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Joe Rogan Experience #1978 - Ms Pat

Ms. Pat is a stand-up comic, host of “The Patdown” podcast, and star of the BET+ series “The Ms. Pat Show.” Her most recent special, “Y’all Wanna Hear Something Crazy?”, is streaming on Netflix.  www.mspatcomedy.com

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Jun 27, 20242h 33mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:01 – 0:18

    Ms. Pat returns: Atlanta move, husband retired, first theater tour announced

    1. NA

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

    4. PA

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

    5. JR

      (laughs) It's good to see you.

    6. PA

      It's good to see you too.

    7. JR

      What's happening?

  2. 0:18 – 2:09

    The Ms. Pat Show’s rise: Emmy nods, Jordan Cooper, and a rare real sitcom

    1. PA

      Uh, life. Life is good. I moved back to Atlanta. My husband retired. I'm having fun. I'm getting ready to move into my first theater tour called Ya Girl Done Made It!

    2. JR

      That's beautiful.

    3. PA

      Life is beautiful.

    4. JR

      That's exciting. How's your show doing?

    5. PA

      Uh, my show is doing great. It's, uh, we just wrapped it. Well, the third season just came out in February. Got some big news coming. Uh, you know, see what the fourth season gotta give. You know, it's going great.

    6. JR

      It's a funny fucking show.

    7. PA

      Thank you. People are loving it. And I-

    8. JR

      It's a real sitcom, you know, and there's not a lot of those anymore.

    9. PA

      It's not. It's not. And that's, you know, we was nominated for an Emmy.

    10. JR

      Nice.

    11. PA

      Uh, first time for BET or BET+.

    12. JR

      Really?

    13. PA

      Yes, yes, yes. We was, the director got nominated for such a great episode. And so we'll see what we can repeat this year.

    14. JR

      Who's that gentleman that you brought with me last time, your executive producer?

    15. PA

      Uh, yeah. He created the show with me. Jordan Cooper. He just-

    16. JR

      Jordan Cooper is a genius. That young man.

    17. PA

      He is.

    18. JR

      Like, how old is he?

    19. PA

      I think he's 27 now.

    20. JR

      That's insane.

    21. PA

      Yeah, he-

    22. JR

      He, I've never met anybody that knows more about TV. When he was telling us about the history of, like, how Lucy and Desi Arnaz controlled that show and how they took it and took it on tour and then made it into a television show, like I didn't know all that shit.

    23. PA

      He loves TV. Um, we just, um, we did a whole Lucy and Ethel, me and Tami Roman 'cause people love us together. I, he brought her into, you know, he casted her before he dang near casted me. (laughs) And he put us together and he said, "I'm telling you, y'all gonna be like Lucy and Ethel." And that's what the world think we are now.

    24. JR

      Wow.

    25. PA

      And they love us together. Shout out to Tami Roman.

    26. JR

      Shout out to Tami Roman. I'm so glad your show has caught steam because that genre for comedians is kind of a dying genre. You don't really see sitcoms much anymore.

  3. 2:09 – 4:03

    Turning trauma into comedy: pushing the envelope on BET+

    1. PA

      Not with comedians. Uh, thank God I had a million and one stories and, you know, thank God that, you know, we on BET+ because they let us push the envelope. They don't, you know, they don't wanna wrap it up in a bow. They let us wrap it up the Ms. Pat way. So we talked about everything the last three seasons from, you know, from me having a gay daughter, the gay experience, you know, uh, being in jail, being a teenage mama, hating my mother, being molested. We just did a, uh, uh, Black hair, we just did an episode on me being molested by my mama's boyfriend, which was very funny but also very touching. And I did the episode to let people know that you can't change the past. All you can do is look for what's i-, what's in front of you, so don't whine about it. Find a way to laugh about it. And it was a very serious episode that hit home for a lot of the people who watch The Ms. Pat Show, but they was able to laugh at it.

    2. JR

      That's a complicated subject to try to make funny.

    3. PA

      I try to make everything funny, Joe Rogan. It is.

    4. JR

      I know you do. (laughs)

    5. PA

      But, uh, you know, I tell people, it's my story, so I got the right to, to, to, to react to it the way I want to. I could be somewhere crying. For what? I found the funny in it and we wrote it into an episode and people was like, "Thank you, Ms. Pat. You make me realize that I don't have to cry about what happened to me 10 years ago or 20 years ago." Forgive them and move the hell on. I've, my mama's boyfriend is dead. Other people who molest me is dead. Well, hey, look at me now. Even my kids' father, I talked about him many times to you. I mean, he working at Jiffy Lube and he done had, like, four heart attacks. I wish him well. I'm okay. And that's what it's all about. It's about me.

    6. JR

      That's a great attitude to have to go through life, like, 'cause you really can't change the past.

    7. PA

      No, you cannot. But I, I control, I can control what's happening to me now.

    8. JR

      What I love about your show is your show is doing things that, like, some of the great old sitcoms did.

    9. PA

      Yes.

  4. 4:03 – 7:01

    Classic multi-cam energy: live audience vs canned laughter (and why it matters)

    1. JR

      Like, y- y- it's, it's, you know, people thought that that multi-camera shoot where you do it in front of a live audience, people thought you weren't doing that anymore, which is kinda crazy because that used to be the thing that everybody wanted to do. You know, all the way back to, you know, before Seinfeld, Sanford and Son, I mean, the, the, the, All in the Family. They did all those shows with an audience.

    2. PA

      Well, uh, they went to canned laughter, you know-

    3. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. PA

      ... which, uh, which was much easier. You know, if you ain't wrote nothing that's not funny and you ain't got nobody sitting there, you can just drop in the laughter.

    5. JR

      What shows used only c- I think, you know, I saw a clip of, uh, The Big Bang Theory. And it was The Big Bang Theory but without the laughs, like they, they removed the laughs so you could see, like, what, what the show actually is.

    6. PA

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      I'm like, "Why are people laughing at this? This is strange."

    8. PA

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Like, I don't know if that was a retake, 'cause so- you know how it is. Sometimes you have to do retakes and sometimes you do them when the crowd's not there.

    10. PA

      Well, last time I talked about Big Bang Theory, I got in trouble from little white girls. (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. PA

      So they was down my throat. They was sending me death threats, like they were all gonna clone they self together and whoop my ass-

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. PA

      ... 'cause I didn't recognize the star of The Big Bang Theory. (laughs) But, uh, I mean, I, I've never watched The Big Bang Theory so, but I'm quite sure a lot of sitcoms tape that way without a live studio audience. And you can, you can even look at sitcoms now who do use canned laughter and the la-, the laughter is when they going up the steps or when they combing their hair. You be like, "Who the fuck edited this shit?"

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. PA

      This ain't right. This ain't funny.

    17. JR

      They're just trying to make it too funny.

    18. PA

      And what, we, with, with us, we just, he wanted that, that Lucy and, yeah, Lucy feel.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. PA

      He wanted the old school feel. And we taped in front of a live studio audience in Atlanta, Joe, had never been done for a sitcom, a multi-cam. So when we got there, the people behi- the camera people had never did it before in Atlanta, so it was a teaching moment for first season.

    21. JR

      Oh, wow.

    22. PA

      So now every, they got the hook up, that mean, you know, everybody know what they doing. Now we turning away audience member. The third season, we was turning people away.

    23. JR

      That's great.

    24. PA

      So, they loving it and it's like a party. It's like a, it's like a family reunion. People come from everywhere to come see Ms. Pat show in Atlanta.

    25. JR

      Well, what he did, what the, everyone did is capture the essence of your standup. And of you on podcasts.

    26. PA

      Yes.

    27. JR

      Like why people love you. And to put that into a sitcom and not make it corny, like I told you last time I saw it, well, before I saw it, I was like, I was skeptical.

    28. PA

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      I- I love you. I think you're hilarious. The last thing I wanna see is you in some mediocre version of the Ms. Pat life. But they nailed it.

    30. PA

      Yeah, we nailed it.

  5. 7:01 – 14:34

    Editing, runtime limits, and creative control (plus: being ‘black as hell’ on TV)

    1. PA

      A little bit. They might give you 33, but no more than 35. (laughs)

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. PA

      They be screaming, "Cut it!" And Joe be saying, "No, you're gonna mess up the whole part of the, of the show. Don't, don't cut it." So that, we fight a lot about a little longer episodes, and BET is pretty much open minded with it. I mean, if it, if it, if we ask them, if we beg them not to cut it, because it's gonna mess it up, sometime they'll let it go. But the good part about it, they'll move it over to linear, and then, you know, they'll cut a lot of stuff out. And I'll be like, "Hey, y'all. The show is a lot better if you just go back over to BET+."

    4. JR

      Yeah. That sucks that they have to do it that way 'cause that has to be 22 minutes, is that what it is?

    5. PA

      Yeah, and they take the monologue out, and I hated the monologue. And people loves the monologue. And the monologue is kinda like when Seinfeld did a joke up front.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. PA

      But mine's is more where I tell you, um, how I'm feeling and what you about to get in the show.

    8. JR

      Oh.

    9. PA

      So every episode, and I hated them 'cause I have to learn them, like I have to learn the script, and sometimes the day before. (laughs)

    10. JR

      But you just hate them because they're hard to do, but do you love the final product, like how it looks on the show?

    11. PA

      I do love the final product. And, you know, I have a lot of control with this show, so I'm thankful for that because-

    12. JR

      That's amazing.

    13. PA

      ... 'cause I've heard horror stories-

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. PA

      ... where you don't get a lot of control.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. PA

      You know, and they'll have people writing you the way that you're not.

    18. JR

      But it's so foolish too because, with a person like you, it's so clear that you know what you're doing, like you've been doing it a long time. Just let her do it in the sense of a sitcom.

    19. PA

      Eh-

    20. JR

      Just get the pieces in play.

    21. PA

      And that's what I did. That's what I always tell them. I say, "You know, one thing I know, Joe, is I know funny." I know me and I know the type of funny that I'm trying to put out. And that's all I ask them, to move out the way and give me the space, you know?

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. PA

      I don't, I don't wanna explain every joke to you. It, it might not be for you.

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. PA

      So, you know, that's one of the reasons why I'm really glad we at BET+ too 'cause we can be black as hell. (laughs)

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. PA

      I'm not in a room with a whole bunch of white execs who scared to say nappy. (laughs)

    28. JR

      Are you allowed to swear? Can you say basically anything you want? 'Cause-

    29. PA

      We say everything, bitch, ho, motherfucker, nigga. We say everything.

    30. JR

      Oh, that's amazing.

  6. 14:34 – 29:35

    How writers’ rooms really work: avoiding hack jokes, hired laughers, and corporate sensitivity

    1. PA

      One of the things that I tell you that I ran into, um, with building a sitcom is, like, writers. So you deal with the writers that been in Hollywood so long, and they stuck in this box.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. PA

      Like, we, I literally had writers say, "They're never gonna let you do that." And I'm like, "They gonna let me do me."

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. PA

      "They hired me. You knew what the fuck you was getting when you gave me that first deposit. And I told you I ain't get hit with no pie, and I ain't chasing no dick like they say fat girls do."

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. PA

      "I been having sex since sixth grade. Two things I told Hollywood. You can never give me as much money as I can steal from you. Now, let's make this show." So a lot of- (laughs)

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. PA

      I think a lot of writers are just stuck-

    10. JR

      (laughs) Yeah, stuck.

    11. PA

      ... inside the box, and they just recycle the same fucking joke.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. PA

      If I heard it, I don't want it.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. PA

      If it's close, uh, to what I've heard before in the barber shop or on another show, I'm like, "Get that shit outta here. Let's go back to the drawing board." And that's one of the things. We write on the floor. A joke, I be like, "I heard that shit." You, I'm a comedian. You can't give me nothing I ain't heard. I done heard it from the white side, to the Black side, to any other side, 'cause I played both sides of the ring. So you can't pull that shit off on me. And a lot of time, I'm like, "Nah, I'm not doing that wacky shit."

    16. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    17. PA

      "Hacky-ass shit. We ain't doing that."

    18. JR

      I think a lot of them lose their passion, you know? I think they just b- they do it so long, and it becomes a job, like they're a plumber now or they're-

    19. PA

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      ... they're just a, uh, ha- you know, hanging wall board. They're just doing a job.

    21. PA

      And Hollywood will drain you, too.

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. PA

      All those nos. And you, you have people-

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. PA

      ... up there that making decisions that don't know shit about-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. PA

      ... um, don't know, really don't know shit about TV, some of them.

    28. JR

      Nah.

    29. PA

      What is that movie that came out, a crazy-ass movie with the, uh, he was like a superhero. And, um, that movie was, it was on the shelf for a couple years. Um, was Ben Affleck in it?

    30. JR

      What movie was that?

  7. 29:35 – 31:00

    Fans, criticism, and clapbacks: cancel culture, comments, and the ‘Crack Babies’ community

    1. PA

      (laughs) Don't, don't come fucking with me. I'm 51 years-

    2. JR

      You get after people in the comments?

    3. PA

      Who? What?

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. PA

      What, Joe? Don't fuck with me. That was like, "You fat." I say, "I can lose this weight, but can you lose your fucking ugly face? Kiss my ass from the back."

    6. JR

      Wow.

    7. PA

      That's what I tell them.

    8. JR

      That's not wasted energy?

    9. PA

      Some days, if I'm laying in bed doing nothing and my titties just resting, I'll cuss your ass out.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. PA

      (laughs) Now, if I'm busy...

    12. JR

      That's... (laughs) ... some people get really locked into those social media comments.

    13. PA

      You know, I used to, 'cause, uh, you know, when I first started, you want people to like what you do, then I just took on my street mental, "Fuck you."

    14. JR

      This is- (laughs)

    15. PA

      "Fuck you. You, you talking ..." You know, they'd be like, "Oh, your obesity." Uh, "'Cause I got money and I can eat, bitch."

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. PA

      "You eat lettuce 'cause that's all you can afford to do. You motherfucking, uh, apron scot, whatever the fuck they call you. (laughs)

    18. JR

      (fart noise)

    19. PA

      "Apricot-eating motherfucker." (laughs) "Get the fuck out my face."

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. PA

      (laughs) I can cuss good, Joe.

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. PA

      And I tell them all the time, "Leave me the fuck alone." And they don't come at me. And you know what? I, I, I have such a great fan base. They're called the Ms. Pat Crack Babies. And we have a Facebook page on Facebook. And, and when I tell you they ride or die, Joe, they ... And it was a bunch of white women that ready to write a letter to the Congress for Ms. Pat.

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. PA

      You come fucking with me, them soccer moms put down them pies-

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. PA

      ... and they'll tear your asshole up. Shout out to the Crack Babies. (laughs)

  8. 31:00 – 36:11

    Scams, stalkers, and phone-number survival for public figures

    1. JR

      You were telling me that somebody used your, that Crack Baby form as, like, a scam.

    2. PA

      Oh. Yeah, Joe. So, uh, I don't go in it a lot 'cause I've been busy. So my, uh, my, my beautician, the girl who does my hair, she was like, "I think you need to take a look at this." So come to find out one of the fans was telling the other fans, "Let's do something nice for Ms. Pat." So I started this party in Atlanta, um, called the Ms. Pat Crack Babies. Uh, Ms. Pat's Fan Celebration, just to give back, 'cause I love my fans 'cause there's some ride or die ones out there. And right now, I can do it. I know you can't do it, but I can do it. So I threw a party for them in Atlanta, uh, invited 600 people down, VIP. All you had to do was get there, and I took care of you. And it was a great celebration. So I invited the wrong person, and they decided to say, "Let's do something good for Ms. Pat. Let's buy a Gucci purse. Let's do this." And just was taking all the fans' money. I didn't even notice.

    3. JR

      Oh.

    4. PA

      I ... When I finally noticed, she was a couple thousand dollars in. And I was like, "You bitch." One lady sent me some lotion. The bitch kept the lotion, Joe. She didn't even send me the lotion. So we kicked out the group. And I asked her what she did with the money, "I used it for myself." Get your silly ass out my group. So I threw her out.

    5. JR

      I used it for myself.

    6. PA

      Yes.

    7. JR

      She told you the truth at least.

    8. PA

      Yeah, she told me the truth. And then this lady, this same fan was coming to three and four shows, following me all around, calling me Mama.

    9. JR

      Oh.

    10. PA

      You know, I'm like, "Bitch, I'm not your mama, your dog's skin deep." But- (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. PA

      Oh Lord, they gonna tear my ass up for that. (laughs)

    13. JR

      (laughs) Oh my God.

    14. PA

      But these fans-

    15. JR

      You got a stalker.

    16. PA

      Oh, I, I did ha- I do ha- I did have a stalker.

    17. JR

      That lady sounds like a stalker.

    18. PA

      She was. But I also had another one that was a gay man that I had to tell, "I'm gonna call the fucking police on you. First of all, you a gay man. So what the fuck are we gonna do, play Uno?" (laughs) You ain't even trying to climb through my window and get none. You just, "I love you, Ms. Pat." I say, "I'm telling you now, call my fucking phone again and I'm calling the police."

    19. JR

      Yeah, you don't even know how he got your number, right?

    20. PA

      I don't know how he got my number.

    21. JR

      People can get ... They can get your number.

    22. PA

      But I used to wonder why everybody keep changing their phone numbers, but I'm joining that bandwagon.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. PA

      Then I changed my fucking number.

    25. JR

      I got five phone numbers.

    26. PA

      You do?

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. PA

      I know, Joe, 'cause I be texting sometimes, it takes you six months to text back.

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. PA

      I'm like, "Goddamn." (laughs)

  9. 36:11 – 40:36

    Three Cane Corsos and seven acres: big dogs, big responsibilities

    1. PA

      And if I, if I forget to pay you, forgive me. Remind me and I go back and look. I have somebody ... I check behind every motherfucker, even my husband. My ... I told my hub, my hub went out one day, Joe, 'cause he retired. Motherfucker went out and bought three Cane Corso dogs.... three. Them motherfucker huge.

    2. JR

      Those are huge dogs.

    3. PA

      I said, "Why the fuck..." He let this man send him three Cane Corsos dogs. I say, "Why, Gary? Why?" And these motherfucker, they whine all the time. I think one of 'em got sleep apne. He sleep on his back. The other one got a-ADHD. They-

    4. JR

      How old are these dogs now?

    5. PA

      They like seven months but they like fucking horses.

    6. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me tell you something about those dogs. They need to be trained.

    7. PA

      We, we got w- well, let me tell you, Joe. We got 'em in training. So-

    8. JR

      Okay.

    9. PA

      ... first thing-

    10. JR

      I mean, they have to be like-

    11. PA

      W- w-

    12. JR

      ... really trained.

    13. PA

      Well, we-

    14. JR

      Those are, those are like real working dogs.

    15. PA

      Yeah, my motherfucking nerds. Those is what they were.

    16. JR

      Those motherfuckers are smart.

    17. PA

      They are?

    18. JR

      Those are smart dogs.

    19. PA

      Mine dumb as fuck.

    20. JR

      His are smart dogs and they, they like to fuck people up.

    21. PA

      Th- let me tell you- (laughs)

    22. JR

      Those dogs like to fuck people up.

    23. PA

      I got one that's so motherfucking crazy. They named Sheba, Zeus, and Conright. And they, everybody talk m- Sheba's in training right now 'cause she the one leads the pack. That's the one I like 'cause she ain't that big. Them other motherfucker, I'm in the kitchen the other day, we got 'em in cages 'cause I'm building a house. He kick his motherfucking cage door up. I said, "Oh, no. You about to get in handcuff, motherfucker-" (laughs)

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. PA

      "... right against that goddamn door." (laughs)

    26. JR

      Those dogs get big.

    27. PA

      I told... Oh, they too big for they cage and my house ain't done.

    28. JR

      They're so strong too but that's what I'm saying, like you have to have control over those dogs.

    29. PA

      W- well, we got 'em in training. One, we got one of 'em in training, the other one getting ready to leave next week. The other one bit the other one on the leg so he hopping. They so... Oh my god, Joe.

    30. JR

      Yeah, my friend had to put one of his down recently-

  10. 40:36 – 43:04

    Morning radio, no cursing, and Ms. Pat’s next dream: DIY/home improvement TV

    1. PA

      Yeah. You know, 'cause I do, I do a radio show. I do a morning show with Big Tigger in Atlanta V103 s- so-

    2. JR

      How do you like doing that?

    3. PA

      I like doing it. You know, I didn't know what to expect, you know, getting up that early in the morning, um, but-

    4. JR

      Does that fuck with your standup?

    5. PA

      No. Mm-mm.

    6. JR

      No?

    7. PA

      No, we, it's in the contract. You're not gonna fuck with my standup because-

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. PA

      ... that's what I own. Yeah.

    10. JR

      No, but I, but I mean getting up in the morning.

    11. PA

      No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm a early morning person anyway.

    12. JR

      All right.

    13. PA

      You know, no matter where I'm at in the world, I will call my husband at four o'clock when he was working at General Motors and I had to talk to him all the way to work. So now I get on his fucking nerve 'cause he retired but I still call him-

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. PA

      ... at four o'clock (laughs) in the morning. And he don't wanna say fuck off 'cause he retired and I'm out there working. (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. PA

      But when I'm home, he be like, "Don't you wanna go to the radio today?" (laughs) So I know he's trying to fucking get rid of me. But I'm having a blast at V103 in Atlanta, um, you know, I'm a co-host so it's- it's different, it's different. I'm just trying shit so I've been there now almost two years.

    18. JR

      Um, is there any problems with language? Like-

    19. PA

      Yeah, you can't curse is the-

    20. JR

      Yeah, you can't curse.

    21. PA

      I only, I only cur-

    22. JR

      Does that fuck with you though?

    23. PA

      Nah.

    24. JR

      No?

    25. PA

      I only, I only curse when you pay me to. (laughs)

    26. JR

      I wish you, I wish you cursed though. I just wanted you to be free. That's what I worry about you on like a radio show.

    27. PA

      Well, it's a morning show.

    28. JR

      You gotta hold back.

    29. PA

      I mean, you know, uh, who knows? XM might come knocking, you know. The thing that I really wanna do, I, um, I'm a DIY type person so I love DIY. So that's what I really wanna do.

    30. JR

      You wanna do like a do it yourself show?

  11. 43:04 – 47:16

    Marriage, sacrifice, and getting ‘the call’: husband’s support and Katt Williams tour break

    1. JR

      Look at that.What is this like for your husband who knew you before the success?

    2. PA

      I-

    3. JR

      Is it wild for him?

    4. PA

      I think it is. I think it is 'cause, you know, (laughs) my husband was, spent 22 years at General Motors. And for me, I- I was at General Motors, too. And for me to quit and say, "Hey, is there something in his comedy?" He's like, "Oh, fuck, Pat, can you just keep a job?" And when I tell him, uh, sometimes I say, "You know, in the beginning, you didn't believe in me." He said, "You telling a damn lie." I said, "I- I..." (laughs)

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. PA

      He said, "Nobody's gonna listen to the fucking chicken house jokes you got." (laughs)

    7. JR

      Ah.

    8. PA

      So, but he's very supportive. He take care of the home. And, you know, I, he didn't, he don't come see me a lot, but in the beginning, Joe, it was his credit card and his paycheck that allowed me to go out and make $100 a night. You know, so many times I maxed out that man credit card. So many times I fucked up his credit, but it's my dream. (laughs)

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. PA

      He should've been left my ass.

    11. JR

      But for you to make that dream while you had a husband and a family and children, it's so difficult to do when you're a 21-year-old kid just, you know, just going to open mic nights.

    12. PA

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      For you to be able to do that and to chase it down and make it successful, that's a real American success story. Because it's a hard thing to do while you have a family, to just get out to the clubs every night 'cause you gotta start at open mic nights-

    14. PA

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... and you gotta get that stage time.

    16. PA

      You know, it's- it's sacrifice. I- I sacrificed a lot, and so did my family. You know, one thing, my daughter, 'cause I have custody of my niece, four kids now. I've had them for 10 years. And m- my career started to get a little bit of buzz while I was in Indiana, and m- my daughter was gonna go to Howard University, which is a HBCU. And, but she instead was like, "I'm not gonna leave my father here with these four kids," that, you know, because my niece left him when she was on drugs. So she chose to go to Indiana State. And so sacrifices like that went all through my family.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. PA

      My son decided to go to college locally because he didn't wanna leave my, my husband there with all the kids, you know. At the time, the baby was, uh, 15 months old when the mama left. She's nine now.

    19. JR

      Wow.

    20. PA

      She's 10 now. So, you know, I just thank my family for even being there, and my husband for putting up with bullshit. He was like, "That's all you made was $50? $200? $300?" Shit, the plane ticket was $600. "Well, I made $400 of our dollars back. Pat, you're losing." I said, "But there's something here. You just gotta be patient."

    21. JR

      Wow. When did he come around? When did he realize?

    22. PA

      Wh- I'll tell you when he realized. When Katt Williams, the first time Katt Williams called me for, uh, to go on his tour. And he said, "Wait, this bitch might be funny." (laughs)

    23. JR

      (laughs) How did Katt Williams see you?

    24. PA

      Uh, we was, he was at an agency. Uh, can't remember the agency, but his, this guy called and said, I had just signed with that agent, and, um, that he was looking for a Black woman. And I sent over a little clip, and they picked me.

    25. JR

      Wow.

    26. PA

      I was blown away. I was like, "I'm on tour with Katt Williams. I done made it."

    27. JR

      So what year was this?

    28. PA

      When he did the tape, uh, Catapotholist, right after all of that other stuff, he, when he was, like, at the height. So I did the next DVD called Catapotholist. I don't remember what year, early 2006, maybe '07.

    29. JR

      When he was doing The Pimp Chronicles.

    30. PA

      It was after The Pimp Chronicles.

  12. 47:16 – 54:55

    Pre-show rituals, music hype, and what ‘motivation’ actually is

    1. JR

      He d- I, there's a couple things that I took from him. Uh, I saw an interview from him once, and one of the things that he said, uh, he said, "I never eat before a show," he goes, "You never wanna have a show with a full stomach."

    2. PA

      Why?

    3. JR

      'Cause he really... It- it- it takes away resources 'cause if your body's digesting food, you have less energy. It's just, that's real. That's like fighters. Fighters don't go into the ring with a full stomach.

    4. PA

      And one of 'em sleepy at 8:00 every day. (laughs)

    5. JR

      Yeah, yeah. So I was like, "That's smart," 'cause sometimes I'm just hungry-

    6. PA

      Ooh.

    7. JR

      ... and I eat and I'm, but now I'm like, "No, I need, like, a lot of time to digest food." And then he also said he has a music playlist that he listens to before shows that it just, like, gets him in the mood. I go, "That's smart," because s- a lot of times I want to hear music, but I don't, like, I haven't brought anything with me. And then when I started doing shows with Chappelle, Dave always brings his music. He always brings like a...

    8. PA

      Black comedians always have music.

    9. JR

      Big Bluetooth... He has these big JBL boombox Bluetooth and k- these fucking c- they look like Canons. He takes those, and we had two of them, and he would sync 'em up and put them on either side of the room, and they, they'd sync together. I was like, "That's the way to do it." So I took that from him too, 'cause, like, he had an approach to, like, how he prepare for a show. He's like, "I'll have one drink. I'll get loosened up. I'll have this playlist I listen to." But I, I thought about it after listening to that interview, I'm like, "I don't have a, like a thought process behind, like, preparing for a show." And now I do. Now I, I have a playlist we listen to in the, the green room before the show.

    10. PA

      What you listen to?

    11. JR

      Oh, everything. I got a lot of '90s hip hop in there.

    12. PA

      Okay.

    13. JR

      I like, I like, for some reason, like, angry '90s, like Kool G Rap gets me going before a show. A lot of Wu-Tang's in there, a lot of classic rock, uh, like Peter Frampton's in there. Some AC/DC in there.

    14. PA

      Ooh.

    15. JR

      Some country music in there. It's all mixed up. I got Liz Phair in there.... some Johnny Cash in there.

    16. PA

      I listen to, um, uh, Latto, the, the rapper Latto-

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. PA

      ... Giving, It's Giving.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. PA

      That's what I come out to, so-

    21. JR

      Oh, nice.

    22. PA

      She really gets me in the mood. And I like Cardi B. Cardi B always get me in the mood. So them, them two is probably who I got in my ear. If I wanna be laid back, I put on a little Beyonce but, little Fantasia, but-

    23. JR

      Mm.

    24. PA

      ... mostly Cardi B and Latto if I'm about to go on stage.

    25. JR

      Yeah, you want something that gets you going. Yeah. It's-

    26. PA

      And they, they really get you going.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. PA

      They get me going, even if I'm on a treadmill.

    29. JR

      There it is.

    30. PA

      (laughs) Don't make me say it twice. Bitch, I said what I said.

  13. 54:55 – 1:01:21

    From teen pregnancy to sitcom creator: Ms. Pat’s life story as resilience blueprint

    1. JR

      I mean, it's so crazy, from, from the time you were young, from, uh, uh, like, uh, like what year were you pregnant? And how old were you the first time?

    2. PA

      Uh, I got pregnant at 13. I met him at 12. He was 22, I was 12. He was married. I got pregnant at 13, gave birth at 14, then had another baby at 15 by him. Then I got pregnant again at 16, and a caseworker showed me how to get an abortion.

    3. JR

      ... and think about all that, and then you combine it with selling crack.

    4. PA

      Yep.

    5. JR

      You combine it with-

    6. PA

      Being shot. (laughs)

    7. JR

      ... being shot. You combine it with all those things.

    8. PA

      Prison.

    9. JR

      The idea that it would lead you to 2023 with your own sitcom, building a 17,000 square foot house on a giant plot of land, making your own podcast studio on it. You're the one who handles all the bills. You take care of everything. Everything has to go through you. You're the boss lady. That's wild.

    10. PA

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      That's an amazing inspiration story 'cause you were in a terrible place. If you think about a child, like, someone getting pregnant at 13 years old, say, what chance does that child have for a- a happy, healthy, successful life? It's very, very, very low.

    12. PA

      It is.

    13. JR

      So, for you to get through all that and to maintain your family and to have developed this successful career, this is amazing. That's an amazing inspirational story.

    14. PA

      It is.

    15. JR

      That's way better than some bullshit that some fucking con man is just saying on Instagram.

    16. PA

      Well, I mean, i- uh, it is amazing. Uh-

    17. JR

      It's amazing.

    18. PA

      You know, I also had something to live for. I had two kids by the time I was 15.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. PA

      I didn't want them to go through what I went through. I've said this a million times. And it was the first time I ever felt like I was loved. So, to have that love for my daughter, my very first child, that I'd never experienced in a household before, you know, it gave me hope.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. PA

      I didn't know I was gonna end up with all of this in the future. All I wanted, uh, all I ever wanted, Joe, was a family. Uh, fuck everything else. All I wanted was a family. And I got it. Nothing else meant anything to me. The materialistic shit, the fame. All I ever wanted to do was open that door, walk in a house to people that loves me.

    23. JR

      That's beautiful.

    24. PA

      And I do walk, I do go home, even with the kids that I'm raising that my niece left. I get home, they, "Oh, mama is home! Get ..." And I'm, "Get your goddamn hands off me." (laughs)

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. PA

      My husband's like, "She's back!" (laughs) But I know they loves me.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. PA

      And they love me. It is nothing fake. I- I can walk into that house, drop my wig on the floor. I don't have to be Miss Pat. Even my daughter who hardly come downstairs, Garianna. She'll look over the balcony and be like, "All right, mama. You're back. Love you. Go back in our room." I don't see her for fucking weeks. (laughs)

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. PA

      You know that's the one I tell you stay upstairs all the time. If she don't get no man, I'm gonna take her pussy and use it. (laughs)

  14. 1:01:21 – 1:14:44

    Parenting, school chaos, and strict household rules (plus weight loss and Ozempic)

    1. PA

      ... so crazy with the shit going on in this world with these teachers? How, how just ... how you let these kids disrespect them and all of this bullshit going on-

    2. GS

      Yeah.

    3. PA

      ... in these schools? Just the disrespect. Look at the girl who broke the teacher leg. Look at the teacher who just got into a fight. What the fuck?

    4. GS

      Yeah.

    5. PA

      They should... To me, they should hold p- parents accountable because I'm here to tell you, if my child ever tried that shit, I will beat the f- black off Ramon.

    6. GS

      (laughs)

    7. PA

      I will beat ... I'm not gonna side with you up there disrespecting no adult, and that's how it used to be when I was coming up. Everybody whooped your ass in the neighborhood. Now these kids like, "Oh, my God. You gotta respect me." Bitch, you don't even pay no bills. What the fuck am I respecting for somebody who don't even know how to pay a bill? These kids so dumb they don't even know how to fill out a check, Joe. They don't even have checks no more for you to fill out. I think my husband got the last book of checks in this world.

    8. GS

      Yeah, they do it all electronically now, right?

    9. PA

      Yeah. So, how ... Why am I respecting you when you don't pay for shit?

    10. GS

      (laughs)

    11. PA

      Huh?

    12. GS

      Kids, uh, they ... There's a different feeling that kids have today.

    13. PA

      No, it's a different-

    14. GS

      Like, they feel like they know-

    15. PA

      ... feeling that society-

    16. GS

      ... society has for them.

    17. PA

      ... gave kids. You know, have you been abused? What's abuse? I, I tell you. So here, I got these custody of the kids, and they called me to ... They, th- the, the teacher called me, and I said, "Well, I'm gonna beat her ass." So the principal said, "You gotta hit it on them at home." I said, "Bitch, you don't tell me where to hit it at." Two hours later, DFAC was at my house.

    18. GS

      Really?

    19. PA

      Went to the school, talked to my kids, and the lady showed up and she was like ... She knew ... The Black lady knew who I was. She said, "Well, I gotta investigate." I said, "No, you ain't gotta do a motherfucking thing. You come get these motherfucking children that don't nobody give me nothing for. I'm gonna whoop these motherfucker ass over here. If you don't want their ass whooped, get them up out of here because I'm gonna tell you right now, ain't nobody shooting me. Ain't nobody whooping my motherfucking ass. Fuck that put you in the corner and we gonna pray about your behavior. I'm gonna knock your goddamn head off."

    20. GS

      (laughs)

    21. PA

      (laughs) I'm old school, and I don't give a fuck what you say. Ain't nobody ... I have a f- I have a 36-year-old daughter. I have a 35-year-old son, a 24-year, and a 20 ... You're not cursing in front of me. You're not disrespecting me. We're not getting high together. I'm not your motherfucking friend because I went too m- I went through too much in my life to be letting you motherfuckers talk to me. They ... I was telling my daughter, she said ass. I said, "Bitch, don't say ass in front of me. Don't say that shit in front of me." Why Mama ... Ass is cussing.

    22. GS

      She can't cuss at all in front of you?

    23. PA

      No, I don't play that shit.

    24. GS

      (laughs) Really?

    25. PA

      You know I cuss to every-

    26. GS

      As much as you cuss?

    27. PA

      Yeah.

    28. GS

      So-

    29. PA

      They can cuss among themselves.

    30. GS

      So you can cuss in front of them?

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