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Joe Rogan Experience #2055 - Tim Kennedy

Tim Kennedy is a Green Beret, retired UFC fighter, founder of Sheepdog Response, and co-founder of Save our Allies: an organization dedicated to rescuing and relocating Americans and allies in war-torn environments.  www.timkennedy.com

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Jun 27, 20242h 38mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 0:12

    Intro

    1. JR

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

  2. 0:12 – 5:57

    Coffee

    1. JR

    2. TK

      What you drinking, anything special? Did, like, Evan make this for you?

    3. JR

      Yeah, it's Black Rifle. I don't know what blend it is.

    4. TK

      I'm gonna be fully transparent. The, um, I only like the bougie Black Rifle blends.

    5. JR

      The boujie blends?

    6. TK

      Yeah, like-

    7. JR

      Oh, like the Ethiopian stuff? The like-

    8. TK

      Yeah, like Evan-

    9. JR

      ... lemony sort of?

    10. TK

      E- Evan will be like, "Oh, so I, I, you know, sole source selected this cr- this bean from this place."

    11. JR

      Ha.

    12. TK

      "And I roasted it this way." I'm like, "Oh, oh, it's gonna be good." And it's good.

    13. JR

      Well, every year, I do elk hunting camp with Evan.

    14. TK

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      We, we, we share an elk hunting camp in California. So-

    16. TK

      And-

    17. JR

      ... we just got back. And so Evan makes coffee for us every day.

    18. TK

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      So he gets up, and he fucking hand measures everything.

    20. TK

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      And he brings his own fucking special blends. He had two different blends 'cause he knows I like a dark roast. So he had a dark roast, and then his- he had this really bizarre, exotic coffee that tasted different than anything I'd ever had before. It was like, it had like a kind of like v- almost like a sweet, like almost like a tea taste to it.

    22. TK

      Huh.

    23. JR

      Like he just, he's a master.

    24. TK

      You know he was using taxpaying dollars to, to start his coffee obsession?

    25. JR

      Was he really?

    26. TK

      Yeah. So when he was both in group and at the agency, he would take... You know, we, we have discretionable funds that you can spend on whatever. And if... And area improvement is an appropriate way for you to spend money. So he would buy, like, a $20,000 espresso machine.

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. TK

      And, you know, a $3,000 grinder in some middle of nowhere Ford operating base where he's making coffee and, like, just being a total nerd. Um, and it's all taxpayer money (laughs) . It's, it's awesome. Like finally something's being used with taxpaying dollars that benefits the soldier, which is rare.

    29. JR

      Right. We ran out of coffee filters.

    30. TK

      Uh-huh.

  3. 5:57 – 11:58

    Racing

    1. JR

      insane?

    2. TK

      Yeah. And can change on a dime.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. TK

      Just, like, flip.

    5. JR

      It says you can go up to 220 horizontally.

    6. TK

      Oh!... oh-

    7. JR

      Fast.

    8. TK

      ... 220 in a car fucking feels insane.

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. TK

      I mean, I've never done it. I don't know. But I mean, I've d- I've done, like, we went to, uh, to the local racetrack, that place up there. COTA. Oh, are our lights not on? Uh, we went to COTA recently, and COTA g- gets up to like ... I mean, we were in a Lamborghini, went to like 147. That feels fucking insane, at a racetrack. I got-

    11. JR

      Is this thing going, James?

    12. NA

      We got it. We got it.

    13. JR

      Oh, there we go. Oh, changed colors.

    14. TK

      Yeah, that, that long straightaway-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TK

      ... into that almost 180 turn-

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TK

      ... s- on a motorcycle is one of the scariest things I have ever felt. Have you done that track? Yeah.

    19. JR

      Oh, that track is awesome.

    20. TK

      Yeah. I mean, except for that, like my testicles were up into my stomach-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. TK

      ... and I thought, "I'm a brave, courageous human," and then I was just 100% coward on a racetrack. Right. Like, yeah.

    23. JR

      At least if you wipe out, you just kind of like slide.

    24. TK

      Psh. Yeah. Yeah.

    25. JR

      We were watching Formula 1 there. That is fucking wild. Those guys are flying. They're going so much faster than regular cars. You really get a perspective when you've actually driven around the car in, like a GT car-

    26. TK

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      ... dr- to the track, rather. And then you see those guys. (imitates car revving)

    28. TK

      It's wild.

    29. JR

      Oh.

    30. TK

      And there's levels too. You know, e- every time that I think that I'm good at something, then you go with somebody that's actually good at that thing-

  4. 11:58 – 15:36

    Archery

    1. TK

    2. JR

      That's my spot.

    3. TK

      Yeah, I was there this morning. Got, um-

    4. JR

      I got a Archery Country T-shirt on right here.

    5. TK

      D- yeah.

    6. JR

      Let's go.

    7. TK

      I got six new arrows today. Um, I ...... shot through one of my archery targets and it hit the wood in the back. And I was, like, inspecting my arrow and I saw, like, there's this little tiny fine line along the side of it. And I was like, "You're done."

    8. JR

      Oh, carbon?

    9. TK

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      When you're shooting carbon, yeah, you gotta be really careful about that. A lot of those explode and they go through people's hands.

    11. TK

      Dude, I can't... I love those videos. I can't watch them, but I love them.

    12. JR

      (sighs)

    13. TK

      Do you watch them? You do watch them.

    14. JR

      Yeah, I've seen them. Yeah. I don't enjoy them. I check all my shit religiously though because of that. I used to... I had a Teflon glove that I tried to wear for a while. A lot of guys wear a Teflon glove-

    15. TK

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... to make sure that never happens. But it's like, it's never happened to me. I've been shooting a bow for 10 years.

    17. TK

      Yeah. I love it.

    18. JR

      Yeah, it's great.

    19. TK

      I've built a, about 180 degree 3D archery range in the backyard in the back three acres. You know, I got full-sized elk and-

    20. JR

      Oh, yeah. Nice.

    21. TK

      ... and, um, pigs and coyotes and, uh, bunch of little deer. So anywhere from 100 yards... And I hate that I have to say yards.

    22. JR

      Instead of meters?

    23. TK

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      We should have changed over. We almost did when I was in, like, I guess I was in high school and they were trying to change everybody over.

    25. TK

      It'd be just so much easier.

    26. JR

      It makes more sense.

    27. TK

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      America's so fucked up with that.

    29. TK

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      We're like, "Nah."

  5. 15:36 – 17:58

    Gun Regulations

    1. TK

    2. JR

      Salute, my friend. Cheers. Um, he's opposed to regulations with guns because he's like, "Regulations are the first step that they take, and the ultimate goal is to remove your gun." So we will not have regulations.

    3. TK

      Yes.

    4. JR

      Like, he's talking about this like in 2010 or 2011.

    5. TK

      Yeah. Well, I mean, he was following a playbook.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TK

      So he absolutely didn't believe that though.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TK

      Because he knew that in... You know, within a decade, he would be trying to confiscate every single gun that he could get his hands on and make transfer of pistols illegal, which-

    10. JR

      Illegal?

    11. TK

      It's illegal for-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. TK

      If I have a pistol and I want to sell you a pistol, I cannot. That's it.

    14. JR

      So wild. It's so wild how quick it changed over there. They used COVID to just enforce these sweeping legislations across all sectors. They don't have a free speech... They don't have a First Amendment over there. So they have hate speech laws, which could be interpreted so vaguely. And this is what Jordan Peterson was rallying against, like back when they had this bill that was set up to make people use someone's gender identity.

    15. TK

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      And he was like, "Well, what, what gender identity are you talking about? There's 78 current gender identities that someone can choose to identify with, including just complete nonsense-

    17. TK

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... made up words and you're just..." And it's gonna keep going. I don't know how many of them there are now. But he was like, "The only way you enforce this is with... You're gonna have to use force." And it's like the rule of law. Now it's like you're gonna send armed thugs to arrest people for not using made up words.

    19. TK

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, this is where this goes. Especially Peterson, who knows so much about communism and so much about where... The darkness that it leads down to.

    21. TK

      Yeah. I, I love that he approaches it both from, like, a philosophical perspective and a historical perspective. You know, he, he, he is so well versed and knowledgeable in, in ca- the, the argument that they're making from this position, this is where it leads to. And not only do we understand this in human nature, and here's a bunch of examples of it, but then also historically, here's a bunch of examples of it. So it makes it really hard to dispute what, what is really logical and, and rational and... Okay, if you're here and they want to go from point A to point B, this is the process for them to get there.

    22. JR

      Yes.

    23. TK

      And now you're like... Yeah, another brilliant man that does a lot of good.

  6. 17:58 – 23:08

    Public Schools

    1. TK

    2. JR

      Well, you need a guy like him who has such a deep understanding of history and also is a clinical psychologist who understands the human mind on a very, very deep level-

    3. TK

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      ... so he can explain things in a way that is-... a- almost impossible to refute. Like, he, he, he's got all his bases covered when he discusses a subject, and he can (snaps fingers) fucking pull it off of his head. The guy uses no notes, and he just will quote things and explain things in the most complex manner and make it pal- make it absorbable to everybody.

    5. TK

      Yeah. He and I are, uh, we're, we're in a parallel fight right now f- on the education side. You know, I have Apogee, which is, I have a physical school here, and we have online mentorship, and we're launching an additional 50 schools this year. Started a big, huge foundation, the Out- Apogee Foundation, all to just to try and, to turn this public school problem on its ear as we've indoctrinated this entire generation to hate America. Um, and you know, we're, we're in a really scary position. Military's having recruiting issues. Um, you know, w- we're having identity problems in every imaginable way with this, you know, Gen Z and Millennials just not knowing what their purpose is, and when you look at the public school system and Department of Education, it's just a broken system. Um, teachers are great. Most of them, a majority, I think have a real pure heart to do good, but they're in a system that is forcing them or they're allowing to manipulate the kids to radicalize them into, into really anti-American ideas. Um, and something has to change, 'cause the con- current trajectory, we're screwed. You know? The, the lack of individual responsibility, and as Jocko would say, "extreme ownership," of what the issues are and how to solve them are c- are absolutely absent. Um, you know, we, we have entitlement. We have, um, you know, ac- accepting these identities. We have o- obviously this mental health crisis, and all of it really goes back. When you look at the pandering that is happening in public schools for eight hours in a day, it's just like, there's no way that you could come out of that process not being jacked up.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. TK

      You know?

    8. JR

      You're gonna get, some of it's gonna leak into your brain. No matter how much your parents talk to you or no matter how much you have your own ideas about life, there's a certain amount that people just absorb from their atmosphere and accept.

    9. TK

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      There's a certain amount of it they, people just accept.

    11. TK

      And it's so manipulative when, you know, a third grade teacher is assigning you a project of, "Okay, you are a P- Palestinian freedom fighter here in the United States. What are some ways that you can help the Palestinians in Gaza be free?" Um, like, that is your assignment. Give me five examples. Or, even better, you'll get five points extracurricular, uh, for extracurricular activities where you went and did something to help, um, at a Palestinian protest, or pro-Palestinian. And it's just like, you, you've effectively radicalized a kid into a freedom fighter with one assignment. Like, they have no choice but to participate if they want to receive a good grade. Um, th- that, that w- that was on the news yesterday. That exact situation was happening, uh, and it's detestable. Like, you're-

    12. JR

      It's so bizarre.

    13. TK

      It's-

    14. JR

      It's so bizarre that people don't see where this goes. They don't see the end of it. And it's not to say that the plight of the innocent Palestinians is not a fucking terrible situation to be in. If you're stuck in Gaza ...

    15. TK

      Oh, man.

    16. JR

      ... under the rule of Hamas and then you have Israel just, like, detained, keeps everybody detained in this one area, it's not good for them either.

    17. TK

      No, 2.4 million people in the size of, in an area the size of Washington DC.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TK

      And I like that you used the word stuck.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. TK

      Because they are. You know, we have 240 hostages that are in Gaza, like, legitimate Israeli, American, uh, Brazilian. I- from almost every sin- single nation, there's hostages in Gaza currently from October 7th. Um, but the 2.4 million people, the Palestinians that live in Gaza, they are being held hostage by 30,000 to 40,000 radical Hamas, and about seven other radical organizations that are terrorist organizations. Um, so your word stuck could not be more accurate. There are great, peaceful, wonderful Muslims in Gaza, uh, that voted in a terrorist organization. When the PLO and Hamas were trying to figure out who was actually gonna be the ruling party of the Palestinian people, uh, Hamas won out, and now they are the size of a cartel being funded. Seven- $70 million a year from Iran is being pumped into Hamas, and all they're doing is taking every little bit of humanitarian aid and converting it into military resources. And those poor people, those poor Palestinians, are trapped in between all of this. It's, it's wild. It's such a complex problem that is, is solvable, but, like, it's heartbreaking when you look at the individual level of the kids that are there and the women that are there and the civilians that are there, are literally trapped. As you said, stuck. And, uh, how do you ... If you're Israel, how do you fix it? If you're a Palestinian, how do you fix it when it's so evident that Hamas wants one thing, which is the elimination and genocide of all

  7. 23:08 – 25:41

    Palestinian refugees

    1. TK

      Jews?

    2. JR

      And are there any Muslim countries that are accepting Palestinian refugees?

    3. TK

      No, they never have. Um-

    4. JR

      That seems insane, because there's all this support for the Palestinians. If you're Islamic, if you're a Muslim, and you want to support these Muslims, wouldn't you, w- wouldn't you support the idea that your country, this Muslim country, would accept those people, and they could be in a place where they could be free?

    5. TK

      Yeah. 22 Arab nations, over 40 Muslim nations internationally, right? There's one Jew nation, and that one Jew nation, Israel, has done more for the Palestinian people than any other nation ever. So it, it's, it's ludicrous and it's insulting to the Palestinian people to start throwing stones at Israel when in fact they're the only group that has been trying to protect and, in any administrative way, provide food, water, and resources to the people that are there. Um, f- over 40 Muslim countries, not one of them is accepting any Palestinian refugees.

    6. JR

      What is the answer to that? Like, why?

    7. TK

      ... th- they're a problem. That is, with the, with the radicals that are embedded inside of them, how did you- how do you differentiate between who is a Pal- a, a peaceful Muslim Palestinian to who is a radical that is working for Hamas? Like, how do you do that?

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TK

      So, as I'm getting evacuation requests two weeks ago and we're trying to be good, proper, judicious, um, servants, uh, how do I know that this name of this person is not trying to fill out an evacuation form to be assisted to move from an area that they're currently denied in, uh, where their area is- their area of movement is restricted for any other reasons besides that they need help? Like, it's a really hard multiple levels of truth to try to f- peel back to figure out who some of these people are and what their intentions are, and it's been that way for a really long time. You go all the way back to, like, 1987 when Hamas really started moving and fighting with the PLO for control of the Arafat... You know, when Yasir- Y- Yasir Arafat was meeting with Clinton and the Prime Minister of Israel and they're making negotiations in Oslo and all the way up to, you know, the First Intifada, to the Second Intifada, to then all the suicide attacks, pizzerias blowing up. Like, how do you determine who is good and who's bad? It's, do they have a suicide vest? Do they not? Or, like, what are their intentions? It's, it's wildly hard.

  8. 25:41 – 28:02

    The past 3 years

    1. TK

    2. JR

      You have been involved just in the last few years in two of the most heartbreaking scenes that we've d- seen depicted in the media. The, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, you leave that, and now you just got back from Israel.

    3. TK

      Yeah. (laughs)

    4. JR

      I mean...

    5. TK

      I'm over what's happened in the past three years. There's actually four consecutive... So, the day I got back from Afghanistan, because I went from Afghanistan to Albania and Brazil and Italy and Greece to try to have them take refugees. So my post-Afghanistan work lasted a few more weeks because there were a lot of Afghan refugees, um, and non-American citizens that weren't even Afghanis that we had to figure out where we're going to put. So that carried off, you know, the attack happened September 26th where, or August 26th, where the bomb at Abbey, Abbey Gate went off and the American service members were killed. And, uh, you know, we, we left a few days later. Two weeks later, we're now into mid-September, I come back and I immediately, the day I land, I get assigned to go down to the Mexican border. And I spent six months on the Mexican border on Operation Lone Star, part of a special operation task force combating cartels, traffickers, human traffickers, drug smugglers. So there was humanitarian crisis number two in my life in three years, which was the Mexican border. The- some of the worst stuff I've ever seen in my life. O- on par with Afghanistan, on par with what was the next one, which was Ukraine. The day I got off orders where I was legally allowed to travel or I was not. So when you're on orders, you have to do what the Army says, right? And the Army said, "This is what you're gonna do." So for six months, I was on this assignment at the border. The day I got off those orders, I'm back to a civilian Tim Kennedy, so then I traveled to Ukraine. I worked Ukraine, um, for a few months during that conflict and post-invasion, m- which was, again, horrible. Like some of the worst stuff I've ever seen. Come back and I get this, like, momentary lull whereas, like, I think like Israel, "Is this gonna be okay?" (laughs) And then this happens, you know, then October 7th happens and it was just... In three years for this level of horror to happen is, is, it's indescribable.

    6. JR

      It seems

  9. 28:02 – 30:43

    The border experience

    1. JR

      like it's ramping up.

    2. TK

      It is.

    3. JR

      What- y- so you're saying that the, the experience that you had at the border was as bad as anything?

    4. TK

      Oh yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, this is... I'm not gonna f- you're not gonna get me. I'm just gonna take a sip here. So we're in Afghanistan, right? Babies are stuck in concertina wire. Um, Taliban is executing civilians in the street to try to prompt Americans to, to do a response. Um, tr- to try and elicit some escalation, right? Uh, they're really just flexing to show that they were in charge. So that's Afghanistan on the ground. Burnt babies, you know, as I'm going out to try and find Americans or our allies that are out in the city of Kabul to bring them into HKIA and you're stepping over, like, small burnt babies. Like, it's the worst thing ever. Fast-forward three weeks. We're at the Del Rio River and there are 400 immigrants trying to cross the river. They have babies up on their shoulders and the, the coyotes, the traffickers, every single person that's in the river has paid the cartels to be escorted across the border. Well, concurrently, the cartel is about to smuggle 500 meters up the river two dudes with bundles of fentanyl on their back. So I'm dealing with this gigantic humanitarian problem of a few hundred people w- at night trying to cross a dark, cold, flowing water with babies on their shoulders, and what do the coyotes do? The moment that they start getting close to the shore, they just grab the kids (clicks tongue) down in the drink, down in the water. Babies are floating. Little children are screaming. Why would they do this? Because I have to spend resources of my personnel to flood to try to save these, these immigrants from drowning in the river. And I have to throw a ton of resources and people at them to try and save them so they don't die in the river. At the exact same time, the resources that I have to use personnel-wise here, they're getting guys successfully onto the shore with bags full of fentanyl as they run into the inland, into the interior. Um, and they know exactly what they're doing. They're making money by moving people while they're concurrently making money smuggling drugs and throwing humanitarian crisises at us so that they can move drugs simultaneously. And, uh, that's hard.... for people that are trying to do good, how do you choose which problem to attack? We had a service member that dived into the water to try to, to save a baby and he, he drowned. We, took us a week to find his body. A Texas National Guardsman dove in there to try to find a baby that had got pushed off.

    5. JR

      (inhales deeply)

    6. TK

      And he drowned trying to save her.

  10. 30:43 – 32:28

    Lack of resources

    1. TK

    2. JR

      (exhales loudly) Is it a matter of resources? Is there not enough resources being put into... Well, obviously, this whole thing reeks of, i- it's so terrible to say, but it seems like this is a concentrated effort, and not just from the cartel. It seems like this is something that's being allowed to happen.

    3. TK

      The benefit of... Th- there's lots. I mean, that's a hard question. (laughs)

    4. JR

      (laughs) Right.

    5. TK

      Um, Texas has a way different position than the federal government as to the immigration problem. And their approach are almost in conflict. So, when you get to like the real bad actors with, you know, sexual trafficking cartel members, um, drug smugglers, weapon smugglers, you know, of course you're gonna see federal assets being leveraged to attack those problem sets. But the large humanitarian problem, um, the federal government is gonna have a way different approach compared to the Texas government. The Texas government is like, "No, this is a legal immigration. We have lawful ports of entry. You have to legally come into the United States through a legal port of entry. And then once you're here, we will process you in accordance with what the Department of State says the immigration process is. 'Cause there's a rule and we're a country of laws, so you have to follow the law. Anything else is illegal." Um, the, the other side of that coin is the federal approach, which is, "Anybody that makes it across the border, you are now here and we're gonna process you." Um, which is insanity.

    6. JR

      Why do they do that?

    7. TK

      Um,

  11. 32:28 – 33:28

    Immigration

    1. TK

      I... (sighs)

    2. JR

      Do you think they're trying to bring in voters?

    3. TK

      Yeah. Yeah. Um, it grows the government. Uh, it's, it's more entitled people that you have to pay, more entitlement programs that you have to pay to support. You know, those people are immediately shipped into the interior. Uh, I, I find it comical, and I know people think it's not appropriate for the Texas government, they've been shipping immigrants to some of these sanctuary cities that, uh, they have said that they're sanctuary cities until they've actually received a lot of immigrants. And they're like, "Oh my God, we can't handle this number of immigrants."

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. TK

      And it's like 1% of what comes over the border every single day here in Texas that we have to deal with all the time. The, the Yankees, those north, they have no idea what it's like to be a border state. And the, the amount, just the tens and hundreds of thousands of people that are coming across every single day, it's, it's, it is, uh, it's criminal that they're allowing it.

    6. JR

      And

  12. 33:28 – 34:22

    When did it start

    1. JR

      when did it start? When did it ramp up like this?

    2. TK

      Um-

    3. JR

      This was never-

    4. TK

      Three years ago.

    5. JR

      ... three years ago. Oh, Jesus Christ.

    6. TK

      Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Tr- Trump put some pretty powerful laws in place and empowered the federal immigration laws for us at the border to have lots of tools to, one, turn somebody away, um, if you're coming across and you're claiming asylum. "Well, you have to go back to your country of origin or you have to go to the country that you're trying to cross from, and that is where you're gonna have your asylum, uh, process be determined." Um, you're not gonna come in and we're not gonna like allow you to go to San Diego and get to hang out in San Diego until your court date, uh, which is currently happening right now, right? You make it across. "Where are you going?" "I'm going to San Diego." "All right. Show up for your immigration court date-"

    7. JR

      Oh God.

    8. TK

      "...in s- in, you know, a year and a half from now."

    9. JR

      And everybody knows this, so

  13. 34:22 – 35:17

    Border Patrol

    1. JR

      that people are just coming across en masse.

    2. TK

      That's right. Just flooding.

    3. JR

      It's so wild to watch those videos of just enormous miles-long lines of people.

    4. TK

      Military age men, um, you know, that it's, it's so heartbreaking. And the men and women, you know, Border Patrol, um, Department of Public Safety, the Texas National Guardsmen that they're, that are working the border, they are so incredible. Selfless, hardworking, um, like love America and also love people. You know, they're, they're putting their lives on the line every single day to try to protect these immigrants, but also try to protect the law and the rule of law. And that's a really hard thing to, to reconcile, is what is the humane thing to do? And is that in alignment with what is the just thing to do? That's, that's hard,

  14. 35:17 – 36:36

    Terror Watch Lists

    1. TK

      but they're amazing.

    2. JR

      And, and then once people are here and they cross over, there's not a real screening process in terms of like who's a criminal, what, what your history is in your country of origin.

    3. TK

      Yeah. You wanna get a weird Google thing, google how many known people on the terror watch list have made it across. And, uh, it'll scare the crap out of you. So, Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, you know, we have this, these gigantic lists of people that are on terror watch lists, criminal watch lists. And the number of those that we have captured at the border of obviously is just going to be a drop in a bucket of those that have made it across. And, um, you know, it is, in light of what just happened in Israel where, you know, they flew paragliders over borders, over walls, and they, they crashed through walls, and then they were able to kill 1,400 people in one day. And then you look at the number... And that was, that was 1,000 insurgents total. Um, and then you look at the number of people that have been coming over the border for the past three years that we know are radicalized, that we know are on watch lists, um, it is, uh...... i- it is s- sh- it should scare the pants, like just scare the, scare you to death, the position that we're at. We're gonna have a real bad year.

  15. 36:36 – 37:18

    Global Travel Warning

    1. TK

    2. NA

      God dammit.

    3. TK

      Yeah. Department of Homeland Sec- uh, Security and the FBI yesterday, they talked about a bunch of known terrorist cells that are currently not operating. They are operating, but they're- they are looking for opportunities, targets of opportunity to conduct terrorist activities here in the United States. D- Department of Homeland- or, uh, Department of State just rel- released an entire worldwide warning to all Americans traveling abroad saying that it is dangerous for any American to be traveling anywhere in the world right now with the amount of terrorists cells that have now been activated.

  16. 37:18 – 37:58

    Steps Program

    1. TK

      Yeah.

    2. NA

      Fuck.

    3. TK

      Yeah, so if you're in the, the STEPS program, I think, what is it? It's, uh, Department of State S-T-E-P Smart Traveler something program that you get notifications. If you travel abroad, you should enroll in the STEPS program. But what it happens is today you would have gotten an email saying if you're gonna be traveling to every single country that you had enrolled in STEPS that you're gonna be overseas in, you would have gotten an email from them warning you not to go there because it's dangerous. So, if, if you were enrolled in, like, five different countries for STEPS, you would have got five emails today being like, "Hey, bro. Don't go there." Yeah, there we

  17. 37:58 – 38:58

    Global Caution

    1. TK

      go.

    2. NA

      Yeah, worldwide caution. Due to increased tensions in various locations around the world, the potential for terrorist attacks, demonstrations and violent actions against US citizens and interests, the Department of State advises US citizens overseas to exercise increased caution. US citizens should stay alert in locations frequented by tourists, enroll in Smart Travel Enrollment Program to receive information alerts to make it easier to locate you in an emergency overseas, follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter, and visit travel.state.gov.

    3. TK

      Yeah, this, uh, this crisis intake form and the flights out of Ben Gurion, that- that is ... So, Save Our Allies, the NGO that I was in Afghanistan for, the NGO that I was in Ukraine for, and the NGO that I was just recently in Israel for, Department of State, um, you know, th- they're an easy target to throw darts at sometimes. Uh, but they really do do great for the American people. Um, but there's always these gaps. Th- like, so if l had a v-

  18. 38:58 – 42:20

    Israel

    1. TK

      you're an American in Israel, right? You're a, a 75-year-old pastor that wants to go and walk where Jesus walked. You know, Israel is just s- such a beautiful place where, you know, there's two and a half million, or two and a half billion Christians in the world. There's 1.9 billion Muslims in the world. Um, there, there's almost 20 million Jews in this world. And guess where their one place that they think to be the holiest of holies are? That's right, in Israel. Right? Like, it is, it is the place for the largest religions in the world to all celebrate. So, you're a pastor and you want to go to the Jordan River because that's where Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Um, you are a Muslim and you want to go to the Dome. You want to, uh, the Dome on the Rock. You want to go to, um, the mosque that they- they're calling, their reason for attacking Israel was because they thought it was gonna be destroyed, which it never will be. It's protected by Israel. Um, whatever your motivation was, you get there, you're an American, and then this attack happens. American cancels your flight, United cancels your flight, um, every single airline cancels your flight, and the only airline left is the Israeli airline. You're wherever you are in Israel, maybe you're on the Jordan River, maybe you're up north in Haifa, maybe you're, like, way down south in a lot because you wanted to see the border of Egypt and this, you know, you're at the Gulf of Aqaba. It's like the most beautiful water that connects to, uh, the- the- the Red Sea. And you're an American tourist. You don't have the, the, the wherewithal of knowing how to travel in, in a, the middle of a war. And now you're getting a thing from Department of State that says you have to go to Tel Aviv and connect with us and fill out this crisis intake form for us to be able to g- help you get out. From where you are as an American citizen to where you need to be to get out of this country where 1,400 people are being raped, murdered, burnt alive, tortured, there's people being kidnapped and hostages being taken, and like, you're just an American that's now stuck here and every single airline has canceled your flight no matter how many times you've booked it. Maybe you've ... We had this guy had booked five new flights and every single one of those flights had been charged on his credit card and so then his credit card is frozen because he has just booked five next day flights that, you know, $3,000, $4,000 a piece and, you know, he's on heart medication. Maybe he, I mean, he's on insulin. Whatever the individual ... And we helped fo- almost 400 people get out of Israel, but the Department of State, as amazing as there are, there's these little gaps that somebody has to go and help them with that's comfortable moving in the middle of a war. And that's, that's really where S- Save Our Allies comes in is 'cause we go and fill that gap. Like, how do I find this guy in this hotel that is too scared to leave, doesn't know how to get a bus, doesn't know how to get a ca- taxi, doesn't know how to ... His tourist information or his tourist guide is like, "Hey, bro. H- um, uh, I'm gonna go down because my kibbutz just got murdered. I'm gonna go help my family that, you know, they're missing three of their family members." Of course they're gonna go and help, but now that guy is stuck, that, his family's stuck, that pastor's stuck. So, we had to go and find those people and move them to a place where they could get out of the country safely. And it was freaking hard.

    2. NA

      Whew.

    3. TK

      The, the volume of that is, like,

  19. 42:20 – 43:15

    Pastors

    1. TK

      wild.

    2. NA

      Jesus.

    3. TK

      We had a, we took, um, this rad two pastors, they're from California, and, um, we- we had a similar situation. They'd booked multiple flights.... they had, uh, an old pastor with them. You know, they didn't have the maneuverability of, uh, of being able to pivot with whatever existing flights. Ultimately, we had to drive them from where they were to Haifa, to put them on a private chartered airplane to fly them from Haif- Haifa to Cypress, where they could then fly from there to Athens and get home. Like, we had to privately source an airplane to fly them out of a place, to get them to a place that they could fly out of, because all other aircraft had been f- grounded, uh, so that two pastors could make it back to their churches in California. You know, they're literally stuck. It's, uh, yeah, crazy.

  20. 43:15 – 47:28

    Dealing with Traumatic Experiences

    1. TK

    2. JR

      How do you fucking manage your mind dealing with so many horrific and traumatic experiences over and over and over again just over a few years?

    3. TK

      That's what my dad just asked me. He s- but he asked me, like, way more pointed. He's like-

    4. JR

      "Are you okay?"

    5. TK

      ... "Are you okay, son?"

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TK

      It's like-

    8. JR

      I would be asking that too if I was your dad.

    9. TK

      Um, do you remember Mr. Rogers?

    10. JR

      Yes.

    11. TK

      We're old.

    12. JR

      Yeah, sure.

    13. TK

      Yeah. Um, he was asked a real similar question, and it was during the civil rights protests, where Blacks are being beaten in the street, you know, and, um, hippies are being condemned as, like, the next plague and pestilence that society could ever see. And, um, like, "What would you do with all of this evil happening around us?" And Mr. Rogers says, "Just look to the helpers. There's always people trying to help." And, um, you know, I'm thinking about the ground team that I had with me over there. Um, I can't even say their names because they're, they're amazing people, but we had JP, RT, Primo, and the most brilliant, from the expeditionary, special operations backgrounds, but the most selfless, hardworking... They're, they're, they're giants of humans. Like, I look at them just in awe of how capable they are and how selfless they are at the same time. Like, these are the most lethal humans on the planet. They could kill you a thousand different ways, but they're putting their lives on the line to try to rescue a pastor that can't book a flight. Um, you know, like, Israel would do anything to have one of these guys go with them and advise them about how to get into this shit show that is Gaza, into the tunnels that are controlled by Hamas, and what are we gonna do with Hezbollah at the northern border? How are we gonna stop the Taliban that just got permission to cross through Iraq? What are we gonna do with Al-Qaeda that just bribed a whole bunch more people to fly them into every single neighboring country? Like, but instead, they're just trying to rescue people. So to ans- a- ask you a question, when I'm down at the border, I just look to my left and my right and I see a freaking private that's three o'clock in the morning. He's sitting there with night vision, and he's like, "That kid just fell in the water," and the motherfucker's off. He's off. He's running down to the darkness to jump in the water to try and save a kid. Like, if you cannot find inspiration from that, and if you cannot find something that's gonna nurture and feed your soul and inspire you to do something good for the people around you, and look at the guys that I had with me in Israel. Like, I can't even... You know, the, the, the g- the group of people I had with me in Ukraine, like, I'm just astounded by these... And you know s- you know a whole bunch of them too that are just amazing people. I've been so blessed to have, you know, a short but successful fighting career, a successful military career that, that then went into a period of, like, successful business. And now I'm in a position where, like, man, I, I, I really wanna do good and there's all these things that I know are, people are really hurting in or they can't do, and I have experience, and a background, and connections that I'm able to solve these problems. I did so much evil and I dealt so much death, if I didn't try to do good now, like, I think I would really have a problem. But I'm good because I'm doing good. And there's something about that, doing good for other people. Like, when you're hurting, I don't think there's anything more important that you could do than do something for somebody else.

    14. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    15. TK

      And that, man, that just empowers you and it gives you purpose. And if I'm ever gonna think about, "Should I get up and work out today?" Well, I can think about August 24th, tw- 2021 when I had two kids in my arms and a f- and a woman behind me and we're having to run through Kabul to try to make it to Hakia while we're being chased by the Taliban. Cool. I wanna be in good shape, bro. You know?

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TK

      Um... Find people doing good. You know, as Mr. Rogers said, "Look to the people that are helping."

    18. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    19. TK

      And, uh, man, I'm good.

  21. 47:28 – 48:10

    Managing Your Mind

    1. TK

    2. JR

      Just keep your eyes on the good.

    3. TK

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      That's amazing that you're able to manage your mind through all this because I know a lot of lesser men would be destroyed by one of these experiences. And for you to have four of them concurrent over three years-

    5. TK

      That is a lot.

    6. JR

      It's a lot to handle.

    7. TK

      I would, I would really like, um, maybe in the next election cycle us to look at the past three years and, and, um, maybe I'm not ready for another four (laughs) , four years of this, you know? I don't think our organization could take it. I think the r- the Rolodex of people that wanna do good, um, with, uh... I can only ask somebody to go into a war-torn country to try to save Americans so many times.

  22. 48:10 – 50:01

    Propaganda Machine

    1. JR

      Well, unfortunately we've also demonized first responders and, and people that are in the military, and demonized people that are police officers and border officers. And it's just... This short-sighted, ridiculous approach for political purposes is just so fucking infuriating, and it's so weird that more people don't understand that, more people don't see it that way.

    2. TK

      Yeah. The propaganda machine is, is a powerful thing right now-... and I don't know how to fight it. You know, they, they have successfully demonized law enforcement. Um, you know, border patrol, you know, they take a photo of a guy riding on a horse, and a horse is the best thing you can possibly have on the border. If you've been to the Mexican border-

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. TK

      ... um, it is like, it's magic. I mean, you, you, did you hunt off horseback ever?

    5. JR

      No.

    6. TK

      Oh, dude, it's the best. And even, like, Southwest Texas, if you're going elk hunting or, like, you're gonna go bear hunting, you're gonna go cat hunting and you think you're gonna get up, you know, through in and around Big Bend on anything but a horse, you're crazy. Like, you better be on a horse. Um, and, uh, you know, there's one photo of a guy with his reins in his hand-

    7. JR

      Yeah, I've seen that.

    8. TK

      ... and, you know, they, they're like, "This border patrol guy is whipping." That's not what- what's happening. He was using his horse to block people f- to prevent them from putting their lives in danger by getting into this flowing river. And that's what he was doing. And, uh, and if they make it into the interior, like, it's a comp- the number of, of people that die from exposure once they make it across into the United States, but then they try to cross, um, like let's- let's say they came through Big Bend, um, do you know how big that place is?

    9. JR

      It's fucking crazy huge. Yeah.

    10. TK

      You know, we're, we're hunting in and around there and I'll come across a couple of immigrants, and they are... I mean, w- one, we find dead bodies all the time on ranches of immigrants that just die from exposure. It's just, you know-

    11. JR

      A friend of mine found

  23. 50:01 – 50:34

    Pro Hamas

    1. JR

      one, he has a ranch in South Texas, he found one-

    2. TK

      All the time.

    3. JR

      ... really recently.

    4. TK

      Yeah. And these g- these men and women on the border are trying to protect them. You know, similarly in the propaganda vein, this pro-Hamas, I just, it's w- you know, we were texting before we came on here, like, how fast things pivot, um, the rational understanding of a problem and how perverted it is from truth. Don't know how to fight this. This is a, this is a unique problem.

  24. 50:34 – 54:55

    Massive Protests

    1. TK

    2. JR

      It's very unique, and it's very strange. It's very strange to see massive protests on the streets that are yelling out in support of the people that did that on October 7th. And there was a professor recently that said he was elated when that happened.

    3. TK

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      And he was just suspended, which is crazy, that it's only that, but i- i- the fact that there's so- people that are so fucking detached from reality, and they have this very strange leftist Marxist philosophy that is so untenable with the reality of the world, and yet they're teaching kids this, and then they're talking about this openly, openly in public forums, openly in social media, openly in- i- i- in- in protests. It's fucking strange. It's so strange that people don't understand.

    5. TK

      It's dangerous.

    6. JR

      It's so dangerous, and for young people that admire those people or that are being taught by those people and don't know any better when that person's in a position of power and influence 'cause they're discussing these things in classrooms or discussing these things on, on social media, it's... I- I- I just don't understand it. I'm, I'm so confused. I never thought things would deteriorate this rapidly.

    7. TK

      When you... I'm, I'm disappointed, but I'm not confused. When you know the powers and the money that is being spent to try to destabilize America, um, when you look at our enemies, when you're looking at China, when you're looking at Russia, when you're looking at Iran, and the, the hundreds of millions of dollars they're spending in misinformation and disinformation, where they are perpetuating things that we 100% know to be not true, not factual, but they are very effectively... Um, I mean, it's- it's, uh, it's unnerving Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister for Hitler, you know, he had a playbook about how to spin truth and how to manipulate masses. You know, how c- how could you take what is a great, cool culture like the Germans were post-World War I as they're trying to find their identity, and they're trying to bounce back from a horrific war, and then, you know, by the mid-30s and late 30s, you know, they're- they're positioning to throw Jews into ghettos and then ultimately gas six million of them. Um, how can that happen so fast? And you very quickly realize that it was an effective propaganda misinformation campaign, where they were able to dehumanize and segregate certain aspects or ideas and then attach a name to those things, and a face to those things, and a people to those things. You know, we saw it here during COVID, the unvaccinated.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. TK

      And it happened fast. It happened in months. And the same way that police were demonized during the defund law enforcement and BLM movement. Now, we know it to be a complete hoax, a bunch of, um, liars that manipulated truth and data and what really happened. And are there injustices? Absolutely. Are we a perfect nation? Totally not. Is law enforcement perfect? No, for sure. But by and large, the vast majority do want to do good. Like it says, "Protect and serve," and that's what they raise their hand to do. But they're just de- they're being destroyed by this misinformation campaign. And Russia and China want it, you know, they, they want us to be fighting each other. They want pro-Palestinian protests. They want pro-Hamas protests. They want, "From the, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." That is a call for genocide. They're calling for... So the river, the Jordan River, which is on the east side of all of Israel, the sea, the Mediterranean, in between those two things is where Israel lies, 7.4 million Jews. They want that to not exist. They want no Jews to be there. So every time that you hear, "From the river to the sea," it is a c- call for genocide or an expulsion of all Jews out of Israel, and that is the call of Hamas.And guess who's paying for that thing to be seen on Cornell and in Harvard and in every single- That's right, Russia and China. They're being manipulated by a bunch of our enemies as they're trying to destabilize us in a region and here

  25. 54:55 – 57:15

    The Power of the People

    1. TK

      in the United States.

    2. JR

      And it's a vulnerability of our- that we have because of our freedom.

    3. TK

      Yeah. Yeah, but... Man, I love freedom.

    4. JR

      I love it.

    5. TK

      I do. (laughs)

    6. JR

      That's why I'm here.

    7. TK

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      That's why I moved here.

    9. TK

      I love- Th- the way that freedom would work was that there was an educated, empowered citizen that was individually responsible for themselves and their family, and they were in a position of authority over the government. That's how that document worked. Our, our beautiful Bill of Rights and the Constitution was because of the power of the people. And over the past 50, 60 years, our people have become fat, gelatinous, complacent, uneducated, um, subscribed to propaganda, radicals, um, aligned with agendas that are not pro-America. And in the course of this time, it makes that document have no teeth, right? There's nothing behind it because the government used to be scared of the people because the people when, you know, we decided to throw some tea in a harbor and the shot heard around the world, we went the people that- we went after the people that were attacking us and that were, um, controlling us and we killed them and we pushed them off this land. And then we rent- then we wrote these founding documents that said, "The individual is going to maintain the power, that people are going to have the power." But the only way that works is if the people have power. And we've let that go bit by bit, diet by diet, day by day, lack of exercising of our f- of our God-given rights. We are now just soft. It's, you know, it's one of the reasons when I was kicking around with you, like, A, am I gonna- do we really wanna talk about this? This is tough, like I've 25 pages of notes here about the Middle East conflict, but ultimately I'm scared that that can happen here because we are so vulnerable right now as people. It's the reason that Sheepdog Response exists, my company, is to train the American individual to take their own security, to preserve and protect human life and be able to provide for the family. That's the mission statement. But right now, I don't know what percentage of Americans are capable of doing that. Like-

    10. JR

      It's a very small number.

    11. TK

      Very small.

  26. 57:15 – 1:17:55

    Freedom and Sovereignty

    1. TK

    2. JR

      Yeah. Frighteningly small. And that is, uh, being- it's being discussed as if somehow or another that small number is a strength that we are in somehow or another a more kind and a more equitable nation because people are so soft-

    3. TK

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      ... because people are so... It's just, it's- it's- I don't know how you have those two th- how do you have such freedom that allows people to have these protests, that allows people to have these differing perspectives and to speak about it openly and publicly, but yet still maintain the strength of the union when you have all of these external factors, all of these different countries and different organizations that are working to try to use propaganda and use money to destroy us.

    5. TK

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      'Cause that's really what's happening and that's like- that used to be like if- if you said p- there's people out there that are trying to destroy America, oh, you're some crazy-

    7. TK

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      ... right wing fucking alt-right. Well, G- goddamn it, how much information do you have to see? How much- how much truth do you have to see that you cannot deny that's in front of your face?

    9. TK

      That Russian interference into the election.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. TK

      Boldface lie.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. TK

      You know, they weren't interfering. They're perpetuating that they were interfering, but they weren't interfering, you know, like that Trump was being influenced by-

    14. JR

      Or that he was a Russian agent.

    15. TK

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TK

      Um, well, guess who was pushing that story? The Russians and China because it destabilized our election process.

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. TK

      So, your question is h- how do you reconcile having such freedoms where somebody can go and say something so detestable like praising a group of people that went and raped and murdered 1,400 people that currently have 240 hostages, like that's what Hamas has, you know, there's 30 to 40,000 Hamas operatives within Gaza. They have a ton of ho- like how- how can somebody have so much freedom to say that? Well, it's- if the people are prepared to be able to protect and preserve and provide, then if you're in a position of authority, sovereignty, it's this- it's- it's the next step past freedom. Sovereignty is what I want for me, it's what I want for every American. It's that they are in control of themselves. An external force comes and says, "Tim, I want you to take this experimental thing and give it to your child and inject it into them, please." I say, "No. Um, no, I don't need- whatever it is you're about to w- withhold from me because I don't do this thing, I don't need because I can do it myself." That's sovereignty, right? I don't need you to come and try and protect my family because I can protect my family. You know, like, come and try to mess with them because like my family is unattainable to anybody else, they're completely protected. Education. The reason I started these schools is because I do not want anyone else to have influence over the way that my children are going to learn how to be critical thinkers. I want them to be educated, I want them to be powerful, I want them to be cognitive in every single de- debatable subject to have the Socratic mind where they can sit and debate somebody like you with immense knowledge on all these variety of topics, but that, man, they're fierce. That's sovereignty. We have for lo- so long just given away every little bit of it whether it was post 9/11 or during COVID or after the next active shooter, you know, like in light of what just happened in Maine, you know they're going to be coming after-... they're gonna be looking for more laws to try and control more of the Second Amendment and, and limit the freedoms that we have. So, we, we know that, but we have to maintain this essence that is being American, which is the sovereignty, the individual responsibility that I am in charge of me.

    20. JR

      And what's infuriating to me about these mass shootings, and Matt Walsh did a piece about this recently, where he discussed the prevalence of psychoactive drugs, the prev- prevalence of psychiatric medications amongst school shooters, amongst mass shooters-

    21. TK

      Yep.

    22. JR

      ... that it is fucking off the charts.

    23. TK

      Yeah. (laughs)

    24. JR

      And they try to hide that. They try to hide that data by using gang violence as mass shootings.

    25. TK

      Yep.

    26. JR

      And they use, like, the, "Well, there's no data to support that all of that is like..." No, no, no. That's not true at all. There's a giant difference between gang violence mass shootings, which occur all the time, which are, also is something that no one's trying to fix. And then the, the actual people that strap themselves up and go into places where people are unarmed and just slaughter people.

    27. TK

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      Almost all of them are on something. They're almost all of them, they're on SSRIs, almost all of them are on some sort of-

    29. TK

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... anti-anxiety medication. Almost all of them are on something. And that we don't address that, it's not even talked about, that it's like fucking Voldemort. How do you say Voldemort?

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