Joe Rogan Experience #2017 - Bryan Callen

1. 0:00 – 5:55

   Stem Cells

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. BCBryan Callen0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Oh, hi, podcast.

   4. BCBryan Callen0:13

      Hey, brother.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Hi. It's been a while.

   6. BCBryan Callen0:14

      Yeah, we're talking about stem cells. Yeah, huge believer.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah.

   8. BCBryan Callen0:17

      Ways to Well, I go to them in, in town. They fixed everything. Every time I have, like, an injury-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Hm.

   10. BCBryan Callen0:22

       ... I, I get stem cells on it. It's super remarkable.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       How many times have you gotten stem cells?

   12. BCBryan Callen0:25

       A gang of times.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Really?

   14. BCBryan Callen0:26

       Yeah, dozens.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       And you swear by it?

   16. BCBryan Callen0:28

       Oh, yeah, 100%.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Huh.

   18. BCBryan Callen0:29

       Everybody does.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Hm.

   20. BCBryan Callen0:30

       All the elite athletes I know, all the jujitsu guys, Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan had something wrong with his shoulder. He got shotted into his shoulder and it fixed his neck.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Really?

   22. BCBryan Callen0:40

       Yeah, he had a problem with his neck for over a year.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Wow.

   24. BCBryan Callen0:42

       And it went away after putting stem cells in his shoulder. It ... They literally find where the injuries are-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   26. BCBryan Callen0:48

       ... and it gravitates towards them and it helps you heal.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       That's wild.

   28. BCBryan Callen0:51

       Yeah, between that and BPC-157, which is a-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       What is that?

   30. BCBryan Callen0:54

       ... body protecting compound 157, I think it's called. It's a peptide.
2. 5:55 – 9:20

   Mental Resilience

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:55

      learn how to talk ... You gotta learn how to, um, tell it ... Be, be truthful all the way across the board, but with yourself, and then be nice to yourself, man.

   2. BCBryan Callen6:03

      It's one of the reasons why I work out so hard.... 'cause when I work out really hard, I have respect for myself.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      Yes.

   4. BCBryan Callen6:11

      You know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:11

      Yeah, yeah.

   6. BCBryan Callen6:12

      Um, if you force yourself to do something, for that day, I know I'm not a lazy piece of shit. For that day-

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      Yep.

   8. BCBryan Callen6:18

      ... I know I'm focused. For that day, when I'm done, I'm like, "I know who I am."

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      Yeah.

   10. BCBryan Callen6:22

       "I get shit done."

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       That's exactly-

   12. BCBryan Callen6:25

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       ... my philosophy on all that sort of self-restraint and discipline, is that every time you do something like that, it's a victory.

   14. BCBryan Callen6:32

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       Every time you don't do it, it's a defeat. And in my opinion, you get weaker... It's not about getting your body stronger, and, you know, we're all flesh and blood. You can take me out with fucking, you know, a knife.

   16. BCBryan Callen6:41

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       It's more about the, the fact that no matter what's going on in my life, um, I, I show up.

   18. BCBryan Callen6:47

       I think mental resilience is like cardiovascular fitness. I think you have to work on it all the time.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       A, a one hu-... It never-

   20. BCBryan Callen6:54

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       It n- It never ends.

   22. BCBryan Callen6:55

       And I think that's the same with comedy. I know that's the same with archery. I know that's the same with playing pool. I know that's the same with jujitsu. It's one of those things, where these are all perishable skills and I think mental resilience is a perishable skill.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       Oh, it w- it, it is. A- and- and it's a perishable minute-by-minute.

   24. BCBryan Callen7:12

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       A- a- y- and you can never let off. It's, it's like, you know, d- you get to a point when your life, or maybe you have a bunch of goals and you scratch them off. The, u- and w- in some ways, the lost, most lost I was w- at 50, I think, I'd kind of like... I w- drew a line through a lot of the things I wanted... I came to LA to do. And, um, what I realized was that I'm not made to just... I, you, you need a challenge, but more importantly, I think there's something that you gain from the idea that, uh, anything that, that happens to you, I don't care, especially bad things, especially discomfort, especially something new, especially something that's painful or anx- uh, creates anxiety, or just the unknown, I think that that is... All of those things can truly be looked at as good. And the reason they should be looked at as good is... And more, in fact, better for you than the good things that happen, a lot of times, is a very simple reason. It's, it's if you take the, if you take the perspective that it is, w- you can call it God, the universe, I don't care what you call it, it is the order of things. Instead of looking at what you can get from the universe, try to th- the... Look at it as what the universe is trying to get from you. So, anything you go through that's difficult, that's very uncomfortable, is there to make you grow. There are hidden gifts in that great unknown, in that chaos. And if you embrace it properly, it... You will come out the other side, uh, proud of yourself, much stronger, and with deeper understanding. Maybe more empathy, at the end of the day, for everything.

   26. BCBryan Callen8:50

       Yeah, it's that old expression. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       For real.

   28. BCBryan Callen8:53

       For real.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Yeah.

   30. BCBryan Callen8:54

       It really does work that way.
3. 9:20 – 13:55

   Mushrooms

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:20

      Mushrooms are weird?

   2. BCBryan Callen9:20

      100%, both of them.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:21

      Ah, dude.

   4. BCBryan Callen9:22

      Mushrooms make me so much nicer and so much more connected to my material. Like, when I, when I do standup on mushrooms-

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      Yeah.

   6. BCBryan Callen9:31

      ... I, I am just, like, so locked into what I'm saying.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:34

      Yes.

   8. BCBryan Callen9:34

      I'm never, like, pressing play. I'm, like, really into what I'm saying or really thinking about what I'm saying.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:41

      I did, uh, acid for the first time.

   10. BCBryan Callen9:43

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Yeah. And that was, uh, a- i- that was very interesting. And then I had a, a set, a 45-minute set. I was closing out the show in Venice, and I was still very much in the mix of what, what, what was going on with me. And I, I remember saying to my buddy, Kaj, I go, "Dude, I don't know how I'm gonna do this. I, I actually don't know how I'm gonna do it." And then I saw a, a... They had a picture of me from, like, 10 years ago. And I don't know how I did it, but I was... I started having, uh... I started giving my younger self advice on stage.

   12. BCBryan Callen10:20

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       And, and it worked s-... I was just improvising.

   14. BCBryan Callen10:22

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       And it worked. It w- it was, it was one of the best sets I've ever had in my life, and I'm not kidding.

   16. BCBryan Callen10:27

       Isn't that weird? Because you don't wanna try to repeat that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       No, no.

   18. BCBryan Callen10:30

       You don't wanna get... You don't wanna do acid-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       No.

   20. BCBryan Callen10:31

       ... every time you do standup. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       (laughs) I- I wouldn't mind trying though.

   22. BCBryan Callen10:36

       You will go so far gone. You'll be gone.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Yeah, yeah, you can't. You can't.

   24. BCBryan Callen10:41

       You gotta be very careful.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       But you could... I, I was coming... I was on the tail end of it.

   26. BCBryan Callen10:44

       Mm-hmm, that's the perfect time.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       That might be the best time, right?

   28. BCBryan Callen10:45

       That's the perfect time for weed too.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       Yeah.

   30. BCBryan Callen10:47

       Like, when you have an edible, like, right when you're not scared of everything anymore.
4. 13:55 – 19:58

   The Resurrection

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:55

   2. BCBryan Callen13:55

      No?

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:55

      No. I think it almost misses the entire point. So, what I'm interested in is the idea... You know, you can get into... It's funny, I went to Israel for 10 days, right? I don't know if you know that.

   4. BCBryan Callen14:05

      Yeah, I wa- I was excited to talk to you about it-

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      Yeah.

   6. BCBryan Callen14:07

      ... on the show.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:08

      We'll talk about it. M- and then I went to Jordan. Remind me to tell you that. But what, what I, what I, um, I, I, I th- what I, what I'm interested in, what gets me thinking is, it's very hard for me to wrap my head around the idea... I'm a Christian. I, I believe that Jesus rose. That's very hard for me. I, I just can't accept... That's not how I-

   8. BCBryan Callen14:26

      You can't accept-

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:27

      I-

   10. BCBryan Callen14:27

       ... the resurrection?

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       I can't.

   12. BCBryan Callen14:28

       See, that's anoth- that's one of those.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       But that's okay.

   14. BCBryan Callen14:30

       It's like, what did they mean by that?

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       But I will say this. Um, I find it very, very intriguing and interesting that you take, let's take Jesus Christ and Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar, the most powerful man in the world at the time. Uh, and let's just take any, any, uh, sort of, uh, reincarnation of that guy. You know, just Jeff Bezos or whoever it might be. Uh, you've got the world at your fingertips, even someone like Joe Rogan. Um, everybody loves you. You've got... Y- everything is free. It's, you know, it is what it is. You've reached the top of the mountain. And so let's take Julius Caesar. All the power in the world, commanded armies, ran everything, and anyone would be seduced by that prospect. It'd, it'd be pretty cool to be at the top of the mountain. Yet somehow, there's a guy who was a radical rabbi, uh, really a, which just really means teacher, a first-century Jew, who, um, at the prime of his life is killed, tortured, put up on a cross. And despite him being, quote-unquote, "God," or very close to divinely inspired, he gets tortured and put on a cross. So there's no... You, you die with nothing. And oh, by the way, um, couple of crazy notions: love your enemy; um, uh, you know, walk, walk as a humble person; uh, sell all your possessions, give the money to the poor, all these things. And oh, you, in your body, uh, there's something higher. So your appetites, this physical frame is actually should be subservient to a higher ideal. And I'm gonna prove it by being on a cross. And what's the last thing I'm gonna say? Something to the effect of, "I love you, and I forgive you." (sighs) Not a great way... Not a good ending, by the way. Not, not, not, not a way, if you wanna get successful, but what, yet we revere that person. Somehow, all of us, atheists, Christians, whoever it is, somehow, nostalgically or in our imagination, know that the way he walked that path, even if it ends in total ruin, that path somehow has more power. Somehow, it lasts longer. Somehow, it has more meaning. Even if we try to emulate it to a lesser degree, somehow it makes us feel, uh, that somehow there seems to be something... It seems to dovetail with the laws of the universe. It seems to dovetail with something we would call the truth, something we'd call beauty, something we'd call inspiration. Th- that's what I'm interested in. We don't talk about Julius Caesar or anybody who accomplishes crazy things the way we talk about people like Mohandas K. Gandhi, uh, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, uh, people that were emulating this idea, the idea of passive resistance, the idea of turning the other cheek, and then a guy like Christ, the Buddha. I find that interesting. I find it very interesting that human beings seem to resonate in their in... when they think about... Like, I always say my best version of myself is clearing his throat in the other room. You know? He's... That, we, you and I call it the pesky truth. Like, "I gotta, I gotta get this shit done over here. I know the, I know the right way. I know what I should be doing. I know the, I know the way I should be behaving." And I, I find it very interesting that if you were to just accept that the laws that are laid down in these scrip- in this scripture, let's say, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Quran, um, the, the Abrahamic religions... I'm just gonna talk about that for a second. There's a lot of self-restriction in that.

   16. BCBryan Callen17:59

       Oh, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       There's a lot of prudence in that. There's a lot of, um... They, you ain't... It ain't that much fun. You can't be promiscuous. You, y-

   18. BCBryan Callen18:07

       Well, look at a guy like Khabib Nurmag- Nur-

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       Exactly.

   20. BCBryan Callen18:10

       ... magomedov.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       Exactly.

   22. BCBryan Callen18:11

       ... I don't know what the fuck this last name is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:12

       Me- Me- Murad... Khametov, yeah.

   24. BCBryan Callen18:13

       Khabib Nurmagomedov is arguably the greatest fighter of all time. He's definitely in the argument. I mean, the guy lost, like, two rounds ever in his whole career.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:20

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BCBryan Callen18:21

       He is devoutly religious.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:23

       Mm-hmm.

   28. BCBryan Callen18:24

       I mean, five times a day, there's a call to prayer. They don't fuck around.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       Yeah.

   30. BCBryan Callen18:28

       During Ramadan, the- there's no eating, no drinking, no nothing during the day. The training is all, like, brutal and spartan.
5. 19:58 – 22:28

   Nature

   1. BCBryan Callen19:58

      nature, when you watch animals tear-

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:59

      I know it is.

   3. BCBryan Callen19:59

      ... each other apart.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:00

      I know it is. I know it is.

   5. BCBryan Callen20:01

      Yeah. Survival of the fittest is the mo- this is the, the clearest... If- if there's, like, some sort of a mandate for the world, it's survival of the fittest. And then whatever those things are have to figure out how to get more fit because their prey is getting more fit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:15

      Yes, yes.

   7. BCBryan Callen20:16

      It's just this constant horrific cycle of eating things.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:19

      There's... That's why Healey-

   9. BCBryan Callen20:20

      Things eating things.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:21

       That's why Healey's saying, "If you're, if you're a gazelle and you wake up, run fast. If you're a lion and you wake up, run fast."

   11. BCBryan Callen20:26

       I had a conversation with a friend of mine once. He's like, "You always talk about nature like it's this horrible thing, but you go into nature, it's beautiful." I go, "Yeah, that's 'cause they're digesting."

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       (laughs)

   13. BCBryan Callen20:36

       They're digesting everything they just fucking mauled-

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       Correct.

   15. BCBryan Callen20:39

       ... and tore to pieces in front of its mother.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:41

       Correct.

   17. BCBryan Callen20:41

       What are you talking about, man?

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       Yeah.

   19. BCBryan Callen20:42

       Have you ever been? Like, what do you do? You go hiking? You think you know nature? Like, listen, bitch, I stared a mountain lion in the eyes. They're terrifying.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:51

       It's a war. It's a constant war.

   21. BCBryan Callen20:52

       They're terrifying. I- I made eye contact with a grizzly bear from, like, uh, 50 yards away, and I-

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:56

       You did?

   23. BCBryan Callen20:57

       ... almost, almost shit my pants. It wasn't even a big one.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:00

       Dude.

   25. BCBryan Callen21:00

       It was, like, a six-foot grizzly bear. They look at you so different than any other bear. 'Cause I've only been around... Well, I've been around grizzly bears, like, at the zoo and shit like that. But, you know, that's a different animal.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       But in the wild...

   27. BCBryan Callen21:10

       When you see them in the wild, they look through you. They look at you like this. So, like, a, a regular bear, like, a black bear, they're like, they look at you like, "Who are you? What's going on here?"

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       Yeah.

   29. BCBryan Callen21:19

       They kind of side-eye you because they're not the king of the forest.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:22

       No.
6. 22:28 – 25:58

   Best unintentional comedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:28

      that's right. The... And, and what's his name? Uh, Werner Herzog is listening, and he's like, "Whatever you do, don't listen. I'm just begging you not to listen."

   2. BCBryan Callen22:36

      Burn this tape.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:37

      Yeah, I'd have to, I'd have to listen to that.

   4. BCBryan Callen22:38

      This is the best unintentional comedy that's ever been made.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:41

      I agree 100%.

   6. BCBryan Callen22:42

      It's an amazing documentary.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:43

      It's... And it's a comedy (laughs) .

   8. BCBryan Callen22:45

      It's a comedy.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:46

      Yeah (laughs) .

   10. BCBryan Callen22:46

       When that sheriff looks right at the camera and goes, "I thought he was retarded."

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:49

       (laughs)

   12. BCBryan Callen22:50

       Like, like (laughs) , come on, this is a comedy. And there's a smash cut after that, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       Yeah (laughs) .

   14. BCBryan Callen22:53

       Werner Herzog's a genius.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       Yeah (laughs) .

   16. BCBryan Callen22:54

       He knows what he's doing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:55

       Indeed, yeah, he does (laughs) .

   18. BCBryan Callen22:56

       He knows what he's doing, man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       100%.

   20. BCBryan Callen22:58

       Because there is some beauty in this story, and there is some tragedy in this story. And there's, like, this weird human element where this clearly gay guy who's in the closet-

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:08

       (laughs)

   22. BCBryan Callen23:08

       ... is out wandering around in the woods pretending-

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:10

       Crying over a bee.

   24. BCBryan Callen23:11

       ... he's protecting grizzly bears.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       (laughs)

   26. BCBryan Callen23:13

       It's fucking ama... But he had amazing encounters. Like, he had a- an incredible friendship with this little fox-

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       Yeah.

   28. BCBryan Callen23:19

       ... who was, like, hanging out with him. Like, foxes, like, when you camp in a place for a long period of time and they realize you're not dangerous, they just become your friend.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:26

       Really? They hang out?

   30. BCBryan Callen23:26

       Yeah, man. They hang out. The fox was hanging out with this dude.
7. 25:58 – 27:13

   Wolf slaughterfest

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      bro.

   2. BCBryan Callen25:59

      Yeah, I had a friend who had one and it, it got out. He was living on a ranch, it got out and killed eight of the neighbor's sheep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      (laughs)

   4. BCBryan Callen26:07

      Just went on a slaughter fest.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:08

      Doing wolf shit.

   6. BCBryan Callen26:09

      Just doing wolf shit.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:10

      Yeah.

   8. BCBryan Callen26:10

      Just killed them all.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:11

      Yeah.

   10. BCBryan Callen26:11

       Just figured out-

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:12

       Didn't even eat some of 'em, right?

   12. BCBryan Callen26:13

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       Just killed 'em.

   14. BCBryan Callen26:13

       Didn't eat 'em at all.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       Yeah.

   16. BCBryan Callen26:14

       Just found out that they were contained in this little fenced-in area. I was like, "Oh, that fence is four feet high." Boink.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:19

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. BCBryan Callen26:19

       Just jumped over that fence like it was nothing.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       Yeah.

   20. BCBryan Callen26:22

       You ever see a coyote jump a fence?

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       Yeah.

   22. BCBryan Callen26:24

       They're so graceful.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       I know.

   24. BCBryan Callen26:25

       I saw a coyote-

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:26

       They look like deer.

   26. BCBryan Callen26:27

       ... jump over my back fence with, with one of my chickens in his mouth and he-

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:30

       Dude, a- and you, that f- I've been to that.

   28. BCBryan Callen26:31

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:31

       I know exactly what fence you're talking about.

   30. BCBryan Callen26:33

       Like, nothing.
8. 27:13 – 30:38

   The pressure

   1. BCBryan Callen27:13

      sprang up. Like watch this guy.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:15

      Yeah, no.

   3. BCBryan Callen27:15

      Look at that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:16

      Look at that.

   5. BCBryan Callen27:16

      That is insane.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:17

      Just fast-twitch muscle.

   7. BCBryan Callen27:18

      Onto the roof. Look how insane that is. That's a skinny-ass fucking picket fence. He lands on the top of it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:23

      No dog would do that.

   9. BCBryan Callen27:24

      No dog.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       Maybe a Belgian Malinois.

   11. BCBryan Callen27:26

       Yeah, maybe a Belgian Malinois. They would do it easy.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:28

       Bro, this guy, uh, Matt Ritland, Mike Ritland. Uh, you know who he is?

   13. BCBryan Callen27:31

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:32

       Uh, he was a SEAL. He, he trains Malinois. I had a 65-pound Malinois. Uh, I was in D- he was, he's in Dallas. Shout out to Mike. And, um, he, uh, he-

   15. BCBryan Callen27:41

       Did you put the bite suit on?

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:43

       I did.

   17. BCBryan Callen27:43

       Ugh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:44

       Put the bite suit on and then he had the dog in the car and hi- hi- the handler had the dog by the leash. And so he said, "Just walk up to the car and just, just be kind of aggressive." 65-pound dog, skinny, little dog. You'd look at it and be like, "Whatever." And, (laughs) and I start going ... And then I just stick my arm in and the thing grabs onto me and, and my buddy Nick who's a, who's a bodybuilder, crazy strong, he did the same thing. The pressure, the pressure. Have you ever done it?

   19. BCBryan Callen28:13

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:14

       It'll give you a new respect. It'll give you a new respect for the power of an animal. The, the pressure through the sleeve was so disconcerting. And, and I knew 'cause I'd, I'd already done it in Afghanistan. I did the, uh, Afghanistan. I did the, uh-

   21. BCBryan Callen28:26

       I like how you said it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:26

       ... USO. Yeah, bro, come on. I did, uh, the USO tour. So we had dogs, you know, these giant Dutch Shepherds l- loose on us. But this 65-pound dog was doing it 'cause it hated me.

   23. BCBryan Callen28:36

       (sighs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:36

       It's one thing when it's a d- game of tug-of-war and there, it's prey drive.

   25. BCBryan Callen28:39

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       This thing had fight drive. This thing was like, "I hate your guts. I'm gonna try to kill you." His eyes just went, you know, those, those grizzly bear eyes. And my buddy Nick got depressed. I said, "You all right?" He goes, "No, I'm, I'm a little bit depressed." I said, "Why?" He goes, "Because I, I, I've never felt that kinda pressure on my arm and I'm a really strong guy, but I ..." And I, I said, "Oh, yeah." And Matt, who's a SEAL, he goes, "Your body shuts down." Wh- when you get bit like that by a dog like that, even a 65-pound dog, a lot of times what happens is the nerves get crushed so you can't use that arm. Y- y- you're-

   27. BCBryan Callen29:15

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:15

       ... in big trouble. So even if you're on PCP, you just shut down. That's-

   29. BCBryan Callen29:18

       Yeah, those guys that get attacked by dogs. Like when they sick dogs on 'em, those guys are never the same again.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:24

       No.
9. 30:38 – 31:58

   Swimming with the body

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      Yeah. So, uh-

   2. BCBryan Callen30:40

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:40

      He was... Yeah, there you go.

   4. BCBryan Callen30:41

      Here's the dude swimming with the body in his mouth. Fuck.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      Yeah. Yeah, that's a... That's not a good time.

   6. BCBryan Callen30:46

      That's so dark.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      Yeah, that's really dark.

   8. BCBryan Callen30:49

      Ugh. By the way, this is not the same video. The one I watched, it was a different one.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:53

      He-

   10. BCBryan Callen30:53

       But it was another crocodile.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Notice his other arm. His arm is off.

   12. BCBryan Callen30:55

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       He doesn't have an arm.

   14. BCBryan Callen30:56

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Or a foot. See that?

   16. BCBryan Callen30:57

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Th- that, that's so insane.

   18. BCBryan Callen31:01

       Bro.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       But so does-

   20. BCBryan Callen31:02

       Where is, is this Costa Rica? Where is this? I think this was Australia, but I'm- Australia? ... not sure. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       I can see them.

   22. BCBryan Callen31:07

       (groans) Oh my God.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       So they, so they, so they, uh... So these Green Berets are with the Brazilian Special Forces. And in the middle of the night, they go, "Get in the water. You guys are gonna swim two miles." And then they were showing, they were shining a spotlight on the banks of the river, and you could just see these eyes. And they're like, "Don't swim to the bank, don't swim to the bank." But it was all these guys. So it was a big group of guys swimming, and they had to get to a point. They get to the rock, and one guy just wasn't there. And they had a moment of silence, and that was the end of that. And they, they got back in the boats, and that was their, that was their night. Guy was taken by a black caiman, they think. Just disappeared, just that quickly. Just shoop, see you later. You can't do that.

   24. BCBryan Callen31:49

       Oh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       You can't be swimming in water when there are s- 18-foot b- black caimans. Come on.

   26. BCBryan Callen31:53

       Why did they make them do that?

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Well, because-

   28. BCBryan Callen31:57

       That doesn't seem wise.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       Because

10. 31:58 – 32:58

    Alligators

    1. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       if you're a Special Forces guy-

    2. BCBryan Callen32:00

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       ... what is that?

    4. BCBryan Callen32:00

       I saw it. Look at all of them out there. Yeah, what are they all out there for? I have no idea. This guy opened his tent and he's, they were all just there. I mean, he probably knew where he was, I would hope. Maybe, maybe he's just- He's laughing. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       ... camped out. That's not good, bro.

    6. BCBryan Callen32:13

       (laughs) Those are alligators.

    7. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Yeah.

    8. BCBryan Callen32:14

       So w- whoa, whoa, whoa. C- can you back that up a little? Yeah, all the ones behind it? Look at those eyes behind it? Yeah, yeah. Yep.

    9. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       (gasps)

    10. BCBryan Callen32:19

        Yep. (laughs) Look at all the eyes.

    11. JRJoe Rogan32:21

        Oh, that's, that's a nightmare.

    12. BCBryan Callen32:24

        That's insane. That is so insane.

    13. JRJoe Rogan32:26

        You go out to take a piss and you just get rolled.

    14. BCBryan Callen32:28

        That must be, like, a place where they all beach to, to dry off or something.

    15. JRJoe Rogan32:33

        I don't know. Back to God. Um.

    16. BCBryan Callen32:36

        Huh?

    17. JRJoe Rogan32:36

        That's hell right there.

    18. BCBryan Callen32:37

        That is hell.

    19. JRJoe Rogan32:38

        Yeah.

    20. BCBryan Callen32:38

        Hell on Earth or something.

    21. JRJoe Rogan32:39

        Do you think about, have you been thinking, do you think about, like, spirituality or God?

    22. BCBryan Callen32:43

        I try not to because it's annoying.

    23. JRJoe Rogan32:47

        (laughs)

    24. BCBryan Callen32:48

        (laughs) I definitely don't bring it up.

    25. JRJoe Rogan32:50

        Yeah.

    26. BCBryan Callen32:51

        I've been thinking a lot-

    27. JRJoe Rogan32:51

        I bet you've had a lot of people on who're talking about-

    28. BCBryan Callen32:52

        Just thinking a lot about spirituality.

    29. JRJoe Rogan32:54

        Yeah.

    30. BCBryan Callen32:55

        You know. That was a follow-up video. This was in Brazil. Oh,

11. 32:58 – 34:13

    Black Canyon

    1. BCBryan Callen32:58

       wow. Where they were st-... They did attack his tent a little bit.

    2. JRJoe Rogan33:00

       Oh, okay.

    3. BCBryan Callen33:00

       So were those, uh, black caimans as well?

    4. JRJoe Rogan33:02

       Yeah, those were black caiman.

    5. BCBryan Callen33:03

       Oh my God, dude.

    6. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       Yeah.

    7. BCBryan Callen33:06

       Homeboy just decided to camp out where they, where they nest.

    8. JRJoe Rogan33:10

       Yeah, you do that in Australia and they come into your tent, so...

    9. BCBryan Callen33:12

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan33:13

        Don't do that.

    11. BCBryan Callen33:14

        Fuck.

    12. JRJoe Rogan33:15

        Yeah.

    13. BCBryan Callen33:16

        It's just, uh, there's so many interesting things on this Earth, in terms of life forms and how they interact with the other life forms. And some of them eat them with their face.

    14. JRJoe Rogan33:27

        God, I know.

    15. BCBryan Callen33:27

        Big giant life forms-

    16. JRJoe Rogan33:29

        I know.

    17. BCBryan Callen33:30

        ... that have existed in that same exact shape for how many millions of years have... How many millions of years have crocodiles been around? Let's guess. 100?

    18. JRJoe Rogan33:40

        I mean, they're dinosaurs.

    19. BCBryan Callen33:41

        Yeah. I mean, they're, they're giant reptiles, right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan33:43

        Yeah.

    21. BCBryan Callen33:43

        Like, what is the number?

    22. JRJoe Rogan33:45

        I don't know.

    23. BCBryan Callen33:46

        I'm gonna say 100 million years.

    24. JRJoe Rogan33:48

        What's-

    25. BCBryan Callen33:48

        They probably predate the dinosaurs, don't they?

    26. JRJoe Rogan33:51

        I don't know. They-

    27. BCBryan Callen33:51

        Or coexisted with the dinosaurs.

    28. JRJoe Rogan33:53

        I would imagine a version of them.

    29. BCBryan Callen33:55

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan33:55

        You know?
12. 34:13 – 40:58

    Crocs

    1. BCBryan Callen34:14

       million years ago.

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:16

       (sighs)

    3. BCBryan Callen34:16

       They first appeared 240 million years ago. It was the Mesozoic era, in the time of the dinosaurs. While others have evolved into different shapes and forms, the croc stuck, uh, the, the croc stuck have stuck- (laughs) ... to the s-... They fucked it up. Crocs have stuck to the same structure for the last 200 million years.

    4. JRJoe Rogan34:34

       That's not in the Bible, dude, so I don't know. I gotta...

    5. BCBryan Callen34:37

       Uh, see, that's the problem, right?

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       Mm-hmm.

    7. BCBryan Callen34:39

       That's the problem.

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:40

       Well, that's my problem, is, uh, it... For me, it's about metaphor.

    9. BCBryan Callen34:43

       Right.

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:43

        Right? Like, there are too many contradictions. That's why I don't get hung up on the details. I'm just more interested in the, in the overall arching idea that I do think there is something called truth and I think there's something called a lie. I think there's something called a good way to live and a bad way to live. And I think if you extrapolate in either direction, one leads to, uh, something like fulfillment or who you're supposed to be.

    11. BCBryan Callen35:06

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:06

        And then the other leads to who you're not supposed to be. Uh, that's what I, I kind of obsess about.

    13. BCBryan Callen35:10

        But what do you think is the source of it? What, what do you... Like, where did the Bible come from? Did it come from man's inherent understanding of his connection with God, and they, they wrote things down, then eventually became stories? Or were, or were there real experiences that were divine?

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:27

        I'll answer it this way. I think that, um, anytime you go through any kind of loss or destruction or hardship, you're p- uh, um, you have a better chance at seeing something you wouldn't if you came from nothing but comfort, safety, and, uh, you know, something like the Garden of Eden.

    15. BCBryan Callen35:47

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:47

        You know? Um, so I think that it, it's, it's, there, there... I don't think anybody escapes suffering. I don't think anybody escapes some kind of ruin, some kind of loss, some kind of, uh, even age, you start to lose all the things you're proud of. And I think having to contend with that, maybe, and, and trying to derive meaning f- from that... Because if you don't have that, then-

    17. BCBryan Callen36:09

        But hang on.

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:10

        Yeah.

    19. BCBryan Callen36:10

        So if that's a person-

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:12

        Yeah.

    21. BCBryan Callen36:12

        ... that's not God, right? So this is a person's experience with misery and life and reality led to the creation of the Bible?

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:21

        ... a, I, I think I'm just talking about the idea that there are, there are things that human beings are capable of, for example, conceiving of something, uh, that doesn't have any material relevance in the world, but that later on does. So, let me give you an example. There are mathematicians that devote their entire life to an e- a theorem. Uh, it's 350 pages long. It's, they, they, they're 80 years old, there's six people in the world understand what it's about, and they end up, um, dying. And then 150 years later, somebody's trying to put a rover on Mars and they go, "You know what? This equation actually is what I've been looking for and what we need to do such and such and such and such." So, all of a sudden, it, it bears material reality. And I think that that's, that, that's an example of maybe something that is grounded in the human mind that doesn't have to have its roots in experience, doesn't have to have its roots in what you can touch and what you can measure, but rather what you can imagine. That, that's interesting to me. Uh, th- that's the difference between a human being, say, and ChatGPT, or artificial intelligence. The idea that artificial intelligence is working on a model that already exists. It's, it's sourcing from everything that's already been. Something like the theory of relativity or something like, um, a theoretical math theorem, or for that matter, even something that's really beautiful, I don't know what it would be-

    23. BCBryan Callen37:55

        Art.

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:55

        ... like the Sistine Chapel, right.

    25. BCBryan Callen37:56

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:57

        Um, that brings us to our knees because it surprises us, it shocks us. It goes beyond what we thought was possible. Um, that, that, I think, is what's endlessly fascinating. And then I would say to you, "Why?" Wh- what is it, what is it about the human brain that we have a mind that can actually conceive of something like that and wants to? What is it about our mind that seems to have limitless potential for understanding and for creativity? To what end? To what end? Is it... it's not just comfort. It's not just, you know, uh, so I can have more food and I can watch more stuff. Y- y- anybody who's had all that, sensation is not, doesn't do the trick, man. You can't, you can follow all the sensation you want.

    27. BCBryan Callen38:42

        There also seems-

    28. JRJoe Rogan38:43

        (clears throat)

    29. BCBryan Callen38:43

        ... to be something with creating something as undeniably amazing and beautiful like, uh, St. Peter's Basilica-

    30. JRJoe Rogan38:50

        Mm-hmm.
13. 40:58 – 44:48

    Beauty

    1. BCBryan Callen40:58

       a ridge and you're looking out and you're seeing these snow-capped mountains and a creek running through it and deer walking by, you're like, "Holy shit is this beautiful."

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:08

       Yes.

    3. BCBryan Callen41:08

       "It's beautiful." And what is that thing about people, the recognition of beauty? Like, are we the only animal that recognizes beauty? Because we, we don't just recognize it. We value it so highly.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:25

       Yeah.

    5. BCBryan Callen41:25

       Whether it's a beautiful landscape or a beautiful car or a beautiful woman-

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:31

       Yeah.

    7. BCBryan Callen41:31

       ... a beautiful house, there's, there's something about the way things look that, to us, is just awe-inspiring. And it, it-

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:41

       Well, there's, there's, there's, there's a whole body of, you know, romantic body of, you know, sc- um, true, uh, uh, a, a ro- body of thought that says that beauty and truth are, are almost the same thing.

    9. BCBryan Callen41:54

       Hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:54

        You know, you know how the Greeks defined beauty? It's a beautiful way of doing it. It... in one word, harmony. And if you watch a cheetah run, that's what you're watching.

    11. BCBryan Callen42:02

        Hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:02

        You know, if you watch... even symmetry on the human body, you watch, uh, you watch somebody in slow motion doing what they do really well, a great boxer. You watch, like, Crawford or someone, there's something about-

    13. BCBryan Callen42:13

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:13

        ... where they place their feet, how they move their body, you just go... well, your... even the way y- y- you, a great athlete is built is a thing of beauty.

    15. BCBryan Callen42:21

        Sure, like martial arts.

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:23

        Mm-hmm.

    17. BCBryan Callen42:23

        It really is an art form.

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:25

        Right.

    19. BCBryan Callen42:25

        Because when someone pulls it off in an amazing way, it is beautiful.... it really is.

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:30

        Mm-hmm.

    21. BCBryan Callen42:30

        There's no denying it.

    22. JRJoe Rogan42:32

        Also, what Queenston doing?

    23. BCBryan Callen42:33

        Like, when Justin Gaethje head kicked-

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:35

        God.

    25. BCBryan Callen42:35

        ... Dustin Poirier this weekend-

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:36

        I know.

    27. BCBryan Callen42:37

        ... that was a thing of beauty.

    28. JRJoe Rogan42:38

        I know.

    29. BCBryan Callen42:39

        It was amazing. It was amazing.

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:42

        Were you there for that?
14. 44:48 – 45:13

    Derek Lewis

    1. BCBryan Callen44:48

       in the history of the sport.

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:49

       He does?

    3. BCBryan Callen44:50

       Yes. Derrick Lewis has the most knockout-

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:52

       More than...

    5. BCBryan Callen44:52

       Like, uh, statistically-

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:53

       Wow.

    7. BCBryan Callen44:53

       ... he has the most knockouts.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:54

       More than Ngannou?

    9. BCBryan Callen44:55

       Well, he has 14 now, I believe, because-

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:57

        Yeah, and now-

    11. BCBryan Callen44:57

        ... he just knocked out, um, uh, Rogerio, uh, de Lima. He, he's a fucking monster, man.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:05

        All I'm saying-

    13. BCBryan Callen45:05

        When D- when Derrick starts swinging bombs at you, man-

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:08

        Yeah.

    15. BCBryan Callen45:08

        ... the power that guy generates is so crazy. Even Ngannou didn't engage with him.

15. 45:13 – 46:53

    Derrick Rose

    1. BCBryan Callen45:13

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:13

       I know.

    3. BCBryan Callen45:13

       That was the most boring fight of all time. Look at-

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       Oh, God. No. Stop, stop, stop, stop.

    5. BCBryan Callen45:16

       Here, watch this again. Watch that, that uppercut again.

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       Oh, no.

    7. BCBryan Callen45:19

       Watch how he lands it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       God, he's so humble.

    9. BCBryan Callen45:20

       It's so p- Look at this.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:21

        Oh.

    11. BCBryan Callen45:21

        Boom.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:23

        Okay, okay. Got to get off-

    13. BCBryan Callen45:23

        I mean, he's out.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:24

        Herb's a great... Yeah.

    15. BCBryan Callen45:26

        He's out long before that. I mean, he's out before he hits the ground.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:29

        Oh, that's awful.

    17. BCBryan Callen45:30

        Derrick's the number one knockout puncher in the, the history of the sport.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:33

        See-

    19. BCBryan Callen45:33

        He has more knockouts than anybody in any division in all the sport.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:37

        Yeah, he would do that.

    21. BCBryan Callen45:37

        He fucks everybody up too.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:38

        He would do that. That would be bad. Okay.

    23. BCBryan Callen45:39

        Dude, you don't wanna get hit once by Derrick Lewis.

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:43

        No.

    25. BCBryan Callen45:43

        He drops bombs, man.

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:45

        All I'm saying, is there... Is there a number on a check?

    27. BCBryan Callen45:48

        And he's a lot more fit now too. That was what's really interesting about his last fight. He really dedicated himself. He had a fucking... He had abs.

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:55

        (laughs)

    29. BCBryan Callen45:55

        He looked... At the weigh-ins, he had abs. You look at him, like... 'Cause he used to have to starve himself to make 265.

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:01

        Mm.
16. 46:53 – 50:38

    Brian Shaw

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       he was... This is a real thing. Okay, he's 6'8", I think might be 6'9" and he is... He was-

    2. BCBryan Callen46:59

       441 pounds.

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       Well, he was 465 pounds. Trim, fucking trim.

    4. BCBryan Callen47:04

       465.

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       Now, now-

    6. BCBryan Callen47:05

       So, he would have to lose 200 pounds to fight in the UFC.

    7. NANarrator47:08

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       Dude, dude, he, he took... He took 300 pounds in one hand, Joe. 300 pounds in one hand, look, and went like that. He squatted 720.

    9. BCBryan Callen47:18

       Look at the size-

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:18

        720.

    11. BCBryan Callen47:19

        ... of that guy.

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        Yeah, yeah, he's ridiculous.

    13. BCBryan Callen47:21

        That's so insane.

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:22

        But it... There's more to him. Um, but, but let's just... Let's not-

    15. BCBryan Callen47:24

        He's a very smart guy though.

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:25

        Very smart. I, uh... You gotta have him on the podcast. Very smart. He's about to do the Brian Shaw Classic, which is gonna be huge. He's squatting a car in the Brian Shaw Classic.

    17. BCBryan Callen47:36

        Imagine trying to do jiu-jitsu against that guy.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        W- well-

    19. BCBryan Callen47:39

        Like, what are you do... What are you gonna do?

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:41

        Well, I- I'm a little obsessed with him because he, he, uh, he squatted 720 pounds 13 times in under a minute.

    21. BCBryan Callen47:47

        Why don't we get this guy to train jiu-jitsu? How old is he?

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:50

        He's 40.

    23. BCBryan Callen47:51

        He'd smo- he'd smoke everybody.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:53

        I know he would.

    25. BCBryan Callen47:53

        All you have to do is get him to, like, blue belt level.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        He's playing with the idea of arm wrestling-

    27. BCBryan Callen47:57

        Ugh.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        ... and, and Levant, the, the greatest guy of all time.

    29. BCBryan Callen48:00

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:00

        He sent him a funny video going, "Brian, we don't need you in the arm wrestling division."
17. 50:38 – 52:38

    Dustin Poirier

    1. BCBryan Callen50:38

       and then you're getting weak.

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:39

       Yeah.

    3. BCBryan Callen50:39

       You have no chance.

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:40

       Now, now, he's gonna be a sweetheart here.

    5. BCBryan Callen50:42

       Who's this guy on his back?

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:42

       That's Dustin Poirier.

    7. BCBryan Callen50:43

       That's Dustin?

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:43

       Yeah, yeah. He gets him real quick. Yeah, he-

    9. BCBryan Callen50:45

       Dustin gets him?

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:47

        S- s- sort of.

    11. BCBryan Callen50:47

        He doesn't know what to do.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:48

        Sort of. Now I'm-

    13. BCBryan Callen50:49

        Yeah, but if you ta... Listen.

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:50

        No, you gotta understand, Brian-

    15. BCBryan Callen50:50

        You kinda let him do that.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:51

        Yes.

    17. BCBryan Callen50:51

        If he wanted to, he could've-

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:53

        Yes.

    19. BCBryan Callen50:53

        ... fucking slammed him.

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:54

        Yes.

    21. BCBryan Callen50:54

        But, uh, the, the, the real-

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:55

        Now wa- watch this.

    23. BCBryan Callen50:55

        Okay, here we go.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:56

        (laughs)

    25. BCBryan Callen50:57

        So now he's in guard.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:58

        He's doing... If he really wants to get rough with you-

    27. BCBryan Callen50:59

        He's got wrestling shoes on, which is kind of a bitch-ass move.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:00

        He's gonna do anything you want- he wants to.

    29. BCBryan Callen51:02

        He's got too much grip. I wouldn't allow him to have those shoes on. Get the fucking shoes off, bro.

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:05

        Yeah. He's different strong. Like he'll-
18. 52:38 – 1:06:21

    Fabricio Werdum

    1. BCBryan Callen52:38

       like, I don't know how long ago it was, but he just got super fucking dedicated to training.

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:43

       Yeah.

    3. BCBryan Callen52:43

       And all of a sudden now, he's got a six-pack. He looks shredded.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:46

       Yeah.

    5. BCBryan Callen52:46

       Fabricio Werdum, people forget that he is in the argument for one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. He's in the argument as the number one guy, 'cause he tapped all the greats. He tapped-

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:58

       Cain Velasquez.

    7. BCBryan Callen52:59

       Cain Velasquez. He tapped Fedor Emelianenko.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:01

       Psh.

    9. BCBryan Callen53:01

       He tapped Minotauro. Bro, he tapped everybody.

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:04

        Some of 'em. Yeah.

    11. BCBryan Callen53:05

        Fabricio Werdum, i- in my opinion, you have to consider him in the, the list of all the greats. Knocked out Mark Hunt with a flying knee.

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:13

        Mm-hmm, that's right.

    13. BCBryan Callen53:14

        Fabricio-

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:15

        That's right.

    15. BCBryan Callen53:15

        ... Werdum is the fucking man.

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:17

        The Travi- uh, Travis Browne?

    17. BCBryan Callen53:19

        Yeah. Listen, man, the guy's beat him, and Stipe knocked him out, but he's a warrior. He fought everybody, and he beat the best guys in their prime. When he tapped Fedor, it was wild.

    18. JRJoe Rogan53:32

        Remember that.

    19. BCBryan Callen53:32

        Nobody could beat Fedor. Fedor was unstoppable. And when Fabricio Werdum locked him up in a triangle, and you see Fedor tap, you're like, "Ho-lly shit."

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:42

        He's so big.

    21. BCBryan Callen53:43

        People forget-

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:43

        Long legs.

    23. BCBryan Callen53:43

        ... it was just like when Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:45

        Yeah.

    25. BCBryan Callen53:45

        Like, it couldn't be done.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:47

        Right.

    27. BCBryan Callen53:47

        Fabricio catches him in a triangle.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:49

        Yeah.

    29. BCBryan Callen53:49

        Fabricio was so dangerous because his guard was just as lethal as his top game. A lot of times, those big guys, with the exception of Frank Mir, who also had a super, super lethal guard as a heavyweight.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:02

        Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 3:06:09