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Joe Rogan Experience #1969 - Sam Tallent

Sam Tallent is a stand-up comic, writer, and actor. He is one of the hosts of the "Chubby Behemoth" podcast, and author of the novel "Running the Light." www.samtallent.com

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Jun 27, 20242h 59mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:002:19

    Comics vs. self-critique: why watching your own set hurts

    1. NA

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Oh, wow. You have been running some talent. Get them headphones and join the fucking party. Get the microphone up about, like, a fist from your face. Yeah.

    3. ST

      Jamie, how's this? Do I sound powerful and elegant?

    4. NA

      You are.

    5. ST

      Thank you.

    6. JR

      Bro, you are powerful and elegant.

    7. ST

      Thanks, man.

    8. JR

      You are enough.

    9. ST

      (laughs) I appreciate that.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. ST

      I'm good enough.

    12. JR

      I had a friend of mine, and, uh, she was asking me something just about comedy. And I go, "I just... I... You know, no one li-... I don't like my stuff. Like, no one likes their stuff."

    13. ST

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      "Like, you see it too much, it just, like, it gets in your head." And you're like, "Ugh." You're like, you gotta... I look at it like a hater, and she goes, "I just want you to know, no matter what, that you are enough." I go, "What?"

    15. ST

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      I go, "No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying." I'm not saying, like, like, I don't like my stuff, like I have a problem-

    17. ST

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... like I'm a crazy per-... No, I'm just, like, that's just the process.

    19. ST

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, I feel good.

    21. ST

      Right.

    22. JR

      Like, if... But that thing that people say to people, "You are enough. I just want you to know that you are enough."

    23. ST

      Look, I don't need validation from you, lady. (laughs)

    24. JR

      (laughs) She's a nice lady.

    25. ST

      I'm sure she's a nice lady.

    26. JR

      She's a very nice lady. She's not-

    27. ST

      But I don't think you're going to her to be like, "Can you hold my hand through this difficult period?"

    28. JR

      I think some people do do that to people, and they go fishing for that kind of response.

    29. ST

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      That, "You are enough." I'm like, "No, no, I'm, I'm okay."

  2. 2:195:12

    Baldness, beards, and the Amish grooming rulebook

    1. ST

      Have you always... How long have you been shaving your head?

    2. JR

      Um, (inhales deeply) 12 years?

    3. ST

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Something like that.

    5. ST

      I'm going there, man.

    6. JR

      Yeah, it's way better.

    7. ST

      Yeah?

    8. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't think about it anymore. It's like, oh, it's like one less thing to think about, if you have a good-shaped head.

    9. ST

      I don't.

    10. JR

      Like, peo-... Some people have flat heads.

    11. ST

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Like, their head's flat, but now you got a new joke about having a flat head.

    13. ST

      Yeah, then I have to turn around or have a mirror behind me.

    14. JR

      That's fine.

    15. ST

      (laughs) Yeah, it's all right.

    16. JR

      Give 'em a little fucking-

    17. ST

      I'm gonna get into props.

    18. JR

      Just give 'em a little look of the flat.

    19. ST

      (laughs) Yeah. No, I don't have a good head. It's bumpy. I think if I shaved my head, I would go muttonchops.

    20. JR

      Mm.

    21. ST

      I would leave the chops.

    22. JR

      Why don't you go fucking full Sufi beard?

    23. ST

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      Yeah, just lower, just a lower beard, like, from Dagestan.

    25. ST

      Just, just Amish- (laughs)

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. ST

      Yeah, right here?

    28. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, Amish.

    29. ST

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Go underneath the chin.

  3. 5:126:45

    Cult vs. religion—and why people need a belief package

    1. JR

      It is fucking weird though, man. That it's- it's... You know what's weird, is that when people do a really shitty job, it's a cult. When they do a really good job, it's a religion. But it's basically the same system that it works on in the human brain.

    2. ST

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      It works on the same mechanisms. Like, someone has all the answers, and they have a connection to a higher power.

    4. ST

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      That's why... You know, one of the things that creeps me out about, um, uh, atheism, it's not atheism itself. It's that, I think, that tendency to just find a group of ideas that you will wholesale subscribe to is, like, built into us. I think it's a cultural thing, like war. And I think when people don't have that-... if, if it's not, like if they don't have Christianity or Islam or Buddhism or Judaism, whatever they don't have, they'll put it into something else. I think that, I think it's a normal part of being a person for some strange reason.

    6. ST

      Well, yeah, it's, we were trying to find community all the time, right?

    7. JR

      Uh-huh.

    8. ST

      We're seeking, uh, ways to like make whatever our small group is, uh, be safe and maybe work with other like-minded groups. And when it comes to, like, atheism, it's wild when people become fundamental about that.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. ST

      You know? Like when you're devout to the idea of atheism, it's like-

    11. JR

      Exactly.

    12. ST

      ... I don't think there's anything after this, you know, but I'm also not gonna like become an apostate from any other ideas, you know.

    13. JR

      I don't know why anybody would be sure one way or the other.

    14. ST

      Oh, I don't know, 'cause you have to be, I think.

    15. JR

      Unless some... Well, it would help you if you were.

    16. ST

      Yeah.

  4. 6:459:22

    Living “as if God is real”: meaning, morality, and motivation

    1. JR

      So the thing about it, like Jordan Peterson says this, that you should live your life as if God is real.

    2. ST

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      And if you live your life as if God is real, you, you will definitely live a better life. I was like, that's a very interesting way of thinking about it because if you're wrong, there's no consequences.

    4. ST

      Right.

    5. JR

      'Cause you j- you just die. But if you're living that way, at the very least, you'll have less anxiety.

    6. ST

      Oh, for sure.

    7. JR

      You'll have more of a sense of purpose.

    8. ST

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And you'll probably do the right thing more often, 'cause you'll be sort of like aiming to that, like looking to do, like as a good Christian... Like I, I know a lot of people that are Christian that are really good people and it's because they aim towards that. They think about that all the time.

    10. ST

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      They think about, what would God want me to do? They think about, what does God teach? And they, like, they're aiming in that. They're still human. They're still... We're all fucked.

    12. ST

      For sure.

    13. JR

      But they're aiming in that direction.

    14. ST

      Let's underline that. We are all fucked.

    15. JR

      Yeah, yeah. We're all fucked. The whole-

    16. ST

      Let's not forget that.

    17. JR

      The whole population is fucked.

    18. ST

      I don't like when people do things, uh, because they are trying to cash checks in heaven.

    19. JR

      Hmm.

    20. ST

      I do like it when you're just doing it-

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. ST

      ... because it's the right thing to do.

    23. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    24. ST

      Like when a home, when you give a homeless guy five bucks and he's like, "God bless you."

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. ST

      I'm the kinda dickhead who's like, there's no God involved in this.

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. ST

      This is one man trying to help one man.

    29. JR

      Yeah, but-

    30. ST

      I'm doing this because I think it's gonna benefit you, not because I'm trying, you know, trying to get up to the big man.

  5. 9:2214:31

    Dalai Lama controversy and the boundaries of “intimacy”

    1. JR

      ... being a... Did you see the Dalai Lama sucking on that kid's tongue?

    2. ST

      Of course, yeah.

    3. JR

      What the fuck?

    4. ST

      (laughs) Oh, yeah.

    5. JR

      Could you... What?

    6. ST

      Slurping a boy tongue.

    7. JR

      In front of a bunch of people.

    8. ST

      (laughs) Yeah.

    9. JR

      Like what-

    10. ST

      A whole bunch of people.

    11. JR

      What the fuck?

    12. ST

      (laughs) You thought you were gonna get away with this?

    13. JR

      What the, what the fuck?

    14. ST

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      What the fuck is that? I watched it, I was like, "This is wild."

    16. ST

      Oh.

    17. JR

      I remember they tried to cancel him a few years back because, uh, he was talking about marriage and they said, "You have a, you took a vow of celibacy. Like, how do you feel about this?" And he's like, "I have so many friends and, uh, they're married and, uh, and then they get divorced and they're not happy and then the woman takes all their money. Ha ha ha ha."

    18. ST

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      And this woman said something to the tune of, "Well, you know, some women, um, they make money too." He's like, "Ha, good one." (laughs)

    20. ST

      (laughs) High five.

    21. JR

      It was, it was something, something, "Oh, sure." Uh.

    22. ST

      (laughs) Yeah, now I've heard everything, lady.

    23. JR

      It was one of those-

    24. ST

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      ... fucking... It was a weird interview man, but it was weird like, he's like-

    26. ST

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      ... parroting out these tropes.

    28. ST

      Right.

    29. JR

      You know, about, uh, marriage and divorce and it's really funny. It's like, 'cause some of them fail, but this is supposed to be a spiritual leader.

    30. ST

      Right, he's supposed to be like-

  6. 14:3121:39

    Why humans kiss (and what you can catch from it)

    1. JR

      But what I'm getting at is like it's inter- it's interesting that like kissing is such an intimate act. I- like it clearly is. But I wonder how that got e- even got started, like people's breath must have been horrible back in the day.

    2. ST

      Oh, there were rotting meat in there.

    3. JR

      Oh, God. No-

    4. ST

      Oh.

    5. JR

      No dentists.

    6. ST

      Yeah, just-

    7. JR

      Your teeth all fell out.

    8. ST

      Uh-huh.

    9. JR

      And they most li- like they got knocked out. You probably got infections from cracked teeth, from getting hit-

    10. ST

      Oh, yeah.

    11. JR

      ... with rock.

    12. ST

      Uh-huh.

    13. JR

      You know?

    14. ST

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      I bet a lot of people died from like mouth infections and shit.

    16. ST

      Well, yeah. You're like trying to eat everything you find.

    17. JR

      Yeah, you don't even know what's edible.

    18. ST

      Yeah. Uh-huh.

    19. JR

      And w- when did they start kissing?

    20. ST

      I don't know.

    21. JR

      Let's find that out.

    22. ST

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Let's take a guess. When do you think, uh, kissing was invented? What if it was like 1900? (laughs)

    24. ST

      Yeah. Whenever France became a country. (laughs)

    25. JR

      What if like nobody kissed until like the 1900s?

    26. ST

      It was a revolution.

    27. JR

      I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna guess it's like some Mesopotamia shit.

    28. ST

      For sure.

    29. JR

      Yeah, I'm gonna guess that it started like thousands of years ago.

    30. ST

      Cradle of civilization.

  7. 21:3926:47

    Weed panic attacks, body talk, and getting healthier on the road

    1. JR

      It's marijuana.

    2. ST

      Oh, I'm good, man.

    3. JR

      You scared of that shit?

    4. ST

      I used to smoke it 24/7.

    5. JR

      What happened?

    6. ST

      I started having panic attacks.

    7. JR

      Ah.

    8. ST

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Interesting.

    10. ST

      It started giving me, like, heart attack symptoms.

    11. JR

      Those are fun.

    12. ST

      No. I rode it out too. I tried for, like, three years after that shit started happening. I would just be, like, getting high in a car, and I'd feel, like, something flutter in my chest, and I'd be like, "Well, this is how I go down," waiting in line at Chick-fil-A.

    13. JR

      Maybe it was the wings of angels.

    14. ST

      It could've been, yeah. (laughs)

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. ST

      It was that LDS lady. (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. ST

      That Mormon lady who loves snake oil so much-

    19. JR

      Maybe it was.

    20. ST

      ... she believes in Capricorns.

    21. JR

      In the arms of the angels.

    22. ST

      I'll see you later.

    23. JR

      That's what it is. That's the flittering. That's the flittering inside of you.

    24. ST

      I mean, when I go down, I'm gonna go down in a big, bold way.

    25. JR

      You think so? You're thinking about it?

    26. ST

      Of course, all the time.

    27. JR

      How often? How old are you now?

    28. ST

      35.

    29. JR

      You look good for 35.

    30. ST

      (laughs) Come on. (laughs)

  8. 26:4731:17

    Bill Burr clip: chasing the dream and finding joy in the grind

    1. JR

      There's a great video that we put up on the Mothership, uh, Instagram site, and it's Bill Burr. And Bill Burr is talking about-

    2. ST

      Oh, yeah.

    3. JR

      You know that video?

    4. ST

      Yeah, where he was, uh, sleeping on a couch?

    5. JR

      So let's play it. Let's play it because it's fucking... What he says is amazing. It- it's... And it, like, speaks to every comic who got through that and made it.

    6. ST

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      And every comic who's in the middle of it right now. It's online too. You can find it online.

    8. NA

      You don't. It always leads to something better. Always. All right?

    9. JR

      Re- reset it, because he said, "Don't, you-"

    10. NA

      Starving artist.

    11. JR

      "... don't hurt yourself going for a dream."

    12. NA

      ... lose when you go after a dream.

    13. ST

      Here it is.

    14. NA

      You don't. It always leads to something better. Always. All right? Starving artist. I slept on a futon till I was 36. I don't fucking regret any of it. I was dating this woman, and I said I had a spot I had to go do, and it, it paid $8 at the Comic Strip during the week, a Tuesday night. I went down there, and I came back. I tried on a new bit, and I was doing a s- And afterwards, I was at home in my apartment, and I was doing this silly dance in the kitchen 'cause I had a new bit, and I was psyched because I had gone through this period where I wasn't coming up with any new material. And she was laughing, and then she got a sad look on her face. And I said, "What's the matter?" And she said, "I wish I had a job where I only got paid $8, yet I came home, and I did a silly dance in the kitchen." The responsible thing to do is to listen to your heart. It wasn't hard to work at the shitty job because I was always thinking about the exciting job I was gonna do afterwards. And every night that I just went up on stage, and if it just went moderately okay, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't bel- I, I have to be honest with you. Like, I, I, I couldn't fucking believe that I was actually doing it, that I was actually... I had a dream, and I was making it happen. And I still remember the first time I really went on stage and I actually got in the zone for what was considered a zone at the level of comic I was. And I only was in the zone for about eight seconds. Um, I was at Nick's Comedy Stop in Framingham on Route 9. It doesn't even exist anymore. And, um, I just got on this roll of laughter that I was actually able to pause and fucking be in the moment and enjoy it rather than being like, "Oh my God, what's my next joke? What's my next joke?" And, um, that fucking feeling can carry you through a fucking shitty job for a week. Freddie Stone, excitable boy. It's what he went by. (laughs) I did a room for him, and he gave me $5 gas money. I'd probably spent 10 to get there, and I couldn't fucking believe it. And I was like, "I did that, and they gave me this." I couldn't fucking believe it. At what point... Just listen to the sound of my voice as I'm talking about this. Have you ever had that level of excitement doing any other fucking job? That's what it's like when you're, you, you go after, uh, a dream job. So, nothing, nothing is worse than not going after it.

    15. JR

      Yee-haw.

    16. ST

      Gets me fucking fired up, dude.

    17. JR

      Yee-fucking-haw.

    18. ST

      Yes.

    19. JR

      (clears throat)

    20. ST

      I had no regrets. I was eating out of dumpsters.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. ST

      I was sleeping on floors.

    23. JR

      You ate out of dumpsters?

    24. ST

      Hell yeah, dude.

    25. JR

      What'd you get out of a dumpster?

    26. ST

      You'd go to 7-Eleven, and you would get... When they threw out the chicken wings and the pizza.

    27. JR

      Would you like... Did you time it-

    28. ST

      Yeah, he knew the time.

    29. JR

      ... so that as it hit the, the dumpster, you could get in there quick?

    30. ST

      There was a window, you know?

  9. 31:1734:42

    Greyhound adventures, Black church energy, and viral ‘delivered’ comedy

    1. ST

      I was the only white boy on a bus from Houston to Lafayette, Louisiana.

    2. JR

      How was that?

    3. ST

      It was awesome. (laughs)

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. ST

      It was a mobile party, dude. It was like a Cameo video.

    6. JR

      Really?

    7. ST

      Yeah. 'Cause I was sitting in the back, and then the bus loaded up and, uh, people were passing around bottles of gin, and I had a weed hash pen.

    8. JR

      Uh. (laughs)

    9. ST

      So as soon as that gin bottle hit me, they all, like, looked at me and I was like... And then I hit the weed pen and blew it out, and everyone was like, "All right." And then the pen circulated. By the time I got off that bus, I was blackout drunk.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. ST

      But boy was I invited to a lot of barbecues. (laughs)

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. ST

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      That's awesome.

    15. ST

      It was awesome, man.

    16. JR

      That's awesome.

    17. ST

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Yeah. They do church better. They do buses better.

    19. ST

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Black folks got a lot of sh- stuff figured out-

    21. ST

      Very admirable.

    22. JR

      ... that white people haven't figured out yet.

    23. ST

      Yeah. We're so uptight, man.

    24. JR

      Yeah. Well, their church is definitely more fun.

    25. ST

      Yeah, they have gospel music.

    26. JR

      There's no more fun in America than the, the Black churches. They, they dance and sing and-

    27. ST

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      ... that's why you s... I'm sure you've seen that video of, uh, Biden at a Black church.

    29. ST

      Oh, yeah.

    30. JR

      And he's just standing there, like, not no... Everybody's, like, having a great fucking time.

  10. 34:4252:51

    Epstein Island, conspiracies, and the problem of proving anything now

    1. JR

      How... Okay, here's the suck my tongue thing.

    2. ST

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      Here's the problem with that video. Here's the problem with that.

    4. ST

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      The whole, the, the Dalai Lama thing. 'Cause the, the, the tinfoil hat, 4chan-style conspiracy theory is that there's elite pedophiles that run the world.

    6. ST

      Uh-huh.

    7. JR

      Right? And I was... I'm always reluctant to buy into that. But then I watch a few documentaries.

    8. ST

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And then I read a few cases. And then I... You, you hear about the Epstein, the island thing.

    10. ST

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      And then, you know, he gets out of it the first time.

    12. ST

      Boys Town, the Franklan scandal.

    13. JR

      There's a bunch of those.

    14. ST

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And you go, "How?" Like, does that still exist? Like, is it happening right now?

    16. ST

      Yeah. Yes.

    17. JR

      Is it... And someone's gonna uncover it. We... The Catholic Church.

    18. ST

      Uh-huh.

    19. JR

      How crazy is that?

    20. ST

      The Dalai Lama.

    21. JR

      The Dalai Lama.

    22. ST

      I mean, who knows? You know, maybe he's just-

    23. JR

      Who knows?

    24. ST

      Yeah. I don't wanna-

    25. JR

      Maybe he just likes tongue-sucking.

    26. ST

      ... dismerch the Dalai Lama.

    27. JR

      Maybe he just thinks it's fun.

    28. ST

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      It's funny and silly to suck a tongue.

    30. ST

      It was a bit he was doing?

  11. 52:5158:52

    From Pedophile Island to the LA River: pollution, runoff, and reality checks

    1. JR

      The LA River is a weird thing, man, 'cause it's-

    2. ST

      It's barely a river.

    3. JR

      You know what it really is? It's an excuse to pollute the ocean.

    4. ST

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      That's really what it is.

    6. ST

      How so?

    7. JR

      Because it runs ... It's covered in cement. It's just a big cement thing and it runs straight into the ocean.

    8. ST

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      So anytime it rains, all the shit from all the streets gets in that water.

    10. ST

      Ugh.

    11. JR

      All the shit, and then that shit goes out into the ocean. There was a guy that I used to take yoga with. He was a yoga instructor from Australia. In Australia, he surfed all the time and so when he came to America, that's one of the reasons why he wanted to teach out here on the coast, or out there on the coast is that he could surf all the time. And no one told him to not surf after the rain.

    12. ST

      Oh, shit.

    13. JR

      Because apparently when you surf after like heavy rain, like it's been raining like now, all the pollution from all of the oil and all the cars and all the fucking bottles and cans and everything-

    14. ST

      Used needles.

    15. JR

      It all just goes out that big, giant cement trough-

    16. ST

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... into the ocean.

    18. ST

      Just a bunch of spec scripts in there.

    19. JR

      See if you can find what it looks like, what the LA River looks like. Like there was a-

    20. ST

      This is, this is where they ... Like the big concrete enclosure-

    21. JR

      Exactly.

    22. ST

      ... where they have car races and all the Fast and the Fur- Furious movies?

    23. JR

      Exactly.

    24. ST

      Yeah, yeah.

    25. JR

      A lot of times it's dry.

    26. ST

      Okay.

    27. JR

      And sometimes ... And people fish in it.

    28. ST

      Ugh, God.

    29. JR

      There's, there's videos of guys fishing in it and catching the fish and eating them and cooking-

    30. ST

      No. What's in there?

  12. 58:521:05:19

    Nature is brutal: predators, falconry, and ‘murder hornets’

    1. ST

      Mine's all, like, uh, tours of the Amsterdam River and shit.

    2. JR

      Today, I spent quite a fit of time, quite a bit of time watching an eagle paralyze a hyena.

    3. ST

      Wow.

    4. JR

      He had landed on the hyena's back and he's pulling the hyena's spine apart.

    5. ST

      Oh, I like that.

    6. JR

      And the hyena has ... His back legs aren't working, so he's trying to drag himself away-

    7. ST

      Oh.

    8. JR

      ... from this eagle.

    9. ST

      Like Le- Lieutenant Dan.

    10. JR

      With his ... He's bouncing around. He's actually incredibly strong. He can actually, like, suspend his back legs and move with his front arms 'cause hyenas are that strong.

    11. ST

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      But this eagle's eating his back. It's wild to watch. It's like-

    13. ST

      I couldn't escape an eagle.

    14. JR

      ... Jesus Christ, nature so brutal.

    15. ST

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      You ever see the Mongolians when they, uh, have, uh, eagles-

    17. ST

      Of course.

    18. JR

      ... on their arms and they chase 'em after wolves?

    19. ST

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      They let 'em go to kill wolves.

    21. ST

      Mm-hmm. Yeah, and they have those hoods for the eagles and the hawks. That's a beautiful life, living on the Mongolian steppe, just eating horse milk all the time, hunting with a bird.

    22. JR

      Back in the day.

    23. ST

      I mean, currently.

    24. JR

      I don't think those guys do it all the time.

    25. ST

      I think they have competitions out there.

    26. JR

      What's that right there?

    27. NA

      Well, I, I ... There's another video I saw I was trying to find, but this popped up too. There's people that do, like, drive-by falconry.

    28. JR

      What the fuck?

    29. ST

      Oh my God, so you throw him and he just jacks a bird.

    30. NA

      Yeah.

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