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Joe Rogan Experience #2005 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a stand-up comic, actor, podcaster, and author. He co-hosts two podcasts, "Your Mom's House," with his wife, comic Christina Pazsitsky, and "Two Bears, One Cave," with comic Bert Kreischer. He's also the host of his own podcast, "Tom Segura en Español," and is the author of "I'd Like to Play Alone, Please: Essays." His new comedy special, "Tom Segura: Sledgehammer," premieres July 4 on Netflix. www.tomsegura.com

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  1. 0:00 – 3:07

    Consistency, delayed gratification, and why workouts stabilize your mood

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeehaw, what's up, Tommy Fun?

    3. TS

      What's up, my man?

    4. JR

      How are you, my brother? What's cracking?

    5. TS

      I'm doing well. I'm super stoked, man. Thanks for having me.

    6. JR

      Lookin' good, lookin' lean.

    7. TS

      Grrr.

    8. JR

      You've- you've fucking stuck with it, man. You fuckin' stuck with it.

    9. TS

      Try to. Yeah, I've- I've been working hard at it, actually.

    10. JR

      It's crazy. I mean, you're so- you've been so consistent, it's amazing.

    11. TS

      Isn't that weird how that works? (laughs)

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. TS

      That's what, uh- that's what I- I've said that to a few people, and they're like, "Yeah, that's- that's what happ-" I mean, I don't know. I just keep- I think I had this, um- I- I don't know if I told you, like this mentality before, where I would go- if I got to a- a number on the scale, I thought of it as, like, a finish line.

    14. JR

      Right.

    15. TS

      I didn't realize I was doing it, but I was. I was going, "Oh, I got there."

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. TS

      And then you just kinda go, "Well, if you're done, you're done."

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      And then you just kind of ... regress.

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. TS

      So I just realize now that it's just- it is- it is every day.

    22. JR

      It is life.

    23. TS

      It's life, it's part of life, yeah.

    24. JR

      Yeah, if you can think about it that way. Y- also, you gotta think about it like d- delayed gratitude. Delayed gratitude's a very important concept if you wanna-

    25. TS

      Yes.

    26. JR

      ... have a happy life. You can't just have gratitude in front of your face all the time.

    27. TS

      No.

    28. JR

      Y- you'll- you'll just be a mess. You want delayed gratitude, and sp- specifically for your physical health, 'cause you don't feel good in- in the end of the day, like unless you've y- y- when I don't work out, if I have a day that I blow it off-

    29. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    30. JR

      ... which is rare, but it does happen-

  2. 3:07 – 7:04

    Cold plunges, heat training, and sauna-style cardio benefits

    1. JR

      You gotta fucking do it. You don't wanna do it, y- you do it, then you feel better afterwards. Like, in little bursts of that's how I feel every time I get in that stupid cold plunge.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Every time, I don't wanna do it; every time I do it, I don't wanna do it.

    4. TS

      It always sucks.

    5. JR

      Sucks. It never feels good.

    6. TS

      We had this thing where we were doing- we had to bank episodes of our podcast, so that means we were going into the studio at like, I don't know, 9:00 or 10:00 and then just spending the day there, right? And I knew that when I got home, I'd be wiped, and we got- you know, we'd be with the kids and we gotta do dinner and get them ready for bed. So I was like, "I'm just gonna get up." And so every day, I just got up a little earlier, cold plunge first, so it's like that was my morning coffee-

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TS

      ... it was the first thing I did.

    9. JR

      Wake's you right the fuck up.

    10. TS

      Right the fuck up. And then right to the gym.

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. TS

      And so then I would ar- I would arrive at the studio in the best mood.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. TS

      Just like, really in a great mood.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TS

      And then I would zip through the day, and I mean, even they were like, "Wow, you're like, nice." (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. TS

      You know? Like the staff, they're like ...

    19. JR

      Dude, it's like a p- if you could take that in a pill form, it would be the most popular pill in the world.

    20. TS

      100%.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. TS

      No question, yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah. And we're not talking about, like, being a bodybuilder. We're not talking about killing yourself.

    24. TS

      No.

    25. JR

      Just getting your heart pumping, getting your sweat going, get those muscles moving, exert yourself.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      I mean, God, you could be just- I can get a fucking pretty good workout in in 20 minutes.

    28. TS

      You can- you can definitely get your heart going and sweat.

    29. JR

      Yeah, if I'm fucking super pressed for time.

    30. TS

      You know what's crazy is, um, if you- when I work out right after cold plunging, y- I- sometimes, you're like, "Wait, how come I'm not sweating?" And you don't realize-

  3. 7:04 – 7:59

    Hydration routines: electrolytes, cramping prevention, and sleep trade-offs

    1. JR

      Just feels so good. Do you f- do you take, um, electrolytes?

    2. TS

      I do, every day.

    3. JR

      Yeah?

    4. TS

      I travel with the packets and everything.

    5. JR

      Which ones are you taking?

    6. TS

      Um, I have liquid IV.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TS

      I take those pouches with me everywhere.

    9. JR

      Yeah. I take those, too.

    10. TS

      Um, yeah, and I also take them. I have a big one before bed, and I fill up, like, a big canteen.

    11. JR

      Oh, yeah?

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Do you have to get up to piss in the middle of the night?

    14. TS

      Yes. Um, but not-

    15. JR

      That's annoying.

    16. TS

      It's annoying. Not too, too much. I mean, I don't do it, like, right before bed, but, like, I have an evening one.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TS

      Because I, I, I remembered even from, like, high school football in Florida that they would go, "If you're cramping, it's too late to start."

    19. JR

      Mm.

    20. TS

      Like, you start taking electrolytes. It's not gonna help you then. It's all about, like, the prep for it.

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. TS

      So, like, you, that day before you exert yourself, electrolyte boost is what's gonna help you more.

    23. JR

      Mm.

    24. TS

      You know? So, I always try to do it, like, at night too.

    25. JR

      That makes sense. Just keeping a steady state-

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... in, in your body.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Yeah, it should be something that you take every day.

  4. 7:59 – 19:36

    Food discipline and the injury-driven turning point

    1. TS

      But the big thing, dude, like, I never, I never hated... I wasn't one of those people who's like, "I hate the gym," or, "I hate working out." It really is being consistent with food too.

    2. JR

      Hm.

    3. TS

      That's a big thing.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. TS

      If you're s- like, I didn't realize how much I... Well, I knew I was eating poorly a lot. I was just like, had no sense of, like, portion control.

    6. JR

      What turned it around? Was it those contests? Was it the weight loss contest?

    7. TS

      I guess it's a little bit of everything. I think, actually, getting severely injured.

    8. JR

      Oh.

    9. TS

      And, and, like, just being, like... First of all, I think hearing people being like, "Oh, you're really gonna fall apart now. Like, now that you're-

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. TS

      ... you've been injured, you're gonna be a mess. You're gonna gain, like, 100 pounds."

    12. JR

      Hmm.

    13. TS

      Like, people would say that.

    14. JR

      Who said that to you, Bert?

    15. TS

      Uh, actually, actually his wife.

    16. JR

      (laughs) His wife said that to you?

    17. TS

      Yeah, yeah. She's-

    18. JR

      Jesus Christ.

    19. TS

      But, but she was just, like, in the moment saying it. But no, she wasn't the only one.

    20. JR

      "You're gonna gain 100 pounds."

    21. TS

      She was like, "You're gonna get real fat, Tom."

    22. JR

      "You're gonna be fatter than my husband."

    23. TS

      Yeah. And I was like-

    24. JR

      "And we're gonna make fun of you."

    25. TS

      I was like, "That's impossible."

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. TS

      So, but it wasn't even just that, you know? It was, like, other people too. Other people were like, "Oh, yeah, you're..." I mean, I would see it, like when I open up Twitter or something.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. TS

      They're like, "This dude's about to be a fucking whale." Like, you know, like...

    30. JR

      Wow.

  5. 19:36 – 23:57

    Rehab realities: tendon tears, nerve issues, EMS therapy, and recovery tools

    1. TS

      It's, it's really incredible, 'cause you know the, you know one of the things that's kind of interesting? I had a double whammy, right? When I got injured, I tore my patellar tendon on my leg.

    2. JR

      Right. At the same time.

    3. TS

      Patellar tendon tear is not like a MCL, ACL. It, that leg is completely useless.

    4. JR

      Hm.

    5. TS

      Like, there's no hinge anymore.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. TS

      So your knee doesn't... Your, it just hangs.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TS

      Right? So you have to reattach the tendon, and for that to heal and be able to, to use it again, it takes... Just, just for it to heal takes about two months. Then your muscle has atrophied completely, like your quad is completely atrophied.

    10. JR

      Hm.

    11. TS

      So then you have to learn how to walk and learn how to do steps again, and learn how to, like, you know... Like, it's a complete, complete, like, debilitating type of injury. So when I got ... And they were at, they're both at the same time. So when I got injured, all the people in the hospital, doctors, PTs, they all looked at my arm and they're like, "That's not gonna be a problem." Right? And you think about it, you're like, yeah, you see people in casts all the time, they're like, "You'll be fine with that. That leg, that's gonna be your, your problem." And it ended up being the opposite.

    12. JR

      Really?

    13. TS

      I still-

    14. JR

      Oh, that's hard because of the nerve damage.

    15. TS

      I still have problems.

    16. JR

      Yeah?

    17. TS

      I still have nerve issues, yeah, and I-

    18. JR

      How bad is it now?

    19. TS

      Well, you know an interesting thing? Remember we did Sober October?

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. TS

      You remember, like, I showed you me doing pushups with my shirt off?

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. TS

      So, like, my left rhomboid wasn't even firing.

    24. JR

      Hmm.

    25. TS

      Right? So what happens is, when you're, when you have, like, a muscle... A nerve sends a signal to your muscle. If there's nerve trouble going to that muscle, the muscle just doesn't fire. So I, when I was doing pushups, because that wasn't firing, you have other muscles that compensate. That's the way your body works, right? So, like, if you're going like this and that rhomboid doesn't fire, then, like, your lat starts to pick up for it.

    26. JR

      Oh.

    27. TS

      Right? So it's like ... And it's doing it-

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. TS

      ... uh, like, unbeknownst to your mind.

    30. JR

      Right.

  6. 23:57 – 28:34

    Carnivore-ish eating, inflammation, and the glyphosate/wheat debate

    1. JR

      Dude, that carnivore diet kills all that.

    2. TS

      Really?

    3. JR

      You just can't overeat. You don't overeat. It's wild.

    4. TS

      Are you doing that right now?

    5. JR

      Yeah. It's wild. I know when to stop eating. It's like a... If I am eating, um, say, like, a steak and mashed potatoes and french fries and other stuff, and bread, bread and butter, I'll just keep eating the mashed pota- even after I'm done eating steak.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      I'll keep eating fries, I'll, I'll have-

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... another piece of bread. And all that stuff is just empty calories. Yeah, it's carbohydrates, it's not empty, but it's just...... it's unnecessary. You're eating more than your body's gonna burn off, and you're just- it's just, for me, it's gluttony.

    10. TS

      What's a normal day for your eating? Like, what, what do you-

    11. JR

      Just-

    12. TS

      What's breakfast?

    13. JR

      Today was, uh, nilgai steaks and bacon. So I cooked, uh, a couple of these small nilgai steak. Nilgai is, uh, an antelope-

    14. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      ... that I shot in Texas.

    16. TS

      Oh, wow.

    17. JR

      So, uh, I fried that, and fried... I fried bacon first, and then I cooked the nilgai in bacon fat, 'cause you need fat. Nilgai is a very lean animal, and if you're in, uh, you know, a fat-burning st- state, which is what I'm in right now-

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... you have to have some sort of fats. So, like, I like avocado oil, um, I like some of that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise. It's made with avocado oil. I'm not, like, avoiding vegetables per se, but I'm 100% I'm avoiding bread and pasta, and, and all that other bullshit. And just-

    20. TS

      Yes.

    21. JR

      ... when I e- if I have a, like... I'll have a piece of asparagus every now and then, I'm- but I'm not, like, thinking about vegetables. I take a shit ton of vitamins.

    22. TS

      You take fruit?

    23. JR

      I take-

    24. TS

      You eat fruit too?

    25. JR

      Yeah, I eat fruit.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      When I want to.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      But most of my meals are steak and eggs.

    30. TS

      Steak and eggs.

  7. 28:34 – 32:52

    From croissants in Paris to riots in France: travel whiplash

    1. TS

      Buddy, I used to be with you. Do you know where we used to get them?

    2. JR

      Buddy. (laughs)

    3. TS

      At the fucking Terminal 5 Delta.

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. TS

      When it- when that was- they had that place-

    6. JR

      (coughs)

    7. TS

      ... I remember, I remember I would get off the plane-

    8. JR

      Oh, that's right.

    9. TS

      ... with you.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. TS

      And it was coming back to LA. It was on the way back.

    12. JR

      Yeah, get them chocolate croissants.

    13. TS

      And we would arrive in the morning, and you're like, you're like, you're like, "These are fucking good." And I was like, "Mm-hmm."

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. TS

      And, and then you're like, "It's just one. Like, I can eat- I can do this." And I was like, "Yeah, me too."

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. TS

      I just... (laughs) I would think that, like, we're the same, so I was like (gibberish) shove one down my throat, and I was like, "Joe's right. These are good."

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. TS

      And then I'd go home and go to a fucking bakery and be like, "Can I get a dozen chocolate croissants?"

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. TS

      I mean, yeah, dude. I fucking... That might be my favorite treat of all.

    22. JR

      Chocolate croissant's pretty damn good.

    23. TS

      I mean-

    24. JR

      The buttery ones with the real- the mushy chocolate inside.

    25. TS

      Bro, I-

    26. JR

      Worm.

    27. TS

      I was just in Paris, and my-

    28. JR

      Ooh, Paris. Listen to him. Real national channel.

    29. TS

      In Paris. Je ne parle pas français.

    30. JR

      Wow.

  8. 32:52 – 38:58

    Traffic stops, police psychology, and de-escalation as a civilian skill

    1. JR

      You know what people have to think about with cops? And I know it's very hard to do if you're not a cop, but I want you to try. You know that feeling that you get when you're driving on the highway? There's a reason why people get roid rage. Ro- road rage, rather. There's a reason why they get roid rage, too.

    2. TS

      Yeah, there is. Yeah.

    3. JR

      So the reason why they get road rage-

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... and one of the... The reason why they get road rage is, is when you are on the road and you're driving, you're in a heightened state because your car's going 60 miles an hour. So you're ready at any time to hit the brakes, to change lanes.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      So you're in this heightened state. And then when someone does something like, "You fucking idiot."

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      "Jesus Christ."

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Where you would never do that... Like, it took me a while to, to realize this. I re- I re- forget where I read it. And then when I read it, I was like, "Duh." 'Cause I was always like, "Uh, how come nobody treats people like that when they're walking?"

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      No one ever does that. No one-

    14. TS

      'Cause you're protected by this-

    15. JR

      If someone gets in front of you when you're walking, you go, "Oh, the guy got in front of me."

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      It's not an issue at all.

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      But in a car, you're like, "Ah, you fucking asshole."

    20. TS

      You fucking piece of shit.

    21. JR

      "With your fucking cut in front of me."

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      That's what it is, 'cause you're at a heightened state. Now imagine being a cop, and every time you pull someone over-

    24. TS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... you are... You've... We've all seen those videos of cops getting shot.

    26. TS

      Oh, yeah.

    27. JR

      We've all seen those videos-

    28. TS

      Yeah. Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... of cops pulling people over, and then the windows explode and people fire on them. We've all seen those. They've seen them, too. They know people who've been shot.

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  9. 38:58 – 43:34

    Air travel staffing chaos, Buttigieg jokes, and remote work reshaping real estate

    1. JR

      It might be hard to find people to do that now.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      You know?

    4. TS

      Yeah. Yeah. No, they have huge ... The biggest issue in the, in commercial air travel right now is staffing.

    5. JR

      Really?

    6. TS

      It's still staffing.

    7. JR

      Really?

    8. TS

      Absolutely. It's still staffing. It's, it's why you're, you're finding an incredible number of delays. It's not just staffing for airlines. It's also s- staffing at air traffic control.

    9. JR

      Mm.

    10. TS

      So all those, all that is together. Is if you fly commercially, you'll notice that like, I mean, it is a miracle to board and take off and land on time. Uh, e- almost everything is delayed.

    11. JR

      Hmm.

    12. TS

      It is delayed. You have, you have a lot of times you're, everything is functioning well, then you get there. I can't tell you like, uh, how many flights are just like, "Well, everyone's, everything's ready to go," and they're like, "Yeah, the crew's not here. Crew's here, this crew has to, uh, swap out. They've maxed out their hours. Now we're waiting for a new crew." This is like over and over. And then, it happens at air traffic control. But they are not fully staffed yet either. So this just is a huge delay thing. I mean, commercial travel just needs to be revamped in the United States.

    13. JR

      Well, Pete Buttigieg is doing a great job.

    14. TS

      Yeah. Sure. They're doing great.

    15. JR

      He's the best. He's the best at it.

    16. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      He's handling it. Don't worry. He's got it covered.

    18. TS

      Who's this?

    19. JR

      Pete Buttigieg.

    20. TS

      Oh, yeah. That's my guy.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. TS

      What is he ... Is he a, is he the, the in charge-

    23. JR

      (laughs) The guy. He's the guy in charge of transportation.

    24. TS

      That's a fucking shit show.

    25. JR

      He's in charge of the fucking trains flying off the rails. (laughs)

    26. TS

      You've, you've done a terrible job-

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. TS

      ... Pete. Yeah.

    29. JR

      So was it during COVID? Did people get fired and then they decided to do other things, and they never took the jobs again?

    30. TS

      Some people got fired. Some, some people were just ... Well, I mean, I think more people were even just let go. Like-

  10. 43:34 – 48:43

    Student loan forgiveness: who pays, bankruptcy rules, and the economics of debt relief

    1. TS

      I mean, I gotta say, that also reminds me of this, you know, and I know this will be unpopular for a lot of people to hear, but the idea of forgiving, uh, student loans. It's a fantastic theory, but one thing that nobody considers, who is a huge advocate of that, is, okay, so somebody owns that debt. That debt is owned. So, are you saying, when you say forgive, who are you saying will... Are you saying that the government will just pay all of that debt? Do you have an i- idea the amount of debt that that is? Somebody owns the debt. So, you, if you go, "Forgive the debt," to what degree? Like, are you just saying erase it? It doesn't just disappear. The debt is owned.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. TS

      So, when you say, "Just pay it," who? Who are you saying will pay it, in taxes?

    4. JR

      Right, everybody's gonna pay it then.

    5. TS

      Right, so-

    6. JR

      (clears throat)

    7. TS

      ... the debt just doesn't g- g- get erased, is my point.

    8. JR

      But there is a bizarre issue with student loan debt, that student loan debt is the only debt that you can't declare bankruptcy.

    9. TS

      Yeah, that part is-

    10. JR

      That's crazy.

    11. TS

      That's crazy.

    12. JR

      It's crazy.

    13. TS

      That's crazy.

    14. JR

      That doesn't make any sense.

    15. TS

      But when you say forgive it, you, it's not just... Like, I think a lot of people say that and they go, "I just don't want to pay this." Yeah, of course, I understand that.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TS

      But you realize that somebody has to pay it. Debt just, it doesn't just go into the sky.

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. TS

      Somebody owns that debt. So, who's gonna pay it? Is, if you say that the, the government will forgive student loans, I mean, that amount has to be in, like, the trillions.

    20. JR

      Wonder what it is. Let's find out. What's the collective student loan debt in the United States as of 20-

    21. GI

      I think, you know, there is a differentiation in this conversation, that it's federal student loan debt, not private student loan debt-

    22. TS

      Hmm.

    23. GI

      ... which is a big difference.

    24. TS

      Hmm.

    25. JR

      Okay.

    26. GI

      That, that's companies that do on that debt, versus, like, the government that granted-

    27. TS

      So, this is just federal-

    28. GI

      ... stuff like that.

    29. TS

      ... federal-

    30. GI

      Um.

  11. 48:43 – 50:45

    What schools don’t teach: money, nutrition, emotions, and thinking skills

    1. TS

      Don't you wonder, too, why, why when we're in school-... and it's still not a thing, when kids are in school, we don't, like, really teach them about money.

    2. JR

      Mm.

    3. TS

      Like, you don't, you don't learn shit about money.

    4. JR

      You don't learn shit.

    5. TS

      In, I'm saying at any level-

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TS

      ... elementary school, high school.

    8. JR

      Well, you don't learn shit about anything you need to manage life.

    9. TS

      No.

    10. JR

      You're basically learning how to say words and not form sentences.

    11. TS

      You don't learn about ...

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. TS

      Yeah. You don't learn about money.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. TS

      You don't learn about nutrition.

    16. JR

      Nope.

    17. TS

      Nothing about that.

    18. JR

      You don't learn about thinking.

    19. TS

      No.

    20. JR

      I mean, you, you know how many kids could be saved from a lifetime of bullshit if you just explained to them why jealousy, why it affects them?

    21. TS

      Sure. Emotions.

    22. JR

      And then, yeah, explain that the- these are just natural human emotions that we evolve, but you have to learn how to conquer them.

    23. TS

      And you learn how to pro-... You learn that, like, one of the most amazing... It's, it seems like it's something you should be taught in, like, middle school, is feel feelings, let them sit.

    24. JR

      Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

    25. TS

      When you feel jealous-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. TS

      ... you're not, you're not supposed to never feel jealous.

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. TS

      But you learn to go, "Okay, that's the feeling."

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  12. 50:45 – 57:53

    Comedy craft and community: sharing knowledge, the Mothership hang, and Tony Woods praise

    1. TS

      Oh, yeah. Well, that's when you... Uh, that's one of my big, like, the litmus test for a good person, like, when I th- when I go, "This is a cool motherfucker," is people who are willing to share information.

    2. JR

      Hmm.

    3. TS

      It's a, it's a really, like, it's a gauge-

    4. JR

      Yes.

    5. TS

      ... for, like, a solid person-

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TS

      ... is when you go like, like, "How did you, uh, how'd you build this studio?" There's the person who goes, "Uh, sh- takes work. I had my, my guys."

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. TS

      And you're like, "All right."

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      Right? That's them going like-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. TS

      ... "I'm not gonna tell you."

    14. JR

      Right. Exactly.

    15. TS

      "That's mine."

    16. JR

      Exactly.

    17. TS

      And then, there's the person who's like, "Here's his card. Give him a call. He's awesome."

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      It's like people who share information, whatever it is-

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. TS

      ... are the people who don't have that insecurity that, like, "Well, if, if you have it, then it's no longer mine."

    22. JR

      Right. And by the way, it's only good. It's good for the person, like say if it's your- it's someone who does something. You need a na- a mechanic. I have the best fucking mechanic-

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... in Austin. This guy's the shit.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      I'll tell you about him. I'll fucking-

    27. TS

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      You know? And then, if you do that and then he gets work.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      And then, he goes, "Oh, Joe says you're awesome."

  13. 57:53 – 1:34:55

    Popularity vs talent in the internet era—and the danger of avoiding the hard work

    1. JR

      It's so good. But, you know, it's like, that's the beautiful thing about this business is you will run into those guys that are much more talented than they are popular.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      It's interesting. And then you run into people that are much more popular than they are talented.

    4. TS

      (laughs) Yes.

    5. JR

      People that are really good at staying popular. And not, not-

    6. TS

      That, that's a skillset.

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. TS

      That's what you realize the long-

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. TS

      ... the longer you do this. And I think that is only relevant in the internet age.

    11. JR

      Yes.

    12. TS

      In the age of this, where like s- people... There are people who always have that thing of like they know how to get people talking about 'em.

    13. JR

      Yes.

    14. TS

      And juiced up about them.

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. TS

      And it becomes the- it becomes, like, the thing that they actually worked on.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. TS

      You go, "What have you been working on?" They're like, "Staying popular." (laughs)

    19. JR

      Right.

    20. TS

      Like-

    21. JR

      "Look at my promotions."

    22. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. TS

      It's a big thing.

    25. JR

      But then you look at their standup and you go, "Do you gotta do that with that stuff?" (laughs)

    26. TS

      I remember, I remember, like, an early version of this where this guy was like, "Can you get me on stage at this club?" And he had, he had... I- I kinda knew. I didn't know him well, and I probably should have listened to my own inner dialogue about that. But I was like, you know you feel the pressure when the person's right in front of you? So I go, "All right." So the club owner is there, and I go, "Can my friend do a spot?" And they're like, "Is he good?" And I'm like, "Yeah." (laughs) So he goes up and he, he pretty much just eats shit, right?

    27. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    28. TS

      And I was like, "Fuck."

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. TS

      And so, of course, the club guy's like, "The fuck was that?"

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