The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1966 - Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir
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- JRJoe Rogan
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- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience. (energetic music plays)
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we're up.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah, the NXIVM cult is the one that I still haven't watched that documentary.
- ASAri Shaffir
Wow.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I've been watching this doc-... I, I've got a bit about the place that I used... that I bought before I bought the mothership.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
'Cause it's about a place that was owned by a cult, so I've been watching the documentary on the cult. It's called Holy Hell. It's so fucking crazy. I've been watching it... I've watched it three or four times to try to, like, find the angles for the bit.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Because the guy who ran it was a gay porn star who was also a hypnotist.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) That's right. It's, it's such a powerful combination.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
And he, all he wore was Speedos-
- ASAri Shaffir
I mean... (laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... and eyeliner. And this, this dude ran this cult for 20 fucking years, and they kicked him out and sent him to Hawaii.
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
And now he's, he's running in Hawaii. At the end of the documentary, the guy goes to visit the guy in Hawaii. Now he's old and fucked-up looking, he's had a bunch of plastic surgery, like fake cheeks and his lips are done and everything like... He looks like a monster. And he's still got these pe- people following around, and opening the doors for him, and he sits down and he talks like a guru.
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Complete con artist.
- ASAri Shaffir
Did they show his porns?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
How, how was it?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Oh, yeah. They just block out where the dick is going in the ass.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
He's pounding this guy from behind-
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs) Okay.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... and then he's doing, uh, like a push-up. He's doing, like, a plank, and this guy is underneath him and he's holding onto the guy's... the guy's holding onto his hips, and he's just mouth-fucking this guy.
- ASAri Shaffir
Nice. Okay. (laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
While, while his, while his legs are completely suspended in the air.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, he's just... Okay, doing workouts.
- 15:00 – 30:00
(laughs) …
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
it's a cult. And they're like, "Well, if we're in a cult, at least we're in a good one."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
(laughs) And it was for a long time, until one guy leaves the cult and sends out a mass email. It's like, "Hey, man this guy's been hypnotizing me-
- ASAri Shaffir
Because it's the '90s.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... and fucking me for the past 10 years."
- ASAri Shaffir
Really?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He found out he was being hypnotized?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Oh, I mean, he's doing hypnotherapy on them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Remember in Bo- remember in Boston that hypno-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
He's putting them in states.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remember in Boston that hypnotist?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Frank Santos.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. And we saw a g- a door guy pass out.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He tried to do the whole room and a door guy off to the left was just gone and somebody pointed it out to him.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That guy would be, would be... That door guy would be, like, a candidate.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yes. Yeah. Well, when we used to do stitches when, uh, Greg Simmons and I were coming up in Boston, Frank Santos was the fucking man. And we would all go watch because it was a comedy hypnotism show.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was fun.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
And he would put people under. And some people he couldn't put under. Some people he would just in fr... 'Cause you're doing it. It's not like... You could get hypnotized if you wanted to in a relaxed setting. I had it done once. It's very interesting.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you... Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
My friend Vinnie Shorman, he hypnotizes fighters. And he, he gets to, like, get to the root of, like, whatever their conflict in their mind is-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... and try to sort things out, make 'em perform better.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's not what you're thinking. That's, that's why I always don't believe in it, is 'cause it's not what I'm... They're not, like, you know, when your eyes are open, like, "Walk that way."
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Maybe not you.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. But some pe-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Here's my concern. Maybe some people, you can do that to.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- 30:00 – 45:00
And they're selling, and…
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
fall into that.
- SPSpeaker
And they're selling, and they're selling it as TikTok is doing this. TikTok is subverting our elections, or TikTok-
- JVJamie Vernon
They're not even selling it that way.
- SPSpeaker
... is subverting our economy. So we have to be careful of, no?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
They're not even selling it that way. They're not even selling it that way.
- JVJamie Vernon
They're selling it as, (clears throat) "These, these countries are the foreign adversaries that may do bad stuff."
- SPSpeaker
So they're like, "It's a risk that they're gonna do something bad with this."
- JVJamie Vernon
Yeah. Like they've listed using a VPN as a way to subvert that, which would be-
- SPSpeaker
What?
- JVJamie Vernon
... illegal-
- SPSpeaker
Dude-
- JVJamie Vernon
... and you get a gigantic fine-
- SPSpeaker
Ugh.
- JVJamie Vernon
... and maybe 20 years in prison.
- SPSpeaker
What? To use a VPN here? Ugh. How do you steal-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Imagine-
- SPSpeaker
(laughs) How do you steal-
- JVJamie Vernon
They're gonna criminalize that?
- SPSpeaker
Who's gonna wreck that?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Imagine-
- JVJamie Vernon
If everybody says to get that-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... they're gonna criminalize VPNs.
- JVJamie Vernon
I'm always told to get a VPN.
- SPSpeaker
VPN. Yeah, you should get a VPN.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
"Potentially criminalizing the use of a VPN service or side-loading to access services blocked from doing business in the United States under the act, due to the text stating that no person may cause or aid, abet, counsel, command, induce, procure, permit, or approve of the doing of any act that violates the orders issued under the act." What?
- SPSpeaker
Oh, that's so confusing.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Bro, they're trying to gain more power. This is creepy. This is not-
- SPSpeaker
Don't do it.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... good. And I just gotta hope that people wise up and don't pass this. Does it seem like this is something that they're, they're passing?
- JVJamie Vernon
Uh, I don't know that it's gotten that far. I know it's been proposed, but-
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Yeah. …
- ASAri Shaffir
someone's made, like, a batch of, like, you know, weed brownies or something-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
... and you go, "Well, what if all the weeds and w-"
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
How do you fucking possibly know that?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
They, they don't. Each one's 30 grams. (laughs)
- SPSpeaker
You had a bit about it-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Ari and I were on the front lines.
- SPSpeaker
... the 1X, 2X, 3X days.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah, because I had a bit about the gummy bear when the guy told me, "Take just the leg."... I go-
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... "What?"
- SPSpeaker
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I'm like, "Why the fuck are you selling whole bears?"
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. (laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
It was so ridiculous.
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
They were so strong. You remember those gummies?
- SPSpeaker
Those gummies hermanos.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Bro, they were-
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, they were strong.
- SPSpeaker
They ruled.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
They were so strong. But like-
- ASAri Shaffir
That's what I'm saying, if you just took it-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Nobody really-
- ASAri Shaffir
Is there possibly no weed in the-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
No.
- 1:00:00 – 1:01:35
Dude, he, he- …
- SPSpeaker
like, for whatever's going on, she was hyper emotional and screaming and crying and he was, like, kinda like, "Eh," just bickering about whatever, you know?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Dude, he, he-
- SPSpeaker
This, this, this, and then they just, they let him go.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
And then what did they do? Probably a sociopath, right?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
He probably figured out how to con the cops and-
- SPSpeaker
To be that cop?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... he killed her. He killed her right afterwards. Yeah, he killed her and then- Oh, fuck. ... either he killed himself. It's, it's, it's hard to-
- SPSpeaker
In the woods?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
No, because I think, like, the alligators got to him. Oh, shit. I think-
- SPSpeaker
What?
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... I think when they found his body, he had been consumed.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah. He was all, he was-
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
... pieces all over the place.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
I think some things had consumed him. It might be pigs, too. There's a lot of wild pigs out there. But the pigs will eat everything.
- SPSpeaker
Right.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
They'll eat, they'll eat your bones, man. They'll eat everything. If you leave a body-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... where pigs are, that's the thing about Snatch. We had a forensic psychologist on, on Tony, Kill Tony yesterday. We asked him if that was a good way to kill, uh, people. He said, "Yeah." The remains were described as skeletal, were confirmed using dental records. Oh, Brian Laundrie. Holy shit, that's a different one. No, that's the guy.
- SPSpeaker
That's the guy.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Oh, that's the guy. Look at him with his hair, with the sunglasses. Oh, yeah. What an amazing picture. He never lost that fucking hair. I mean, that is such an American person.
- SPSpeaker
(laughs)
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
Yeah. Oh my Lord. I mean, Dog the Bounty Hunter might be the most American guy that's ever lived. Look at the gold chain hanging from his neck.
- SPSpeaker
The Oakleys.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
The Oakleys. (laughs)
- SPSpeaker
He's got the clear chest.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
The bleach blonde, long ass, beautiful hair for an old dude. Beautiful hair. For an old dude, I mean, he's got some-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- BOBig Jay Oakerson
... rocker hair from the '80s. Red skin. He's got some poison hair. Look at his skin.
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