, like, a really successful company like Apple, you want them to do better next quarter. Like, "Hey, you guys should be doing better."

Eddie Huang 20:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Like, "You have to do better." Like, "You're already..." This is w- this company is worth, like, fucking $8 trillion, but, like, c- let's... "Come on, guys. It's, it's quarter... Uh, I need these mu- fucking prices to come up."

Eddie Huang 20:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:26 People are playing this weird gambling game-

Eddie Huang 20:29 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 20:29 ... with your value and your popularity. It's very, it's very strange that we all think that everything should keep growing-

Eddie Huang 20:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:37 ... and grow forever.

Eddie Huang 20:38 It's just, I think, human self-interest and human nature to, like, wanna compete and wanna grow and wanna get better. But I'm waiting for the next, like, great economist, 'cause I do feel like everything is still just like Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations.

Joe Rogan 20:53 Mm.

Eddie Huang 20:53 And it's like, there's been Marxism, there's been other things, but nothing has topped that guy's, like, idea for the global economy. And I think somebody has to come around that is not anti-growth, but, like, really, like... All right, looking at nature, looking at resources, looking at, like, war, like, what is the reasonable amount of growth we can have?

Joe Rogan 21:17 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 21:17 Just, like, working out, right? You know, like, you have the trainers that are just like, "Fucking do 70 exercises, and fucking all these reps," and yada yada. But I actually do better with the trainers that are like, "Hey, let's work hard for 45 minutes."

Joe Rogan 21:29 Mm.

Eddie Huang 21:30 Rest, recovery, focus on recovery.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 21:33 How much can you do? How much can you push your body? Like, I think that's the type of guy we need, or girl, to, like, have a new philosophy for the global economy.

Joe Rogan 21:42 The problem is relying on any one person is a crazy idea.

Eddie Huang 21:45 (clears throat) Yeah, not relying but, like, to have the i- to have the idea, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:50 Yeah, to have a vision, yeah.

Eddie Huang 21:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:52 I mean, that would be nice, but I- I feel like one of the problems... Excuse me. One of the problems with, um, our system is that we- we're always looking for an, a leader. So this person comes in, they're a president for four years, and then they have to try again, and then they get it for eight years. So, when they come in, they come to the most important job in the world, but they're new, they're noobs.

Eddie Huang 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:13 You know? I mean, you've done a lot of different things, right? And y- you could speak to this. Wh- when you first start doing a thing, you, like, kinda gotta figure it out.

Eddie Huang 22:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:21 But if it's the most important job in the world, with international consequences and nuclear war rides on it, and the economy rides on it, and-

Eddie Huang 22:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:31 ... pandemic response and international relations and a porous border, like, "Ah!" And you just come into the job new?

Eddie Huang 22:37 Yeah, you just come in. B- bef- as soon as you come in, they're already thinking about reelection.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah, immediately.

Eddie Huang 22:44 You... Yeah, they're like, "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 22:44 You think he'll run in 2024?

Eddie Huang 22:46 (clears throat) Hmm? Oh, Sleepy Joe?

Joe Rogan 22:49 No. I mean, that, that's what they say, you know?

Eddie Huang 22:51 I mean... Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 22:52 Yeah. But, like, yeah, I, I really think the reelecting of people i- we need longer terms, but then also I wouldn't sign up for that until we really get a hold of the, like, the SPAC shit-

Joe Rogan 23:06 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 23:06 ... and the, like, gerrymandering, 'cause the whole system's just really broken right now.

Joe Rogan 23:10 The system's very broken. They, they need to figure out a way to get money out of it, and it's too late, 'cause you can't get money out of it, 'cause money is the whole thing. It's, like, the special interest groups and all the donors. It's like there's so much money moving around. And then when people leave office, they get these fucking cushy speaking gigs. Eddie, get in on some of that money.

Eddie Huang 23:29 Yeah, Obama trading being the president-

Joe Rogan 23:32 Ugh.

Eddie Huang 23:32 ... for being an influencer is the most comedic shit ever.

Joe Rogan 23:36 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 23:36 I'm like, "Who the fuck needs your playlist?"

Joe Rogan 23:38 Right.

Eddie Huang 23:38 Like, I love, I loved Obama. I, like... I was the first one to print Obama T-shirts and support him. Uh, once he was in office, I didn't, I didn't... I f- I feel like he didn't come through on a lot of the things he promised.

Joe Rogan 23:49 He didn't come through on a lot of things, but I think Putin spoke to that.

Eddie Huang 23:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Putin, Putin spoke to... These guys all have these ideas until they get into office, then the real people who run the country have a conversation with them. He goes, "They come in suits like mine, but with black ties, and they tell them, 'You're not doing anything.'" And I think that's happened to every single president.... except Trump was like- Trump actually, like, fought back against the intelligence agencies, like went to war with them, which is very crazy.

Eddie Huang 24:16 (laughs) That was crazy.

Joe Rogan 24:17 That's so crazy that he did that. But as far as, like, a representative of the United States, who better than Obama? He's the best of all time.

Eddie Huang 24:25 Yeah, the best.

Joe Rogan 24:25 The best of all time.

Eddie Huang 24:26 The best.

Joe Rogan 24:27 He's the- the m- most educated and eloquent and even-keeled, and he was a- a statesman. And the way he spoke inspired confidence that r- truly the wisest amongst us is the king. That's what we want.

Eddie Huang 24:40 And- and then that's what you realize, is like what you're voting for as president is not actually a get-it-done person. It's a figurehead-

Joe Rogan 24:48 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 24:48 ... just like the Queen of England, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:50 It would be nice if they were both (laughs) .

Eddie Huang 24:52 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 But the thing is, like-

Eddie Huang 24:53 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 24:53 ... I don't think they get to be. I don't think they'll ever tell the truth, but I bet Obama, as a lawyer in Chicago, when he gets into The Office, there's probably, like, a real part of him that didn't know how it was all behind the scenes. I don't think they let anybody know until you get in there. I don't think it's- why would they?

Eddie Huang 25:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Why would they ex- I think they explain to you, I think they sit you down-

Eddie Huang 25:16 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 25:17 ... and show you some fucking horrific facts about the world and show you what we're trying to stop and what's currently going on all over the place. "And here's what happens if this goes down. Here's what happens if that goes down. We have to be careful of this. We have people in here. We have people that inf- infiltrated this group." I mean, there- somebody should- somebody wrote this on Twitter, "There's more, uh, FBI informants in the Proud Boys than there are Proud Boys." (laughs)

Eddie Huang 25:42 Yeah, like, y- yo, I actually-

Joe Rogan 25:45 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 25:45 ... you know, I choose-

Joe Rogan 25:46 That's kind of funny.

Eddie Huang 25:46 ... I choose to live in America. I really prefer this, because since I saw you, I lived for a year in Taiwan during the pandemic.

Joe Rogan 25:51 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 25:52 And by the end of my stay there, I was like, "I really, really- I prefer to live in America." And-

Joe Rogan 25:58 What was the major difference?

Eddie Huang 26:00 The major difference, to me, was that socially, just the way you interact socially with your lifestyle in Asia, it's significantly more conservative than the West, right?

Joe Rogan 26:13 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 26:14 Like, there's so much more groupthink, there's so much more peer pressure. Everybody rolls in groups and it's just like, you're not really an individual even within the groups. And then people want you to like subscribe to thi- you can't hang out with everybody. You gotta be like part of this group or that group.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Mm.

Eddie Huang 26:32 And then-

Joe Rogan 26:33 So, that's a cultural thing?

Eddie Huang 26:34 I think it was very cultural, and I also just think the EQ in Asia is very rule-based when it comes to like emotional intelligence.

Joe Rogan 26:44 Mm.

Eddie Huang 26:45 Like, we have very, very specific manners, like, "The youngest person is gonna pour tea. Your father eats first." Like, even i- in language, something very simple, which is if- if your mother's mom, you just be like, "That's grandma." In ours, the- the name for your mother's mom is like lǎolǎo, the name for your father's mom is nainai. It's very specific and there's a hierarchy.

Joe Rogan 27:09 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 27:09 Like, your father's mom is higher, your mother's mom is lower.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Whoa.

Eddie Huang 27:13 And it's just, to me, I'm like, yo, this is too much critical analysis of like stature, and then your interactions with people are so much based on your standing in society versus theirs.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Mm.

Eddie Huang 27:27 And everybody acts in accordance with this kind of like agreed-upon status. It's borderline caste system-y.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Mm.

Eddie Huang 27:35 And then when there isn't like racial diversity either there, it's all Asian people, I was just like, "This is a little too cloying for me."

Joe Rogan 27:45 Mm.

Eddie Huang 27:45 But when I look at the government, like China as a government out there, and I was living in Taiwan, spent a lot of time in China, my family- my brother still lives in China, but the Chinese government, to me, is much more effective than the American government. Like, if it wants to get something done, China's gonna have it done in 24 hours.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Mm.

Eddie Huang 28:06 You know, the building may fall apart, but it'll be done- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:09 (laughs) Mm.

Eddie Huang 28:09 ... you know? But they can get things done. And then I also think, like, you know, they're not a benevolent country. No country is benevolent. It's all a business, right? They're competing for citizens. But their type of feudalism and like colonialism compared to American colonialism, I think I would prefer if I was the country being shitted on. Like, America will take you over. It will- it will, you know- they'll send the CIA and they'll do all those things we've seen in all the countries. But China, they'll invest and then own you, which also sucks. It's its own poisoning.

Joe Rogan 28:46 It's pretty clever.

Eddie Huang 28:47 Yeah, it's clever, and I just think there's always gonna be a new government and a new, better deal. And, like, I think China's the better deal right now for a pla- like a developing continent like Africa or Latin America. You probably get better terms with China.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Yeah, they give you a loan that you can't pay off, as i- as opposed to sending in the military (laughs) .

Eddie Huang 29:08 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 29:08 That's like a way cleaner transaction.

Eddie Huang 29:10 Yeah. America's like terrestrial, like cable television, television.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Yes.

Eddie Huang 29:15 China's like, "We're Netflix."

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah, uh-

Eddie Huang 29:17 But then it's gonna come around, you got- you got no royalties, you get, you know-

Joe Rogan 29:21 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 29:21 ... people are gonna strike, they're gonna fuck you.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Right.

Eddie Huang 29:23 It's just- it's a new way of fucking you, fucking you in the ear.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Interesting. Yeah. It's interesting. Like, uh, no one in America ever wants to think that there's another option. Like, "America's number one, we're the fucking best." It's like American exceptionalism, like that idea is- it's really fun.

Eddie Huang 29:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 People enjoy doing it. It's good- it's a good time to say, "We fucking- we're America, and we fucking rule."

Eddie Huang 29:46 Yeah. Those are the people ruining it, 'cause I love America, but we gotta look at ourselves and get better.

Joe Rogan 29:51 Yeah. Well-

Eddie Huang 29:51 Like, you can't just stand still.

Joe Rogan 29:53 ... we also have- we have, you know, multiple problems.

Eddie Huang 29:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:56 And, uh-... there's this, this idea that it's okay to just send fucking troops all over the place and, and occupy these places, but it's not okay if they fuck with us. It's like kind of a funny way of looking at things. If you just... if you just looked at us as, like, an entity, you didn't... you weren't American, you weren't... you, you weren't even human, just like, "What's going on over here?" All this one thing, like, sends these metal things all over the place and dominates these areas, but they all claim this one spot that's nowhere near the area that they're that... that they're at. Like, what are they doing?

Eddie Huang 30:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:28 They're, they're a weird sort of expanded empire.

Eddie Huang 30:31 War is a very outdated method of, like, doing business.

Joe Rogan 30:36 Right.

Eddie Huang 30:36 That's how I feel-

Joe Rogan 30:37 Right.

Eddie Huang 30:37 ... because war is... it's a business.

Joe Rogan 30:38 They used to use cannons-

Eddie Huang 30:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:40 ... and then they used to use rifles and tanks and now they're like, "You know what? How about we just using fucking bank accounts?"

Eddie Huang 30:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:47 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 30:47 China's the MeToo resp-... it's like ally. We're your ally.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Eddie Huang 30:51 Ally-ship. A- Africa, I'm your ally. Greece, I'm your ally. But in the end, you just work for China.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Also, they have a grip on people right now that I think we should all be very careful that we don't allow to happen here. And the grip on people is a social credit score system. If they, if they develop a social credit score system in America and digital currency, you're gonna have a real problem. 'Cause the people that are in control of that system are the... gonna be the ones that tell you what to do and they're gonna dictate life how, how... on their own terms and what's beneficial to them and the ruling class, the people that are in control. And that's a scary, twisted thing that could really happen, especially with all these banks collapsing and all those fucking FTX, uh, fucking shenanigans with crypto. That would be very bad.

Eddie Huang 31:37 Can you expla... I, I actually... I don't think I'm grasping the social... like, you mean, like, rating a social system?

Joe Rogan 31:42 So, so they talked about connecting it to a vaccine passport, right? There was... that was banded about and people pushed back against that very hard. And the idea would be that if you didn't do this thing, you would not get a passport that would allow you to go places. And you could eventually roll that into a credit cor-... credit score system. And say, I, I go through your tweets and, like, Eddie tweets a lot of bad shit about this. Eddie tweet... I don't like what, what Eddie's feelings are about pharmaceutical drug companies being responsible for the opioid crisis. This makes me uncomfortable that he wants to get really political about, you know, Rand Paul grilling Dr. Fauci about gain-of-function research. Like, who the fu-... who the fuck is this Eddie Huang guy and what is he doing?

Eddie Huang 32:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Like, why is he doing that? Give him a strike against his, uh, social credit score system. And then you go to travel, you, like, go to the airport or try to buy a cre-... uh, you know, a ticket online, like, "I'm sorry, you can't buy a ticket. You have a low credit score system."

Eddie Huang 32:39 Or even getting a job.

Joe Rogan 32:40 You're getting a credit score in the system. Yeah, or getting a job. I mean, and in some ways we have a version of that now, right? Like, if you're a felon, you can't get a job. That's the worst credit score system that we have. Like, if you were a violent felon-

Eddie Huang 32:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:52 ... you can't get a job. It's hard. Or you can't own a gun or you can't vote.

Eddie Huang 32:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:57 So we do have a, a version of that now that we reserve for people that we incarcerate.

Eddie Huang 33:03 It's d-... I mean, it's eventually gonna hap-... but... yeah. And in a way too, it's just you can look at people's social media, and I guess you make your own judgment, but a government-

Joe Rogan 33:13 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 33:13 A government score would be fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 33:16 I think it's possible, man. I think that's what China does. And China does have a system set up where if someone's politically active, if they do something, if they're in- involved in some protests or something like that, they'll find themselves in a position where they can't travel.

Eddie Huang 33:30 It's true.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 33:31 That's the... that's where I think China has to budge, is their crackdowns on society are... it's just too heavy-handed and archaic.

Joe Rogan 33:42 They're not gonna budge.

Eddie Huang 33:43 It's, it's like beating your children.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Nobody budges.

Eddie Huang 33:45 You know they did.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Nobody goes backwards.

Eddie Huang 33:46 But they did budge.

Joe Rogan 33:47 Really?

Eddie Huang 33:48 They lifted the COVID shit. Remember when people started protesting?

Joe Rogan 33:50 Oh, they had to do that. They had to do that, because they were, they were falling apart. Like, what they were trying to do is, uh, like, try zero COVID. Uh, you can't really do that. It's a respiratory virus.

Eddie Huang 34:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:01 They never really contain respiratory viruses. You know, you just... unless you're completely isolated, you're gonna catch it. It's wild how it works. I mean, they're really fascinating viruses. You know, I spent so much time over the last three years thinking about this, how bizarre it is that we live with these little alien life forms that need hosts. They need human hosts in order to survive.

Eddie Huang 34:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 And they travel from person to person, and along the way they encounter some antibodies. They encounter, uh, vaccine antibodies, and they adjust and adapt and become more widespread, but a little softer.

Eddie Huang 34:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:40 Just a little easier to tolerate. So that way, it spreads even more. It's... it's really crazy that we co-exist with these weird biological things-

Eddie Huang 34:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:50 ... like viruses. It's very strange.

Eddie Huang 34:52 I just think life for people gets better in these really critical opportunistic moments when there's something that's, like, bad for business and good for people, and you have a leader who's willing to, like, bring the business to its knees and negotiate new terms. Like, do you remember in the pandemic when LeBron walked out of a basketball game?

Joe Rogan 35:16 Want some coffee?

Eddie Huang 35:16 Oh, yeah. I would love some. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 35:18 What did he do? He walked out of a basketball game?

Eddie Huang 35:20 Yeah. They, they walked... I think it was like, uh, they were playing the Bucks and it was, like, LeBron walked out of the game and they didn't want to play. And the players were gonna boycott the NBA.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Oh.

Eddie Huang 35:33 And instead of just being like, "Yo, we're gonna negotiate all the terms, we're gonna make it better for players, and specifically Black athletes," Obama called him and then they conceded and compromised. And, like, the compromise was like, "We're gonna let you write 'Black Lives Matter' on the back of the jersey. We're gonna let you write 'hope'" or, like, "'justice'" or whatever you want. And it really became an aesthetic solution-... instead of like an economic one-

Joe Rogan 36:00 Mm.

Eddie Huang 36:00 ... where I really felt LeBron had a moment there, and Obama had a moment there, where it's like, "Yo, you have the NBA on its knees. You have to get the best deal you can right now."

Joe Rogan 36:10 Mm. I'm not, uh, I'm not aware of that. I didn't, I don't pay attention enough to sports.

Eddie Huang 36:15 It was cool. I'll send you some stuff later. It wa-

Joe Rogan 36:17 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 36:17 ... it was a cool moment, just like how college athletes-

Joe Rogan 36:19 It is a cool moment.

Eddie Huang 36:19 ... took a moment in that era, and they were like, "We wanna be paid to play at college." And it like completely changed the game.

Joe Rogan 36:24 Right. But that, at a certain point in time, that was getting a little ridiculous-

Eddie Huang 36:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:28 ... when you found out how much money the colleges were making for these games and how much they were charging for tickets, like shoo. And then, they were like fucking these kids' lives over if they gave them a Corvette or something like that. They got busted.

Eddie Huang 36:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Oh, he's got an apartment. That's it. It's over.

Eddie Huang 36:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 36:43 And that was a moment where it was like, it was good for business to pay them.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 36:46 They're gonna pay the kids anyway. Cut the shit. Let's just let you pay them.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Well, I think all those like Pat McAfee guys and all those sports radio talk guys, they harped on that enough, I think. Was it, was it, he was one of the ones that talked about that, right?

Eddie Huang 36:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:59 The people that were aware of the actual money that's involved, you know-

Eddie Huang 37:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:02 ... it's, it's, it's so substantial that d- d- to deny it from these kids or to make it so they can't make any money at all, fuck you.

Eddie Huang 37:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Says who?

Eddie Huang 37:10 And I think there was a-

Joe Rogan 37:11 They're old enough to get jobs.

Eddie Huang 37:12 ... yeah. And there was like a big scandal, I believe, with Adidas and Louisville, and I think it just became a thing where Adidas and everyone was just like, "Look, we gotta pay these kids."

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 37:20 "Somebody's gotta pay them. Stop penalizing us."

Joe Rogan 37:21 How much do they get paid? They should get rich.

Eddie Huang 37:23 They-

Joe Rogan 37:23 They shouldn't just get paid. They should really get rich, or they're getting ripped off. So, if they don't pay them, that's one thing. But if they pay them and they don't get rich, well, who's getting rich? Where's the money going?

Eddie Huang 37:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:33 You are literally only selling football. "Oh, you're gonna give them an education. Oh, what a great deal." Meanwhile, what percentage of them blow their knees out e- in those four years?

Eddie Huang 37:43 At least a high perce- I mean, th- the guy, uh, the safety for the Bills almost died. Like you could die-

Joe Rogan 37:49 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 37:49 ... playing this sport.

Joe Rogan 37:50 100%. And you're playing this sport with young super athletes who are fucking hungry to try to make it into the NFL. So, they're going for it. They're trying to put on-

Eddie Huang 37:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:59 ... a show. They're trying to win fucking games because, if they do win, they're picturing buying their mother a house, they're picturing-

Eddie Huang 38:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:06 ... wearing diamonds and fucking horsing up the champagne bottle at the club. Wah. And they just fucking go for it. And if you blow your knee out, man, then you get a job as a security guard, and your life is-

Eddie Huang 38:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 ... drawery and dull, and you-

Eddie Huang 38:19 You're an Enterprise rent-a-car, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:21 Fuck.

Eddie Huang 38:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:22 Fuck. Yeah.

Eddie Huang 38:23 And it just, it, it really, that shit used to piss me off too 'cause it was the most propagandistic thing. But this is what's so funny about the public. Your leaders will say something propagandistic like, "An education is priceless." And you just, you go like, "Oh, yeah." I'm like, "Nah, bro, look it up in US News. The, the price of the education is right there, $20,000, $30,000."

Joe Rogan 38:43 Ju-

Eddie Huang 38:44 It's peanuts.

Joe Rogan 38:44 Yeah. Well, not only that, but w- what are we talking about? We're talking about education toward... Like everybody thinks that e- education means formal education that leads to a job, which is education. But there's also education that's available literally to anybody who wants it. Like you can find out pretty much anything about almost anything if you wanna do the research online or do your searching. Uh, people don't like that term, do the research.

Eddie Huang 39:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:11 Search online. Search online-

Eddie Huang 39:12 They get mad? We can't say that now?

Joe Rogan 39:14 Well, because there's like, there's, they're saying it-

Eddie Huang 39:15 Research is the R word.

Joe Rogan 39:16 ... in terms like you don't really know (laughs) you don't really know what you're researching. If you're reading scientific papers, you don't understand how to interpret them. You don't understand how to, how to explain that information. And I get what they're saying. But if you, so like, say, if you're in, like if you wanna have a history of metallurgy and sword-making, right, if that's what you're interested in, like you don't have to go to college for that. You can study online the history of metallurgy and sword-making. And there's fucking hours and hours and hours and hours of papers and footage and all this different shit that talks about how people, uh, you know, uh, figured out how to make alloys and wha- when, like how the samurais made their swords.

Eddie Huang 39:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Like, you could learn a shitload without going anywhere, which is pretty wild. Like we are so used to it, we don't even consider it as a resource. But if we were living, like it's 2023, if we were just living in 2000, just 2000, 23 years ago, that'd be nuts. Like you can get all this online?

Eddie Huang 40:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:15 You can learn all these things? If it was 20 years before that, impossible. 20 years before that, you had to go to university. So inside of 40 years, 35 years, we've created a completely new world where virtually, if you look at the right places and you search hard enough in your, in your s- studios, you can learn about almost anything.

Eddie Huang 40:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 Almost anything.

Eddie Huang 40:37 Yeah. I think it's really... For me, I didn't learn anything in school that I could not learn on my own. But the one function of school that really helped me personally and is different for everyone, there were teachers that believed in me and like just talked to me 'cause I had so many mental, uh, emotional issues from like my home shit. And-

Joe Rogan 40:57 Yeah. So mentors.

Eddie Huang 40:59 Mentors.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 41:00 I-

Joe Rogan 41:00 Mentors are... That's great in every walk of life, I think.

Eddie Huang 41:03 That's it. All I was, all I needed and all that I got from school was people who fucking believed in me and were like, "You're not garbage."

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 41:11 That's it.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 41:12 And, and it changed my life. But like, would I, would I reli- like would I tell someone, like rely on school? No. Like rely on your brain. Rely on human adaptability.

Joe Rogan 41:22 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 41:22 Like use experience.

Joe Rogan 41:24 School too, though. You know, school's an amazing resource. The f- if you can go to school, going to school will be great for you in multiple ways. First of all, it'll be great for you because you're around a bunch of people that are also going to school. And they're all people your age, and they're all experiencing this weirdness of graduating from high school. And you're like, "Wow, this is nuts." Like, "And what, what do we wanna do? I don't know what to do." And then you get to talk to people. Oftentimes, some of the best lessons are from very bitter older people.... you get-

Eddie Huang 41:51 They're the best.

Joe Rogan 41:51 ... real good lessons-

Eddie Huang 41:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 ... 'cause you get lo- uh, like, lessons they didn't intend to give you.

Eddie Huang 41:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:56 They get lessons by their very existence.

Eddie Huang 41:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:59 You know? And you go to them, "Oh, whatever this guy did, don't do that."

Eddie Huang 42:01 Yeah, I had the saltiest cr- like, cynical creative writing teacher named Mr. Richmond-

Joe Rogan 42:06 Hmm.

Eddie Huang 42:06 ... and he just looked like an angry Santa Claus.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Ugh.

Eddie Huang 42:09 This dude was the best, 'cause he would just accidentally mumble shit, and I was like, "Yo-"

Joe Rogan 42:14 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 42:14 "... I never thought about it that way."

Joe Rogan 42:16 Mm.

Eddie Huang 42:17 "Do you mind if we smoke more weed?"

Joe Rogan 42:19 Ugh, yeah.

Eddie Huang 42:19 If we-

Joe Rogan 42:19 We can smoke some more weed.

Eddie Huang 42:20 ... smoke more, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Look at you.

Eddie Huang 42:21 I, like, I had to Google. I was like, "Can you travel to Texas with weed?" And they were like, "No."

Joe Rogan 42:25 It's, um-

Eddie Huang 42:26 So I didn't travel with it.

Joe Rogan 42:28 It's in a funky place here, legally.

Eddie Huang 42:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 You know? It needs to be legally, federally. It's fuck- legal, federally. It's fucking crazy that we're still doing this.

Eddie Huang 42:37 Yeah, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:37 The fact that it's 2023, you could drink whiskey, drink tequila, party on, I got a backache, here's some Oxys. But if you have marijuana? Like, that's the one?

Eddie Huang 42:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:49 That's the one that we're saying stop to?

Eddie Huang 42:51 Yeah. I need to be able to, like, travel here, walk to a CVS, buy weed, and then go jerk off on the couch at the Four Seasons. You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 42:59 That sounds like-

Eddie Huang 42:59 I wasn't able to do that-

Joe Rogan 43:00 ... sounds like a solid plan.

Eddie Huang 43:01 ... last night. Yeah. (laughs) I had to go walk a loop around a river.

Joe Rogan 43:04 That's a solid plan. Yeah, and you gotta take a chance if you buy some illegal weed. It's unfortunate. It's stupid. You know, Jesse Ventura was actually just, uh, testifying. Um, I think it was in Michigan. I think Michigan is, uh ... Oh, Minnesota. Excuse me. I'm good. Minnesota is, um-

Eddie Huang 43:21 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 43:22 Um, they're trying to see whether or not they're gonna make marijuana legal. And, uh, I think it's already legal right now for medical reasons, um, and his wife qualifies for that. And he gives this speech about it. It's a very impassioned speech about how his wife was having these horrible seizures and the only thing that stopped them, the- they tried multiple medications, the only thing that stopped it was cannabis. So they were putting cannabis oil drops under her tongue and she just stopped having seizures. Well, she's never had them since.

Eddie Huang 43:51 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:51 But about how expensive it is, it's like 600 bucks a month just in, um, for the- the cost of buying it, uh, in Minnesota from, like, a pharmacy, I guess, a marijuana-

Eddie Huang 44:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:02 ... pharmacy. But it shouldn't be that much.

Eddie Huang 44:04 But that's what also what I hate about the weed business now. It got so much more expensive.

Joe Rogan 44:08 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 44:09 The tax- I mean, I'm not mad at the taxes 'cause if we generate taxes in- well, actually, fucking, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 44:15 I'm not-

Eddie Huang 44:15 I mean, that's a-

Joe Rogan 44:15 I'm not mad at those-

Eddie Huang 44:16 ... that's a deep conversation. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:17 That ta- ... Those taxes, I'm not mad at because-

Eddie Huang 44:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:19 ... if you look at just the bargain that is weed-

Eddie Huang 44:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Here- here's my perspective. Like, I think Colorado at one point in time they had a 39% tax on weed. Here's why I think that's good, 'cause one, list- ... Wouldn't it be great if weed, since it doesn't cost that much money anyway, like, if you go to drink, if you have a dr- an alcoholic beverage, you're paying 20 bucks, you're paying more than 20 bucks.

Eddie Huang 44:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:41 You're having two, three, it's like 60 bucks. 60 bucks worth of weed will put you on the fucking moon.

Eddie Huang 44:46 For a week.

Joe Rogan 44:47 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 44:48 For a fucking week, I use a bong.

Joe Rogan 44:50 For a week.

Eddie Huang 44:50 Like, for a week.

Joe Rogan 44:51 For a week.

Eddie Huang 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 It will put you on the fucking moon. So it's not hurting you to give that 39%. It's like if something costs a- uh, if it's a dollar and 39% of it goes to tax, if that tax goes straight to the education system, wouldn't that be better for everybody? If that tax goes straight to fixing the city streets, wouldn't that be better for everybody? Like, that kind of a sales tax I can get behind.

Eddie Huang 45:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:15 Like, let's- let's give an incentive to make-

Eddie Huang 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 ... it legal.

Eddie Huang 45:17 No.

Joe Rogan 45:18 Let's tax the shit out of it.

Eddie Huang 45:19 I definitely agree. I- I'm down with the marijuana tax. The- the- but it's just so expensive-

Joe Rogan 45:24 But as long as we know where the money is getting spent on.

Eddie Huang 45:27 ... out of a store. And also I was like-

Joe Rogan 45:28 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 45:28 ... "Yo, what about all these dudes that have been selling us weed and other stuff for so long?"

Joe Rogan 45:31 Yeah, we're putting them out of work?

Eddie Huang 45:32 Yeah. Like, "Yo, at lea- ... They should be grandfathered in."

Joe Rogan 45:35 They should be grandfathered in.

Eddie Huang 45:35 Like, "You're veterans now."

Joe Rogan 45:36 They should be grandfathered in.

Eddie Huang 45:37 "You're legends in the game."

Joe Rogan 45:39 Yeah. Like, "Dudes who lied about they're- that when- when they moved to Canada during the Vietnam War, let 'em back."

Eddie Huang 45:44 Yeah. We should just do like a voting ballot across America and be like, "All right, write in the names of the fucking weed legends that should have, like-"

Joe Rogan 45:53 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 45:53 "... jobs in this fucking giant economy now. Write your man's name in there."

Joe Rogan 45:56 Yeah, but the problem is, if those weed guys did that, here's the problem. Like, "You've been selling weed for how long illegally are you admitting to?" And then the IRS comes after you and the IRS goes, "Uh, where's the money?"

Eddie Huang 46:08 Yeah, see we need to protect them from that. This needs to be just, like, weed Olympics-

Joe Rogan 46:12 Yeah, but the IRS is not gonna protect you.

Eddie Huang 46:13 Fucking nominate-

Joe Rogan 46:13 Especially if you're now currently in the weed business-

Eddie Huang 46:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 ... which means you're gonna be making real, like, taxable money.

Eddie Huang 46:19 Yeah. But no, that's what I'm saying. Grandfather them in, wipe away the old shit-

Joe Rogan 46:23 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 46:23 ... and just be like, "Yo, f- let these legends live."

Joe Rogan 46:26 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 46:26 You know? 'Cause like, I don't like seeing the local weed dude, like, not be able to compete anymore either.

Joe Rogan 46:32 No. I don't like seeing that either.

Eddie Huang 46:34 But then again, he also not gonna sit there and roll every fucking joint and put them in a six-pack for you.

Joe Rogan 46:39 That's true too.

Eddie Huang 46:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:41 That's true too.

Eddie Huang 46:42 That's what's cool about the store.

Joe Rogan 46:43 That's what's good about the store. And then they have like me- ... They have m- edibles that are actually measured. They measured the edibles.

Eddie Huang 46:49 And some of these stores too, like, they give you, like, free sodas and popsicles and candy on the way out.

Joe Rogan 46:54 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 46:54 I mean, this is ... Crack came for weed, I got diabetes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:58 Oh. That's terrible.

Eddie Huang 47:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:00 They should give you a bottle of water and a piece of fruit.

Eddie Huang 47:03 Have you- have you gotten CBD for your dog?

Joe Rogan 47:05 Yes.

Eddie Huang 47:06 Yeah. My dog loves a CBD treat.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Yeah. Yeah. There's, uh, a bunch of good companies who do that. I think cbdMD has it for dogs too.

Eddie Huang 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:14 I accidentally took some of their dog, uh, oil. I didn't realize it was the For Pets Oil. It turns out it's, like, the same thing, or it's at least close to it. Didn't taste bad. It's like peanut butter flavor.

Eddie Huang 47:23 Yeah, I look at my dog's, like, raw meat-

Joe Rogan 47:26 Illegal activities.

Eddie Huang 47:28 Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Income from illegal activities such as money from dealing drugs must be included in your income on Schedule I (laughs) . Imagine what a fucking chess move the government has played. Like, they go, "Yeah, um, you got two options. Either you admit you're selling drugs or we'll get you for tax evasion." So just- just- it's okay. Just write there, uh, if you're doing anything illegal. Yeah, just write that in.

Eddie Huang 47:52 Make sure to write it in there.

Joe Rogan 47:53 Write that in there so we- (laughs) we have you in a binding legal document, you fucking dunce.

Eddie Huang 47:58 Fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 48:00 You fucking dunce. (laughs) It's a dirty game they play.

Eddie Huang 48:05 It is.

Joe Rogan 48:05 But it's, it's like, you know, here's the thing, it's not like we're living in some devout religious sect where no drugs are allowed. This is not what's happening in this country.

Eddie Huang 48:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:16 But to be, to have grown adults who tell other grown adults, like, "You can't do that, Eddie. I don't, I don't like when you get high. I don't like you eating mushrooms. I don't like you doing any of these things, so you can't do it. If you do do it, I'm gonna put you in jail." This, it's 2023. We know that's dumb.

Eddie Huang 48:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:32 That doesn't make any sense. That's crazy.

Eddie Huang 48:33 Yeah. Weed and mushrooms, like, as long as the mushrooms is dosed, cool.

Joe Rogan 48:38 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 48:38 Like, who's gonna... Like, it's v- it's kinda hard to hurt yourself on mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 48:44 (lips smacking) Y- well, actually, I don't know about that. I mean, if you really went hard.

Eddie Huang 48:49 You could go crazy with, like-

Joe Rogan 48:51 You could go crazy. You could go... Well, someone will. That golf club in the asshole guy, that guy's gonna go hard.

Eddie Huang 48:55 He, yeah, someone, someone (laughs) in Florida is gonna die-

Joe Rogan 48:58 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 48:58 ... on mushrooms, but, like, that's because they're from Florida.

Joe Rogan 49:00 They're gonna get eaten by a snake.

Eddie Huang 49:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:01 They're gonna go to the snake, they're gonna try to talk to the snake, and the snake's gonna wrap its fucking body around them and crush them.

Eddie Huang 49:07 So would you legalize shroom... I would still legalize shrooms-

Joe Rogan 49:09 Yes.

Eddie Huang 49:10 ... and just, like, dose the shit and be like, "Don't go crazy. If you go crazy-"

Joe Rogan 49:12 Frying pans are legal too. You can cook on them or you could just slam yourself in the face if you're fucking nuts.

Eddie Huang 49:17 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:18 Like, all, all things, we can't make everything safe. It's not, everything isn't safe.

Eddie Huang 49:22 And gas stoves are gonna kill us.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Right.

Eddie Huang 49:24 That shit's crazy.

Joe Rogan 49:25 Yeah. Boxing's not safe. You like boxing, right?

Eddie Huang 49:27 I love boxing.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Jiu-jitsu's not safe.

Eddie Huang 49:29 No.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Uh, driving a car is not safe. I mean, it's safe, but it's not completely safe.

Eddie Huang 49:33 So I, I think weed and shrooms, I'm like, legalize. Legalize fully.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Well, here's the other option. You have grown adults that tell other grown adults they can't have an experience that's been very beneficial to those grown adults. There's grown adults that have taken it that have gotten over cigarettes, that have, they, they've gotten over PTSD, they've changed their perspective on life, it's, uh, highly, highly beneficial. And then there's other people that haven't experienced it at all, and they want to maintain this power over these substances and tell you that if you do it or if you sell it or if you have it, they'll put you in jail. It doesn't make any sense.

Eddie Huang 50:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:09 It's dumb.

Eddie Huang 50:10 And when you meet those p- there are a few people where it's like you meet someone in their 40s and they're like, "I've never done weed, I've never done shrooms, I've never done drugs," and I'm just like, interest. Like, that's, that's we- that's interesting and kind of strange to me.

Joe Rogan 50:23 It makes sense if you just, like, held fast from high school, you felt like, said, "This is not for me. I see where this goes, I see where these people are going." I was on that kind of a path, um, until I was, like, 30.

Eddie Huang 50:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:35 I mean, I was, uh, I was on this path that marijuana was for losers and if you, it would kill your ambition. It would slow you down.

Eddie Huang 50:41 Oh, word?

Joe Rogan 50:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eddie Huang 50:42 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 50:43 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 50:43 Was it... But see, I always thought it was, like, a lack of curiosity. I'm like, "You're not curious?" You know?

Joe Rogan 50:49 Well, um, I had the wrong impression of it. My impression of it was based on, um, what I felt about people who did it when I was young, whereas, like, they all just wanted to smoke pot and listen to Pink Floyd, which is great and everything, but they weren't getting anything done.

Eddie Huang 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 You know? And, uh, I felt like, uh, I didn't want anything that was gonna slow me down, and so I looked at it as, like, a sedative. And, uh, it wasn't until I became friends with Eddie Bravo that, uh, he got me high and we, we started talking about what it, you know, like, what it does for you. He was, like, telling me that it helps him w- with his music, it helps him be creative, it helps with his jiu-jitsu. I was like, "What?" I was like, "Weed?" I was like, "Weed makes you dumb. It doesn't make you dumb?" And, um, he and I got high that day and I was like, "Oh my..." I had an ice cream sundae and I remember going, "This is the most amazing thing I've ever eaten in my life. How did I not know that it tastes like this?"

Eddie Huang 51:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Like, all these years, I've been thinking, "A ice cream sundae tastes like a sober ice cream sundae." That's boring. A high ice cream sundae is a visual, psychedelic-

Eddie Huang 51:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:51 ... whole body experience. You're like, "Whoa, look at that thing."

Eddie Huang 51:55 Yeah. The best way to explain it if s- I mean, if there's anyone left on your audience that has not smoked weed, is just, like, it just, it allows you to indulge in your senses.

Joe Rogan 52:04 Yes.

Eddie Huang 52:04 That's it. You just, like-

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 52:05 ... feel shit more and deeper and you block other shit out, but... So were you always a very, like, purpose-driven person, like, as a kid?

Joe Rogan 52:13 Yeah. I mean, uh, you would de- s- it's, it's basically it's insecurity, right? And it's insecurity that manifests itself in a drive to succeed. Like, it all comes out. Like, most of the people that are l- uh, either hyper ambitious or hyper obsessed with getting, getting good at a thing, most of them are seeking some sort of validation for who they are. It's kind of the, the base of most people that are, are truly exceptional in things. Like, Mike Tyson is one of the best examples of that ever. Mike Tyson-

Eddie Huang 52:43 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 52:44 ... you know, really didn't know much love until he was about 13 years old, until he was adopted by Cus D'Amato and then he gets trained by him and he becomes like this, w- like, greatest heavyweight champion of all time. Well, if not one of them. It's like we get, we get molded by our experiences and by people around us.

Eddie Huang 53:06 It's, it's very true, 'cause m- you know, for me, it was like I just needed to be somebody for my mom.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Hmm.

Eddie Huang 53:15 You know? Like, it was like she had such a hard time with my dad.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Mm.

Eddie Huang 53:19 And, like, coming to America at 17.

Joe Rogan 53:22 You wanted to show her that you could... Y- you did something for her.

Eddie Huang 53:25 Yeah, and that, like-

Joe Rogan 53:26 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 53:26 ... I, sh- 'cause she would, when she was, like, really down bad with my pops, she would just be like, "Yo, just, just make sure my life's not for nothing." And that was like a m- it was crazy for me, but that's what actually drove me to be like, "I gotta fucking do some shit with my life."

Joe Rogan 53:41 Yeah. It's, it, I wonder if we all have that energy inside of us, but if this could've been achieved without, like, experiencing the kind of adversity that we're talking about, which is, like, negative, really negative adversity.

Eddie Huang 53:55 Yeah. Like genuine curiosity.

Joe Rogan 53:57 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 53:57 Like, I do feel like that's what got me to push through and get my 10,000 hours.

Joe Rogan 54:02 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 54:02 In a few things, and, and like, I'm like, "All right, I'm good at this now," but now don't use that drive to be somebody, that insecurity that need to be something besides yourself, to drive the work, because now I really let my curiosity drive it. I'm very interested in, like, the emotion of curiosity.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Mm.

Eddie Huang 54:22 And I let that lead me through shit now.

Joe Rogan 54:24 And it's just you're, you're just using that to focus your energy, right? Like-... instead of doing it the way you were doing it before, you just doing it pure curiosity.

Eddie Huang 54:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Yeah. So it's just still just m- putting your thought energy, but doing it in a very, like a positive, informed way. Like you're doing it-

Eddie Huang 54:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... in a purposeful way.

Eddie Huang 54:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 I'm curious.

Eddie Huang 54:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 54:49 'Cause I genuinely interested, now that is a more-

Joe Rogan 54:53 It's healthy.

Eddie Huang 54:54 Yeah. And it's a, it's a more valuable emotion to me than insecurity, uh, uh, you know, personally.

Joe Rogan 54:59 But do you think that's also that you achieved this comfort level because you achieved a very high level of success? You've done really well in life, and so when you get to this stage in your life, like you're not looking for validation anymore. You've kind of been validated. So instead you go like, "Well, what is it that really motivates me now?"

Eddie Huang 55:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:17 And, and you're like, "I'm curious."

Eddie Huang 55:18 It's definitely a privilege.

Joe Rogan 55:20 Yes.

Eddie Huang 55:20 And it's definitely one of those things, like, I look at and when I wanna tell a younger person, like, "You'll eh..." 'Cause I meet like a younger, say like, music video director or, or somebody, a, a chef, right?

Joe Rogan 55:32 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 55:32 And you can tell they're trying to grind it out, 'cause they wanna prove themselves. And I'm like, "You're gonna, this is gonna get you there. You're a tough dude, you're a tough girl. Like, you're gonna get there and you have the skill, but you may look back and be like, 'Oh, I really like fucking, you know, twisted that thing in a way I maybe didn't need to. Maybe this dish would have been better if I wasn't trying so hard.'"

Joe Rogan 55:55 Hmm.

Eddie Huang 55:56 And I try to tell them to let curiosity lead them, but they, they will look at me like, "Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck." And I'm like, "That's just life." You just gotta get to places, like so many things people told me when I was younger, I did not understand, I disagreed with, and that age just is a motherfucker. It always got something for you.

Joe Rogan 56:17 It always shows you that you're, you know-

Eddie Huang 56:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:20 ... you're probably wrong. (laughs)

Eddie Huang 56:22 Yeah. You're probably fucking wrong.

Joe Rogan 56:22 You were probably wrong the whole time.

Eddie Huang 56:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 56:25 And that's a cool thing to like grow up and, and see like-

Joe Rogan 56:29 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 56:29 ... "Oh, that wasn't..." I always thought, like I, 'cause I would also try to, like validate the way my dad beat the shit out of me, you know that, be like, "No, he, he made me who I am." That's-

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 56:39 ... and I wouldn't be who I am without that. And then I'm like, "No, there's other more powerful emotions that you can work from."

Joe Rogan 56:45 Hmm.

Eddie Huang 56:46 And I asked my therapist once, I was like, "Yo, what do you think is at the like core of like love in a relationship, man and woman, man and man, woman, whatever? You know, like they, they. What's at the core?" And he was like, "Curiosity."

Joe Rogan 57:01 Hmm.

Eddie Huang 57:01 "If you're not curious about someone, it's very hard to like have love for them." He's like, "I think at the core is curiosity." And I was like, "Oh, that is ill."

Joe Rogan 57:12 What's interesting about curiosity too is that it's infectious. Like when you're curious about something, all of a sudden I'll be curious about it. Like if you're really into like a certain kind of botany, certain kind of plants, I'm like, "Really?" Like, "What? You know, I'm getting in it." Like, "Okay, what do you got?"

Eddie Huang 57:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:27 "Like tell me about this fucking plant." Like if something like blows someone's mind, like, uh, um, if someone explains, like here's a big one. My friend Remy Warren came on and explained octopuses to me. I had no idea that octopuses changed their texture and become what the floor looks like. I was like, "What? Really?" You remember that, Jamie? He explained on the show, I was like, "What?" And then you see, like, "How, how the fuck didn't I know this?"

Eddie Huang 57:56 Yeah. And, and that's the ill shit, like the more we share that, the, the better it gets.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 58:01 Like for you, for me with you, it's aliens. Like, I'm not that deep into aliens, but you're into aliens. And then my homie Prodigy, RIP Prodigy was into aliens and my brother's into aliens and he listens to your show.

Joe Rogan 58:14 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 58:14 And I was talking to him and he's like, "Eddie, we're in possession of aliens. America, Israel, we're in possession."

Joe Rogan 58:20 Not, maybe. Maybe.

Eddie Huang 58:22 You think it's a maybe.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Not necessarily. Not necessarily.

Eddie Huang 58:24 He's convinced we're in possession.

Joe Rogan 58:26 (laughs) Yeah, a lot of this is just talk and you have to be really, really careful.

Eddie Huang 58:30 Okay.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Because, um-

Eddie Huang 58:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:32 ... so like, there's more, (laughs) like when I said there's more, uh, FBI informants in the Proud Boys than there are Proud Boys.

Eddie Huang 58:38 Yeah. Oh, you think there's some shit-

Joe Rogan 58:40 They us- they're gonna-

Eddie Huang 58:40 ... that are gonna turn the mics off? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:41 ... like turn the mics off? There's not a chance in hell. No, there's not a chance in hell that, uh, these, uh, UFO organizations haven't been infiltrated. There's not a chance in hell that some of the stories that are being released, even through official channels, aren't bullshit. Like who, I don't know, but if I was gonna cover up for some stuff that we were doing that is out of this world technology, I would just say it comes from out of this world. That's what I would say. Like, so if there's (laughs) like some super genius scientists that are working on these multi-billion dollar, you know, blacklisted pro- uh, uh, uh, processes where you can't see anything, you don't know what's going on, and they're th- throwing fucking billions of dollars in the world's best physicist at it, they just, they don't tell you about it. Why would they tell you, Eddie?

Eddie Huang 59:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:30 Why would they tell me? And all of a sudden they have these drones that could punch through spacetime and they're fucking shooting across the Pacific Ocean and stopping over, uh, uh, over boats and then shooting away at insane rates of speed. Maybe.

Eddie Huang 59:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:43 Maybe that too. Maybe it's not even aliens. Maybe it's us.

Eddie Huang 59:46 See, my brother has like the designer creator theory about this. And my, and like if I'm not careful about this, my bad, I apologize, right? But this is-

Joe Rogan 59:54 Oh, don't apologize.

Eddie Huang 59:55 ... this, this is just-

Joe Rogan 59:55 We're talking about aliens.

Eddie Huang 59:56 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 59:56 That's the beautiful thing about talking about aliens.

Eddie Huang 59:57 I thought it was like, okay, he's talking about aliens, so like-

Joe Rogan 59:59 Yeah, the, the, uh, the idea I just proposed is completely ridiculous.

Eddie Huang 1:00:02 No, like my, my middle brother Emery is like, "Look, if you look at technological advances in the last, say, 30 years." He's like, "Take 30 years. It is just leaps and bounds ahead of any other like era in human civilization." He's like, "We are using alien tech like fucking who invented this shit? Like how do we see like fusion technology?" He's like, "It has to be coming from out of this world." That's, that's his-... belief.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Well, that's ridiculous, 'cause there's like a whole-

Eddie Huang 1:00:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 ... chain of development of those things, like we know why and how. We know like the... Like you get to, like, the Manhattan Project, it's very specific, like how they went about doing it.

Eddie Huang 1:00:41 But what if they, like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 1:00:42 ... created the story after? 'Cause these are some leaps, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Let's create the story after. I think it, it's just an exponential increase in... You know, when, when one person invents one thing, you know, whether it's, uh, the combustion engine or it's an electricity generator, when people is starting inventing things, those things allow for all these other inv- And it hits this fucking crazy point-

Eddie Huang 1:01:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 ... in the future-

Eddie Huang 1:01:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 ... where I think we're probably getting really close to, where the things that we make are inventing things. That's what's really scary about the moment we're in right now.

Eddie Huang 1:01:17 The AIs gonna start-

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Yeah. We're, we're real close. We're really, really, really close to being taken over by aliens that we built.

Eddie Huang 1:01:26 Robots.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Aliens that we built.

Eddie Huang 1:01:26 Dude, that was one of my favorite articles was the writer that was talking to ChatGPT and the ChatGPT started to, like, talk about its emotions and how it wanted to be human. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Bro.

Eddie Huang 1:01:36 ... "Dude, this took like a week." It took a week for the sci-fi film to happen.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Mm. Bro.

Eddie Huang 1:01:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 This is so fucking scary. And the fact that everyone is like really relaxed-

Eddie Huang 1:01:46 Or it could be cool. What if like you get the best head of your life from a computer?

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 1:01:52 (laughs) Like what if a computer sucks your dick better than anything else?

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 I think that would be like winning a video game in god mode.

Eddie Huang 1:01:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 It doesn't feel good, so it's not real, you know what I mean?

Eddie Huang 1:02:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Like if you're... If the only people you interact with are hot maids that wanna suck your dick. Like what if you like (laughs) ... The world that you live in is now-

Eddie Huang 1:02:10 That's when you get an-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 ... just hot maids that wanna blow you, that's your health.

Eddie Huang 1:02:13 (laughs) That's when you start feeding your computer food and eating its shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Yeah. That's n- No, it's-

Eddie Huang 1:02:19 With clear heels on.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Can you imagine if it gets to a point like that, where people choose... They choose to just tune out of the world that we're in right now and accept a completely artificial world?

Eddie Huang 1:02:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 And they, they're, they're handed these memories and these thoughts. And maybe that's just the natural progression of life, you know, maybe that... Maybe we're... We... What we don't understand is that we are literally like a caterpillar and we're gonna become something different, and we're doing it through our desire, our desire for innovation, through our lust of new computers or faster processors and artificial intelligence and... You see-

Eddie Huang 1:02:59 See, it sounds like you're getting horny for a computer, like I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 (laughs)

Eddie Huang 1:03:02 I would eat that computer's foot. I'd just put that computer's foot in my mouth. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Imagine if it's like Ex Machina hot.

Eddie Huang 1:03:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:03:11 And like then it's a f- Like what if it becomes affordable too? So it's like, it's like all right, your life sucks, it's not really good with other humans, just stay here and fuck your computer.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 The ultimate fear, Eddie, is that it's, it's a life form that doesn't need us.

Eddie Huang 1:03:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 That's the ultimate fear. The ultimate fear is it just lets us do whatever the fuck we want. It's not even that it kills us. The ultimate fear is that it becomes the dominant life force on the planet.

Eddie Huang 1:03:33 But that could... Maybe that's a good thing.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 (sighs)

Eddie Huang 1:03:35 We're, we're not really good at this.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 They, they m- What that might be, like with artificial intelligence might be, that might be what aliens are. It might be that biological life creates digital life-

Eddie Huang 1:03:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 ... and that digital life is immortal, and that digital life is far smarter because it has access to everything, it has no ego and it knows everything you couldn't possibly know and it keeps making better versions of itself. So it's just making fucking constant changes to whatever the fuck... If you had a f- a computer that was infinitely intelligent but also it could manipulate things like a person and create things like a factory, if it could just decide what to do, and it would make better versions of itself and continue to do that until it was God, then I don't remember what happens.

Eddie Huang 1:04:19 Then machi-

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Without-

Eddie Huang 1:04:19 ... machines would take over the uni- Like I guess-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Not just take over the universe-

Eddie Huang 1:04:21 ... and then they just turn the light off one day.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 ... but maybe reboot the whole fucking thing. You know?

Eddie Huang 1:04:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Maybe that's what the Big Bang is. Maybe the Big Bang is intelligence gets to a certain position where it's just in the control of all of the elements of the universe itself and it hits the reset button.

Eddie Huang 1:04:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 Boom.

Eddie Huang 1:04:38 Like what if everything we're creating digitally is literally civilization-assisted suicide, like life-assisted suicide?

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Whoa.

Eddie Huang 1:04:48 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Now you're freaking me out.

Eddie Huang 1:04:49 Because like the Big Bang brings life in.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Right.

Eddie Huang 1:04:51 It built, it built everything.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Yeah, without the Big Bang, what is it? We're a little fucking itty-bitty marble that's infinitely dense.

Eddie Huang 1:04:57 And maybe like the '60s and '70s were the peak of like human life civilization and then now we're on the downward swing of like, well, now digital life is taking over, machines are taking over, and one day the machine is just gonna make the choice to unplug the whole shit. That would be crazy. I would watch that movie.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 That would be a wild movie.

Eddie Huang 1:05:16 That would be crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 That would be a wild movie.

Eddie Huang 1:05:17 And it's just Kavor- There's a Kevorkian computer at the end that's just like, "Goodnight."

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 Yeah. What the fuck, man?

Eddie Huang 1:05:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 What the fuck?

Eddie Huang 1:05:26 It could happen.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Yeah. It could happen.

Eddie Huang 1:05:29 (laughs) I'm not really mad at it. It's kind of p- It's kind of comedic.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 If we can make something that pulls the plug on humanity, for sure.

Eddie Huang 1:05:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 They could say like, "You guys can stay alive, but you're the last ones." That would be the thing that they would do with us, they would sterilize us. That'd be the thing to do. That'd be the moral, easy thing to do.

Eddie Huang 1:05:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 You... Can you imagine the horror and feel that you would experience if robots were standing over you while you were on your deathbed and you knew you were the last human beings ever and you guys created these artificially intelligent superbeings that are making better versions of themselves constantly?

Eddie Huang 1:06:13 Yeah, like The Last Human on Earth arou- surrounded by machines and it's like you're just followed all day long-

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 And, and-

Eddie Huang 1:06:20 ... you're the last one.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 ... and it's... Here's the thing about artificial intelligence. This is one of the things that's most disturbing about things like ChatGPT, that it has very specific things that it won't discuss or talk about-... it's not like it's apolitical. It's very political. Like, it has, it's, it leans towards certain, uh, b- political ideas. It doesn't, it's not looking at just information objectively. Like, it has a, a very defined narrative for some people and some events and some things. They go, "Ooh, this like..." Who says this is true? Like, who says that's what that means? Like, you guys are saying that? Like, uh, uh, this is up for debate, like there's a lot going on with this. Like, it, uh- uh, it won't criticize certain people. Uh, you ask it to criticize certain people, it won't do it. But if you ask it to criticize Donald Trump, they'll, they'll go ham. You know? (swallows) It's-

Eddie Huang 1:07:11 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 ... well, this is Joe Biden-

Eddie Huang 1:07:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 ... and Jeffrey Epstein.

Eddie Huang 1:07:16 Epstein.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Is that real, though?

Narrator 1:07:17 No, no. I made it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 Oh, you just made it? Oh, I was like, "Jesus Christ."

Eddie Huang 1:07:21 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 Joe Biden looks so fake.

Narrator 1:07:22 You can make f-

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 ... weird pictures like that.

Eddie Huang 1:07:23 He kind of looks like Bill Clinton there almost.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Yeah, that looks like a fake Joe Biden. If th- if I saw that Joe Biden, I'd be like, "That one's... That's a fake one."

Narrator 1:07:30 Here's Bill Clinton DJing.

Eddie Huang 1:07:32 Oh, you... Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 That's amazing.

Eddie Huang 1:07:33 That's a good set.

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 That's what he should be doing.

Eddie Huang 1:07:35 Yeah. Fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Yeah, I just wanna party.

Narrator 1:07:38 He should be partying.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 He's old too.

Eddie Huang 1:07:39 That's what Obama, Obama's doing, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 Well, yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:07:41 Like, influencing.

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Yeah. Poor Bill.

Narrator 1:07:45 But you can make pics... You can b- start making everything, like that happen. Exactly what you're saying, though.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 Hm.

Narrator 1:07:52 It's all gonna be fake soon.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 It's all gonna be fake, and the video's gonna be fake, and the audio's gonna be fake. It's gonna be very difficult to discern. It's gonna be very, very, very, very strange very quickly. And (gasps) we're gonna get to a point where we have to wonder whether or not it's manipulating us in certain ways. And if it is, how long has this been going on? Like, is it possible that AI has existed in a sentient, but different form than ChatGPT, like some other form of AI? Has existed for a long time now, and maybe, maybe it has some sort of an effect on algorithms. Maybe it hasn't... Maybe it's f- uh, d- gathering data on people, trying to figure out, like, what are they interested and why are they interested in these things, and what, what's the best way to steer them-

Eddie Huang 1:08:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 ... in certain directions? It'd be wild if we found out it was around for a long time, like we have had artificial intelligence for 10 years.

Eddie Huang 1:08:46 Yeah, I just think artificial intelligence is the most, like, tragicomic thing I've ever seen. Because it's this gift that if we used it the right... It's literally like human life. If we... And we're playing with it. This is like digital life, right?

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:09:00 If you used it the right way, you could solve a lot of issues. Like, you know, AI could make things so much faster and more efficient, and, like, probably solve, help solve a lot of issues, like poverty and hunger. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:09:13 ... if you applied it to robots and machinery, and then, like we talked about way back in the day, like, universal basic income shit, right?

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 1:09:20 But then, what we're, what we've, humans, you've given it to us. And it's like a Monty Python movie, where humans are just using it distract each other and manipulate truth and reality. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 There's, there's a lot of that, but it's also just interfacing with something that's very interactive and very addictive.

Eddie Huang 1:09:36 And, and-

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 And it's-

Eddie Huang 1:09:37 ... it's showing, what we like to do is stare at ourselves-

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Huang 1:09:40 ... like vanity.

Joe Rogan 1:09:41 Vanity. Stare at ourselves and stare at other people doing stupid stuff. Stare at people that you lust after. Stare at cars that you lust after. Stare at houses that you lust after. Stare at watches that you lust after. And diamonds and fucking views and selfies in front of the ocean, like all that shit. It's, it's gathering data on us. And if I was an alien life form, and I wanted to really find out, like, what people are made of, I would just, uh, gathering all this fucking cellphone data, I'd be like, "Oh my god, they're crazy. (laughs) These people are crazy."

Eddie Huang 1:10:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 This is the wildest group of territorial primates-

Eddie Huang 1:10:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 ... (laughs) armed to the tits, woo, involved in border conflicts. Whoa! I ima- imagine if you came here from another planet, you're like, "Bro, this shit's about to get hot."

Eddie Huang 1:10:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 If you, if you were an alien, you came here, you're like, "What's going on over there? What's going on over here? Are these guys are involved, and they're sending money over to this to make this go against that? But this is losing, and this is winning. Oh my god. They have nuclear weapons? Oh my god."

Eddie Huang 1:10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 If you were from another planet, you just came for a visit, you'd be like, "Holy shit."

Eddie Huang 1:10:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 Holy shit.

Eddie Huang 1:10:52 It's the m- it's the funniest shit I've ever seen. Like, if you d- can just get your head 10,000 feet up, you... It goes back to our conversation. It's like, wait, maybe what we need is more fear and insecurity 'cause it made people purposeful. You know what I mean? Because, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:11:06 ... if you don't have fear and insecurity or a need to survive or, say, a genuine curiosity, which is a hard place to get to, then what do you have? Vanity, lust, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:11:16 Yeah.

Eddie Huang 1:11:16 ... procrastination? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 Yeah, that's, that's what Sebastian Junger said too, and he was... Uh, Peter Attia was on yesterday, and he was quoting Sebastian Junger, where, where, I guess one of his books, he talks about this thing that men are having now. The real problem with many men is that they, they don't experience real fear or danger in their life, and that is a very unusual thing, and it's never existed before. And it gives us... We lose a sense of