Joe Rogan Experience #2042 - Joe List

1. 0:00 – 2:51

   Backstage at the Mothership: cigars, green room perks, and keeping comics in check

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      (instrumental music) Wow. That was smooth, baby. Hey.

   5. JLJoe List0:17

      That's nice.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      What's up, Joe List? What's happening, baby?

   7. JLJoe List0:19

      We're back, the two Joes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      We're back. What's going on, Joseph?

   9. JLJoe List0:21

      The smoking Joes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       That's us, dude. Last night was fun as fuck. It's been fun having you, two nights in a row.

   11. JLJoe List0:27

       Yeah. Thank... Three nights. I was there-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Yeah.

   13. JLJoe List0:29

       ... uh, for, uh... Well, I don't know if I'm allowed to say.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       That's right, Monday.

   15. JLJoe List0:31

       Yeah, I was there Monday.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah.

   17. JLJoe List0:32

       But, um, yeah, it's been awesome. I, I mean, obviously everyone tells you, everyone says it. It's one of those things. I wanted to be the guy that was like, "No, no, it's not so great."

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs)

   19. JLJoe List0:41

       But, uh, no, it's fucking awesome.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       No, he did it right.

   21. JLJoe List0:44

       What an atmosphere.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Yeah.

   23. JLJoe List0:45

       Great green room. I mean, it's the only green room you can smoke cigars in.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Hmm.

   25. JLJoe List0:49

       That's not true, there's some. I was just in Nashville at Zanies, and the manager was very nice, and he was like, "You can smoke a cigar if you want."

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Oh yeah, Zanies is great.

   27. JLJoe List0:56

       But I was like, I don't think I'm doing smoke a cigar in the green room numbers.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Hmm.

   29. JLJoe List1:01

       You know what I mean? I'm like, you gotta add a couple of shows before you're lighting a fucking (laughs) stick in the green room, I think.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       I think when we were in England, they told us that if you smoke inside, it's like a severe fine, like something like really crazy. So you can't even smoke in the green room in England if you do like shows.
2. 2:51 – 4:11

   Coke cautionary tales, anxiety, and why the heart is terrifying

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      Most of it was coke, was what I... When, when someone was like an off the rails guy, like completely out of control, it was booze, but it was a lot of coke.

   2. JLJoe List2:59

      Right. Were you ever a coke guy?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      No.

   4. JLJoe List3:01

      No, me either.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      Yeah. That's... I once was.

   6. JLJoe List3:03

      I was too afraid of snorting a thing. And then no one ever said good things about coke to me. Until later, I heard it every once in a while, but mostly people were like, "Ah, don't do coke. It makes you crazy. Your heart's gonna explo-" Like, people didn't sell cocaine to me.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      (laughs) Well, it just didn't seem like the people that I saw doing coke were going anywhere. (laughs) It seemed like it was tripping up their life pretty bad.

   8. JLJoe List3:23

      Right, right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:24

      I, I was very fortunate that when I was in high school, my friend, uh, his cousin was selling it, and his cousin got addicted to it. And I watched this guy go from being like a normal guy to being this like person who just like hung out in his attic apartment and lost all this weight and just like... He just did coke and watched TV and sold coke, and... It's like he got bit by a vampire.

   10. JLJoe List3:44

       Yeah. Wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       You know?

   12. JLJoe List3:45

       I'm always afraid my heart is gonna explode even without doing coke.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       (laughs)

   14. JLJoe List3:48

       Like, I used to have like a... My heart will race. I'm, I'm just so paranoid about heart. Does, does heart shit ever fuck you up, like in mentally? The fact that your heart beats every second or whatever for 80 years, and if it stops, that's the end of it?

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       That's how it works, Joe List.

   16. JLJoe List4:04

       I know, but does that ever like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       (laughs)

   18. JLJoe List4:05

       ... trip you out a little bit? I'm not... I mean, I don't wanna sound like, "It's fucking crazy, man."

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Yeah. Um...

   20. JLJoe List4:09

       But I'm like, "That's nuts."

3. 4:11 – 5:18

   Pig-heart transplants and the near future of printed organs

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      It is nuts. Yeah. If it stops, you're dead. And if you get a transplant, it's a motherfucker. They're trying to do pig transplants now. They did it on this one guy, and, uh... One person, I don't, I don't know if it was a guy or a gal or a non-binary folk, like a fisher folk. But they, they did it, and then the person stayed alive for a short amount of time. I think it was like a couple of weeks.

   2. JLJoe List4:35

      So they just jammed a pig heart in there?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      It's a modified pig heart-

   4. JLJoe List4:38

      Okay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      ... somehow or another. Pig parts and human parts apparently are like super similar-

   6. JLJoe List4:43

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      ... in some way.

   8. JLJoe List4:44

      I've fucked a few pigs. Hello, folks.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      Hey, you son of a gun.

   10. JLJoe List4:49

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       What does it say here? Um, how long did the man with a pig heart live? He lived for 61 days.

   12. JLJoe List4:55

       Hey, that's not bad.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       That's not bad.

   14. JLJoe List4:57

       Good run.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       Research has been working on the new pig to human transplantation t- technique for over 30 years. If successful, harveting he- harvesting hearts from genetically modified pigs whose genes have been altered so they could be safely transplanted to humans may one day be a reality. Wow. I think on the way to that, though, I bet they're gonna like 3D print hearts.

4. 5:18 – 7:35

   Genetic upgrades, “real-life cosplay,” and how humans would overdo it

   1. JLJoe List5:18

      Yeah, I think so. I think, uh, you know, as scary as AI is, I think all our problems are over, dude. We're gonna be making hearts and brains and all kinds of shit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:27

      We're gonna be connected to the matrix, eating steak-

   3. JLJoe List5:29

      I'm gonna be-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:29

      ... being an important person-

   5. JLJoe List5:31

      I'm gonna have-

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:31

      ... like Joey Pants.

   7. JLJoe List5:32

      Yeah. Oh, we're gonna be great. I'm gonna have perfect eyesight and a strong jaw line by the end of the year, I think.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:37

      You're not gonna stop there. You're gonna look like He-Man.

   9. JLJoe List5:40

      I'm gonna go bi... With a fucking big-

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:42

       Yeah.

   11. JLJoe List5:42

       ... chest and cock.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:42

       You're gonna go Superman. You're gonna grow the Hulk.

   13. JLJoe List5:46

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Why wouldn't you? What do you want to be a fucking human when you could be a superhero? If you can genetically alter yourself to make yourself more like masculine and thick and bigger and stronger, why would you stop at three when you can go to 26?

   15. JLJoe List6:00

       Right. But I don't think I could be more masculine. But I do feel like I would like, yeah, some more-... girth and really-

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       But if, if that, if that could be done genetically though, where would you stop? That's the question.

   17. JLJoe List6:12

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       People would get ridiculous. It's like when people don't e- I mean, I'm sure you've seen those, uh, Instagram videos of people with fake butts walking on the beach.

   19. JLJoe List6:20

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Where they just went so far. It's like, "What? This is cra- You're gonna die. That stuff can't be good for you." Like, "What is that?"

   21. JLJoe List6:27

       Yeah, I see it all the time. It just, you just look imbalanced. It doesn't look good.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       It looks insane. It looks insane. It's an insane look. But my point is, like, if they can do that with genetics, if we- it ever gets to a point where the mold of what we think of as the human physique has been completely thrown out the window, 'cause now we're gonna alter it from its very core to be a completely different structure, it'll just change what a person looks like. People are gonna look, be giants. They're gonna be dragons. (laughs) Like, it's like, it's, it's gonna be fucking real life cosplay.

   23. JLJoe List6:55

       Right. Do you think anybody will be like, "I'm sticking with this. I'm going long and thin." And, uh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Oh, there's gonna be a few people that pretend for a little while, but those are the same folks that say, "I don't even have email." Fuck you.

   25. JLJoe List7:06

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       You got email now, bitch.

   27. JLJoe List7:08

       (laughs) Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       You know?

   29. JLJoe List7:09

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       Like, in 2001, you might not have had email, you know, but I bet you have it now.
5. 7:35 – 11:38

   Email, surveillance, and how 9/11 (and later COVID) changed society

   1. JLJoe List7:35

      Well, I just had a friend who works for some business that was getting... I don't know all the detail, nor would I share them if I had 'em. But their company was getting sued or something, and then they just accessed his emails, and now they have 100% of his emails. So he was saying like, "Don't ever email a fucking joke like, 'Hey, I'm gonna kill that guy,'" or anything-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:55

      (laughs)

   3. JLJoe List7:55

      ... because they have it. Like, uh, you should do, we should do all phone communication. Maybe they're listening to the phones too. I don't know, but...

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:01

      Yeah. I'm sure they are. I think they didn't lock that down quick enough in, when, um, Edward Snowden exposed the, the NSA's gigantic sweeping surveillance sort of thing. And, uh, it's all under the guise of stopping terrorism, which by the way, you fucking never hear about anymore. What happened to terrorism?

   5. JLJoe List8:22

      We nailed it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      Climate change took the spot of terrorism.

   7. JLJoe List8:26

      Well, we stopped it. Patriot Act worked, baby.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:28

      It must have.

   9. JLJoe List8:29

      We di- (laughs) we did it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       It must have. Otherwise they'd be talking about it.

   11. JLJoe List8:32

       We done did it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       Do you remember when, after 9/11, there would be a threat level, like a code?

   13. JLJoe List8:37

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       Today's code is yellow.

   15. JLJoe List8:39

       It was like forest fires.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       Like, "Okay, we're good. Yellow's good."

   17. JLJoe List8:42

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       You know, I don't have to bring a bulletproof vest to Starbucks.

   19. JLJoe List8:46

       Yeah. It was scary as fuck. It was like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       Yeah.

   21. JLJoe List8:49

       ... they really got to us. But they nailed that terrorist attack. I mean, they knocked it out of the park, so...

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       It was certainly in t- It was like one of the all-time great terrorist attacks in terms of publicity.

   23. JLJoe List9:00

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       In terms of like how, how it affected the world. But-

   25. JLJoe List9:03

       It's gotta be number one, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       Yeah. The, the, but it's just a crazy thing that an action like that changes your rights forever. Changes everybody's rights forever.

   27. JLJoe List9:11

       But don't you think... Someone was just debating this somewhere. Doesn't it feel like COVID feels like it changed life more than 9/11? Like, 9/11-

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Yeah.

   29. JLJoe List9:20

       ... it's now like shoes, and you can't, at the airport, and you can't go to the gate.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       Right.
6. 11:38 – 14:53

   Algorithms, internet darkness, and baseball as a safer rabbit hole

   1. JLJoe List11:38

      Right. I'm blown away by... I've, I've... We were talking about this before, uh, you got here. Like, uh, I'm grateful I'm not into this, uh, dark web. My algorithm is all like baseball and Martin Scorsese. I didn't... Like, Duncan Trussell last night was talking about some crazy shit he sees on the internet, like children shooting each other. And then I was on Your Mom's House, and they were like showing videos of dicks being peeled back, and inserting cushions into dicks.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:03

      Cushions? (laughs)

   3. JLJoe List12:04

      Or what... (laughs) I don't know. Something where they put... Do you know what it is? They, they had some guy, had a big pad under his hand. They're putting... I don't even know what it is, like-... do you know what I'm talking about, James? Like, they were putting-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:17

      A pad under his hand?

   5. JLJoe List12:17

      Yeah. It's w- it's some, I don't know the terminology. Like, people put like horns on their dick. It's some kind of like product that makes bumps in you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:25

      Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, body, uh, it's, what is it? Body modification.

   7. JLJoe List12:28

      Yeah. One guy had like, it looked like a spider on his palm, or whatever the fuck this is. The top of your hand.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:34

      Oh, yeah. They do, they give themselves horns and shit.

   9. JLJoe List12:36

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       Yeah, bumps all over their head.

   11. JLJoe List12:38

       I don't know what made me think of that. Oh, just that those videos exist. I'm, I wasn't getting those. I feel so naïve. I'm like, "Did you see this Tommy Lasorda saying motherfucker video?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:47

       (laughs)

   13. JLJoe List12:47

       And other people are looking at dicks being altered.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       Yeah. If you can get in the wrong algorithm on Instagram, it can be quite disturbing. And I'm definitely in the wrong algorithm.

   15. JLJoe List12:58

       We gotta get you back. You gotta watch-

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       I don't, I don't think I can get back.

   17. JLJoe List13:01

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       I think they have me now, because if they send it my way, I'm gonna look at it, 'cause it's all, there's so many murder videos.

   19. JLJoe List13:07

       Well, I feel like, I just was saying this recently, like, it took me a long time to really get got by the algorithm. Like, I, I was kinda like, "I don't know what that is," but they finally figured me out and it's, like, behind the scenes baseball, sports shit. People talking shit in the locker room.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       Hmm. Dress me leg?

   21. JLJoe List13:24

       That, and like, and, and filmmakers breaking down f- you know-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Hmm.

   23. JLJoe List13:27

       ... Kubrick or whatever. You know Jomboy, you know that guy on YouTube?

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       No, I don't.

   25. JLJoe List13:31

       Oh, he's awesome.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       Yeah?

   27. JLJoe List13:32

       It's a great hole to go down. We were talking about it before. He lip reads all these baseball fights and argument. You know when the umpire and manager are fighting each other?

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       Uh-huh.

   29. JLJoe List13:40

       He's like a professional lip reader.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       Oh.
7. 14:53 – 19:15

   Self-defense hypotheticals: tires getting stolen, choking vs striking, and ‘shod foot’ law

   1. JLJoe List14:53

      I'm not really a call a guy stealing my tire a cocksucker kind of guy. I'm a big 911-

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:58

      Who would you call?

   3. JLJoe List14:58

      I'm, I'd be like, "911, this a guy."

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      You're just, you don't get your tire stolen.

   5. JLJoe List15:01

      Yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      You gotta, you gotta wait for hours.

   7. JLJoe List15:02

      Well, I'd call the police and, um, you know, see what happens.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Yeah.

   9. JLJoe List15:07

      I mean, it depends on what kind of guy it is.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       Right.

   11. JLJoe List15:09

       I might be able to fuck him up.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       What if it's Duncan?

   13. JLJoe List15:12

       Trussell?

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Yeah.

   15. JLJoe List15:13

       What does he have, a tire iron?

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       That's a good point.

   17. JLJoe List15:15

       'Cause that's a weapon.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       That's a good point.

   19. JLJoe List15:17

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Well, where is the tire iron positioned? 'Cause if the tire iron is positioned on the actual lug nut itself, you're at an advantage.

   21. JLJoe List15:27

       Right. I could probably get, take his back, as they say.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Yeah, you gotta smash him before he gets to that thing.

   23. JLJoe List15:32

       Now, do you, let me ask you this. If you see a guy, he's crouched down, he's fucking with your car and you're behind him. Are you going blunt force to the head or are you gonna take his back and choke him out?

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Depends on how big the guy is.

   25. JLJoe List15:44

       Hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Depends on the situation. You get, you hit someone with shoes on, it's really tricky legally.

   27. JLJoe List15:52

       Hit someone with shoes on?

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah.

   29. JLJoe List15:53

       What do you mean? Them or you?

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       You, you hit them with your shoes, it's kind of a weapon.
8. 19:15 – 23:25

   British vs American quirks: spelling wars, driving left, and Tesla’s missing stalks

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:15

      Well, that's, it's, what's weird that we have English words in England that are spelled different than the way they're spelled in America.

   2. JLJoe List19:23

      Yeah, there's still, you see, like, there's old, O-L-D-E.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:26

      Yeah.

   4. JLJoe List19:26

      Town with an E, and, uh, there's-

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:28

      Tyres with a Y.

   6. JLJoe List19:30

      Oh, I don't know that one. And then there's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      Colour with a U.

   8. JLJoe List19:32

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:33

      Couleur.

   10. JLJoe List19:34

       Flavour, uh, there's a few of those. Yeah, O-U.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       Yeah. But it's, like, the same language. Like, why are you guys fucking with the different words?

   12. JLJoe List19:41

       Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       And what are you doing on the left side of the road, bitch?

   14. JLJoe List19:45

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       We invented the car, get the fuck over on the other side.

   16. JLJoe List19:48

       I heard it was from, uh, jousting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       Yep.

   18. JLJoe List19:50

       Is that something?

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:51

       Yeah.

   20. JLJoe List19:51

       Does that make sense?

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       Yeah, it does, supposedly.

   22. JLJoe List19:54

       Have you ever driven on, out there?

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:56

       Uh, I have not. But-

   24. JLJoe List19:58

       I've done it a few times, it's a thrill.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       It, I would imagine it would be a little bit nerve-wracking to be on the wrong side of the road.

   26. JLJoe List20:03

       It is. I got great advice is that the driver's always in the middle of the road. That's really helpful. It's like you're, you're closer to the middle than the other end, which is the same here and there. You know what I mean?

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:16

       No.

   28. JLJoe List20:17

       Like, you're on the right side of the car, but the left side of the road in England.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JLJoe List20:22

       So, your, if you look out the window, the middle of the road is right there, the line is next to you.
9. 23:25 – 29:24

   Comedy club pilgrimage and how the Mothership was built (architect, layout, Louis C.K.’s notes)

   1. JLJoe List23:25

      Yeah, it was awesome. It was, it's so fun to run back and forth to the two rooms. And they're such different kinds of rooms.

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:31

      Oh, yeah, that little room is magic.

   3. JLJoe List23:33

      And you've become-

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:34

      They're both great.

   5. JLJoe List23:34

      ... like a comedy, um, like pilgrimage. I ran into, like, I... First of all, I felt like a fucking celebrity out in Austin from those shows. I bumped into two guys from Calgary that came just to see the room. Then I sat next to another guy at a restaurant that was from Montreal who came just to see the room. And then I met another guy who was from England just fucking walking around.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:54

      Yeah. I was fucking around with the crowd last night, and there was people from Australia, there were people from all over the place.

   7. JLJoe List24:00

      Yeah, it's a destination now.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:02

      It's wild.

   9. JLJoe List24:02

      Yeah. Comedy pilgrimage is people, they just wanna see the room.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:07

       It's fun. I hope more people do things like this other places.

   11. JLJoe List24:10

       Did you ever go on any, like, when you, before you started, like, "I gotta go see..." Or when you started, "I gotta go see fucking whoever"? Did you go on a road trip to go see a comic? Like a, make a comedy-

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:22

       Yeah.

   13. JLJoe List24:22

       ... nerd fan trip?

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:23

       Yeah, a couple of times. Um-... I mean, in the, in the early days, I went to see a bunch of comics, but Kinison, I went to see Kinison a couple times.

   15. JLJoe List24:31

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:32

       Yeah. It was like '80 s- '89, '88, '89. And the problem was it was like Kinison had already sort of deteriorated. So, it was kind of a bummer.

   17. JLJoe List24:45

       It's like we were talking about-

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       Yeah.

   19. JLJoe List24:46

       ... you can't go that hard and keep being productive, it feels like.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:49

       Yeah. It was pretty evident that it was not the same kind of insight-

   21. JLJoe List24:56

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:56

       ... that y- you had from his earlier work. His earlier work wasn't just wild, it was wild and like (laughs) that's a really good point.

   23. JLJoe List25:03

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:03

       You know? It was wild and, like, "Wow, this is, this is, like, great writing. This is, like, interesting subject matter." And you got this wild dude. And then the stuff about marriage was so funny. It was so like, obviously the guy had been in fucking terrible agony and heartbreak. It was so obvious that people had broken his heart.

   25. JLJoe List25:24

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       You know? And then, and you bought into it hook, line, and sinker. But from that special, from... So, he has his first thing, which is Louder Than Hell, which is a cassette, and it's really fucking good. It's hard to get. I got an album of it.

   27. JLJoe List25:39

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       Um, I think you can get it some places, but I think... I, I don't know. There was some controversy with it. It's, it's... There's a lot of, like, very homophobic stuff in there. But then (laughs) it goes from that to, um, the HBO special. (clears throat) And I think that... Have You Seen Me Lately, it's called. And, uh, the, the HBO special is fucking amazing. I mean, it's amazing. It's just so good. There's so many good bits in it. And then the one after that's not.

   29. JLJoe List26:08

       Hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:08

       It's just flat and just feels fake. It feels like he's a guy trying to imitate Sam Kinison.
10. 29:24 – 44:49

    Craft talk: recording sets, riff shows, and how crowd-work clips change audiences

    1. JLJoe List29:24

       No, you gotta do it. Now, do you still listen to sets? Do you record sets?

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:27

       Yes. I record all of them.

    3. JLJoe List29:28

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:28

       Yeah. I, I owe myself a few listens, though. I've been slacking off, especially the Bottom of the Barrel Listens. Those are the ones you really gotta listen to.

    5. JLJoe List29:36

       Yeah, that's a really fun show.

    6. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       Yeah.

    7. JLJoe List29:38

       I'm like, it makes me uncomfortable, which is why it's-

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:41

       Yeah.

    9. JLJoe List29:41

       ... fun to do. You, like, if the people don't know, I guess, you... The, the audience writes down shit and you just pull them out.

    10. JRJoe Rogan29:47

        Yeah. Yeah, you have a barrel and the audience writes down suggestions for, for topics, and then you just reach into the barrel, pull it out, and start riffing.

    11. JLJoe List29:55

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan29:55

        It's fun. It's fun.

    13. JLJoe List29:57

        It was super fun. Yeah, that's not, um... I don't (laughs) I don't do a lot of that, so it was fun to get in that spot.

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:02

        Yeah.

    15. JLJoe List30:02

        And, um, yeah, that was, that was great. That room fucking rules, the smaller room.

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:07

        Yeah, that's a honest little room. Yeah.

    17. JLJoe List30:10

        They were, uh, they were fucked up last night, the early show.

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:12

        Super intimate. It's a super intimate room.

    19. JLJoe List30:15

        Yeah. It was great. They were, uh, they were... It felt like a 1:00 AM spot last night. The-

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:20

        The late show?

    21. JLJoe List30:21

        No, it was the early one.

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:22

        Oh, really?

    23. JLJoe List30:22

        The early one. They were like-

    24. JRJoe Rogan30:23

        They were fucked up on the early show?

    25. JLJoe List30:23

        They were jacked up. Yeah, it was one of those ones where, like, you say something and then they kind of break into conversation a little bit.

    26. JRJoe Rogan30:29

        Oh, yeah.

    27. JLJoe List30:29

        And I'm like, "Are you all right? What are you guys..." And they're like, "Oh, no, we're good." Like they're...... I'm in the way.

    28. JRJoe Rogan30:33

        Oh.

    29. JLJoe List30:33

        Um, but they were fucking great, and it was really fun getting stuff out of them 'cause I, I... A room that small, if people are kinda chatting or chuckling, you can deal with them more. It's like when you're in a massive room and somebody's yelling or talking from the back, you can't really-

    30. JRJoe Rogan30:47

        Right.
11. 44:49 – 49:42

    Coffee, acquired tastes, hot soda experiments, and ‘boiling Pepsi’ memory holes

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:49

       I hate to do this, but I just got an IV before this, and I have to piss already.

    2. JLJoe List44:52

       Oh, piss.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:53

       Yeah.

    4. JLJoe List44:53

       What do I do? Do I just... (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:54

       We'll just, you can pee too or just hang out here.

    6. JLJoe List44:56

       Okay. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:56

       I'll be right back. We'll be right back.

    8. JLJoe List44:58

       No, I just feel like I'll be all fucking jacked up.

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:59

       Jacked fucking up. You drank ca- caffeine though, right? Some kind of caffeine?

    10. JLJoe List45:03

        Yeah, I drink... I'm a, I'm a green tea guy.

    11. JRJoe Rogan45:05

        Are you a coffee guy ever or just a green tea guy?

    12. JLJoe List45:07

        No, I've never been a coffee guy.

    13. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        Really? Just-

    14. JLJoe List45:09

        I've had, I had one cup of coffee in my life, and it was in Peru. I was on vacation in Peru, and we're in like this coffee field, and this guy was like, "People fly from all over the world to have this coffee." And I was like, "Well, I gotta have it. I'm in Peru." And I was like, "This is the worst thing I've ever drunk in my life."

    15. JRJoe Rogan45:24

        (laughs)

    16. JLJoe List45:24

        I'm just not a coffee guy. But as I got older, it smells very good, so maybe I would like it. But I like green tea and-

    17. JRJoe Rogan45:30

        Mm.

    18. JLJoe List45:31

        ... you know.

    19. JRJoe Rogan45:31

        Green tea's nice.

    20. JLJoe List45:32

        Very nice.

    21. JRJoe Rogan45:33

        Coffee is one of those weird things that people call an acquired taste, and I don't know why anybody would ever want to acquire a taste.

    22. JLJoe List45:41

        But didn't you find beer was like that? When you first had beer, were you like, "Nice"?

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:45

        No.

    24. JLJoe List45:45

        I was like, "This is fucking shit."

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:46

        I'm sure I didn't. When I, when I was a kid, I was probably like, "This is fucking gross."

    26. JLJoe List45:51

        That's how, that's how I felt.

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:52

        Yeah.

    28. JLJoe List45:52

        Like spit it out.

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:52

        You're only drinking it to get fucked up.

    30. JLJoe List45:54

        Yeah. But then don't you, didn't you acquire a taste for it? Like an IPA, you're like, "Ooh, this is delightful."
12. 49:42 – 57:07

    6th Street chaos, club safety, and the practical realities of policing

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:42

       It's an unusual place, man. Have you been there on the weekends?

    2. JLJoe List49:46

       Oh, yeah. I hate it.

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:47

       They close the street down and everybody just walks-

    4. JLJoe List49:49

       Yeah. No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:49

       ... back and forth.

    6. JLJoe List49:50

       It's the worst place on Earth to me.

    7. JRJoe Rogan49:52

       (laughs)

    8. JLJoe List49:52

       I mean, the club is great, but I, I'm not joking. We were talking about it before. I jog back to the hotel. It's like a block and a half.

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:58

       It's sketchy.

    10. JLJoe List49:59

        Yeah. And it's-

    11. JRJoe Rogan50:00

        But that's part of what I like about it.

    12. JLJoe List50:03

        It's, uh... Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan50:04

        Also gives us an opportunity to hire a lot of cops.

    14. JLJoe List50:07

        I love it.

    15. JRJoe Rogan50:08

        Yeah.

    16. JLJoe List50:08

        I love it.

    17. JRJoe Rogan50:08

        We have a lot of cops that work there. It's great.

    18. JLJoe List50:10

        I love it. You walk 30 feet away and there, you can see them, like, "Good luck. Take it..."

    19. JRJoe Rogan50:14

        (laughs)

    20. JLJoe List50:14

        One guy was like, "There's a lot of crackheads around." Like, "I know about the crackheads."

    21. JRJoe Rogan50:17

        Why don't you just get a car?

    22. JLJoe List50:18

        Because I'm staying, like, 150 yards away.

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        Yeah.

    24. JLJoe List50:21

        You can't get a lift.

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:22

        You need it. You need a lift.

    26. JLJoe List50:24

        I mean, I made it. I made it home.

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:25

        Well, tonight we'll drive. Oh, we're not coming tonight.

    28. JLJoe List50:27

        No, I'm off to Vegas.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        But next time I'll drive you.

    30. JLJoe List50:29

        All right. I appreciate that.
13. 57:07 – 1:04:49

    Dark Side of Oz: synchronicity, mysticism, and the ‘more than physical’ argument

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:07

       Yeah. You c- you cue up, uh, Pink Floyd-

    2. JLJoe List57:10

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:10

       ... and The Wizard of Oz.

    4. JLJoe List57:12

       Yes.

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:13

       Yeah.

    6. JLJoe List57:13

       Which, which is fun to do, by the way.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:14

       It's crazy that it works. Uh, Roger Waters said there's n- it's total coincidence.

    8. JLJoe List57:20

       Yeah. It's t- I mean, it seems coincidental, but it's fucking cool.

    9. JRJoe Rogan57:22

       But it, it's insane how good it is. Like, the, when you sync it up perfectly-

    10. JLJoe List57:27

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan57:27

        ... it's, it really does seem like it's a soundtrack to the movie.

    12. JLJoe List57:30

        It's a lot of fun. Great album, great film.

    13. JRJoe Rogan57:33

        But how does something like that happen, where the synchronicity is so perfect?

    14. JLJoe List57:38

        I don't know.

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:40

        What do you-

    16. JLJoe List57:40

        Why? Do you have a theory?

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:41

        I don't know.

    18. JLJoe List57:41

        Or do you think it's just worked out that way?

    19. JRJoe Rogan57:43

        I think there's more to the world than physical things. I really do. I just think we're skeptical of that because we can't measure it. I think there's more to the world, th- there's more connections in the world than we would like to imagine, 'cause I think they'd be overwhelming, but I think there's connections with your very mind. I think your mind and the world interact with each other in a way that changes the world and changes your mind. I think, I think sometimes there's, like, evidence of that in just these weird, unique ways, like two ideas converge together, and even though it's completely coincidental that Pink Floyd and The Wizard of Oz, you know, you do... Was it Dark Side of the Moon, right?

    20. JLJoe List58:33

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:33

        That they sync up absolutely perfectly, but maybe it's not.

    22. JLJoe List58:36

        But-

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:37

        Maybe it's the universe saying, "Look, look at this little, cute little Easter egg. Look at this cute little tidbit. We're showing you that this is not a logical universe. Like, there's some weird stuff to it, super weird stuff."

    24. JLJoe List58:50

        But doesn't some of it also feels like the confirmation bias, like you're told these go together, so you're watching, and they do feel like they go together, but some of it, you're like, "Oh, the lion and that sound," but you're kind of just-

    25. JRJoe Rogan59:02

        Listen, let's play it. We play dark side, uh, show, uh, a Dark Side of the Moon connected with Wizard of Oz. When you actually see, like, I used to think that too, like, "Oh, these hippies are trying to find fucking connections in everything." Fucking potheads, you know? Trying to be skeptical. And then I watched, and I was like, "Oh. Oh, my God. This is crazy."

    26. JLJoe List59:23

        I mean, I haven't done it since high school, but it was fun, and it's also interesting who the first person to do it was. I'm sure that information-

    27. JRJoe Rogan59:28

        Right.

    28. JLJoe List59:29

        ... is somewhere. I mean-

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:30

        But when you actually see it, the connection is insane. It's so good. It really does seem like that's what happened, like they made it for it.

    30. JLJoe List59:39

        Wizard of Oz rules. Great film.
14. 1:04:49 – 1:16:40

    Old Hollywood creepiness, fake babies, and why child fame warps people

    1. JLJoe List1:04:49

       So you have all those people, but Wizard of Oz is great and, uh, she was supposed to be like a 12-year-old. You know they were like tying her tits down and everything.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:59

       Jesus.

    3. JLJoe List1:05:00

       Yeah, it's crazy. She was supposed to be 12-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:02

       (laughs)

    5. JLJoe List1:05:02

       ... and they were taping her tits down, and evidently the, the little people were like, you know, harassing her and grabbing her pussy and stuff. (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:09

       Jesus Christ. (laughs)

    7. JLJoe List1:05:09

       Yeah, it's crazy stories.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:11

       Yo, people were horrible back then.

    9. JLJoe List1:05:12

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        Did you ever see, um, Shirley Temple? Like any of the old Shirley Temple stuff?

    11. JLJoe List1:05:18

        Just clips, I've never like sat and watched a Shirley Temple film.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:21

        It's bizarre.

    13. JLJoe List1:05:24

        Really? She was massive, right?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:25

        Yeah, she's massive, but here's what's bizarre. There's scenes where... I mean, she's a little girl-

    15. JLJoe List1:05:31

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:31

        ... and she's on an airplane with a bunch of men, and these men can't stop looking at her. She's sitting on their laps. What is that... Was that The Good Ship Lollipop that she was singing?

    17. NANarrator1:05:45

        (laughs) Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

        Where do you see this? And she was really young, you know. And this is what happened to her when she's... You know, I don't know how old she was.

    19. JLJoe List1:05:51

        Was she like eight or nine or like...

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:53

        That's a good question. I think younger than that when she first started.

    21. NANarrator1:05:56

        She looks really young.

    22. JLJoe List1:05:57

        So... Oh, she looks like she's four.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:59

        Oh, yeah.

    24. NANarrator1:05:59

        The orchestra will play our theme song. You know that song-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

        She's younger than I thought she was.

    26. NANarrator1:06:04

        Well, let's hear it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

        Watch this.

    28. NANarrator1:06:10

        Here comes Johnny Ray. (orchestra playing) I've thrown away my toys. Even my drum and train. I want to make some noise. With real-life aeroplanes. Some day I'm going to fly. I'll be a pilot too. And when I do. How would you like to be my crew?

    29. JLJoe List1:06:45

        Oh, boy.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:45

        Look at this.

Episode duration: 2:37:38