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Joe Rogan Experience #2005 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a stand-up comic, actor, podcaster, and author. He co-hosts two podcasts, "Your Mom's House," with his wife, comic Christina Pazsitsky, and "Two Bears, One Cave," with comic Bert Kreischer. He's also the host of his own podcast, "Tom Segura en Español," and is the author of "I'd Like to Play Alone, Please: Essays." His new comedy special, "Tom Segura: Sledgehammer," premieres July 4 on Netflix. www.tomsegura.com

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  1. 0:00 – 1:09

    Consistency mindset: fitness as a daily practice

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeehaw, what's up, Tommy Fun?

    3. TS

      What's up, my man?

    4. JR

      How are you, my brother? What's cracking?

    5. TS

      I'm doing well. I'm super stoked, man. Thanks for having me.

    6. JR

      Lookin' good, lookin' lean.

    7. TS

      Grrr.

    8. JR

      You've- you've fucking stuck with it, man. You fuckin' stuck with it.

    9. TS

      Try to. Yeah, I've- I've been working hard at it, actually.

    10. JR

      It's crazy. I mean, you're so- you've been so consistent, it's amazing.

    11. TS

      Isn't that weird how that works? (laughs)

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. TS

      That's what, uh- that's what I- I've said that to a few people, and they're like, "Yeah, that's- that's what happ-" I mean, I don't know. I just keep- I think I had this, um- I- I don't know if I told you, like this mentality before, where I would go- if I got to a- a number on the scale, I thought of it as, like, a finish line.

    14. JR

      Right.

    15. TS

      I didn't realize I was doing it, but I was. I was going, "Oh, I got there."

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. TS

      And then you just kinda go, "Well, if you're done, you're done."

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      And then you just kind of ... regress.

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. TS

      So I just realize now that it's just- it is- it is every day.

    22. JR

      It is life.

    23. TS

      It's life, it's part of life, yeah.

  2. 1:09 – 3:07

    Delayed gratification, rest days, and the mental health effect of exercise

    1. JR

      Yeah, if you can think about it that way. Y- also, you gotta think about it like d- delayed gratitude. Delayed gratitude's a very important concept if you wanna-

    2. TS

      Yes.

    3. JR

      ... have a happy life. You can't just have gratitude in front of your face all the time.

    4. TS

      No.

    5. JR

      Y- you'll- you'll just be a mess. You want delayed gratitude, and sp- specifically for your physical health, 'cause you don't feel good in- in the end of the day, like unless you've y- y- when I don't work out, if I have a day that I blow it off-

    6. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      ... which is rare, but it does happen-

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... if I blow it off, at the end of the day I feel like a loser. (laughs)

    10. TS

      Yes.

    11. JR

      And I know that's stupid. I know it's stupid, but it's that feeling inside of you that you didn't get ahead.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You didn't- you didn't- I mean ... It's one thing if it's a- like, I need a rest day. Rest days, I can- I love 'em, let me watch TV, I watch a movie.

    14. TS

      Sure.

    15. JR

      I- I indulge in those days.

    16. TS

      And you gotta listen to your body on that, for sure.

    17. JR

      Yes. And also your mind.

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      I think your mind needs rest days.

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      I- I- I enjoy a rest day now. Really, I- I fucking ... But, if you d- if you don't do the things you know you're supposed to do, you have that fucking nagging thing in your head. And that thing in your head, that nagging thing, that's hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of your day.

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Whereas, the workout, you could just get 20 minutes in.

    24. TS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      And that- that feeling's gone.

    26. TS

      Totally.

    27. JR

      Just get 20 minutes in.

    28. TS

      There's the- there's the "I feel like a loser" thing that also, but there's also this even, like, another layer to it, where on days when I don't do anything physical, and it's like- it's towards the end of the day, I kinda go like, "What's wrong with me?"

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TS

      You know, and like other- like, Christina might be like, "What's going on with you?"

  3. 3:07 – 5:10

    Cold plunges as a mood/reset button and productivity hack

    1. JR

      You gotta fucking do it. You don't wanna do it, y- you do it, then you feel better afterwards. Like, in little bursts of that's how I feel every time I get in that stupid cold plunge.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Every time, I don't wanna do it; every time I do it, I don't wanna do it.

    4. TS

      It always sucks.

    5. JR

      Sucks. It never feels good.

    6. TS

      We had this thing where we were doing- we had to bank episodes of our podcast, so that means we were going into the studio at like, I don't know, 9:00 or 10:00 and then just spending the day there, right? And I knew that when I got home, I'd be wiped, and we got- you know, we'd be with the kids and we gotta do dinner and get them ready for bed. So I was like, "I'm just gonna get up." And so every day, I just got up a little earlier, cold plunge first, so it's like that was my morning coffee-

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TS

      ... it was the first thing I did.

    9. JR

      Wake's you right the fuck up.

    10. TS

      Right the fuck up. And then right to the gym.

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. TS

      And so then I would ar- I would arrive at the studio in the best mood.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. TS

      Just like, really in a great mood.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TS

      And then I would zip through the day, and I mean, even they were like, "Wow, you're like, nice." (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. TS

      You know? Like the staff, they're like ...

    19. JR

      Dude, it's like a p- if you could take that in a pill form, it would be the most popular pill in the world.

    20. TS

      100%.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. TS

      No question, yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah. And we're not talking about, like, being a bodybuilder. We're not talking about killing yourself.

    24. TS

      No.

    25. JR

      Just getting your heart pumping, getting your sweat going, get those muscles moving, exert yourself.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      I mean, God, you could be just- I can get a fucking pretty good workout in in 20 minutes.

    28. TS

      You can- you can definitely get your heart going and sweat.

    29. JR

      Yeah, if I'm fucking super pressed for time.

    30. TS

      You know what's crazy is, um, if you- when I work out right after cold plunging, y- I- sometimes, you're like, "Wait, how come I'm not sweating?" And you don't realize-

  4. 5:10 – 7:04

    Training details: heat vs cold, sauna cardio, and hot yoga nostalgia

    1. TS

      Yeah, that is cool. I- I- I- this- one of the only times that I really don't mind heat, like real heat, is during workouts.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. TS

      I like working out in heat.

    4. JR

      It's good for you.

    5. TS

      I do not like a cold gym.

    6. JR

      No.

    7. TS

      When the air conditioning's blasting in a gym-

    8. JR

      No.

    9. TS

      ... I don't like that.

    10. JR

      No, I don't like that either. I liked ... You know Kronk Gym, uh, where Tommy Hearns used to train? They always kept-

    11. TS

      Uh, yeah.

    12. JR

      ... the temperature very high.

    13. TS

      They did?

    14. JR

      Yeah, they kept it like 95 degrees.

    15. TS

      Whoa.

    16. JR

      Yeah, in Detroit. And the reason- well, Emanuel Stewart was a genius, a boxing genius, but also a genius physically. He- he knew, it's just like working out in a sauna. Like the sauna actually gives you cardiovascular benefit just sitting there, because your heart's beating faster 'cause it's trying to- body's trying to cool you off.

    17. TS

      Right.

    18. JR

      And you're hot as fuck, you know. I've- I've had the heart strap on in the sauna and it got up to 147 degrees.... or excuse me, 147 beats per minute.

    19. TS

      Just sitting there?

    20. JR

      Yeah, just sitting there.

    21. TS

      Yeah, your body's like-

    22. JR

      Just sitting there. Yeah.

    23. TS

      ... "What's happening?"

    24. JR

      Especially 'cause you're doing it after a workout.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      So, I'm already fucking exhausted. And then I get in that oven-

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      ... for 20 minutes, and at the end of that 20 minutes, my heart is jacked.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      So, it's all... You're getting static cardio just sitting there.

  5. 7:04 – 7:59

    Hydration routines: electrolytes, travel habits, and cramp prevention

    1. JR

      Just feels so good. Do you f- do you take, um, electrolytes?

    2. TS

      I do, every day.

    3. JR

      Yeah?

    4. TS

      I travel with the packets and everything.

    5. JR

      Which ones are you taking?

    6. TS

      Um, I have liquid IV.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TS

      I take those pouches with me everywhere.

    9. JR

      Yeah. I take those, too.

    10. TS

      Um, yeah, and I also take them. I have a big one before bed, and I fill up, like, a big canteen.

    11. JR

      Oh, yeah?

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Do you have to get up to piss in the middle of the night?

    14. TS

      Yes. Um, but not-

    15. JR

      That's annoying.

    16. TS

      It's annoying. Not too, too much. I mean, I don't do it, like, right before bed, but, like, I have an evening one.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TS

      Because I, I, I remembered even from, like, high school football in Florida that they would go, "If you're cramping, it's too late to start."

    19. JR

      Mm.

    20. TS

      Like, you start taking electrolytes. It's not gonna help you then. It's all about, like, the prep for it.

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. TS

      So, like, you, that day before you exert yourself, electrolyte boost is what's gonna help you more.

    23. JR

      Mm.

    24. TS

      You know? So, I always try to do it, like, at night too.

    25. JR

      That makes sense. Just keeping a steady state-

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... in, in your body.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Yeah, it should be something that you take every day.

  6. 7:59 – 11:41

    Food discipline, injury as a turning point, and Bert Kreischer as comic foil

    1. TS

      But the big thing, dude, like, I never, I never hated... I wasn't one of those people who's like, "I hate the gym," or, "I hate working out." It really is being consistent with food too.

    2. JR

      Hm.

    3. TS

      That's a big thing.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. TS

      If you're s- like, I didn't realize how much I... Well, I knew I was eating poorly a lot. I was just like, had no sense of, like, portion control.

    6. JR

      What turned it around? Was it those contests? Was it the weight loss contest?

    7. TS

      I guess it's a little bit of everything. I think, actually, getting severely injured.

    8. JR

      Oh.

    9. TS

      And, and, like, just being, like... First of all, I think hearing people being like, "Oh, you're really gonna fall apart now. Like, now that you're-

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. TS

      ... you've been injured, you're gonna be a mess. You're gonna gain, like, 100 pounds."

    12. JR

      Hmm.

    13. TS

      Like, people would say that.

    14. JR

      Who said that to you, Bert?

    15. TS

      Uh, actually, actually his wife.

    16. JR

      (laughs) His wife said that to you?

    17. TS

      Yeah, yeah. She's-

    18. JR

      Jesus Christ.

    19. TS

      But, but she was just, like, in the moment saying it. But no, she wasn't the only one.

    20. JR

      "You're gonna gain 100 pounds."

    21. TS

      She was like, "You're gonna get real fat, Tom."

    22. JR

      "You're gonna be fatter than my husband."

    23. TS

      Yeah. And I was like-

    24. JR

      "And we're gonna make fun of you."

    25. TS

      I was like, "That's impossible."

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. TS

      So, but it wasn't even just that, you know? It was, like, other people too. Other people were like, "Oh, yeah, you're..." I mean, I would see it, like when I open up Twitter or something.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. TS

      They're like, "This dude's about to be a fucking whale." Like, you know, like...

    30. JR

      Wow.

  7. 11:41 – 16:55

    Taking the leap: leaving stable jobs for comedy and the rise of podcasts

    1. JR

      You know, and then you go back to him taking that chance and leaving the Travel Channel.

    2. TS

      Yeah. It was a big, uh, it was a big risk on his part, actually, 'cause there, that's, that's the equivalent of... 'Cause we all knew comics like this, and it was, it's, uh, it's just the reality of what it is. When you're, when you start working as a comedian, and your, you have, like, your circle of friends...... there's this, a nu- a number of them who, like, as you start to do road gigs, and these are low-paying. I'm not s-... You're not a ticket-seller, you're just doing these gigs. And you're like, "Uh, are you gonna do, you know, some of these gigs?" And they're like, "Nah, like, I have this job." And, and the job provides the, you know, the consistency and the comfort.

    3. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. TS

      It's, it's reliable. They're like, "Oh, I get my paycheck."

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. TS

      And then what happens is, you doing these low... Like, they're making more money than you, right, 'cause you're doing, like, the bullshit comic. But then, like, your comedy starts to get better 'cause you're doing standup all the time. And then you get more opportunities, and then they're, they go, like, "Hey, I wanna do that."

    7. JR

      Right.

    8. TS

      But, like, five years have gone by.

    9. JR

      Right.

    10. TS

      And you're like, "Yeah, but you've been in this day job."

    11. JR

      Yes.

    12. TS

      Right? And then, all the sudden, you know, you're getting opportunities to do TV specials, or, like, comics.

    13. JR

      They want you to just grab their hand.

    14. TS

      Yeah, yeah. And then they go-

    15. JR

      And take them with you on the road.

    16. TS

      ... "What happened?" You're like, "Well, you didn't take the leap."

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      You know? And Bert kind of had that comfort of that TV show.

    19. JR

      Yeah. It's-

    20. TS

      It's a good check. It's not like... It's not a bullshit check. It's a good-

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. TS

      It's a good living.

    23. JR

      It's on TV. Yeah.

    24. TS

      Yeah. But when, when he decided, "No, no, I gotta go make a full leap," that was... That's a, that's a leap, you know?

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. TS

      That's, that's a leap. And then it paid off, obviously, tremendously.

    27. JR

      Yeah, I... Y- you know the story. I called him up when he was on a motorcycle-

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... in Vietnam.

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  8. 16:55 – 19:36

    Aging, modern convenience, and how different eras would break you

    1. JR

      And then you could eventually make more money doing that. But the more money thing... The most important thing is, what are you... Are you doing what you want to do? 'Cause we don't have much time. We just don't. I'm 55. I'll be 56 in a month. That's 56. That's old as shit.

    2. TS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      When I was a kid, I thought 56 pe-... 8-year-old people were archaic wrecks-

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... that were... that could barely stand up, you know?

    6. TS

      Turnout.

    7. JR

      You're, you're in the doctor's office every couple of weeks. Something's falling apart. Oh.

    8. TS

      Yeah, but look at you, man. You're happy.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. TS

      You're thriving.

    11. JR

      Luckily.

    12. TS

      Luckily.

    13. JR

      I, I got lucky. I, I hit the, the science-

    14. TS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... and knowledge-

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... and, uh, you know, fitness world-

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... and vitamin supplementation, hormone supplementation. All of it came right when I got old.

    20. TS

      Right.

    21. JR

      It's like, "Whee."

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      I just rode the wave. Da, da, da, da, da, da.

    24. TS

      That's true.

    25. JR

      Da, da.

    26. TS

      Some of this stuff is just, like, the luck of timing, right?

    27. JR

      100%.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      100%.

    30. TS

      Well, also our lives... I think about this all the time. If we were exactly the same guys we are now, but we were at this age in, like, 1999.

  9. 19:36 – 23:57

    Tom’s injury deep dive: patellar tendon rupture, arm nerve damage, and recovery tech

    1. TS

      It's, it's really incredible, 'cause you know the, you know one of the things that's kind of interesting? I had a double whammy, right? When I got injured, I tore my patellar tendon on my leg.

    2. JR

      Right. At the same time.

    3. TS

      Patellar tendon tear is not like a MCL, ACL. It, that leg is completely useless.

    4. JR

      Hm.

    5. TS

      Like, there's no hinge anymore.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. TS

      So your knee doesn't... Your, it just hangs.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TS

      Right? So you have to reattach the tendon, and for that to heal and be able to, to use it again, it takes... Just, just for it to heal takes about two months. Then your muscle has atrophied completely, like your quad is completely atrophied.

    10. JR

      Hm.

    11. TS

      So then you have to learn how to walk and learn how to do steps again, and learn how to, like, you know... Like, it's a complete, complete, like, debilitating type of injury. So when I got ... And they were at, they're both at the same time. So when I got injured, all the people in the hospital, doctors, PTs, they all looked at my arm and they're like, "That's not gonna be a problem." Right? And you think about it, you're like, yeah, you see people in casts all the time, they're like, "You'll be fine with that. That leg, that's gonna be your, your problem." And it ended up being the opposite.

    12. JR

      Really?

    13. TS

      I still-

    14. JR

      Oh, that's hard because of the nerve damage.

    15. TS

      I still have problems.

    16. JR

      Yeah?

    17. TS

      I still have nerve issues, yeah, and I-

    18. JR

      How bad is it now?

    19. TS

      Well, you know an interesting thing? Remember we did Sober October?

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. TS

      You remember, like, I showed you me doing pushups with my shirt off?

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. TS

      So, like, my left rhomboid wasn't even firing.

    24. JR

      Hmm.

    25. TS

      Right? So what happens is, when you're, when you have, like, a muscle... A nerve sends a signal to your muscle. If there's nerve trouble going to that muscle, the muscle just doesn't fire. So I, when I was doing pushups, because that wasn't firing, you have other muscles that compensate. That's the way your body works, right? So, like, if you're going like this and that rhomboid doesn't fire, then, like, your lat starts to pick up for it.

    26. JR

      Oh.

    27. TS

      Right? So it's like ... And it's doing it-

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. TS

      ... uh, like, unbeknownst to your mind.

    30. JR

      Right.

  10. 23:57 – 43:34

    Carnivore-ish eating: inflammation, wheat/glyphosate, and breaking sugar habits

    1. JR

      Dude, that carnivore diet kills all that.

    2. TS

      Really?

    3. JR

      You just can't overeat. You don't overeat. It's wild.

    4. TS

      Are you doing that right now?

    5. JR

      Yeah. It's wild. I know when to stop eating. It's like a... If I am eating, um, say, like, a steak and mashed potatoes and french fries and other stuff, and bread, bread and butter, I'll just keep eating the mashed pota- even after I'm done eating steak.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      I'll keep eating fries, I'll, I'll have-

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... another piece of bread. And all that stuff is just empty calories. Yeah, it's carbohydrates, it's not empty, but it's just...... it's unnecessary. You're eating more than your body's gonna burn off, and you're just- it's just, for me, it's gluttony.

    10. TS

      What's a normal day for your eating? Like, what, what do you-

    11. JR

      Just-

    12. TS

      What's breakfast?

    13. JR

      Today was, uh, nilgai steaks and bacon. So I cooked, uh, a couple of these small nilgai steak. Nilgai is, uh, an antelope-

    14. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      ... that I shot in Texas.

    16. TS

      Oh, wow.

    17. JR

      So, uh, I fried that, and fried... I fried bacon first, and then I cooked the nilgai in bacon fat, 'cause you need fat. Nilgai is a very lean animal, and if you're in, uh, you know, a fat-burning st- state, which is what I'm in right now-

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... you have to have some sort of fats. So, like, I like avocado oil, um, I like some of that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise. It's made with avocado oil. I'm not, like, avoiding vegetables per se, but I'm 100% I'm avoiding bread and pasta, and, and all that other bullshit. And just-

    20. TS

      Yes.

    21. JR

      ... when I e- if I have a, like... I'll have a piece of asparagus every now and then, I'm- but I'm not, like, thinking about vegetables. I take a shit ton of vitamins.

    22. TS

      You take fruit?

    23. JR

      I take-

    24. TS

      You eat fruit too?

    25. JR

      Yeah, I eat fruit.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      When I want to.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      But most of my meals are steak and eggs.

    30. TS

      Steak and eggs.

  11. 43:34 – 50:45

    Student debt, bankruptcy rules, and what schools don’t teach

    1. TS

      I mean, I gotta say, that also reminds me of this, you know, and I know this will be unpopular for a lot of people to hear, but the idea of forgiving, uh, student loans. It's a fantastic theory, but one thing that nobody considers, who is a huge advocate of that, is, okay, so somebody owns that debt. That debt is owned. So, are you saying, when you say forgive, who are you saying will... Are you saying that the government will just pay all of that debt? Do you have an i- idea the amount of debt that that is? Somebody owns the debt. So, you, if you go, "Forgive the debt," to what degree? Like, are you just saying erase it? It doesn't just disappear. The debt is owned.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. TS

      So, when you say, "Just pay it," who? Who are you saying will pay it, in taxes?

    4. JR

      Right, everybody's gonna pay it then.

    5. TS

      Right, so-

    6. JR

      (clears throat)

    7. TS

      ... the debt just doesn't g- g- get erased, is my point.

    8. JR

      But there is a bizarre issue with student loan debt, that student loan debt is the only debt that you can't declare bankruptcy.

    9. TS

      Yeah, that part is-

    10. JR

      That's crazy.

    11. TS

      That's crazy.

    12. JR

      It's crazy.

    13. TS

      That's crazy.

    14. JR

      That doesn't make any sense.

    15. TS

      But when you say forgive it, you, it's not just... Like, I think a lot of people say that and they go, "I just don't want to pay this." Yeah, of course, I understand that.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TS

      But you realize that somebody has to pay it. Debt just, it doesn't just go into the sky.

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. TS

      Somebody owns that debt. So, who's gonna pay it? Is, if you say that the, the government will forgive student loans, I mean, that amount has to be in, like, the trillions.

    20. JR

      Wonder what it is. Let's find out. What's the collective student loan debt in the United States as of 20-

    21. GI

      I think, you know, there is a differentiation in this conversation, that it's federal student loan debt, not private student loan debt-

    22. TS

      Hmm.

    23. GI

      ... which is a big difference.

    24. TS

      Hmm.

    25. JR

      Okay.

    26. GI

      That, that's companies that do on that debt, versus, like, the government that granted-

    27. TS

      So, this is just federal-

    28. GI

      ... stuff like that.

    29. TS

      ... federal-

    30. GI

      Um.

  12. 50:45 – 54:19

    Sharing information vs scarcity mindset; comedy mentorship and the club ‘hang’

    1. TS

      Oh, yeah. Well, that's when you... Uh, that's one of my big, like, the litmus test for a good person, like, when I th- when I go, "This is a cool motherfucker," is people who are willing to share information.

    2. JR

      Hmm.

    3. TS

      It's a, it's a really, like, it's a gauge-

    4. JR

      Yes.

    5. TS

      ... for, like, a solid person-

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TS

      ... is when you go like, like, "How did you, uh, how'd you build this studio?" There's the person who goes, "Uh, sh- takes work. I had my, my guys."

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. TS

      And you're like, "All right."

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      Right? That's them going like-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. TS

      ... "I'm not gonna tell you."

    14. JR

      Right. Exactly.

    15. TS

      "That's mine."

    16. JR

      Exactly.

    17. TS

      And then, there's the person who's like, "Here's his card. Give him a call. He's awesome."

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      It's like people who share information, whatever it is-

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. TS

      ... are the people who don't have that insecurity that, like, "Well, if, if you have it, then it's no longer mine."

    22. JR

      Right. And by the way, it's only good. It's good for the person, like say if it's your- it's someone who does something. You need a na- a mechanic. I have the best fucking mechanic-

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... in Austin. This guy's the shit.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      I'll tell you about him. I'll fucking-

    27. TS

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      You know? And then, if you do that and then he gets work.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      And then, he goes, "Oh, Joe says you're awesome."

  13. 54:19 – 1:13:34

    Tony Woods and the talent vs popularity divide in the internet era

    1. JR

      It's so nice. But the, the, just the, uh, to be able to be around those guys all the time. Rich Vos was in last week.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Oh my God, he's fun.

    4. TS

      I was, uh-

    5. JR

      I think Tony Woods is there this weekend.

    6. TS

      I was trying to... 'Cause I only came in for the night, um, but I, I was trying to make it last night and I got delayed. I couldn't come in.

    7. JR

      Is Tony Woods there this weekend?

    8. NA

      I believe so.

    9. JR

      Tony Woods is a funny motherfucker.

    10. TS

      Tony Woods is so funny.

    11. JR

      Oh my God, he's so good. I was so excited to get him in here. He went to the Vulcan. That fucking guy went, went on, onstage at the Vulcan with some shit that he was just talking about in the green room. Like, we- it ju- and to sum th- not a bit.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      He did it organic.

    14. TS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And then, went onstage and was killing for five minutes with it.

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Just so smooth.

    18. TS

      He's so smooth.

    19. JR

      So... What a veteran. Tony was a veteran when I met him.

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      So I met him in, like, '90...... '92?

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      '91? Somewhere around there?

    24. TS

      And no, and no, like, arrogance about that guy.

    25. JR

      Sends me Bible verses.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Sends me Bible verses and tells me, "God bless me," all the time. All the time, dude. There he is.

    28. TS

      He's so- People don't even know.

    29. JR

      He's so good. Folks, if you get this... When is this coming out? Is this coming out tomorrow? Tomorrow. Yeah, so if you get this July 7th through 9th, Tony Woods at the Mothership. It's probably already sold out. Can't recommend it enough. He's so good.

    30. TS

      I did, uh, Shoreline Amphitheater in, um, Northern California. I think that's what it's called.

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