Joe Rogan Experience #1965 - David Choe

1. 0:00 – 6:21

   Choe’s psychedelic-themed gift and immediate Austin culture shock

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. DCDavid Choe0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) (laughs)

   4. DCDavid Choe0:15

      Hey.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What's happening?

   6. DCDavid Choe0:16

      Can I give you a real hug? Like, I wanna get with you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah, you can give me a real hug. Sure.

   8. DCDavid Choe0:19

      Oh, I missed you. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What's happening? I miss you too. What's going on? It's great to see you.

   10. DCDavid Choe0:23

       Yeah. And, uh, I always like to give you a gift. Um, so this is my, like, shroom mates, you know, our connection through psychedelics.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       That's beautiful.

   12. DCDavid Choe0:33

       And, uh, and I added this one, train all day-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       (laughs)

   14. DCDavid Choe0:36

       ... JRE all night. And then I got the-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Oh, wow.

   16. DCDavid Choe0:41

       ... I got the mushroom guy. I got a mushroom playing a mushroom drum set with, like, some guy dunking on, you know...

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Nice.

   18. DCDavid Choe0:48

       I wanted to model it for you, but I wanna give it to you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Well, thank you very much.

   20. DCDavid Choe0:51

       I don't know if it'll fit, but...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I'm sure it'll fit.

   22. DCDavid Choe0:53

       There you go.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Thank you.

   24. DCDavid Choe0:54

       Yeah. There you go.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       And what is this fucking costume you're wearing underneath this? Jesus Christ.

   26. DCDavid Choe0:59

       Ah. Joe, um, I've been cruising Austin. All right, where do I begin with this?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       (laughs)

   28. DCDavid Choe1:08

       Okay. Where, where do I begin with this?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Where do you begin with this?

   30. DCDavid Choe1:13

       I touched down Austin yesterday. All right. This is what I... This... They're like-
2. 6:21 – 7:20

   Why Joe left LA: freedom, governance, and quality of life

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:21

      Yeah, I just, uh, you know, my, I just follow my instincts, and my instincts were, first of all, to get the fuck outta LA. I felt like it was just gonna get worse.

   2. DCDavid Choe6:29

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:29

      I felt like the way the government is run there, they're, they're just drinking the same poison that got them sick, and they're not gonna change. And w- after all that defund the police shit, and the, the chaos of shutting all the restaurants and bars and everything down from COVID for, like, a fucking year and a half, I was like, "You people are incompetent. And you're not gonna ruin my life. I'm gonna go someplace where you're more free."

   4. DCDavid Choe6:52

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      And this was the first place that we went in May of 2020.

   6. DCDavid Choe6:56

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      And my kids loved it, and my, my wife loved it, and I was like, "Let's go. Let's fucking move."

   8. DCDavid Choe7:02

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:02

      So a couple months later, I was here.

   10. DCDavid Choe7:04

       And, and you don't, you don't seem to come back that often to LA.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       I don't like it.

   12. DCDavid Choe7:08

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       I don't like going back.

   14. DCDavid Choe7:09

       It feels, it feels shitty when I'm landing. Um-

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       It's too many people, man. I think when you get too many people in an area, you devalue people. You, you don't appreciate them as much.

   16. DCDavid Choe7:19

       Oh, absolutely.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       They become a hindrance.

3. 7:20 – 11:50

   Choe on LA danger, escape fantasies, and the Hadza impact from a viral clip

   1. DCDavid Choe7:20

      I have a ... I live in a pretty nice neighborhood in LA. I have a bat, a baseball bat. I'm not an athletic person. I have a baseball bat in my house that's never hit a baseball. It's only hit human flesh. Like (laughs) -

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:32

      (laughs)

   3. DCDavid Choe7:32

      ... it's like, it's like insane. If I, like, forget to close my garage one night, there's junkies in there, and I'm, I'm just like, maybe Austin is a nice starter place, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to, like, get out, get out. Like, I'm looking in South America-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:48

      Montana.

   5. DCDavid Choe7:48

      I'm looking in, um, Asia, I'm looking in New Zealand.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      Oh, shit.

   7. DCDavid Choe7:51

      I'm looking in Africa.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:52

      Jesus.

   9. DCDavid Choe7:53

      Yeah, like, so, I mean-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       Costa Rica?

   11. DCDavid Choe7:56

       Costa Rica, for sure. Like, um ... Yeah, 'cause I just ... You're right, that whole thing about things being too populated ... Oh, and I have to, like, before we, like, get into it, like, I have to ... Like, you came on my podcast, like, 15 years, something, I, I don't-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       Something crazy.

   13. DCDavid Choe8:16

       Something, like way in the early, early pod days. And it was like ... So, and I've done your podcast a few times now, so it's like, I remember when it was live and I would leave your studio, and as soon as I left people would be like, "Yo, that was great."

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       (laughs)

   15. DCDavid Choe8:30

       I was like, "Oh, shit, dude." So I always knew you had impact. But to come on your show, the last time I came on, like, 2, 3 years ago, it's like standing on a soapbox with a microphone in front of the whole world. Like, in three years, like, not a day has gone by where someone doesn't say something nice or say, "Hey man, like, I was gonna kill myself, and I heard that episode, and, and it's like, you changed my life." And I'm like, "Uh, okay, thank ..." It feels weird, right?

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       It's weird.

   17. DCDavid Choe8:55

       But in the way, I mean, Jimmy, you could talk about it, with, like, we do, you do the show, and then you chop it up into, like, clips, right? There's people out there that chop it into, like, TikToks and reels, and w- there's one where I talk about the Hadza tribe, the hunter-gatherer tribe, that has 30 million views. And I don't know what that monetizes into for, like, YouTube or whatever, but I think it's, like, it's like 10, 50, 60 grand. So it's like, the words are the int- like, you can, like, just, this is it. (laughs) Like, someone could get rich just, like, talking and doing this shit. And so after, after doing that show, and I'm, I'm just telling th- like, my journey to Africa and how I felt being with this hunter-gatherer tribe, it, like, literally saved their lives. Like, like, the money that came in, the amount of people that donated to the Hadza, uh, the Maleke Foundation, the, you know, the foundation, people are calling me saying, "W- what's happening right now?"

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       (gasps)

   19. DCDavid Choe9:55

       There's so ... And like, this is, like, clean water for them, this is, like, you know, education, clothes, like, all these things, and I'm like, "Wow, you talk about something on Joe Rogan and it could, like, save a culture," you know? And, and there was so much, um, like, the influencers that went out there, the guy with the red headband that eats all the crazy shit went out there, the Liver King went out there.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:17

       Yeah. (laughs)

   21. DCDavid Choe10:18

       Logan Paul, I have never met the guy, calls me like, "Bro, take me to Tanzania." Like, so there's, like, insane, like ... And if you guys are doing that, like, please, however money, much money you're making from getting those views, like all those views have, like, all those videos have, like, millions of views. Please, uh, donate back to the Hadza, 'cause, like, they need it. But yeah, I mean, the, uh, Rasuli, Shawnee, the guys that I, I know out there, are like, "The tourism is, is, is great," so it's, like, a thriving thing, just 'cause I talked about it, and, uh, um, and, like, going off what you said, like, um, I helped make a film, I was the cameraman on this film called We Are Hadza. If anyone out there wants ... I, I just helped make it. It's just, like, the best documentary. It's like the first beginning to end baboon hunt and then skinning it, eating it, th- like, you feel like you're living that lifestyle. So I'm not trying to be like Harrison Ford in, like, uh, Mosquito Coast, but, like, I think, uh, Austin is a good buffer for the family, and then eventually I do want to fully go to kind of like ... I'm, I'm, who am I kidding? Like, not fully hunter-gatherer, but, like, fully, like, a culture where it's, like, not that many people, I know who all my neighbors are.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:36

       Mm.

   23. DCDavid Choe11:37

       I'm living, like, half, like, city life and half, like, there. So things are starting to steer towards going back to Africa for me.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Wow.

   25. DCDavid Choe11:46

       I mean, I'm not even close yet, I'm just saying, like, um, I remem-

4. 11:50 – 16:26

   Why Africa changed him: art, presence, and letting go of monetization

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:50

      What, what was it about it that spoke to you so much that you wanna be there more often?

   2. DCDavid Choe11:54

      Um, well, like, art ... I'm an artist, right? And art is about expression and creating, but if you're saying I'm a professional artist, th- at some point, there has to be a conversation about business, monetization, making money. And, you know, we could get into all the AI shit, which is crazy, but, um-... you know, I go, I go to Africa with the ego of, like, "I'm an important artist," you know? Like, and I'm gonna, like... So I- I- my backpack is mostly art supplies, right? And I get there, and there's a cave that we're living in for, like, a few weeks. And, like, you know, if the weather's nice, we sit and sleep on top of the cave, and if it's, you know, really raining or something, we sleep under the cave. And in the daytime when, like, the real men are, like, hunting, I'm like, "I'll give art lessons to the kids," you know? And because the kids have no art training, they're just raw, you know? They're just... And it's just what they s- th- here's a bow and arrow, and they're just drawing, like... And the drawings are, like, amazing, and I'm drawing them. In my mind I'm like, "These are going to be like museum pieces," or, like, "I'm gonna archive them when I get home and put out a book and, like, donate all the money back to them." And, um, so we spend the whole day drawing, and I'm like, "These are, like, some of the best pieces of art I've ever..." Because it was fun. It was, like, in nature. It's with these guys that are not trained, you know? And as s- and I'm looking at it, and I'm, like, holding it like this not to, like, s- you know, smudge it or anything, and they're like, "Yeah." And then the- the tribe comes back, they're covered in blood, they, you know, they got a animal, and I'm like, "Look at this art we made." And they're like, "Oh, that's cool," and we're on top of the cave, and they're like, "Cool." And they throw it off the cave, and I go, "Wait, (laughs) wait!" And I'm like, "Wait, what are you doing with that? I could've..." And I go, "Oh yeah, hunter get-..." Like, they don't have anything. Yeah. They, they don't... Like, what do they have, a flat file out there? (laughs) Like ... And I was like, "Hol- ..." Like, it just hit me so hard in that moment. They're so present. It's not about, like, "Oh, I'm, I'm living in the moment and then I gotta, like, go home and edit it and, like, you know, do..." It's just like, we did it, we love it, and bye-bye. It's a piece of paper in the wind now. (laughs) And I was like, "Ugh." You know, and there was one that I drew, like, you know, and I ha- I had it sketched and I was, like, spending a lot of time. I was like, "Uh, uh, I'm gonna try to..." (laughs) And I threw it off the cliff, and I was like, "More of this." Like, more of this. Like, I want this thing where you just live and it is what it is, and less, like, anxiety, stress, "How am I gonna make money off this?" And, and I, uh, it's just they're so happy. And look, I spent a lot, a lot of time with them, and I go back as much as I can, um, so yeah. To, to, to see them, like, you know, all the YouTubers that went out there, and I'm like, "Oh, there's, there's Seany and, and Nona and Gonkida," and I'm like, "Fuck, they're like s- many celebrities now." Um, ah, I mean, I don't know. Like, I feel like every time I go back to Africa, whether it's, like, Congo or Tanzania, which are, like, two completely (laughs) different, you know... Um, I remember when I went to the Congo the first time, I was 19, 18, in 1995. That was when you filmed that thing for VICE where you were looking for dinosaurs? No, the, the first time I went is when I went to look for the dinosaur f- by myself, and then VICE saw that I wrote a article about that, and they sent me back, like, 10 years later when I was 20, 25 or something. Really? But I remember f- finding a missionary deep, deep, deep in the jungle, and he's like, "Bro, you think you're the first one?" And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "You think you're the first, like, lost soul that's come here looking for dinosaurs?" And I'm like, I'm like, "I'm not," and he's like, he's like, "I've been here for 20 years, like, living with these people. Like, every five years, a weirdo like you comes through." (laughs) "And do you think you're really looking for the dinosaur?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm looking for a dinosaur." He's like, "No, you're looking for something else. You're either running from something else or you're looking for some kind of meaning in your life that you can't find, so this is... You've pushed yourself to, to this, you know?" And I'm like, "Fuck, dude. You trying to get deep with me, bro?" (laughs) So, um, so yeah, I mean, I, I go back to Africa, and, like... It's hard for me to talk about this stuff without, like, sounding cringe or, um, people,

5. 16:26 – 31:23

   Games of life: money, sex, power—and the final ‘spiritual quest’

   1. DCDavid Choe16:26

      um... I don't know. It's like, let's look at life, um, as a video game, right? Like, as someone who was, like, heavily, heavily addicted to video games and, like, born s- in- into a super, super Christian kind of background, right? Like... Or if, if you are in any kind of, like, strict, uh, religi- organized religion growing up, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, whatever, um, it's kinda like being born into a video game 'cause it's like th- it's, it's very binary, right? There's heaven and hell, especially if it's Christian. And so you have to live a certain way, you gotta get a certain amount of points to have everlasting love, you know, peace, joy, and then if you don't, wah-wah-wah-wah. Yeah. (laughs) Like, you're fucked. And you're, "Okay, for how long? How much before I can re- Forever. S- like, forever, and you're like, "Wait, that's a long, that's a long time," you know? And I'm like, "Fuck, man." Um, and so I, I don't, I don't subscribe to any organized religion. I, I consider myself a spiritual person. But, like, without making light or, or trying to be disrespectful, like, if... The things that I tried to f- um, figure out like a, like a game, like a video game, was sex, money, power, right? Like, as an artist, I had subscribed to the starving artist, like, type, right? I was like, Top Ramen, you know, holes in your clothes, like, like, homeless, like... (laughs) I was like, "That is what a real artist is," until I met a successful artist, until I, I was like, "Oh, shit," like? "You can have a manager and an agent and an office, and, like, you can, like, not starve and..." And I remember at that point I was in my early 20s. I was like, "Man, people sure, like, talk about money a lot, right?" Like, it seems to be, like, this thing that causes a lot of problems in marriages and business, and I go-... it doesn't seem that hard to me, as some- and I'm saying this as a guy in my 20s that's poor. I'm like, "What if I just, like, try to be as rich as possible for the next 10 years, or five years? Like, what if that's my singular focus?" And so, I did it and it, you know, it was a lot of work but, like, the video game for, of money is over for me now, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. DCDavid Choe18:42

      Like, I, like, at every industry, gambling, the stock market, um, like even, like, people go, "Oh, that's like this Korean Forrest Gump and he just, he was like this, um, like this, uh, homeless guy that, (laughs) like, that got lucky with Facebook." I'm like, "That was, like, a lot of work to make that happen," you know? Um, and I was already w- kind of wealthy when I, when I made that deal, but people like to tell that story. So, I made millions of dollars gambling, I made millions of dollars with my art, I made millions of dollars with Facebook and it, it was a lot of hard work but I'm like, it's kinda, if I wanted to... You tell me how cringe I'm, I s- I sound (laughs) and I'll just stop, but I'm like, it's not gonna be that hard for me to become a billionaire at a certain level, right? Like, I've amassed hundreds of millions, I'm like, if that's my goal now, if that's my video game. And then, I know billionaires, I mean, Sean Parker and Mark being the most... But I know tons of, like, secret billionaires, right? And I go, "I don't want any of their lives. (laughs) I don't want-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:45

      Right.

   5. DCDavid Choe19:45

      ... "I don't want any of, like, I like-"

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:47

      But it's just money. You don't have to have their life-

   7. DCDavid Choe19:50

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:50

      ... to, to have money.

   9. DCDavid Choe19:52

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       And you don't have to think about money if you have it.

   11. DCDavid Choe19:54

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       Th- the problem with money is pe- people become obsessed with it because it's so difficult to attain (clears throat) and there's so much societal value-

   13. DCDavid Choe20:02

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       ... put on being wealthy-

   15. DCDavid Choe20:03

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       ... that it becomes the thing, instead of a thing.

   17. DCDavid Choe20:08

       I mean, I have, I have a friend that has like, hundreds of billions of dollars and (laughs) -

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:13

       Hundreds of billions?

   19. DCDavid Choe20:14

       Hundreds of billions. Like, one of the, you know...

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       I have one too.

   21. DCDavid Choe20:18

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       (laughs)

   23. DCDavid Choe20:19

       Yeah. And you, you know how weird those guys are, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       They're weird guys. (laughs)

   25. DCDavid Choe20:23

       And, and I'm pretty close with him. He's not just like a, you know. And I said, we were having dinner and I was like, "I'm feeling confident." I was like, "Give me one." He's like, "What?" I was like, "Give me one." So-

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       One billion?

   27. DCDavid Choe20:36

       And he's like, "I don't understand." (laughs) Yeah. I was like, "Gimme 1 billion."

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       (laughs)

   29. DCDavid Choe20:39

       And he's like... I was like, "Motherfucker, you know I don't need it. Like, you know I'm not gonna go buy cars and houses." He's like, "What do you wanna, what do you wanna do with that?" He's like, "Dave, I don't know if you know how money works. You don't just go up to someone and ask them for a billion." I go, "Motherfucker, I just did." And he's like, "Well, do you have a plan? Are you gonna show me charts and graphs?" And I was like, "No. It's all gonna be instinct. I will take that one billion..." And he's like, "Dude, you gotta come to me with, like... I'm not saying no, but you gotta have a better, you know?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       A plan?
6. 31:23 – 46:09

   The Hadza documentary’s raw reality: baboon hunts, primate taboo, and cannibalism tangent

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:23

      Is it available, the whole thing?

   2. DCDavid Choe31:26

      Like... Here's my... It's done. Like, it's done. It's like, I'll send you a link if you wanna watch it. Like, it's amazing. But I, I'm, I'm... It's like, um, last, last time I came on here, I had made a TV show. Like I do everything backwards, right? Like, like some, someone, um... Like the normal way to get a show on th- and this is, I definitely wanna ask you about this. The normal way you get a show on TV is you pitch it, right? You come up with an idea. But like, sh- things don't cost that much anymore. I mean, I'm speaking from a rich guy-

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:02

      Yeah.

   4. DCDavid Choe32:02

      ... so I know what that sounds like. But compared to what it used to cost-

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:05

      Right.

   6. DCDavid Choe32:05

      Like you don't... If you have a nice camera, and you got a good-

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:08

      Mm-hmm.

   8. DCDavid Choe32:08

      ... editing thing, like...

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:09

      Much cheaper.

   10. DCDavid Choe32:10

       Like the, the movie that just won the Oscar, Everything Everywhere All at Once is like my favorite movie, it had like six guys doing the, the special effects. And then you have, you know, Top Gun, uh, not Top Gun, but like all these other movies that have like, when you see the credits at the end, it's like thousands of like Korean names. (laughs) And you're like... So you can do things relatively cheaply compared. Right? So I made this show on, uh, FX called The Cho Show, and I made it exactly the way I want. And, and, um, you know, like some, you know, whatever, something got cut, there was some notes. And that's where I get stuck a lot of times, right? Because no one tells me what to do when I paint. I can do whatever the fuck I want. But when it comes to media, there's a bigger audience, people are more sensitive, people can get triggered, this and that. So a lot of decisions made in Hollywood are fear-based decisions, and I don't-

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:08

       Yes.

   12. DCDavid Choe33:08

       ... I don't live my life that way.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:10

       Yeah, i- well, they're platform-based decisions, right?

   14. DCDavid Choe33:13

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       So the problem is you're an artist, but the people that distribute the stuff are not artists.

   16. DCDavid Choe33:17

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       They're executives and money people.

   18. DCDavid Choe33:19

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:20

       And all those money people, they look at you, and they go, "Well, David Choe's very popular."

   20. DCDavid Choe33:23

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:23

       "He's very eccentric. He might, this might work. We might be able to make money." And then they start thinking about new cars they're gonna buy-

   22. DCDavid Choe33:29

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       ... and new houses they're gonna buy. They, they don't think about it the way you think about it. So the problem with being in business with people like that is business. That's the problem.

   24. DCDavid Choe33:37

       Right, right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:38

       You're just trying to create something cool.

   26. DCDavid Choe33:39

       Yeah, you're like, 'cause there is really, like Atlanta's a great show. Ramy's a great show. There's great shows-

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       Oh, there's great shows. But-

   28. DCDavid Choe33:45

       But then you're like, at the end, they're still trying to sell refrigerators with the advertising.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:49

       Right.

   30. DCDavid Choe33:50

       Yeah.
7. 46:09 – 56:05

   Water, microbes, and ‘rich guy’ wellness: pools, neti pots, and gut biomes

   1. JRJoe Rogan46:09

      That's an amazing story. I want ... How, how alien must it be to a person to see an entire pool filled with water that they can't drink?

   2. DCDavid Choe46:16

      Dude, the, the-

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:17

      But these people are drinking out of puddles in that documentary you showed.

   4. DCDavid Choe46:20

      The escalator? Going up the escalator? (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:21

      Yeah.

   6. DCDavid Choe46:21

      Like, yeah. There-

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:22

      But you showed these people drinking out of puddles.

   8. DCDavid Choe46:24

      Yes, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:24

      And imagine they're looking at this crystal clear water, and they can't drink it. You're telling them they can't drink it.

   10. DCDavid Choe46:30

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Like, what are we doing with chlorine? How bad is that shit for your skin? (laughs)

   12. DCDavid Choe46:33

       Dude, that's the worst, man.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       It can't be... Is chlorine bad for you, like chlorine from the pool?

   14. DCDavid Choe46:37

       (sighs) I don't, I, I-

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       How could it be good for you?

   16. DCDavid Choe46:40

       I have, I have the rich guy pool now, the ...

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       Saltwater.

   18. DCDavid Choe46:43

       No, it's the next one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       Oh, there's a next one?

   20. DCDavid Choe46:45

       O- ox- oxygenated pool.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       Oh, shit.

   22. DCDavid Choe46:47

       Yeah, it's fancy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       Really? How do they do that?

   24. DCDavid Choe46:51

       Dude, I don't, I don't f- like, I go to another rich guy's house, and I say, "Oh, you can ..."

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:55

       How did you get that?

   26. DCDavid Choe46:55

       And they go, "Oh, you have chlorine?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       (laughs)

   28. DCDavid Choe46:57

       "Dude, you gotta get a salt." I go, "Okay. I'll just do whatever you tell me." And they go, "We got the saltwater pool." And then, then I go to another rich guy's house, and they go ... Uh, I went to Sia's place, and she's like, "Oh, I have the oxygenated pool." I'm like, "All right, give me his number." So-

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       Oh.

   30. DCDavid Choe47:10

       It's like, uh-
8. 56:05 – 1:11:18

   Austin’s political balance and Texas history detour: Comanches and archery techniques

   1. JRJoe Rogan56:05

      It's a- it's a very- it's interesting one of th- what the thing they always say about Austin is keep Austin blue and surrounded.

   2. DCDavid Choe56:12

      Hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan56:13

      So, like, what keeps it in check is it's surrounded by real Texas. Like, real-

   4. DCDavid Choe56:17

      Hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan56:18

      ... country Texas. But Austin, the city, is very progressive.

   6. DCDavid Choe56:23

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan56:23

      Super progressive. And I think it's a perfect combination, because I think the two of 'em balance each other out and keeps everything in check. Progressive people in Austin are much more reasonable than a lot of the progressive people that I met in LA. It's just- just a generalization, for sure.

   8. DCDavid Choe56:39

      It's definitely a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan56:39

      But they're like-

   10. DCDavid Choe56:40

       ... an anomaly.

   11. JRJoe Rogan56:40

       Kind- they're Texas people.

   12. DCDavid Choe56:42

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan56:42

       You know? It's like, there's a- there's a deeply-rooted independence in this state that came from how difficult it was to settle.

   14. DCDavid Choe56:51

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan56:52

       Like, there's- there's this fucking amazing book, um, th- the, uh, Comanche book. What is the name of it, Jamie? Empire of the Summer Moon. Empire of the Summer Moon. It's a fucking insane book about the Comanche who lived here.

   16. DCDavid Choe57:07

       Hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan57:07

       It's one of the best books I've ever read. I've read it twice.

   18. DCDavid Choe57:09

       All right, I'm gonna check that out.

   19. JRJoe Rogan57:11

       It's really good, dude. And it's all about the history of this state was so difficult to conquer, because the Comanches were- they were the best at riding horses and they were best at raising horses out of all the Native American tribes.

   20. DCDavid Choe57:24

       Hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan57:24

       And so they had these massive stockpiles of horses.

   22. DCDavid Choe57:29

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan57:29

       And they would ride on the horses and shoot arrows before the guys could get off a second shot, 'cause the whole thing about old school guns-

   24. DCDavid Choe57:38

       So, like, it must-

   25. JRJoe Rogan57:38

       ... like muskets-

   26. DCDavid Choe57:38

       It was like this shit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan57:39

       Exactly.

   28. DCDavid Choe57:40

       It was like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan57:40

       They kept the arrows in their fingers, and they would fire 'em off one at a time.

   30. DCDavid Choe57:43

       Can you do that shit?
9. 1:00:10 – 1:23:55

   Acting arc: Star Wars graffiti cameo, Beef role, and Survivor near-miss

   1. DCDavid Choe1:00:10

      Um, dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this, because, uh, people that don't know this about Joe Rogan, you used to be an actor.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Well, I've done some acting. I wasn't very good at it. I was good at sitcom acting. I never did, like, real acting.

   3. DCDavid Choe1:00:27

      No, you went- you went hard, like on- on, uh, News Radio-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Ah.

   5. DCDavid Choe1:00:30

      ... and, like, th-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      But that's... Sitcom acting's not hard, man. It's, like, the hardest shit is, like, Daniel Day-Lewis, Joaquin Phoenix acting.

   7. DCDavid Choe1:00:39

      Okay.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

      That's hard acting. But, like, just playing a guy and saying a funny line-

   9. DCDavid Choe1:00:43

      So, you don't act anymore?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       ... it's pretty easy. No, no, no, no, no, no.

   11. DCDavid Choe1:00:45

       And, like, there's no project that you would come back to?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       I'm not interested in it. It's just-

   13. DCDavid Choe1:00:49

       So, like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       ... like, it's okay.

   15. DCDavid Choe1:00:49

       ... Scorsese or anybody-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       I love it. It's just not a- it's not a- a negative on acting. I mean, I've appreciate- I love movies, you know. I love great acting. I just don't like to do it.

   17. DCDavid Choe1:00:58

       All right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       It's just too many hours. It takes too long, it's not what I'm interested in. You know? I'm, I'm more interested in podcasts and standup, and I don't have enough time to do anything else, other than UFC commentary.

   19. DCDavid Choe1:01:11

       So, there's no project you can think of?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       I'm just not interested.

   21. DCDavid Choe1:01:14

       If it was, like, a one-day shoot, or something?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Eh, it's great.

   23. DCDavid Choe1:01:17

       Wow.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Yeah. It's, I just, uh, there's other, uh, yeah, I don't wanna play baseball either. It doesn't mean I hate baseball. I'm just not interested.

   25. DCDavid Choe1:01:26

       Okay. Well-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Like, I don't want to do anything, l- l- l- like, just because it's a job, you know?

   27. DCDavid Choe1:01:34

       So-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       And that's what it would be.

   29. DCDavid Choe1:01:35

       ... so last time I came on here, I was like ... or maybe in private I've always told you, like, le- a little less with the UFC stuff, and maybe, like, try to get into painting. And you're like, "I'm not interested in painting unless, you know, I don't do anything halfway." Like, I wanna go in, go in, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:17:31