Joe Rogan Experience #2040 - Eddie Bravo

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I went to my first NFL game. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 0:15 What?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 0:16 Are we on? Are we on?

Joe Rogan 0:17 Yeah, we're up, we're up.

Eddie Bravo 0:18 Yeah. What'd you do?

Joe Rogan 0:19 The Jets versus the Cowboys.

Eddie Bravo 0:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 0:21 Wait-

Joe Rogan 0:22 In Dallas.

Eddie Bravo 0:23 Yeah, Cowboys, uh, that would just happen, right?

Joe Rogan 0:26 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 0:26 Two weeks ago or last week?

Joe Rogan 0:27 Last week.

Eddie Bravo 0:28 The Jets?

Joe Rogan 0:29 Last Sunday.

Eddie Bravo 0:30 Yeah, a week ago.

Joe Rogan 0:31 A week ago, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 0:32 A week ago.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Was fucking awesome. How many people does that place seat?

Eddie Bravo 0:35 Hund-... That one's probably close to 100.

Joe Rogan 0:37 It's amazing.

Eddie Bravo 0:38 80 plus, for sure.

0:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:39 80 plus. That plus, place is fucking amazing.

Eddie Bravo 0:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:42 I've never seen an NFL game live.

Eddie Bravo 0:43 I'm so into football, man. I know-

Joe Rogan 0:45 I get it now.

Eddie Bravo 0:46 I'm so into it.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Bro, I get it.

Eddie Bravo 0:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 I'm friends with Aaron Rodgers and I don't even watch football.

Eddie Bravo 0:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:51 And Aaron was supposed to play, but then Aaron blew out his Achilles tendon real bad.

Eddie Bravo 0:55 Yeah, first, uh, first drive of the first game.

Joe Rogan 0:59 Crazy.

Eddie Bravo 0:59 All this hype, like the craziest shit-

Joe Rogan 1:00 Right.

Eddie Bravo 1:00 ... all this hype about Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets. And the crazy thing is, they had drafted, like a year or two before that, Zach Wilson, who was like a number one draft pick. He was supposed to be the, you know, the new quarterback that was gonna take the Jets to the Super Bowl, but he's had a m- miserable last couple of years. And, uh, so instead of giving up on him, the Jets said, "Okay, let's bring in Aaron Rodgers," because Green Bay was moving on from Aaron Rodgers. They got this guy, Love. Eventually, like all the legends, eventually their last couple years they play on another team, like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. The last couple years they, they go to different team. And, uh, sometimes-

Joe Rogan 1:42 They gotta get paid.

Eddie Bravo 1:43 Yeah, yeah. That's, that's a lot of money.

Joe Rogan 1:46 I get it.

Eddie Bravo 1:46 Yeah. And, but, um, and then the first drive, after all that hype with Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers and New York City, it was, it was huge.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:54 And then boom, he's gone for the season.

Joe Rogan 1:56 Yeah, he thinks he'll be back in six months.

Eddie Bravo 1:59 He says-

Joe Rogan 1:59 He said it's usually 6 to 12 months, but he said that's for vaccinated people.

Eddie Bravo 2:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:05 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 2:05 Um, but then-

Joe Rogan 2:07 He's fucking around.

Eddie Bravo 2:07 ... my Browns, you know, I'm, I'm following the Browns every day in the off season. Un- undrafted free agents, the fucking draft, everything.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Really?

Eddie Bravo 2:17 This practice squad.

Joe Rogan 2:18 You're all in, huh?

Eddie Bravo 2:19 I'm all in. I love it.

Joe Rogan 2:20 Wow.

Eddie Bravo 2:20 I love it. It's such an amazing sport. Like every, every player has their own mission, you know, and the quarterback needs to know as-

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 2:27 ... many of those missions as possible. He needs to know what's going on. But everyone else, they just need one miss- they got one mission. Every, every player, everybody's doing something different.

Joe Rogan 2:36 It's incredible to watch.

Eddie Bravo 2:37 And then there's all these coaches.

Joe Rogan 2:38 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 2:39 Um, I'm actually friends with, um, do you remember, do you remember, there was a Sports Illustrated article on a football coach that was o- o- offensive line coach that was teaching jujitsu to, uh, NFL players to help them in the offensive line? That's Scot Peters from the Cleveland Browns.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Really?

Eddie Bravo 2:58 Yeah, there was an article on it, and I remember reading it a couple years ago.

Joe Rogan 3:01 What, what would help with jujitsu? Just being able to clinch? Understanding how to throw bodies around? I think, like-

Eddie Bravo 3:07 I think so.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Wrestling.

Eddie Bravo 3:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Like, wrestling seems like-

Eddie Bravo 3:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:10 ... it would help a lot.

Eddie Bravo 3:11 Touch, feel, you know, balance. But I'm not sure. I haven't... I need to talk to him about that because I just met him, like via text through a friend. I had a guy on a podcast, he knows him. And apparently, he, he played football too. His name is Scot Peters, and he, you know, when he, when he retired he started doing MMA and started doing jujitsu and fell in love with it. Then he got a job as a, he's an assistant offensive line coach for the Browns, and, uh, h- he's all about teaching them jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Wow.

Eddie Bravo 3:39 It's pretty badass. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:40 Well, I'd imagine those guys are all badasses, they want to learn jujitsu.

Eddie Bravo 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Who doesn't want to learn jujitsu?

Eddie Bravo 3:45 Yeah, yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 3:45 Who's, who's going, "Nah, I don't want to learn that shit"?

Eddie Bravo 3:48 A lot of people, actually. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:49 They just don't want to get strangled.

Eddie Bravo 3:50 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:51 They don't want to start out as beginners.

Eddie Bravo 3:52 The same thing happened to the Browns, though. Second week, the, on paper the Browns look like a playoff contender for sure, on paper. But everyone, you know, i- i- it's all about how you execute and how it all gels and... So, uh, but the one constant that we have, we have the best running back in the game, Nick Chubb. Best running, so he, he rarely ever gets hurt. You know, we needed, we needed some wide receivers. We needed some defensive linemen. We got all new defensive linemen, except for Myles Garrett, uh, a- and, um, new, new defensive coordinator, but we always knew Nick Chubb, you know, we got the best running back in the, in the game, probably ever. His average is 5.4 a carry. That's huge. That's like top three in NFL history. It's incredible. He's so good. Second week, Monday Night Football, his leg fucking breaks. So, it was so gruesome. They-

Joe Rogan 4:37 Is that the one when it broke at the knee?

Eddie Bravo 4:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Oh, I saw that.

Eddie Bravo 4:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Oh, God.

Eddie Bravo 4:41 They didn't show the replays. They didn't show the replays.

Joe Rogan 4:44 Oh, I saw it online. They showed it online. Oh my god.

Eddie Bravo 4:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:47 It was horrible.

Eddie Bravo 4:48 Yeah. That was devastating. I got sad. Like, it was like for two or three days I was like, "Oh my God, I spent all this fucking time and now we just lost our best player? Fuck!" But, they came back the next week, which was yesterday, and dominated the Titans. So they, um, they, uh...

Joe Rogan 5:06 They adjusted.

Eddie Bravo 5:07 Yeah. And they were all, they're all doing it for Nick Chubb. They're all like, "What a, what a veteran."

Joe Rogan 5:10 I guarantee you that, you know, it used to be that if you got like an ACL injury, you were never coming back to any sport. And now MMA fighters get ACL injuries all the time and they get-

Eddie Bravo 5:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:21 ... rehab and then they come back and they're good to go. I guarantee you, in the future, they're going to be able to regenerate tissue in some wild way where those injuries are just gonna be commonplace. No big deal. They just fix you.

Eddie Bravo 5:32 I hope so. Apparently he just... Apparently, it looks like everything would have ripped, right? The PCL, the ACL, every-

Joe Rogan 5:39 Oh, everything.

Eddie Bravo 5:39 But apparently they're saying it was just the MCL.

Joe Rogan 5:42 What?

Eddie Bravo 5:42 And that it's not that bad.

Joe Rogan 5:43 Show that again.

Eddie Bravo 5:44 Yeah.

5:44 Can we see that?

Joe Rogan 5:45 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 5:45 I, I wouldn't see it. I, they didn't show the replay-

Joe Rogan 5:48 Did they? There's a still frame there.

Eddie Bravo 5:48 And I, I w- I wouldn't even see it.

Joe Rogan 5:49 There's a still frame.

Eddie Bravo 5:50 Oh. Oh. Oh.

5:51 It's like his foot's pointed forward and his body's sideways.

5:54 Oh.

5:55 And the knee is bent at a wrong angle.

5:58 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 5:59 That's the same knee he injured in college.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Oh. And look at him, chilling.

Eddie Bravo 6:02 (laughs) No, that's him-

Joe Rogan 6:04 He was screaming.

Eddie Bravo 6:05 I'm sure, but right there he looks pretty calm. I'd be fucking crying like a baby.

Joe Rogan 6:08 No, yeah, he's ... I think he's crying.

Eddie Bravo 6:10 Oh, look at him right there, he's screaming. Screaming. But the amount of pain he must have been in there. Agony.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Look at that shit. Oh. But he also knew, he knew it was about to happen too. Like, he just did this rehab a couple years ago.

Eddie Bravo 6:21 Oh, no. So, same knee?

Joe Rogan 6:23 See, see, you see this one right here?

Eddie Bravo 6:25 Oh, Jesus. That's him?

Joe Rogan 6:26 That's him. In college.

Eddie Bravo 6:27 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Just got out of college for it.

Eddie Bravo 6:29 So, it was probably already weak.

Joe Rogan 6:31 Well, again, he has the fattest ... He's strong as fuck.

Eddie Bravo 6:34 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 6:35 He can deadlift a million pounds and-

Eddie Bravo 6:36 Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's ... In the NFL, he's known for his work ethic in the weight room.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Oh my God. He's like ... What does he squat? Something ridiculous, Jamie. It's like, yeah, like he always puts up videos where he's squatting like ridiculous shit. 675 here. 670-fucking-5.

Eddie Bravo 6:51 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 6:51 How much can you ... What's your max? Look at this, look at this.

Eddie Bravo 6:53 I got a max? Oh my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:54 It doesn't look very good.

Eddie Bravo 6:55 That's him. That's him.

Joe Rogan 6:56 Bro, I watched this guy, um, who was doing that, and both his legs exploded. You know those Instagram clips? There's so many Instagram ... Tom Segura and I (laughs) , every day when I wake up in the morning to take a leak and I check my phone, Tom Segura's sending me some fucking horrible video. We- we share horrible videos to each other. It's like a ... I'll show you the thread. We got a ongoing thread of me and him just the worst shit we can find online, we send to each other, and every day I get nervous every time I open up my phone. (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 7:26 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 7:26 It's all fucking ... It's all like ... Yeah, I sent him this one today. This guy's brakes failed. I sent you this, Jamie. This one's horrible. There's so many videos like that. W- have you ever seen more people die than on Instagram lately?

Eddie Bravo 7:44 What do you mean? Oh, death?

Joe Rogan 7:46 Death.

Eddie Bravo 7:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 7:47 I've seen more people get shot, more people get run over by cars, more people get gored by bulls, more people get bit by alligators.

Eddie Bravo 7:56 Yeah, I saw ...

Joe Rogan 7:57 Look at this one. Brakes failed. Boom. Look at this. How insane is that, dude?

Eddie Bravo 8:04 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Fuck.

Eddie Bravo 8:07 That could happen at any time, Joe.

Joe Rogan 8:09 At any time. I think about that all the time when I'm on the highway. You know, when I come home from the mothership, at nighttime in Texas, that's when all the truck drivers are on the road. And so when I come home, sometimes like we're the only car on the road. It's like all trucks. It's all semis. And one time there was a, um, some sort of a traffic thing, so the opposite side of the road, all the traffic was shut down, and it was hundreds of semis. Hundreds. I'm like, "I guess they just drive at night." Like when there's go- gonna be no traffic, that's when they can make the most, most time.

Eddie Bravo 8:47 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 8:48 It makes sense. But it's like, one of those fucking dudes is not paying attention or their fucking Adderall runs out or whatever, they fall asleep at the wheel, and you're done, man.

Eddie Bravo 8:58 You know what video I just saw was, uh, a couple, male and female, just like off to the side of the road on the freeway, and they're like, I don't know, they're broke down, and this tire got loose and was coming and rolling down and fucking went right into the chick. It was horrible, man. Oh, it was horrible, man.

Joe Rogan 9:18 Tires-

Eddie Bravo 9:18 Have you seen that, Jamie? That one's, that one's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 9:20 Tires take people out, man. They take people out.

Eddie Bravo 9:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:24 'Cause they pop off sometimes. People don't check their fucking lug nuts.

Eddie Bravo 9:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:28 Tire ... Do you see that one lady who was driving on the highway? She was on pills and the cops pulled her over and she had no wheel. Her, her right passenger side front wheel was gone, and she's driving on the brake.

Eddie Bravo 9:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:42 So she's got her rotors and it's just sparking. She's just like this (whistles) . She doesn't even know anything's wrong. And the cops pull her over and they're like, "What the fuck are you doing?" She's like, "What? What's going on?" And they're like, "Are you on pills?" She's like, "No, I'm not on pills." Like, she's clearly on pills. And you gotta think like how many people out ... I mean, we know how many people are on Oxys, right?

Eddie Bravo 10:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 How many people are just driving around on pills?

Eddie Bravo 10:05 How are those still legal?

Joe Rogan 10:06 Incredible. Incredible.

Eddie Bravo 10:09 They-

Joe Rogan 10:09 But meanwhile, marijuana isn't.

Eddie Bravo 10:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Meanwhile, mushrooms aren't.

Eddie Bravo 10:13 Yeah, they're trying to get the ... I keep seeing that they're still trying to get weed on, off Schedule I.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 10:19 I mean, it seems like it's close, right?

Joe Rogan 10:22 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 10:22 You would think that they, uh, would just, uh, like just make that happen already, 'cause state after state after state is legalizing it, right?

Joe Rogan 10:30 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 10:30 What's the state of weed in Texas?

Joe Rogan 10:32 Texas, it's, it's decriminalized in Austin. It is illegal in Texas. Bro, they arrested Willie Nelson.

Eddie Bravo 10:40 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 10:40 That should be against the law.

Eddie Bravo 10:42 And Tommy Chong.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Yeah, but Willie Nelson ... Tommy Chong was a different one. Tommy Chong was a bad one because what they ... And I talked to Tommy a-after it happened and he did my podcast. This was a long time ago. They got him in Florida, and all he was doing was selling bongs. He was selling bongs. But if you sell bongs in Florida, it was drug paraphernalia, and so they threatened his family 'cause it was a family business. So Tommy's like, "I'll go to jail." So Tommy went to jail for them, and then afterwards, I think they drug tested him for a long time. I think part of the, you know, the conditions of his parole was that they had to randomly drug test him, so he couldn't smoke any weed for a long fucking time. Now he's selling weed.

Eddie Bravo 11:28 And, and how much time did he do? Did he do time?

Joe Rogan 11:31 (sighs)

Eddie Bravo 11:31 He went to jail, right?

Joe Rogan 11:32 He did time. He did time. That's right. He w- he did time. I think Tommy Chong ... I wanna say he did two years.

Eddie Bravo 11:37 Damn.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Let's find out. Find out how, how much time did Tommy Chong get.

Eddie Bravo 11:39 For weed?

Joe Rogan 11:40 Not even for weed.

Eddie Bravo 11:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:42 Eddie, Eddie, for fucking bongs.

Eddie Bravo 11:44 Yeah. That was just half-baked. For weed?

Joe Rogan 11:47 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 11:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:49 Yeah, it's, uh, it's pretty wild that in 2023 it's still illegal. It's pretty wild.

Eddie Bravo 11:56 It's pretty damn legal in California, I mean.

Joe Rogan 11:59 It should be.

Eddie Bravo 11:59 It seems like you could just smoke weed anywhere. You know?

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yeah. Vegas too.

Eddie Bravo 12:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:03 That's what's wild. Vegas, bro, there's people in jail for life in Vegas. That'll-

Eddie Bravo 12:08 Still.

Joe Rogan 12:09 In the 1970s, if they caught you smoking weed, they put you in jail forever.... what does it say here? Nine months, nine months in federal prison, a fine of $20,000, forfeiture of $103,514, and the loss of all merchandise seized during the raid on his business.

Eddie Bravo 12:26 Fuck. Scary.

Joe Rogan 12:28 (exhales) Nine months for bongs. Wow.

Eddie Bravo 12:31 And what year was that?

Joe Rogan 12:33 2004.

Narrator 12:34 Three and four, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 12:35 Damn.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Yeah.

Narrator 12:36 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's not right. It doesn't make any sense and they, they gotta know it now. It's like, it's a slow trickle before things become legal. But I, I thought the Biden administration was... That was a part of their thing that they ran on, that they were gonna decriminalize marijuana.

Eddie Bravo 13:01 Yeah. That's, that's one, uh, Democratic issue that I'm with.

Joe Rogan 13:06 100%.

Eddie Bravo 13:06 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 13:07 100%.

Eddie Bravo 13:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:07 I'm, I'm with it. I'm with it. And, you know, in other states, like, I believe in Oregon, they've decriminalized mushrooms. What have they done with Oregon... Oregon with mushrooms?

Eddie Bravo 13:17 Yeah, I think they... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:18 I think Oregon might have decriminalized everything. I think Oregon is a wild state. I think they might have decriminalized literally everything. I think they decriminalized steroids. I think they decriminalized mushrooms. I think they decriminalized fucking everything. Do you know in Vancouver, you can buy... They have a place called The Drugs Store, and you can go in there and buy tested drugs. So, you can go in there and buy tested cocaine. It's a brick and mortar store. And this guy is apparently testing the boundaries of the law. I mean, what a fuck... I would think that's a trap. If I was, like, walking into that drug store, I was like, "You got cocaine? You have cocaine, pure cocaine for sale?"

Eddie Bravo 14:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Are you wearing a wire, bitch? Like, "What the fuck is going on? How are you... What are you doing? You're selling... I'm gonna buy cocaine from you in a store? Can I use my credit card? I can?"

Eddie Bravo 14:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:13 (laughs) Like, what is... See if you can find that, The Drugs Store.

Narrator 14:18 I don't think... I think it might have been shut down 'cause the owner died from a suspected fentanyl overdose.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Ah! Whoops. He wasn't taking his own product.

Narrator 14:26 Yeah. It says the store shut down 24 hours later.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Oh, wow.

Narrator 14:30 Yeah, they might have killed him, but I don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:32 I bet, like, some rival drug dealers. Like, "Hey, man, fuck you." If he died from fentanyl, I don't think the government would have poisoned him with fentanyl.

Eddie Bravo 14:41 Yeah. The fentanyl thing is crazy.

Joe Rogan 14:43 Crazy.

Eddie Bravo 14:44 How could anybody want to do coke knowing that shit's out there?

Joe Rogan 14:50 I think they have tests, but if you're one of those dudes who's partying, you're doing coke, you're not going, "Hey, you guys have a test?"

Narrator 14:58 This also wasn't, like, a real store. It was a pop-up shop.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Oh.

Narrator 15:02 Like, mobile, like a... Almost a bus or something. But-

Joe Rogan 15:05 I thought it was at a brick and mortar store.

Narrator 15:07 It says after parking his 24-foot camper on Main Street between Hastings and Cordova-

Eddie Bravo 15:12 (laughs)

Narrator 15:12 ... he made his first sales. Yeah. I think he was doing it. I mean, it does show people walking in and out of a building, but it might have just been vacant and they just kind of walked in. I don't know.

Eddie Bravo 15:18 You know what's crazy? I was just in Japan, and you don't ever have to worry about any kind of crime in Japan.

Joe Rogan 15:25 Isn't it wild? Japan's amazing.

Eddie Bravo 15:27 There's no crime. But, you know, it- it is. That is definitely a... And it's so clean. They clean everything. Uh, everybody's super nice, you know, everybody. But you can't have a gun. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:39 Right.

Eddie Bravo 15:39 Yeah. They got everybody-

Joe Rogan 15:41 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 15:41 ... under control, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:42 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 15:43 But I was there for Quintet, and Quintet is a team jujitsu tournament. It was... It's amazing. Uh, Sakuraba, the Pride legend, he's... That's his show. But this time-

Joe Rogan 15:57 Does he still grapple?

Eddie Bravo 15:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:59 How's his knees?

Eddie Bravo 15:59 He's on the team. He's got a team.

Joe Rogan 16:00 How's his knees?

Eddie Bravo 16:01 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Does he wrap them up like mummies still?

Eddie Bravo 16:03 He doesn't really speak English, so we- we... We have a hard time-

Joe Rogan 16:06 I love that guy.

Eddie Bravo 16:08 Uh... He's awesome.

Joe Rogan 16:09 I fucking love him.

Eddie Bravo 16:10 We just do, like, jokey stuff whenever I see him or... 'Cause he's like a clown.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Yeah. He's so funny.

Eddie Bravo 16:15 And we do clown stuff. Yeah. But it... But... So Quintet decided to co-promote with K-1.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Ooh.

Eddie Bravo 16:22 You didn't know this?

Joe Rogan 16:23 No.

Eddie Bravo 16:23 Dude, dude, you're a kickboxing fanatic and you didn't know K-1 brought back the Heavyweight Absolute Tournament?

Joe Rogan 16:30 I heard they were doing that, but I didn't know they did it.

Eddie Bravo 16:33 They brought it back.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 16:35 And guess who they wanted to commentate?

Joe Rogan 16:37 You?

Eddie Bravo 16:37 (laughs) I'm like, "Why would I commentate a kickbo-" Like-

Joe Rogan 16:41 That's like me commentating on football.

Eddie Bravo 16:42 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 16:44 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 16:44 Exactly. Ex-... Same thing. And they asked me because they co-promoted and, and it was like in this arena where they had two stages, the K-1 stage and the Quintet stage, and they kind of merged together. And K-1 was during the day. It started, like, at noon. And then after K-1 was done, then it all shifted over here on the side and to the Quintet side. It's... That started, like, at, like, 6:00 or something. But they wanted me... They asked me if, if I wanted to commentate the Heavyweight Tournament. I'm like, "I know nothing about..." The only thing I know about kickboxing is the old school K-1, like Peter Aerts. I met him. He was there.

Joe Rogan 17:18 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 17:19 He... Peter Aerts-

Joe Rogan 17:19 Jerome LeBanner.

Eddie Bravo 17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Ernesto Hoost.

Eddie Bravo 17:21 Yeah, Ray Sefooh and all those guys.

Joe Rogan 17:23 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 17:23 And Semmy Schilt.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 17:25 The old... The old school K-1, the classic ones where dudes were getting shut off left and right.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Left and right.

Eddie Bravo 17:31 And this one was... 'Cause apparently they hadn't done, uh, the Absolute Heavyweight Tournament, the, the 8-man one in a while. They've been sticking to K-1 Max, like lightweights and middleweights, and there's some bad motherfuckers. So I- I- I- I don't pay attention to kickboxer... Kickboxing also. I wouldn't even know what K-1 Max was. I learned all the shit while I was there. And so, um, they had an 8-man Absolute Tournament, all new guys, and dude, there was this fucking 6-foot-8 Chinese dude straight coming out with the CCP flag and everything, looking like Chinese Ivan Drago.

Joe Rogan 18:08 What does he look like? I mean, what- what's his name?

Eddie Bravo 18:10 He fucked everybody up.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Really?

Eddie Bravo 18:12 He fucked everybody up.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Pull up a video.

Eddie Bravo 18:13 Dude, his name is like, um-... Sai Luu, s- s- something like that.

Joe Rogan 18:19 We'll find out.

Eddie Bravo 18:21 Scary.

Narrator 18:22 Not, not this guy, right?

Eddie Bravo 18:23 That's him.

Narrator 18:23 Oh, it is?

Eddie Bravo 18:24 That's him right there.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Damn, that guy's huge.

Eddie Bravo 18:26 He's like 6'7", 6'8".

Joe Rogan 18:27 Wow.

Eddie Bravo 18:28 He fucked everybody up, dude.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Oh, my God. Look at the size of that guy.

Eddie Bravo 18:32 With leg kicks. He got incredible footwork.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Look at the size of his fucking legs. Look at his quads.

Eddie Bravo 18:38 Dude, he claims, he claims wushu.

Joe Rogan 18:41 Oh, of course.

Eddie Bravo 18:42 But, he's, it's kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 18:44 Of course.

Eddie Bravo 18:44 He's doing, he's doing kickboxing, but-

Joe Rogan 18:45 But that's a good move if you're from China, claim wushu.

Eddie Bravo 18:48 Yeah. And, uh, he didn't show up to the press conference. It was a big mystery.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Oh, interesting.

Eddie Bravo 18:55 And there was a guy from Italy, this guy, they call him the Grizzly Bear. Uh, he ended up, uh, fighting him in the finals. That guy, the Grizzly Bear had, like, i- insane power. Dude, he was fucking people up.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Is this the Grizzly Bear?

Eddie Bravo 19:06 Dude, look, that's the Grizzly Bear. The Grizzly Bear's got the beard.

Joe Rogan 19:09 See if you can find a video of the actual fight, Jamie.

Narrator 19:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 19:13 I love it. I, you know, I put a post up-

Eddie Bravo 19:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:15 ... on Instagram the other day after the Rodtang fight on, uh, One FC, 'cause, uh, Matt Brown posted it like, "How is Muay Thai not the biggest sport in the world?" And, you watch this insane fight they had on One FC, and I was like, "I think that has the most untapped potential of all the combat sports." 'Cause obviously boxing is huge, MMA is huge. How the fuck is Muay Thai not huge?

Eddie Bravo 19:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:41 It's so exciting.

Eddie Bravo 19:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:43 And, this one fight-

Eddie Bravo 19:44 With MMA gloves too.

Joe Rogan 19:45 ... with four-ounce gloves. Um, Jamie, see if you could find that fight first.

Narrator 19:51 Hold on, where was it?

Joe Rogan 19:53 I'm sorry.

Narrator 19:54 It's all right.

Joe Rogan 19:54 It's on my Instagram. It's, like, uh, two, two, three posts ago. And, it, it's this war that these guys had in Thailand. So, they did, uh, a One FC in Thailand, and they had... Here, I'll, I'll fucking... You got it here? I mean, so it's, um, Rodtang versus, uh, Superlek. And, it's a fucking war, dude. I mean, these guys are going... Give me some volume so you hear this.

Eddie Bravo 20:25 It just happened?

Joe Rogan 20:27 Yeah. Yeah, it... I mean, these are two of the very best Muay Thai fighters in the world, and they're fighting with these little tiny MMA gloves on, which is a wild move that One FC is doing. I mean, everybody who watches MMA... Look at that! Drops Rodtang, that's crazy. Incredible fight, dude.

Eddie Bravo 20:53 Dude-

Joe Rogan 20:53 Just fucking incredible fight. These guys are cutting each up with, cutting each other up with elbows, knees to the body. I mean, they're two elite of the elite in Muay Thai, and they're going to war with the little gloves on, man. I mean, it's a fucking wild-ass fight. Like, look, everybody loves standup. When you're watching MMA, sometimes when people clinch people go, "Oh." They want to see the crazy wars. These are the crazy wars all the time. That's the whole fight is crazy wars. Like, how is that not big? I brought it up with Dana, and I said, "Dude, I know you guys are into the slap-bite thing, but I think, like, the thing that's untapped is kickboxing." And, he was like, "Ah, but nobody liked that, that PKA karate." I'm like, "Bro, that was in the 1980s." That was literally, they used to call it the kick of the '80s. Remember?

Eddie Bravo 21:45 Yeah. But, but-

Joe Rogan 21:46 Bad Brad Hepton and-

Eddie Bravo 21:48 It just needs to be marketed different, 'cause it, there's always been kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 21:51 We've always had kickboxing. We had Glory, we had K-1 forever.

Joe Rogan 21:55 But, it didn't ever reach the heights that it was capable of reaching. It could've with Glory. Glory was very, very high level. And, they tried it for a while-

Eddie Bravo 22:03 So how could they do it? How could they do it to take it to the next level?

Joe Rogan 22:05 The UFC machine. Put the UFC machine behind it. If they put the UFC promotion machine behind high-level kickboxing and got, just fucking, "Hey, we're gonna sign the biggest fighters in the world. We're gonna have UFC kickboxing."

Eddie Bravo 22:19 This is good.

Joe Rogan 22:19 So, here's this, here's this gigantic, uh, Chinese guy.

Eddie Bravo 22:22 There's the final against the Grizzly Bear. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Look at the size of that grizzly... Oh, look at that. He's fucking his legs up. And, this guy's 6'8"?

Eddie Bravo 22:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:30 Oh, he's good, man. Oh, chopping those legs down.

Eddie Bravo 22:33 I think he beat all three opponents with leg kicks. They couldn't take it.

Joe Rogan 22:36 Damn.

Eddie Bravo 22:38 So, they're trying to, they're trying to reboot it and, and start a whole new-

Joe Rogan 22:41 Beautiful.

Eddie Bravo 22:42 ... Absolute, K-1. The, the, the, the-

Joe Rogan 22:45 How do you say his name?

Eddie Bravo 22:47 I forget.

Joe Rogan 22:47 L-I-U-C-E. Say his name.

Eddie Bravo 22:50 Luce.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Luce?

Eddie Bravo 22:51 Yeah. Luce.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Damn.

Eddie Bravo 22:53 I'm pretty sure. But, um, what really... Dude, I was so entertained. I was so into it, and I didn't know any of these guys. You know what, you know what did it for me was the tournament.

Joe Rogan 23:04 Mm.

Eddie Bravo 23:04 It's the tournament. I, first round, I didn't know any of these guys. That second round though, I was like, "I know these guys. Shit, that guy's gonna fight that guy." And then, the final, boom. Like, "Oh, shit, Grizzly Bear." I was so into it. I was, uh, commentating with, uh, Michael Chevello. That guy is insane.

Joe Rogan 23:20 I love him.

Eddie Bravo 23:20 He's so good.

Joe Rogan 23:21 I love it.

Eddie Bravo 23:21 And when, when I say insane, I mean he's insane good.

Joe Rogan 23:24 The Big Kabosh!

Eddie Bravo 23:25 Dude, he's so good. He is an encyclopedia of boxing.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Oh. Of Muay Thai-

Eddie Bravo 23:29 And MMA, and MMA.

Joe Rogan 23:31 ... and MMA, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 23:31 He knows, he knows fucking everything.

Joe Rogan 23:32 Everything.

Eddie Bravo 23:33 Dude, I was so impressed with him.

Joe Rogan 23:34 He used to be the guy for One FC. I don't know what happened. It fell apart. He left One FC.

Eddie Bravo 23:41 Sometimes things happen.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Yeah, sometimes things happen, but he's a fucking man.

Eddie Bravo 23:44 Yeah, he's so good, man. And that tournament is-

Joe Rogan 23:46 He's a good dude too.

Eddie Bravo 23:47 Man, it got me into it. Like, I'll watch the next one. As long as it's in tournament form, that's the key, man. That's what got everybody into the UFC is the tournaments. And then, you-

Joe Rogan 23:55 The UFC should hire Michael Chevello and do a fucking, a, a Muay Thai card. Dana, I'll commentate. You heard me. I'll fucking commentate it. Let's go.

Eddie Bravo 24:06 Does, does... Is Dana a fan of kickboxing though? Does he follow it?

Joe Rogan 24:09 Dana's a fan of whatever works. He's a fan of fights. He just thinks that, for whatever reason, that kickboxing never caught on in America. And, I think it's 'cause of that PKA karate shit that they have in the 1980s. But, dudes were wearing fucking long pants, and they couldn't kick the legs. It's a different sport, man. And, there were some great fighters that came out of that, guys like Rick Rufus and... But, it's just, it's a different sport.If you look at the fights on ONE FC, and you look at the fights in, you know, like the classic K-1 fights, like my God, how is that not exciting? It's so exciting. And if they have them fight with the little gloves on, like K-1 does or like, uh, ONE FC does, if Dana decided to get behind that, God, it would be huge. Muay Thai, UFC Muay Thai.

Eddie Bravo 24:56 Now, um-

Joe Rogan 24:57 Fuck yeah. Dana, I'll commentate!

Eddie Bravo 25:01 Do you think-

Joe Rogan 25:01 Let's go! I'll promote it.

Eddie Bravo 25:03 Do you think, um, (clicks tongue) tournaments are still poss- I mean, tournaments with... 'Cause, 'cause tournaments aren't possible at MMA 'cause they say it's too brutal. But kickboxing is way more brutal.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Well, you remember when we went to see Joe Schilling fight in LA?

Eddie Bravo 25:15 It's way more. Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Last Man Standing, that glory of... I think Joe fought three times that night.

Eddie Bravo 25:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:20 Which is crazy for a kickboxing fight.

Eddie Bravo 25:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:24 He fought Artem Levin. Who else did he fight? He fought, uh... God, I don't remember who he fought. (microphone creaking) I don't remember everybody he fought that night. But God damn, that was a war. That was crazy. That's crazy.

Eddie Bravo 25:38 Yeah. Yeah, I remember meeting Gene Simmons there (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 25:41 Oh, yeah (laughs) .

Eddie Bravo 25:43 And the first time I met him, I embarrassed myself.

Joe Rogan 25:46 You told that story?

Eddie Bravo 25:47 Like... Yeah, yeah. So, I was like, "I'm gonna be cool this time."

Joe Rogan 25:50 (laughs) He probably didn't remember, luckily.

Eddie Bravo 25:52 No, no.

Joe Rogan 25:52 That guy has met a billion people.

Eddie Bravo 25:53 Oh, dude. Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 25:55 You want a little cigar?

Eddie Bravo 25:57 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:57 Ron White gives me these. They're little baby cigars.

Eddie Bravo 26:00 You don't... I'm not a big cigar guy, but let's-

Joe Rogan 26:02 They're like, they're basically like a cigarette.

Eddie Bravo 26:05 (clears throat) You don't, you don't inhale it, right?

Joe Rogan 26:06 It's just like pure tobacco. No, you just puff on it. Just take a little puff.

Eddie Bravo 26:12 What do you think of Bare Knuckle?

Joe Rogan 26:15 Like a little nicotine puff.

Eddie Bravo 26:16 Um, I love it. I love what Jorge Masvidal's doing, that Bare Knuckle MMA fights. Haven't been there. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 I love it.

Eddie Bravo 26:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:23 'Cause that's what I think MMA should have been all along.

Eddie Bravo 26:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:26 Why can you have bare elbows, why can you have bare knees, bare shins, a shin to the face is okay-

Eddie Bravo 26:34 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 ... but you have to protect your knuckles? The only thing that does is prevent cuts, and one thing it also does is protect your hands, because you can't really go off like you can with bare... Like, bare knuckle guys are more, th- th- they're more cautious about where they hit.

Eddie Bravo 26:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:51 They're more precise. They have to be more precise. They break their hands.

Eddie Bravo 26:55 I think on paper, bare knuckle is way better than, like, traditional boxing. You know, can you imagine? I mean, if you asked... If you did a poll, and you asked if, what would you rather watch? Um, uh, Floyd Mayweather versus Pacquiao 4 or whatever it is, bare knuckle or regular boxing? I bet a lot... I bet most people are gonna say bare knuckle.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Well, a lot of people that go over to Bare Knuckle are surprised at, like, how little protection you have and how much it hurts.

Eddie Bravo 27:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:24 Like, that's where Mike Perry fucking shines.

Eddie Bravo 27:27 How is he doing right now?

Joe Rogan 27:28 Killing it.

Eddie Bravo 27:29 He's killing it?

Joe Rogan 27:30 Killing it.

Eddie Bravo 27:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 Fucked up Luke Rockhold in his last fight, made him quit, knocked his teeth out.

Eddie Bravo 27:34 Damn, dude.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Luke's like, "Enough." He's fucking everybody up because he's such an animal. Like, if you're tough and there's not a tougher human being alive than Mike Perry. He's like-

Eddie Bravo 27:44 Man.

Joe Rogan 27:44 ... uniquely suited for bare knuckle fighting 'cause he's just such a fucking savage. He's willing to kill or be killed, like legitimately. He's not... Had no fear. He goes in there, kill or be killed. And he's good, man. He knows how to fight bare knuckle. He's clever.

Eddie Bravo 27:59 Who do you think in the, that's currently in the UFC is probably gonna end up doing great in bare knuckle?

Joe Rogan 28:06 That's a good question. Kr- Chris Camozzi just fought. He just fought that dude the Juggernaut, who's the, um, I believe the middleweight champion in Bare Knuckle FC. And, uh, the Juggernaut beat him. Um, it's, uh... The thing about it is, man, it's different. It's just different. When you're just getting knuckles in your eyeballs and knuckles in your face, it fucking hurts more. It's, it's more dangerous.

Eddie Bravo 28:31 Yeah, cuts you up way more.

Joe Rogan 28:32 You're losing teeth. You get hit with a knuckle right here, that tooth's gone, son.

Eddie Bravo 28:35 Even, even with like the highest level mouth guards?

Joe Rogan 28:38 Helps a little, but really, you'd probably need a crazy thick mouth guard. You probably need something different. But even then, it's knuckles. You're getting that bone of a bony-ass knuckle, and it's going right here. It's gonna fuck your teeth up, man.

Eddie Bravo 28:51 Now, K-1, they don't allow you to, uh, do the plum clinch and hold their head and throw multiple knees. You can only hold it like real quick.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Right.

Eddie Bravo 29:00 What do you think about that?

Joe Rogan 29:01 I don't think that's the way to go. I think elbows-

Eddie Bravo 29:04 I- e- one, one, they allow them to hold the clinch longer?

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah. One is Muay Thai.

Eddie Bravo 29:08 Okay.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Like that fight, that was Muay Thai. They can clinch. They can elbow. I want them to be able to use everything.

Eddie Bravo 29:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:14 All the tools, all the weapons.

Eddie Bravo 29:15 Yeah, the more... Yeah, why not?

Joe Rogan 29:16 And let them do it with those little gloves, too.

Eddie Bravo 29:18 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:19 You know, because the big gloves, the thing about the big gloves is you can offer a shield. Like if you ever watched Badr Hari fight, he fights like this.

Eddie Bravo 29:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:26 So it's a shield, right? You have this big 10-ounce glove. It covers, it's cushioned, and you're fighting like this. Like, and Alistair-

Eddie Bravo 29:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:34 ... when Alistair was fighting at K-1, they all fought like this. But you can't do that with those little gloves 'cause the little gloves sni- sneak around.

Eddie Bravo 29:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:41 And you can't do that even more so with bare knuckle 'cause bare knuckle really sneaks around. There's no protection.

Eddie Bravo 29:47 It'll just slide off the fists right into your face.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Exactly. And Mike Perry has developed a style where he holds his hands like real rigid like this.

Eddie Bravo 29:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:55 It's different. Like he, he know, he's adapted to bare knuckle, and he also has had several fights. So he knows what to expect. So if you're Luke Rockhold (clears throat) , and you're fighting Mike Perry, this is your first bare knuckle fight, you've never fought bare knuckle 'cause you certainly aren't fucking training bare knuckle. Like you can train MMA with MMA gloves on, right? You can't really train bare knuckle, right? You got to wear gloves. So that first experience of getting a knuckle in your eyeball and a knuckle on your nose, where your nose gets just fucking splattered all over your face, it's a different experience.

Eddie Bravo 30:28 (clicks tongue) Yeah, man. There's so many different, um, sports now, uh, fighting sports, you know? There's so many. There's, uh...... bare knuckle, regular boxing, even, even regular collegiate wrestling is g- getting bigger. You know, that's getting bigger.

Joe Rogan 30:44 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 30:44 People are starting to w- I'm watching, I never really watched wrestling, but now I'm watching i- i- I didn't realize, and, and I wrestled a couple years, and I didn't realize how fucking, uh, it much, how much it evolved. There's so much shit in wrestling, dude.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Yeah. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 31:00 There's so much shit.

Joe Rogan 31:01 It's like everything else.

Eddie Bravo 31:02 Yeah. All these like-

Joe Rogan 31:03 It's like everything else, all these combat sports evolve.

Eddie Bravo 31:05 Yeah, there's just so many different ways two bodies that are clenched up and mangled up can go and do, it's just, it's so crazy now.

Joe Rogan 31:15 It is crazy.

Eddie Bravo 31:16 Yeah, I mean, (smacks lips) um-

Joe Rogan 31:19 And it's so, they're so technical now, guys are so good.

Eddie Bravo 31:23 Well, you know my favorite shit.

Joe Rogan 31:24 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 31:24 Combat jujitsu, man. I'm, I'm not doing, I'm not, uh, promoting combat jujitsu 'cause someone has a gun to my head, you know what I mean? I'm putting it, I'm, I'm trying to create or, or just take what has worked, like the 16-man tournament, that's the best shit.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 31:39 The 16-man tournament, that was UFC 2.

Joe Rogan 31:41 Hmm.

Eddie Bravo 31:42 16-man, that's why everybody got hooked to the UFC.

Joe Rogan 31:44 And combat jujitsu, it's great.

Eddie Bravo 31:46 16, 'cause the 16-man tournament is a super fight factory.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 31:50 It just makes the super, it's just a gu-

Joe Rogan 31:51 Right.

Eddie Bravo 31:52 And it's a, it's an, you don't have to know any of the fighters.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Right.

Eddie Bravo 31:55 Nobody knew anybody from the UFC.

Joe Rogan 31:57 Right.

Eddie Bravo 31:57 UFC 2, I didn't know anybody, there was a boxer, a kung fu guy, a wrestler.

Joe Rogan 32:00 You see them win the first round-

Eddie Bravo 32:01 And then, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:02 ... and then you go, you're excited now.

Eddie Bravo 32:03 You just gotta pay attention-

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 32:05 ... to the first round and accept that you don't even know, you don't know these guys. And know that by the time you get to the finals, you're gonna know these guys very well.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Could you imagine if somebody brought the UFC back old school? Like bare knuckle, old school, you could wear a gi, do whatever the fuck you want.

Eddie Bravo 32:22 16-man tournament.

Joe Rogan 32:23 16-man tournament, no weight classes.

Eddie Bravo 32:25 Remember the Russian one that was 32 man?

Joe Rogan 32:27 No.

Eddie Bravo 32:28 Dude, there was a Russian one and Igor Vovchanchin won that one.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Of course he did.

Eddie Bravo 32:31 Remember that shit?

Joe Rogan 32:32 I love that guy.

Eddie Bravo 32:32 And he fought, he fought that, uh, that huge Brazilian, uh, they, they called him Ricardo Mora- Ri- Ric- Ricardo Morais, I think.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Ricardo Moraes, he was uh-

Eddie Bravo 32:41 Remember that guy? He's like six-

Joe Rogan 32:42 Carlson Gracie's guy.

Eddie Bravo 32:44 Yeah, he's like 6'8" giant.

Joe Rogan 32:45 Yeah. Giant.

Eddie Bravo 32:46 And he got to the finals against, uh, Igor Vovchanchin. And to be honest, I, maybe the Brazilian won and, (sighs) it's hard to-

Joe Rogan 32:56 I don't remember what-

Eddie Bravo 32:56 Or the, you know what? It wasn't Igor Vovchanchin, it was a guy name Mikhail something. Goddamn it, it was so long ago. It was like ni-

Joe Rogan 33:02 Igor Vovchanchin looked like (clears throat) he was supposed to be like six foot six, but they cut his arms off here.

Eddie Bravo 33:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:11 And put a fist there.

Eddie Bravo 33:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Like his forearms were so thick, remember how thick that dude was?

Eddie Bravo 33:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:17 He was so thick.

Eddie Bravo 33:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:18 And he would fuck people up.

Eddie Bravo 33:19 His legs, oak tree legs.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Who was that Brazilian guy that he knocked out cold?

Eddie Bravo 33:25 Francisco Bueno.

Joe Rogan 33:26 (snaps fingers) Yes.

Eddie Bravo 33:27 Yeah, dude, that's probably still out there. Francisco Bueno-

Joe Rogan 33:29 Find that.

Eddie Bravo 33:30 Igor-

Joe Rogan 33:30 Igor Vovchanchin versus Francisco Bueno.

Eddie Bravo 33:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:34 It was ruthless. Igor was a monster.

Eddie Bravo 33:38 And what Ig- Igor had, he was a, he was a kickboxer with power in his hands. He was vicious.

Joe Rogan 33:44 He was like 5'11" and 5'11" wide.

Eddie Bravo 33:48 And, and the one, everybody wanted to take him to the ground. Everybody-

Joe Rogan 33:52 He was 5'8".

Eddie Bravo 33:53 Yeah, 5'8"!

Joe Rogan 33:53 5'8"?! Jesus Christ!

Eddie Bravo 33:54 Everybody wanted to take him, everybody wanted to take him to the ground. Nobody wanted to stand with him.

Joe Rogan 33:58 No.

Eddie Bravo 33:59 But the thing that Igor had was he didn't really have, uh, a wide array of offensive techniques, i- with jujitsu, but he did have a good, uh, good guard recovery and he keeps you in full guard and survives. Look at that, boom!

Joe Rogan 34:13 Oh my God, show that again. Boom! Boom, boom! He, he hit him three times while he was out cold. Left hook, right hand on the chin, and then as he's going down, bing, bang.

Eddie Bravo 34:29 Dude.

Joe Rogan 34:29 Oh my God.

Eddie Bravo 34:30 Dude, face planted.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Is this Igor when he was younger?

Eddie Bravo 34:34 Oh!

Joe Rogan 34:34 Oh my God, bare knuckle.

Eddie Bravo 34:35 I think that, that's the tournament. This is the one I'm talking about, I think.

Joe Rogan 34:39 Wow!

Eddie Bravo 34:40 That's-

Joe Rogan 34:40 That's how they should do it.

Eddie Bravo 34:41 No cage.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Back up, back up.

Eddie Bravo 34:42 See that? No cage.

Joe Rogan 34:43 See how they did that? That is my fucking dream! That's what they should do, man. That is how they should have MMA.

Eddie Bravo 34:49 (inhales) That's how we do combat jujitsu, we don't do it under the cage.

Joe Rogan 34:52 That's how, that's how they should have MMA.

Eddie Bravo 34:53 And you know that karate combat? I like that too. It's kind of like-

Joe Rogan 34:56 Yeah, little sloped-

Eddie Bravo 34:56 You know, no one w- no one wants to back up, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 34:58 Right.

Eddie Bravo 34:59 'Cause they fall.

Joe Rogan 35:00 Right. Igor Vovchanchin was a man.

Eddie Bravo 35:03 And, and, and the thing about Igor Vovchanchin is, is, check this out, this was all like in the 2000, um, (smacks lips) era. I'm a purple belt and I'm commentating for King of the Cage, right? And, um, back-

Joe Rogan 35:14 That was when you got soccer kicked to the head too in Pride days.

Eddie Bravo 35:17 Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 35:18 Boom!

Eddie Bravo 35:21 And I c- I commentated, uh, um, Pride 10 and 11. And I got to meet, uh, Mark Kerr, right? Mark Kerr, incredible, I mean, his story is incredible. Um, he re- wrestled in h- in college at a high level, was a just a, he was a specimen. He looked a little like fucking Miles Garrett. Mark, uh, Mark Kerr, The Speci- that was his nickname, The Specimen, and The Smashing Machine.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Right.

Eddie Bravo 35:49 Remember his story?

Joe Rogan 35:50 Oh yeah, man.

Eddie Bravo 35:51 That story was-

Joe Rogan 35:52 I had Kurt Angle on the podcast the other day-

Eddie Bravo 35:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:54 ... and Kurt was talking about how good Mark Kerr was as a wrestler.

Eddie Bravo 35:57 Hell yeah. And, uh, Mark Kerr told me, 'cause I got to hang out with him at Pride 10, and we were hanging out at McDonald's and we were just fucking shooting the shit. And he said, he told me the whole s- his whole story, that m- like wrestlers were telling him to do the UFC back like in the late '90s. And he goes, "Dude, look at Mark Coleman. Wrestlers go in there and they just fuck everybody up. You should do it, you should do it." They were trying to talk him into it. And he was like, "Dude, I'm not a fighter like that." And he just didn't have that, uh-

Joe Rogan 36:25 Meanness.

Eddie Bravo 36:25 ... violence. Yeah, he was super nice guy.

Joe Rogan 36:26 He was so nice.

Eddie Bravo 36:27 Super nice guy. And they c- he, they twisted his arm and he was gonna do a UFC and then he backed out. He was like, he, he said, he goes, "Dude, it's just too frightening." So then he got offered to do an eight-man tournament in Brazil, in the middle of nowhere, before the internet or anything. So he said, "You know what? I'm gonna go try this thing in Brazil. And if I get fucked up, nobody's gonna know about it and I'll just dip out." You know what I mean? And so he went down there-And fucking destroyed. He ended up in the finals. It was bare-knuckle, bare-knuckle vale-tudo MMA, old school, in a ring, no cage. And he, and in the finals, he fought, uh, Fabio Wierzcha.

Joe Rogan 37:08 Wow.

Eddie Bravo 37:08 Was it Fabio Wierzcha? It was Fabio Wierzcha. It was a Brez- I'm pretty sure it was him. And, um, dude, he was just in his guard the whole time, never tried to pass. He was just in his guard in the corner, and just headbutting and throwing fucking-

Joe Rogan 37:23 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 37:23 ... bare knuckles and he cut his... He won, and the Brazilians just thought he was a monster. They called him l- uh, like, the smashing machine in Portuguese, which is like machina destroyer. Something like that.

Joe Rogan 37:35 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 37:35 I don't know what it, what it... But anyways, so he, he said, he goes after the, after the fight, "My hands are all cut up. They're all fucked up. They got infected." I went to the, I was in the ho-" He said he was in the hospital, he got in-

Joe Rogan 37:48 How do you get teeth in your hands?

Eddie Bravo 37:50 Yeah, he got all fucked up. He was in the hospital f- with, like, some kind of fucking sickness and shit. And then the promoter, uh, taxed him way more than he thought. He was like, "I'll never do this again. This was the worst fucking experience of my life." Even though he won. Even though he won, it was the worst experience of his life. He don't ever want to do it. It was, he was in the hospital. They fucked him on cash and all that shit. But then, when he got back and on the... The internet was just... You, you'd have, like, little fucking news pages and he would... Then, he saw the magazine of, of him on the cover of a magazine, looking like a destroyer.

Joe Rogan 38:24 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 38:24 A Brazilian magazine. And then that's what said, that's what got him to, to, uh, jump in 100% fully.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Do you remember when he tapped Dan Bobish with a chin to the eye socket?

Eddie Bravo 38:35 That, that was in the UFC?

Joe Rogan 38:36 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 38:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:37 He got ahold of him. He got him side control. We played it the other day. He stuck his chin in Dan... You know he had that big ass chin?

Eddie Bravo 38:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:43 He stuck his chin in Dan Bobish's eye socket and just fucking yanked his back of his head into his-

Eddie Bravo 38:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 ... fucking eye socket. Ah.

Eddie Bravo 38:50 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:51 He tapped him with that. I'm like, "How come no one's done that since?"

Eddie Bravo 38:54 And-

Joe Rogan 38:54 That's a pretty wild move.

Eddie Bravo 38:56 And I was telling him, I, I... And this is what I tell all high-level wrestlers, even, like, low-level wrestlers. You're a wrestler, you need to approach grappling not, not in the sense where you wanna beat jiu-jitsu. Like, "These guys can't take me down." You know, "Jiu-jitsu guys can't take me down. I'll outbox them. They can't box." I'm like, "Okay, okay, but what about the guys that can box? Like kickboxers, you're gonna have to take them down, right? Like, when you find a kickboxer, you're gonna have to take him down. You're gonna have to learn how to pass the guard and get..." And I, and I would tell him, I'd go, "Dude, just get really good at passing the guard, uh, holding side control, submissions from side control, mount, get, have a death mount. You need a death mount. Uh, arm bars, rear naked chokes. Just you gotta get good at passing the guard, Mark." And he said, "Dude, it just takes too much energy, man. It takes too... I'd rather just sit in the guard and just fucking pound." I'm like, "There's gonna be guys that are gonna tie you up and you're not gonna be able to ground and p-" You can't ground and pound everybody. Some people you can, but some guys have a good defensive guard. And, and a lot of wrestlers would say that too. It wasn't just Mark Kerr. They didn't want to pass the guard. They wanted to beat jiu-jitsu. "I'll just stay in the guard and put-"

Joe Rogan 40:04 Joe Coleman always did.

Eddie Bravo 40:05 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:05 He headbutted dudes, punched them in the head in the guard.

Eddie Bravo 40:08 Yeah. Yeah. So, and then he fights Igor Vovchanchyn.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 40:13 He takes Igor Vovchanchyn, uh, a couple times, two, three, maybe four times during that fight, but he can't pass his guard. And Igor Vovchanchyn has a great chin. He's a kickboxer, so little ground and pound, uh, strikes aren't gonna affect him that much. He's not gonna freak out. And he had a really good closed guard and he would hold and he would tie up, and then they would stand him up. And now you got to take him down again. This is in Brazil. This is, uh, Mark Kerr in Brazil right here.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Wow.

Narrator 40:40 This is that vale-tudo championship final.

Joe Rogan 40:42 This is the final? Is that Fabio Wierzcha, who was, uh, Marcelo Garcia's instructor?

Eddie Bravo 40:48 Let's see.

Narrator 40:50 I'll show you when he stands up what he looks like. Just stay, stay like this for the whole time.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Hmm. Interesting. That's the pa- Back when Pedro Rizzo. Yeah, it's Fabio. That's when Pedro Rizzo was fighting too.

Eddie Bravo 41:02 And remember the Pedro too?

Joe Rogan 41:04 Yeah. Do you remember when Gary Goodrich reached into re- the Pedro shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed them?

Eddie Bravo 41:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:11 You could grab balls. (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 41:13 (laughs) Can you find Igor Vovchanchyn Mark Kerr from Pride? And you'll see that he did, he was able to take down Igor Vovchanchyn relatively easy, but he couldn't pass his guard and he couldn't finish him.

Joe Rogan 41:25 And he had to stand up with him.

Eddie Bravo 41:26 And then, eventually, after a couple standups, he was tired and he couldn't take him down no more. And then, you know, strikers light up. They smell blood. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 41:34 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 41:34 And then, uh, he, he... I, I think it was TKO.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Hmm.

Eddie Bravo 41:37 I'm not too sure what kind of strike it was that ended the fight, but it was a, it was a flurry. And, um, that right there just shows like, man, all the best grapplers, not all of them, but a large percentage of the best jiu-jitsu guys-

Joe Rogan 41:53 Here it is.

Eddie Bravo 41:53 ... in the US are wrestlers that fell in love with jiu-jitsu and got really good at guard passing, taking backs, mounting.

Joe Rogan 42:02 Igor had fucking hammers for fists, man.

Eddie Bravo 42:05 Yeah, there was no way he wanted to stand with Igor.

Joe Rogan 42:07 No.

Eddie Bravo 42:10 He did throw down a little bit.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Yeah. Another little short right hand.

Eddie Bravo 42:19 And then boom, he knocks him down here.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Damn.

Eddie Bravo 42:22 Yeah, I remember he hit him with like a big overhand right and knocked him down. See, he keeps taking him down, but he can't finish him. He can't-

Joe Rogan 42:30 Right.

Eddie Bravo 42:31 He's not even-

Joe Rogan 42:31 Egor's just tying him up.

Eddie Bravo 42:32 Yeah, he's not attempting to pass his guard. He basically didn't like passing guard. He didn't, he didn't want to develop any p- guard passing skills. He liked just staying in guards and throwing down. But look at how Egor just wraps him up. It's... And not only is he ha- does he have a good guard and he's wrapping him up, but like I said, he's a kickboxer. He's used to taking punishment.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Right.

Eddie Bravo 42:50 Like, like if he had, like, a wrestler like this or a jiu-jitsu guy, they, they're not... I mean, he did cut him up, but...

Joe Rogan 42:56 ... but they're not, um, gonna- But he's also tired. This was also, this was during the smashing machine. And so, this was when Mark was already going through his addictions too, man. Damn, battle right here. Let's see how it stands. Oh. Oh. He hit him with that right hand. Big right hand. Big right hand. This is such a brutal fight. Ooh. There it is. Oh. Look at those traps, dude. God. That team was so huge. Damn. I talked to Ensign about fighting Igor, and he said, "It was like getting hit by a car." He goes like, "It's ki- (laughs) like getting hit by a car over and over and over again." He goes, "It was just boom, boom." This was back in the 10-minute round days, which I loved. I love the 10-minute first round. I think the 10-minute first round was a genius idea because how many guys, like, you know, they just fucking... Look at Mark just trying some sort of an ankle lock. Dude, that sounded... He almost had an Aoki right there. Mm-hmm. But it's like, how many guys would take a guy down lo- at four minutes and 20 seconds and then the round was over? Can we see how it f- it ended?

Narrator 43:59 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 44:00 The last flurry. So, so many guys would... In, you know, the UFC, you'd take a guy down in the first round and, you know, you got no time to work, and you work so hard to get him to the ground and then the next round starts and you're standing up. Yep. What- That happens a lot too. What do you think about the idea of having used... Oh, he hit him with a knee to the head on the ground. Look at that knee. Look at the sprawl and that knee. Boom. Boom. That's a serious fucking knee right there.

Joe Rogan 44:31 What do you think about the idea of starting every round in the same position where you ended the last round? I'm not opposed to that. I'm not opposed to that at all. Like, I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up. That was it. Oh, that was it right there. That was it. Can you rewind that one real quick? Let's see the final shots. His knee's to the ground. Knees on the ground. That's another thing that I b- I believe in. I don't think you should be able to turtle. Oh yeah, it was dumb. I don't think you should be able to turtle. Yeah. And not get kneed in the head. Yeah. Because that's a legitimate technique. If you can knee a guy standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? Totally. Especially if he's in the turtle. If he's like, uh, h- just hanging onto something, you're hanging onto one knee, you got a knee free, and his head's right there, but that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you- Can you- ... why can't you knee him in the head? Can, can you do that in game bread? Do you know? I don't think so. I think it's unified rules, it's just bare knuckle. I, I believe- That's not, that's not unified rules though. That, that sounds like they would just, I mean they- Bare knuckle, right. Yeah, that's like-

Narrator 45:25 It seems like there was a controversy of some kind after because he was complaining in the hallway.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Oh.

Narrator 45:30 And then they're shown some rep- I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but-

Joe Rogan 45:33 Yeah, he got hit in like the back of the head or something. What, the, the top of the head?

Narrator 45:36 I'm not sure.

Joe Rogan 45:37 Is that not legal? Did they have like... What is the controversy?

Narrator 45:41 They had a hearing about it, it looks like.

Joe Rogan 45:42 Interesting.

Narrator 45:43 I could go close caption and read it, but...

Joe Rogan 45:45 Oh.

Narrator 45:46 This is other parts of the thing, I think.

Joe Rogan 45:49 And then how about- Interesting. ... uh, Mark Coleman, in the, the heavyweight Grand Prix, he, I think he felt, uh, he fought Igor Vovchanchine in the final. Did he? And he kn- I think he, he- He fucked him up with knees. ... from side contr- from north south. Yes. I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vovchanchine, that was in the finals of- I think you're right. ... of the Grand Prix. Uh, now I remember. He won the Grand Prix, right? Mark Coleman did. Yeah. He was the champ. Yeah. I think the knees to the ground i- o- one, it's a no-brainer. That's a no-brainer. If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face and kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head? You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head? It would end so many more fights. So many more fights. How many times has a guy, a guy sprawls and the guy's in a turtle, and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head, but you can't do it? Yeah. I think that should be legal. You know what they're gonna bring back? 12 to 6 elbows. From where? From standing in the guard, anywhere. 12 to 6 elbow's illegal still. T- which is the dumbest thing in the world. Are, are illegal? Il- uh, did I say legal? Illegal. In the mount. Like if I'm mounted- Right. Right. ... you can't go like this. You can't go 12, 6. Yeah. Which doesn't make any sense. But from full guard, you can. You can- If I was on my back in full guard, you could- ... because it's going 6, 12. Yes. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Yes. Yes. But standing, you can't do it. So like if you're, you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12 to 6 elbow, that's illegal. That's illegal. And they're gonna change that? They're gonna change that. Who's behind that? Nevitsky talked to me about it. And he's the- He said, "I know that this is what, something that you complain about all the time, and we think we're gonna be able to get rid of that." I'm like, "Oh, thank God." Yeah. It's the dumbest one. Because it's not even a more powerful elbow. Yeah. It's just they saw... It all came from, Big John McCarthy told me this, that in the early days of MMA, they would bring this to the athletic commissions and they said, "You can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that." You can't- And ice. And ice. (laughs) Yeah. They're like, "You can't break bricks. Like you could kill somebody if you do that." So they go, "Okay, no, no elbow like that." Elbow has to come at an angle. So it can come from, you know, it can't come from 12 to 6, but it can come, it can go 1 to 7 as long... Which is the dumbest shit- Yeah. ... of all time. Yeah. Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that. The hardest elbow is this one. This is the hardest elbow, in my opinion. Yeah. I believe. I mean, at least it, uh, as far as I can throw it- Because you, you're throwing it like, uh- Like a punch. Yeah. And I'm getting my weight into it. If I'm in a ground and pound position, like I've, I've done ground and pound work on a, you know, when you down, get a heavy weight down, uh, a heavy bag down, rather, and I'm trying to see like what I can hit the hardest with, you can hit hard like that, but I can hit them way harder like that. Fucking boom! You can just gen- it's so much more torque. You got all this snap, and it's also an, a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that. It does it all the time. This is unnatural, I think. Yeah. I mean, you could develop it, but it's just a better, it's a better option to have. You wanna be able to have that option to throw that... 'Cause a lot of, if guys are doing this and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking you should be able to do it.

Eddie Bravo 49:00 Yeah. I mean, I, I like, um, what Chatri's doing with one, allowing, you know, knees, knees on the ground, gotta lo- allow that. I mean-

Joe Rogan 49:10 Yeah, it's like soccer kicks.

Eddie Bravo 49:13 I think there was... I'm not sure. I think maybe they, like, you can't stomp on their head anymore.

Joe Rogan 49:20 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 49:21 (laughs) I think, like, I think, like, if you have, if you're in a cage and the back of your head is...

Narrator 49:27 This is from 2021 when they made rules.

Joe Rogan 49:30 Okay. Okay. Uh, grounded. Athletes are considered grounded when they have any weight-bearing part of their body other than the sole... What is this from? What, what rules?

Narrator 49:39 Uh, this is when Colorado approved new rules-

Joe Rogan 49:41 Colorado.

Narrator 49:43 ... for a championship.

Joe Rogan 49:43 For one. Okay. This, this is just for Colorado, though. All hand strikes, including punches, forearms, and elbows to the head, body and le- all elbows? Interesting. So that means Colorado said 12 to six elbows legal?

Narrator 49:56 Uh, so that's where I got this from. There was an article from this year that said when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were gonna allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent, the 12 to six elbow data was in there.

Joe Rogan 50:06 Look, it says, "Kneeing to the head of a grounded opponent is legal."

Narrator 50:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:10 This is Colorado?

Narrator 50:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Wow. Why can't the UFC do that? Go back to that, please.

Narrator 50:16 Oh, okay. Shit.

Joe Rogan 50:18 I wanna see what else it says. Um, upkicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. Huh?

Eddie Bravo 50:27 How could you up-

Joe Rogan 50:28 But you can't upkick to the head. Upkick the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent are legal. Okay. So you can't, you still can't upkick to a grounded opponent, which means-

Eddie Bravo 50:39 But that second to the, the last one, it says, "Upkicks to the body and legs to a ground..." How are you gonna upkick a grounded opponent?

Joe Rogan 50:46 To the body and the head. To the body and the head.

Eddie Bravo 50:48 But, but, upkicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. Like, how do you upkick a grounded opponent?

Joe Rogan 50:55 If you're on your back. If you're on your back and the guy's on top of you and he's got his knees on the ground, he's grounded.

Eddie Bravo 51:00 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 51:00 You can upkick him in the chest.

Eddie Bravo 51:01 Oh, okay. Okay.

Joe Rogan 51:02 You can upkick him in the chest, so the body and the legs. But upkicks to the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent-

Eddie Bravo 51:08 If they're standing. If they're standing.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Right. So if they're standing. So if he's not grounded, he's standing, you can upki- upkick him in the face. I feel like you should be able to upkick a guy to the face if he's on the ground, too.

Eddie Bravo 51:17 You remember that upkick Oleg Toktarov again?

Joe Rogan 51:20 Enzo Gracie.

Eddie Bravo 51:21 Enzo Gracie.

Joe Rogan 51:22 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 51:22 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 51:23 That one, that was probably the first one.

Joe Rogan 51:27 Probably.

Eddie Bravo 51:27 ... that we saw-

Joe Rogan 51:28 Probably, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 51:28 ... in a big fight.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 51:30 And there was people thinking like, "Oh, lucky, lucky kick." But then Enzo was saying, "No, dude, we practice this shit, dog. We practice this." And then, uh, you saw, uh, F- was it Fabio Jorgelo, uh, upkick Jerry Bolander? Remember that?

Joe Rogan 51:46 Oh, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 51:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Bro, guys who are really good kickers, if you get them on their back, they can fuck you up off their back.

Narrator 51:54 This is weird. Pouring water is illegal.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah, because, um, they don't want you to become slippery. The cut man will apply Vaseline to the facial area. The problem with that is, once you get Vaseline on a face, that Vaseline-

Eddie Bravo 52:08 It gets everywhere.

Joe Rogan 52:09 ... is fucking everywhere.

Eddie Bravo 52:09 It's everywhere.

Joe Rogan 52:10 It's everywhere. It's on the necks, the chests.

Eddie Bravo 52:11 Y- you don't need Vaseline. That's some old boxing shit that needs to be cut out.

Joe Rogan 52:14 I believe you're right.

Eddie Bravo 52:15 Yeah, yeah. It's totally unnecessary.

Joe Rogan 52:17 I believe you're right. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 52:17 Like, that's just some boxing bullshit that, that it's probably good for boxing, I guess, but for MMA, that Vaseline gets everywhere.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Gets in the way of grappling.

Eddie Bravo 52:24 It gets everywhere.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Yeah, it gets everywhere.

Eddie Bravo 52:26 And as a promoter or producer or someone who owns a fight show, you want as many finishes as possible, whether they're knockouts or submissions. So you'd want, you'd wanna... Like, that's why in combat jiu-jitsu, we, we make r- rash guards mandatory. Like, you gotta wear rash guards. We don't want two greasy bodies all over the place.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Beautiful. I like that.

Eddie Bravo 52:50 Wear rash guards.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yeah, I like that.

Eddie Bravo 52:52 You know, we should make you wear ve- yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Because that cuts out, that cuts out greasing.

Eddie Bravo 52:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:55 Like the complaint that, that Gordon Ryan had against Nicky Rod.

Eddie Bravo 52:58 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:59 And then, you know, Felipe Pena said the same thing. He's like, "He's greased."

Eddie Bravo 53:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:03 He's like, "Feel him."

Eddie Bravo 53:04 Yeah, you make... It's mandatory. You gotta wear rash guards. I mean, ultimately, you know, probably make it... We haven't done it yet, but, like, ultimately, if there's a problem with greasing legs and stuff like that, uh-

Joe Rogan 53:15 I feel like greasing up spats.

Eddie Bravo 53:16 ... we'll probably make it where you, like, like, you have to wear spats.

Joe Rogan 53:18 I think spats and rash guards. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 53:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 53:21 Just eliminate the greasing.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Eliminate it.

Eddie Bravo 53:22 Because o- other than that, like, if, like, if you tested for greasing, like, that would be so expensive. You'd have to-

Joe Rogan 53:28 And how could you?

Eddie Bravo 53:30 The only way you could do it is, like, you have, before you, as you walk in, they swab your back.

Joe Rogan 53:36 But the problem is that's not even gonna work.

Eddie Bravo 53:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Because you know what guys do? They take a bath in mineral oil.

Eddie Bravo 53:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 So they lay... That's what Wanderlei used to do, apparently.

Eddie Bravo 53:44 Old, old school shit. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:45 They take a bath in mineral oil, and then they dry off. So if you touch them, they're dry. But then once they start sweating, that oil comes out of the pores, and then they're like, "Whoop."

Eddie Bravo 53:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:54 It's like trying to grab ahold of sand.

Eddie Bravo 53:55 Yeah, so, so that could only do so much. But you... I mean, if, when they walk in the cage, they're, they should be warmed up, so they should be sweating, so you might be able to, uh, like, maybe take, like, a s- like, a s- like, a big, like, a glove that is made out of, like, swab material and just go, like, down the back, like that, and then test it. That's-

Joe Rogan 54:15 You know what it would be like?

Eddie Bravo 54:16 But that would be expensive as shit.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Maybe. You know what it'd be like? Like, you know how, like, that... I don't even know if this is real. But you know how when people pee in the pool and they have something that shows the pee?

Eddie Bravo 54:25 Totally.

Joe Rogan 54:25 And you can see it all blue?

Eddie Bravo 54:26 Yeah. Is that real? Oh, that's way real.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Is it?

Eddie Bravo 54:28 Hell yeah. That's old, old shit.

Joe Rogan 54:30 I thought that was just, like, some shit from, from movies.

Narrator 54:33 I just read about it, too. I thought it was a rumor to fuck with kids. I don't know if it's real.

Eddie Bravo 54:35 Yeah. No, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Find out if it's real. (laughs)

Narrator 54:37 No, no. What would it be called? What do you think it'd be called?

Eddie Bravo 54:38 There's some chemical in the-

Joe Rogan 54:39 Um, is there a chemical you could put to show when you're peeing in a pool?

Narrator 54:43 Chemical.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Because, uh, there was a video that I saw that looked really fake. It was a bunch of girls that were in a pool together, and then one girl, like, you see all this pee coming out, like, this blue s-... Everyone's like, "Oh my God, you dirty bitch." And, like, they run away from her because she's peeing in the pool.

Eddie Bravo 54:59 Yeah.

Narrator 54:59 That's for views.

Joe Rogan 55:01 That's for views. Uh, I don't know if it's real.

Eddie Bravo 55:03 No, no, no, it's real. I've heard about that. You put a chemical in the pool, and when you pee-

Joe Rogan 55:06 One of those?

Eddie Bravo 55:07 ... it turns, it turns blue.

Narrator 55:09 Urine, urine indicator dye is a mythical substance-

Eddie Bravo 55:11 What?

Narrator 55:11 ... that is supposed to be able to react with urine and form a colored cloud in a swimming pool or hot tub.

Eddie Bravo 55:16 It's mythical?

Narrator 55:16 ... dust indicating the location of people who are urinating on-

Eddie Bravo 55:19 Oh, my God. I thought it was real.

Narrator 55:20 I did too.

Eddie Bravo 55:20 You hit that light?

Narrator 55:21 Up until now, a couple weeks ago.

Eddie Bravo 55:22 I thought it was ... Like, I didn't ... Like, it doesn't seem like that crazy of a product.

Joe Rogan 55:27 It might be, like, super toxic.

Eddie Bravo 55:30 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:31 I mean, you imagine-

Eddie Bravo 55:31 But is it-

Joe Rogan 55:31 ... how much of that stuff you'd have to put in the water and then that stuff's in your eyes.

Eddie Bravo 55:34 But think about how toxic just a regular swimming pool is. Like, all the chlorine that's in there.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Good point.

Eddie Bravo 55:40 That's got to be horrible for you, right?

Joe Rogan 55:41 Bro, you know what we played the other day, um, on, uh, Protect Our Parks? We were trying to figure out why is there fluoride in water?

Eddie Bravo 55:51 Yeah, that's the old-

Joe Rogan 55:51 There is no-

Eddie Bravo 55:51 That's the oldest-

Joe Rogan 55:52 ... reason-

Eddie Bravo 55:53 That's the oldest-

Joe Rogan 55:54 ... for fluoride to be in drinking water.

Eddie Bravo 55:55 That's such an old conspiracy theory.

Joe Rogan 55:56 It's a real one.

Eddie Bravo 55:57 It's so old. And they, they literally open up bags of fluoride and dump it into-

Joe Rogan 56:04 Drinking water.

Eddie Bravo 56:04 ... the local drinking water. It's like something you do.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Not only that, we played it on Protect Our Parks, we were, like, trying to figure this out, there's a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in drinking water and low IQs.

Eddie Bravo 56:16 I believe it.

Joe Rogan 56:17 100%.

Eddie Bravo 56:18 Like, why would they, why would they open up sacks of fluoride and put it in the water?

Joe Rogan 56:24 You know why? 'Cause you got fluoride and you're trying to sell that shit.

Eddie Bravo 56:28 Yeah. (sighs)

Joe Rogan 56:28 Imagine if you're in the fluoride business and you're hearing us talking, like, "Shut the fuck up!"

Eddie Bravo 56:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:33 Because if people stopped drinking or putting fluoride in drinking water-

Eddie Bravo 56:37 And the official reason, and I don't know, this could ... This might be bullshit, but-

Joe Rogan 56:41 Tooth decay.

Eddie Bravo 56:42 Yeah, they're trying to, like-

Joe Rogan 56:44 Bro.

Eddie Bravo 56:44 ... take care of our teeth.

Joe Rogan 56:45 Brush your fucking teeth.

Eddie Bravo 56:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:47 You know what I said that's like? It's like, if some people are getting skin cancer. "Oh, we're going to put sunscreen in apples."

Eddie Bravo 56:52 Yeah, same thing.

Joe Rogan 56:53 Why would you do that?

Eddie Bravo 56:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Just wear sunscreen. You can get-

Eddie Bravo 56:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 ... sunscreen anywhere.

Eddie Bravo 56:56 Oh, you really care about our teeth that-

Joe Rogan 56:58 Right, that much.

Eddie Bravo 56:59 ... much. You care about our teeth that much, you're sending fucking, uh, shipments, like, those shipping containers filled with fluoride in these sacks that you open them up and-

Joe Rogan 57:11 Dumping them into reservoirs.

Eddie Bravo 57:14 Doesn't make any sense.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Doesn't make any sense.

Eddie Bravo 57:15 There are some cities that have, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:18 Stopped doing that?

Eddie Bravo 57:18 They've stopped it. They-

Joe Rogan 57:19 They should stop doing that.

Eddie Bravo 57:20 They get the ... The community gets together and says-

Joe Rogan 57:22 They should get together.

Eddie Bravo 57:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 57:24 That's where it starts, really. The community.

Joe Rogan 57:25 That's a weird one, man. That's one that's been around for a long time. By the way, who doesn't brush their fucking teeth? Dude, I didn't go to the dentist for 10 fucking years.

Eddie Bravo 57:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 For 10 years. I went. Zero cavities.

Eddie Bravo 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:37 Zero cavities. I don't drink fucking tap water.

Eddie Bravo 57:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Ever.

Eddie Bravo 57:41 Never.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Ever.

Eddie Bravo 57:42 Never.

Joe Rogan 57:42 I also eat very little sugar and I brush my fucking teeth.

Eddie Bravo 57:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Dude, I got Invisalign.

Eddie Bravo 57:48 So do I.

Joe Rogan 57:48 I'm wearing it right now.

Eddie Bravo 57:49 (laughs) I-

Joe Rogan 57:50 For the first time, when I first started wearing it, uh, Trea Tha Truth was on the podcast and he wears a grill. And I was like, "Bro, how do you wear that grill and talk?" Like, because it was fucking with my talking. The first time I wore it on a podcast, I had to not wear it. I can still hear it a little. Can you hear it, Jamie?

Narrator 58:06 Nope.

58:07 Yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 58:07 No?

Eddie Bravo 58:07 I thought ... I looked at your teeth and I'm like, "Damn, he looks like he has Invisalign." But he doesn't. He wouldn't. But you do. I wear that shit all the time too.

Joe Rogan 58:13 I'm trying to clean my teeth up, man.

Eddie Bravo 58:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:15 My lower teeth have been crooked forever, and my doctor said it would probably help my sleep apnea.

Eddie Bravo 58:20 What do you think of my teeth?

Joe Rogan 58:21 Pretty. They're nice. You got nice teeth, bro.

Eddie Bravo 58:24 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 58:24 You got a nice beard.

Eddie Bravo 58:25 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 58:25 I like that beard.

Eddie Bravo 58:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:26 I was saying that, uh, I shaved my beard before I got here today because I look too old.

Eddie Bravo 58:31 I did a music video the other day, so I grew out my beard because I played, uh, a coyote. Uh, like in a-

Joe Rogan 58:38 I love that video. You sent it to me.

Eddie Bravo 58:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:40 I love that video.

Eddie Bravo 58:41 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:42 That song is hilarious.

Eddie Bravo 58:43 Yeah. It's, it's a confusing song.

Joe Rogan 58:46 (laughs) El Coyote.

Eddie Bravo 58:46 Purposely. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:48 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 58:49 But yeah, I'll shave it. I just want to ... I never really had a full beard.

Joe Rogan 58:52 I like it.

Eddie Bravo 58:52 I'll see what's up for a while. I look like I'm fucking 93. I know it.

Joe Rogan 58:55 You remember when Evan Tanner died and I grew that full beard? We all did.

Eddie Bravo 59:00 Yeah. Evan Tanner was a legend, man.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Legend.

Eddie Bravo 59:02 Legend, man.

Joe Rogan 59:04 I really liked that guy, man.

Eddie Bravo 59:05 Man.

Joe Rogan 59:06 When he died, it was when I was living in Colorado, and I said, "Fuck it, man. I'm growing my beard," and I grew ... I had a fucking full-ass beard.

Eddie Bravo 59:15 I was a big-

Joe Rogan 59:15 All the way up to my face.

Eddie Bravo 59:15 ... Evan Tanner fan. He was a big-

Joe Rogan 59:17 He was a good dude, man.

Eddie Bravo 59:17 ... Evan Tanner fan. He was, uh ... He was-

Joe Rogan 59:19 Interesting.

Eddie Bravo 59:20 He had good jiu-jitsu, and back in the day, not that many UFC fighters that were non-Brazilian had good jiu-jitsu. You just didn't see it that much.

Joe Rogan 59:30 Right.

Eddie Bravo 59:30 And he was, like, one of the first.

Joe Rogan 59:32 You remember when he won the middleweight title and he fought Dave Terrell?

Eddie Bravo 59:35 How did he win?

Joe Rogan 59:36 Dave Terrell caught him in a guillotine and almost fucking had him, and he gassed out and Evan Tanner pounded him out. That's how he won the middleweight title. Dave Terrell, man.

Eddie Bravo 59:47 Beast.

Joe Rogan 59:47 God damn, was his jiu-jitsu good.

Eddie Bravo 59:49 Beast.

Joe Rogan 59:50 And still is, I'm sure.

Eddie Bravo 59:51 He-

Joe Rogan 59:51 One of the very first elite leg lockers.

Eddie Bravo 59:54 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Elite leg lockers.

Eddie Bravo 59:56 Yeah, and, and-

Joe Rogan 59:56 And a fucking animal.

Eddie Bravo 59:57 And Dave Terrell was, uh, one of the ... I mean, he was one of the first no ... pure no-gi pioneers.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Hmm.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:04 There was a couple out there. You know, there was Chris Brennan, there was Dave Terrell, Eric Paulson.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Shout out to Chris Brennan.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:11 Yeah, there was ... There, there was, like, maybe four guys that got their black belt in the gi that decided to go no-gi.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Dean Lister.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:19 Dean Lister. Uh, yep, yep. I ... Yeah, that's right. That's right. I, I ... He doesn't really train gi.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Bro, you been paying attention to Geoff Monson?

Eddie Bravo 1:00:27 What happened?

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Geoff Monson lives in Russia, speaks perfect Russian. Go to Geoff Monson's Instagram. I think it's Snowman, Snowman Monson. I forget what it is. He's a full-on Russian. He lives in Russia. He supports Mother Russia. He's got a fucking CCP ... He's got, like, a, a, a hammer and sickle tattoo. He's all in.

Eddie Bravo 1:00:53 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 He just ... This is Geoff Monson, man. He's all ... He's fucking Russian now. He defected. He's a Russian citizen. See if you can go to a video where he's talking in Russian, because there's a lot on his Instagram where he's disc- ... He's talking in Russian. See if you can find one of the ... There it goes. Play that.

Narrator 1:01:13 (Russian)

Eddie Bravo 1:01:20 I got fas- fascism in there.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 How wild is that?

Eddie Bravo 1:01:29 I don't know what the hell he said.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 I don't know. I hope we didn't say, let him say anything horrible.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:34 Is Russia-

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 1:01:35 S- is Russia considered communist still?

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:38 Still?

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 I mean, Russia is.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:40 Don't they, don't they, don't, 'cause wait-

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 It's a dictatorship.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:42 So, wait, wait, the Soviet Union-

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 Well, actually, no. Let me tell you that, let me tell you that right. I'm wrong. No, they have elections.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 1:01:51 But man, the whole, the wh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 But if you, if you want to run against Putin, bro...

Eddie Bravo 1:01:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Good luck.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Good luck.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Good luck with all that. You ain't got much time left.

Eddie Bravo 1:01:59 When was the last time they had an election?

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Well, you know that guy, Prigozhin, who tried to, uh, make a c- a coup against, uh, Putin and he just died in a plane crash?

Eddie Bravo 1:02:08 Is that that, that coup that lasted like six hours?

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 The guy who like, they were literally headed towards Moscow. He was the head of the Wagner Group, headed towards Moscow and then they pulled back at the last minute.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 And, and Putin's like, "Yeah, bro, I'll see you in a little bit." And then his plane blew up in the sky.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:24 Man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 There's a video of his plane in the sky and it's like (imitates explosion) on fire in the sky.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Nothing suspicious about that. (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 1:02:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 I mean, it's kinda crazy.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:35 But like, Soviet Union was communist, and then the Soviet Union fell. Like, the history of the Soviet Union and, and today's Russia-

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:43 ... is really confusing to me. Like, I don't, I don't know what to believe. I don't know what to believe with anything, like when it, when it regards to history. Like, man, it's just like, "What is real and what's not?" I'm just like, "Fuck." I'm just like, "Okay, let's just see how everything plays out." But Soviet Union fell-

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 1:02:59 ... so I thought like Russia c- is claiming like, uh, democratic socialism or something?

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 It's sort of democratic, but Putin-

Eddie Bravo 1:03:08 Sort.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 ... is basically running it. Because Putin was the president of Russia or whatever, you know, whatever they call it over there. And then he stepped down, and then his main guy took over, and then Putin's like, "Fuck this, I'm taking over again." And now he's running it, and he's been running Russia ... Was it ... When did he start running ... When was his second term as president of Russia?

Eddie Bravo 1:03:36 I have no fucking idea.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 You know who also has a, a fucking, uh, Soviet passport, or a Russian passport? Roy Jones.

Eddie Bravo 1:03:43 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Roy Jones Jr.'s tight with Putin.

Eddie Bravo 1:03:46 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Yeah, well he's a star over there, man.

Eddie Bravo 1:03:48 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Yeah, man. He, he had a bunch of boxing fights over there. They love him over there. They, they love like, you know, elite combat sports athletes and ... Roy Jones Jr. in his prime was the fucking man.

Eddie Bravo 1:04:01 Yeah. I mean, you talk about the all-time greats, you can ... I- in his prime, he may have ... I would say he's the best technician ever.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 One of the best athletes that's ever competed in boxing.

Eddie Bravo 1:04:14 M-

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 He was so fast.

Eddie Bravo 1:04:15 Think about that one round he had with, uh, Vinny Pazienza where-

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Oh.

Eddie Bravo 1:04:19 Only round i- i-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 CompuBox history.

Eddie Bravo 1:04:22 Yeah, in CompuBox history where Vinny Pazienza couldn't land a punch. Incredible.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 Incredible.

Eddie Bravo 1:04:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 And then Roy tried to stop the fight. He was teeing off on him. He said to the referee, "Come on, man. It's over."

Eddie Bravo 1:04:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 And the referee's like, "Continue." He's like, (clicks tongue) "All righty." Okay. Putin has been Russia's most powerful politician since he assumed the presidency in 2000, um, after resignation of his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin. And, but the, he stepped down for a while and then came back again, though. But he was like still kind of in power. If he still remains in power un- until 2036, his tenure will surpass even that of Joseph Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union for 29 years.

Narrator 1:05:04 He was supposed to have six-year terms, but he created a new law that can allow that term limit to be reset.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 It's a good move.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 It's a good move if you wanna run things. That's what, uh, Chris Rock was saying about, uh, Trump.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:17 What did he say?

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 When Trump made it into office. He's like, "He's never getting out of there. He's gonna still change the fucking laws. He's not gonna stop being president." I remember Chris Rock was saying that on stage. It was hilarious.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:28 You know that guy, uh, Yuri Bezmenov that you, you bring up every now and then?

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:31 And he explains, um, ideological subversion, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Bro.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:37 If that shit's real, and it seems like it's real, then does that mean Russia is responsible for all our shit?

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 If it's not real, what a prediction.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 What a crazy prediction that we would lose all faith in our democratic process and that we would all, uh, the, the children from the universities w- will all adapt Marxist-Leninist philosophy. They all do.

Eddie Bravo 1:05:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 I mean, how many people are young kids that consider themselves Marxists?

Eddie Bravo 1:06:02 Yeah, so are we, are we in the middle of a fucking, of, of a Russian infiltration? Or is it Chinese?

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Well, I think both of those countries are very clever. You know, they, they do some very clever things.

Eddie Bravo 1:06:17 Are there-

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 One of the things that China does is they buy up corporations. Do you know how many Pr- Someone showed me a list of all these corporations that are run by China. I don't even know if this is true.

Eddie Bravo 1:06:28 Is, is, is, uh, what's the, the Chinese president? Uh ...

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Xi Jinping.

Eddie Bravo 1:06:33 Xi Jinping. Is Xi Jinping and, um ... What's his fucking name (laughs) from Russia? Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Putin?

Eddie Bravo 1:06:42 Putin. Are they like buddies? 'Cause they're both like communists, right?

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Well, um-

Eddie Bravo 1:06:48 I'm, I'm confused there.

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 I'm sure they're united against America now, you know.

Eddie Bravo 1:06:53 And if Yuri Bezmenov, if he's right, he's basically saying that Russia i- has, has put ... We're under some kind of like 20-year Russian infiltration, ideological subversion plan or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Yeah, what it, what he was basically saying-

Eddie Bravo 1:07:11 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 ... was that they have this very long game approach. Whereas the United States, we try to do things quickly and we think about short term. Whereas in Russia, they think about things very long.... very long.

Eddie Bravo 1:07:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 They're also, they're not a, they don't, they're not afraid of people dying over there, because they lost so many people in so many wars.

Eddie Bravo 1:07:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 I mean, if it wasn't for Russia, (clears throat) Russia holding off the Nazis, Russia helped us win World War II in a giant way, in a fucking giant way. And you look at the losses that Russia faced, what was that? The one battle that Shane Gilles brought up during the podcast, like Shane Gilles is a gigantic history buff, and he brought up this one battle where Russia lost some fucking insane amount of people, uh, holding off the, the Nazis. I mean, insane amount of people. Like, way more than any war we've ever lost. That was one of the things that people always said about Russia, like the girls are so hot and there, there's like, they so outnumber men, because so many men died.

Eddie Bravo 1:08:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 So many men died over there. So for the longest time, it was like this overabundance of these hot Russian women, and how many of them came over and became spies?

Eddie Bravo 1:08:36 Yeah. Man, it's like what the fuck is going on? It almost is-

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 What is going on?

Eddie Bravo 1:08:42 It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 1:08:44 ... I don't know what to believe anymore, dog. It's like, it almost seems like there's a, there's a great awakening and then there's a great reset. You know, Klaus Schwab talking about the great reset. Um, and then there's the great awakening. A lot of people are waking up. It's like sometimes I feel like the great awakening is winning, and then sometimes I feel like the great reset is winning. Like, when you start, like all this fighting that we're doing, we're fighting over like dumb shit all the time. And like, wh-

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 All the time, like bathrooms-

Eddie Bravo 1:09:14 It b-

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 ... and gender.

Eddie Bravo 1:09:14 Yeah. Meanwhile, like this new world order is like, uh, like digital currency and-

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 Climate change.

Eddie Bravo 1:09:23 Yeah. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:09:25 ... what the fuck is going on? It just seems-

Joe Rogan 1:09:27 I know.

Eddie Bravo 1:09:28 ... like, it seems like, um, like, like, like there's our politicians here, you know, the ones that we see, the ones that are o- on TV. And then whatever's above them, the guys we don't see- Mm-hmm. ... maybe they just wanna just destroy America. Like how do we destroy America? How do we make it-

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 I think, I think what they want is control.

Eddie Bravo 1:09:49 And, and-

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 They want control the way that China has control, the way that Russia has control.

Eddie Bravo 1:09:54 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 And (clears throat) there's so much freedom in America in terms of freedom of speech and freedom to do whatever you want.

Eddie Bravo 1:10:01 It's like, it's like, uh, like on the surface we see the left fighting with the right, right?

Joe Rogan 1:10:05 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:10:05 On the surface, right? But what if the overall goal is to get us, like the only way we're gonna have like a military regime, like the controllers, they want as m- as much of a military regime as possible, maybe disguise it so we don't think we're under. But the best way to do that, the most, uh, uh, e- the ei- uh, not the easiest, but the best way is you gotta make the people embrace the military, right? You gotta make them embrace. How do you make 'em embrace it? Right now, we're kind of embracing it. We're like, "Oh, where's the military tribunals," and all that shit. With all the shit, it's almost like that, like were we tricked? Are we being tricked into embracing the military? Like there's so, like I don't know which way this shit's going.

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 (clears throat)

Eddie Bravo 1:10:50 It's just so all over the fucking place, man. There's, like all this stuff that Biden is doing, it's like, it's like who, who's advising this motherfucker? You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:11:02 He's running again.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:04 (clears throat) And then they're talking about-

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 Which is wild.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:05 ... they're talking about Michelle Obama running. They, that keeps coming up.

Joe Rogan 1:11:07 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:07 Ted Cruz just talked about that.

Joe Rogan 1:11:09 I think Gavin Newsom can win.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:12 You don't think Michelle Obama has a better chance? She's a w-

Joe Rogan 1:11:14 If she wants to do it.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:16 ... she's a woman, she's a minority.

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 Yeah, if she wants to do it.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 But, uh, does she want to do it? I mean, she's never expressed it. It seems like Gavin Newsom wants to be president.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 And he like fits the bill, handsome, tall, smooth talker.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:30 Like, I-

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 He'd be so much better than Biden as a president.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:34 I mean that's-

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 (clears throat)

Eddie Bravo 1:11:34 ... that's a no-brainer, but it just seems like Banner. Is this a trick?

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 Is that what I was bringing up in the last podcast?

Eddie Bravo 1:11:39 Is this a trick? Is this just so obvious?

Joe Rogan 1:11:41 He's trying to figure out how to remove these homeless encampments in California, but there's laws against it. And there's laws that prevent you from pushing those people out and removing homes.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:50 I will say this though, I will say this, people talk a lot of shit. I mean, I'm in California for the weather. I like the weather, man. The weather's a-

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 The weather's amazing.

Eddie Bravo 1:11:58 ... the weather's amazing, dude. We've had like probably, uh, 14 days over 100 degrees. And y'alls out here and in Florida, you guys are like six months of just death. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 Bro, I can tell.

Eddie Bravo 1:12:10 And don't say you like it because-

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 I like it.

Eddie Bravo 1:12:11 ... if you like it, turn your air conditioner on-

Joe Rogan 1:12:13 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 1:12:13 ... and tell them how much you like it. Everybody says they like it, eh, as long as they're in air conditioned, uh, facilities.

Joe Rogan 1:12:18 Right, but that's how California is too. When it's 100 degrees outside in California and you wanna be-

Eddie Bravo 1:12:22 But, but no, I'm talking about the d- b- no, no, the amount of days per year.

Joe Rogan 1:12:24 That's true.

Eddie Bravo 1:12:25 Is there's so few-

Joe Rogan 1:12:25 It's way more, it's way hotter here for longer.

Eddie Bravo 1:12:27 And, and, um, I almost moved to Florida, I almost did, I almost went to Tampa. Um, thank God I didn't, I'm glad I waited it out. But, um, all the, during the height of, of all the BS, man, it was so scary on the 101, there were, the homeless just, they were on the freeway.

Joe Rogan 1:12:45 Everywhere. Everywhere.

Eddie Bravo 1:12:45 So if you're in rush hour on the 101, it's like Mad Max, dog.

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:12:50 It was fucking scary. You're like, you're just sitting there and there's all these people around you just living encamped out on the freeway.

Joe Rogan 1:12:57 Bro, if they just got rid of that, if they just eliminated the homeless encampments, find shelter for these people, get them counseling, that's A, that's number one.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:07 But, but, but they did clean all that up. They're not on the freeways no more.

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 Not on the freeways.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:11 They, they cleaned-

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 But they still, if you go to Venice, it's a disaster.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:14 Yeah, but it's not-

Joe Rogan 1:13:15 You go to Santa Monica, it's a disaster.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:16 ... they, they have cleaned it up a little bit. I can't deny it. I see it.

Joe Rogan 1:13:19 Okay. They should clean it up, clean it up.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:21 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 Like all the way.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:22 And there was this-

Joe Rogan 1:13:22 Do that.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:23 You know, I drive in the downtown all the time and there's a certain, there's a certain bridge that I drive under, and it's always, ev- every day there's just, it's, people like put up like houses there.

Joe Rogan 1:13:35 Yeah, they have electricity, they're tapping on lines.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:37 But they cleaned it out.

Joe Rogan 1:13:39 Good.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:39 I don't know if they cleaned it out everywhere, but in my path where I see 'em, like they're doing something about the homeless.

Joe Rogan 1:13:45 Good.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:13:46 Good.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:46 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:13:46 Praise to them for doing that.

Eddie Bravo 1:13:48 Yeah.