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Joe Rogan Experience #1966 - Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir

Big Jay Oakerson is a stand-up comic, on-air personality, and podcaster. He's a host of "The Legion of Skanks", "SDR Show", and "The Bonfire" podcasts, and has a new comedy special, "Dog Belly", premiering April 5 on YouTube. www.bigjaycomedy.com Ari Shaffir is a stand-up comic and the host of "The Skeptic Tank" and "You Be Trippin'" podcasts. His latest special, "Ari Shaffir: Jew," is available now via YouTube.www.arishaffir.com

Joe RoganhostBig Jay OakersonguestAri ShaffirguestJamie Vernonguest
Jun 27, 20243h 22mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 0:12

    Intro

    1. JR

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (energetic music plays)

    3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

  2. 0:12 – 2:16

    Holy Hell cult: a Speedo-wearing hypnotist, porn footage, and guru theatrics

    1. JR

      And we're up.

    2. BO

      Yeah, the NXIVM cult is the one that I still haven't watched that documentary.

    3. AS

      Wow.

    4. BO

      I've been watching this doc-... I, I've got a bit about the place that I used... that I bought before I bought the mothership.

    5. AS

      Yeah.

    6. BO

      'Cause it's about a place that was owned by a cult, so I've been watching the documentary on the cult. It's called Holy Hell. It's so fucking crazy. I've been watching it... I've watched it three or four times to try to, like, find the angles for the bit.

    7. AS

      Yeah.

    8. BO

      Because the guy who ran it was a gay porn star who was also a hypnotist.

    9. JR

      (laughs) That's right. It's, it's such a powerful combination.

    10. BO

      And he, all he wore was Speedos-

    11. AS

      I mean... (laughs)

    12. BO

      ... and eyeliner. And this, this dude ran this cult for 20 fucking years, and they kicked him out and sent him to Hawaii.

    13. AS

      (laughs)

    14. BO

      And now he's, he's running in Hawaii. At the end of the documentary, the guy goes to visit the guy in Hawaii. Now he's old and fucked-up looking, he's had a bunch of plastic surgery, like fake cheeks and his lips are done and everything like... He looks like a monster. And he's still got these pe- people following around, and opening the doors for him, and he sits down and he talks like a guru.

    15. AS

      (laughs)

    16. BO

      Complete con artist.

    17. AS

      Did they show his porns?

    18. BO

      Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

    19. AS

      How, how was it?

    20. BO

      Oh, yeah. They just block out where the dick is going in the ass.

    21. AS

      Yeah.

    22. BO

      He's pounding this guy from behind-

    23. AS

      (laughs) Okay.

    24. BO

      ... and then he's doing, uh, like a push-up. He's doing, like, a plank, and this guy is underneath him and he's holding onto the guy's... the guy's holding onto his hips, and he's just mouth-fucking this guy.

    25. AS

      Nice. Okay. (laughs)

    26. BO

      While, while his, while his legs are completely suspended in the air.

    27. AS

      Oh, he's just... Okay, doing workouts.

    28. BO

      Yeah, so-

    29. AS

      Military.

    30. BO

      Yeah. He's, he's basically doing a workout. So he's got like... in a push-up position like this.

  3. 2:16 – 15:18

    NXIVM and why cults escalate: money schemes, branding, and power addiction

    1. AS

      The move with the NXIVM guy did... 'Cause it's... You can get a really good cult going, but you're... everyone's not gonna get the... Well, even Charles Manson, they always made it out to these, these young pretty hippie girls. When you see the pictures, they're all pretty rough. (laughs)

    2. BO

      (laughs)

    3. AS

      (laughs)

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. BO

      The Manson ones?

    6. AS

      Yeah. And then the, the NXIVM cult, it's the same thing. It's like they tell you all the people that were involved and, like, except for, like, one girl, like, most of them were pretty, like, homely. So you're like, yeah, I guess if you're...

    7. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    8. BO

      It's the same-

    9. AS

      If your game... If your cult leader status is to bang a bunch of, like... They're okay.

    10. BO

      Well, this is, like, headshots after they've left the cult and realized it was over.

    11. AS

      That girl's the actress.

    12. BO

      What about while they're-

    13. AS

      She's the one.

    14. JR

      She's the actress? The bottom left one?

    15. AS

      Yeah. She's the prettiest.

    16. JR

      I recognize her. But she's, like, secretary.

    17. AS

      Yes. She was a... Yes, exactly. She... I think she got out of fucking him-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. AS

      ... because she would recruit the girls and brand them and stuff.

    20. BO

      That girl's pretty. That girl's pretty.

    21. AS

      That's, uh, whatchamacallit's daughter.

    22. BO

      Who?

    23. AS

      She got involved too. Uh...

    24. JR

      She's not the Keith Raniere?

    25. AS

      Oh, she's an actress. She was an actress in, like, those old, like, Falcon Crest type shows.

    26. BO

      (laughs) Falcon Crest.

    27. AS

      (laughs)

    28. BO

      Oh, my God.

    29. AS

      Yeah, like those, like-

    30. BO

      Could you imagine being trapped on one of those shows, where you gotta get a paycheck every week and the paycheck is f- wonderful?

  4. 15:18 – 17:49

    Hypnosis as a real altered state—and how ‘autopilot’ driving fits in

    1. JR

      Right. Remember in Bo- remember in Boston that hypno-

    2. BO

      He's putting them in states.

    3. JR

      Remember in Boston that hypnotist?

    4. BO

      Frank Santos.

    5. JR

      Yeah. And we saw a g- a door guy pass out.

    6. BO

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      He tried to do the whole room and a door guy off to the left was just gone and somebody pointed it out to him.

    8. BO

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      That guy would be, would be... That door guy would be, like, a candidate.

    10. BO

      Yes. Yeah. Well, when we used to do stitches when, uh, Greg Simmons and I were coming up in Boston, Frank Santos was the fucking man. And we would all go watch because it was a comedy hypnotism show.

    11. JR

      It was fun.

    12. BO

      And he would put people under. And some people he couldn't put under. Some people he would just in fr... 'Cause you're doing it. It's not like... You could get hypnotized if you wanted to in a relaxed setting. I had it done once. It's very interesting.

    13. JR

      And you... Yeah.

    14. BO

      My friend Vinnie Shorman, he hypnotizes fighters. And he, he gets to, like, get to the root of, like, whatever their conflict in their mind is-

    15. JR

      Oh.

    16. BO

      ... and try to sort things out, make 'em perform better.

    17. AS

      It's not what you're thinking. That's, that's why I always don't believe in it, is 'cause it's not what I'm... They're not, like, you know, when your eyes are open, like, "Walk that way."

    18. BO

      Maybe not you.

    19. AS

      Yeah. But some pe-

    20. BO

      Here's my concern. Maybe some people, you can do that to.

    21. AS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. BO

      This is what I think. I think what, what I experienced was, like, a different state of mind.

    24. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    25. BO

      It seemed like... I'm like, "Wow, this is like a drug. Like, I'm on a drug." I mean, this is very strange. But it was very pleasant and it was very, uh-

    26. AS

      Yeah.

    27. BO

      ... it was very pr-... I was present and pleasant. It was like I was right there and I was, like, looking at things from a different angle. It's almost like I had removed some layers of, uh, clothing that was, like, my conditioning in life. I got to look at things. I'm like, "This is very much like a psychedelic drug."

    28. AS

      Someone described to me once, or I heard... Uh, actually, I think it was on Howard Stern also, a hypnotist that came on that does their thing, ca- said this is essentially i- in a level of hypnotizing. But if they're listening to this while driving in a car-

    29. JR

      It lulls you?

    30. AS

      ... and they're just, like, not even thinking-

  5. 17:49 – 21:42

    Siri mishaps, cooked AirPods, and the leap to AI voice fakery

    1. BO

      Well, you don't have to do that now with CarPlay. CarPlay is the shit.

    2. AS

      You just speak your text?

    3. BO

      I don't know if you do it... Yeah, man.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. BO

      I do it all the time. I take care of so much shit when I'm on my way to work.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. BO

      Like, I say, "Text big J, go fuck yourself." Bam. And it says, "Go fuck yourself. Send it?" And I go, "Yes, send it."

    8. JR

      Send. (laughs)

    9. AS

      Dude, I don't know what this... The qua-... In my car one time, me and Dan Soder were driving somewhere and we... I was like, uh, you know, "Hey, Siri," whatever you gotta say.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. AS

      And I was like, uh, I was like, "Hey, Siri." And, uh, it was like, "What could I... What would you like me to do?" And Soder just goes, "Suck my dick," Ju- and then the car goes, "Okay." I have no idea why. It went, "Okay, texting suck my dick to Anthony Cumia." And I was like, "No, no, no, no, no."

    12. BO

      Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. (laughs)

    13. AS

      I was just like... (laughs) Like, I've never texted Anthony Cumia ever and all of a sudden it's like, "Hey, suck my dick, by the way."

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. BO

      If you have, um, uh, like a shitty microphone-

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. BO

      ... in your car, it'll, it'll fuck up.

    18. JR

      Mine does that when it's like, "Call so-and-so." Then like, calling this other person. You're like, "No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop."

    19. BO

      Yeah. Mine, um, you know how I wear those little AirPods?

    20. AS

      Yeah.

    21. BO

      And, uh, sometimes I pick up the wrong ones. I have ones that I have for the sauna and then ones for real world.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. BO

      And the ones for the sauna, they get cooked. They go bad.

    24. JR

      Oh, yeah?

    25. BO

      Yeah, they go bad. So, like, the microphone's bad. I'm talking to people, they're like, "Where the fuck are you?"

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. BO

      I'm like, "All right, this mic's bad. It's cooked."

    28. JR

      It's over.

    29. BO

      So it gets sweat in it and shit, and it gets fucked up. But they still play music. Like, you can still listen to audiobooks on them. They nev-... That never dies. But the microphone does.

    30. JR

      The microphone's gone, yeah.

  6. 21:42 – 33:56

    TikTok panic and the RESTRICT Act: surveillance, vagueness, and VPN criminalization fears

    1. BO

      Oh, no, this is what it was. That fucking TikTok ban. Like, what is this actual law?

    2. JV

      Oh, that bill has nothing to do with TikTok, yeah.

    3. BO

      It has nothing to do with TikTok.

    4. AS

      What is it?

    5. BO

      It's, it's all about-

    6. JV

      Respect Act.

    7. BO

      ... having power to restrict access to... Like-

    8. AS

      What's the deal with TikTok?

    9. BO

      Let's, let's pull it up. Let's figure out what it is.

    10. AS

      When did TikTok become, like, a fucking evil...

    11. BO

      Well, first of all, they nailed it. Adam Curry doesn't think they are. Adam Curry's perspective when I talked to him, and Adam Curry's brilliant.

    12. AS

      Yeah.

    13. BO

      He said he thinks that they're eating tech in America's lunch, and they're trying to block, block them out because it's a Chinese-owned company. And because they're saying that China's scooping up all the data, guess what? He goes, he goes, "That's exactly what these other companies are doing too."

    14. AS

      Yeah.

    15. BO

      They're all scooping up your data.

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. BO

      The idea that your data's going to China is a problem-

    18. AS

      But what does that mean it goes to China? Like, who-

    19. BO

      It's because China is, represents competition, and they developed an app that's the most addictive app ever.

    20. AS

      Sure, yeah.

    21. BO

      That's just, that's just Adam Curry speaking.

    22. JV

      But also selling the information.

    23. AS

      Is Adam Curry MTV original VJ?

    24. BO

      Yeah, that guy's the shit.

    25. AS

      Yeah, he's, like, a huge tech guy, yeah, yeah.

    26. JV

      Wow.

    27. BO

      Do you know he's the fucking original podcaster?

    28. AS

      Really?

    29. BO

      He's the pod father. He's number one.

    30. AS

      It's wi-... Yeah, he was, a couple things he was, like, ground level on.

  7. 33:56 – 37:46

    Edited clips, ‘is anything real,’ and the politics of age: voting limits and dementia

    1. SP

      At a fair. (laughs)

    2. BO

      ... conversation that Biden had with Don Lemon.

    3. SP

      Yeah.

    4. BO

      Have you seen it?

    5. SP

      No.

    6. BO

      There's this recent conversation where he's like... He asks him if he's been vaccinated. It's ve- it's very strange.

    7. SP

      He asked Biden if he was vaccinated?

    8. BO

      He asked Biden if he was vaccinated. Um, now, I don't kn- again, I don't know if this is real. Here's the problem, I didn't watch it when it came out. And with AI now, you-

    9. SP

      You don't know if it's real anymore.

    10. BO

      You don't, you don't know what the fuck is real.

    11. SP

      I love it. I love the idea that we're not gonna believe anything in pictures.

    12. BO

      Because-

    13. SP

      It's only gonna be real life. That's all we can accept.

    14. BO

      But this is, like, a video of Biden, like, stammering, like, we can't find what he's talking about. And he's kinda drifting and talking about different things, and none of it makes any sense to anybody.

    15. SP

      How long ago was it from?

    16. AS

      You see-

    17. NA

      No, it worked.

    18. AS

      Or-

    19. SP

      Yeah, that's it.

    20. NA

      Y- y- you got the vaccination? Are y- are y- are you okay? I mean, you seem... No, it works. Or, y- you know, or, or, or the mom and dad, or, or, or the neighbor, or when you go to church, or when you're... No, n- I- I- I really mean it, there are... Trust in an democratus. Think of the people... If, if your kid wanted to find out whether or not there were... There's a man on the moon or whatever, you know, something-

    21. SP

      (laughs)

    22. NA

      Or, you know, whether those aliens are real or not.

    23. SP

      (laughs)

    24. NA

      Who are the people they talk to be on the kids who love talking about it?

    25. SP

      I do feel sympathy.

    26. BO

      How do you... How does that make sense?

    27. SP

      It feels like when I smoke too much pot before a show- ... and then I go on a tangent in the middle of a joke and don't know where I'm going. (laughs)

    28. AS

      Oh, yeah. Those are fun.

    29. BO

      That's how he sounds.

    30. SP

      Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

  8. 37:46 – 50:38

    Mushrooms, neuroplasticity, and the stoned-ape theory (plus edible horror stories)

    1. BO

      I would try mushrooms.

    2. SP

      Yeah.

    3. BO

      Because, you know, the neurodegenerative r- m- pr- uh, process of, like, any kind of a disease like that-

    4. SP

      Yeah.

    5. BO

      ... I would imagine, when you talk about... What is the... There's a, a thing that mushrooms can do. So it's like-

    6. SP

      Change your neural pathway?

    7. BO

      Lion's mane, and, um-

    8. SP

      Golden teachers?

    9. BO

      ... and, um, and psilocybin. They apparently can help to grow neurons.

    10. SP

      Oh.

    11. BO

      Which is, which is very, very unusual. There's something about it. Psychedelic drugs actually help neurons in the brain sprout new dendrites, which, (coughs) which look like branches on a tree, to increase communication between cells. These drugs can increase neural outgrowth. They can increase the branching of neurons. They can increase your synapses. So, I would imagine, if it can do that, that there's probably some benefit if someone's got something wrong with their mind.

    12. SP

      Yeah.

    13. BO

      And it seems like it's feeding the mind.

    14. SP

      Maybe.

    15. AS

      That's worth a try.

    16. SP

      Yeah, it's worth a try. May as well.

    17. BO

      Dude, that's the b- the greatest theory of all time, is Terence McKenna's stoned ape theory.

    18. SP

      That just evolved them?

    19. BO

      I think that's, that's how people game- became people, that we were primates and we stumbled upon mushrooms, we started eating them, and then we became-

    20. SP

      And the brains grew.

    21. BO

      ... better hunters, we got smarter. If it does that, doesn't that make sense? If you just... If you're a mush-

    22. SP

      Yeah.

    23. BO

      If you're a monkey and you're eating mushrooms all the time, you'd probably, like, figure out things. You know, be like-

    24. SP

      I like to imagine it happen instantly, where the mushrooms, the monkeys eating it, you know, just like, "Oh." And then just suddenly like, "What?"Whoa. (laughs)

    25. BO

      There's a video on that.

    26. SP

      And then someone's like, "You just got back?" Like, yeah, what the fuck?

    27. BO

      There's a video. There's this dude-

    28. SP

      Although no one I know who takes-

    29. BO

      ... Bob Cesca he made a video on that.

    30. SP

      ... knows.

  9. 50:38 – 1:04:49

    Street fights, domestic chaos, and the danger of intervening (plus ‘suicide by cop’)

    1. SP

      Have you ever seen the drinking that the... I think the website's called, uh, Texas Street Fights?

    2. AS

      Oh, wow.

    3. BO

      No.

    4. SP

      And it's just essentially, uh, it's always on WorldStarHipHop too.

    5. AS

      (laughs)

    6. SP

      6th Street is just chalk full of gigantic women fighting until their fat-

    7. AS

      (laughs)

    8. BO

      Oh my God.

    9. SP

      ... guns come out, it's so... (laughs)

    10. BO

      Oh my God.

    11. AS

      And it seems like all the cops do is go in and like from a distance, like pepper spray the group.

    12. SP

      (laughs)

    13. AS

      So it's just these women fighting and ass cheeks out.

    14. BO

      Dude.

    15. AS

      And then, and then you see like this spray of like piss coming in.

    16. BO

      Oh my God.

    17. SP

      Girl fights.

    18. BO

      Girl fights are so ugly.

    19. SP

      Look at the rest of them just eating, just wanting to eat their... (laughs) Oh my God.

    20. AS

      Oh my God.

    21. SP

      Whoa.

    22. AS

      Oh Jesus Christ. I don't wanna watch this, man.

    23. SP

      It doesn't-

    24. AS

      These are really good cameras. You don't have... You should, you, you should walk outside once in a while. (laughs)

    25. SP

      What's happening?

    26. AS

      It's at 6th Street. It's wild.

    27. SP

      Yeah, right out the front.

    28. AS

      Over by the, um...

    29. BO

      I don't like street fights-

    30. AS

      By the highway.

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