Joe Rogan Experience #2040 - Eddie Bravo

1. 0:00 – 2:07

   First live NFL game: Cowboys–Jets, Aaron Rodgers hype, and why football “clicks” in person

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I went to my first NFL game. Yeah.

   4. EBEddie Bravo0:15

      What?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yeah.

   6. EBEddie Bravo0:16

      Are we on? Are we on?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah, we're up, we're up.

   8. EBEddie Bravo0:18

      Yeah. What'd you do?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      The Jets versus the Cowboys.

   10. EBEddie Bravo0:20

       Oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Yeah.

   12. EBEddie Bravo0:21

       Wait-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       In Dallas.

   14. EBEddie Bravo0:23

       Yeah, Cowboys, uh, that would just happen, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah.

   16. EBEddie Bravo0:26

       Two weeks ago or last week?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Last week.

   18. EBEddie Bravo0:28

       The Jets?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Last Sunday.

   20. EBEddie Bravo0:30

       Yeah, a week ago.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       A week ago, yeah.

   22. EBEddie Bravo0:32

       A week ago.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Was fucking awesome. How many people does that place seat?

   24. EBEddie Bravo0:35

       Hund-... That one's probably close to 100.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       It's amazing.

   26. EBEddie Bravo0:38

       80 plus, for sure.

   27. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       80 plus. That plus, place is fucking amazing.

   29. EBEddie Bravo0:41

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I've never seen an NFL game live.
2. 2:07 – 6:56

   Eddie’s Browns obsession: role complexity, jiu-jitsu for linemen, and Nick Chubb’s gruesome injury

   1. EBEddie Bravo2:07

      ... my Browns, you know, I'm, I'm following the Browns every day in the off season. Un- undrafted free agents, the fucking draft, everything.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:17

      Really?

   3. EBEddie Bravo2:17

      This practice squad.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      You're all in, huh?

   5. EBEddie Bravo2:19

      I'm all in. I love it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      Wow.

   7. EBEddie Bravo2:20

      I love it. It's such an amazing sport. Like every, every player has their own mission, you know, and the quarterback needs to know as-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      Yeah.

   9. EBEddie Bravo2:27

      ... many of those missions as possible. He needs to know what's going on. But everyone else, they just need one miss- they got one mission. Every, every player, everybody's doing something different.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       It's incredible to watch.

   11. EBEddie Bravo2:37

       And then there's all these coaches.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       Yeah.

   13. EBEddie Bravo2:39

       Um, I'm actually friends with, um, do you remember, do you remember, there was a Sports Illustrated article on a football coach that was o- o- offensive line coach that was teaching jujitsu to, uh, NFL players to help them in the offensive line? That's Scot Peters from the Cleveland Browns.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Really?

   15. EBEddie Bravo2:58

       Yeah, there was an article on it, and I remember reading it a couple years ago.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       What, what would help with jujitsu? Just being able to clinch? Understanding how to throw bodies around? I think, like-

   17. EBEddie Bravo3:07

       I think so.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       Wrestling.

   19. EBEddie Bravo3:09

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Like, wrestling seems like-

   21. EBEddie Bravo3:10

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       ... it would help a lot.

   23. EBEddie Bravo3:11

       Touch, feel, you know, balance. But I'm not sure. I haven't... I need to talk to him about that because I just met him, like via text through a friend. I had a guy on a podcast, he knows him. And apparently, he, he played football too. His name is Scot Peters, and he, you know, when he, when he retired he started doing MMA and started doing jujitsu and fell in love with it. Then he got a job as a, he's an assistant offensive line coach for the Browns, and, uh, h- he's all about teaching them jujitsu.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Wow.

   25. EBEddie Bravo3:39

       It's pretty badass. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Well, I'd imagine those guys are all badasses, they want to learn jujitsu.

   27. EBEddie Bravo3:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Who doesn't want to learn jujitsu?

   29. EBEddie Bravo3:45

       Yeah, yeah. And-

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Who's, who's going, "Nah, I don't want to learn that shit"?
3. 6:56 – 10:05

   Instagram carnage and highway anxiety: crash clips, runaway tires, and drugged driving

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:56

      Bro, I watched this guy, um, who was doing that, and both his legs exploded. You know those Instagram clips? There's so many Instagram ... Tom Segura and I (laughs) , every day when I wake up in the morning to take a leak and I check my phone, Tom Segura's sending me some fucking horrible video. We- we share horrible videos to each other. It's like a ... I'll show you the thread. We got a ongoing thread of me and him just the worst shit we can find online, we send to each other, and every day I get nervous every time I open up my phone. (laughs)

   2. EBEddie Bravo7:26

      Oh, shit.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:26

      It's all fucking ... It's all like ... Yeah, I sent him this one today. This guy's brakes failed. I sent you this, Jamie. This one's horrible. There's so many videos like that. W- have you ever seen more people die than on Instagram lately?

   4. EBEddie Bravo7:44

      What do you mean? Oh, death?

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:46

      Death.

   6. EBEddie Bravo7:46

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:47

      I've seen more people get shot, more people get run over by cars, more people get gored by bulls, more people get bit by alligators.

   8. EBEddie Bravo7:56

      Yeah, I saw ...

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:57

      Look at this one. Brakes failed. Boom. Look at this. How insane is that, dude?

   10. EBEddie Bravo8:04

       Fuck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Fuck.

   12. EBEddie Bravo8:07

       That could happen at any time, Joe.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       At any time. I think about that all the time when I'm on the highway. You know, when I come home from the mothership, at nighttime in Texas, that's when all the truck drivers are on the road. And so when I come home, sometimes like we're the only car on the road. It's like all trucks. It's all semis. And one time there was a, um, some sort of a traffic thing, so the opposite side of the road, all the traffic was shut down, and it was hundreds of semis. Hundreds. I'm like, "I guess they just drive at night." Like when there's go- gonna be no traffic, that's when they can make the most, most time.

   14. EBEddie Bravo8:47

       That makes sense.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       It makes sense. But it's like, one of those fucking dudes is not paying attention or their fucking Adderall runs out or whatever, they fall asleep at the wheel, and you're done, man.

   16. EBEddie Bravo8:58

       You know what video I just saw was, uh, a couple, male and female, just like off to the side of the road on the freeway, and they're like, I don't know, they're broke down, and this tire got loose and was coming and rolling down and fucking went right into the chick. It was horrible, man. Oh, it was horrible, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:18

       Tires-

   18. EBEddie Bravo9:18

       Have you seen that, Jamie? That one's, that one's fucked up.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Tires take people out, man. They take people out.

   20. EBEddie Bravo9:24

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       'Cause they pop off sometimes. People don't check their fucking lug nuts.

   22. EBEddie Bravo9:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       Tire ... Do you see that one lady who was driving on the highway? She was on pills and the cops pulled her over and she had no wheel. Her, her right passenger side front wheel was gone, and she's driving on the brake.

   24. EBEddie Bravo9:42

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       So she's got her rotors and it's just sparking. She's just like this (whistles) . She doesn't even know anything's wrong. And the cops pull her over and they're like, "What the fuck are you doing?" She's like, "What? What's going on?" And they're like, "Are you on pills?" She's like, "No, I'm not on pills." Like, she's clearly on pills. And you gotta think like how many people out ... I mean, we know how many people are on Oxys, right?

   26. EBEddie Bravo10:02

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       How many people are just driving around on pills?

4. 10:05 – 13:07

   Weed legality contradictions: Texas enforcement, Tommy Chong’s bong case, and decriminalization drift

   1. EBEddie Bravo10:05

      How are those still legal?

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:06

      Incredible. Incredible.

   3. EBEddie Bravo10:09

      They-

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:09

      But meanwhile, marijuana isn't.

   5. EBEddie Bravo10:11

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:11

      Meanwhile, mushrooms aren't.

   7. EBEddie Bravo10:13

      Yeah, they're trying to get the ... I keep seeing that they're still trying to get weed on, off Schedule I.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:19

      Yeah.

   9. EBEddie Bravo10:19

      I mean, it seems like it's close, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       Yeah.

   11. EBEddie Bravo10:22

       You would think that they, uh, would just, uh, like just make that happen already, 'cause state after state after state is legalizing it, right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       Yeah.

   13. EBEddie Bravo10:30

       What's the state of weed in Texas?

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       Texas, it's, it's decriminalized in Austin. It is illegal in Texas. Bro, they arrested Willie Nelson.

   15. EBEddie Bravo10:40

       (sighs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       That should be against the law.

   17. EBEddie Bravo10:42

       And Tommy Chong.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah, but Willie Nelson ... Tommy Chong was a different one. Tommy Chong was a bad one because what they ... And I talked to Tommy a-after it happened and he did my podcast. This was a long time ago. They got him in Florida, and all he was doing was selling bongs. He was selling bongs. But if you sell bongs in Florida, it was drug paraphernalia, and so they threatened his family 'cause it was a family business. So Tommy's like, "I'll go to jail." So Tommy went to jail for them, and then afterwards, I think they drug tested him for a long time. I think part of the, you know, the conditions of his parole was that they had to randomly drug test him, so he couldn't smoke any weed for a long fucking time. Now he's selling weed.

   19. EBEddie Bravo11:28

       And, and how much time did he do? Did he do time?

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       (sighs)

   21. EBEddie Bravo11:31

       He went to jail, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       He did time. He did time. That's right. He w- he did time. I think Tommy Chong ... I wanna say he did two years.

   23. EBEddie Bravo11:37

       Damn.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       Let's find out. Find out how, how much time did Tommy Chong get.

   25. EBEddie Bravo11:39

       For weed?

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Not even for weed.

   27. EBEddie Bravo11:42

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       Eddie, Eddie, for fucking bongs.

   29. EBEddie Bravo11:44

       Yeah. That was just half-baked. For weed?

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       (laughs)
5. 13:07 – 16:15

   “The Drugs Store” in Vancouver, fentanyl risk, and a detour to Japan’s low-crime culture

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:07

      I'm, I'm with it. I'm with it. And, you know, in other states, like, I believe in Oregon, they've decriminalized mushrooms. What have they done with Oregon... Oregon with mushrooms?

   2. EBEddie Bravo13:17

      Yeah, I think they... Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:18

      I think Oregon might have decriminalized everything. I think Oregon is a wild state. I think they might have decriminalized literally everything. I think they decriminalized steroids. I think they decriminalized mushrooms. I think they decriminalized fucking everything. Do you know in Vancouver, you can buy... They have a place called The Drugs Store, and you can go in there and buy tested drugs. So, you can go in there and buy tested cocaine. It's a brick and mortar store. And this guy is apparently testing the boundaries of the law. I mean, what a fuck... I would think that's a trap. If I was, like, walking into that drug store, I was like, "You got cocaine? You have cocaine, pure cocaine for sale?"

   4. EBEddie Bravo14:03

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:03

      Are you wearing a wire, bitch? Like, "What the fuck is going on? How are you... What are you doing? You're selling... I'm gonna buy cocaine from you in a store? Can I use my credit card? I can?"

   6. EBEddie Bravo14:13

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:13

      (laughs) Like, what is... See if you can find that, The Drugs Store.

   8. NANarrator14:18

      I don't think... I think it might have been shut down 'cause the owner died from a suspected fentanyl overdose.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:22

      Ah! Whoops. He wasn't taking his own product.

   10. NANarrator14:26

       Yeah. It says the store shut down 24 hours later.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       Oh, wow.

   12. NANarrator14:30

       Yeah, they might have killed him, but I don't know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       I bet, like, some rival drug dealers. Like, "Hey, man, fuck you." If he died from fentanyl, I don't think the government would have poisoned him with fentanyl.

   14. EBEddie Bravo14:41

       Yeah. The fentanyl thing is crazy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       Crazy.

   16. EBEddie Bravo14:44

       How could anybody want to do coke knowing that shit's out there?

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       I think they have tests, but if you're one of those dudes who's partying, you're doing coke, you're not going, "Hey, you guys have a test?"

   18. NANarrator14:58

       This also wasn't, like, a real store. It was a pop-up shop.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:01

       Oh.

   20. NANarrator15:02

       Like, mobile, like a... Almost a bus or something. But-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       I thought it was at a brick and mortar store.

   22. NANarrator15:07

       It says after parking his 24-foot camper on Main Street between Hastings and Cordova-

   23. EBEddie Bravo15:12

       (laughs)

   24. NANarrator15:12

       ... he made his first sales. Yeah. I think he was doing it. I mean, it does show people walking in and out of a building, but it might have just been vacant and they just kind of walked in. I don't know.

   25. EBEddie Bravo15:18

       You know what's crazy? I was just in Japan, and you don't ever have to worry about any kind of crime in Japan.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       Isn't it wild? Japan's amazing.

   27. EBEddie Bravo15:27

       There's no crime. But, you know, it- it is. That is definitely a... And it's so clean. They clean everything. Uh, everybody's super nice, you know, everybody. But you can't have a gun. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Right.

   29. EBEddie Bravo15:39

       Yeah. They got everybody-

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Yeah.
6. 16:15 – 26:12

   K-1 reboot and the case for kickboxing/Muay Thai with small gloves

   1. EBEddie Bravo16:15

      And we do clown stuff. Yeah. But it... But... So Quintet decided to co-promote with K-1.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      Ooh.

   3. EBEddie Bravo16:22

      You didn't know this?

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:23

      No.

   5. EBEddie Bravo16:23

      Dude, dude, you're a kickboxing fanatic and you didn't know K-1 brought back the Heavyweight Absolute Tournament?

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:30

      I heard they were doing that, but I didn't know they did it.

   7. EBEddie Bravo16:33

      They brought it back.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:34

      Oh.

   9. EBEddie Bravo16:35

      And guess who they wanted to commentate?

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       You?

   11. EBEddie Bravo16:37

       (laughs) I'm like, "Why would I commentate a kickbo-" Like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       That's like me commentating on football.

   13. EBEddie Bravo16:42

       Exactly.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       (laughs)

   15. EBEddie Bravo16:44

       Exactly. Ex-... Same thing. And they asked me because they co-promoted and, and it was like in this arena where they had two stages, the K-1 stage and the Quintet stage, and they kind of merged together. And K-1 was during the day. It started, like, at noon. And then after K-1 was done, then it all shifted over here on the side and to the Quintet side. It's... That started, like, at, like, 6:00 or something. But they wanted me... They asked me if, if I wanted to commentate the Heavyweight Tournament. I'm like, "I know nothing about..." The only thing I know about kickboxing is the old school K-1, like Peter Aerts. I met him. He was there.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Yeah.

   17. EBEddie Bravo17:19

       He... Peter Aerts-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       Jerome LeBanner.

   19. EBEddie Bravo17:20

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       Ernesto Hoost.

   21. EBEddie Bravo17:21

       Yeah, Ray Sefooh and all those guys.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       Yeah.

   23. EBEddie Bravo17:23

       And Semmy Schilt.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       Yeah.

   25. EBEddie Bravo17:25

       The old... The old school K-1, the classic ones where dudes were getting shut off left and right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Left and right.

   27. EBEddie Bravo17:31

       And this one was... 'Cause apparently they hadn't done, uh, the Absolute Heavyweight Tournament, the, the 8-man one in a while. They've been sticking to K-1 Max, like lightweights and middleweights, and there's some bad motherfuckers. So I- I- I- I don't pay attention to kickboxer... Kickboxing also. I wouldn't even know what K-1 Max was. I learned all the shit while I was there. And so, um, they had an 8-man Absolute Tournament, all new guys, and dude, there was this fucking 6-foot-8 Chinese dude straight coming out with the CCP flag and everything, looking like Chinese Ivan Drago.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       What does he look like? I mean, what- what's his name?

   29. EBEddie Bravo18:10

       He fucked everybody up.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       Really?
7. 26:12 – 32:11

   Bare-knuckle resurgence: Masvidal’s promotion, why gloves change tactics, and who thrives

   1. EBEddie Bravo26:12

      What do you think of Bare Knuckle?

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:15

      Like a little nicotine puff.

   3. EBEddie Bravo26:16

      Um, I love it. I love what Jorge Masvidal's doing, that Bare Knuckle MMA fights. Haven't been there. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:22

      I love it.

   5. EBEddie Bravo26:23

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:23

      'Cause that's what I think MMA should have been all along.

   7. EBEddie Bravo26:25

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:26

      Why can you have bare elbows, why can you have bare knees, bare shins, a shin to the face is okay-

   9. EBEddie Bravo26:34

      Yeah. Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       ... but you have to protect your knuckles? The only thing that does is prevent cuts, and one thing it also does is protect your hands, because you can't really go off like you can with bare... Like, bare knuckle guys are more, th- th- they're more cautious about where they hit.

   11. EBEddie Bravo26:50

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:51

       They're more precise. They have to be more precise. They break their hands.

   13. EBEddie Bravo26:55

       I think on paper, bare knuckle is way better than, like, traditional boxing. You know, can you imagine? I mean, if you asked... If you did a poll, and you asked if, what would you rather watch? Um, uh, Floyd Mayweather versus Pacquiao 4 or whatever it is, bare knuckle or regular boxing? I bet a lot... I bet most people are gonna say bare knuckle.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       Well, a lot of people that go over to Bare Knuckle are surprised at, like, how little protection you have and how much it hurts.

   15. EBEddie Bravo27:24

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       Like, that's where Mike Perry fucking shines.

   17. EBEddie Bravo27:27

       How is he doing right now?

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:28

       Killing it.

   19. EBEddie Bravo27:29

       He's killing it?

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:30

       Killing it.

   21. EBEddie Bravo27:30

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:30

       Fucked up Luke Rockhold in his last fight, made him quit, knocked his teeth out.

   23. EBEddie Bravo27:34

       Damn, dude.

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:34

       Luke's like, "Enough." He's fucking everybody up because he's such an animal. Like, if you're tough and there's not a tougher human being alive than Mike Perry. He's like-

   25. EBEddie Bravo27:44

       Man.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:44

       ... uniquely suited for bare knuckle fighting 'cause he's just such a fucking savage. He's willing to kill or be killed, like legitimately. He's not... Had no fear. He goes in there, kill or be killed. And he's good, man. He knows how to fight bare knuckle. He's clever.

   27. EBEddie Bravo27:59

       Who do you think in the, that's currently in the UFC is probably gonna end up doing great in bare knuckle?

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:06

       That's a good question. Kr- Chris Camozzi just fought. He just fought that dude the Juggernaut, who's the, um, I believe the middleweight champion in Bare Knuckle FC. And, uh, the Juggernaut beat him. Um, it's, uh... The thing about it is, man, it's different. It's just different. When you're just getting knuckles in your eyeballs and knuckles in your face, it fucking hurts more. It's, it's more dangerous.

   29. EBEddie Bravo28:31

       Yeah, cuts you up way more.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:32

       You're losing teeth. You get hit with a knuckle right here, that tooth's gone, son.
8. 32:11 – 44:31

   Old-school MMA nostalgia: Igor Vovchanchyn highlights, no-cage formats, and Mark Kerr’s arc

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:11

      Could you imagine if somebody brought the UFC back old school? Like bare knuckle, old school, you could wear a gi, do whatever the fuck you want.

   2. EBEddie Bravo32:22

      16-man tournament.

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:23

      16-man tournament, no weight classes.

   4. EBEddie Bravo32:25

      Remember the Russian one that was 32 man?

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:27

      No.

   6. EBEddie Bravo32:28

      Dude, there was a Russian one and Igor Vovchanchin won that one.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:31

      Of course he did.

   8. EBEddie Bravo32:31

      Remember that shit?

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:32

      I love that guy.

   10. EBEddie Bravo32:32

       And he fought, he fought that, uh, that huge Brazilian, uh, they, they called him Ricardo Mora- Ri- Ric- Ricardo Morais, I think.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:41

       Ricardo Moraes, he was uh-

   12. EBEddie Bravo32:41

       Remember that guy? He's like six-

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       Carlson Gracie's guy.

   14. EBEddie Bravo32:44

       Yeah, he's like 6'8" giant.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:45

       Yeah. Giant.

   16. EBEddie Bravo32:46

       And he got to the finals against, uh, Igor Vovchanchin. And to be honest, I, maybe the Brazilian won and, (sighs) it's hard to-

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:56

       I don't remember what-

   18. EBEddie Bravo32:56

       Or the, you know what? It wasn't Igor Vovchanchin, it was a guy name Mikhail something. Goddamn it, it was so long ago. It was like ni-

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:02

       Igor Vovchanchin looked like (clears throat) he was supposed to be like six foot six, but they cut his arms off here.

   20. EBEddie Bravo33:10

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       And put a fist there.

   22. EBEddie Bravo33:12

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:12

       Like his forearms were so thick, remember how thick that dude was?

   24. EBEddie Bravo33:16

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       He was so thick.

   26. EBEddie Bravo33:18

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:18

       And he would fuck people up.

   28. EBEddie Bravo33:19

       His legs, oak tree legs.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:21

       Who was that Brazilian guy that he knocked out cold?

   30. EBEddie Bravo33:25

       Francisco Bueno.
9. 44:31 – 54:17

   Rules and regulation rabbit hole: grounded knees, 12–6 elbows, Vaseline/greasing, and equipment fixes

   1. JRJoe Rogan44:31

      What do you think about the idea of starting every round in the same position where you ended the last round? I'm not opposed to that. I'm not opposed to that at all. Like, I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up. That was it. Oh, that was it right there. That was it. Can you rewind that one real quick? Let's see the final shots. His knee's to the ground. Knees on the ground. That's another thing that I b- I believe in. I don't think you should be able to turtle. Oh yeah, it was dumb. I don't think you should be able to turtle. Yeah. And not get kneed in the head. Yeah. Because that's a legitimate technique. If you can knee a guy standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? Totally. Especially if he's in the turtle. If he's like, uh, h- just hanging onto something, you're hanging onto one knee, you got a knee free, and his head's right there, but that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you- Can you- ... why can't you knee him in the head? Can, can you do that in game bread? Do you know? I don't think so. I think it's unified rules, it's just bare knuckle. I, I believe- That's not, that's not unified rules though. That, that sounds like they would just, I mean they- Bare knuckle, right. Yeah, that's like-

   2. NANarrator45:25

      It seems like there was a controversy of some kind after because he was complaining in the hallway.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Oh.

   4. NANarrator45:30

      And then they're shown some rep- I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      Yeah, he got hit in like the back of the head or something. What, the, the top of the head?

   6. NANarrator45:36

      I'm not sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:37

      Is that not legal? Did they have like... What is the controversy?

   8. NANarrator45:41

      They had a hearing about it, it looks like.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:42

      Interesting.

   10. NANarrator45:43

       I could go close caption and read it, but...

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Oh.

   12. NANarrator45:46

       This is other parts of the thing, I think.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       And then how about- Interesting. ... uh, Mark Coleman, in the, the heavyweight Grand Prix, he, I think he felt, uh, he fought Igor Vovchanchine in the final. Did he? And he kn- I think he, he- He fucked him up with knees. ... from side contr- from north south. Yes. I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vovchanchine, that was in the finals of- I think you're right. ... of the Grand Prix. Uh, now I remember. He won the Grand Prix, right? Mark Coleman did. Yeah. He was the champ. Yeah. I think the knees to the ground i- o- one, it's a no-brainer. That's a no-brainer. If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face and kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head? You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head? It would end so many more fights. So many more fights. How many times has a guy, a guy sprawls and the guy's in a turtle, and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head, but you can't do it? Yeah. I think that should be legal. You know what they're gonna bring back? 12 to 6 elbows. From where? From standing in the guard, anywhere. 12 to 6 elbow's illegal still. T- which is the dumbest thing in the world. Are, are illegal? Il- uh, did I say legal? Illegal. In the mount. Like if I'm mounted- Right. Right. ... you can't go like this. You can't go 12, 6. Yeah. Which doesn't make any sense. But from full guard, you can. You can- If I was on my back in full guard, you could- ... because it's going 6, 12. Yes. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Yes. Yes. But standing, you can't do it. So like if you're, you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12 to 6 elbow, that's illegal. That's illegal. And they're gonna change that? They're gonna change that. Who's behind that? Nevitsky talked to me about it. And he's the- He said, "I know that this is what, something that you complain about all the time, and we think we're gonna be able to get rid of that." I'm like, "Oh, thank God." Yeah. It's the dumbest one. Because it's not even a more powerful elbow. Yeah. It's just they saw... It all came from, Big John McCarthy told me this, that in the early days of MMA, they would bring this to the athletic commissions and they said, "You can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that." You can't- And ice. And ice. (laughs) Yeah. They're like, "You can't break bricks. Like you could kill somebody if you do that." So they go, "Okay, no, no elbow like that." Elbow has to come at an angle. So it can come from, you know, it can't come from 12 to 6, but it can come, it can go 1 to 7 as long... Which is the dumbest shit- Yeah. ... of all time. Yeah. Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that. The hardest elbow is this one. This is the hardest elbow, in my opinion. Yeah. I believe. I mean, at least it, uh, as far as I can throw it- Because you, you're throwing it like, uh- Like a punch. Yeah. And I'm getting my weight into it. If I'm in a ground and pound position, like I've, I've done ground and pound work on a, you know, when you down, get a heavy weight down, uh, a heavy bag down, rather, and I'm trying to see like what I can hit the hardest with, you can hit hard like that, but I can hit them way harder like that. Fucking boom! You can just gen- it's so much more torque. You got all this snap, and it's also an, a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that. It does it all the time. This is unnatural, I think. Yeah. I mean, you could develop it, but it's just a better, it's a better option to have. You wanna be able to have that option to throw that... 'Cause a lot of, if guys are doing this and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking you should be able to do it.

   14. EBEddie Bravo49:00

       Yeah. I mean, I, I like, um, what Chatri's doing with one, allowing, you know, knees, knees on the ground, gotta lo- allow that. I mean-

   15. JRJoe Rogan49:10

       Yeah, it's like soccer kicks.

   16. EBEddie Bravo49:13

       I think there was... I'm not sure. I think maybe they, like, you can't stomp on their head anymore.

   17. JRJoe Rogan49:20

       (laughs)

   18. EBEddie Bravo49:21

       (laughs) I think, like, I think, like, if you have, if you're in a cage and the back of your head is...

   19. NANarrator49:27

       This is from 2021 when they made rules.

   20. JRJoe Rogan49:30

       Okay. Okay. Uh, grounded. Athletes are considered grounded when they have any weight-bearing part of their body other than the sole... What is this from? What, what rules?

   21. NANarrator49:39

       Uh, this is when Colorado approved new rules-

   22. JRJoe Rogan49:41

       Colorado.

   23. NANarrator49:43

       ... for a championship.

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:43

       For one. Okay. This, this is just for Colorado, though. All hand strikes, including punches, forearms, and elbows to the head, body and le- all elbows? Interesting. So that means Colorado said 12 to six elbows legal?

   25. NANarrator49:56

       Uh, so that's where I got this from. There was an article from this year that said when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were gonna allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent, the 12 to six elbow data was in there.

   26. JRJoe Rogan50:06

       Look, it says, "Kneeing to the head of a grounded opponent is legal."

   27. NANarrator50:09

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan50:10

       This is Colorado?

   29. NANarrator50:11

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan50:12

       Wow. Why can't the UFC do that? Go back to that, please.
10. 54:17 – 1:00:25

    Fluoride, teeth, and lifestyle tangents: Invisalign, beards, and remembering Evan Tanner

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:17

       Maybe. You know what it'd be like? Like, you know how, like, that... I don't even know if this is real. But you know how when people pee in the pool and they have something that shows the pee?

    2. EBEddie Bravo54:25

       Totally.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:25

       And you can see it all blue?

    4. EBEddie Bravo54:26

       Yeah. Is that real? Oh, that's way real.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:28

       Is it?

    6. EBEddie Bravo54:28

       Hell yeah. That's old, old shit.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:30

       I thought that was just, like, some shit from, from movies.

    8. NANarrator54:33

       I just read about it, too. I thought it was a rumor to fuck with kids. I don't know if it's real.

    9. EBEddie Bravo54:35

       Yeah. No, no, no, no.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:36

        Find out if it's real. (laughs)

    11. NANarrator54:37

        No, no. What would it be called? What do you think it'd be called?

    12. EBEddie Bravo54:38

        There's some chemical in the-

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:39

        Um, is there a chemical you could put to show when you're peeing in a pool?

    14. NANarrator54:43

        Chemical.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:44

        Because, uh, there was a video that I saw that looked really fake. It was a bunch of girls that were in a pool together, and then one girl, like, you see all this pee coming out, like, this blue s-... Everyone's like, "Oh my God, you dirty bitch." And, like, they run away from her because she's peeing in the pool.

    16. EBEddie Bravo54:59

        Yeah.

    17. NANarrator54:59

        That's for views.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:01

        That's for views. Uh, I don't know if it's real.

    19. EBEddie Bravo55:03

        No, no, no, it's real. I've heard about that. You put a chemical in the pool, and when you pee-

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:06

        One of those?

    21. EBEddie Bravo55:07

        ... it turns, it turns blue.

    22. NANarrator55:09

        Urine, urine indicator dye is a mythical substance-

    23. EBEddie Bravo55:11

        What?

    24. NANarrator55:11

        ... that is supposed to be able to react with urine and form a colored cloud in a swimming pool or hot tub.

    25. EBEddie Bravo55:16

        It's mythical?

    26. NANarrator55:16

        ... dust indicating the location of people who are urinating on-

    27. EBEddie Bravo55:19

        Oh, my God. I thought it was real.

    28. NANarrator55:20

        I did too.

    29. EBEddie Bravo55:20

        You hit that light?

    30. NANarrator55:21

        Up until now, a couple weeks ago.
11. 1:00:25 – 1:11:41

    Geopolitics and ‘ideological subversion’: Russia, Putin longevity, and elite control narratives

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Bro, you been paying attention to Geoff Monson?

    2. EBEddie Bravo1:00:27

       What happened?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Geoff Monson lives in Russia, speaks perfect Russian. Go to Geoff Monson's Instagram. I think it's Snowman, Snowman Monson. I forget what it is. He's a full-on Russian. He lives in Russia. He supports Mother Russia. He's got a fucking CCP ... He's got, like, a, a, a hammer and sickle tattoo. He's all in.

    4. EBEddie Bravo1:00:53

       Interesting.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       He just ... This is Geoff Monson, man. He's all ... He's fucking Russian now. He defected. He's a Russian citizen. See if you can go to a video where he's talking in Russian, because there's a lot on his Instagram where he's disc- ... He's talking in Russian. See if you can find one of the ... There it goes. Play that.

    6. NANarrator1:01:13

       (Russian)

    7. EBEddie Bravo1:01:20

       I got fas- fascism in there.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       How wild is that?

    9. EBEddie Bravo1:01:29

       I don't know what the hell he said.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

        I don't know. I hope we didn't say, let him say anything horrible.

    11. EBEddie Bravo1:01:34

        Is Russia-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

        (laughs)

    13. EBEddie Bravo1:01:35

        S- is Russia considered communist still?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

        Yeah.

    15. EBEddie Bravo1:01:38

        Still?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

        I mean, Russia is.

    17. EBEddie Bravo1:01:40

        Don't they, don't they, don't, 'cause wait-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

        It's a dictatorship.

    19. EBEddie Bravo1:01:42

        So, wait, wait, the Soviet Union-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

        Well, actually, no. Let me tell you that, let me tell you that right. I'm wrong. No, they have elections.

    21. EBEddie Bravo1:01:49

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

        (laughs)

    23. EBEddie Bravo1:01:51

        But man, the whole, the wh-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

        But if you, if you want to run against Putin, bro...

    25. EBEddie Bravo1:01:55

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:56

        Good luck.

    27. EBEddie Bravo1:01:56

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

        Good luck.

    29. EBEddie Bravo1:01:57

        (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

        Good luck with all that. You ain't got much time left.
12. 1:11:41 – 1:18:24

    California governance debate: homelessness cleanup, policing, taxes, and why Joe left LA

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:11:41

       He's trying to figure out how to remove these homeless encampments in California, but there's laws against it. And there's laws that prevent you from pushing those people out and removing homes.

    2. EBEddie Bravo1:11:50

       I will say this though, I will say this, people talk a lot of shit. I mean, I'm in California for the weather. I like the weather, man. The weather's a-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:11:57

       The weather's amazing.

    4. EBEddie Bravo1:11:58

       ... the weather's amazing, dude. We've had like probably, uh, 14 days over 100 degrees. And y'alls out here and in Florida, you guys are like six months of just death. You know what I mean?

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:12:09

       Bro, I can tell.

    6. EBEddie Bravo1:12:10

       And don't say you like it because-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:12:11

       I like it.

    8. EBEddie Bravo1:12:11

       ... if you like it, turn your air conditioner on-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:12:13

       (laughs)

    10. EBEddie Bravo1:12:13

        ... and tell them how much you like it. Everybody says they like it, eh, as long as they're in air conditioned, uh, facilities.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:12:18

        Right, but that's how California is too. When it's 100 degrees outside in California and you wanna be-

    12. EBEddie Bravo1:12:22

        But, but no, I'm talking about the d- b- no, no, the amount of days per year.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:12:24

        That's true.

    14. EBEddie Bravo1:12:25

        Is there's so few-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:12:25

        It's way more, it's way hotter here for longer.

    16. EBEddie Bravo1:12:27

        And, and, um, I almost moved to Florida, I almost did, I almost went to Tampa. Um, thank God I didn't, I'm glad I waited it out. But, um, all the, during the height of, of all the BS, man, it was so scary on the 101, there were, the homeless just, they were on the freeway.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:12:45

        Everywhere. Everywhere.

    18. EBEddie Bravo1:12:45

        So if you're in rush hour on the 101, it's like Mad Max, dog.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:12:50

        Yeah.

    20. EBEddie Bravo1:12:50

        It was fucking scary. You're like, you're just sitting there and there's all these people around you just living encamped out on the freeway.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:12:57

        Bro, if they just got rid of that, if they just eliminated the homeless encampments, find shelter for these people, get them counseling, that's A, that's number one.

    22. EBEddie Bravo1:13:07

        But, but, but they did clean all that up. They're not on the freeways no more.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:13:11

        Not on the freeways.

    24. EBEddie Bravo1:13:11

        They, they cleaned-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:13:12

        But they still, if you go to Venice, it's a disaster.

    26. EBEddie Bravo1:13:14

        Yeah, but it's not-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:13:15

        You go to Santa Monica, it's a disaster.

    28. EBEddie Bravo1:13:16

        ... they, they have cleaned it up a little bit. I can't deny it. I see it.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:13:19

        Okay. They should clean it up, clean it up.

    30. EBEddie Bravo1:13:21

        Yeah. Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:41:01