Joe Rogan Experience #2000 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 5:24

   Fursuits, anonymity, and why mascots feel freeing

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music plays) Hi, Meow-Meow.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell0:13

      Hi, Ruff-Nuff.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Um, I'm so excited to be here with you today.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell0:19

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      This is our first podcast coming out as our true selves.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell0:23

      We're furries!

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Yeah, we've been holding it in forever.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell0:26

      This is my true identity, uh, and you know what? It just eats me alive to not tell how we met at a furry con.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell0:36

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Well, we didn't know that we met there. Remember?

   13. DTDuncan Trussell0:41

       Well, yeah. I didn't know who you were for a long time.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah, we didn't know. I'm like, "Oh my God, you're Meow-Meow?"

   15. DTDuncan Trussell0:46

       Dude, it blew my mind. I mean, to me, that is proof we're in a simulation.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Hmm.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell0:52

       'Cause what are the odds?

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       They're not good.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell0:56

       What are the odds, man, that I would be-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       The odds are also not good that I'm gonna keep this fucking helmet on.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell1:01

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Oh my God, I'm sweating.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell1:02

       This is, like, not good for me. I'm not keeping this on, dude. It's a fuck-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       I can barely breathe!

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:06

       How do they do it?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       I don't know. They fuck with these things on.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:09

       How do you fuck with this on? I mean-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       They're heroes.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell1:13

       N- Total respect.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Those people are heroes.
2. 5:24 – 6:35

   Human weirdness, parenting without a “license,” and raising kids in a chaotic world

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      Human beings are so weird in so many ways.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell5:28

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:29

      In so many ways. But it's like, it's so funny. It's like media, like Norman Rockwell paintings. There's this, like, image of us that we are when we're at our best.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell5:41

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      The family dinner table in a 1980s movie.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell5:44

      Yeah. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      You know? That's us when we're, we're at our best.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell5:47

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      Everyone's getting along. "How's school going, Junior?"

   10. DTDuncan Trussell5:50

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       "Junior's doing great." But the reality is, like, there's no license to get a person. You don't have a, a license to become pregnant. You don't, you don't have to go through any qualification process.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell6:01

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       It's literally the most important thing.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell6:05

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       For the future of the human race.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell6:07

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       ... that g- e- people who r- have children and raise th- ch- those children are capable of doing it. You're capable of raising a well-adjusted person.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell6:19

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Like, any person growing up f- i- as a- a human being today, baby to grown-up. Like, you're born today, and you gotta become a grown-up in this fucking wacky world?

   20. DTDuncan Trussell6:31

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Good luck being normal.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell6:34

       Oh my God.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Yeah.

3. 6:35 – 10:13

   Self-driving cars, freedom vs safety, and the future of control systems

   1. DTDuncan Trussell6:35

      This is ... Having kids right now, and like, just having, like, a- a- a- a- a vague understanding of Kurzweil's predictions for-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      Mm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell6:45

      ... the singularity.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell6:46

      And i- i- just, like, considering, like ... You know, with- with my kid, I- y- I will tell him, like, with the car, I'm like, "You know, probably when you're old enough to drive, they won't have steering wheels anymore. You're probably not gonna be driving the way I do."

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      Mm.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell7:01

      Because, definitely, don't you think, like, by-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:03

      If they can just prove ... See, there's- there's meatheads like me that'd be like, "Fuck that, bro. I wanna drive my own fucking car."

   9. DTDuncan Trussell7:10

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       But if they can eliminate all deaths, you're gonna have to take cars like that to a track. You're gonna have to do ... You're gonna have to take the cars that I enjoy-

   11. DTDuncan Trussell7:20

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       You're gonna have to take them to a track and drive them around.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell7:22

       Sure.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       They're gonna be rides. It's not gonna be your transportation.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell7:25

       You don't think, in 10 years, that it's going to-

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       It's very possible. Very possible.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell7:30

       I-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       It'll be, it'll be a civ- like a- a rule fight. Like, with, there'll- there'll be some dispute about whether or not people accept that.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell7:39

       Oh, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       That's- This- this- it's gonna be a freedom issue with a lot of folks. It's gonna be-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell7:42

       It is a freedom issue.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       It is. It ... Well, it certainly is if you have a totalitarian government, because there's only one way that a- a car can drive itself autonomously. It has to be connected to, like, insane technology-

   23. DTDuncan Trussell7:56

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       ... that allows all sorts of things, like, uh, like what a Tesla does. Like, you get updates online on your Tesla. They just send you an update.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell8:04

       Sure.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:04

       They fix things. They make things better. They make the- the auto driving feature better. In the f- e- if that's the case, like if somebody just decides to shut your car off-

   27. DTDuncan Trussell8:14

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       "You're not allowed to drive, Duncan. We don't like your views on COVID vaccines."

   29. DTDuncan Trussell8:18

       No, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Bam.
4. 10:13 – 16:04

   “Cops in the head”: narratives, empire maintenance, and drug-war cynicism

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:13

      I think the problem today is that there's- there's so many more interesting narratives than the official narrative. There's s-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell10:22

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:23

      Like it used to be that you had a president that would stand up and talk to people, and, you know, he would give these speeches that everyone would listen to.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell10:31

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:31

      And that's Eisenhower at the end of his terms when he's saying ... Y- he's warning A- America about the military-industrial complex.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell10:39

      Yeah. That's so creepy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      That there's a machine ... He's warning us, you know? That there's a machine that wants to go to war.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell10:45

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:45

      And you have to be very careful of that. He's warning us about that. And this is like ... You could tell the next president to not ever say that, and everybody else sort of steps in line. So you tell the next president, "Don't talk about that." You talk about the conflicts overseas. You talk about the- the desire to spread democracy.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell11:04

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       You're, you're talking about these people that are a threat to everyone 'cause they have weapons of mass destruction. Like you gotta-

   12. DTDuncan Trussell11:10

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       ... you gotta follow a very, very, very specific narrative.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell11:13

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       And that's all we had forever.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell11:16

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       Forever. And so there was all these people that would have cocktail parties and they would meet at coffee shops-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell11:20

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       ... and then they'd go, "Do you know what's really going on?"

   20. DTDuncan Trussell11:23

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       "'Cause this is what I think. I think the CIA is giving people LSD."

   22. DTDuncan Trussell11:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       Like, "What? What the fuck are you talking about?"

   24. DTDuncan Trussell11:29

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       You know those meetings where people in South Central were like, "I think the government's bringing drugs in here," and everybody was like, "No fucking way."

   26. DTDuncan Trussell11:37

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       "No way. They wouldn't do that."

   28. DTDuncan Trussell11:39

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       "They wouldn't do that." But if you were ... I mean, look, let's- let's pretend you're a really good guy and you're a government agent.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell11:47

       Right.
5. 16:04 – 27:36

   Karma, reincarnation, epigenetics, and why violence repeats

   1. DTDuncan Trussell16:04

      Absolutely, man. Yeah. You do, you do have to... I mean, there's just no way around it. This is why I think karma is a wonderful and perfect way to articulate this. It's just, like, where you're at, everything around you, that's your karma.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:19

      Hmm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell16:19

      Like, that's you. This is your karma. And then I love that, 'cause it keeps me from, like, going, "Victim." You know? When I loo-... You look around at everything, and you're like, "Whatever it is. Good? You did that for yourself. Bad? You did that to yourself, and you just have to deal with it."

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:36

      Hmm.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell16:37

      But, you know, there's enou-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:37

      But not necessarily, right? C- babies get shot in drive-bys.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell16:41

      Well, yeah. Okay, yes. The baby thing, I mean, I'd, I, I've he-... Uh, there's some, like, theoretical... There's two ways to look at it. One, Occam's razor. It's the same problem like theists face in trying to explain why awful things happen to babies.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:56

      Y- you know what I think?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell16:57

      What?

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       I think karma's an element.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell17:00

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       It's an element of existence. But it's not, it's not a rule. It's like th- evil people live to be 100 and get away with it.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell17:08

       Well, for karma to really work, you need reincarnation.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Oh.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell17:11

       That's where the math goes into the unquantifiable.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Okay.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell17:13

       So, like, so for karma to really work th-... I mean, it c- it could work in a very simple, mechanistic way with just one life. But the idea is that there's different types of karma. So, there's the karma that's happening right now. This is, like, f- flowering karma. But there's karma, like seeds of shit that you did a while ago. Like, when all of a sudden, like, someone calls you up and is like, "Hey, I'm your son." And you're like, "What?" Like, "Yeah. I'm your kid." That's, that's like a... That seed has been in you, and then it grows into the present moment.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       Yeah.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell17:48

       That's... And then there's karma that's the same idea but from past lives. So, that's where it gets really fucking weird. And I guess there's some, like, very blurry way you could connect that to epigenetics.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Hmm.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell18:02

       You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's... Like, epigenetics is sort of the, the, the r- way, like, you get reincarnation into biology.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       Hmm.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell18:10

       Except it's obviously not reincarnation. It's your ancestors.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       Right.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell18:13

       But it's essentially the same concept, except one is quantifiable. The other is mystical.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       I wonder if, if, if epigenetics is-... if you're, if you're imparting-

   27. DTDuncan Trussell18:26

       Well-

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       ... some of your mind, some of your thinking to a child-

   29. DTDuncan Trussell18:32

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       ... would, uh, I wonder what effect it would have at the age you were when you had the child.
6. 27:36 – 33:48

   Ancient mysteries and “missing hard drives”: underground megastructures & lost history

   1. DTDuncan Trussell27:36

      Dude, it's so funny that we ha- that on our planet are all of these megastructures that we just are like, "Uh, I don't really know." (laughs) It's just that always blows my mind that, like, all over the planet-

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:50

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell27:50

      ... signs of-

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:52

      Did you see that one I posted on Instagram the other day?

   5. DTDuncan Trussell27:54

      No.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:54

      Oh my God, this is fucking insane.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell27:56

      What is it?

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:57

      Um, oh, shit.

   9. NANarrator28:00

      (laughs)

   10. DTDuncan Trussell28:01

       What?

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       Where'd I leave my phone?

   12. DTDuncan Trussell28:03

       You've got... There's a phone right there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:04

       Where? Oh. Wha- s-... It was hidden by my mic. Sorry. I'll f- I'm gonna send it to Jamie right now, 'cause... You got it? Yeah. So check this out. Pro- give me some volume on this.

   14. NANarrator28:17

       ... central Java's lush Kedu Plains in pursuit of this mythical peak near the little settlement of Borobudur. They chopped and burned the strangling vegetation for six weeks and removed tons of volcanic ash. What they discovered were marvelous figures cut in stone, thousands of them hidden beneath the volcanic jungle.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell28:34

       Buddha.

   16. NANarrator28:34

       Believed to have been built in the 8th and 9th century, the Borobudur temple is an uncontested marvel whose intricate architecture continues to confound scholars. Despite being one of the most important sites on Java, there is no written record of who erected it or what its intended purpose was. Because there are no inscriptions or dates on the monument, historians must make educated guesses as to when it was most likely created. The dating estimates are based purely off of architectural comparisons found elsewhere in Indonesia. Given the magnitude of the construction, it appears remarkable that no ruler or dynasty took credit for it. Borobudur is the world's biggest Buddhist temple, and yet nobody knows who built it.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell29:11

       Whoa.

   18. NANarrator29:13

       On the Indonesian-

   19. DTDuncan Trussell29:14

       That's cool.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:15

       Yeah. Jamie, I'm sending you another one right now. I mean, there's a bunch of these things. There's a bunch of things like that. They d- they're just like, "I don't know." Like-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell29:24

       So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:24

       ... who made this?

   23. DTDuncan Trussell29:25

       ... okay. What are your thoughts on mudflood?

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:28

       What's mudflood?

   25. DTDuncan Trussell29:29

       Mudflood theory.

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:30

       Oh.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell29:32

       The, the, the, like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:32

       Well, I think that goes along with the Younger Dryas impact theory, right?

   29. DTDuncan Trussell29:34

       Yeah, but m- mudh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:35

       But check this out though real quick. I want you to watch this 'cause this is fucking bananas. Same account.
7. 33:48 – 39:17

   Impermanence, the pandemic shock, and the appeal of psilocybin reality-checks

   1. DTDuncan Trussell33:48

      Assimilates everything. The... You know, there's like this... Humans have this interesting, like, temporal blindness. Like, the, the way that we... the way time passes for us-

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:00

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell34:00

      ... produces the illusion of solidity. And so-

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:04

      Mm-hmm.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell34:04

      ... that makes... That confuses people, because they think that there's permanence here, when if we could just see... If we lived longer and we could see time faster, we would feel-

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:15

      Yeah.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell34:15

      ... like we were in some kind of, like, ocean of, like, undulating matter with these voids in it that we hang out in, like little bubbles in the ocean.

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:24

      Hmm.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell34:24

      That's what we build our houses in. We wouldn't look at this place as solid. We wouldn't think of it as, like, permanent. This is why everyone was so, like, fucked up by the pandemic. It's 'cause, you know, you watch enough TV, you buy into the permanence of civilization. Suddenly, civilization, like, has a little, little rumble, like a little rat-... Like a, a house that needs some kind of serious repair. It shifts on its... It shifts a little bit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:51

       Yeah.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell34:51

       And, and everyone was, like, reminded, yeah, this, this doesn't last any more than any of that shit lasted. And I think that's very disturbing for people who've really anchored themselves in some notion of permanence here.

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:04

       Yeah.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell35:04

       Freaks people out.

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:05

       Well, I think that was a great ad for psilocybin.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell35:09

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:11

       (laughs)

   17. DTDuncan Trussell35:11

       (laughs) Psilocybin.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       That's what that was. That was an awesome ad for psilocybin.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell35:15

       Ozempic now has psilocybin in it, which is incredible.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       That's better. That's better. You realize why you're fat.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell35:25

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:26

       (laughs) It'll show you everything.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell35:29

       (gasps)

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       It'll show you all the wires-

   25. DTDuncan Trussell35:31

       You need it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       ... underneath the board.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell35:33

       Dude-

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       Yeah.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell35:33

       ... the, the whole thing... Like, this, this is what I... one of the really funny things about humans. We are capable of ignoring internal realities.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:42

       Yeah.
8. 39:17 – 44:46

   Adversity as fertilizer: health turns, physical struggle, and the ‘body as a dog’

   1. DTDuncan Trussell39:17

      It made you, like, less... Like, n- dude, once I got my ball cut off, that was a fucking game-changer, dude. Because, like, you just- you just learn how to be in the present moment.

   2. JRJoe Rogan39:28

      Mm-hmm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell39:28

      Like, you can't get off. You- you- you've- you've- you've, like, your illusion of immortality is destroyed.

   4. JRJoe Rogan39:35

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell39:36

      And you need that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan39:36

      Yeah.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell39:36

      Like, it's really not good if you think you're gonna live forever.

   8. JRJoe Rogan39:39

      I think that's one of the good things about jujitsu. You almost get close to death.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell39:45

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan39:46

       All the time.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell39:47

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan39:48

       You know? And you're so exhausted that you- it's easier to live in the moment. You're so less anxious.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell39:54

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan39:55

       Eh-thin- I mean, I know I'm fucking beating a dead horse, but I think people need physical struggle. Not- not just even exercise. I think you need exercise, but you need- you need you need exercise that's rigorous.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell40:08

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan40:09

       You know? And if you can only do walks, that's cool. Do that. It's definitely better than not doing that.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell40:13

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan40:13

       Walks are great. Look at Al Pacino. He looked great out there. I bet he's got a trainer.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell40:17

       Look, I- I think-

   20. JRJoe Rogan40:18

       But point is, like, it helps your anxiety. It helps- it helps what you think in a big way. And, uh, I'm thinking about it right now because, uh, I hurt my back a couple days ago. Like, actually, it's about a week now. Uh, deadlifting. Shouldn't have done it. Just too-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell40:32

       That will fuck you up.

   22. JRJoe Rogan40:33

       Stupid. Stupid. Um, and, um, it's not bad, but it's annoying. And it- it- it's waking me up to this, like, reality of what happens when you don't work out for a few days, 'cause I haven't really been able to work out. And, uh, I just started doing some stuff. I found out I- I can do some stuff. I just gotta be careful 'cause I don't wanna re-aggravate it, you know? 'Cause I don't want it to take longer than it... So two days in a row, I didn't work out, which is really rare for me. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, "I don't feel good." Like, I feel like, "Ugh."

   23. DTDuncan Trussell41:05

       Right. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan41:05

       I feel like shitty. I feel off.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell41:07

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan41:07

       You know? Like, even the sun's o- like, peppin' me up. I go outside and stare at the sun. It's a beautiful day.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell41:12

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan41:12

       It's beautiful. Beautiful clouds in the sky. I'm like, "Eh." And I'm like, "Oh, you little pussy, you have to work out."

   29. DTDuncan Trussell41:18

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan41:18

       "You can't work out."
9. 44:46 – 51:31

   Cuckoo’s Nest re-read: domestication, the Combine, lobotomies, and electroshock history

   1. DTDuncan Trussell44:46

      Dude, w- okay. When was the last time... This connects. When was the last time you read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

   2. JRJoe Rogan44:52

      Oh, it's been a long time.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell44:53

      Okay. I, I think I must have read it when I was in high school-

   4. JRJoe Rogan44:58

      Yeah, me too.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell44:58

      ... and just didn't pay attention. It's completely different from the movie, like, 100% different. It's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Oh, maybe I never read it.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell45:06

      Ken Kesey, he would, he was like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Ken Kesey wrote it?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell45:09

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:10

       Oh, no way.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell45:11

       So, it's so psychedelic. The book is so psychedelic, but, you know, like, the, the idea is that the charac- the character of McMurphy, Jack Nicholson's character, w- and again, this is my own analysis. I don't know what the actual, like, literary analysis of it is. He represents an undomesticated human, and the people in the ward are humans that couldn't function in what he says, he calls society the Combine. They couldn't function in the Combine, so they're being brought into the asylums to get, like, re-domesticated just so they can function (laughs) in the Combine. And he represents, like, an undomesticated human who enters into, like, a conditioning center designed to melt people back down, build them back up, and send them out into the world and be good, functioning, domesticated humans. It's so good. It's so subversive, dude. It's such a brilliant, like... I, it, it's so funny how different the movie is from it. Like, it-

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       Wow.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell46:12

       ... like Nurse Ratched, and again, because the, uh, narrator is Chief, that Native Am- the big Native American dude who was in the movie-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Mm-hmm.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell46:20

       ... that's the narrator of the book. It's being told from his perspective.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       Oh.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell46:25

       So you don't know, like, how much of what he's reporting is real and how much is, like, he's in a m- mental asylum, right? (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Oh, my God. That's amazing.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell46:33

       I know. It's so good. But according to him, Nurse Ratched can control time. She-

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       Oh. (laughs)

   21. DTDuncan Trussell46:41

       (laughs) -

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       Oh.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell46:41

       She'll speed up time so that, like, a year goes by in a day, or slow down time so that, like, like, uh, uh, a second lasts, like, 10 years. And that's how, that's just one of the many ways that they're, she's basically torturing the people in the ward.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       Oh, my God.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell46:58

       Just constantly giving them drugs, tying them to their beds, and, and always this threat. This, like, threat is hovering, which is, "If you fuck up too much, if you get too angry at Nurse Ratched, who is a monster..." Essentially, the way he describes it is it's the Demiurge, it's just the Antichrist. Then you know what happens? They're gonna fucking give you a lobotomy.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       (gasps)

   27. DTDuncan Trussell47:20

       They're gonna cut out your brain, turn you into a zombie.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       Oh, my God.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell47:24

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:24

       And, you know, they really did that.
10. 51:31 – 55:09

    Feral children and social shaping: wolves, identity, and who you become around

    1. JRJoe Rogan51:31

       I didn't want to interrupt your rant. Um, I posted this something, I retweeted something the other day about this boy that was raised by wolves in India.

    2. DTDuncan Trussell51:38

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:39

       Have you ever seen that?

    4. DTDuncan Trussell51:40

       No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:41

       G- see if you can find that from a, a few days ago. I retweeted it. I want to know if it's true. And it's (laughs) felt like I was too lazy to Google it. I was like-

    6. DTDuncan Trussell51:52

       I'm just breaking up with a podcast.

    7. NANarrator51:53

       He's just kind of interested.

    8. DTDuncan Trussell51:53

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:54

       Well, I just retweeted it. I f- I, um, take no responsibility for retweets.

    10. DTDuncan Trussell51:58

        It's the best way to fact check, is just tweet something.

    11. JRJoe Rogan52:00

        Also, retweets for me are just like, "Hmm, I think this is interesting. Maybe you will too."

    12. DTDuncan Trussell52:04

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan52:04

        That's what I do it for. So this is it. Um, the Wolf Child in 1889. Um, wow, how do you say that word?

    14. DTDuncan Trussell52:13

        Bulandashahr?

    15. JRJoe Rogan52:14

        Bulandashahr. Bulandashahr region of the Indian forest, there resided Dina Sanichar, a feral child of merely six years old. Sanichar lived amidst a wolf pack, adapting to their ways and partaking in their activities. This remarkable case serves as a vivid demonstration of the impact of environmental factors on human behavior.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell52:34

        Huh.

    17. JRJoe Rogan52:35

        It exemplifies how the availability of resources, the upbringing environment, and the ability to adapt to surroundings during childhood can shape an individual's physical and mental abilities-

    18. DTDuncan Trussell52:45

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan52:45

        ... ultimately en- ensuring survival. I mean, this is kind of what we've been talking about.

    20. DTDuncan Trussell52:51

        Yeah, totally, man.

    21. JRJoe Rogan52:53

        Look at that kid. Look at his face. That's crazy.

    22. DTDuncan Trussell52:56

        I mean, this is probably why you should be very careful about who your friends (laughs) are, because, like, you, you know, maybe we look like our dogs, but definitely, like, in a group of friends, you, like, warp. You will shift-

    23. JRJoe Rogan53:09

        Yeah.

    24. DTDuncan Trussell53:09

        ... into, like, something that, like, harmonizes with all of them. So if you-

    25. JRJoe Rogan53:13

        But how about girls who, like, become boyfriends with serial killers and they go and kill people together?

    26. DTDuncan Trussell53:19

        Dude.

    27. JRJoe Rogan53:19

        They pick up girls and kill them together.

    28. DTDuncan Trussell53:20

        So crazy.

    29. JRJoe Rogan53:21

        People have done that.

    30. DTDuncan Trussell53:22

        Crazy.
11. 55:09 – 1:12:47

    War rhetoric, propaganda vibes, and the taboo of saying “stop the killing”

    1. DTDuncan Trussell55:09

       Oh my God. Dude, did you see that weird shit with Lindsey Graham? Like, the way he's like, "We're gonna kill Russians." Like, it's the creepiest shit you ever saw.

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:18

       (sighs)

    3. DTDuncan Trussell55:18

       Did you see that?

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:19

       No, I didn't.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell55:19

       Dude, it's so spooky.

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:22

       Let me see it.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell55:23

       You'll have to... I don't know where I-

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:24

       Ugh.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell55:24

       I don't know where I saw it, but it's like, he's like with Zelenskyy and he's like-

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:27

        I just started getting a stomach ache.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell55:29

        Dude, it's-

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:29

        Just you saying that, I started getting a stomach ache.

    13. DTDuncan Trussell55:31

        The way he talks about murdering people is-

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        (sighs)

    15. DTDuncan Trussell55:34

        ... really unnerving.

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:38

        (sighs)

    17. DTDuncan Trussell55:39

        You know where I saw it? I saw it on Tucker Carlson's first Twitter episode.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:43

        Really?

    19. DTDuncan Trussell55:43

        Did you see that?

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:44

        No.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell55:44

        Tucker Carlson's new show on Twitter?

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:46

        So, what is the show?

    23. DTDuncan Trussell55:47

        It's just him, like, doing a monologue basically. It's like a monologue.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:51

        So, it's like his old show?

    25. DTDuncan Trussell55:53

        It's like his old show, but now he's been like un-muzzled.

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:58

        Oh.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell55:58

        So, it's like freebase Carlson. He's like going hard. And, you know, it's weird. It's like, these days, I think a sign that you're looking at a real journalist is you worry about them. You're like, "You, they're gonna kill-"

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:14

        Yeah.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell56:14

        "... you gotta shut up, man."

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:15

        Yeah.
12. 1:12:47 – 1:31:54

    Censorship, RFK Jr. takedowns, and pharma’s incentive to keep people sick

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:12:47

       Well, it's not when it comes to RFK Jr. They're- they're deleting his old podcasts. They deleted one from Theo Von from a year ago, and they deleted one from Hot Boxin' with Mike Tyson, which is more than a year ago too.

    2. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:00

       Weird. I did not know that.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:13:02

       They just did it.

    4. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:02

       What the fuck?

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:13:03

       They just started doing that.

    6. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:05

       That- isn't that illegal if someone's running for president to- you can't do that, right? You can't-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:13:09

       I don't know what... You could say that it's because of misinformation, and this is, you know- because he talks about vaccines, and, you know, he talks about- uh, he was an environmental attorney before he, you know, was anything. And, you know, his whole thing was trying to hold...... companies accountable for what they're doing by ruining the environment and lying about it. And for them to take that guy and say, "You can't do that with other stuff. You can't talk about other stuff." Like, how come no one wants to hear him out? How come no one wants to hear him out with, with...

    8. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:49

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:13:49

       That book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is fucking terrifying. And if it's not true, why isn't he getting sued? You know, if that book is true, if all the things that he's saying, and he has references for everything, if it's all accurate, we should all read that book. Everyone should read that book.

    10. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:07

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:14:08

        Because if it's true, it's terrifying.

    12. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:10

        I-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:14:10

        Y- you've been captured by an industry that's forced you into, into becoming a source of income for them.

    14. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:17

        Dude, censorship is ... has this component of condescension in it-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:14:23

        Mm-hmm.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:23

        ... that is really ... Like, that to me is the, the worst part, is, essentially you're saying, "You're too dumb to parse this information in a rational way."

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:14:33

        Yeah.

    18. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:33

        "So we're gonna protect you from it because it's like a poison, it's gonna infect your brain and we have to protect you."

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:14:39

        Mm-hmm.

    20. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:39

        That is really, like ... Like, first of all, if you do th- ... Like, that's bad parenting-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:14:47

        Yeah.

    22. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:47

        ... in general. You know what I mean? Like, the idea would be that you, like, teach your kid to confront false things.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:14:53

        Mm-hmm.

    24. DTDuncan Trussell1:14:54

        Learn why they're not real, and then instead of, like, trying to prevent your kid from seeing, like, everything.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:15:01

        Yeah.

    26. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:01

        You know? Obvi- ... I mean, I don't ... Obviously, like, I'm not letting my kid watch Blade Runner or some shit like that. But just that if you get too overprotective with your kids, like try to hide death from them, for example.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:15:12

        Yeah.

    28. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:12

        That sort of thing. Like, you gotta trust we can deal with it, that it's, it's safe for us to encounter all forms of information.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:15:20

        Well, the problem is-

    30. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:22

        What?

Episode duration: 3:37:58