Joe Rogan Experience #2005 - Tom Segura

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeehaw, what's up, Tommy Fun?

Tom Segura 0:13 What's up, my man?

Joe Rogan 0:14 How are you, my brother? What's cracking?

Tom Segura 0:16 I'm doing well. I'm super stoked, man. Thanks for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Lookin' good, lookin' lean.

Tom Segura 0:20 Grrr.

Joe Rogan 0:20 You've- you've fucking stuck with it, man. You fuckin' stuck with it.

Tom Segura 0:24 Try to. Yeah, I've- I've been working hard at it, actually.

Joe Rogan 0:26 It's crazy. I mean, you're so- you've been so consistent, it's amazing.

Tom Segura 0:30 Isn't that weird how that works? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:33 (laughs)

Tom Segura 0:33 That's what, uh- that's what I- I've said that to a few people, and they're like, "Yeah, that's- that's what happ-" I mean, I don't know. I just keep- I think I had this, um- I- I don't know if I told you, like this mentality before, where I would go- if I got to a- a number on the scale, I thought of it as, like, a finish line.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Right.

Tom Segura 0:52 I didn't realize I was doing it, but I was. I was going, "Oh, I got there."

Joe Rogan 0:55 Right.

Tom Segura 0:56 And then you just kinda go, "Well, if you're done, you're done."

Joe Rogan 0:59 Yeah.

Tom Segura 0:59 And then you just kind of ... regress.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:03 So I just realize now that it's just- it is- it is every day.

Joe Rogan 1:07 It is life.

Tom Segura 1:07 It's life, it's part of life, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Yeah, if you can think about it that way. Y- also, you gotta think about it like d- delayed gratitude. Delayed gratitude's a very important concept if you wanna-

Tom Segura 1:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17 ... have a happy life. You can't just have gratitude in front of your face all the time.

Tom Segura 1:21 No.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Y- you'll- you'll just be a mess. You want delayed gratitude, and sp- specifically for your physical health, 'cause you don't feel good in- in the end of the day, like unless you've y- y- when I don't work out, if I have a day that I blow it off-

Tom Segura 1:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:33 ... which is rare, but it does happen-

Tom Segura 1:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34 ... if I blow it off, at the end of the day I feel like a loser. (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:37 And I know that's stupid. I know it's stupid, but it's that feeling inside of you that you didn't get ahead.

Tom Segura 1:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43 You didn't- you didn't- I mean ... It's one thing if it's a- like, I need a rest day. Rest days, I can- I love 'em, let me watch TV, I watch a movie.

Tom Segura 1:50 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:51 I- I indulge in those days.

Tom Segura 1:51 And you gotta listen to your body on that, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Yes. And also your mind.

Tom Segura 1:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55 I think your mind needs rest days.

Tom Segura 1:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57 I- I- I enjoy a rest day now. Really, I- I fucking ... But, if you d- if you don't do the things you know you're supposed to do, you have that fucking nagging thing in your head. And that thing in your head, that nagging thing, that's hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of your day.

Tom Segura 2:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Whereas, the workout, you could just get 20 minutes in.

Tom Segura 2:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17 And that- that feeling's gone.

Tom Segura 2:18 Totally.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Just get 20 minutes in.

Tom Segura 2:20 There's the- there's the "I feel like a loser" thing that also, but there's also this even, like, another layer to it, where on days when I don't do anything physical, and it's like- it's towards the end of the day, I kinda go like, "What's wrong with me?"

Joe Rogan 2:36 Yeah.

Tom Segura 2:36 You know, and like other- like, Christina might be like, "What's going on with you?"

Joe Rogan 2:40 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 2:40 And then sometimes it takes me a moment and I'll be like, "I didn't work out today."

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yup, that's what it is.

Tom Segura 2:45 And she's like- oh, I go, yes, so I have, like, this-

Joe Rogan 2:46 Mental health.

Tom Segura 2:47 Me- yeah, it's- it's fucking with my head.

Joe Rogan 2:49 Yeah.

Tom Segura 2:49 I also have this, um, like the- the anxiety has manifested itself physically, so I just have this like, "Oh, I didn't- I didn't exert myself."

Joe Rogan 2:58 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 2:58 So it's- it's all- it's all together.

Joe Rogan 3:00 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 3:00 And I go, "That's what it is." So I go, that- tomorrow morning, I gotta- I just gotta get it in right away.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Yeah, it's just one of those things, like brushing your teeth.

Tom Segura 3:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:07 You gotta fucking do it. You don't wanna do it, y- you do it, then you feel better afterwards. Like, in little bursts of that's how I feel every time I get in that stupid cold plunge.

Tom Segura 3:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Every time, I don't wanna do it; every time I do it, I don't wanna do it.

Tom Segura 3:17 It always sucks.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Sucks. It never feels good.

Tom Segura 3:20 We had this thing where we were doing- we had to bank episodes of our podcast, so that means we were going into the studio at like, I don't know, 9:00 or 10:00 and then just spending the day there, right? And I knew that when I got home, I'd be wiped, and we got- you know, we'd be with the kids and we gotta do dinner and get them ready for bed. So I was like, "I'm just gonna get up." And so every day, I just got up a little earlier, cold plunge first, so it's like that was my morning coffee-

Joe Rogan 3:49 Yeah.

Tom Segura 3:49 ... it was the first thing I did.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Wake's you right the fuck up.

Tom Segura 3:51 Right the fuck up. And then right to the gym.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 3:54 And so then I would ar- I would arrive at the studio in the best mood.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Yeah.

Tom Segura 3:58 Just like, really in a great mood.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yeah.

Tom Segura 4:01 And then I would zip through the day, and I mean, even they were like, "Wow, you're like, nice." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:06 (laughs)

Tom Segura 4:06 You know? Like the staff, they're like ...

Joe Rogan 4:08 Dude, it's like a p- if you could take that in a pill form, it would be the most popular pill in the world.

Tom Segura 4:12 100%.

Joe Rogan 4:13 Yeah.

Tom Segura 4:14 No question, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Yeah. And we're not talking about, like, being a bodybuilder. We're not talking about killing yourself.

Tom Segura 4:19 No.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Just getting your heart pumping, getting your sweat going, get those muscles moving, exert yourself.

Tom Segura 4:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:28 I mean, God, you could be just- I can get a fucking pretty good workout in in 20 minutes.

Tom Segura 4:31 You can- you can definitely get your heart going and sweat.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yeah, if I'm fucking super pressed for time.

Tom Segura 4:36 You know what's crazy is, um, if you- when I work out right after cold plunging, y- I- sometimes, you're like, "Wait, how come I'm not sweating?" And you don't realize-

Joe Rogan 4:42 Yeah.

Tom Segura 4:43 ... that your core temperature-

Joe Rogan 4:44 Yeah.

Tom Segura 4:44 ... has dropped like 17 degrees.

Joe Rogan 4:45 (laughs)

Tom Segura 4:45 And then you're like, "Oh ..." Like ...

Joe Rogan 4:47 You were at 34 degrees for three minutes.

Tom Segura 4:49 Yeah. Like what the fuck?

Joe Rogan 4:50 Yeah, duh.

Tom Segura 4:50 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:51 I- I work out outside after I do that.

Tom Segura 4:54 Oh, nice.

Joe Rogan 4:54 So I do my- my- I do this series of 100 bodyweight squats and 100 push-ups every morning.

Tom Segura 4:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:59 And the way I do it is I do it as my warmup now.

Tom Segura 5:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:02 It's a good warmup to do right after you get out of the cold plunge, so by the time I'm done with those, I'm warmed up.

Tom Segura 5:07 Wow.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Yeah. But it's nice to do outside.

Tom Segura 5:10 Yeah, that is cool. I- I- I- this- one of the only times that I really don't mind heat, like real heat, is during workouts.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Yeah.

Tom Segura 5:17 I like working out in heat.

Joe Rogan 5:18 It's good for you.

Tom Segura 5:19 I do not like a cold gym.

Joe Rogan 5:21 No.

Tom Segura 5:22 When the air conditioning's blasting in a gym-

Joe Rogan 5:24 No.

Tom Segura 5:24 ... I don't like that.

Joe Rogan 5:24 No, I don't like that either. I liked ... You know Kronk Gym, uh, where Tommy Hearns used to train? They always kept-

Tom Segura 5:30 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:30 ... the temperature very high.

Tom Segura 5:32 They did?

Joe Rogan 5:32 Yeah, they kept it like 95 degrees.

Tom Segura 5:34 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Yeah, in Detroit. And the reason- well, Emanuel Stewart was a genius, a boxing genius, but also a genius physically. He- he knew, it's just like working out in a sauna. Like the sauna actually gives you cardiovascular benefit just sitting there, because your heart's beating faster 'cause it's trying to- body's trying to cool you off.

Tom Segura 5:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:50 And you're hot as fuck, you know. I've- I've had the heart strap on in the sauna and it got up to 147 degrees.... or excuse me, 147 beats per minute.

Tom Segura 5:59 Just sitting there?

Joe Rogan 6:00 Yeah, just sitting there.

Tom Segura 6:01 Yeah, your body's like-

Joe Rogan 6:02 Just sitting there. Yeah.

Tom Segura 6:02 ... "What's happening?"

Joe Rogan 6:03 Especially 'cause you're doing it after a workout.

Tom Segura 6:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:05 So, I'm already fucking exhausted. And then I get in that oven-

Tom Segura 6:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:08 ... for 20 minutes, and at the end of that 20 minutes, my heart is jacked.

Tom Segura 6:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:11 So, it's all... You're getting static cardio just sitting there.

Tom Segura 6:14 Just in there.

Joe Rogan 6:15 So, if you're doing a boxing workout, and it's 95 degrees-

Tom Segura 6:18 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 6:18 ... your heart is jacked.

Tom Segura 6:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 You're getting, you're getting really worked out. That's hard. It's like running with weights on.

Tom Segura 6:23 Yeah, and then imagine that feeling right after that, like, when you're done.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah, like, ah.

Tom Segura 6:28 Ah, the relief.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Like a hot yoga class.

Tom Segura 6:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Remember when we were doing hot yoga? We did do, how many did we do? 15 in a month?

Tom Segura 6:34 We did 15.

Joe Rogan 6:34 Yeah.

Tom Segura 6:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:35 That was nice, dude. That was nice.

Tom Segura 6:37 Yeah. Something about leaving those.

Joe Rogan 6:39 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 6:39 I went to one here in Austin.

Joe Rogan 6:41 Yeah?

Tom Segura 6:42 Yeah. I went to a hot yoga class, and it was like, you just walk outside, and you're like, "This isn't any different."

Joe Rogan 6:47 (laughs)

Tom Segura 6:47 This is the exact same temperature.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Yeah, it's just yoga with no AC on.

Tom Segura 6:51 God, yeah. But it did. You do feel this un- and then that, the way that, like, a cold drink tastes right after that.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Mm-hmm. (coughs)

Tom Segura 6:59 It's unreal.

Joe Rogan 7:00 Yeah, just water.

Tom Segura 7:01 Yeah, just water.

Joe Rogan 7:01 Just the cold water is so good.

Tom Segura 7:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 Just feels so good. Do you f- do you take, um, electrolytes?

Tom Segura 7:07 I do, every day.

Joe Rogan 7:09 Yeah?

Tom Segura 7:09 I travel with the packets and everything.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Which ones are you taking?

Tom Segura 7:11 Um, I have liquid IV.

Joe Rogan 7:13 Yeah.

Tom Segura 7:13 I take those pouches with me everywhere.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Yeah. I take those, too.

Tom Segura 7:16 Um, yeah, and I also take them. I have a big one before bed, and I fill up, like, a big canteen.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Oh, yeah?

Tom Segura 7:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Do you have to get up to piss in the middle of the night?

Tom Segura 7:23 Yes. Um, but not-

Joe Rogan 7:24 That's annoying.

Tom Segura 7:24 It's annoying. Not too, too much. I mean, I don't do it, like, right before bed, but, like, I have an evening one.

Joe Rogan 7:29 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 7:29 Because I, I, I remembered even from, like, high school football in Florida that they would go, "If you're cramping, it's too late to start."

Joe Rogan 7:39 Mm.

Tom Segura 7:39 Like, you start taking electrolytes. It's not gonna help you then. It's all about, like, the prep for it.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Right.

Tom Segura 7:44 So, like, you, that day before you exert yourself, electrolyte boost is what's gonna help you more.

Joe Rogan 7:50 Mm.

Tom Segura 7:50 You know? So, I always try to do it, like, at night too.

Joe Rogan 7:53 That makes sense. Just keeping a steady state-

Tom Segura 7:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 ... in, in your body.

Tom Segura 7:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Yeah, it should be something that you take every day.

Tom Segura 7:59 But the big thing, dude, like, I never, I never hated... I wasn't one of those people who's like, "I hate the gym," or, "I hate working out." It really is being consistent with food too.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Hm.

Tom Segura 8:07 That's a big thing.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Yeah.

Tom Segura 8:09 If you're s- like, I didn't realize how much I... Well, I knew I was eating poorly a lot. I was just like, had no sense of, like, portion control.

Joe Rogan 8:19 What turned it around? Was it those contests? Was it the weight loss contest?

Tom Segura 8:22 I guess it's a little bit of everything. I think, actually, getting severely injured.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Oh.

Tom Segura 8:29 And, and, like, just being, like... First of all, I think hearing people being like, "Oh, you're really gonna fall apart now. Like, now that you're-

Joe Rogan 8:36 Right.

Tom Segura 8:36 ... you've been injured, you're gonna be a mess. You're gonna gain, like, 100 pounds."

Joe Rogan 8:39 Hmm.

Tom Segura 8:40 Like, people would say that.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Who said that to you, Bert?

Tom Segura 8:43 Uh, actually, actually his wife.

Joe Rogan 8:46 (laughs) His wife said that to you?

Tom Segura 8:47 Yeah, yeah. She's-

Joe Rogan 8:48 Jesus Christ.

Tom Segura 8:48 But, but she was just, like, in the moment saying it. But no, she wasn't the only one.

Joe Rogan 8:51 "You're gonna gain 100 pounds."

Tom Segura 8:52 She was like, "You're gonna get real fat, Tom."

Joe Rogan 8:54 "You're gonna be fatter than my husband."

Tom Segura 8:56 Yeah. And I was like-

Joe Rogan 8:56 "And we're gonna make fun of you."

Tom Segura 8:57 I was like, "That's impossible."

Joe Rogan 8:59 (laughs)

Tom Segura 8:59 So, but it wasn't even just that, you know? It was, like, other people too. Other people were like, "Oh, yeah, you're..." I mean, I would see it, like when I open up Twitter or something.

Joe Rogan 9:08 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 9:08 They're like, "This dude's about to be a fucking whale." Like, you know, like...

Joe Rogan 9:11 Wow.

Tom Segura 9:11 Yeah, 'cause they saw you, like, well, you're laying in a bed.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Right.

Tom Segura 9:14 You know? So, I think that kind of started it, and then what happened was my PT was, you know, we were doing all the rehab stuff, and she was the one who was like, "Are people telling you you're gonna, like, get, like, way out of shape?" And she goes, "Yeah." She goes, "You know it's gonna be the opposite, right?" And I was like, "What?" She goes, "You're gonna be in, like, the best shape of your life." And I was like, "Why?" She's like, "'Cause you're gonna be so focused on rehab, and you're gonna feel better doing it, and you're just gonna want to get..." Like, she was the one who would.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Mm.

Tom Segura 9:42 Uh, Dr. Karen Joubert.

Joe Rogan 9:43 So, we have to break Bert's arm.

Tom Segura 9:45 We have to break multiple limbs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:49 (laughs)

Tom Segura 9:49 We gotta fuckin'... We should hit him with a bus.

Joe Rogan 9:52 You know, what? Do you remember the moment of reflection after this last Sober October? We're all out there, and we were all gonna go do a show, and I said, "Come do the show with us."

Tom Segura 9:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:59 And, and Bert was like, "I can't go out. If I go out, I'm gonna drink, and I don't want to drink. I'm really gonna get my shit together now." Do you remember that?

Tom Segura 10:06 No, no, I don't, actually.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Nah.

Tom Segura 10:07 Where, were we here?

Joe Rogan 10:08 You might not have been there. You might not have been why he was saying it. We were right out in front.

Tom Segura 10:11 Oh, 'cause I left a few minutes before, remember? I was-

Joe Rogan 10:14 Yeah. Oh, that's right, yeah.

Tom Segura 10:14 I was like, "I gotta go put the kids down."

Joe Rogan 10:16 Yeah, I was trying to get him to come to the show with us.

Tom Segura 10:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:18 And he didn't want to do it.

Tom Segura 10:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:20 You know?

Tom Segura 10:21 He just like, he likes to party.

Joe Rogan 10:23 Hey, the party's great.

Tom Segura 10:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:24 But I think he partied during October when we had Sober October, and I still think he had a great fucking time. I, I saw his shows. Looks like he was killing it.

Tom Segura 10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 You know? I mean, it doesn't, doesn't make it more of a party to get fucked up every night. It's just unsustainable. That's what I worry about. You know? And when we first did the Sober October thing, that was part of the discussion. We were all like, "Hey, Bert drinks too much."

Tom Segura 10:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:54 Like, let's, let's, and I smoke too much weed.

Tom Segura 10:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Let's, uh, let's try to work this out (laughs) .

Tom Segura 11:00 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:00 Turns out smoking too much weed is, like, way better for you (laughs) .

Tom Segura 11:03 I, I think it is. He's on a bender right now, too.

Joe Rogan 11:07 (laughs)

Tom Segura 11:07 On this, on this tour he's on.

Joe Rogan 11:08 Oh, sure.

Tom Segura 11:08 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Bro, he looks like a moon pie.

Tom Segura 11:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:12 A moon pie with a beard.

Tom Segura 11:14 He, he (laughs) , he's so swollen.

Joe Rogan 11:15 He's so swollen (laughs) .

Tom Segura 11:17 Oh, shit. This reminds me of that Joey Diaz line where he- I go... You've seen Bert, he goes, "Oh, he was so fat, I thought he was a Chinese guy, his eyes were swollen shut." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:24 (laughs) He's having a good time, though.

Tom Segura 11:26 He is having a good time.

Joe Rogan 11:27 I'm very happy for him too. I'm, I'm happy for, you know, the movie and these-

Tom Segura 11:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:31 ... these arenas.

Tom Segura 11:31 And that, that festival is a, is a huge success.

Joe Rogan 11:34 It's incredible. But watching him, you know, do these shows in these arenas and seeing these crowds, I'm like, "Wow."

Tom Segura 11:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:39 It's pretty wild.

Tom Segura 11:40 It's pretty wild, dude. It is pretty wild.

Joe Rogan 11:41 You know, and then you go back to him taking that chance and leaving the Travel Channel.

Tom Segura 11:45 Yeah. It was a big, uh, it was a big risk on his part, actually, 'cause there, that's, that's the equivalent of... 'Cause we all knew comics like this, and it was, it's, uh, it's just the reality of what it is. When you're, when you start working as a comedian, and your, you have, like, your circle of friends...... there's this, a nu- a number of them who, like, as you start to do road gigs, and these are low-paying. I'm not s-... You're not a ticket-seller, you're just doing these gigs. And you're like, "Uh, are you gonna do, you know, some of these gigs?" And they're like, "Nah, like, I have this job." And, and the job provides the, you know, the consistency and the comfort.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 12:26 It's, it's reliable. They're like, "Oh, I get my paycheck."

Joe Rogan 12:29 Yeah.

Tom Segura 12:29 And then what happens is, you doing these low... Like, they're making more money than you, right, 'cause you're doing, like, the bullshit comic. But then, like, your comedy starts to get better 'cause you're doing standup all the time. And then you get more opportunities, and then they're, they go, like, "Hey, I wanna do that."

Joe Rogan 12:46 Right.

Tom Segura 12:46 But, like, five years have gone by.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Right.

Tom Segura 12:48 And you're like, "Yeah, but you've been in this day job."

Joe Rogan 12:51 Yes.

Tom Segura 12:52 Right? And then, all the sudden, you know, you're getting opportunities to do TV specials, or, like, comics.

Joe Rogan 12:57 They want you to just grab their hand.

Tom Segura 12:59 Yeah, yeah. And then they go-

Joe Rogan 13:00 And take them with you on the road.

Tom Segura 13:01 ... "What happened?" You're like, "Well, you didn't take the leap."

Joe Rogan 13:04 Yeah.

Tom Segura 13:04 You know? And Bert kind of had that comfort of that TV show.

Joe Rogan 13:08 Yeah. It's-

Tom Segura 13:09 It's a good check. It's not like... It's not a bullshit check. It's a good-

Joe Rogan 13:12 Right.

Tom Segura 13:12 It's a good living.

Joe Rogan 13:12 It's on TV. Yeah.

Tom Segura 13:14 Yeah. But when, when he decided, "No, no, I gotta go make a full leap," that was... That's a, that's a leap, you know?

Joe Rogan 13:19 Yeah.

Tom Segura 13:19 That's, that's a leap. And then it paid off, obviously, tremendously.

Joe Rogan 13:23 Yeah, I... Y- you know the story. I called him up when he was on a motorcycle-

Tom Segura 13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 ... in Vietnam.

Tom Segura 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 And I was like, "You gotta quit that job."

Tom Segura 13:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:30 (laughs)

Tom Segura 13:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:30 But I was right. I was like, "You can't just... First of all, it's just not healthy for you or your family for you to be gone three, four months at a time."

Tom Segura 13:37 No, no.

Joe Rogan 13:37 It's crazy. And I know you're working, and, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do, but it can't... It's not good for you.

Tom Segura 13:42 No.

Joe Rogan 13:43 Just... And also, you're just... You're not reaching your potential as a standup. You're a hilarious guy.

Tom Segura 13:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:48 Great on podcasts.

Tom Segura 13:49 Totally.

Joe Rogan 13:50 Like, that's where you should be focusing your energy. But back when he first got on that show, podcasts were bullshit. Like when he first told the machine story on my podcast.

Tom Segura 13:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Who the fuck is watching it? No one's watching it.

Tom Segura 14:01 No, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Podcasts were bullshit. So it was like me saying, "Go do a podcast," like, what the fuck?

Tom Segura 14:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:06 I have kids.

Tom Segura 14:07 I know.

Joe Rogan 14:07 What the fuck are you talking about? This isn't a job. I can't quit a TV job.

Tom Segura 14:10 Yeah, it soun- it sounds insane.

Joe Rogan 14:12 Yeah.

Tom Segura 14:12 Yeah. I think I... 'Cause I started to do big, like, bigger shows, and, and selling out clubs back then, too. And he was like, "How is this happening?" I was like, "You just..." I go, "I'm doing standup all the time. I do this podcast every week. I just got a special out. And all of it combined together."

Joe Rogan 14:28 Yeah.

Tom Segura 14:28 And I was like, "You can do this, too." And he was like, "Oh, I don't know."

Joe Rogan 14:31 Bluh.

Tom Segura 14:32 And then, and then he was like... And then I remember him telling. He was like, "I d- I did it. I'm not doing the... I quit. I'm not doing the Travel Channel."

Joe Rogan 14:38 Amazing.

Tom Segura 14:39 "I'm gonna go f- all in."

Joe Rogan 14:40 Well, it worked out, luckily.

Tom Segura 14:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Jesus Christ.

Tom Segura 14:43 Well, I could go the other way, too.

Joe Rogan 14:44 Yeah. But that thing about guys who don't take the leap, I bet that's in every walk of life, where people just don't... For whatever it is, when you're... when you're... you're not all in. But if you... If... That's the fucking... The haunting thing about the comedy world. If you're not all in, and someone else is... I remember when I was on Fear Factor. So I was, uh, you know, doing standup when I could, but goddamn it, I was working a lot. I was working a lot. I was just... It was a lot of hours. And I remember I'd go to the store, and I'd, uh, run into someone who was a full-time comic, and they're on the road. "Yeah, I just did, uh, West Palm. I was there Thursday, Friday, Saturday." I was like, "Oh."

Tom Segura 15:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:23 "That sounds so much better."

Tom Segura 15:24 And-

Joe Rogan 15:24 "Sounds like so much more fun-

Tom Segura 15:26 Yeah, then doing taping these-

Joe Rogan 15:27 ... telling jokes."

Tom Segura 15:27 ... shows, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Yeah. It's just like, to me, it was like doing standup seemed so much better. It seem-... It just seemed like a better life. Like, that's w-... That's what I'm... Uh, it's more interesting.

Tom Segura 15:37 But you also have to have a... Like, when I look back at the choices I made early on (glass clinking) in standup, you know, you actually are in a, a bit of denial, um, about-

Joe Rogan 15:49 How bad you are?

Tom Segura 15:50 How... Well, not just how bad you are. How bad your life is.

Joe Rogan 15:53 (laughs)

Tom Segura 15:54 Like, like, I mean, I w-... I'm not living in a... Like, m-... All my friends with regular jobs have a much better quality of life. But here's the thing. It didn't even bother me, really.

Joe Rogan 16:06 Yeah, because you wanted it so bad.

Tom Segura 16:08 Yeah. I, I just wanted it so bad that you, y-... I'm saying you, you have a bit of... You have a delusion almost, right? Like, people see where you live.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Right.

Tom Segura 16:16 And they, and they're like, "How much money are you making?"

Joe Rogan 16:19 But you're used to it.

Tom Segura 16:20 You're so used to it, yeah. You're like-

Joe Rogan 16:20 As long as you're used to it, it's fine. If you... Now, one thing would be, like, say if you had some white-collar job, and you were making s- six figures a year, and then you decided to go b- to standup, and then you were living in the place, like-

Tom Segura 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... you were living in when I met you. Then it would suck a fat dick.

Tom Segura 16:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:36 'Cause you'd be like, "Fuck."

Tom Segura 16:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:37 "Now I'm falling apart." It's very difficult for people to downsize with the intention of upsizing eventually.

Tom Segura 16:45 It's, it's almost impossible.

Joe Rogan 16:46 It's hard.

Tom Segura 16:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:47 It's h-... But if that... You would be so much happier if you could kind of get by doing what you like to do.

Tom Segura 16:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:55 And then you could eventually make more money doing that. But the more money thing... The most important thing is, what are you... Are you doing what you want to do? 'Cause we don't have much time. We just don't. I'm 55. I'll be 56 in a month. That's 56. That's old as shit.

Tom Segura 17:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:11 When I was a kid, I thought 56 pe-... 8-year-old people were archaic wrecks-

Tom Segura 17:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... that were... that could barely stand up, you know?

Tom Segura 17:18 Turnout.

Joe Rogan 17:18 You're, you're in the doctor's office every couple of weeks. Something's falling apart. Oh.

Tom Segura 17:23 Yeah, but look at you, man. You're happy.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 17:25 You're thriving.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Luckily.

Tom Segura 17:27 Luckily.

Joe Rogan 17:27 I, I got lucky. I, I hit the, the science-

Tom Segura 17:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:30 ... and knowledge-

Tom Segura 17:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:31 ... and, uh, you know, fitness world-

Tom Segura 17:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:34 ... and vitamin supplementation, hormone supplementation. All of it came right when I got old.

Tom Segura 17:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:40 It's like, "Whee."

Tom Segura 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:41 I just rode the wave. Da, da, da, da, da, da.

Tom Segura 17:42 That's true.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Da, da.

Tom Segura 17:43 Some of this stuff is just, like, the luck of timing, right?

Joe Rogan 17:45 100%.

Tom Segura 17:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:46 100%.

Tom Segura 17:47 Well, also our lives... I think about this all the time. If we were exactly the same guys we are now, but we were at this age in, like, 1999.

Joe Rogan 17:58 We're fucked.

Tom Segura 17:58 It's just a totally different life.

Joe Rogan 17:59 Yeah, totally different life.

Tom Segura 18:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Different life. First of all, no phones. Well, in '99, you had phones.

Tom Segura 18:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:05 But m-... I mean, imagine 1919, you're fucked.

Tom Segura 18:09 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:09 You're fucked. Life is-

Tom Segura 18:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:10 ... terrible.

Tom Segura 18:11 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Life's shit. (laughs)

Tom Segura 18:13 Yeah.... (laughs) That sucks.

Joe Rogan 18:13 I mean, we got, we're, this, as much as people complain about today, we got it fucking super easy.

Tom Segura 18:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:19 It's, it's very nice.

Tom Segura 18:20 Well, if it was 1919, first of all, when I broke my arm, they'd just be like, "We're just gonna cut your arm off." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:24 We'll just saw it off. Bite this leather strap.

Tom Segura 18:27 Yeah. That's what happened back then, too.

Joe Rogan 18:28 Oh, yeah.

Tom Segura 18:28 You broke things, and they'd be like, "Well, you're just a cripple."

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yeah. "You're a cripple now forever."

Tom Segura 18:32 "You can, We'll give you this cane and this, this, uh, this, this wheelbarrow with w- like, you can just lean on this wheelbarrow."

Joe Rogan 18:39 (laughs)

Tom Segura 18:39 "And kind of wheel that into town."

Joe Rogan 18:41 When did they start setting bones?

Tom Segura 18:43 Ah, fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:43 What year was that? B- when they stopped hacking people's arms off? (laughs)

Tom Segura 18:46 Ah, no, dude. It's not that long ago, for sure.

Joe Rogan 18:48 Have you ever seen that video of the guy who's playing the banjo and his arm is broken and he never got it fixed? So his arm is, like, floating around. It's so crazy, dude. Like, he, he's got the, the, the detachment between the two bones, this guy. Look at this. It never re-healed?

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:05 No. And I still work and stuff. Yeah.

Tom Segura 19:07 (gasps) "I still work."

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:07 Look, the bone's still breaking here.

Joe Rogan 19:08 That's crazy.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:09 I mean, look.

Tom Segura 19:10 No.

Joe Rogan 19:10 That is ridiculous. No.

Tom Segura 19:12 No.

Joe Rogan 19:12 Bro, you know how insane that is? Can you put it together and play the banjo?

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:14 I- yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Look at this. Wow.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:19 But I have this thing, though, keeps 'em straight, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 19:21 That's amazing, dude.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:22 You know, the muscles, 'cause they-

Tom Segura 19:23 Wow. That's one word for it.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:25 Actually, that one would stick out right there.

Joe Rogan 19:25 (laughs)

Tom Segura 19:25 I mean... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:26 Imagine how weak that guy is in arm wrestling. I bet you could fuck him up.

Tom Segura 19:30 (laughs)

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 19:30 ... just to fight, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 19:32 God blo- I mean... I mean, can he even open a jar of mayonnaise? Can he fucking... What can you do with that arm?

Tom Segura 19:36 It's, it's really incredible, 'cause you know the, you know one of the things that's kind of interesting? I had a double whammy, right? When I got injured, I tore my patellar tendon on my leg.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Right. At the same time.

Tom Segura 19:45 Patellar tendon tear is not like a MCL, ACL. It, that leg is completely useless.

Joe Rogan 19:51 Hm.

Tom Segura 19:51 Like, there's no hinge anymore.

Joe Rogan 19:53 Right.

Tom Segura 19:53 So your knee doesn't... Your, it just hangs.

Joe Rogan 19:56 Right.

Tom Segura 19:56 Right? So you have to reattach the tendon, and for that to heal and be able to, to use it again, it takes... Just, just for it to heal takes about two months. Then your muscle has atrophied completely, like your quad is completely atrophied.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Hm.

Tom Segura 20:10 So then you have to learn how to walk and learn how to do steps again, and learn how to, like, you know... Like, it's a complete, complete, like, debilitating type of injury. So when I got ... And they were at, they're both at the same time. So when I got injured, all the people in the hospital, doctors, PTs, they all looked at my arm and they're like, "That's not gonna be a problem." Right? And you think about it, you're like, yeah, you see people in casts all the time, they're like, "You'll be fine with that. That leg, that's gonna be your, your problem." And it ended up being the opposite.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Really?

Tom Segura 20:41 I still-

Joe Rogan 20:41 Oh, that's hard because of the nerve damage.

Tom Segura 20:43 I still have problems.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Yeah?

Tom Segura 20:45 I still have nerve issues, yeah, and I-

Joe Rogan 20:46 How bad is it now?

Tom Segura 20:48 Well, you know an interesting thing? Remember we did Sober October?

Joe Rogan 20:51 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 20:51 You remember, like, I showed you me doing pushups with my shirt off?

Joe Rogan 20:55 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 20:56 So, like, my left rhomboid wasn't even firing.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Hmm.

Tom Segura 21:01 Right? So what happens is, when you're, when you have, like, a muscle... A nerve sends a signal to your muscle. If there's nerve trouble going to that muscle, the muscle just doesn't fire. So I, when I was doing pushups, because that wasn't firing, you have other muscles that compensate. That's the way your body works, right? So, like, if you're going like this and that rhomboid doesn't fire, then, like, your lat starts to pick up for it.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Oh.

Tom Segura 21:25 Right? So it's like ... And it's doing it-

Joe Rogan 21:26 Yeah.

Tom Segura 21:26 ... uh, like, unbeknownst to your mind.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Right.

Tom Segura 21:28 It's just doing it it's on its own. So I had, like, insane ... O- it took me, like, six months to recover from the 100 pushups a day.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Wow.

Tom Segura 21:36 Because I, I wasn't able to use, like, the full strength-

Joe Rogan 21:40 Right.

Tom Segura 21:40 ... of my body to do a normal pushup.

Joe Rogan 21:42 Is it firing now?

Tom Segura 21:43 It's firing now because I, I actually have been, like, treating ... I went to this place called Wired and they put these, like-

Joe Rogan 21:49 Oh, yeah, neuromuscular stimulation.

Tom Segura 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Yeah, that's really good.

Tom Segura 21:52 That helped a lot.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Electrical, rather, electrical muscular stimulation. That EMS stuff is really good-

Tom Segura 21:56 That-

Joe Rogan 21:56 ... for injury recovery.

Tom Segura 21:57 That, that has helped me, uh, quite a bit.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Hmm.

Tom Segura 22:00 Um, but I still, the thing that I have is, like, this cray- like, weird, I don't know how to even describe it, arm pain.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Hmm.

Tom Segura 22:08 When, like, if I try to, like, if we were to, like, if I was to jam you like this, like-

Joe Rogan 22:11 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 22:11 ... my hands, it sends a incredibly painful signal through my arm.

Joe Rogan 22:17 Wow.

Tom Segura 22:17 Like, especially, like, uh, the bicep tendon.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 22:21 Things like that. So I'm just always, like, I'm trying new things, I do different things in the gym, I do treatments like that. I'm gonna get another nerve analysis done where they send these signals through your arm.

Joe Rogan 22:32 Have you done any hyperbaric chamber stuff?

Tom Segura 22:34 No.

Joe Rogan 22:34 You should do that.

Tom Segura 22:35 Yeah, I've heard that.

Joe Rogan 22:35 That's supposed to be very good with people with nerve issues.

Tom Segura 22:38 I'm gonna try it.

Joe Rogan 22:39 You know, it's double the atmosphere and-

Tom Segura 22:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:40 ... it's, it really helps recover.

Tom Segura 22:41 You just sit in there, right?

Joe Rogan 22:42 Mm-hmm. You could just read a book.

Tom Segura 22:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Yeah.

Tom Segura 22:45 I'll try that.

Joe Rogan 22:45 It's very relaxing. It's no big deal.

Tom Segura 22:47 But it's funny, though, because you think, "Oh, broken arm, just throw a cast on that thing and you'll be done."

Joe Rogan 22:53 No.

Tom Segura 22:54 And it's been, yeah-

Joe Rogan 22:55 Yeah.

Tom Segura 22:55 ... it's been a couple years and it's not completely healed.

Joe Rogan 22:58 That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, injuries, the one good thing about injuries is when you do get over them, if you could remember. Like, 'cause when you're injured, you're like, "Goddamn it, why wasn't I appreciating being healthy?"

Tom Segura 23:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Same way I feel when I'm sick.

Tom Segura 23:12 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Yeah.

Tom Segura 23:13 Well, you ha- you said, you know how you asked me about, like, turning points?

Joe Rogan 23:16 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 23:17 The other big one was that, you know, about a little over a year ago, I realized that I was just regressing again, and that was actually the big turning point for me.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Hmm.

Tom Segura 23:33 It was that I had kind of recovered f- for the most part from the injuries, and I was like, "Okay, I'm, like, healthy again," and I felt myself regressing again.

Joe Rogan 23:41 Hmm.

Tom Segura 23:42 I went to shoot this thing and I was like ... I just saw myself, I was like, "Oh, I'm, I'm going backwards again."

Joe Rogan 23:49 Hm.

Tom Segura 23:49 It bo- it bothered me.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Is it food?

Tom Segura 23:52 I think it was, it was food, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Yeah.

Tom Segura 23:54 Yeah. But I just, I kind of was like, "Oh, I can't go back again."

Joe Rogan 23:57 Dude, that carnivore diet kills all that.

Tom Segura 24:00 Really?

Joe Rogan 24:00 You just can't overeat. You don't overeat. It's wild.

Tom Segura 24:04 Are you doing that right now?

Joe Rogan 24:05 Yeah. It's wild. I know when to stop eating. It's like a... If I am eating, um, say, like, a steak and mashed potatoes and french fries and other stuff, and bread, bread and butter, I'll just keep eating the mashed pota- even after I'm done eating steak.

Tom Segura 24:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:24 I'll keep eating fries, I'll, I'll have-

Tom Segura 24:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 ... another piece of bread. And all that stuff is just empty calories. Yeah, it's carbohydrates, it's not empty, but it's just...... it's unnecessary. You're eating more than your body's gonna burn off, and you're just- it's just, for me, it's gluttony.

Tom Segura 24:38 What's a normal day for your eating? Like, what, what do you-

Joe Rogan 24:41 Just-

Tom Segura 24:41 What's breakfast?

Joe Rogan 24:42 Today was, uh, nilgai steaks and bacon. So I cooked, uh, a couple of these small nilgai steak. Nilgai is, uh, an antelope-

Tom Segura 24:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:50 ... that I shot in Texas.

Tom Segura 24:52 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 24:52 So, uh, I fried that, and fried... I fried bacon first, and then I cooked the nilgai in bacon fat, 'cause you need fat. Nilgai is a very lean animal, and if you're in, uh, you know, a fat-burning st- state, which is what I'm in right now-

Tom Segura 25:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:06 ... you have to have some sort of fats. So, like, I like avocado oil, um, I like some of that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise. It's made with avocado oil. I'm not, like, avoiding vegetables per se, but I'm 100% I'm avoiding bread and pasta, and, and all that other bullshit. And just-

Tom Segura 25:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:22 ... when I e- if I have a, like... I'll have a piece of asparagus every now and then, I'm- but I'm not, like, thinking about vegetables. I take a shit ton of vitamins.

Tom Segura 25:30 You take fruit?

Joe Rogan 25:31 I take-

Tom Segura 25:31 You eat fruit too?

Joe Rogan 25:31 Yeah, I eat fruit.

Tom Segura 25:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:32 When I want to.

Tom Segura 25:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:33 But most of my meals are steak and eggs.

Tom Segura 25:36 Steak and eggs.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Most of my meals. Most of my meals are steak. Steak, eggs, steak, bacon. That's most of my meals, and I feel fucking great. It's- what's wild is joint pain. Like, I, I've had a left knee-

Tom Segura 25:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:47 ... that's been fucking with me forever, and i- I don't feel anything now. It's been two months on this diet, two-plus months now, and it's like, it just accelerated the healing. Like-

Tom Segura 25:56 You feel way better?

Joe Rogan 25:56 I think- I think when you're eating a lot of shit, your body is in a state of inflammation. Like, all- I think most people are in, you know, there's a, there's a scale of, like, how much inflammation your body is carrying.

Tom Segura 26:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:08 And you don't think about inflammation just 'cause it's just how you are.

Tom Segura 26:12 It's just y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:12 And you're not eating anything crazy. I had spaghetti for dinner, and I had-

Tom Segura 26:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:15 ... a Subway sandwich for lunch.

Tom Segura 26:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:17 I'm not eating McDonald's. And you think you're not eating-

Tom Segura 26:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 ... inflammation-causing foods, but you are.

Tom Segura 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 And you don't realize it until you cut those out of your diet.

Tom Segura 26:25 So much sugar.

Joe Rogan 26:26 I think sh- it's sugar, but I also think there's a lot going on with, with wheat. I think with the complex glutens, and, I mean, th- and there could possibly be something with glyphosate. There's, there's a lot of people that-

Tom Segura 26:39 What's glyphosate?

Joe Rogan 26:39 Glyphosate is Roundup. That's that chemical that they spray on weeds that they found something like 94% of people have it in their blood.

Tom Segura 26:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:48 You know, and the pesticide apologist will say, "Oh, it's just a small number. It's a s- it's hardly anything."

Tom Segura 26:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:55 It's fucking poison.

Tom Segura 26:56 Sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 It's 100% cancer-causing poison, and 94% of the people have it in their body.

Tom Segura 27:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 And by the way, if- and if they're measuring it, and you're getting an average of what these people have in it, well, who's a- what's the high end?

Tom Segura 27:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:09 There's gotta be some zeros too, right? There's gotta be people who only eat organic, and they don't have any in them. So what, what's the high end? Like, how bad off are those pe- what do people that... How about people that work on a farm? Like, what's their-

Tom Segura 27:21 I bet they're just breathing that in all day, and-

Joe Rogan 27:22 What's their fucking blood work look like?

Tom Segura 27:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Like, what... You know, there's a better way to do it, and they don't wanna do it the better way 'cause it's more expensive, and it's difficult, you know-

Tom Segura 27:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:34 ... like to do a regenerative farm. But if you do it this way with Roundup, and they use it everywhere, there's like... the, the stuff is fucking sketchy.

Tom Segura 27:42 Yeah, I've never really spent time thinking much about how wheat affects me personally. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 27:49 Yeah.

Tom Segura 27:49 Like, I've never been... The one that I do think about a lot is sugar.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Yeah.

Tom Segura 27:54 And also because I'm somebody who, I can just- I have to just deny myself.

Joe Rogan 27:59 Hm.

Tom Segura 28:00 'Cause I- I get into, like, a pattern.

Joe Rogan 28:02 Right, right, right.

Tom Segura 28:03 Where, like-

Joe Rogan 28:03 I know what you mean.

Tom Segura 28:04 ... I- I- if I give myself, like... And, and, and also, it's like, there- there's this thing where you realize that you realize that you can really kind of fall into peer pressure kind of situations.

Joe Rogan 28:13 Oh, for sure, yeah.

Tom Segura 28:13 You know, just, like, you're hanging out, and you're like, "Try one of these."

Joe Rogan 28:15 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 28:16 And y- you go like, "Okay." And you like it, whatever. Some pastry or something.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 28:21 And then you see it tomorrow, and you're like, "That was good yesterday. I'm gonna have that."

Joe Rogan 28:24 "I'm gonna get it today."

Tom Segura 28:24 And then-

Joe Rogan 28:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 28:25 ... I- I get into a pattern where I just-

Joe Rogan 28:27 Hm.

Tom Segura 28:27 ... I have to deny myself.

Joe Rogan 28:28 You get excited about-

Tom Segura 28:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:29 ... that mouth pleasure.

Tom Segura 28:30 I do. I-

Joe Rogan 28:31 You know what I used to get for?

Tom Segura 28:32 Hm?

Joe Rogan 28:33 Chocolate croissants.

Tom Segura 28:34 Buddy, I used to be with you. Do you know where we used to get them?

Joe Rogan 28:37 Buddy. (laughs)

Tom Segura 28:37 At the fucking Terminal 5 Delta.

Joe Rogan 28:41 (laughs)

Tom Segura 28:41 When it- when that was- they had that place-

Joe Rogan 28:43 (coughs)

Tom Segura 28:44 ... I remember, I remember I would get off the plane-

Joe Rogan 28:46 Oh, that's right.

Tom Segura 28:46 ... with you.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Yeah.

Tom Segura 28:47 And it was coming back to LA. It was on the way back.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Yeah, get them chocolate croissants.

Tom Segura 28:50 And we would arrive in the morning, and you're like, you're like, you're like, "These are fucking good." And I was like, "Mm-hmm."

Joe Rogan 28:55 (laughs)

Tom Segura 28:56 And, and then you're like, "It's just one. Like, I can eat- I can do this." And I was like, "Yeah, me too."

Joe Rogan 29:00 (laughs)

Tom Segura 29:00 I just... (laughs) I would think that, like, we're the same, so I was like (gibberish) shove one down my throat, and I was like, "Joe's right. These are good."

Joe Rogan 29:07 (laughs)

Tom Segura 29:08 And then I'd go home and go to a fucking bakery and be like, "Can I get a dozen chocolate croissants?"

Joe Rogan 29:12 (laughs)

Tom Segura 29:12 I mean, yeah, dude. I fucking... That might be my favorite treat of all.

Joe Rogan 29:17 Chocolate croissant's pretty damn good.

Tom Segura 29:19 I mean-

Joe Rogan 29:19 The buttery ones with the real- the mushy chocolate inside.

Tom Segura 29:22 Bro, I-

Joe Rogan 29:23 Worm.

Tom Segura 29:23 I was just in Paris, and my-

Joe Rogan 29:25 Ooh, Paris. Listen to him. Real national channel.

Tom Segura 29:28 In Paris. Je ne parle pas français.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Wow.

Tom Segura 29:30 But, uh, I, uh, I was- I was- I always talk about cro- I mean, I do have an affection for croissants. I really do.

Joe Rogan 29:36 They're awesome.

Tom Segura 29:37 And- and I was like, "We're in Paris." I was talking about... I was like, "Oh, I gotta- I gotta sample some croissants in Paris." My fucking tour manager went out one morning, comes back, and he goes, "I got something for you." I go, "What?" He goes, "I went and picked up the-"

Joe Rogan 29:54 (sighs)

Tom Segura 29:54 ... like, the best croissants in Paris. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:56 Wow.

Tom Segura 29:56 And he- and he had like a- and he gave me, like, a- a- a sampling of these croissants.

Joe Rogan 30:01 How good were they?

Tom Segura 30:01 They were unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 30:02 They looked pretty damn good.

Tom Segura 30:04 Yeah. They were so unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Look at you. You've written- you know how to say them?

Tom Segura 30:08 N- well... (laughs) No, I stammered through it.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Par de chocolat.

Tom Segura 30:12 Yeah. I think they told me that in, in, in Paris, they say ch- chocolatine for a chocolate croissant. They don't say-

Joe Rogan 30:18 Oh.

Tom Segura 30:18 They don't say- we don't say, "un croissant au chocolat." We say, "un chocolatine." And I said, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 30:23 Chocolatine.

Tom Segura 30:24 Yeah, but we were definitely-

Joe Rogan 30:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 30:25 ... tearing them up in Paris.

Joe Rogan 30:26 France is falling apart right now. Isn't that wild?

Tom Segura 30:29 ... is it? The per- the France is on-

Joe Rogan 30:30 Have you seen what's going on?

Tom Segura 30:31 I mean, when I was there-

Joe Rogan 30:32 The riots?

Tom Segura 30:33 Oh, when I was there, there was big riots. Big ones.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Did you see the riots from the- they- the police killed a guy?

Tom Segura 30:39 No.

Joe Rogan 30:39 You didn't see those?

Tom Segura 30:39 When I was there, it was about the retirement age.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Oh, this is way worse. This is way, way worse.

Tom Segura 30:44 What's the issue? What's-

Joe Rogan 30:44 This is the last few days.

Tom Segura 30:45 What is the issue?

Joe Rogan 30:46 Somebody got murdered. There's been f- fucking gunfire in the streets, lighting buil- businesses on fire. For, like, five days. It's been like The Purge. Some of the videos are insane.

Tom Segura 30:55 It is-

Joe Rogan 30:56 French teen shot by police officer. Pleads with rioters to stop the violence. So, um, uh, something happened. I don't know the- the details of the story, but the police shot some guy.

Tom Segura 31:06 During a riot?

Joe Rogan 31:08 No. No.

Tom Segura 31:08 Oh, oh. So-

Joe Rogan 31:09 I think they shot him in a... Was it a traffic stop?

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 31:11 I don't know. It says police standoff.

Tom Segura 31:12 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Tensions erupt in Paris suburb after a 17-year-old delivery driver is killed in a police standoff. I don't know what happened. He was shot and killed by a police officer Tuesday in a Paris suburb. According to the family's lawyer, the dea- the death unleashed tensions between angry residents, setting barricades on fire, and police firing tear gas. Police officer was detained on suspicion of manslaughter, according to the prosecutor's office in the Paris suburb of Nan- Nanterre? Nanterre?

Tom Segura 31:40 Nanterre.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Nanterre. Uh, it said the shooting took place during a traffic check. The victim was wounded by a gunshot and died at the scene. The prosecutor's office sent a statement, "A passenger in the car was briefly detained and released, and the police are searching for another passenger who fled." So, what was it that happened? Do we know what happened?

Tom Segura 32:01 Uh...

Joe Rogan 32:02 Okay. The lawyer cited a video reported to be of the incident circulating online that shows two police officers leaning into the driver's side window of a yellow car before the vehicle pulls away and one officer fires towards the driver. The car is later seen crashed into a post nearby. So they tried to take off-

Tom Segura 32:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 ... and he shot them.

Tom Segura 32:22 So, th- is this what prompted these riots, though?

Joe Rogan 32:24 Yes.

Tom Segura 32:24 This in- okay.

Joe Rogan 32:25 Yes.

Tom Segura 32:25 Isn't that crazy, though, that description of what happened in the traffic stop seems so routine here? Like, you alwa- like, there's an endless series of videos that you can watch of something similar to this.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Yes.

Tom Segura 32:36 That's always... It f- always feels like it's very US.

Joe Rogan 32:38 Yeah.

Tom Segura 32:39 Like, we always have incidents in traffic stops-

Joe Rogan 32:42 Sure.

Tom Segura 32:43 ... which are... You know, I'm not saying blame is always one way or the other. It's, it's... You know, sometimes it's the person in the car, sometimes it's the-

Joe Rogan 32:48 Sure.

Tom Segura 32:49 But that just seems like a really routine thing here.

Joe Rogan 32:52 You know what people have to think about with cops? And I know it's very hard to do if you're not a cop, but I want you to try. You know that feeling that you get when you're driving on the highway? There's a reason why people get roid rage. Ro- road rage, rather. There's a reason why they get roid rage, too.

Tom Segura 33:04 Yeah, there is. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:04 So the reason why they get road rage-

Tom Segura 33:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:06 ... and one of the... The reason why they get road rage is, is when you are on the road and you're driving, you're in a heightened state because your car's going 60 miles an hour. So you're ready at any time to hit the brakes, to change lanes.

Tom Segura 33:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:18 So you're in this heightened state. And then when someone does something like, "You fucking idiot."

Tom Segura 33:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:23 "Jesus Christ."

Tom Segura 33:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:24 Where you would never do that... Like, it took me a while to, to realize this. I re- I re- forget where I read it. And then when I read it, I was like, "Duh." 'Cause I was always like, "Uh, how come nobody treats people like that when they're walking?"

Tom Segura 33:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:36 No one ever does that. No one-

Tom Segura 33:37 'Cause you're protected by this-

Joe Rogan 33:37 If someone gets in front of you when you're walking, you go, "Oh, the guy got in front of me."

Tom Segura 33:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:40 It's not an issue at all.

Tom Segura 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 But in a car, you're like, "Ah, you fucking asshole."

Tom Segura 33:44 You fucking piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 33:45 "With your fucking cut in front of me."

Tom Segura 33:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:47 That's what it is, 'cause you're at a heightened state. Now imagine being a cop, and every time you pull someone over-

Tom Segura 33:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:53 ... you are... You've... We've all seen those videos of cops getting shot.

Tom Segura 33:56 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:56 We've all seen those videos-

Tom Segura 33:58 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:58 ... of cops pulling people over, and then the windows explode and people fire on them. We've all seen those. They've seen them, too. They know people who've been shot.

Tom Segura 34:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 They n- have no idea who you are. They have no idea what's going on.

Tom Segura 34:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:09 So when they come up to that car, they are at a heightened state.

Tom Segura 34:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:13 They have to be. They are literally... To a criminal, they're the professional enemy.

Tom Segura 34:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Their job is to be the enemy of the criminal.

Tom Segura 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 It's a fucking crazy position to be in in society, and we don't treat it with enough respect.

Tom Segura 34:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 And w- when the consequent... When it, when it goes badly, all we think about is that officer, that's a representative of all police officers. But it's not true.

Tom Segura 34:34 It's true. I think a lot of people, too... It's, it's kinda hard. Like, a lot of people, they go into getting pulled over with a heightened sense of emotion themselves-

Joe Rogan 34:44 Sure.

Tom Segura 34:45 ... which, if you are that person getting pulled over for whatever you got pulled over for, if that's your, like, mentality in that moment, you are actually going to escalate things. You are, as the person getting pulled over.

Joe Rogan 34:58 100%.

Tom Segura 34:59 And, and it, it does take an effort to go, "Okay, this guy..." Like you said, he's walking up here in a heightened state.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Yeah.

Tom Segura 35:09 Like, I can diffuse things. My... I can diffuse them-

Joe Rogan 35:12 Yes.

Tom Segura 35:12 ... by how I conduct this.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Yes.

Tom Segura 35:15 But some people... You know, the... You... First, you have the people that are, like, the legal scholars who wanna lecture the police officer on, on his rights. Like, "Yeah, you can do that, man."

Joe Rogan 35:25 Right.

Tom Segura 35:25 Or there's the... I have friends even... I have friends who are like, "I hate cops. Cops are all pigs." You know? Like, and I've, I've watched them speak to police officers in a way where I'm like, "Jesus Christ, man."

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah.

Tom Segura 35:39 Like, it's so disrespectful.

Joe Rogan 35:40 So stupid.

Tom Segura 35:41 I go, "Yeah, you..." I go, "But you are making this worse."

Joe Rogan 35:44 Right. That's a human being.

Tom Segura 35:45 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:45 Like, when you fucking interact with them-

Tom Segura 35:47 You gotta fucking chill a little bit. You don't have to, like-

Joe Rogan 35:48 ... you don't know them.

Tom Segura 35:48 Yeah, you don't have to get on your knees.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Right.

Tom Segura 35:50 But, you know, just, like, l- he's doing his thing. Just, like, let's try to, let's try to smooth this thing out. Let's not-

Joe Rogan 35:56 Yeah.

Tom Segura 35:56 ... try to make it worse.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Let's try to make it better.

Tom Segura 35:58 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Yeah. If I ever have an interaction with a cop, it's always, "How you doing, sir?"

Tom Segura 36:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:02 "What's happening, brother? Everything good?"

Tom Segura 36:04 Yeah. Yeah, I, I, I've-

Joe Rogan 36:05 I want it smooth and easy.

Tom Segura 36:07 Completely, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:08 Yeah. And just that whole pe- that's just... But I fucking... That... Those kind of generalizations, all cops are pigs, like, fuck off.

Tom Segura 36:15 No, it's not good.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Fuck off.

Tom Segura 36:16 It's not good.

Joe Rogan 36:16 That's... I don't like those generalizations with anything. Women are stupid. Shut... Fuck off.

Tom Segura 36:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:21 Fuck off. Fuck off.

Tom Segura 36:22 No, it's-

Joe Rogan 36:22 It's just, it's just annoying.

Tom Segura 36:24 No, you're like-

Joe Rogan 36:25 Tha- most women are stupid.

Tom Segura 36:27 Nah.

Joe Rogan 36:27 But... (laughs)

Tom Segura 36:27 (laughs) No. But if you go-

Joe Rogan 36:29 Nah.

Tom Segura 36:29 If you go into this-

Joe Rogan 36:31 Anything.

Tom Segura 36:31 Yeah, like that. You're gonna-

Joe Rogan 36:32 Any interaction with a fucking w- the retail worker or fucking auto mechanic.

Tom Segura 36:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Anything. Any interaction.

Tom Segura 36:38 And sometimes, I think if this comes with age...... sometimes you do meet a real piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Oh, yeah.

Tom Segura 36:43 Like, it can be a police officer. It can be the mechanic. It can be-

Joe Rogan 36:48 Car salesman.

Tom Segura 36:48 ... the car s- ... Oh, fuck. The car salesman.

Joe Rogan 36:51 (laughs)

Tom Segura 36:52 Flight attendant.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Yeah.

Tom Segura 36:53 And I used to take, I used to, I would say, I call it take the bait more. Right? Feel the rage. Be- become, like escalate things.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Yeah? (laughs)

Tom Segura 37:03 To me ... Well, yeah. I'd be like, "Oh, fuck." I mean, I've said some regrettable things to people.

Joe Rogan 37:09 (laughs)

Tom Segura 37:09 You know? Because ... But I mean like, I think with age now, some- one of the things that happens is you go like, "I, you know, I think this person sucks." And in- internally. And I go, I'm just ... Like, I had a, I had a flight where ... I've been on, uh, I don't know, a million flights, right? And it was early morning cross-country flight. And the flight attendant, ah was like, uh, she was like, "You want breakfast?" And I was like, "Well, I'm gonna zonk out here, so maybe, maybe when I wake up in a little while?" And she goes, "No." She goes, "It's breakfast now."

Joe Rogan 37:42 Whoa.

Tom Segura 37:44 And I looked at her, and I was like, (laughs) I was like, "That ..." I mean, 'cause I was just processing. I was like, "That's like ... " It was super rude.

Joe Rogan 37:50 When did that change? Pandemic?

Tom Segura 37:53 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 37:53 Did they just fire a bunch of people that had been there for a long time-

Tom Segura 37:56 I was-

Joe Rogan 37:56 ... and hire a bunch of new people and pay them less?

Tom Segura 37:57 I- I- I have a real trigger too, for like disrespect or even perceived disrespect. You know? Where I've- I then become, like I've ... And I almost got arrested at an airport one, one time for this. You know? I ended up calling the TSA agent a pig. But-

Joe Rogan 38:13 (laughs)

Tom Segura 38:13 But again, that was a few years ago.

Joe Rogan 38:15 (laughs)

Tom Segura 38:15 But this was like ... This ... I looked at her, and I was like ... And i- in my mind, I was, I was, I could have said like escalated things, and I just thought, I go, "You know what? This like ... I don't know why she's an asshole. I don't know what's going on." I just went, "Yeah, I think I'm just gonna sleep." I go, "I'm just gonna sleep." She's like, "Okay," and just walked away. And she was like, she was clearly rude.

Joe Rogan 38:38 Yeah.

Tom Segura 38:39 And, and like, I'd never been spoken ... Like most flight attendants, when you go, "I'm gonna j- I'm just gonna sleep," she's like, they're- they're like, "Yeah, I'll ch- I'll check on you later, see if you want to eat then." Like-

Joe Rogan 38:47 Yeah.

Tom Segura 38:47 "We'll keep it warm for you." They ... They're-

Joe Rogan 38:49 Yeah.

Tom Segura 38:49 They're ... She was so rude, but I just was like, just, "Why make this a thing?" You know? I was just like-

Joe Rogan 38:57 Yeah.

Tom Segura 38:57 I go, "I'm just gonna sleep." Like-

Joe Rogan 38:58 It might be hard to find people to do that now.

Tom Segura 39:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:01 You know?

Tom Segura 39:02 Yeah. Yeah. No, they have huge ... The biggest issue in the, in commercial air travel right now is staffing.

Joe Rogan 39:09 Really?

Tom Segura 39:09 It's still staffing.

Joe Rogan 39:10 Really?

Tom Segura 39:11 Absolutely. It's still staffing. It's, it's why you're, you're finding an incredible number of delays. It's not just staffing for airlines. It's also s- staffing at air traffic control.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Mm.

Tom Segura 39:21 So all those, all that is together. Is if you fly commercially, you'll notice that like, I mean, it is a miracle to board and take off and land on time. Uh, e- almost everything is delayed.

Joe Rogan 39:35 Hmm.

Tom Segura 39:35 It is delayed. You have, you have a lot of times you're, everything is functioning well, then you get there. I can't tell you like, uh, how many flights are just like, "Well, everyone's, everything's ready to go," and they're like, "Yeah, the crew's not here. Crew's here, this crew has to, uh, swap out. They've maxed out their hours. Now we're waiting for a new crew." This is like over and over. And then, it happens at air traffic control. But they are not fully staffed yet either. So this just is a huge delay thing. I mean, commercial travel just needs to be revamped in the United States.

Joe Rogan 40:04 Well, Pete Buttigieg is doing a great job.

Tom Segura 40:06 Yeah. Sure. They're doing great.

Joe Rogan 40:08 He's the best. He's the best at it.

Tom Segura 40:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:13 He's handling it. Don't worry. He's got it covered.

Tom Segura 40:16 Who's this?

Joe Rogan 40:17 Pete Buttigieg.

Tom Segura 40:18 Oh, yeah. That's my guy.

Joe Rogan 40:19 (laughs)

Tom Segura 40:20 What is he ... Is he a, is he the, the in charge-

Joe Rogan 40:23 (laughs) The guy. He's the guy in charge of transportation.

Tom Segura 40:25 That's a fucking shit show.

Joe Rogan 40:26 He's in charge of the fucking trains flying off the rails. (laughs)

Tom Segura 40:30 You've, you've done a terrible job-

Joe Rogan 40:32 (laughs)

Tom Segura 40:32 ... Pete. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:34 So was it during COVID? Did people get fired and then they decided to do other things, and they never took the jobs again?

Tom Segura 40:41 Some people got fired. Some, some people were just ... Well, I mean, I think more people were even just let go. Like-

Joe Rogan 40:45 Mm.

Tom Segura 40:46 You know, there's a lot of places like that had to shut down their operations. They had no more revenue coming in.

Joe Rogan 40:52 Right.

Tom Segura 40:52 So they let people go. And then, you've seen what happened with, what's, what happened with, uh, commercial real estate.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Mm.

Tom Segura 40:58 Commercial real estate is upside down in this country.

Joe Rogan 41:02 Is it?

Tom Segura 41:03 Yes. You know why?

Joe Rogan 41:04 Why?

Tom Segura 41:05 Because people don't want to go to offices-

Joe Rogan 41:07 Right.

Tom Segura 41:07 ... still anymore.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Yeah. They're won't-

Tom Segura 41:08 Still.

Joe Rogan 41:08 They wanna do remote work.

Tom Segura 41:10 They wanna do remote work.

Joe Rogan 41:10 They wanna work in their pajamas and jerk off.

Tom Segura 41:12 So the people who, if you have these big commercial buildings ... I mean, they, the, it used to be like this huge, uh, asset to own this commercial real estate.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 41:24 And now it's like a liability.

Joe Rogan 41:25 Hmm.

Tom Segura 41:26 'Cause you have empty offices, dude. You have empty offices all over the country, and you can't fill them up.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Mm.

Tom Segura 41:32 You can't force people ... And then there's companies that have just ... I know somebody that owns a company that said we ... He goes, "I ..." Like a lot of people goes, "I wanted people to come here, and I want them in the office." And he was met with like su- such total resistance. He goes, "I just realized I had to allow it, like if, if we were gonna continue to operate."

Joe Rogan 41:55 Wow.

Tom Segura 41:55 So he, he just gave into his employees going, "No, we don't wanna do that."

Joe Rogan 42:01 Wow.

Tom Segura 42:02 Yeah. And it's a sizable operation he has.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Wow. So people just say, "No, I wanna work at home."

Tom Segura 42:07 Yeah. And they're like, "And I've been working, and I'm effective." And, and to a degree, they are, like in his case, they're cor- ... Like he's like, "You know, the work was getting done. I just prefer to have everybody operating the way we normally had." But he was like, everybody was like, "No. I used to, I, I, I had to, I used to do an hour and a half commute every day. I don't want ... I did- I haven't done that now in two years. I don't wanna do it again."

Joe Rogan 42:28 Mm.

Tom Segura 42:28 And then he had to go like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 42:31 As long as they're disciplined-

Tom Segura 42:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:33 ... and as long as they're actually effective, I could see that. But then you get this-

Tom Segura 42:36 I do, I do too.

Joe Rogan 42:36 ... stupid ass office. What do we-

Tom Segura 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:38 What do we do with this place, with all these offices?

Tom Segura 42:39 Hence why this commercial-

Joe Rogan 42:42 Yeah.

Tom Segura 42:42 ... real estate business is like in the shitter.

Joe Rogan 42:44 ... wow. I wonder what happens with that, 'cause it doesn't seem like that's gonna change. But there are a lot of CEOs that are supposedly pushing back on all this stuff. I keep reading articles-

Tom Segura 42:53 I guess-

Joe Rogan 42:53 ... every day about-

Tom Segura 42:54 ... the interesting thing is, you know how every, like, people always adapt, right?

Joe Rogan 42:57 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 42:58 Things, noth- nothing just goes... If something's losing money, people don't just go, "Well, I guess we'll just lose money forever."

Joe Rogan 43:03 Right.

Tom Segura 43:04 So, there is going to be a point, and maybe it's happening now, where you're gonna start seeing something done with this commercial property. Like, some, like if, if things stay vacant, they're not just gonna hold onto that for 15 years.

Joe Rogan 43:19 Yeah.

Tom Segura 43:19 They're gonna turn that into something. So-

Joe Rogan 43:21 I was reading some dipshit comedian on Twitter-

Tom Segura 43:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:24 ... saying that they should turn all that into housing-

Tom Segura 43:27 Great.

Joe Rogan 43:27 ... for homeless people.

Tom Segura 43:28 Yeah, that is very popular.

Joe Rogan 43:29 Well, that's really good if you don't own the building, you fucking-

Tom Segura 43:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 ... communist.

Tom Segura 43:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Like, what are you talking about?

Tom Segura 43:34 I mean, I gotta say, that also reminds me of this, you know, and I know this will be unpopular for a lot of people to hear, but the idea of forgiving, uh, student loans. It's a fantastic theory, but one thing that nobody considers, who is a huge advocate of that, is, okay, so somebody owns that debt. That debt is owned. So, are you saying, when you say forgive, who are you saying will... Are you saying that the government will just pay all of that debt? Do you have an i- idea the amount of debt that that is? Somebody owns the debt. So, you, if you go, "Forgive the debt," to what degree? Like, are you just saying erase it? It doesn't just disappear. The debt is owned.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Right.

Tom Segura 44:18 So, when you say, "Just pay it," who? Who are you saying will pay it, in taxes?

Joe Rogan 44:24 Right, everybody's gonna pay it then.

Tom Segura 44:26 Right, so-

Joe Rogan 44:26 (clears throat)

Tom Segura 44:27 ... the debt just doesn't g- g- get erased, is my point.

Joe Rogan 44:30 But there is a bizarre issue with student loan debt, that student loan debt is the only debt that you can't declare bankruptcy.

Tom Segura 44:36 Yeah, that part is-

Joe Rogan 44:36 That's crazy.

Tom Segura 44:37 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 44:38 It's crazy.

Tom Segura 44:38 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 44:38 That doesn't make any sense.

Tom Segura 44:39 But when you say forgive it, you, it's not just... Like, I think a lot of people say that and they go, "I just don't want to pay this." Yeah, of course, I understand that.

Joe Rogan 44:46 Yeah.

Tom Segura 44:46 But you realize that somebody has to pay it. Debt just, it doesn't just go into the sky.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Right.

Tom Segura 44:52 Somebody owns that debt. So, who's gonna pay it? Is, if you say that the, the government will forgive student loans, I mean, that amount has to be in, like, the trillions.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Wonder what it is. Let's find out. What's the collective student loan debt in the United States as of 20-

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:11 I think, you know, there is a differentiation in this conversation, that it's federal student loan debt, not private student loan debt-

Tom Segura 45:16 Hmm.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:16 ... which is a big difference.

Tom Segura 45:17 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Okay.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:19 That, that's companies that do on that debt, versus, like, the government that granted-

Tom Segura 45:23 So, this is just federal-

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:24 ... stuff like that.

Tom Segura 45:25 ... federal-

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:25 Um.

Tom Segura 45:26 ... student loans.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:26 Pretty sure of that.

Joe Rogan 45:27 Hmm. Okay, so there's two different types of loan debt. Uh, so I would, I wanna know what it is compared to the military industrial complex budget. (laughs)

Tom Segura 45:37 Oh, yeah. Right. That budget is astronomical.

Joe Rogan 45:40 That's a budget, boy.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:42 Uh-

Joe Rogan 45:42 They accidentally paid an extra six billion-

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:44 There it is.

Joe Rogan 45:44 ... to Ukraine. They're like, "Whoops."

Tom Segura 45:45 Whoopsie.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:46 See, this-

Tom Segura 45:47 Typo.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:47 ... with this statement, I don't know if this is differentiating that either. It says it's 1.78 trillion in student loan debt.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Whoa.

Tom Segura 45:52 It's a lot, dude.

Joe Rogan 45:53 Whoa.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 45:53 To the US.

Joe Rogan 45:54 That's more than people owe on any other type of debt in the US, except for mortgages, though the Biden adminis- administration is trying to forgive hundreds of billions of dollars in student loan balances. That's more than people owe on any other type of debt in the US. Well, except for mortgages.

Tom Segura 46:09 But I mean, isn't that... Like, you see what I'm saying?

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 46:11 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 46:11 Like, if you, if you just say, "Hey, forget, erase this debt."

Joe Rogan 46:15 Yeah.

Tom Segura 46:15 Okay. I, I mean, I get it, but you do understand that that has to come from somewhere.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Right.

Tom Segura 46:19 It's not just their, them going-

Joe Rogan 46:20 It's not your debt.

Tom Segura 46:21 Yeah.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 46:21 That is both. That is federal and private together.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Okay, so that's all of it.

Tom Segura 46:25 1.75 trillion.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Hmm. Click on that so we can see what it says there. It says, "On, on average..." Hmm. It says, uh, "Cost of college has steadily increased over the last 30 years. In that timeframe, tuition costs at public four-year colleges grew from $4,160 to 10,740, and from 19,360 to 38,070-"

Tom Segura 46:49 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 46:50 "... to, at private nonprofit institutions-

Tom Segura 46:51 Dude.

Joe Rogan 46:51 ... adjusted for inflation. All costs have risen, so has the need for student loans and other forms of financial aid." Imagine if you're a person that makes 100 grand a year, and your kid is going to school and it costs $38,000 a year.

Tom Segura 47:02 It's fucking insane.

Joe Rogan 47:02 And then your kid gets out and they get a $50,000 a year job, and you realize they're never gonna pay this back.

Tom Segura 47:06 It's insane. It's, what they're doing i- like, it is-

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 47:09 That's what they wanted to get rid of.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Says 92% of all student debt are federal student loans. The remaining-

Tom Segura 47:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:14 ... amount is private student loans.

Tom Segura 47:16 Okay, so it's a-

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 47:17 That's high.

Tom Segura 47:17 ... it's a trillion.

Guest (unidentified, short interjection) 47:18 Yeah.

Tom Segura 47:19 It's a trillion plus.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Yeah.

Tom Segura 47:20 That's a lot, dude.

Joe Rogan 47:21 It's a lot. And so, how much have we spent on Ukraine, and how much are we gonna spend on Ukraine? But here's the thing, like, if you forgave that debt, wouldn't that spark the economy? Wouldn't, like, if, if people have more money... The thing about when people have more money, people spend more money. When people spend more money, the, the economy does better. And people are straddled with student loan debt, I gotta think that somehow or another, it cripples the economy.

Tom Segura 47:43 I don't think you're wrong in theory about that.

Joe Rogan 47:45 Yeah.

Tom Segura 47:45 I mean, uh, it would, it would seem that, like, you'd obviously have more to do.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Yeah.

Tom Segura 47:50 You could do more with your money.

Joe Rogan 47:51 And it's not like you're giving people money. You're just a- absolving them of debt.

Tom Segura 47:55 Which is a huge one.

Joe Rogan 47:56 The real pro- The real problem is the, the whole predatory student loan situation.

Tom Segura 48:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:00 That's the, that's a real problem. And it's also a real problem to saddle down a 17-year-old with debt that they will keep for the rest of their life.

Tom Segura 48:07 And they hit you at that same time at the student union with your first credit card, and they're like, "Just use this."

Joe Rogan 48:11 Ugh.

Tom Segura 48:12 And it's got 29.9% APR.

Joe Rogan 48:14 Yeah.

Tom Segura 48:14 You're like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 48:14 Insane.

Tom Segura 48:15 You don't know what the fuck you're getting into.

Joe Rogan 48:16 And you need to do it to build your credit.

Tom Segura 48:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:17 I need to. I need to to build my credit.

Tom Segura 48:19 Oh, I gotta have this. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 Yeah.

Tom Segura 48:20 And you're paying-

Joe Rogan 48:20 I'm gonna buy a car.

Tom Segura 48:20 You're paying 26 bucks a month for a coffee you bought.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Yeah.

Tom Segura 48:24 You know? It's, it's crazy. It is crazy.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Yeah, it's, the whole thing is insane, but it's insane that we do it to kids, because, you know, kids don't have a sense of the future. They just don't. They've only been alive for 18 years. 18 years is not enough time to figure out h- what kind of debt you're gonna be in when you're 70.

Tom Segura 48:43 Don't you wonder, too, why, why when we're in school-... and it's still not a thing, when kids are in school, we don't, like, really teach them about money.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Mm.

Tom Segura 48:53 Like, you don't, you don't learn shit about money.

Joe Rogan 48:55 You don't learn shit.

Tom Segura 48:56 In, I'm saying at any level-

Joe Rogan 48:58 Yeah.

Tom Segura 48:58 ... elementary school, high school.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Well, you don't learn shit about anything you need to manage life.

Tom Segura 49:02 No.

Joe Rogan 49:03 You're basically learning how to say words and not form sentences.

Tom Segura 49:08 You don't learn about ...

Joe Rogan 49:09 (laughs)

Tom Segura 49:09 Yeah. You don't learn about money.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Yeah.

Tom Segura 49:10 You don't learn about nutrition.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Nope.

Tom Segura 49:11 Nothing about that.

Joe Rogan 49:12 You don't learn about thinking.

Tom Segura 49:14 No.

Joe Rogan 49:14 I mean, you, you know how many kids could be saved from a lifetime of bullshit if you just explained to them why jealousy, why it affects them?

Tom Segura 49:21 Sure. Emotions.

Joe Rogan 49:22 And then, yeah, explain that the- these are just natural human emotions that we evolve, but you have to learn how to conquer them.

Tom Segura 49:28 And you learn how to pro-... You learn that, like, one of the most amazing... It's, it seems like it's something you should be taught in, like, middle school, is feel feelings, let them sit.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Tom Segura 49:37 When you feel jealous-

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yeah.

Tom Segura 49:39 ... you're not, you're not supposed to never feel jealous.

Joe Rogan 49:41 Right.

Tom Segura 49:41 But you learn to go, "Okay, that's the feeling."

Joe Rogan 49:44 Yeah.

Tom Segura 49:44 "I'm feeli- and this is why I feel jealous about it." And guess what? All feelings, they, they dissipate.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 49:50 But you... It's, they get worse, they extend when you fight them, when you resist, when you-

Joe Rogan 49:54 Mm.

Tom Segura 49:54 "I don't wanna feel it." And you, and you don't wanna actually process the feeling-

Joe Rogan 49:58 Mm.

Tom Segura 49:58 ... and deal with it. I mean, having that understanding that all those emotions are natural to have, it, it's like, it really is something that could serve you so much better to learn younger. I don't wanna learn that at 40.

Joe Rogan 50:10 Right.

Tom Segura 50:10 Teach me that at 13.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Right.

Tom Segura 50:12 You know? Yeah. It would, it would make high school a lot easier to deal with.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they should teach kids the value of exercise in terms of mental health, the, the, the-

Tom Segura 50:20 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:20 ... benefits that it has on that. Nope, you have to figure that out on your own.

Tom Segura 50:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:23 You figure that out through trial and error, through your own life.

Tom Segura 50:26 Totally.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Yeah. Nobody's teaching... Unless you're listening to podcasts, nobody's teaching you that in school.

Tom Segura 50:30 How to think.

Joe Rogan 50:31 No.

Tom Segura 50:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:31 No one's teaching you how to think. And n- no one's tea- no one who you admire, who lives a, a, a good life is teaching you how they do it.

Tom Segura 50:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:39 You know, that's, that's another thing. People are real stingy with, you know, their own-

Tom Segura 50:43 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:43 ... personal success formulas.

Tom Segura 50:45 Oh, yeah. Well, that's when you... Uh, that's one of my big, like, the litmus test for a good person, like, when I th- when I go, "This is a cool motherfucker," is people who are willing to share information.

Joe Rogan 50:55 Hmm.

Tom Segura 50:56 It's a, it's a really, like, it's a gauge-

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yes.

Tom Segura 50:58 ... for, like, a solid person-

Joe Rogan 50:59 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:00 ... is when you go like, like, "How did you, uh, how'd you build this studio?" There's the person who goes, "Uh, sh- takes work. I had my, my guys."

Joe Rogan 51:09 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:09 And you're like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 51:11 (laughs)

Tom Segura 51:11 Right? That's them going like-

Joe Rogan 51:12 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:12 ... "I'm not gonna tell you."

Joe Rogan 51:13 Right. Exactly.

Tom Segura 51:14 "That's mine."

Joe Rogan 51:14 Exactly.

Tom Segura 51:15 And then, there's the person who's like, "Here's his card. Give him a call. He's awesome."

Joe Rogan 51:19 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:19 It's like people who share information, whatever it is-

Joe Rogan 51:22 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 51:22 ... are the people who don't have that insecurity that, like, "Well, if, if you have it, then it's no longer mine."

Joe Rogan 51:28 Right. And by the way, it's only good. It's good for the person, like say if it's your- it's someone who does something. You need a na- a mechanic. I have the best fucking mechanic-

Tom Segura 51:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:36 ... in Austin. This guy's the shit.

Tom Segura 51:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 I'll tell you about him. I'll fucking-

Tom Segura 51:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:40 You know? And then, if you do that and then he gets work.

Tom Segura 51:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:43 And then, he goes, "Oh, Joe says you're awesome."

Tom Segura 51:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:45 "Oh, that's nice." Everybody feels good. Everybody feels good.

Tom Segura 51:47 Is- isn't that amazing, though?

Joe Rogan 51:48 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:48 How, how people... Some people are like-

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:50 ... "No, that's my mechanic."

Joe Rogan 51:50 "Yeah, but if I call, if I give you him, I need my fucking car worked on first."

Tom Segura 51:55 First. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:56 "First."

Tom Segura 51:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 "Okay?"

Tom Segura 51:58 It's such a stupid law.

Joe Rogan 51:58 "So you gotta tell me if you're gonna bring your car in."

Tom Segura 52:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:00 "Because if I need my car worked on, I called first."

Tom Segura 52:04 And you're there. Yeah. Ugh. It's gross.

Joe Rogan 52:06 It's just famine, a famine mentality.

Tom Segura 52:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:08 It's common in everything.

Tom Segura 52:10 Totally.

Joe Rogan 52:10 It's a stupid mindset. But it also comes from g- being around groups of people to think that way.

Tom Segura 52:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:15 If you, if you get fortunate enough to be around someone who doesn't think that... Uh, uh, I'm very fortunate in martial arts, 'cause in martial arts, it's a very, uh, m- meritocracy-based thing, where... And it's also you need really good people to get good.

Tom Segura 52:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 So everybody, like, cherishes and, and, and also respects and celebrates people that are really good.

Tom Segura 52:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:36 'Cause it's like, it's good for everybody.

Tom Segura 52:37 It is.

Joe Rogan 52:38 It's al- it's good i- in comedy, too. When you see someone killing, you're like, "Damn, go, go watch this guy, watch this guy."

Tom Segura 52:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:42 "Fuck."

Tom Segura 52:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:43 And then, you get a juice.

Tom Segura 52:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:44 You get a little juice out of it.

Tom Segura 52:45 Yeah, you-

Joe Rogan 52:46 If you look at it the right way.

Tom Segura 52:47 Yeah, you do. Uh, watching great standup is like medicinal.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Mm.

Tom Segura 52:52 It, it is inspiring.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Yes. Yes, yes.

Tom Segura 52:53 Uh, it make, and it makes you go, like... I mean, I think I told you this, that, like, when I was at The Club and Attell was in town-

Joe Rogan 52:59 Mm.

Tom Segura 53:00 ... it was just a great remi- not just watching him on stage, which was fantastic, but just hanging out with him.

Joe Rogan 53:06 Yes.

Tom Segura 53:07 It just took me, like... It actually took me back to, like, "Oh, yes," like hanging out with somebody like this in the green room reminds you of all the things you love about doing standup.

Joe Rogan 53:17 The green room at that club-

Tom Segura 53:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:19 ... has been the greatest thing that I've ever experienced.

Tom Segura 53:22 Yeah, it's been great.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Because I knew... Well, first of all, I knew the p- the setup was perfect 'cause both, both rooms are right next to the gr- the green room is in the center.

Tom Segura 53:30 In the middle. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:31 In the center. It's literally that you mean you can go from the green room onto the little stage in f- 30 seconds.

Tom Segura 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:36 And then, you can go downstairs to get to the other one, and you're watching on the monitors, and you got the balcony.

Tom Segura 53:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:41 It's so centrally located. It's so perfect.

Tom Segura 53:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 And you, you're above the... You can go watch the show from the balcony.

Tom Segura 53:48 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:48 So any time, like, you know, uh, Shane Gilles is on stage-

Tom Segura 53:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:51 ... go out there and watch his set.

Tom Segura 53:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 We'll watch his set. Bah! And you go back inside, and everybody's laughing. It's fucking amazing.

Tom Segura 53:57 It's a great thing.

Joe Rogan 53:58 The, the hang is so good.

Tom Segura 54:00 Yeah. It tha- it's all about the hang, 'cause that was the be-... You know, that's... We used to always say that about the store, too-

Joe Rogan 54:04 Yes.

Tom Segura 54:04 ... is that... What was the best part of the store? You go to the parking lot.

Joe Rogan 54:08 Yeah.

Tom Segura 54:08 Like, standing in the parking lot-

Joe Rogan 54:09 Yeah.

Tom Segura 54:10 ... and just shooting the shit with people.

Joe Rogan 54:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is... We have a parking lot with a bar-

Tom Segura 54:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:14 ... and a private bathroom.

Tom Segura 54:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:15 It's like the whole thing is set up. It's nice.

Tom Segura 54:18 It's awesome. It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 54:19 It's so nice. But the, the, just the, uh, to be able to be around those guys all the time. Rich Vos was in last week.

Tom Segura 54:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Oh my God, he's fun.

Tom Segura 54:26 I was, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:27 I think Tony Woods is there this weekend.

Tom Segura 54:29 I was trying to... 'Cause I only came in for the night, um, but I, I was trying to make it last night and I got delayed. I couldn't come in.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Is Tony Woods there this weekend?

Narrator 54:35 I believe so.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Tony Woods is a funny motherfucker.

Tom Segura 54:39 Tony Woods is so funny.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Oh my God, he's so good. I was so excited to get him in here. He went to the Vulcan. That fucking guy went, went on, onstage at the Vulcan with some shit that he was just talking about in the green room. Like, we- it ju- and to sum th- not a bit.

Tom Segura 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 He did it organic.

Tom Segura 54:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:53 And then, went onstage and was killing for five minutes with it.

Tom Segura 54:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Just so smooth.

Tom Segura 54:59 He's so smooth.

Joe Rogan 55:00 So... What a veteran. Tony was a veteran when I met him.

Tom Segura 55:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:04 So I met him in, like, '90...... '92?

Tom Segura 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 '91? Somewhere around there?

Tom Segura 55:10 And no, and no, like, arrogance about that guy.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Sends me Bible verses.

Tom Segura 55:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Sends me Bible verses and tells me, "God bless me," all the time. All the time, dude. There he is.

Tom Segura 55:20 He's so- People don't even know.

Joe Rogan 55:21 He's so good. Folks, if you get this... When is this coming out? Is this coming out tomorrow? Tomorrow. Yeah, so if you get this July 7th through 9th, Tony Woods at the Mothership. It's probably already sold out. Can't recommend it enough. He's so good.

Tom Segura 55:33 I did, uh, Shoreline Amphitheater in, um, Northern California. I think that's what it's called.

Joe Rogan 55:38 Mm.

Tom Segura 55:38 Just north of San Francisco, San Francisco, with, um, Chappelle and, like, a lineup. You know, like a-

Joe Rogan 55:44 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 55:44 ... festival-style lineup. Dude, Tony Woods went up, like, fifth and did, I don't know, 20 minutes? 18, 20 minutes? And it was 22,000 people.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Whoo!

Tom Segura 55:59 And he got a standing ovation.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Gosh.

Tom Segura 56:02 And the rest of us just looked at each other and we were like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 56:04 (laughs)

Tom Segura 56:04 'Cause we all, we all had to go ask him. We were like, "Fuck." And he got off and I go, "What the fuck was that?" Like, his standing ovation. He goes, "It was a college set." That's what he... 'Cause it- it was, like, a set that he did at col- He goes, "It was a college set." And I go, "What the fuck, man?"

Joe Rogan 56:19 What are you talking about, it's a college... That's how comedy is.

Tom Segura 56:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:22 But also, Chappelle fans know.

Tom Segura 56:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Like, real hardcore Chappelle fans know.

Tom Segura 56:27 Yeah, that there was...

Joe Rogan 56:27 Yeah, that Dave was really inspired by Tony and they'd been friends.

Tom Segura 56:30 And Tony took him under his wing.

Joe Rogan 56:31 Yes.

Tom Segura 56:32 Dave was, like-

Joe Rogan 56:32 Yes.

Tom Segura 56:32 ... a teenager.

Joe Rogan 56:33 A teenager.

Tom Segura 56:34 In DC. Yes. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:35 Yeah, yeah. And they've been friends for decades. Yeah.

Tom Segura 56:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:38 I'm so glad the internet sort of brought Tony Woods back in people's mind.

Tom Segura 56:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:43 You know, with podcasts.

Tom Segura 56:43 You guys don't know, if, if, if you have not seen this guy... A, a-

Joe Rogan 56:47 Yeah.

Tom Segura 56:47 Truly a masterful standup.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Masterful.

Tom Segura 56:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 I mean, the best guy.

Tom Segura 56:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:52 He's on the podcast Thur- Thursday? Thursday. Yeah.

Tom Segura 56:56 So fucking funny.

Joe Rogan 56:57 I love that guy.

Tom Segura 56:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:58 He's... But, but it's the sweetest guy in the world-

Tom Segura 57:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:00 ... man.

Tom Segura 57:00 He probably... The funny thing is he's probably done what I just described to you so many times, that if you brought it up to him he'd be like, "Ah..."

Joe Rogan 57:05 "Oh, yeah."

Tom Segura 57:06 "... I don't know."

Joe Rogan 57:06 "You know, I'm out there killing."

Tom Segura 57:07 "Yeah. You know."

Joe Rogan 57:08 But it's that guy that has a total lack of promotion. He doesn't promote an- He's- has zero promotion in him. He doesn't promote anything.

Tom Segura 57:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Unfortunately. Because the talent level's through the fucking roof. He's one of the best comics on Earth.

Tom Segura 57:23 Totally. And I-

Joe Rogan 57:23 Top 20 on Earth.

Tom Segura 57:24 I bet he could also... Is one of the guys who legitimately, like, uh, at your club, if he wanted to, could do, like, five different sets.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Oh, yeah.

Tom Segura 57:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Oh, yeah.

Tom Segura 57:35 Like, for an hour every-

Joe Rogan 57:35 He's been around forever.

Tom Segura 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 And he just... He- he's got material on everything.

Tom Segura 57:38 "That's my theme park set, man."

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yeah.

Tom Segura 57:40 You know? You're like, "Oh, okay." (laughs) Just an hour-

Joe Rogan 57:42 "Oh, that's 'Cowboys Are In Town.'"

Tom Segura 57:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:44 You know?

Tom Segura 57:44 And they're like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 57:47 (laughs)

Tom Segura 57:47 "Is that your new hour?" "Ah, it's from '96, man."

Joe Rogan 57:50 Ugh.

Tom Segura 57:50 "Okay."

Joe Rogan 57:51 Yeah. No, he's a murderer.

Tom Segura 57:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:53 It's so good. But, you know, it's like, that's the beautiful thing about this business is you will run into those guys that are much more talented than they are popular.

Tom Segura 58:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:03 It's interesting. And then you run into people that are much more popular than they are talented.

Tom Segura 58:06 (laughs) Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:07 People that are really good at staying popular. And not, not-

Tom Segura 58:10 That, that's a skillset.

Joe Rogan 58:10 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 58:11 That's what you realize the long-

Joe Rogan 58:12 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 58:12 ... the longer you do this. And I think that is only relevant in the internet age.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Yes.

Tom Segura 58:17 In the age of this, where like s- people... There are people who always have that thing of like they know how to get people talking about 'em.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Yes.

Tom Segura 58:25 And juiced up about them.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 58:27 And it becomes the- it becomes, like, the thing that they actually worked on.

Joe Rogan 58:32 Right.

Tom Segura 58:32 You go, "What have you been working on?" They're like, "Staying popular." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:35 Right.

Tom Segura 58:35 Like-

Joe Rogan 58:35 "Look at my promotions."

Tom Segura 58:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Yeah.

Tom Segura 58:37 It's a big thing.

Joe Rogan 58:38 But then you look at their standup and you go, "Do you gotta do that with that stuff?" (laughs)

Tom Segura 58:41 I remember, I remember, like, an early version of this where this guy was like, "Can you get me on stage at this club?" And he had, he had... I- I kinda knew. I didn't know him well, and I probably should have listened to my own inner dialogue about that. But I was like, you know you feel the pressure when the person's right in front of you? So I go, "All right." So the club owner is there, and I go, "Can my friend do a spot?" And they're like, "Is he good?" And I'm like, "Yeah." (laughs) So he goes up and he, he pretty much just eats shit, right?

Joe Rogan 59:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Segura 59:25 And I was like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 59:28 (laughs)

Tom Segura 59:28 And so, of course, the club guy's like, "The fuck was that?"

Joe Rogan 59:31 Right.

Tom Segura 59:32 And I'm like, "I don't know." So I talk to him and I go, "Dude, you know..." He goes, just, "If you'll let me do another-"

Joe Rogan 59:42 (laughs)

Tom Segura 59:42 "... a s- a set on The Late Show-"

Joe Rogan 59:44 (laughs)

Tom Segura 59:44 "... uh-"

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yeah.

Tom Segura 59:45 "... I'll do a different set."

Joe Rogan 59:46 Mm-mm.

Tom Segura 59:46 And I was like... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 59:48 Yeah.

Tom Segura 59:48 So I t- I go, "Let him do a different set on The Late Show." And the club owner's like-

Joe Rogan 59:53 "No."

Tom Segura 59:54 "... Are you sure?"

Joe Rogan 59:55 "No."

Tom Segura 59:55 And I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

Joe Rogan 59:56 "No."

Tom Segura 59:58 And here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 59:59 How many years in were you?

Tom Segura 1:00:00 A few. Not many.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Not now.

Tom Segura 1:00:02 And I go, "No, no, no." And I go, uh, I go... All right. Here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:00:08 The reason I've even brought this up is that the guy, this was years ago, had like the best website I'd ever seen at the time.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 No way.

Tom Segura 1:00:15 I was like, "This website's fucking amazing." And like all his marketing tools were incredible.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:00:20 You know? Like, he had like cool business card, and like you went to his site and you were like, "Shit, it looks like-"

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 The geo-locate?

Tom Segura 1:00:27 Yeah, dude. Like his-

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:00:28 ... site looked like fucking Nike built it, you know? I was like, "This thing is fucking rad," you know? And he goes up on the second, the- for his second set. Not only does he eat shit, but he does the same set as, like, as the first.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:00:42 Right? And I go, "Dude, you did the same shit." And he was just like, "Ah, yeah." And I could see he was in the... And I actually left there, I go, "All your shit is cool."... your website." And... I go, "You gotta work more on what you're doing on stage, so..."

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:00:56 Like, that's your priority.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 Don't you think, though, that that's, like, a distraction-

Tom Segura 1:01:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 ... because they're not working on that other stuff?

Tom Segura 1:01:02 1000%.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 So they, they concentrate on the promotion because they're distracting themselves from the fact they're not working on the difficult stuff.

Tom Segura 1:01:10 And not only is that 100% true, but there are so many parallels in life to that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Sure.

Tom Segura 1:01:15 We can all go, like, "I'm working on this thing-

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:01:17 ... to avoid this thing."

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Yes.

Tom Segura 1:01:19 And then you can... And especially if you get good at the side thing-

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:01:22 ... and then people go like, "Oh, wow, yeah, your cooking really has gotten incredible."

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Yes.

Tom Segura 1:01:27 And then you're just, like, not working on anything else, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Yes.

Tom Segura 1:01:30 It's very easy to do.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Very easy.

Tom Segura 1:01:32 And we can all trick ourselves.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:01:34 Very, very easy to trick yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Yeah. It's very easy to do. Yeah. It's, um...

Tom Segura 1:01:40 With standup, it's incredibly easy to be like, "I'm working on this other project, though."

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Right. And you can make excuses.

Tom Segura 1:01:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 I did that when I was on news radio, for sure. I was doing the same set for, like, two years. I wasn't fixing anything.

Tom Segura 1:01:54 Kills you, internally.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Killed me. Killed me, um, just my ability. I was... I wasn't connected to the material anymore. I was just saying it, you know? And then I had one set in front of some producers, and I bombed. Ate shit. And then I, I really felt bad. I really felt... 'Cause I knew why I ate shit. I just... I knew I had a flat set, which was not connected. Wasn't... And I knew I wasn't working on it. I hadn't written anything in a long time, and then I bore down, and I got way better. Like, within six months, I was, I was killing.

Tom Segura 1:02:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 I was doing all this new shit. I was completely reinvigorated.

Tom Segura 1:02:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 You know. I was also getting better sets, too. Like, the sh- the set I bombed, it was like 1:00 AM in the main room, where you cannot be sucky. You have to grab those people-

Tom Segura 1:02:43 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 ... and hang onto them. You have to gr- they have to know you're good.

Tom Segura 1:02:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 They've seen everything. It's 1:00 in the morning-

Tom Segura 1:02:51 Horrible.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 ... in Hollywood. And I was, you know, going on after people that were way better than me. And I just ate shit.

Tom Segura 1:02:57 Yeah, you need those sets, though.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 They're so good for you.

Tom Segura 1:03:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Those fucking bombs. It's like heartbreak, too. You need those... It sounds like a terrible, counterintuitive thing, to feel bad is good for you, but... You need perspective, and it only c- the real perspective only comes the hard way.

Tom Segura 1:03:14 Disappointment. Yeah, disappointment.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:03:16 Heartbreak, like you said.

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Failure. Failure.

Tom Segura 1:03:18 Heartbreak is a, is a real good one.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Yeah, failure.

Tom Segura 1:03:20 Yeah, you fail.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 Failure in a relationship, failure in a friendship, failure in a business venture, failure artistically, failure athletically.

Tom Segura 1:03:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Failure, failure, failure.

Tom Segura 1:03:32 You mean...

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Yeah, that shit right there (laughs) .

Tom Segura 1:03:33 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Dude, when you were saying the patella, d- that... I, I had a patellar tendon graft on my left knee when I got my ACL reconstructed. And they took a slice of the patella. They, they were like, "Don't worry about it. That thing's really big." I was like... And now I'm thinking about it, I'm like, "How big is it?"

Tom Segura 1:03:47 And you know mine snapped?

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 It flows out.

Tom Segura 1:03:48 He goes, uh, he goes like, "90..." Forget the... "93% of patellar tendon tears happen at a connection point." In o- in other words, you know, there's two points-

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:04:00 ... of connection, either at the, uh, on the patella, or on the, what is it? The tibia? If... I might be-

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:04:07 ... incorrect.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:04:08 He's like, "Yours snapped in the middle." He goes, "Which just takes a tremendous amount of force."

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Oof.

Tom Segura 1:04:14 Which makes sense when you think about how... 'Cause I was leaping.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:04:17 He's like, "You're leaping as hard as you can, like..."

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Right.

Tom Segura 1:04:19 And then you-

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 And you were tired, and you'd fucked it up the, the couple of days before, right?

Tom Segura 1:04:22 I'd fucked it up earlier that day.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Oh, Jesus.

Tom Segura 1:04:25 And so... And he's li- he's like, "So it's a really weird... Like, it's an unusual place to tear."

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Mm. Injuries, bro.

Tom Segura 1:04:32 Injuries, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 I've had so many.

Tom Segura 1:04:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 But you know what? That's another good thing about martial arts and jujitsu. It's like, I understand, like, that there's stuff you have to do to make sure you don't get injured as often.

Tom Segura 1:04:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Like, that's one of the reasons why I stay strong. Like, I don't want to be weak. When you're weak, you get hurt. You know, and old people? That's one of the major reasons why they fall down, is just, they're feeble.

Tom Segura 1:04:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 You know, there's a, there's an interesting video, uh, not a video, um, a photography series of cross-sections of people's anatomy done through MRI.

Tom Segura 1:05:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 So they show, uh, a 70-year-old sedentary person next to a 70-year-old triathlete. It's wild.

Tom Segura 1:05:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 They show a 40-year-old sedentary person next to a 40-year-old, uh, um, triathlete.

Tom Segura 1:05:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 And there's all these... I mean, obviously, I'm not saying you have to be a triathlete, but just being strong, being strong enough to do stuff, is so important, and the only way you get that way is lifting weights-

Tom Segura 1:05:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 ... and working out.

Tom Segura 1:05:33 The only thing I, I keep preaching to my friends and my family circle of people I'm around, especially guys... Guys and women, I wanna make that point too, women too, is you have to have resistance, weight resistance.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:05:47 People get into their... They, when they hear that, they keep thinking, like, tremendously heavyweight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 No.

Tom Segura 1:05:53 Like, "Oh, I'm not gonna be a powerlifter." And you're like, "No shit."

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:05:56 Like, and you shouldn't even try to be. Just-

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 Yeah, there it is. Look at the cross-section. So the top is the guy who has the, um, th- the workout schedule, and it's all muscle. And then the bottom is just mostly fat, the same size leg.

Tom Segura 1:06:10 God.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 And there's just this weak-ass, bitch-ass muscle around the fat.

Tom Segura 1:06:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 When I see that, I wanna leg kick him. That bottom one just, just imagine-

Tom Segura 1:06:19 Well, you know what you see too, like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 ... what kind of damage you would do from slamming a shin into that?

Tom Segura 1:06:22 ... 'cause when you're in the hotel gyms, and sometimes you see these dudes, of all ages, but I would say starting at, like, 40 into the 70s, is the guy who walks... He walks in with kind of like the beginning-

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:06:35 ... of dropped head syndrome.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 Uh-huh.

Tom Segura 1:06:36 Like this. And immediately, you know this guy's going to the elliptical or treadmill.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:06:43 'Cause that guy doesn't lift weights, right? Nobody... Like, a- and all you have to do, like, not all you have to do, but if you wanna avoid that path, weight training.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:06:53 Start lifting weights.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:06:55 Have some type of resistance training. Put your body under that stress, your muscles and your skeletal structure under the stress of picking up something.

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:07:03 And resisting. Build your muscle.

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:07:05 I have, like, this conversation with my cousins and my...... like, siblings and my friends all the time who I, I, I see on the path of, like, not touching weights.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:07:15 I'm like, "Dude, it's not gonna... You're not gonna be fine just doing the elliptical."

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 Right. Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:07:20 It's... You're gonna deteriorate.

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 Even guys that I know that do jujitsu, especially as they get into their 40s, I always tell them, "You're not working out? You're not... Other than training, you're only doing jujitsu?" And they're like, "Yeah." I go, "Dude, at least once a little bit every day.

Tom Segura 1:07:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 The, the key is a little every day. That's the Pavel Tsatsouline method. You know, I think i- if you can... If you're doing something else, like jujitsu, you really... You can get by with a couple of workouts in the morning and a couple of workouts in the afternoon where you're not even killing yourself. You're