Joe Rogan Experience #2035 - Brian Simpson

Narrator 0:02 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Brian Simpson 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

Narrator 0:12 Salute.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Salute. (glasses clink) Hey.

Brian Simpson 0:18 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 0:19 (sips) Ah. We were just talking about how much fun last night was. What a goddamn line-up.

Brian Simpson 0:22 Yeah, what a line-up, man.

Joe Rogan 0:23 What a line-up.

Brian Simpson 0:25 Ari, Dan Soder, Derek Poston.

Joe Rogan 0:29 Ron White.

Brian Simpson 0:29 Ron White.

Joe Rogan 0:30 You.

Brian Simpson 0:30 You.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Tony Hinchcliffe.

Brian Simpson 0:31 Tony Hinch- yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Wild line-up. Wild.

Brian Simpson 0:33 What a ... wild. Yeah, what a fucking-

Joe Rogan 0:35 It's a great place, man.

Brian Simpson 0:37 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 0:37 We were talking about this last night, the weird thing about that place is even though, like, we talked about it for so long when we were at the Vulcan, like it was almost like-

Brian Simpson 0:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:48 ... one day it's all gonna happen. And kind of we hoped it happened? Or were hoping it was gonna happen? But you never know until something actually happens.

Brian Simpson 0:56 Oh, yeah, yeah. Especially out here.

Joe Rogan 0:58 But now that it actually happened and it's been open for like ... What have we been open? Like six months now or something?

Brian Simpson 1:02 Yeah, since April or March. Since March.

Joe Rogan 1:04 Now it seems like it's always been there.

Brian Simpson 1:07 The seem-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Like the Overlook Hotel or some shit.

Brian Simpson 1:09 It's- it c-

Joe Rogan 1:10 You know?

Brian Simpson 1:10 I mean, 'cause that building, that building has a lot of ... I bet you a lot of dope shit's happened in that building.

Joe Rogan 1:15 (puffs) 100%.

Brian Simpson 1:16 You know? Like just m- just magical moment like, like when, um, (smacks lips) when Oliver, um, (clicks tongue) Oliver-

Joe Rogan 1:23 Oliver Anthony?

Brian Simpson 1:24 Yeah, Oliver Anthony-

Joe Rogan 1:25 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:25 ... stopped in. That- the crowd at-

Joe Rogan 1:26 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:26 They was not ready for that.

Joe Rogan 1:27 Yeah. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:28 Man, it was incredible. No one like ... 'Cause, you know, I think people have ... They all might know that they can be surprised at some other shit, but like ... But it ... This is the first time it hasn't been a comic.

Joe Rogan 1:37 Right, right, right.

Brian Simpson 1:38 You know? Like so ... And he got brought up by Sagura.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:42 You know, and I don't, I don't know what they were expecting. But man.

Joe Rogan 1:45 I wish I was there for that one. He had done the podcast that day, but I had too much shit I had to do. I had to take off.

Brian Simpson 1:51 No, it was incredible.

Joe Rogan 1:51 His story's nuts.

Brian Simpson 1:53 Yeah, he- and he's a genuine dude. I mean, I still-

Joe Rogan 1:55 Very genuine.

Brian Simpson 1:55 I still don't know a lot about him, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:59 Like, um, you know, but he seemed to just really care about people.

Joe Rogan 2:03 He definitely does.

Brian Simpson 2:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05 He's a real good guy. And he ... You know, now the question is ... I mean, I, I think he's gonna hold onto it. But that's the question. Can he hold onto it? I, I believe he will. I think he'd be fine.

Brian Simpson 2:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15 He's, he's like ... Fascinating story because he gave his life to God like 30 days ago. (laughs) And then two weeks later he has the number one song in the world (snaps fingers) like that, that he recorded off of a phone. One of his songs, the audio that's up online, I mean it's like very highly rated song, it was number one at one point in time, it's the audio off of a video from his Android phone. So he uploads it to YouTube and then he cuts the wav file from the YouTube video and uploaded that as a song.

Brian Simpson 2:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:48 No mixing, no studio. This little bitch-ass microphone (laughs) they have at the bottom of your phone.

Brian Simpson 2:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 And it sounds g- it sounds aw- ... What is ... Which one song is that, Jamie? I think Ain't Got a Dollar ...

Brian Simpson 3:00 Ain't Got a Dollar.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Ain't Got a Dollar song, I think. I ... Pretty sure. But when you listen ... Can you ... Can we play it? When you listen to it, it kinda adds to it. That it adds to it that it's not produced. It's a- it adds to it that it's not-

Brian Simpson 3:14 That it doesn't sound perfect?

Joe Rogan 3:15 Yeah. I mean, it's just a dude singing a song. (guitar playing)

Brian Simpson 3:37 (laughs)

Narrator 3:37 Well, I ain't got a dollar. But I don't need a dime. I got a little spot in the country. Where I spend all of my time. When the sun goes down on this itty-bitty town. We can light up a bowl. Pass it around. I ain't got a dollar. But I don't need a dime.

Brian Simpson 4:11 See, that's soul right there, man.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Yeah. You can't fake that.

Brian Simpson 4:13 And you know what, man? He ... It ... He ... It sounds ... Like he ... It, it feels like that in person. Like he hits-

Joe Rogan 4:22 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 4:22 He sounds just like that in person. No, no, uh ... Like he just ... The ... His live show was incredible.

Joe Rogan 4:29 Wow.

Brian Simpson 4:29 Especially when he got to the hit, to the hit, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:32 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 4:32 Everybody lost their ... Everyone knew the words, everyone lost they mind.

Joe Rogan 4:35 (exhales)

Brian Simpson 4:36 Yeah, it was great.

Joe Rogan 4:37 Bro, that video on ... Just on my Instagram, at one point, I don't know what it is now, but it was like a 11 million views.

Brian Simpson 4:45 Yeah. He's, he's ... He, he ... And he's like- he's likable for now. People love him.

Joe Rogan 4:50 (laughs) Yeah, for now.

Brian Simpson 4:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:50 Isn't it funny? We're so cynical.

Brian Simpson 4:53 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:53 "He's likable for now."

Brian Simpson 4:54 Yeah, 'cause like you know how people are.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 4:55 People are fickle. I ... But, but I-

Joe Rogan 4:57 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 4:57 I ... You know my theory about it, is I think you just gotta be yourself and take what comes with that instead of trying to please everybody.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 5:06 Because the ... That's what destroys you. Trying to be fake so you can, so you can get stuff.

Joe Rogan 5:11 He and I had a phone conversation like, like right when everything was taking off. Um, we, we communicated on Instagram. He sent me his number (laughs) . I called him up and he was freaking out. And I was like, "Listen, man. You're gonna be fine, but you're on a wild ride."

Brian Simpson 5:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 "You're on a wild ride." I'm like, "Don't sign nothing. Don't sign nothing." I go, "Don't take any money 'cause it's just a loan. It's not real money." Like when they offer you money for stuff like a record deal or something like ... It's basically a loan.

Brian Simpson 5:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:38 I go, "Listen. You, you ... It ever ... " But it's like everyone's telling me I gotta strike while the iron's hot. I go, "Listen. You've got talent. You don't have to do shit."

Brian Simpson 5:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:47 "Just hang in there, dude. You got talent." And you're-

Brian Simpson 5:50 And you got leverage.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Yeah. He's, he's the real deal. There's like ... There's certain people you see them and you go, "Oh, psh- you, you don't have to do shit. You're fine." Like now the world knows.

Brian Simpson 6:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Now the world knows. That guy is fans now, like that. (snaps fingers) So he goes from 30 days ago-... selling industrial equipment. Uh, a pothead, like ju- smoking way too much pot, smoking pot all day. He said he wasn't getting anything done. He, he knew that he was procrastinating and, and wasting his life away. And he just broke down, gave himself to God, started reading scripture every day.

Brian Simpson 6:22 Instead of, instead of getting high?

Joe Rogan 6:24 Instead of getting high.

Brian Simpson 6:25 Damn.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Two weeks later, number one song in the world.

Brian Simpson 6:28 I wonder what he would've got if he gave his life to Satan.

Joe Rogan 6:30 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 6:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:32 He would be that dude with the fucking... What's that guy's name? Sam... what's his name with the fucking red skirt on, on the, the Grammys, dancing around like the devil? Sam Smith. What's his name? Sam Smith? Yeah. That guy.

Brian Simpson 6:42 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 6:43 That-

Brian Simpson 6:43 Oh, you mean Lil Nas X?

Joe Rogan 6:45 No, no, no, no, no. Lil Nas X did this... did it earlier.

Brian Simpson 6:48 Oh, yeah. Everyone's doing it now.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Bro, the little Nas X one was hilarious-

Brian Simpson 6:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:52 ... 'cause everybody freaked out.

Brian Simpson 6:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:53 They couldn't believe it. This is the guy from-

Brian Simpson 6:55 'Cause he was giving the devil a lap dance?

Joe Rogan 6:57 Yeah, that guy. Sam Smith.

Brian Simpson 6:58 Oh, Sam S- okay. Is this recent?

Joe Rogan 7:00 Yeah. Yeah, it was at the Grammys.

Brian Simpson 7:01 Man, I don't be keeping up with shit.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Good for you. Don't keep up.

Brian Simpson 7:05 Yeah, 'cause I'm like... Uh, when it comes to the award shows and shit, I'm like-

Joe Rogan 7:08 Oh.

Brian Simpson 7:08 I'll hear about-

Joe Rogan 7:09 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 7:09 ... the stuff that I need to see.

Joe Rogan 7:11 Yeah, you hear about stuff. You know, we were playing, uh, Johnny Thunder last night. Uh, I'm Alive. And like that's, that's another cool thing about having friends that have great taste. Like you-

Brian Simpson 7:23 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 ... you came up to me, and you're like, "You gotta hear this song."

Brian Simpson 7:26 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:27 And I was... And I was like, "Okay." And he hit me with it, and I was like, "Oh my God, what is this?" And remember we were trying to figure out, like, what year it was made?

Brian Simpson 7:34 Yeah, yeah, it's old school. You know, 'cause that's, that's what I'll do-

Joe Rogan 7:37 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 7:37 ... every, every now and then I'll take a, you know, I'll take a song or I, I can take a playlist and I go make a radio station out of this playlist, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:44 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 7:45 And then, and then I'll he- you know, I'll hear new shit that I haven't heard.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 7:48 So, yeah, that just popped up on me when I was listening to Jimi Hendrix.

Joe Rogan 7:51 God damn, that's a good song. It's so good and it's whole... It's... It just... It made me sad-

Brian Simpson 7:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 ... knowing that the dude's dead, 'cause it's like, I bet he got fucked.

Brian Simpson 8:02 Yeah, and I, and I didn't like any of his other songs. That made me sad. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:05 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 8:07 You know, I'm real disappointed.

Joe Rogan 8:09 I only listened to one of the other songs. I wasn't into it either.

Brian Simpson 8:12 Yeah. 'Cause that's the thing. That's how I know, uh, Oliver Anthony is fine because, you know, you, you heard the hit go viral, but then-

Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 8:18 ... you're like, "But does he have any other good shit?"

Joe Rogan 8:20 Right.

Brian Simpson 8:21 All his other shit's good.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 8:22 All of... Yeah, all of his-

Joe Rogan 8:23 No, it's all good.

Brian Simpson 8:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:24 And he writes it all himself too.

Brian Simpson 8:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:26 You mean, that wav file just... we, we just listened to off of a phone is... I think he has a Samsung Galaxy S20.

Brian Simpson 8:36 Keep your publishing, man.

Joe Rogan 8:38 I mean, that's amazing. It's just a s- a s- it's a three-year-old phone, and the-

Brian Simpson 8:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 ... microphone off the phone records the audio, and then when you listen to that audio, it sounds fucking great.

Brian Simpson 8:48 And, and, but... And you know what? You know what else too? It's like whenever I see a real good live musician, I'm always like, "Fuck these... This is way better than comedy."

Joe Rogan 8:56 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 8:56 You know what I mean? Like, I... Like, we don't have... We can't do what that... Like, what he did, you can't do that with a joke.

Joe Rogan 9:01 They do a different thing. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 9:02 Oh, man, it's a whole different thing.

Joe Rogan 9:04 It's a different thing, and it gets in your soul.

Brian Simpson 9:06 Music, yeah, it makes you feel something.

Joe Rogan 9:08 Yeah, it's like a drug.

Brian Simpson 9:09 Yeah. And it's like people... So... Oh, I don't... You, you... I guarantee you're not aware of this, but, but this, this is a little, this is a little microcosm of what society is. Beyoncé is on tour right now, right? And she has a song where like in the middle of the song she goes, "Everybody on mute," and then you gotta, you gotta, you gotta be quiet for four or five seconds until the beat drops again.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 9:31 And it's... So it's like a challenge. So every city she goes to, she gets to that part of the song and the whole, the whole arena has to be quiet for four or five seconds.

Joe Rogan 9:39 Wow.

Brian Simpson 9:40 And people are fucking it up left and right. Like, like, thousands of people are on board, and there's always two or three motherfuckers that go... scream, "Ah, it's about Beyoncé." And, and everyone's like... You, you know, it's like those people-

Joe Rogan 9:52 They ruin the moment.

Brian Simpson 9:53 Yeah, those people should be arrested, because they're, they're pro-... Like, those are people that are always fucking stuff up for everybody.

Joe Rogan 9:59 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 9:59 It's like che-... All you gotta do is be quiet.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 10:01 I think Atlanta got it right. Atlanta got... LA fucked it up big time.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Of course they did.

Brian Simpson 10:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Fenway's gonna fuck it up. It's gonna be LA.

Brian Simpson 10:09 Fenway? Oh, yeah. Well, Fenway. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:11 (laughs) And if anybody's gonna get it right, it would be Atlanta.

Brian Simpson 10:13 Yeah, yeah, exactly. But-

Joe Rogan 10:14 There'd be people completely disconnected from show business.

Brian Simpson 10:16 Well, I think, I think there should be a study done on this, on like why, why Atlanta? What specifically about Atlanta?

Joe Rogan 10:23 Well-

Brian Simpson 10:24 Right?

Joe Rogan 10:24 ... it's always been known as, known as a fun town. A lot of great artists have come from Atlanta. Uh, a lot of great music, great comedy. It's, uh, it's a city, but it's not a city that is... has anything to do with entertainment. I think when you got anything to do with entertainment-

Brian Simpson 10:41 No, they film. They f- It's a, it's a big film industry.

Joe Rogan 10:43 Right, but not because it started there.

Brian Simpson 10:46 Oh, right, right.

Joe Rogan 10:46 Because they went there for the taxes.

Brian Simpson 10:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:49 You know, they went there because it's easier. Like Massachusetts has that too.

Brian Simpson 10:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:52 What I'm saying about is like you don't move to Georgia to make it as an actor, even though there's d- there's a lot of work there.

Brian Simpson 10:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:58 You move to Hollywood to make it as a... So the most in-... the weirdest, the fucking most fucked up people, the people that are the most needy, they're gonna go to LA.

Brian Simpson 11:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:06 They're gonna go to LA. And it's like ingredients in a soup. If you got too much hot sauce, that soup gets rough, you know.

Brian Simpson 11:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:13 It's... Sometimes it's just a couple of drops. You got a big ass bowl of soup, but if you put some of that fucking Da Bomb stuff... You ever have that stuff?

Brian Simpson 11:19 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I-

Joe Rogan 11:20 Ari gave me a bottle of that stuff. It's ridiculous.

Brian Simpson 11:22 I don't play that. I don't play that.

Joe Rogan 11:23 It's so hot.

Brian Simpson 11:24 No.

Joe Rogan 11:24 It's like too crazy. But my point is a couple of those people scattered around in a city can ruin the city.

Brian Simpson 11:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:32 And then if you have an industry that's like almost entirely filled with crazy people... Like acting, when I meet cool actors, it is so-

Brian Simpson 11:41 It's shocking.

Joe Rogan 11:42 It's such a breath of fresh air. Like, dude, you're so nice. It's so nice to talk to you.

Brian Simpson 11:46 Mm-hmm. You know what they always have in common? They had a rough, rough life before they made, they made it big.

Joe Rogan 11:51 Yeah. A lot of them do.

Brian Simpson 11:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:53 A lot of them do. Some of them are really impressive, and I'm... It makes me embarrassed that I sort of dismiss, uh, some actors.

Brian Simpson 12:02 That's-

Joe Rogan 12:02 I dismiss them as being insane.

Brian Simpson 12:03 That's the safest bet though.

Joe Rogan 12:05 It is a safe bet.

Brian Simpson 12:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:06 It's like... I mean...

Brian Simpson 12:10 'Cause, because, 'cause an actor that is crazy...... if they in your life, it's like, they can act, so they can lie.

Joe Rogan 12:17 (laughs) Yeah.

Brian Simpson 12:18 So-

Joe Rogan 12:18 And they're practicing on you. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 12:20 Yeah. Yeah. And you would have no idea. You know? If Daniel Day-Lewis wanted to lie to your face, you wouldn't be able to tell.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Bro, when- when Amber Heard and Johnny Depp were having arguments that they recorded, I'm like, "This is peak insanity."

Brian Simpson 12:32 Yeah. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 12:32 You have two people who know other people are gonna listen to this.

Brian Simpson 12:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:37 And they're both aware of it because they were told to record their conversations, so they're both being very performative. And they're both, like, conning each other. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 12:47 I know. My favorite part is Danny kept going, "Don't tell me what it's like to be punched. Punched."

Joe Rogan 12:52 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 12:52 The way he says punched, I can't... (laughs) I laugh every time I hear it. "Don't tell me what it's like to be punched."

Joe Rogan 12:57 Isn't that crazy that she was try- trying to tell everybody that he hit her, but meanwhile she hit him? (laughs)

Brian Simpson 13:02 Yeah. Uh, oh, yeah. It was... That... Like, I- I still...

Joe Rogan 13:06 Ugh.

Brian Simpson 13:06 I'll never get over that shit. Like, the... And the way, the way everybody just let her slide after that.

Joe Rogan 13:10 It's weird because if that was a guy that, uh, says-

Brian Simpson 13:14 Tells someone to tell people?

Joe Rogan 13:15 ... made something, made something about some woman and- and, you know, tried to ruin her life like that, like, he'd be shunned. But there still people that, like... Who was someone who t- tweeted a joke about Amber Heard recently. Who was talking about that, Jamie? Uh... They got attacked by... Who was it?

Brian Simpson 13:34 Oh, they said that-

13:35 God damn.

13:35 ... they said a joke that didn't even say her name.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Right.

Brian Simpson 13:38 Right? 'Cause they were talking about her.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 13:41 Would they get canceled?

Joe Rogan 13:42 No, it was just, like, uh, it's almost like she's hired, like, uh, one of those p- I'm not, I'm not accusing her of hiring this, but there are publicity teams you can hire. So, like, if people are saying bad things about you, you can hire a team, and those people will go after anybody who says anything bad about you, and it discourages people from talking shit about you.

Brian Simpson 14:03 Oh. But that's, but that, that doesn't-

Joe Rogan 14:04 It just is probably-

Brian Simpson 14:05 That doesn't work.

Joe Rogan 14:06 It doesn't work, but it... (sighs) It-

Brian Simpson 14:10 I guess it, it lets people know it's not ... you're not gonna be a easy win?

Joe Rogan 14:12 It also makes the argument muddy, 'cause if everybody agrees that she's a psycho-

Brian Simpson 14:18 Oh, right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 14:18 ... you know, then it's like, it's just a echo chamber. But if you get the narrative to, like, "Fuck you, you don't know what happened before that recording," and, you know, "He's an abuser, and this and that," and then, "Amber speaks the truth, and she's a woman, and she was confused," and, like-

Brian Simpson 14:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:34 You know what I mean? Like, there's a lotta people that will chime in and say those things, and if you're hiring people, if you have, like... Say if you're a politician and something goes down, and everyone's blaming you for some particular crisis your city has, if you have a, like, a- a marketing team that has a whole social media aspect to it, a propaganda aspect essentially, you can have a bunch of people arguing for the mayor.

Brian Simpson 15:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:01 And he didn't fuck anything up, and it's the city council's problem, and he warned them in 2014. I mean, they could say shit that's not even true.

Brian Simpson 15:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:09 And especially if they have these weirdo accounts where it's just a bunch of numbers and letters, and y- y- there's no picture attached to it, and you go to them, there's no followers. You're like, "This is wild."

Brian Simpson 15:18 I- I... Well, I got a lotta shit for, uh, for my criticism of Amber Heard, but it's like, hey man, I- I'm not saying she wasn't abused. Sh- she was dating a crazy motherfucker. They were both crazy. But, uh, what... from the evidence I heard, she the only one that sounded like an abuser.

Joe Rogan 15:34 But that's the only evidence we heard. When those two were together... See, you gotta, you gotta imagine they were together for how many years, and how many-

Brian Simpson 15:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 ... drunken fights did they have? Like, who knows who did what to who, but the-

Brian Simpson 15:46 But when you at the point where you... Like, when a bitch shit on your bed, you gotta get out.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Ugh, you gotta get out.

Brian Simpson 15:51 You gotta get out.

Joe Rogan 15:52 (laughs) She's a boundary crosser.

Brian Simpson 15:53 Yeah. I got no empathy for you past that point.

Joe Rogan 15:55 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 15:56 When you gotta start recording your spouse, it's time to go. What you- what you... Why, why even try to win that fight now? Just leave.

Joe Rogan 16:03 I think for people like that too, 'cause they're so famous, it's probably very difficult to find someone new. You know? You would imagine it's like very few people could relate to them. And, you know, they're both beautiful movie stars too.

Brian Simpson 16:16 Yeah. But you can find somebody that's not gonna shit on your bed.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yeah, I bet you can.

Brian Simpson 16:20 That's, that's, that's not a low bar to clear.

Joe Rogan 16:22 It's totally possible. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 16:25 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause I ain't... I don't need... I can't... I don't need... Like, if you, if you ever show me that you gonna introduce chaos to my life, you gone.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Right.

Brian Simpson 16:32 I don't got time for that.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Right. Yeah, you gotta know when.

Brian Simpson 16:36 Yeah. How many bathrooms we got in the house, bitch?

Joe Rogan 16:38 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 16:39 You shitting on the bed.

Joe Rogan 16:41 What kind of drugs are they doing?

Brian Simpson 16:42 Oh, man. Probably the best-

Joe Rogan 16:44 What kind of shit-your-bed drugs. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 16:45 The best drugs, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:47 For sure. I mean, that dude's pals with Keith Richards. It just... You know, publicly, to see something like that is so, uh... It... The thing about it is, though, you know it happens. You know people are nuts. You know people have nutty relationships and nutty fights, but until you, like, really see it, like, and then see a court case about it on television for the whole world to see-

Brian Simpson 17:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:13 You see, like, some pretty, you know, what looks like lies (laughs) you know? A bunch, a bunch of crazy talk, and, you know, just realize, like, this, these guys were in hell. You're thinking of them as movie stars, and they were in hell. They were in hell, in the- the most psycho relationship ever.

Brian Simpson 17:31 And I don't even think, I don't even think it was really about the money. It was like, "I just... I beat you." You know?

Joe Rogan 17:36 Yeah. Well, I think she ruined his career. I think he was getting, uh, kicked off of movies because he was being called an abuser, and he was trying to say that's not true, and she actually used to hit me, and then the recordings come out. And like, you know, I don't... Clearly, I don't know what the fuck happened, but that guy definitely lost that Pirates of the Caribbean role because of that.

Brian Simpson 18:01 Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, oh, well, this is my conclusion from all of it, 'cause, you know, the- the documentary came on Netflix too, right, about it?

Joe Rogan 18:06 I didn't see the documentary.

Brian Simpson 18:07 Yeah, is that she is definitely an abuser, and he is probably an abuser.

Joe Rogan 18:14 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 18:15 You know what I mean? So, if you put a gun to my head, I, I'm, I'm Team Johnny.

Joe Rogan 18:18 Uh...

Brian Simpson 18:18 But-

Joe Rogan 18:19 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 18:19 ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Uh, also, you gotta think that the way he behaves with her, with, if she's abusing him, is different than the way he behaves if someone's not abusing him.

Brian Simpson 18:30 Oh, but a- also, also, man, like, have... You've been in a relationship with crazy people. It's like, they learn how to pull the crazy out of you so they can say... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 18:38 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 18:39 So, it's, it's like, if you're in a r- if long- if you with a person like that long enough, they know exactly how to make you act crazy so they can turn around and go, "He's lost his mind!" You know, so-

Joe Rogan 18:47 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 18:48 ... uh, you know, you know, to, to, for, but, but for people to act like, "Oh, it's Eve and Steve," and I'm like, "No, that's not true, bitch." She is an abuser, for sure. Just the way she was talking.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 18:57 "What you gonna do? You gonna tell people. What, they, they gonna think you a little bitch." Like, who talks like that unless they, you know-

Joe Rogan 19:02 Is that what she said to him?

Brian Simpson 19:03 Yeah, like, I, I don't know the exact words on the recording, but that was the sentiment, of like, "Oh, Johnny, oh, you gonna tell, you gonna tell people I hit you? Oh, and they, and even if they believe you, what, they, you gonna tell them, uh, you getting beat up by me, you little pussy?" Like, that's how she was talking to him.

Joe Rogan 19:16 (sighs)

Brian Simpson 19:16 You, you got the, you got the recording, Jamie?

19:17 No, I guess that's right.

19:19 She's like-

Joe Rogan 19:20 I g- I get it. At that point, you gotta leave.

Brian Simpson 19:22 Yeah, and, and I don't, I don't have no tape from her of him talking like that.

Joe Rogan 19:26 Right.

Brian Simpson 19:26 So I'm like, you know, you... I know you, that's how abusers talk. That's how somebody would talk if you, if, if they were like an abusive parent or anybody. "You tell anybody and you know what's gonna happen?" That's how abusers talk. I don't hear, I don't hear him talk like that. He sound like an abused man. She... You know, and she's-

Joe Rogan 19:40 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 19:40 She sound like an abused woman too. Like, she's saying all the things an abused woman would say, but she a actress.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 19:46 So, like, without the evidence, I'm like, you just killed that role or...

Joe Rogan 19:51 The thing is, she's not really good.

Brian Simpson 19:54 At acting?

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah. She's good, you know what I'm saying? But she's not Daniel Day-Lewis good.

Brian Simpson 20:00 Well, no, nobody is.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Right?

Brian Simpson 20:02 Good.

Joe Rogan 20:02 So if Daniel Day-Lewis could lie to me, I'd be like, "Damn, he really is from 1400."

Brian Simpson 20:07 He sure could.

Joe Rogan 20:07 "He had a fucking time machine, Brian. I'm with a guy with a time machine."

Brian Simpson 20:10 Like, I, yeah, I couldn't tell... Daniel Day-Lewis, Meryl Streep, Denzel-

Joe Rogan 20:13 Yeah, there's a few of them that can just lie right to your face. I don't think she's one of those.

Brian Simpson 20:16 Nah, she don't, she ain't got that. But she can dig deep.

Joe Rogan 20:19 I'm sure she's, well, she's got some emotions she could pull out.

Brian Simpson 20:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:23 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 20:23 So I don't know.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Yeah, I mean, that's also one of the things that's fascinating about acting, is, we kind of reward crazy people that are actors because they're really good at it. Like, some of the nuttiest people that I've ever met were amazing actors.

Brian Simpson 20:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:39 Like, some of them are really good at it and they're fucking crazy.

Brian Simpson 20:42 I think, I think, I think you've gotta be able to tap into... You, you know... Every, every, every kind of artist is, is just, is controlled crazy.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 20:50 It's like you're barely holding your crazy, to containing it.

Joe Rogan 20:53 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 20:54 Yeah, yeah, you kinda gotta be a little nuts just to pursue something, something like that.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Yes.

Brian Simpson 20:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:58 For sure. And then also, you're in this industry that, at least until, you know, recently, rewarded people for being insane.

Brian Simpson 21:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 It was like, it's part of the legend of guys like Jack Nicholson, a part of the legend of the greats, you know.

Brian Simpson 21:14 Yeah, but that's also when they had the most fun.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Mm-hmm. Marlon Brando, out of his fucking mind, remember? He became like 300 pounds, moved to an island.

Brian Simpson 21:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:22 Remember? He stopped acting totally.

Brian Simpson 21:24 Yeah. Well that's c- you know, now, 'cause now, like, I hear, I, I hear stories that, and there's like, there's a photographer that like took a bunch of pictures in the '90s, you know, Hollywood s- underground LA scene, like people in a club having a bunch of fun. 'Cause he's the only one with a camera. Ain't nobody's got cameras, no smartphones.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 21:39 And it was like, that was the last time you could have a great time without-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 21:43 ... like and just let loose without having people sign NDAs and all of this.

Joe Rogan 21:47 (sighs)

Brian Simpson 21:47 It's like, you can't even throw a party without your lawyer now.

Joe Rogan 21:50 You can't.

Brian Simpson 21:51 Nah, nah. Nah. The temp- temptation of clout chase is too high.

Joe Rogan 21:56 What were we just talking about? I was gonna tell you something.

Brian Simpson 21:59 Amber Heard?

Joe Rogan 22:00 Just after that.

Brian Simpson 22:01 Um, people in Hollywood being crazy.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Shit, I can't believe I lost it.

Brian Simpson 22:04 Marlon Brando, Jack Nicholson.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Marlon Brando.

Brian Simpson 22:07 Oh, yeah, they had little g- little gay parties, little gay-

Joe Rogan 22:09 Oh.

Brian Simpson 22:10 ... Eyes Wide Shut parties.

Joe Rogan 22:11 I'm sure you had a lot of that. Goddamn it, I forget what it was now. (sighs) That's the-

Brian Simpson 22:18 Marlon Brando, fat, 300 pounds.

Joe Rogan 22:19 Marlon Brando, fat, 300 pounds.

Brian Simpson 22:21 Moved to an island.

22:23 Island.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Mm-mm.

Brian Simpson 22:24 And then that was it.

Joe Rogan 22:25 I'm not gonna get it.

Brian Simpson 22:26 It'll come back once you stop thinking about it.

Joe Rogan 22:28 It will.

Brian Simpson 22:29 All right.

Joe Rogan 22:29 What is, what is that when that happens? That weird thing-

Brian Simpson 22:32 Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 22:33 ... where your brain just stops-

Brian Simpson 22:34 I-

Joe Rogan 22:34 ... thinking about a thing you were just thinking about?

Brian Simpson 22:36 No, I saw a study... Man, and I can't name the study. I should, probably shouldn't quote it. But they l-

Joe Rogan 22:41 Oh, now I remember what it was.

Brian Simpson 22:42 Yep, there it is.

22:43 There it is.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Thank you.

Brian Simpson 22:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:44 This is what it was. Marlon Brando, when he won the Academy Award, did not accept the Academy Award, instead had a Native American woman go up there and accept the award. And it turns out she wasn't really Native American. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 22:57 (laughs) What? He had Elizabeth Warren accept his award?

Joe Rogan 22:59 She was fake. Yes, Elizabeth Warren went up-

Brian Simpson 23:00 No.

Joe Rogan 23:00 ... and accepted his award. It was, she was f-... And her fucking sister ratted her out, I believe.

Brian Simpson 23:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:06 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 23:06 Hated... It be your, it be your own people that be hating.

Joe Rogan 23:09 See, but she's beautiful. I mean, like, and she's probably crazy. Um, but if you, uh, find the video, it's kind of funny, 'cause like accepting the award for Marlon Brando, and she goes up and talks about... I think she talked about Native American genocide. She was... (laughs) She's a fake Native American. She just made it up. She just, just... She changed her name, like the whole deal. What was her name?

Brian Simpson 23:32 Uh...

23:33 Did he know?

23:34 Sacheen Littlefeather.

Joe Rogan 23:35 Littlefeather. She just called herself Littlefeather. (laughs) He didn't know. He's Marlon Brando. He's on an island fucking everybody that moves. So this lady was not Native American at all. So the... Lookit, it's the Academy Award.

Brian Simpson 23:49 She's from Oxnard, apparently.

Joe Rogan 23:50 What's that?

Brian Simpson 23:50 I heard the Wikipedia says she's from Oxnard.

Joe Rogan 23:52 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 23:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:57 And her sister was like, "You bitch, you're not fucking Native American." Imagine like your sister is crazy and you hate your sister and you're always fighting. And then one day you see that bitch at the Oscars telling everybody she's an Indian. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 24:08 But yeah, but how... But how she fool everybody? She don't even look native.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Well, watch, watch her talk. She kinda does. She kinda does. I mean, she could be. Here, go.

Narrator 24:20 ... seen this Coleman Micro to-

24:25 Hello. My name is Sacheen Littlefeather-

Joe Rogan 24:28 No, it's not. (laughs)

Narrator 24:29 ... and I'm Apache, and I'm president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee. I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, and he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech, which I cannot share with you presently because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards, that he r- very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award. And the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry, excuse me-

25:10 Boo. (applause)

25:15 ... and on television, in movie reruns, and also with recent happenings at Wounded Knee. I beg at this time that I have not-

Joe Rogan 25:25 Okay. (clears throat)

Narrator 25:25 ... intruded-

Joe Rogan 25:25 (clears throat) Wounded Knee was quite a long- What did, what does that- ... time before that. Wh- why did you say, "Recent happenings at Wounded Knee?" There was a protest there or something. Oh, right, right, right.

Brian Simpson 25:37 Yeah, so her, uh, uh, ancestry dispute. Here, like, after, after her death though, which is kind of-

Joe Rogan 25:43 Oh, that's when she got busted?

Brian Simpson 25:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:45 Her biological sisters, Rosalyn Cruz and Trudy Orlandi, who say the family does not have Native American ancestry. Kieler writes that the sisters state that their father, who was born in Oxnard, California, was of Mexican descent and had no tribal ties, nor was he related to the Yaqui tribes of Northern Mexico. Furthermore, Cruz believed Littlefeather fabricated a Native identity because she thought it was more prestigious to be Native American than to be Hispanic. Kieler searched records for Littlefeather's family going back to 1850 and did not find evidence of Native ancestry. So she got away with it.

Brian Simpson 26:20 Damn, Littlefeather walked so Rachel Dolezal could run.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Yeah, well, you know, (laughs) you know, back then, there was no social media. Like, your friends from college couldn't tweet and go, "What?"

Brian Simpson 26:31 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 26:32 "What the fuck are you do..." You know, that's one of the things that happened with Elizabeth Holmes, that lady who ran that Theranos scam-

Brian Simpson 26:37 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 26:38 ... who, who created a fake voice.

Brian Simpson 26:39 The king scammer.

Joe Rogan 26:40 Her friends from college were like, "Why is that bitch talking like that?" (laughs)

Brian Simpson 26:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:43 They would call each other up, "Hey-"

Brian Simpson 26:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:45 "... have you heard her on the news?"

Brian Simpson 26:46 They-

Joe Rogan 26:46 "Why is she fucking talking like she-"

Brian Simpson 26:48 They got her at a party, like, "Totally," and then she, she gets on the, on the stage and she's like...

Joe Rogan 26:51 "We're really excited to bring you-"

Brian Simpson 26:53 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 26:53 "... the most amazing blood data research from a drop of blood." That story is so wild. Have you listened to the Dropout podcast series?

Brian Simpson 27:05 No.

Joe Rogan 27:06 It's really good.

Brian Simpson 27:07 No.

Joe Rogan 27:07 It's really good.

Brian Simpson 27:08 But they made some real good... There, it's some great documentaries on YouTube that are made by, like, one person, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:13 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 27:13 That's the way I learned about it.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Oh, yeah. I mean, you can, I mean, you can do amazing stuff with your phone today.

Brian Simpson 27:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 And just edit it all on your phone and upload it to YouTube.

Brian Simpson 27:21 I know.

Joe Rogan 27:21 It's a wild time.

Brian Simpson 27:22 You ever try that shit though? You g-

Joe Rogan 27:23 No, I don't have the time.

Brian Simpson 27:23 I'm like these, these kids have-

Joe Rogan 27:25 My kids do it.

Brian Simpson 27:26 They have this shit mastered.

Joe Rogan 27:27 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 27:27 'Cause I tr- I try to do it, and I'm like, "Wait a minute, did you just spend two hours making a 15-second video?"

Joe Rogan 27:32 Right.

Brian Simpson 27:32 They're like, "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yeah, they don't care.

Brian Simpson 27:34 Yeah, I don't, I, I don't got it.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Yeah, they'll make these intricate TikTok videos that are 15 seconds and they'll work all day on it. But, it's just like, you know, I mean, we're, we're just, we're dinosaurs when it comes to that stuff.

Brian Simpson 27:48 I'm, you know, well, I'm, I'm kinda, I consider myself tech-savvy. I'm, and I'm not, but I'm not really social media, uh, literate.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 27:56 You know? Yeah, 'cause like sometimes, like I've had old, I've had young people make fun of, like, the angle that I took my picture from. And I'm like, "When did the rules ch-" You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 28:05 ... that's what, they tell me, "Oh, you take a selfie like an old man." I'm like, "What does that mean? I thought you just take a picture of yourself."

Joe Rogan 28:10 Yeah, that's so stupid.

Brian Simpson 28:11 Yeah. And, and I guess there's a way that old people always hold the camera and I guess, and I, I, I just-

Joe Rogan 28:17 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 28:17 ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Yeah. Who cares how you take pictures?

Brian Simpson 28:21 Yeah. That, that, that's the weird thing about comedy because, um, 'cause like Der- Derek and Hasan are, they're two of my closest friends, but I'm like 10 years older than them.

Joe Rogan 28:29 Right.

Brian Simpson 28:29 You know what I mean? So, like, they're always old-manning me, and I'm s- they're right.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Well, I'm way older than them.

Brian Simpson 28:35 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:36 When I'm around them too.

Brian Simpson 28:36 But that's how, but that's just how it is. But they keep me young, or they keep me-

Joe Rogan 28:39 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 28:40 ... or at least they let me know when I'm, when I'm being lame, which is-

Joe Rogan 28:42 Well, it's always fun to check in on the young generation, like, "What, what are you guys into?"

Brian Simpson 28:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:47 "What is that, what does that mean? What does 'cap' mean?"

Brian Simpson 28:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:50 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 28:51 "No cap, what does that mean?"

Joe Rogan 28:52 Oh, 'ca-'

Brian Simpson 28:53 That means "no bullshit." Why don't you just say "no bullshit"? Why do you have to have a new word for "no bullshit"? Oh, well, yeah, 'cause "cap", 'cause "cap" could also just mean lie.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Right.

Brian Simpson 29:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Right. How'd that happen?

Brian Simpson 29:03 I have-

Joe Rogan 29:03 How did "cap" become lie?

Brian Simpson 29:04 I don't know the originate, the origination of it, honestly.

Joe Rogan 29:07 I found out from Schultze. I heard Schultze talk about it.

Brian Simpson 29:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:10 He goes, "Cap." I go, "What does that mean?"

Brian Simpson 29:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:12 He goes, "I call cap." I go, "What are you calling?" (laughs)

Brian Simpson 29:15 But that, but that, but that's the thing is like, but cap, see, Black people been saying "cap" for, like, 20 years.

Joe Rogan 29:18 Oh, so it's like woke.

Brian Simpson 29:20 Yeah, it's like Tik-

Joe Rogan 29:21 So-

Brian Simpson 29:21 ... TikTok just, like-

Joe Rogan 29:22 Mm.

Brian Simpson 29:23 ... TikTok has, has shortened the amount of time from when Black people say some cool shit and then white people make it lame.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Ah!

Brian Simpson 29:31 You know what I mean? 'Cause it-

Joe Rogan 29:32 Right, it's a fucking shorter window.

Brian Simpson 29:33 Yeah, yeah. It used to be, you know, Black people would say some cool shit, and it would be, you know, pushed to the side, and then maybe 10 years later, Black parents are saying it, and so now it's lame to the Black kids. But by that time, the white kids are saying it.

Joe Rogan 29:45 Hm.

Brian Simpson 29:45 Right? And then we already off it, and then the b- and then the white parents are saying it-

Joe Rogan 29:49 Right.

Brian Simpson 29:50 ... and now it's lame. You know-

Joe Rogan 29:51 I'm bringing back groovy.

Brian Simpson 29:52 Like, da bomb. But, like, we, w- who says that? Nobody.

Joe Rogan 29:55 Right, who's saying "da bomb" now? White ladies-

Brian Simpson 29:57 White grandparents, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:58 ... in the middle of the Midwest.

Brian Simpson 29:59 Yeah, so it's like, uh, but now, but that used to take, like, 20 years. Now it's-

Joe Rogan 30:03 Right.

Brian Simpson 30:03 ... now it's, like, a year and a half.

Joe Rogan 30:05 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 30:05 'Cause it, 'cause it hit TikTok, and it hits everybody.

Joe Rogan 30:08 You know what it's like? It's like a hourglass, but they just opened up the pipe.

Brian Simpson 30:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:12 And sand flows through quicker.

Brian Simpson 30:13 Yeah. I'll, like, I'll have, I'll have people, like young people on TikTok telling me, like, "Oh, y- that's not what that means." I'm like, "That is what it means. That's, that, we made it up."

Joe Rogan 30:21 Isn't that fascinating, like, how quick things change now? Like, cultural things change?

Brian Simpson 30:26 Yeah. The way that me and the fuckboy changed quick.

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... yeah.

Brian Simpson 30:30 Yeah. Because, you know ... You may not even know Ian Edwards.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Yeah. I remember that bit.

Brian Simpson 30:34 He ... Yeah, he used to have a bit about fuckboy, and then-

Joe Rogan 30:36 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Brian Simpson 30:36 ... right under his feet, the meaning changed, (smacks hands) 'cause the kids, you know?

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 30:41 And it ... And I, I think he's ... I don't know if he still has the bit. But, yeah, it's like they, they're changing it up 'cause, 'cause all ... 'cause what it takes is ... So, you know how sometimes you'll hear, you'll hear a slang word, and you'll try to (claps hands) figure out what it means.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Right.

Brian Simpson 30:53 So what happens is somebody that doesn't know what it means will just assume (hands clap) what it means, be wrong, but popular.

Joe Rogan 30:59 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 31:00 And then ... And so the whole meaning of it changes.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 31:02 You know, they go viral on TikTok, and the next thing you know they telling you you wrong, you know?

Joe Rogan 31:07 The TikTok generation is like ... How much attention do they have?

Brian Simpson 31:11 (clicks tongue) Man.

Joe Rogan 31:12 You're, you're, you're essentially being programmed from the time you're very young to look at something very quickly and just get a little bit of information, move on.

Brian Simpson 31:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:19 Little bit of information, move on.

Brian Simpson 31:21 Well, there's a bunch of people that want to be famous for free.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 31:23 'Cause they think fame is the prize. It's like, oh no, no, no, no, no. Fame su- ... Like, fame without money sucks. You don't wanna be-

Joe Rogan 31:29 Right.

Brian Simpson 31:29 You don't wanna be famous and broke.

Joe Rogan 31:30 But you're looking at it as a person with talent who has a career. What they're looking at is like, "Hey, maybe I don't have to get a job."

Brian Simpson 31:38 Yeah, you know what?

Joe Rogan 31:38 Like, if I could just fucking dance around-

Brian Simpson 31:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:40 ... in front of my phone, maybe I'm not getting a job.

Brian Simpson 31:41 You know what, kids? Y'all o- ... Y'all owing us something. Yeah, 'cause work- working sucks.

Joe Rogan 31:44 Working sucks.

Brian Simpson 31:45 Ma- ... Like, put ... You know, (clears throat) I was just, I was just telling the homie this, but there's n- ... There w- ... I don't remember ever feeling so bad about myself in life until ... Except for that ... The, the period where I was working my ass off just to make enough to go to work. Like, I only had enough money to, you know, to eat and go to work and go home and come back-

Joe Rogan 32:07 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 32:07 ... and go to ... And even ... So even on my days off I couldn't do shit 'cause I wasn't making enough money. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 32:12 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 32:12 And that j- ... If all you can ... That's how I know ... That's how I know living is more important than working. You don't ... We don't ... You don't live to work. You work to live. So, so nobody wants to just work. If you ... 'Cause when you just work, you feel like shit. You wanna die.

Joe Rogan 32:25 All the time.

Brian Simpson 32:26 But it's the opposite also. When you don't work at all, you die in a different way.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Right.

Brian Simpson 32:30 You feel useless. You gotta have a purpose.

Joe Rogan 32:33 You feel useless and you don't get anything done.

Brian Simpson 32:35 Yeah, and you don't grow.

Joe Rogan 32:36 When you don't have a job, like, you don't get anything done 'cause you don't have any money, so you can't really do stuff.

Brian Simpson 32:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:40 And so you're just kinda at your house all day just waiting.

Brian Simpson 32:43 But sometimes, sometimes ... I'll put it to you like this. I've never been envious of somebody that's being worked to death.

Joe Rogan 32:50 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 32:51 But I've walked past some homeless people that laid out on the sidewalk, you know? And I'm like, "You know what? There's something to that." Just not giving a fuck, like, you ... Wherever you are, you at home.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Mm.

Brian Simpson 33:01 Now, y- yeah, you don't care about the smell. Who gives a fuck? It's, it's pissy out here, but you're comfortable.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Mm.

Brian Simpson 33:07 That ... If I had to choose between the two, I, I don't know. I have a tough decision.

Joe Rogan 33:12 You could always find a public shower.

Brian Simpson 33:14 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:16 The thing is, like, y- ... It just sucks. It sucks being homeless. There's no good thing about being homeless. But there's also no good thing about wor- ... Y- ... Like, you don't want either or.

Brian Simpson 33:23 O- o- ... Once you at ... But once you at the point where you not rewarded for smelling good, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:28 Right. No-

Brian Simpson 33:28 Like, like, my life's the same whether I smell good or not.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Right.

Brian Simpson 33:32 Who knows?

Joe Rogan 33:32 Yeah, you just live on the street no matter what.

Brian Simpson 33:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:34 They don't care what you smell like.

Brian Simpson 33:35 Well, some of them be just high as a motherfucker. They not even out there.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 33:38 So you l- ... When you run into them, you, you see them as out there. But they, they not even there. They somewhere ... They in the clouds.

Joe Rogan 33:44 We ran into this lady at a gas station out here, and her head was ... Her posture was so bad that her head hung down. Like, instead of staying ... Going straight up from her shoulders, her ... Somehow or another, her neck had her head, like, all the way-

Brian Simpson 34:03 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 34:03 ... all the way down. It didn't look ... It didn't look possible. Like, she might have legitimately had a broken neck at one point in time and didn't do anything about it.

Brian Simpson 34:10 Oh, Lord.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Like, that's how bad it was. And this poor lady, she was probably in her 60s, or she might have been a hard 50.

Brian Simpson 34:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Just cracked out of her mind, scabs everywhere, clothes dirty and disheveled, and she just coming up to us and asking us for money. And she can't even look you in the eyes, and it was just like-

Brian Simpson 34:30 Oh, she-

Joe Rogan 34:31 You ... You were someone's little-

Brian Simpson 34:31 She's just holding a mirror like this.

Joe Rogan 34:33 She was someone's little baby.

Brian Simpson 34:35 Mm.

Joe Rogan 34:35 She was someone's little baby girl up to that point.

Brian Simpson 34:36 Oh, I thought you said she was holding a baby. That's why-

Joe Rogan 34:38 No, no, no. At one point in time she was someone's little baby girl.

Brian Simpson 34:41 Yeah. It's been a long time since she was that old.

Joe Rogan 34:43 But isn't that wild? Like, like, it can go so bad.

Brian Simpson 34:47 Mm. You know a wild fact that I discovered? And this is ... You know, correct me if I'm wrong, fans, but I have a theory that, you know ... Um, you know how you see crackheads, like how ... They have a funny walk sometimes?

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 35:00 I have a theory that, uh, that people that are strung out on drugs, they, they walk like they still have the ass that they used to have, you know? So you ... Like, if you see a ... If you see a crackhead lady, like, walking funny, picture her with a fatter ass.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Mm.

Brian Simpson 35:17 And it makes sense.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Right, because she's still, in her mind, looks-

Brian Simpson 35:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:22 ... like that.

Brian Simpson 35:22 Her hips was trained on her a- ... On her, on her good ass.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Right.

Brian Simpson 35:26 But now she on crack and it done shrank to nothing, but she still got the movements.

Joe Rogan 35:30 Hm.

Brian Simpson 35:31 Yeah. Let's, let's see. Let's see if I'm right.

Joe Rogan 35:33 You know what scares the shit out of me that I've been seeing on Instagram is, um, anorexics.

Brian Simpson 35:39 Mm.

Joe Rogan 35:39 There was some anorexic lady who was dancing around on Instagram, and then I, I told my daughter about it, and she knew the girl's name. Like, Eugenia or something like that.

Brian Simpson 35:48 And is she ... Wait, wait. Is this, like-

Joe Rogan 35:50 She's a famous, uh, Instagram, or TikTok-

Brian Simpson 35:53 But she, she's famous ... She's famous for being an, an anorexic?

Joe Rogan 35:56 I believe that's part of what she's famous for, yeah.

Brian Simpson 35:58 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Because when ... You know, I used to do yoga at this pla- ... Yeah, there she is.

Brian Simpson 36:02 Oh, no, baby girl. No.

Joe Rogan 36:03 L- ... You should see the videos. See if you find videos of it, 'cause, like, when she's dancing arou- ... Like, that one down there with the microphone in her hand, that's the one I saw. Like, look at this. That's crazy, man.

Brian Simpson 36:16 Ah, goddamn. That-

Joe Rogan 36:17 That scares-

Brian Simpson 36:17 That wig look like it's weighing her down.

Joe Rogan 36:19 Bro, that scares the shit out of me.

Brian Simpson 36:21 I, I ... So wait a minute. I ... Damn.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Look at her hips.

Brian Simpson 36:24 Why are you showing me this?

Joe Rogan 36:24 Look at the bones. Look at the bones in her hips. I mean, (clears throat) I used to do yoga-

Brian Simpson 36:29 God.

Joe Rogan 36:30 ... with this lady who was an anorexic.... she, I, um, oh, I shouldn't say used to do, I did it once. I showed up at this class and this lady-

Brian Simpson 36:37 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 36:38 ... was there. And, you know, at the beginning of the class, like before the class starts, people are, like, warming up and stuff. And I, I, I look over and I had to do one of these, like, like, "Don't, don't freak out," go (gasps) because she was like 70 pounds. She looked like that lady. But she was, like, right next to me, on the mat right next to me.

Brian Simpson 36:56 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 36:56 I was like, "Oh my God."

Brian Simpson 36:57 Is she doing jujitsu?

Joe Rogan 36:58 No, no, no. Yoga.

Brian Simpson 36:59 Oh, oh-

Joe Rogan 37:00 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 37:01 ... okay. (laughs) I was about to say, I was about to say, get her out of there!

Joe Rogan 37:03 (laughs) Oh, just let her tap me. Just go ahead, get me.

Brian Simpson 37:07 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Um, no. She, this poor lady. She ma- it made me so sad. It was-

Brian Simpson 37:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 37:10 It was so sad.

Brian Simpson 37:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:11 It was so sad because she doesn't... You could fix that with food. Like, you, you-

Brian Simpson 37:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... you're, you're at yoga class. You're not poor.

Brian Simpson 37:17 That's why that, that's way more alarming-

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 37:20 ... than like morbid obesity.

Joe Rogan 37:21 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 37:22 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 37:22 It's weird.

Brian Simpson 37:23 'Cause it, that's a... It seems like an easier fix.

Joe Rogan 37:25 But I think we have to realize, this is really important, we have to realize that, you know, when we judge people like that lady, or like even like, you know, someone who's morbidly obese, like Lizzo or something like that.

Brian Simpson 37:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:37 If you... She's not morbidly, right? Is she?

Brian Simpson 37:40 No, but I was just, you know, I would just sit here thinking, "Damn, I'm glad he, I'm glad he didn't say Lizzo."

Joe Rogan 37:44 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 37:45 That's the, that's the easy, that's the easy way to go. (laughs) 'Cause everybody always goes Lizzo.

Joe Rogan 37:49 Tim Dillon. Let's say Tim Dillon.

Brian Simpson 37:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:52 Um, (laughs) uh.

Brian Simpson 37:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:56 It's, uh, well, I think what we have to really think about, and I, I never used to think about this when I was younger 'cause I was a hard ass, uh, I think you have to really understand that like there's something wrong. There's something wrong. Just like there's something wrong when someone thinks that, uh, demons are talking to them. Just like there's something wrong when someone can't stop gambling. There's something wrong when, uh, someone is starving themselves to death and they don't realize that it looks insane.

Brian Simpson 38:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 Like, there's something wrong. It's like with bodybuilders that never feel like they're big enough. You know, you know, that's a thing?

Brian Simpson 38:30 Yeah, yeah. It's like body dysmorphia.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Yes, it's body dysmorphia.

Brian Simpson 38:33 That's body dysmorphia. When you look in the mirror, you don't see what everybody else sees.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 38:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:36 And I think that it's not even just that they don't see it, it's just like they don't have control of what's happening. There's a bunch of factors and, and everyone's like, "Oh, you've got control. You can go." Right, you do if you are at your best. If you were captured by the Viet Cong-

Brian Simpson 38:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:53 ... and fucking tortured for three years, do you think you'd be the same person? You wouldn't be, all right?

Brian Simpson 38:57 No.

Joe Rogan 38:57 And if you lived some horrific life filled with, uh, physical and sexual abuse and, and violence and crime and incarceration.

Brian Simpson 39:07 Or not, or not even that.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 39:09 Sometimes-

Joe Rogan 39:09 Any of these factors.

Brian Simpson 39:10 ... one thing, one traumatic event can fuck your whole shit up.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Sure.

Brian Simpson 39:14 You know?

Joe Rogan 39:14 And all there's a... Th- the point is there's so many factors that lead to a person starving themself to, to death on TikTok. Like it's not as simple as, "That girl just needs to eat." It's like that, there's a problem. And the problem is showing itself as a skeleton. But the pro- there's a lot of problems.

Brian Simpson 39:35 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:35 It's not as simple as like, "She doesn't know what she looks like," right?

Brian Simpson 39:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:41 There's something dark there.

Brian Simpson 39:42 So, wha- so, fuck, this, this is gonna fuck me. This is gonna haunt me. Is she... So, is she famous for being the anorexic girl?

Joe Rogan 39:51 I don't know. I just saw that video and I brought it up to my daughter. My daughter knew her name.

Brian Simpson 39:55 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 39:56 She knew who she was and she pulled up videos and she was like, "It's so sad." And I was like, "It is sad." And they, she doesn't know that it looks terrible.

Brian Simpson 40:04 Especially 'cause like, I'm, I'm pretty sure like when your body fat percentage drops to a certain, like it's life-threatening.

Joe Rogan 40:11 Oh, she's 100% life-threatening.

Brian Simpson 40:13 Yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 40:13 Dude, it's l- it's life-threatening for sure. Starvation is one of the absolute worst things that could happen to your body 'cause your body starts to digest itself.

Brian Simpson 40:22 Yeah. You know, you notice how you never hear the, uh, the body positive movement is never like, "Just because she's that skinny don't mean (laughs) she, she ain't healthy."

Joe Rogan 40:32 Right. Exactly.

Brian Simpson 40:32 Like, nah, that bitch about to die, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Exactly. There's no body positivity movement for not eating.

Brian Simpson 40:37 No. Hell no.

Joe Rogan 40:38 (coughs)

Brian Simpson 40:38 According to Wikipedia, this is her first video that went viral on like 10 years ago on WorldstarHipHop.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Okay. So then she looks just thin.

Brian Simpson 40:46 Yeah. But she, she looks like her mom and dad probably like, "You need to eat, baby." Like that's, that's what is not an emergency.

Joe Rogan 40:52 Well, it's, she's very thin but she also looks like she's frail framed.

Brian Simpson 40:57 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 40:58 Like she's a small person.

Brian Simpson 40:59 Little frame, but she still looks healthy.

Joe Rogan 41:01 (clears throat) Yeah. The, between that and what she's at now. Now, look you could see like her legs, you don't see these bones poking out everywhere.

Brian Simpson 41:09 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 41:10 It's mental illness, man. I mean, it's 100% mental illness.

Brian Simpson 41:13 And look, she's... Especially when, when, you know, and you know, when you, when you got to twerk from the knees, play that. She twerking from the knees.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Well, she doesn't have a lot to work with-

Brian Simpson 41:22 Mm, mm, mm.

Joe Rogan 41:22 ... you know?

Brian Simpson 41:23 No.

Joe Rogan 41:23 I mean, she's a tiny lady. She's so frail. But to see her like that, like, uh-

Brian Simpson 41:30 Man.

Joe Rogan 41:30 ... she's, it's just any ano- like I said, that lady who just take yoga, it was like watching her do it was just like, "Oh my God."

Brian Simpson 41:37 Yeah. 'Cause how do you, how do you cure anorexia? Is it, is it just, it's like it's a ma- it's like has anyone cured it?

Joe Rogan 41:43 Um, yes. Yeah. People have bounced back from it. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 41:46 Mm.

Joe Rogan 41:46 I don't know what they have to do to bounce back from it. And maybe, you know, I think like a lot of it gets exacerbated by, you know, models. Like they have to-

Brian Simpson 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 ... they have to starve themselves and, and-

Brian Simpson 41:57 When, when, when your relationship with food is compromised, I think that pipe- might be the most dangerous. Like even the opposite, like food addiction.

Joe Rogan 42:04 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 42:04 It's like when your, when your drug is food-

Joe Rogan 42:07 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 42:08 ... that, that feels, feels like such a... 'Cause, 'cause you, you can't quit food.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Right.

Brian Simpson 42:13 You know? It's, it's almost, it'll almost be like if you had to do a little heroin every day and you-

Joe Rogan 42:17 Right. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 42:17 ... you had a heroin problem.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Yes. Exactly.

Brian Simpson 42:18 You know, it's like you got to eat. So...

Joe Rogan 42:20 Right. You have to eat. It's the only addiction that you can't ever just abstain from.

Brian Simpson 42:25 Right. Right. So that's, that's tough. But then what is this? Is it like you're... Is it like the signal, like the... Something's fucked up with-... the chain of events that happens when you put food in your mouth, where like your body, instead of being like, "Oh, that's great," it's like, "Get this the fuck out of me."

Joe Rogan 42:40 I think for this lady, I mean, who knows what, what led her down to being a skeleton, but it's like, they think that thinner is better. Just like when, when women have like crazy implants.

Brian Simpson 42:52 Or like just super gigantic-

Joe Rogan 42:54 Super gigantic triple Z implants.

Brian Simpson 42:55 ... Yeah, like Nancy Pelosi.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Yeah, like, you're like Je-

Brian Simpson 42:58 Big old knockers.

Joe Rogan 42:58 ... Like, "G- like what are you doing?" Like, "What are you doing?"

Brian Simpson 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:01 You know, they, they don't see it. They want them bigger. They want them bigger.

Brian Simpson 43:04 Yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 43:04 It's like it becomes some crazy-

Brian Simpson 43:06 Plastic surgery reveals so much.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 43:09 It's like, don't... Do you... 'Cause I'm... The, the big one now is like the lip injections. (smacks lips) And you see some people where you're like, "You know that don't look-"

Joe Rogan 43:16 Right.

Brian Simpson 43:16 "You know like you got stung by a bee on your lip."

Joe Rogan 43:18 Well, it's j- Your face has symmetry to it. There's like a certain ratio to like the distance between the eyes and the length and the nose-

Brian Simpson 43:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:27 ... and where the chin is. And when one of those things is off, your, your brain is going, "Why is your nose so little?"

Brian Simpson 43:32 But also, like there's wrinkles on your bottom lip.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 43:35 So when you get too much of a lip injection, it looks smooth. Your lip looks smooth.

Joe Rogan 43:39 Right.

Brian Simpson 43:39 So it looks swollen.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Right.

Brian Simpson 43:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 43:42 Right.

Brian Simpson 43:42 And even, even though somebody might look at your face and not notice what's off, they notice, they know something's off.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Right.

Brian Simpson 43:47 You know?

Joe Rogan 43:48 Right.

Brian Simpson 43:48 It's like, "Why your lip smooth, bitch? That's weird."

Joe Rogan 43:50 "Why are they so shiny and stretched?" (laughs)

Brian Simpson 43:52 (laughs) Right. So...

Joe Rogan 43:53 So (clears throat) I never thought of that part.

Brian Simpson 43:56 Yeah, it looks weird to me.

Joe Rogan 43:57 The lip thing doesn't work. It's like we, we went for boobs and they're like, "Okay, what about lips? Let's try lips. Everybody likes full lips." And they tried it, but it's like, that's your face.

Brian Simpson 44:08 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:10 But I think you could do a little and pull it off. Some girls are, are, think they're doing a little bit of it.

Brian Simpson 44:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:15 ... and pull it off.

Brian Simpson 44:15 Some, some, some people have nailed it.

Joe Rogan 44:17 But you gotta be careful not to get crazy. You don't wanna be the skeleton lady. You know what I mean?

Brian Simpson 44:22 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 44:22 You, you don't wanna be obese. You don't wanna be the bodybuilder that thinks he's small.

Brian Simpson 44:26 And I just feel like if she's been at it... If she's been like this for that long, don't they get to the point where they, uh, where they fuck up their esophagus from throwing up so much?

Joe Rogan 44:35 Well, I don't think she's eating, so she's probably not throwing-

Brian Simpson 44:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:37 She's probably barely alive, man. When you're that little, I mean, e- essentially her body has deteriorated, right? Like you're, you're not seeing anything but the bones, all the hip bones-

Brian Simpson 44:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:47 ... and everything like that. You don't see any meat.

Brian Simpson 44:49 But let's be honest, she looked like she was having a blast. I mean, it's, it-

Joe Rogan 44:52 In that one video?

Brian Simpson 44:52 ... it's easy to look like that for 15 seconds when you're shooting a video.

Joe Rogan 44:55 She's probably been asleep for 11 hours-

Brian Simpson 44:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:57 ... after that video. She probably has zero energy.

Brian Simpson 45:00 How is she making money from being an influencer?

Joe Rogan 45:02 I guess so. I don't know.

Brian Simpson 45:02 But what does she... But what product is...

Joe Rogan 45:05 None.

Brian Simpson 45:06 What does she s-

Joe Rogan 45:07 Ads, maybe, you know?

Brian Simpson 45:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:08 People just like-

Brian Simpson 45:09 She has hundreds of thousands of followers. She was You- up for YouTuber of the Year in 2020.

45:13 How?

45:14 I've, I've never heard of her. I don't, I don't know her content.

Joe Rogan 45:17 YouTuber of the Year?

Brian Simpson 45:18 I can't tell you.

45:18 She might be. Her YouTube might be fire though.

Joe Rogan 45:20 It might be. Why are we judging?

Brian Simpson 45:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:22 We don't even watch any of these amazing videos.

Brian Simpson 45:24 Well... (coughs) No, I think she's-

45:24 She's got over two million followers on YouTube.

45:24 No, bro. I think it's just... I think it's a sweepstakes, like people are, pe- people are betting money on when she's gonna eat and she just teases them every week.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Well...

Brian Simpson 45:30 She just puts, puts the spoon right here.

Joe Rogan 45:32 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 45:33 No.

Joe Rogan 45:34 I hope she gets better.

Brian Simpson 45:35 I do too, man.

Joe Rogan 45:36 I really do. It's, it's... That, that, that's a sad one.

Brian Simpson 45:38 How, how old is, how old is that girl?

45:40 She's almost 30.

45:40 Almost 30. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:43 Yeah, when you lose that kind of weight and get that thin, that has to be... What is... Let's Google, uh, anorexia and its effect, its detrimental health effects on the human body. It's got to be horrific. 'Cause I know weight cutting is fucking absolutely brutal for these fighters, but that's severe dehydration, which is not quite the same thing. But they do... They get real thin before they do that a lot of times. At least they used to. Guys are getting better at cutting just all the water out now.

Brian Simpson 46:11 Oh, yeah. Well, I remember when I... I see, I never got to see it up close till we went to, uh, fight week.

Joe Rogan 46:16 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 46:17 And I was like, "Oh, damn." Like, you gotta leave these motherfuckers alone.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 46:20 (laughs) Yeah, like the day before, they, that-

Joe Rogan 46:23 They're so tired.

Brian Simpson 46:23 ... they look, they look, they look like they, like they just, like somebody just rescued them from something.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Well, they did. They rescued them from death. They legitimately are at death's door. Okay, you... This is complications of anorexia include anemia, heart problems such as mitral valve prolapse, abnormal heart rhythms or heart failure, bone loss, osteoporosis, increasing the risk of fractures, loss of muscle, in females, absence of period, in males, decreased testosterone, gastrointestinal problems such as constipation, bloating or nausea, electrolyte abnormalities such as low blood pota- uh, potassium, sodium and chloride and kidney problems. Um, here's a question. What's the ratio of men with anorexia versus women?

Brian Simpson 47:09 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:10 And how many of the men who have anorexia are gay men?

Brian Simpson 47:14 Hmm, I think... I mean, it might be a problem, but I-

Joe Rogan 47:17 I bet, I bet it's very few-

Brian Simpson 47:18 But see-

Joe Rogan 47:18 ... men have anorexia.

Brian Simpson 47:19 I bet... I... Well, but I think that's starting to change, right? Because right now-

Joe Rogan 47:25 People are non-binary.

Brian Simpson 47:26 No, but it... No.

Joe Rogan 47:27 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 47:27 No, but, but right now, Pete Davidson is a sex symbol. Pete Davidson and Machine Gun Kelly, like, wom- like, young white women love the, you know, the, the sick looking...

Joe Rogan 47:37 Sort of.

Brian Simpson 47:38 Like the real malnourished looking guys.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Sort of, until-

Brian Simpson 47:41 So-

Joe Rogan 47:41 ... Jason Momoa shows up.

Brian Simpson 47:43 Well... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:45 Right?

Brian Simpson 47:45 Right? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm-

Joe Rogan 47:47 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 47:47 But what I'm saying is-

Joe Rogan 47:48 And then your ex start talking.

Brian Simpson 47:49 What I'm saying is guy... More guys don't mi- 'Cause men do what gets them laid.

Joe Rogan 47:55 Yes.

Brian Simpson 47:55 You know? And so it's like, that's all... That's why it's not very ma- many anorexic men.

Joe Rogan 47:59 Yeah, but they're not gonna try that hard to, to stop eating.

Brian Simpson 48:03 Anorexia.

Joe Rogan 48:03 I bet you a lot of pe- a lot of men in the model industry are probably anorexic.

Brian Simpson 48:06 I would think they would have to be fit.

Joe Rogan 48:08 'Cause... No, because all... Well, they do but, but you don't, you don't have to look like her to, to be anorexic.

Brian Simpson 48:13 Like...

48:13 Yeah, the, the research I'm trying to find does says there's either the problem... There is a lot of... It's just general eating disorder.

48:20 Right.

48:20 It's big in men. Going to anorexia is... I think it's tough to find the research.

48:23 Well, overeating is probably bigger in men.

48:25 Correct. Yeah, that's what I was even finding. They... The first study, uh, they had double the amount of women responded even, but it's-... twice as many men said they had a eating disorder than women.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Right. But that-

Brian Simpson 48:37 In this study.

Joe Rogan 48:37 ... just could be they're addicted to eating, for-

Brian Simpson 48:38 Correct. I mean, most of it's, yeah, overeating. So-

Joe Rogan 48:40 So they don't have s- data on just anorexia?

Brian Simpson 48:42 I'm trying to find it and then I have not located it yet.

Joe Rogan 48:46 Why don't you Google how many men have anorexia? Just Google that. I'm curious just what the numbers is.

Brian Simpson 48:52 I bet you it's surprisingly low.

48:53 It says-

Joe Rogan 48:54 20.

Brian Simpson 48:54 ... percentage of anorexics are 25% are men.

Joe Rogan 48:58 T- a quarter of-

Brian Simpson 48:58 Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:58 ... anorexics are men?

Brian Simpson 48:59 10-25%.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Okay.

Brian Simpson 49:01 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 49:01 So let's say it's-

Brian Simpson 49:01 That's higher than... Oh, yes.

49:02 ... an underestimate.

Joe Rogan 49:02 That's higher than I would think. But what's the number of total anorexics?

Brian Simpson 49:06 Uh... I don't remem-

Joe Rogan 49:12 It say 10-25% are men? Is that what it-

Brian Simpson 49:15 That's what's-

Joe Rogan 49:15 ... what you're saying?

Brian Simpson 49:15 ... saying, yeah. It does.

Joe Rogan 49:16 Do they have to-

Brian Simpson 49:17 Uh...

Joe Rogan 49:17 ... self-report? (laughs) Does each go below-

Brian Simpson 49:19 That's like, yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 49:19 ... 80 pounds, you have to re-

Brian Simpson 49:20 Yeah, that's how they'd have to know. You'd have to go get help for them to find out.

Joe Rogan 49:23 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 49:23 So it's out of... It cites 20 million women and 10 million men have an eating disorder.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Mm.

Brian Simpson 49:27 Males make up 25% of people with anorexia.

Joe Rogan 49:31 Hm. 25%?

Brian Simpson 49:33 Wow.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Wow.

Brian Simpson 49:35 Because they're often diagnosed later than females, they are at a higher risk of dying.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Ooh.

Brian Simpson 49:41 I think that's probably true of every disease.

Joe Rogan 49:43 Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 49:44 It also says it's not common in people over the age of 40.

Joe Rogan 49:48 Interesting. So it's only common when you want someone to fuck you. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 49:53 (laughs)

49:53 Yeah. I, well, I think, I think it's probably just common when, w- when, like, the most young, impressionable people.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Hm.

Brian Simpson 49:58 'Cause once you over 40, you're like, "I don't give a fuck."

Joe Rogan 50:00 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 50:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:01 Hopefully. Hopefully, you get to the I-don't-give-a-fuck 40s, 'cause there's nothing sadder than someone who's, like, in their 60s and still gives a fuck.

Brian Simpson 50:10 Yeah, dude, it's like you wasting... That's the only benefit.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 50:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:12 The only benefit.

Brian Simpson 50:13 It's like...

50:14 This also adds just for-

50:15 Yeah.

50:15 ... men are likely underdiagnosed with eating disorders because clinical assessment tools emphasize a desire to lose weight as opposed to building muscle. So they might not... I mean, I guess they're asking a bunch of questions and they don't mind to ask guys the right questions maybe either. Women have a 1.5 to 7.5 to three times higher prevalence for anorexia-bulimia, so that bulimia might be more prevalent in men.

50:38 Okay, so wait a minute, what's, what's the difference between bulimia and anorexia?

Joe Rogan 50:40 Bulimia-

Brian Simpson 50:41 Bulimia is-

Joe Rogan 50:41 ... you throw up your food.

Brian Simpson 50:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:42 You eat and then you throw it up.

Brian Simpson 50:44 Okay, that's why I was talking about the damaged esophagus.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Yes.

Brian Simpson 50:47 Okay. And anorexia is just you don't eat?

Joe Rogan 50:49 Anorexia is just you don't eat at all.

Brian Simpson 50:50 Oh, wow.

50:52 Overeating.

Joe Rogan 50:52 But I bet there, y- some people have both.

Brian Simpson 50:54 Eating...

50:54 Yeah. Well, I th- I think if you have bulimia, if... You probably die sooner.

50:59 Yeah, that's also... It says men are three times more likely than women to have a subthreshold BED, which would be an eating disorder, meaning it's significant but does not meet all criteria for an official diagnosis.

51:10 All right.

Joe Rogan 51:10 Yeah, overeating.

Brian Simpson 51:11 'Cause wha- 'cause throwing up all the time.

Joe Rogan 51:13 And lastly?

Brian Simpson 51:14 'Cause, you know, severe alcoholics get that.

Joe Rogan 51:15 What's the lastly?

Brian Simpson 51:16 50-80% of anorexia is genetic.

51:19 Whoa.

51:21 And it's the deadliest mental disease.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Whoa.

Brian Simpson 51:26 Anorexia nervosa.

51:27 One in five is a suicide death.

Joe Rogan 51:29 The, the risk of death in anorexia is more than double the death rate of schizophrenia.

Brian Simpson 51:34 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 51:35 Almost-

Brian Simpson 51:35 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 51:35 ... almost triple the death rate of bipolar disease, and more than triple the death rate due to depression. Wow. The crazy thing is maybe 80% of it is genetic.

Brian Simpson 51:48 Yeah.

51:48 That's wild.

51:49 See-

Joe Rogan 51:49 That's the wild thing, man.

Brian Simpson 51:50 See, bro, that's the thing is, like, a lot of times you gotta get healthy enough to get healthy.

Joe Rogan 51:55 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 51:56 You know, like, once, once you, once you got to the point where, like, s- enough shit is broken, you know, it's like trying to dri- it's like trying to, trying to drive a car that needs a lot of work, you know? It's like-

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 52:06 It's y- you have to fix all this other stuff before you could even get to driving, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:10 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 52:10 It's like-

Joe Rogan 52:11 That's a lot of work, too-

Brian Simpson 52:13 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 52:13 ... to get past that.

Brian Simpson 52:14 Yeah. Once you get to the point where more than one thing's wrong-

Joe Rogan 52:18 Also, if it's genetic-

Brian Simpson 52:18 ... you got some hard choices.

Joe Rogan 52:19 Like what's y- what are your genes telling you? Like, if y- I wonder... That's... What's interesting is, like, does that mean that it's prevalent in multiple family members?

Brian Simpson 52:31 Mm.

Joe Rogan 52:32 And is that because of, like, some other shit?

Brian Simpson 52:34 Well, yeah, you probably are predisposed to it, but then something ha- something in your environment-

Joe Rogan 52:39 Maybe.

Brian Simpson 52:39 ... has to trigger it.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Maybe. Or is it possible that what we're calling genetic is just, uh, the same environmental stimuli, the same shitty, abusive family life or whatever that, whatever it is?

Brian Simpson 52:53 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:53 And it just, like, transfers down from generation to generation? 'Cause, like, you think in some pl- some ways, like, like especially when I was younger, I thought like, "How would my stepdad think of this?" You know? I thought-

Brian Simpson 53:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:06 ... like he thought of things. You think about, like, the older people in your life. You think about your family, like, how they think of things. Like, you think for yourself, but you're not sure.

Brian Simpson 53:14 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 53:15 So you think like, "What would my mom do?"

Brian Simpson 53:16 So-

Joe Rogan 53:16 "How would my mom think about this?"

Brian Simpson 53:17 So what are they saying are, like, are, like, these babies just pushing titties away? Like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:22 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 53:23 You know? It's like, I don't know. Genetic, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 53:26 I don't know. So my, my thought is that, like, maybe it's just prevalent in many people because they have a terrible family life. Like depression, like depression is supposedly genetic. And I bet it is, but is it always genetic because someone has some sort of a, a r- a wrong wiring in their brain, they transfer that on through their genes? Or i- is it because all the people in the family live these fucked up, shitty lives and there's no hope in that house and everyone who i- is a part of that is kind of fucked?

Brian Simpson 54:00 They s- they found two specific genes that do it and that brings it up to a 90% chance of having a eating disorder.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Holy shit.

Brian Simpson 54:06 Yeah, so, so, yeah-

54:07 That's high.

54:07 ... I think your genes just mean you more likely to get it.

54:09 It has something to do with your appetite.

Joe Rogan 54:11 Interesting. So these two genes, ESRRA and HDAC4, increase a person's chance of developing an eating disorder by 90-85%. But this is eating too much, right? This is not anorexia.

Brian Simpson 54:22 No, no, this has... They, they study people with anorexia and found those.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Oh, interesting. See, these genes, as well as some of the other identified by researchers, are involved in signaling your brain's appetite. Blockages or interruptions in the appetite pathways may impact how a person interprets hunger.Oh. So their wiring is fucked up and they're not getting hungry?

Brian Simpson 54:46 Ri- uh, uh, and linked it to diabetes.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Wow.

Brian Simpson 54:49 Metabolic conditions.

54:50 Yeah, they studied twins.

Joe Rogan 54:51 Wow.

Brian Simpson 54:52 There's links with twins that had it, so that, like, uh, proved some of the family genetic stuff too.

Joe Rogan 54:57 That's amaze- so it's some screwy wiring that makes you less hungry? But also, like, you should know m- th- b- here's what, part of the thing that I don't understand. You gotta know if you see yourself like that, that something's wrong. Why wouldn't you just drink some milkshakes? Why wouldn't you just do something to put calories into your body? You g- you'd have to know that you're dying, right? So there's obviously a mental illness com- component to it too.

Brian Simpson 55:24 Well, yeah, I think, uh, I think it's-

Joe Rogan 55:26 It's not as simple as, like, a gene being off or that, well, you're not hungry.

Brian Simpson 55:30 No, I th- uh, no, I, I don't think it's that you're not hungry as much as it is, is that, whatever the normal processes is that tell you to go eat-

Joe Rogan 55:38 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 55:38 ... you, like, your shit's screwed up somehow. Like, whatever hundred signals gotta be passed for you to go eat and, like, desire the food-

Joe Rogan 55:44 Right.

Brian Simpson 55:45 ... something in that chain is fucked up.

Joe Rogan 55:46 But not only is something in that chain fucked up, but you don't have the rational ability to say, "I need to consume food."

Brian Simpson 55:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:54 Because a person needs certain amount of thousand calories a day.

Brian Simpson 55:57 (clears throat) It's screwy too 'cause you know my, um, you know Burner, Jeffrey Burner?

Joe Rogan 56:00 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 56:01 He, he was doing, he was doing wrestling since he was kid and, you know, that, he would do all the weight cutting and stuff and it's fucked him up to the point where, like, he forgets to eat. He doesn't get hungry like, like we do.

Joe Rogan 56:13 Really?

Brian Simpson 56:14 Yeah. He has to remind himself to eat. Like, w- you know, he doesn't know he's hungry until he starts acting weird. He's like, "Oh, yeah, I didn't eat."

Joe Rogan 56:20 Oh.

Brian Simpson 56:20 Because he's so, he's been f- s- he was starving himself since he was a kid. He'd been wrestling since he was a little kid.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Wow.

Brian Simpson 56:25 And so I think ... So my point is-

Joe Rogan 56:26 Just become accustomed (clears throat) to that signal.

Brian Simpson 56:28 Yeah, so I think, like, if you have these genes, you're more likely, something in your environment is more likely to tr- it doesn't mean you're gonna have anorexia, but it means you way more likely to d- you know, depending on what you were exposed to.

Joe Rogan 56:39 That makes sense.

Brian Simpson 56:39 You know?

Joe Rogan 56:40 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 56:40 'Cause I w- I w- I wasn't born with depression. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:43 Right.

Brian Simpson 56:43 You know what I'm saying? But it, something happened and it, it, you just, some people are just more likely.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 56:49 Oh, man. Thank God. Thank God I'm not ... Yeah, I gotta be grateful for where I am. Man. Could you imagine having a fucked up relationship with food? Where it's like-

Joe Rogan 57:00 (sighs)

Brian Simpson 57:00 ... you don't want it?

Joe Rogan 57:02 Ooh, (sighs) I would rather want it way too much.

Brian Simpson 57:05 Yeah, I'd rather have to fight that, fight that demon.

Joe Rogan 57:07 I like, uh, there's a lot of people that I know that are, like, pretty obese that are food addicts that are fun people. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 57:15 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:16 They're great to eat with, you know?

Brian Simpson 57:18 'Cause they having a ball.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah, they're having a great fucking time.

Brian Simpson 57:21 Yeah, y-

Joe Rogan 57:21 It's like, yeah, it's bad for you but at least you're enjoying yourself. Anorexia does not look like you're getting the enjoyment part.

Brian Simpson 57:28 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 57:28 The thing about, like, um, i- like, if you go to, like, a real Italian restaurant, they're like, "Come on, eat," uh, uh, uh. They just wanna stuff you and everybody's drinking wine and everyone's laughing and having a good time. Like, that's how Italians like to eat.

Brian Simpson 57:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:41 They go hard.

Brian Simpson 57:42 And no, no anorexic is dangerous, you know? Where it's like, you can't, you can't have no chance of winning. At least a fat motherfucker could fall on you or grab you-

Joe Rogan 57:50 Right.

Brian Simpson 57:50 ... and-

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yeah, there's fat people that can-

Brian Simpson 57:51 ... they got a chan- yeah. Like, if you that skinny, you ain't got no chance.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yeah. You have zero chance. You have no muscles. There's nothing.

Brian Simpson 57:58 No.

Joe Rogan 57:58 You're just a skeleton coming at you like fucking Pirates of the Caribbean. (growls)

Brian Simpson 58:02 Yeah, like one, like a, a leg kick might kill you.

Joe Rogan 58:04 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 58:05 Snap your femur.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Oh, you could kill that girl if you kicked her in the stomach.

Brian Simpson 58:08 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:09 100%.

Brian Simpson 58:12 (laughs) Yo, you could g- (laughs) you could be canceled before my special come out.

Joe Rogan 58:17 You could kill a regular person if they just l- if, like, their back was against a wall and you kicked them in the stomach, you could destroy their organs.

Brian Simpson 58:27 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 58:28 What are they like, a turning side kick to the body?

Brian Simpson 58:30 Especially if you get them, like, right (smacks lips) right in the-

Joe Rogan 58:32 No, you would get them right in the fucking center.

Brian Simpson 58:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Like, right in here.

Brian Simpson 58:35 Oh, like a Spartan kick?

Joe Rogan 58:36 You just sma- no, you d- it's, use a spinning back kick. That's the most powerful kick. It's a, a turning side kick it's called. It's my specialty.

Brian Simpson 58:44 I s- oh, yeah, I saw about this. Like, the ones I've seen you do on videos?

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 58:47 Yeah, but it, h- uh, but most people can't pull that off with th-

Joe Rogan 58:50 No, no, no. I'm just saying that thi- there's human beings that are capable of killing someone with a kick.

Brian Simpson 58:54 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 You don't see it in an MMA fight because first of all these guys are heavily muscled, and generally kicks don't land perfectly flush and your back is not to a wall where you absorb all the impact. But if your back was to a wall and there was nothing, like, a concrete wall, there's nothing stopping the impact and someone, like, really fucking smashed you, you got a real good chance of bleeding internally.

Brian Simpson 59:15 Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm really-

Joe Rogan 59:16 A real good chance of having fractured ribs that go into your lungs and all kinds of shit.

Brian Simpson 59:19 I'm always blown away when I see a UFC fighter take one of those kicks.

Joe Rogan 59:22 (sighs) Bro.

Brian Simpson 59:24 You know?

Joe Rogan 59:24 The, just the f- you k- you know what the most painful shit is? The calf kicks. And I'm saying this anecdotally. I've never been kicked in the calf really. Not hard. Uh, not like by a UFC fighter in a fight. But i- just the, just getting hi- m- massaging your calves fucking hurts like hell.

Brian Simpson 59:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:41 These guys are kicking each other in the calf and it deadens your calf where you can't walk right and so then you gotta kind of play it off, so mostly you're moving on your other leg.

Brian Simpson 59:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:51 And you see it in guys. You see it, like, right away. Like Poatan, Alex Pereira, he's the best I've ever seen at that. I've ever seen. He's the best at it.

Brian Simpson 1:00:00 The calf kick?

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Oh, he's so sneaky. And Izzy, he got Izzy in the first fight and he was getting Izzy in the second fight with it and Izzy's like, "Goddamn, this motherfucker's getting me again." Like, right before he cracked him. He was catching him in that leg and he was deadening that leg and that's what fucked Izzy up in the first fight. He couldn't get away from him. He couldn't ... His leg wouldn't move.

Brian Simpson 1:00:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 He had kicked his left calf so many times, the whole thing was just useless. Who, and Izzy's (microphone thumps) just a great athlete, so he's moving around on it and you can't tell that much.

Brian Simpson 1:00:29 But, but what's the, what's the worst, y- w- is the worst kick you ever received was a calf kick?

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 No. The worst kick I've ever received is the kicks to the body.

Brian Simpson 1:00:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Ugh. You get kicked to the body, man.

Brian Simpson 1:00:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 You're kicked in the head is horrible. You know, you get knocked down, you been getting rocked.

Brian Simpson 1:00:44 And I've been kicked in the head.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Getting kicked in the body, like, getting kicked in the liver especially...Holy shit, man.

Brian Simpson 1:00:50 See, me-

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Your whole body shuts down.

Brian Simpson 1:00:51 Being knocked out doesn't hurt though, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 Oh, it hurts. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:00:54 No, I mean... No, but what I mean is you just, you just-

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 You wake up, yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:00:57 ... wake up. You don't feel the pain. Like, your... I'm sure you feeling-

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 Right.

Brian Simpson 1:01:00 ... going through something.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Right.

Brian Simpson 1:01:01 But, like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Liver shots. Like, you remember when, uh, um-

Brian Simpson 1:01:05 Tank?

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 ... Bernard Hopkins f-... Yeah, Tank's a good one.

Brian Simpson 1:01:08 Yeah, Tank-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Tank's a good one.

Brian Simpson 1:01:09 When he hit Ryan Davis in the middle?

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Ryan Garcia?

Brian Simpson 1:01:10 Yeah, yeah. Or Ryan. I'm sorry, Ryan Davis.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 Ryan Garcia, Ryan Garcia.

Brian Simpson 1:01:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Yeah, Gervonta is a murderous puncher, man. But I was gonna say when Oscar De La Hoya fought Bernard Hopkins. Bernard Hop-

Brian Simpson 1:01:20 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 You know Bernard Hopkins?

Brian Simpson 1:01:21 That's a good fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Bernard Hopkins was too big. Oscar was past his prime. Bernard was still in the fucking... I mean, even though he's older, Ber- Bernard was probably in his 40s when that fight happened.

Brian Simpson 1:01:32 That's when he was the sharpest though.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 It's crazy. Bernard v-... He... You know, I asked Terence Crawford about that, and he said one of the things is probably that Bernard was in prison, and during that prison time he didn't abuse his body. Like, he didn't get beat up. He didn't have all them-

Brian Simpson 1:01:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 But he was training and learning. And then he also developed this insane discipline when he's in prison. He's like, "I am never coming back here. I'm never coming back here." And they said to him, "We'll see you," like, after he, after he got his appeal.

Brian Simpson 1:01:57 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 He ain't ever seen a mate.

Brian Simpson 1:01:58 Well, that's the thing, man. You could...

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 So this is it. This is... I don't, I don't know how old Bernard... There it is. There's the body shot. Let me see that again. Oh, dig to the body.

Brian Simpson 1:02:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Bernard was so good. I just watched the... I re-watched Bernard versus Kelly Pavlik the other day.

Brian Simpson 1:02:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 And I think Bernard was in his 40s in that fight, too.

Brian Simpson 1:02:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 And they... Everybody counted Bernard out. That was after Kelly Pavlik knocked out Jermain Taylor.

Brian Simpson 1:02:22 You can accomplish so much out of spite.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 (smacks lips) Spite?

Brian Simpson 1:02:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Just, yeah, the will.

Brian Simpson 1:02:27 Some, so many of the things I've overcome have been from spite.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:02:30 Yeah. When my dad dropped me... When he dropped me off to go to boot camp, he was like, "I'll see you in a couple weeks."

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Whoa.

Brian Simpson 1:02:35 And, and, and that is what made me not quit.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Interesting.

Brian Simpson 1:02:39 I was like, "Never. Never... I will not let... give him the satisfaction."

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:02:42 Because he was right. I would... I had trouble... I had trouble with people telling me what to do and stuff like that, but I was like, "Oh, no. Ain't no way I'm going back home."

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 No way.

Brian Simpson 1:02:50 Fuck no. I'll endure whatever just to, just to win. Just to show you.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Bernard was world-class when he was 50.

Brian Simpson 1:02:58 Yeah, yeah. He probably still... He probably still box up, box up, box up the average person.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:03:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Oh, the average person's dead, for sure. But, I mean, that guy, like, what... And also clean living his entire life. Organic food, no fucking around.

Brian Simpson 1:03:13 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 No drugs, no alcohol, no nothing. Yeah. He was always in shape. Always in shape. Never got fat. Never got big in between fights at all. Always running, always hitting the bag. Never got out of shape. Not for a minute. Not for a second. You could've called Bernard Hopkins on a Tuesday and said, "You gotta fight on Saturday." He'd be like, "How much?"

Brian Simpson 1:03:32 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 You know? I mean, he was always ready.

Brian Simpson 1:03:35 Yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 And he was just so defensively responsible. Like, his defense was impeccable.

Brian Simpson 1:03:40 Yeah, he was sharp. I mean, Ph- Philly, Philly produced a lot of-

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Oh, my God. Philly produced a lot of killers.

Brian Simpson 1:03:45 Yeah, man. And I don't know what... I don't know what that... why that is specifically.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 Tough neighborhoods.

Brian Simpson 1:03:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Tough neighborhoods produce killers. You know?

Brian Simpson 1:03:52 Yeah, it's true. It's true.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Come on, Brownsville?

Brian Simpson 1:03:53 And every... Every now and then though, you get a... you get, like, a... you'll get, like, a rich kid, like a Prince or some guy who-

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Oh, Prince Naseem my man? (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:04:00 I don't know if he was... Was he really a Prince?

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 He's really... (laughs) No, he wasn't really a Prince.

Brian Simpson 1:04:02 I don't think he was really a Prince. But any... I mean, you get, like, a spoiled kid that got some bands.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah. Every now and then. Yeah, I mean, there's people that violate the rules too.

Brian Simpson 1:04:11 Yeah, you'll get the Ivy League champ, but-

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 (sighs) It's so rare.

Brian Simpson 1:04:14 Nobody wants that though. They want somebody that been through some shit.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 They want Tyson.

Brian Simpson 1:04:17 Yeah. They want Mike Tyson.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:04:18 They want somebody that came from the, the depths.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Yeah. Someone with no family. Someone who was raised by, you know, a, a, a guardian... a guardian who happened to be a hypnotist-

Brian Simpson 1:04:27 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 ... and also a boxing trainer. Yeah, that's Prince Naseem.

Brian Simpson 1:04:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 He's the... (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:04:32 This mother-

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 He came out of the flying carpet. How amazing was that? Bro, people forgot about Naseem.

Brian Simpson 1:04:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 And his style was amazing, man. Wa- watch some of the fighting. Go- This is fun, but find some of his fighting 'cause his style was so crazy. He had his hands down by his knees, and he would, like, bend at the waist and just wing punches at you.

Brian Simpson 1:04:55 He reminded me of, um... Who was the dude we were talking about the other day that had that weird style? The, the Drunken Master?

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Oh, yes. Oh, my God. What was his name? Look at, look at Naseem. (laughs) Look at him dancing around. I mean, look at that. How do you handle that? And the guy can punch. And he had big legs.

Brian Simpson 1:05:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 And his power came from his legs. He would, like, punch with his whole body. And people forgot, man. He was really good, and he was so popular. I mean, he was all over television back then, man.

Brian Simpson 1:05:28 That's why it's unusual. His introduces were too long though. He had, like, a 20-minute...

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Oh, no, no, no. It was great. (laughs) It's great 'cause now we can go back and watch it. But, dude, he was fucking people up. So he had this crazy style, but he also had murderous power.

Narrator 1:05:43 I think his son's fighting now.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Emmanuel Augustus?

Brian Simpson 1:05:46 Yeah, Emmanuel Augustus. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Yes.

Brian Simpson 1:05:48 The Drunken Mass. Yeah, well, he, he-

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Yeah. That's him now. Now he's just... Now he's a heavyweight. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:05:55 Oh, Prince Naseem's a heavyweight?

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Yeah, but no.

Brian Simpson 1:05:56 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 He's not fighting anymore. He, he-

Narrator 1:05:58 Talking right now.

Brian Simpson 1:05:58 He's eating a lot of food. That's him on the right. Oh, what?

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Uh... Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:06:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Yeah, he's one of them 85%. He's got that gene.

Brian Simpson 1:06:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 (laughs)

Narrator 1:06:08 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:06:08 For real.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 What is, uh... Emmanuel Augustus. Go, go to Emmanuel Augustus highlights. Emmanuel hut... was different though, 'cause Emmanuel... instead of... I mean, it was a lot of, like, hands down, moving around, but it was, like, smoother.

Brian Simpson 1:06:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Emmanuel was like he was dancing with you, like, literally dancing.

Brian Simpson 1:06:27 And it's like he would punch... He would throw a punch when you least expect it. There was no rhythm to it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Floyd said that he was the hardest fighter he ever fought. He said the hardest fight he ever had was this guy because, like, look how he fights. (laughs) He's just moving around. It's like that dude was dancing before the fight started, he was dancing during the fight, and he was really slick defensively. So, like, this style was, like, very disconcerting because he could move so good and he was kind of clowning you, so that fucks with your head.

Brian Simpson 1:07:00 Yeah. I mean, if you, if you see somebody ... If you see some- ... If ... Oh, he was h- throw a couple punches at me and I'm like, "I, I'm good, man." Full f- I forfeit.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 Well, that's where leg kicks come into play, son.

Brian Simpson 1:07:09 Oh, well.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Whump! Give him a couple of those. Whump! Put your hands up, move forward. Whump! A few of those and all that shit's gone.

Brian Simpson 1:07:17 That's why it's wild to hear ... I forget that guy, that bodybuilder. That was like, "I could-"

Joe Rogan 1:07:21 Bradley Martin. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:07:23 Mm-hmm.

1:07:23 "Like, I could beat, I could beat ..." He was a professional-

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Mighty Mouse?

Brian Simpson 1:07:24 ... fighter in a fight. It's like, yeah. Come on, man. Like, really?

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Well, he's also very smart, and he's doing this for clicks.

Brian Simpson 1:07:31 Oh, he knows. Yeah, he knows his position.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Yeah, Bradley's a smart dude.

Brian Simpson 1:07:32 But I did see him actually spar with a b- with a j- j- ju- black belt JuJitsu guy that was his weight, you know? I mean, obviously he got fucked up.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Who did that? Who sparred with him?

Brian Simpson 1:07:43 I don't remember. I don't remember the, whose n- what, whose name it was, but I just watched it a couple days ago.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 See if you can find that.

Brian Simpson 1:07:48 Somebody, somebody did spar with him.

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 Who is it?

Brian Simpson 1:07:50 I've seen it a few times. Uh, it doesn't say on the info.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:07:53 But I think I got it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Look, Bradley is a super athlete.

Brian Simpson 1:07:56 Oh. Oh, yeah. Here it is right here. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 He ... I mean, he's a gigantic athlete.

Brian Simpson 1:07:59 Right. I don't know who that is he's sparring with.

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 Where is Bradley?

Brian Simpson 1:08:03 He's in the blue.

1:08:03 He's in ... Yeah. He's in the ...

Joe Rogan 1:08:05 That's him?

Brian Simpson 1:08:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 Is this a long time ago?

Brian Simpson 1:08:07 No, no. This is recent.

1:08:08 Uh, this was two years ago. He was doing it again recently-

1:08:11 Oh, okay.

1:08:11 ... I think, but ...

1:08:15 No. This ain't the video I watched.

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 So he's ... It looks in this video-

Brian Simpson 1:08:18 No, no. No.

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 ... like he's just learning stuff.

Brian Simpson 1:08:19 No, the video I watched was recent and he was getting fucked up. He got real humble. But again, in a s- they weren't ... In a street fight when like, kicks and punches and everything's on the table.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Right. So at least ... But when it comes to JuJitsu, at least Bradley's done this, right? So Bradley has done some rolling and ... Yeah, he's getting manhandled by a black belt, but we all would.

Brian Simpson 1:08:39 Right. Right. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 But, but at least he's got some grappling experience. So I'm assuming if he's done that, he's probably done multiple classes. So he probably has some understanding of positions, probably some understanding of-

Brian Simpson 1:08:50 But, but he's probably never been in a real ... Like, you, you know what it is to me is like,