Joe Rogan Experience #1965 - David Choe

1. 0:00 – 6:21

   Choe’s Austin arrival: hugs, gifts, and instant city scouting

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. DCDavid Choe0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) (laughs)

   4. DCDavid Choe0:15

      Hey.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What's happening?

   6. DCDavid Choe0:16

      Can I give you a real hug? Like, I wanna get with you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah, you can give me a real hug. Sure.

   8. DCDavid Choe0:19

      Oh, I missed you. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What's happening? I miss you too. What's going on? It's great to see you.

   10. DCDavid Choe0:23

       Yeah. And, uh, I always like to give you a gift. Um, so this is my, like, shroom mates, you know, our connection through psychedelics.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       That's beautiful.

   12. DCDavid Choe0:33

       And, uh, and I added this one, train all day-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       (laughs)

   14. DCDavid Choe0:36

       ... JRE all night. And then I got the-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Oh, wow.

   16. DCDavid Choe0:41

       ... I got the mushroom guy. I got a mushroom playing a mushroom drum set with, like, some guy dunking on, you know...

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Nice.

   18. DCDavid Choe0:48

       I wanted to model it for you, but I wanna give it to you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Well, thank you very much.

   20. DCDavid Choe0:51

       I don't know if it'll fit, but...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I'm sure it'll fit.

   22. DCDavid Choe0:53

       There you go.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Thank you.

   24. DCDavid Choe0:54

       Yeah. There you go.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       And what is this fucking costume you're wearing underneath this? Jesus Christ.

   26. DCDavid Choe0:59

       Ah. Joe, um, I've been cruising Austin. All right, where do I begin with this?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       (laughs)

   28. DCDavid Choe1:08

       Okay. Where, where do I begin with this?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Where do you begin with this?

   30. DCDavid Choe1:13

       I touched down Austin yesterday. All right. This is what I... This... They're like-
2. 6:21 – 8:30

   Why Rogan left LA: COVID shutdowns, policing politics, and quality-of-life

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:21

      Yeah, I just, uh, you know, my, I just follow my instincts, and my instincts were, first of all, to get the fuck outta LA. I felt like it was just gonna get worse.

   2. DCDavid Choe6:29

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:29

      I felt like the way the government is run there, they're, they're just drinking the same poison that got them sick, and they're not gonna change. And w- after all that defund the police shit, and the, the chaos of shutting all the restaurants and bars and everything down from COVID for, like, a fucking year and a half, I was like, "You people are incompetent. And you're not gonna ruin my life. I'm gonna go someplace where you're more free."

   4. DCDavid Choe6:52

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      And this was the first place that we went in May of 2020.

   6. DCDavid Choe6:56

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      And my kids loved it, and my, my wife loved it, and I was like, "Let's go. Let's fucking move."

   8. DCDavid Choe7:02

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:02

      So a couple months later, I was here.

   10. DCDavid Choe7:04

       And, and you don't, you don't seem to come back that often to LA.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       I don't like it.

   12. DCDavid Choe7:08

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       I don't like going back.

   14. DCDavid Choe7:09

       It feels, it feels shitty when I'm landing. Um-

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       It's too many people, man. I think when you get too many people in an area, you devalue people. You, you don't appreciate them as much.

   16. DCDavid Choe7:19

       Oh, absolutely.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       They become a hindrance.

   18. DCDavid Choe7:20

       I have a ... I live in a pretty nice neighborhood in LA. I have a bat, a baseball bat. I'm not an athletic person. I have a baseball bat in my house that's never hit a baseball. It's only hit human flesh. Like (laughs) -

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       (laughs)

   20. DCDavid Choe7:32

       ... it's like, it's like insane. If I, like, forget to close my garage one night, there's junkies in there, and I'm, I'm just like, maybe Austin is a nice starter place, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to, like, get out, get out. Like, I'm looking in South America-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Montana.

   22. DCDavid Choe7:48

       I'm looking in, um, Asia, I'm looking in New Zealand.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Oh, shit.

   24. DCDavid Choe7:51

       I'm looking in Africa.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Jesus.

   26. DCDavid Choe7:53

       Yeah, like, so, I mean-

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       Costa Rica?

   28. DCDavid Choe7:56

       Costa Rica, for sure. Like, um ... Yeah, 'cause I just ... You're right, that whole thing about things being too populated ... Oh, and I have to, like, before we, like, get into it, like, I have to ... Like, you came on my podcast, like, 15 years, something, I, I don't-

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       Something crazy.

   30. DCDavid Choe8:16

       Something, like way in the early, early pod days. And it was like ... So, and I've done your podcast a few times now, so it's like, I remember when it was live and I would leave your studio, and as soon as I left people would be like, "Yo, that was great."
3. 8:30 – 11:50

   The Hadza ripple effect: viral clips, donations, and culture-saving attention

   1. DCDavid Choe8:30

      I was like, "Oh, shit, dude." So I always knew you had impact. But to come on your show, the last time I came on, like, 2, 3 years ago, it's like standing on a soapbox with a microphone in front of the whole world. Like, in three years, like, not a day has gone by where someone doesn't say something nice or say, "Hey man, like, I was gonna kill myself, and I heard that episode, and, and it's like, you changed my life." And I'm like, "Uh, okay, thank ..." It feels weird, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:55

      It's weird.

   3. DCDavid Choe8:55

      But in the way, I mean, Jimmy, you could talk about it, with, like, we do, you do the show, and then you chop it up into, like, clips, right? There's people out there that chop it into, like, TikToks and reels, and w- there's one where I talk about the Hadza tribe, the hunter-gatherer tribe, that has 30 million views. And I don't know what that monetizes into for, like, YouTube or whatever, but I think it's, like, it's like 10, 50, 60 grand. So it's like, the words are the int- like, you can, like, just, this is it. (laughs) Like, someone could get rich just, like, talking and doing this shit. And so after, after doing that show, and I'm, I'm just telling th- like, my journey to Africa and how I felt being with this hunter-gatherer tribe, it, like, literally saved their lives. Like, like, the money that came in, the amount of people that donated to the Hadza, uh, the Maleke Foundation, the, you know, the foundation, people are calling me saying, "W- what's happening right now?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:55

      (gasps)

   5. DCDavid Choe9:55

      There's so ... And like, this is, like, clean water for them, this is, like, you know, education, clothes, like, all these things, and I'm like, "Wow, you talk about something on Joe Rogan and it could, like, save a culture," you know? And, and there was so much, um, like, the influencers that went out there, the guy with the red headband that eats all the crazy shit went out there, the Liver King went out there.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:17

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. DCDavid Choe10:18

      Logan Paul, I have never met the guy, calls me like, "Bro, take me to Tanzania." Like, so there's, like, insane, like ... And if you guys are doing that, like, please, however money, much money you're making from getting those views, like all those views have, like, all those videos have, like, millions of views. Please, uh, donate back to the Hadza, 'cause, like, they need it. But yeah, I mean, the, uh, Rasuli, Shawnee, the guys that I, I know out there, are like, "The tourism is, is, is great," so it's, like, a thriving thing, just 'cause I talked about it, and, uh, um, and, like, going off what you said, like, um, I helped make a film, I was the cameraman on this film called We Are Hadza. If anyone out there wants ... I, I just helped make it. It's just, like, the best documentary. It's like the first beginning to end baboon hunt and then skinning it, eating it, th- like, you feel like you're living that lifestyle. So I'm not trying to be like Harrison Ford in, like, uh, Mosquito Coast, but, like, I think, uh, Austin is a good buffer for the family, and then eventually I do want to fully go to kind of like ... I'm, I'm, who am I kidding? Like, not fully hunter-gatherer, but, like, fully, like, a culture where it's, like, not that many people, I know who all my neighbors are.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      Mm.

   9. DCDavid Choe11:37

      I'm living, like, half, like, city life and half, like, there. So things are starting to steer towards going back to Africa for me.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Wow.

   11. DCDavid Choe11:46

       I mean, I'm not even close yet, I'm just saying, like, um, I remem-

4. 11:50 – 16:26

   Africa’s lesson on presence: making art, letting it go, and rejecting monetization anxiety

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:50

      What, what was it about it that spoke to you so much that you wanna be there more often?

   2. DCDavid Choe11:54

      Um, well, like, art ... I'm an artist, right? And art is about expression and creating, but if you're saying I'm a professional artist, th- at some point, there has to be a conversation about business, monetization, making money. And, you know, we could get into all the AI shit, which is crazy, but, um-... you know, I go, I go to Africa with the ego of, like, "I'm an important artist," you know? Like, and I'm gonna, like... So I- I- my backpack is mostly art supplies, right? And I get there, and there's a cave that we're living in for, like, a few weeks. And, like, you know, if the weather's nice, we sit and sleep on top of the cave, and if it's, you know, really raining or something, we sleep under the cave. And in the daytime when, like, the real men are, like, hunting, I'm like, "I'll give art lessons to the kids," you know? And because the kids have no art training, they're just raw, you know? They're just... And it's just what they s- th- here's a bow and arrow, and they're just drawing, like... And the drawings are, like, amazing, and I'm drawing them. In my mind I'm like, "These are going to be like museum pieces," or, like, "I'm gonna archive them when I get home and put out a book and, like, donate all the money back to them." And, um, so we spend the whole day drawing, and I'm like, "These are, like, some of the best pieces of art I've ever..." Because it was fun. It was, like, in nature. It's with these guys that are not trained, you know? And as s- and I'm looking at it, and I'm, like, holding it like this not to, like, s- you know, smudge it or anything, and they're like, "Yeah." And then the- the tribe comes back, they're covered in blood, they, you know, they got a animal, and I'm like, "Look at this art we made." And they're like, "Oh, that's cool," and we're on top of the cave, and they're like, "Cool." And they throw it off the cave, and I go, "Wait, (laughs) wait!" And I'm like, "Wait, what are you doing with that? I could've..." And I go, "Oh yeah, hunter get-..." Like, they don't have anything. Yeah. They, they don't... Like, what do they have, a flat file out there? (laughs) Like ... And I was like, "Hol- ..." Like, it just hit me so hard in that moment. They're so present. It's not about, like, "Oh, I'm, I'm living in the moment and then I gotta, like, go home and edit it and, like, you know, do..." It's just like, we did it, we love it, and bye-bye. It's a piece of paper in the wind now. (laughs) And I was like, "Ugh." You know, and there was one that I drew, like, you know, and I ha- I had it sketched and I was, like, spending a lot of time. I was like, "Uh, uh, I'm gonna try to..." (laughs) And I threw it off the cliff, and I was like, "More of this." Like, more of this. Like, I want this thing where you just live and it is what it is, and less, like, anxiety, stress, "How am I gonna make money off this?" And, and I, uh, it's just they're so happy. And look, I spent a lot, a lot of time with them, and I go back as much as I can, um, so yeah. To, to, to see them, like, you know, all the YouTubers that went out there, and I'm like, "Oh, there's, there's Seany and, and Nona and Gonkida," and I'm like, "Fuck, they're like s- many celebrities now." Um, ah, I mean, I don't know. Like, I feel like every time I go back to Africa, whether it's, like, Congo or Tanzania, which are, like, two completely (laughs) different, you know... Um, I remember when I went to the Congo the first time, I was 19, 18, in 1995. That was when you filmed that thing for VICE where you were looking for dinosaurs? No, the, the first time I went is when I went to look for the dinosaur f- by myself, and then VICE saw that I wrote a article about that, and they sent me back, like, 10 years later when I was 20, 25 or something. Really? But I remember f- finding a missionary deep, deep, deep in the jungle, and he's like, "Bro, you think you're the first one?" And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "You think you're the first, like, lost soul that's come here looking for dinosaurs?" And I'm like, I'm like, "I'm not," and he's like, he's like, "I've been here for 20 years, like, living with these people. Like, every five years, a weirdo like you comes through." (laughs) "And do you think you're really looking for the dinosaur?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm looking for a dinosaur." He's like, "No, you're looking for something else. You're either running from something else or you're looking for some kind of meaning in your life that you can't find, so this is... You've pushed yourself to, to this, you know?" And I'm like, "Fuck, dude. You trying to get deep with me, bro?" (laughs) So, um, so yeah, I mean, I, I go back to Africa, and, like... It's hard for me to talk about this stuff without, like, sounding cringe or, um, people,

5. 16:26 – 20:08

   Life as a video game: religion, money, sex, and the ‘final quest’ of spirituality

   1. DCDavid Choe16:26

      um... I don't know. It's like, let's look at life, um, as a video game, right? Like, as someone who was, like, heavily, heavily addicted to video games and, like, born s- in- into a super, super Christian kind of background, right? Like... Or if, if you are in any kind of, like, strict, uh, religi- organized religion growing up, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, whatever, um, it's kinda like being born into a video game 'cause it's like th- it's, it's very binary, right? There's heaven and hell, especially if it's Christian. And so you have to live a certain way, you gotta get a certain amount of points to have everlasting love, you know, peace, joy, and then if you don't, wah-wah-wah-wah. Yeah. (laughs) Like, you're fucked. And you're, "Okay, for how long? How much before I can re- Forever. S- like, forever, and you're like, "Wait, that's a long, that's a long time," you know? And I'm like, "Fuck, man." Um, and so I, I don't, I don't subscribe to any organized religion. I, I consider myself a spiritual person. But, like, without making light or, or trying to be disrespectful, like, if... The things that I tried to f- um, figure out like a, like a game, like a video game, was sex, money, power, right? Like, as an artist, I had subscribed to the starving artist, like, type, right? I was like, Top Ramen, you know, holes in your clothes, like, like, homeless, like... (laughs) I was like, "That is what a real artist is," until I met a successful artist, until I, I was like, "Oh, shit," like? "You can have a manager and an agent and an office, and, like, you can, like, not starve and..." And I remember at that point I was in my early 20s. I was like, "Man, people sure, like, talk about money a lot, right?" Like, it seems to be, like, this thing that causes a lot of problems in marriages and business, and I go-... it doesn't seem that hard to me, as some- and I'm saying this as a guy in my 20s that's poor. I'm like, "What if I just, like, try to be as rich as possible for the next 10 years, or five years? Like, what if that's my singular focus?" And so, I did it and it, you know, it was a lot of work but, like, the video game for, of money is over for me now, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. DCDavid Choe18:42

      Like, I, like, at every industry, gambling, the stock market, um, like even, like, people go, "Oh, that's like this Korean Forrest Gump and he just, he was like this, um, like this, uh, homeless guy that, (laughs) like, that got lucky with Facebook." I'm like, "That was, like, a lot of work to make that happen," you know? Um, and I was already w- kind of wealthy when I, when I made that deal, but people like to tell that story. So, I made millions of dollars gambling, I made millions of dollars with my art, I made millions of dollars with Facebook and it, it was a lot of hard work but I'm like, it's kinda, if I wanted to... You tell me how cringe I'm, I s- I sound (laughs) and I'll just stop, but I'm like, it's not gonna be that hard for me to become a billionaire at a certain level, right? Like, I've amassed hundreds of millions, I'm like, if that's my goal now, if that's my video game. And then, I know billionaires, I mean, Sean Parker and Mark being the most... But I know tons of, like, secret billionaires, right? And I go, "I don't want any of their lives. (laughs) I don't want-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:45

      Right.

   5. DCDavid Choe19:45

      ... "I don't want any of, like, I like-"

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:47

      But it's just money. You don't have to have their life-

   7. DCDavid Choe19:50

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:50

      ... to, to have money.

   9. DCDavid Choe19:52

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       And you don't have to think about money if you have it.

   11. DCDavid Choe19:54

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       Th- the problem with money is pe- people become obsessed with it because it's so difficult to attain (clears throat) and there's so much societal value-

   13. DCDavid Choe20:02

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       ... put on being wealthy-

   15. DCDavid Choe20:03

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       ... that it becomes the thing, instead of a thing.

6. 20:08 – 35:53

   Billion-dollar fantasies and refusing the art market: ‘Everything is free now’

   1. DCDavid Choe20:08

      I mean, I have, I have a friend that has like, hundreds of billions of dollars and (laughs) -

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:13

      Hundreds of billions?

   3. DCDavid Choe20:14

      Hundreds of billions. Like, one of the, you know...

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:17

      I have one too.

   5. DCDavid Choe20:18

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:18

      (laughs)

   7. DCDavid Choe20:19

      Yeah. And you, you know how weird those guys are, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:22

      They're weird guys. (laughs)

   9. DCDavid Choe20:23

      And, and I'm pretty close with him. He's not just like a, you know. And I said, we were having dinner and I was like, "I'm feeling confident." I was like, "Give me one." He's like, "What?" I was like, "Give me one." So-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       One billion?

   11. DCDavid Choe20:36

       And he's like, "I don't understand." (laughs) Yeah. I was like, "Gimme 1 billion."

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       (laughs)

   13. DCDavid Choe20:39

       And he's like... I was like, "Motherfucker, you know I don't need it. Like, you know I'm not gonna go buy cars and houses." He's like, "What do you wanna, what do you wanna do with that?" He's like, "Dave, I don't know if you know how money works. You don't just go up to someone and ask them for a billion." I go, "Motherfucker, I just did." And he's like, "Well, do you have a plan? Are you gonna show me charts and graphs?" And I was like, "No. It's all gonna be instinct. I will take that one billion..." And he's like, "Dude, you gotta come to me with, like... I'm not saying no, but you gotta have a better, you know?"

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       A plan?

   15. DCDavid Choe21:08

       "You gotta, you gotta, you gotta ha- like, how are you gonna..." I go, "I promise you, I will s- spend it, like, like, the most irresponsible possible. Like, it'll be, like, exactly..." 'Cause most of these people that have billions are, like, geniuses and they spent, everything is down to a fraction and they, they just grind and crunch numbers in their brain, and that's not how I think. I think very abstract, I think... And I go, "I'm gonna do stuff that, on paper, makes absolutely no sense, and I promise you I will change the planet with that money. Like, I'm gonna do shit that..." And then he was like, he was, he didn't say no but he was thinking it over and he's like, "Dude, there's like, there's no way, like, my money guys are gonna do this."

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       (laughs)

   17. DCDavid Choe21:45

       And then I sat there and I thought about it, 'cause money is power. I was like, "Dude, I don't want a billion dollars. I don't want that responsibility." And ultimately he was like, "Eh, no." And I was like, "Thank you." (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       So just a wild thought.

   19. DCDavid Choe21:56

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:57

       Spontaneous.

   21. DCDavid Choe21:57

       Yeah. If he had given it to me, he would've f- he would've fuck- I would've been like those weird people. I was like, "I don't wanna touch that. I don't wanna touch that."

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:04

       You would've, you would've tried it out for a while.

   23. DCDavid Choe22:06

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:06

       You would've tried it out for a while and then you would've gone back to being you.

   25. DCDavid Choe22:09

       Right. And then, so, so that has, that game of, that video game of money has no-

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Mm-hmm.

   27. DCDavid Choe22:16

       ... no, um, it's not fun for me anymore 'cause I've, I've... So years ago, like 2009 was my last art show where I actually sold stuff for money and, uh, and I didn't feel good. It was like, the, my gallerist, Steve Lazarides, is like, "Banksy's, Banksy's, uh, guy." And he's like, "Cho, like, you're on fire. Street art's on fire right now. Like, what do you wanna do?" I go, "It's gonna be in LA. It has to be in LA. It has to be on Rodeo Drive. Like, it has to be on the most expensive street in the world and I want, like, every celebrity there and like..." You know? And so, it did, it happened. And so it's like, it was a show in Beverly Hills. All the celebrities came, all the fancy people came. I sold all the art and the next day I didn't feel any different. And, and then at that point the artist gets objectified to, like, just, "I got a Basquiat, I got a Cho, I got a Banksy."

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       Right, right.

   29. DCDavid Choe23:09

       And I'm like, I'm... Like, the guy that's buying my art that can afford it, he doesn't care about the art. He just wants to, like it's a dick contest, right? He just wants-

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:17

       Mm-hmm.
7. 35:53 – 40:41

   Primal reality on film: baboon hunts, primate taboo, and ethics of survival

   1. DCDavid Choe35:53

      She's... Yeah, I mean... I was immediately drawn to them. I'll put it- They reached out. I'll put it like this, Joe. Like what is America's appetite or, or, um, to see like... It's not, you're not gonna see it in the trailer, but like they catch a pregnant baboon, right? They rip the belly open. The baby, the fetus of the baboon falls out, and the second it hits the ground, ten dogs tear it to pieces.

   2. JRJoe Rogan36:22

      Oof.

   3. DCDavid Choe36:22

      And then they love the protein, or what's it, what's the brain made out of? Like, um...... but, like, it's, that's, uh, I'm not a nutrition... That's, like, they know, like, they c- the instinctually they know that it has, like, fat or something in it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:41

      Yeah, has a lot of fat.

   5. DCDavid Choe36:41

      So it's, like, the delicacy. Like, the, the animal, like, looks human. Then they tear through it and, like, I go in a cave and it's white, right? The brain is, like, white and gray. And I shine a flashlight because I hear like (growling) I hear that noise. And I turn the flashlight on and I see, like, (laughs) like, 10 dudes, like, fighting each other to, like, scoop as much brain and there's white shit all over their face. And then as they drop the skulls on the ground, there's a baby playing drums on the, on the baboon skull heads. And I'm like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan37:11

      (exhales) .

   7. DCDavid Choe37:11

      ... this is the cr- this is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. And I don't know if this is a ex- this is how people survive.

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:18

      Yes.

   9. DCDavid Choe37:19

      But I don't know if that's just too much. I, I don't know if people are gonna-

   10. JRJoe Rogan37:23

       I don't think it's too much. It's, it's real. And, you know, that, that's how those people have been surviving for a long time and it's, it's natural. As bizarre as it seems, it's natural.

   11. DCDavid Choe37:34

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan37:34

       'Cause we have a really hard time with people eating primates.

   13. DCDavid Choe37:38

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan37:38

       You know, my friend, Steve Rinella, he filmed a show in South America and, um, uh, he was with this, uh, hunter-gatherer tribe in South America. I forget what the na- you know, see if you can find the name of the tribe. I think they're in Guyana.

   15. DCDavid Choe37:54

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan37:55

       And, um, they killed a monkey and ate it, and he had some of the monkey. And i- it was like, it's very, it's, you're very conflicted. It's very strange.

   17. DCDavid Choe38:03

       Well, it, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan38:05

       It's a primate. I mean, it's, it's like ve- like imagine if you were in a different world, right? And just imagine this.

   19. DCDavid Choe38:13

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan38:13

       And you go to a place where there's a friendly group of cannibals, and they have been hunting one-

   21. DCDavid Choe38:20

       (clears throat)

   22. JRJoe Rogan38:20

       ... specific type of person. Maybe, like, pale skin, blonde people are the most delicious.

   23. DCDavid Choe38:28

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan38:28

       And they just chase down these, you know, these kind of savage looking, pale skinned, blonde haired people and cook them and eat them. They don't eat anybody else.

   25. DCDavid Choe38:41

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan38:41

       They just eat pale, blonde-

   27. DCDavid Choe38:43

       Albinos.

   28. JRJoe Rogan38:43

       Yeah.

   29. DCDavid Choe38:44

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan38:44

       Just p- and these people are wild looking people, they're wearing, like, leaves over their dicks.
8. 40:41 – 50:30

   Cannibal loopholes & placenta smoothies: shock humor meets health obsession

   1. DCDavid Choe40:41

      ... "There's, there's nutrition in that too." I'm like, "Holy fuck," you know? And then, um, there is a, a serial killer, a Japanese serial killer that wrote a book about which human, like, he's like, "French people are buttery." Ja-, like, like, did you, you know that, you know what I'm tal- talking about, Jamie? There's, like, that dude... And speaking as a cannibal myself, like, I don't know culturally, I don't know if you did this when your kids were born, like, there's cultures that eat the placenta, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan41:11

      I did not, but I, my uncle did it.

   3. DCDavid Choe41:13

      So am I cannibal if I eat the placenta? I mean, I'm eating-

   4. JRJoe Rogan41:16

      Uh, well, sort of.

   5. DCDavid Choe41:19

      This guy?

   6. JRJoe Rogan41:20

      Yeah, that guy.

   7. DCDavid Choe41:20

      Yeah, and then he talks about, like, how different races ta- taste different.

   8. JRJoe Rogan41:23

      That guy goes on TV and jokes around about-

   9. DCDavid Choe41:26

      It's crazy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan41:26

       ... and pretends to bite people. Like, he, he killed someone and ate them, right?

   11. DCDavid Choe41:30

       Yeah, a lot. He, like, he ate, like, two French girls, I think. I don't know. I just-

   12. JRJoe Rogan41:34

       How was he out on the street? He killed his friend, Renee Harte- Hartevelt, and ate her remains, yet he's free to walk the streets to this day. Like, how is that possible? Do they just have different ways of prosecuting people in Japan and-

   13. DCDavid Choe41:49

       I mean, (laughs) you know what?

   14. JRJoe Rogan41:51

       He's reformed? You're gonna say he's reformed?

   15. NANarrator41:53

       Psychiatric hospital loophole.

   16. DCDavid Choe41:55

       Oh, loophole. He-

   17. JRJoe Rogan41:56

       Jesus Christ though, dude. I mean, that, that is a crazy situation. So this guy killed a woman and ate her, and he's just wandering around amongst us.

   18. NANarrator42:04

       He even starred in a softcore porn where he reenacts and bites actors.

   19. JRJoe Rogan42:08

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   20. DCDavid Choe42:10

       Wow. So yeah, I mean...

   21. JRJoe Rogan42:11

       Ch- look at this, "And throughout his life, he's been chillingly unrepentant."

   22. DCDavid Choe42:15

       Yeah, like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan42:15

       "When he discusses his crime, it's as if he believes it's the most natural thing in the world and he plans to do it again." Jesus Christ, man.

   24. DCDavid Choe42:23

       He wrote manga about it?

   25. JRJoe Rogan42:24

       Jesus Christ, that guy's wandering around saying he's gonna do it again?

   26. DCDavid Choe42:28

       Well, OJ's walking around. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan42:30

       But OJ lies at least.

   28. DCDavid Choe42:31

       (laughs) I know, that's true.

   29. JRJoe Rogan42:34

       Um-

   30. DCDavid Choe42:34

       Um, but, but yeah, I-
9. 50:30 – 1:00:10

   What people need is community: from abusive ‘accountability’ trainers to third spaces

   1. DCDavid Choe50:30

      All right, so... Okay, this is... You're the perfect guy to... You know. You know I'm a... Like you've offered to give me honest shit, but I just buy all of that stuff anyways. Like in the same way with the oxy- oxygenated pool, there's like... You live a life very similar to mine where sometimes we meet people and they go, "Hey man, if I had your money, this is what I would do," right? They tell you what they would do, right? So, at one point, I'm sitting there winning the video game of money and I go... You've been... You- you came to my warehouse years ago, right? Like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan51:02

      Yeah.

   3. DCDavid Choe51:03

      I'm like... I had this like 20,000, 30,000 square f-

   4. JRJoe Rogan51:06

      Dope spot downtown. That was dope.

   5. DCDavid Choe51:08

      But I- but I was like, "Dude."

   6. JRJoe Rogan51:09

      I was like, "Damn, this is how famous artists should live."

   7. DCDavid Choe51:11

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan51:11

      This is fucking badass. It was badass. I was like, "Yeah. That's..." 'Cause if I went over your house and it was like IKEA furniture or some shit, it would be so boring. You know? But you lived exactly how like I would hope that you lived.

   9. DCDavid Choe51:24

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan51:24

       (laughs)

   11. DCDavid Choe51:24

       And I loved it. I bought every car that I want... I- I- I just got everything I wanted. And I said there's something that... You know, so as a rich guy, I should have the best everything, so I... Because I want to live, you know, the longest. So I had state-of-the-art gy... And I think this is 15 years ago or- or more, like you're the first person to ever t- tell me about float tank. You're like, "Here's my float tank guy." I had the float tank. I had the UV spa. I had everything. I had the ice bath, all the shit. I had the s- the best, most expensive weights. The smoothie that I'm having every morning is like $1,000. I don't know if it's 1,000, but it has placenta, human placenta.

   12. JRJoe Rogan52:01

       Jesus.

   13. DCDavid Choe52:02

       It has two eggs, shell on, not washed.

   14. JRJoe Rogan52:05

       Whoa.

   15. DCDavid Choe52:05

       Banana, banana sticker on.

   16. JRJoe Rogan52:07

       Shell on, not washed?

   17. DCDavid Choe52:08

       Shell on. I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger do it, so...

   18. JRJoe Rogan52:11

       Uh.

   19. DCDavid Choe52:12

       Um, banana peel on, like a whole bitter melon.

   20. JRJoe Rogan52:15

       Wow.

   21. DCDavid Choe52:15

       Like the most disgusting shake ever, like every single powder at Erewhon that costs like $100. The $300, like, uh, honey, the Manuka honey, uh, Siberian cedar pine oil. Like every single thing that someone says is good, I... It tastes like shit and I just down it. And I- I have like the $600 trainer that shows up to my house. And I realize like... It was kind of like I'm- I'm gonna live long and be healthy, but it felt lonely. I'm paying a guy to be here. Um, and like the thing that I was missing in my life was accountability 'cause there's no accou- Like, I'm like, "I want a life where I have no accountability." I want to be like a kid. I want to be Robin Hood or, uh, Peter Pan forever. And so people were like, "Oh, if... Money will keep you accountable. If you're paying someone 600 bucks an hour, like you're definitely going to show up to that appointment." I'm like, "No, I'm not."

   22. JRJoe Rogan53:07

       (laughs)

   23. DCDavid Choe53:07

       Um, so I found this guy, this rogue trainer that like... M- my friend was like, "I know a guy." And I was like, "W- well, what's this guy... Like, the money thing is not gonna..." He's like, "He hits you." And I was like, "What?"

   24. JRJoe Rogan53:20

       Hits you?

   25. DCDavid Choe53:20

       Yeah, he hits you. You got to sign a contract and stuff. And it's like, "Are you okay?" Um, 'cause this is... And he only like has like three clients and they're all super real.

   26. JRJoe Rogan53:29

       (laughs) Throw him in the hospital.

   27. DCDavid Choe53:30

       Yeah. He's like, "You will do... You will get into shape, but you have to sign this thing that says I'm allowed to come over to your h... You have to give me a key to your house."

   28. JRJoe Rogan53:38

       Oh, my God.

   29. DCDavid Choe53:38

       And so like... And for someone like me who likes pain, I'm like, "I don't give a fuck," you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan53:42

       (laughs)
10. 1:00:10 – 1:12:59

    Acting, fame, and fandom: why Rogan quit acting & Choe’s Star Wars graffiti cameo

    1. DCDavid Choe1:00:10

       Um, dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this, because, uh, people that don't know this about Joe Rogan, you used to be an actor.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       Well, I've done some acting. I wasn't very good at it. I was good at sitcom acting. I never did, like, real acting.

    3. DCDavid Choe1:00:27

       No, you went- you went hard, like on- on, uh, News Radio-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Ah.

    5. DCDavid Choe1:00:30

       ... and, like, th-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       But that's... Sitcom acting's not hard, man. It's, like, the hardest shit is, like, Daniel Day-Lewis, Joaquin Phoenix acting.

    7. DCDavid Choe1:00:39

       Okay.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       That's hard acting. But, like, just playing a guy and saying a funny line-

    9. DCDavid Choe1:00:43

       So, you don't act anymore?

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

        ... it's pretty easy. No, no, no, no, no, no.

    11. DCDavid Choe1:00:45

        And, like, there's no project that you would come back to?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

        I'm not interested in it. It's just-

    13. DCDavid Choe1:00:49

        So, like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

        ... like, it's okay.

    15. DCDavid Choe1:00:49

        ... Scorsese or anybody-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

        I love it. It's just not a- it's not a- a negative on acting. I mean, I've appreciate- I love movies, you know. I love great acting. I just don't like to do it.

    17. DCDavid Choe1:00:58

        All right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

        It's just too many hours. It takes too long, it's not what I'm interested in. You know? I'm, I'm more interested in podcasts and standup, and I don't have enough time to do anything else, other than UFC commentary.

    19. DCDavid Choe1:01:11

        So, there's no project you can think of?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

        I'm just not interested.

    21. DCDavid Choe1:01:14

        If it was, like, a one-day shoot, or something?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

        Eh, it's great.

    23. DCDavid Choe1:01:17

        Wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

        Yeah. It's, I just, uh, there's other, uh, yeah, I don't wanna play baseball either. It doesn't mean I hate baseball. I'm just not interested.

    25. DCDavid Choe1:01:26

        Okay. Well-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

        Like, I don't want to do anything, l- l- l- like, just because it's a job, you know?

    27. DCDavid Choe1:01:34

        So-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

        And that's what it would be.

    29. DCDavid Choe1:01:35

        ... so last time I came on here, I was like ... or maybe in private I've always told you, like, le- a little less with the UFC stuff, and maybe, like, try to get into painting. And you're like, "I'm not interested in painting unless, you know, I don't do anything halfway." Like, I wanna go in, go in, right?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:17:31