Joe Rogan Experience #2040 - Eddie Bravo

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I went to my first NFL game. Yeah.

   4. EBEddie Bravo0:15

      What?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yeah.

   6. EBEddie Bravo0:16

      Are we on? Are we on?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah, we're up, we're up.

   8. EBEddie Bravo0:18

      Yeah. What'd you do?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      The Jets versus the Cowboys.

   10. EBEddie Bravo0:20

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Yeah.

   12. EBEddie Bravo0:21

       Wait-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       In Dallas.

   14. EBEddie Bravo0:23

       Yeah, Cowboys, uh, that would just happen, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah.

   16. EBEddie Bravo0:26

       Two weeks ago or last week?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Last week.

   18. EBEddie Bravo0:28

       The Jets?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Last Sunday.

   20. EBEddie Bravo0:30

       Yeah, a week ago.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       A week ago, yeah.

   22. EBEddie Bravo0:32

       A week ago.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Was fucking awesome. How many people does that place seat?

   24. EBEddie Bravo0:35

       Hund-... That one's probably close to 100.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       It's amazing.

   26. EBEddie Bravo0:38

       80 plus, for sure.

   27. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       80 plus. That plus, place is fucking amazing.

   29. EBEddie Bravo0:41

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I've never seen an NFL game live.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh. …

   1. NANarrator15:00

      It was a pop-up shop.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Oh.

   3. NANarrator15:02

      Like, mobile, like a... Almost a bus or something. But-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      I thought it was at a brick and mortar store.

   5. NANarrator15:07

      It says after parking his 24-foot camper on Main Street between Hastings and Cordova-

   6. EBEddie Bravo15:12

      (laughs)

   7. NANarrator15:12

      ... he made his first sales. Yeah. I think he was doing it. I mean, it does show people walking in and out of a building, but it might have just been vacant and they just kind of walked in. I don't know.

   8. EBEddie Bravo15:18

      You know what's crazy? I was just in Japan, and you don't ever have to worry about any kind of crime in Japan.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Isn't it wild? Japan's amazing.

   10. EBEddie Bravo15:27

       There's no crime. But, you know, it- it is. That is definitely a... And it's so clean. They clean everything. Uh, everybody's super nice, you know, everybody. But you can't have a gun. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Right.

   12. EBEddie Bravo15:39

       Yeah. They got everybody-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Yeah.

   14. EBEddie Bravo15:41

       ... under control, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Yeah.

   16. EBEddie Bravo15:43

       But I was there for Quintet, and Quintet is a team jujitsu tournament. It was... It's amazing. Uh, Sakuraba, the Pride legend, he's... That's his show. But this time-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Does he still grapple?

   18. EBEddie Bravo15:58

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       How's his knees?

   20. EBEddie Bravo15:59

       He's on the team. He's got a team.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       How's his knees?

   22. EBEddie Bravo16:01

       I don't know.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Does he wrap them up like mummies still?

   24. EBEddie Bravo16:03

       He doesn't really speak English, so we- we... We have a hard time-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       I love that guy.

   26. EBEddie Bravo16:08

       Uh... He's awesome.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       I fucking love him.

   28. EBEddie Bravo16:10

       We just do, like, jokey stuff whenever I see him or... 'Cause he's like a clown.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah. He's so funny.

   30. EBEddie Bravo16:15

       And we do clown stuff. Yeah. But it... But... So Quintet decided to co-promote with K-1.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (clicks tongue) Yeah, man. There's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      has had several fights. So he knows what to expect. So if you're Luke Rockhold (clears throat) , and you're fighting Mike Perry, this is your first bare knuckle fight, you've never fought bare knuckle 'cause you certainly aren't fucking training bare knuckle. Like you can train MMA with MMA gloves on, right? You can't really train bare knuckle, right? You got to wear gloves. So that first experience of getting a knuckle in your eyeball and a knuckle on your nose, where your nose gets just fucking splattered all over your face, it's a different experience.

   2. EBEddie Bravo30:28

      (clicks tongue) Yeah, man. There's so many different, um, sports now, uh, fighting sports, you know? There's so many. There's, uh...... bare knuckle, regular boxing, even, even regular collegiate wrestling is g- getting bigger. You know, that's getting bigger.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      Yeah.

   4. EBEddie Bravo30:44

      People are starting to w- I'm watching, I never really watched wrestling, but now I'm watching i- i- I didn't realize, and, and I wrestled a couple years, and I didn't realize how fucking, uh, it much, how much it evolved. There's so much shit in wrestling, dude.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:00

      Yeah. Yeah.

   6. EBEddie Bravo31:00

      There's so much shit.

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:01

      It's like everything else.

   8. EBEddie Bravo31:02

      Yeah. All these like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:03

      It's like everything else, all these combat sports evolve.

   10. EBEddie Bravo31:05

       Yeah, there's just so many different ways two bodies that are clenched up and mangled up can go and do, it's just, it's so crazy now.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       It is crazy.

   12. EBEddie Bravo31:16

       Yeah, I mean, (smacks lips) um-

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       And it's so, they're so technical now, guys are so good.

   14. EBEddie Bravo31:23

       Well, you know my favorite shit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       (laughs)

   16. EBEddie Bravo31:24

       Combat jujitsu, man. I'm, I'm not doing, I'm not, uh, promoting combat jujitsu 'cause someone has a gun to my head, you know what I mean? I'm putting it, I'm, I'm trying to create or, or just take what has worked, like the 16-man tournament, that's the best shit.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       Yeah.

   18. EBEddie Bravo31:39

       The 16-man tournament, that was UFC 2.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       Hmm.

   20. EBEddie Bravo31:42

       16-man, that's why everybody got hooked to the UFC.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:44

       And combat jujitsu, it's great.

   22. EBEddie Bravo31:46

       16, 'cause the 16-man tournament is a super fight factory.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       Mm-hmm.

   24. EBEddie Bravo31:50

       It just makes the super, it's just a gu-

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       Right.

   26. EBEddie Bravo31:52

       And it's a, it's an, you don't have to know any of the fighters.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       Right.

   28. EBEddie Bravo31:55

       Nobody knew anybody from the UFC.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       Right.

   30. EBEddie Bravo31:57

       UFC 2, I didn't know anybody, there was a boxer, a kung fu guy, a wrestler.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   It seems like there…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? Totally. Especially if he's in the turtle. If he's like, uh, h- just hanging onto something, you're hanging onto one knee, you got a knee free, and his head's right there, but that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you- Can you- ... why can't you knee him in the head? Can, can you do that in game bread? Do you know? I don't think so. I think it's unified rules, it's just bare knuckle. I, I believe- That's not, that's not unified rules though. That, that sounds like they would just, I mean they- Bare knuckle, right. Yeah, that's like-

   2. NANarrator45:25

      It seems like there was a controversy of some kind after because he was complaining in the hallway.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Oh.

   4. NANarrator45:30

      And then they're shown some rep- I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      Yeah, he got hit in like the back of the head or something. What, the, the top of the head?

   6. NANarrator45:36

      I'm not sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:37

      Is that not legal? Did they have like... What is the controversy?

   8. NANarrator45:41

      They had a hearing about it, it looks like.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:42

      Interesting.

   10. NANarrator45:43

       I could go close caption and read it, but...

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Oh.

   12. NANarrator45:46

       This is other parts of the thing, I think.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       And then how about- Interesting. ... uh, Mark Coleman, in the, the heavyweight Grand Prix, he, I think he felt, uh, he fought Igor Vovchanchine in the final. Did he? And he kn- I think he, he- He fucked him up with knees. ... from side contr- from north south. Yes. I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vovchanchine, that was in the finals of- I think you're right. ... of the Grand Prix. Uh, now I remember. He won the Grand Prix, right? Mark Coleman did. Yeah. He was the champ. Yeah. I think the knees to the ground i- o- one, it's a no-brainer. That's a no-brainer. If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face and kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head? You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head? It would end so many more fights. So many more fights. How many times has a guy, a guy sprawls and the guy's in a turtle, and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head, but you can't do it? Yeah. I think that should be legal. You know what they're gonna bring back? 12 to 6 elbows. From where? From standing in the guard, anywhere. 12 to 6 elbow's illegal still. T- which is the dumbest thing in the world. Are, are illegal? Il- uh, did I say legal? Illegal. In the mount. Like if I'm mounted- Right. Right. ... you can't go like this. You can't go 12, 6. Yeah. Which doesn't make any sense. But from full guard, you can. You can- If I was on my back in full guard, you could- ... because it's going 6, 12. Yes. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Yes. Yes. But standing, you can't do it. So like if you're, you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12 to 6 elbow, that's illegal. That's illegal. And they're gonna change that? They're gonna change that. Who's behind that? Nevitsky talked to me about it. And he's the- He said, "I know that this is what, something that you complain about all the time, and we think we're gonna be able to get rid of that." I'm like, "Oh, thank God." Yeah. It's the dumbest one. Because it's not even a more powerful elbow. Yeah. It's just they saw... It all came from, Big John McCarthy told me this, that in the early days of MMA, they would bring this to the athletic commissions and they said, "You can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that." You can't- And ice. And ice. (laughs) Yeah. They're like, "You can't break bricks. Like you could kill somebody if you do that." So they go, "Okay, no, no elbow like that." Elbow has to come at an angle. So it can come from, you know, it can't come from 12 to 6, but it can come, it can go 1 to 7 as long... Which is the dumbest shit- Yeah. ... of all time. Yeah. Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that. The hardest elbow is this one. This is the hardest elbow, in my opinion. Yeah. I believe. I mean, at least it, uh, as far as I can throw it- Because you, you're throwing it like, uh- Like a punch. Yeah. And I'm getting my weight into it. If I'm in a ground and pound position, like I've, I've done ground and pound work on a, you know, when you down, get a heavy weight down, uh, a heavy bag down, rather, and I'm trying to see like what I can hit the hardest with, you can hit hard like that, but I can hit them way harder like that. Fucking boom! You can just gen- it's so much more torque. You got all this snap, and it's also an, a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that. It does it all the time. This is unnatural, I think. Yeah. I mean, you could develop it, but it's just a better, it's a better option to have. You wanna be able to have that option to throw that... 'Cause a lot of, if guys are doing this and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking you should be able to do it.

   14. EBEddie Bravo49:00

       Yeah. I mean, I, I like, um, what Chatri's doing with one, allowing, you know, knees, knees on the ground, gotta lo- allow that. I mean-

   15. JRJoe Rogan49:10

       Yeah, it's like soccer kicks.

   16. EBEddie Bravo49:13

       I think there was... I'm not sure. I think maybe they, like, you can't stomp on their head anymore.

   17. JRJoe Rogan49:20

       (laughs)

   18. EBEddie Bravo49:21

       (laughs) I think, like, I think, like, if you have, if you're in a cage and the back of your head is...

   19. NANarrator49:27

       This is from 2021 when they made rules.

   20. JRJoe Rogan49:30

       Okay. Okay. Uh, grounded. Athletes are considered grounded when they have any weight-bearing part of their body other than the sole... What is this from? What, what rules?

   21. NANarrator49:39

       Uh, this is when Colorado approved new rules-

   22. JRJoe Rogan49:41

       Colorado.

   23. NANarrator49:43

       ... for a championship.

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:43

       For one. Okay. This, this is just for Colorado, though. All hand strikes, including punches, forearms, and elbows to the head, body and le- all elbows? Interesting. So that means Colorado said 12 to six elbows legal?

   25. NANarrator49:56

       Uh, so that's where I got this from. There was an article from this year that said when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were gonna allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent, the 12 to six elbow data was in there.

   26. JRJoe Rogan50:06

       Look, it says, "Kneeing to the head of a grounded opponent is legal."

   27. NANarrator50:09

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan50:10

       This is Colorado?

   29. NANarrator50:11

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan50:12

       Wow. Why can't the UFC do that? Go back to that, please.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:48

   Hmm. …

   1. EBEddie Bravo1:00:00

      the ... I mean, he was one of the first no ... pure no-gi pioneers.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Hmm.

   3. EBEddie Bravo1:00:04

      There was a couple out there. You know, there was Chris Brennan, there was Dave Terrell, Eric Paulson.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Shout out to Chris Brennan.

   5. EBEddie Bravo1:00:11

      Yeah, there was ... There, there was, like, maybe four guys that got their black belt in the gi that decided to go no-gi.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      Dean Lister.

   7. EBEddie Bravo1:00:19

      Dean Lister. Uh, yep, yep. I ... Yeah, that's right. That's right. I, I ... He doesn't really train gi.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      Bro, you been paying attention to Geoff Monson?

   9. EBEddie Bravo1:00:27

      What happened?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Geoff Monson lives in Russia, speaks perfect Russian. Go to Geoff Monson's Instagram. I think it's Snowman, Snowman Monson. I forget what it is. He's a full-on Russian. He lives in Russia. He supports Mother Russia. He's got a fucking CCP ... He's got, like, a, a, a hammer and sickle tattoo. He's all in.

   11. EBEddie Bravo1:00:53

       Interesting.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       He just ... This is Geoff Monson, man. He's all ... He's fucking Russian now. He defected. He's a Russian citizen. See if you can go to a video where he's talking in Russian, because there's a lot on his Instagram where he's disc- ... He's talking in Russian. See if you can find one of the ... There it goes. Play that.

   13. NANarrator1:01:13

       (Russian)

   14. EBEddie Bravo1:01:20

       I got fas- fascism in there.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       How wild is that?

   16. EBEddie Bravo1:01:29

       I don't know what the hell he said.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       I don't know. I hope we didn't say, let him say anything horrible.

   18. EBEddie Bravo1:01:34

       Is Russia-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       (laughs)

   20. EBEddie Bravo1:01:35

       S- is Russia considered communist still?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Yeah.

   22. EBEddie Bravo1:01:38

       Still?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       I mean, Russia is.

   24. EBEddie Bravo1:01:40

       Don't they, don't they, don't, 'cause wait-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       It's a dictatorship.

   26. EBEddie Bravo1:01:42

       So, wait, wait, the Soviet Union-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       Well, actually, no. Let me tell you that, let me tell you that right. I'm wrong. No, they have elections.

   28. EBEddie Bravo1:01:49

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       (laughs)

   30. EBEddie Bravo1:01:51

       But man, the whole, the wh-

Episode duration: 2:41:01