Joe Rogan Experience #1983 - Kim Congdon & Sara Weinshenk

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hey, we're rolling. Hi, ladies.

Sara Weinshenk 0:13 Hi.

Kim Congdon 0:14 Hi.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's happening?

Sara Weinshenk 0:15 What's up?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Good to see you. Class of, uh, zero ... What, what number were you guys of, of Tony, Kill Tony? You guys are class of one-

Kim Congdon 0:23 We were-

Joe Rogan 0:24 Class of zero to one.

Kim Congdon 0:24 OGs, yeah. OGs.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Yeah, the real OGs.

Kim Congdon 0:27 Yep.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Isn't it wild to see what it's become now?

Kim Congdon 0:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:29 I mean, it's literally like the number one live comedy show ever.

Sara Weinshenk 0:33 It's insane.

Kim Congdon 0:34 It's insane. We started so long ago. That's where we met, her and I.

Sara Weinshenk 0:38 Yeah, we've met-

Kim Congdon 0:39 And we've been working together ever since.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Besties.

Kim Congdon 0:40 Yeah, so, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:41 I've said it before but I'll say it again, Tony's the greatest host of any comedy show ever.

Kim Congdon 0:46 I know.

Joe Rogan 0:46 He's the best.

Sara Weinshenk 0:46 Yeah, he does really good. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Nobody's better off the cuff.

Kim Congdon 0:49 I know. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Off the cuff?

Sara Weinshenk 0:50 Amazing. He's so fast, he's so quick. And you know, we l- owe a lot to him, I feel like, because he really helped us get our start. We learned a lot from being on that show.

Kim Congdon 0:59 Well, yeah. Being, being on Kill Tony when we started, we were like babies.

Sara Weinshenk 1:03 Babies.

Kim Congdon 1:03 That was ... That's where we met you, that's where we met ... I opened for Ralphie May because of that, I think Bobby Lee.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Well, yeah, you opened up for me too in Florida.

Kim Congdon 1:12 Yeah, you.

Joe Rogan 1:12 When, when that started, I wa- I remember thinking, "What a fun thing he's doing. You know, it's kinda fun."

Kim Congdon 1:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18 You just go do a minute of standup. And it's a nice way for comics to get a chance to like sort of think about comedy too.

Kim Congdon 1:26 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 1:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26 Because you're like, "Why is this guy funny?" Like what is this? Uh, like sometimes people are just funny and it's like weird.

Sara Weinshenk 1:32 Talented.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Like weird manner ... Like Theo Von, right? Try putting that down-

Sara Weinshenk 1:34 So funny.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Put that down on paper.

Kim Congdon 1:36 You can't.

Joe Rogan 1:37 Imagine. Imagine-

Sara Weinshenk 1:37 You could never.

Joe Rogan 1:38 "My cousin got bit by a gay guy."

Kim Congdon 1:40 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 1:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:41 "So, we'll see."

Kim Congdon 1:44 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 1:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:44 (laughs) Like, like write that down.

Kim Congdon 1:45 It's true.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Like if somebody wrote jokes for you, you hired them like, "I'm a really good performer, but I suck at writing jokes."

Kim Congdon 1:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50 "Will you write some jokes for me?" You're like, "Bro, I got you."

Kim Congdon 1:52 Theo Von is like how Trader Joe's makes snacks. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 1:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:57 (laughs) How does Trader Joe's ... I don't know.

Sara Weinshenk 1:58 What do you mean?

Kim Congdon 1:58 It's just like p- uh, it's like, it's like popcorn, but it's also like a chicken salad and you're like, "What?"

Sara Weinshenk 2:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:04 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 2:04 And it, but it works and you're like, "I love this."

Sara Weinshenk 2:06 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 2:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:08 That's hilarious. I didn't know about Trader Joe's snacks.

Kim Congdon 2:10 Oh, Trader Joe's-

Sara Weinshenk 2:10 Oh.

Kim Congdon 2:10 ... they say that the s- the food at Trader Joe's seems like it's Trader Joe's was made by an alien who didn't really fully understand grocery stores.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Oh.

Kim Congdon 2:19 All the food is like really weird. It's just like weird combinations.

Sara Weinshenk 2:22 Yeah, no, they have like this, uh, it's like sweet, sour, salty something popcorn. It's four different experiences. It's a ... They gotta get it streamlined.

Kim Congdon 2:30 It's made by ChatGPT, for sure.

Sara Weinshenk 2:33 Either savory or sweet. Don't mix it all up like that.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Yeah, what are you trying to do to people?

Kim Congdon 2:38 Sick.

Sara Weinshenk 2:38 TJs.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Yeah. I try to eat healthy for the most part, but when we were in, uh, New York this past weekend, we went to the Bronx.

Sara Weinshenk 2:44 I saw that sandwich.

Kim Congdon 2:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:45 Oh my God.

Kim Congdon 2:46 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 2:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:47 We, we ate at this place, G&R Deli. Holy shit.

Sara Weinshenk 2:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:50 It was insane.

Sara Weinshenk 2:51 I saw that sandwich. I sent that sandwich to my mom, and she s- she called me, she said, "The sandwich that Joe Rogan just ate-" (laughs)

Kim Congdon 2:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:57 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 2:58 "... looked amazing."

Joe Rogan 2:59 Tastes-

Sara Weinshenk 2:59 "We gotta go." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:00 Fucking ... We, we drove-

Sara Weinshenk 3:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:02 ... to the Bronx just to go to that place.

Kim Congdon 3:04 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:04 We went, we went like an hour out of our way, 'cause we were staying in Manhattan-

Kim Congdon 3:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:08 ... then we had to drive to the Bronx, and then go from the Bronx to the fights that were in Newark.

Kim Congdon 3:13 Mm.

Joe Rogan 3:13 So we went like (imitates car revving) just to go to that sandwich shop, just 'cause I saw it on, on Instagram.

Kim Congdon 3:19 Yeah, uh, the picture was one of the best I've ever seen. Uh-

Joe Rogan 3:22 It was pretty amazing. I got a spill here, young Jamie. Oh. Yeah, I got it. I got it. But-

Sara Weinshenk 3:27 He's quick.

Joe Rogan 3:28 ... anyway.

Kim Congdon 3:29 Um, yeah, I love, I love to take a ... I'll take a detour for food. I did something really phat the other day. I, uh-

Sara Weinshenk 3:35 Tell us.

Joe Rogan 3:35 You did something phat?

Kim Congdon 3:36 Can we say fat? (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 3:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:37 Yeah, you can.

Kim Congdon 3:38 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 3:38 She means P-H phat. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 3:40 Uh-oh, uh-oh. Sounds like we're in trouble. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 3:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:44 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 3:44 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 3:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:44 Well, did you see that guy got in trouble for just saying something be Lizzo sized?

Kim Congdon 3:48 Uh, no.

Sara Weinshenk 3:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:49 Yeah. Di- didn't that happen, Jamie? Didn't some sportscaster get in trouble? Oh my God, I'm terrible with basketball. I'm fucking crapping out.

Narrator 3:56 Uh, Wilt, uh ... (laughs) been in trouble for a few things recently. Just terrible.

Kim Congdon 4:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:00 Terrible.

Kim Congdon 4:00 I've never made one of those, so to be honest.

Joe Rogan 4:02 Well, high five, excuse me, every now and then you look like a hero.

Kim Congdon 4:03 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 4:04 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:05 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 4:05 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 4:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:05 It's, it's funny like when you miss, but you really miss.

Kim Congdon 4:07 Well, it's different 'cause you can't say Kobe now. It just makes everyone sad.

Joe Rogan 4:10 Yeah, that's true.

Kim Congdon 4:11 And that changes the shot.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Right. Well, when I ... I grew up in Boston. Everybody would say, "Larry Bird."

Kim Congdon 4:15 Really?

Joe Rogan 4:15 Yeah, they would do that.

Sara Weinshenk 4:17 (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 4:17 (laughs)

Narrator 4:17 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 4:17 That's a, that's a chil- that's a longer name to say. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:19 Yeah, but it was like Larry Bird was the fucking man in like 1980.

Kim Congdon 4:22 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 4:24 That's ... Look at that. Get the fuck outta here.

Kim Congdon 4:25 That's sickening. It's so good.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Totally not good for you. Let's just get that outta the way.

Kim Congdon 4:30 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:30 I, I'll do it again-

Kim Congdon 4:31 It doesn't matter.

Joe Rogan 4:32 ... once a week for the rest of my life. (laughs) I think it's just one of those things, you really shouldn't eat like that every day 'cause you won't be able-

Kim Congdon 4:37 No.

Joe Rogan 4:37 ... to stop. First of all, you'll be a full-on addict and you'll be consuming 40 or 50 times more calories than you actually need. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 4:44 What, like do you ... So do you always give yourself a, a break or do you ever go super strict and go like no snacks, nothing good for-

Sara Weinshenk 4:51 Yeah, tell us your regimen.

Joe Rogan 4:52 No, no, no, no, there's n- there's no, no super strict diet.

Kim Congdon 4:55 Everything in moderation.

Joe Rogan 4:56 Yeah, I did one month I did c- the carnivore diet, like very strict for one month to see what it was like. And I lost a lot of fat, but it was boring. I like food. I like f-

Kim Congdon 5:05 And a lot of meat like that.

Joe Rogan 5:07 I like that. I like these people. I like their food, their culture.

Kim Congdon 5:10 Yeah. Yeah, it's an experience.

Joe Rogan 5:12 I like food. Yeah. I like Vietnamese food.

Kim Congdon 5:14 Ah.

Joe Rogan 5:14 I like Thai food.

Kim Congdon 5:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:15 I like food.

Kim Congdon 5:16 Food's the best.

Joe Rogan 5:17 I like ... It's, it's-

Kim Congdon 5:18 It's the-

Joe Rogan 5:18 ... hard.

Kim Congdon 5:18 ... it's almost the best reason to travel is to try the different foods.

Joe Rogan 5:21 It's a, it's a great reason to travel. Like it makes tra ... Like travel is awesome, but travel and then eating people's food, like eating Thai food in Thailand was fucking amazing.

Kim Congdon 5:31 Ugh.

Sara Weinshenk 5:31 We gotta-

Kim Congdon 5:32 Yes.

Sara Weinshenk 5:32 ... go.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Thailand's awesome.

Kim Congdon 5:34 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 5:34 We wanna go.

Joe Rogan 5:35 You guys should go and do some fucking Muay Thai. Let's go.

Kim Congdon 5:37 I know.

Sara Weinshenk 5:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:38 Come on, Kim Congs.

Kim Congdon 5:39 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 5:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:39 I know you can get into that. You're a mean girl.

Kim Congdon 5:41 Oh, no, I, I stopped.

Joe Rogan 5:42 You could fuck a chick up.

Kim Congdon 5:43 (laughs) I got a concussion and I stopped. I got scared. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:45 Yeah?

Sara Weinshenk 5:45 She's in- she's in her soft girl era.

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yeah, that's good. Don't, don't do concussions.

Kim Congdon 5:48 No.

Sara Weinshenk 5:49 She's, she's a soft girl now, Joe.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Did you see Mark Zuckerberg won a gold medal in a Brazilian jiu-jitsu competition?

Sara Weinshenk 5:55 No.

Joe Rogan 5:55 Mark Zuckerberg is a fucking savage.

Sara Weinshenk 5:58 No. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 5:58 Can you imagine?

Joe Rogan 5:58 This dude has been training jiu-jitsu ... This is what he did. He wore a COVID mask and he fucking put a hat on and he hid.

Kim Congdon 6:04 No.

Joe Rogan 6:05 ... and he used an alias.

Sara Weinshenk 6:07 He secretly shrunk me.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Can you imagine? You're right about to compete, and like, maybe your first competition, "Well, I'll just give it a try. I mean, what's the worst thing that could happen?"

Sara Weinshenk 6:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:14 Worst thing that could happen is you get strangled by a super nerd.

Sara Weinshenk 6:16 By Mark-

Joe Rogan 6:16 In front of the whole world.

Sara Weinshenk 6:17 By Mark Zuckerberg?

Joe Rogan 6:18 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 6:18 That's so embarrassing.

Joe Rogan 6:20 He's awesome. I'm very proud of him.

Sara Weinshenk 6:21 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 6:21 I think that's, I think it's amazing. It's amazing that he, he did that. There are a few people who have done that. Mario Lopez did that. Um, uh, what's his name?

Sara Weinshenk 6:28 Ashton Kutcher.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Tom, uh, Bane.

Guest 6:31 (tapping) Tom Hardy.

Joe Rogan 6:33 Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy did that-

Sara Weinshenk 6:34 Hot.

Joe Rogan 6:34 ... a couple times. Hot?

Sara Weinshenk 6:36 Hot. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:36 Undeniable.

Sara Weinshenk 6:37 Wood. Hot.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Undeniable. You see him in Warrior?

Sara Weinshenk 6:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:39 Hot as fuck.

Sara Weinshenk 6:40 Yes. Hot as fuck.

Guest 6:41 You know what? You know, uh, he could be listening to this. I just realized that.

Sara Weinshenk 6:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:45 It's possible.

Guest 6:45 Tom Hardy, nah, I'm not gonna do that, but you know what I mean.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Yeah, yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 6:48 Tom Hardy, you can DM me.

Joe Rogan 6:50 Tom Hardy, you got the green light.

Sara Weinshenk 6:51 (laughs)

Guest 6:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:52 (laughs)

Guest 6:52 I said yes.

Joe Rogan 6:54 Oh.

Sara Weinshenk 6:54 DM me, mommy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:56 Oh. He was awesome in Warrior.

Sara Weinshenk 6:58 Ah.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Like, I bought it. I bought it hook, line, and sinker. There's certain dudes that can just d- be... They become different people. Like, he was a different person in that Venom movie. It's like you believed he was that, like, sort of clumsy character in the Venom movie-

Sara Weinshenk 7:09 He's incredible.

Guest 7:09 He's totally.

Joe Rogan 7:09 ... that gets infected by a, an alien. He's fucking he-... So just to pull that off, you know how hard it is to pull off? You're- you're doing a movie with CGI, there's a CGI alien that comes out of you, a giant spider creature.

Guest 7:20 It's a different place you have to go in your mind at that point.

Joe Rogan 7:23 But he actually pulled it off.

Guest 7:24 And he does it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:25 It was good. See, he's got... Look at that, gold medal.

Sara Weinshenk 7:28 Wow.

Guest 7:28 Wow.

Joe Rogan 7:29 Dude's fucking jacked and-

Sara Weinshenk 7:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 7:31 ... strangling fools.

Sara Weinshenk 7:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:31 He's a blue belt.

Sara Weinshenk 7:32 We're- we're both just saying wow in unison.

Guest 7:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:34 Let me tell you something about blue belts, too, that's like... By the time you get to blue belt, you're dealing with people that know how to submit people.

Guest 7:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:41 It's just whether or not they can keep it together smoothly, and there's various levels of that. And when you get to tournaments, you get like a lot of the lev- levels are like, the guys who really should be a purple belt. They're like, they're, they're really purple belt level. Like some, some instructors are stingy.

Guest 7:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:54 So for him to win blue belt, it's very possible he had, like, real skilled opposition. You know, not like black belt opposition, but they know how to do shit.

Sara Weinshenk 8:03 For sure.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Look at Zuckerberg, strangling bitches. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 8:06 Actually, that's pretty hot. Zuckerberg, if you're listening...

Guest 8:09 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 8:10 ... my DMs are open. Uh.

Joe Rogan 8:13 He knows your DMs are open.

Sara Weinshenk 8:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:14 He can just fucking read them.

Guest 8:16 He's in them.

Sara Weinshenk 8:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:17 He doesn't even need the FBI.

Guest 8:19 He already heard us. He already heard us.

Sara Weinshenk 8:21 (laughs)

Guest 8:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:21 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 8:21 And this hasn't aired.

Guest 8:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:23 Your, your, your fucking phone is lighting up. Every time his name gets mentioned-

Sara Weinshenk 8:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:27 ... it goes into a file.

Guest 8:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:30 I'm super... Uh, I'm, I, I think that's amazing.

Sara Weinshenk 8:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:33 I love when people, like, just... He doesn't have to do anything. He's one of the richest people on Earth.

Sara Weinshenk 8:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:38 And he just takes a chance and tries to get good at this thing, and then goes and competes in this thing.

Guest 8:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:43 We should all celebrate that.

Sara Weinshenk 8:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:44 That's a- that's amazing.

Guest 8:45 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 8:45 But that's probably why he's one of the richest guys on Earth 'cause he just goes for it, commits. He's focused, he's streamlined-

Joe Rogan 8:51 Dude, you should be like an Instagram motivational speaker.

Guest 8:53 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 8:53 I will.

Joe Rogan 8:54 I feel like what you just said right there-

Sara Weinshenk 8:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:56 ... will stir nations.

Sara Weinshenk 8:58 (laughs)

Guest 8:58 Wake up.

Joe Rogan 8:59 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 8:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:59 He just goes for it.

Sara Weinshenk 9:01 (laughs)

Guest 9:01 He commits.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing, you just gotta be that kinda person. Some people just, that's their big problem.

Guest 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 They don't know what to go for.

Sara Weinshenk 9:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:10 You know? So they kinda get stalled in the parking lot, like, "Which direction? Where do I go?"

Sara Weinshenk 9:14 'Cause they don't have me giving them motivational speeches.

Guest 9:17 Yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 9:17 Ah, motivation by Shane.

Sara Weinshenk 9:17 You need a little shanky in your ear.

Guest 9:19 Shanky in your ear. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 9:21 (laughs)

Guest 9:21 I, okay, I like something besides shanky in your ear, though.

Joe Rogan 9:25 I like shanky in your ear.

Sara Weinshenk 9:27 Shanky in your ear?

Guest 9:27 Get shanked.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Actually, that's a great name for a podcast.

Sara Weinshenk 9:30 Shanky and Your Ear? (laughs)

Guest 9:32 Shanky and Your Ear?

Joe Rogan 9:32 Yeah. It's good, right?

Sara Weinshenk 9:34 (laughs)

Guest 9:34 It does make me laugh.

Joe Rogan 9:35 It's got a catchy ring to it.

Sara Weinshenk 9:37 Yeah.

Guest 9:37 Shanky and Your Ear.

Joe Rogan 9:38 Yeah, if you ever wanna do a fucking solo spinoff, and then we gotta do the King, Kim K-... You remember when Kiss did a spinoff?

Guest 9:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Kiss had like... I don't know if you remember this. Do you remember this?

Guest 9:48 That they did a show?

Joe Rogan 9:49 No.

Guest 9:49 Oh.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Kiss, Kiss the band, at one point in time-

Guest 9:50 Yeah, I thought they did a reality show.

Joe Rogan 9:52 ... they all re-... Oh, I'm sure they did that, too.

Sara Weinshenk 9:53 They did.

Joe Rogan 9:54 But they all released their own albums. Like, Peter Criss had his solo album.

Sara Weinshenk 9:57 Yeah, yeah.

Guest 9:58 Oh.

Joe Rogan 9:58 Paul Stanley had his solo album.

Guest 10:00 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Gene Simmons had his solo album. Ace Frehley had his solo album. And they all just sorta competed with each other's song-

Guest 10:05 Do you want us to break up?

Sara Weinshenk 10:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:06 I'm not saying that.

Guest 10:07 He said-

Joe Rogan 10:08 I'm saying if we have-

Sara Weinshenk 10:08 Think about it, though.

Guest 10:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:09 ... if we have shanky in your ear-

Sara Weinshenk 10:11 (laughs)

Guest 10:11 He's going, he's saying shanky in your ear-

Joe Rogan 10:13 If you guys do-

Guest 10:13 ... is Beyonce and I'm Michelle. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:14 ... you do your podcast together and then you get another one on the side.

Sara Weinshenk 10:18 I have Shank.

Guest 10:19 Yeah, she has a podcast.

Sara Weinshenk 10:20 It's called Shank.

Guest 10:20 Shank. We just-

Joe Rogan 10:21 It's called Shank?

Guest 10:22 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 10:22 Yeah, just Shank.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Why not Shanky and Your Ear?

Sara Weinshenk 10:24 I guess I could rebrand. (laughs)

Guest 10:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:28 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 10:28 Actually, Rogan and I had a conversation, the podcast is Shanky and Your Ear now. (laughs)

Guest 10:33 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 10:33 Everyone is-

Joe Rogan 10:33 People who like it now are mad. Shut up.

Guest 10:36 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 10:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:36 Shut up. That's terrible advice. It is terrible advice.

Guest 10:38 Oh.

Sara Weinshenk 10:38 Shanky and Your Ear.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Don't listen to me. It's funny for now.

Guest 10:40 I need to start-

Sara Weinshenk 10:41 It's so funny.

Guest 10:41 ... my own podcast, but.

Joe Rogan 10:42 But like, Your Mom's House, like names like that, they just stick.

Sara Weinshenk 10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:46 You know?

Sara Weinshenk 10:46 Yeah.

Guest 10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:47 There's certain good names, like, like Call Her Daddy. It's a great name.

Guest 10:51 It's so good.

Sara Weinshenk 10:51 We love the, our name, but it took us a second.

Guest 10:54 Oh, we had an issue at first.

Sara Weinshenk 10:55 We had an issue.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Oh.

Guest 10:56 We had a bad podcast name, and we kept having to say it, and it was-

Sara Weinshenk 10:59 And we would get embarrassed.

Guest 11:00 ... bad. It was bad.

Joe Rogan 11:03 What was it?

Sara Weinshenk 11:04 You say it, Kim. (laughs)

Guest 11:07 Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh.

Sara Weinshenk 11:08 I'll tell.

Joe Rogan 11:09 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 11:10 I'll say it. I'll say it.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Go ahead and say it.

Sara Weinshenk 11:10 I'll say it.

Guest 11:10 Don't, wait, I want to take my ears off.

Joe Rogan 11:13 Say it.

Sara Weinshenk 11:13 Sticky Kimmy and Shank. (laughs)

Guest 11:17 Okay, can we move on?

Joe Rogan 11:18 That's not that bad.

Guest 11:18 That's horrible.

Joe Rogan 11:19 We thought it was gonna be horrible.

Sara Weinshenk 11:20 Okay...

Guest 11:20 And then-

Joe Rogan 11:21 Ja- Jamie?

Guest 11:21 I'm not listening.

Sara Weinshenk 11:22 (laughs)

Guest 11:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:22 It's not the worst.

Guest 11:23 Jamie, how bad is it?

Joe Rogan 11:24 You don't have to be listening.

Sara Weinshenk 11:25 But now, but now it's this bitch.

Guest 11:26 I've done a much better job. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 11:27 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 11:28 But now it's this bitch, and that's so much better.

Joe Rogan 11:30 This bitch is perfect.

Kim Congdon 11:31 Well, that's what we say to each other all the time.

Joe Rogan 11:32 This bitch.

Kim Congdon 11:33 This bitch.

Sara Weinshenk 11:33 This bitch.

Joe Rogan 11:33 I love saying that. I love saying this bitch.

Sara Weinshenk 11:36 Yeah, this is fun.

Joe Rogan 11:36 This bitch is one of the most fun things to say, like this bitch.

Sara Weinshenk 11:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 11:39 This bitch.

Joe Rogan 11:39 Say it to your friends when they say something's nuts.

Sara Weinshenk 11:41 Yeah, right.

Kim Congdon 11:41 It is. It is.

Joe Rogan 11:42 You know how many times I said that to Tony Hitchcock?

Sara Weinshenk 11:43 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 11:43 We gotta get, we gotta get Joe our tote bag.

Sara Weinshenk 11:46 Oh.

Kim Congdon 11:46 We got a this bitch tote bag.

Joe Rogan 11:47 Oh, please get me one of those. I'll wear it.

Sara Weinshenk 11:48 And a sweatshirt.

Kim Congdon 11:49 We gotta get you a this bitch sweatshirt.

Joe Rogan 11:50 I'll wear that shit. I'll wear that shit.

Sara Weinshenk 11:51 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 11:51 This bitch.

Sara Weinshenk 11:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:52 I will 100% wear that shit.

Kim Congdon 11:54 It's, we say it all the time.

Joe Rogan 11:56 Yeah, it's a great thing to say.

Kim Congdon 11:57 Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're-

Joe Rogan 11:58 It's a great thing to say.

Kim Congdon 11:59 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 11:59 Yeah, and we get on each other's nerves, so we'll be like, "This bitch." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:02 It's kind of amazing actually that nobody else had a podcast called This Bitch.

Kim Congdon 12:05 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 12:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:06 Wow, you guys caught that.

Kim Congdon 12:07 Mm-hmm.

Sara Weinshenk 12:08 We caught it.

Joe Rogan 12:08 That's a good one to catch.

Kim Congdon 12:09 Well, after we had to say Thiccy, Kimmy, and Shank four times. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 12:12 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:13 It started haunting us like Bloody Mary.

Sara Weinshenk 12:16 We're like talking to people-

Kim Congdon 12:17 We had to like, we were like, "We're not doing one more ounce of work till we rename this podcast." (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 12:21 Yes. And then, and it was bad. We were like talking to sponsors and they're like, "Okay, so what's the name?" I'm like, "Um."

Joe Rogan 12:26 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 12:27 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 12:27 You say it. We didn't know exactly what we did here. We were like, "Uh, you tell 'em." (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 12:31 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 12:31 There's been so many embarrassing things that we've done throughout the years.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Of course. But that's the beautiful thing is that you can learn on the air.

Kim Congdon 12:38 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 12:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 You know? Like, that, it gives people a chance to get good at something that wouldn't have got the chance. So if you were gonna host a show on CBS or NBC, they'll give you a little bit of time.

Sara Weinshenk 12:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Like, you know, "Sarah's the next big thing. We're gonna give her The Sarah Show."

Sara Weinshenk 12:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:50 And, "Hi, everybody," like Ellen. You'd be like Sarah.

Kim Congdon 12:52 Yeah, yeah, right.

Sara Weinshenk 12:52 Yeah. Whoa. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:53 And they'll give you a chance. They might give a- a- a- an upcoming talent. But if it doesn't go well at first and they lose sponsors or the ratings dip, "We're gonna cut."

Kim Congdon 13:02 Quick. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:02 "What else we got? Oh, God. Dancing for dollars." Whatever the fuck they could put on there that's gonna make money.

Kim Congdon 13:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:07 But when, with the internet, you can sort of fuck around and find your thing, find your voice.

Kim Congdon 13:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:13 And it's amazing-

Kim Congdon 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 ... because the barrier to entry is pretty fucking small, like in comparison. Like they have fucking studios and camera trucks and fucking lighting and truss in this and grips and everything. It's like every show that gets made by Hollywood, it's so much money just to put it on.

Kim Congdon 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 But you can just do it and get better at it.

Kim Congdon 13:33 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 13:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:34 It's amazing.

Kim Congdon 13:35 It is. It really is. It's true.

Sara Weinshenk 13:36 Even like during the pandemic, I would just be talking by myself in the room.

Kim Congdon 13:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:40 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 13:41 I'm like, "If I was gonna have a threesome," by myself 'cause I was a f- 'cause we didn't know if we could hang out with people.

Joe Rogan 13:45 Well, the good news is Alexa was listening.

Kim Congdon 13:47 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 13:47 So... (laughs)

Kim Congdon 13:48 And your boyfriend, Mark.

Sara Weinshenk 13:49 Oh, yeah. My boyfriend, Mark, oh, hears everything.

Kim Congdon 13:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:53 So you were talking to yourself with him in the same...

Sara Weinshenk 13:56 About-

Joe Rogan 13:56 ... place?

Sara Weinshenk 13:56 I was talking to myself, uh, uh, like just trying to buy up time on a 45-minute solo pod.

Kim Congdon 14:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:03 Oh. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 14:04 And, uh, I started talking about cartoon threesomes.

Kim Congdon 14:07 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 14:07 'Cause I'm straight out of content.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Ugh.

Sara Weinshenk 14:08 I'm like, "Okay, Betty Boop would."

Kim Congdon 14:11 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 14:11 Uh, Felix the Cat...

Joe Rogan 14:13 I think that's a, a particularly unique muscle that like Bill Burr has and Tim Dillon has.

Sara Weinshenk 14:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 14:19 And Giannis Popis has. There's people that can just rant about a subject-

Sara Weinshenk 14:24 And go on, really good at that.

Joe Rogan 14:26 ... just by themselves solo.

Sara Weinshenk 14:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:27 That's hard to do.

Sara Weinshenk 14:28 Yeah. No, and you know what? It makes your standup so much better, and it makes your podcasting better if you could just talk by yourself. It makes you feel mentally ill as fuck.

Kim Congdon 14:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:37 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 14:37 When you're done-

Joe Rogan 14:38 Ah!

Sara Weinshenk 14:39 ... you don't even recognize yourself.

Kim Congdon 14:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:41 Oh my God. That's so funny.

Sara Weinshenk 14:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:44 That's so funny.

Kim Congdon 14:45 Yeah. The- the pandemic was, uh... a moment.

Sara Weinshenk 14:50 Oh, yeah. Yeah, Kim lived another life.

Kim Congdon 14:52 The Zoom, the Zoom shows, I left. I went to Florida and partied. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:54 Zoom shows were wild.

Kim Congdon 14:56 The Zoom shows.

Joe Rogan 14:57 They were like, "Why didn't anybody tell you not to do that?"

Sara Weinshenk 15:00 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 15:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:01 Don't do that. Don't do that.

Sara Weinshenk 15:02 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 15:02 Don't do-

Sara Weinshenk 15:02 No, I didn't do one Zoom show.

Joe Rogan 15:04 Geez.

Sara Weinshenk 15:04 I did one Zoom show, and, um, I think about it every now and then. It haunts me.

Kim Congdon 15:09 It was like, I was just like, "Why are we doing this?" This is, it's too much.

Joe Rogan 15:13 It's too weird.

Kim Congdon 15:13 If we're all stuck, we're, let's not do standup then for a little bit. How about that?

Joe Rogan 15:17 But it was such junkies though.

Sara Weinshenk 15:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:19 You know what the weirdest thing was?

Kim Congdon 15:21 What?

Joe Rogan 15:21 Late night talk shows where they're doing it from their webcam. With like-

Kim Congdon 15:23 Oh, and nobody was laughing?

Joe Rogan 15:25 No one was laughing.

Sara Weinshenk 15:26 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 15:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:26 It's so nuts.

Kim Congdon 15:27 I was like, "Why are we watching this?"

Joe Rogan 15:29 It's like someone practicing new jokes. It's like if you had a friend who wanted to just, "Hey, wanna run some ideas by you?"

Sara Weinshenk 15:34 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:35 And s- I would let them.

Sara Weinshenk 15:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:36 You wouldn't do that for your friend?

Sara Weinshenk 15:37 If it was my friend.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Yeah, a comic friend.

Sara Weinshenk 15:39 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:39 They go like, "Listen, this is just a, an exercise-"

Sara Weinshenk 15:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 "... I'm trying to do. I wrote these premises down, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna say."

Kim Congdon 15:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 That was what it was like.

Sara Weinshenk 15:45 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 15:45 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:46 It's like, "What happens if Walmart closes all their stores in San Francisco?"

Kim Congdon 15:50 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 15:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:50 "Does that fucking..." (babbles)

Kim Congdon 15:52 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 15:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:54 And you'd be like, "That one sucks."

Kim Congdon 15:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:55 You know, and we could just go over them.

Kim Congdon 15:57 My apples taste like Clorox. It's like stop wiping your groceries with bleach.

Sara Weinshenk 16:02 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 16:03 This is fucking sad. It was a sad time. I got-

Joe Rogan 16:06 Yeah, it was a weird time, right?

Kim Congdon 16:06 Well, but you know what? I actually really enjoyed, um, staying home and just like me and my sister like started baking, and we bought sh- we bought a bow and arrow.

Joe Rogan 16:18 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 16:18 And then she almost killed a bird, and we never did it again.

Sara Weinshenk 16:21 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 16:21 She fucking, she, we were, she just pulled out, she was like, she's like a prodigy. She just pulled it out. We just put it together. We're like figuring it out. It's like going in the ground for me. She, she like shoots it once, almost gets it right in the middle. She's like, "Oh, okay." She pulls it out. We see a bird. As a joke, I go, "Kill it." And she goes... and clips its wing.

Sara Weinshenk 16:39 No. No.

Kim Congdon 16:40 And a feather flies off, and it keeps going. And we both were like, "Oh." And then we just put it down, and we were like, "We're gonna go inside." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:47 Maybe you're like a natural born archer. Maybe this is like a movie.

Kim Congdon 16:51 Not maybe.

Sara Weinshenk 16:51 I wish.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Like, you just give her the bow, and they're like, "Oh my God. How long have you done this for?"

Kim Congdon 16:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:55 Like, "That's actually the third time I ever did it."

Sara Weinshenk 16:57 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 16:57 That's, that's what I look like. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:00 And then they just go, "Oh my God, she's a natural." It's like Paul Newman in that movie about baseball.

Kim Congdon 17:04 She's-

Sara Weinshenk 17:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:04 She's-

Kim Congdon 17:04 She's the Rain Man of archery. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:06 Yes. Imagine.

Sara Weinshenk 17:07 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:07 It's just like you just have a natural gift. "Oh yeah, I don't know if I can fucking do this."

Kim Congdon 17:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:11 Like in another life, you were an archer.

Sara Weinshenk 17:12 Dude, that's so cool. I, during the pandemic, I got a mini trampoline.

Kim Congdon 17:17 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 17:17 I was just bouncing at my parents' house in their backyard.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Whoa.

Kim Congdon 17:21 It's a lot. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 17:21 I was like, "I'm gonna live stream on the trampoline."

Joe Rogan 17:24 Geez.

Sara Weinshenk 17:24 "I'm gonna live stream and hula hoop. I'm gonna... Just trying to keep myself busy." It's very mentally ill to be live streaming and hula hooping.

Joe Rogan 17:32 (exhales) It was tough on everyone.

Sara Weinshenk 17:34 (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 17:36 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 It was a tough time.

Kim Congdon 17:37 It was tough. I wasn't alive watching.

Sara Weinshenk 17:38 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 17:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:40 Tough, tough, tough as a country. There were some moments where I didn't know if I was ever gonna do standup again.

Kim Congdon 17:45 Me too.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Where in the beginning, in the early days, when we were done- we hadn't done it for months, I was like-

Kim Congdon 17:49 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:49 ... "Maybe this is it. Maybe this is the new world. Maybe standup is gone." 'Cause, you know, that back then, you didn't really know, like, how deadly is this gonna be?

Kim Congdon 17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:57 You know, everybody was really worried that it was gonna get worse.

Kim Congdon 17:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:00 There was a lot of weirdness going on. You know, it was like-

Kim Congdon 18:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:02 ... there was people that had it and nothing happened to them, people that had it and got fucked up, and you're like, "What is this?" Like, standup's not worth it. Let's not do standup. Like, I remember I, I canceled, like, one of the last shows. I think it was, like, The Improv. We, we, we were supposed to do a show at The Improv, like, the day The Comedy Store was shutting down, the day everything was shutting down. I was like, "Maybe we shouldn't do this." I was like, "This feels like if we're gonna shut down tomorrow, why are we d- why are we open tonight?" Like, is this... What's happening?"

Kim Congdon 18:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 18:27 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 18:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Are we in danger? Like, if we go out, is this fucking stupid?

Kim Congdon 18:30 Yeah. There's something about comedy and comics where, like, they fucking need it.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 18:36 They fucking... They're like, "Just one last one before we go." (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 18:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:39 "One last one before we die."

Sara Weinshenk 18:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 18:41 I don't, I don't know. I, I s- sort of f- I don't really feel that way. I love standup. It's my favorite thing in the world to do, but I didn't feel like I was needed.

Sara Weinshenk 18:49 I did window sets.

Kim Congdon 18:51 I, I did window sets. I-

Sara Weinshenk 18:52 At The Comedy Store in the window.

Kim Congdon 18:53 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 18:54 Like, like a little sad dog at a pet shop.

Kim Congdon 18:55 I looked like a whore in the window.

Sara Weinshenk 18:56 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 18:56 People were throwing money at the window.

Sara Weinshenk 18:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:58 It took me a good solid two and a half years to not freak out when someone sneezes.

Kim Congdon 19:04 Oh.

Sara Weinshenk 19:04 Oh.

Kim Congdon 19:05 Yeah, I'm still sensitive about it.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Now, now if someone coughs and sneezes you're like, "Eh."

Kim Congdon 19:09 No, now people still look.

Sara Weinshenk 19:10 What about-

Kim Congdon 19:10 If someone coughs, the whole room looks up.

Sara Weinshenk 19:12 What about the nasal one?

Kim Congdon 19:12 And that used to not happen.

Joe Rogan 19:13 But it's not... That's not the... It's not the same look up, like we're all in danger.

Kim Congdon 19:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:18 Dude, I was on a elevator with a guy who was coughing in Vegas, in the heart of it. This guy was... This old dude was coughing and it was like, Jesus Christ. I'm holding my breath on the elevator.

Kim Congdon 19:27 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 19:27 As like an exercise. I'm like, "How long can I hold my breath?" (breathes deeply)

Kim Congdon 19:31 That's how I used to do at school when I was younger.

Joe Rogan 19:33 You just hold your breath as long as you could? (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 19:35 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 19:35 I would... Instead of paying attention, I would just watch the clock and try to beat my last record.

Joe Rogan 19:39 Oh.

Sara Weinshenk 19:40 During the pandemic, did you see Jamar? Jamar had on, like, big goggles and he was... He went to the CVS-

Kim Congdon 19:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:47 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 19:47 ... and he got kicked out of the CVS 'cause he had on, like, snorkel, snorkeling gear.

Kim Congdon 19:52 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 19:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:52 How come you can't do that? I think you can do that.

Kim Congdon 19:55 I mean-

Joe Rogan 19:55 You know, you know what someone told me?

Sara Weinshenk 19:56 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 19:56 That's so funny.

Joe Rogan 19:58 Someone told me...

Kim Congdon 19:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:59 ... that you can, you catch respiratory viruses from your eyeballs. Is that true?

Kim Congdon 20:04 Ugh. I don't know, but you know what someone told me? They got st- uh, that their grandpa got stung in the eye by a bee and it cured his diabetes.

Sara Weinshenk 20:13 What? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:14 That sounds like some folklore. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 20:16 No. What are you talking about?

Kim Congdon 20:18 No, I'm thinking about-

Joe Rogan 20:18 That's, that's some fucking Appalachia-

Kim Congdon 20:19 Beekeepers, beekeepers live longer than, like, the average person.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Oh.

Kim Congdon 20:22 Because they get stung and stuff and it's interesting.

Sara Weinshenk 20:23 Where did you learn this?

Kim Congdon 20:24 And if you have Lyme disease, there's people that take bees and they put it into their s- into their backs and it helps all their symptoms.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Interesting.

Kim Congdon 20:30 There's something about bee stings.

Joe Rogan 20:33 I have heard people getting a positive benefit from bee stings, but I k-... I think it was arthritis.

Kim Congdon 20:37 Don't come for me, big pharma.

Sara Weinshenk 20:39 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 20:39 They cut my throat 'cause I talked about the bees. I keep forgetting that there's a... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:44 I'm watching this, um, this new Netflix thing called, uh... What is it? Chimp Empire? Is that what it's called?

Narrator 20:50 Uh, just before we get too far into viral, infection of lungs through the eyes is a thing, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:54 Oh, can you? You can? "Pathogens that are known agents of ocular infections, such as HSV." Wow.

Kim Congdon 21:00 What's HSV?

Joe Rogan 21:01 "Often cause severely impaid- impaired vision and blindness." Vi- viral infection of the lungs through the eye. Holy fuck.

Sara Weinshenk 21:09 I'm gonna start wearing goggles.

Joe Rogan 21:11 So in that case, like, they should've left Jamar alone 'cause he was doing the smart thing.

Sara Weinshenk 21:15 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Kim Congdon 21:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:16 He's wearing goggles to avoid fucking evil shit. And you can keep your eyes covered.

Kim Congdon 21:20 I bet there's some sort of-

Joe Rogan 21:22 Thank God.

Kim Congdon 21:22 ... paperwork that says that there, the people with glasses get less viral infections than other people.

Joe Rogan 21:28 I bet... Do you see... Uh, my favorite was the people with the shield.

Kim Congdon 21:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 21:31 But then you could, like, reach under the shield and be like, "Hey buddy."

Sara Weinshenk 21:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:35 It's like a cat hiding under the bed with their tails out there.

Sara Weinshenk 21:38 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 21:38 My fa-

Joe Rogan 21:39 Like, what are you doing? This is stupid.

Kim Congdon 21:39 My favorite video was just someone going outside with a mask on in the winter and blowing, and it was just all the air you could see with the mask on still going ev-

Sara Weinshenk 21:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:48 Sorry. Sorry.

Kim Congdon 21:48 You could see exactly where a breath would go.

Joe Rogan 21:51 It's so stupid.

Sara Weinshenk 21:51 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 21:51 And it was just everywhere and muffled. It was...

Joe Rogan 21:54 Hmm. It's so, it's so weird. It's so weird that we went through that for that long.

Kim Congdon 21:58 Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:59 But we learned along the way. See, like, nobody knew, like, why doesn't the mask work? Like, in the beginning it seems like a smart thing to do, and plus it makes people feel better, like, that you're doing the right thing. We're do-... We're all just trying to be safe. But it- it- at a certain point in time, most people should've figured out that doesn't really work.

Kim Congdon 22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Like, you can't have a bandana on and stop a fucking deadly virus.

Sara Weinshenk 22:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:21 You can't have a face shield on. Leave alone face shields.

Sara Weinshenk 22:24 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Like, where does go... Where is that air coming from, bitch? What-

Sara Weinshenk 22:27 (laughs) Face shield.

Joe Rogan 22:28 Are you cr-... You don't even have a filter on your face.

Sara Weinshenk 22:30 The face shield was rough.

Joe Rogan 22:32 It was weird.

Sara Weinshenk 22:33 And when, when I saw someone with a face shield, I didn't know what to make of them.

Kim Congdon 22:37 It-

Sara Weinshenk 22:37 The first face shield I saw in the wild, I was like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 22:40 Reggie Watts had this hilarious, uh, getup that, uh... We ordered a couple of them.

Narrator 22:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:45 These fucking things. It was a space helmet, and you put a space helmet on-

Sara Weinshenk 22:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:49 ... and you cinch it up to your neck and it's got, like, filters inside and everything in it. It cools you off too.

Sara Weinshenk 22:54 What? Like a fan?

Joe Rogan 22:55 Yeah, yeah. So there's, like, a little fan in there.

Sara Weinshenk 22:57 That, I like that.

Joe Rogan 22:57 Pretty sure there's a fan.

Sara Weinshenk 22:58 I'm into that.

Joe Rogan 22:58 Isn't there a fan in there?

Sara Weinshenk 22:59 (laughs) You know, I don't... I will say-

Joe Rogan 23:01 Yeah, there's a fan in there. Yeah, here's Reggie. Look at this.

Narrator 23:04 So it's a mask. You know, like-

Joe Rogan 23:07 Reggie was traveling on airplanes with this.

Narrator 23:09 ... it's like a chemical or something like this.

Sara Weinshenk 23:10 No.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Yes.

Sara Weinshenk 23:10 Well, I would like that, 'cause I do feel like airplanes make you really sick.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Well, if there really was an issue, like a real serious issue, then here's a question. Like, if there's some fucking evil alien virus, there's no known cure-

Sara Weinshenk 23:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:23 ... are you gonna walk around-

Sara Weinshenk 23:25 Live like that?

Joe Rogan 23:25 ... with that on?

Sara Weinshenk 23:26 No, I'm going outside- Maybe.

Joe Rogan 23:28 ... and I'm going. (breathes deeply)

Sara Weinshenk 23:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:28 You can just take it in?

Sara Weinshenk 23:29 I'm going.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Go. Just go with it.

Kim Congdon 23:30 I'm actually gonna rhinestone mine.

Sara Weinshenk 23:33 Yeah, yeah.

Kim Congdon 23:33 I get that and I glitter it up.

Joe Rogan 23:35 All right. Like a, like a hot girl on a motorcycle.

Sara Weinshenk 23:37 (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 23:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 23:37 I make it my own. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah, I get it. I get it.

Kim Congdon 23:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:42 ... yeah.

Kim Congdon 23:43 Uh, no, I don't know. It's just, like, who knows?

Joe Rogan 23:46 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 23:46 I pa- I was nervous when it happened, but now if something happens again, I won't take it seriously.

Joe Rogan 23:51 I wonder what's gonna hap-

Kim Congdon 23:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:52 Yeah, uh, did- did they cry wolf?

Sara Weinshenk 23:54 Yeah, they cried wolf on my ass, so.

Joe Rogan 23:56 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Kim Congdon 23:58 Um, (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:58 But nobody knew in the beginning, right? That's the thing. Like, everybody always wants to point to, like, "This person's got it wrong or that per-" but nobody fucking knew in the beginning.

Sara Weinshenk 24:07 The thing is-

Joe Rogan 24:07 In the beginning, there was so much, l- like, guesswork.

Kim Congdon 24:10 There's always a threat. If it's not that, it's climate change. If it's not climate change, it's homicides. If it's not homicides, it's something else. There's always a worry.

Joe Rogan 24:20 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 24:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:21 It's never gonna be perfect.

Kim Congdon 24:22 I saw, I saw the nicest sticker the other day on a gas station, the grossest gas station ever. I was terrified. And when I got out, this, it was just a sticker. It said, "Think of something beautiful." And I was like, "That's kind of the nicest sticker I've ever seen." It's not corny and-

Joe Rogan 24:34 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 24:34 ... it is really nice, and it kinda helps.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Aww.

Kim Congdon 24:37 Isn't that sweet?

Sara Weinshenk 24:38 Aww. She's in her soft girl era.

Kim Congdon 24:39 I told you.

Sara Weinshenk 24:40 I think the mushrooms are kicking in. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:42 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 24:42 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 24:42 You know what I hate? I hate when Kim takes mushrooms because then she won't let me talk shit about guys.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Oh.

Sara Weinshenk 24:48 She'll be like, "He's just a man."

Kim Congdon 24:50 I, oh, yeah, she'll-

Sara Weinshenk 24:51 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 24:51 ... call me and I'll be like, "Well, maybe he went through something." (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 24:54 And I'll be like, "Oh, you're on mushrooms." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:57 Ugh.

Kim Congdon 24:57 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 24:58 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 24:58 It stops the gossip for me.

Sara Weinshenk 24:58 "We're all just people." And I go, "Okay, yeah, that's true."

Joe Rogan 25:02 It is true. If every, imagine if everybody was on mushrooms and that was just, like, the prevalent attitude.

Sara Weinshenk 25:07 Yeah. You, you wouldn't care if you've been wronged 'cause-

Joe Rogan 25:11 Isn't it crazy that if it, like, as a mass experiment, like, if everybody just took a dose, just a minor dose.

Sara Weinshenk 25:18 Can I have some more?

Joe Rogan 25:18 A minor dose. What do you want? That stuff?

Kim Congdon 25:20 (clears throat) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:21 Don't say what that is on the air.

Kim Congdon 25:22 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Put that away.

Sara Weinshenk 25:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Jesus Christ. Gonna get us all in trouble.

Kim Congdon 25:25 No, it's nothing.

Joe Rogan 25:26 If, if there was, like, legal psilocybin-

Kim Congdon 25:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:29 ... and it was regulated so you knew what it was-

Kim Congdon 25:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:31 ... or there's, it's tested, safe doses.

Kim Congdon 25:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 And everybody decided to take it all at once, everybody, the whole country. When it-

Sara Weinshenk 25:40 That would be beautiful.

Joe Rogan 25:40 You know what would happen?

Kim Congdon 25:41 Uh.

Joe Rogan 25:42 A bunch of dudes who are criminals would say they're gonna take it. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 25:45 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 25:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:45 And then they'd, wait, rob everybody while they're on mushrooms.

Kim Congdon 25:47 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 25:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:47 It'd be a, it'd be the worst case-

Kim Congdon 25:49 Oh.

Joe Rogan 25:50 ... of love doesn't find a way.

Sara Weinshenk 25:51 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 25:51 It's a great movie.

Joe Rogan 25:52 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 25:52 They convince everyone about world peace-

Joe Rogan 25:54 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 25:54 ... but it's actually just a trick.

Joe Rogan 25:56 And they just rob everybody blind. They break into the stock exchange-

Kim Congdon 25:59 No.

Joe Rogan 25:59 ... and fucking clean out all the Bitcoin.

Sara Weinshenk 26:01 Damn.

Kim Congdon 26:01 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 26:01 And it's just, like, the worst trip ever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:03 Yeah, it's like a Guy, it sounds like a Guy Ritchie movie.

Kim Congdon 26:06 It's great. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 26:07 Oh, cool.

Kim Congdon 26:08 I'm watching.

Sara Weinshenk 26:08 Cut that out. Keep it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:10 So, maybe not all at once, but if it was available to everybody and they realized the benefits, especially, like, of microdoses, just perspective-enhancing benefits.

Kim Congdon 26:18 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 26:19 Get this, it f- it helps so many fucking soldiers, so many guys who get back and-

Sara Weinshenk 26:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:24 ... who experience combat.

Sara Weinshenk 26:25 PTSD.

Joe Rogan 26:25 Th- they're all fucking wracked by all sorts of emotions and thoughts and l- lost friends. And that and MDMA seems to really help those guys.

Kim Congdon 26:34 I was just gonna say, I had a roommate in LA who did MDMA. She did, like, a weekend camp therapy-

Joe Rogan 26:39 Mm-hmm.

Kim Congdon 26:40 ... with only children of childhood trauma, and she came back like a different person.

Joe Rogan 26:45 Wow.

Sara Weinshenk 26:46 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 26:47 'Cause she was, she said it literally changed her life.

Kim Congdon 26:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:49 Well, they know that it's, you know, whatever it does, that, that experience of letting go of all your inhibitions and, and, and-

Kim Congdon 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:58 ... uh, it, it, it, for some people, it can sort of just reset the way you see the world.

Kim Congdon 27:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:04 So, for soldiers, for so many people that have experienced violence, like, that is so important for them. Like, then why can't, why won't, why don't we make that available? That could literally help the world and through MAPS. You know, MAPS is doing those studies with, with soldiers and they're all very promising. It's very interesting stuff. But they're doing it the right way and they're doing it, you know-

Kim Congdon 27:25 I love that.

Joe Rogan 27:26 ... through politics and, yeah.

Kim Congdon 27:27 Because, Joe, then we can't gossip.

Sara Weinshenk 27:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:31 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 27:31 They need us to gossip. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 27:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:34 Gossip's fun too.

Kim Congdon 27:34 That's how they control us.

Sara Weinshenk 27:35 Gossip.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Gossip's fun too.

Sara Weinshenk 27:37 When I did MDMA, I fell in love with the PE teacher for 24 hours, so.

Joe Rogan 27:42 Wow, 24 hours?

Sara Weinshenk 27:43 24 hours, I go, "This PE teacher is the man for me." (laughs)

Kim Congdon 27:45 That's about how long you fall in love with a PE teacher.

Sara Weinshenk 27:47 Yeah, when you sober up-

Kim Congdon 27:48 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 27:48 ... you go, "Maybe it wasn't love."

Joe Rogan 27:50 What would the world be like if y- you know, I mean, think about how many people that are on various medications. What would the world be like if they just came up with something and called it, like, Calm and it was a microdose MDMA that everybody took all day long?

Kim Congdon 28:05 Mm.

Sara Weinshenk 28:06 Wow.

Joe Rogan 28:07 So, everybody is, like, almost like they're tripping, almost like they're rolling all day long.

Kim Congdon 28:14 Microdosing.

Joe Rogan 28:14 And everyone's nice to everyone. Everyone's lovely. Everyone's friendly. Everyone-

Sara Weinshenk 28:17 People are giving you hugs at CVS. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:20 They're giving you hugs. They want everyone to do well.

Sara Weinshenk 28:21 See?

Joe Rogan 28:21 "I want you to be happy."

Kim Congdon 28:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:23 "Everybody wants you to do well." Imagine.

Kim Congdon 28:25 Imagine.

Joe Rogan 28:26 Those two things-

Kim Congdon 28:27 I love that.

Joe Rogan 28:27 ... we talked about psilocybin and MDMA. They're real. This isn't, like, we're not making this up.

Kim Congdon 28:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:31 They're not, like, fake things that, you know, some people have talked about on internet forums, but they're not real. No, the fucking... They're real and they're illegal. It's like, that alone should make us go, "What the fuck is, when is that gonna change?"

Sara Weinshenk 28:43 Like-

Joe Rogan 28:43 We're in 2023.

Sara Weinshenk 28:43 ... how are they illegal, but, like, Delta, that weird t-

Joe Rogan 28:47 Delta 9?

Sara Weinshenk 28:48 ... is legal? Like, how is that a thing?

Joe Rogan 28:50 (exhales) I don't know. That's a weird high.

Sara Weinshenk 28:52 I haven't smoked it.

Joe Rogan 28:53 It's like a neighbor of weed. It's like, "I'm weed's neighbor. I'm gonna tell you what you can't see."

Sara Weinshenk 28:59 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 28:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:59 It's like-

Kim Congdon 28:59 "Come on in. Weed will be here soon."

Joe Rogan 29:01 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 29:01 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 29:01 You're like, "Will it?"

Joe Rogan 29:02 And it doesn't seem like, it doesn't seem like it has any of the ideas that weed has.

Kim Congdon 29:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:05 It's like it just repeats weed's ideas.

Kim Congdon 29:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:07 And not, it doesn't do such a good job of telling them, "Well, one time when he was 13-

Kim Congdon 29:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:11 ... his big stepdaddy was a real piece of shit." Anyway.

Sara Weinshenk 29:15 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 29:15 (laughs) Oh, weed makes you uncomfortable.

Joe Rogan 29:17 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 29:17 You don't wanna stay for d- or, Delta. It makes you uncomfortable.

Joe Rogan 29:20 It makes me, like, whoa. It just, it's a odd, it's an odd thing.

Kim Congdon 29:24 I-

Joe Rogan 29:24 It's, it's weird that they can do that, though. It's weird that that's legal.

Kim Congdon 29:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 29:28 I bought weed one time in Harlem-

Joe Rogan 29:30 (gasps)

Kim Congdon 29:31 ... from this guy. Can I say that? (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 29:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:35 Back then, it was probably illegal.

Kim Congdon 29:37 Um, uh, yeah, no. I mean, this was probably three years ago.

Joe Rogan 29:41 When did it get legal in New York?

Sara Weinshenk 29:43 ... recently.

Kim Congdon 29:43 Oh, yeah. So it was probably illegal then still. They were-

Joe Rogan 29:46 You're a criminal.

Kim Congdon 29:47 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 29:47 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 29:47 I was- I was doing bad things.

Sara Weinshenk 29:48 A bad bitch.

Kim Congdon 29:49 But, uh, I had always bought from this guy and I- and I was right before I recorded my podcast, this was when I was living in New York, and I s- rolled a joint of it and I smoked it with me, my- my co-host, our guest, all the producers, and then while we were smoking it, like before the joint was even done, I was like, "I'm done." And then I was like, "We should do a new segment and we should rap."

Sara Weinshenk 30:13 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 30:13 And everybody was like, "What?" And I was like, "We should, like, start rap... I think it would be a good idea if we started, we became like a rap thing."

Sara Weinshenk 30:19 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 30:19 And then I just started going off about rap, and I was, like, going crazy. And then when we got on, I was like, "We have to start the show now because we have to do this thing before the idea goes." And I started getting crazy.

Joe Rogan 30:28 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 30:28 And then we're... And then I'm, like, breathing all heavy and my heart's racing, and one of the producers who is like... does a lot of drugs literally said into the mic, "I'm the highest I've ever been." And then that's when it hit me that I was, like, the weed, like there was... "This is not me." Like I realized something happened and we were on air already.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Oh.

Kim Congdon 30:48 I was pulling up rap lyrics-

Sara Weinshenk 30:49 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 30:49 ... and dancing to them. And... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:51 It's those w- those joints that they sprinkle the THC crystals on.

Sara Weinshenk 30:56 Oh.

Kim Congdon 30:56 No, I know exactly what it was.

Joe Rogan 30:58 What was it?

Kim Congdon 30:59 Ugh, okay. I... after I came down and had them almost call an ambulance on-

Joe Rogan 31:05 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 31:05 ...'cause then I freaked out on the podcast, I cried. I was like sh- I was... We were looking up the syns- symptoms of fentanyl on the podcast. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 31:11 No.

Kim Congdon 31:12 Yes. Because I was like-

Joe Rogan 31:13 Oh my god.

Kim Congdon 31:13 ... "It could be fentanyl. I've never felt like this on weed." And then I looked at the bag and there was a little bit of cocaine in the bag that he sold me the weed in, so I had smoked-

Sara Weinshenk 31:23 Crack, basically.

Kim Congdon 31:24 ... crack. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:24 Whoa.

Sara Weinshenk 31:26 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 31:26 And did a podcast.

Sara Weinshenk 31:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:28 So-

Kim Congdon 31:28 A full podcast trying to be a rapper.

Joe Rogan 31:30 So you would've been a rapper if you had done crack.

Sara Weinshenk 31:33 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 31:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:33 100%.

Kim Congdon 31:35 Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 31:35 100%.

Kim Congdon 31:36 100%.

Sara Weinshenk 31:37 100%.

Kim Congdon 31:37 100%.

Sara Weinshenk 31:38 I think I would also be a rapper if I did crack.

Kim Congdon 31:40 Rhyme Shenk.

Joe Rogan 31:41 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 31:41 That was my nickname for a while.

Kim Congdon 31:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:42 Rhyme Shenk, I like it.

Sara Weinshenk 31:42 I was rhyming, I was like...

Kim Congdon 31:44 Yep. So-

Sara Weinshenk 31:45 No one could be around me.

Kim Congdon 31:46 Make sure your-

Joe Rogan 31:47 That's hilarious.

Kim Congdon 31:47 ... weed dealer doesn't also deal coke and reuse the baggies.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Imagine if there's, like, certain drugs that make you wanna do certain activities.

Sara Weinshenk 31:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:55 It's like if it's crack and rap are just like... you know-

Sara Weinshenk 31:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:58 ... if you ever seen like some, uh-

Kim Congdon 32:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:01 ... lost kid from the suburbs, all of a sudden he starts rapping.

Sara Weinshenk 32:04 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 32:04 Well, yeah, I smoke weed-

Joe Rogan 32:05 Testing for crack.

Kim Congdon 32:05 ... 'cause I'm a comedian. I feel like if I would've drank more, I would've been, like a- like a mom (laughs) for sure.

Joe Rogan 32:10 Yeah, but like...

Sara Weinshenk 32:11 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 32:11 Someone- someone would've gotten pre- me pregnant already.

Joe Rogan 32:13 There's a lot of funny, uh, comedians that are drunks.

Kim Congdon 32:17 That's true.

Sara Weinshenk 32:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Comedians girls too.

Kim Congdon 32:18 That's true.

Joe Rogan 32:18 You know?

Sara Weinshenk 32:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah, it seems like-

Kim Congdon 32:20 I feel like, but we all smoke weed, most of us.

Joe Rogan 32:22 A lot of... It's- it's comedy steroids.

Kim Congdon 32:24 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 32:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 It really is.

Kim Congdon 32:25 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:26 It puts you in, like, a different state of mind.

Sara Weinshenk 32:28 That's like what Br- Brody would say, he was like, "90% of comedians smoke weed, 90%, and the rest, they're not funny." (laughs)

Kim Congdon 32:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:38 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 32:38 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 32:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:39 I've gotten some calls from people that, like, who used to be like super straight-laced and then when it became legal in California in like 2016, people were like, "Oh, it's fucking legal."

Kim Congdon 32:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:46 "It's legal."

Sara Weinshenk 32:46 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:47 "What's the big deal?"

Kim Congdon 32:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:48 "Maybe a gummy will help me go to sleep."

Kim Congdon 32:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 And then they start taking them and they start asking me questions like, "What's the difference between sativa and indica?"

Kim Congdon 32:55 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 32:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:55 You know those questions?

Kim Congdon 32:56 They text you at 4:20 and you're like, "Dude-

Joe Rogan 32:58 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 32:59 ... come on."

Joe Rogan 32:59 ... just fucking rookie."

Sara Weinshenk 33:00 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 33:00 (laughs) Come on, man. You're smoking out of apples and shit.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Listen, I was that rookie at one point in time too.

Kim Congdon 33:05 We all were.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 33:07 We all were.

Joe Rogan 33:08 In the beginning. You can't believe people don't know about pot.

Kim Congdon 33:11 Dude, f-

Joe Rogan 33:11 When you first start smoking weed, you're like, "How is everybody not doing this?"

Sara Weinshenk 33:13 It's the... When you first start... When I first started smoking weed is when I started dating this white hippie dude that had dreadlocks from Portland.

Kim Congdon 33:21 Gus?

Sara Weinshenk 33:21 No.

Kim Congdon 33:22 Oh.

Sara Weinshenk 33:22 This was a different-

Kim Congdon 33:23 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 33:24 Um, and all we would do is get high and eat pies. And I think I gained like 15 pounds.

Kim Congdon 33:29 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 33:29 'Cause I was just smoking weed with him and eating pies.

Joe Rogan 33:32 Do you guys know the story of Jack Herer?

Sara Weinshenk 33:35 Oh, the- the-

Joe Rogan 33:36 The emperor wears no clothes.

Sara Weinshenk 33:37 The hemp guy.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 33:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:39 The hemp emperor. Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 33:39 I know. Yeah, yeah, the emperor.

Joe Rogan 33:41 Yeah. Well, he's a- a- a- a famous marijuana activist and researcher and he- and he wrote this book. This guy was a g- like a Goldwater Republican, and then, uh, met this lady and they were smoking a little marijuana together, hanging out and, like, all of a sudden he gets it and he goes, "Oh my god, this is good for you." Like, "This is..." (exhales loudly) Like, he has all these revelations about it. Then he goes into the history he fi- 'cause he's a- a very smart guy.

Sara Weinshenk 34:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:09 He says like, "How did this happen?" And he starts delving into the history of, you know, Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst, and they conspired to make it look like it was this new drug that was causing all these, uh, Mexican guys... Excuse me (hacks) I got this, uh-

Kim Congdon 34:24 I thought that was-

Joe Rogan 34:25 ... these Zyn patches in my-

Kim Congdon 34:26 ... I thought that was the... that the drugs were doing. I was like-

Joe Rogan 34:28 No, I wish.

Kim Congdon 34:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:29 Um, they were saying that it was causing, uh, Mexicans and Black men to rape white women.

Sara Weinshenk 34:34 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 34:34 They were writing stories about this. And then they came out with the Reefer Madness propaganda films, and all this calling it marijuana.

Kim Congdon 34:40 They tried to Emmett Till weed.

Sara Weinshenk 34:41 Yes, that's why-

Joe Rogan 34:42 Exac- marijuana was a... like a slang for Mexican wild tobacco. It w- it had nothing to do with-

Sara Weinshenk 34:49 And, and that's why... That's why... Sorry to cut you off, but that's why I have, like, uh, one of my Black friends told me the Black community likes to call it cannabis not marijuana because it's associ- marijuana is associated with that...

Joe Rogan 35:00 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 35:00 ... negativity.

Kim Congdon 35:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 35:03 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with the word marijuana, I think it's a cute name.

Sara Weinshenk 35:06 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 35:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:07 I like it. Marijuana sounds good.

Kim Congdon 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:08 I'd like to smo-

Sara Weinshenk 35:09 It's my daughter, marijuana.

Joe Rogan 35:10 I'd like to smoke some marijuana. Um, but I- I also like cannabis too. It's like the names aren't important.

Sara Weinshenk 35:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:16 What's important is, like, that people like this Jack Herer guy... See if you can pull up that book, 'cause it's a very good book, um, where he talks about, uh... He- he actually had this video that they had made in, like, the... World War I or World War II. Um, it was Hemp for Victory and it was telling farmers to grow marijuana. Like marijuana, like the plant marijuana, is also hemp.

Kim Congdon 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Right? So what- what- what marijuana is, is a psychoactive female version of a very similar plant. And so now they've kind of engineered hemp so it doesn't have any THC in it.

Kim Congdon 35:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:51 So you can't smoke the hemp. But that...... hemp is what they were fighting. They weren't really fighting marijuana. They were fighting hemp 'cause it's a superior textile. It makes the best, most durable clothes.

Kim Congdon 36:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:03 It makes a far superior paper. You could use it to build houses with.

Kim Congdon 36:07 Why doesn't-

Joe Rogan 36:08 You could make hempcrete.

Kim Congdon 36:08 ... everybody use hemp then?

Joe Rogan 36:09 It should be. It should be one-

Kim Congdon 36:11 Well-

Joe Rogan 36:11 It also-

Kim Congdon 36:11 But why not, why not the switchover?

Joe Rogan 36:13 Because there's a lot of moving pieces when it comes to things like this. There's a lot of moving pieces that are in gear. They're moving. So hemp is now legal in the United States, right? So then the industry has to kind of build up, and you have to have manufacturing if you really wanna do it.

Kim Congdon 36:28 New machines, and...

Joe Rogan 36:28 If you really want a higher skilled labor to make-

Kim Congdon 36:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:30 ... hemp clothes that you build-

Kim Congdon 36:31 It's-

Joe Rogan 36:31 ... here in America, now it's possible. But at Onnit, we used to have to buy our hemp from Canada 'cause you couldn't grow it in the United States, even though it was legal 'cause it wasn't psychoactive. So we had hemp protein powder.

Kim Congdon 36:42 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 36:42 And we used to have to get it grown in Canada.

Kim Congdon 36:44 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 36:45 We couldn't even hi- we couldn't even hire an American farmer to grow it.

Sara Weinshenk 36:48 Yeah, I know that hemp is also, um, like the clothes are anti, it's like antibacterial-

Joe Rogan 36:54 Antibacterial, yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 36:54 ... antifungal.

Kim Congdon 36:54 What?

Joe Rogan 36:55 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 36:55 I didn't know any of this.

Sara Weinshenk 36:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Yeah, they make hemp gis.

Sara Weinshenk 36:58 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 36:58 What?

Joe Rogan 36:59 They, they're, yeah. I have a hemp gi. Yeah, Datsura.

Kim Congdon 37:02 Does it-

Joe Rogan 37:03 It's the shit.

Kim Congdon 37:03 Does it smell less?

Joe Rogan 37:03 You can find them online. They, y- it's ju- they're just real durable. Like real fucking durable. Like the only thing that's gonna break is the threads.

Sara Weinshenk 37:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:11 And then you just restitch it. Like that cloth is not ripping. It's, it's really fucking strong.

Sara Weinshenk 37:17 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Like hemp is a weird thing. Like my friend Todd McCormick had a stalk of hemp on his desk. He's like, "Pick this up."

Sara Weinshenk 37:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:24 I pick it up and I was like, "What the fuck, man? It weighs nothing." It was hard-

Sara Weinshenk 37:29 Really?

Joe Rogan 37:29 It was hard like oak, but it weighed nothing.

Sara Weinshenk 37:33 Wow.

Joe Rogan 37:33 It weighed nothing.

Kim Congdon 37:33 Wow.

Joe Rogan 37:33 It was like balsa wood.

Kim Congdon 37:35 I feel like we, we need to get up on hemp.

Joe Rogan 37:37 See if you can see like a fat hemp stalk. Like that's, so that's the stuff that they turn into clothing. So they strip it away, and it's like, it's a very difficult process. And for the longest time, they, they were doing it with slave labor. And then when the cotton gin came along, the cotton gin made it easier to process cotton.

Sara Weinshenk 37:56 Mm.

Kim Congdon 37:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 37:56 And so it wasn't until the decorticator was invented, and the decorticator was a new method to effectively process hemp fiber with a machine. So they had this machine that's gonna strip it down, 'cause otherwise they were using, like people were pounding on it and shit.

Kim Congdon 38:10 Right.

Sara Weinshenk 38:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 38:11 So this in- was invented, and then all the Reefer Madness shit came out, because there was a thing that was-

Kim Congdon 38:16 Oh, so then they had the-

Joe Rogan 38:17 I think it was Popular Science magazine. See if that, "Hemp: The New Billion-Dollar Crop." See if you can find that.

Kim Congdon 38:22 Then they had the two, and they just chose the cotton because there was no drama behind there.

Sara Weinshenk 38:26 'Cause it was easier.

Joe Rogan 38:26 It wasn't just it was no... No, it was the people that... It was, William Randolph Hearst was one of them. So William Randolph Hearst owned a- Hearst Publications. Look, "Billion-Dollar Crop." It was on the cover of the magazine. See if you can find the cover 'cause it's kind of hilarious to see that, that they have this, this story about this new billion-dollar crop, hemp.

Kim Congdon 38:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:48 I mean, it's really wild shit.

Sara Weinshenk 38:50 Yeah, that's wild. Well, so now can, can anyone grow hemp?

Joe Rogan 38:55 Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it wasn't on the cover. But that's the story right there, "Hemp: The Billion-Dollar Crop."

Sara Weinshenk 39:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 39:00 God, I swore it was on the cover, but I have a fucked-up memory sometimes. "Hemp fiber being delivered from machines ready for baling. Piles of pulverized herbs, uh, beside machine is 77% cellulose." So they strip it down with that machine, and they, so they immediately were like, "Okay, now we, we're gonna have, uh, you know, this stuff that's lighter, it's better, it's stronger." It's really like a fucking alien plant. It's real weird. It's, when you pick it up-

Sara Weinshenk 39:26 It is.

Joe Rogan 39:26 ... it feels weird. You ever been in a grow room?

Sara Weinshenk 39:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:30 How weird do those feel?

Sara Weinshenk 39:31 So weird.

Joe Rogan 39:32 Weird.

Kim Congdon 39:33 Why do they feel weird?

Sara Weinshenk 39:34 So weird.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Like there's something else in there with you.

Sara Weinshenk 39:36 (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 39:37 You're not alone.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Like HAL is in there with you.

Kim Congdon 39:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Like...

Kim Congdon 39:39 Well, can I tell you-

Joe Rogan 39:40 Hello, Kim.

Sara Weinshenk 39:41 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 39:41 ... I have a lot of plants and I feel like that about my plants in general. I-

Sara Weinshenk 39:44 She calls one of them her dog.

Kim Congdon 39:45 ... I have, I have this huge Monstera plant, and I swear to God, it just feels alive, and it creeps me out sometimes.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Yeah. I'm not a big fan of houseplants.

Sara Weinshenk 39:55 You're not?

Joe Rogan 39:56 No.

Sara Weinshenk 39:56 What?

Joe Rogan 39:56 'Cause I think it's like little prisoners.

Kim Congdon 39:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:58 I think, I think they're supposed to be-

Kim Congdon 40:00 Outside.

Joe Rogan 40:00 ... not in this little trapped ecosystem relying on you to play classical music for them. I think they wanna be out there-

Kim Congdon 40:05 Now I'm sad for my plants.

Joe Rogan 40:06 ... out there in the wild.

Kim Congdon 40:06 They don't even get classical music.

Sara Weinshenk 40:08 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 40:09 Free them.

Joe Rogan 40:10 I'm not a fan of, uh-

Kim Congdon 40:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:12 ... of corralling up wild things.

Kim Congdon 40:15 Don't make me feel bad a- now that I have prisoner plants at home.

Sara Weinshenk 40:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:19 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 40:19 I have to look those babies in the eye every day.

Joe Rogan 40:22 Well, the thing is that-

Kim Congdon 40:23 Now I feel like they hate me.

Sara Weinshenk 40:24 (laughs) ... and-

Kim Congdon 40:25 They're so happy, they look so good, and they grow so fast.

Joe Rogan 40:28 Yeah, because you're feeding them. They get a little-

Kim Congdon 40:30 I have big windows too.

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... I bet they like it. Maybe they love it. Maybe they're like a house cat. They fucking love it.

Kim Congdon 40:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 40:35 And I heard that they have eyes. Did you hear that? Plants have eyes now? They can see-

Sara Weinshenk 40:38 That's too far.

Kim Congdon 40:39 ... they, they, they had receptors. They found out that... I, I saw that, I don't know, TikTok probably.

Joe Rogan 40:44 The thing is about-

Kim Congdon 40:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:45 ... plants is that they're communicating with each other through the ground. That's what's fascinating.

Sara Weinshenk 40:49 That's so cool.

Kim Congdon 40:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:50 Yeah, they're just starting to figure this stuff out. They, like this, they just, I don't know when they realized this, but this is like the mycologists have figured it out. And all these scientists are realizing that these, they're allocating resources to different plants. They're, they're sharing resources. They're communicating in some way. It's very weird.

Kim Congdon 41:05 Also there is-

Sara Weinshenk 41:06 That is weird.

Kim Congdon 41:06 ... like spots that people take pictures of that meditate in the grass, and that grass grows flowers around it, the spots that they meditate.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Whoa. We're like angels.

Sara Weinshenk 41:14 I, (laughs) I love that.

Kim Congdon 41:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:16 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 41:16 Wow.

Kim Congdon 41:16 They communicate with you if you lay on them.

Joe Rogan 41:18 They do.

Kim Congdon 41:19 They do.

Sara Weinshenk 41:19 They do.

Joe Rogan 41:19 They definitely do. Well, that's why people say when you take mushrooms, go to nature.

Kim Congdon 41:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:23 You take mushrooms, you go to nature. It's like, "Oh my God, these things are alive."

Sara Weinshenk 41:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:26 You know? Like you don't think of them as a, you're, we're so... First of all, it's so hard to stay alive. Up until about, what, 200 years ago, 100 years ago-

Kim Congdon 41:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:36 ... it was almost impossible.

Kim Congdon 41:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Everybody's getting murdered. (laughs) It's just like-

Kim Congdon 41:39 Left and right.

Joe Rogan 41:39 ... every day is just slaughter-fest. People are-

Sara Weinshenk 41:41 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 41:41 ... horrible to each other.

Kim Congdon 41:42 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 41:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Right? So you gotta, like, concentrate on what you can fucking d- I just gotta keep moving and tr- What can I eat? How can I stay alive?

Kim Congdon 41:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:49 How can I keep moving? How can I protect my kids? So it kinda makes sense that you'll tune out-

Kim Congdon 41:55 ... right.

Joe Rogan 41:56 ... the nature part. Because, like, yeah, yeah, I can't be fucked with, with all this beautiful love shit. I'm trying to stay alive. I'm trying to get eat ... not to get eaten by cats.

Kim Congdon 42:03 Right.

Sara Weinshenk 42:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:04 You know? I'm out here trying to protect a baby with a sharp stick.

Kim Congdon 42:06 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 42:07 Yeah. Now we can chill.

Joe Rogan 42:08 Now we can chill.

Kim Congdon 42:09 Now we can chill.

Sara Weinshenk 42:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Now we can chill.

Kim Congdon 42:10 (sighs)

Sara Weinshenk 42:11 Yeah. One of the things I did during the pandemic was move to a very beautiful outdoorsy neighborhood.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 42:18 And it really changed everything for me-

Joe Rogan 42:20 Sure, you're around light.

Sara Weinshenk 42:20 ... in terms of like ... Yeah, my mental health completely just changed s- for the better-

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 42:25 ... spending so much time outside, and meditating outside-

Joe Rogan 42:28 I think-

Sara Weinshenk 42:28 ... and just being in nature.

Joe Rogan 42:29 ... they call it forest bathing.

Sara Weinshenk 42:32 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 42:33 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 42:33 I'm like the sound of that.

Joe Rogan 42:34 They didn't invent that, right? That's what they call it, right?

Sara Weinshenk 42:37 Forest bathing? I like it.

Kim Congdon 42:38 My friend, uh ...

Joe Rogan 42:39 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 42:39 My friend, Alex, just had a baby, and she keeps going like, "I keep imagining just, like, women that used to have babies without all the information, and they'd just be sitting in a cave breastfeeding, and like-"

Joe Rogan 42:49 (sighs) Oh, God.

Kim Congdon 42:50 ... they're ... they don't know what the fuck just happened to them, like this-

Sara Weinshenk 42:52 Well-

Kim Congdon 42:53 ... crazy shit they just went through.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 42:55 And she's like having tr- ... She's like, "It gives me anxiety because I'm so comfortable-"

Sara Weinshenk 42:59 But also, though-

Kim Congdon 43:00 "... about how tough it used to be."

Sara Weinshenk 43:01 But also, uh, a long time ago, women would birth together, and they would help each other. Like, there'd be doulas and midwives.

Kim Congdon 43:09 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 43:09 And so, it wasn't really ... Like, it was more communal, I think.

Kim Congdon 43:12 But still, not having answers, not having Google? (exhales)

Joe Rogan 43:17 The secret to mindful travel, a walk in the woods. Visit these five destinations to practice the Japanese art of forest bathing. Ah, it is real. Thank you.

Kim Congdon 43:27 Um-

Sara Weinshenk 43:27 Confirmed.

Joe Rogan 43:28 Confirmed. Wow.

Sara Weinshenk 43:31 Wow.

Kim Congdon 43:31 Yeah, it's just walking through. It makes you feel good. It changes your life, makes you healthier, essentially.

Sara Weinshenk 43:35 Raises your vibration.

Joe Rogan 43:37 I think there's something real to that. When we're in an environment, whether it's an environment of people, you know, or an environment of plants-

Sara Weinshenk 43:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:47 ... you're getting some sort of weird information that's not as simple as what you see and what you hear. I think you get it from people, like, you know, people that you like. Like, you talk to 'em, you're like, "That guy's cool."

Kim Congdon 43:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:59 "I like talking to that guy."

Kim Congdon 44:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:00 And there's other people you're like, "Jesus."

Sara Weinshenk 44:02 Yikes. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 44:03 And, and you know, and it's, like, not clear for ... 'Cause you ever see someone that other people like, and you're like, "Wait." (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 44:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:11 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 44:11 You're like, "Wait a minute. What's happening here?"

Sara Weinshenk 44:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:14 Yeah. That's the story of my whole career. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 44:15 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 44:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:15 (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 44:23 Hilarious. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 44:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:28 (laughs) Yeah, I've got no explanations for it either.

Kim Congdon 44:30 It's just crazy. And, you know, the, the instincts, especially like you see things that are unexplainable, like being a woman too. Like, you ever know that a guy is cheating on you, and you're right, and nothing-

Sara Weinshenk 44:41 Oh, yeah.

Kim Congdon 44:41 ... told you. Just a feeling.

Sara Weinshenk 44:43 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 44:43 What is that?

Sara Weinshenk 44:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 44:45 What is that?

Joe Rogan 44:46 I think there's things that people give off besides words. There's information that people give off beside ... There's like ... You, you can tell if someone's being deceptive. You can tell if someone's secretly mad at you. Like, you know, you know that weird feeling like, "I don't think this person likes me."

Kim Congdon 45:00 But I guess-

Joe Rogan 45:00 There's some weird, no reason at all that I can discern of.

Kim Congdon 45:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:03 You know, you get that feeling sometimes?

Kim Congdon 45:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:05 I think those are real feelings.

Kim Congdon 45:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:06 I think there's something there that's, uh, non-verbal. Some, some fucking thing that they're giving off, and you're picking up on it.

Sara Weinshenk 45:12 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 45:12 And then you trick yourself into thinking it was just you being like ... You're like, "I might be in a mood." And then-

Joe Rogan 45:17 And then you tri-

Kim Congdon 45:17 ... you, like, brush it off.

Joe Rogan 45:18 Yeah. You could do that.

Kim Congdon 45:19 Then they kill you, and you're like, "Damn it."

Joe Rogan 45:21 Or you could, you could try it again and say-

Kim Congdon 45:22 I trust my gut.

Joe Rogan 45:23 ... "Maybe that person was having a rough day." You know?

Sara Weinshenk 45:25 True. I trust my gut.

Joe Rogan 45:27 You should trust your gut. But you could run into someone that just got in a car accident. That's the thing.

Kim Congdon 45:31 Yikes.

Joe Rogan 45:31 When, when things happen like that and people get ramped up ...

Guest 45:33 (laughs) Yikes.

Joe Rogan 45:34 No, no. When people get ramped up. It's like that's why road rage exists, because everyone's ramped up, right? You're on the, in the car, you have to think fast 'cause you're going fast.

Sara Weinshenk 45:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:41 And then someone's cutting you, and you're like, "You motherfucker." Like, 'cause you're, 'cause you're already ramped up.

Kim Congdon 45:45 Yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 45:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:45 So, sometimes you could run into someone, and like some guy just fucking T-boned him, ran a red light, and screamed at him, and there's a lot of shit going on, and the cops didn't help. And then you meet that person, and they could be too ramped up.

Kim Congdon 45:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:57 And you're like, "That guy's ... I think that guy fucking hates me." Like, "That guy hates everyone right now." He's like-

Kim Congdon 46:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:01 He's just pissed.

Kim Congdon 46:02 Oh, yeah.

Sara Weinshenk 46:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:02 "He almost died in a car accident, and no one cares."

Kim Congdon 46:05 I got, I got into the most frustrating road rage recently.

Joe Rogan 46:08 I do.

Kim Congdon 46:08 I did. And it was just, like, fucking annoying. It was like ... I do notice it a lot. I'm not shitting on LA. I'm just saying that I notice in LA, the drivers-

Sara Weinshenk 46:18 Sounds like you're shitting on LA, bitch. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 46:20 The traffic-

Joe Rogan 46:20 If I was LA, I'd be like, "What, bitch?"

Sara Weinshenk 46:22 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 46:22 I'll, I'll say it right now. The traffic is bad because it has the worst drivers in the country. LA has the worst drivers in the country because they try to follow the rules too much, and they're causing traffic jams. No one uses a right lane. They're all scared to merge. I'm telling you, there's a trick. I, I shouldn't even say it. But if you're in LA, you can cut the Google Maps time by four or five minutes just by driving in the right lane. Everyone's terrified 'cause they don't wanna be rude and merge in a mile up the road. It's nuts. Anyways ...

Joe Rogan 46:53 Boy, you're real specific.

Sara Weinshenk 46:54 No, she-

Kim Congdon 46:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:55 She's got like a specific beef with LA drivers.

Sara Weinshenk 46:57 Diet. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 46:57 I do. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:57 That seems so specific.

Kim Congdon 46:58 Don't get her fucking started.

Joe Rogan 46:59 Listen, here's the problem.

Kim Congdon 46:59 What do I call them?

Joe Rogan 47:01 But-

Kim Congdon 47:01 White knight cucks. (laughs)

Sara Weinshenk 47:03 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 47:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:03 If you think, if you think LA sucks, New York is like, "Hold my beer, bitch."

Kim Congdon 47:07 No.

Joe Rogan 47:07 'Cause I was just in New York, and they're mad people. They just fucking cut in front of everybody. They drive like crazy.

Kim Congdon 47:13 New York is crazier.

Joe Rogan 47:13 I would, I'll take the LA, the LA morons over the New York psychos.

Sara Weinshenk 47:17 See, I think the LA morons are also like looking at themselves.

Joe Rogan 47:21 A little bit of that.

Sara Weinshenk 47:22 A little bit of, "Does my eyeliner look good?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:24 A little bit of pretending as if-

Kim Congdon 47:24 No, they're like-

Sara Weinshenk 47:25 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Kim Congdon 47:26 They're trying-

Joe Rogan 47:26 ... there's a camera on them always.

Sara Weinshenk 47:27 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 47:27 They're trying to do too much activism too.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Get your motor running.

Sara Weinshenk 47:30 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 47:30 They stop-

Joe Rogan 47:31 Getting it on.

Kim Congdon 47:31 They STO- ... With his glasses on.

Sara Weinshenk 47:35 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 47:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:35 I went down a rabbit hole, uh, yesterday, looking for Jim Morrison's GT500.

Sara Weinshenk 47:41 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 47:41 Apparently, there's a lost car out there.

Kim Congdon 47:44 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 47:44 No one knows where it is. No one knows how it went away. Jim Morrison had one of the only ... There was only a certain number of Shelby GT500s that were made during this year. I think it was 1967. And this car, he filmed this video of him ... They, they, they made like a movie with it.... so they did some filming with it on the highway, and there's, like, photographs of it and there's footage from it. And he had this car, and then no one knows where it went.

Kim Congdon 48:13 And you want it.

Joe Rogan 48:14 Fuck yeah. But I'm, not just me. See, the problem with me is I- I'm the wrong guy for that 'cause I think old cars are stupid. I like to take old cars and turn 'em into cars that drive like new cars. It's like, you want brakes, guys. Like You want real brakes.

Kim Congdon 48:28 (laughs)

Guest 48:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:29 You don't, like, that nostalgia of bad brakes, you can kiss my ass with that. I like, like, there's a company called Roadster Shop that did a 1969 Camaro for me. They take old cars and they give it, like, a real suspension, independent suspension, f- full fucking giant six-piston brakes, handles, drives normal, starts when you want it to, voom, voom, voom. That's stupid.

Kim Congdon 48:51 But it-

Joe Rogan 48:51 So I wouldn't really want it other than to say I had it.

Kim Congdon 48:53 Yeah.

Guest 48:53 No, you need to get it. You gotta get Jim Morrison's car, Joe.

Joe Rogan 48:57 It's probably some, like-

Kim Congdon 48:58 You should send out a hunt for it.

Guest 49:00 Send out a hunt.

Kim Congdon 49:01 You should se- you should make it a whole thing, like, "If you find Jim Morrison's car, you get this prize."

Joe Rogan 49:06 No, no. I think-

Kim Congdon 49:07 (laughs)

Guest 49:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:07 ... it would be like if a comic wanted to get Sam Kinison's car-

Kim Congdon 49:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:13 ... and a musician bought it instead. They'd be like, "Bitch, give it to us."

Kim Congdon 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:18 You know?

Kim Congdon 49:18 That's (laughs) yeah.

Guest 49:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:19 So Jim Morrison's car, I feel like a musician has to take that.

Kim Congdon 49:23 I feel like-

Guest 49:24 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 49:24 You know who should drive Jim Morrison's car?

Kim Congdon 49:26 Who?

Joe Rogan 49:26 Gary Clark Jr.

Kim Congdon 49:28 I don't know who that is.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Shut the fuck up.

Kim Congdon 49:29 Yeah.

Guest 49:30 Do I?

Joe Rogan 49:30 You d- you guys don't know Gary Clark Jr.?

Kim Congdon 49:31 Do I? (laughs) Do-

Guest 49:33 Do I, mama? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:34 Look, Austin resident, one of the greatest guitarists of all time.

Kim Congdon 49:38 Oh, he lives in Austin?

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 49:39 Oh, shit.

Guest 49:40 We gotta get him Jim Morrison's car.

Joe Rogan 49:42 He's the fucking man. If, there's a cover of one of his-

Guest 49:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:45 ... one of his albums where he was, uh, standing in front of this vintage Cadillac, this fucking cool Cadillac. And I was like, "Dude, please tell me that was your car." He's like, "Nope." (laughs)

Guest 49:56 I just, I want him to know-

Kim Congdon 49:57 (laughs)

Guest 49:57 Gary Clark Jr. to know that my DMs are open.

Kim Congdon 50:00 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:00 He's, uh, he's i- he's quite married. One lovely lady.

Guest 50:05 Oh.

Kim Congdon 50:05 (laughs)

Guest 50:05 I guess it's Zuckerberg then. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:07 Yeah.

Guest 50:07 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 50:07 (laughs)

Guest 50:08 Back to the Zuck.

Kim Congdon 50:09 Not him hearing that, now he knows he's the second choice. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:13 Oh, no.

Guest 50:13 No Zuck, number one.

Kim Congdon 50:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:15 Yeah, you can't do that to the Zuck. You're competitive.

Guest 50:16 Sorry, Zucky.

Kim Congdon 50:17 Sorry. Yeah.

Guest 50:18 Zucky baby. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:18 You just saw, the guy's a billionaire. He's entered in jujitsu tournaments.

Kim Congdon 50:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:21 He's competitive. You can't do that to him.

Guest 50:23 I'm sorry, Zucky.

Kim Congdon 50:24 What's he gonna put you in, Shanky?

Guest 50:26 What?

Kim Congdon 50:26 What jujitsu move?

Guest 50:27 En un plata. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 50:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:32 (laughs)

Guest 50:32 Maybe a triangle.

Kim Congdon 50:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:33 Whoa. Yay.

Guest 50:34 I know the jargon. I hang out with fighters.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Anybody want any coffee?

Kim Congdon 50:37 I would love coffee please. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 50:40 God, totally.

Kim Congdon 50:40 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's good. Will you pass me the cup?

Joe Rogan 50:43 You can hand that to the-

Kim Congdon 50:44 Here, we'll switch.

Guest 50:45 The princess.

50:45 This article says it probably wrecked it. Is that not what people think?

Joe Rogan 50:48 Yeah, they don't know, man. They think it went missing. I went down a rabbit hole and this guy-

Kim Congdon 50:52 I see.

Joe Rogan 50:52 ... did a video of it, and the guy was saying that, um, there's a bunch of different stories. One story that he crashed it and left it there and it got towed.

Kim Congdon 51:00 That I believe.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Another story-

Kim Congdon 51:01 Whitney did that.

Joe Rogan 51:02 ... so then he parked (laughs) it.

Guest 51:04 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 51:05 At Avril, at Avril Lavigne's house.

Guest 51:07 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 51:07 I think her car's still there.

Joe Rogan 51:09 That sounds like a Whitney move. That's like a Mike Tyson move. He crashed one of his Bentleys and gave, gave it to the cop, "You can have this, officer."

Kim Congdon 51:15 (laughs)

Guest 51:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:16 And then the cop was like, "Okay."

Kim Congdon 51:18 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 51:18 The cop, the cop had a fucking Bentley-

Kim Congdon 51:20 Oh, god.

Joe Rogan 51:20 ... for like two days and then they made him give it back. The police force made him give it back.

Kim Congdon 51:24 The Mike Tyson interview-

Guest 51:25 No. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 51:25 ... of him telling the woman journalist to stop speaking out of d- dude that shit-

Joe Rogan 51:29 Yeah. Bro.

Kim Congdon 51:29 ... was kind of funny. I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 51:30 "Don't talk to women unless I fornicate with them."

Kim Congdon 51:32 (laughs) And then she was just silent.

Joe Rogan 51:33 She was like, "Okay."

Kim Congdon 51:35 She didn't make another sound.

Joe Rogan 51:36 So yeah.

Guest 51:37 When I saw him at-

Kim Congdon 51:38 Have you seen that?

Guest 51:38 No, but when I saw him at The Comedy Store-

Kim Congdon 51:40 Oh.

Guest 51:40 ... it was one of the only times I've been really starstruck was when I saw him at a comedy store.

Kim Congdon 51:44 Me too. I was like, "I just-"

Joe Rogan 51:45 Wow.

Guest 51:45 ... he was very nice. He talked to me and didn't try to fornicate with me, I will say.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Dad.

Guest 51:48 Yeah, same.

51:48 Wow, he's the nicest guy ever.

51:49 Yeah, he was very nice.

Kim Congdon 51:50 He was so nice.

Joe Rogan 51:50 He's very, very nice, believe it or not. You know?

Kim Congdon 51:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:52 And he's a very kind person.

Kim Congdon 51:54 It is a very funny thing to say, Joe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:56 Well, back in the day, he was a different person, and that's th- the thing that he was, like, most afraid of about even working out. He said it, he said he doesn't wanna rekindle his ego.

Kim Congdon 52:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:06 And that's what he said when he fought Roy Jones. It was a crazy quote, said like, "The gods of war have rekindled my ego."

Guest 52:11 "The gods of war have rekindled my ego."

Kim Congdon 52:14 Ugh, I understand that though.

Guest 52:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Like, do you know what that guy must've been like from when, from when he won the world title at 20 years old to when Buster Douglas beat him? It was just a series of executions. It was one of the craziest things that anybody had ever seen in boxing. Everybody was so terrified by the time they got in the ring with him. They were losing before they got anywhere close to the ring. They were terrified of this fucking guy. He was like nobody we'd ever seen in the heavyweight division. So you have to be extreme in every possible part of your life to be w- riding those RPMs (imitates engine revving) .

Kim Congdon 52:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Of all the g- men, super athletes that are great at punching people in the face, you excel beyond and above all of them.

Kim Congdon 52:57 It's insane. Imagine how sick you are as his opponent-

Joe Rogan 53:01 Oh my God.

Kim Congdon 53:02 ... then, like right before the fight.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Terrified.

Kim Congdon 53:03 Like the feeling that you feel. It's like you got nausea. You're trying-

Joe Rogan 53:08 Just so you know.

Kim Congdon 53:08 ... you're trying to be confident, but you know. Oh, it's sickening.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Do you know, do you watch the videos?

Kim Congdon 53:12 It's sick, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:12 You watched the Marvis Frazier fight?

Kim Congdon 53:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:14 The Marvis Frazier fight was one of the most terrifying boxing fights I ever saw in my life 'cause it was Marvis Frazier who was, uh, the son of the great Joe Frazier, f- former world heavyweight champion. And Marvis Frazier was his son and his son was fighting Mike Tyson in his prime. And it was on ABC Wide World of Sports, I think.

Guest 53:33 What year was this?

Joe Rogan 53:34 Oh, this had to be like '86 or something like that, '87? What year was that, Young Jamie? So it had to be somewhere in the '80s.

Guest 53:48 Tyson, Tyson-Frazier, July 26th, 1986.

Joe Rogan 53:52 1986. Wanna see it? It's horrific.

Kim Congdon 53:54 Yes.

Guest 53:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Let's, let's play it because it's one of the most, it's one of the-

Kim Congdon 53:57 I feel like I've seen highlights, but he probably has a bunch of fights out there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:00 Yeah, but this is the one that you should see because this was a huge fight because he was the number two ranked heavyweight contender and, and he was the man. He was on the cover of, uh, Sports Illustrated. I actually have it framed in my office. Sports Illustrated sent it to me. It was Mike Tyson. It said, i- it said "Kid Dynamite." And at the time he was 19 years old.

Guest 54:18 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Look how young Jim Lampley looks. Oh, my god.

Guest 54:21 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 54:22 So let's scoot ahead to the actual fight itself. The fight itself was n- this is like highlights of other fights that Mike's had. So they're basically like setting up the whole Mike Tyson story that he's the most terrifying contender that we've seen since, you know, Joe Frazier. And Joe Frazier like kind of dismissed him in some sort of way. There's some sort of a verbal back and forth with him and Joe Frazier. And so this is Joe's son Marvis.

Guest 54:48 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Who is fighting Mike Tyson. It is fucking raw.

Kim Congdon 54:53 Mike Tyson in his prime is hot.

Guest 54:55 And looking... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:56 He was 20 years old. So this is before he fought for the title. You gotta watch how terrifying this is.

Guest 55:04 Holy shit.

55:05 ... round wind up here. The fourth round rule is in effect.

Kim Congdon 55:09 He's a machine.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Just right away, bobbing and weaving, jab, big shot, big shots.

Guest 55:14 Father Joe, Marvis must move or we're gonna be outta here very, very quickly.

55:20 Uh. Uh. (gasps) No.

Joe Rogan 55:25 Dude.

Guest 55:26 No.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Dude. He's one of the most terrifying knockouts ever. Ever.

Guest 55:31 My god.

Joe Rogan 55:31 And that was when Mike Tyson became undeniable. Everybody's like, "Oh, my god, that's the man."

Guest 55:37 And that-

Joe Rogan 55:37 That's the man.

Kim Congdon 55:38 That man's father watched that.

Guest 55:39 He's up there.

Joe Rogan 55:41 Yeah. Look at that. Boom.

Guest 55:42 Ugh. He did it-

Joe Rogan 55:43 Boom, boom.

Guest 55:44 Out, out right there.

55:44 ... so swiftly.

Joe Rogan 55:44 Yeah. He's out. And it, it... I mean, his punches are so accurate, so fast, and so powerful. I mean, look at that. He's catching him on the way down.

Guest 55:52 They would-

Joe Rogan 55:52 He's out cold and he hit him twice on the way down while he was out cold.

Guest 55:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:56 That's how fast he's hitting him.

Guest 55:58 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 55:58 There was nobody like him.

Guest 55:59 No.

Joe Rogan 55:59 There was nobody like him.

Guest 56:01 No.

Joe Rogan 56:01 I put that version of Mike Tyson... I would like to see that version against any heavyweight that ever lived. There was like a period of time where you're like, "Jesus, who's gonna beat that guy?"

Guest 56:10 No thank you.

Joe Rogan 56:10 I would've loved to seen it.

Guest 56:11 I mean...

Kim Congdon 56:11 I got punched in the face at Skank Fest and that, that was an upset.

Joe Rogan 56:15 (laughs)

Guest 56:15 I hated that.

Kim Congdon 56:16 That was... I did a fight and they, they... this girl came in.

Guest 56:19 No. That was horrible.

Kim Congdon 56:21 (laughs)

Guest 56:22 I was on the sideline like, "Okay, I hope mommy's gonna make it."

Kim Congdon 56:24 She, she comes in. Louis, Louis is like, "You wanna... you wanna fight?"

Guest 56:28 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 56:28 And I'm like, "Not really. I'm in overalls like off a tab of acid."

Guest 56:32 (laughs)

56:32 (laughs)

56:33 For two days straight, like no sleep. And I had concussion three weeks ago and then he's like, "You wanna fight?"

Joe Rogan 56:40 How'd you get a concussion?

Kim Congdon 56:40 Uh, I got it f- doing Muay Thai.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Oh, no.

Kim Congdon 56:43 Just the first time holding pads with this huge guy.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Oh, no.

Kim Congdon 56:46 And I didn't know I got a concussion. And then a few days later, we were sparring and someone hit me in the back of the head by accident. And then when I was driving home, I lost my vision. And then when I went to the hospital, they said I had post-concussive syndrome.

Joe Rogan 56:59 Whoa.

Kim Congdon 56:59 Yeah. So then I had concussion.

Joe Rogan 57:00 You were holding pads for a big guy?

Kim Congdon 57:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 And it's just the jolt of it-

Kim Congdon 57:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:05 ... gave you concussion?

Kim Congdon 57:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:07 Whoa.

Kim Congdon 57:07 Mm-hmm. The pads hitting the pad to my head. I mean, I-

Guest 57:11 I could feel it 'cause I'd get migraines after.

Joe Rogan 57:13 Why are you holding the pads for a big g- man?

Kim Congdon 57:16 Uh, I don't know.

Guest 57:17 That- that is a good question, Joe. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 57:20 I shouldn't have been. I s-

Guest 57:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:21 Yeah. I wouldn't let you hold the pads for me.

Guest 57:23 No.

Joe Rogan 57:23 I would, I'd be like, "Don't do that."

Guest 57:25 You could hold the pads for me though, bitch.

Joe Rogan 57:26 You could if you were just-

Guest 57:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:27 If the guy was just touching them.

Kim Congdon 57:29 Yeah. No, he was hitting them hard.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Like, if he... Yeah, that's not... You can't really do that. (laughs)

Guest 57:33 Yeah. No.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Someone needs to tell him-

Kim Congdon 57:34 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 57:34 ... "Hey, bro, you need like a strong person."

Guest 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 "Like very strong per-" Like some of those Thai guys are amazing 'cause they're not big guys. They're like these small dudes, but they're so fucking strong at that. Wap, wap.

Guest 57:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Just that mo- motion. They have so much power.

Guest 57:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:49 They, they stop these fucking horrendous kicks.

Guest 57:52 Yeah, I have-

Joe Rogan 57:52 With their forearms.

Guest 57:53 I have a friend who just went to Thailand for Muay Thai to train. And he said just being in Muay Thai... Being in Thailand, his Muay Thai got so much better.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Oh, yeah.

Guest 58:01 In such a short amount of time.

Joe Rogan 58:02 I would imagine.

Guest 58:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:03 We were just talking about that, uh, in the UFC this past weekend 'cause there's a story on this guy, Khalil Rountree, who's a very good fighter, but he lost one fight, uh, to this guy, Johnny Walker, and then decided to go to Thailand and really immerse himself in Muay Thai.

Guest 58:17 I know. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:17 And he came back and he was a totally different fighter. We were like, "Whoa."

Guest 58:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:23 So much so that I had him on the podcast. I'm like, "What happened? Tell me what happened. Like what'd you do?" He just like realized he had to f- be fucking 100% all in and serious. And he went to Thailand, learned Muay Thai, realized he had some holes in his striking game and, and patched them all up.

Kim Congdon 58:39 I feel like I would go to Thailand to do Muay Thai, and then I'd spend one day at the beach and be like, "Um, I'll be there tomorrow." (laughs)

Guest 58:45 (laughs)

58:45 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 58:45 Like keep winking at them.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah. You'd have to do some sort of like a camp-

Kim Congdon 58:49 No, I really liked it.

Joe Rogan 58:49 ... I tell you.

Kim Congdon 58:50 I'll probably go back-

Joe Rogan 58:51 Yeah.

Kim Congdon 58:51 ... and do it again. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:52 You gotta be careful about concussions though.

Kim Congdon 58:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 Those are... they're not fun and-

Kim Congdon 58:54 I'm just gonna do it for fun and not so-

Guest 58:56 Drama.

Kim Congdon 58:56 I was like training to do a fight at one point.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Oh, yeah.

Kim Congdon 58:59 And like try to compete. And now I'm like, "I just wanna do it and kind of work out."

Joe Rogan 59:03 But that's what's good about jujitsu.

Guest 59:04 I like-

Joe Rogan 59:04 Is that-

Guest 59:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:05 ... there's much less of that.

Guest 59:06 Totally.

Joe Rogan 59:06 I mean, you occasionally bang heads and get a knee in the face accidentally, but-

Guest 59:10 Selfishly, I was like, "Please don't get a concussion, bitch. The podcast will be shit if you can't think." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:14 Maybe it'll be better.

Kim Congdon 59:15 (laughs)

Guest 59:16 (laughs)

59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Maybe I should be more reckless.

Kim Congdon 59:17 Oh, no.

Guest 59:17 She comes in a... looking sp-

59:18 You don't-

59:18 ... speaking in a different accent like someone-

59:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:22 Just like... Oh. (laughs)

Guest 59:22 (laughs) Like someone after a stroke.

Kim Congdon 59:23 Lindsay Lohan in Dubai.

Joe Rogan 59:25 She comes and she can count in Chinese.

Guest 59:27 (laughs)

59:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:27 Like all of a sudden out of nowhere.

Kim Congdon 59:29 That is crazy when that happens to people.

Guest 59:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:32 Yeah. They get struck by lightning like that John Travolta movie.

Guest 59:35 (laughs)

59:35 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 59:35 (laughs)

Guest 59:35 Do you remember that movie?

59:36 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 59:37 There was a movie he got struck by lightning.

Guest 59:39 It takes... No. Baby Geniuses?

Kim Congdon 59:40 Phenomenon?

Joe Rogan 59:41 Something like that, right?

Kim Congdon 59:42 With the powder.

Guest 59:43 Was he...

Joe Rogan 59:43 What did... Was he... Could he read minds or something afterwards?

Guest 59:45 Yeah. No. He had like superpowers.

Joe Rogan 59:47 Yeah.

Guest 59:47 Something happened.

59:48 Phenomenon.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Yeah, he became like an angel or some shit.

Guest 59:49 Yeah. (laughs)

59:49 Well, there's two, there's two movies. There's like-

Joe Rogan 59:51 It's Michael, Phenomenon.

Kim Congdon 59:53 There's Michael, what his last name? (laughs)

Guest 59:56 There's Michael, Phenomenon. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Michael, Phenomenon.

Guest 59:56 I was thinking of both of 'em. (laughs)

59:56 (laughs)

Kim Congdon 59:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:56 I compile these two silly movies.

Guest 59:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:59 Uh, uh, uh, uh-

Guest 1:00:00 That's what people should do, movie hybrids.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 (laughs) Yeah. That's like Alien versus Predator.

Guest 1:00:06 Yeah. (laughs)

Kim Congdon 1:00:06 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 So this... The one where he got electrocuted, what kind of powers did he... Oh, he became super smart, right? I think he was like a regular dude and then he got electrocuted-

Kim Congdon 1:00:14 And then he was in a bubble.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 ... and became super smart.

Guest 1:00:15 Oh.

Kim Congdon 1:00:15 Remember the bubble boy?

Guest 1:00:16 But that was early... That came out the same year, that's probably why.

1:00:19 Phenomenon and Michael?

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 And Michael '96.

Guest 1:00:21 '96. They both came out.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 '96. So what was the story of Phenomenon? He became super smart, right?... is that the premise?

Guest 1:00:27 I think he had powers of some kind.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 I think they have powers and super strength.

Narrator 1:00:30 He sees a flash of light.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Uh, but he got hit by a lightning.

Narrator 1:00:33 It says he sees a flash of light. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 It doesn't say it?

Guest 1:00:34 He becomes a genius.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 He sees a flash... He sees and exhibits extraordinary mental abilities. He becomes a genius. He becomes a genius. This is what everybody wants. Nobody wants to, like, work really hard to be a genius. Everybody wants to just get hit by lightning.

Narrator 1:00:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 It's the perfect movie for-

Guest 1:00:45 This was my mom's favorite movie when I was a kid, Phenomenon.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 For people who lived in the '90s, this is the perfect movie.

Guest 1:00:50 I have never seen or heard of this movie.

1:00:52 This was my mom's favorite movie when I was a kid (laughs) .

1:00:54 My mom's was Titanic.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Listen, you got a beautiful handsome man, uh, who's-

Guest 1:00:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 ... kind of, you know, not-

Guest 1:00:58 At his peak.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 ... not- nothing's really good happening w- to him.

Guest 1:01:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 You know, it's kind of boring.

Guest 1:01:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 All of a sudden he gets hit by lightning.

Guest 1:01:05 He's a genius.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 That's it.

Guest 1:01:08 Not the lightning coming slowly at him (laughs) .

1:01:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 (laughs)

Guest 1:01:11 That was the slowest lightning.

Narrator 1:01:13 A light. A noise, did you hear it?

Guest 1:01:14 The man's inebriated.

Narrator 1:01:15 I'm not drunk. Can't sleep. Can you? What's happening here, George? I mean-

Guest 1:01:21 (laughs)

1:01:21 Not the dog.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Oh, it's the best movie of all time. Keep it going, keep it going.

Guest 1:01:23 The dog picking up on it.

Narrator 1:01:24 I've never seen it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 We should have a... We should get barbecued and watch this-

Guest 1:01:28 Yes (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 ... and do, like, a fight companion-

Guest 1:01:30 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... and we break down this movie Phenomenon.

Guest 1:01:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 So I think they're saying, like, the aliens gave him a blast.

Guest 1:01:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Is that what it looked like? It didn't-

Narrator 1:01:39 Yeah, 'cause I feel like the same thing too-

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 It was something in the sky.

Narrator 1:01:41 Yeah, Fire in the Sky came around, around this time too.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Well, Fire in, but Fire in the Sky-

Narrator 1:01:46 It was real. It was real.

Guest 1:01:46 Oh, they were trying to do aliens.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 ... is about this guy.

Narrator 1:01:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 This is, uh, Travis Walton. Do you know the story of Fire in the Sky?

Guest 1:01:51 No (laughs) .

1:01:51 Wait.

1:01:52 No, but I didn't expect the bauble when I turned it on.

1:01:54 I didn't either (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 He gave it to me. He gave it to me. He gave it to me. It was a gift.

Guest 1:01:57 That's crazy (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 It was a gift. Thank you, Travis.

Narrator 1:02:00 Yeah, we know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 So this right here. Uh, Fire in the Sky was amazing. And it was about a-

Guest 1:02:03 What the hell is happening?

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Well, it's this man's story. The real Travis Walton came in the podcast and told us a story. When he was, uh, in his early 20s he was a logger and, uh, they were going down this road and they saw this thing. They don't know what it is. This bright light that came and landed, like, near where the road was. And so they got out of the car, they stopped the car and Travis, I guess he was kind of a wild man, he ran towards the thing.

Guest 1:02:31 What?

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 And he got towards the thing and they all said there was some burst of light. He fell to the ground and then they panicked.

Guest 1:02:40 No!

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 So hold on. They panicked. They took off. They drive off and then they start screaming in the car, "We can't fucking leave him. We can't go... We gotta go back. We gotta go back and get him. Let's go back and get him." They turned around, they go back, he's gone. He's missing for five days. Five days later, uh, he makes a phone call-

Guest 1:02:57 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 ... to, like, the police. He says, "I don't know what happened." I, I, you know, he tries to explain. He gets abducted by a fucking UFO and they fix him.

Guest 1:03:08 D-

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Whatever happened to him when he got hit by this blast of energy, he says that they realized he was going to die, so they took him aboard and they repaired him.

Guest 1:03:17 I like that.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 And then they brought him back. It is a fucking wild story if it's true.

Guest 1:03:23 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 And this, uh, movie was kind of fun.

Guest 1:03:26 Whoa, I wanna see this movie.

1:03:27 Me too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 But the movie's got a lot of shit in it that's not real.

Guest 1:03:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 He keeps kind of explaining. But for the most part they kind of got the story right, which was, there was a, a y- And by the way, there was multiple sightings of UFOs in this area. In this area-

Guest 1:03:39 What area was it?

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Psh. Where was it, exactly?

Narrator 1:03:42 Uh, I wanna say like New York.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 The whole story is so fun. I want to believe it's so bad. I mean, and he, the guy's had the same story forever. He hasn't changed it. And that, that's always interesting to me that this person would, like, tell this story their whole life. I mean, here he was now, he's in this... Okay, White Mountains Northeastern Arizona.

Guest 1:04:01 Arizona. Arizona, that makes sense 'cause that's all those, like, portals, the energy portals and shit there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Yeah.

Guest 1:04:06 Right? In Sedona.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Those, who really knows about those.

Guest 1:04:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Those energy portals.

Guest 1:04:08 Right? Do people know about those? They're in Sedona there's vortexes.

1:04:11 We ran into some fucking weird shit in Arizona. The-

1:04:14 (gasps) Oh. Oh.

1:04:16 We ran into this place.

1:04:17 Okay. Okay.

1:04:18 We drove by it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 You girls are doing acid four out of five days a week.

Guest 1:04:21 No (laughs) .

1:04:22 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 You could run