Joe Rogan Experience #2031 - Luis J. Gomez

1. 0:00 – 0:23

   Cold open: ‘Are we on?’ and the podcast hang vibe

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez0:12

      Are we on? Are we just on?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Are we on?

   6. NANarrator0:15

      Yeah.

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez0:15

      Sweet. All right. I didn't know if we were talking on the podcast or just being dudes. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Yeah. (laughs) That's the beautiful thing about podcasts ...

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez0:21

      It really is, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... is kind of just hanging.

2. 0:23 – 1:47

   Luis’s NYC weed busts, being singled out, and how legalization flipped the script

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez0:23

      Yeah. Um, but yeah, I- I- I smoked weed since I was like 17, um, and it was illegal. And you just-

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Yeah.

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez0:31

      All these like formative years spending my life being afraid that a cop was going to come and arrest me. And I've been arrested for smoking weed like 10 times in New York City.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:40

      Wow.

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez0:41

      Because I'm an idiot and I just, you know-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:42

      Right.

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez0:43

      Uh, and it's just a game of numbers. I would just- we would roll a blunt in the park, you smoke it, and every time for some reason the cop would always take me. All my friends they'd be like, "You know, we gotta take one of you." And it was always- and I'm the only brown kid in the group.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:53

      Oh.

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez0:53

      So every single time they were like, "We're gonna take you."

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Oh.

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez0:56

       And then they'd take you to central bookings for a day.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Oh.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez0:59

       And, uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       They would literally say, "I have to take one of you?"

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez1:00

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Oh my God.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez1:02

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       And none of your friends go, "Hey, you got Louis the last three times. I'm not gonna get in there."

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez1:05

       Not once.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       (laughs)

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez1:06

       Dave Smith- I- I've been arrested- I was, uh- I was arrested three separate times and Dave Smith watched me get put into the back of a car and he was like, "Bye."

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Oh God.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez1:14

       Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, and then I remember I went to Amsterdam when I was 22 and it was the first time I ever smoked legal weed. And I just me- I was like, "This is- this is great. This is the way it should be." It was nuts. I was just like smoking in the street, I was talking to a cop, I was on mushrooms. I was like, "This is so peaceful and nice." And then I came back and I remember I- I was in a stairwell smoking a blunt like the day I got back and I was like, "This is fucking- a wild thing." And then here we are years later in New York City, it's legal. There's literally- uh, you could buy weed in just delis on every corner in New York City now. It's crazy.

3. 1:47 – 5:37

   Early medical-marijuana era: shady dispensaries, robberies, and the weirdness of grow rooms

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      Yeah. It- I remember the switch in California because for a while I was medical, so I used to have to go to a doctor and the doctor would go, "Oh, you need weed." And then he writes some shit down on a piece of paper and then you could buy weed.

   2. LGLuis J. Gomez1:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      And I used to go to this place called the Inglewood Wellness Center, which was in Inglewood and it's, you know, shady area. And back then, I don't know if it was credit cards yet. I don't- I think they might have been able to use credit cards, but I know they also had a lot of cash on them and they got robbed and the guy that I used to buy weed from got shot.

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez2:19

      Oh shit.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      And I was like, "All right."

   6. LGLuis J. Gomez2:20

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      "Done- done with that spot. Gonna have to find a new spot." But there wasn't that many spots. You would have to like find these places and they looked like shut down stores. Like most of the places that were dispensaries-

   8. LGLuis J. Gomez2:31

      Hm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      ... they were like super low key, like you had to know people. And you would go in there and, uh, you know, there'd be some fucking doctor. (laughs) Like one time I went to this doctor and he had dreadlocks and this dude's had like long dreads and he had a volcano bag, you know one of them volcano vaporizers bags?

   10. LGLuis J. Gomez2:47

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       But it was like an extra long bag. And we walk into the dispensary and he's like, "Man, you need medicine."

   12. LGLuis J. Gomez2:54

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       He just immediately-

   14. LGLuis J. Gomez2:56

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       He goes, "You need some medicine." I go, "Yes sir, I do. Thank you."

   16. LGLuis J. Gomez3:00

       (laughs) I'm very sick.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       (laughs) I'm very sick. And he took us to the grow room. I don't know if you've ever been in a grow room when you're high.

   18. LGLuis J. Gomez3:06

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       But they seem to be intelligent. There's an odd feeling that you get when you're high on marijuana and you walk into a grow room filled with like hundreds of plants. It was a big ass room with lights, you know, hydroponic lights, whatever, hanging from the sky. And, um, it just has a weird feel to it.

   20. LGLuis J. Gomez3:28

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       It has a weird feel, like not a regular room. It doesn't feel like you're walking into a room. It feels like you're walking into a room with beings.

   22. LGLuis J. Gomez3:35

       Oh really?

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       Yeah. Like they feel alive in a weird way.

   24. LGLuis J. Gomez3:39

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       And I know-

   26. LGLuis J. Gomez3:40

       That's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       I know I'm- I know I was super high.

   28. LGLuis J. Gomez3:42

       That's good weed that you have.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       I mean, vaporizer pack, but it felt real because it didn't feel like that when I was in the other room.

   30. LGLuis J. Gomez3:48

       Right.
4. 5:37 – 8:18

   Do plants ‘feel’ music? From ficus jokes to psychological-warfare playlists

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:37

      So it's- it does say they grow- they grow better. Look, it says for most plants, playing classical or jazz music caused growth to increase while harsher metal music induced stress.

   2. LGLuis J. Gomez5:47

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      This may be because the vibrations of metal music are too intense for plants and stimulate cells a little too much. We think of this as me- massaging your plant with a song. They prefer a gentler touch. But how do we know-

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez5:59

      (laughs) I wanna know the boring bitch who wrote this article.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      A gentle touch. How do we not know that it's not that at all? How do we not... I mean, that's, uh, an assumption that's, like, minimalizing their ability to recognize what's going on. 'Cause right, like, put that up again, like, how it's explained. Because the way it's explained, it's like, here it says, "This may be 'cause the vibrations of metal music are too intense for plants and stimulate cells a little too much." Like, how do you know? How do you know the plant just doesn't si- think that music sucks?

   6. LGLuis J. Gomez6:33

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:34

      Could you imagine? It's like, you know when they were t-

   8. LGLuis J. Gomez6:36

      Yeah. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:36

      ... when they were torturing Noriega-

   10. LGLuis J. Gomez6:38

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       ... they would fucking just blare horrible music at him.

   12. LGLuis J. Gomez6:42

       Yeah. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       Forever. Remember that?

   14. LGLuis J. Gomez6:44

       Yeah, they did that with, uh, it was, uh, the, uh... What was the big group that was like, there was like a standoff, and then they did it with Billy Ray Cyrus's song, Achy Breaky Heart.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       (laughs)

   16. LGLuis J. Gomez6:53

       There was some, yeah, there was some, like, some, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       (laughs)

   18. LGLuis J. Gomez6:56

       ... some dude who had, like, a bunch of people captive, and they played Achy Breaky Heart to-

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Oh, God.

   20. LGLuis J. Gomez7:01

       ... to fuck with him, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:02

       I do have to say, though, uh, that at least it shows a sense of humor by the police.

   22. LGLuis J. Gomez7:06

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       I think that's pretty funny.

   24. LGLuis J. Gomez7:07

       That's fucking hilarious.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       That's funny.

   26. LGLuis J. Gomez7:08

       Yeah. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       You fucking kid. Play bad music and this, till this dude fucking moves out of the house-

   28. LGLuis J. Gomez7:13

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       ... with the hostages. (laughs) But I know-

   30. LGLuis J. Gomez7:16

       That's good.
5. 8:18 – 11:02

   Arrests, jail cells, and why weed laws (and enforcement) felt immoral

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez8:18

      Have you ever been in, uh, a jail cell, Joe?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:21

      No.

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez8:22

      You've never been arrested for anything ever?

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      Nope, never.

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez8:24

      Damn.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:25

      Noriega's mugshot after a surrender to US forces in 1990, age 56. How many people had that guy killed?

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez8:33

      You never even been in cuffs?

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      No.

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez8:36

      Damn.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       I'm a good boy.

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez8:38

       You are a good boy. I- it's, it's the worst.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       I could only imagine.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez8:42

       And I-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       I'm always very respectful to cops.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez8:45

       I'm super respectful to cops too because at that point, they're arresting me, and I wanna get out-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       Yay.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez8:49

       I wanna get off with a warning. I've never done anything real. Like, I've never done a real crime.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Right.

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez8:53

       It's always for smoking weed or-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       They should expunge all those.

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez8:58

       They did.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       They should-

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez8:59

       They did.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       They always should with everybody with that. We should wake up as a country and realize those laws are immoral. They don't make any sense. Everybody know what-

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez9:06

       I couldn't go to Canada for, for years I couldn't go to Canada.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       If we can drink, why can't we smoke?

   27. LGLuis J. Gomez9:10

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:10

       It makes zero sense. You guys are out, you're out of your minds. You don't smoke weed. You don't know what you're talking about. It's, you, it's like that's part of the problem is that the people that are making these laws, they don't have any experience with these drugs.

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez9:25

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       You know, I'm good.
6. 11:02 – 20:51

   Weed health debates: cancer anxiety, edibles metabolism, CBD risks, and pharma alternatives

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez11:02

      It's kinda good to do that. I'm, uh... Yeah, I just... And then the other thing, now that I'm getting older, I'm 41 now, I still don't... I, I mean, I could probably research this, does weed just not cause cancer?

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:13

      (laughs)

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez11:13

      Does it not, like... And nobody's talking about weed giving them fucking cancer. I smoke a lot of fucking weed, and I'm just in my head about it. I'm like, "Dude, I'm gonna get lung cancer 'cause I've been smoking blunts and weed for so long."

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:23

      It doesn't seem to, and I don't know why it wouldn't if cigarettes do.

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez11:29

      Do you know...

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:29

      Now, now, there, here's a question. Is there a difference between those natural cigarettes that people enjoy, like those American Spirits-

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez11:37

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      ... and, like, Marlboros?

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez11:38

      Dude, I don't think they're natural. American... That's just, that's good branding 'cause they even have Joe Rogan going, "Dude, those natural cig..." They're not nat- it's the same shit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       Yeah, but it says the name of them, isn't it?

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez11:45

       It's the American Spirit, dude. I think it's just some-

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       Oh.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez11:48

       We assume they're natural 'cause American Indians make them, I think.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Is there a bunch of shit in there? Our research shows the majority of natural American Spirit smokers incorrectly believe-

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez11:56

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       ... that their cigarettes are safer than other cigarettes. The truth out there, they're just as dangerous as any other cigarette.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez12:02

       Yeah, dude, that's... I, I always thought-

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       Yeah, it's a cigarette.

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez12:04

       ... like light cigarettes were safer, and they're not at all.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       ... no, that's probably even worse. Like, what is in those... Okay, what are menthols? Like, what's going on there?

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez12:13

       I don't even know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:14

       What is going on? They're trying to outlaw that in California.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez12:17

       Yeah, well because it's like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       Did they outlaw it?

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez12:18

       They... I think they did a lot because they, they say it's, they're going after like... Any of the flavored tobacco shit, um, like, you can't get flavored blunt wraps in New York City anymore because the, they're... I guess the angle is they're saying that kids are more likely to buy flavored stuff, um, which is just-

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:34

       (sighs)

   27. LGLuis J. Gomez12:34

       I think that's kind of stupid as well.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:36

       What about flavored liquor?

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez12:38

       Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're not-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       How, how come-
7. 20:51 – 24:24

   Existential dread: cancer vs asteroids, Jupiter as a shield, and civilization ‘reset’ theories

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez20:51

      I'm fucking terrified. I'm terrified of cancer.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:54

      It's terrifying. It should be terrifying.

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez20:56

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:57

      You should be terrified of all kinds of things, like asteroids, ice ages.

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez21:02

      I'm not, not terrified of asteroids. I've never once thought about it. You always hear about them, like, "Oh, they, they, they missed the Earth by, like..." It's always like, "100,000 miles." That doesn't seem that close.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:16

      Yeah, it's just a time thing, Louis. It's just a time thing.

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez21:20

      What do you mean?

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:20

      It's just a time thing. We're gonna get hit.

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez21:23

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       It's inevitable. It's happened thousands of times probably while human beings have been alive.

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez21:30

       Look-

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       And some of them are big.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez21:31

       ... if an asteroid hits Mars, and we hear about it, then I'm gonna go, "All right, fuck. We're in trouble."

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       Well, they had a, a big one hit Jupiter once.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez21:41

       Oh, really?

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       Yeah, and they, they really, um, were surprised because the impact was, like, far larger than they thought it was gonna be, but it was an enormous one. That's... Apparently, that's what protects us. Jupiter's so massive that it, like, sucks up most of the asteroids and comets. That's what allows us to not just be pelted all the time because there's, like, hundreds of thousands of these near-Earth objects that are just fucking flying around.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez22:05

       Joe, why are you trying to scare the audience right now? I don't really under-... What, what is your angle here?

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:08

       I'm not trying to scare anybody.

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez22:08

       You're scaring... You're terrifying right now.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       This is just what I think about all the time. The gas giant regularly absorbs hits from comets and asteroids protecting their inner solar system worlds.

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez22:17

       Damn.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:18

       Yeah, I think they have the photo of, uh, it getting hit, but, uh, it got hit by some just fucking dinosaur killer.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez22:27

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       Just some big one, just shapum.

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez22:31

       Yeah, something like that. I'm, like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       That's a wrap so that you could see it. You could, you could actually see it get hit.

   27. LGLuis J. Gomez22:36

       There's just no control with that. Like, there's nothing that I can do. If we get hit by an asteroid one day, that's that. I'm not... You know, I can control not giving myself cancer by smoking blunts every day.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:46

       Hmm, or maybe that's what's making you not have cancer.

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez22:50

       Yeah. Damn. Maybe this is my Jupiter.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       That's your-
8. 24:24 – 29:00

   How Joe ‘got smart’: curiosity, accidental education, and the most fascinating guests

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez24:24

      How do you, e- how do you talk to these people? You're a fucking comic. I, you, w- do- were you always this dude? You were, like, super interested in, like, everything? 'Cause I, I watch you interview people and you're really fucking good at, like, having these conversations with these people in all of these fields. And I'm going like, "Goddamn, dude." Like, how do you have the capacity to take that all in and fucking just be interested?

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:47

      Well, it's of, but it's only things that I'm interested in.

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez24:48

      'Cause no comic that I know does that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:50

      That's, uh-

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez24:50

      Like, literally, no, every other comic is a fucking idiot who's just smoking weed or drinking beer-

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:54

      (laughs)

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez24:54

      ... and just trying to show up and get some pussy at the end of the night. And I, I think, look, you know, it's a compliment 'cause it really is, I think, why you created something so big, is you're so interested in so much stuff that I think it made, like, it gave you this, like, mass appeal. But was it, like, always that way or was it doing the podcast that turned you into that?

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:10

      Well, I've always been curious, but then doing the podcast l- allowed me to have all these conversations with people. It's like getting a, i- an accidental education. (laughs)

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez25:20

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       It's like, about, a, just a, a broad range of subjects.

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez25:24

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       But for me, it's just, it's just interesting. Like, I like listening to people and talking to people and finding out how they tick.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez25:32

       Yeah. Who was the most interesting person you had on the show ever?

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       Man, there's probably not one most interesting. There's been a lot of them that are interesting.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez25:40

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       You know? Elon's pretty fucking interesting. That's a, that's a rare one-of-a-kind human being.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez25:46

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       You know? (laughs) Like, they don't make many of those.

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez25:49

       Yeah. He just said, "I'm gonna buy Twitter."

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       Yeah. (laughs)

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez25:52

       That's crazy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:53

       And he overpaid for it by a lot.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez25:55

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:56

       It's gangster as fuck, man. And, but he really truly believed that we're in a very pivotal moment in our civilization when it comes to what is happening with like, uh, particularly with censorship. And, um, when you ha- when you have something that's essentially the town square for the world, which Twitter is, if you prevent people from other ideologies or other points of view or other political parties, if you prevent them from using this space, and only people that agree with you can use that space, that's dangerous. And he recognized that.

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez26:33

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:33

       And I think we all do. That's-

   27. LGLuis J. Gomez26:34

       Oh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       It's fucking dangerous. I know you think you're doing it, whoever's doing that, because it's the right thing and we have to protect people from bad ideas, but that never ends well. It just doesn't end well. You're, y- you're gonna give that control to someone next after you're gone 'cause that's gonna be, like, a thing we do now. You're gonna give that control to new people and they're gonna turn it the other way. They're gonna use it on you. They're gonna use it against causes that you believe in.

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez27:01

       We, we were headed in... Before Elon bought Twitter, we were headed in a really weird, it seemed like very dangerous direction for comedy, for anybody who, you know, anybody who wasn't, like, super left wing, liberal. I- I- If you were trying to create shit online, it was like, it was scary. I was like... And, and, and I do, you know, we do Legion of Skanks, most offensive podcast on Earth. We say a lot of fucked up shit. But I was like, "We are not gonna be able to even put shit on the internet anymore." We're g- for- for- forget just, like, you know, Twitter or anything else, like, I think they're gonna scrub it all from the internet. And then Elon came in and he, he kinda made people go like, "Wait a minute, hold on." That was, we were getting crazy. And people kind of paused. You see Shane has a special out on Netflix now.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:43

       Yeah.
9. 29:00 – 38:24

   Elon buying Twitter/X, censorship fears, and comedy’s chill-out after the culture-war peak

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez29:00

      Yeah. I, um, that's why I try, I try to disconnect from it as much as possible. I think everyone should. We, I, I think it's truly like the downfall of society is social media. I, I think it, it, it's we're sharing ideas too quickly.

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:14

      Yeah.

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez29:14

      Too dangerously. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:16

      I don't think it's that, but I think it's transforming society. I think we better catch the fuck up. We better catch up.

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez29:22

      Well, we will. And, uh, look, I think part of it is a lot of these, they don't really know how to handle it. It just moves too quickly.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:29

      Right.

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez29:29

      Right? So I, I think that, um, we're gonna look back at this time and we're gonna go, "Oh, yeah, that was like a real..." It was, it was just us getting a hold of the internet. The internet just fucking came out, and then we got social media, and it's just transformed everything. The whole world. We're all connected. I mean, dude, we're, uh, i- it's, the world is tiny now. Like, it doesn't even feel like... Um, but I think we're gonna look back and go like, "Yeah, we were, like, irresponsible with it." We were, like, trying to destroy each other. We were trying to hurt each other with it. It's, uh, like, it became like warfare so quickly. Um, I put, I put a... I tweeted out a joke the other day, just a dumb joke about Amber Heard. I don't, I, I don't have a dog in the race. I don't give a shit about Amber Heard, Johnny Depp, that whole thing. Like, to, from my perspective, it looked like two crazy people abusing each other, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      (laughs)

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez30:10

      It's kinda hot, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       (laughs)

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez30:11

       But l- who gives a... So the whole joke is that Amber Heard is so hot that I would let her shit in my bed, I would let her shit on my couch, on the kitchen counter.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       (laughs)

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez30:18

       I, I, you know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       Right.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez30:19

       Dumb joke. Very mild. Dude, all of these fucking chicks that are Amber Heard supporters are coming-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       (laughs)

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez30:25

       ... after me on Twitter, from still, to this day, three days later, nonstop, just coming. Like, "You don't know Amber Heard! She was abused." You're... And I'm like, "This is fucking psychotic, dude." Like, it is, th- then they're digging up my old tweets. They're, like, looking up any time I've said anything questionable and they're reposting it. I'm like, "Idiot, I posted that. It's public."

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       (laughs) ... are these real people, you think?

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez30:45

       I don't know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       Or d- or is this, like, a media campaign company?

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez30:49

       I think it might be a media campaign company because they all have, like, a hashtag Stand With Amber in their name.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Yeah.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez30:55

       I didn't even post her name in it, I just posted the joke.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       But I'm not accusing her of this, but, you know, that is absolutely a real thing.

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez31:02

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       That is absolutely a real thing. There's a way that you can just, uh, like, defend a person or attack a person with bots.

   27. LGLuis J. Gomez31:12

       I think, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       I think they, they're for sure using it. I mean, look, we know the Russians are using it. We know that, that the me- and they always find these troll farms. Like, one of them, they found that 19 of all the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook were run by Russian troll farms. (laughs)

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez31:28

       Really? When I found out that th- they were like, uh, Russia, like, interfered with the el- in the election, like, with, like, social media and shit, I was like, "Uh, that's kind of fucking awesome. It's badass."

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       I wonder, uh, uh, they fir- certainly tried and I'm sure we try with theirs. The question is, like, was there, like, real interference?
10. 38:24 – 47:03

    Outrage machinery: bots, pile-ons, troll farms, and the BLM ‘bricks’ controversy

    1. LGLuis J. Gomez38:24

       I, I, I, I'd be embarrassed to tell you my screen time number.

    2. JRJoe Rogan38:29

       (laughs)

    3. LGLuis J. Gomez38:29

       It's embarrassing. Do you know what yours is?

    4. JRJoe Rogan38:31

       No, I don't know what it is.

    5. LGLuis J. Gomez38:33

       Dude, it's fucking... Mine's like nine hours a day.

    6. JRJoe Rogan38:36

       Wow.

    7. LGLuis J. Gomez38:37

       It's bad. It's really-

    8. JRJoe Rogan38:38

       That's not good.

    9. LGLuis J. Gomez38:39

       It's really bad. You can look it... I think you just type in screen time to the, uh, the search bar. Screen... Maybe not. I don't know. Yeah, it's like nine hours. It's like eight or nine hours a day. It's crazy.

    10. JRJoe Rogan38:50

        Whew. It's wild. You gotta throw, "Oh, I'm getting some things done."

    11. LGLuis J. Gomez38:55

        You pretend you're working.

    12. JRJoe Rogan38:56

        Yeah, but also, "I'm tuning into the world. I gotta, I gotta check in on the world."

    13. LGLuis J. Gomez38:59

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:00

        "See what's going on out there on the news." But really, just hitting that button.

    15. LGLuis J. Gomez39:05

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:05

        What a weird addiction.

    17. LGLuis J. Gomez39:06

        Yeah, that, there was that documentary where they talked about, like, they designed it that way when you refresh it, it does, like, a little physical, like, like, little blip, and you wanna see it, you wanna see, like, another interaction. And it's like, uh, they, they compared it to a slot machine, right? You go, "Boop, did I get anything? Did I win? Did I win? Did I win? Oh, I got likes, I got replies, I got whatever."

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:25

        Mm-hmm.

    19. LGLuis J. Gomez39:25

        And, uh, yeah, it's super addictive.

    20. JRJoe Rogan39:27

        It's also kind of... In, in some ways, we're kinda... It's, it's... There's something dehumanizing about it because more and more people are just communicating through, like, text messages and online social media and stuff, and not communicating that much in real life.

    21. LGLuis J. Gomez39:47

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan39:48

        I think kids are sending each other text messages, uh, more than they're talking to each other.

    23. LGLuis J. Gomez39:52

        Oh, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan39:53

        You know what I mean? So it's like-

    25. LGLuis J. Gomez39:54

        My son just got a phone for the first time. He's 10. Uh, just got his, uh, his pa- iPad for the first time. Um, I, it was a, a conscious decision that me and his mother made. We said, "We're not going to have him be addicted to a screen and staring at a screen all the time." You see kids in restaurants, uh, as soon as they sit down, they give them a pad or a phone, and they are disconnected from the entire conversation. They're not having, they're not making eye contact.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:19

        Right.

    27. LGLuis J. Gomez40:19

        I wanted to give my kid every chance possible in the world to be successful. And he's, I mean, he's such a bright kid. He, he shakes people's hands, he looks him directly in the eyes. I mean, he's just such a, a, a little gentleman. He's, he's the fucking best, and I think a big part of it is, is the fact that we just didn't enable him to do that, and we didn't allow him to do that. Um, but yeah, that's... I'm, I'm super fucking scared of my kid growing up. Also, I'm just scared of my kid finding all the shit that I've said online.

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:44

        (laughs)

    29. LGLuis J. Gomez40:44

        I have to, like, fucking... I have to, like... Dude, I'm telling you right now, I think about that every day. I, every day, I'm like, "Dude, I, he's gonna fucking..." He, 'cause he's, he's from this new generation. He's a good kid, he's a sweet kid, and he's obviously 10 times more woke than I'm ever gonna be, right? He's just, it's just the generation. And I just, I'm so afraid that he's just gonna look up the shit that I say and out of context just not really understand, you know, why we say stupid shit to make people laugh. Um, yeah. So, I, you know, I'm, I'm... So I'm just secretly trying to make him racist.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:12

        (laughs)
11. 47:03 – 51:07

    The phone addiction era: screen time shame, kids with devices, and a coming brain–computer world

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       Uh-oh.

    2. LGLuis J. Gomez47:03

       ... people on that, uh, that went on that, um, you know, the fucking submarine thing.

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       Yeah.

    4. LGLuis J. Gomez47:08

       The Titanic, dude. It's like-

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       Yeah.

    6. LGLuis J. Gomez47:10

       ... what a cool thing that must have been to, like, sign up for it. You're like, "Dude, we're gonna go to see the Titanic." And then... That's fucking wild, dude. That could have been you, Joe. You could have been down on that thing.

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:21

       Mm-mm.

    8. LGLuis J. Gomez47:21

       No?

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:21

       Not a fucking chance in hell. Uh-huh.

    10. LGLuis J. Gomez47:23

        Well, there was one. Was it MrBeast? He said that they invited him to go do it.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:28

        I am not hopping in that fucking-

    12. LGLuis J. Gomez47:29

        No.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        ... backyard smoker and dropping into the bottom of the ocean to get the fuck outta here.

    14. LGLuis J. Gomez47:33

        Would you go to space right now-

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:34

        No.

    16. LGLuis J. Gomez47:34

        ... on, like, one of these charters?

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:36

        Fucking chance, son.

    18. LGLuis J. Gomez47:37

        No? You love space.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:38

        Those things blow up.

    20. LGLuis J. Gomez47:40

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:40

        You have to go real fast to go into space, kid.

    22. LGLuis J. Gomez47:43

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:43

        Those things blow up. I'm not interested. Not until they get that shit down like an electric car. When they get a spaceship that mo- moves like a Tesla, just whoosh.

    24. LGLuis J. Gomez47:53

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:53

        Okay, I'm in.

    26. LGLuis J. Gomez47:55

        Yeah. Just not worth it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        I get it. Look, starry nights are beautiful. I get it.

    28. LGLuis J. Gomez48:01

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:01

        I get it. I get you'd want to, like, go out, get real high, and come back down. I'm good. (laughs)

    30. LGLuis J. Gomez48:06

        (laughs)
12. 51:07 – 58:24

    Risk and novelty: Titan sub disaster, space tourism skepticism, and VR as the ‘safer’ frontier

    1. LGLuis J. Gomez51:07

       Yeah. My car... Because I fall asl... If I drive for more than an hour and a half, I don't care what time of day it is, I start to doze off immediately. I get like, um-

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:14

       Really?

    3. LGLuis J. Gomez51:14

       ... road hypnosis, they call it.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:16

       Do you have sleep apnea?

    5. LGLuis J. Gomez51:17

       No.

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       No?

    7. LGLuis J. Gomez51:18

       No.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       You sure?

    9. LGLuis J. Gomez51:19

       Yeah, I don't think so.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:20

        Did you ever get a sleep study?

    11. LGLuis J. Gomez51:21

        No.

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:22

        Just guessing.

    13. LGLuis J. Gomez51:24

        Yeah. No, no. I don't snore though.

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:25

        You don't?

    15. LGLuis J. Gomez51:26

        D- Do you have to... Do you have to snore to have sleep apnea?

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:28

        I think so.

    17. LGLuis J. Gomez51:29

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:29

        Yeah.

    19. LGLuis J. Gomez51:30

        So no.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:30

        I think that's part of it is because you're choking.

    21. LGLuis J. Gomez51:32

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:33

        Super common with guys.

    23. LGLuis J. Gomez51:34

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:34

        Especially guys that work out.

    25. LGLuis J. Gomez51:36

        Yeah. I don't... Yeah, I don't snore at all.

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:37

        Or guys that are overweight.

    27. LGLuis J. Gomez51:38

        Yeah. But yeah, no, I f... So I f- I- th- on my car, I have an Audi, and it has like all the- the lane change or the lane correction shit.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:45

        Mm-hmm.

    29. LGLuis J. Gomez51:45

        So if I start to doze off, it'll just automatically shift back into the lane.

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:50

        Jesus Christ. (laughs)
13. 58:24 – 1:07:05

    Driving and danger in the real world: self-driving mistrust, road hypnosis, crashes, and Uber conflict

    1. LGLuis J. Gomez58:24

       Yeah. I gotta, I gotta get surgery on my right knee now. I got a, I got a, uh, a knee scope on my left knee.

    2. JRJoe Rogan58:31

       When you say, um, you, you got a knee scope ... So how, your, your, your, um, ligaments were, uh, intact, but your meniscus was torn?

    3. LGLuis J. Gomez58:39

       My, yeah-

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:40

       Is that what it was?

    5. LGLuis J. Gomez58:40

       ... my meniscus was torn, yeah. So they came in and they like cleaned out like all the little loose pieces and-

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:45

       Hm.

    7. LGLuis J. Gomez58:45

       ... it's still kinda sore to be honest with you.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:46

       Did they trim it? It's gonna be sore. It's gonna be sore for a long time.

    9. LGLuis J. Gomez58:49

       Yeah. No, it was, it was a while ago, and yeah, I haven't gone to ji- jiu ... I went back to jujitsu too quickly. I went three weeks after I got the meniscus surgery.

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:55

        Ah, you gotta wait longer than that, sorry.

    11. LGLuis J. Gomez58:56

        Yeah, I went back and I was like, I was like, "Yeah, I can do it." I, I'm, you know... And then, um, I was just walking out of the movies with my girl. We went to go see Cocaine Bear and we walked out and she said something, and then I looked at her and then I just literally twisted my ankle like-

    12. JRJoe Rogan59:10

        (inhales)

    13. LGLuis J. Gomez59:10

        ... my knee just jerked again and now it's in pain here. And this one, every time I step off my right foot, it clicks.

    14. JRJoe Rogan59:17

        Hmm.

    15. LGLuis J. Gomez59:17

        Every time. And I remember you hit me up and you were like, "Oh, dude. Reach out to the Knee Over Toes guy." You-

    16. JRJoe Rogan59:22

        Mm-hmm.

    17. LGLuis J. Gomez59:22

        And I was like, "Joe, I don't have your life. I can't just reach out to Knee Over Toes guy." (laughs) He's not gonna be like, "Oh, dude. Sure, yeah. Let me fucking answer this guy's questions." I, uh, so I watched like two of his videos. I started walking around backwards in like fucking the city. People were looking at me like I'm a lunatic. I'm like, "I can't do this. I'd rather have bad knees than walk around backwards."

    18. JRJoe Rogan59:38

        If you have a treadmill, that's the best way to do it.

    19. LGLuis J. Gomez59:40

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:40

        Did you try it on a treadmill?

    21. LGLuis J. Gomez59:42

        I did at the gym. I couldn't get it to move. He said to do it without, uh-

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:46

        Mm-hmm.

    23. LGLuis J. Gomez59:46

        ... it being on. I think it was the, the treadmill wasn't designed to move-

    24. JRJoe Rogan59:48

        Oh, I see. Yeah.

    25. LGLuis J. Gomez59:50

        ... when it wasn't on, but yeah. I was doing, I was doing a little, I had to do a little, little bit of backwards jogging. Um, but yeah, dude. I haven't been able to go back to jujitsu since.

    26. JRJoe Rogan59:58

        Yeah, give it time, and, um, another thing that could help you is, um, if you've, uh ... Did, did you ever get PRP in there or anything to help it heal up?

    27. LGLuis J. Gomez1:00:07

        Oh, platelet replacement?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

        Yeah.

    29. LGLuis J. Gomez1:00:08

        No.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

        Platelet-rich plasma. The, that, that can kinda help heal after injuries, help you heal. A lot of people like that for injuries.

Episode duration: 2:31:53