Joe Rogan Experience #2027 - Oliver Anthony

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Genuine Crocs. (laughs) Do you ever find yourself with the desire to welcome the Crocs into your life?

Oliver Anthony 0:18 Yeah, I've got a ... Yeah, I've got some, some genuine RealTree Crocs-

Joe Rogan 0:21 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 0:21 ... for when I'm out (laughs) when I'm out in the sand, you know. So-

Joe Rogan 0:25 I know guys who use those as camp shoes. They like to walk around camp in them, 'cause you're wearing heavy boots in the mountains, all winter long.

Oliver Anthony 0:30 Yeah. It's ... Well, they're nice to k- ... Yeah, they're nice to s- kind of keep with you as a spare. You know, if you soak your boots or you're-

Joe Rogan 0:36 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 0:36 ... just trying to go in and out of the house real quick. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Brian Simpson now has Crocs and stage Crocs.

Oliver Anthony 0:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:44 So before (laughs) Brian Simpson goes on stage, he takes off his walk around Crocs and he puts on his pristine stage Crocs.

Oliver Anthony 0:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:53 It's hilarious. It's so funny. He used to do it with sneakers. He used to walk around with Crocs, then he would wear sneakers on stage. And then he went from Crocs to stage Crocs.

Oliver Anthony 1:02 Yeah. Well, he- maybe I'll look into that. I need to get some new boots.

Joe Rogan 1:04 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 1:04 My boots are like l- like these are my ... these are the ones I always wear, and, uh, they're l- th- we were walking through the airport yesterday, and they're, they're like literally one of the soles has fallen off. I'm like, "I gotta figure out something." So-

Joe Rogan 1:15 You gotta get them resoled, man. They're authentic.

Oliver Anthony 1:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17 They're beat up.

Oliver Anthony 1:18 These are my genuine- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 You earned them. You know? People pay for those.

Oliver Anthony 1:22 I've thought about it. I was joking with my buddy the other day. I had ... I went and changed my oil at his house, uh, before we drove to North Carolina, and, uh, (laughs) I left the empty jug of oi- or the dirty oil sitting in his garage, and I was, I was like, "I'll get it, whatever." He said, "No, man." He said, "I'm selling that on eBay." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:36 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 1:37 That's Oliver Anthony's authentic, uh, used motor oil out of his truck.

Joe Rogan 1:40 You could probably get 20 bucks for that. Yeah, there's a, a lot of people that definitely would, would buy that. But what I mean, people buy used clothes 'cause they want to wear clothes that look like, you know, they have character.

Oliver Anthony 1:53 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53 You know? Like it drives me crazy. When I buy peop- when I see people with, uh, pants that are just, are shredded all over the place, like your knees are exposed. Like-

Oliver Anthony 2:00 Yeah. Well, see, the, the pro tip I have for that is just go to Goodwill. You can, you can get real used clothes.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Yeah. For real used clothes.

Oliver Anthony 2:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05 But that's, that's, uh, extra like hipster authentic if you get ... well, if you go to a real used clothes store.

Oliver Anthony 2:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:12 What do they call those? Vintage. You go to a Vintage Club.

Oliver Anthony 2:14 Yeah, like that, that vintage look. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Oh, yeah. If you could buy some holy T-shirt that some dirty hippie wore to a Rolling Stones concert-

Oliver Anthony 2:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:20 ... in the 1970s. If you can get that now, that's worth a lot of money.

Oliver Anthony 2:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:25 You know? If like he died of a heroin overdose and he kept the fucking T-shirt at his mom's house-

Oliver Anthony 2:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:30 ... and she, she had to sell it, that's worth a lot of money.

Oliver Anthony 2:33 I've tried to hold onto things that I think I could sell down the road. Like I've still got the, um ... I've got the strings that I recorded Richmond with the Richmond on my guitar. I was gonna th- I almost threw them away. I was like, "Oh, hold on a second."

Joe Rogan 2:43 You could definitely sell those.

Oliver Anthony 2:44 In hard times, th- ... Yeah. I may have to-

Joe Rogan 2:45 Yeah. You could definitely sell those.

Oliver Anthony 2:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:47 Well, that would be like an honest sale. People can't say, "Oh, he's a sellout." (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 2:51 Yeah. Yeah. I'm just selling junk I have. I actually ... I'm considering selling my, my truck. Um, just if any... I don't know. I, I think we talked about this once before.

Joe Rogan 3:00 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 3:00 But if somebody w- ... It's, it's worthless to me. It's got 325,000 miles on it and a salvage title. And, uh, I still daily drive it, but I thought, "Man, if I could sell this and somebody pay 50 grand for it or whatever and send it towards a charity," like it would be ... it'd be pretty slick to do, you know.

Joe Rogan 3:14 It has a salvage title?

Oliver Anthony 3:16 It does, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:17 What happened? Did you buy it when it was already wrecked? (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 3:18 No. Um, (laughs) well ... Now I paid ... I ... It's a, it's a 2007 Suburban. I paid a couple grand for it years ago, and then, um, just here recently I had to have it towed. It broke down. And the rollback driver, I guess -- I don't know if, if he was under the influence or something or what -- but he unhooked all the chains off and then tilted the bed back.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Oh, no.

Oliver Anthony 3:37 So the whole truck rolled right off the back of the rollback. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:40 Oh, no.

Oliver Anthony 3:41 And, uh, it totaled the truck out. It bent a bunch of stuff under the drive shaft and the front of the frame and all. And, of course, I'm sitting there trying to figure out what to do with my truck and here comes all the police. And they're like, "Oh, is that really you? Let's get a ..." (laughs) "Sir, Sir, here I am."

Joe Rogan 3:53 Ah.

Oliver Anthony 3:53 "I'm on the phone with my insurance company," and then all these guys are coming up trying to take selfies with me and stuff. It's like-

Joe Rogan 3:58 That's hilarious.

Oliver Anthony 3:59 Like al- I guess this is the world I live in now, but, uh ...

Joe Rogan 4:01 So can the truck be fixed?

Oliver Anthony 4:04 It's drivable. Yeah, I'm driving it. It just ri- it rides kind of like a covered wagon now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:08 (blows raspberry)

Oliver Anthony 4:08 So, uh, it's ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:09 So it's just the bent frame?

Oliver Anthony 4:10 At some point I'm gonna have to upgrade.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Is the frame bent? Is the suspension bent?

Oliver Anthony 4:13 Yeah. Yeah. So the ... Yeah. The drive shaft in the back is bent, I think, is what's causing it to shake, but-

Joe Rogan 4:16 Oh. So you got like a wobble in your drive shaft?

Oliver Anthony 4:18 It j- it went straight.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Oh.

Oliver Anthony 4:18 Yeah. I mean, it went, it went Dukes of Hazzard style off-

Joe Rogan 4:21 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 4:21 ... the back of the truck. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:23 They t- that drive ... As an adult that show drives me nuts, watching those cars land like, "What are you doing to those cars?"

Oliver Anthony 4:29 Well, hey, this one can do it, so, uh ...

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah. Sort of.

Oliver Anthony 4:32 Maybe I'll donate it to Whistlin' Diesel and just let him kill it. I don't know. It'd be pretty slick, but ...

Joe Rogan 4:36 Well, you could do that or if someone is listening to this and they wanna do something cool and they've got the cheddar, buy it from you and then send it to Roadster Shop and have them put like a, like a badass suspension-

Oliver Anthony 4:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:50 ... in it. And, you know, make it li- a real sleeper.

Oliver Anthony 4:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:52 They can do shit like that.

Oliver Anthony 4:54 That'd be pretty slick.

Joe Rogan 4:54 'Cause you have to get all that replaced anyway. Why not replace it with like better stuff?

Oliver Anthony 4:58 It'd be cool for somebody to have

Oliver Anthony 5:00 it. It would have a cool story behind it, you know.

Joe Rogan 5:02 This company called Roadster Shop, they've been on my podcast before. Well, one of the things they do is they do like a sleeper series. I think they call it The Legend Series. Um, I don't ... I'm, I'm actually not sure what they call it. But what they do is they'll take an old car. So the outside looks like shit. The outside has patina and rust-

Oliver Anthony 5:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:19 ... and all that stuff. And then they just completely redo-

Oliver Anthony 5:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:22 ... everything underneath it with like a crazy engine, insane brakes, insane handling and suspension. But it still looks like an o- a n- you know, '72 P- GMC pickup truck.

Oliver Anthony 5:32 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:33 But underneath it, it's just a monster. (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 5:35 It's got all the, it's got all the modern amenities and ef- ... 'Cause new cars are so much more efficient. Like you don't realize when you, uh ...

Joe Rogan 5:42 So they do stuff like this w- like-

Narrator 5:45 That's gotta it.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Th- but they have different kinds of builds. No.

Narrator 5:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:50 So these are all just like the different ones that they did-

Narrator 5:53 All right.

Joe Rogan 5:53 ... Survivor series, that's what it is. The Survivor Se- well, so the, so I think the Survivor series, that's what it is, like they leave the outside. (clears throat)

Oliver Anthony 6:00 It's interesting to me that older vehicles had so much more character. Like I don't know if it's just that it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:05 It's people were doing drugs, bro.

Narrator 6:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:07 That's what it is. We- we- we- we nailed it with them. We sat down with them and they introduced me to all these people that were the designers back in GM, in the day.

Oliver Anthony 6:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:16 This guy was a freak. He was wearing like crazy red suits-

Oliver Anthony 6:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:19 ... and this crazy, uh, guy was probably definitely on acid. And these are the people that created these insane shapes. And then when the sweeping Psychedelics Drug Act of 1970 came along, they made everything a Schedule I drug.

Oliver Anthony 6:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:31 This-

Oliver Anthony 6:31 And that is when cars went downhill. What really-

Joe Rogan 6:33 It is when cars went downhill.

Oliver Anthony 6:33 ... was early '70s, yes.

Narrator 6:35 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:35 You can get a '71 Barracuda and it's still sick, but, uh, you get into like '72, '73, ugh.

Oliver Anthony 6:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Those cars look like shit. '75, they're garbage. '79, they're done. Everyone's on coke, everyone thinks everything they do is amazing.

Narrator 6:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:50 It's just, you get the movie Showgirls, you know.

Oliver Anthony 6:52 Everything, everything lost its art and it, it became focused more on algorithms of what's gonna sell and what's more efficient and what's easy, what's better to produce. And

Oliver Anthony 7:00 it's like-

Joe Rogan 7:00 Sort of, but back then, I don't even think they had data they were going on. They were going on past success. So if you go to like the 1980s, some of the worst movies that were ever made-

Oliver Anthony 7:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:08 ... like the cocaine years, tho- those, I really strongly feel like those people were going on reputations of sales. And, you know, the studio would put a lot of money behind someone who had a, a great reputation, and the, "This guy's fucking partying-

Oliver Anthony 7:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:22 ... and doing lines and writing crazy shit in these scripts." And some of them are good and some of them aren't so good, but they, there's, they're all kind of clunky.

Oliver Anthony 7:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:30 They're all kind of disconnected.

Oliver Anthony 7:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:32 That like a, a true masterpiece of a movie isn't. You know, like Taxi Driver, like you go back and watch Taxi Driver, that's a masterpiece of a movie. It's so connected, you're connected to all the action. It's like you're on the edge of your seat. It's w- it's w- it's wild. The acting's insane. Even Jodie Foster as a kid is insane in it. It's so good. But cocaine movies in the '80s? (laughs) Like they just su-

Oliver Anthony 7:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:58 They're just, they were nuts, man. They d- they didn't go on algorithms. I think they just went on what they thought people wanted. You know, they probably took polls, but who the fuck's answering polls? Polls are the worst way to get information.

Oliver Anthony 8:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:11 'Cause you're only getting information from people dumb enough to answer polls.

Oliver Anthony 8:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:14 Like that's such a small group of people. How many people answer polls when they call you up? How many people have, fucking people with a life, have time for a poll?

Oliver Anthony 8:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:24 You know? Do you think Jordan Peterson has ever answered a poll?

Oliver Anthony 8:27 Yeah, like, um, I always get those calls and immediately hang up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:30 Yeah. Just shut the fuck up.

Narrator 8:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:32 I am sorry I have to do this to you, buh-bye. "No, don't hang up."

Oliver Anthony 8:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:35 Some of them will beg, "Please."

Oliver Anthony 8:37 Yeah, it's, it's, um-

Joe Rogan 8:38 They can't get anybody to do it.

Oliver Anthony 8:39 Yeah, it's f- it's fascinating to see throughout history, times when people were able to really connect with other humans like on that, like whether it's through movie or film or cars or whatever, it's like maybe it was the psychedelics or whatever, I don't know. But, um, there was a huge disconnect, it seemed like after the '70s with all that. Things kind of went off hi- And it's interesting even now, like I see a lot of the new, a lot of the new movies coming out, they're all just sort

Oliver Anthony 9:00 of remakes of, they're just like a n- they're like a reconceptualization of something that's happened 15 years ago. There's not a lot of like new stuff out there for people to connect with. It's-

Joe Rogan 9:09 Yeah, Matt Damon did this conversation about why it's so much more difficult to make movies now there's no DVD sales anymore, and it was very interesting and it kind of makes sense. I think it's just, it's really hard to finance those fucking things.

Oliver Anthony 9:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:20 And d- do you want a guaranteed success? What's a guaranteed success? You need a superhero.

Oliver Anthony 9:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:25 People like superheroes. You know, and, uh, if your superhero's trans, even better. (laughs)

Narrator 9:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:30 If you could, if you could figure out a way to make every ethnicity inside the group-

Oliver Anthony 9:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:35 ... of superheroes that are there, perfect, now we're good.

Oliver Anthony 9:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Now we need CGI, we need aliens, explosions.

Oliver Anthony 9:40 Yeah, I think CGI-

Joe Rogan 9:42 Virtue.

Oliver Anthony 9:42 ... is a blessing and a curse because like S- I don't know, some of the best, some of the best film, it, it doesn't necessarily have the best stunts or the, you know, like-

Joe Rogan 9:50 Right.

Oliver Anthony 9:50 You can tell where some of it's fabricated, but that's okay because the, the whole, you know the whole thing's a fabrication going into it. It's just about like being able to believe the story within it. That's what's important, you know? Even like-

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 10:01 I'm not a huge movie guy and I guess I'm, um, it's, it's difficult for me to sit three hours and watch something straight. My mind's already long gone within the first 30 minutes doing something else. But Star Wars was really partial to me growing up, and I don't think they'll ever touch the original series, even though, yeah, like you can tell some of it, like it look, it, even with some of the like, the, the renovations they've done on the newer versions o- of it, like to make, to m- adding CGI into the old films, it's like just the story of the originals to me meant a lot more than the old, than the newer stuff just because of the... You, you don't believe it looking at it with your eyes as much, but you believe it more with your, with your mind like listening to what it has to tell you, you know?

Joe Rogan 10:39 I think the s- that Star Wars is like generational wealth. Like the original guy-

Oliver Anthony 10:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:46 ... who started the company was a bad motherfucker. That guy was out there grinding and he was selling soap out of the back of a wagon in 1890.

Oliver Anthony 10:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:55 But the folks who inherited the company-

Oliver Anthony 10:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:59 ... three, four, and five generations in, they're kind of flat.

Oliver Anthony 11:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:04 There's not, there's, it's different. You know?

Oliver Anthony 11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 When I watch Star Wars now it's like a bunch of stuff happening. It's still fun. They're still good, I enjoy them.

Oliver Anthony 11:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:12 But Star Wars one in the context of whatever year it was, what was it, '77 or something like that? Whatever this is.

Oliver Anthony 11:17 Hey, there you go.

Joe Rogan 11:18 ... just take a pop. What do you think it is? When was the first Star Wars-

Oliver Anthony 11:21 Um.

Joe Rogan 11:21 ... if you had to guess?

Oliver Anthony 11:22 Yeah, probably late '70s I'd say.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Yeah. I want to say like '77.

Oliver Anthony 11:25 In my unprofessional opinion.

Joe Rogan 11:26 Am I right, '77? Yay.

Oliver Anthony 11:28 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 11:28 Um, that movie, at that time, was fucking groundbreaking. It was amazing. Rick Baker did the special effects, and that was when I was a serious special effects nerd. Like, I wanted to do, when I was a little kid, I wanted to do special effects for the movies.

Oliver Anthony 11:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:43 Like, that's how I became a giant fan of Rick Baker. That's why we have that American Werewolf in London in the lobby.

Oliver Anthony 11:48 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 11:48 That's where that's from.

Oliver Anthony 11:49 Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Joe Rogan 11:49 It's this guy named Pat McGe- It's funny, because that's our second one. We have a s- another one that's in the pool hall. And the reason why is that Pat McGee, who is this amazing special effects guy, he

Joe Rogan 12:00 was also on the podcast back in the day, he made an American Werewolf in London that you could buy online. And I'm like, "That would be the sickest thing-

Oliver Anthony 12:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:08 ... for the studio ever." And then Rick Baker came and was a guest, and Rick Baker said, "The proportions are off." Like, the wolf, the arms weren't as long, it was, like, short, or it was like this and that. So Pat McGee listened, and he was like, "Shit, I gotta make a better one."

Oliver Anthony 12:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:23 And so he made an even better one. And the new one-

Oliver Anthony 12:25 Nice.

Joe Rogan 12:25 ... is all hair. It, there's no synthetic hair, so it's all, like, I think it's yak hair that they use. So it's, like, individual hairs-

Oliver Anthony 12:33 Wow.

Joe Rogan 12:33 ... are put in all over this wolf, and it looks fucking amazing.

Oliver Anthony 12:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:36 It's so sick.

Oliver Anthony 12:37 It does look... That's the, yeah, that's the first thing that catches your eye walking in here, I'd say, out of everything.

Joe Rogan 12:40 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 12:41 Just like, whoa.

Joe Rogan 12:41 That thing's sick.

Oliver Anthony 12:42 You're not gonna find one of those in any other places.

Joe Rogan 12:44 That was my w- 100% my favorite horror movie. That, I love that movie, 'cause it's funny, it's terrifying. It a- has to do with... The werewolf theme to me is so amazing, that you take some person who's, like, a good person. They're a friendly, nice guy-

Oliver Anthony 13:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:00 ... and you're like, "Hey, man, you have to lock yourself in a cage. You're gonna become a monster." And it's like, "What the fuck are you saying?"

Oliver Anthony 13:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:06 "It doesn't make any sense." And no one, and they never want to believe, and you know it's gonna happen. And in that one, that was the first time in, uh, one of those movies where you got to see, uh, the, like, the advancements of special effects. Like, what year was American Werewolf in London? Let's guess that. I want to say '82? I'ma say '82, '84? 81.

Narrator 13:29 '81.

Joe Rogan 13:29 '81.

Oliver Anthony 13:29 '81.

Joe Rogan 13:30 Um, I should've stuck with '82.

Oliver Anthony 13:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:32 But back, back then, when, when, you know, you had special effects, it was, like, kind of like, they didn't move that good. Like, they couldn't get their faces to move that good. But he had figured out a way to get your hands to grow, like, "Aah!"

Oliver Anthony 13:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:47 And he had to figure out a way to get things in his cheeks where his cheeks were bubbling.

Oliver Anthony 13:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:51 And his, and it's-

Oliver Anthony 13:52 Awesome.

Joe Rogan 13:52 ... all real. None of it is CGI. It's, and there's something about that uncanny valley when you're watching a CGI transformation. Your brain knows it's bullshit. For whatever reason, you're better off having it look fake, but be a real thing, like John Carpenter's The Thing, you're better off-

Oliver Anthony 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 ... with that than you are with CGI.

Oliver Anthony 14:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:14 For whatever reason, CGI just-

Oliver Anthony 14:16 I, yeah, I mean, I think we just have seen-

Joe Rogan 14:18 There it is.

Oliver Anthony 14:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:19 There it is.

Narrator 14:19 This is, uh, behind-the-scenes footage that I was wanting to show you.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Oh, wow.

Narrator 14:22 I thought it was pretty cool.

Oliver Anthony 14:22 Oh, that's cool.

Narrator 14:22 'Cause it still moves in a very interesting way.

Joe Rogan 14:25 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 14:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:25 Yeah, it's, but it, that's a physical thing moving. It's not a CGI. That does look exactly like the wolf in the lobby, doesn't it?

Narrator 14:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:33 So, but back then, they couldn't even get the thing to close its mouth. Look how sick that is.

Oliver Anthony 14:37 That's awesome.

Narrator 14:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:38 Imagine if you're in a Subway-

Narrator 14:39 That is so cool.

Joe Rogan 14:39 ... and you see that fucking thing turning the corner.

Oliver Anthony 14:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:43 Oh, my God. That scene was amazing, where the poor guy was stuck in the Subway, and he was running from it, and then you see it at the bottom of the escalator stairs. That's, that's, like, th- just those quick glimpses of a thing like that is so much more terrifying-

Oliver Anthony 14:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:59 ... than some

Joe Rogan 15:00 long CGI'd up monster killing someone scene. Like, the American Werewolf in London was just a masterpiece. Landis just nailed it. It was the perfect horror movie. And it was funny. It was like, there's funny moments in it.

Oliver Anthony 15:13 Yeah, that's cool when you can add, you can, you can get humor in there too. Yeah, that, that, uh, that kind of reminds me of my dog when I don't give him table scraps, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:20 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 15:20 He's got that terrible, that terrible face like that.

Joe Rogan 15:24 That thing was amazing.

Oliver Anthony 15:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:26 But i- it's just the difference between digital and real. And you're gonna have to deal with that soon. Because I guarantee you, there's gonna be some people that are making some CGI-

Oliver Anthony 15:34 Oh, there are.

Joe Rogan 15:34 ... AI-

Oliver Anthony 15:34 There already are.

Joe Rogan 15:36 ... art out there?

Oliver Anthony 15:36 Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 15:37 What is that? I'm sure there are.

Oliver Anthony 15:38 I, yeah, I haven't kept up with a lot just 'cause, um, you know, I'm doing... So a- all, anything social media related right now or anything, any internet presence I have right now is coming from me off the phone, just like before everything blew up. So I haven't invested the time to, like, look at everything circulating. But I've se- people, like, f- friends and family have sent me stuff. And some of it's pretty funny, but, uh, you know, they've got all these different AI remixes of the song with different voices, and, um, overlay different faces and all. And it's, it's funny to see where it's gonna go, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:08 That is funny. Yeah. You're gonna have to deal with that.

Oliver Anthony 16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:12 My daughter sent me some advertisement. She goes, "Did you do this advertisement?" I'm like, "Nope."

Oliver Anthony 16:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 "Nope, that's not really my voice." I mean, it is my voice, but the-

Oliver Anthony 16:18 Yeah, like, the day after, the day after things blew up, one of the towing companies had, had an ad on Facebook that had... It wa- it wasn't really me, but it was a red beard and, like, the side profile is sunglasses, looking out the window. I'm like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 16:30 How dare you?

Oliver Anthony 16:30 I guess I've made it anyway.

Joe Rogan 16:31 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 16:31 That's when I realized, like, people are already ripping things off.

Joe Rogan 16:34 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 16:34 And what's crazy is, like, every shirt that I've worn anywhere in public, there's, um... So there's a, there's a organization that I've, um... I'm not, like, officially r- related to, or in any way have done anything with. But it's a friend of a friend in the neighborhood, it's called Nets with Vets, and they take out veterans with PTSD and let 'em go deep sea fishing and... So he asked me last minute just to wear his shirt at one of the concerts. And do you know now there's like 1,500 listings online for counterfeit Nets with Vets shirts?

Joe Rogan 17:02 That's crazy.

Oliver Anthony 17:03 And so the organization reached out, like, "Hey, are you, like, making shirts ripping us off?"

Joe Rogan 17:07 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 17:07 And I was like, it's like, "It's not me." So it's like, but it's just, it's a weird-

Joe Rogan 17:10 Ugh.

Oliver Anthony 17:10 ... it's a weird thing. But yeah, I've ex- I've already experienced a lot of that stuff. Not so much on the AI side, but just, I don't know, the internet's just such a, a rowdy place, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:18 Oh, it's so rowdy.

Oliver Anthony 17:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:20 The world's a rowdy place. You know?

Oliver Anthony 17:22 It is. And maybe people bring, maybe pe- people bring their, um...... their best and their worst on the internet. Like, uh, I've- I've always tried to stay off social media as much as possible, but, um, I've learned very quickly that, like, Twitter and Facebook and stuff, like you- (laughs) you- you see comments and feedback from people, both overwhelmingly positive that maybe you wouldn't get in a personal conversation, but also, like, overwhelmingly negative too.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 17:45 You know?

Joe Rogan 17:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 17:46 People just use that as a vent that just, they just take whatever seething hatred they have inside of 'em, they're like, "Oh, I'm getting that guy with it," you know?

Joe Rogan 17:53 If you had a song just about love that resonated like that, it would be almost impossible to hate

Joe Rogan 18:00 you. But you have a song where you're talking about how people are fed up with shit, and it obviously resonated. I mean-

Oliver Anthony 18:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:09 ... I've seen songs go viral, but that's pretty bananas, son. (laughs) Your shit, your shit went to the moon right away.

Oliver Anthony 18:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:17 And, uh, God, I'm not sure who sent it to me. I have to find out who sent it to me 'cause it's one of those things where, like, once one person sent it to me, then it was like dozens of people were sending it to me.

Oliver Anthony 18:27 Yeah. It- it, um, it's funny 'cause originally that song wasn't in my- it wasn't really even in my top five. Like, it's not normally the type of song... I've written songs with similar messages, but as far as that sort of, like, I guess, anthem format is what people are calling it, it's like an anthem, like, that's not something I would normally write. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 18:47 But it's an unlikely anthem.

Oliver Anthony 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 You know? Insane times.

Oliver Anthony 18:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:51 It would be an unlikely anthem.

Oliver Anthony 18:53 Yeah, I had no idea that that song would react the way it did. Um...

Joe Rogan 18:56 Well, you're a smart guy, and it's representative of how a lot of people feel. And it's also, there's just something about the way certain people sing, and I don't know what it is 'cause I can't sing, but there's a, there's a tone, there's an authentic sound, and I know when they're faking it. And it's not that they're not faking it in a beautiful way, like, there's a lot of people I- uh, faking it's probably a bad term, but they're sounding perfect and they're singing a song.

Oliver Anthony 19:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:21 There's something missing. I don't know what it is.

Oliver Anthony 19:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:24 But some people, like Janis Joplin's, uh, like, one of my greatest examples. There's an, uh, Take A Little Piece of My Heart, there's a authenticity-

Oliver Anthony 19:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:33 ... in that voice that Goddamn, man. If that doesn't bring you to your knees-

Oliver Anthony 19:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:39 ... like, play that. Play that. We need to hear that. We got time.

Oliver Anthony 19:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:43 This fucking song, every ti-

Oliver Anthony 19:45 We always got, we got time.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Every time. (instrumental music plays) This is one of those songs that every time I hear it, it just takes me, in my mind, to what it must have been like to be alive in 1968 or whenever it was that this came out. And this hippie chick who's some- 27 years old-

Oliver Anthony 20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... has a, a voice from the heaven.

Narrator 20:09 I'll make you feel like you are my only man.

Joe Rogan 20:17 God damn, son.

Oliver Anthony 20:19 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 20:20 Listen to that.

Narrator 20:21 Didn't I, didn't I give you nearly everything that a man could possibly give?

Oliver Anthony 20:25 Ooh, turn up some volume.

Narrator 20:26 Honey, you know I did. And each time I tell myself that I, well, I think I've had enough. But what I'm gonna show you, baby, is that I wanna, wanna love you one time.

Oliver Anthony 20:36 Yeah, it's, uh, it's timeless too, like-

Narrator 20:41 Come on, come on, come on, come on and take it. Take another little piece of my heart now, baby.

Joe Rogan 20:50 She was a magical person.

Oliver Anthony 20:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:53 Magical person. It's a magical person.

Oliver Anthony 20:55 Yeah, well, she's really singing with everything in her, like, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:57 Everything.

Oliver Anthony 20:58 There's- it's in- yeah, it's,

Oliver Anthony 21:00 uh, I think, at least in my case, I think the one thing that's helped me too is that s- my singing isn't the best, but I've never had any, like, vocal lessons or anything. So the way I sing is just the way I sing. And so, like, I think even the same way with her and other people, it's like, it's maybe rough around the edges, it could be a little pitchy, or it's, you know, you're not using the right part of your face when you project and whatever. And so like on paper things aren't quite right, but to the- I guess to another human, it's like it sounds like- it sounds right 'cause it's- it's- it is- it is what it is, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:29 It's authentic.

Oliver Anthony 21:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Yeah. I don't think there's any right way to do anything. I mean, there's s- like you see it in everything. There's a person who violates the rules, and they're the best at it. (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 21:42 And then ev- and then the rules almost morph into whatever that is. Like, um-

Joe Rogan 21:46 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 21:46 ... it's funny like with music. Yeah, music has... Country in particular, but music in general has gotten way too wrapped up in, like, this algorithm of how many beats per minute it needs to have and how many verses and how they need to be layered. And it's like they've almost created this sort of, like, industry standard, uh, like, OSHA rule book of how music needs to be performed. And so, like, you can only do that so many thousands of times before people are like, "Okay, what else is there?"

Joe Rogan 22:11 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 22:11 You know?

Joe Rogan 22:11 Well, people like that too. That's the thing. There's a lot of damn people.

Oliver Anthony 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 There's a lot of people. The problem, I think, with a lot of people is they want you to like what they like. And if you don't like what they like, what you like sucks. (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 22:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:26 It's- it's funny like that, man. It's- we- we're so tribal. We- we are- we are tribal with our cellphones. You know, we're an Android or PC, you know, Android people have to stick together.

Oliver Anthony 22:38 Oh, we're all about brands, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:38 It's like we're so weird.

Oliver Anthony 22:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:40 We're so weird. But we're like that with our musical taste, we're- we're like that with our cultural sensitivities or- or- or c- cultural sensibilities rather. Like, the way we feel about l- life and how life should be. We want everybody to kind of think along the ways that we think.

Oliver Anthony 22:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:56 It's- it's very strange. And when a person like yourself gets labeled a right-wing, left-wing fanatic, like right out of the gate. (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 23:03 Yeah. Both in- both in, like, a week and a half. Then, yeah, at least I know I'm doing something right. Like, to me, um...

Joe Rogan 23:08 Yeah. They're lo- they're looking for your Biden campaign contributions now. They're going through your fucking taxes.

Oliver Anthony 23:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:14 It's- the whole thing is so bonkers, man. Like, can't they just accept that you made a great song and people enjoy it?

Oliver Anthony 23:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Like, why does it ha- wh- you know, why do people have to attack it?

Oliver Anthony 23:22 Well, I think it's just for whatever reason I've been- there's- I'm the subject matter the last couple weeks, and I- and, you know, in everyone's defense, I probably haven't-... it, I've waited for, for this opportunity, I guess, to really have a real conversation with somebody about whatever it is I am. So people are just trying to find who's this Oliver Anthony guy, and what is he, and where does he work, and who did he vote for, and what's his family like? And y'all, 'cause they want to sort of build this, um, image of whatever it is that the person behind the song represents, for better or for worse.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Right.

Oliver Anthony 23:53 The people who agree with it wanna, you know... Ev- I don't know. It's, it's really funny to watch on my end s- 'cause obviously I know

Oliver Anthony 24:00 what's true and what's not. And so, like, just even what I've skimmed through of people sending me, like, uh, (laughs) like the, like singing at the Super Bowl. Like, how many people have formed an opinion about whether or not I should be paid to sing at the Super Bowl? Like, I'm not singing at the Super Bowl.

Joe Rogan 24:13 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 24:13 That's just a, some- somebody made up. But you know, there's, there's been hundreds of hours of people's time wasted probably talking about all these little, like, things that don't even exist. It's just somebody made them up and put them on the internet and... So I'm just letting them ride. I think they're, I think it's, I think it's great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:27 It's wild.

Oliver Anthony 24:28 I just think it's great, like, that at least the last couple weeks I've been able to entertain everyone and get everyone's mind off, like, all the, all, all the other horrible stuff that's going on in the world right now. Like, uh-

Joe Rogan 24:38 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 24:38 ... at least everybody can have a good laugh, you know? So...

Joe Rogan 24:41 Well, I mean-

Oliver Anthony 24:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:43 ... it's, it's a subject of discussion. So, like, everybody is getting involved and, and then somehow or another it became cultural. And then there was, uh, Dwight from The Office.

Oliver Anthony 24:51 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 (laughs) Heu, he chipped in that if he-

Oliver Anthony 24:54 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 24:55 ... was gonna write a cultural anthem... What did he say? Something like, he wouldn't write about o- (laughs) ... overweight people on welfare. He would write about billionaires and their taxes.

Oliver Anthony 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:04 There is nothing funnier than millionaires talking shit about billionaires.

Oliver Anthony 25:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:09 There is nothing funny, funnier about millionaires pretending these billionaires are out of touch.

Oliver Anthony 25:14 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:16 (laughs) And then, you know, take, take Dwight from The Office down to West Virginia. You know, take him, take him through those coal mining countries. Take him through those places in Appalachia where people have extreme poverty.

Oliver Anthony 25:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:28 And pills have ravished those areas. Take him through there.

Oliver Anthony 25:32 And it's everywhere. Yeah, the sad thing is it's, it's everywhere now. It's not-

Joe Rogan 25:35 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 25:35 You know, it's funny. People right off the get-go... I guess because it was Radio WV that posted the original video, but, like, I've never once advertised myself as being necessarily from the mountains. My grandfather grew up in western part of Virginia in the mountains, but I'm, I'm from Farmville, which is technically Piedmont. But even in... Throughout rural Virginia that poverty is a big issue and drugs are a big issue. And, I mean, it's not just even in the rural areas. In... You go into downtown Richmond, or any downtown anywhere for that matter, it's like, it's almost like, um, yeah, these problems exist everywhere now that are... And I think, I mean, obviously they are because-

Joe Rogan 26:07 They exist everywhere.

Oliver Anthony 26:07 ... that's why the song resonated the way it did, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:10 They exist in other countries, yeah.

Oliver Anthony 26:11 Even in other... In other countries, yeah (clears throat) . Uh-

Joe Rogan 26:13 But people are tired of being fucked with. And it seems like people in power are always fucking with people. And it's a, I think it's a natural inclination that human beings have. And I think the founding fathers of this country recognized that when they set up our government. They set up our government to protect it against tyranny. And they did it by having all these different branches of government, and they're all coordinated, and there's a lot of fucking-

Oliver Anthony 26:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:33 ... lot of stuff that keeps people from just running it the way they want-

Oliver Anthony 26:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:37 ... to run it, like a king.

Oliver Anthony 26:38 Yeah. Well, and they kn- they... I mean, I'm certainly no, uh, I'm no professional historian, but my understanding is that the federal government was never intended to be the size that it is today. Like, it's just, um... We've al- we're top- we're very top-heavy in the way we're structured. You know, our federal government is enormous and out of control and almost impossible to manage. But then, like, our, our c- on our community

Oliver Anthony 27:00 level and in our state government, things are cr- especially local government, things are just very neglected and weak and disconnected. And so, like, that's why you see a- a lot of the problems... Like, we shouldn't have to rely on the federal government to fix things out in the street in small town America. Like, the communities and the local government should be the ones fixing that. And that's, that's the way I see things. Like, even before the, um... Even before our current form of government, I remember reading about, like, Articles of Confederation, and that was just a, an even smaller version of federal government. But it needed to have a little more structure than that. But even from day one, it seems like, uh, the federal government's never supposed to be the size that it's gotten to. Like, that's really...

Joe Rogan 27:38 That's a good argument if the country didn't get to the size that it got. The, the problem-

Oliver Anthony 27:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:44 ... is you can't have, like, 30 people running-

Oliver Anthony 27:47 Well, no you can't- (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 27:48 ... 300 billion people.

Oliver Anthony 27:48 But, but I think you could have more issues. So, like, I just, I fi- I don't-

Joe Rogan 27:52 300 million, though.

Oliver Anthony 27:52 I think it's almost impossible, um, it's almost impossible for states to be able to have the control to make the right decisions for the people in their areas when the federal government limits them in so many different ways. Um...

Joe Rogan 28:05 I don't know anything about this, so I'm gonna be talking out of my ass.

Oliver Anthony 28:08 (laughs) I am...

Joe Rogan 28:08 But I would imagine they're-

Oliver Anthony 28:08 Hey, look, I am too.

Joe Rogan 28:09 ... they're probably low on funding, too. There's probably a lot of issues, especially in places that are poor, because they, they rely on taxes from those people.

Oliver Anthony 28:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:16 It's, uh, it's all very complicated. But the idea of taxing the rich being the way to fix all this, no, you're just gonna give more money to the government, and they're not really good at doing stuff. You know? I mean, d- would it be nice if, uh, rich people donated to fixing streets and schools and stuff like that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it would be.

Oliver Anthony 28:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Good, good, good call. Also, fat people shouldn't be buying fu- fudge rounds with, uh, food stamps.

Oliver Anthony 28:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:40 Also, that's not good.

Oliver Anthony 28:41 Yeah. And that's, and that's, that's a funny, um...

Joe Rogan 28:44 But also...

Oliver Anthony 28:44 That's a conversation that sort of got blown multiple ways. And really, I, I like to let a song be left up to the interpretation of the listener. But even with that, it's like, yeah, I would love to write a song about cor- like... I, I always thought it was funny to s- like, when GM got bailed out of the recession

Oliver Anthony 29:00 after they made all these terrible decisions. Like, I never understood why we... I don't, I've ne- I've never understood corporate welfare either to much of an extent. So I do understand the people making that argument.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Well, the corporate welfare argument is you're gonna lose a shitload of jobs. You can preserve those jobs, give those people a loan, they build back up, then they repay the loan. That's what they did, though.

Oliver Anthony 29:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 So there's actually some benefit to that.

Oliver Anthony 29:20 Yeah. So yeah, there's-

Joe Rogan 29:20 It keeps American jobs, and it also keeps one of the most iconic American car manufacturers in business.

Oliver Anthony 29:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:26 It's good for everybody.

Oliver Anthony 29:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:28 I think.

Oliver Anthony 29:28 It's a good, it's, it's a good conversation to have. Like, um...

Joe Rogan 29:31 It is. Like, what gets bailed out and what doesn't.

Oliver Anthony 29:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:33 And why. Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 29:34 Yeah. But ultimately, yeah, I do see a lot of people that aren't taken care of, um-

Joe Rogan 29:39 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 29:40 And so it's-

Joe Rogan 29:40 You know the most used business that didn't get taken care of during the crash? The porn business.

Narrator 29:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:47 The porn business got wrecked. (laughs) They got wrecked because they used to rely on DVD sales.

Narrator 29:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:55 And then internet pirating came along and they lost everything. And meanwhile, these politicians are probably whacking off every day to them. And not one-

Oliver Anthony 30:02 That's a big industry even today, like-

Joe Rogan 30:04 Oh, for sure.

Oliver Anthony 30:04 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:05 For sure.

Oliver Anthony 30:06 Well, hey, for whatever they lost during the recession, they made it back during COVID 'cause that's my understanding everyone was doing that then, so...

Joe Rogan 30:12 I- I don't know how that works, like who's getting paid. I don't know how that works. I'm sure there's a lot of money in that business.

Oliver Anthony 30:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:17 There's obviously a lot of eyeballs in that business. I believe it's one third of internet traffic worldwide or something bonkers like that.

Oliver Anthony 30:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:25 Isn't it something like that?

Narrator 30:26 Right, but it should be more. I don't think-

Joe Rogan 30:28 Let's find out what it is.

Narrator 30:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:29 What's the percentage of... And everybody's like, "I don't know where it's coming from." All right, I-

Oliver Anthony 30:33 It's not me.

Joe Rogan 30:34 I've never even seen one of these films.

Oliver Anthony 30:37 That stuffs, that stuffs terrible for people. I, um, yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 30:40 It's terrible for some people.

Oliver Anthony 30:41 I gave that up-

Joe Rogan 30:42 I think it's like Adderall.

Oliver Anthony 30:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:43 Some people can handle it. (laughs)

Narrator 30:45 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 30:45 That's one thing, that is one thing I- I had to give up. Um, yeah, 'cause it's... I don't know, it does disconnect you from reality in many ways. Like, and I think a lot of the, a lot of the weird perversion we see like coming out, sort of like now at this point you read about... I mean, I even reference some of it in the song, of course. But you read about like a lot of the weird things that people are doing that maybe wouldn't have been accepted 100 years ago. I think people go down these rabbit holes with porn and they start off, it's, uh, (laughs) they start off with the video with the milkman and by the end of it, it's like, "Where did I end... " I don't know, people have to keep... It's almost like a drug. People have to-

Joe Rogan 31:18 Mm-hmm.

Oliver Anthony 31:18 ... keep chasing that thrill and it takes them down very destructive rabbit holes, you know, if you will, so.

Joe Rogan 31:23 It definitely can for some people.

Oliver Anthony 31:25 I- I have no issue with anybody watching it, but I do hate the, I hate to s- read about some of the things that it- it does to people. It effect- you know, ruins marriages and that kind of thing. It's like, I don't know, but...

Joe Rogan 31:35 I think a lot of things ruin people. I d- I think they also should be legal. Like-

Oliver Anthony 31:40 Sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:40 ... alcohol ruins people. I like the f- the fact that bars are legal. Shit, I own a bar. Alcohol is legal. I like it. It's good... It's not good for everybody though. Some people drink alcohol and they lose their fucking mind and it's not good for them, whether it's genetically or whatever it is.

Oliver Anthony 31:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:56 They can't have a drink. I like a drink.

Oliver Anthony 31:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:00 You know, and I- I support your right to do whatever you want. Like, uh, you know, I think if cocaine was legal, the same amount of people would probably do it and it would be real. You'd get pure cocaine. We'd probably be better. We'd probably have better music.

Narrator 32:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:17 (laughs) If you, you're getting this fentanyl mixed shit and you're out of your fucking head and you're dying of overdoses-

Oliver Anthony 32:21 Yeah, well, that's the problem, like, yeah, I mean, gosh, yeah. Look at when the government bans something, it only-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 32:25 ... makes it worse, so that's certainly not the answer. Um...

Joe Rogan 32:28 I'm not interested in Adderall. I'm interested in trying it once, but I'm not interested in like doing Adderall. I am interested. I should... I'm lying.

Narrator 32:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:35 I'm, I'm interested because everybody loves it, uh, but I'm scared of it.

Oliver Anthony 32:38 (laughs)

Narrator 32:38 The porn stats, you were right about 30%, but this is the only one I find to be odd.

Joe Rogan 32:44 In 2020, 16.5 years was the average age of first exposure to porn in the United States.

Narrator 32:49 16 and a half, that's like you're a sophomore, junior in high school.

Joe Rogan 32:51 That's because 90-year-old people are still alive and they do it based on them. "I first saw my girly movie when I was 20."

Narrator 32:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:59 "Frank had a real to real camera in the basement. We all got there... We had raincoats on and..." (laughs)

Narrator 33:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:10 That's what it is. It's like when you, uh, you factor in infant mortality to the average age that people died during the Roman era.

Oliver Anthony 33:17 So you-

Joe Rogan 33:17 That's what it is.

Oliver Anthony 33:18 ... so you expect it to be lower than 16 and a half?

Narrator 33:20 Oh, I mean-

Joe Rogan 33:20 Yeah, it should be.

Narrator 33:21 ... teenagers.

Oliver Anthony 33:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:22 Yeah, it should be.

Narrator 33:22 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 33:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:23 You give a kid a phone.

Oliver Anthony 33:24 Now, um-

Joe Rogan 33:25 Instantly they, they-

Oliver Anthony 33:25 I know that was one thing that was interesting to me in Virginia, they just recently changed the law where I think you have to enter your driver's license to watch porn now.

Joe Rogan 33:32 Hilarious.

Oliver Anthony 33:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:33 Now they know exactly who's watching porn.

Oliver Anthony 33:35 They wanna-

Joe Rogan 33:35 Well, that's good if you're watching some freak shit.

Narrator 33:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:38 You know, if you're into... You know, it's like, I don't know. You don't want to give the government the ability to spy on you.

Oliver Anthony 33:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:46 You just don't. And you don't want to give... 'Cause the government is just humans. We like to think of the government as being some all-powerful, all-moral, all-ethical entity that controls us in a perfect and very

Joe Rogan 34:00 robust and well-considered way. But that's not real.

Oliver Anthony 34:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:03 The reality is it's human beings like you and like me and like Jamie, people, people that get to dictate what other people can and can't do.

Oliver Anthony 34:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:12 And that's where shit gets weird.

Oliver Anthony 34:13 Yeah, and a lot, a lot of people, I think, go into government with good intentions, but it's like anything else, once you, I think, get in the mix, it's like things change and you have to, um, you have to go with the flow and sort of agree to, agree on things that maybe you don't, your heart doesn't necessarily agree with. And so, that's why you see politicians constantly changing narratives depending on like the political climate. And so, yeah, it's kind of created this big disconnect between people like you and I, and p- and people like you and I that are in government because they're not, they're not necessarily saying what they feel or what they think. They're like, "Let me keep my stripes just like everybody else's so I don't stand out," you know? Like it's...

Joe Rogan 34:48 Yes, there's a lot of that.

Narrator 34:50 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 34:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:50 There's a lot of-

Oliver Anthony 34:51 There's too much money tied up in politics, um, too much bribe and extortion and, and, and slap, pat-slap on the back deals and stuff that should never be allowed to happen, like, um... Yeah, that's what's really created a lot of the-

Joe Rogan 35:04 Well, there's a bunch-

Oliver Anthony 35:04 ... dishonesty within it.

Joe Rogan 35:05 There's a bunch of decisions that got made a long time ago that really fucked us. And one of them was when they let drug companies advertise on television. Th- that's just like... There's only two countries in the world that allow that.

Oliver Anthony 35:17 Really?

Joe Rogan 35:17 The United States and New Zealand. Yeah, and I think it was '97. Was it '97 when they allowed that?

Oliver Anthony 35:22 Yeah, well, it's f- it's funny because, yeah, you watch the commercial and then at the end, it's like-

Joe Rogan 35:26 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 35:26 ... "Side effects may..." It's the best thing in the world-

Narrator 35:28 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 35:28 ... to get to that last 20 seconds, you're like, "Oh, I don't know about that."

Joe Rogan 35:31 Yeah, "I know you're at a cookout and everything looks great, next thing you know your asshole is fucking spraying blood and you're suicidal." (laughs) "Yeah, like what?"

Oliver Anthony 35:40 Yeah. Yeah, like, I mean-

Narrator 35:40 And they say it all so fast, "This is how..." blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Oliver Anthony 35:43 Yeah.

Narrator 35:43 You know?

Oliver Anthony 35:44 Yeah, big farm, I guess, right?

Narrator 35:46 Suicidal thoughts.

Oliver Anthony 35:46 So...

Narrator 35:46 Suicidal ideation.

Joe Rogan 35:48 Rectal bleeding. Side effects, man.

Oliver Anthony 35:50 Yeah, well, I mean that's... Um, like fortunately at this point in my life, I haven't been on many medications, but I- I went on a run with SSRIs, and I can tell you for me, it's like, it's the last 20 seconds supplied more than the first two minutes of the commercial. Like-

Joe Rogan 36:03 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 36:04 ... I didn't find any benefit in that. I... And it's... Yeah, it's... I don't know, and I- I think there's alternatives to- to pharmacy medicine in a lot of cases, like maybe even if it's just habits, you know. Like it's okay to prescribe a medication to, um, to keep somebody on course or like... You know, for example, like I- I've got a- I've got a relative of mine, I won't call him out, but he- he won't change the way he eats at all, but he'll take whatever medications every day to keep his- his, uh, you know, keep the diabetes away and keep-

Joe Rogan 36:31 Right.

Oliver Anthony 36:31 ... his blood sugar- blood pressure low and all that.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 36:34 But it's like there should be more integration of like, "Hey, maybe this is like a plan of what you should do to go along with this medicine." Ideally, eventually get... It's like they don't want you to really get off the medicine, though. If anything, they want you to keep taking it, right? So like, yeah, it's weird. It is weird that it's almost advertised like it's a soda or- or a- or a car or something, you know.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Well, it's weird that, you know, people are so... we're so kind of like dependent on other people to take

Joe Rogan 37:00 care of us that we would rather go somewhere and get some medication than fix our life, than fix your lifestyle choices, and that's... And we've been programmed to sort of think that there's solutions for you out there. Go get those solutions. That's not a solution. Like internally, you need to reconsider, like what you're doing to your actual physical body. Like what are you doing to your physical body?

Oliver Anthony 37:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:23 Like are you- are you giving your physical body the exercise that it deserves to be robust and healthy? If you're not, you should. Are you eating food that's nutritious? If you're not, you should.

Oliver Anthony 37:32 Yeah. Well, and how do do-

Joe Rogan 37:33 You know, I- yeah.

Oliver Anthony 37:33 I mean, how do you do that in today's time anyway if you don't have a lot of money? Like-

Joe Rogan 37:37 Well, you can exercise for sure.

Oliver Anthony 37:37 ... nutritious food... Oh, ex- exercise, certainly, yeah, but like-

Joe Rogan 37:40 There's- there's a way to eat nutritious food on a budget, but you have to be diligent, you know. And the problem is fast food and food deserts, but if you have a supermarket, if there's a supermarket-

Oliver Anthony 37:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... where you live, then you can get food.

Oliver Anthony 37:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:52 And if the supermarket has food, you can get healthy food, and it's not that much more expensive. Even people that go on a carnivore diet. I know people that go on a carnivore diet on a budget, and they buy a... They go to Costco and got a- get a big, uh, tube of ground beef, and they freeze a lot of it, and they cook a bunch of it like in portions.

Oliver Anthony 38:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:08 You know, eggs, eggs aren't that expensive.

Oliver Anthony 38:09 Oh, no, yeah, and it's... And that's a lot better than the crap from the store, but even it's not... Like I mean, you read about... I mean, just in the part of the country I'm at, we've got, um, cl- really close family of ours that farms. The father and the son have both died from cancer, from what they've been sp- you know, from the commercial agriculture they've been in spraying and all like. And all that stuff ends up in the food, and you get... I've read about microplastics in the food, like you- you know.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Mm.

Oliver Anthony 38:32 You go and buy- you go and buy a tub of ground beef, like how much plastic was in the food that they... Of all the- all the bags of crap that they threw in there to feed the- feed the animals with. It's just... It is... Really, I think the only way to, in this time, in the area we're in, unless you're gonna go buy really expensive food out of like a- some fancy schmancy grocery store that I can't spell the name of, it's like you're really better off going to somebody local and buying it direct. Like buying it almost straight from the farmer. Um-

Joe Rogan 38:56 Well, essen- cer- certainly if you have an organic farm near you. Yeah, definitely.

Oliver Anthony 39:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:01 But yeah, pesticides and herbicides are a real deal. Atrazine, you know. Alex Jones famously said, the turn the frogs gay.

Oliver Anthony 39:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:07 It... They... But they are. It's... They're making them hermaphrodites. They're making them switch sexes. I mean, a- Atrazine is, uh, a very potent endocrine disruptor, and it's a fertilizer, you know.

Oliver Anthony 39:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:20 Or is it a pesticide? Pesticide. One of those. I think it's a pesticide.

Oliver Anthony 39:24 Something needs to be done about it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:26 But there's... You know, there's a lot of that shit that they spray on food. Some- something like 90-plus percent of people, um, tested have glyphosate in their blood.

Oliver Anthony 39:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:36 That's wild. I mean, that- that is an herbicide that they spray on stuff to- to keep gluten going.

Oliver Anthony 39:42 Yeah, so to me, it's like I... Yeah, I- you can definitely eat healthy, like, um, but even then like a lot of the food today isn't very healthy just because... inherently just because of the way it's grown, like-

Joe Rogan 39:52 Well, there's a lot that is. There's still a lot that is. You could certainly eat healthy.

Oliver Anthony 39:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:57 It's not easy, but neither is being sick. Being sick is not easy either, man.

Oliver Anthony 40:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 You know, the... just the amount of money you're- you're gonna lose by having a body that's d- defeating you every turn.

Oliver Anthony 40:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:09 You're always tired. You have no inspiration.

Oliver Anthony 40:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:11 You have no motivation. You can't get shit done, you know.

Oliver Anthony 40:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:14 It's one of the reasons why I can get a lot of shit done, y- being healthy.

Oliver Anthony 40:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:18 It makes a giant difference.

Oliver Anthony 40:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:19 You have so much more energy-

Oliver Anthony 40:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:21 ... than regular people who are just like sitting around all day, 'cause you don't demand anything of your body. If you don't demand anything of your body, it's like, "Good, we'll just fucking atrophy into a sack of bones and meat, and then your back's gonna hurt."

Oliver Anthony 40:31 Yeah, being complacent is- is like the worst thing for you. Um, phy- physic- physically testing yourself is good and then mentally testing yourself and wor- and- and spending your time working towards some sort of purpose. Like I think that's really what was, um... That's really what was killing me the last few years, was just... And I see this in friends and family and people I know, but, uh, even just from a mental standpoint, not spending your day working towards whatever purpose it is that you feel like you really need to accomplish deep down inside, I think that will really kill you over a period of time. Like, you know, you go work your 9:00 to 5:00 or whatever, you come home, and then you just start swiping, start wasting your- the rest of your evening.

Joe Rogan 41:10 Mm.

Oliver Anthony 41:10 Like that's your- that's your time to be productive, working towards whatever passion project or hobby or, like-

Joe Rogan 41:14 Sure, as long as you don't enjoy your 9:00 to 5:00.

Oliver Anthony 41:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:17 Some people actually enjoy their 9:00 to 5:00-

Oliver Anthony 41:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:19 ... and they wanna go play video games.

Oliver Anthony 41:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:20 I'm not trying to shame them folks. Maybe you should talk to your wife every now and again.

Oliver Anthony 41:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:23 But-

Oliver Anthony 41:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:24 ... if you want to play Diablo IV-

Oliver Anthony 41:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:26 ... at 3:00 in the morning, I support your right to do that.

Oliver Anthony 41:28 Yeah, if that's what you're hi... Yeah, if that's what... Yeah, and I don't even mean so much video games but just like that mindless scrolling that I s- that... like I've-

Joe Rogan 41:34 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 41:34 ... like I've found myself being into too. Um...

Joe Rogan 41:37 Bro, I've seen more people get hit by cars over the last like five months on Instagram. More people get shot. More people get mauled by animals. Instagram's wild. It is wild, the shit they're allowed-

Oliver Anthony 41:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:48 ... to show you.

Oliver Anthony 41:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:49 And like one of them was like, "It's okay. He's fine."... like, uh, like that, that was, like, in the, like, there was a big, like, letter, you know, a big print over the video of this guy getting hit by a truck. Like, that guy is not fine.

Oliver Anthony 42:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:02 There's not a ch- I'm not a medical expert-

Oliver Anthony 42:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:04 ... but when you get hit by a truck and launched into the windshield of an oncoming car, I guarantee you, you're not fine.

Oliver Anthony 42:10 No, I get it. Look, I've been that guy that sat ... I've wasted at least an hour sometimes in a row watching, like, Russian dash cam videos of, like, these logging trucks flying off the road and stuff. Like, I don't know, there's-

Joe Rogan 42:21 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 42:21 ... something like, that ex- it just gets your brain excited, you know? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah, it's not good for you.

Oliver Anthony 42:25 It's very addictive.

Joe Rogan 42:26 It's not good for you to see that many people die and that many people get bit by crocodiles. I've seen more people get bit-

Oliver Anthony 42:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:31 ... by crocodiles. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with my algorithm.

Oliver Anthony 42:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:34 But I've seen more people get bit by crocodiles over the last six months than I have in a long-ass time. But yeah, it's mostly a waste of time. But it's also fun. There's a lot of funny videos on there. It's just a matter of being disciplined. You just gotta know when you're scrolling too much. And the way I avoid that is by doing stuff, so there's a lot of stuff I do, you know, whether it's archery or playing pool. There's a lot of stuff that I do where I don't-

Oliver Anthony 42:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:55 ... there's no time ... you don't, you're not spending any time on that. And so, there's a, there's a complete different focus. Like, when I'm shooting, um, a bow, when I'm shooting at a target and I'm just practicing, my mind is empty. All I'm thinking about is the shot process.

Oliver Anthony 43:10 Hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 All I'm thinking about is whether or not the arrow broke clean-

Oliver Anthony 43:13 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 43:14 Did I move my shoulder a little? Why would, why did that one go three inches left? Like, what happened there? Was it, um, that my elbow, was my elbow up high? How was my follow-through? Okay, let's think about it.

Oliver Anthony 43:24 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:24 And let's do it again. So that's a c- like a mind-cleansing thing. Yoga classes like that.

Oliver Anthony 43:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:29 If you can get a ... find a good hot yoga class, man, when you're fucking standing there holding onto one foot and one foot is extended-

Oliver Anthony 43:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:37 ... and you're hobbling around and one leg, "Bitch, you ain't thinking about jack shit but what you're doing."

Oliver Anthony 43:40 Well, that does a good job of connecting you to your body, too.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Yes.

Oliver Anthony 43:43 Which is something maybe we, we're not very good at either. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:45 It's very good for people. Yoga is, like, my, one of my ... If I had one thing to recommend to someone who's never done any exercise before, please try yoga. Don't hurt yourself. Go slow, 'cause a lot of people do hurt themselves with yoga, believe it or not.

Oliver Anthony 43:56 (laughs) Oh yeah, I can't imagine me trying to do that.

Joe Rogan 43:58 One of my friends who's a doctor s-

Joe Rogan 44:00 said that yoga is, like, one of the main people that ... It's yoga and jujitsu, he said, people that come in to see him-

Oliver Anthony 44:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:06 ... for treatment.

Oliver Anthony 44:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:07 But jujitsu makes sense. It's literally a sport of trying to break bodies.

Oliver Anthony 44:10 But yeah, yoga you would think it would, you think it'd be the opposite, if anything, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Oh, yeah, I've pulled muscles in yoga. Yeah, you're, you're doing hard stuff. But hot yoga I think is a little better for that because it really does warm your body up, like, almost instantly. And then, like, if you do the Bikram series, I know that guy was a creep, but, i- if you do the series, which it's not even ... He ... I don't believe he even invented that series of, of poses. I think he just popularized it.

Oliver Anthony 44:31 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 44:31 And they're all, like, standard yoga poses. But that series is designed very well to get you really warmed up, so by the time you get into more complicated and challenging movements, your, your body's pretty warmed up.

Oliver Anthony 44:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:42 It's a good system. They're really ... It's fucking hard, man. A 90-minute hot yoga class at 105 degrees is a motherfucker.

Oliver Anthony 44:49 That sounds great for the ... Sounds like a great walk away from that, that feeling you get.

Joe Rogan 44:53 Oh, you feel so relaxed, man.

Oliver Anthony 44:54 Yeah, that's ... That is one thing I'm looking forward to now is, like, uh, you know, f- continuing to focus on mental health and that area. But also, like, I'm excited to get into better shape physically, and, um, just I ... Like, r- the only thing I've done in the last six months at all is running. Uh, we were planning on, um, (laughs) we were planning on trying to, trying to schedule a run in September that I think was, like, 10 miles or something. So this is a friend of mine that I've been running with, you know, uh, two or three days a week. And even that just ... Whatever's on your mind when you start, it's gone by the time you leave, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:25 Mm-hmm.

Oliver Anthony 45:25 It's just, it's something good about, like, getting everything connected again.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 45:28 But, but music is big for, for me on that too, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:31 For sure.

Oliver Anthony 45:31 That's ... Just getting your (clears throat) ... playing an instrument and singing like you just ... everything's, everything's all, all one again, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:39 Mm-hmm.

Oliver Anthony 45:39 It's very easy, especially ... And maybe because of social media and because of the way technolo- ... I don't know what it is that ca- ... I'm certainly no Dr. Phil, but it's like, the world we live in today, your mind is very easily disconnected from, like, your body physically. Like, it's f- you, you can get lost just worrying and thinking and doing and, you know? It's g- it's good to have something like that, I guess, to sp- y- have ... grounding's the word or whatever, I don't know. But it's good to have something like that to, like, get you back into reality again.

Joe Rogan 46:03 Yeah, I ... My belief is that all human beings need something creative. Whether that something creative is a game that you play that you get to, like, invent moves or think about things and strategies, or whether that game i- or whether that creativity expresses itself in music or in, in illustra- drawing, painting, something. I think people really get a great satisfaction out of making things and of creating things.

Oliver Anthony 46:27 Well, sure, and everyone's good at something. That's what's cra- ... Well, I'd say almost everyone's good at something.

Joe Rogan 46:31 I know some people that-

Oliver Anthony 46:32 I ... Well-

Joe Rogan 46:33 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 46:33 ... maybe they haven't figured out- Make good at shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:34 ... what it is, but you know? Like, you'd be ... Um, that's one thing I've enjoyed over the years with, like, w- what I've done in the past is meeting all these different people. Even if it's, like ... I ... You'd be surprised at how, how unique people are in what they're able to do and what, like ... I don't know, everyone seems like they have that one thing. Maybe they l- maybe even if it's something that they had as a kid that they lost along the way. But, like, people are, people are really good at shit, and sometimes you underestimate people are ... and people don't spend the time they need to develop the craft it is they have, but ... It's also sometimes people don't find a thing early on in their life where they get into it, you know? So if they don't have a thing ever, it's very difficult for them to gravitate-

Oliver Anthony 47:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:12 ... towards a something. But that's why taking cla- ... That's like martial arts classes are great for that, because all of a sudden you're learning this new thing and it's exciting. Like, "Oh my God, it's Monday night. We're gonna go to jujitsu class."

Oliver Anthony 47:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:22 And you got your little white belt on and you're tying it and you're like, "Oh," and you're freaking out.

Oliver Anthony 47:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:26 But afterwards you feel like, "Wow, I really did something. I really challenged my fears. I really took, uh, like, a class and I'm learning some stuff and I'm doing it with other people that are learning and I'm making new friends." Like, there's, there's something really cool about that. And that's also a thing that people need that they don't have, is, like, a real community, you know? Like, feeling of community, you know? L- like, one of the nice things about comedians is that we all work together, so there's, like, this feel-

Oliver Anthony 47:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:49 ... this real feeling of community. We go on the road together. We travel to different countries together. Like, all the guys that I go on the road with, we're friends. Like, we hang, we laugh, we're just ... We're having drinks and having dinners places and just everywhere you go, you're with family.

Oliver Anthony 48:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:03 It's beautiful. It's beautiful in that way. And if you don't have that, man, if you don't have a thing that you really, like, where you're really, like, connected to like-minded people, it sucks. It's not fun.

Oliver Anthony 48:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:14 You know? If, like, m- maybe the friends that you have are all fucked up and they're going in the wrong direction, try to pull you with them.

Oliver Anthony 48:20 Right, oh yeah, 'cause that, that happens.

Joe Rogan 48:22 And maybe your job sucks.

Oliver Anthony 48:22 Like, you have to be careful who you keep-

Joe Rogan 48:23 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 48:23 ... in your social circle 'cause you'll end up just like them, you know?

Joe Rogan 48:26 Well, you have to be careful of energy vampires. There's people that are energy vampires and they'll steal from you.They really will. They'll steal from you.

Oliver Anthony 48:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:34 They'll ste- they, they don't wanna do the work, but they want you to do the work for them. Like, they want you to be involved in everything that they're doing even though they're not making any changes and they wanna drag you in-

Oliver Anthony 48:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:45 ... and they want it to be the focus of all the attention. And, and you really find out (sighs) after a while that if you're around positive people, then all of a sudden you're uplifted and you have all this energy.

Oliver Anthony 48:56 Yeah, and it's funny how that works. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Ugh. Ugh.

Oliver Anthony 48:58 Yeah, it's interest- all that stuff kind of goes on behind the scenes and you don't really think about it. Yeah, I, uh, one thing that really benefited me ear- like even in my early 20s on, a lot of my friends seemed to be older. Um, one of my best friends, he's in his, he's probably f- I'm 31, he's probably in his mid-40s. Um, and then everyone above them's like... My, my best drinking buddy for years, he's like 65, 66. I love hanging out with older people though because they're just, they're a lot wiser and they're, they-

Joe Rogan 49:26 Some of them.

Oliver Anthony 49:26 Well, it, well you have to care-

Joe Rogan 49:27 This old dummies?

Oliver Anthony 49:27 I mean, you have to choose (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:29 This of old dummy. Bro.

Oliver Anthony 49:30 Well, I'm a dummy too, so it's okay if I'm hanging out with dummies. But yeah, I like hanging out with older people. Like, they just... And I, you hear, you... It reconnects you back to like... I don't know, th- they, they've just experienced so much more than you ever could in that extra 20 years or whatever, 10 years. It's like those are the kind of people you wanna surround yourself with are people that are gonna, that are, that are more experienced than you, more wise, people that you can aim toward being.

Joe Rogan 49:54 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 49:54 Certainly not people that, that are immature or on a bad streak or... Even like now like, I'm trying,

Oliver Anthony 50:00 I'm cutting out the drinking, like I said, I haven't gotten high, um, in almost, I guess almost two months now, a month and a half or two months.

Joe Rogan 50:06 That was your problem, huh, was the weed?

Oliver Anthony 50:08 Yeah. It was a, it, well... The problem for me was, um, well, I knew that I needed to do this. Like, I knew I needed to... I, I procrastinated with music a long time. I mean, I'm 31. I've been playing guitar and singing on and off since I was a kid. Like, my, my grandma was in a band years ago and so like little... I remember as a little kid what got me interested in all of it was, um, going... You know, Dukes of Hazzard when I was a kid, I was like five, and I used to sit with my grandma and we'd sit and watch Dukes of Hazzard and watch Waylon Jennings pick that guitar. Of course, I had no idea who Waylon Jennings was but that just like, I just fell in love with that. And, uh, so grew up listening to like that '70s country and she loved all the old stuff like the '50s and '60s, and, um, even in the '70s even, you know, Janis and all that. And so like she really introduced me a lot into music when I was a little kid and so like I just kind of held onto it but never, never pursued it the way I should. And then I'd play at a bonfire party or I'd play at whatever, it's a friend's house and everybody's like, "Man, you gotta do something with this. You're, you know, you don't wanna waste this talent you've got," and whatever. And that would almost make me feel even shittier because I'm like, "Oh man, I suck. Like I'm such a piece of crap for not doing something with this." And so yeah, like when I was outside of work it's like I would just, I would just... I'd drink, I'd get just absolutely stoned and I would just sit around and try to think about anything but what it was that I really needed to be doing which was like... And so, and it, it's kind of like funny but that's ended up what kind of sparked me into like writing all these songs and doing all this stuff 'cause it's like I, I don't know, just like with you probably with some, what you do, jujitsu or whatever, it's like for me songwriting is... It gets my head, like you said, getting your head clear, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:44 Mm-hmm.

Oliver Anthony 51:44 'Cause that's all you can f- and I... Songwriting is interesting for different people but I've, now that I've been in the... I guess (laughs) now that I've been in the industry for two weeks and I've talked to like-

Joe Rogan 51:53 (laughs) Now that you've been in the industry, you conquered it.

Oliver Anthony 51:55 Now that I'm an industry expert, it's like some of the other musicians I've talked to like the people I've looked up to over the years, they experience this too, but certain people when you songwrite, it's a very, um, it's a, it's dramatic. Like, um-

Joe Rogan 52:08 Do you write all your own songs?

Oliver Anthony 52:09 Yeah. But it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 52:10 Have you been accused of not writing your own songs?

Oliver Anthony 52:13 Very early on, yeah, because since my sta- I guess it's not even my stage name, it's Oliver Anthony Music and so it's supposed to represent music from, you know, Oliver Anthony Music is my, my grandfather and so he grew up in the 30s in the mountains and used to tell all these wild stories about how life was back then. But the music's just sort of a characterization of like that period in time and those people, you know. And that's... So yeah, when, when-

Joe Rogan 52:36 So your real name is not Oliver?

Oliver Anthony 52:37 Chri- yeah, Christopher An- Christopher Anthony Luntzer is my real legal name and so that's what's on like, like if you look up the songwriting-

Joe Rogan 52:43 Why did you decide to sing as Oliver Anthony just in-

Oliver Anthony 52:46 Um, well, like I said I have it, I just had the, the YouTube channel listed as Oliver Anthony Music, um, just because like that's sort of, that's sort of the, the demeanor or the, like I said, the character I was rep- like that older

Oliver Anthony 53:00 Virginia style music.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Mm-hmm.

Oliver Anthony 53:01 Like, if you, if you look, if you go on YouTube and you look up that type of music from back then like those old recordings of people like that's, that's what I've... I just love that type of stuff, you know.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Do you think you're gonna keep that name?

Oliver Anthony 53:13 Yeah, I mean, I mean a lot of people still call me Chris. And I've posted on social media call me what... I mean, I've been called a lot worse than either of those things but-

Joe Rogan 53:20 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 53:20 Yeah, it'll s- it'll stay Oliver Anthony Music indefinitely, yeah. It's a s- it's a f- it's a special name and it's a special name to me not only because it was my grandfather's name but it's, it's sort of like to me it reminds me of how much... how different things were back then but, uh, he was born Oliver Anthony but everybody called him Antony growing up and so like, he always thought his name was Anthony Oliver and, uh, last name Ingall. And so like it wasn't until he was in his 60s and going to re- retire he realized that his name didn't match his birth certificate so he had to actually change his legal name when he was in his 60s but it's because back then-

Joe Rogan 53:53 He thought his name was Anthony Oliver-

Oliver Anthony 53:55 Yeah, and so-

Joe Rogan 53:55 ... his whole life?

Oliver Anthony 53:56 But his legal name was Oli- and so it's... Yeah, and his, his parents named him... So it's just like... But all, but all the paperwork back then was so scattered up because l- a lot of people were illiterate and of course documents weren't tracked as well as they are now, you know.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Oh, I see.

Oliver Anthony 54:09 And so it's like-

Joe Rogan 54:10 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 54:10 There's people in the family that have a different spelling and it's the same last name but the, a few letters are different and stuff. It's just kind of cool like, uh, but he just, he just thought that was crazy he had to change his name when he was 65 so he could draw his retirement and all 'cause his Social Security-

Joe Rogan 54:23 That's crazy.

Oliver Anthony 54:23 ... and everything was under a totally different name but-

Joe Rogan 54:25 That's crazy.

Oliver Anthony 54:25 So it's respec- it's just special to me. Um, he was... He's like the only other one in the family like me. Most of our family's like average height, six feet and under, but he and I were both, you know, 6'6", red-headed, left-handed. Like I just, I don't know, in a lot of ways I just, uh-... I, I thought it was special to kind of respect him. He passed away in 2019 and that's kind of when I, I guess that's when I first kind of adapted the name for the music. I didn't really get serious with anything until probably-

Joe Rogan 54:50 Two weeks ago? (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 54:51 (laughs) Yeah, until a couple weeks ago. Probably until, I think, I uploaded the first original, like, like, when I was, when I decided I was in it to win it and I really wanted to make this thing happen, um, it was probably about, yeah, probably May of last year when I uploaded Ain't Got A Dollar. Or it might have been Rich Man's Gold was the first one I uploaded on YouTube, but that's when I decided like, "All right. I'm, I'm doing this thing." But, yeah, th-

Joe Rogan 55:12 So y- you were just smoking too much weed, drinking too much, and just procrastinating?

Oliver Anthony 55:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:17 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 55:17 Yeah, and so that ... And you know, like, anxiety is, uh, is definitely something that's underestimated. You know, I used to laugh about, or not laugh about, but I used to just not really understand when people talked about mental health and anxiety 'cause everyone gets stressed out over stuff, and so you think of anxiety as being just, like, this normal phenomenon everyone deals with. But your, your mind can really put you in a dark place to where that thing, it just like, it just holds onto you like a-

Joe Rogan 55:42 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 55:42 ... you know? And it, it just-

Joe Rogan 55:43 Yeah.

Oliver Anthony 55:44 ... um, makes it very difficult for you to do anything. And so, yeah, I spent at least two years of my life almost constantly just having what felt like just a knot right here just, just wrenching at me, you know?

Joe Rogan 55:52 Well, that's especially true for people that are pursuing a nontraditional life, you know, with ... that doesn't have any guarantees.

Joe Rogan 56:00 It's, uh, it's a wild life to try to be an entertainer. Like, to ju- just to choose to try to make it in this wild world of people that are singing and making songs.

Oliver Anthony 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 And you want people to pay attention to you?

Oliver Anthony 56:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:14 Like, do you know how many people are singing?

Oliver Anthony 56:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:16 How many people can sing? How many people-

Oliver Anthony 56:19 A lot.

Joe Rogan 56:19 ... are recording things? And now with YouTube and, and the like, how many people are putting stuff up on the internet-

Oliver Anthony 56:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:24 ... for other people to enjoy? It's a lot.

Oliver Anthony 56:26 Well, I-

Joe Rogan 56:26 The idea that you're gonna stand out, so that you're filled with anxiety just because of that, because you're ... the future's uncertain.

Oliver Anthony 56:32 Yeah, I think for me, a lot of it, a lot of the anxiety came from me just feeling like I was running out of time. Like, I knew that, um, I knew that I had an ability to pursue this and kind of take this adventure on, and I just had kept, like I said, for 10 years or more, had just k- I'd pick the thing up for a few months and then I'd put it down, uh, just always doubting myself, you know? Uh-

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah. Well, I think it's, uh ... I mean, the universe, in some weird way, always sort of finds ... Like, for people that becomes very successful, especially like yourself, it's almost like that's the best way to do it. Like, I've never met anybody where I was like, "Your way to do it is the wrong way to do it." Like, I ... Everybody that I meet that becomes successful, especially like overnight people, it's like, "Oh, I see all these fa-" Well, that's why you're good, that's why you're good.

Oliver Anthony 57:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:26 You're good because you had a real life, like a real tortured-

Oliver Anthony 57:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:29 ... regular life, like regular people.

Oliver Anthony 57:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:31 If you're in the fucking Mickey Mouse Club when you're 14-

Oliver Anthony 57:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:35 ... and then all of a sudden (laughs) you, you're famous for being p- I mean, I love Miley Cyrus to death, and she's-

Oliver Anthony 57:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:40 ... fucking insanely talented. And I heard her new album is her best ever, everybody's raving about it, but I feel bad for people that become famous when they're young. I just feel like that's a b- heavy burden for you to have to carry and-

Oliver Anthony 57:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:53 ... you didn't ask for it. You can't ask for it, you don't know what it is. It's like d- you d- you know, it's like getting a face tattoo when you're five. Like-

Oliver Anthony 58:01 Yeah, well, that's-

Joe Rogan 58:01 ... it's like, "I wanna get a heart tattooed on my forehead, let everybody know I'm full of love." Like, "Okay, Billy, let's take you to the tattoo parlor."

Oliver Anthony 58:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:08 You know? (laughs) Like, "I wanna be famous so everybody knows me."

Oliver Anthony 58:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 "Okay, Billy, let's get you in front of TV." It's-

Oliver Anthony 58:13 Yeah, and it's, it's tough 'cause, yeah, 'cause then, um, everyone's perception of everything's different anyway based off the way they were brought up. Like, you know, the way you and I look at something, we, we both look at something a certain way and it's, it's our way of looking at it, and to us that's reality, but everyone's perception is just different, just inherently, just, uh, based off the way we were raised and maybe even our-

Joe Rogan 58:32 Mm-hmm.

Oliver Anthony 58:32 ... genetics and the way our things we've experienced or the way, the way our parents taught us things. And so, like, yeah, it's, it's ... (sighs) I don't ... It is tough if you get thrown into that at such an early age 'cause this is just such a ... I, I feel bad for anybody that gets thrown into all this anyway, like, uh, the things I've seen and heard and witnessed and-

Joe Rogan 58:49 Just in a couple of weeks.

Oliver Anthony 58:50 ... "You need to do this and you gotta do that," and-

Joe Rogan 58:52 Yeah, but that's just-

Oliver Anthony 58:53 ... it's like this-

Joe Rogan 58:53 ... people pulling at your strings.

Oliver Anthony 58:53 ... this kind of crazy sense of, this almost crazy sense of urgency everyone's sort of thrown on me to do something with this, and it's like I don't ... Um, yeah, at the end of the day I've gotta, I've gotta remember who I was, you know, a month ago and I've gotta make sure that I ... You know, and it's okay to evolve from that and change and, like, I don't wa- I don't wanna always be stuck being that guy, but I don't wanna, like, leave him behind either, you know? I don't wanna-

Joe Rogan 59:16 Listen, man. Just be yourself. You're gonna be fine. This is like this conversation that we had over the phone. I said, "Fuck all those urgent people."

Oliver Anthony 59:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:23 You have talent. You have talent. You don't need anything else but talent, talent and authenticity. You got both of those things. This urgency thing, what the fuck are they talking about? You, you literally had the number one song, like, instantly.

Oliver Anthony 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 Oh, you can't do that again? How the fuck do you know?

Oliver Anthony 59:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:40 You don't know jack shit. These people are crazy. They don't understand what's going on and they've, they don't understand what it's like to be famous. You are in a weird spot right now.

Oliver Anthony 59:47 Well, yeah, I think what's so weird about-

Joe Rogan 59:49 And what you need to do right now is just keep being you and don't let anybody control you and don't let anybody wrap ... And certainly don't let you, anybody put you on some crazy publicity campaign to try to capitalize on this-

Oliver Anthony 1:00:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 ... great moment and immediately get some large record machine behind you and mass produce.

Oliver Anthony 1:00:06 Well, that's ... Yeah, 'cause that really goes against the whole message that I wanted to get out in the first place, and so, yeah, what would it benefit me to sign a big deal or have some ... Like, I don't know, e- as busy as things get, I don't know that I'd ever let anybody even manage my social media and stuff. Like, that's just something that I'd like to have the w- the hand on, and then if, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 I, I do mine. I do all mine.

Oliver Anthony 1:00:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 I don't let anybody do my shit, that's ridiculous.

Oliver Anthony 1:00:28 Well, I think, like, just with your ... like we talked about earlier, your show in general, the reason people watch it isn't, you know ... You could, you could add more people in and have more, uh, have more special effects and lights and what e- you know, figuratively speaking, like, you could make, you could make this into something bigger than what it already is, but it would just, it would just take away. Like, sometimes the more you add, the more you take away. It's the, it's the fact that you have conversations with people that you're genuinely interested in, like ... We don't have enough real conversation any- anyway in the world. Like- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 We have very little.

Oliver Anthony 1:00:56 I, I had never had a Twitter account and, uh, so I, I made one a couple weeks ago to, like, start uploading. Everybody's, "Oh, you gotta get on X and upload all this stuff." And within, like, a week I'm like, "Okay, I get, I get it." Like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Yeah.I'm tapping out.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Yeah, I don't read any of my stuff on Twitter. I do post occasionally. You know, I, what I do like to do is repost things that I think are interesting. I do like that.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:17 Yeah. Well, thanks.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 You know? (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 1:01:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 1:01:20 I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Well, I, that's why Instagram, I put that up on.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:23 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Um-

Oliver Anthony 1:01:23 Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Yeah, but yeah.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 A lot of people liked it. I think e- on my account alone, it had more than... Let me, let me see, tell, I'll tell you how many views it had.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 I wanna say it's somewhere around 11 million views.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:36 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 I was explaining it to someone the other day. I went, I go, I was like, "Do you know how insane that is?"

Oliver Anthony 1:01:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Like that you could put something up that this guy-

Oliver Anthony 1:01:43 12.8

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 ... just made, 12.8 million views.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:45 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 That's bonkers, dude. That's bonkers. That's a lot of fucking human beings. That's a lot of human beings.

Oliver Anthony 1:01:52 Yeah, so I've had to ask myself like why that happened the way it did, and, um... And look, I'm not... (sighs) I have said this 100 times already, but like I'm no p- I'm certainly no preach... Like people have a- have s- made comments about like, "Oh, well, why does he, he reads scripture or whatever and talks about God, but then he does other things like..." Like I do have some foul language and I do sing some songs that I've written about whatever, you know, getting high and hanging out in the woods, but like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 (laughs)

Oliver Anthony 1:02:18 It's just what I am. Like I'm not here to say that I'm anybody better than anybody else, by any means. I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Well, didn't God invent the woods and weed?

Oliver Anthony 1:02:26 But... Yeah. (laughs) Well, there you go. But-

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 I don't believe anybody that tells you-

Oliver Anthony 1:02:28 I-

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 ... that God doesn't want you to have weed.

Oliver Anthony 1:02:30 I do wanna t- I do wanna use... If there's anything I'd like to capitalize on with my opportunity, it's just like, because for me, just being in the, the position that I've been in the last two years and the w- just the trash I've had, um, in my head, it's... I tell you, like, I don't care who you... And look, I'm, I haven't been in a church in 10 years and I'm not saying I'd ever go back into one again. I don't know about all that. But, uh, there's a lot of things in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes that make sense and are, are timeless to today. Like if people just could find e- if people could just have enough open-mindedness to just read a little bit of Proverbs and just see what it has to say, I think like it would make the world a better place. There's a lot of truth in those words. Um, they don't just talk about... It, it's, it's real life advice that, that, that I, that I work toward every day applying in my own life. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 So, uh, was there like a moment with you, 'cause I've read the legend story, but I wanted to ask you this in, live in person. Was there a moment when you had like a literal come to Jesus moment where you realized-

Oliver Anthony 1:03:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 ... you were at rock bottom?

Oliver Anthony 1:03:32 Yeah, I mean, um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 What was going on?

Oliver Anthony 1:03:35 Yeah. I was at a point where I was having, um ... Man, I don't even think I'd call it panic attacks. It was just like I was so... Everything was just so screwed up. I was getting like, um, I was getting chest pains and shooting pains all down into my l- Like I was having like almost cardiovascular symptoms that are just... I guess now