Joe Rogan Experience #1966 - Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir

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Joe Rogan 0:12 And we're up.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:13 Yeah, the NXIVM cult is the one that I still haven't watched that documentary.

Ari Shaffir 0:16 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:16 I've been watching this doc-... I, I've got a bit about the place that I used... that I bought before I bought the mothership.

Ari Shaffir 0:22 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:23 'Cause it's about a place that was owned by a cult, so I've been watching the documentary on the cult. It's called Holy Hell. It's so fucking crazy. I've been watching it... I've watched it three or four times to try to, like, find the angles for the bit.

Ari Shaffir 0:35 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:35 Because the guy who ran it was a gay porn star who was also a hypnotist.

Joe Rogan 0:39 (laughs) That's right. It's, it's such a powerful combination.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:41 And he, all he wore was Speedos-

Ari Shaffir 0:43 I mean... (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:43 ... and eyeliner. And this, this dude ran this cult for 20 fucking years, and they kicked him out and sent him to Hawaii.

Ari Shaffir 0:50 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:50 And now he's, he's running in Hawaii. At the end of the documentary, the guy goes to visit the guy in Hawaii. Now he's old and fucked-up looking, he's had a bunch of plastic surgery, like fake cheeks and his lips are done and everything like... He looks like a monster. And he's still got these pe- people following around, and opening the doors for him, and he sits down and he talks like a guru.

Ari Shaffir 1:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:09 Complete con artist.

Ari Shaffir 1:11 Did they show his porns?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:12 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Ari Shaffir 1:13 How, how was it?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:14 Oh, yeah. They just block out where the dick is going in the ass.

Ari Shaffir 1:16 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:17 He's pounding this guy from behind-

Ari Shaffir 1:18 (laughs) Okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:18 ... and then he's doing, uh, like a push-up. He's doing, like, a plank, and this guy is underneath him and he's holding onto the guy's... the guy's holding onto his hips, and he's just mouth-fucking this guy.

Ari Shaffir 1:29 Nice. Okay. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:29 While, while his, while his legs are completely suspended in the air.

Ari Shaffir 1:34 Oh, he's just... Okay, doing workouts.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:35 Yeah, so-

Ari Shaffir 1:35 Military.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:36 Yeah. He's, he's basically doing a workout. So he's got like... in a push-up position like this.

Ari Shaffir 1:39 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:39 And his leg is... both of his legs are up there like that, pointed.

Ari Shaffir 1:42 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:42 And he's going like this and just humping this guy's mouth.

Ari Shaffir 1:44 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:45 I mean, the guy... And the... This is something that the cult members had found out while he was, you know, in... There... That's him.

Ari Shaffir 1:52 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:52 But when... See, when he got older, he started looking creepy. You gotta realize-

Ari Shaffir 1:55 Yeah, I loved his hair.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:55 ... this guy started this cult in 1981. He was an extra in Rosemary's Baby.

Ari Shaffir 2:01 Really? That's cute.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:02 Yeah, that was, like, his claim to fame. He's just a bad actor.

Ari Shaffir 2:03 Dude, he's got some young bucks with him.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:05 Oh, he had all young bucks, and young beautiful women too. Like, that's how he attracted the heterosexual men.

Ari Shaffir 2:11 I mean...

Big Jay Oakerson 2:11 He had a bunch of young beautiful women, but he told them never to have relationships together, and then he fucked all the guys.

Ari Shaffir 2:16 The move with the NXIVM guy did... 'Cause it's... You can get a really good cult going, but you're... everyone's not gonna get the... Well, even Charles Manson, they always made it out to these, these young pretty hippie girls. When you see the pictures, they're all pretty rough. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 2:32 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 2:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:32 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 2:32 The Manson ones?

Ari Shaffir 2:32 Yeah. And then the, the NXIVM cult, it's the same thing. It's like they tell you all the people that were involved and, like, except for, like, one girl, like, most of them were pretty, like, homely. So you're like, yeah, I guess if you're...

Joe Rogan 2:43 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:43 It's the same-

Ari Shaffir 2:44 If your game... If your cult leader status is to bang a bunch of, like... They're okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:48 Well, this is, like, headshots after they've left the cult and realized it was over.

Ari Shaffir 2:52 That girl's the actress.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:53 What about while they're-

Ari Shaffir 2:53 She's the one.

Joe Rogan 2:53 She's the actress? The bottom left one?

Ari Shaffir 2:54 Yeah. She's the prettiest.

Joe Rogan 2:56 I recognize her. But she's, like, secretary.

Ari Shaffir 2:59 Yes. She was a... Yes, exactly. She... I think she got out of fucking him-

Joe Rogan 3:03 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 3:03 ... because she would recruit the girls and brand them and stuff.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:07 That girl's pretty. That girl's pretty.

Ari Shaffir 3:08 That's, uh, whatchamacallit's daughter.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:10 Who?

Ari Shaffir 3:10 She got involved too. Uh...

Joe Rogan 3:12 She's not the Keith Raniere?

Ari Shaffir 3:12 Oh, she's an actress. She was an actress in, like, those old, like, Falcon Crest type shows.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:17 (laughs) Falcon Crest.

Ari Shaffir 3:19 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:19 Oh, my God.

Ari Shaffir 3:20 Yeah, like those, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 3:20 Could you imagine being trapped on one of those shows, where you gotta get a paycheck every week and the paycheck is f- wonderful?

Ari Shaffir 3:27 Dynasty, the la-

Big Jay Oakerson 3:28 You're probably making like a hundred grand a week. So it's like-

Ari Shaffir 3:31 Kathrine Oxenberg's daughter.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:32 ... you can't... So you're not gonna leave.

Ari Shaffir 3:34 You're not gonna leave.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:34 But you're stuck.

Ari Shaffir 3:35 And you're like, "This sucks. I didn't get into acting to do this."

Big Jay Oakerson 3:37 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 3:37 But is it a good career if you're, like... Take a Lorenzo Lamas.

Joe Rogan 3:41 Mm-hmm.

Ari Shaffir 3:41 The guy is like, you know, small parts in Grease and stuff, then he's on Falcon Crest as a heartthrob for a while.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:48 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 3:48 Uh, which is, I think, network. That's a big network. Then he's Renegade for years, probably his most successful thing.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:54 Yeah, that was, like, a syndicated show.

Ari Shaffir 3:55 Was it a good run?

Joe Rogan 3:55 Renegade.

Ari Shaffir 3:56 Yeah, that was a syndicated show.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:58 Beautiful man.

Ari Shaffir 4:00 Oh, yeah. Oh, he was gorgeous in his day.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:01 Beautiful man.

Ari Shaffir 4:02 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:02 Yeah. Like, what does he look like now?

Ari Shaffir 4:04 Uh, that's him up there. You have the gray hair.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:06 Still handsome.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Not bad, not bad.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:07 Still slinging dicks.

Ari Shaffir 4:08 Holds it together.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:09 63.

Ari Shaffir 4:10 But major, like, wife drama.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:11 Engaged to a younger woman who goes by Nerdy Blonde online. Okay, perfect.

Ari Shaffir 4:15 Oh, that's, oh, that's new. He already had, like, a, like, a big girl, like, a lady leave him that he was with for a while. He was with, like, a Playboy girl or something.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:22 Oh, yeah, yeah. I, I remember seeing that. Like, she had a ton of plastic surgery and shit, right?

Ari Shaffir 4:28 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:28 Lorenzo Lamas.

Joe Rogan 4:29 Do you think he ever... Like, if he looked back at himself at 16, 17, 18, whatever, when he's looking forward, if he's like, "That's my career," do you think he'd be happy with that or go, "Nah, I want something legit"?

Big Jay Oakerson 4:38 I don't know. It would really depend on how smart he is. I've never heard him talk.

Ari Shaffir 4:41 Yeah. Or what's... What he did with his money, I guess.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:42 Right. But also, like, how smart is he? Like, are you stimulated there or are you just happy to get attention?

Joe Rogan 4:48 I bet he's just happy to get attention.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:49 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 4:50 Yeah, I think he was more... I think he was more pretty than brilliant.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:53 Maybe.

Ari Shaffir 4:54 But, you know, saying with the NXIVM guy and, like, the intelligence of them, it's weird, like...

Big Jay Oakerson 4:58 Coffee?

Ari Shaffir 4:58 'Cause the different states in life, like, that guy made himself, like, very wealthy, uh, in that cult, the NXIVM guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:05 Oh, he made himself wealthy by...

Ari Shaffir 5:07 Sure, yeah. 'Cause it's this, it's a Ponzi scheme.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:09 Is he a biker?

Ari Shaffir 5:09 On top of the sex thing, it was most... Uh, first of all, it was a money thing first and foremost. It was, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:14 Sex was bonus.

Ari Shaffir 5:15 It was one of those schemes to do, like, um... You know, they'd be like, put a... Like, get five more people to join and-

Big Jay Oakerson 5:22 Oh, pyramid scheme.

Ari Shaffir 5:24 Pyramid scheme, for sure. And then, and then once they were in and believed their life was getting better from that, he'd be like, "Hey, girls, there's a little side project I got going on called..." Like, you know-

Joe Rogan 5:33 Oh.

Ari Shaffir 5:33 "... Fuck Me When I Tell You To."

Big Jay Oakerson 5:35 Oh, interesting.

Ari Shaffir 5:36 And, uh...

Big Jay Oakerson 5:37 But weren't they, like, getting branded or something?

Ari Shaffir 5:39 Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. It gets, it gets greedy. Those things always go down because-

Big Jay Oakerson 5:44 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 5:44 ... you, you-

Big Jay Oakerson 5:44 The guy has too much power and he keeps going.

Ari Shaffir 5:46 Over... Well-

Joe Rogan 5:46 It's not enough to just be like, "Hey, I'm fucking three chicks."

Ari Shaffir 5:49 Dude, it's Negan. It's Negan-

Joe Rogan 5:49 This is great.

Ari Shaffir 5:50 ... in The Walking Dead.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Yep.

Ari Shaffir 5:51 You can fuck three chicks and then still you wanna bang the guy who worships you-

Joe Rogan 5:55 His wife.

Ari Shaffir 5:56 You wanna see if you can get his wife too, and it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:59 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:59 And they always wind up doing it too.

Joe Rogan 6:01 They get it.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:01 Koresh.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Because they're gonna have to comply, they don't know what to do.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:04 Like David Koresh, like he, he had a deal where he could fuck everyone's wife.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Oh.

Ari Shaffir 6:08 The people that get out of it, like, sitting there and, like...... just seeing a guy-

Big Jay Oakerson 6:12 ... tol- telling people.

Ari Shaffir 6:12 Just seeing, uh, I don't know how they stay together. Like, a guy and his wife sitting on the couch while the guy's hysterically crying. Like, "I can't believe I sat in that room and waited for him to fuck you while I..." You know.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:22 I can believe it.

Ari Shaffir 6:23 That they stay together?

Big Jay Oakerson 6:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 6:25 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:25 I can believe guys like-

Ari Shaffir 6:27 It's just tough. When they were-

Big Jay Oakerson 6:27 There's guys like that out there. They're like, "The girl can do anything. She can shit in his face." And then he's like-

Ari Shaffir 6:30 No, but there's like-

Big Jay Oakerson 6:31 (laughs)

Speaker 6:31 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 6:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 6:31 ... "Oh, whoa, whoa, don't do that. I don't do that to you." There's certain people- And they have to complain about it the whole time? Yeah. There's always been- That's part of it? ... humans like that. There's like a spectrum of humans. There's always been humans that you can just kind of push around-

Ari Shaffir 6:44 Walk over?

Big Jay Oakerson 6:44 ... and do anything to, yeah.

Ari Shaffir 6:46 Well, the one, the other one I just watched, as I said, because this guy had no status in life. It was an older guy who moved into his, like his, I think it was his daughter. His daughter would always talk about how great her dad was, and he was super involved in, like, SEAL team shit, and, uh, with Gorbachev, and all these, like, past political dealings. But he's in jail now because the government railroaded him. This is what she would tell all of her dorm mates, where, you know, uh, housemates in college. But he rules, he's the best. He comes out of jail, and she's like, "Can he come l- live here with us for a while?" And then over the course of the next few years, like, he just turns his daughter's house of friends into a sex cult with each other.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:24 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 7:24 It's wild.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:25 Yeah, I heard about that one too.

Ari Shaffir 7:27 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:28 Yeah. Well, there's a lot of con men out there.

Ari Shaffir 7:31 Also, once you get a few people-

Big Jay Oakerson 7:31 What we were talking about before the podcast-

Ari Shaffir 7:33 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:34 ... there's a lot of con men out there, and con women. There's a lot of con artists.

Ari Shaffir 7:37 Do they con themselves, or do they think some part of them is doing a good thing?

Big Jay Oakerson 7:40 No.

Ari Shaffir 7:40 Do you think the NXIVM guys Like, "I am teaching them, like, life skills-"

Big Jay Oakerson 7:43 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 7:43 "... and building them up."

Big Jay Oakerson 7:44 Yeah. I bet they-

Ari Shaffir 7:45 A little bit.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:45 ... lie to themselves. I bet they say, "Yeah." I bet there's a, there's a little bit of that in there. Like, with this guy, what's fascinating about this holy hell thing, in the beginning, the cult was amazing. Like, it just, as it got older, the guy started fucking everybody, or started fucking all the men. That's one of the things that he did as he got older. Like-

Ari Shaffir 8:00 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:00 ... heterosexual men, started fucking them and hypnotizing-

Ari Shaffir 8:02 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:02 ... them. And then on, on top of that, he started-

Speaker 8:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 8:05 ... telling people to get plastic surgery, so he could see what it looked like. Like, he wanted to get, like, his cheeks done-

Speaker 8:10 Oh, God.

Ari Shaffir 8:10 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 8:10 ... so he had his followers get the cheeks done. What happened with him is he was beautiful when he was young.

Ari Shaffir 8:16 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:16 That's the guy who made the documentary. That's Will Allen. He's the guy who made it.

Ari Shaffir 8:20 Also pretty.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:20 But if you, the guy... Yeah, also. It was a lot... All the people were good-looking.

Ari Shaffir 8:24 Can't really put his ass in the log.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:25 But the, the picture of him, like, up there with his arms up in the air, and everyone's got their hands up, that's him older-

Ari Shaffir 8:30 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:30 ... but still, like, ripped-

Ari Shaffir 8:31 Fucking ripped.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:32 ... and jacked. But when he was young, in the beginning of the documentary, he was a beautiful man. You know, like, perfect features, and this amazing body, and he was a ballet dancer. And he put on this fake accent.

Speaker 8:44 What accent?

Ari Shaffir 8:44 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 8:45 Like he was, um, like he was a guru. Like, "I am here to tell you, you are just life. Life is beautiful." You know that kind of shit.

Ari Shaffir 8:52 Yeah, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:52 You know, I'm sure the guy, I mean, he's a fucking actor, right? So-

Speaker 8:55 Do you think right away he knows, "I can never get you. Get out. You're not gonna be part of my cult."

Big Jay Oakerson 8:59 100%. Yeah.

Speaker 8:59 And he just gets the weakest, weakest people.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:00 Yeah, if you, if you stumbled in there, first of all-

Speaker 9:02 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:02 ... he-

Speaker 9:02 Oh, they'd take me.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:03 ... he'd be like, "You're not our type."

Ari Shaffir 9:05 (laughs)

Speaker 9:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:05 "No. You gotta be good-looking."

Speaker 9:06 They're like, "I'll prove it."

Big Jay Oakerson 9:07 "You're not that good-looking. I love you to death."

Ari Shaffir 9:08 It takes Studio 54.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:09 "You're not the best-looking guy."

Speaker 9:09 That's a good point, that's a good point. On Gay Island, I would have trouble there.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:12 Yeah. There would be a problem.

Ari Shaffir 9:13 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:14 Yeah. And then guys like you or I, or any of us, we'd be like, "What are you doing? Wait a minute."

Ari Shaffir 9:19 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:20 "Come on. (laughs) What's going on here?"

Ari Shaffir 9:22 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:22 "How do you guys make money? Who's making money? Where's the money going?"

Speaker 9:25 Yeah, that's what I mean...

Big Jay Oakerson 9:25 You, you start asking-

Speaker 9:26 Yeah, you, yeah, you have a question early on.

Ari Shaffir 9:27 Uh, their talent is finding people who are lost and don't ask questions at all.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:31 Exactly.

Speaker 9:31 Who are like, "I'm sure it's the

Big Jay Oakerson 9:32 Just the idea of, like, uh, anytime you hear those things, like, where's the point where you have to go, "Hey, wait, wait, wait."

Speaker 9:37 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:37 "Wait, I don't... That doesn't make sense to me."

Speaker 9:39 They all come from yoga classes.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:40 Mm-hmm.

Ari Shaffir 9:41 That guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:41 I mean, all his guys, his, his people. He would teach yoga classes in LA.

Ari Shaffir 9:45 (laughs)

Speaker 9:45 And that's how he'd find out.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:46 And then they would all... You know, you, if you go to yoga-

Ari Shaffir 9:48 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:48 ... I mean, there's a lot of people in yoga. There's a spectrum. But there's a, a certain percentage of guaranteed lost people in yoga classes.

Ari Shaffir 9:55 There's people who are looking-

Big Jay Oakerson 9:55 There's like CrossFit had that too.

Speaker 9:56 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:56 When I was doing CrossFit-

Speaker 9:57 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:57 ... like, how much they... And another thing, it's why-

Speaker 9:59 Jujitsu too.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:00 ... it wasn't like buying into the th-... They said, before I took CrossFit, they were like, ah, you know, some people be like, "Ah, it's cultish, dude. It's weird." And I go, "I don't even know what that means." I walk in, and I do the thing it's on the board that it says to do at the time I can do it, and then I go home. But I-

Ari Shaffir 10:14 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 10:14 ... then did realize after being there for, like, a year, I'm like, "These guys are having barbecues every weekend."

Speaker 10:19 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:19 "And they're doing the thing."

Speaker 10:20 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:20 And so they really do. They start ha-... And then, and then people, the owner of the, of the CrossFit gym, like, there was two guys who owned it, both married guys. I think both of them started fucking- No.

Speaker 10:32 Really?

Big Jay Oakerson 10:32 ... just like girls in the class, and like had the g-... At least one-

Ari Shaffir 10:34 Interesting.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:34 ... of them did, for sure, and the family-

Speaker 10:35 'Cause you want-

Big Jay Oakerson 10:35 ... broke up.

Speaker 10:35 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:36 And he was very publicly with this, like, much younger girl from cla-... It was wild.

Ari Shaffir 10:39 There's gonna be a segment of the class that wants the approval of the teacher.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:43 Oh, yeah.

Ari Shaffir 10:43 Like real bad.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:44 This guy, they would call him the teacher.

Ari Shaffir 10:46 Wow.

Speaker 10:47 Whoa.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:47 They, he had all these different... Well, here's the thing. This guy-

Ari Shaffir 10:49 This guy rules.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:49 His name, his name was Jaime Gomez.

Speaker 10:52 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 10:52 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 10:52 So he had to change it right away. You can't fly with that. Jaime Gomez fixes Toyotas.

Ari Shaffir 10:59 (laughs) Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:00 You know? Jaime Gomez is on the Canelo Álvarez undercard.

Ari Shaffir 11:02 He doesn't bring you the answers from the-

Big Jay Oakerson 11:04 See, that's-

Ari Shaffir 11:05 ... universe.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:05 That's him when he was already older and looking creepy. If you go to like-

Ari Shaffir 11:08 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 11:08 Go to his name, Jaime Gomez, uh, Rosemary's Baby. I don't think he called him, I think he called himself Michelle bi-... Back then. He, he changed his name three-

Ari Shaffir 11:18 Like, three times.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:18 ... times.

Ari Shaffir 11:18 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:18 Four times. Okay so he-

Ari Shaffir 11:20 He's already-

Big Jay Oakerson 11:20 ... changes his name one... That's him right there.

Ari Shaffir 11:22 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:22 Like, like look at that.

Ari Shaffir 11:23 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:24 Like-

Ari Shaffir 11:24 Handsome fella.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:25 ... no, beautiful man.

Ari Shaffir 11:25 The one in the white.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:26 The guy with the white.

Speaker 11:26 Yeah, yeah.

Ari Shaffir 11:27 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:27 That's him in Rosemary's Baby.

Speaker 11:28 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:28 So, you know. So hypnotic, right? Just something about people with beautiful features, they can talk more people into things, right? Perfect skin, right? So he, this guy is ripped, he's walking around in a Speedo, and he's saying all these things that in the beginning make everybody happy. And he does this, this thing where he puts them in a meditative state, and he touches their forehead, and he tells them that when he touches their forehead, they're gonna experience orgasms-

Ari Shaffir 11:52 What?

Big Jay Oakerson 11:52 ... and feel the universe. And these people have... They, they're legitimately tripping balls, because it's the power of suggestion and hypnos- hypnotism. So he's hypnotizing these people, and then he's putting his... And like in the beginning of the cult, it's amazing. Like, no one seems to have a problem in the beginning.

Ari Shaffir 12:08 The-

Big Jay Oakerson 12:08 That's the thing about these things. When you watch the beginning of Wild Wild Country, same shit. The beginning looks amazing.

Ari Shaffir 12:14 You're almost like-

Big Jay Oakerson 12:15 They're all of a sudden-

Ari Shaffir 12:15 ... "I wanna join."

Speaker 12:16 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:17 Yay! That's my friend Scott Todd said that to me. He goes, "Dude, I wanna shut it off after episode one-"

Speaker 12:20 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 12:20 "... and go find 'em."

Ari Shaffir 12:21 "I'm outside of season two. This..." (laughs) Yeah, it's great. Let's get out there.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:23 He's like, "I'm gonna go find them."

Ari Shaffir 12:24 It seems... Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:25 "I wanna, I wanna join. It looks they're having a good time."

Ari Shaffir 12:27 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:27 'Cause most people live these fucking miserable lives doing a job they don't like to do, and if someone will tell you, like, "You've got a community. We're all to-... We eat together. We pray together." They all meditated together. They're all splashing around in the water. It looks like they're having a great fucking time.

Speaker 12:41 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:42 And, but as the guy gets older, he gets creepier, and the Cult Awareness Network goes after him. So he has to leave LA in the middle of the night, and he moves to Texas. And so he sets up shop in Texas.

Speaker 12:55 How are they not gonna find him in Texas?

Big Jay Oakerson 12:56 Changed his name again.

Speaker 12:58 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:58 This is the '90s.

Ari Shaffir 12:59 Pre-Walters' society.

Speaker 12:59 Pre-internet, pre-internet, pre-internet.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:01 '90s, bro.

Speaker 13:01 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:01 This is the '90s, right? He starts the cult in like '81. So in the early '90s, there's these weirdos splashing around in Barton Springs-

Speaker 13:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:09 ... holding hands with this guy-

Speaker 13:11 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:11 ... who wears Speedos and an eyeliner. Like, what the fuck?

Ari Shaffir 13:15 And that's where they got him?

Big Jay Oakerson 13:15 So he changes his name from Michelle to Andreas. And so Andreas-

Ari Shaffir 13:20 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:20 ... he's, now he's getting older. He starts getting weird. And one of those things he starts doing is fucking with his face. He starts, like, shoving cheek things in, pulling things back, and lips around. He looks fucking weird. And he, he just, he's h- hanging on to...... like, his good looks and it throws them off because it doesn't fly with his message. He's like, "Your body is a vessel. Your body is just a vessel."

Ari Shaffir 13:43 I know, you're getting cut up.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:44 "You are God. We are all God." You know, it's like-

Ari Shaffir 13:46 And then, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:47 But now, all of a sudden, he's, like, getting facial surgery, and they're like, "Huh."

Ari Shaffir 13:49 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:49 And so then a guy leaves-

Ari Shaffir 13:50 He was more gay than leader.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:52 (laughs) Yeah. (laughs) Got one out. Got one out of it too.

Ari Shaffir 13:54 (laughs) He realizes, he's like, "Well, I gotta get the face fixed."

Joe Rogan 13:58 More gay than guru. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:59 (laughs) Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 13:59 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:59 More gay than guru.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 13:59 He had to get the face done. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:01 Yeah. It's a fascinating documentary, man. But, uh-

Ari Shaffir 14:04 I love all those things.

Joe Rogan 14:05 I love when you watch one of these things. That one that the, the, um, the dude who fucked the whole family in Utah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:10 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 That was crap.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 But when you're watching, you're just like, "How do I not know about this?"

Big Jay Oakerson 14:14 How? Dude, I think there's certain people that... I mean, I think this is why cults work, I think this is why some people become religious zealots and suicide bombers. There's certain people that are just fucking really gullible, man.

Ari Shaffir 14:27 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:27 You can get 'em.

Ari Shaffir 14:28 Well, not one of them ever... Uh, m- most of them when they're interviewed afterwards when they're out, they always say that same-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:34 What?

Ari Shaffir 14:35 ... line of like, "I know what cults were."

Big Jay Oakerson 14:37 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 14:38 And then in fact, when they would explain to people what was going on, they'd be like, "I know your thing. This isn't a cult. It's just a bunch of people living together dressed in the same... Doing whatever," you know. Like the-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:47 They talk about it in the documentary.

Ari Shaffir 14:49 They just, they ex- they explain a cult while they keep telling you, like it's, "No, it's not that. We just all eat out of the same tray."

Joe Rogan 14:54 You just one leader. We don't eat protein. Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:55 In the documentary they were saying-

Ari Shaffir 14:57 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:57 Well, they were joking around-

Ari Shaffir 14:59 Running for temples. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:59 ... that everybody thinks it's a cult. And they're like, "Well, if we're in a cult, at least we're in a good one."

Joe Rogan 15:03 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 15:03 (laughs) And it was for a long time, until one guy leaves the cult and sends out a mass email. It's like, "Hey, man this guy's been hypnotizing me-

Ari Shaffir 15:12 Because it's the '90s.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:12 ... and fucking me for the past 10 years."

Ari Shaffir 15:13 Really?

Big Jay Oakerson 15:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:14 He found out he was being hypnotized?

Big Jay Oakerson 15:15 Oh, I mean, he's doing hypnotherapy on them.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Right. Remember in Bo- remember in Boston that hypno-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:19 He's putting them in states.

Joe Rogan 15:20 Remember in Boston that hypnotist?

Big Jay Oakerson 15:21 Frank Santos.

Joe Rogan 15:22 Yeah. And we saw a g- a door guy pass out.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:24 He tried to do the whole room and a door guy off to the left was just gone and somebody pointed it out to him.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:29 That guy would be, would be... That door guy would be, like, a candidate.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:32 Yes. Yeah. Well, when we used to do stitches when, uh, Greg Simmons and I were coming up in Boston, Frank Santos was the fucking man. And we would all go watch because it was a comedy hypnotism show.

Joe Rogan 15:42 It was fun.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:43 And he would put people under. And some people he couldn't put under. Some people he would just in fr... 'Cause you're doing it. It's not like... You could get hypnotized if you wanted to in a relaxed setting. I had it done once. It's very interesting.

Joe Rogan 15:54 And you... Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:55 My friend Vinnie Shorman, he hypnotizes fighters. And he, he gets to, like, get to the root of, like, whatever their conflict in their mind is-

Joe Rogan 16:01 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:01 ... and try to sort things out, make 'em perform better.

Ari Shaffir 16:04 It's not what you're thinking. That's, that's why I always don't believe in it, is 'cause it's not what I'm... They're not, like, you know, when your eyes are open, like, "Walk that way."

Big Jay Oakerson 16:11 Maybe not you.

Ari Shaffir 16:12 Yeah. But some pe-

Big Jay Oakerson 16:12 Here's my concern. Maybe some people, you can do that to.

Ari Shaffir 16:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:16 This is what I think. I think what, what I experienced was, like, a different state of mind.

Ari Shaffir 16:21 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:21 It seemed like... I'm like, "Wow, this is like a drug. Like, I'm on a drug." I mean, this is very strange. But it was very pleasant and it was very, uh-

Ari Shaffir 16:29 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:29 ... it was very pr-... I was present and pleasant. It was like I was right there and I was, like, looking at things from a different angle. It's almost like I had removed some layers of, uh, clothing that was, like, my conditioning in life. I got to look at things. I'm like, "This is very much like a psychedelic drug."

Ari Shaffir 16:45 Someone described to me once, or I heard... Uh, actually, I think it was on Howard Stern also, a hypnotist that came on that does their thing, ca- said this is essentially i- in a level of hypnotizing. But if they're listening to this while driving in a car-

Joe Rogan 16:56 It lulls you?

Ari Shaffir 16:57 ... and they're just, like, not even thinking-

Joe Rogan 16:58 Whoa.

Ari Shaffir 16:58 ... they're just kind of, like... But he said the, the, the... It's still a state of hypnosis when you're just kinda driving and not thinking. You're just like, you know-

Joe Rogan 17:04 Oh, yeah. You turn up at your house and you're like-

Ari Shaffir 17:05 You're not hitting cars, you're not in danger of crashing. You're just like-

Big Jay Oakerson 17:07 Right. Right. You're in this-

Ari Shaffir 17:07 ... on this complete-

Joe Rogan 17:08 No memory of how you got back there.

Ari Shaffir 17:09 ... present autopilot, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:10 Doesn't that weird you out when you find yourself doing that?

Joe Rogan 17:12 You're like, "What the fuck?"

Ari Shaffir 17:13 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:13 Yeah. Like, "I'm doing everything right. I'm on the right road, I'm in the right lane. I'm not speeding."

Ari Shaffir 17:16 You're like, "I forgot if the last three lights were green."

Big Jay Oakerson 17:19 Yeah. What... How did, how did I just-

Joe Rogan 17:20 (laughs) There's a baby dragon behind you.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:21 How am I just zoning out while I'm driving?

Ari Shaffir 17:23 (laughs) You're like, "Those last lights were green," right? I'm not crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:26 Dude, it's so frustrating watching people text and drive. You watch 'em weave into the lane.

Ari Shaffir 17:29 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:29 Like pull your fucking phone out when you drive.

Joe Rogan 17:32 You can see it. You could see it ahead, you're like, "That's a texter for sure."

Big Jay Oakerson 17:34 God damn it. 100%. I always wanna get, pull up to 'em and just look at 'em.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Too dangerous.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:37 See if they're texting. You look at 'em texting. Look at 'em texting. It's a fucking jackass.

Joe Rogan 17:41 You know what I do when they're texting at a red light and they're looking down? I'll just, like, honk next to 'em, and so they just start going before it's, while it's still red.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:47 It's like, "What the fuck?" (laughs) Like, "Look it up."

Big Jay Oakerson 17:49 Well, you don't have to do that now with CarPlay. CarPlay is the shit.

Ari Shaffir 17:53 You just speak your text?

Big Jay Oakerson 17:54 I don't know if you do it... Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:55 I do it all the time. I take care of so much shit when I'm on my way to work.

Joe Rogan 17:59 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:00 Like, I say, "Text big J, go fuck yourself." Bam. And it says, "Go fuck yourself. Send it?" And I go, "Yes, send it."

Joe Rogan 18:06 Send. (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 18:07 Dude, I don't know what this... The qua-... In my car one time, me and Dan Soder were driving somewhere and we... I was like, uh, you know, "Hey, Siri," whatever you gotta say.

Joe Rogan 18:16 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 18:16 And I was like, uh, I was like, "Hey, Siri." And, uh, it was like, "What could I... What would you like me to do?" And Soder just goes, "Suck my dick," Ju- and then the car goes, "Okay." I have no idea why. It went, "Okay, texting suck my dick to Anthony Cumia." And I was like, "No, no, no, no, no."

Big Jay Oakerson 18:35 Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 18:38 I was just like... (laughs) Like, I've never texted Anthony Cumia ever and all of a sudden it's like, "Hey, suck my dick, by the way."

Joe Rogan 18:43 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:43 If you have, um, uh, like a shitty microphone-

Joe Rogan 18:46 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:47 ... in your car, it'll, it'll fuck up.

Joe Rogan 18:48 Mine does that when it's like, "Call so-and-so." Then like, calling this other person. You're like, "No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop."

Big Jay Oakerson 18:52 Yeah. Mine, um, you know how I wear those little AirPods?

Ari Shaffir 18:55 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:55 And, uh, sometimes I pick up the wrong ones. I have ones that I have for the sauna and then ones for real world.

Joe Rogan 19:00 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:00 And the ones for the sauna, they get cooked. They go bad.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Oh, yeah?

Big Jay Oakerson 19:04 Yeah, they go bad. So, like, the microphone's bad. I'm talking to people, they're like, "Where the fuck are you?"

Joe Rogan 19:08 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 19:08 I'm like, "All right, this mic's bad. It's cooked."

Joe Rogan 19:10 It's over.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:10 So it gets sweat in it and shit, and it gets fucked up. But they still play music. Like, you can still listen to audiobooks on them. They nev-... That never dies. But the microphone does.

Joe Rogan 19:18 The microphone's gone, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:20 And so if I do that, like, "Hey, Siri, call Ari Shaffir," it's like, you know, texting Greg Simmons-

Joe Rogan 19:24 It could be anybody.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:25 Like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:26 It, it doesn't know what the fuck you're saying.

Joe Rogan 19:27 Aaron Snoffer.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:28 It'll play a book for you.

Ari Shaffir 19:30 I like that it'll just keep guessing wrong, though.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:31 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 19:32 It never goes-

Joe Rogan 19:32 Keep gu-

Ari Shaffir 19:32 ... "I don't get it."

Joe Rogan 19:33 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 19:33 "I don't understand."

Big Jay Oakerson 19:34 What are you saying? One day it's gonna talk to you like, "Hey, Jay, is that really what you wanna say to your friend?"

Ari Shaffir 19:39 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 19:40 "Why don't you reconsider it?"

Joe Rogan 19:41 (laughs) You put something-

Ari Shaffir 19:42 "Think about this."

Big Jay Oakerson 19:42 You know? "Suck my dick." Really? To Anthony Cumia?

Ari Shaffir 19:45 "Are you ready to burn that bridge?"

Big Jay Oakerson 19:47 Do you think perhaps that Anthony Cumia is gay, and are you gay? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:51 Is that what you're trying to do with the text?

Big Jay Oakerson 19:52 Can I get some context?

Ari Shaffir 19:53 Is this more about-

Big Jay Oakerson 19:54 Right.

Ari Shaffir 19:54 ... you than him?

Big Jay Oakerson 19:55 What if, what if you opt in for AI to give you advice-

Ari Shaffir 20:00 ... like, what if you opt in?

Jamie Vernon 20:00 That would be interesting.

Big Jay Oakerson 20:01 Yeah. Like, what if you opt in for that?

Ari Shaffir 20:04 Like, high- It's like, uh- ... high mathematical probability advice?

Big Jay Oakerson 20:07 Yeah, yeah, if you opt in. So if you say, uh, "Text Anthony Cumia, 'Suck my dick,'" and it's like, "Big Jay, what are we doing?"

Jamie Vernon 20:14 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 20:15 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 20:15 I need some context here, first of all.

Ari Shaffir 20:16 Why are we doing this?

Big Jay Oakerson 20:17 Are you saying, "Suck my dick," because that's what you would like him to do?

Jamie Vernon 20:20 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 20:20 And are you gay? Or are you being insulting-

Jamie Vernon 20:23 Is this known as a-

Big Jay Oakerson 20:24 ... and possibly homophobic?

Ari Shaffir 20:26 ... ras-

Jamie Vernon 20:26 ... homophobic?

Ari Shaffir 20:26 ... classic projection.

Big Jay Oakerson 20:27 Yeah. Is this what you want? Do you really wanna put that energy out there in the world?

Ari Shaffir 20:32 I, uh, the voice AI is gonna be a problem. Does it sound like yet?

Big Jay Oakerson 20:36 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 20:36 That's gonna be... 'Cause we, we made that joke when, when- Sounds like the game. ... Soder left the Bonfire, like, uh, they gave us that program. They go, "Look," and you can just type whatever, and Soder's voice will say any-

Big Jay Oakerson 20:47 Anything.

Ari Shaffir 20:48 ... it's fucking crazy. So he's still on?

Big Jay Oakerson 20:49 Anything you want.

Ari Shaffir 20:49 That's crazy. Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 20:50 There's full podcasts of me having podcasts with people that I never talked to, like Steve Jobs.

Ari Shaffir 20:55 Really?

Big Jay Oakerson 20:55 There's, like, a whole conversation with me and Steve Jobs, apparently.

Ari Shaffir 20:58 That people just did on AI?

Big Jay Oakerson 20:59 I think they did-

Jamie Vernon 21:00 That's fucking nuts.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:00 ... it all on AI. They can do anything. Now it's over. Like, it's over. Like, any idea of what is or is not the truth-

Ari Shaffir 21:06 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:07 ... is gonna become a real problem.

Ari Shaffir 21:08 Do we have a date on it?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:09 And what is this fucking thing?

Ari Shaffir 21:09 'Cause I feel like I heard about it one day, ChatGPS, and I was like-

Big Jay Oakerson 21:12 Well, it just keeps going. I mean, it's four right now. It's gonna get to five, and it's gonna-

Ari Shaffir 21:16 What, leveled?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:17 Yeah. It's, like, different levels of it.

Ari Shaffir 21:18 Like, ear- early VR versus now is, like, miles difference.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:22 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 21:22 Nobody's getting nauseous anymore.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:23 Fuck, I just had a question, I can't remember what it was.

Ari Shaffir 21:25 No, I feel like it's-

Big Jay Oakerson 21:25 What were we just talking about?

Ari Shaffir 21:26 ... it hasn't changed as much AI.

Jamie Vernon 21:27 ChatGPT going forward?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:30 Yeah, now it's-

Ari Shaffir 21:31 AI making decisions for you or giving you suggestions?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:33 I'm not gonna remember.

Jamie Vernon 21:34 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 21:34 But it has, uh, something to do with it.

Ari Shaffir 21:38 The voice podcast that looked like you? Oh, yeah, using my voice.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:42 Oh, no, this is what it was. That fucking TikTok ban. Like, what is this actual law?

Jamie Vernon 21:47 Oh, that bill has nothing to do with TikTok, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:49 It has nothing to do with TikTok.

Ari Shaffir 21:51 What is it?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:51 It's, it's all about-

Jamie Vernon 21:52 Respect Act.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:52 ... having power to restrict access to... Like-

Ari Shaffir 21:56 What's the deal with TikTok?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:57 Let's, let's pull it up. Let's figure out what it is.

Ari Shaffir 21:58 When did TikTok become, like, a fucking evil...

Big Jay Oakerson 22:00 Well, first of all, they nailed it. Adam Curry doesn't think they are. Adam Curry's perspective when I talked to him, and Adam Curry's brilliant.

Ari Shaffir 22:06 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:07 He said he thinks that they're eating tech in America's lunch, and they're trying to block, block them out because it's a Chinese-owned company. And because they're saying that China's scooping up all the data, guess what? He goes, he goes, "That's exactly what these other companies are doing too."

Ari Shaffir 22:19 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:20 They're all scooping up your data.

Ari Shaffir 22:21 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:21 The idea that your data's going to China is a problem-

Ari Shaffir 22:23 But what does that mean it goes to China? Like, who-

Big Jay Oakerson 22:25 It's because China is, represents competition, and they developed an app that's the most addictive app ever.

Ari Shaffir 22:31 Sure, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:32 That's just, that's just Adam Curry speaking.

Jamie Vernon 22:33 But also selling the information.

Ari Shaffir 22:34 Is Adam Curry MTV original VJ?

Big Jay Oakerson 22:36 Yeah, that guy's the shit.

Ari Shaffir 22:36 Yeah, he's, like, a huge tech guy, yeah, yeah.

Jamie Vernon 22:37 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:37 Do you know he's the fucking original podcaster?

Ari Shaffir 22:39 Really?

Big Jay Oakerson 22:39 He's the pod father. He's number one.

Ari Shaffir 22:42 It's wi-... Yeah, he was, a couple things he was, like, ground level on.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:44 Well, he's super, like, deep in on the internet, man. Like...

Ari Shaffir 22:47 And so, yeah, it seems the same. It seems like it's just an app that they're making money off ads. But I will say what's, I've never seen before, 'cause Christine, my girlfriend, is like, uh- She's on it nonstop. And I really, like, and then she stops herself now, but the fact that you're in a position where you have to stop yourself and, like, she wait-... she can't wait for me to go to the bathroom or whatever so she can just start seeing more of them. And I, I'm genuinely afraid- Of getting lost in that path. ... to try, but I, but I almost, like, almost like the same reason I wanna try crack once, like, see what all the hubbub's about, I wanna go on and be like, "Is it getting..." I'm not into watching bite-sized videos over-

Jamie Vernon 23:19 You'll get every time, I think. Yeah, you will, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:20 But the thing is, is what it does is it finds what you're into.

Ari Shaffir 23:23 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:23 And one, one of the ways I know that is my 12-year-old and my 14-year-old have fucking completely different feeds.

Ari Shaffir 23:28 Whoa.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:29 And they talk about it. Like, my 12-year-old is into, like, weird facts and strange things. She'll... All kinds of stuff that the 14-year-old's not into. The 14-year-old's into, like, dress-up videos. It's like they're all-

Ari Shaffir 23:39 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:39 ... people are into different shit, and that's when it'll find your thing. It's, like, really good at that. But it's also, like, super invasive. But then the question is how much do we know other than what we found out from Twitter? How much do we know about, like, what these other companies are doing? Like, if we were to, you, and you just sign up for someone's app, and then, like, how about when you're talking about something and then you see a Google ad for it?

Ari Shaffir 24:00 Yep.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:00 Like, what happened there?

Ari Shaffir 24:01 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 24:01 You know, and the microphone-

Big Jay Oakerson 24:02 We all know by now.

Ari Shaffir 24:02 What the fuck is going on? Well, you know, it's funny, but you can turn that off. You can turn that... That's actually a, uh, function.

Jamie Vernon 24:07 How?

Ari Shaffir 24:07 If you go into, like, Facebook on your phone, you can, all of them, you put "Turn microphone off." It's an option. So it doesn't do that.

Jamie Vernon 24:15 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:15 Mm.

Ari Shaffir 24:15 If you turn the microphone off, though, the app doesn't do almost anything.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:19 Oh my God.

Ari Shaffir 24:19 It's just annoying. It takes something passing. It's, it's, it makes you almost keep it on.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:22 Right.

Ari Shaffir 24:22 And that's the only reason I have it on, but I-

Big Jay Oakerson 24:24 It hobbles it.

Ari Shaffir 24:24 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:25 It hobbles it so it can listen to you constantly.

Ari Shaffir 24:27 That's too far. That's too far. Following shopping habits or something, it's like maybe. That's way too far.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:31 I- i-

Ari Shaffir 24:31 What about, like, an Alexa helps you solve a crime 'cause it, like, was recording or something? I hate that.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:35 If we didn't know, if, you know, if, like, this whole, uh, thing with Edward Snowden didn't come down-

Ari Shaffir 24:42 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:42 ... he, we, we would... And that was a long time ago, if you really stop and think about it. We would have no fucking idea that there was a, a government full-scale surveillance program that was on the American people. Like, on everybody.

Ari Shaffir 24:56 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:57 Like, they could spy on anybody. They don't have to have warrants anymore. They're just... They can do whatever they want. They can get all your emails, all your voicemails. Like, that is wild shit. And we found out about it because, uh, a guy told everybody and then had to hide in Russia.

Ari Shaffir 25:12 Damn, it's crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:12 Clear AI scrapped 30 billion images from Facebook and other social media sites and gave them to cops. Oh my God.

Ari Shaffir 25:20 Yeah, but it's back on f-

Big Jay Oakerson 25:20 Put's them into a perpetual police lineup.

Ari Shaffir 25:22 Oh, so no more of that.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:23 So AI is-

Ari Shaffir 25:23 They're not in the system. They're not in the system.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:25 Look at that, 30 billion images from Facebook and social media sites-

Ari Shaffir 25:30 What?

Big Jay Oakerson 25:30 ... and gave them to police, so now they have your name and your face. So if you have a fake ID, if you, you know, you get pulled over, they know exactly who you are, and they can run that through some fucking computer that has a database of everything ever.

Ari Shaffir 25:45 Of everything ever?

Big Jay Oakerson 25:45 Your social media, everything you've ever done.

Ari Shaffir 25:47 Wow. That's so much deeper than DNA evidence 'cause they would say that, you know, if, if someone didn't have their DNA in-

Big Jay Oakerson 25:52 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 25:52 ... like, the stuff they- Yeah. ... that you couldn't find something. If it was their first-time, like, crime, and they weren't... Now- You could be like, "Did you buy a shovel recently?"

Big Jay Oakerson 25:59 Jimmy, what is the law?

Ari Shaffir 25:59 You're in, you're in the system if you have a phone. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:01 What is this TikTok law? Because people are freaking out about it, and it's, people are telling me that I have to look into it.

Jamie Vernon 26:06 Confusion is calling it the TikTok law for, to begin with just, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:08 The Restrict Act.

Jamie Vernon 26:09 TikTok is not listed in there at all.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:12 Right, so-

Jamie Vernon 26:13 But yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:13 ... but it's, you know, that's like, uh, the don't say gay bill.

Jamie Vernon 26:16 Sure, sure.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:16 Never really says don't say gay in any of it.

Ari Shaffir 26:18 Yeah, that was a misleading one. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:19 It's very misleading.

Jamie Vernon 26:20 But that's also kinda how it's being sold to people as, like, "This is what's gonna stop the bad TikTok stuff."

Big Jay Oakerson 26:25 Right.

Jamie Vernon 26:25 But it's like, "Hey, TikTok is not mentioned in here, so-

Big Jay Oakerson 26:28 Really?

Jamie Vernon 26:28 ... maybe it won't do that at all."

Speaker 26:29 So what does it say?

Big Jay Oakerson 26:31 So... So this is what... Instead of like just going after Tik- TikTok, they're making this sweeping act.

Speaker 26:37 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:37 The RESTRICT Act is, is described as, "A systematic framework for addressing technology-based threats to the security and safety of Americans." That sounds ominous.

Speaker 26:46 Wow, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:46 "It grants the Secretary of Commerce the authority to review trans- cran- transactions by certain foreign entities who offer information and communications technologies, products and services in order to identify, investigate, and mitigate undue and unacceptable risks to the national security of the United States or its citizens. This is... This includes, but not limited to, impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy, sabotage or subversion of ICTS in the United States." Boy, that could be interpreted a lot of ways.

Speaker 27:24 Any which way.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:24 "Interference and manipulation of federal elections," which could mean you're just skeptical or you're gullible, and you bought into some conspiracy theories, and you're talking about them.

Speaker 27:36 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:36 And instead of just being able to just talk like a nonsense person, you, you get jacked. Undermining-

Speaker 27:41 So it's kind of like... It's like, yeah, it's like subverting the press.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:43 ... "undermining the democratic process to steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States." Like, man, this is all so open to interpretation.

Speaker 28:00 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:00 Like, oh, think of those things-

Speaker 28:01 Held in part by.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:02 ... "Impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy." That's easy to do. You can impact it? What, how, what if you impacted it in a positive way? (laughs)

Speaker 28:10 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:10 Like what he's saying, impact it, the digital economy. Like how do they... What, what, what have you done? Do you promote a certain coin and it blows up-

Speaker 28:18 Yeah, but if you, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 28:18 ... then you just impacted-

Speaker 28:19 Yeah. But if you, like, stopped using eBay.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:21 ... the digital economy? Yeah, I mean, if you... If someone... Like, think about, like these Bitcoin guys.

Speaker 28:25 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:25 Like if, if, uh, Elon posts a Dogecoin, uh, image, immediately-

Speaker 28:30 It goes up.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:30 ... Dogecoin goes up, right?

Speaker 28:32 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:32 Doesn't that impact the digital economy?

Speaker 28:35 Yeah. For the better.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:35 So what does that mean?

Speaker 28:36 Yeah. I don't know. I, I thought-

Big Jay Oakerson 28:37 So what if, what if he says, "The crypto is bullshit" 'cause he believes it. Well, doesn't that impact the digital economy?

Speaker 28:43 Yeah, they could arrest him.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:44 And are they talking about the digital economy that exists now? Or are they talking about a centralized digital currency was... Is... Which is what China does, or which is what they wanna do?

Speaker 28:53 Is that what they're saying though? Are they saying that Elon Musk, it would be illegal for him to have to pump Dogecoin?

Big Jay Oakerson 28:56 I don't know what they're saying. The problem is the way that's w-... I mean, obviously, I'm not a lawyer. But the way that's written... Scroll back down, so I could read that. The way that's written.

Speaker 29:05 Yeah. Okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:05 "Impact to the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy." The end digital economy is included in there. Like what does that mean?

Speaker 29:14 I don't know. I've never made money digitally. So I don't know. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 29:18 Yeah. But look at this. So this thing, "information, communications, technologies, products, or services," right? So this is, this is ICTS. "Sabotage or subversion of ICTS in the United States."

Speaker 29:34 What's ICTS again?

Big Jay Oakerson 29:35 So it's information-

Speaker 29:36 I have no idea.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:36 ... communications, technologies, products, or services." All right?

Speaker 29:40 Okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:40 So, "In order to identify, investigate, and mitigate undue and unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States." So if you did something that sa-... So subversion.

Speaker 29:50 So they're saying-

Big Jay Oakerson 29:50 So imagine if you said-

Speaker 29:52 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:52 ... "I think these people are full of shit, and I think, you know, what they're trying to do is gain control of the United States-"

Speaker 29:58 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:58 "... and I think we should resist that." That would fall into that.

Speaker 30:01 And they're selling, and they're selling it as TikTok is doing this. TikTok is subverting our elections, or TikTok-

Jamie Vernon 30:06 They're not even selling it that way.

Speaker 30:06 ... is subverting our economy. So we have to be careful of, no?

Big Jay Oakerson 30:09 They're not even selling it that way. They're not even selling it that way.

Jamie Vernon 30:11 They're selling it as, (clears throat) "These, these countries are the foreign adversaries that may do bad stuff."

Speaker 30:17 So they're like, "It's a risk that they're gonna do something bad with this."

Jamie Vernon 30:20 Yeah. Like they've listed using a VPN as a way to subvert that, which would be-

Speaker 30:24 What?

Jamie Vernon 30:24 ... illegal-

Speaker 30:24 Dude-

Jamie Vernon 30:24 ... and you get a gigantic fine-

Speaker 30:26 Ugh.

Jamie Vernon 30:26 ... and maybe 20 years in prison.

Speaker 30:27 What? To use a VPN here? Ugh. How do you steal-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:29 Imagine-

Speaker 30:30 (laughs) How do you steal-

Jamie Vernon 30:30 They're gonna criminalize that?

Speaker 30:31 Who's gonna wreck that?

Big Jay Oakerson 30:31 Imagine-

Jamie Vernon 30:32 If everybody says to get that-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:33 ... they're gonna criminalize VPNs.

Jamie Vernon 30:35 I'm always told to get a VPN.

Speaker 30:36 VPN. Yeah, you should get a VPN.

Big Jay Oakerson 30:37 "Potentially criminalizing the use of a VPN service or side-loading to access services blocked from doing business in the United States under the act, due to the text stating that no person may cause or aid, abet, counsel, command, induce, procure, permit, or approve of the doing of any act that violates the orders issued under the act." What?

Speaker 31:00 Oh, that's so confusing.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:01 Bro, they're trying to gain more power. This is creepy. This is not-

Speaker 31:05 Don't do it.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:05 ... good. And I just gotta hope that people wise up and don't pass this. Does it seem like this is something that they're, they're passing?

Jamie Vernon 31:12 Uh, I don't know that it's gotten that far. I know it's been proposed, but-

Speaker 31:16 Do you think there's an order to it? Where it's like first we bill, uh, China as going after Hong Kong and Taiwan. Now we see them as the enemy, now a business associated with them. We can get rid of that now.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:25 Yeah. I don't know, man. I, I-

Jamie Vernon 31:27 But I mean, the problem is like TikTok zombifies people. So like if you take it away, (laughs) they're gonna revolt.

Speaker 31:32 Yeah, they won't.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:33 I don't think you have to take it away. Um, but I think that act has nothing to do with TikTok. If it... If people have like legitimate concerns that people are abusing and overusing TikTok-

Speaker 31:44 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:44 ... that's a conversation people should have.

Speaker 31:46 Sure.

Jamie Vernon 31:47 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:47 But if this... This is not that.

Jamie Vernon 31:49 It's not because of that.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:50 This is something-

Jamie Vernon 31:50 It's not because everyone's using it too much.

Speaker 31:51 This is about what they're getting when they use it.

Jamie Vernon 31:53 What they're doing with it, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:53 All that stuff seemed very vague to me. Obviously, I'm an idiot. But all that stuff seems very vague-

Speaker 31:58 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:58 ... when they're reading out like what they can get you for.

Speaker 32:01 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:01 And that last thing about acts that are listed as impermissible under the act or whatever the fuck the, the wording was. Like what the fuck is...

Speaker 32:08 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:08 Like you covering all the bases. It seems like it's so open to interpretation. Now imagine if something like that existed during the pandemic.

Speaker 32:18 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:18 In the beginning of the pandemic, where people go, "You know, I don't know if these fucking masks work." You know, "Aah!" You would immediately get-

Speaker 32:24 Right. That's against the public health.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:26 That's against that.

Speaker 32:26 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:27 That's right. That's exactly what they're saying.

Speaker 32:27 You'd be in legal trouble for saying that.

Jamie Vernon 32:29 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:29 Now we know they don't work. So-

Speaker 32:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 32:31 ... then it was, uh, we think that you can still get sick even if you get vaccinated. That... Immediately, you would get banned from things.

Speaker 32:37 I don't think you could get-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:38 So if this was in place-

Jamie Vernon 32:39 Well, this guy got.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:39 ... been gone.

Jamie Vernon 32:40 A meme guy got found guilty for posting memes. I don't know the exact details of his court case.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:44 He got found guilty?

Jamie Vernon 32:45 Yeah, they found him guilty with penalties.

Speaker 32:46 And then what? What does that mean?

Jamie Vernon 32:47 Who found him guilty?

Big Jay Oakerson 32:47 Do you know the memes guy? He... It was a very subtle parody of Hillary Clinton. He was like-

Speaker 32:53 Unguilty.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:53 ... trying to say, uh, with this thing...... like, to Hillary voters, they could just stay home and text your vote into this number. Wasn't that it?

Speaker 33:01 Oh.

Ari Shaffir 33:01 Something like that, yeah. We tried to find that.

Speaker 33:02 But it was parody.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:03 Yeah.

Speaker 33:03 But they took it seriously.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:04 But-

Speaker 33:04 Or somebody said, "C- could you believe this is happening?"

Big Jay Oakerson 33:06 ... they found the dude who did it, and they fucking arrested him.

Speaker 33:09 What?

Ari Shaffir 33:09 He tweeted that out.

Speaker 33:11 Avoid the line, vote from home. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 33:11 Avoid the line, vote from home. Text Hillary to 59925.

Speaker 33:15 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 33:15 Vote for Hillary and be a part of history.

Speaker 33:17 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 33:18 Amazing. I mean, amazing. Amazing. He was convicted today by a federal jury in Brooklyn of charge of conspiracy against the rights...

Speaker 33:27 It's the context. You took away the context of the... Totally.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:30 ... of the parody.

Ari Shaffir 33:30 So it's like, that's just subverting.

Speaker 33:31 If you also bel- if you also believe... If you believe that was true, don't vote anyway, man. If you believe there wasn't anything you could do.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:38 Yeah, you shouldn't get a vote. You shouldn't get a vote.

Ari Shaffir 33:39 You shouldn't get a vote.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:39 You shouldn't be able to vote if you can't get... If you get duped by that?

Speaker 33:41 Yeah. But is there a line?

Big Jay Oakerson 33:42 Oh, nice. Well, why would anybody wait in line, huh?

Ari Shaffir 33:45 We're worried about old people. We're worried about old people, right?

Speaker 33:46 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:47 But at a certain point in time, should you really still be voting?

Speaker 33:49 They shou- if you can't drive without murdering a bunch of people at a fair-

Ari Shaffir 33:53 (laughs)

Speaker 33:53 ... then you cannot vote.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:55 There's this recent-

Speaker 33:56 At a fair. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 33:56 ... conversation that Biden had with Don Lemon.

Speaker 33:59 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:59 Have you seen it?

Speaker 34:00 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:01 There's this recent conversation where he's like... He asks him if he's been vaccinated. It's ve- it's very strange.

Speaker 34:08 He asked Biden if he was vaccinated?

Big Jay Oakerson 34:09 He asked Biden if he was vaccinated. Um, now, I don't kn- again, I don't know if this is real. Here's the problem, I didn't watch it when it came out. And with AI now, you-

Speaker 34:16 You don't know if it's real anymore.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:17 You don't, you don't know what the fuck is real.

Speaker 34:18 I love it. I love the idea that we're not gonna believe anything in pictures.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:21 Because-

Speaker 34:21 It's only gonna be real life. That's all we can accept.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:22 But this is, like, a video of Biden, like, stammering, like, we can't find what he's talking about. And he's kinda drifting and talking about different things, and none of it makes any sense to anybody.

Speaker 34:32 How long ago was it from?

Ari Shaffir 34:33 You see-

Narrator 34:33 No, it worked.

Ari Shaffir 34:34 Or-

Speaker 34:35 Yeah, that's it.

Narrator 34:35 Y- y- you got the vaccination? Are y- are y- are you okay? I mean, you seem... No, it works. Or, y- you know, or, or, or the mom and dad, or, or, or the neighbor, or when you go to church, or when you're... No, n- I- I- I really mean it, there are... Trust in an democratus. Think of the people... If, if your kid wanted to find out whether or not there were... There's a man on the moon or whatever, you know, something-

Speaker 35:03 (laughs)

Narrator 35:03 Or, you know, whether those aliens are real or not.

Speaker 35:06 (laughs)

Narrator 35:06 Who are the people they talk to be on the kids who love talking about it?

Speaker 35:10 I do feel sympathy.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:11 How do you... How does that make sense?

Speaker 35:11 It feels like when I smoke too much pot before a show- ... and then I go on a tangent in the middle of a joke and don't know where I'm going. (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 35:17 Oh, yeah. Those are fun.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:17 That's how he sounds.

Speaker 35:18 Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

Ari Shaffir 35:19 Those are fun.

Speaker 35:20 And... Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 35:21 Those are fun.

Speaker 35:21 And I'm not saying... No, uh, listen, for real though? (laughs) But, um, wait.

Ari Shaffir 35:25 What was that?

Big Jay Oakerson 35:26 You were there.

Speaker 35:26 What was that?

Big Jay Oakerson 35:27 What was that?

Speaker 35:28 I don't know.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:28 Like, at that point in time, should you still be voting?

Speaker 35:31 Uh, y- yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:32 Like, if it wasn't the president. I mean, if you can show... Like, should we... I don't wanna restrict anybody's right to vote, right? Nobody does.

Speaker 35:38 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:38 But if you're, like, some fucking crazy crackpot QAnon person-

Speaker 35:43 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:43 ... and you got an uncle that can't read anymore-

Speaker 35:45 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:45 ... and you take him in there to vote, "We're gonna fucking vote for Marjorie Taylor Greene." You know, you, like, start writing things in, and, like...

Speaker 35:52 Also, yeah.

Ari Shaffir 35:52 What about voting exit? If you-

Speaker 35:53 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 35:54 You can't vote till you're 18, maybe you have to stop when you're, like, 80.

Speaker 35:57 Yeah, 80. Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 35:58 Maybe 80 is a good-

Speaker 35:59 These laws aren't gonna affect you, they're gonna affect us.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:01 Yeah. I mean, stop, stop being in line.

Speaker 36:04 Yeah. Every day's a gift, bitch. Just live it out.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:07 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 36:07 The video was edited just a little bit, apparently.

Speaker 36:09 Oh, that's all you need.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:10 Oh.

Ari Shaffir 36:12 They tried to find out if the-

Speaker 36:12 That's all you need. You can't believe any of it.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:14 Amazing, though. That's amazing.

Speaker 36:15 Uh-huh.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:15 It looked so seamless.

Ari Shaffir 36:17 Yeah, he was telling... He went into a story. He was answering his question, but then he went into a story, and they took out that part, I guess. Yeah, went into the story.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:21 Oh, what cunts.

Speaker 36:23 Just take away the-

Big Jay Oakerson 36:24 Just to make him look rambling.

Ari Shaffir 36:25 He fumfers around plenty though.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:27 He pumpers around plenty.

Speaker 36:28 At some point-

Big Jay Oakerson 36:28 His words aren't real.

Speaker 36:29 ... so let's say you have a dad in a family who's leading it, then he becomes a little older and he starts going senile.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:32 Yeah.

Speaker 36:32 At some point, all the kids are like, "We don't have to listen to him anymore," right?

Big Jay Oakerson 36:35 Yeah, "You gotta take care of him now."

Speaker 36:37 Look at this... Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:38 Now it's like, "We gotta take care of dad or else he, you know, drives a lawnmower on the highway."

Speaker 36:42 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:42 You know?

Speaker 36:43 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:43 (laughs) You have to take care of dad. You know?

Speaker 36:45 The other chicks are taking over at this point.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:46 I have friends that have dads that are compromised. It's a real problem. It's, it's like they k- you can't leave them alone, they don't know where they're going.

Speaker 36:53 Damn.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:53 They'll just get in the car and drive. They'll, you know-

Speaker 36:55 That's wild.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:55 They'll go some place and forget how to get home.

Speaker 36:57 And they don't wanna give up the keys.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:58 Well, they don't wanna... They don't wanna stop living their life, and then sometimes you have to, uh, you know, put them in a, a place where there's gonna be medical supervisors watching over them.

Speaker 37:08 Damn.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:08 Because they, they don't know what's going on.

Speaker 37:10 How awful is it that, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:11 Horrible.

Speaker 37:12 ... Bruce Willis-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:13 Oh, my God.

Speaker 37:13 ... like, like knows it's coming.

Ari Shaffir 37:14 Whoa.

Speaker 37:15 Like he's not even there yet.

Ari Shaffir 37:16 What?

Speaker 37:16 And it's like... Yeah, it's like...

Ari Shaffir 37:17 What?

Speaker 37:17 It's, it's, it's incurable, what he's got.

Ari Shaffir 37:19 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:20 He's pretty fucked up. He's got something called aphasia, and then there's also, like, some other diagnosis that he got recently. Like some form of dementia.

Speaker 37:27 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:28 Yeah, some neurodegenerative type deal.

Speaker 37:29 Bruce fucking Willis?

Big Jay Oakerson 37:31 It's like-

Ari Shaffir 37:31 Yeah. It's like, and it's... It, it won't get better, and he's aware that over the next, like, probably year, I guess, or so-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:36 Oh.

Ari Shaffir 37:37 ... it's gonna... He's gonna become, like, not aware of what's going on around him.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:39 God, what causes that? You know?

Ari Shaffir 37:41 It's something with, uh...

Speaker 37:42 What would you do? Would you just go to, into senility, or would you, like, handle it?

Big Jay Oakerson 37:46 I would try mushrooms.

Speaker 37:48 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:48 Because, you know, the neurodegenerative r- m- pr- uh, process of, like, any kind of a disease like that-

Speaker 37:53 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:53 ... I would imagine, when you talk about... What is the... There's a, a thing that mushrooms can do. So it's like-

Speaker 37:59 Change your neural pathway?

Big Jay Oakerson 38:00 Lion's mane, and, um-

Speaker 38:03 Golden teachers?

Big Jay Oakerson 38:03 ... and, um, and psilocybin. They apparently can help to grow neurons.

Speaker 38:08 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:08 Which is, which is very, very unusual. There's something about it. Psychedelic drugs actually help neurons in the brain sprout new dendrites, which, (coughs) which look like branches on a tree, to increase communication between cells. These drugs can increase neural outgrowth. They can increase the branching of neurons. They can increase your synapses. So, I would imagine, if it can do that, that there's probably some benefit if someone's got something wrong with their mind.

Speaker 38:38 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:38 And it seems like it's feeding the mind.

Speaker 38:41 Maybe.

Ari Shaffir 38:41 That's worth a try.

Speaker 38:41 Yeah, it's worth a try. May as well.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:43 Dude, that's the b- the greatest theory of all time, is Terence McKenna's stoned ape theory.

Speaker 38:47 That just evolved them?

Big Jay Oakerson 38:48 I think that's, that's how people game- became people, that we were primates and we stumbled upon mushrooms, we started eating them, and then we became-

Speaker 38:55 And the brains grew.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:56 ... better hunters, we got smarter. If it does that, doesn't that make sense? If you just... If you're a mush-

Speaker 39:01 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:01 If you're a monkey and you're eating mushrooms all the time, you'd probably, like, figure out things. You know, be like-

Speaker 39:05 I like to imagine it happen instantly, where the mushrooms, the monkeys eating it, you know, just like, "Oh." And then just suddenly like, "What?"Whoa. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 39:12 There's a video on that.

Speaker 39:12 And then someone's like, "You just got back?" Like, yeah, what the fuck?

Big Jay Oakerson 39:14 There's a video. There's this dude-

Speaker 39:15 Although no one I know who takes-

Big Jay Oakerson 39:17 ... Bob Cesca he made a video on that.

Speaker 39:18 ... knows.

Ari Shaffir 39:18 Nobody really knows is tons and tons of mushrooms though seems like they're, like, evolving. (laughs)

Speaker 39:22 Yeah, true. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 39:23 I know, that's a very good point.

Ari Shaffir 39:25 (laughs) Their fashion stops changing.

Speaker 39:27 (laughs) They never seem like, "No, dude, I'm above you."

Ari Shaffir 39:29 They get that thick gray beard. Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 39:30 I... You gotta have... Do you know when... Do you have it already? Oh, that's it. Yeah.

Narrator 39:36 Some of them continue.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:37 No, no, no, no, that's not it. That's not it.

Speaker 39:38 That's a very good likeness of you, Joe.

Narrator 39:39 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 39:39 That's not it. I'm gonna... I'll find it. I'm sorry, Jamie. I'll find it. Talk amongst yourselves.

Speaker 39:43 (laughs) Uh, well, we got Big Jay Special coming out right now.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:46 Oh, shit.

Speaker 39:48 Dog Belly.

Ari Shaffir 39:48 Coming out right now.

Speaker 39:49 How excited are you, Jay?

Ari Shaffir 39:51 I'm so excited. Ari came in and showed me everything I would've never known how to do at all-

Speaker 39:56 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 39:56 ... in special making. Uh, I thought... (laughs) That's the funniest one I tell people is that, uh, when Ari was like, "I'll help you," I was like, "All right. So I guess now we start the process of hiring the first of what, 50 people we have to hire?" (laughs)

Speaker 40:10 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 40:10 You have zero clue.

Speaker 40:11 He's like, "Nah, you just, uh, you just gotta hire a producer. It'll be fine."

Ari Shaffir 40:14 Yeah. He's like, "How do you find a lighting guy?"

Speaker 40:15 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 40:15 I'm like, "No, we don't."

Big Jay Oakerson 40:17 (laughs) Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 40:17 "Someone else."

Big Jay Oakerson 40:17 "Do I have to go to a boom microphone store?"

Ari Shaffir 40:20 Interview them?

Big Jay Oakerson 40:21 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 40:22 Um.

Speaker 40:23 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 40:23 But yeah, Ari walked me through that. So yeah, I'm pumped, man. This is, uh...

Narrator 40:26 I think this one is-

Speaker 40:27 When was your last one? Hold on, we'll talk about it in a second.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:29 No, nope. That's not it. That's not it.

Speaker 40:30 It's not it?

Big Jay Oakerson 40:30 God dammit.

Narrator 40:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 40:31 This is crazy. I have so many videos on my phone. I'm such an idiot.

Ari Shaffir 40:34 (sighs)

Big Jay Oakerson 40:35 Oh, I found it. I found it. I found it. Here it goes.

Speaker 40:37 Okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:37 Here it goes. Bob Cesca. I, uh, actually had him make this back in, like... Man, I wanna say, like, the '90s. It might've been, like, 2000 or something like that. Or 2001.

Speaker 40:51 And he made an, an- a chimp instantly changing?

Big Jay Oakerson 40:54 Did you get it? Um, i- it's, uh, it's The Stoned Ape Theory. Like, go full screen. Here it is.

Speaker 41:02 (sighs)

Big Jay Oakerson 41:02 It's made a long time ago.

Narrator 41:03 Water. (gasps) Oh, shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:17 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 41:20 (laughs)

Narrator 41:26 (upbeat music) (laughs) My name is Steve. Hey.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:31 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 41:42 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 41:55 How dope is that?

Ari Shaffir 41:57 Damn, that's cool.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:03 Okay, I fucked up. I fucked up. That's not Bob Cesca. That's not the one he made for him.

Ari Shaffir 42:07 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 42:07 That's a different one, but that one's awesome. There's... Who did that? Can you find out who made that?

Ari Shaffir 42:11 It was funny. It was on-

Big Jay Oakerson 42:12 If that's possible. It's 'cause... That was on Comedy Central.

Ari Shaffir 42:14 It's funny, it's on Comedy Central and then the video underneath of it said, like, it was Why The Stoned Ape Theory Is Bad.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:20 (laughs)

Speaker 42:21 Oh, God.

Ari Shaffir 42:21 It was funny. Like, it was on Comedy Central, first of all. Like, relax.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:25 The Bob Cesca one now I'm remembering was different. It had, like, aliens and laser beams.

Ari Shaffir 42:29 That one was cool.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:30 And they fucked up people. Yeah. Do you remember that one?

Ari Shaffir 42:31 No, that one looked like a... No, this one was cool.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:32 That one... Well, that was dope as fuck but that was not the one that I had anything to do with.

Ari Shaffir 42:35 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:35 That, that... But that's Terence McKenna's theory. He thinks that they just started eating mushrooms and figuring things out.

Ari Shaffir 42:40 Evolved their brains. I like that.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:41 It's fi-... It's backed by climate science because that was... At the time there's a giant jump in human brain size. Over a period of, like, two million years the human brain doubles, which is bananas apparently. And so what it coincides with, Th- Tip Tank.

Narrator 42:58 Trip Tank.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:59 Trip Tank, Trip Tank. Stoned Ape Theory.

Ari Shaffir 43:00 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:00 But is that just a website that has it hosted?

Narrator 43:03 Yeah, I mean this... It was a show on, uh...

Big Jay Oakerson 43:05 Oh, that was the show called Trip Tank?

Narrator 43:07 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:08 That fucking thing's awesome. But, um, so he thinks that this, this time, this period of two million years, it coincides with these rainforests receding into grasslands. And so the food sources change because then there's cows shitting in the grass, and then they're looking for different things to eat and they flip over cow patties and find, like, bugs and shit to eat.

Ari Shaffir 43:28 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:28 They've always done that.

Speaker 43:28 Yeah, just like this is a vegetable.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:29 They si-... They ate the, the mushrooms too. They tried them.

Ari Shaffir 43:32 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:32 And when they ate them, they realized it makes them see better. It increases visual acuity in low doses. And it also makes you horny. It makes you like... I- I- it produces synesthesia, which is, uh, like it helps cultivate language.

Ari Shaffir 43:45 Whoa.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:45 There's like... Dennis McKenna has the best descriptive of it because he's... You know, he's Terence's brother, who's like this legit scientist, is a genius. And the way he breaks it down, he talks about the way psilocybin interacts with the brain is really perfectly aligned with something that would make the brain grow if primates just kept eating it and, and evolved into what we are now. Like, we might be a combination of, like, animal and mushroom. (laughs)

Speaker 44:12 (laughs) They say they're from another planet. Jay, you can't eat them.

Ari Shaffir 44:14 I can't. That's what I was gonna say. There's so... For so-... (laughs) You're saying all these beautiful things it does.

Speaker 44:19 Forget about that.

Ari Shaffir 44:19 It makes your brain grow.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:20 What happens to you?

Ari Shaffir 44:21 It's the connective tissue of language. And if I eat them up, they're just grow... Like, the texture and taste.

Speaker 44:25 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 44:25 Nothing to do with all the magic of them.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:27 No, get the c- get candies. Get some good candies for you.

Ari Shaffir 44:28 No, I will. That's what I'll do. Like, uh, generally.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:30 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 44:30 But, like, it is funny. Eating them actually-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:33 Like, "Ugh."

Ari Shaffir 44:33 "No." I'll throw them right back up on pure text... Nothing to do with the poison in them or anything.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:37 Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 44:38 It's dusty. (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 44:39 I'm just like... (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 44:39 I like them. I don't mind at all.

Speaker 44:41 They're a good taste. They're a good taste if you really like having them.

Ari Shaffir 44:42 If I get chicken gristle in my mouth I go gag over a trashcan for five minutes.

Speaker 44:46 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 44:46 I like the, the just the straight mushroom 'cause you know what you're getting too.

Ari Shaffir 44:50 Uh-huh.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:50 So you're not fucking around with some ground up pills-

Speaker 44:53 Doseages.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:53 ... that some hippie made. Get out of here, bitch.

Ari Shaffir 44:55 That's why I never understand, like, edibles to me.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:57 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 44:58 What, is this .1 or 1?

Big Jay Oakerson 44:59 I had a bit about that.

Ari Shaffir 44:59 When someone's made, like, a batch of, like, you know, weed brownies or something-

Big Jay Oakerson 45:03 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 45:03 ... and you go, "Well, what if all the weeds and w-"

Big Jay Oakerson 45:05 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 45:05 How do you fucking possibly know that?

Speaker 45:07 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 45:07 They, they don't. Each one's 30 grams. (laughs)

Speaker 45:10 You had a bit about it-

Big Jay Oakerson 45:10 Ari and I were on the front lines.

Speaker 45:11 ... the 1X, 2X, 3X days.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:12 Yeah.

Speaker 45:13 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:13 Yeah, because I had a bit about the gummy bear when the guy told me, "Take just the leg."... I go-

Speaker 45:17 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:18 ... "What?"

Speaker 45:19 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 45:19 I'm like, "Why the fuck are you selling whole bears?"

Speaker 45:21 Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 45:21 It was so ridiculous.

Ari Shaffir 45:23 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 45:23 They were so strong. You remember those gummies?

Speaker 45:25 Those gummies hermanos.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:26 Bro, they were-

Ari Shaffir 45:26 Yeah, they were strong.

Speaker 45:27 They ruled.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:28 They were so strong. But like-

Ari Shaffir 45:29 That's what I'm saying, if you just took it-

Big Jay Oakerson 45:30 Nobody really-

Ari Shaffir 45:30 Is there possibly no weed in the-

Big Jay Oakerson 45:33 No.

Ari Shaffir 45:33 ... arm?

Big Jay Oakerson 45:34 No, no, no, no, no. No, no, they, they, those guys, they had it down. Those guys just were trying to kill you.

Speaker 45:39 Dude, I gave my brother-

Big Jay Oakerson 45:40 They were trying to kill you.

Speaker 45:41 I gave my brother one, it wasn't like from a, a legal place. And he came to meet me one day and I gave him like... He's like, "Get me one." I'm like, "This one, dude." So the next day, the whole family's... Two different families are coming over for like Passover or something. And the next day, he's like, "Hey, did you take that gummy back?" And I'm like, "No." He goes, "Oh, shit, I can't find it." I'm like, "Dude, there's like eight seven-year-olds in this house."

Ari Shaffir 45:58 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 45:58 You have to find that gummy right now. It's really dangerous. (laughs) Holy shit.

Ari Shaffir 46:03 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 46:03 One of the kids had it and he was hiding it.

Ari Shaffir 46:05 Oh my God.

Speaker 46:06 Yeah. (laughs) It could've been fucking bad.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:07 He had it and he was hiding it. Imagine if you just ate it.

Speaker 46:08 Yeah. If he didn't wait till later.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:09 Thank God he was a little hoarder.

Speaker 46:10 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 46:11 (laughs)

Speaker 46:11 It's amazing what weed... That's a, that's a nice way of calling us Jews. (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 46:14 I've never gotten a kind of high from like edibles or weed though that's like-

Speaker 46:18 Edibles? You haven't?

Ari Shaffir 46:18 ... hallucinogenic almost. No, I mean, like do you remember when you gave Ralph, uh, Sutton, my co-host on SDR show? He's, he's Lewis' co-owner of Guest Digital. Uh, Ralph, he took-

Speaker 46:29 Okay, what?

Ari Shaffir 46:29 ... one of the Stars-

Speaker 46:31 Oh, yeah, Stars of Death.

Ari Shaffir 46:32 ... that you gave him and he-

Big Jay Oakerson 46:33 Same thing.

Speaker 46:33 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 46:33 And he went home and-

Big Jay Oakerson 46:34 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 46:35 ... was like... But the description of something where he was like, "I felt like I was on a reality show. I thought there were cameras watching me." And I'm like, "From fucking weed stuff?"

Big Jay Oakerson 46:42 Dude, you ever see the video when, uh, Joey Diaz doses Owen Benjamin on the show with it?

Ari Shaffir 46:47 (laughs) No.

Speaker 46:47 Owen loses it, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:49 Oh my God.

Ari Shaffir 46:51 Oh my God.

Speaker 46:51 It was epic. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:51 Yeah. Joe, Joey made a video like, "I cracked him." (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 46:55 Is that what... Send him into the woods? (laughs)

Speaker 46:57 Maybe.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:57 I don't know, man.

Speaker 46:58 Maybe. Those are strong doses.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:00 I don't know. Joey's... Look, there's a real thing with that. You know, Alex Berenson wrote a book called Tell Your Children.

Speaker 47:06 What?

Big Jay Oakerson 47:06 And it's all about instances of, uh, psychotic breaks and schizophrenic breaks from people that are heavy marijuana users. There's, there's like a something that happens to some people where maybe they have a tendency to schizophrenia or maybe a tendency...

Speaker 47:20 I think it's that, yeah, genetic predisposition or something.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:21 And then a high dose of weed just pushes them over the edge. And I've seen it happen. I know people that have lost their shit. They're not the same guy anymore.

Speaker 47:31 And they don't come back?

Ari Shaffir 47:32 They're not coming back?

Big Jay Oakerson 47:32 They're not coming back. They're not coming back. No, because most of them, they keep smoking it too. I know one guy who came back. One guy came back. One guy was like, "Hell, like I'm just watching me and the FBI is on me." I'm like, "Dude, you're a fucking middle act." Like, "What are you talking about?"

Ari Shaffir 47:44 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 47:44 But he came back. He came back. He just stopped smoking weed for a long time.

Ari Shaffir 47:49 And he was one day like, "Wow, that was pretty crazy shit."

Big Jay Oakerson 47:51 I can't, I can't give any more details.

Ari Shaffir 47:52 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:53 But it was, uh... He's all right. Um, but I know... Oh, and I know another guy who came back too.

Speaker 47:59 You ever talk to Shane Mauss about his like-

Ari Shaffir 48:00 That's what I was gonna... That's who I was, uh, thinking of.

Speaker 48:02 I think 30 days, he did what every day? Mushrooms?

Ari Shaffir 48:05 Mushrooms.

Speaker 48:05 Okay. And then he like covered himself with some mud that wouldn't let the mushrooms breathe out of him.

Ari Shaffir 48:11 Oh.

Speaker 48:11 And he went to another place.

Ari Shaffir 48:14 Yeah.

Speaker 48:15 I saw him way later and he was like, "Dude, I know this sounds crazy, but mathematicians are coming up to me telling me that I figured it out. I know, I... Realistically, I know, but, but I'm telling you, these mathematicians are telling me I have all the answers."

Big Jay Oakerson 48:27 Oh, boy.

Speaker 48:28 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 48:29 That's so wild.

Speaker 48:29 It was wild. He's back now but like... (exhales)

Ari Shaffir 48:31 Talking to somebody-

Speaker 48:32 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 48:32 ... who's disconnected is-

Big Jay Oakerson 48:34 Odd.

Ari Shaffir 48:34 ... it's also trying.

Speaker 48:36 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 48:36 Like it's very like, it's funny for a sec... Not funny, but it's almost like amusing for a second how like out of it they are and then it's t- terrifying that could happen to someone's brain.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:44 Didn't Huberman just post something? Someone told me that... Oh, Tulsi Gabbard told me this.

Speaker 48:50 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:50 Huberman just posted something about marijuana in, uh, high doses with, with kids is leading to, uh, an alarming number of like, uh, mental illness problems.

Speaker 49:02 Really? I can see that.

Ari Shaffir 49:03 They're not done developing?

Big Jay Oakerson 49:04 Yeah, I don't remember what he, what he wrote. I, I didn't read it. I was just... I had a couple of cocktails. I'm listening to a conversation, so.

Speaker 49:10 Oh, yeah. Did you guys smoke or, or do whatever when you were like still growing?

Big Jay Oakerson 49:15 No, I didn't.

Speaker 49:15 You didn't for sure, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 49:17 No. No.

Speaker 49:17 I did not.

Ari Shaffir 49:17 Have you seen-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:17 I mean, I did... I had a couple of... I, I... Like over the... From age, you know, from teenage years to 30 years old, I probably smoked pot five times.

Speaker 49:27 No, but I mean like 12 to 17.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:30 No.

Speaker 49:30 Nothing?

Ari Shaffir 49:31 Noth-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:31 No, I didn't do anything.

Speaker 49:32 Yeah, me neither.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:33 That, that was the years that I was, uh, martial arts. So s- I d- very rarely did anything. I mean, if I had a beer, I felt guilty.

Ari Shaffir 49:39 As my dad smoked pot-

Speaker 49:40 Mm-hmm.

Ari Shaffir 49:40 ... and I thought that's why he didn't show up a lot.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:43 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 49:43 (laughs) So. And so I didn't smoke pot till I was in my 20s.

Speaker 49:46 (clears throat)

Ari Shaffir 49:46 And then drinking, I just, uh, I had one of those like tried a sip young and thought-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:52 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 49:52 ... it was so gross that I was like, I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 49:55 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 49:55 And then also when you're young, you watch people get drunk and it's like that rookie drunk where I'm like, "I'd rather not be that guy at the party."

Big Jay Oakerson 50:01 Right, right.

Speaker 50:02 We gotta start teaching our kids how to drink right.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:04 Ugh.

Speaker 50:04 It's an embarrassment every time.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:06 Well, it's a, it's a thing you do when you make things prohibitive.

Ari Shaffir 50:09 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:10 You prohibit them. It's like Catholic schoolgirls. When we were kids-

Speaker 50:13 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:13 ... they were always the girls that like wanted to get with guys the quickest. They were just trapped in this world of all girls wearing skirts, no guys around them. And they got out of there, they're like maniacs.

Speaker 50:22 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:23 Like everybody knows, like that kind of suppression doesn't work on people. People don't like-

Speaker 50:26 They are the biggest sluts-

Big Jay Oakerson 50:27 ... being told what to do.

Ari Shaffir 50:28 (laughs)

Speaker 50:28 ... that come from that core group of people.

Ari Shaffir 50:30 I mean-

Big Jay Oakerson 50:30 Ahri, I wouldn't say it like that.

Ari Shaffir 50:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 50:31 I would say that those young ladies- I mean like- ... are hungry for the cock.

Speaker 50:35 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 50:35 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 50:35 (laughs)

Speaker 50:35 They're the... You notice that-

Ari Shaffir 50:36 The world gold stars are from that group now, yeah.

Speaker 50:38 Have you ever seen the drinking that the... I think the website's called, uh, Texas Street Fights?

Ari Shaffir 50:45 Oh, wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:46 No.

Speaker 50:46 And it's just essentially, uh, it's always on WorldStarHipHop too.

Ari Shaffir 50:50 (laughs)

Speaker 50:50 6th Street is just chalk full of gigantic women fighting until their fat-

Ari Shaffir 50:57 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 50:57 Oh my God.

Speaker 50:57 ... guns come out, it's so... (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 50:58 Oh my God.

Ari Shaffir 50:59 And it seems like all the cops do is go in and like from a distance, like pepper spray the group.

Speaker 51:06 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 51:06 So it's just these women fighting and ass cheeks out.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:08 Dude.

Ari Shaffir 51:08 And then, and then you see like this spray of like piss coming in.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:12 Oh my God.

Speaker 51:13 Girl fights.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:13 Girl fights are so ugly.

Speaker 51:14 Look at the rest of them just eating, just wanting to eat their... (laughs) Oh my God.

Ari Shaffir 51:17 Oh my God.

Speaker 51:18 Whoa.

Ari Shaffir 51:18 Oh Jesus Christ. I don't wanna watch this, man.

Speaker 51:20 It doesn't-

Ari Shaffir 51:20 These are really good cameras. You don't have... You should, you, you should walk outside once in a while. (laughs)

Speaker 51:24 What's happening?

Ari Shaffir 51:24 It's at 6th Street. It's wild.

Speaker 51:26 Yeah, right out the front.

Ari Shaffir 51:27 Over by the, um...

Big Jay Oakerson 51:28 I don't like street fights-

Ari Shaffir 51:29 By the highway.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:30 I don't. I should like street fights.

Joe Rogan 51:31 'Cause your head hits the pavement, it's not fair.

Ari Shaffir 51:33 I like the idea of them-

Big Jay Oakerson 51:35 It's very, very dangerous.

Ari Shaffir 51:35 ... and then it's very quickly, like, a reality check, where you're like, "Oh, someone could get fucked up."

Big Jay Oakerson 51:39 Yeah, really fucked up, man.

Joe Rogan 51:40 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:41 It's super dangerous. It's so dumb. Like-

Ari Shaffir 51:44 But entertaining.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:45 Street fights are so dumb.

Joe Rogan 51:45 It's just booze, it's always booze.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:47 It's definitely coke, too.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Yeah. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:48 Coke, coke starts that shit.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yep. Let's not discount coke.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:51 Yeah. It's just, fuck it's so dumb.

Ari Shaffir 51:53 But people just take it... When I was here, uh, it was Moon Tower last time, we were at that burger pla- P. Terry's.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:00 Mm-hmm.

Ari Shaffir 52:00 Waiting in line, and there were, like, pats particularly outside of that place. This is, like, a late night spot that it's just always drama going on. And there was, like, preppy white dudes in some kind of an argument with Latino girls.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:14 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 52:15 The girls' boyfriends were almost telling, like, the La- Hispanic guys were almost like, "Stop." Like s- like, "Leave it alone." Whatever the problem is-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:22 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 52:22 ... the dudes were kind of just over it, like, who cares? And the lady just kept cursing out this, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:28 Oh, no.

Ari Shaffir 52:28 ... tall, nerdy kid.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Oh, boy.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:29 Oh, no.

Ari Shaffir 52:30 And then, then she went over and he was just like, "All right," like beat, like, "Shut up," like, "Enough already." And she took her phone-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:36 (gasps) .

Ari Shaffir 52:37 ... and I mean hit him. I've never seen something like this happen before. It was, uh, it, she hit him right across the forehead. And he was kind of like, uh, it didn't seem like it hurt him that much at first. He was like, "Whoa," "Hey." And then you just saw the line-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:49 The blood?

Ari Shaffir 52:49 ... like form, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Wow.

Ari Shaffir 52:50 Start running down. You're like, "Yo, she split him-"

Joe Rogan 52:52 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:53 Oh.

Ari Shaffir 52:53 "... hard." And they drag... And then, but this is what's amazing. This is Texas, dude, which I love. While that's happening we're like, "Oh, shit," and like, "Number 68 with, uh, an Oreo milkshake."

Joe Rogan 53:06 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 53:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:06 Oreo shake.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:07 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 53:07 They see it every weekend.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:09 They do.

Ari Shaffir 53:10 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 53:10 Having a girl like that in your life can get you killed.

Joe Rogan 53:13 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 53:14 Oh, yeah.

Ari Shaffir 53:14 Dude, my ex-wife, one of our early dates-

Big Jay Oakerson 53:16 Or it could get you put in jail for killing somebody, like one of those guys.

Ari Shaffir 53:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:19 We went, we went outside, me and Lister and, and Cantor were out there, and we saw a guy, like, holding a purse and a girl trying to wrestle it from him.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:25 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 53:25 And then Cantor's like, "We gotta go out and say something." And so we went out there, we're like, "Ma'am are you all right?" She goes, "Mind your own fucking business." (laughs) And then, and then Cantor's like, "Dude, she's gonna get you killed." And then we just walked back in.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:34 Yeah, you never... Who, who said you should do that?

Joe Rogan 53:36 Uh, n- I stayed inside. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 53:38 Un- unless it gets violent-

Joe Rogan 53:39 Protective amendment.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:40 Unless it gets violent, I won't, I'm not doing shit.

Ari Shaffir 53:43 Oh, just the screaming and arguing because it's always-

Joe Rogan 53:45 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:45 You, 'cause they'll go after you. That's what cops always say.

Ari Shaffir 53:48 Almost 100% of the time.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Also the backstory.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:50 100% of the time. Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 53:51 Almost always, if a- any time you've... I've, yeah, to be that guy... I don't, I, I don't think I've done it but I've definitely watched it, like, backfire quick.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:58 It's fucking dangerous.

Ari Shaffir 53:58 I mean, where it's like, you know, it's like, "Hey, dude, I think the lady wants to be left alone."

Joe Rogan 54:02 Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 54:02 And then she's like, "Fuck off."

Big Jay Oakerson 54:03 But that's what cops say.

Ari Shaffir 54:04 And you're like, "Oh."

Big Jay Oakerson 54:05 Cops say when they show up, sometimes the women will attack them.

Joe Rogan 54:07 "We're fighting, get out of here."

Big Jay Oakerson 54:09 Yeah. It's fucking scary.

Joe Rogan 54:11 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 54:11 (coughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 54:11 People lose their minds.

Joe Rogan 54:11 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 54:11 I was just, I was just wearing them out. I was getting ready to take the late rounds. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:15 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 54:15 People lose their fucking minds...

Joe Rogan 54:18 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:18 ... when they fight with each other. Like, 'cause the cops always say that the scariest thing is going to a domestic case.

Ari Shaffir 54:24 Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:26 But, uh, who knows?

Ari Shaffir 54:26 It's the most, it's the most emotion, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:28 Both of them are fucking drunk, someone's got a gun, the guy runs into-

Joe Rogan 54:31 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:31 ... the room, you don't know what the fuck to do. You're a cop, you're standing there. The guy comes out with the gun, "Oh, Jesus fucking Christ." Do you shoot him? Like, what are you doing here?

Ari Shaffir 54:40 See, I think the fear of that situation though-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:42 How scared was that?

Joe Rogan 54:42 'Cause he's so enraged 'cause of his fucking wife.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:44 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 54:45 He didn't have to-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:45 And you're a cop, you gotta fucking assess this, like, instantaneously. What the fuck, you don't... You get some information from the phone-

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:52 ... right? On the way in, the, the, the-

Ari Shaffir 54:55 (coughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 54:55 ... office tells you.

Joe Rogan 54:56 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:56 But once you get there, like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 54:58 I'd lay everybody on the floor instantly every time, no matter what.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:01 Which-

Joe Rogan 55:01 "Get on your fucking face. Get on your fucking face right now."

Big Jay Oakerson 55:03 Israeli in him. That's the Israeli in him. (coughs)

Joe Rogan 55:04 Yeah. Clear every room and then be like, "All right, now let's talk."

Big Jay Oakerson 55:07 Navy SEAL style.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Yep, exactly. Take no chances.

Ari Shaffir 55:10 Uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 55:10 Well, but you'd kill a lot more people that way.

Ari Shaffir 55:12 By doing that?

Big Jay Oakerson 55:13 Yeah, for sure because people would definitely, like-

Ari Shaffir 55:15 Fight back on the back.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:15 ... some people can calm people down. Some people can calm people down.

Joe Rogan 55:19 I'm not that guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:20 But s- but some people you can't calm down. Right, some people, like, you can get into some guys on PCP in a fucking full rage-

Ari Shaffir 55:26 Oh, you're holding a gun on them, they don't give a shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:27 And-

Joe Rogan 55:28 Yeah, wow. You imagine that?

Big Jay Oakerson 55:28 ... you're not gonna be able to calm them down. Well, some people also wanna die.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Oof.

Ari Shaffir 55:32 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:32 There's that. And like, they wanna die by cop. That's a real thing too.

Ari Shaffir 55:36 Suicide by cop?

Big Jay Oakerson 55:37 Yeah, it's a real thing.

Joe Rogan 55:38 It's grand.

Ari Shaffir 55:39 Yeah, they give it to them too.

Joe Rogan 55:40 (whoosh sound) Yeah. (laughs) They're like, "Okay."

Big Jay Oakerson 55:42 They give it to them. I mean, and for the cop, the cop's gotta deal with that.

Joe Rogan 55:45 (exhales audibly) Fuck.

Ari Shaffir 55:46 I know, it's funny when, uh... Man, I forget what it was I was watching years ago. It was a guy that was trying to do that.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:51 Ugh.

Ari Shaffir 55:52 Suicide by cop. And they had, uh, it wasn't even, they were like, oh, it was, in America, they had a sniper guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:00 Jesus Christ.

Ari Shaffir 56:01 Like, uh, a roof, like a, like a rooftop away across the street or something. And he was describing, like, when the guy was holding the gun, and he kept, like, he just, noticed that he mimicked the motion more than once, like, kinda naturally he kept doing the same thing with the gun.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:15 Mm-hmm.

Ari Shaffir 56:15 And like the fourth time he raised the gun up, it f- it, uh, he shoots the gun out of his hand.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:20 No. Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 56:20 Oh, my god.

Ari Shaffir 56:20 And then the guy just goes and, like, lays down on the ground. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 56:22 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 56:22 It's pretty wild.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:23 Oh, I saw that. I remember that now.

Ari Shaffir 56:24 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Damn.

Ari Shaffir 56:26 But his, 'cause his fa- he wanted to die, and his... But when that got shot out of his hands, he just realized, hell, he's like, "Holy shit." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Ari Shaffir 56:32 "What the fuck just happened?" (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 56:33 Yeah. You don't even know what you're asking for.

Ari Shaffir 56:36 That kind of skill is-

Joe Rogan 56:37 Damn. What a shot.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:39 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 56:40 He's like, "I might as well just try it."

Big Jay Oakerson 56:42 There he is.

Ari Shaffir 56:42 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there it is.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:44 Oh, that guy's prone too, nice. Oh, Jesus, shot it right out of his fucking hand.

Ari Shaffir 56:48 What the f- Mikey McKiernan? He looks like-

Big Jay Oakerson 56:50 Shot it right out of his hand. That is-

Ari Shaffir 56:52 He looks like Mickey from The SpongeBob Squarepants.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:52 ... that guy's so lucky he has fingers.

Ari Shaffir 56:55 Uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 56:55 He's lucky in every way, shape, and... That guy should play the lottery right after that.

Joe Rogan 56:58 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 56:59 Right? "You're a lucky bitch."

Ari Shaffir 57:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:01 If it was Dog the Bounty-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:01 You should, you should be dead-

Ari Shaffir 57:02 If it was-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:02 ... you should, shouldn't have any fingers.

Ari Shaffir 57:04 If it was Dog the Bounty Hunter arresting him, he would've let him get some lottery tickets or something. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 57:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:08 (laughs)

Ari Shaffir 57:08 He just let him do everything.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:09 Stop on the way home. Is that what he does with people?

Ari Shaffir 57:11 He would, he would hold, he would hold their cigarette for them while they smoke, like, handcuffed.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:14 Oh, would he really?

Ari Shaffir 57:15 Talk to them about God.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:16 Oh, wow.

Ari Shaffir 57:16 He'd let him look at his wife's big fat titties.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:19 Big fat ones. She's a dog too, right?

Ari Shaffir 57:20 Rest in peace, rest in peace to those big fat titties.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:22 Oh, she's dead?

Joe Rogan 57:22 She's gone?

Ari Shaffir 57:23 Yeah, I think he's already moved on to another chick.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:25 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:25 What did he wanna do, wait?

Ari Shaffir 57:26 No.

Joe Rogan 57:26 'Cause Dog the Bounty Hunter told us he was waiting. She was awesome though.

Ari Shaffir 57:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:28 F- first of all, he's, she was awesome.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:30 How old is that guy?

Joe Rogan 57:31 How old is Dog?

Speaker 57:32 ... six, probably close to 70.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:34 Yeah, I mean-

Speaker 57:34 If I had to guess.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:35 ... i- i- it's a hard life. You're fucking banging on doors-

Speaker 57:38 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:38 ... getting fugitives.

Speaker 57:39 Can't believe-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:39 Every day is a risk.

Speaker 57:41 I can't believe for the, let's say, class of people they were, that there's not a p-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:46 (laughs)

Speaker 57:46 ... not a, there's not a loose picture of Beth Chapman's titties in the world at all.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:51 (laughs)

Speaker 57:51 I can't believe it.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:52 70, the dude's 70. Look at his- When is that documentary on him coming out? Look at him with his hair, with the sunglasses.

Speaker 57:56 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:56 What an amazing picture. He never lost that fucking hair. I mean, that is such an American person.

Speaker 58:01 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 58:02 Yeah. Oh my Lord.

Speaker 58:03 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 58:03 I mean, Dog the Bounty Hunter might be the most American guy that's ever lived. Look at the gold chain hanging from his neck. The Oakleys? The Oakleys. (laughs)

Speaker 58:10 He's got the clear chest.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:11 The bleach blonde, long ass, beautiful hair for an old dude. Beautiful hair. For an old dude, I mean, he's got some-

Speaker 58:17 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:17 ... rocker hair from the '80s. Red skin. He's got some poison hair. Look at his skin. Yep. Leather. Leathery. Fuck your sunscreen.

Speaker 58:25 Wait, wha- (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 58:25 Dog the Bounty Hunter has never even- Dog don't touch no sunscreen. ... touched sunscreen. It's got chemicals in it. That dude is just taking sun in the mug.

Speaker 58:32 Yep. What was the recent crime that he jumped in on, put his name out there? Was it the-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:36 Yeah, he, yeah. What happened?

Speaker 58:38 Was it the g- Petito?

Narrator 58:39 He's looking for the kid in, uh... Who killed... Uh, missing in Florida with the girlfriend.

Speaker 58:45 Oh, yeah, yeah, the guy they-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:46 Oh, the one that died, right?

Speaker 58:47 The Van Life, the Van Life couple?

Big Jay Oakerson 58:48 They wanna-

Speaker 58:49 Yeah. By like-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:50 He killed her and killed himself?

Narrator 58:51 No.

Speaker 58:51 But they just, they just show news and it's just Dog the Bounty Hunter knocking on doors with a piece of paper like, "Have you seen these?"

Big Jay Oakerson 58:57 (laughs)

Speaker 58:57 He just went solo boots to the ground-

Big Jay Oakerson 59:00 I'm gonna find out.

Speaker 59:00 ... in America somewhere. Like where they-

Big Jay Oakerson 59:02 With the cameras conveniently knowing where he was. (laughs) We'll find him. We'll start in- What are the odds that they know where he is? ... Missouri. Just exactly in the middle of a city. (coughs)

Speaker 59:10 What if they say he's knocking on doors? He goes, "Do you know this guy?" He goes, "Yeah, everyone does. He's on the news."

Big Jay Oakerson 59:14 (laughs)

Speaker 59:15 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 59:15 Ugh. Yeah. That, that was a scary case. They, they- Which one was that? They got pulled over by the cops. Yeah. And they, they had been in some sort of a domestic squabble. Again, domestic fights, right? Squabbles are great word. And, uh, something... I don't know what the, the details were of it, but the cops let them go.

Speaker 59:35 Well, in the rarest of situations-

Big Jay Oakerson 59:36 And then they did what?

Speaker 59:37 And I'm saying, but in the rarest of situations, they... I don't th- uh, I, I don't think this happens a lot, but the girl was crying and telling her story and then the guy was telling his side of the story, like, behind, I think, the cops. And the cops were definitely, like, more on his world of, like, chicks, right? I mean, we're in small spaces. You know how they act.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:55 (laughs)

Speaker 59:55 And he's like, "Yeah, sure." Like, I mean, they're not...

Big Jay Oakerson 59:57 (laughs)

Speaker 59:58 I don't wanna sandbag the cops and say, but it is like, for whatever's going on, she was hyper emotional and screaming and crying and he was, like, kinda like, "Eh," just bickering about whatever, you know?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:08 Dude, he, he-

Speaker 1:00:08 This, this, this, and then they just, they let him go.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:11 And then what did they do? Probably a sociopath, right?

Speaker 1:00:13 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:14 He probably figured out how to con the cops and-

Speaker 1:00:17 To be that cop?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:18 ... he killed her. He killed her right afterwards. Yeah, he killed her and then- Oh, fuck. ... either he killed himself. It's, it's, it's hard to-

Speaker 1:00:22 In the woods?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:23 No, because I think, like, the alligators got to him. Oh, shit. I think-

Speaker 1:00:26 What?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:26 ... I think when they found his body, he had been consumed.

Speaker 1:00:30 Oh, yeah. He was all, he was-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:31 Yeah.

Speaker 1:00:32 ... pieces all over the place.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:32 I think some things had consumed him. It might be pigs, too. There's a lot of wild pigs out there. But the pigs will eat everything.

Speaker 1:00:38 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:38 They'll eat, they'll eat your bones, man. They'll eat everything. If you leave a body-

Speaker 1:00:42 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:42 ... where pigs are, that's the thing about Snatch. We had a forensic psychologist on, on Tony, Kill Tony yesterday. We asked him if that was a good way to kill, uh, people. He said, "Yeah." The remains were described as skeletal, were confirmed using dental records. Oh, Brian Laundrie. Holy shit, that's a different one. No, that's the guy.

Speaker 1:00:57 That's the guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:00 Oh, that's the guy. Look at him with his hair, with the sunglasses. Oh, yeah. What an amazing picture. He never lost that fucking hair. I mean, that is such an American person.

Speaker 1:01:11 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:11 Yeah. Oh my Lord. I mean, Dog the Bounty Hunter might be the most American guy that's ever lived. Look at the gold chain hanging from his neck.

Speaker 1:01:11 The Oakleys.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:11 The Oakleys. (laughs)

Speaker 1:01:11 He's got the clear chest.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:11 The bleach blonde, long ass, beautiful hair for an old dude. Beautiful hair. For an old dude, I mean, he's got some-

Speaker 1:01:11 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:11 ... rocker hair from the '80s. Red skin. He's got some poison hair. Look at his skin.

Speaker 1:01:11 Yep.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:12 Leather. Leathery. Fuck your sunscreen.

Speaker 1:01:12 Wait, wh-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:12 Dog the Bounty Hunter has never even- Dog don't touch no sunscreen? ... touched sunscreen. It's got chemicals in it. That dude is just taking sun in the mug.

Speaker 1:01:31 What was the, what was the recent crime that he jumped in on, put his name out there? Was it the-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:35 Yeah, he, yeah. What happened?

Speaker 1:01:35 Was it the Petito?

Narrator 1:01:35 He's looking