Joe Rogan Experience #2033 - Matt Rife

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) All right. Where are we recording this? Let's go, Matt Rife.

Matt Rife 0:15 Let's do it.

Joe Rogan 0:16 What's cracking, baby?

Matt Rife 0:17 Let's turn off the show.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Are you still in LA right now?

Matt Rife 0:20 Technically, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Technically, but you're on the road, right?

Matt Rife 0:21 I mean, I'm- I'm home three days a week or three days a month maybe.

Joe Rogan 0:24 You're just constantly touring.

Matt Rife 0:26 Yeah. It's a dream come true, man.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Yeah.

Matt Rife 0:28 Careful what you wish for. But long time coming, you know?

Joe Rogan 0:32 Well, I don't know. It's not careful what you wish for, it's just, you just, you have to learn how to manage this new thing now. It's great, though. It's not careful. It's fucking awesome. It's so much better than it not working out for you. (laughs)

Matt Rife 0:46 Oh, absolutely. No, if I could sleep like a normal human being, I think I'd be just fine.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Yeah. You- uh, you were just talking about that, that you have r- serious insomnia.

Matt Rife 0:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Have you done anything to try to mitigate that? Have you done... Have you taken melatonin?

Matt Rife 0:58 Oh, dude, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Have you tried any herbal... Have you done all that stuff?

Matt Rife 1:00 I've- I've o- OD'd on melatonin, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Nothing?

Matt Rife 1:02 I've taken 30 milligrams in a night and, you know, you build up a tolerance to melatonin-

Joe Rogan 1:06 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:06 ... then you have to stop using it for a little while. I mean, I do have to smoke, like, every single night to even have a chance of falling asleep.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Wow, so you just, like, get some of that Be Real Indica, some of that Cypress Hill shit?

Matt Rife 1:18 Oh, yeah, dude, until I just am-

Joe Rogan 1:20 (laughs)

Matt Rife 1:20 ... just deformed in bed.

Joe Rogan 1:22 (laughs) And that puts you out?

Matt Rife 1:25 K- not really. No.

Joe Rogan 1:26 Wow.

Matt Rife 1:26 Dude, it's insane. I can stay awake on- on Xanax and everything. It's almost like-

Joe Rogan 1:30 That's so interesting.

Matt Rife 1:31 If you picture a, like a- like a light switch-

Joe Rogan 1:33 Mm-hmm.

Matt Rife 1:33 ... to turn your brain off, I just can't. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:36 Your switch doesn't work?

Matt Rife 1:37 No. And I- I think it's, like... After thinking about it for years, I think it's the same mechanism in my brain that, like, allows me to think quickly on stage-

Joe Rogan 1:46 Hmm.

Matt Rife 1:46 ... that allows... that keeps my brain up at night. Like, I just think about anything.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Right.

Matt Rife 1:49 It's not even anxiety. It's just anything.

Joe Rogan 1:52 It's just frantic thoughts just bouncing around in your head?

Matt Rife 1:55 Yeah, anything from middle school memories to, like, "Man, it's crazy how leaves are green and then brown sometimes."

Joe Rogan 1:59 (laughs)

Matt Rife 1:59 Like, it's just fucking anything. My dick is like, "Please don't beat me in bed," and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 2:05 (laughs)

Matt Rife 2:05 ... "I've tried everything, man."

Joe Rogan 2:06 You've tried everything.

Matt Rife 2:07 I promise.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Wow.

Matt Rife 2:09 I know, I know. It's- it sucks 'cause obviously, I mean, sleep... for as much as I work out, like, your muscles don't get that time to recover, which means-

Joe Rogan 2:15 Mm-hmm.

Matt Rife 2:15 ... they can't build.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Well, and your brain doesn't get that time to recover.

Matt Rife 2:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Your immune system suffers. Everything suffers when you don't sleep. I've made, like, a really conscious effort over the last year to get a lot of sleep, and I've fucked it up quite a few times with the club because there's been times with the club where, like, at least three nights a week when I'm performing, you know, I'm out till 2:00 in the morning.

Matt Rife 2:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:36 And generally, I wake up around 8:00 to start working out.

Matt Rife 2:39 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 2:39 And at, you know, at 8:00, that's like six hours. It's not quite enough.

Matt Rife 2:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Like, it's not even six hours. It's like five and a half. And, you know, I feel tired, I look tired, and, uh, I just don't have as much juice. And then when I adjust and then get proper sleep again, so all of a sudden it's like whoop!

Matt Rife 2:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Like, my... I feel like everything turns up to 10 again. It's fascinating. Like, I feel a big difference, like, physically feel a big difference. Like, if that... if sleep was a supplement, if I could take a sleep supplement-

Matt Rife 3:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:10 ... and it gives you that feeling you get when you're, like, fully rested-

Matt Rife 3:14 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 3:14 ... oh, my God, you're just better. You're better. Everything works better. Your brain works better. Your- your- your- you can physically do more.

Matt Rife 3:22 Just-

Joe Rogan 3:22 Everything works better.

Matt Rife 3:24 I've heard.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Yeah, you gotta try it.

Matt Rife 3:26 (laughs) I don't think I've even been in a REM sleep in five years, dude.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Oh, that doesn't make sense.

Matt Rife 3:31 It's so not good.

Joe Rogan 3:32 You would- you would be dead.

Matt Rife 3:32 I- I feel dead-

Joe Rogan 3:33 You'd be dead.

Matt Rife 3:34 ... dude.

Joe Rogan 3:34 But you're not. You feel alive, dude.

Matt Rife 3:35 I've stayed awake for nine straight days before.

Joe Rogan 3:37 What?

Matt Rife 3:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:39 I don't even think that's possible.

Matt Rife 3:40 I think the world record is, like, 11 or 13 'cause I looked into it because I genuinely started to get, like, fearful for my own health.

Joe Rogan 3:47 Jesus Christ.

Matt Rife 3:48 Do you- do you agree with having... needing eight hours? 'Cause I've heard so many different theories.

Joe Rogan 3:52 No, I don't think, I don't think everybody needs eight hours. I just know I do. In fact, there's no way I could know what's going on in other people's bodies.

Matt Rife 4:00 You think it's case by case?

Joe Rogan 4:01 Yeah, I think it's like everything with biology. Biology varies so much by genetics and life experiences and, you know, like, what have- what have you done leading up... Have you just been sedentary your whole life?

Matt Rife 4:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Or have you been very active? Is your body very fit or is your body, like, riddled with problems? Like, there's so many... and it's just genetics, man. They vary so much. Some people are, you know, they have no problem with five hours sleep.

Matt Rife 4:24 And it changes over time as well, doesn't it? Like peo- didn't people evolve from sleeping in, like, four-hour increments or something like that?

Joe Rogan 4:30 I mean, I'm sure they did. I'm sure they didn't get a chance to just fucking chill.

Matt Rife 4:34 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:34 You know, they were getting eaten by cats.

Matt Rife 4:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:36 You know? That's the, you know, the- the rub on people. It's like we still have these genetics that are from 10,000, 15,000 years ago when life was very different.

Matt Rife 4:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:47 And those are still the same genetics.

Matt Rife 4:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 And that's why we're still looking for, like, tribal leaders and shit.

Matt Rife 4:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:51 We're looking for, like, a president, a prime minister.

Matt Rife 4:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:54 We're looking for, like, one person still.

Matt Rife 4:56 Oh, yeah. Leaders used to fight in wars, dude.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Yes, and that was how we sort of figured out what to do. We went to the person who had experienced the most.

Matt Rife 5:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:04 Not the person who's been paid off the most.

Matt Rife 5:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Not the- not the person who's l- got the fucking shadiest insider dealings with the party that has the most influence.

Matt Rife 5:13 Oh, I know.

Joe Rogan 5:13 God dammit. Like-

Matt Rife 5:15 I'm so happy I take zero part in any politics whatsoever.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Good for you.

Matt Rife 5:18 I'm the least politically informed person you'll probably ever meet.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Good for you. Good.

Matt Rife 5:21 And I know I'm taking pride in- uh, naivety, but...

Joe Rogan 5:24 Well, for your own self-preservation, that's probably a good idea. I've always said though, like, voting and, like, politics in this country is a lot like rooting on pro wrestling.

Matt Rife 5:34 Damn.

Joe Rogan 5:35 It might make you feel better, but I'm not sure how much it affects the outcome.

Matt Rife 5:39 That's a very good point.

Joe Rogan 5:40 It seems like at the very end of the day, the same people are getting all the money.

Matt Rife 5:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:46 And don't think about it in terms of whether or not you can vote in your party. You most certainly can.

Matt Rife 5:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:52 And- and don't think about... Uh, they most certainly can enact social change and they can do some good things and- and especially in relationship with the Supreme Court and a lot of other things. But at the end of the day...... the real people that are running the show are the people that are getting these massive defense contracts-

Matt Rife 6:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:11 ... massive pharmaceutical contracts. Like, the- the billions and trillions of dollars that's being generated by various industries, (whispers) that's what's running the show. That's what's running the show.

Matt Rife 6:21 Man, you're speaking Mandarin Chinese right now.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Yeah. That's not-

Matt Rife 6:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:24 ... that's not that- that fucking old dude that keeps getting tripped by ghosts. He's not your leader.

Matt Rife 6:30 Are you a big ghost guy?

Joe Rogan 6:31 Um, I believe it's possible. Are you?

Matt Rife 6:33 I'm obsessed.

Joe Rogan 6:34 Are you?

Matt Rife 6:35 I- I- so, really weird side hobby of mine, I go ghost hunting. I've been, like, around the world.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Wow.

Matt Rife 6:41 Yeah. It's incredible.

Joe Rogan 6:42 What have you experienced? Have you ever had, like, an absolute moment when you're like, "Oh, my God. I'm in the presence of a- a poltergeist"?

Matt Rife 6:49 Hmm, not ... (sighs) still not 1,000%. I've definitely witnessed things that I cannot for the life of me explain that have creeped me out. The timing has been impeccable. I've seen things move that there's just no fucking way that they've moved. I've gotten answers back on EVPs.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Wow.

Matt Rife 7:08 But for me, it is one of those things I do need to see it.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Isn't a EVP like a radio though?

Matt Rife 7:13 No. EVP is just a recorder.

Joe Rogan 7:14 It's a recorder. What is- what's that radio thing? I'm sorry, then.

Matt Rife 7:17 Uh-

Joe Rogan 7:17 What is the one where they- where they, like, listen-

Matt Rife 7:19 There's a bunch of different names.

Joe Rogan 7:20 Like, my daughter's- my daughter's heavily into this shit.

Matt Rife 7:22 W- what does she watch?

Joe Rogan 7:23 Heavily. Sam and Colby.

Matt Rife 7:24 You had them on, right?

Joe Rogan 7:25 Yes.

Matt Rife 7:25 So, uh-

Joe Rogan 7:26 Great guys.

Matt Rife 7:27 So, I met these other guys. There's another channel called the Overnight Channel, who are equally as popular as Sam and Colby, and they actually used to work together, then they- I believe they split off into- each do their own thing. But that's who I started going with. So, I'm- I'm very familiar with those guys.

Joe Rogan 7:40 So, these kids, they- uh, the Sam and Colby guys just went into the Conjuring house.

Matt Rife 7:45 I was just there-

Joe Rogan 7:46 Which is-

Matt Rife 7:46 ... maybe a month and a half ago.

Joe Rogan 7:47 You went into the Conjuring House too?

Matt Rife 7:48 By myself, Joe.

Joe Rogan 7:50 Okay. Do you believe that there's something going on in that house? The Conjuring movies are fucking great, by the way.

Matt Rife 7:55 They're my- it's my favorite franchise.

Joe Rogan 7:56 They are fun.

Matt Rife 7:57 I'm obs-

Joe Rogan 7:57 And there's so many of them. They-

Matt Rife 7:58 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:59 ... they really did it right.

Matt Rife 8:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Like, if you wanna be smart, they branched off with The Nun, they branched off-

Matt Rife 8:03 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:04 ... with Annabelle.

Matt Rife 8:04 And I love the way they tie in the story-

Joe Rogan 8:06 Yeah.

Matt Rife 8:07 ... from each one to make it all one chronological story. It's genius.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Yeah.

Matt Rife 8:11 I- I will say I wasn't- I wasn't as scared as I've been in a lot of places we've been. There is some kind of s- solace to the house, but you get to know the history of it, and it just- it does make sense that there'd be something here. I mean, it's on some ley lines of water underground. It's- there was war spot there. There's apparently bodies buried on- on the property in the walls of- of the, um, the property structures and stuff. There's a lot of history that goes into it that just makes for kind of the perfect storm for some creepy shit.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Hmm.

Matt Rife 8:42 But I didn't witness anything that was that insane. Some items moved. Some- some cars rolled off of the children's dressers a couple of times on cue. And that's one- that's the one thing I do pride ourselves in these videos, is so often we get absolutely nothing, because we don't fake anything. So, you only get to see the highlights. Like, there's so many times we'll go to a place that is so notoriously haunted, and we'll be there for 10 hours and get absolutely nothing. And it sucks, but that makes when something does happen that much more valuable. It's so-

Joe Rogan 9:10 What-

Matt Rife 9:10 ... much more impressive.

Joe Rogan 9:11 What do you think ... So, do you think a ghost is, like, a- a s- the soul of a person that's left behind, or do you think the ghost is almost like space and time-

Matt Rife 9:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:23 ... because of a horrible incident, contain a memory? And like, that memory is almost, like, it- it, like, shows up in current time sometimes? There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake. I forget what his, uh, field of study is.

Matt Rife 9:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:41 But he had this theory about, uh, things, and, uh, he- he believes that objects contain memories.

Matt Rife 9:49 Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 9:49 And it's not- he's not the only one that has this.

Matt Rife 9:51 Inanimate objects?

Joe Rogan 9:52 Yeah, that things contain memories. And this is one of the reasons why, like, people kind of universally support this idea that if someone was murdered in a house-

Matt Rife 10:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:02 ... you must tell the people, inform the people that are about to buy it. You have to tell them, "Hey, somebody got murdered in this house." Like, "Maybe you don't-

Matt Rife 10:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:10 ... maybe you don't want to buy this house."

Matt Rife 10:12 Now, does the-

Joe Rogan 10:13 Maybe you should think about it."

Matt Rife 10:14 Does the potential owner have to ask that information?

Joe Rogan 10:16 It's a good question. Um-

Matt Rife 10:18 I'd wanna know.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Yeah. I think it's a good question. I think they should have to inform you, because there's something about someone being murdered in a spot that freaks us out.

Matt Rife 10:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:28 And this- so this is my question. How ... You knew the Conjured house was haunted-

Matt Rife 10:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:34 ... right? So, you go there with this feeling and this expectation. That's what I always wonder about these things. Like, how much of- how much of ... And it- this isn't just imagining things. This is like-

Matt Rife 10:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:47 Th- the mind itself seems to have some unmeasured effect on the world.

Matt Rife 10:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:56 I- I- I think the way you think has an unmeasured effect in terms of, like, this- there's energy that you put out. There's connections you make with people. They're very, very unmeasured. And you don't want to-

Matt Rife 11:10 And you can manifest your own perception of things, for sure.

Joe Rogan 11:12 Yeah. So, b- what my concern is, is like, if you go into a place with a-... preexisting knowledge of ghosts, like you think ghosts are here, you think ghosts are real. You have this thought in your mind that you, you maybe experience a ghost in this place that's haunted. You're at a, this elevated level of anticipation.

Matt Rife 11:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:34 You're probably really nervous and kinda freaked out, and your imagination starts firing up.

Matt Rife 11:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:40 And I'm not even saying that these people are lying or that they're seeing things that aren't there. I'm saying maybe you make things show up.

Matt Rife 11:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:48 Maybe you see memories. Maybe you experience some horrible energy that existed in this spot 50 years ago-

Matt Rife 11:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:57 ... a hundred years ago, that there's, like, ways you can tune into that.

Matt Rife 12:00 I could see that being possible. But to me, that's what's so exciting about it is, like, you, you go hoping for those solidified answers. You're ho-

Joe Rogan 12:07 Yeah.

Matt Rife 12:07 You're going hoping to witness something that you couldn't have possibly made up.

Joe Rogan 12:10 But you know why I think that too? Is, like, you never see them in the daytime. Ghosts don't exist on the street.

Matt Rife 12:16 Sometimes.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Yeah, but not outside.

Matt Rife 12:18 They're never outside.

Joe Rogan 12:19 Yeah.

Matt Rife 12:19 That's a very good point.

Joe Rogan 12:20 That's my point, is like, you're always trapped. So you're always in this, like, weird space. Like, if you had a wolf in your house, you'd be freaked out.

Matt Rife 12:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:27 You'd wanna get outside.

Matt Rife 12:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:28 Right? You don't want a wolf in the fa- "Ah, there's a fucking wolf in the house."

Matt Rife 12:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:31 Any time you're in a contained area, your brain has this heightened sense of, like, being trapped and awareness.

Matt Rife 12:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:39 And, and how do you escape? I mean, every horror movie is the same. "We d- gotta get to the door. Get to the door." Right? Everybody's trying to fumble with the keys.

Matt Rife 12:46 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:46 And the, the monster's chasing them.

Matt Rife 12:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:47 And they get it just in time, right? That is a reoccurring theme in the human mind. Y- if you're, you're trapped in a fucking house with a killer or a ghost or a wolf, it's scary.

Matt Rife 12:59 You know, you know where that makes the most sense? We did the USS Hornet up in the Bay Area.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Yeah.

Matt Rife 13:04 And we had the whole ship to ourselves, which I was so excited about, 'cause I love military stuff. I love history. I was so excited to go there and just witness it. And they sent me by myself on a ba- basically a game of hide and seek, where they c- I had to go find them in the ship somewhere after I had to, like-

Joe Rogan 13:17 Man.

Matt Rife 13:17 ... count to 100 by myself. It was the most terrifying place that I've ever been, because if you've never been in, like, the bowel of a ship, it's so unfamiliar. Like, doorways don't look the same. You know, you have to step over them and everything. There's so many pipes and everything sticking out. It's such an unfamiliar environment, especially in the dark. It's terrifying. You think, "I can't possibly run away from something in here." It's t- there's too many obstacles. You don't-

Joe Rogan 13:40 Yeah.

Matt Rife 13:40 ... you don't, you don't know if that's a wall or a pipe or something peepi- peeking around to, like, look at you. It's fucking terrifying because of exactly that. You feel so trapped.

Joe Rogan 13:47 That totally makes sense, and I would imagine also the feeling of being underwater does an extra freak-out.

Matt Rife 13:52 I didn't think about that, but now I have anxiety about it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:54 (laughs)

Matt Rife 13:54 I mean, you literally-

Joe Rogan 13:55 It's a lot.

Matt Rife 13:55 If you're deep enough in the ship, you're under the water.

Joe Rogan 13:58 That's a very good point.

Matt Rife 14:00 And somehow metal floats. What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 14:03 I don't understand it whatsoever.

Matt Rife 14:04 (laughs) I just, I just-

Joe Rogan 14:06 That is so weird. ... don't get it. Because of the shape? What?

Matt Rife 14:08 Yeah. Oh, that to me has always been like, "What?"

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah, like, a rock that size would fucking sink.

Matt Rife 14:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:13 Right?

Matt Rife 14:14 Yeah. I don't know what's going on. I'm too stupid to figure out boats. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:16 Physics are so confusing, dude. (laughs)

Matt Rife 14:18 I mean, I get a fiberglass boat, that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 14:21 That's impossible.

Matt Rife 14:21 But they didn't have fiberglass. Like, I get a wood boat, that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 14:24 No. But a fucking-

Matt Rife 14:25 One of those giant ships?

Joe Rogan 14:26 ... one of those battleships? Imagine if they had to make battleships out of wood.

Matt Rife 14:29 Dude.

Joe Rogan 14:29 If that was a ... Like, we have battleships, but they have to be out of wood. (laughs)

Matt Rife 14:33 Fuck. Let's go back to having to fight with swords while we're at it as well.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Do you ever do Pirates of the Caribbean at Disneyland?

Matt Rife 14:39 I've been one time, and it's fucking terrifying.

Joe Rogan 14:41 No.

Matt Rife 14:42 No, dude. Don't-

Joe Rogan 14:43 Are you scared of everything? (laughs)

Matt Rife 14:43 I'm sc- no, I'm scared. I'm afraid of no living things, apparently.

Joe Rogan 14:48 Really?

Matt Rife 14:48 Okay? N- apparently not. No, th- the ride scares me.

Joe Rogan 14:51 Why?

Matt Rife 14:51 'Cause I, I can only imagine if I was the only person in there and you see those fucking animated figures in there by themselves, that to me is, like, a perfect scary movie. It's so creepy.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Oh, right. Like, one of them would come alive?

Matt Rife 15:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:02 The, um ... But what I was getting to is there's a scene when you're going down the river in the raft where these two ships are shooting at each other.

Matt Rife 15:09 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 15:09 With cannonballs. And i- it makes you think about what the fuck that would've been like living back then.

Matt Rife 15:17 Oh, you had to be a, you had to be a man.

Joe Rogan 15:19 You're on a wooden thing-

Matt Rife 15:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:20 ... floating around the ocean, and you're both shooting things that make holes in the wood, to sink them. (laughs)

Matt Rife 15:26 Yup. Which-

Joe Rogan 15:27 And you're out in the middle of the ocean.

Matt Rife 15:29 Which would you rather had to have, like, done in that situation? Would you rather rely on the cannons, or would you hope they get close enough that you had to battle it out hand-to-hand? I like my odds hand-to-hand. I don't trust the ship.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Both suck.

Matt Rife 15:40 Yeah, they're not ideal.

Joe Rogan 15:40 'Cause it depends on numbers. It depends on, you know-

Matt Rife 15:43 Experience.

Joe Rogan 15:44 ... ha- have you had food lately, you know?

Matt Rife 15:46 It's a good point.

Joe Rogan 15:47 Have you, have you been starving for the last week and a half.

Matt Rife 15:49 That's a damn good point.

Joe Rogan 15:49 And then all of a sudden you get hit by pirates. There was a lot of those guys, like, barely made it.

Matt Rife 15:54 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 15:55 Like, they, they g- they got across to land, wherever they were going, in those ships back then, and they barely made it.

Matt Rife 15:59 Just vanished.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Like, people died on those things all the time.

Matt Rife 16:02 Oh, yeah. That's impressive.

Joe Rogan 16:04 Yeah.

Matt Rife 16:04 And also the ocean's fucking terrifying.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Terrifying.

Matt Rife 16:05 You ever seen the videos of, like, these giant ships in the middle of the ocean just getting-

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah.

Matt Rife 16:09 ... vertical on these waves? That's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 16:12 And they were just ... They'd ... Their food was nothing. They-

Matt Rife 16:15 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:15 It was garbage. They got scurvy. They got all kinds of diseases.

Matt Rife 16:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:19 There was rats on board. The rats were carrying fleas that carried diseases. Like, ugh.

Matt Rife 16:24 No. I, I don't think I coulda made it for sure.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Fuck.

Matt Rife 16:26 I would've stayed in England for sure.

Joe Rogan 16:28 And by the time you get there, you're so worn out.

Matt Rife 16:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Like, I don't know how long it takes by sailboat to get from England to America. Like, how much ... How long does that take?

Matt Rife 16:38 Was it just sail back then too?

Joe Rogan 16:39 Or you get from Spain. Yes.

Matt Rife 16:40 Fuck, yeah. There's no propeller.

Joe Rogan 16:41 Nothing.

Matt Rife 16:42 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:42 No propellers.

Matt Rife 16:42 I never even registered that. Holy shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:44 Those people were so gangster. Those people were so gangster. They didn't even know what was over there. They thought they were in India.

Matt Rife 16:51 That's so fucking funny.

Joe Rogan 16:53 Bro, they thought that they were in India.

Matt Rife 16:55 (laughs) It's so wrong.

Joe Rogan 16:58 (laughs)

Matt Rife 16:58 And they kept calling people the wrong thing.

Joe Rogan 16:59 They kept calli- ... It's so funny.

Matt Rife 17:01 To this day, we call them the wrong thing.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Sailing from New York City to London takes about six nights and seven days depending on your speed. That's because of the famous royal places, Big Ben, and double-decker buses of London. Yeah, but I don't think that that's today.

Matt Rife 17:13 I don't buy that. I thought it took, like, weeks.

Joe Rogan 17:15 I think that's today.... um, the, uh, the edition mentions, "Typical passage from New York to the English Channel for a well-found sailing vessel of about 2,000 tons was around 25 to 30 days, with ships logging 100 to 150 miles per day on average." That's not that bad.

Matt Rife 17:32 No, that's, that... I believe that number.

Joe Rogan 17:34 Yeah, 30 days is pretty, pretty good.

Matt Rife 17:36 I mean, that's still so uncomfortable. You ever had to be-

Joe Rogan 17:38 That's if everything goes well.

Matt Rife 17:39 Oh, yeah. Do you ever seen that, that video going around recently of those, um potential mermaids-

Joe Rogan 17:45 So back-

Matt Rife 17:45 ... on the side of that ship in the middle of the ocean?

Joe Rogan 17:46 Um, no.

Matt Rife 17:47 What?

Joe Rogan 17:47 What are you talking about?

Matt Rife 17:48 Are you serious?

Joe Rogan 17:48 Potential mermaids?

Matt Rife 17:50 Ja- Jamie, you know what I'm talking about?

Narrator 17:50 I've seen it. I saw it on Tiktok. It's a Tiktok thing.

Joe Rogan 17:51 Is this some CGI non- CGI nonsense?

Narrator 17:53 There is like a sailor... a guy sailing on the back of the ship, and you can hear s- moans, right? Sort of.

Joe Rogan 18:00 Oh, God. (laughs)

Matt Rife 18:00 So there's like, it's, it's just a dude on li- on a blurry cellphone video. It, it, it looks like a good cellphone video. And there's these things that are, like, racing on the side of the boat, that are going the same speed as the boat. And it's... uh, there's like, there's like a tail or something trailing behind them, and this keeps up for hours. And then you start to hear whistling.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Let me see this nonsense.

Narrator 18:21 Yeah, I kind of did.

Matt Rife 18:21 You hear tunes. Is that... you hear-

Joe Rogan 18:21 I need to see this nonsense.

Matt Rife 18:22 You hear what sounds like one of them say, "Jump for me."

Joe Rogan 18:25 Oh, God.

Matt Rife 18:25 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 18:26 How do you think this is real? There's no way this is real. Imagine if both of it is.

Narrator 18:29 That's how dumb I'm being.

Joe Rogan 18:29 This is like the beginning of a movie, right? You and I are having this podcast.

Matt Rife 18:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:32 We're being super skeptical. And then in the movie, you find out there has been a very small group of mermaids that have existed in the ocean, hiding from humanity, because we on- have only discovered now 10% of the ocean. Before I go, is, is this-

Matt Rife 18:45 This is a fun world to live in.

Narrator 18:46 Is it this one?

Joe Rogan 18:47 Yeah (laughs) .

Narrator 18:47 Which is why-

Matt Rife 18:47 Yeah, this guy.

Narrator 18:48 All right, so this video is a couple years old, but...

Joe Rogan 18:50 Oh, okay.

Narrator 18:51 No fucking way. (laughs) Wait. I just threw this overboard. Y'all saw me throw it overboard. This... are you fucking kidding me? That, that did not just-

Joe Rogan 19:02 So what is this guy saying?

Narrator 19:03 He's got a couple videos.

19:04 Hello, sign. We just out here. Good chillin'.

19:05 Seems like he's spent a lot of time out in the water, you know?

Matt Rife 19:07 Uh, that looks like... mm.

Joe Rogan 19:09 So where are the mermaids?

Matt Rife 19:11 Hey, this is a much longer video than I've ever seen. Well, that was one of the sounds.

Narrator 19:15 Ready? Here it go. (boat roaring) There you go.

Matt Rife 19:26 You hear the, "Jump for me"?

Narrator 19:28 Ah. That's crazy.

19:35 That's-

Joe Rogan 19:36 I didn't hear, "Jump for me." Did you hear, "Jump for me," Jamie?

Narrator 19:39 No, specifically.

Matt Rife 19:39 Uh, it's one of those things that somebody-

Joe Rogan 19:41 I heard, "Wait."

Matt Rife 19:41 ... somebody, uh, you know, somebody dubbed... uh, somebody did the subtitles for it one time, and that always makes your brain register it a little bit easier. Um...

Narrator 19:48 He just has a few videos like this. I've, in the past, seen them.

Joe Rogan 19:50 But where's the video of the mermaids, bro?

Matt Rife 19:52 Yeah, it, it was, it was a part of the same one we were just watching, where you heard, like, the squeal.

Joe Rogan 19:56 So in there, there's a mermaid?

Narrator 19:57 (mermaid squealing)

Matt Rife 19:58 Yeah, I think it's before this. Uh, it's-

Narrator 20:00 This one might've cut it off. 'Cause this... what I have found is that, uh, like smash cut of a few videos this guy made.

20:07 (mermaid squealing)

Joe Rogan 20:08 That sounded like a whale.

Matt Rife 20:09 Yeah, this is like a com- this is like a compilation. You know what? It could've been a whale.

Joe Rogan 20:12 (laughs)

Matt Rife 20:13 It could've been.

Joe Rogan 20:14 No.

Matt Rife 20:15 Easily, easily changed my mind.

Joe Rogan 20:16 No, bro. It was definitely mermaids, bro.

Matt Rife 20:18 You know what whales do make that sound? As a matter of fact-

Joe Rogan 20:20 They do. They make exactly that sound.

Matt Rife 20:21 It also could've been a fat mermaid. We don't know.

Joe Rogan 20:24 I just don't... whenever one dude in multiple videos is encountering mermaids, I get suspicious.

Matt Rife 20:32 But here's... this... you know what?

Joe Rogan 20:33 (laughs)

Matt Rife 20:33 Your, your reaction right now is why I love to believe in ghosts, aliens, cryptids, Bigfoot, mermaids, all that kinda shit, because ima- imagine this shit is real.

Joe Rogan 20:42 I know.

Matt Rife 20:42 Imagine this dude had a real experience, right?

Joe Rogan 20:44 I love the idea of all of those things you just mentioned.

Matt Rife 20:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:47 I really do. I love the idea.

Matt Rife 20:48 Really?

Joe Rogan 20:48 Yeah.

Matt Rife 20:49 Oh, I love that you love that stuff.

Joe Rogan 20:50 I lo- I fucking love nonsense. I, I got so high once, I watched the Patterson Bigfoot footage. I was like, "Oh my God, what if it's real?" What if I've been an asshole making fun of this thing forever, when it's actually really a Bigfoot?

Matt Rife 21:02 Yeah. And I imagine you've encou- you've had that encounter, and the rest of the world thinks you're a fucking psychopath.

Joe Rogan 21:06 That would-

Matt Rife 21:07 That would feel so lonely.

Joe Rogan 21:08 But that, that moment only lasted like 15 minutes. The weed wore off a little bit.

Matt Rife 21:12 (laughs)

Narrator 21:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:12 I was like, "That shit is so fake."

Narrator 21:13 This was a similar one. I don't know if you know anything about this, Matt.

Joe Rogan 21:15 I haven't seen this.

Narrator 21:16 So this guy... so people... I've seen this video multiple times. Supposedly, this guy saw a giant on the side of a hill.

Joe Rogan 21:21 A giant?

Narrator 21:22 Yeah, I'm trying to find it, where it is. So like, it's something like this, I think.

Matt Rife 21:27 (laughs) It's so high.

Narrator 21:27 He thought he saw it, so he goes back and like he's looking for it. It looks like it's someone walking on the side of a hill. The perspective is very strange. Let me change the angle.

Joe Rogan 21:34 That's a... the giant one is a fascinating one.

Narrator 21:37 But then the guy disappears. So he's making a bunch of videos on Tiktok, and then he just disappeared, and everyone's like, "Well, what the fuck happened to this guy?"

Matt Rife 21:42 Wait, I didn't... I don't know if I saw anything in the video.

Narrator 21:44 Where's the v-

Joe Rogan 21:44 When was that?

Narrator 21:45 So-

Joe Rogan 21:45 Where's the giant?

Narrator 21:46 This is also like a an- a guy's making an, uh, edit about this whole story. This um-

Joe Rogan 21:51 Right.

Narrator 21:51 I'm trying to find this very specific video, where he's trying to find the giant.

Joe Rogan 21:53 So he's driving in his truck and he sees a giant?

Narrator 21:55 Yeah, he's driving in the truck and he sees something on the side of this hill, and I don't know if, on this specific one, you can see it.

Joe Rogan 22:00 Like how big of a giant?

Narrator 22:01 That's what it's hard to tell, because it's this... like look how far away he is.

Matt Rife 22:03 I mean, that looks, it looks far as shit. But I also don't see anything.

Narrator 22:06 Yeah, and then it looks... the one you can find... I'll try to find it while I'm talking, but-

Joe Rogan 22:08 What are you s- what are you looking at? Do you see something there?

Matt Rife 22:10 I don't see anything.

Narrator 22:11 I don't... again-

Joe Rogan 22:12 There's someone moving there?

Narrator 22:13 I'm trying to find the very specific thing, but there is a very... it looks just like this, and you can see a person. Like you can see the silhouette of a person on the side of that hill. It's weird, from this far away, you could see that. That's why they call it a giant.

Matt Rife 22:23 I'm gonna be completely honest, I don't know what I'm looking at in that video.

Joe Rogan 22:25 Yeah.

Narrator 22:26 I, uh-

Matt Rife 22:26 'Cause like I saw the zoom in, but the zoom was in the sky.

Joe Rogan 22:29 It doesn't make sense to me either. I'm looking at it, I'm like, "I don't see shit." Like where's this supposed to be this person?

Matt Rife 22:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:35 Uh, these peoples... it's like s- blob squatches. That's one of the things that Bigfoot hunters, they just start seeing shadows that look like Sasquatch, and then they're convinced.

Matt Rife 22:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:43 And then they convince themselves.

Matt Rife 22:44 Dude, the fact that that show has been on for so fucking long.

Joe Rogan 22:47 They're still finding Bigfoot, bro.

Matt Rife 22:48 Dude, how do you-

Joe Rogan 22:49 They're working really hard.

Matt Rife 22:50 How do you get renewed with no results?

Narrator 22:52 Here's a picture of what the video is, just as a stills- shot.

Matt Rife 22:55 Oh, okay. I mean...

Narrator 22:56 So you saw, you saw that.

Joe Rogan 22:57 Yeah.

Matt Rife 22:57 That could... that... the pers- I don't know-

Joe Rogan 22:59 It's a perspective thing.

Matt Rife 23:01 Yeah, I don't know how far away that zoom is.

Joe Rogan 23:03 Yeah, I mean that could be a six-foot-tall dude up there.

Matt Rife 23:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 That-

Matt Rife 23:07 I mean, also humans are six foot seven, seven foot sometimes.

Joe Rogan 23:11 Yeah, that's not that big.

Narrator 23:12 So they're claiming this guy died actually, apparently.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Oh, shit. Oh, no.

Narrator 23:15 The mountain guy up there?

Joe Rogan 23:16 Okay, well apparently he... now he says... all right, I didn't... this is an update. This video was only posted recently.

Matt Rife 23:20 Okay. Admission it was a hoax?

Narrator 23:22 He said uh, it was a hoax and then he died.

Matt Rife 23:23 Oh, you... (gasps)

Joe Rogan 23:25 ... oh, he made an admission the video was a hoax, and then he died.

Matt Rife 23:28 I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't know about that part. Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Oh, well, it's probably unrelated.

Matt Rife 23:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:31 The type of person who's out there hoaxing giant videos is probably doing a lot of wild shit.

Matt Rife 23:36 I would imagine so.

Narrator 23:37 That's what my point on TikTok was.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Yeah.

Narrator 23:37 I think a lot of people are doing that, making these hoax things of, like, mermaids or-

Joe Rogan 23:40 I'm sure.

Matt Rife 23:41 Now, that's a product of DMT, for sure.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Of course. That's how it goes viral. You gotta fake things. There's a lot of people faking things, for sure.

Matt Rife 23:48 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 23:49 But there was... Oh, the Bigfoot ones were s- some of the Bigfoot fakes were so bad.

Matt Rife 23:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:54 There was one on The Les Stroud Show where the guy was, like, so obviously wearing a mask. It was, like, a closeup on a guy wearing a mask. It's so embarrassing. It's so bad.

Matt Rife 24:03 At least try.

Joe Rogan 24:04 Yeah.

Matt Rife 24:05 Like, make some kinda compelling case.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yeah. Well, Les Stroud is the shit. The, you know, uh, Survivor Man, that guy's awesome.

Narrator 24:11 Who's this?

Joe Rogan 24:12 That guy did legit things. He's the guy that... You ever see that show, Survivor Man?

Matt Rife 24:16 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 24:16 Oh, my God, that show was amazing.

Matt Rife 24:17 When was this on?

Joe Rogan 24:19 He used to go... Like, it was a while back. And he used to go legitimately by himself with a very limited amount of tools and he would live in wild places.

Matt Rife 24:28 I love that.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Like really dangerous places, and figure his way out and survive. And, you know, a lot of times, like, you could see on the show, he was losing, like, 15 pounds.

Matt Rife 24:37 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Like, got really sick, got injured.

Matt Rife 24:39 You watch that show Alone on Netflix?

Joe Rogan 24:41 Yeah. It's, it's similar. But this was, like, one guy with his own cameras doing this everywhere.

Matt Rife 24:47 Mm-hmm. So cool.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yeah. That's why I like other shows like... Remember when Bear Grylls had a show?

Matt Rife 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:51 There, there's, like, multiple camera people-

Matt Rife 24:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:53 ... and they're filming him doing wild things.

Matt Rife 24:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:54 It's like, that's what they wanted to do with him.

Matt Rife 24:56 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 24:56 And, and Les is like, "Uh-uh."

Matt Rife 24:58 "No, I do the real thing."

Joe Rogan 24:59 Like, "This is the real thing." So Les is, uh, obsessed with Bigfoot too, so he went looking for Bigfoot. But there was... You know, on one of the episodes, they're looking at this footage, and then I'm looking at footage that, that looks to me like a guy in a monkey suit.

Matt Rife 25:12 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 25:12 It look... See if you can find it.

Narrator 25:15 Uh, which one?

Joe Rogan 25:16 It's Les Stroud, uh, Bigfoot footage.

Narrator 25:18 Oh, Bigfoot.

Joe Rogan 25:18 It's very controversial, 'cause the guy who claimed to have ca- captured the video is very controversial. Imagine if it's, it's real, I mean, and everybody's just, like disparaging you, and you literally saw a Bigfoot foot.

Matt Rife 25:29 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 25:29 That would drive you nuts.

Matt Rife 25:30 You shit your pants, man.

Narrator 25:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:33 Yeah, but watch this. Put it up.

Narrator 25:34 You know what? Just as I'm looking for it, he's looking for him again recently.

Matt Rife 25:36 No.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Les is looking for it again recently?

Narrator 25:38 Yeah. Like, he's got a video from a month ago in North Texas.

Matt Rife 25:39 And then you get s- but then you have to have a conversation if... Is it-

Joe Rogan 25:41 Well, here's the thing though.

Narrator 25:42 No.

Matt Rife 25:42 Is it one?

Joe Rogan 25:43 If it's real. If it's real and he's right, then we look stupid. But, um...

Matt Rife 25:49 Is there one?

Joe Rogan 25:50 There's-

Matt Rife 25:50 Or is it a species?

Joe Rogan 25:51 Bro, there's so many people out there in the wild. You know who doesn't see Bigfoot?

Matt Rife 25:54 Who?

Joe Rogan 25:55 Hunters. The people that are really out there in the wild, they're not having these experiences. The people that are having these experiences... (laughs)

Matt Rife 26:04 It's a damn good point.

Joe Rogan 26:05 Y- you know, it's just... And there's also a thing about bears. Bears walk on two legs all the time.

Matt Rife 26:11 Do they really?

Joe Rogan 26:11 All the time.

Matt Rife 26:12 Oh. Like grizzly bears?

Joe Rogan 26:14 Especially black bears.

Matt Rife 26:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 26:15 Especially black bears. There's hours of footage of black bears walking on two legs.

Matt Rife 26:22 That's fucking terrifying.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Just walking through the woods on two legs. I've seen it-

Matt Rife 26:25 I've seen, I've s- there's a hundred videos of that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 I've seen it in person with my own eyes. I've watched a black bear stand on his two legs and walk.

Matt Rife 26:33 How tall can they get on, uh, can a black bear get?

Joe Rogan 26:35 Seven, eight feet?

Matt Rife 26:36 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 26:37 They're big animals, man.

Matt Rife 26:38 Oh, yeah. I think a grizzly bear is the number one thing I'm afraid of, like, in the world.

Joe Rogan 26:42 They should, that should be right up there.

Matt Rife 26:44 Massive.

Joe Rogan 26:44 They're a massive killing machine.

Matt Rife 26:45 They are hu-... I remember being a kid and seeing... They had the, at the Columbus Zoo, they have an exhibit there where you can go inside their cave, 'cause that's where they spend most their time there.

Joe Rogan 26:54 Yeah.

Matt Rife 26:54 And you can see them up against the glass, and laying down. It's, like, four and a half feet, five feet tall.

Joe Rogan 26:59 What is this one?

Narrator 27:00 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Bigfoot cli-... Oh, they're from 2013. Is this the one? So there's one when... No. There's one where there's, like, a closeup on Bigfoot's face.

Narrator 27:09 Oh, so that, yeah. But I can't find the one where he's walking. Or I can't even find videos that's on there.

Joe Rogan 27:12 That's it, right down there.

Narrator 27:13 I know, but it's not... It's just a picture of him, so...

Joe Rogan 27:14 Okay. But look at that picture. (laughs)

Matt Rife 27:16 Oh, my God. No.

Joe Rogan 27:19 (laughs)

Matt Rife 27:20 No.

Joe Rogan 27:20 But when you see it-

Matt Rife 27:20 It looks like Teen Wolf.

Joe Rogan 27:21 When you see it in the show, like, it's like the guy zooms in on it, he gets a closeup. It's like Bigfoot's just staring back at us.

Matt Rife 27:30 (laughs) He's too posed.

Joe Rogan 27:30 Like, all these years, Bigfoot's been shy, but Bigfoot's like, "You know what? It's time to let these motherfuckers know."

Matt Rife 27:34 Yeah. "You get the shot."

Joe Rogan 27:35 "It's time to let these motherfuckers know."

Narrator 27:37 I was trying to find it. I thought that's what you wanted, but I couldn't find it.

Joe Rogan 27:39 It's the... That's the, that is the video.

Narrator 27:41 It's just a section of it.

Matt Rife 27:41 It's so... Which one of these was Joey's? Was it this one?

Joe Rogan 27:44 Uh, this one right here.

Narrator 27:45 Yeah.

Matt Rife 27:45 This one?

Joe Rogan 27:45 Yep.

Matt Rife 27:45 I'ma spark that back up. Um.

Narrator 27:48 Mm. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 27:49 It's just... If it, if it i-... I mean, imagine if it is real. Imagine if that video's real. Right? But it doesn't look real.

Narrator 27:56 Rip my nose.

Joe Rogan 27:56 In, in my limited experience, most things that look fake are fake. (laughs) That looks fake as fuck. (laughs) Oh, damn it.

Matt Rife 28:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:08 That looks fake as fuck. Look, his hair looks perfect. Look, it's nice and slicked back. Recently applied-

Matt Rife 28:13 It's so perfect.

Joe Rogan 28:14 ... recently applied hair.

Narrator 28:15 Yeah.

Matt Rife 28:15 That literally looks like Michael J. Fox in Teen Wolf.

Joe Rogan 28:17 He looks clean.

Narrator 28:19 (laughs)

Matt Rife 28:19 Looks way too clean. That's exact... If that was a homeless dude, wouldn't give him money. There's no way.

Joe Rogan 28:23 Or if it was a bear. Like, bear hair looks different than that. Everything looks different than that.

Matt Rife 28:27 I don't wanna meet a bear up close. That's fucking terrifying.

Joe Rogan 28:29 Yeah, they're a terrifying animal. But the thing is, like, when people... Like, uh, find video of bears walking on two legs, Jamie. I just want you to imagine is- it's dusk, okay? And you're in the Pacific Northwest. So you're in this-

Matt Rife 28:42 Do you want to hear this?

Joe Rogan 28:42 Sure. You're in this-

Matt Rife 28:43 It's not great.

Joe Rogan 28:44 ... thickly wooded area, where it's, like, literally, like, a box of Q-tips.

Matt Rife 28:50 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 28:51 That's what the trees are like.

Matt Rife 28:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:52 They're stacked in there. Have you ever been in the Pacific Northwest? Like-

Matt Rife 28:55 Yeah, I love it up there.

Joe Rogan 28:55 ... the mountains up there? Beautiful, right? The rainforest?

Matt Rife 28:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:58 Now, that's where a lot of sightings are. It's also where a lot of bears are. Now, look at this. Look at this motherfucker. Look at this bear.

Matt Rife 29:06 That literally looks like a guy in a costume.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah.

Matt Rife 29:07 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 29:11 I mean, what-

Narrator 29:11 Also that China sun bear that went viral, that people thought was like a guy in a costume too.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Right.

Matt Rife 29:13 I will say, no swinging arms, though. That would be the only sign that would make me think, ah, bear or not bear.

Joe Rogan 29:21 That bear had a wound though. That bear was a bear that was missing one of its paws. One of the, probably-

Matt Rife 29:26 Aw.

Joe Rogan 29:27 One of the other bears probably bit his paw off.... I saw a monkey in Costa Rica that had its hand bitten off, and, uh, I was like, "Wow, what do you think happened to his hand?" And the, the guy we were with is like, "Oh, another monkey bit it off." I was like, "Really?" He went, "Yeah, probably when he was a baby." I'm like, "Really?" Like, holy shit.

Matt Rife 29:46 Didn't somebody have their hands pulled off by a chimpanzee?

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yes.

Matt Rife 29:50 That's fucking terrifying.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Yeah.

Matt Rife 29:53 They're so (laughs) strong, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:55 They're so strong. We can't even imagine. They're so strong and they're so aware of the things you want, like your fingers. They bite your fingers off. It's one of the first things they do.

Matt Rife 30:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 30:02 Yeah.

Matt Rife 30:03 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Yeah, when chimpanzees attack you, they bit your fingers off-

Matt Rife 30:06 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 30:06 ... 'cause they know without your fingers, you can't protect yourself. And that's part of what makes you a person. They also grab your dick. They rip your dick off.

Matt Rife 30:13 No, they don't.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Yes, they do. They bite your face off. They tear your eyes out. Yeah, they're not trying to kill you.

Matt Rife 30:17 Diabolical.

Joe Rogan 30:18 They're trying to rip you apart. They're not even trying to kill you. They're trying to torture you. Yeah.

Matt Rife 30:23 That is the most caveman shit I've ever heard of.

Joe Rogan 30:26 It's far beyond. They're, they're so different than us, but yet so similar. Have you ever seen Chimp Nation on, uh, Netflix?

Matt Rife 30:32 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 30:33 You gotta watch it. It's wild.

Narrator 30:35 The lady.

Joe Rogan 30:35 'Cause, um... What's up?

Narrator 30:36 The picture of the lady after they attacked her.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Oh, don't show me.

Narrator 30:39 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Don't show me it.

Matt Rife 30:40 Can I see it?

Joe Rogan 30:41 Okay.

Narrator 30:41 (laughs)

Matt Rife 30:41 Oh, fuck. I'm sorry.

Narrator 30:42 I won't show it to you then.

Joe Rogan 30:43 It's okay. Just put it on, put it on the screen. He can look at it.

Narrator 30:46 Yeah. Uh.

Joe Rogan 30:46 I don't wanna see this lady's face. This was the lady that her friend had a chimpanzee that was a pet. And she, um-

Matt Rife 30:54 That's what she did look like?

Joe Rogan 30:55 She went to, she went to visit the lady, and the chimp tore her face apart.

Matt Rife 31:00 (gasps) Oh. She looks like a belly button.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Yeah. He tore her face apart.

Matt Rife 31:04 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Yeah. They... And he was just upset at her 'cause she was cock-blocking him.

Matt Rife 31:10 Shut up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:11 Yeah.

Matt Rife 31:12 No.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Yeah, yeah. She used to sleep with the chimpanzee. She gave the chimpanzee Xanax and wine. And this lady was nuts.

Matt Rife 31:18 Oh, yeah. This was, this was... Was this Michael Jackson's monkey that's living the best life ever?

Joe Rogan 31:22 It was way worse, though, 'cause it was a full-grown male. And it was really big. It was, like, 200 pounds 'cause it was, like, eating well.

Matt Rife 31:29 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 31:29 How big was the chimpanzee when, when they shot it?

Narrator 31:32 It says, "Tiny chimp had been left alone with his mother." Oh, sorry. I shot that.

Joe Rogan 31:37 No, that's not the same one. The one that tore that lady apart was big.

Narrator 31:41 Yeah, this one actually said it was a friend.

Joe Rogan 31:43 It had a diaper on.

Narrator 31:43 It wasn't the people who owned it. It was the couple's friend.

Matt Rife 31:46 Are there-

Joe Rogan 31:47 It wasn't the people who owned it what?

Narrator 31:49 This says that... Oh, the one I'm looking at right now?

Joe Rogan 31:51 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 31:51 It says, uh, "He snapped and attacked a couple's friend."

Matt Rife 31:55 Fuck. Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 31:57 So, he didn't even attack someone who had seen the chimp before?

Narrator 32:00 I don't... Sorry.

Joe Rogan 32:00 As a new person?

Narrator 32:01 I don't know if it was their first time meeting. I was trying to, uh, catch up to that, to, like, what happened in there.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Oh.

Narrator 32:05 Make sure this was the same one we're talking about. I mean, it didn't happen many times, but...

Joe Rogan 32:08 They've had... There's been quite a few chimpanzee attacks. One of them was really horrible. This guy was a, uh, guy who had the chimp as a pet and raised it, but it got too big and they couldn't take it anymore, so they brought it to a chimpanzee shelter. And, uh, it was his birthday, so they brought a cake for the chimp for his birthday.

Matt Rife 32:25 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 32:26 And the other chimps were so jealous that he got a cake and they didn't, that they got out of the cage and tore the guy apart.

Matt Rife 32:35 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 32:35 Yeah, because chimps get very, very jealous.

Matt Rife 32:37 The fact that they can even, like-

Joe Rogan 32:40 Very jealous. I know, th- that not only that, but they-

Matt Rife 32:41 ...process that emotion of jealousy.

Joe Rogan 32:42 But they figure... They also-

Matt Rife 32:43 It's such a human emotion.

Joe Rogan 32:44 ... knew how to get out of the cage somehow or another.

Matt Rife 32:47 So, they probably knew the whole time.

Joe Rogan 32:49 I don't know. I mean, I don't know if somebody fucked up and left something open, and they noticed it, and then d- tore the guy apart.

Matt Rife 32:55 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 32:55 It could've been in the process of when they were getting the other chimp out, so they give him the cake, that they saw this and...

Matt Rife 33:01 Jesus Christ.

Narrator 33:02 It says she knew the chimp, but...

Joe Rogan 33:03 She knew the chimp, yeah.

Narrator 33:05 She came out with a Tickle Me Elmo, and the chimp lunged at her.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Oh, god.

Matt Rife 33:09 Oh.

Narrator 33:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:10 Oh, my god.

Matt Rife 33:12 Fucking hates Sesame Street.

Narrator 33:13 They hit him with a spade, stabbed him.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Oh, it was the, it was the chimp's favorite toy.

Matt Rife 33:18 Oh.

Joe Rogan 33:19 She tried to steal his favorite toy.

Matt Rife 33:21 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 33:22 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Narrator 33:25 It's made of...

Joe Rogan 33:25 Oh, no. Oh, my god.

Narrator 33:28 He's eating her, it says.

Matt Rife 33:30 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 33:30 Oh, my-

Matt Rife 33:30 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 33:33 ... god. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.

Matt Rife 33:36 That is fucking brutal.

Joe Rogan 33:37 How big was the chimp?

Narrator 33:39 Um...

Joe Rogan 33:40 'Cause there's photos of him. See if you could see the photo-

Matt Rife 33:43 Jesus.

Narrator 33:44 Yeah. It's right here. I mean, this doesn't show the exact size.

Joe Rogan 33:46 No, that's him when he's a tiny baby. Um, but is there any, um, photos of him as a full-grown male?

Narrator 33:53 I do.

Joe Rogan 33:53 'Cause I know there is of him with a diaper on.

Narrator 33:56 Uh, let me Google then.

Joe Rogan 33:57 Like, he would wear a diaper 'cause otherwise he would just shit everywhere. Just, you know...

Matt Rife 34:01 Almost domesticated.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Yeah, well, I think he's like, "I, I run this house."

Matt Rife 34:05 "I'll shit wherever I want."

Joe Rogan 34:06 "I'll take a shit right here. This is a living room. There's plenty of room in here."

Matt Rife 34:09 Is there any kind of...

Joe Rogan 34:11 Is that him?

Narrator 34:11 It says it's Travis the chimp.

Matt Rife 34:13 God damn.

Narrator 34:14 That's the picture that comes up.

Joe Rogan 34:15 He was massive, dude.

Matt Rife 34:15 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:16 Massive. There's a photo of them walk... The lady walking with him.

Matt Rife 34:21 (laughs) That's one of the fattest chimps I've ever seen.

Joe Rogan 34:23 There was a photo of her when you get to see, like, the perspective of the full-grown chimp next to a human. Like, God... It's just a sack of muscle. Is that him up there with it circled?

Narrator 34:35 It... I couldn't tell. It doesn't... Just looks like a...

Matt Rife 34:38 No, it looks like, like a-

Narrator 34:40 It might have been.

Matt Rife 34:40 ... like, one of those drive-through...

Narrator 34:41 It's, like, trying to get in the car or something.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Yeah, look... Does look like one of those.

Matt Rife 34:44 Jesus.

Narrator 34:45 But it says it's a 911 call from the chimp attack, and that was describing the same thing. It's like a... Came out. He's trying to get-

Joe Rogan 34:49 Oh, that might be him out there.

Narrator 34:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 34:51 Oh, look at the cop cars.

Matt Rife 34:52 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Yeah.

Matt Rife 34:53 Can you imagine being the cop showing up? You don't know how to handle this fucking thing.

Joe Rogan 34:57 Not only that, he might rip the door right off the fucking car-

Matt Rife 35:00 Think he could?

Joe Rogan 35:00 ... like, it's made out of cardboard.

Matt Rife 35:02 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 35:03 He definitely could put his hand right through that window. 100%. A guy can put his hand through a window.

Matt Rife 35:09 Like, do you think you even try to tase that? You think that does anything?

Joe Rogan 35:13 Yes. Tasing would work. Bullets-

Matt Rife 35:15 You think so? 'Cause I've seen humans take a-

Joe Rogan 35:17 Bullets is what you do. You use bullets.

Matt Rife 35:19 Yeah, you have to.

Joe Rogan 35:19 If the fucking chimp is eating people's faces-

Matt Rife 35:22 But, man...

Joe Rogan 35:22 ... and you, you see him on the street, you gotta, you gotta put that motherfucker down.

Matt Rife 35:26 (laughs) If you miss?

Joe Rogan 35:27 Isn't that crazy? It was over a... She was taking his toy. How the fuck did she not know that that was his?

Matt Rife 35:33 I don't think she just registered how...... you know how primal-

Joe Rogan 35:36 prone dogs get with their toys?

Matt Rife 35:38 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 35:38 And dogs are trained. You're not training a chimp.

Matt Rife 35:41 She could've been picking it up to give it to him.

Joe Rogan 35:44 (inhales deeply) I think he said she was leaving with it.

Matt Rife 35:45 Oh. Well, also, why the fuck are you taking the toy in the first place?

Joe Rogan 35:48 She's... Maybe she was trying to fuck with him. Maybe we're not... You know? Maybe there was, like, some thing going on where she didn't like it.

Matt Rife 35:53 Has anyone taken this stance from the, from the monkey's side?

Joe Rogan 35:57 No. Well, the monk- the chimp plays for keeps.

Matt Rife 35:59 (laughs) Oh, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 36:01 Taking the Elmo doll means you don't have a face anymore.

Matt Rife 36:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:04 It's just, whoa. Like... (laughs)

Matt Rife 36:06 Is there, is there an exotic animal that if you had the means to do it properly-

Joe Rogan 36:10 No.

Matt Rife 36:10 ... you would want as a pet?

Joe Rogan 36:11 No. I don't... I like pets as pets. I've, I un- I appreciate wild animals for what they are, and I think there's something real weird about owning them. And if you want to, I'm not say- I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to, but there's something fucking very strange.

Matt Rife 36:26 I want a pet otter.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Yeah, that's very strange.

Matt Rife 36:28 B- but they're fucking adorable.

Joe Rogan 36:30 Right. But wouldn't it be cooler if you saw an otter in a river, and he's out there chilling, doing otter things?

Matt Rife 36:36 Yeah, I suppose so.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Catching his own fish and eating them. (clicks tongue)

Matt Rife 36:40 (clicks tongue) Cracking the fucking clams on their chest and shit. The cutest things.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Cutest. Holding that fish and fucking eating his head.

Matt Rife 36:46 (clicks tongue) I know. I Dutch want to pet one so bad.

Joe Rogan 36:48 You see that lady's face who got fucked up by an otter?

Matt Rife 36:50 Somebody was telling me about this. Is there a photo?

Joe Rogan 36:52 Yeah.

Matt Rife 36:53 Oh, we-

Joe Rogan 36:53 Yeah.

Matt Rife 36:53 Uh, Jane, I'm sorry to make you keep br- bringing up gruesome shit, but I gotta see this, 'cause I- it's an unhealthy obsession I have with otters.

Joe Rogan 37:00 I don't know what happened.

Narrator 37:01 I- I don't think this is as bad.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Well, Jesus Christ.

Narrator 37:04 I mean, come on.

Joe Rogan 37:04 It's not as bad as the chimp.

Narrator 37:05 Yeah, no, that's okay.

Joe Rogan 37:06 But she got fucked up-

Matt Rife 37:07 Oh, yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 37:07 ... by an otter, dude.

Matt Rife 37:08 Small. I've seen cats do worse. That's fine.

Joe Rogan 37:10 Yeah, but that's an, a fucking wild animal in your fa- dude, if a squirrel was trying to fuck you up, you'd be scared.

Matt Rife 37:15 But look how cute he is.

Narrator 37:17 He's so cute.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Look, they're very adorable.

Matt Rife 37:18 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 37:19 They're absolutely adorable.

Matt Rife 37:20 Little sea weasels.

Joe Rogan 37:22 Yeah, they're cute. Like, if they were really domesticated, I mean, I don't know if you can domest- I don't, I don't really, I really know nothing about domesticating otters. But if that's possible-

Matt Rife 37:32 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 37:32 ... I think they'd be the cutest pets ever.

Matt Rife 37:33 I'll find out.

Joe Rogan 37:34 They're adorable.

Matt Rife 37:35 I'm gonna let you... Have you seen the videos of, like, them showing humans how to pet them?

Joe Rogan 37:38 Yes.

Matt Rife 37:39 That's the cutest shit ever, dude.

Joe Rogan 37:40 That's pretty fucking cute. That's pretty fucking cute.

Matt Rife 37:43 I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna do my research.

Joe Rogan 37:45 If that's really what they're like if you domesticate them, that's pretty cool.

Matt Rife 37:48 I-

Joe Rogan 37:48 I bet, I bet you can't have an aquarium.

Matt Rife 37:51 (inhales deeply) Or you can, and treat this motherfucker to a, to a buffet-

Joe Rogan 37:56 (laughs) That's what it would be.

Matt Rife 37:57 ... whenever you want, man. All you can eat salad bar, dog.

Joe Rogan 37:59 That's, that's what it would be.

Narrator 38:00 He's got a big ol' baby who's biting-

Matt Rife 38:00 That'd be my ideal house, is like this-

Narrator 38:02 What's that?

Joe Rogan 38:03 Biting and ripping.

Matt Rife 38:04 Oh, but like puppies do that, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:06 Yeah, but... Yeah, puppies do that.

Narrator 38:07 How are you gonna teach an otter?

Matt Rife 38:08 Maybe they're s- maybe they're smarter than we think.

Joe Rogan 38:11 I don't know, man. I- maybe it's just a thing they do when they're scared. Maybe that person was treating him wrong.

Matt Rife 38:15 Yeah. I've seen people miss-

Joe Rogan 38:17 Who knows?

Matt Rife 38:17 You ever see somebody who, like, thinks they're really gentle with animals, but they're so not? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:21 They're rough, yeah.

Matt Rife 38:22 They pet dogs like... (slaps hands)

Joe Rogan 38:23 Oh, yeah. Some people, like, slap dogs. Like, "Hey, buddy."

Matt Rife 38:26 Or, like, or, or one hand picking up-

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yeah.

Matt Rife 38:27 ... pick him up, like, in an awkward way, and you're like-

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yeah. Oh...

Matt Rife 38:29 ... "I know you don't mean well, but like-

Joe Rogan 38:31 I know.

Matt Rife 38:31 ... you're doing this terribly." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:31 Imagine being a Chihuahua, and everybody's gonna carry you.

Matt Rife 38:34 Oh, I would hate to be a small dog, man.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Ugh. What a fucking torturous life.

Matt Rife 38:38 I know.

Joe Rogan 38:38 Everyone has to carry you everywhere.

Matt Rife 38:40 You have a dog, right? You have a Golden Retriever?

Joe Rogan 38:41 Yes.

Matt Rife 38:41 Ah, beautiful dog, man.

Joe Rogan 38:42 He's great. He's the best.

Matt Rife 38:44 I want a, I want one so bad.

Joe Rogan 38:45 They're the sweetest dogs of all time.

Matt Rife 38:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:47 He's just a sweetheart to everybody. He's just a big old love sponge. And just-

Matt Rife 38:51 (sighs) I want-

Joe Rogan 38:52 ... super sweet, friendly.

Matt Rife 38:53 ... I want a Golden Retriever, a German Shepherd I would love to have. So beautiful, so smart.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Those are great dogs too. Those are, those are dogs, though, that need, they need activity.

Matt Rife 39:01 Yeah, they need stimulation.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Yeah. They need activity. You can't just have a German Shepherd and keep it in a little yard, like, going out of his fucking mind like he's in prison.

Matt Rife 39:08 No. Also, what a waste of talent.

Joe Rogan 39:09 Right. Yeah.

Matt Rife 39:10 They're so smart and so impressive.

Joe Rogan 39:11 They're very smart dogs. Very smart dogs. They're, they're a different kind of dog. You know, that's a working dog.

Matt Rife 39:18 Yeah. But- I guess it's just... What do you... (sighs) People want different things in a dog. I just got my mom for Mother's Day last year this tiny little thing that's, like, literally the size of this coffee mug. Like, you could-

Joe Rogan 39:27 Right.

Matt Rife 39:27 ... you could accidentally squish it so easy.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Yeah. Some people like those kind of dogs.

Matt Rife 39:30 And, like, where did you come... But also, what does that come from? Like, that's not a descendant of a wolf.

Joe Rogan 39:34 It is. It is.

Matt Rife 39:36 Like, how does that happen?

Joe Rogan 39:37 Um, well, selective breeding. And also, there's a thing that happens with animals. We don't totally understand it, but they've done this study with foxes, where they took foxes and over a period of, like, not that many generations, what they did was any time a fox displayed any aggression towards people, they killed it. And over a certain period of time, all the foxes that were left, their jaws had shrank, their ears were more floppy. They started, like, giving into the idea of domestication, and they literally started softening their appearance. They weren't alert, like, like a fox would be-

Matt Rife 40:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:24 ... if it was, like, you know, a little killer. Silver Fox domestication experiment.

Matt Rife 40:29 Man.

Joe Rogan 40:29 "So for the last 59 years, a team of Russian geneticists led by Luda Miller... " how do you say that? "Lood- Ludmila, Ludmila Trut have been running one of the most important biology experiments of the 20th and now 21st century. The experiment was the brainchild of Trut's mentor, Dmitry Belyayev, who in 1959 began an experiment to study the process of domestication in real time. He was especially keen on understanding the domestication of wolves to dogs, but rather than use wolves, he used silver foxes as his subjects. Here I provide a brief overview of how the Silver Fox Domestication Study began and what the results to date have taught us. Experiments continue to this day. Then I explain just how close this study came to being shut down for political reasons during its very first year."

Matt Rife 41:17 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Okay, so that's, um, that's the abstract. This, so this is, um... I'm- I'm probably butchering the story, but over time these things started to change. And they, they softened their appearance, and they dropped their ears. And so, there's also, there's a thing that happens with pigs, where the opposite happens. When you take a domesticated pig and you release it in the wild-

Matt Rife 41:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:42 ... they morph within sick... I think, I think it's a very short amount of time. I wanna say it's less than two months-

Matt Rife 41:49 Wow.

Joe Rogan 41:50 ... of living in the wild. They start to display different characteristics. W- with males, their s- their snout extends. I think with females too. But males grow these big ass tusks, um, and their hair gets thicker.

Matt Rife 42:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:04 Their hair gets thicker all over their body.

Matt Rife 42:05 Just instinctually for being out there.

Joe Rogan 42:07 It just... They now, they know they're on their own, and their body morphs.

Matt Rife 42:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:11 So their appearance morphs.

Matt Rife 42:13 That's an incredible genetic.

Joe Rogan 42:14 It's crazy. So there's different kinds of pigs, but they're all the same animal. It's all... I think the genus is called sus scrofa. And that, when you see a wild boar, a lot of them could have descended from domesticated pigs.

Matt Rife 42:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:31 Like, 'cause people have pig farms and pigs get out, fences break.

Matt Rife 42:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 And the pigs get loose. And some of those pigs, they just keep having piglets, but they're wild pigs.

Matt Rife 42:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:40 But they look like wild boars, like from, you know, what you would expect from, like, some movie, right?

Matt Rife 42:45 Very quick.

Joe Rogan 42:46 That's- that's what happens.

Matt Rife 42:47 Very quick evolution.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Yeah. See if you could find, like, how much time it takes for, uh, a domesticated pig to start displaying wild looks or... Well, that's a bad way to Google it.

Matt Rife 43:01 This is what I love about you and your show. Like, you're- you're very insightful on a lot of things I find very, very fascinating. You're like if Bill Nye the Science Guy offered people DMT.

Joe Rogan 43:09 I got plenty of stupid information in my head.

Matt Rife 43:11 I lo- I love it. It's all things that fascinate me.

Joe Rogan 43:13 But if you look at it that way, right? If a pig becomes harder in the wild and a wolf becomes softer with domestication, if you just kept doing that and, like, softening it... Like, when you associate those little tiny fluffy dogs, what are you associating with? Like some- some lady who's got a nice house-

Matt Rife 43:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:34 ... and a nice car. And she's got a nice little- little fluffy dog that sits next to her.

Matt Rife 43:38 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:38 Like, they've taken that wolf and knocked it down to that-

Matt Rife 43:42 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 43:43 ... over thousands of years.

Matt Rife 43:44 And it's funny that, like, the sa- the same thing happens to humans. I mean, like, when we got-

Joe Rogan 43:47 Yes.

Matt Rife 43:47 ... trapped inside for two years.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Yeah.

Matt Rife 43:48 Soften the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Yeah. It's all... And also society.

Matt Rife 43:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 The- the needs of, like... Society, especially a society like ours, it's not engaged in war on our shores, where there's not, like, a physical threat-

Matt Rife 44:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:01 ... of actual violence from the enemy. We... You know, you tend to soften things up. And the same sort of experiment is going on with-

Matt Rife 44:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:10 ... with male human beings.

Matt Rife 44:11 That's par-

Joe Rogan 44:12 That's going on with dogs and wolves.

Matt Rife 44:13 I- I've heard, I've heard that quote on- on this show so many times.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Yeah.

Matt Rife 44:16 Hard- hard times bring hard, breed hard people.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Yeah.

Matt Rife 44:18 Hard people are bred in easy times, easy times easy people, or whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 44:21 (laughs)

Matt Rife 44:21 It's... I'm- I'm paraphrasing.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Yeah. Hard- hard times create hard men. Hard men create easy times. Easy times create soft men. Soft men create hard times.

Matt Rife 44:32 Vicious cycle.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Yeah. It's normal. It's just we've... They've known this forever. This is how humans work. From hog to wild hog, how a stealth gene transforms pigs into wild boars.

Matt Rife 44:45 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 44:45 A barnyard escapee can quickly resemble a feral hog, growing bigger and hairier in a matter of months.

Matt Rife 44:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:51 Isn't that wild?

Matt Rife 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 So that pig right there could have started out as a domesticated pig.

Matt Rife 44:58 That's incredible.

Joe Rogan 44:58 And got out, and it will turn into that wild-looking thing.

Matt Rife 45:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Yeah. Experts say the crisis is largely driven by people who trap and transport the animals so they can be hunted. Oh, wow. It may be the year of the rabbit, the pig, the ba, da, da, ba, feral pigs. Like, how long does it... Yeah, it's sus scrofa that... So that is millennia of chasing wild boars around the woods with spears, homo sapiens finally got wise. Roughly 9,000 years ago, which is now, uh, in what is now Eastern Turkey, our ancestors began domesticating the Eurasian boar, sus scrofa. By the time chris-... So they were wild first, then they domesticated them.

Matt Rife 45:34 Domesticated them.

Joe Rogan 45:34 And when we're, you were... They're like gremlins, you feed 'em at night.

Matt Rife 45:37 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:38 Okay. By the time Christopher Columbus, uh, picked up a few to take along on his second voyage to America in 1493, the 400-pound tusked beast-

Matt Rife 45:47 God dang.

Joe Rogan 45:47 ... had been transformed into a pink, floppy-eared familiar. In that time, pig husbandry had produced a docile and resilient animal, one bred to survive a range of climatic conditions and to reproduce a lot. Well, that's the thing about pigs, like they have three litters a year.

Matt Rife 46:07 Do they really?

Joe Rogan 46:08 Yeah. They bang out babies. Like, "Let's go." And they start doing it when they're, like, six months old.

Matt Rife 46:13 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 46:13 So at six months old they're already spitting out kids.

Matt Rife 46:17 That's... And how many piglets do they usually have? Like eight?

Joe Rogan 46:19 That's a good question. I think it's about six, if I had to guess. It might be more. What is, uh, the average litter of a pig?

Matt Rife 46:29 Is that what they be called, litters?

Joe Rogan 46:30 I think. I'm just guessing.

Matt Rife 46:32 They're so smart too.

Joe Rogan 46:35 Yeah.

Narrator 46:35 It doesn't say here.

Joe Rogan 46:37 Average pig litter.

Matt Rife 46:39 Man, the amount of tabs you have open at this browser is so funny.

Narrator 46:42 (laughs) It's just right now-

46:43 This is crazy.

46:43 ... 7.5.

Joe Rogan 46:45 7.5. The average litter si- litter size is 7.5. It's not uncommon for a sow to have 12 to 14 pigs per litter.

Matt Rife 46:52 How do you have a half? Just one little midgelet?

Joe Rogan 46:54 exhales ] This is just an average, you know, f- some 15, some 13, some totally...

Matt Rife 46:59 Thank you, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 47:00 That's pretty nuts, man. That's pretty nuts.

Matt Rife 47:03 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 47:03 That's... So they're just constantly pumping out kids.

Matt Rife 47:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:07 And when you let 'em grow out in the wild, they turn back to what they originally were. So that makes sense that if you took dogs and you, like, slowly gave them food all the time-

Matt Rife 47:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:16 ... and all the, you know, the wolves that were like bitch-ass wolves who couldn't hunt anymore-

Matt Rife 47:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:19 ... like, "Come on bitch-ass wolf."

Matt Rife 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 "I got some food for you. Just growl when the bears come."

Matt Rife 47:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:23 And then they, "Okay, I'll do that for you."

Matt Rife 47:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:26 Just like people kinda get, you know? People that have, like, overpowering bosses that are mean-

Matt Rife 47:31 Oh, of course.

Narrator 47:32 The sea, as we learned the other week or the other day.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Um-

Matt Rife 47:34 Wait, what?

Joe Rogan 47:36 Oh, the thing about wolves.

Matt Rife 47:37 What else?

Joe Rogan 47:37 Shockingly enough, uh, a creature almost synonymous with the sea didn't actually begin that way. And boy, is it a whale of a tale. A mind-blowing video recently posted by PBS Eons reveals that whales were actually predatory land animals, the same ones that would later become wolves specifically. So the animal branched off in the water and became whales, and on the ground became wolves.

Matt Rife 48:04 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 48:04 What the fuck?

Matt Rife 48:06 What?

Joe Rogan 48:06 How wild is that?That is fucking wild.

Narrator 48:10 And hippos, I guess, came from the same thing at some point.

Joe Rogan 48:11 And hippos came from the same thing, wow.

Matt Rife 48:15 Wha- what Bible chapter is this in?

Joe Rogan 48:18 It's ... They missed that part.

Matt Rife 48:19 (laughs) Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 48:20 Hippos, hippos scare the fucking shit out of me, man.

Matt Rife 48:23 Oh, I mean, that's a dinosaur.

Joe Rogan 48:24 That is ... They are so insane looking.

Matt Rife 48:27 They look so unbeliev- ... And aren't they relatively aggressive?

Joe Rogan 48:29 Oh, super aggressive. And they go after boats.

Matt Rife 48:32 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 48:32 They take people out. You know, the thing about hippos is it's one of those other animals that, for whatever reason, when we anthropomorphize, when we give them, like, human characteristics, we make them sweet. Hungry, Hungry Hippo.

Matt Rife 48:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:46 You know? Like polar bears, like, it's Coca-Cola.

Matt Rife 48:48 No, absolutely not.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Klondike bars.

Matt Rife 48:50 So aggressive.

Joe Rogan 48:51 They're terrifying.

Matt Rife 48:52 No, fuck all that.

Joe Rogan 48:52 We do that with so many, like, terrifying animals. We d- ... You know, fucking, um, Yogi Bear, we turned, we turned one of the scariest animals in the forest into your-

Matt Rife 49:02 Frosted Flakes.

Joe Rogan 49:02 ... buddy. "Hey, Boo-Boo-"

Matt Rife 49:04 Yeah (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:04 "... let's get us a picnic basket." Remember that?

Matt Rife 49:08 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Dude, Yogi Bear was, like, this sweetheart. And how many people grew up thinking bears were their friends because of that stupid shit? (laughs) And then these dummies, you go out in the woods, and you're like, "Oh, no."

Matt Rife 49:18 Mauled to death.

Joe Rogan 49:19 People used to look at bears for what they are. And then teddy bears came around, and then when they started giving people teddy bears, then they started, like, thinking that, like, bears are your little friends.

Matt Rife 49:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:30 And then-

Matt Rife 49:30 Build-a-Bear's responsible for a lot of deaths.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Oh.

Matt Rife 49:33 People don't talk about that enough.

Joe Rogan 49:34 I don't think Build-a-Bear is responsible, but the teddy bear is. Th- Build-a-Bear ... By the time Build-a-Bear came, it was already Disney movies. It was already too late.

Matt Rife 49:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:43 It was already too late.

Matt Rife 49:44 Ah.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Bears are your friends. Animals are your friends. They talk to you. They save you. They, they tell the, the people about the Wicked Witch and- (laughs)

Matt Rife 49:50 He d- ... Oh, my God. Oh (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 49:52 What? They're on your side.

Matt Rife 49:54 Have you seen that video of, of somebody hanging in the background of The Wizard of Oz?

Joe Rogan 49:58 What?

Matt Rife 49:59 You don't know about th- ... Oh, this is very popular.

Narrator 50:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:01 Oh, I have seen that.

Matt Rife 50:02 There's-

Narrator 50:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Now I remember.

Narrator 50:03 And when- It is. I don't even think that's like- I think it is a person.

Matt Rife 50:07 Some people say it's a bird.

Narrator 50:08 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Ok-

Matt Rife 50:09 Some people say it's a bird in the background.

Joe Rogan 50:10 I thought it was, like, somebody who worked on the set is like, "Enough."

Matt Rife 50:12 They said it was ... They said it was one of the, one of the-

Joe Rogan 50:14 Enough.

Matt Rife 50:14 ... little people. Yeah. They, they were the first person to go on sag strike.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Oh, no.

Narrator 50:19 Unpacking the myth of the hanging Munchkin. So, might be a myth.

Matt Rife 50:26 Oh, no, there's an unpacking?

Narrator 50:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:27 That's the problem with Googling things.

Matt Rife 50:29 Yeah, you don't want-

Joe Rogan 50:29 Kills all the fun.

Matt Rife 50:30 You don't want all the answers.

Joe Rogan 50:32 No.

Matt Rife 50:32 It's fun to be naive.

Joe Rogan 50:33 No, sometimes you want just fun.

Matt Rife 50:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Yeah. That's why I like to, like, read about, like, shit like Hollow Earth.

Narrator 50:39 It's that, it's that, that's never scared me.

Joe Rogan 50:41 (laughs)

Narrator 50:41 I remember seeing this when we first did some-

Matt Rife 50:41 What the fuck is Hollow Earth? Please unpack that after this.

Joe Rogan 50:44 That's ... All right. That's it?

Narrator 50:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:45 Okay, that could be anything.

Narrator 50:46 And when they're walking, it does start moving, like, side to side.

Matt Rife 50:49 It starts walking?

Narrator 50:50 No, when they're walking-

Matt Rife 50:50 People say it's a swaying, right?

Narrator 50:51 I'm saying, yeah, when they're work- ... When they're walking down the yellow brick road.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Do you really think they would see that-

Matt Rife 50:54 Yeah, you think somebody would-

Joe Rogan 50:56 ... and stop filming?

Narrator 50:57 ... ah.

Joe Rogan 50:57 "Hey, keep rolling."

Narrator 50:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:58 "But there's a fucking guy hanging."

Matt Rife 51:01 (laughs)

Narrator 51:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:01 "Keep rolling. Do you know how much money this film costs?"

Narrator 51:04 No.

Matt Rife 51:04 Jesus Christ (laughs) . It's just one of the executive producers.

Joe Rogan 51:06 "You know how much money this film costs?"

Narrator 51:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:11 "I'll pull the plug on it right now. Keep walking."

Matt Rife 51:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:16 "Hanging little person be damned."

Matt Rife 51:19 Please unpack Hollow Earth for me, because you said it and now I wanna know everything about it.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Well, Hollow Earth compare ... Uh, it, it pales in comparison to Space Is Fake.

Matt Rife 51:30 It d-

Joe Rogan 51:30 Space Is Fake is the greatest conspiracy thing to dive into online. It's amazing. It's so fun.

Matt Rife 51:38 Ho- how do you, how do you even think ab-

Joe Rogan 51:39 They think there are lights in the sky.

Matt Rife 51:41 Like, like these kind of lights?

Joe Rogan 51:43 I don't know. There's a firmament. There's, like, a glass ceiling above it all. Nothing can go out there because there's nothing there.

Matt Rife 51:52 Didn't-

Joe Rogan 51:52 The Earth is flat.

Matt Rife 51:53 Didn't somebody land on the dark side of the moon the other day?

Narrator 51:55 (inhales) China. Sent a probe, I think.

Matt Rife 51:58 China did?

Joe Rogan 51:58 I think it was India.

Narrator 51:59 Oh yeah, correct, correct, correct.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Um, yeah. It's, uh-

Matt Rife 52:03 I don't think Earth c- ... Uh, uh, the space can't be fake, it c- ... Right?

Joe Rogan 52:06 It's amazing how many people are into it. If you just Google #spaceisfake, you'll be taken to these random Instagram accounts. Now ... And here's the thing about it. Uh, I don't know if they're real people-

Matt Rife 52:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:20 ... but I don't know if it matters, 'cause it starts off ... It could start off as, like, some Russian troll. Like, they, there's these things called, like ... The Internet Research Agency is one of 'em. There's troll farms, you know ... You know about these?

Matt Rife 52:33 No, but it makes sense.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Okay. Renee DeResta reported on it, and some people, uh, a lot of people have reported on it. But what it is, is they have these places where there's thousands and thousands of accounts, and they set up ... Like, they ... There's, there's images of it lo- ... Where you see, like, rows of cell phones that are connected to this network.

Matt Rife 53:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:01 And they have these people that have these, the access to this, these accounts. And they're posting things that are really stupid. They're posting things that are ridiculous conspiracy theories. They're posting things blaming Democrats for certain things and blaming Republicans for certain things. At one point in time, Facebook, 19 of their top 20 Christian sites were run by Russian troll farms. It's genius, like, social sabotage at a very high level. And-

Matt Rife 53:35 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 53:36 So, they're, they're interacting with people constantly online. So if you see people fighting on Twitter, if you see ... Like, a controversial post goes up about anything-

Matt Rife 53:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:46 ... with foreign policy, trans rights, b- abortion, Second Amendment, anything.

Matt Rife 53:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 If you go into one of those popular posts, you'll see all these, like, crazed right wing and crazed left wing opinions. Occasionally you click on them, and if you go to, like ... I should say occasionally. Oftentimes you'll click on them, and you go to a, a page that seems oddly unhuman.... it seems fake. There's, it doesn't seem like a, a real personality behind it, and you go into it and you see that they're always engaging on these very specific issues, and they're always being, like, very confrontational. And it, and it kinda discourages people that disagree with them from interacting with them, and then it kinda encourages people that love to fight with people to fight back. So, you get all this interaction and these people do it to steer conversations and get people to lose faith in democracy, lose faith in the police's ability to protect you, lose faith in whether or not we can unite racially or, uh, uh, w- sexually, or, like, w- whether we, we can be a, a, a harmonious country. It's, like, designed to m- to keep conflict going. It literally can accelerate conflict, like gasoline on a fire. And then you can engineer to a s- certain extent, I don't know what percentage, but imagine it's 5%. You can 5% through these trolls, engineer conversations in the public, and you could get people to d- do a lot of really dumb shit. Like, if you wanted to get people to believe that the, the Earth is flat, or if you wanted to get people to believe that the Earth is hollow and there's dinosaurs inside of it and aliens live in there, you could get people to believe that. And then they would start fighting about it online. And then you could get people to believe that, you know, there's been b- a bunch of 'em, there's been a bunch of 'em that are, that are like mainstream propaganda things, like the Russia collusion hoax with Trump. It took us like three years to figure that out. Uh, but now everybody knows as, that didn't really happen the way they were saying it was happening every day on the news. If, if that can take place with, like, mainstream media, how much of, like, what people are fighting about is, like, engineered?

Matt Rife 56:01 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 56:01 How much of it?

Matt Rife 56:02 That might be the most evil thing I've ever heard in my entire life, to just control and design chaos.

Joe Rogan 56:09 You definitely are encouraging chaos. Like, if people d- people can still choose to engage or not engage, and that's where things get interesting.

Matt Rife 56:17 That's terrible, man. I mean, the internet-

Joe Rogan 56:19 And it was.

Matt Rife 56:19 ... is already such a terrible, dark, mean place without that. You add that fuel on top of it? Oh my gods, no wonder people are depressed.

Joe Rogan 56:27 What would really be scary is if you were forced to interact with people on the internet.

Matt Rife 56:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:31 Like, if the internet, if there was like a, uh, uh, social (sighs) like a contract that you had to make where you had to give your opinions on certain issues, agree or disagree.

Matt Rife 56:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:45 "Gender-affirming care is essential to each o-" you know, like that kinda stuff.

Matt Rife 56:49 Yeah. Ooh, they got a certain amount-

Joe Rogan 56:50 Agree, right.

Matt Rife 56:50 ... of logged hours of opinions or something.

Joe Rogan 56:51 Agree or disagree, "We have to move to 100% renewables by 2030 at all costs." Agree or disagree? You know?

Matt Rife 57:00 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 57:00 Voter ID is racist. Agree or disagree?

Matt Rife 57:03 (fucks) .

Joe Rogan 57:03 That climate change is real and the science supports it. Agree or disagree? Vaccines are the most essential technology that medical science has ever created. Agree or disagree?

Matt Rife 57:14 What's crazy is people-

Joe Rogan 57:14 We need to support the, the war in Ukraine, and the United States has never done anything to encourage Russia invading Ukraine, including helping NATO move arms closer to their border. Agree or disagree?

Matt Rife 57:27 What's terrifying is people... (laughs) Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Vaccines are safe and effective. Agree or disagree? Imagine if you had to do that every couple months and go over that, and that, that's how people decided-

Matt Rife 57:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:37 ... whether or not you could go to the grocery store today or you had to wait till Saturday, or whether or not you could buy a plane ticket ever. Whether, you know, like-

Matt Rife 57:45 The thing is now people feel like voluntarily they need to voice their opinions-

Joe Rogan 57:49 Yeah.

Matt Rife 57:49 ... on those things.

Joe Rogan 57:50 Right.

Matt Rife 57:50 It's like, f- for what? At the end of the day, for what?

Joe Rogan 57:53 They just like fighting.

Matt Rife 57:54 They just love fi- it's incredible, man.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Yeah.

Matt Rife 57:57 People-

Joe Rogan 57:57 People like it.

Matt Rife 57:57 I hate the internet so much.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Well, I love it.

Matt Rife 58:00 I always avoided it.

Joe Rogan 58:01 I love it. You gotta just avoid the stuff that sucks. Just avoid interacting with people in that way. It's just not good. It's not good for you. It's not good for them. It's not good for anybody. You know, you can, you can interact with people and, and learn some interesting things, but at a certain level of fame-

Matt Rife 58:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:15 ... that becomes really hard. Like y-

Matt Rife 58:16 It's really hard.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Yeah. You can't, if you just interact with people, you're gonna get people that are doing things just to get your attention-

Matt Rife 58:22 I know.

Joe Rogan 58:22 And, and one of the ways to get your attention is to say something negative.

Matt Rife 58:24 I'm so bad at that.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Yeah.

Matt Rife 58:25 I'm so bad, I am so confrontational as well. Like, I'm gonna get John Lennon for sure to-

Joe Rogan 58:29 (laughs) Don't say that.

Matt Rife 58:31 Dude, I have, the amount of times somebody's been like, "I'm gonna f- I'm gonna come to one of your shows and kick your ass," I've just, like, sent them my entire tour schedule and be like, "D- you can come to any show you want." I cannot stand the confidence people have behind the internet. It's-

Joe Rogan 58:44 Well, it's not-

Matt Rife 58:45 ... impeccable.

Joe Rogan 58:45 ... most of it's not real, but there are a few psychos out there. So I wouldn't, uh, d- you know, challenge people.

Matt Rife 58:51 I know, I know I'm i- I know I'm in the wrong for, for responding like that.

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yeah, don't do that.

Matt Rife 58:54 I just, I can't stand it, dude.

Joe Rogan 58:55 Don't do that, fella. Yeah.

Matt Rife 58:57 It gets my fucking blood boiling though.

Joe Rogan 58:59 And they will, but when people know that you can't stand it, then they're gonna do it more.

Matt Rife 59:02 I know.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Yeah.

Matt Rife 59:03 I know. Jamie, cut it (laughs) before they feed the fucking fire.

Joe Rogan 59:07 We can cut that out if you want.

Matt Rife 59:08 No, no, f- leave it in there, dude. Couldn't be less scared.

Joe Rogan 59:11 Ah. Yeah, you're, you're traveling a lot, huh?

Matt Rife 59:15 Yeah, man. Thanks to the internet.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Do you do anything to, um, like, do you do anything, like, right when you land to, like, uh, to just to get rid of jet lag? Have you ever figured anything out like that?

Matt Rife 59:25 No, I'm still figuring it out.

Joe Rogan 59:27 Yeah?

Matt Rife 59:28 Y- go to the, I mean, I, I have to work out every day. That's my thing. Like-

Joe Rogan 59:31 Do you go to the gym right when you land?

Matt Rife 59:33 No, not necessarily. But depending on what time I land, I think, 'cause I like to do, I like to work out before the show-

Joe Rogan 59:39 Right.

Matt Rife 59:39 ... just to get my blood pumping a little bit, 'cause I'm-

Joe Rogan 59:41 Yeah.

Matt Rife 59:41 ... I wake up most days so tired. Then I'm like, "Let me at least get a little energized."

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yeah.

Matt Rife 59:44 "Get my body moving."

Joe Rogan 59:45 Isn't that ironic that when you're tired, the best thing you do is something difficult when you wake up?

Matt Rife 59:50 It's so weird.

Joe Rogan 59:51 It's so hard to tell your body that though. Today was hard for me to tell my, I mean, I do it every day-

Matt Rife 59:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:56 ... but every day I have the same fucking conversation. My body's like, "I'd rather just lay here, bitch." And you're the-

Matt Rife 1:00:01 But that's what discipline is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 My body's like, "You're the boss." Nobody (laughs) , nobody can tell you what to do. Shut the fuck up.

Matt Rife 1:00:06 Yeah, we don't, we don't have-

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:00:07 ... to get up and do anything.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 I'm like, "You work for, you literally work for yourself."

Matt Rife 1:00:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 You don't have to be at work until 1:30. What are you doing?

Matt Rife 1:00:16 ... just go back to sleep.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 But even then, you gotta have, then you-

Matt Rife 1:00:17 Go back to sleep, bitch.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 ... have to ask, but you have to ask yourself-

Matt Rife 1:00:18 What would David Goggins do?

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 David Goggins will already be up. He's up, he's... That's not... You can't, you can't decide to live your life by what that guy does, 'cause you'll die.

Matt Rife 1:00:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 He's one of the scariest people. Like you don't, you don't have to live this extreme, man.

Matt Rife 1:00:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 But he's lovely. He's a great guy. Like as a human-

Matt Rife 1:00:35 I wanna meet him someday.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 ... I love-

Matt Rife 1:00:36 He seems very cool.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 ... I love him to death. As a human, he's great.

Matt Rife 1:00:39 I love... I just-

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 He's a cool guy.

Matt Rife 1:00:40 ... I like his motivation. I like, I like being around positive people-

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:00:43 ... that inspire me to do better.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 And when he trusts you, like he knows you, he's cool as fuck. He's a, he's a fun guy. Did he get- He's a fun guy.

Matt Rife 1:00:50 ... into it with Stavros?

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Get into it?

Matt Rife 1:00:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 What do you mean?

Matt Rife 1:00:55 Like were they upset with each other?

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Stavros, the comic?

Matt Rife 1:00:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 No. Really? Is that real?

Matt Rife 1:01:00 I saw, I saw, I saw a weird cut-up video that I didn't know if it was a real video or not.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Oh. That's probably one of them Pingtrip videos.

Matt Rife 1:01:05 Oh. It was very funny.

Narrator 1:01:06 100%. 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Yeah. Oh, point Pingtrip.

Matt Rife 1:01:07 It was very funny, but I can- I couldn't believe-

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Shout out to Pingtrip. This is dude, Pingtrip, who takes (laughs) he takes these-

Matt Rife 1:01:11 It was impressive.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 He has like-

Narrator 1:01:12 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 ... me and Duncan Trussell being in love with each other. There's like a ton of 'em out there.

Matt Rife 1:01:16 That's very funny.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 It's like, it's... He's hilarious. He does a great job with those. But-

Matt Rife 1:01:19 Duncan's a good guy too.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 ... I don't think Stavros would say jack shit to David Goggins. (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:24 Yeah. It's like, "What?"

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Nobody is gonna talk shit to that guy.

Narrator 1:01:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 He's terrified... His fucking will and resolve is terrifying.

Matt Rife 1:01:30 It's, it's impressive.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Oh, this is it. Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:01:31 Yeah, yeah. This is... It's so good.

Narrator 1:01:34 Wanna try a cookie? You wanna try it for a minute?

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Stop.

Matt Rife 1:01:36 (laughs) Yeah, this one.

Narrator 1:01:38 Dude, it'll be fun.

1:01:39 And you're fat as (censored) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 (laughs)

Matt Rife 1:01:41 Yeah.

Narrator 1:01:42 You want to be fat?

1:01:44 Yeah, dude. Being fat's fun.

1:01:47 Your mind is full of (censored) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:51 That's not okay. It's not okay. It's not acceptable.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:55 You need to work harder.

1:01:57 I don't wanna be doing work.

1:01:58 You roll your fat ass out of bed and all you want is some (censored) damn cinnamon buns and (censored) .

1:02:03 Yeah, I love that.

1:02:04 Man, you are a piece of (censored) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Oh, my God. This is horrible. (laughs)

Matt Rife 1:02:07 Yeah, man. That's why I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 This is harsh.

Matt Rife 1:02:08 ... "Are they okay?"

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Oh, my God. This is so harsh.

Narrator 1:02:11 I don't wanna work that hard.

1:02:12 You're not a man. You're no (censored) man. Dude, like, "I'm sorry, I can't."

1:02:16 You're a fat, sloppy mother (fucker) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Okay, okay, okay. This is too real.

Matt Rife 1:02:20 Yeah. It's... It was aggressive.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:02:21 I was genuinely concerned.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Stavros is one of those guys, he's so funny, I don't care if he's fat.

Matt Rife 1:02:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 Stay, stay fat, bro.

Matt Rife 1:02:28 I haven't had a chance of meeting him yet, but I really want to.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 He's so funny, by the way.

Matt Rife 1:02:31 He's, he's fucking hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 He's such a character. He's so funny on stage.

Matt Rife 1:02:35 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 He's so funny in real life. He's fucking hilarious.

Matt Rife 1:02:37 And fucking hustles too.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:02:38 Do you... The clip, the clips he puts out.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:02:40 The vlogs and everything.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 That's funny. The young kids today, they respect your social media hustle. (laughs)

Matt Rife 1:02:46 It's only because... Uh, like what most people don't know about me is I, I, I, I didn't wanna do it for so long. Like you don't understand. I despise social media. The ultimate success for me would be to be so successful I could... I never have to look at my social media for the rest of my life.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Hmm.

Matt Rife 1:03:01 I, I just wanna get there. So when I... Now, because of the work I've put in on it, I, I respect people who do do the work.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Yeah. Um, I respect it. It's, it's definitely... Uh, it's... It makes a f-... Like if you're a good comic and nobody knows, that doesn't help anybody.

Matt Rife 1:03:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 You know?

Matt Rife 1:03:18 It's exposure, dude. You have to have it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Yeah. There's a lot of guys who are doing a really good job with that. Jeff Dye does a really good job with that.

Matt Rife 1:03:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 There's a lot of guys who're kind... Like Mark Normand.

Matt Rife 1:03:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 Sam, Sam Morril. All those guys.

Matt Rife 1:03:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 Those guys are doing a fantastic job with that.

Matt Rife 1:03:31 Oh, when, when Schulz and Morril started putting out their clips-

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Mm-hmm.

Matt Rife 1:03:34 ... that's when I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Schulz is the master.

Matt Rife 1:03:35 ... "I have to, I have to do it."

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 Well, Schulz converted it into a Netflix show.

Matt Rife 1:03:38 I know. Genius.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Amazing.

Matt Rife 1:03:40 Well, when he was... He... At first, he was doing, uh... It was when he was doing his... He was releasing a new bit every single week.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:03:46 And he was like, "Well, if I can write one minute a week for a year, that's a brand new hour." Boom.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:03:51 52 minutes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:03:52 And I just thought that was so inspiring and I was like, "I n- I need to be doing something relative to that."

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Well, it's also, you know... The pandemic kind of opened up doors and also closed a shitload of them. But it did open up doors with time. And when you're just sitting there and you can't do the normal thing that you do-

Matt Rife 1:04:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 ... you start thinking, "Okay, okay, okay. Feel sorry for myself, that's all over. Let's get over that. And now let's figure out what can we do."

Matt Rife 1:04:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 And if you're a hustler, if you're a guy who's like... You know, like your guy like Andrew who is always trying to figure things out and get ahead and do better and-

Matt Rife 1:04:26 Innovative.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Yeah. It's like... So he created like a no s-... And by the way, it's a totally different style of comedy-

Matt Rife 1:04:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 ... than his standup-

Matt Rife 1:04:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 ... which is interesting, 'cause it's these rapid fire punchlines, whereas standup is much more engaging.

Matt Rife 1:04:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 And he, he pauses more, he laughs a lot. He's-

Matt Rife 1:04:42 More personable.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 Yes. Yes. So thi- this is like a different kind of comedy.

Matt Rife 1:04:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 But it was like really the best kind of comedy for the pandemic.

Matt Rife 1:04:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Like short attention span-

Matt Rife 1:04:53 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 ... rapid fire jokes, very silly, and turn your phone, phone sideways.

Matt Rife 1:04:59 It changed everything.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:05:01 That's scary to think about. You had, you had to do it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 You had to do something.

Matt Rife 1:05:08 It was almost like a, like a late night show, the way, the way he wrote that material.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Yes. Yeah.

Matt Rife 1:05:14 And the attention span during that time period was so fast. Remember we thought Quibi was gonna be a good thing? I thought it was gonna be a good thing. No... Nobody in their right fucking mind did, but Hollywood went-

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 (yawns) Uh.

Matt Rife 1:05:23 ... "Well, everyone is watching short things now." And everyone... "Are, are you, are you sure?" "Well, everyone is on their phone. Those are always short videos."

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 What they don't understand is that you can't just set out to create a successful show like that, or a successful thing like that and throw a bunch of money at it and know that it's gonna be successful.

Matt Rife 1:05:44 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 You have to let them become successful, then you acquire them.

Matt Rife 1:05:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 That's the only way.

Matt Rife 1:05:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Like if you're thr-... Like, 'cause they'll give up, just like they give up with a TV show. If you have a TV show on ABC-

Matt Rife 1:05:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 ... you know? And then the first few episodes come out and it doesn't do well, and then it drops off with the fourth.

Matt Rife 1:06:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 You're done, son. Over.

Matt Rife 1:06:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 But if you have something that you've developed on your own and you put it on... And the, these videos go viral naturally, then it makes sense that you have like a channel-

Matt Rife 1:06:14 Mm-hmm.

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