Joe Rogan Experience #2019 - Tim Dillon

Tim Dillon 0:01 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum roll) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)

Joe Rogan 0:12 Hey, Tim.

Tim Dillon 0:13 Joe Rogan, thank you for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's up, my brother? Always good to see you.

Tim Dillon 0:16 Good to be here.

Joe Rogan 0:17 You escaped from LA before the massive strike.

Tim Dillon 0:19 Yeah, well there was a... I- I think it didn't affect flights as much as I thought, but it was a 11,000 city workers decided to strike, and a lot of those are air- but air traffic controllers are federal.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Ah.

Tim Dillon 0:31 But the baggage claim's all screwed up. They canceled a bunch of stuff.

Joe Rogan 0:36 (sighs)

Tim Dillon 0:36 I don't know. It's 11,000 city workers. I don't know what their, what, you know. It's- I think it's a- a bunch of different groups of them that want stuff.

Joe Rogan 0:45 Yeah, is there, like, specific demands? Like, is it pay increase, health care?

Tim Dillon 0:48 Maybe they want to stop getting killed by the homeless. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:52 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:52 Maybe it's very reasonable. Maybe it has nothing to do with money, and they're like, "We just want to stop being, like, people flinging their excrement at us while we're cleaning the park."

Joe Rogan 1:00 Could be.

Tim Dillon 1:01 Yeah. I don't know what it is. I don't know what the demands are.

Joe Rogan 1:05 You know-

Tim Dillon 1:05 Maybe they're scared they're gonna be replaced by AI, like the actors and writers.

Joe Rogan 1:09 They might, they might be.

Tim Dillon 1:10 Who knows?

Joe Rogan 1:10 You know what the sketchiest thing that I saw about the whole actor-writer thing was that for background players when people work on a film, they wanted access to their image forever.

Tim Dillon 1:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:23 So, they would take you and make a digital version of you.

Tim Dillon 1:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25 So, if you're, like, a background guy, instead of paying background people to hang around in some crowd scene-

Tim Dillon 1:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:30 ... they will now just fill it in with you. So, the same background people, which is, like, one of the nuttiest fucking, like, fringe theories of any catastrophe, is that you have these, these actors.

Tim Dillon 1:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:47 Like, what do they call them? Catast-

Tim Dillon 1:49 Crisis actors.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Crisis actors, right.

Tim Dillon 1:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Where these people are hired by the federal government.

Tim Dillon 1:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54 And they're- they appear in, like, multiple different scenarios-

Tim Dillon 1:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58 ... where they say that something happened to them-

Tim Dillon 2:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:00 ... and the shooter entered into the building, and-

Tim Dillon 2:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:03 Well, they're striking next, the crisis actors.

Joe Rogan 2:05 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 2:05 They're gonna go, "I am worried that my likeness will be used at Sandy Hook in perpetuity without my..." Yeah, it's weird. It's weird because it doesn't seem like there's a way to prevent it, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:20 Prevent the digital use of your imagery? Yes.

Tim Dillon 2:22 Well, everybody's, every business in the world is using AI, right?

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:27 You know, these movie studios and, you know, streamers spent a lot of money investing in, uh, AI technology during the pandemic. They... A lot of in-house AI projects, and-

Joe Rogan 2:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:39 ... you know, I imagine that they're gonna utilize that technology to some degree. I agree, though, that it's creepy, and it will eliminate a lot of jobs. And if there's a way to stop them, great, but is there?

Joe Rogan 2:53 There's no way.

Tim Dillon 2:54 There doesn't seem to be a way.

Joe Rogan 2:56 No, that train is rolling.

Tim Dillon 2:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:58 And there's a lot of track in front of it, and it has insane momentum.

Tim Dillon 3:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:01 And you're not gonna put your hand out and stop it.

Tim Dillon 3:04 Yeah. You might mitigate the effects. Maybe the government would pass, like, a law saying, "Listen, you can't replace more than 10% of your workforce with AI over the next five years." I don't know if that would even be a feasible thing to do, but maybe they could do something like that.

Joe Rogan 3:21 But the- the problem is, if you have a business, and the business can be better run by AI, do you have a responsibility to hire human beings to do a lesser job?

Tim Dillon 3:31 Great question.

Joe Rogan 3:33 It's a real good question.

Tim Dillon 3:34 Great mo- and if you listen to these-

Joe Rogan 3:35 Just an ethical, moral question.

Tim Dillon 3:36 ... like, Drake songs that they're coming out with AI, sort of Eminem song that just came out with, they're good.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 3:43 They're good.

Joe Rogan 3:44 I was just having a conversation with Post Malone about it. 'Cause, you know, Post uses, like, autotune, but he writes all his own songs, you know? And he s- he performs all his own songs, and I think his fans want to know that's him singing a song. They would probably still enjoy a fake Post Malone song, but dude, when I saw him live last night. When you see these people singing along with him, it's something really powerful, man.

Tim Dillon 4:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:11 It's- it's not just like a regular concert. It, they- they fucking love that dude.

Tim Dillon 4:17 Well, look at the Taylor Swift thing, which I feel-

Joe Rogan 4:19 Yes.

Tim Dillon 4:19 ... very left out of because I'm the only person that has not seen it. And I don't, I don't get it. Like, she's clearly talented, and God bless, I just don't have that thing where I'm like-

Joe Rogan 4:29 But you're not a girl. That's all it is.

Tim Dillon 4:30 Yeah, but the, but the dudes are there too.

Joe Rogan 4:32 Yeah. Dave Portnoy loves it.

Tim Dillon 4:34 They all, a lot of people love it. And I don't get it, and I just... And I don't begrudge anyone else getting it. It's just not-

Joe Rogan 4:40 But maybe if you go to one live, you'll get it.

Tim Dillon 4:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:43 'Cause it's supposed to be a spectacular show.

Tim Dillon 4:46 S- s- s- sure.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Like, tons of dancers and visuals.

Tim Dillon 4:49 Great. Yeah, I just. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:53 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:53 That's phenomenal. I grew up listening to people like Tina Turner and Janis Joplin.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 4:57 And so, to me-

Joe Rogan 4:58 Right.

Tim Dillon 4:58 ... it's like Taylor Swift, but it's different. It's different.

Joe Rogan 5:01 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 5:01 That's all I'm gonna say. I don't wanna be attacked. I don't want people following me. It's just, it's different.

Joe Rogan 5:04 It's- it's just, it's... You know what I mean? It's like, this is, like, the same thing about the Barbie movie.

Tim Dillon 5:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Maybe it's not for you.

Tim Dillon 5:12 That's right.

Joe Rogan 5:12 And if it's not for you, and you're-

Tim Dillon 5:13 That's okay.

Joe Rogan 5:14 ... going and giving this scathing review of-

Tim Dillon 5:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:16 ... something that's clearly not for you.

Tim Dillon 5:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:19 Look, I get it if that's your business. You're in the culture war business. You're in the critique business.

Tim Dillon 5:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:25 You're- you're in the reaction video business.

Tim Dillon 5:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:28 I get it.

Tim Dillon 5:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:29 I get it. But just as, like, a rational person-

Tim Dillon 5:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:32 ... like, imagine being mad that people like Taylor Swift.

Tim Dillon 5:35 No, there's no anger. I would lo- I actually, like most cultural things, I wish I got it.

Joe Rogan 5:42 Eh- eh- eh-

Tim Dillon 5:42 My life would be easier if I got, like, I would be more included. I would be able to participate in conversations easier.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 5:49 I- I wanna be in.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Right.

Tim Dillon 5:52 All these things that people like that I can't get into, I want to be in.

Joe Rogan 5:57 The Barbie movie is an interesting one.

Tim Dillon 5:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:59 Because it is clearly a movie that's made for girls.

Tim Dillon 6:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:03 And everybody else.

Tim Dillon 6:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:05 But also, it's a Barbie movie.

Tim Dillon 6:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Barbies appeal to girls. It's like saying Commando was not just for guys.

Tim Dillon 6:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:11 You know, with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Tim Dillon 6:12 There's a few-

Joe Rogan 6:13 I mean, there's probably-

Tim Dillon 6:13 There's a few people on the margins that will like it, right?

Joe Rogan 6:17 Yeah. Sure.

Tim Dillon 6:17 There's a few lesbians that go to see Commando and they're very into it.

Joe Rogan 6:21 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 6:21 A few gay men really love Barbie.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Right.

Tim Dillon 6:23 But the vast majority, it is gender specific.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yes.

Tim Dillon 6:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:27 And there's, like, a tremendous amount of outrage about that movie. And when I went to see it, apparently people are upset at my reaction to it.

Tim Dillon 6:33 Why? 'Cause you-

Joe Rogan 6:34 Because I was genuinely surprised that anyone would be upset at the movie.

Tim Dillon 6:36 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Because, like, it's just, it's, what they're mad about is talking about the patriarchy. But first of all, it's a fucking parody movie.

Tim Dillon 6:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:43 It's a movie about a doll who comes to life, and you have a doll who lives in that world where the doll's the most important thing.

Tim Dillon 6:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:50 And it's all about Barbie and Barbie's world. Of course the men would be superficial. Ken is superficial.

Tim Dillon 6:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:57 That's, that's the plot, that's the-

Tim Dillon 6:59 It's the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 6:59 How else are you gonna make a Barbie movie where Barbie comes to life? I mean, it's a great juxtaposition, like the, seeing the difference between the world of living human beings, where men are running everything, and the world of Barbie World, where the Barbies are the Supreme Court-

Tim Dillon 7:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:13 ... and they all wear bikinis on the Supreme Court.

Tim Dillon 7:15 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 7:15 It's funny.

Tim Dillon 7:16 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 7:16 Dude, it's a funny movie, man.

Tim Dillon 7:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:18 It's like I just don't understand why people would get so upset at this movie that's just not made for them.

Tim Dillon 7:24 Well, 'cause it's-

Joe Rogan 7:25 And it's-

Tim Dillon 7:25 How they, you said it per, it's how you make money.

Joe Rogan 7:27 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 7:28 So if that's how you make money-

Joe Rogan 7:29 But it's like this culture war aspect of it.

Tim Dillon 7:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:30 It's like, come on, people.

Tim Dillon 7:32 Well, there's I think there's an idea that, uh, you know, that everything that's out right now, there is political implications to everything.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Everything.

Tim Dillon 7:40 And that's kind of exhausting.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 7:42 Right? It's tiring, right? Figuring out if your yogurt is woke.

Joe Rogan 7:46 Uh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 7:47 Like going through your grocery, going, o- opening your refrigerator and going, "What's woke? Is the mustard woke?" It's, it's crazy, and I think people are a little sick of it, and I think it's a little... First of all, all the food's poison. Let's start there.

Joe Rogan 8:00 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 8:01 That should make more sense. It should be the, the barbecue sauce is liquid sugar poison, not does it want trans people, you know, to fucking take their tits out at the White House. It's food, and it shouldn't, you know... But it's, it's a level of wild that, you know, I don't think people were prepared for. I think Bud Light made a little bit of a mess, right?

Joe Rogan 8:21 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:21 They put Dylan Mulvaney, uh, out there, and then I think people, you know, were kind of like, "Hey, what's going on?" And then it just became a firestorm, and then like everything else, it's like contagion.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:32 So it spreads now. And now it's like, well, what is Chick-fil-A doing? Are they doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing?

Joe Rogan 8:39 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:40 And it's kind of, it's just, it's getting tiring.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Conservatives are trying to find fake conservatives.

Tim Dillon 8:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Like they're engaging in the same sort of behavioral that they-

Tim Dillon 8:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:49 ... accuse the liberals of doing of these liberal witch hunts.

Tim Dillon 8:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:51 They're doing it with conservatives. Like, you could never be woke enough, you could never be s- conservative enough. Some of them, like-

Tim Dillon 8:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:56 ... want to call people closet cons- like closet liberals, or you know that term rhino.

Tim Dillon 9:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Republican in name only. It's really-

Tim Dillon 9:02 Yes, for sure.

Joe Rogan 9:03 It's fa- the tri- the tribal war between-

Tim Dillon 9:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:06 ... human beings that seemingly will always exist.

Tim Dillon 9:09 It'll never end.

Joe Rogan 9:09 It's so fascinating how that mindset just takes new forms, you know?

Tim Dillon 9:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 And, and has the same behavior that the thing that it hated decades earlier, like on the left, like this, this want for war in Ukraine, this trust-

Tim Dillon 9:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:25 ... in the military industrial complex in Ukraine.

Tim Dillon 9:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Like what happened to you guys?

Tim Dillon 9:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:29 Like you guys are a totally different thing. Like no one's discussing-

Tim Dillon 9:33 Every argument made against, rightly, the Iraq War-

Joe Rogan 9:36 Yes.

Tim Dillon 9:36 ... and the Afghanistan War, like what's the plan?

Joe Rogan 9:39 Yes.

Tim Dillon 9:39 We're gonna be in a quagmire.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Yes.

Tim Dillon 9:41 You know, the money would be better used at home. All of those arguments were used, you know, ad nauseum by people on the left, and they were right. And now if you bring up any of those arguments about the Ukraine, you're called heartless.

Joe Rogan 9:53 It's weird, man.

Tim Dillon 9:54 You're called a Putin apologist.

Joe Rogan 9:56 It's weird.

Tim Dillon 9:57 So it's weird.

Joe Rogan 9:57 And the best take on it was Trump.

Tim Dillon 9:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:59 When he was doing the, what is her name? Kaitlan Collins? Is that what her name is? The journalist that was asking him, and she was kind of like trying to say in a gotcha way-

Tim Dillon 10:09 Right, who do you want to win?

Joe Rogan 10:10 "Do you want, were you craned to win this war?" And he said, "I, I just want people to stop dying." And that-

Tim Dillon 10:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:16 ... is somehow controversial.

Tim Dillon 10:17 Yeah, and that's the-

Joe Rogan 10:18 And because it's coming from him.

Tim Dillon 10:19 Right. Anything that he says, no matter how logical it is, people are going to, uh, attack.

Joe Rogan 10:26 100%.

Tim Dillon 10:26 And, and that was a very logical statement, "I just want people to stop dying." By the way, that's the appropriate response to truly really every war out there.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 10:35 Is that there's been no war that really hasn't been won with some type of agreement, treaty, uh, compromise, right? Most wars, uh, have some type of end game where you can go, "Okay, we gotta split up territory, we gotta start a provisional government," whatever it is. Now, this might be more difficult to do that. But at the end of the day, unending conflict only hurts the people in those countries fighting the wars and becoming victims of the wars. They don't hurt the people here making a lot of money.

Joe Rogan 11:07 It's just so sketchy whenever money gets involved.

Tim Dillon 11:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Whenever you're realizing that people have an incentive to keep this rolling to the tune of who knows how many billions of dollars so far. Like how much has been spent on that war so far?

Tim Dillon 11:20 Oh my God, I mean-

Joe Rogan 11:21 In America.

Tim Dillon 11:21 ... it's over a trillion probably, you know, we spend a lot of m- Well what got me interested, what was m- why I started to read about it and, you know, was like overnight, overnight the worst people in the world were, were absolutely in love with the Ukraine. Like the people that, you know, again, the pro-Iraq War-

Joe Rogan 11:41 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:41 ... pro-Guantanamo Bay, pro-torture, pro- you know, preemptive war, they all were like very much across the board the idea that we have to support the Ukraine for as long as it takes and give them whatever it takes. And I felt like that was crazy because we've seen that in the past bite us in the ass a lot of different places. And they all, I mean these are like-... the worst people in the world. The people at Beverly Hills who are, like, make valets cry, who are like, "Get my fucking car," like those people, they all had Ukrainian flags on the outside of their house. But they didn't care about Yemen. They don't care about what goes on in the Middle East in terms of, like, the Palestinians or, uh, you know, what's happening over there. They don't care about a lot of issues and a lot of places, but they seem to really believe that we had to arm the Ukraine and engage in kind of this proxy war with Russia for an unending period of time, no matter how dangerous it got. And Russia's a country with a lot of nuclear weapons. So, I mean, what is the American national interest in the continued, in that continued policy? I don't know. Go to any city in America, right, and you, you see a lot of problems, homelessness, drug addiction. All of the money we're sending to the Ukraine probably could be used here.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Right. And there was a long period where everybody knew that there should be something done to clean up the places that got hit by the riots-

Tim Dillon 13:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:13 ... to deal with some of the homeless encampments. There should be a way where reasonable people can come to some solution. We need funding to fix these things.

Tim Dillon 13:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:22 But the fact they just all of a sudden have trillions of dollars-

Tim Dillon 13:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 ... for this.

Tim Dillon 13:27 Right. It's-

Joe Rogan 13:28 Like where was all that money? Like why-

Tim Dillon 13:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:30 What about investing in cities? What about-

Tim Dillon 13:32 Well, in the b- beginning, it was, "We want peace," and Ukraine was invaded by Russia. And, and I understand, you know, s- uh, supporting Ukraine to a degree, but now we're talking about the only acceptable outcome is regime change in Russia.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Right.

Tim Dillon 13:44 And then there was this guy, this hot dog warlord, this guy-

Joe Rogan 13:47 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:47 ... who had (laughs) sold hot dogs and then was chopping people's heads off. Okay? He did this, like, fake coup that didn't work, and everybody in our media was like, "He's gonna be great. Let's get rid of Putin," who w- you know, his problems, his faults notwithstanding and he's a murderer, he is done crazy things, but we've lived with him for 20 years in relative peace, meaning like-

Joe Rogan 14:07 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 14:08 ... we've never had a war with him. Right?

Joe Rogan 14:10 Right. Right.

Tim Dillon 14:10 He's done things in his region, but he was the first leader after 9/11 to call us and say, you know, like, "Hey, I'm sorry about that. Da, da, da, da, da, da." Whatever the case may be, we were ready to just get rid of him and throw in a dude who hours before was lobbing people's heads off in the street. And-

Joe Rogan 14:28 Wild.

Tim Dillon 14:28 So that to me is like you start looking at foreign policy going, "Does anyone care about anything?" Like does anybody... Like this guy's a, a mass murderer. He's running, uh, the Wagner Group, which is like, uh, you know, this group of, like, prisoners, ex-prisoners that he recruited from Soviet prisons, from Russian prison. And these are, like, murderers and rapists. He's going, "Let's go to the Ukraine and kill everybody." And then everybody's like, "No, he's the... He'd be great." Doesn't make, it doesn't make too much sense to me. And then that doesn't happen and everyone goes, "Duh."

Joe Rogan 15:02 Well, the crazy thing is that it's been adopted wholesale by the left-

Tim Dillon 15:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:07 ... the people that are always the most skeptical about war.

Tim Dillon 15:09 Well, were, but I mean if you look at a lot of wars I guess in history, a lot of them have been started by Democrats. It seems like the party in power likes war. Seems like if you're the party in power in this country, you do like a war. Um, with the exception of Trump, and I know people get mad when I say this, but Trump wasn't in a ton of wars. I mean, he did do some drone strikes, he did things, but, you know, the party in power seems-

Joe Rogan 15:31 He died like a dog. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 15:33 Right. (laughs) Right. The party in power, they seem to like war. And I get it.

Joe Rogan 15:36 Always.

Tim Dillon 15:37 I would too. I would too, because it gives you something to, to talk about and do.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Well, Trump was, uh, the first guy that I ever saw who was a sitting president who openly admitted that the military-industrial complex wants you to go to war.

Tim Dillon 15:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Like when Eisenhower was resigning, he said it, but Trump actually said that.

Tim Dillon 15:53 He said it.

Joe Rogan 15:54 In an interview. I think it was with Steve Hilton on Fox.

Tim Dillon 15:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Which is just a wild thing to hear, that they might be influenced-

Tim Dillon 16:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:02 ... to be more inclined to get in, not, not wars when they're necessary, but-

Tim Dillon 16:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:06 ... like wars that they can justify-

Tim Dillon 16:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:08 ... for financial reasons.

Tim Dillon 16:09 And listen, we should treat the people that serve in the military with the respect of being honest with them about what their mission is, right? And why they're somewhere.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:17 If you're gonna make the ultimate sacrifice for America, you're gonna be... Make that sacrifice. You're gonna put yourself in harm's way. You might die. You have a family and kids. They're not getting paid millions of dollars. We're not making them famous. They're not... You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 16:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:32 ... the, you know, we should treat them with the respect of, like, the things they do should be vital and necessary for our security. They shouldn't just be out there making people money.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Right. Exactly.

Tim Dillon 16:46 Which is why when I run to governor-

Joe Rogan 16:48 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 16:48 ... when I run for governor of California, which I should.

Joe Rogan 16:51 You could probably win.

Tim Dillon 16:52 I actually thought about it, you know, maybe not seriously, but, you know, maybe... I said, "Why not? Why not?"

Joe Rogan 17:01 You would really get a lot of votes.

Tim Dillon 17:03 There's something about it, because-

Joe Rogan 17:05 If you were serious about it?

Tim Dillon 17:06 I'm, I might be serious about it, because, like, I, I... The only thing that's gonna be against me is the hours and hours I have of me talking.

Joe Rogan 17:15 (yawns)

Tim Dillon 17:15 That's gonna be tough, because people are gonna be able to isolate-

Joe Rogan 17:18 Sure.

Tim Dillon 17:18 ... lots of things I've said and they've go... They're gonna go, "Hey, this is crazy."

Joe Rogan 17:22 But don't you think-

Tim Dillon 17:23 And I also might get bored with the job in a week and quit.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Uh, that's the problem.

Tim Dillon 17:26 That's the problem.

Joe Rogan 17:27 That's the real problem. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:27 I might just, I might just book, like, a comedy club in-

Joe Rogan 17:30 (laughs) Des Moines.

Tim Dillon 17:31 Yeah. It's nowhere good. And I might just leave and go, "This is kind of boring." 'Cause I don't think... You know, I don't know. Governing... Running seems great. Winning is great. Governing seems te- terrible.

Joe Rogan 17:44 It doesn't seem like it's totally doable.

Tim Dillon 17:47 That's right.

Joe Rogan 17:48 It seems like whatever changes you make... First of all, imagine you're a guy or a gal or a non-binary person just becomes-

Tim Dillon 17:56 Of course.

Joe Rogan 17:56 ... the president. You have to run in and fix all of the chaos. You have to deal with everything involving foreign policy. You're responsible for everything involving infrastructure, transportation, anything financial. You're responsible for all-

Tim Dillon 18:12 It's tough.

Joe Rogan 18:12 ... the failures. You get very little credit for the success.

Tim Dillon 18:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:15 They'll, they'll just name the innovators in each field that, that did this and you got lucky.

Tim Dillon 18:19 And it is a thankless job.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 18:21 And that's why they steal.

Joe Rogan 18:22 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 18:23 That is why they steal. Like, you gotta give it to them.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 18:26 The reason Pelosi and them steal is 'cause she's like, "Listen, you motherfuckers didn't care about the student lunch program we did. No one reported on that. So the reality is, we're gonna have to take a little off the top."

Joe Rogan 18:37 You think that's what it is?

Tim Dillon 18:38 That's probably what it is.

Joe Rogan 18:39 I think they just get used to that job. I think-

Tim Dillon 18:41 That grift?

Joe Rogan 18:42 Yeah. I think people... And I think that's how, uh, people who are relatively good people become politicians and get tainted by it.

Tim Dillon 18:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:50 I think when you get inside the machine and you realize that influence has a massive effect on all sorts of decisions that get made, and that there's some sort of weird loophole that allows you to know about laws that are gonna be passed in advance, and then buy stock in accordingly.

Tim Dillon 19:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:05 In accordance, rather, to what you know, and it's not insider trading. It's not illegal.

Tim Dillon 19:09 It should be.

Joe Rogan 19:10 And they all do it. Like if you look at the, like the congressman, let's... Right and left, they're all doing it.

Tim Dillon 19:15 Yeah. But it's gotta be the g- It's gotta suck to be the guy who goes to Washington who doesn't do it.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 19:19 You gotta, you gotta suck so much, like if you get there and you're from some shit state, right? Delaware, something.

Joe Rogan 19:26 (laughs) Delaware.

Tim Dillon 19:26 And you get there and like you're gonna ruin the party, you're gonna blow the whistle. Like, everybody's like, "Dude, this is how we make our money."

Joe Rogan 19:33 Right.

Tim Dillon 19:33 And you're the guy fucking that up. That's gotta be a lot of pressure.

Joe Rogan 19:37 They would kill you.

Tim Dillon 19:38 They'd probably kill you.

Joe Rogan 19:38 It's like New York City cops.

Tim Dillon 19:39 That's right.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Yeah. It's like that movie, The Seven Five.

Tim Dillon 19:42 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:42 You know, first day on the job, he sees a guy get thrown out of a window.

Tim Dillon 19:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:45 He's like, "He jumped, right?" And they're like, "Yeah."

Tim Dillon 19:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:47 "Definitely jumped."

Tim Dillon 19:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:49 "You guys, you guys just killed somebody."

Tim Dillon 19:50 Yeah. Yeah. I guess-

Joe Rogan 19:51 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 19:51 ... there's so much pressure because you don't wanna be on the outs with everybody.

Joe Rogan 19:56 Yeah. Especially when you are involved in this business, it's very competitive, right? You're getting elected all the time. You're competing with other people. You're trying to get your name out there. And you, you, and you're, you're in this world where all these people that are in this world are doing this thing.

Tim Dillon 20:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:11 You're gonna do that thing too probably. You'd have to be like... Or you'd have to be very vocal against it, and that would be a real problem.

Tim Dillon 20:17 Or you gotta be a guy like Bernie Sanders who like gets nothing done.

Joe Rogan 20:20 Eh.

Tim Dillon 20:20 People just like him.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 20:22 He's liked, but he gets nothing done. He's from Vermont. He's like, "I'll... You know, I'm, I'm cool. I believe in shit." Everybody's like, "Good for you." And then nothing happens.

Joe Rogan 20:33 I think he would've been an interesting one-term president.

Tim Dillon 20:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:36 It would've been very-

Tim Dillon 20:37 Very interesting.

Joe Rogan 20:38 It would've been very interesting if there was no shenanigans, right? If the-

Tim Dillon 20:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:42 ... the DNC didn't rig the primaries.

Tim Dillon 20:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:45 'Cause they kinda did, right? I don't know how they did it, but that's, this is something that, um... What's that woman's name who wrote that book? Uh, Donna...

Tim Dillon 20:55 Brazile?

Joe Rogan 20:55 Donna Brazile, yeah. She talked about it, and she talked about being terrified after, uh, Seth Rich got murdered.

Tim Dillon 21:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:03 You know?

Tim Dillon 21:04 She was terrified for her own life?

Joe Rogan 21:05 Sure. I mean-

Tim Dillon 21:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:06 So like, like peop- Like just random violence.

Tim Dillon 21:09 House of Cards.

Joe Rogan 21:10 Not, not murder.

Tim Dillon 21:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:11 But random violence-

Tim Dillon 21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:12 ... is common in DC.

Tim Dillon 21:14 That, that-

Joe Rogan 21:14 Like DC is a-

Tim Dillon 21:15 Right. But also, that probably wasn't...

Joe Rogan 21:18 Probably wasn't random.

Tim Dillon 21:19 And that Hou- House of Cards, if you rewatch it, I re-watched it, it is probably pretty close to the way things happen. I mean, listen, they... Do they make it fun to watch? Absolutely. I guaran- When, but when everybody's being blackmailed and controlled and people disappear and die...

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 21:37 That probably is close to the way it works.

Joe Rogan 21:40 Probably real close.

Tim Dillon 21:41 Probably real close.

Joe Rogan 21:42 Yeah, super close. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 21:43 But then you think, how else could it work, right? Like, it's weird to envision... It's almost weirder to think of it not working like that, in a weird way. Not to be too cynical about it, but like, like th- Just imagining people showing up in like good faith debating each other and being like, "Well, I see your point," and, "Well, I have a point." Like, it feels like that's a total fantasy. That would be great, and I'd love that to happen. That feels more of a fantasy than House of Cards where they're like, "Oh, you don't wanna vote on that bill? Take a look at that envelope," and it's just-

Joe Rogan 22:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 22:15 ... some, you and some chick you're fucking-

Joe Rogan 22:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 22:17 ... walking out of a restaurant. That seems to be more the way it happens.

Joe Rogan 22:21 Definitely more the way it happened in the past.

Tim Dillon 22:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:24 And we know that, so-

Tim Dillon 22:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:25 ... probably more likely it happens like that now.

Tim Dillon 22:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Imagine being in any other business where when your friend drowns in front of your house, everybody's like, "Right."

Tim Dillon 22:38 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Any other business. Like if you're a comic-

Tim Dillon 22:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Like if you came over my house and drowned-

Tim Dillon 22:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:44 ... no one would think I killed you.

Tim Dillon 22:45 No one.

Joe Rogan 22:46 They would just think you drowned.

Tim Dillon 22:47 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 22:48 But if you're a politician, if I was the president-

Tim Dillon 22:49 People would be very not shocked if I drowned.

Joe Rogan 22:51 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 22:52 It would be-

Joe Rogan 22:53 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 22:54 (laughs) It would be a very, like believable... You could drown me and there'd be marks around my neck. They'd be like, "That fat idiot fell-"

Joe Rogan 23:03 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 23:03 ... "choked themself and died." Like, it would be easy.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Right.

Tim Dillon 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Um-

Tim Dillon 23:08 Any of our friends, pr- for the most part, not all of them.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Pretty much everybody-

Tim Dillon 23:11 Most pe-

Joe Rogan 23:11 ... except for Alex Jones.

Tim Dillon 23:12 Most people we know-

Joe Rogan 23:14 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 23:14 ... could die and it, it would be a very believable story.

Joe Rogan 23:17 Yes.

Tim Dillon 23:17 Just some dumb thing they did or something-

Joe Rogan 23:20 Sure.

Tim Dillon 23:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:20 It does happen.

Tim Dillon 23:21 But when a chef is on a pond-

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:24 ... outside of your house... By the way, when you're not there, like you're letting the chef use your estate when you're not there. Doesn't that seem weird that the Obamas were like, "Oh, no, no, no. You go, you go use it. Yeah, that $11 million house we have in Martha's Vineyard, you use it." Doesn't that seem odd?

Joe Rogan 23:43 Well, if the house is that big though, it probably has a guest house.

Tim Dillon 23:48 If they were there, it makes sense. He's cooking for them.

Joe Rogan 23:51 But why... Weren't they on the island though?

Tim Dillon 23:52 I don't know, but I-

Joe Rogan 23:54 I think they're saying they were on the island. The problem is, we can't have access to the recordings. Um, the 911 calls, 'cause you'll hear satanic sounds in the background.

Tim Dillon 24:05 (laughs) Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:07 I mean, like, (grumbling) .

Tim Dillon 24:07 Yeah, right, right.

Joe Rogan 24:08 You hear screams and-

Tim Dillon 24:08 Well there was also, there was weird stuff with the, with the police log with that, where they didn't-

Joe Rogan 24:12 Gongs. (imitates gong)

Tim Dillon 24:13 They didn't... (laughs) Right. They d- they didn't fill it out immediately.

Joe Rogan 24:17 Oh, really?

Tim Dillon 24:17 Yeah. I mean, there's shady stuff.

Joe Rogan 24:20 Ooh. Shady stuff.

Tim Dillon 24:20 But listen, here's the reality.If you're the Obamas and you can't kill someone you want, what is the point?

Joe Rogan 24:26 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 24:27 Like, literally-

Joe Rogan 24:28 Well-

Tim Dillon 24:28 ... what is the point?

Joe Rogan 24:28 But imagine if you're the Obamas and your friend just fucking drowns.

Tim Dillon 24:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:33 I mean-

Tim Dillon 24:34 And you didn't have anything to do with it.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Maybe he-

Tim Dillon 24:36 That's unfortunate.

Joe Rogan 24:37 ... had a, a reaction to some medication-

Tim Dillon 24:39 Poison that you gave him. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Or maybe it's some medication that a lot of people took-

Tim Dillon 24:44 Right. And he... To me, I'm like-

Joe Rogan 24:45 ... and he has a heart attack.

Tim Dillon 24:46 A lot of people near these people die. That's my only thing.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 24:49 Like, if you're, like, a dog walker for the Clintons or you're, like, a sha-... Like, if you're near either the Bush family, the Clinton fam... Like, a lot of these families, the people that are with them, their secret service agents, they have... It's... They have accidents. They hear a lot of stuff.

Joe Rogan 25:03 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 25:04 They, they overhear stuff. They're party to things. They see things. And then a lot of them, uh, just... You know. They have accidents.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Yeah. Whoopsies.

Tim Dillon 25:11 Bye.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Whoops.

Tim Dillon 25:12 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 25:13 All of a sudden, the guy's hanging from an extension cord and-

Tim Dillon 25:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:16 ... shoots himself in the chest with a shotgun.

Tim Dillon 25:18 That seems... You know.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Yeah. Well-

Tim Dillon 25:20 Unlikely.

Joe Rogan 25:21 And the shot... Where'd they find the shotgun? How far away did they find it from his body? Some very unusual distance.

Tim Dillon 25:26 I'd be so disappointed if we find out none of it's true.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Oh, yeah. Imagine?

Tim Dillon 25:29 I would be so disappoint... If we find out that all of them died of natural causes-

Joe Rogan 25:34 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 25:35 ... I would be so disappointed.

Joe Rogan 25:37 When... There's, like, 50 people that have died under suspicious circumstances.

Tim Dillon 25:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:43 At least one of them... Right? Uh, it says the 12-gauge shotgun was 30 feet from his body when he was found dead.

Tim Dillon 25:50 Right. Well, he shot himself and then through it.

Joe Rogan 25:52 30 feet is very far. That could be that... Here's the thing. If you are actually holding a shotgun and shooting it in your chest, there's not gonna be any resistance on the other end.

Tim Dillon 26:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:06 So it's essentially like a rocket. So it's not th-... Because of the way you would have to do it-

Tim Dillon 26:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:11 ... to shoot yourself in the chest with a shotgun-

Tim Dillon 26:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:13 ... it's possible.

Tim Dillon 26:15 It is.

Joe Rogan 26:15 And it's pos-... Yeah, it's possible that it would go flying.

Tim Dillon 26:17 And then it would fly out.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Yeah, it would go flying.

Tim Dillon 26:19 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 26:20 So, maybe he was just super troubled, and that is what he did.

Tim Dillon 26:23 You just gotta think about it. If you're at that... If you occupy that level of society and somebody's threatening you, how do you deal with it?

Joe Rogan 26:31 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:31 If you have the, you know, whatever you wanna call it, the a- ambition, the ruthlessness to get there, and somebody's trying to take that from you-

Joe Rogan 26:40 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:40 ... what do you do? How do you handle it? You try to b-... Like, blacken their name in the press. You try to besmirch them. W-... And if that doesn't work, what do you do? Do you just say, "Okay, I guess we're just gonna get taken down by a scandal," or do you just say, "Hey, we gotta take care of this"?

Joe Rogan 26:57 It... I think it d-... Really depends on who you are and what kind of access to people you have. You know?

Tim Dillon 27:04 I can't imagine anybody getting to that level of society-

Joe Rogan 27:08 Right.

Tim Dillon 27:08 ... and letting themself get taken down by someone far below them.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Right.

Tim Dillon 27:14 Usually, when those families get taken out, they're taken out by, like, an equal.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Mm.

Tim Dillon 27:18 Someone at their level, right?

Joe Rogan 27:20 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 27:20 But when someone far below you that you could get rid of-

Joe Rogan 27:24 Ooh.

Tim Dillon 27:25 Or, you know. It's... It's like that guy outside of that restaurant in LA, Austrian Motza, on, uh, Melrose and Highland, whose car just went into a-

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:33 L- See, things like that happen, and of course, yeah, maybe he was drunk and just decided to go 150 miles per hour.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Who's talking about that, uh, journalist?

Tim Dillon 27:39 Michael Hastings. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:40 Things like that happen, and they're weird, and you s- say to yourself, like, "Did you piss the wrong person off?"

Joe Rogan 27:47 And he certainly did.

Tim Dillon 27:48 Yeah. And, and, and, and then how do people at that level deal with it? It makes a lot of sense to me that people like that would use violence to deal with their enemies.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 28:01 You know?

Joe Rogan 28:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 28:02 To silence their enemies forever. Like, that makes sense to me. But maybe I'm too cynical and maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But it w-... It would make a lot of sense to me that they would... There'd be a meeting. I think the people would meet, and they'd go, "Yeah, we gotta take care of this. We can't allow this to become a thing."

Joe Rogan 28:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 28:25 You know?

Joe Rogan 28:26 And that's how they've done it throughout history.

Tim Dillon 28:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:28 I mean, that's what they did when they got rid of JFK.

Tim Dillon 28:31 That's what Lizzo should've done with those bitches.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Ah, the Lizzo sh- (laughs)

Tim Dillon 28:33 With those bitches who turned on her-

Joe Rogan 28:37 (coughs)

Tim Dillon 28:37 ... because sh- she was trying to help them. First of all, that- that's not even a chara-... Like, you don't get to be a fat backup dancer. That doesn't exist. It's not real. Lizzo made that category of person. She made it, and then they turned on her. That's crazy. She made it.

Joe Rogan 28:53 What did she, what is she accused of?

Tim Dillon 28:55 Fat shaming them, making them rehearse, making them stand up. That's what their version of fat shaming is.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 29:01 Making them stand up and walk onto the stage. Making them rehearse, taking them to a sex club in Amsterdam where, uh, the performers are shooting, uh, bananas out of their pussies, because this is what happens. And Lizzo's, like, forcing them to touch the nude performers and force one of them to eat a banana that came out of the vagina of a sex worker... Performer, dancer in the sex club. Lizzo makes the girl... She's like, "Eat the banana, eat the banana," and then the girl gets really angry at that. But supposedly, Lizzo was just, uh, abusing her power.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Mm.

Tim Dillon 29:38 This is what they're all saying.

Joe Rogan 29:40 Mm.

Tim Dillon 29:40 But I don't know if I buy that. I think it's bitter people, maybe, that are angry. 'Cause they all look like Lizzo.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 29:49 This is what's gonna drive them nuts. They look exactly like her. And she's worth $40 million, and they're probably getting paid shit. So they're in the background every night dancing, and it ain't easy. It's fun to be on that TV show that she had, but then you have to do it every night. A- They're icing their joints.

Joe Rogan 30:07 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 30:09 A-... You know, it's hard. They're in the trailer.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 30:12 It's fucking tough. Lizzo had to start getting on some of them going like, "You gotta tone it down. You know, it's becoming a problem, you know? The weight is becoming a problem." And then, then Lizzo's response was she's like, "I would never fire any of them because of their weight." It's like, what a weird statement. They're dancers. How fat can they get?

Joe Rogan 30:30 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 30:32 ... how fucking big can they get? If I wanted to be a dancer for Taylor Swift, and she came up to me and went, "You're too fat to do this," I'd go, "That makes sense."

Joe Rogan 30:41 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 30:41 And I'd leave with some dignity. But these women, Lizzo has them on stage, she has them dancing, and then all of a sudden, you know, she's abusing or making them do weird shit. And they all are now suing her, and her streaming has slowed down big time. The ads-

Joe Rogan 30:59 Oh.

Tim Dillon 30:59 You know how it is.

Joe Rogan 30:59 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 30:59 It's a big, uh, cancellation.

Joe Rogan 31:01 So, did she... Th- so, this show, were these girls dancers before they got on her show?

Tim Dillon 31:06 No, because you-

Joe Rogan 31:07 Or was it just girls?

Tim Dillon 31:07 ... can't be a dancer at a certain-

Joe Rogan 31:11 Right.

Tim Dillon 31:11 Let's just be very honest here. They're not at the, at the ballet. You know how the-

Joe Rogan 31:17 Of course.

Tim Dillon 31:17 ... ballerinas are on their tippy-toes?

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yes.

Tim Dillon 31:19 That's not happening. These women, it's f- a fetish, dancing.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Yes.

Tim Dillon 31:24 It's a, these are larger women, okay? And I don't mean, like, "Ooh, I had a cheesecake." I mean, like, these are big, big, big ladies, and they're dancing because Lizzo's whole thing, Lizzo's like, "I'm not getting enough attention just being the fatty up front. I want everyone on stage to be fat-"

Joe Rogan 31:39 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 31:39 "... so I can get more praise."

Joe Rogan 31:41 Right.

Tim Dillon 31:42 'Cause the media will be like, "Not only is she fat, everyone's fat. The whole stage looks like shit. How good of a person is she?"

Joe Rogan 31:48 Uh.

Tim Dillon 31:49 That's what they want, and I think that's what she wanted. She wanted... It wasn't enough that it was her, it had to be everybody.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Right.

Tim Dillon 31:54 And that's what bit her in the ass.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Uh, but the question was-

Tim Dillon 31:58 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 31:58 ... these gals, how often did they have to dance? Was it, like, every night? Like, how often was-

Tim Dillon 32:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:04 ... that show? Was it a once-a-week show? What was it?

Tim Dillon 32:07 I don't know, but they're on tour, so you'd figure when you're on a-

Joe Rogan 32:10 Oh.

Tim Dillon 32:10 They were on tour.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Okay, so they're doing regular shows.

Tim Dillon 32:13 Regular shows.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Now, this is my question. When you're a big girl and you're not exercising-

Tim Dillon 32:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 ... then all of a sudden, someone hires you for a dance show because they want big girls-

Tim Dillon 32:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:23 ... and then you have to do that kind of shit every day.

Tim Dillon 32:26 It's tough.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Like, your body's not prepared for that. Your joints are weak.

Tim Dillon 32:30 Very hard.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Like, uh, you can get really fucked up doing... That's like asking someone to go into, like, some crazy cardiovascular workout.

Tim Dillon 32:38 Yeah, (laughs) right. That's it. And they get mad at Lizzo because Lizzo doesn't have to do anything, she just pulls out the flute.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Can I see what it looked like? Can you show me what that show was like?

Tim Dillon 32:46 Can you show us the Big Grrrls, Here Come the Big Grrls is the show? But I think they're also angry at Lizzo because they're like, "We're dancing and rehearsing, and she doesn't have to rehearse." Lizzo just kind of walks out on stage and sings her songs and does a little, but then pulls out the flute. These girls have to, like, dance through the whole thing, so it's difficult.

Joe Rogan 33:04 Right.

Tim Dillon 33:04 Hard.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Oh, psh- it sounds hard.

Tim Dillon 33:06 It's not easy.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Uh, here's the TV show, I guess.

Tim Dillon 33:08 It's hard for a dancer. Here we go.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Okay, so there's Lizzo. It's on Amazon Prime Video.

Narrator 33:16 What's up, y'all? It's Lizzo. I'm looking for dancers to join me on my tour. Girls that look like me don't get representation. Time to pull up my sleeves and find them myself. (laughs) We thick and we pretty and we know what we about. It's the battle of the Big Grrrls.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Ugh.

Narrator 33:38 Background dancer for Lizzo, it would just mean everything.

Tim Dillon 33:42 You could tell how badly this was gonna go, by the way.

Narrator 33:45 Hey, ladies! What do we have in store? This is the fun part. I'm always doubting myself and I feel like that has been detrimental in how I approach dance. I'm realizing that I do deserve a spot on that stage. It's hard to love yourself in a world that doesn't love you back. You were created specially in your image for you to enjoy. You don't have to be light-skinned. You don't have to be skinny. You're just beautiful the way you are. I need to challenge myself and step outside my comfort zone. Now, I'm going into competition mode. Liar! Some people are not at the same level that I am. I'mma call you little sis. She's trying to demean me. She's not understanding how to read the room. Oh! You might not make it into the show.

Joe Rogan 34:28 All right.

Narrator 34:28 I see a lot of-

Tim Dillon 34:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:29 ... potential.

Tim Dillon 34:29 What, so, what was that one that we just passed through?

Joe Rogan 34:32 Well-

Tim Dillon 34:33 There, there was one that, like... Was that a transgender person?

Joe Rogan 34:35 Yes, I believe that is a transgender person.

Tim Dillon 34:37 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:38 Even in, like- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:38 ... a quick glance.

Tim Dillon 34:39 Yes, it was a quick. That wasn't... They... I'll say they didn't do a great job at the, you know, fully going to the other gender there.

Joe Rogan 34:49 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 34:49 Like, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:50 It's like they kind of stopped... And that's fine. Not everyone does a great job all the time at everything.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Not of anybody else's...

Tim Dillon 34:55 I brought my car in to get washed and it comes out and you go, "Meh." And that's kind of what that was. Um, but-

Joe Rogan 35:00 That... So, the show is basically, she's hiring these girls?

Tim Dillon 35:03 These girls... Listen.

Joe Rogan 35:05 And then they're going on tour together.

Tim Dillon 35:06 I've had drug a- drug addictions. I've had eating things. Like, when you are not in a good mental state, which is a lot of the reason people act out with different things, right? With substances, with food, with whatever. You know, and w- you know, listen, if you have people that are emotionally... That have issues, you know, and Lizzo might has- have them as well, it's a toxic soup of maybe that's a, becomes a problem-

Joe Rogan 35:33 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 35:33 ... on tour.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 35:35 Everybody... It's... The idea of a judge having to adjudicate this, to me, is the funniest thing I've ever... The idea of a judge in a room having to go, "Who called who fat?" Looking, Lizzo's on one side and then the dan- and he's, like, staring and everybody going, "Wait, who's who? Who's... What? Who's fa-..." Like, it's crazy, but, you know, it's unfortunate because, you know, they're coming for her career.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 35:57 They're coming for her career big time.

Joe Rogan 36:01 The show itself seems like it would be a health risk.

Tim Dillon 36:04 Oh, it is. It's unfortunate-

Joe Rogan 36:05 It seems like it would be, right?

Tim Dillon 36:06 It is.

Joe Rogan 36:06 Like, to force people to work out.

Tim Dillon 36:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:08 What does it say? Part of the lawsuit has to do with the recording that one of the dancers made, and I'm reading this article. This sounds... And it's interesting, if you guys would wanna read it.

Tim Dillon 36:16 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:16 I think it's pretty fun. What does it say?

Tim Dillon 36:17 "The suit al- also describes an alleged meeting with dancers on April 27th, in which Lizzo repeatedly referenced Williams' termination, allegedly telling her that she had, quote, 'eyes and ears everywhere.' Davis recorded this meeting because she suffers from an eye condition that can make her, quote, 'disoriented' in stressful situations, according to the suit."... days later, Lizzo- Lizzo allegedly held an emergency meeting where she discovered that the previous meeting had been recorded, the suit says. She became furious, hurling expletives at the group and stating that she was gonna go around the room person by person until somebody told Lizzo who made the recording, according to the lawsuit. The suit says Davis confirmed that she had recorded the meeting, allegedly told Lizzo that she hadn't meant any harm, and had deleted the video. Lizzo allegedly responded, "There is nothing you can say to make me believe you." So it's kinda like a, like mafia shit.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Right. They got, well someone did... Here's what I wanna know. When it says, "Became furious, hurling expletives at the group and stated that she was going to go around the room person by person until someone told Lizzo who was making, who made the recording." God, I hope she refers-

Tim Dillon 37:21 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 37:21 ... to herself in the third term.

Tim Dillon 37:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:22 Third person. Don't you?

Tim Dillon 37:23 Somebody better tell Lizzo. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:24 'Cause if that, I, I hope-

Tim Dillon 37:25 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... that's how she says it. That would be amazing, if she said, "Someone better tell Lizzo."

Tim Dillon 37:30 Yeah. I mean, she brought all these women on tour probably to abuse them, you know?

Joe Rogan 37:36 I don't think they thought it through. That's what I'm saying, it's about like health-

Tim Dillon 37:38 Y- when you have a bunch of fatty boom baddies-

Joe Rogan 37:40 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 37:41 ... on the tour, it's, she's probably having a little fun going, "Girls." You know, she's probably-

Joe Rogan 37:48 Eat some pussy out of banana.

Tim Dillon 37:50 Yeah, eat the pussy banana.

Joe Rogan 37:51 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 37:52 And also, bitch, do it, 'cause where else are you gonna dance?

Joe Rogan 37:54 Right.

Tim Dillon 37:55 You're not getting hired anywhere else, like unfortunately or fortunately. You're not working.

Joe Rogan 38:01 Right.

Tim Dillon 38:01 So you were given this really weird unique opportunity that only exists with this one woman.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 38:08 It doesn't exist anywhere else. So, you know.

Joe Rogan 38:12 There's a, this, this is like, not to body shame anybody, but what, there was, there's been a weird shift-

Tim Dillon 38:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:17 ... the, in just the way society looks at these things.

Tim Dillon 38:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:20 Because it used to be that women that were representing clothes and things had ideal shapes.

Tim Dillon 38:28 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:29 Like that's what they used for advertisement.

Tim Dillon 38:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:31 And then something changed and they decided to-

Tim Dillon 38:34 Well society used to really prioritize people who could breathe on their own.

Joe Rogan 38:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 38:44 And then that, and, and I, and-

Joe Rogan 38:47 Ugh!

Tim Dillon 38:47 ... and listen, listen, as a person, I've struggled with my weight. I, but I know that y- you, fat is not good. Eating the wrong thing isn't good.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Right.

Tim Dillon 38:56 We shouldn't turn it into good.

Joe Rogan 38:58 Right. We shouldn't-

Tim Dillon 38:59 It, there's, it's crazy to turn it into good. That's a horrible idea.

Joe Rogan 39:04 There's p- people that could be encouraged in this exact same state, they could either be encouraged that you're perfect on your own and don't you worry about anything-

Tim Dillon 39:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:15 ... and don't you even worry about what food is. Just eat to your heart's content.

Tim Dillon 39:19 Right. Well there were, there were things, the LA, they put this weird story out where it was like the LA school district was like, "Let's stop telling kids that fruits and vegetables are good."

Joe Rogan 39:27 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 39:27 "And that junk food is bad," because the reality is that's racist. I don't know how-

Joe Rogan 39:32 I don't know how either, but I saw that.

Tim Dillon 39:33 ... but they were like, yeah, they were like, "It's racist if you tell a kid there's a difference between an Oreo and an orange."

Joe Rogan 39:39 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 39:39 "That is racist." Um, recently they had a thing where Lizzo lost a few pounds. I don't know how, but she did, you know, she moves around a lot so she shaved a couple off. Maybe lost a little bit in the face. Don't know how it happened. They started attacking her. The fat activist people started saying, "How dare you. You're losing weight. You're the symbol of fat," and she should never have let them put that crown on her-

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 40:04 ... when, when they said, she should've said, "Hey, I'm an artist. I'm a singer. This is what I do," not, "I'm the symbol of all fat people."

Joe Rogan 40:11 Right.

Tim Dillon 40:11 Because now you own them. Now you own the fatties.

Joe Rogan 40:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 40:15 And that's-

Joe Rogan 40:15 Then you have to stay fat.

Tim Dillon 40:16 And you gotta stay fat, and like, so Lizzo loses a few pounds and then people started attacking her going, "How dare you lose the weight." And Lizzo literally made a statement, she said, "I move around a lot for my job." I mean look at how insane this world is. Lizzo goes, "I move around a lot for my job. I lost a little bit of weight. I'm not trying to be thin. I don't even wanna be thin. This was an accident."

Joe Rogan 40:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 40:40 To keep this rabid fan base of crazy people-

Joe Rogan 40:47 My health was an accident. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 40:47 My health was an acci- I'm sorry, I didn't mean it.

Joe Rogan 40:50 I didn't mean to improve.

Tim Dillon 40:51 It won't happen again. So it's, we've gone so far-

Joe Rogan 40:55 Can I just tell this?

Tim Dillon 40:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Kevin James had a manager that told him once-

Tim Dillon 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 ... "When you're losing weight, you're losing roles."

Tim Dillon 41:01 Right. Well if you're an actor and you're used to that certain thing, you know, people gotta get used to you another way, whatever. But like, you gotta remember, with somebody like Lizzo, right, you couldn't lose a lot of weight, you're still a problem. Like that's the whole thing. It's like, she could lose a lot of weight and it's still, uh, like, the, it's such a, it's such a luxury concern when people are like, "Well how's the world gonna relate to me with a six-pack?" It's like, just stand up by yourself first.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 41:32 And then get to there. But, um, it's crazy. We- we've shifted the goalpost from like let's not abuse people, let's not be nasty to people, uh, especially if you don't know them, or if you know them, if they're your kids or your friends, it's completely appropriate to go, "Hey, what's going on here?" But if you don't know people, shitting on them on the internet or whatever, that's a shitty thing to do. But saying that there's no difference health-wise between the big girls on that show and then thinner dancers is crazy.

Joe Rogan 42:00 It's crazy.

Tim Dillon 42:01 And we can't live in a world that's got... We can't live in a world where we remove all sense of reality-

Joe Rogan 42:07 Right.

Tim Dillon 42:08 ... because then it's like the only fun of eating a cupcake or a little scoop of ice cream is knowing it's bad.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Right.

Tim Dillon 42:15 That's the point. Not because it's good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:19 Right.

Tim Dillon 42:20 When you eat a little something you shouldn't eat, you go, "I did the wrong thing."

Joe Rogan 42:23 I'm a bad boy.

Tim Dillon 42:24 And you should feel ashamed a little bit. There should be a little shame there.

Joe Rogan 42:28 And it's worth the shame 'cause it tastes so fucking good.

Tim Dillon 42:31 Yeah, but just worth the shame, like-

Joe Rogan 42:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 42:33 ... you, you know, if you've ever been... I walked out of a frozen yogurt shop once and someone recognized me.

Joe Rogan 42:38 (gasps)

Tim Dillon 42:38 I don't get recognized all the time, but somebody recognized me. You should be ashamed of that.

Joe Rogan 42:43 Mm.

Tim Dillon 42:43 If someone goes, "Hey man, uh, I, I like your stuff," and you're holding frozen yogurt at 2:00 PM-

Joe Rogan 42:49 Mm.

Tim Dillon 42:49 ... you should be ashamed of that.

Joe Rogan 42:52 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 42:52 (laughs) That should be a shameful moment in your life.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 42:55 You should be like, "Ugh." Walking out of an ice cream shop in the mid-afternoon with Sam Tallent-

Joe Rogan 43:00 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:00 ... um-

Joe Rogan 43:00 Sam.

Tim Dillon 43:00 ... in Austin. Walking out of Amy's Ice Cream with Sam Tallent, and then somebody goes, "Oh, Tim Dillon."

Joe Rogan 43:04 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:04 And you go... You spin around, you look at the... And it's too... And the only other people in the thing are children.

Joe Rogan 43:09 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:10 'Cause it's a fucking ice cream shop. The only people there are fucking ch- kids.

Joe Rogan 43:14 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:14 They're nine years old, right?

Joe Rogan 43:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:15 And then these rich bee-cave moms. They're, they're should be a moment there where you go, "Oh, this isn't good. This isn't right." D- divorcing yourself from that, that's when I think comedy gets weird. That's when I think everything gets weird. When you stop saying what is real-

Joe Rogan 43:31 Right.

Tim Dillon 43:31 ... or true to you, and when you start adopting this idea that up is down and down is up, and it's just a matter of how you look at it, that's when everything starts to get crazy.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Yeah, and that's where we are.

Tim Dillon 43:45 That's kinda where we are.

Joe Rogan 43:46 There's a certain percentage of the population that is questioning everything right now. I mean, mathematics.

Tim Dillon 43:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:54 They're talking about mathematics being racist and subjective or somehow.

Tim Dillon 43:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:58 What was the argument?

Tim Dillon 43:59 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Oh, it's like-

Tim Dillon 44:00 Because it was designed, anything designed by white people, like I said, is inherently potentially...

Joe Rogan 44:04 (sighs)

Tim Dillon 44:05 You just gotta... I-

Joe Rogan 44:06 So dumb.

Tim Dillon 44:07 Yeah. Well, now it's important to like... Local, local stuff's important now, right? Like your family.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 44:13 You can't really rely on institutions. You can try to improve them, but the local stuff's important, like your family, your community, the values that people have, right?

Joe Rogan 44:22 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 44:23 And the schools you send your kids to. Like, the, the context you provide your kids now. So when a tea- when they come home, they go, "Well, the teacher said this." And you go, "Yeah, yeah, but let me..." You can't outsource it anymore-

Joe Rogan 44:36 Hm.

Tim Dillon 44:36 ... and trust that your kids are gonna get, like, a good education. You have to get involved and go, "Okay, your teacher might have some points. But also, there's also a whole other world here." Like, I think... I don't think we could send kids to school and have them go, like, "No, your teacher's right about everything," which I never believed.

Joe Rogan 44:55 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 44:55 I never believed that somebody driving a Toyota Camry was correct.

Joe Rogan 44:58 But you also have to think that those adults are with your children more than you are during the day.

Tim Dillon 45:04 That's right.

Joe Rogan 45:05 They're there for hours and hours-

Tim Dillon 45:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:07 ... with the undivided attention of your kids.

Tim Dillon 45:10 That's right.

Joe Rogan 45:11 And some of 'em are fucking loons.

Tim Dillon 45:14 Some of them are nuts.

Joe Rogan 45:15 And some of them think that they have a job to do, to like remove the programming of the parents that they-

Tim Dillon 45:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:23 ... don't agree with.

Tim Dillon 45:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:24 So they w- could not agree with the parents and tell the kids that the parents are wrong and they're right. Like-

Tim Dillon 45:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Which is a real creepy thing because-

Tim Dillon 45:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:33 ... I don't know who's right and who's wrong, which is... This is a made-up scenario, right? But just that someone would decide that they are right and the parents are wrong, and they wanna convince this child of something, whether it's, uh, they have political leanings-

Tim Dillon 45:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:50 ... or whether it's their, their attitude on whatever the fuck it is.

Tim Dillon 45:52 Whatever it is, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Whatever it is. That someone would get into your kid's head-

Tim Dillon 45:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 ... and have some very questionable and debatable ideas that they're trying to push as doctrine.

Tim Dillon 46:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:04 And that does happen. I've had some shitty fucking teachers that will just tell you, you know, tell you that they are right about certain things.

Tim Dillon 46:12 Yes. I used to do cocaine with the substitutes at my school, and those were... That was kinda the level of teacher we had. But we had some great teachers, and then we had some teachers that were not great, right?

Joe Rogan 46:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 46:24 There, you know, we all know those teachers, right? We all know those teachers who had a kind of an agenda. Like-

Joe Rogan 46:30 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 46:30 ... they went in, and they were like... They were teachers 'cause nobody would listen to them.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 46:34 So now they had this captive audience, and they were like, "Well, I'm gonna talk." We had a health teacher like that in, uh, you know, uh, high school that had like an agenda, not even like a sexuality agenda or whatever. She would just complain about her own miserable life-

Joe Rogan 46:48 Dude, that's hilarious.

Tim Dillon 46:48 ... to us. Like, she would just tell us about her husband and everything like that.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Ah.

Tim Dillon 46:53 She was going through a divorce.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 46:55 And you're like, "Oh, this woman just wants people to talk to."

Joe Rogan 46:57 And that's how she talked class?

Tim Dillon 46:58 Yeah, she just would complain about like, she had just gone through a divorce and-

Joe Rogan 47:03 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:03 ... you know, like her husband.

Joe Rogan 47:04 And what was the subject?

Tim Dillon 47:05 It was health. It's like a fake class anyway kinda.

Joe Rogan 47:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:09 And this bitch would just get up and like... Literally, she said to one kid once, she goes, like a really effeminate kid, he was like, "Well, if I get married..." She goes, "You're gay." And, and then like-

Joe Rogan 47:18 Oh my God. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:19 And then the class was like, "What?"

Joe Rogan 47:20 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:20 And then she's like... She goes... (laughs) And he goes, "Excuse me?" And she goes, "No, you're gay," and then just moved on like she was wacky. And I think she ended up getting-

Joe Rogan 47:30 Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 47:31 ... fired. But she clearly used her classroom as like a thing, like a therapy session.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 47:36 Where she wasn't like going over... You know, sh- this was just like her... I think that my grandmother was a teacher. She was an amazing teacher. Um, but yeah, I don't think it's appropriate, uh, to inf- like you can have opinions obviously as a teacher.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 47:51 But like, you know, you gotta understand that there's like certain things that... But then there's overreaction too, where I think they banned a book in Florida 'cause it had two penguins that were dudes, but it wasn't, like they weren't, the-

Joe Rogan 48:03 What?

Tim Dillon 48:03 ... penguins weren't fucking.

Joe Rogan 48:04 What?

Tim Dillon 48:05 They unbanned the book.

Joe Rogan 48:06 Come on. They, they unbanned it or-

Tim Dillon 48:07 DeSantis gets a li-

Joe Rogan 48:07 Or-

Tim Dillon 48:07 ... he gets a little wild.

Joe Rogan 48:08 Someone ban... Well, he's probably got some really wild people that are supporting him too.

Tim Dillon 48:11 Yes. So he gets a little wild.

Joe Rogan 48:13 You get, you get into those religious-

Tim Dillon 48:14 It gets a little cult-like.

Joe Rogan 48:16 ... groups. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 48:17 Gets a little cult-like.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Very, very.

Tim Dillon 48:18 But I'm, all the, as, as somebody who's, uh, uh, been out of the closet for years and years and don't hide anything, I don't think six-year-olds should be taught about any sexuality.

Joe Rogan 48:27 No.

Tim Dillon 48:27 It has nothing to do with their lives.

Joe Rogan 48:29 Right.

Tim Dillon 48:29 They should be taught reading, math, the alphabet. So anybody going like, "Boys in this line, girls in this line, and this line is for my special people." Like-

Joe Rogan 48:39 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 48:39 ... out. That's what I feel.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 48:41 And, and that's what most gay people over a certain age feel. It's like, it's silly. And-

Joe Rogan 48:46 And Tango Makes Three recrowts- recounts the true story of two male penguins who were devoted to each other at the Central Park Zoo in New York. A zookeeper who saw them building a nest and trying to incubate an egg-shaped rock gave them an egg from a different penguin pair with two eggs after they were having difficulty hatching more than one egg at a time. The chick cared for by the male penguins was named Tango. So male Tango had two gay dads.

Tim Dillon 49:10 Is that... Yeah, I'm trying to-

Joe Rogan 49:11 That's what they're saying.

Tim Dillon 49:13 But they unbanned this, I think. They banned it and then un- I don't know why they unbanned it.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 49:18 ... it was the ban was lifted, 'cause I guess they just-

Joe Rogan 49:20 This is-

Tim Dillon 49:20 ... it wasn't explicit.

Joe Rogan 49:21 What is wrong with gay pun- penguins?

Tim Dillon 49:24 I don't know. But-

Joe Rogan 49:25 See, but-

Tim Dillon 49:25 ... e- e- e- 'cause I think it's an overreaction, because it's like-

Joe Rogan 49:27 But there were books-

Tim Dillon 49:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:27 ... where they were showing-

Tim Dillon 49:28 Of course.

Joe Rogan 49:29 ... like explicit-

Tim Dillon 49:30 Crazy shit.

Joe Rogan 49:30 ... like oral sex.

Tim Dillon 49:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:31 They were, they were showing, like-

Tim Dillon 49:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:32 ... illustrations of oral sex.

Tim Dillon 49:34 Of... That's crazy. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Which is crazy.

Tim Dillon 49:36 No, it's insane.

Joe Rogan 49:36 And talking about lust and wanting someone. It's like, it's, it's essentially cartoon pornography.

Tim Dillon 49:41 No, it's, that's crazy, and it's also crazy to introduce the concept of, like, gender theory to children.

Joe Rogan 49:48 It's not fair.

Tim Dillon 49:48 It's not fair. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 49:50 It's not fair, 'cause also-

Tim Dillon 49:50 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 49:51 ... kids are so fucking malleable, man. You, you-

Tim Dillon 49:53 They're malleable, and if they hear, like, "Oh, there's boys and girls and then there's this-"

Joe Rogan 49:56 Yes.

Tim Dillon 49:57 If you're transgender, you'll know. You'll know. If you're gay, you'll know. There isn't, like, uh, you don't need to be told-

Joe Rogan 50:06 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 50:07 ... that you're transgender or gay or lesbian, whatever. You don't need to be told that by anybody.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Another thing that really scares me is there does not seem to be a lot of attention paid, made to de-transitioners.

Tim Dillon 50:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:22 You know, when you're celebrating this one thing-

Tim Dillon 50:25 There's another side.

Joe Rogan 50:26 ... I feel like you have a responsibility to look at-

Tim Dillon 50:29 Except Ben Shapiro's doing a new musical, The De-transitioners.

Joe Rogan 50:33 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 50:33 That will be very good on his-

Joe Rogan 50:34 He apparently hated Barbie.

Tim Dillon 50:36 Yeah. On his platform, where it's gonna be a bunch of trans people who've de-tr-... Well, the funniest thing now is some of the people that are critical of the trans stuff are, like, trans people that, like, have de-transitioned.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 50:49 So they look wild.

Joe Rogan 50:51 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:51 And then they're on Twitter, or whatever it's called now, fighting with the other people, and you're like, it's like the Lizzo fat thing, where you go, "Wait, who's what?"

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:58 Like, I don't even know what's happening. But yeah, there's a lot of people that went through that stuff and went back. So to me, it's like you sh-

Joe Rogan 51:05 One of the guests of this podcast did.

Tim Dillon 51:07 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:08 Christian Beck.

Tim Dillon 51:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:09 She was Chris, it was a Navy SEAL, became, his name's Chris Beck, right, and then he became Christian and then went back to being a guy.

Tim Dillon 51:18 That's why you can't make those decisions when you're young. You gotta-

Joe Rogan 51:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 51:24 ... see what happens.

Joe Rogan 51:27 Well, you also gotta realize that there is some very strange spectrum of human being.

Tim Dillon 51:34 That's right.

Joe Rogan 51:35 And everybody, like, looks, for some reason, we try to find what is like us out there.

Tim Dillon 51:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:42 You know, you just can't just accept what, whatever we can't-

Tim Dillon 51:45 See, it's so weird, 'cause I, I'm the opposite where it's like I'm fascinated by people not like me.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Ah.

Tim Dillon 51:51 Like I see these comedy shows in New York City where it's like they'll be like The All Brown Comedy Show or The All Gay Comedy Show, and I'm like, "You're living in New York City. This is the most diverse place on Earth, and you wanna hang out with seven people that look exactly like you?"

Joe Rogan 52:06 Right.

Tim Dillon 52:06 It's the weirdest thing in our culture now, that everybody needs to be around people like them.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Well, it's social media echo chambers-

Tim Dillon 52:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:14 ... amplified into the real world. That's what it is. And e- the, the thing about wanting everybody to be like you, the problem with that is, like, what if you go up last? All those fucking dudes have all the-

Tim Dillon 52:25 They've taken it.

Joe Rogan 52:25 They have all the material.

Narrator 52:26 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 52:27 They've taken-

Joe Rogan 52:28 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 52:28 They've taken every bit.

Narrator 52:29 They have every premise.

Tim Dillon 52:29 Every observation. Oh, your dad wanted-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:32 ... you to be a doctor, too?

Joe Rogan 52:33 Yeah. Da-dun-dun.

Tim Dillon 52:34 It's just, I understand community, I understand having shared experiences with people.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:39 But I also think the most c- the, some of the most adventurous parts of life and the most interesting-

Joe Rogan 52:45 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:45 ... and the most exciting are when you're with... How many cool star- stories start with, like, somebody went on a trip and met a bunch of people they had no idea-

Joe Rogan 52:55 Right.

Tim Dillon 52:55 ... from different cultures.

Joe Rogan 52:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:56 And they said, "I had the most epic trip ever, because..." And they'll describe every person that ended up on this backpacking thing with them, and not one of them is like another one.

Joe Rogan 53:06 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:06 And it seems so cool that everybody brings a perspective that you don't have.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:13 You know?

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:13 And now it's like people are like, "Oh, I just wanna be around people like myself all the time." And to me, I'm like, "Isn't that boring?" Isn't it boring to agree with all of your friends?

Joe Rogan 53:24 It is boring.

Tim Dillon 53:24 It's boring.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:26 Do, you wanna, you want people in your life that you detest.

Joe Rogan 53:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:33 You know? Like, you strongly-

Joe Rogan 53:34 Also, the-

Tim Dillon 53:34 ... dislike.

Joe Rogan 53:35 ... that think they're smart and are wrong.

Tim Dillon 53:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:38 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:39 But-

Tim Dillon 53:39 Those are the funnest people.

Joe Rogan 53:40 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:40 Certainty is hilarious.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yes.

Tim Dillon 53:42 People that have to reverse themselves all the time are really-

Joe Rogan 53:45 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:45 I have to reverse myself a lot.

Joe Rogan 53:46 I do, too.

Tim Dillon 53:47 I will do a whole thing, and then people go, "Well, it's not like that," and I go, "Well, then that's fine, too."

Joe Rogan 53:50 Ah.

Tim Dillon 53:51 And I'll just keep going, like, 100%, because that's what keeps life fun.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Yes. Yeah. And, you know, and it's always interesting to try to figure out why someone strongly believes what they believe if you don't believe it. It's always interesting.

Tim Dillon 54:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Especially if they're smart.

Tim Dillon 54:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:07 It's, it's always interesting to, like, go, "Okay, how did you come to that?" Like when really brilliant people are very religious, I'm always interested.

Tim Dillon 54:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:14 I'm always like, "That's interesting."

Tim Dillon 54:15 And I, what's very interesting is, like, I, for me, my grandmother and grandfather were deeply religious. My grandmother was a liberal, my grandfather was a conservative. So politically, they were completely different, but they each went to mass every day and they believed deeply in, in the Catholic faith, right? And they had great lives, and it was a very important thing for both of them. But politically, they came out of com- from completely different ways. So he'd vote for Reagan, and she'd vote for, uh, whoever, right? Mondale.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Wow. A, a divided household.

Tim Dillon 54:46 Well, no. It was they were different. My grand- my grandfather was my father's father, my grandmother was my mother's mother. But they got along, they loved me, they were great people. They were very religious. But my grandmother said, "I don't, I, for example, don't believe women that want abortions should have to go to a back alley." And my grandfather said, "I believe that life starts at conception. We should not have legal ab-" They was a big disagreement.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 55:14 But, like they bo- and to some people, that would've disqualified my grandmother. They would've been like, "Well, she's not a real Christian." But she was out teaching catechism-... helping people, volunteering, doing all this stuff that Jesus probably would've done, you know?

Joe Rogan 55:28 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 55:28 So, it was like they were completely different. But, yeah, it is interesting when you're deeply religious. I think it's, it's a lot of, like, you know, without religion, it is difficult, without some idea of why we're here and what we're doing, it is a, it's a tough go of it-

Joe Rogan 55:46 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 55:47 ... for a lot of people.

Joe Rogan 55:47 It's a, it's a tough go of it as a pure intellectual.

Tim Dillon 55:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:50 You know? And some of the smartest people I know are really freaked out about life.

Tim Dillon 55:54 Everything that's just chance and theories and going like, one guy gets in a car, another guy gets in a car, that guy makes it home, that guy doesn't-

Joe Rogan 56:03 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:05 Living with the reality of that every day is really tough.

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:10 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 56:12 It is.

Tim Dillon 56:12 So, I think what, you know, these systems that, you know, are very comforting, and it would be great if there was some version of it that was true. Like, if there was some omniscient being rewarding the good and punishing the bad-

Joe Rogan 56:25 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:25 ... phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 56:26 I think there's a lot of that-

Tim Dillon 56:29 But maybe there's a third way, which you talk about a lot, and that's from, like, the DMT and stuff like that. Maybe there's an, maybe we all just go to some peaceful energy field? Isn't that kind of the game?

Joe Rogan 56:39 Who know, well, who knows what we are? Like-

Tim Dillon 56:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:43 We think of our consciousness as our consciousness coming out of our mouth through our words.

Tim Dillon 56:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:48 And what we do and where we go and what we see.

Tim Dillon 56:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:51 You know, but, like, what is it, like, what, what is that energy when it, if it's unstrapped from the human body, when it doesn't need to communicate with sound, when it doesn't have a body?

Tim Dillon 57:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Like, is, is there something in there that goes somewhere else?

Tim Dillon 57:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:05 'Cause that, if that's, like, the, this idea of the soul, like, that's one of the ways that people describe, like, uh, DMT experiences, that you're entering into, like, a well of souls.

Tim Dillon 57:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:18 You know, that there's this, some process-

Tim Dillon 57:20 It's the p-

Joe Rogan 57:20 ... where that-

Tim Dillon 57:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:22 ... thing, that thing goes back into a body, and then a new body has that thing in it.

Tim Dillon 57:28 Interesting. So, it's kind of-

Joe Rogan 57:29 This is the reincarnation-

Tim Dillon 57:30 ... the reincarnation.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 The reincarnation idea.

Tim Dillon 57:32 But I don't want that.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Ugh. There's another one.

Tim Dillon 57:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:35 One other thought.

Tim Dillon 57:35 I don't like that one, so let's get to one I like.

Joe Rogan 57:37 The other one is that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.

Tim Dillon 57:42 That, I don't love either.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 57:44 That, I don't love either.

Joe Rogan 57:46 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:46 That I have to take mega buses again and, you know, perform in bars-

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yep.

Tim Dillon 57:50 ... in Western Massachusetts.

Joe Rogan 57:51 I know, but would that be so horrible? It's, if you already did it.

Tim Dillon 57:54 What about past life regressive therapy? You think there's anything to that? Or, or do you think that's just a racket?

Joe Rogan 57:59 Passive regressive?

Tim Dillon 58:00 No, past life regression.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Oh, past life regression.

Tim Dillon 58:02 Where, like, somebody will go-

Joe Rogan 58:03 Um-

Tim Dillon 58:03 ... "You were Napoleon."

Joe Rogan 58:04 Well, there, there's some real issues with that.

Tim Dillon 58:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Th- pe- people are very suggestible. It depends entirely on who's providing the therapy. There was a guy that did that. His name was John Mack, and he did that with UFO people, all these people that claimed to have been abducted. And he freaked out Maura Tierney, and she gave me a book, like, at work, uh, when we were doing news radio together. She's like, "You gotta read this. This is crazy." And it's all about these people that got abducted. They all have the same fucking story. And this guy did it all through hypnotic regression. But there were some people that felt like he had made suggestive, um, questions to them, and that perhaps led them in a certain way-

Tim Dillon 58:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:45 ... to, uh, maybe even fabricate this kind of a memory. I don't know, though. It's like s- I'm super suspicious. I mean, I think that it's totally possible that someone could put you into hypnosis-

Tim Dillon 58:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:59 ... and in, in that hypnosis, you can recall something that was traumatic. I also think it's totally possible for you to have false memories implanted in your head-

Tim Dillon 59:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:07 ... 'cause they know that you can do that. They know they can do that with people. They can give people false memories. And so, these people, they'll, they'll tell them about things that happened, and all these peop- th- these people will r- repeat this thing that happened.

Tim Dillon 59:17 Remember it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 They remember it, but it never happened, and then they have to tell them, "That never happened."

Tim Dillon 59:21 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 59:22 My, my friend's mother was into, like, Shirley MacLaine, apparently, is really into this stuff.

Joe Rogan 59:27 Oh, super into it.

Tim Dillon 59:28 She's super into it, too. My friend's mother was, like, really into it, too. And my friend's mother was just a rich Long Island wine drunk.

Joe Rogan 59:35 Nice. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 59:35 And she just, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 59:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 59:38 She was, she didn't work or anything. She-

Joe Rogan 59:39 Right.

Tim Dillon 59:40 You know, she was just a fun, crazy bitch that we'd drink martinis with and smoke cigarettes, and it was so much fun. And then, like, after a few martinis, she'd start talking about her past life and Shirley MacLaine and, and how she used to, you know, she was a man in her past life, and she was, like, a general-

Joe Rogan 59:56 Oh.

Tim Dillon 59:56 ... in a war-

Joe Rogan 59:57 Of course.

Tim Dillon 59:57 And, right, of course.

Joe Rogan 59:58 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 59:58 Of course, because she went shopping all day.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Always a winner.

Tim Dillon 1:00:00 She went to the grocery store.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Yeah. In the past, she was a winner.

Tim Dillon 1:00:03 (laughs) Yeah, sh- you're right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 I did my winning-

Tim Dillon 1:00:05 Yes, she, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 ... in another life.

Tim Dillon 1:00:08 Yeah. She was like, "I was Napoleon." You know, and-

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Imagine bragging about a past life. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:00:12 Well, that's what she would do. She would get hap- so, it always turned me off to it 'cause I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 (burps)

Tim Dillon 1:00:16 ... "Oh, this bitch seemed like-"

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:00:17 And then Shirley MacLaine would have some workshop where all these crazy bitches would go in, that, of course, had nothing to do during the day-

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:00:24 ... and they would sit there, and then Shirley MacLaine would be like, "And you were a, you know, you were the Queen of England."

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:00:32 (laughs) And, "You were Napoleon, and you were a soldier who tried to kill Hitler. You kept trying to kill him, but you didn't get..." And it was this weird shit that, like, Shirley MacLaine would tell all these people that, like, they were, like, I don't know, like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Yeah. It's just huckster stuff. It's-

Tim Dillon 1:00:47 ... important. It feels-

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 It's tough- yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:00:48 A lot of it feels like that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Yeah, it's, um, tent church hustlers.

Tim Dillon 1:00:52 They sell crystals by Malibu.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:00:54 You know, like, you drive down the PCH, there's, like, a crystal truck on the side of the road.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:00:58 What is that?

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 What is that?

Tim Dillon 1:01:00 But that's the thing, in LA-

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 What are they selling? Are they selling vibes?

Tim Dillon 1:01:01 ... there's a lot of, like, those yoga people-

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:01:04 ... that just are, you know, which, but it's also very selfish, a lot of it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 The yoga stuff?

Tim Dillon 1:01:09 They, they always talk about themselves. And I'm not saying-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Yes.

Tim Dillon 1:01:11 ... there's anything wrong with it, but everything's about them.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 My favorite is, "Learning to love yourself." (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:01:16 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Are you okay?

Tim Dillon 1:01:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 You don't?

Tim Dillon 1:01:19 ... but like, you talk about these people and they're like, "Well, the energy," and this, that, and the other thing.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:01:23 But it always comes down to them.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:01:24 They're never like, "The- the energy was really good, uh, in the soup kitchen where I was giving the guy the food." It's always like, "I felt that I had to move to Marina Del Rey because I consulted and I went, I took ayahuasca, I went, and my shaman led me on this journey, and the journey resulted in, that I should live, uh, in Marina Del Rey." It's always like, you know, a very kind of like, "It's about me."

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:01:49 It's like all those guys who go to Burning Man to take all those mushrooms and it's, you know, it's like, okay. But it's like, they're not like... You know, i- it's not like this, you know, the ethos isn't like le- like these are the same guys that are like designing like the types of systems that are like taking all your information and selling it to someone.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:02:08 So it's like they're taking a bunch of mushrooms and then realizing that like, "Oh, I can make a better Palantir." Or (laughs) you know? It's like, here's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 (laughs) I could sell more data.

Tim Dillon 1:02:17 Yeah, I could sell more data. It's like, all those festivals have now been invaded by like these tech guys who just go there and they're like, "Dude, the world..." Like, they're like, "I just gotta really, like, get into myself." And then they're like designing, like, stuff that like the CIA is using. So it's kinda wild to me the way that we appropriate anything. We just take any spiritual experience we want and make it serve us.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah. That's a fact. That seems to be a human characteristic.

Tim Dillon 1:02:45 Yeah. Like, there's ayahuasca retreats are huge.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 They are, but they- they're-

Tim Dillon 1:02:50 And they're good.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 There's, it's, there's real good in them.

Tim Dillon 1:02:52 They're good.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 But there's also like a certain type of person who gravitates towards those things-

Tim Dillon 1:02:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 ... to sort of spiritualize their existence, and just by virtue of-

Tim Dillon 1:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 ... connecting yourself to the experience-

Tim Dillon 1:03:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 ... and having a few of those experiences, you have like a, like a credit score, like a spiritual credit score.

Tim Dillon 1:03:11 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 It's a very high spiritual credit score.

Tim Dillon 1:03:13 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 You know, and then you can be this guy who wears wooden beads. Right? (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:03:17 Nobody says they're into the dark arts. What I would like is somebody who goes, "I got into all that stuff-"

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Sam Trippoli.

Tim Dillon 1:03:21 "... but I'm a witch."

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:03:23 "I'm like a warlock. Like, I'm into the dark side of it, like I'm into like, I'm the other si-, I'm Voldemort." No one does that.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 Those are the guys who do the late night shift at Walmart.

Tim Dillon 1:03:32 Right, those are the guys at Chipotle-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Yeah, yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:03:33 ... chopping chicken.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Black fingernails.

Tim Dillon 1:03:35 Yeah. It's, it's weird to me. I always try to get into one, but it just sounds like junk.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:03:41 That's the problem, right? When you hear people talk about this, it sounds like junk, 'cause usually it's the most selfish person in the world and, will tell you about an ayahuasca retreat.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Well, that's the thing.

Tim Dillon 1:03:51 It's never like a good person.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Amazing things get-

Tim Dillon 1:03:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 ... co-opted all the time.

Tim Dillon 1:03:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 B- by, uh, people's personalities.

Tim Dillon 1:03:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Like, you know, I'm sure-

Tim Dillon 1:04:00 Like people will be like, "My shaman told me I shouldn't worry about being on The Tonight Show."

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:04:05 And you're like, "Is that what you're using the shaman for?"

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Exactly.

Tim Dillon 1:04:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Yeah. Well, it's just, it's a thing that connects you to some form of spirituality that's non-denominational. So it's like, just like being a Christian, it has the exact same feeling as being any, in any other religious group. And it is not just to disparage any religious group. I think there's a slot in your brain (clicks tongue) where the rules fit in, and I think that slot-

Tim Dillon 1:04:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 ... could be Islam, that that slot could be Mormonism, but there's a slot in your brain where the, and we took that slot out.

Tim Dillon 1:04:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 We took that piece out. We're like, "Hey, I've been reading this and, uh, I never heard of anybody coming back to life (laughs) -"

Tim Dillon 1:04:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 "... like after fucking three days."

Tim Dillon 1:04:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 "Maybe this is horse shit."

Tim Dillon 1:04:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 "Maybe he didn't make the fucking-"

Tim Dillon 1:04:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 "... whole Earth in six days."

Tim Dillon 1:04:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 "Maybe those things are really old." Like it's-

Tim Dillon 1:04:53 That's why I always liked Jerry Seinfeld 'cause he goes, "I like things."

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:04:56 Like he, he does this advert- this speech he did at, uh, the Clio, these advertising awards? He got one of them. And he just, he does this whole thing, it's so brilliant, and he goes, he goes, "I like advertising because I like lying." And he talks about-

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:05:09 He goes, "If things don't make you happy, you don't have the right things." And you, you hear it, it's so funny, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:05:14 And people would be like, "It's so disgusting." Of course it's, it's, you know, at the end of the day, people make you happy, love makes you happy, community, family, all that makes you happy. But when he talks about things making you happy, it's so funny and so him in the way he sells it. The way Jerry Seinfeld sells like, he goes, "There's nothing better than a pair of Levi's." Or, or, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:05:35 Or he goes, uh, uh, "A Volkswagen Beetle or a Bic pen." He's like, "If things don't make you happy, you don't have the right things." It's so funny and I feel like he does think a little bit like that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:05:46 'Cause that is a group of person too, where they're almost spiritually connected to inanimate objects.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:05:53 You know? Like, and, and he said, "This is all gonna be in my new book, Soulful Materialism." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:05:59 But it's just funny to me because it's like there are people you meet that, when you talk to them, you go, "Oh, yeah, like, this does mean a lot to you."

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 That's a very funny premise though. That's a very-

Tim Dillon 1:06:11 It's so funny.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 ... good Jerry Seinfeld premise.

Tim Dillon 1:06:12 It's the best thing I've, like I'm, I- I think his w-, you know, I'm not familiar with all of his comedy shows, brilliant. Obviously his comedy's brilliant, but that awards speech I saw was like this very unique different thing that he goes, he goes, he goes, "Yeah, these awards," he goes, he goes, "Here's what they really are." He goes, "I know this award means nothing." He goes, "And I know that because the last, uh, the last time we did this, you know, the last time they had this awards show, they left a bunch of them up on stage and you all just came up here and grabbed them." He goes, "You didn't earn them."

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:06:42 But he goes, "You just brought them home because they prop up your meaningless lives." It was the, it's the best thing I've seen from him, it was my just favorite thing, because it does seem like he's totally raw.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:06:54 And I feel like that is him.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:06:56 Like he is being real in that moment where he's basically like, "No, this is what it is."

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:02 "Yeah, here's the shiny thing."

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:04 He goes, "It doesn't matter that it doesn't work when I get it home, I want it now," he goes, "I want the thing on the commercial. I want it now." And there is something so deeply American about that. It is disturbing-

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:14 ... on some level, but there's also a level where you gotta just recognize how...... powerful that stuff is too.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:22 Like, we are one of the only generations of people that have experienced this level of prosperity.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:28 Which is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 And instant access to goods.

Tim Dillon 1:07:31 To everything.

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 You have a, a, an app on your phone, Amazon-

Tim Dillon 1:07:34 Anything you can get.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 ... and you can just buy whatever you want. You can buy crazy shit on Amazon, very expensive things on Amazon. You just have it sent to your house.

Tim Dillon 1:07:41 It's like my-

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Wee.

Tim Dillon 1:07:42 ... Boomer parents were, like, the first heavily propagandized generation with regard to advertising.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:51 That's why we all grew up eating shit, because, like, they believed corporations.

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:56 Corporations were like, "McDonald's is it. Your kids are gonna love it." And you're like, "All right, go to McDonald's." Now, my cousin's two kids have never had McDonald's. They're six and four. She goes, "They'll never..." She goes, "I can't control them forever, but for right now, they'll never have McDonald's." We grew up eating there-

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:08:16 ... because corporations were paramount. My father loves commercials as much as TV shows. He will... He used to call me, like the Budweiser frogs-

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:08:27 ... were his favorite thing in the world. Remember those three frogs-

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 I do remember those frogs.

Tim Dillon 1:08:31 ... on the lily pads?

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 I do remember them.

Tim Dillon 1:08:32 They would go, "Bud Weis-er." And my father loved them.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:08:39 To him, that was art. Like that w-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 (sighs)

Tim Dillon 1:08:40 The Boomers were like one of the first generations-

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 1:08:43 ... where the advertising was art. Like after 9/11, Budweiser did this commercial where all the Clydesdales took a knee and they said, "From one American." And they were doing it, and you're like, "Where was it?" And it... They're doing it in Jersey, and you're looking at where the Towers used to be, and it took you a minute to get it. And then they all take a knee and Budweiser said, "From one American icon to another." And all... And my father's like crying in the living room going, "This is the greatest thing I've seen."

Joe Rogan 1:09:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:09:09 The bodies were still, like smoldering and my fat... Yeah, here it is. (sad music) It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 How did they go from that to what they did?

Tim Dillon 1:09:25 (sighs) It's a big mistake.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 How did they go from that to this Dylan Mulvaney disaster?

Tim Dillon 1:09:28 Well, I think what they thought was gonna happen, right? 'Cause I think what happens is you get all you need is one nut. This is all you need in any company. Nobody's ever worked in a company... Like, the people that are c- curious about how this happened, a lot of them have never worked in a company where just one person has an inordinate amount of power, and one motherfucker can go in there and go, "No, this is the way it's gonna be." And usually that person doesn't get called out because usually the company's not Budweiser. And usually it's not gonna be, you know? But we all see, like one person in any organization can totally throw it on its head. And I think they had a marketing director who said, "We're gonna f- have a little fun. We're gonna be a little edgy. This is gonna be cool, and we're gonna get Dylan Mulvaney..." And I don't think what they had imagined was that was kind of this straw that broke the camel's back, 'cause I think people had felt like this, this new world was being shoved down their throat. And then they were looking at Budweiser, and they were going, "We have to push back against this, because we feel like all of this is happening a little too quickly, it's a little crazy, and we don't understand it." And they fought back. But I think it was probably just one or two people-

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 That is wild.

Tim Dillon 1:10:45 ... that probably came in there, and you know you're not paying attention. You go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, here's a budget, go work with influencers." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 But it was also the speech that she gave about wanting to do something to sort of upgrade the brand's image, that it was a very fratty-

Tim Dillon 1:11:00 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:01 ... can- like-

Tim Dillon 1:11:01 What's one bitch? Oh, one bitch has to go in there and go, "I don't..." She goes out to a bar one night, she sees a bunch of guys in fucking, you know, those pink salmon shorts and fucking loafers drinking Bud Light, and she goes, "I don't like this. I gotta change this." And it-

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 Isn't that amazing?

Tim Dillon 1:11:16 Yeah, it's one person.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 It's, it's the whole group of people that buy it.

Tim Dillon 1:11:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:22 Like imagine.

Tim Dillon 1:11:23 It's a shitty beer. It's not the best beer. I'm not a beer drinker. I don't drink alcohol now, but-

Joe Rogan 1:11:27 It's not the best beer.

Tim Dillon 1:11:28 It's not the best beer, right?

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 It's okay.

Tim Dillon 1:11:29 It's fine.

Joe Rogan 1:11:30 It's okay when it's cold.

Tim Dillon 1:11:31 It's not like a connoisseur's beer.

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 No.

Tim Dillon 1:11:34 No, this is a cooler beer.

Joe Rogan 1:11:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:11:36 This is a frat bro beer.

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:11:38 And they were like, "We're gonna now do the Dylan Mulvaney thing." Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't... I never want... I... People getting upset about it, I understand to a degree. I understand where it comes from. But I've never looked at corporations and went, "They're good." Uh, you know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:12:00 ... I never thought that they were beacons of truth.

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:12:03 So I never thought that, like, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter had to have my political view. Like, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:12:10 'Cause I'm like, "Oh, they're selling poison crap."

Joe Rogan 1:12:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:12:14 And yet fat people are going, "No, it's not butter. Yay."

Joe Rogan 1:12:18 You know how wild it is that they-

Tim Dillon 1:12:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:19 ... convinced people that u- that margarine was better for you-

Tim Dillon 1:12:23 Of course.

Joe Rogan 1:12:24 ... than butter?

Tim Dillon 1:12:25 Well, they, they came in and they said frozen yogurt's better than ice cream. And it's all, it's just chemicals, same thing, just chemicals, right?

Joe Rogan 1:12:30 Just sugar.

Tim Dillon 1:12:31 Margarine's, margarine's better than butter. This vegan stuff, these Impossible Burgers are better than burgers, and they're like fake, and they're loaded with sodium, and they're, you know, they have fake blood and stuff. But that's... I always viewed corporations like that. I always, we came from that generation where we-

Joe Rogan 1:12:45 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:12:45 ... looked at corporations and were like, "Oh, you're full of shit." My parents looked at corporations crying at the commercials going, "They care about us."

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:12:53 Budweiser cares. McDonald's cares. We all, they care about us.

Joe Rogan 1:12:58 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:12:59 You know? Like when I was a child actor, I said to my parents, they, they brought me in to some audition. I didn't get it, and I came out, and I went, "I didn't get it, but can we still go to McDonald's?" My dad used that as like, "Look what a good head he has on his shoulders. He can handle rejection, and he just wants to go to McDonald's." And it's like, no, that's