Joe Rogan Experience #2032 - BJ Penn & Tulsi Gabbard

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeat music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Are we up?

   4. NANarrator0:12

      We're up.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Yeah. We're doing, uh, Fight Companion Saturday night.

   6. TGTulsi Gabbard0:14

      Okay, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Fight Companion's fun.

   8. TGTulsi Gabbard0:16

      It is.

   9. NANarrator0:16

      It is fun.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       Have a little whiskey, watch the fights-

   11. TGTulsi Gabbard0:19

       Right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       ... talk a little shit. Eddie Bravo brings up some crazy conspiracies.

   13. TGTulsi Gabbard0:23

       Oh, man.

   14. NANarrator0:23

       (laughs) Every time. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       This time, Eddie's out, so Sam Tripoli's in. We brought him as-

   16. TGTulsi Gabbard0:28

       Right on.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       ... 'cause he's even more deep into the world of conspiracies, so.

   18. NANarrator0:30

       Wow.

   19. TGTulsi Gabbard0:31

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       And he's hilarious. That, that'll be fun.

   21. TGTulsi Gabbard0:33

       But conspiracy theory is the code name for spoiler, spoiler alert now, right?

   22. NANarrator0:39

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Right. (laughs) It used... Well, it was invented, the term con- c- conspiracy theories was invented after they conspired to kill the President. That w- you know, that's-

   24. TGTulsi Gabbard0:47

       Huh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... that's when conspiracy-

   26. NANarrator0:48

       I didn't know that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yeah. Conspiracy theory, the term conspiracy theory started getting thrown around right around the time that Kennedy got assassinated.

   28. TGTulsi Gabbard0:57

       Wow.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       And it was directly because there were so many people that had all these theories. There was all these stories, stories about the shots from the gr- the grassy knoll.

   30. TGTulsi Gabbard1:04

       Mm-hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      a massive tragedy, where you have ... We don't even know the number of people dead yet. You have this massive area that's been burnt to the ground.

   2. BPBJ Penn15:08

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      And then he starts talking about taking it over for, for the state. That's an insane position to take-

   4. BPBJ Penn15:13

      It is.

   5. TGTulsi Gabbard15:14

      Ye-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      ... post-tragedy.

   7. BPBJ Penn15:15

      When I-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      When people are suffering at their most.

   9. BPBJ Penn15:17

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       They can't even believe it happened.

   11. BPBJ Penn15:18

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       And then all of a sudden, he's saying, "We're gonna take it for the state and make a memorial."

   13. BPBJ Penn15:23

       Mm-hmm.

   14. TGTulsi Gabbard15:23

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       How about give the fucking people their homes back?

   16. BPBJ Penn15:26

       Exactly. Exactly, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       You know, one of the things we went over yesterday, which is a crazy number, we were looking at the amount of money that was accidentally sent to Ukraine. Like, they- they- they-

   18. BPBJ Penn15:35

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       ... over-sent 6 billion.

   20. TGTulsi Gabbard15:37

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       And then I said, "Well, how much would it cost to rebuild every house-"

   22. TGTulsi Gabbard15:41

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       "... in the Maui fire?" And it's 5 billion.

   24. TGTulsi Gabbard15:43

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       5 billion something.

   26. BPBJ Penn15:44

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Like, they ... That's just, like, accidental money, but there's no talk of doing that.

   28. BPBJ Penn15:50

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       There's no talk of doing that. Isn't that interesting?

   30. BPBJ Penn15:52

       And there's a way, the way ... And it has, it's happened two or three times now, where the Pentagon has said, "Oh, we miscalculated how much money we had set aside for Ukraine, so we have an extra 4 billion to send now that we didn't know we had." And this has happened a few times. Secretary of State Tony Blinken went to Kiev yesterday, promising, "Hey, we're gonna give you another billion now." And this is the thing. When I was out there in Maui, person after person was like, "Tulsi, tell me what would happen if we started to call ourselves Ukraine. You think they would give us some money then?"
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Well, you know, the…

   1. TGTulsi Gabbard30:00

      you'd have to think. I mean, you're the governor. You leave. The first thing you're goin'... You know a hurricane's coming. Get your emergency team ready. Right? Why wasn't the emergency team ready to go? And...

   2. BPBJ Penn30:12

      Well, you know, the county... The, the, the head of emergency response for Maui County was on Oahu at a FEMA conference when this happened.

   3. TGTulsi Gabbard30:18

      At a happy hour, you know?

   4. BPBJ Penn30:20

      Why, why didn't he imme- Like, y- we all know, you can get on a plane within 30 minutes-

   5. TGTulsi Gabbard30:25

      Yeah.

   6. BPBJ Penn30:25

      ... to fly from Honolulu to Kahului and be there within an hour, hour and a half. Uh, he didn't show up there until the, you know, one or two days after. And when the mayor was asked, "Mr. Mayor..." This was, you know, a couple of weeks after. A reporter said, "Who was, who was directing the response? Your emergency management guy was not there. Who was the person making decisions in the hours after the wildfire?" The mayor said, "I don't know."

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:52

      (Poof sound with mouth) .

   8. BPBJ Penn30:53

      "I don't know."

   9. TGTulsi Gabbard30:53

      And, and how... What about the guy signin- sounding the alarm? Now, he, he re- he resigns.

   10. BPBJ Penn30:59

       Well, first-

   11. TGTulsi Gabbard30:59

       Does that mean he's not gonna be criminally charged for criminal negligence, and-

   12. BPBJ Penn31:04

       Yeah.

   13. TGTulsi Gabbard31:04

       What... I mean, you're talking a-

   14. BPBJ Penn31:05

       I mean-

   15. TGTulsi Gabbard31:05

       ... thousand people.

   16. BPBJ Penn31:06

       He, the guy who was on Oahu-

   17. TGTulsi Gabbard31:08

       Mm-hmm.

   18. BPBJ Penn31:08

       ... when the, when the fires happened, he didn't show his face in public, to the media, or to the c- or to the community, until eight or nine days after the crisis. The guy who should've been talking to the media every single day, in the hours and days after. He didn't show his face in public until day eight or nine, and that was when he said that he didn't regret sounding the alarm-

   19. TGTulsi Gabbard31:31

       That's crazy.

   20. BPBJ Penn31:31

       ... system.

   21. TGTulsi Gabbard31:32

       Yeah.

   22. BPBJ Penn31:32

       Which is a whole other, like... His response made no sense whatsoever, and then he resigned-

   23. TGTulsi Gabbard31:36

       Do you know him-

   24. BPBJ Penn31:37

       ... the day after.

   25. TGTulsi Gabbard31:37

       ... personally?

   26. BPBJ Penn31:38

       I don't.

   27. TGTulsi Gabbard31:38

       Do-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       What is the controversy about the alarm system? Is it-

   29. BPBJ Penn31:40

       So that was the question, was like, Hawaii has a state of the art alarm system. We are the most remote island chain in the world, and as a result, natural disasters is-

   30. TGTulsi Gabbard31:49

       Tsunamis.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      fuel those things burn? It's insanity.

   2. BPBJ Penn45:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      It's insanity. Oh, when you get here, "Look, we're green." Bitch, you ain't green. What, what made that thing? What if you got one from China?

   4. TGTulsi Gabbard45:10

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      What made that thing?

   6. BPBJ Penn45:12

      Yeah.

   7. TGTulsi Gabbard45:12

      The, yeah, it's, it's crazy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      Yeah.

   9. TGTulsi Gabbard45:15

      It's cra- I mean, and how are the, how are all of these people gonna stay warm? What about their air conditioner? I mean, do we have enough energy for these people? Is this just-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Well, you'll be trapped. You'll be trapped.

   11. TGTulsi Gabbard45:25

       So just, so if, if we had oil and, and, uh, coal to bring us this far, does that mean we're just gonna have to go this far now as far as the population?

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Well, there's also this talk of 15-mile cities, right?

   13. TGTulsi Gabbard45:37

       Yeah, tell me about those.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Or 15-minute cities.

   15. TGTulsi Gabbard45:38

       I don't know much about them.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       The idea is that you'll essentially be contained-

   17. TGTulsi Gabbard45:40

       That's what this city is. That's what this city is, but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       You'll essentially be contained unless you get permission to leave.

   19. TGTulsi Gabbard45:47

       That's true? Really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Which is-

   21. TGTulsi Gabbard45:48

       How are they gonna put us in there?

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       ... yeah, that's the, the idea they're ch- they're starting to roll out in Europe.

   23. BPBJ Penn45:52

       Oh, okay.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       They're, they're talking about... I think they've already implemented-

   25. TGTulsi Gabbard45:54

       But-

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       ... this somewhere.

   27. TGTulsi Gabbard45:55

       Well, you would, you would think-

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       But the-

   29. TGTulsi Gabbard45:56

       You would think, well, I'm just thinking about Lahaina when you're talking about this, because you would think, "Well, how are they gonna put us on that land of these 15-minute cities?" But then you would think, "Well, how are they gonna get us off our land?" But they just have. In Lahaina, they just got these people off their land. And if you go-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Well, they're talking about it. They haven't done it yet.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:14:51

   Exactly. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      by live streaming part of an employee meeting, one of the few things he's done in that company's history. Uh, one of the few times he's done that, rather, in that company's history. Then on Wednesday, Facebook's powerhouse policy and communications chief, former British Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg issued an open letter titled Facebook Does Not Benefit From Hate, touting its efforts to police its content. The boycott emerged as a crucial test for a company that has become a key player in American politics simply because of what it hosts and promotes on site, which until recently had been vocally doubling down on its commitment to keeping an open platform for user speech. The thing about this, like, stop hate speech, like, how much of that hate speech is really even people?... how much of that hate speech is troll farms? 19 of the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook were found to be run by Russian troll farms. How many of this... how much of this hate speech is led even by our own government? How much of this hate speech is fake, and they, they use it so they can crack down on all kinds of speech? How much-

   2. BPBJ Penn1:01:07

      Exactly.

   3. NANarrator1:01:08

      100%.

   4. BPBJ Penn1:01:08

      And I, and I think that's, I think that's the thing right there, is whether, uh, they use the term hate speech or misinformation or disinformation.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

      Right.

   6. BPBJ Penn1:01:15

      These have become labels that they slap on people, on our accounts. I, I, I... Right now, on Instagram now for the last few months, um, they've been shadow banning me under the guise of, uh, disinformation. And-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

      How do you know you've been shadow banned?

   8. BPBJ Penn1:01:30

      Because when people, people screenshot what they see, when they try to follow my account or when they try to at mention me in a repost, they get this warning screen that comes up from Meta or from Instagram that says, "Are you sure you want to follow this person who has repeatedly been found to be spreading disinformation?" And I've gone through the things, you know, and looked at, uh, some of the examples of, of what Instagram has deemed to be disinformation. And, and-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

      Here it is right here.

   10. BPBJ Penn1:02:01

       Exactly.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       "The account has been repeatedly posted false information that was reviewed by independent..." These fact checkers are independent, by the way.

   12. BPBJ Penn1:02:09

       Yeah. Uh-huh. Of course.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

       Independent fact checkers. Or went against our community guidelines. Do you want to at mention this account, when you try to tag Tulsi Gabbard?

   14. BPBJ Penn1:02:16

       They... For the account holder, for me, they don't allow any, any means to appeal or, or, you know, provide counter evidence to these fact checkers. And some of these posts-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

       Do they at least provide you what the posts are?

   16. BPBJ Penn1:02:27

       They... In, in the one example I'm thinking of is one where I cited the UN article, and it was an actual article reporting the UN statement essentially, uh, uh, legitimizing pedophilia, saying that sex with minors shouldn't be demonized. And I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact article.

   17. NANarrator1:02:44

       Unbelievable.

   18. BPBJ Penn1:02:44

       But that was, that was the statement. And I posted a shot of the headline and the article, which was clearly cited, and, uh, the independent, quote unquote, "independent fact checkers" said, uh, uh, that I have misinterpreted the article. And therefore, that was, you know, uh, d- disinformation.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

       Can we see what that actual article says? What does the actual article say?

   20. BPBJ Penn1:03:08

       Let me see if I can find it.

   21. NANarrator1:03:10

       Jamie can probably find it. The-

   22. BPBJ Penn1:03:12

       It was a UN... It was a UN, uh, statement or policy that was, was passed when being promoted.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:18

       Were they trying to use the term minor-attracted people?

   24. BPBJ Penn1:03:21

       I don't know that they used that term, but they-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:23

       Isn't that insane?

   26. NANarrator1:03:25

       What the fuck?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

       Isn't that insane?

   28. BPBJ Penn1:03:25

       Yeah. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

       That one's insane.

   30. NANarrator1:03:25

       The...

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