Joe Rogan Experience #2048 - Reggie Watts

Reggie Watts 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) I'll take that.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Yeah?

Narrator 0:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:14 I only drink a half of one though. You drink the whole one?

Reggie Watts 0:16 I drink the whole one, but I'm gonna try a half this time, just to see.

Joe Rogan 0:20 No.

Reggie Watts 0:20 'Cause, you know, it's weird, man. I have friends that are like, they will not... They're just like... I don't know what it is. Like, they, they, well, they can't take it 'cause... Well, some people do get nauseous on it, but I haven't, I've never, ever had that experience. It's really weird, like, all throughout my life, like, I've taken all kinds of things that people are like, "Oh, I throw up," or like Robitussin or something, like, drinking a whole thing of Robitussin. I throw up and I'm like, "I don't know why but I just, I don't have that reaction." It's weird.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 0:44 So I feel either lucky or I'm dumb. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Do you ever get seasick?

Reggie Watts 0:48 No.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Oh, okay.

Reggie Watts 0:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Do you throw up when you get sick? Do you ever throw up?

Reggie Watts 0:53 I try to avoid it at all times but I don't get sick that often.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 0:56 I get sick maybe once every four years or something.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Do you ever drink too much and then you throw up? You just downed the whole thing, didn't you?

Reggie Watts 1:03 No, I did like-

Joe Rogan 1:04 Three quarters?

Reggie Watts 1:05 No, I did ha-... Well-

Joe Rogan 1:06 I don't know why this is two portions.

Reggie Watts 1:09 I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:10 That's silly.

Reggie Watts 1:11 I-

Joe Rogan 1:11 'Cause how do, you can't even see through the glass.

Reggie Watts 1:12 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Like, how do I know where the half is?

Reggie Watts 1:14 I always have my flashlight, I'm just like, "Oh, let me check."

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yeah, that seems kind of silly.

Reggie Watts 1:18 Uh, I just, yeah, I'm trying half. That, and, 'cause, I gotta do that 'cause I'm just like, so like, "Just do it, just fucking do it," and every time I do it, I'm like, "Ah, man." Uh, uh, it feels really good but, like, I keep, I feel like I miss my opportunity to try a half, so this is my opportunity.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Kratom is a weird one.

Reggie Watts 1:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34 'Cause it's kind of an opiate, right?

Reggie Watts 1:36 It uses the, as far as I, I, the little I understand, it uses the opioid receptor but it's not technically an opiate.

Joe Rogan 1:43 There was a, a, a friend of mine was telling me that he takes, uh, kratom, uh, before he works out. I go, "How many do you take?"

Reggie Watts 1:50 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:51 And he goes, "I take 10." And I go, "Really?"

Reggie Watts 1:53 10 What?

Joe Rogan 1:54 He said 10 pills.

Reggie Watts 1:55 Oh. Oh, just pure kratom?

Joe Rogan 1:56 Yeah. And I'm, I don't know what the milligrams is.

Reggie Watts 1:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:59 I go, "10? I was taking two." So I tried 10, and I go, "Dude, you're getting high as fuck." I was, I was so high.

Reggie Watts 2:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:07 On 10, I was like, "Oh my God, this is a drug." But it's a weird drug where it doesn't affect your motor skills.

Reggie Watts 2:14 No, not really.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Like, I was, I was high but, uh, my coordination, it, I was like, nothing feels off.

Reggie Watts 2:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21 You know, like, when you're drunk, it's like, "I can do this," but everything's in-

Reggie Watts 2:26 No, you can't.

Joe Rogan 2:27 ... slow motion.

Reggie Watts 2:28 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:28 No, you can't. (laughs) But kratom was like high in some weird way.

Reggie Watts 2:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:33 But it was definitely intoxicating.

Reggie Watts 2:35 It's, it's an, it's an interesting one, especially w- you know, with Feel Free, you've got kava and kratom-

Joe Rogan 2:38 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 2:38 ... which does that, like, here's a mellowing anti-anxiety vibe and then here's like a euphoric energy thing in the center of it.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Mm.

Reggie Watts 2:45 And so it gives you that, like, that's why people feel so groovy on it because it's got those two. However, I do understand if people get sick on it, like they, they... I think some people just, it's too much for their brain or they just need to do, like, a third of a bottle or something.

Joe Rogan 2:59 We can't even keep them at the club 'cause Duncan just chugs them.

Reggie Watts 3:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 3:03 Oh my God, he's an animal.

Reggie Watts 3:04 The Trussie?

Joe Rogan 3:05 Oh, he doesn't, he doesn't play with those kratoms.

Reggie Watts 3:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:08 He throws them down.

Reggie Watts 3:09 I can only, I can only do... I, I, I reserve one, uh, b- one four times a week.

Joe Rogan 3:14 Oh.

Reggie Watts 3:14 Like, for at night. I use it at night because especially if I have a social engagement, if I have a lot of people to deal with, I take one of those, I'm just like, "Oh, really? Oh, where did you grow up? You grew up in France? That's interesting. Um, that pen, what does it mean to you?"

Joe Rogan 3:26 Right.

Reggie Watts 3:26 You know, I mean, like, I'm so hyper engaged, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Yeah. Isn't that interesting that there's actual things that can make you a better conversationalist?

Reggie Watts 3:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:36 There's things that you can take where you'll be, you know, you'll be better talking to people. You'll say different things than you would without those things.

Reggie Watts 3:44 I know. I know. I don't know, I think it has something to do with the, uh, I think, like, certain things re- remove the editing aspect and you're just more fluid. Like, I remember a friend of mine, she had, like, this... I don't know if you know people like this but they, they analyze everything that they're thinking, like it's a, like a, a compulsion. So, like, my friend, she's amazing musician but every time she would speak, she'd be like, "Well, I'd like to... I'm not sure if I... I, I should... But I, you know, I, I would like to... But I..." A lot of this, like, looped kind of thing.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 4:12 And, and selfana- but, like, the analysis loop is so clo- cl- so small that I'm like-

Joe Rogan 4:18 Mm.

Reggie Watts 4:18 ... you know, I'm like, "I wish I could help." But then one night, I can... She was nervous about taking ketamine that... And I gave her just a little bit of ketamine.

Joe Rogan 4:25 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 4:25 And finally she was like, "Okay, I'll try it out, I'll tr- try." And she's like, "I don't know. Should I, I, I th- maybe is it too much?" And then, and I was like, "Trust me, just, just do this amount. I'm really good at dosing." And she took it and I progressively saw her go from, "I don't know what's going... I, yeah, so, um, yeah, and you know, I was just kind of wondering, my career is interesting but I have a lot of fear based ar-" And she was just calm, relaxed, and completely fluid, and I let her go for a while and then I said, "Did you notice that you haven't stopped yourself once, like, in the last 10 minutes?"

Joe Rogan 4:54 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 4:54 She was like, "Oh my God, you're right," and I was like, "Yeah. Like, if you notice that when you're on it, it's possible you could carry that over into your functioning everyday life," but-

Joe Rogan 5:02 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 5:02 ... I don't know. It was, it was a cool, it was cool to see that transformation.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Yeah, wonder if that's possible without the ketamine.

Reggie Watts 5:09 I think of course it is. But the ketamine just puts you immediately in a spot where you're, you're no longer emotionally connected to your observational self. You're just in an observational state. So it's, it's... For me, I notice that I'm very clear. Even though I'm a, I- I think of myself as a pretty good communicator, sometimes when I'm on ketamine, the thoughts are just flowing in a way that I'm actually watching them. It's the same feeling when I'm improvising and it's going really well, like I'm with a bunch of cats and we're, like, jamming or whatever. There'll be this weird thing where I'm suddenly, I'm like, I'm just li-... It's almost like I'm standing next to myself going like-

Joe Rogan 5:41 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 5:41 ... "Hey, that's pretty good. Oh wait, uh," and then, and then I'm-

Joe Rogan 5:44 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 5:44 ... and then I'm playing again, and it kind of puts me in that kind of a state. And I don't know, there's something about it. Uh, I- I'm really interested in ketamine, like doing more research with it too, like FMRI's, like, you know, real-time FMRI and mapping regions of the brain when you're improvising and things like that. There's been a little bit of that but I want to do it myself just to see.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Wasn't it originally devised as an animal tranquilizer?

Reggie Watts 6:04 ... yeah, it was an anesthetic as far as I know. I think-

Joe Rogan 6:06 Like cats or something.

Reggie Watts 6:08 Yeah. It was like, well, horses... Like large a- uh, large mammals that can do a lot of damage. (laughs) I think it was used for them to just ca- as an anti-anxiety, and then it's an anesthetic. So I know a friend of mine, he was... Or a friend of a friend, he was skateboarding, shoulder went out of place, went to a hospital, they shot him with ketamine, and then put his shoulder back in.

Joe Rogan 6:27 I think they use that in medic kits overseas.

Reggie Watts 6:32 Oh, that's probably right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:33 I think they do, if they have to do like, uh, in the field surgery-

Reggie Watts 6:38 (inhales deeply) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:38 ... if something happens on the battlefield.

Reggie Watts 6:40 Well, I know in Vietnam, all the, the burn victims from like napalm and stuff like that, um, they used a mixture of opiates and ketamine.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Huh.

Reggie Watts 6:48 Because the dissociative takes you out of your body, so you're not related to the pain in your body, and then the opiates obviously suppress pain at the same time.

Joe Rogan 6:56 (exhales deeply)

Reggie Watts 6:57 Crazy, right?

Joe Rogan 6:57 Pharmacology.

Reggie Watts 6:58 I know.

Joe Rogan 6:59 From Reggie Watts and Joe Rogan.

Reggie Watts 7:00 Hey. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:01 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 7:01 Everyone's like-

Joe Rogan 7:02 We're not giving advice.

Reggie Watts 7:03 There's all these doctors going like, "That's not true. It was actually... " And, and like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 7:06 Everything you're saying-

Reggie Watts 7:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:07 ... is dangerous.

Reggie Watts 7:08 I'm trying. I'm trying. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:11 Everything you're saying is misinformation.

Reggie Watts 7:13 It's, it's all of us different... I mean, it's like, it's like sometimes it's just what you understand at the time. Oh, there it is. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:18 There it goes. Ketamine was found of many the same a- anesthetic and analgesic properties as PCP.

Reggie Watts 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 I think it's very close to PCP, like m- (stutters) molecularly.

Reggie Watts 7:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:28 But consistently produced fewer adverse side effects. Following this initial research, ketamine was characterized as a dissociative anesthetic.

Reggie Watts 7:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 7:37 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 7:37 Yep. Yeah. And when I was growing up, we would drink Robitussin, which had dextromethorphan in it, which is also a dissociative.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Mm.

Reggie Watts 7:44 And so it's, it's a kind of a weirder version of it, but, um, I... When I first took ketamine, I was like, "Why does this feel familiar?"

Joe Rogan 7:52 It's Robitussin.

Reggie Watts 7:53 Oh, dextromethorphan.

Joe Rogan 7:55 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 7:55 Interesting. Although, dextromethorphan feels like a l- like a, like a f-... Like an Instagram filter over the dissociative experience, whereas ketamine feels clean, a little bit cleaner.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Oh, interesting.

Reggie Watts 8:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Oh. I remember when NyQuil had codeine in it. And one time, I was sick.

Reggie Watts 8:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:11 This is back in the old days.

Reggie Watts 8:12 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:12 And I, (laughs) I took NyQuil and I was just... I remember lying in bed feeling so wonderful.

Reggie Watts 8:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:19 Even though I was sick, I was like, "This is amazing."

Reggie Watts 8:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:22 I don't think I'd ever taken it before. And I don't think this formula's the same. I think I'm talking like-

Reggie Watts 8:28 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 8:28 ... the '90s, when it was like-

Reggie Watts 8:29 Yeah. Now, I remember being in a convertible in the '80s and a friend of mine sitting, like, you know, on, on the deck where the, you know, the, the top is down or whatever. He's sitting on the deck and he just had a bottle of codeine.

Joe Rogan 8:40 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 8:41 And he was just like, take sips, sips of it, and I was like... I wanted to try it, but I was like... I, I don't know, I just didn't, but it was funny.

Joe Rogan 8:48 Was the car in motion?

Reggie Watts 8:49 It was in motion. We were cruising.

Joe Rogan 8:50 That's not a smart move.

Reggie Watts 8:51 No, I know it's not, but it's the '80s.

Joe Rogan 8:53 That's a codeine move too.

Reggie Watts 8:54 It's... I know, it's totally codeine. It's-

Joe Rogan 8:56 The '80s. (laughs)

Reggie Watts 8:56 It's like '80s everything. I remem- I remember in the '80s being in a Scout, like going all... Taking all the back road- roads from Great Falls to Lake Five in G- Glacier Park on the way there with like a half rack of beer and just like, you know, drinking beers (laughs) and cruising down the road and, and with like three, three friends and a bunch of bikes in the back. I mean, I don't know, the shit that we did back then was... You just can't do it anymore. I mean, you could, but-

Joe Rogan 9:22 You definitely can't if people are filming you with their phones.

Reggie Watts 9:24 No, that's true. Yeah. Y- uh, yeah, that was the missing link.

Joe Rogan 9:27 That's a big part of the world now. So many things are being filmed. This... There's good and bad of it, right? The good thing is like citizen journalism.

Reggie Watts 9:36 Sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:36 You know, like we know more about the horrors of war, like the wars that are happening right now. Do you remember like during... It was, uh, I think it was Desert Storm or it was the ne-... It was after... Whate- whatever 2020... Uh, the... 2001, after, uh, the 9/11 attacks, they weren't allowed to show bodies of troops coming home.

Reggie Watts 10:00 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:00 They weren't allowed to show coffins. Remember? Photographers were not allowed.

Reggie Watts 10:04 I remember something like that.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Yeah. Which is insane. And then now, here we are 22 years later, and you just get graphic cellphone footage from Ukraine.

Reggie Watts 10:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Now you're getting it from Palestine and Gaza.

Reggie Watts 10:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 10:20 It's just horrific graphic footage from phones.

Reggie Watts 10:24 That's... Uh, I mean, even back in the days, like, remember when ISIS was on the rampage, uh, you would still... You could still see videos online, on YouTube-

Joe Rogan 10:32 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 10:32 ... like before they took them down.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Right.

Reggie Watts 10:33 Like people were exposed to some pretty-

Joe Rogan 10:35 Beheading videos.

Reggie Watts 10:35 Yeah. Like-

Joe Rogan 10:36 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 10:36 ... I saw one of those and I was like, "I should have never s- seen that."

Joe Rogan 10:39 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 10:40 Should have never seen that. I can't, I can't get it out of my head.

Joe Rogan 10:42 No, I've seen quite a few of them, unfortunately.

Reggie Watts 10:44 Yeah. It's just like... (sighs) You know, I mean, it's like... I, I mean, on one hand, it's like the barbarism is, is, is a good thing to see, where you're like, "That, I never want to put myself in that situation."

Joe Rogan 10:54 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 10:54 Or I want to do everything I can to try to make our society not do that kind of shit. But at the same time, it's... It can desensitize and some people can kind of fetishize on it as well. So it's... I don't know. It's a, it's a twofer.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Yeah, it is. That is a thing with people. They do fantasize about things-

Reggie Watts 11:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:12 ... that they see. And they want it... I mean, you've heard that about serial killers. They, they study serial killer documentaries and shit before they actually go out and do it.

Reggie Watts 11:20 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. But, you know, humanity. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:23 Yeah. We're so weird.

Reggie Watts 11:25 I know we're weird.

Joe Rogan 11:26 We're so weird.

Reggie Watts 11:27 I know.

Joe Rogan 11:27 You know, this idea of eradicating all war. I mean, uh, (whoosh effect) I remember when I was a little boy, uh, I was living in San Francisco during the height of the Vietnam War, and the Vietnam War ended. And I remember as a boy thinking, "Oh, this is great. Now there's not gonna be any more wars. They figured it out. The war is bad."

Reggie Watts 11:45 Hmm. Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:48 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 11:48 They didn't.

Joe Rogan 11:49 They didn't.

Reggie Watts 11:49 They didn't. Because wars will end. That's the one thing, uh, about war. A war will end, but does, uh, another one... What's the next war that starts?

Joe Rogan 11:58 They're always sparking up. They're always sparking up somewhere.

Reggie Watts 12:01 I, I have this weird theory. Uh, well, it's... I don't know if it's a weird theory. But like... And it's a gross generalization, but I think like pretty much every conflict is a result of-... uh, capitalism.

Joe Rogan 12:16 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 12:17 In the sense that raw capitalism, like in its nascent form, is like, it's just a system of trade and so forth. But the way it's been wired, because it doesn't have human well-being involved in the equation, it's just about, "Can we make this graph go up?" Like, "We need more of these numbers," and it's just chasing-

Joe Rogan 12:39 Always.

Reggie Watts 12:39 ... infinite wealth, right?

Joe Rogan 12:40 Right.

Reggie Watts 12:40 It's like, um, wealth amassing but it, but ... So it has a value system, but human well-being's not in it. So eventually, over time, it's like, of course people are gonna game it. Very few people are gonna game it, and they're gonna acquire all the stuff. And they're just gonna be like, desensitized to the rest of the inequities and so forth. And then you're gonna cause all this animosity, and then there's gonna be a lot of people going like, "Well, I need to get my stuff back." And then you get all these opportunists that are using the disgruntalism and like using that to harm... It's like, that's my over-gross oversimplification. I'm sure I'll, I'll be corrected millions of times over. But whenever I see any of these conflicts or even a conflict in my own neighborhood or my neighbors arguing over, it's about a property line, or it's about, um, you didn't do this, or you didn't do that. It's this weird, uh, thought process that goes into I don't have enough, or I have all the stuff and I wanna keep the stuff, or I want more stuff, and then someone else kind of responding to that in some way. I'm not phrasing it as eloquently as I usually do on ketamine but, um, but that's kind of my ... (sighs) Whenever I see all of these things, I'm just like, "Ah, I have a feeling that it's probably maybe that." I, I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 13:52 The problem is the alternative is even more horrific.

Reggie Watts 13:56 What's the alternative?

Joe Rogan 13:57 Socialism.

Reggie Watts 13:58 Socialism. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 13:59 I don't know enough about that.

Joe Rogan 14:00 'Cause the only way that's enforced is by dictators. And then the dictators-

Reggie Watts 14:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:03 ... wind up doing what every human being in power does, which is control all the resources, control all the wealth, live in extravagant houses while everybody starves. Every single communist dictatorship is all run the same way. It's the only way to run them, 'cause the only way to enforce socialism is through violence.

Reggie Watts 14:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:21 The only way to take people's resources and evenly distribute it-

Reggie Watts 14:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:24 ... is to go in with guns.

Reggie Watts 14:26 But what about like, countries like Sweden and things like that? They have social, they ... Well, we have social s- we have socialist systems.

Joe Rogan 14:31 We should have social systems, yeah.

Reggie Watts 14:32 Yeah, social, socialist systems.

Joe Rogan 14:33 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 14:33 But you're talking about like full-on socialism.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Mm-hmm, full-on.

Reggie Watts 14:36 Yeah, I mean, I'm not ... You know, that's why here's something that's interesting. I really think within our lifetimes, if it hasn't happened already, governments are gonna start using AI to do, uh, low-level legislation. Um, and now I'm just like, I'm summarizing in a very op- optimistic way.

Joe Rogan 14:56 We've been talking about this a lot actually.

Reggie Watts 14:57 Oh, okay. Okay, good.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 14:58 So I got a friend of mine, Dr. Allen D. Thompson. Um, if you don't know about him, you should check him out. He's a, he's an AI expert researcher. He's an explainer. He has a thing called The Memo that comes out, I think, like every two weeks, something like that. But it gives you this, uh, really holistic State of the Union of AI, and he's hyper-optimistic and calls it human evolution, which I believe in that as well. If it's used well, uh, you get rid of the emotional factor, and you just have something that's looking to solve problems.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 15:29 And you know, and so I think like it can at least give you five solutions that are not emotionally based that are just addressed, that are supposed to kind of maximize the, uh, positive probable outcome. And I think we may see a human AI, uh, synergistic gover- low, at least low-level government implemen- implementation. Probably some country that's like can do that and not feel like they're betting the farm on it.

Joe Rogan 15:56 Yeah. And if they, if it goes well, then other people implement it.

Reggie Watts 15:58 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Yeah, I think so. We were, we were talking about a AI president.

Reggie Watts 16:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:04 And that you need a president that is immune to bias-

Reggie Watts 16:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:07 ... corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines, right? Like, how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment-

Reggie Watts 16:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:24 ... economics, social justice-

Reggie Watts 16:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:27 ... uh, infrastructure, um, immigration.

Reggie Watts 16:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Y- it's not possible.

Reggie Watts 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 How could one person really know the correct solutions to all those issues? Even if you're briefed ... Look, I can't imagine. I, all I do is run a podcast and do comedy and occasionally g- commentate on fights.

Reggie Watts 16:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:48 And all those three things take up so much of my fucking time.

Reggie Watts 16:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:52 My whole day today has been having conversations with people about replacement opponents because there's a UFC coming on in two weeks.

Reggie Watts 17:00 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 17:00 So I've been having all these conversations with experts and people that I know and commentators of who can fit this f- spot and who, who's ready and who's in shape and who's turning the fight down and ... How could anybody? That's not, that's so minor. That's a, my, my, uh, my role is so small. Like, I have so little to do, and yet it's, it takes up so much of my time. How could anyone manage all those things? They can't.

Reggie Watts 17:27 But AI could.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Yeah, totally.

Reggie Watts 17:29 And AI doesn't have a son that gets money from Burisma.

Joe Rogan 17:31 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 17:31 I know, I know. It's like the thing about, that I know.

Joe Rogan 17:35 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 17:35 Well, it's like, I mean if you look at like, there's, it's really hard. Like, I had, I had a term, I don't know if it exists, but I call it corporate, corporatocrats. And most people in government essentially are corporatocrats in, in the sense that the things that ... When I see people like vetoing things or not getting on board with certain things and you're like, "Well, that seems like that would be helpful, but you're choosing not to do that." It's like the influence of corporations on-

Joe Rogan 17:58 Yes.

Reggie Watts 17:59 ... even well-intentioned, you know, people that go into government, they're like, "I wanna make a difference. I wanna change."

Joe Rogan 18:03 Yep.

Reggie Watts 18:03 It just gets in there.

Joe Rogan 18:05 You gotta play ball.

Reggie Watts 18:05 It's so baked. It's baked in there.

Joe Rogan 18:07 It's baked in.

Reggie Watts 18:07 And so I don't know how you're gonna, you're gonna overcome that. The only thing I can think of is like, because my thing is like I'm not really political in the sense that I don't have a party. I'm pretty independent. I'm just like, I want to choose people that are ...... that are humble enough, that have enough humility to work with anybody that's, that wants to solve a problem, that they're-

Joe Rogan 18:30 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 18:30 ... that they're wanting to solve. And to solve, and to create solutions for the most amount of people possible, that's kind of, that's all I'm looking for. Because there is no excuse for any of us being... All the inequity we see in all of the, in all of this stuff is totally solvable if we were much more efficient with, uh, how, how... Well, how resources are utilized, how they're distributed and so forth. And what I mean by that is, like, some of my friends are like, "Well, if you do, like, universal basic income," which, which I think is something I'm kind of interested in. I think that that is interesting, if you can account for where that comes from in a way that doesn't upset people that have a lot of power and a lot of money, feel like, "That's threatening my whatever it is that I'm-"

Joe Rogan 19:13 Do you remember Bernie Sanders, uh, his idea?

Reggie Watts 19:16 Oh, no. What was that?

Joe Rogan 19:16 His idea that I thought was really fascinating when I talked to him, he said he's going to take a small fraction, less than one cent, for every speculation buy on the stock market.

Reggie Watts 19:28 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 19:29 And that would account for insane amount of money. And you could essentially, through that money, just through that money, provide free healthcare, free education, just, just through that. If we could, there's two things that we could do that could stop people from living a shit life. One of them is keep them from being saddled down by student debt. Student debt, student loan debt is fucking insane. Because you're taking these vulnerable young people, 17 years old, right out of high school, about to go to college, and they sign on for these fucking deals where they, they're gonna owe a, an insane amount of money over the next five, six years, and they could never get out of that debt. That is crazy.

Reggie Watts 20:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:13 It's crazy what we do to people. So then you force-

Reggie Watts 20:15 Hm.

Joe Rogan 20:15 ... them into jobs that perhaps they don't want to do, and maybe there's things that they would have thought of pursuing that they can't pursue because they have a nut that they have to pay every month, 'cause they have student loan debts. And it's a big nut. If you're in medical school, it's enormous. It's an enormous nut.

Reggie Watts 20:32 It's, it's so insane because the way I look at it is, like, any time someone's in survival mode, they're in a crisis state. They're not, they're less likely to be in a solution-based mind state. They're m- they're generally in a crisis state.

Joe Rogan 20:45 Right.

Reggie Watts 20:45 So if you're in survival mode, you're spending all of this brain trust energy that could be contributing to amazing solutions for all kinds of things, and you're just wasting it. And that's why when I, when I drive through LA and I see how many people are on the street, like, I'm like, there's probably a genius in there. There's probably someone who could invent a new water filtration system, or there's probably, whatever it is. We're, it's a waste of human...

Joe Rogan 21:12 Potential.

Reggie Watts 21:13 ... potential.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Yes.

Reggie Watts 21:13 And I'm like, if you don't invest in your population, if you don't believe in your population-

Joe Rogan 21:18 Right.

Reggie Watts 21:18 ... and you don't invest in them... And I just, like, the, some of the arguments are like, "Well, if you, you know, you're just giving away stuff and people are just gonna freeload." It's like, there's gonna be, there might be some of that, but most of the time people want to get involved in something and they want to make the people at least close around them, they wanna make their lives a little bit better.

Joe Rogan 21:35 That's if you're not a drug addict.

Reggie Watts 21:37 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:37 The problem with the, the homeless community is the vast majority of them are mentally ill and/or drug addicts. So what you really-

Reggie Watts 21:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:46 ... what you really need, first of all, we definitely need to look at the country like it's our community, and we don't do that.

Reggie Watts 21:51 100%.

Joe Rogan 21:52 100%. It should be one giant community. There shou- there's no, there's no excuse for im- radically impoverished, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods. There's no excuse for that. We should be engineering that out. We should figure out a way to ru- If you wanna make a better country, you wanna make America great again, make less losers. What's the best way to make less losers? Give people opportunities from the jump.

Reggie Watts 22:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:17 You know how much potential we're missing out?

Reggie Watts 22:20 So much.

Joe Rogan 22:20 So much potential we're missing out because people who might have brilliant minds, might be incredibly creative, but they're born in horrible, hostile environments and they get caught up in it.

Reggie Watts 22:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 And it's, it's, it could happen to you, could happen to me, could happen to anybody. We're all...

Reggie Watts 22:33 Totally.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Anybody who's listening to this that hasn't committed, you know, murder or robbed people, you, y- a lot of it is luck.

Reggie Watts 22:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:41 It's your decisions, for sure, and you choose, it's how you're raised, but h- you don't get to choose that either. You don't get to choose who your family is. You don't get to-

Reggie Watts 22:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:49 ... choose your neighborhood. You don't get to choose how they, what trauma they faced in their life. You don't get to choose what happened to your mother while she was, while you were in her womb-

Reggie Watts 22:58 Yup.

Joe Rogan 22:58 ... that, that contributes to the way you think and behave.

Reggie Watts 23:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Because when a woman is involved in, like, heavy violence and trauma, and when they're around that all the time in, and the baby's in the womb, that baby comes out triggered.

Reggie Watts 23:10 Yup.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Like, ready to go.

Reggie Watts 23:12 'Cause, uh, that, that's, that's true.

Joe Rogan 23:12 It's a fact. Michael Rubin was explaining this to me.

Reggie Watts 23:14 Like epigenetics and-

Joe Rogan 23:16 Uh-huh.

Reggie Watts 23:16 ... and experiential, uh, development-

Joe Rogan 23:18 Yes.

Reggie Watts 23:18 ... and gestation.

Joe Rogan 23:19 So if we could do... I've said this many times, but I'll say it again. Think about these no-bid contracts they gave Halliburton to go in and fix Iraq after we blew the shit out of it.

Reggie Watts 23:30 Insane.

Joe Rogan 23:30 Why can't they give no-bid contracts to these motherfuckers to go fix up cities? Why, why isn't it profitable? Imagine if it was profitable to do that. If we can spend-

Reggie Watts 23:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:41 ... 100 fucking billion dollars in Ukraine, w- whether you agree with that or not, we had that money somehow or another. We were able to do that. We have a crisis in America, a massive crisis.

Reggie Watts 23:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:52 The loss of life in America is comparable to all kinds of wars. If you just look at the amount of people that die in the South Side of Chicago every weekend, it was higher at many points than what was going on with the conflict in Afghanistan.

Reggie Watts 24:06 Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy to me. When I s- when I see this, like, the United States, like... I mean, and the United States that I grew up in the '80s, there was like... Yeah, we were kind of blinded by a lot of, like, you know, kind of glamorizing and just, like, everything's groovy. You know, like the, all the movies and TV shows and stuff like that. But at least when I grew up, I didn't have that stress of the micromanaging of constant reminders that the inequities are insane and that the middle class is just getting squeezed. And everybody I know... And I'm talking about, like, I tried to get a, I tried to buy a house in LA for three years.... I bid on f- uh, four houses. One, one of 'em, one of 'em, uh, the ev- the, uh, listing agent was like, "We want you to have this house." They spoke French, I spoke French to them. I was like, "Oh, okay, this is great." I'm buttering them up. The people who owned the house were French. The listing agent was Swiss, but Fren- spoke French. And I was like, "Oh, yeah." And they were like, "Yeah, we want you to have the house, want you to have the house." I was like, "This is great." House went for $1.7 million, and of course that was like an underbid, you know, however they do that, that bullshit psychological, uh, whatever. Low, low pricing. So I was like, "Okay, great. I'm gonna give you a healthy offer." I gave them a healthy offer, you know, talked to my real estate agent and everything. I sent it to them, and I was like, "Okay, this sounds like this is gonna go through." And then they're like, "Ah, sorry, they went with this, this other person." "Oh, really? What did they offer?" They offered 1.2 million o- on top of the, uh, adjusted asking price, with no, waiving all the inspections, contingents, and it was cash. That happened-

Joe Rogan 25:43 Jesus.

Reggie Watts 25:43 ... that happened to me three times. And it was li- it felt like, it felt like the city or life was like, "Oh, you want a house? I'll give you a little bit of hope, and then I'm just gonna f- and then there's gonna be a team that just goes out (laughs) and says, 'We're gonna o- outbid you, and we're gonna just waive all the conti- there's no way you're gonna compete with it.'" And I thought about that, and I have friends that are like trying to find apartments right now. And even in Great Falls, Montana, where in, where I'm from, and it, I think some property value went up, I don't know, a huge percentage.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Californians moving in.

Reggie Watts 26:15 Well-

Joe Rogan 26:15 That's a lot of them.

Reggie Watts 26:16 ... yeah, Yellowstone, man, Yellowstone.

Joe Rogan 26:17 (laughs) They tricked everybody.

Reggie Watts 26:19 Yellowstone.

Joe Rogan 26:20 (laughs) And they-

Reggie Watts 26:20 I thought-

Joe Rogan 26:20 ... they're gonna be a rancher. (laughs)

Reggie Watts 26:21 When I, when I heard about that, no, well, no, not even that, it was just like they, like everyone thought, I thought, like, "Oh, yeah, a TV production promoting that area, like whatever, that, that should bring in money, right?" It did.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 26:32 But now every Montan- 'cause Montana's already, it's like I have the same, I feel the same way. I'm like, "Just visit. Don't, don't move here, but just come and visit." You know, that's been, (laughs) that's always been my vibe growing up. All my friends have the same vibe. They're just like, "Just, just come here, and, you know, check it out, and then, you know, we'll see you a little bit later, and you're always welcome back." And that's always been the vibe, and now it's like almost militant now. Like people are really like, "Do not come in here. Don't, don't, please."

Joe Rogan 26:58 Yeah, but you can't do that.

Reggie Watts 26:59 "Please don't."

Joe Rogan 27:00 You can't stop people from-

Reggie Watts 27:00 I-

Joe Rogan 27:00 ... coming. That's silly.

Reggie Watts 27:00 ... I know you can't, I know you can't, but-

Joe Rogan 27:02 That's a ridiculous perspective.

Reggie Watts 27:04 ... but, but I'm just saying that it got harsher because of this show and how-

Joe Rogan 27:10 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 27:10 ... it changed the economy in Bozeman. I mean, they called Bozeman Bozangeles, and-

Joe Rogan 27:14 Yes.

Reggie Watts 27:14 ... and, uh, and, and now no one ca- no one can buy a house there. I have m- I have a couple friends who are like, "We couldn't buy in Bozeman. We, we had to, we had to move somewhere else." And like prices are going up everywhere.

Joe Rogan 27:24 Wait till they get that 30 below winter for-

Reggie Watts 27:26 I know.

Joe Rogan 27:27 ... like five weeks in a row.

Reggie Watts 27:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:28 And you're like, "What in the fuck did I sign up for?"

Reggie Watts 27:30 I think a lot of people don't understand what they're getting into when they move to Montana.

Joe Rogan 27:33 That shit is on the border of Canada, son.

Reggie Watts 27:35 Whoosh, I mean-

Joe Rogan 27:36 That's up there.

Reggie Watts 27:37 I mean, I feel s-

Joe Rogan 27:37 That's a real winter.

Reggie Watts 27:38 ... I feel safe about Great Falls. Great Falls isn't necessarily a destination city. I mean, there's not, not to, I mean, there are great things. There's like-

Joe Rogan 27:45 Maybe you should stop talking about it.

Reggie Watts 27:46 ... Lewis and Clark. Oh, I know, yeah. "Don't, don't come here, man."

Joe Rogan 27:49 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 27:50 "Great Falls, man." There's nothing there. It's like forest fires. There's like deer that are really aggressive. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:55 Aggressive deer.

Reggie Watts 27:56 Aggressive deer. But you know what I mean. I just like, the, the times are kind of, I'm like, if an AI could just do, a theoretical, doesn't have to be implemented, but theoretically, like ingested all of the government, all the legislation that, all the laws that exist, and you say, give it a simple thing, like, "How can we balance all of the spending and how can we contribute to things that will solve problems to make our lives feel more like, hey, you can go out in the street and go, 'How you doing, man?' I'm, I'm not, not too bad," and they're like, "Oh, okay, great." If that was the criteria, I would be interesting to see what it came up with.

Joe Rogan 28:32 Yeah, but you're never gonna stop supply and demand. You're never gonna stop a place f- that's awesome from getting people to find out that it's awesome and wanting to live there.

Reggie Watts 28:40 Sure.

Joe Rogan 28:40 And then you're never gonna stop people from raising the price of their ve- their real estates c- because the demand is there, and then they sell it, and then it raises property values.

Reggie Watts 28:49 No, I mean, of course. I understand that.

Joe Rogan 28:51 It's called progress, Reggie.

Reggie Watts 28:52 I, okay, (laughs) I, I understand that. However-

Joe Rogan 28:54 You live in Los Angeles.

Reggie Watts 28:55 ... I live in, I live in Los Angeles.

Joe Rogan 28:57 And that's literally the product of that.

Reggie Watts 28:58 I know, I know. The Los An- I know, I know. Believe me, I feel it.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Perfect weather. Everybody moved there.

Reggie Watts 29:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:03 You ever see Los Angeles? Remember when Jerry's Famous Deli was open back in the day? You'd be able to see these-

Reggie Watts 29:09 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 29:09 ... photographs of the valley from like the 1800s. They had these old black and white photos-

Reggie Watts 29:15 Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:16 ... where it was all-

Reggie Watts 29:17 The orchards?

Joe Rogan 29:17 ... dirt roads and orchards.

Reggie Watts 29:18 Oh. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:19 And there was nobody there.

Reggie Watts 29:20 Yes, I know.

Joe Rogan 29:21 That was 100 years ago, man.

Reggie Watts 29:23 I know.

Joe Rogan 29:23 200 years ago. Now it's fucking psychotic. Now it's bumper-to-bumper traffic-

Reggie Watts 29:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:28 ... and spray paint and cement everywhere.

Reggie Watts 29:30 I know, I know. My, I have a friend, uh, from Wyoming. I think I talked about her on this show, um, and, uh, uh, she, uh, Kirsten Joy White. Some like that, yeah, I talked about her, Sharpshooter. We have the most amazing conversations 'cause she's like, she's not, I wouldn't say she's conservative, but she's a constitutionalist, and, and, and, and has her, has her beliefs and she's Christian, you know? She will even talk to me on the phone. She's like, "Listen, I'm a white Christian, uh, woman, uh, you know, living in Wyoming, in co- in Cody, Wyoming, and I love guns." And, and I was like, and we have the most amazing conversation. It's great. Um, and we usually unify on science fiction. But-

Joe Rogan 30:10 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 30:10 ... uh, but she's terrified or she said, you know, it's like, sorry Ki- Kirsten, but (laughs) but, but at one point she was like, "I'm a- apprehensive about going to California because what I see is like destruction-"

Joe Rogan 30:22 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 30:22 "... uh, you know, gangs and violence and all the stuff." And I'm like, "I don't know, man. I don't, I don't," I, and I know that it happens. I've had friends' cars broken into, you know, those types of things. But in general, like w-... I, I don't experience that. And then that also comes down to me just going, like, "Why don't you just, why don't you just come to LA and I'll show you?" No one ... Nowhere is gonna be perfect, wherever you're gonna live. There's gonna be some kind of a limitation. You're either like ... You're either not gonna have the, uh, the culture that you're looking for. You're not gonna have access to the foods that you want, but you're gonna get this, but you're gonna get this, but you might not get this. And I think, for me, it's like, ah, I wanna live in places but not have any fear based off of the projection from fear-based, uh-

Joe Rogan 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 31:05 ... projections. And so, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 31:07 Right. But there's a-

Reggie Watts 31:08 A little bit of tension.

Joe Rogan 31:08 ... reality of the elevation of violence in Los Angeles that's legitimate, and also the diminishing of police. The, the-

Reggie Watts 31:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:17 That's all real.

Reggie Watts 31:18 Yeah. It ... Yeah. It is, although I will say, uh, this is weird, but I will say that, um, there's a certain amount of that ... Ah. This is weird to say, but sometimes when things get hostile or s- let's say more chaotic, I, I kind of go, "Oh, here's an opportunity." I think it's an opportunity in the sense that, uh, it makes people reformat their association to things, like police. There's less ... There's more violence and, like, now we have less police. It's like, was the answer less police? It's like, I don't think the answer was less police. I think it was about better-trained police.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yes.

Reggie Watts 31:55 I think that's ... I think they, they went too far. And it's like-

Joe Rogan 31:58 Right.

Reggie Watts 31:58 ... when you have these opportunities in life where you're like, this moment where people are like, "Maybe we should question the way we do things," but then the response is to overshoot and-

Joe Rogan 32:07 Right.

Reggie Watts 32:08 ... overcompensate, and now you've got, like, this ... You know? So I don't know. I hope that-

Joe Rogan 32:11 Well, it's also a problem that people have an opinion based on an ideology that they subscribe to.

Reggie Watts 32:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:17 And say if you have a leftist ideology and you subscribe to that, then you have some very speci- I, I'm p- I bet I know where you stand on climate change. I bet I know where you stand on many issues.

Reggie Watts 32:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:29 And the, the problem with that is if your tribe all agrees to something, you signal to your tribe by also agreeing too, and it's much easier than having a real objective conversation about the realities of that thing and not being attached to these ideas, but just saying-

Reggie Watts 32:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:45 ... "Well, what are, what are the realities of these things?"

Reggie Watts 32:47 Yes. Yes. I always call it the, the 10% rule. Like, I may believe in something and, and think about it and go, "Yeah, that makes sense for me," but I always leave 10% margin of me being completely wrong-

Joe Rogan 33:00 Mm.

Reggie Watts 33:00 ... or me misunderstanding the whole situation-

Joe Rogan 33:03 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 33:03 ... because I can't hold onto something so fervently 'cause I have, like ... I have all kinds of friends. I have conservative friends. I have, uh, I have, uh, anarch- our anarchist friends. I have agnostic friends, whatever. I have religious friends. I have leftist friends. But the thing that I ... that brings us together is that we can have conversations about issues, and if I bring up something like, you know, something that is a counter to what they believe, they're-

Joe Rogan 33:26 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 33:26 ... at least listening, and they're like, "That's interesting. Well, yeah, if we incorporated a little bit of what you're talking about into what we're doing and we kinda deescalate on here-"

Joe Rogan 33:35 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 33:35 "... we can arrive at something that's a little bit more rational and works for more people."

Joe Rogan 33:38 What's stunning how emotionally attached people are oftentimes to subjects that they're not even informed on, and then-

Reggie Watts 33:45 Oh, yes, of course.

Joe Rogan 33:45 ... when you really have a conversation with them about the actual data, they, they fall apart because they're ideologically driven.

Reggie Watts 33:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 33:52 They're, they're camp, whether they're a right-wing conservative or a left-wing progressive, their camp believes a certain thing, and so they're locked in on this certain thing as being correct. And then emotionally, they respond to a, a differing opinion.

Reggie Watts 34:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:06 And that is just rough, man.

Reggie Watts 34:08 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:08 Those are rough conversations. I don't enjoy them. I really enjoy having conversations with people that I disagree with that are polite and kind and objective and fair. Those are great conversations-

Reggie Watts 34:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:18 ... 'cause they're stimulating.

Reggie Watts 34:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:19 I get to see how you think about things and why-

Reggie Watts 34:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:22 ... you think about these things! And those conversations are so important, and for whatever reason, nowadays, people don't wanna have them anymore. They wanna, like ... I think it's a social media-

Reggie Watts 34:32 100%.

Joe Rogan 34:32 ... artifact.

Reggie Watts 34:33 100%.

Joe Rogan 34:34 Yeah. Yeah.

Reggie Watts 34:34 It's, uh, it's social media and that you can interact, and, and you can say something. The thing is, like, if something affects you emotionally, you can immediately state how you're feeling.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 34:46 And the context is so limited on that statement. I've gotten into ... I g- I go on (laughs) ... I go on Twitter. I'm not gonna call it X, but I go on (laughs) Twitter, and, um, uh, and I have these discussions with some people that are like, "Oh, there is no way whatever I say ..." And I'm always practicing different hacks. I'm like, "Okay. Well, maybe I'll just go in with, uh, 'You're obviously in ... You're ... There's some insecurity that you're feeling.'"

Joe Rogan 35:10 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 35:10 And you're feeling frustration, and so you're kind of, like, i- you know, you're kind of expounding these things because it kinda gives you an energy in the moment-

Joe Rogan 35:17 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 35:17 ... that makes you feel as though-

Joe Rogan 35:18 You're doing something.

Reggie Watts 35:19 ... you're doing something.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 35:20 And, and often their reply is, is generally more of the same-

Joe Rogan 35:25 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 35:26 ... but slightly different information. And I'm like, "Okay. I see. You're not ... You're not in the mode where you want to have a conversation. We're not having a face-to-face conversation."

Joe Rogan 35:35 Right. You're trying to win. You're playing a game.

Reggie Watts 35:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:36 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 35:36 And I'm not, I'm not into winning.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Right.

Reggie Watts 35:38 It's like, I, I want ... I just wanna ... I wanna come to an understanding because there's nothing better. I mean, one of my favorite highs in the world ... And I love drugs, but my favorite high in the world is when I t- had a conversation, uh, fr- this is just an example. I was in Montana, back steps of my friend Wally's, uh, house. His next-door neighbor was an armorer in the Iraq war, um, was responsible for, I don't know, I think it was a battalion's worth of, of weapons, and it was only he and another guy that were monitoring these things. So, he has all these stories and his viewpoint on all kinds of things that are ... He's definitely more conservative-leaning. I had this conversation about the perspective from people who are ... You know, it was a police issue, and I was saying like, "Well, police need to be better trained." It's like, it's not necessarily about getting rid of them, but I believe that they need better training. In other countries, police go to school for two and a half years before they even get out, so there's a different- difference in quality. And we kinda went back and forth, and I saw his eyes narrowing, and it was just kind of, like, s- steaming up a little bit. But then the more we talked about it and the more I said, like, "I understand where you're coming from. I, I get where you're coming from, and I'm not saying, um, I'm not saying the opposite of what you're talking about. What I'm looking for is a solution of perspective." And-... and I saw him cool o- It was crazy. It cooled off.

Joe Rogan 36:57 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 36:58 And we left like, he's, you know, he's still gonna believe what he's believing, but it did not escalate, and it was feeling kind of a little dangerous, and then it was fine.

Joe Rogan 37:08 Mm.

Reggie Watts 37:08 And I'm like, the more that we can have these conversations, people aren't what they are for their entire lives. They, they aren't-

Joe Rogan 37:13 Yeah, that's true.

Reggie Watts 37:14 ... they aren't e- they aren't, they aren't even what they are necessarily in any given moment, because when we get information that we can tap into, and feel, and get it from somebody instead of these tiny little bite-sized-

Joe Rogan 37:26 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 37:26 ... nuggets that are, like, decontextualized, then it's brilliant, and I get off on that. That's the, my biggest high in the world is like my, my friends going like, "Uh, this about this," and I'm like, "Okay, okay. I g- I hear you, but what about this?" And they're just like, "Oh, no." "But, uh, check this out," and they're like, "Oh, well, eh." You know, I, I don't know what it is. I, I, I get off on it.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Well, that's the wonderful thing about some drugs.

Reggie Watts 37:46 Yes, that's true.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Because some drugs, like for me, it's marijuana.

Reggie Watts 37:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Marijuana makes me so much more considerate of other people's perspectives and feelings.

Reggie Watts 37:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:57 'Cause I'm much more sensitive when-

Reggie Watts 37:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:59 ... when I'm on it. So when I'm talking to someone, I'm so much less likely to engage in, like, a real disagreement, you know? It'll be much more passive, much more like, "Okay, I see what you're saying."

Reggie Watts 38:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:12 "Okay, so that, so you feel that, that like," reaffirm, and then have you considered, and this is a, a thing, and I also, I say this all the time 'cause it's a very important thing to say, I've tried very hard to not be connected to my, my ideas, that these are just ideas, that I as a individual, as a y- as a separate being, a conscious being, am engaging with these ideas, but I don't claim them as my own to the point where I'm married to them and I, and I fight for them, and these are my fucking, these are my ideas, and I stand by them.

Reggie Watts 38:48 You're dying, dying on the hill.

Joe Rogan 38:48 There's only a few-

Reggie Watts 38:50 Sure.

Joe Rogan 38:50 ... that like, you know-

Reggie Watts 38:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:51 ... there's a few.

Reggie Watts 38:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Right?

Reggie Watts 38:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:53 But most things, I'm like, I wanna know why you think the way you think, and that, that's one of the beautiful things about having a podcast is I have so many conversations with so many people that have completely different perspectives.

Reggie Watts 39:07 Man, I will-

Joe Rogan 39:08 And you get to, you get this chance to explore them.

Reggie Watts 39:10 Totally, and it's, it's funny. It's like I have this concept where I talk about, um, I don't, I kinda believe that we all play characters of ourselves, like we kinda have a character-

Joe Rogan 39:19 Sure.

Reggie Watts 39:19 ... version of ourself, but then there's the actor, right? Or if you wanna, like, use in car terms, there's a, there's a pilot or there's a driver, and then there's a, a machine. And, and how I like to think of it is I like to address the, the actor or the piece of consciousness that's just inside of the character, that's like playing the character, and generally, generally, that works really well, because if I'm making an effort to speak to that part, and then to kind of like try to see myself from their perspective, people sense that. They sense that you're making an effort, and they appreciate it because you're recognizing the, the sovereign being-

Joe Rogan 39:59 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 40:00 ... that they are, not necessarily-

Joe Rogan 40:01 Right.

Reggie Watts 40:01 ... all the stuff around them. I've talked to, like, people that are, like, super into conspiracy theories, and they're really down into this crazy zone where it's like if you're talking about encryption, it's asymmetrical. There's no way you're, you're hacking that, but you just skip to the quantum level and just talk to the, the consciousness, and (sighs) I know it sounds kind of esoteric, but it's like it, it works. It's because I wanna respect, I wanna give everyone the respect of them b- and acknowledge that they are a being on the planet, they're a human being, and they exist.

Joe Rogan 40:32 But it's also you as a human. You're a really nice guy, and every conversation I've had with you has been kind of consistent like that. You're just a nice person. You, you genuinely want, genuinely want to get along with people, and you-

Reggie Watts 40:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:47 ... genuinely want, like, a real discourse, real conversation.

Reggie Watts 40:51 True.

Joe Rogan 40:53 W- some people aren't into that game.

Reggie Watts 40:54 I, I know.

Joe Rogan 40:55 And when-

Reggie Watts 40:56 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 40:56 ... you encounter those people, like if someone says, "No, I wanna fucking play tennis," and you're like, "But we're playing ping pong, man."

Reggie Watts 41:02 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 41:02 "No, no, no. Fucking tennis," you gotta go, "Okay, I wanna play ping pong. You wanna play tennis."

Reggie Watts 41:06 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 41:06 "I'm just, have a nice day. I'm not gonna play tennis."

Reggie Watts 41:09 What if we play penis?

Joe Rogan 41:10 (laughs) .

Reggie Watts 41:10 Yeah, what if we played s- What if we like, what is the one, pickleball?

Joe Rogan 41:14 Pickleball. (laughs) Oh my God.

Reggie Watts 41:15 Uh, I heard pickleball's really fun.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Oh my God. (laughs) . I, uh, God, yeah, I hear that too, but I, I won't just 'cause of the name, I can't.

Reggie Watts 41:22 But, (laughs) but, no, it's true, it's like I just, I just, I don't know. I think that we're here, and we might as well have a good time.

Joe Rogan 41:28 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 41:28 So like-

Joe Rogan 41:29 We should-

Reggie Watts 41:29 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:29 Be as nice as you can.

Reggie Watts 41:30 Like, like f- kindness. That's all I'm looking for.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Yeah, kindness.

Reggie Watts 41:33 Kindness is like if I f- feel like someone's being kind, that's great. I've run into tons of assholes that I've seen like treat people like shit, but s- most of the time, I can get in there. If I can get in there, they'll go like, "Oh, that's cool. I respect you, man." I'm like, "Okay, great 'cause I respect you too, but also don't do that shit." Like-

Joe Rogan 41:51 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 41:51 ... like you could do stuff different.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 41:53 And, and, and they'll come back at you, and you'll get an energy that you actually want.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Right. Well, that's the thing too. Like some people say, "Look, I met that guy, and he was an asshole." Okay, well, how were you?

Reggie Watts 42:06 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 42:06 'Cause when I met him, he's really nice.

Reggie Watts 42:08 Yeah, totally. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:08 Like how did you engage with this person?

Reggie Watts 42:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:11 You know, some people, it's like y- who you are is oftentimes a product of who you're talking to, too.

Reggie Watts 42:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Like who you are in that moment-

Reggie Watts 42:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:20 ... is oftentime how this person receives you and how they're talking to you.

Reggie Watts 42:24 Oh, uh, 100%, man. It's like I, there's nothing I love more than like someone like, "Ah, ah," and I'm just like, "Hey, what's going on? Oh, you, are you okay? Like what?" And they're like-

Joe Rogan 42:33 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 42:33 ... "Why do you care?" You know, it's like, "Well, because I don't know. I dig you." If someone's coming at me, I, there's definitely times where I will push back on somebody if they're being a dick to me, but I love figuring out a way to be, again, like asymmetrical or just, just illogical to them, irrational to them, because like if someone's like, "I'm gonna s- do something that I'm expecting a certain reaction from," that generally I get when I do it, and then I, (laughs) they're like, "Here's some scrambled eggs," and then I give them back a hat with like, you know, a lizard crawling around it, and I'm like, "Here's the..." And they're like, "What, what is this?" And then when they're in that confused state-... it's, that's the opportunity where you can just be like, "Man, this is silly. What are you doing?" Like, we don't, "You don't have to be this way." It's, there's like ... Life is awesome. I mean, and I know it's hard to see for some people that are really, really affected by their environment, they're affected by the way they've been treated, they've affected by all kinds of things.

Joe Rogan 43:26 Oh, yeah.

Reggie Watts 43:26 But guarantee, like you play ... If a, if an acapella, an amazing acapella singer started singing, generally someone will be like, "Oh, shit, that's amazing." And that's ... Those types of things, those are the moments where you realize like, "Oh, we're all in this, we're all in this together." There's a ... You're not getting rid of people by like, like you're not gonna become happier because you're gonna control the situation.

Joe Rogan 43:45 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 43:45 Absolutely. Like that's not really how it works.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Right.

Reggie Watts 43:48 There's more power in being collaborative.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Yes.

Reggie Watts 43:51 And you can st- And it doesn't mean you have to give up every- I think people, they're too binary. They're like, "Well, if I, if I give up here, now I've lost everything."

Joe Rogan 43:58 Mm.

Reggie Watts 43:58 It's like, it's not true. It's like you become stronger when you become better at collaborating.

Joe Rogan 44:03 Yeah, and you create alliances.

Reggie Watts 44:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 44:05 And it, and it's cool. And you can have rivalries. I mean, it's ... Rivalries, I think, are fun if they're not violent. It's like, I think that go- uh, rivalries are like, you know, "I hate that douchebag," or whatever. I love like ... We, I always practice, um, like fake negative, (laughs) like you'll like fake negative stuff where we're just like, "Yeah, that, that guy is just such a, such a dick," or whatever. And just like, "Yeah." And everyone's like, "Yeah, he's such a dick. I mean, look at the way he just helped that guy," you know? (laughs) Or whatever.

Joe Rogan 44:31 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 44:31 (laughs) And I love, I love it because it's like, well, you can kind of exercise a little bit of the real thing, but it's not real, you know?

Joe Rogan 44:36 Right.

Reggie Watts 44:37 So it lets off steam.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 44:38 Um, and I mean, you know about this. Comedians do it all the time to each other.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

Reggie Watts 44:42 It's like-

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah, yeah, all the time.

Reggie Watts 44:42 ... you know, just razzing, whatever.

Joe Rogan 44:44 God, it's so much fun to do that with comedians. It's such-

Reggie Watts 44:46 It's the best.

Joe Rogan 44:46 ... a bummer when you try that on regular people.

Reggie Watts 44:48 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 44:49 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 44:49 They do not get it. You're like, "Right?" And they're like ...

Joe Rogan 44:52 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 44:53 And you're like, "Okay." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:54 Yeah, it's like especially through text messages. Like some of my comedian friends, it's j- I love the ridiculous text messages. We'll text message just the most horrific shit, the most ridiculous shit-

Reggie Watts 45:05 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:06 ... back and forth to each other, just so cutting to each other.

Reggie Watts 45:09 Totally.

Joe Rogan 45:09 And just laughing.

Reggie Watts 45:10 Totally.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Everyone's laughing, and it's fun.

Reggie Watts 45:11 I know.

Joe Rogan 45:12 It's fun. You're sparring.

Reggie Watts 45:13 I know. You're sparring, and that's what the thing ... I mean, it's like, you know-

Joe Rogan 45:15 And it's in love. It's fun.

Reggie Watts 45:17 Totally.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Yeah. Like the reason why they can say those things to you is 'cause you know they love you and you love them.

Reggie Watts 45:22 100%.

Joe Rogan 45:22 And it's fun, and it's funny.

Reggie Watts 45:24 And it's, it's funny, and it's the, it's the best. I mean, ah, I don't know. That, that's my thing. Also, uh, you know, I'm an artist, so for me, when I see art, it's like we're all intersected by art. Every- Art is the one, is a great unifier because it just goes straight to the, the initial core of what being a human being is about.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Sure.

Reggie Watts 45:40 Which is a curious-

Joe Rogan 45:42 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 45:42 ... creative, problem-solving adventurer. Like that's generally what human beings are. They're like-

Joe Rogan 45:49 Yes.

Reggie Watts 45:49 ... "What's over there? How does that work?"

Joe Rogan 45:52 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 45:52 "Oh, I bet you I could make this. Hey, what are you working on? Can I help you?" Whatever. "Or can you help me?" Whatever. I think it's that. But then again when people are in survival mode, all the bad shit happens. And then you get people taking advantage of people in those bad situations.

Joe Rogan 46:04 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 46:05 And then they're harnessing, they're extending their disappointment in, with life and themselves onto those people, and then they start motivating. And you're just, "Guys, guys, guys."

Joe Rogan 46:13 Well, I think-

Reggie Watts 46:13 "Chill the fuck out."

Joe Rogan 46:14 ... human beings have a certain amount of conflict and problem-solving that, that they have to address on a daily basis in order to be balanced.

Reggie Watts 46:23 Certainly.

Joe Rogan 46:23 And I think the more you can do that with yourself-

Reggie Watts 46:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:27 ... the better off you are with other people. By controlled adversity-

Reggie Watts 46:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:32 ... doing things that are difficult is the most important. For me, if I don't work out a couple of days in a row-

Reggie Watts 46:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:38 ... I am a different person. And I know that seems like, "Well, you got a problem." Right?

Reggie Watts 46:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:42 Yeah, I do have a problem. Most of it's genetic. I'm pretty sure. But my problem, it has a very simple solution that I've been practicing for decades, and I understand it, and I know how to mitigate that problem. And when I do, I am a much better person. And so I do that. But when-

Reggie Watts 47:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:00 ... I don't do that for a few days, I feel like a lot of people feel all the time. And just a touch of it, just a touch of it. I don't have decades of it-

Reggie Watts 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:09 ... c- compiled with alcoholism and fucking drug abuse and, and, and, and problems and stress and lack of sleep and poor diet and all these other contributing factors that make you a fucking maniac.

Reggie Watts 47:19 Yup.

Joe Rogan 47:20 And environment.

Reggie Watts 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 You know? So just a t- I just have a touch of it after a couple of days. I'm like, "Ooh, I feel fucking irritable."

Reggie Watts 47:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:27 You know? Like, this is not-

Reggie Watts 47:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:28 This is not a good way. This is the opposite of ketamine, right?

Reggie Watts 47:31 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 47:31 This is not a good way to interface with people. If I'm tense and worked up and I run into someone and they're taking too long to talk, you know, they're just blabbing and bla- I'm like, "Okay, get to the fucking point."

Reggie Watts 47:41 Yeah, right. Right, right.

Joe Rogan 47:41 "Come on, man." But I'll say it that way, "Come on, man, get to the point," and then that person's like, "Hey."

Reggie Watts 47:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:46 "You're fucking rude."

Reggie Watts 47:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:47 "That guy's rude."

Reggie Watts 47:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:48 "Ah, you're giving me a fucking earbeating."

Reggie Watts 47:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:50 Like, "Oh my God, he's hostile." Like, "I'm sorry I'm tense," but if I was high and worked out-

Reggie Watts 47:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:55 ... I'd be like, "I see where you're coming from." I'd maybe joke around a little bit like, uh, "Does this story have an end?"

Reggie Watts 48:01 Yeah, right, right.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Like with a smile.

Reggie Watts 48:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:04 Or just make fun of the situation. Like, "I see what you're saying, but God, I'm running-"

Reggie Watts 48:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 "... out of time here."

Reggie Watts 48:09 I, I do-

Joe Rogan 48:09 "I gotta get outta here."

Reggie Watts 48:10 I do the thing where I go like rapidly, uh, basically describe what they're ... Like getting to the point at what someone's describing, uh, like, like very rapidly and, and then like going like, "Is that what you mean?" And they'll go-

Joe Rogan 48:22 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 48:22 ... "Oh, yeah." And "Okay, okay, now let's move to the next one." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:23 But then they wanna keep going and expand on it so it's their own.

Reggie Watts 48:26 That's, that's true. But you know-

Joe Rogan 48:27 There's also a problem-

Reggie Watts 48:28 That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 48:28 ... that some people just suck at talking.

Reggie Watts 48:30 Of course.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Some people are just not very good at it.

Reggie Watts 48:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:33 And they're practicing on you. Like they're practicing.

Reggie Watts 48:35 That's true.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yeah. That's very frustrating, people talking at you.

Reggie Watts 48:39 Phew. Man, I'm telling you, man, it's like I ... It, it's interesting when I have friends that are like high visible f- high visibility friends or, you know, people that are in the spotlight and I see how they interact with people, you know? And that, I mean they are cer- They might not even be friends, so maybe I'm at a gathering or something like the AMI's party or something like that, and I love like watching all the social interactions and seeing how they, how they do it. Like the other night I'm at, uh ...... um, I was at Sarah Silverman's rooftop party, and it was like all these amazing people were up there. It was really cool to see everybody. We hadn't seen each other in a long time. All the people I grew up with doing comedy in 2003 in a little, little tiny club in New York or whatever, we're here. It's like, "Look at us now." You know, it's like, "This is cool. We did, we did good," or goodish. And, uh, anyways, Owen Wilson was up there. And I, I noticed his, a strategy that he used which I thought was kinda interesting, which was, um, he was leaving and he had kinda met me before, but I don't think he recognized who I was. I didn't think he knew, knew who I was. But he had like this way of like, "I'm accepting positive energy. I'm reflecting it immediately, but I also have the momentum of I'm getting the fuck out of here."

Joe Rogan 49:44 (laughs) Yes.

Reggie Watts 49:45 And, and, and I loved seeing that. I was like, "I've done that. I know what it is."

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 49:49 And, um, and you know, I don't know. It's like you deal with a lotta people, you kinda have to f- either you're just like, "I don't ... And I, I'm terrible with people. I'm, I'm, I'm not going to these things," or, "I'm out." Or I- at this point, any- the way anybody behaves towards me, I'm not really shocked. I've seen almost everything. I've seen shortness. I've seen people that other people think are rude, but they might be on the spectrum.

Joe Rogan 50:11 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 50:11 And they don't know how to ... They just jump into something as though you've been talking for like hours-

Joe Rogan 50:17 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 50:17 ... and assume that you know what they're talking about. In those cases like, I've developed a lot of patience for that. So like, I try ... And when I'm with my friends, I'm like, I'm like, they're like, "Whoa, you were really patient with that person." I was like, "It's the only way I can do it." It's, it's because I have to give people a little bit of time. I don't-

Joe Rogan 50:33 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 50:33 ... want them to take advantage of me, but I gotta give them at least a little bit of time to hear what they're talking about because, fuck man, the worst thing, my worst nightmare is like the more successful I get, the more detached I become from the general human populace.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 50:48 I can't, I can't do it. Most the places I hang out with ... I had a friend who gave me a compliment once. They were like, "You're like a, a li- you're like a fem- fame- famous person that doesn't live their life like a famous person." And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm not gonna fucking do that shit." I'm going to the DIY spaces. I'm, I'm helping someone with their flat tire, you know, whatever. It's like, uh, nothing changed. I just have more, some, some more resources, so I can like do some different things. Or I have access to a great podcast like this, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:14 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 51:14 Or I get to hang out with like really cool people. But in general, I just like being a person and hopefully, you know, by me being patient and people observing that they're like, "Oh, maybe, maybe I can, I can incorporate a little bit of that."

Joe Rogan 51:26 The problem is you do open up the door for grifters. Like, there's a lotta people that have gotten my phone number or shoulda gotten my phone number.

Reggie Watts 51:31 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 51:32 And then they get text messages-

Reggie Watts 51:33 You mean like-

Joe Rogan 51:33 ... and trying to get-

Reggie Watts 51:34 Oh.

Joe Rogan 51:34 ... things from me and trying to get me to do things for them and trying to-

Reggie Watts 51:36 Oh, of course. Of course.

Joe Rogan 51:38 ... get people to do this-

Reggie Watts 51:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:39 ... and that. And can you connect me with this person?

Reggie Watts 51:41 Well, you know, you block 'em, whatever. You don't respond.

Joe Rogan 51:43 No, I don't block 'em.

Reggie Watts 51:44 You don't block 'em?

Joe Rogan 51:44 No.

Reggie Watts 51:44 You just let, you let 'em-

Joe Rogan 51:45 I change my phone number.

Reggie Watts 51:46 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 51:46 If I have a new one, I have to give it to you.

Reggie Watts 51:48 Oh, okay. Good. Good to know.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 51:50 I ... (laughs) Here's an interesting thing. I have not changed (laughs) my number since 1998 when I first-

Joe Rogan 51:54 That's amazing.

Reggie Watts 51:54 ... got Cingular.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Oh, my God.

Reggie Watts 51:56 I, I signed up on Cingular. But I will say this. I think some of my friends who have to change their numbers ... I mean, you're dealing with stuff like the crowds that you're deal- you're dealing with like fighting. You're, you're, you're interviewing a lot of people that have all kinds of crazy different s- perspectives. So, the interest is high in so people wanna have access to that. For me, it's like I'm a, I'm a silly guy.

Joe Rogan 52:19 You're just a cool guy to hang out with. Yeah.

Reggie Watts 52:19 I'm just a silly guy doing things. So-

Joe Rogan 52:21 You can't give them anything.

Reggie Watts 52:22 Yeah, it's like I don't really-

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 52:23 What are they gonna ... They're gonna ask me like, "Hey, can you do my, my show?"

Joe Rogan 52:26 Right. Well, that's a, it, it, it gets to the point where like, like if you're a hot woman and a guy's being nice to you.

Reggie Watts 52:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:32 You, you don't, you don't think, "Oh, this guy's just being nice to me."

Reggie Watts 52:34 I know.

Joe Rogan 52:35 You're like, "This guy wants to have sex with me."

Reggie Watts 52:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:36 So that's always on the table. And so-

Reggie Watts 52:38 100%.

Joe Rogan 52:38 ... when someone's being nice to me, I have to always go, "Are you trying to get something or are you just nice?"

Reggie Watts 52:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:45 And, and then it's always like-

Reggie Watts 52:45 Are you good at knowing?

Joe Rogan 52:46 ... "Hey, I have this business that I'd really like to talk to you about." Like, fuck.

Reggie Watts 52:50 Yeah. Ahh.

Joe Rogan 52:51 There it goes.

Reggie Watts 52:51 I know. I know. I know. I mean, it's that way for me, but it's mostly about like a show. Like it's always-

Joe Rogan 52:58 (laughs) Right.

Reggie Watts 52:58 ... like, "Can you do my show?"

Joe Rogan 52:59 Right.

Reggie Watts 52:59 Or, "Can you do a voice on my animation thing or something?"

Joe Rogan 53:02 Well, some of that's cool.

Reggie Watts 53:03 You know, if it's-

Joe Rogan 53:04 Some of that's fun.

Reggie Watts 53:04 It's super cool, but like I'm prepared for it, but it's less stakes than what you're, you're-

Joe Rogan 53:08 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 53:08 ... kinda talking about. So I can like chill.

Joe Rogan 53:10 Yeah. At a certain level, it gets super weird. Like I have friends that are really f- like Post Malone. He's really famous. He changes his number all the time.

Reggie Watts 53:17 Really?

Joe Rogan 53:18 He just has to. I just think he just has to fucking vanish.

Reggie Watts 53:20 Ah. I, I, I get it. I get it. I mean-

Joe Rogan 53:23 'Cause everybody's trying to do something with that guy. It's just like e- everyone's pulling at you. Everybody wants something. And they look-

Reggie Watts 53:29 Well, that's tough.

Joe Rogan 53:29 ... at you as not just a, a human being, but as a potential for them to step higher.

Reggie Watts 53:35 Dollar signs.

Joe Rogan 53:35 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 53:36 Yeah. Dollar signs.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Success. And also social success.

Reggie Watts 53:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:39 That you can be seen, you know, with that person if you, you, you travel with that person. If you do things with that person, it elevates your social status.

Reggie Watts 53:46 Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 53:47 And if you're homies with Post Malone and you walk into a club, like you're the fucking man.

Reggie Watts 53:50 (laughs) Yeah, totally. Like, "You were with Post Malone?"

Joe Rogan 53:53 You know? Yeah.

Reggie Watts 53:53 I'm always like when I'm with friends like on that level, I, I'm a little bit ... I'm so sensitive to that dynamic-

Joe Rogan 54:00 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 54:00 ... that I, I kind of like go-

Joe Rogan 54:02 Yeah, absolutely.

Reggie Watts 54:02 I make myself so small.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Good.

Reggie Watts 54:04 And, and it's like there's a point of it where now my, my psychologist is like, "You get ..." Or my psychiatrist or psychologist. She's, uh, she's like, "It's okay to be a little bit ... You can own some of your achievements, but you don't have to be an as-" 'Cause I'm like-

Joe Rogan 54:17 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 54:17 ... well, if I do that, then I'll be an asshole. It's like, nah, that's not, that's not true. You can still be who you are.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Yeah. Some of your achievements are real. It's like-

Reggie Watts 54:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Like if someone wants to talk to you about music and they're saying a bunch of nonsense, and you're like, "Hey."

Reggie Watts 54:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:31 "I'm actually a musician."

Reggie Watts 54:32 I know. I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 54:33 You know?

Reggie Watts 54:33 I do love it. I'm just like, "Cool. Right." Now I go, you know what? And then I kind of ... But what I do is I like I add information to kind of fill out their picture, and then-

Joe Rogan 54:42 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 54:43 ... they m- then they'll sometimes be like, "Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, that." And I'm like, well, at least I'll, I'll teach you something without saying like, "Let me teach you something."

Joe Rogan 54:50 The only place I have no room for that is things that are just rock solid and concrete, like where there's n- there's no debate about those things.

Reggie Watts 54:58 You mean like the earth is round?

Joe Rogan 54:59 Those kinda things.

Reggie Watts 55:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:01 Those kinda things and, uh-... in, in martial arts, too. There's a lot of... I've, I get in martial arts conversations with people that have some ridiculous ideas, and I have to say, "S- stop. Stop. Stop."

Reggie Watts 55:12 Of-

Joe Rogan 55:12 This is-

Reggie Watts 55:13 Of course.

Joe Rogan 55:13 ... you're dealing with a very complex thing, and you have very limited knowledge.

Reggie Watts 55:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:17 And you're, you're talking to an actual expert.

Reggie Watts 55:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:19 And I don't like that. I don't like these conversations. I don't li- I, I... If you come into it with humility, but if you come into me telling-

Reggie Watts 55:24 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 55:25 ... me that you, you have this fucking thing that you figured out that no one else has figured out, I'm like-

Reggie Watts 55:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:30 (sighs) Listen.

Reggie Watts 55:31 It's li- it's delusional vibes.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 55:32 And that sucks. Have you ever been asked to, to help with fight choreography and things, like, for films and things like that?

Joe Rogan 55:38 No. No, I've asked, been asked to do them.

Reggie Watts 55:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:41 But I don't want-

Reggie Watts 55:42 Not interested.

Joe Rogan 55:42 I don't like acting.

Reggie Watts 55:43 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 55:43 I don't enjoy it.

Reggie Watts 55:44 But even, like, coaching, like, a scene to make it-

Joe Rogan 55:46 No.

Reggie Watts 55:46 ... look more realistic?

Joe Rogan 55:47 No, no, there's guys that do that are excellent. Uh, there's-

Reggie Watts 55:49 For sure.

Joe Rogan 55:50 I'm not needed, you know? It's like-

Reggie Watts 55:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:51 ... you know, someone who's not a comic teaching people comedy. It's a very specific skill to make it look good on camera.

Reggie Watts 55:56 That's true. It's-

Joe Rogan 55:57 You know?

Reggie Watts 55:57 ... different than actual fighting.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Yeah, it's angles, and, like, there's certain thi- like, contact. Like, e- there's certain things where you actually have to make contact with a person-

Reggie Watts 56:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:07 ... in order for it to be realistic. So you have to be really good at that.

Reggie Watts 56:09 True.

Joe Rogan 56:10 And you have to be good at pulling shots.

Reggie Watts 56:12 Oh, yeah. God, that's... I, I could not-

Joe Rogan 56:14 (clears throat) Yeah.

Reggie Watts 56:14 ... imagine.

Joe Rogan 56:15 E- uh, yeah, you have to hit people and not hurt them, and that's a real issue with, like, the... There was always stories about certain action stars that would do fight scenes and hurt the stunt people on purpose. And the stunt guys would be fucking furious.

Reggie Watts 56:29 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 56:30 'Cause this guy would actually hit them on purpose, and you knew he was doing it. And it did make the scenes look realistic, but that was not what they had prepared.

Reggie Watts 56:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:37 You know?

Reggie Watts 56:38 It's all about expectations.

Joe Rogan 56:38 'Cause this is like th- you're, someone's getting free shots on you.

Reggie Watts 56:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 56:42 Oh, by the way, I wrote a book.

Joe Rogan 56:44 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 56:44 Oh, what's your book about?

Joe Rogan 56:47 Sorry to jump-

Reggie Watts 56:47 If I created that, I was like, "I should slip that in a little bit." It is about fight choreography-

Joe Rogan 56:51 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 56:51 ... and that's why I was... Well, it took a long time, but I was steering us in that direction.

Joe Rogan 56:54 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 56:54 Um, no, it's just called Great Falls, Montana. It's a, it's a autobiography about-

Joe Rogan 56:58 Oh, cool.

Reggie Watts 56:58 ... me growing up.

Joe Rogan 56:59 Oh, nice.

Reggie Watts 57:00 Um, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:00 How long did it take to write that? Was that a pandemic project?

Reggie Watts 57:03 This was a pandemic project, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Nice.

Reggie Watts 57:05 Year and a half. Year and, um-

Joe Rogan 57:06 Nice.

Reggie Watts 57:06 ... almost two years. Oh, there it is.

Joe Rogan 57:08 There it is.

Reggie Watts 57:08 There she is.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Look at that out of control fro, son.

Reggie Watts 57:11 I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 57:13 Fast Times Poke- Post Punk Weirdos: A Tale of Coming Home Again, Reggie Watts. Nice.

Reggie Watts 57:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Did you do an audio for it?

Reggie Watts 57:20 I did, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:21 Good. Beautiful.

Reggie Watts 57:21 I kinda didn't want to. I was so-

Joe Rogan 57:23 You have to.

Reggie Watts 57:23 ... so la- so lazy.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Oh, come on, you have to.

Reggie Watts 57:25 But, hey, no. No, I wanted Fred Armisen to do it.

Joe Rogan 57:27 No! That's gotta be Reggie.

Reggie Watts 57:28 I know, I know, I know. But-

Joe Rogan 57:30 You have a very distinct voice.

Reggie Watts 57:31 Sto- true.

Joe Rogan 57:31 If someone's reading your life story with a different voice, that would suck.

Reggie Watts 57:35 I thought it would just be, like, weird. But yes, you're right, you're right.

Joe Rogan 57:37 It'll be weird, but it wouldn't be good weird.

Reggie Watts 57:40 (laughs) People are, like, confused-

Joe Rogan 57:41 People are like confused-

Reggie Watts 57:41 ... weird with good weird.

Joe Rogan 57:42 ... with weird. It's like, "No, but guys, isn't it funny?" They're like, "No, they hear you." It's ironic. I had Pee-wee Herman do my voice.

Reggie Watts 57:46 And it's like, "What?" Oh, it's like, "No, it's like, uh-"

Joe Rogan 57:48 Ha ha.

Reggie Watts 57:48 "... we just wanted to hear you."

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yeah, of course.

Reggie Watts 57:50 Um, no, but it's, it's just like... I don't know. I mean, I, I wanted to do... I, I've n- I just wasn't interested in ever making a book. But then, um, I was like, "An autobiography, that sounds a little bit easier," 'cause then I'm just telling stories.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 58:03 And it's about my high school times, which, as you know, like, the '80s were a crazy time, and-

Joe Rogan 58:07 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 58:08 ... we did crazy stuff. And, um, I don't know, it's just been... It was, it was fun, fun to, like, just show, like, this is how I am today. This is where I... This is why.

Joe Rogan 58:17 I love a good a- autobiography.

Reggie Watts 58:19 Yeah. I mean, I hope it's good.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Good... A good, interesting, honest one. It's fas- it's fascinating to, to listen to how people grew up and what they think and how they developed their thought process and...

Reggie Watts 58:30 (inhales) Yeah, 'cause it's like... I don't know, for me, it's... I mean, if you think about all the components, it's like, "Well, okay, I've got white French mother from France, you know, African American father from Cleveland, Ohio." And, you know, they meet in Europe, they... You know, we move around Europe, and then I grow up in Great Falls, Montana (laughs) as this biracial weirdo kind of strange kid, you know, c- uh, compared to the rest of the populace. And then just navigating that, but then also getting the fortune of it being in the '80s. It's, uh... I don't know. It's like, I think, like, a lot of people... Some people have read it. Some friends have read it, and they're like, um... Like, Anson Mount is read- reading it right now, and, like, Anson seems, like, s-

Joe Rogan 59:10 Who's that?

Reggie Watts 59:10 He's the, he's the captain of the Enterprise. He's... God, he's-

Joe Rogan 59:13 Which Enterprise?

Reggie Watts 59:14 Uh, the new, the new one. Uh, he's, uh-

Joe Rogan 59:16 I don't even know that exists.

Reggie Watts 59:17 It's, uh, uh, sorry, Strange New Worlds, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.

Joe Rogan 59:21 Oh, you're a Trekkie.

Reggie Watts 59:22 I, I'm a science fiction lover. I, I do love Star Trek 'cause I watched it with my dad. I love it, I love it. But I love all... I love it all.

Joe Rogan 59:30 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 59:30 But yes, I, I, I just... The new one's really got me because it does capture the spirit of the old 'cause it's, it's just before the original series.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 59:39 Which I think-

Joe Rogan 59:40 Oh, before.

Reggie Watts 59:41 Yeah, before. So it's Captain Pike. So that's Anson-

Joe Rogan 59:43 Oh.

Reggie Watts 59:43 ... right there. And-

Joe Rogan 59:44 And this is on what? Oh, how do you, uh-

Reggie Watts 59:46 This is on Paramount.

Joe Rogan 59:46 ... consume this? Paramount Plus?

Reggie Watts 59:47 I think it's Paramount+.

Joe Rogan 59:48 It's good?

Reggie Watts 59:49 It, to me... I was, like, worried about it, 'cause Voyager's like-

Joe Rogan 59:52 That guy's got great hair.

Reggie Watts 59:53 It, it's... Anson's awesome.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Look at this hair.

Reggie Watts 59:55 Anson's like... He, he plays the part in this really great way. Like, he's like the guy that you would wanna tell all your problems to, you know, (laughs) on the show. And he's a great actor, and he's always been really cool with me. But, um, he's done a lot of stuff, but this was the o- this is the one. Finally, this is a role that, like...

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Do they have the internet on the new Star Trek shows?

Reggie Watts 1:00:17 Uh, y- oh, is there, is there an internet? What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 1:00:20 Do you mean-

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Do they have internet? Like, can they Google things?

Reggie Watts 1:00:22 I think they... Of course, they have the ship's computer, right? It's like artificial intelligence. I don't know. They never act- actually never hear about that. Well-

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Right.

Reggie Watts 1:00:29 ... maybe you do hear about that. But on this show, no, it's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:00:32 ... you know-

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Can they send emails? (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:00:34 I think it's so... I think it's all... No, 'cause they're just, like, communicating.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Isn't it funny that they never even thought of a phone that would work from space? They used... They thought of it as a walkie-talkie. Kirk out. Remember that?

Reggie Watts 1:00:42 No, I know, like... (makes walkie-talkie sound) Yeah, that little... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Yeah, like, you had to talk, and then he had to wait for the other person to talk.

Reggie Watts 1:00:47 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Like a walkie-talkie.

Reggie Watts 1:00:48 It's like, "Hello? Over."

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 "Over."

Reggie Watts 1:00:49 "Hello? Over." But I mean, it's like, what? And it came up in the '60s or whatever. But the new one, actually there's a joke about it because a guy from the future comes into them, and he's f- he's from the Federation, so he's got the thing that you just hit the badge.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Mm-hmm.

Reggie Watts 1:01:02 And they're like, "We've analyzed it, and apparently it's a communicator." And then Anson's character (laughs) is just like, "Yeah, but flipping open the thing, that's, that's the funnest part." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:01:10 "It's the best part."... (laughs) and I was like, "That's- that's true."

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Imagine talking on a walkie talkie to your friend when she's not on ketamine.

Reggie Watts 1:01:17 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 With the ramblin'.

Reggie Watts 1:01:20 Oh, my God. Well, you'd have to-

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 And over never comes.

Reggie Watts 1:01:23 There's just... Over would never.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:01:25 Are you kidding? You'd miss, like... I don't know how much you'd miss. You'd miss a lot, but-

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 And if you had to tell her something, like, really important, "There's a monster headed your way," like, you wouldn't be able to get to it 'cause she'd be like, "Today was like... Okay, I feel... I don't... Maybe what's ha-... I'm not sure if..." (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:01:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Like, "There's a monster in your neighborhood."

Reggie Watts 1:01:49 It's just like, "No, there's a thing. You gotta get out of there," and they're just like, "Yeah, but all of reality is made of particles."

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Oh.

Reggie Watts 1:01:56 "So those particles are the essence of perception." I mean... Oh, God, I couldn't... No, man. I've done some functional things on K before, which were- were pretty surprising.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Functional things?

Reggie Watts 1:02:05 Well, things that you're-

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Like what?

Reggie Watts 1:02:06 ... supposed to be functional for.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Like what?

Reggie Watts 1:02:08 I think the first time I did a lozenge, it was a 200 milligram lozenge, and 'cause I have a prescription for it. Um...

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 What is the prescription for? What does the doctor say when they write that prescription? "He likes to get high." (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:02:18 It's like, it's like he really is into... He's a psychonaut. I don't know. No, I mean, it was- it's kind of like- it's for therapeutic reasons.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 Sure.

Reggie Watts 1:02:24 But you can, like... It's a friend of a friend. So I was like, "Well, let me experience this 'cause I wanna know what this- what is this like." But I took the- I took it and I did a livestream, and it was during the pandemic. And I didn't know how high I was gonna get, but I just set up the equipment. I had to problem-solve a bunch of stuff, and I totally did it successfully. No one knew that I was high.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:02:45 And that- that's my- that's my secret, I will say. It's the one strength I have on psychedelics. I can always do an impression of a non-high me.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:02:54 Unless, like, my eyes are crazy. But generally, people are like, "I didn't know you were high." I was like, "No, no, I was completely peaking on acid when I was talking to you."

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 Duh.

Reggie Watts 1:03:01 And they're like, "That's impossible." I'm like, "No, it's like, it's something I actually like to practice 'cause it's- it's fun."

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Practice normalcy.

Reggie Watts 1:03:08 Yeah. Like, I'll do... Like, oftentimes, if my (laughs) friends are like- were like all really high on K or something like that. I'm like, "Guys, I'm gonna do an impression. This is my favorite thing. I'm gonna do an impression of a normal person." And so I'll, like, get up and go like, "Oh, man, I forgot to do this thing. Oh, shit. Um, hey, when you get a chance, can you call so-and-so," or whatever. And then (laughs) like, go over it, like, wash my hands, and like, you know, just do normal-person stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 1:03:29 And I- there's some- something about, like, trying to find your center in the middle of a storm that I feel is kind of like... It's like strapping on weights on your ankle or wearing- wearing a weighted vest in training. It's like, it's a way of, like, kind of challenging yourself to the point at which you hopefully make a goal by, like, achieving some-

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 1:03:49 ... something.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 1:03:50 But I don't know. That's a little too (laughs) weird.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Well, it's also you're comfortable with that state, you know?

Reggie Watts 1:03:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 For someone who's never experienced it at that state before, it becomes overwhelming. And then you kind of, like, give into the anxiety of the moment and your... And that's the thing about bad trips, right?

Reggie Watts 1:04:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 A lot of it is people fighting it, struggling with the trip, and n- not wanting to accept it.

Reggie Watts 1:04:10 Totally.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Not wanting to let go and give in.

Reggie Watts 1:04:13 Totally.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 It's a big factor.

Reggie Watts 1:04:14 Totally. I mean, I get it. And- and that's why, generally, it's hard for me to find people that are just down, you know? Like, if- if I'm like, "Hey, do you wanna do k-" Whenever I say ketamine, it feels like it's- I'm saying, like, the heaviest thing in the world because either people are like, "It's horse tranquilizers," um, it's K-hole, which is thought of as negative, um, or they're thinking of, like, party vibes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Right.

Reggie Watts 1:04:35 Like, where you're just, like, doing bumps and you're like, "Oh, I'm dancing. Here's a bump and bump." It's like, generally, when I do K, I fucking- I fucking do K. Like, I- I wanna- I wanna be in there. I wanna, like, get in there. And so when-

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:04:45 ... people come around they're like, "That's all I know about it," I'm like, "You know what? Come over to my house." I don't know how many people have come over. I should be a coach or something. People come over to my house all the time and they're like, "Ah, I don't know, man. Uh, I- I don't-" And I'm like, "Trust me, I'm really good at dosing." That's always my (laughs) my line. But it's true. People will be like, "Oh, it's- it was just like you said. That was great." I was like, "I guarantee you'll ask me for another bump." And then they'll be like, "No, there's no way." And then they'll be like, "Oh, could I have another bump?" And I was like, "I told you. It's a great..." It- it's all about set and setting, and I like to have fun.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Yeah.

Reggie Watts 1:05:12 So. But anyways, I- I-

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Someone went into a K-hole at my club the other night.

Reggie Watts 1:05:16 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Yeah. Some lady was going... (growls)

Reggie Watts 1:05:18 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 And her- her-

Reggie Watts 1:05:19 In the audience?

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 ... Yeah, her boyfriend-

Reggie Watts 1:05:20 Did she have to be taken out?

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 ... was like, "Oh, he's doing ketamine." Yeah. They had to get her assistance.

Reggie Watts 1:05:24 Oh. The good thing is it's over in 20 minutes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 There's a lot of that out here.

Reggie Watts 1:05:27 I, that's what I heard.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 A lot of people are doing the nasal spray.

Reggie Watts 1:05:29 That's what I heard, the nasal spray thing.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:05:31 Yeah, I- I- I, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Recreationally.

Reggie Watts 1:05:33 And I heard it was, like, kind of, uh, uh, ear engineer was saying that it was, like, a- a kind of, um, a tech bro thing, which I'm like, "Well..."

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 I would call Jamie a producer more than an engineer.

Reggie Watts 1:05:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 What's your official title?

Reggie Watts 1:05:44 I apologize.

Narrator 1:05:45 I was-

Reggie Watts 1:05:45 Deeply apologize.

Narrator 1:05:46 ... trained as an engineer, but I produce now. (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:05:47 Okay, okay, gotcha.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 (laughs)

Reggie Watts 1:05:49 Got you. Got you.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Um, yeah, it's a-

Reggie Watts 1:05:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 ... tricky one, Kay, 'cause it just... The connotations, the- the negative connotations.

Reggie Watts 1:05:56 Yeah, and also where people do it. It's like, don't do it at a comedy club. It's like, like, why would you-

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Or don't do that much.

Reggie Watts 1:06:02 Or do... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 The thing about those nasal sprays is no one can stop you-

Reggie Watts 1:06:05 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 ... from just fucking keep hammering that thing.

Reggie Watts 1:06:08 It's- it's too con- it's too convenient.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Next thing you know, your- your hand has a metallic claw and you're in another dimension.

Reggie Watts 1:06:13 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 And you're pumping it.

Reggie Watts 1:06:14 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 (chomping sounds)

Reggie Watts 1:06:16 Man, the- the safety. There's nothing that feels more unsafe than when you're, like, really high on K and you're in an extremely public place.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Hmm.

Reggie Watts 1:06:24 It is... It's quite the challenge. Usually, I just tell people. I just tell them just so they know. (laughs) They're like, they're like, "Hey, man." I'm like, "I'm really high right now on K." And usually people are like, "Oh, okay. All right."

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 (laughs)