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LA city worker strike, airport chaos, and AI job anxiety
- TDTim Dillon
(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum roll) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)
- JRJoe Rogan
Hey, Tim.
- TDTim Dillon
Joe Rogan, thank you for having me.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's up, my brother? Always good to see you.
- TDTim Dillon
Good to be here.
- JRJoe Rogan
You escaped from LA before the massive strike.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, well there was a... I- I think it didn't affect flights as much as I thought, but it was a 11,000 city workers decided to strike, and a lot of those are air- but air traffic controllers are federal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- TDTim Dillon
But the baggage claim's all screwed up. They canceled a bunch of stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- TDTim Dillon
I don't know. It's 11,000 city workers. I don't know what their, what, you know. It's- I think it's a- a bunch of different groups of them that want stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, is there, like, specific demands? Like, is it pay increase, health care?
- TDTim Dillon
Maybe they want to stop getting killed by the homeless. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
Maybe it's very reasonable. Maybe it has nothing to do with money, and they're like, "We just want to stop being, like, people flinging their excrement at us while we're cleaning the park."
- JRJoe Rogan
Could be.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. I don't know what it is. I don't know what the demands are.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know-
- TDTim Dillon
Maybe they're scared they're gonna be replaced by AI, like the actors and writers.
- JRJoe Rogan
They might, they might be.
- TDTim Dillon
Who knows?
- 1:10 – 3:36
Hollywood’s AI fight: background actors, likeness rights, and the “unstoppable train”
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what the sketchiest thing that I saw about the whole actor-writer thing was that for background players when people work on a film, they wanted access to their image forever.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, they would take you and make a digital version of you.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, if you're, like, a background guy, instead of paying background people to hang around in some crowd scene-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they will now just fill it in with you. So, the same background people, which is, like, one of the nuttiest fucking, like, fringe theories of any catastrophe, is that you have these, these actors.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what do they call them? Catast-
- TDTim Dillon
Crisis actors.
- JRJoe Rogan
Crisis actors, right.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where these people are hired by the federal government.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're- they appear in, like, multiple different scenarios-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... where they say that something happened to them-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and the shooter entered into the building, and-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, they're striking next, the crisis actors.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
They're gonna go, "I am worried that my likeness will be used at Sandy Hook in perpetuity without my..." Yeah, it's weird. It's weird because it doesn't seem like there's a way to prevent it, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Prevent the digital use of your imagery? Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, everybody's, every business in the world is using AI, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
You know, these movie studios and, you know, streamers spent a lot of money investing in, uh, AI technology during the pandemic. They... A lot of in-house AI projects, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... you know, I imagine that they're gonna utilize that technology to some degree. I agree, though, that it's creepy, and it will eliminate a lot of jobs. And if there's a way to stop them, great, but is there?
- 3:36 – 5:04
AI music and superstar fandom: Post Malone, Taylor Swift, and what “live” means
- TDTim Dillon
... like, Drake songs that they're coming out with AI, sort of Eminem song that just came out with, they're good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
They're good.
- JRJoe Rogan
I was just having a conversation with Post Malone about it. 'Cause, you know, Post uses, like, autotune, but he writes all his own songs, you know? And he s- he performs all his own songs, and I think his fans want to know that's him singing a song. They would probably still enjoy a fake Post Malone song, but dude, when I saw him live last night. When you see these people singing along with him, it's something really powerful, man.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's- it's not just like a regular concert. It, they- they fucking love that dude.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, look at the Taylor Swift thing, which I feel-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
... very left out of because I'm the only person that has not seen it. And I don't, I don't get it. Like, she's clearly talented, and God bless, I just don't have that thing where I'm like-
- JRJoe Rogan
But you're not a girl. That's all it is.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, but the, but the dudes are there too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Dave Portnoy loves it.
- TDTim Dillon
They all, a lot of people love it. And I don't get it, and I just... And I don't begrudge anyone else getting it. It's just not-
- JRJoe Rogan
But maybe if you go to one live, you'll get it.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it's supposed to be a spectacular show.
- TDTim Dillon
S- s- s- sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, tons of dancers and visuals.
- TDTim Dillon
Great. Yeah, I just. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
That's phenomenal. I grew up listening to people like Tina Turner and Janis Joplin.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
And so, to me-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TDTim Dillon
... it's like Taylor Swift, but it's different. It's different.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
That's all I'm gonna say. I don't wanna be attacked. I don't want people following me. It's just, it's different.
- 5:04 – 7:32
Barbie, “not for you” entertainment, and the culture-war monetization loop
- JRJoe Rogan
It's- it's just, it's... You know what I mean? It's like, this is, like, the same thing about the Barbie movie.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe it's not for you.
- TDTim Dillon
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And if it's not for you, and you're-
- TDTim Dillon
That's okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
... going and giving this scathing review of-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... something that's clearly not for you.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look, I get it if that's your business. You're in the culture war business. You're in the critique business.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're- you're in the reaction video business.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I get it.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I get it. But just as, like, a rational person-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like, imagine being mad that people like Taylor Swift.
- TDTim Dillon
No, there's no anger. I would lo- I actually, like most cultural things, I wish I got it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Eh- eh- eh-
- TDTim Dillon
My life would be easier if I got, like, I would be more included. I would be able to participate in conversations easier.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
I- I wanna be in.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TDTim Dillon
All these things that people like that I can't get into, I want to be in.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Barbie movie is an interesting one.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because it is clearly a movie that's made for girls.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- 7:32 – 9:15
Woke consumer paranoia and conservative “witch hunts” after Bud Light
- TDTim Dillon
Well, there's I think there's an idea that, uh, you know, that everything that's out right now, there is political implications to everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everything.
- TDTim Dillon
And that's kind of exhausting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Right? It's tiring, right? Figuring out if your yogurt is woke.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Like going through your grocery, going, o- opening your refrigerator and going, "What's woke? Is the mustard woke?" It's, it's crazy, and I think people are a little sick of it, and I think it's a little... First of all, all the food's poison. Let's start there.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
That should make more sense. It should be the, the barbecue sauce is liquid sugar poison, not does it want trans people, you know, to fucking take their tits out at the White House. It's food, and it shouldn't, you know... But it's, it's a level of wild that, you know, I don't think people were prepared for. I think Bud Light made a little bit of a mess, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
They put Dylan Mulvaney, uh, out there, and then I think people, you know, were kind of like, "Hey, what's going on?" And then it just became a firestorm, and then like everything else, it's like contagion.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
So it spreads now. And now it's like, well, what is Chick-fil-A doing? Are they doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
And it's kind of, it's just, it's getting tiring.
- JRJoe Rogan
Conservatives are trying to find fake conservatives.
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like they're engaging in the same sort of behavioral that they-
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... accuse the liberals of doing of these liberal witch hunts.
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're doing it with conservatives. Like, you could never be woke enough, you could never be s- conservative enough. Some of them, like-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... want to call people closet cons- like closet liberals, or you know that term rhino.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Republican in name only. It's really-
- TDTim Dillon
Yes, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fa- the tri- the tribal war between-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... human beings that seemingly will always exist.
- 9:15 – 16:46
Ukraine, Iraq-war déjà vu, and incentives that keep conflicts rolling
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and has the same behavior that the thing that it hated decades earlier, like on the left, like this, this want for war in Ukraine, this trust-
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in the military industrial complex in Ukraine.
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like what happened to you guys?
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like you guys are a totally different thing. Like no one's discussing-
- TDTim Dillon
Every argument made against, rightly, the Iraq War-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
... and the Afghanistan War, like what's the plan?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
We're gonna be in a quagmire.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
You know, the money would be better used at home. All of those arguments were used, you know, ad nauseum by people on the left, and they were right. And now if you bring up any of those arguments about the Ukraine, you're called heartless.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird, man.
- TDTim Dillon
You're called a Putin apologist.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird.
- TDTim Dillon
So it's weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
And the best take on it was Trump.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
When he was doing the, what is her name? Kaitlan Collins? Is that what her name is? The journalist that was asking him, and she was kind of like trying to say in a gotcha way-
- TDTim Dillon
Right, who do you want to win?
- JRJoe Rogan
"Do you want, were you craned to win this war?" And he said, "I, I just want people to stop dying." And that-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is somehow controversial.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, and that's the-
- JRJoe Rogan
And because it's coming from him.
- TDTim Dillon
Right. Anything that he says, no matter how logical it is, people are going to, uh, attack.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%.
- TDTim Dillon
And, and that was a very logical statement, "I just want people to stop dying." By the way, that's the appropriate response to truly really every war out there.
- 16:46 – 20:45
Power, grift, and why politicians ‘steal’: insider trading and DC corruption logic
- TDTim Dillon
Which is why when I run to governor-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
... when I run for governor of California, which I should.
- JRJoe Rogan
You could probably win.
- TDTim Dillon
I actually thought about it, you know, maybe not seriously, but, you know, maybe... I said, "Why not? Why not?"
- JRJoe Rogan
You would really get a lot of votes.
- TDTim Dillon
There's something about it, because-
- JRJoe Rogan
If you were serious about it?
- TDTim Dillon
I'm, I might be serious about it, because, like, I, I... The only thing that's gonna be against me is the hours and hours I have of me talking.
- JRJoe Rogan
(yawns)
- TDTim Dillon
That's gonna be tough, because people are gonna be able to isolate-
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure.
- TDTim Dillon
... lots of things I've said and they've go... They're gonna go, "Hey, this is crazy."
- JRJoe Rogan
But don't you think-
- TDTim Dillon
And I also might get bored with the job in a week and quit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, that's the problem.
- TDTim Dillon
That's the problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the real problem. (laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
I might just, I might just book, like, a comedy club in-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Des Moines.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. It's nowhere good. And I might just leave and go, "This is kind of boring." 'Cause I don't think... You know, I don't know. Governing... Running seems great. Winning is great. Governing seems te- terrible.
- JRJoe Rogan
It doesn't seem like it's totally doable.
- TDTim Dillon
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems like whatever changes you make... First of all, imagine you're a guy or a gal or a non-binary person just becomes-
- TDTim Dillon
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the president. You have to run in and fix all of the chaos. You have to deal with everything involving foreign policy. You're responsible for everything involving infrastructure, transportation, anything financial. You're responsible for all-
- TDTim Dillon
It's tough.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the failures. You get very little credit for the success.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They'll, they'll just name the innovators in each field that, that did this and you got lucky.
- 20:45 – 28:31
DC as House of Cards: suspicious deaths, elite immunity, and conspiracy gravity
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause they kinda did, right? I don't know how they did it, but that's, this is something that, um... What's that woman's name who wrote that book? Uh, Donna...
- TDTim Dillon
Brazile?
- JRJoe Rogan
Donna Brazile, yeah. She talked about it, and she talked about being terrified after, uh, Seth Rich got murdered.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- TDTim Dillon
She was terrified for her own life?
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure. I mean-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So like, like peop- Like just random violence.
- TDTim Dillon
House of Cards.
- JRJoe Rogan
Not, not murder.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But random violence-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is common in DC.
- TDTim Dillon
That, that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like DC is a-
- TDTim Dillon
Right. But also, that probably wasn't...
- JRJoe Rogan
Probably wasn't random.
- TDTim Dillon
And that Hou- House of Cards, if you rewatch it, I re-watched it, it is probably pretty close to the way things happen. I mean, listen, they... Do they make it fun to watch? Absolutely. I guaran- When, but when everybody's being blackmailed and controlled and people disappear and die...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
That probably is close to the way it works.
- JRJoe Rogan
Probably real close.
- TDTim Dillon
Probably real close.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, super close. (laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
But then you think, how else could it work, right? Like, it's weird to envision... It's almost weirder to think of it not working like that, in a weird way. Not to be too cynical about it, but like, like th- Just imagining people showing up in like good faith debating each other and being like, "Well, I see your point," and, "Well, I have a point." Like, it feels like that's a total fantasy. That would be great, and I'd love that to happen. That feels more of a fantasy than House of Cards where they're like, "Oh, you don't wanna vote on that bill? Take a look at that envelope," and it's just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... some, you and some chick you're fucking-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... walking out of a restaurant. That seems to be more the way it happens.
- 28:31 – 44:07
Lizzo lawsuits, ‘body positivity’ backlash, and the health-vs-reality argument
- TDTim Dillon
That's what Lizzo should've done with those bitches.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah, the Lizzo sh- (laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
With those bitches who turned on her-
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- TDTim Dillon
... because sh- she was trying to help them. First of all, that- that's not even a chara-... Like, you don't get to be a fat backup dancer. That doesn't exist. It's not real. Lizzo made that category of person. She made it, and then they turned on her. That's crazy. She made it.
- JRJoe Rogan
What did she, what is she accused of?
- TDTim Dillon
Fat shaming them, making them rehearse, making them stand up. That's what their version of fat shaming is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TDTim Dillon
Making them stand up and walk onto the stage. Making them rehearse, taking them to a sex club in Amsterdam where, uh, the performers are shooting, uh, bananas out of their pussies, because this is what happens. And Lizzo's, like, forcing them to touch the nude performers and force one of them to eat a banana that came out of the vagina of a sex worker... Performer, dancer in the sex club. Lizzo makes the girl... She's like, "Eat the banana, eat the banana," and then the girl gets really angry at that. But supposedly, Lizzo was just, uh, abusing her power.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- TDTim Dillon
This is what they're all saying.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- TDTim Dillon
But I don't know if I buy that. I think it's bitter people, maybe, that are angry. 'Cause they all look like Lizzo.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- TDTim Dillon
This is what's gonna drive them nuts. They look exactly like her. And she's worth $40 million, and they're probably getting paid shit. So they're in the background every night dancing, and it ain't easy. It's fun to be on that TV show that she had, but then you have to do it every night. A- They're icing their joints.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
A-... You know, it's hard. They're in the trailer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- TDTim Dillon
It's fucking tough. Lizzo had to start getting on some of them going like, "You gotta tone it down. You know, it's becoming a problem, you know? The weight is becoming a problem." And then, then Lizzo's response was she's like, "I would never fire any of them because of their weight." It's like, what a weird statement. They're dancers. How fat can they get?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
... how fucking big can they get? If I wanted to be a dancer for Taylor Swift, and she came up to me and went, "You're too fat to do this," I'd go, "That makes sense."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
And I'd leave with some dignity. But these women, Lizzo has them on stage, she has them dancing, and then all of a sudden, you know, she's abusing or making them do weird shit. And they all are now suing her, and her streaming has slowed down big time. The ads-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- TDTim Dillon
You know how it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
It's a big, uh, cancellation.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, did she... Th- so, this show, were these girls dancers before they got on her show?
- TDTim Dillon
No, because you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or was it just girls?
- 44:07 – 54:07
Schools, sexuality, book bans, and de-transitioners: parenting in a trust-collapse era
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. Well, now it's important to like... Local, local stuff's important now, right? Like your family.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
You can't really rely on institutions. You can try to improve them, but the local stuff's important, like your family, your community, the values that people have, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
And the schools you send your kids to. Like, the, the context you provide your kids now. So when a tea- when they come home, they go, "Well, the teacher said this." And you go, "Yeah, yeah, but let me..." You can't outsource it anymore-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- TDTim Dillon
... and trust that your kids are gonna get, like, a good education. You have to get involved and go, "Okay, your teacher might have some points. But also, there's also a whole other world here." Like, I think... I don't think we could send kids to school and have them go, like, "No, your teacher's right about everything," which I never believed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
I never believed that somebody driving a Toyota Camry was correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you also have to think that those adults are with your children more than you are during the day.
- TDTim Dillon
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're there for hours and hours-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... with the undivided attention of your kids.
- TDTim Dillon
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And some of 'em are fucking loons.
- TDTim Dillon
Some of them are nuts.
- JRJoe Rogan
And some of them think that they have a job to do, to like remove the programming of the parents that they-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... don't agree with.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they w- could not agree with the parents and tell the kids that the parents are wrong and they're right. Like-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is a real creepy thing because-
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... I don't know who's right and who's wrong, which is... This is a made-up scenario, right? But just that someone would decide that they are right and the parents are wrong, and they wanna convince this child of something, whether it's, uh, they have political leanings-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... or whether it's their, their attitude on whatever the fuck it is.
- TDTim Dillon
Whatever it is, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whatever it is. That someone would get into your kid's head-
- 54:07 – 1:04:53
Religion, DMT, and spiritual ‘credit scores’: searching for meaning without hucksters
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's always interesting to, like, go, "Okay, how did you come to that?" Like when really brilliant people are very religious, I'm always interested.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm always like, "That's interesting."
- TDTim Dillon
And I, what's very interesting is, like, I, for me, my grandmother and grandfather were deeply religious. My grandmother was a liberal, my grandfather was a conservative. So politically, they were completely different, but they each went to mass every day and they believed deeply in, in the Catholic faith, right? And they had great lives, and it was a very important thing for both of them. But politically, they came out of com- from completely different ways. So he'd vote for Reagan, and she'd vote for, uh, whoever, right? Mondale.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. A, a divided household.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, no. It was they were different. My grand- my grandfather was my father's father, my grandmother was my mother's mother. But they got along, they loved me, they were great people. They were very religious. But my grandmother said, "I don't, I, for example, don't believe women that want abortions should have to go to a back alley." And my grandfather said, "I believe that life starts at conception. We should not have legal ab-" They was a big disagreement.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TDTim Dillon
But, like they bo- and to some people, that would've disqualified my grandmother. They would've been like, "Well, she's not a real Christian." But she was out teaching catechism-... helping people, volunteering, doing all this stuff that Jesus probably would've done, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TDTim Dillon
So, it was like they were completely different. But, yeah, it is interesting when you're deeply religious. I think it's, it's a lot of, like, you know, without religion, it is difficult, without some idea of why we're here and what we're doing, it is a, it's a tough go of it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... for a lot of people.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a, it's a tough go of it as a pure intellectual.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? And some of the smartest people I know are really freaked out about life.
- TDTim Dillon
Everything that's just chance and theories and going like, one guy gets in a car, another guy gets in a car, that guy makes it home, that guy doesn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Living with the reality of that every day is really tough.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
You know what I mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
It is.
- TDTim Dillon
So, I think what, you know, these systems that, you know, are very comforting, and it would be great if there was some version of it that was true. Like, if there was some omniscient being rewarding the good and punishing the bad-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... phenomenal.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think there's a lot of that-
- TDTim Dillon
But maybe there's a third way, which you talk about a lot, and that's from, like, the DMT and stuff like that. Maybe there's an, maybe we all just go to some peaceful energy field? Isn't that kind of the game?
- JRJoe Rogan
Who know, well, who knows what we are? Like-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
We think of our consciousness as our consciousness coming out of our mouth through our words.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
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Advertising, consumerism, and corporate trust: from Budweiser patriotism to culture-war branding
- TDTim Dillon
That's why I always liked Jerry Seinfeld 'cause he goes, "I like things."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Like he, he does this advert- this speech he did at, uh, the Clio, these advertising awards? He got one of them. And he just, he does this whole thing, it's so brilliant, and he goes, he goes, "I like advertising because I like lying." And he talks about-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
He goes, "If things don't make you happy, you don't have the right things." And you, you hear it, it's so funny, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
And people would be like, "It's so disgusting." Of course it's, it's, you know, at the end of the day, people make you happy, love makes you happy, community, family, all that makes you happy. But when he talks about things making you happy, it's so funny and so him in the way he sells it. The way Jerry Seinfeld sells like, he goes, "There's nothing better than a pair of Levi's." Or, or, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Or he goes, uh, uh, "A Volkswagen Beetle or a Bic pen." He's like, "If things don't make you happy, you don't have the right things." It's so funny and I feel like he does think a little bit like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
'Cause that is a group of person too, where they're almost spiritually connected to inanimate objects.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
You know? Like, and, and he said, "This is all gonna be in my new book, Soulful Materialism." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
But it's just funny to me because it's like there are people you meet that, when you talk to them, you go, "Oh, yeah, like, this does mean a lot to you."
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a very funny premise though. That's a very-
- TDTim Dillon
It's so funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
... good Jerry Seinfeld premise.
- TDTim Dillon
It's the best thing I've, like I'm, I- I think his w-, you know, I'm not familiar with all of his comedy shows, brilliant. Obviously his comedy's brilliant, but that awards speech I saw was like this very unique different thing that he goes, he goes, he goes, "Yeah, these awards," he goes, he goes, "Here's what they really are." He goes, "I know this award means nothing." He goes, "And I know that because the last, uh, the last time we did this, you know, the last time they had this awards show, they left a bunch of them up on stage and you all just came up here and grabbed them." He goes, "You didn't earn them."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
But he goes, "You just brought them home because they prop up your meaningless lives." It was the, it's the best thing I've seen from him, it was my just favorite thing, because it does seem like he's totally raw.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TDTim Dillon
And I feel like that is him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Like he is being real in that moment where he's basically like, "No, this is what it is."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
"Yeah, here's the shiny thing."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
He goes, "It doesn't matter that it doesn't work when I get it home, I want it now," he goes, "I want the thing on the commercial. I want it now." And there is something so deeply American about that. It is disturbing-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
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