Joe Rogan Experience #2059 - Adam Greentree

1. 0:00 – 2:12

   Backcountry elk return: documenting a brutal month in Colorado

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. AGAdam Greentree0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Hello, Adam Greentree.

   4. AGAdam Greentree0:13

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What the fuck's happening?

   6. AGAdam Greentree0:15

      (laughs) Everything.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      How are you enjoying my country?

   8. AGAdam Greentree0:17

      I'm loving your country, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      (laughs)

   10. AGAdam Greentree0:19

       It was good, um, it's good to be back.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Yeah, you were here, uh, you did another one of those wild backcountry elk hunts, which you haven't been able to do because of COVID, for three years?

   12. AGAdam Greentree0:29

       Four years.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Four years.

   14. AGAdam Greentree0:30

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Wow.

   16. AGAdam Greentree0:31

       And five years since the last podcast.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Did you document the whole thing like you did the last time in your internet stories?

   18. AGAdam Greentree0:37

       (laughs) I did, yeah. Yeah, I tried to capture as much as I could. Sometimes it's hard 'cause you're stuck in the moment, so the last-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   20. AGAdam Greentree0:44

       ... thing you want is, like, a phone in your face, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah, it does fuck with it, right?

   22. AGAdam Greentree0:47

       Yeah. So I couldn't capture it all, but I tried to at least mention everything that I was going through. But there was, like, one stage I just felt like I was in the war and, and I actually slipped between two fallen down trees and it f- I nearly broke me legs, like, straight across the front of me shins.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Oh, shit.

   24. AGAdam Greentree1:04

       And it's like, I didn't capture it and I'm sort of hurting, so it's, you don't get to see the whole story, but I reckon I at least give the people 80% of the story, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       What happened where you almost broke your legs?

   26. AGAdam Greentree1:16

       (laughs) Well, I was fucking rooted, for starters, like stuffed. Like, this is day 26 or something like that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       What does rooted mean to your people?

   28. AGAdam Greentree1:23

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       You do- you do know what it means, right?

   30. NANarrator1:26

       No.
2. 2:12 – 4:51

   Why elk hunting felt harder this year: winter kill, crowding, and wolf policy

   1. AGAdam Greentree2:12

      But it's like, at that point, (laughs) you feel like the whole world's against you, right? Really, really tough trip. Like, and I, I think a lot of the over-the-counter guys went through that this year. It was a really difficult year for elk.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:23

      Was that because of the heavy snowfall? Was it-

   3. AGAdam Greentree2:26

      So I think because of winter kill, for one.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      Yeah.

   5. AGAdam Greentree2:29

      And then a lot of the other states are not doing any over-the-counter anymore, so that pushed more people into Colorado. And then Colorado shut down some units and limited units because of the winter kill, so there was a lot of hunters jammed in the areas. I think the bulls didn't come down. So I think a combination of a lot of things.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:48

      Colorado's just reintroduced wolves, which is just... (sighs)

   7. AGAdam Greentree2:53

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      It's such a shell game, because when there's, like, stipulations to reintroduce wolves, like, Rinella's talked about this before. Like, they reintroduce wolves and then the idea is when the wolves get to be a certain population, then they will allow hunting.

   9. AGAdam Greentree3:08

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       But then the wildlife protection groups come in and they sue to make sure that you don't op- open up wolf hunting, so then they only can issue depredation permits to ranchers and p... You know, people don't like the idea of hunting wolves, and I get that, but you shouldn't also like the idea of rampant wolf populations-

   11. AGAdam Greentree3:31

       Mm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       ... that are invading into people's communities and eating their dogs and threatening children. Like, the reason why Big Bad Wolf and Little Red Riding Good and all that shit, there was a story, 'cause they used to eat kids.

   13. AGAdam Greentree3:42

       (laughs) So it was happening, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Yeah. They-

   15. AGAdam Greentree3:44

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       ... they ate people for a long fucking time.

   17. AGAdam Greentree3:46

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       Until people got wise and said, "You know, we should probably kill these fucking things." And that's what they did for the longest time, and then the greenies got in, like, (clicks tongue) "We need to bring the wolves back."

   19. AGAdam Greentree3:56

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       And it's generally people that have zero experience with real wildlife predators. There should be a balance, you know? There should be grizzly bears, there should be mountain lions. It's not like anybody wants to eradicate those things. But reintroducing wolves, especially what they did with Montana, they took those big ass Canadian wolves and brought 'em down, it's like, (sighs) .

   21. AGAdam Greentree4:15

       Yeah. Well, like you know me, I, like, I do think there needs to be a balance, and I think people, hunters, are part of that balance as well, you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       Yeah.

   23. AGAdam Greentree4:23

       Um, and I think a big part of that, you know, is keeping everything in check, you know? So if the, if the elk population's too big, then there should be more tags. Like, it's a really good system over here in that sense-

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Yeah.

   25. AGAdam Greentree4:35

       ... in America. And then if there's a winter kill, like there just has been this last season, then yeah, limit the tags and things like that, so. 'Cause I've been on a few hunts now where you don't feel comfortable shooting an elk because you're not seeing any. So it's just like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       Mm.

3. 4:51 – 6:58

   Ethics and uncertainty in OTC units: picking spots, feeling good about the harvest

   1. AGAdam Greentree4:51

      ... shit, I actually, I actually don't want to shoot an elk here. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't seem like there's enough elk here for me to be shooting 'em.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:58

      Right.

   3. AGAdam Greentree4:59

      And I, and I experienced that in a few areas this trip. And I remember, um, the last time I hunted, so four years ago, and Kimmie, my wife, actually said it to me, we, I think we hunted for 14 days and we hadn't seen a bull elk.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:14

      (laughs)

   5. AGAdam Greentree5:14

      And she, she's like, "Even if one steps up at this point, I'm not shooting it 'cause it doesn't feel right."

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      Yeah.

   7. AGAdam Greentree5:19

      You know, and it's true, but there could be lots of elk in that area at another time of the year, but hunting season starts, hunters go in and it sort of pushes them out. So it's a little bit hard to say, but yeah, you don't feel right. You know, you wanna shoot something that's in a good, healthy population.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      And now considering the fact that you are getting these over-the-counter tags, how do you know what units to pick?

   9. AGAdam Greentree5:39

      You, y- you don't.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       You're just guessing?

   11. AGAdam Greentree5:41

       Yeah, yeah. Just guessing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:42

       So are you going online, doing any research, using Hunting Fool, or-

   13. AGAdam Greentree5:46

       Yeah. So lot, (sighs) lots of research, yeah, Hunting Fool's super handy and stuff like that. Talk to the guys pretty frequent before coming up to a trip.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:52

       Mm-hmm.

   15. AGAdam Greentree5:53

       And then sort of just leaning on the hunting community a little bit, you know? And you've got guys, and this is what happened this trip, 'cause I'm starting from fresh again. It's been four years. The spots that I used to hunt elk in aren't like that anymore or they're limited entry now, so, and I didn't draw. So I am starting from the, you know, s- from scratch, from the drawing board. And then so I sort of leaned on the hunting community a little bit, and I had a few guys reach out. Well, I had a b- actually a bunch of people reach out, which was really nice and, "You know, try this spot. You know, I hunted here last year. You're welcome to join me in this camp." So I had a lot of that, which was really nice. Um, but even those guys don't know, you know? Like, y- you think you've got an animal figured out, like, fuck, think again, you know? Like, and, and that's-I think that's why I love bow hunting so much and it's so... I've constantly got a passion for it because you never actually fully work it out. Like, the, as soon as you start thinking you've got something worked out, you're fucked. Like, they'll change it up on you. And that ha- that happens to me every year in just about every species, you know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       Mm.

   17. AGAdam Greentree6:51

       So, you can go in there with as much knowledge as you like, and obviously that helps. But at the end of the day, that's why it's so good, so appealing.

4. 6:58 – 10:14

   Hard hunts, ‘vision quest’ mindset, and why Adam doesn’t chase easy success

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      Well, you like a crazy hard hunt, but th- these are nuts. The ones that you go on are really nuts, like the one that you did last, four years ago, that you documented where you had that close encounter with a grizzly bear-

   2. AGAdam Greentree7:10

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      ... and you had a bad pistol. (laughs)

   4. AGAdam Greentree7:13

      (laughs) Yeah. Fucking pistol. Ah, shit.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:16

      Yeah. That was a terrifying encounter.

   6. AGAdam Greentree7:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:19

      Like, the video of you with your gun pointed out where you can clearly see that the round's not chambered 'cause it does, it literally doesn't fit in there.

   8. AGAdam Greentree7:27

      Yeah. (laughs) It wasn't a good situation.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:28

      No.

   10. AGAdam Greentree7:29

       Yeah. It's- it's... I've sort of fucked myself because I- I wanna go to a place where there's just elk running around everywhere and stuff like that. But because I've done these hard hunts now, so, like, I can't go backwards. Like... And I'm not, I'm not lining myself up for a disastrous hunt. But, like, I want it to be that tough. You know? Like, I don't wanna go in on the first day and kill one, the trip's done.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Well, what would you do if you walked in, you saw a 350 bull on the first day?

   12. AGAdam Greentree7:56

       (laughs) I'd still shoot it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       Yeah, you have to.

   14. AGAdam Greentree7:58

       I would. You have to, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       Yeah. Well, you should never p- that's the old saying, right? You should never pass up on a bull on the first day that you would kill him your last day.

   16. AGAdam Greentree8:04

       Uh, I don't agree with that, hey.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       No?

   18. AGAdam Greentree8:06

       No, I don't.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       Why is that?

   20. AGAdam Greentree8:07

       Because what are you, what are you in it for? You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       Well, y- you're in it to kill a bull.

   22. AGAdam Greentree8:12

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       But there's also luck.

   24. AGAdam Greentree8:13

       Yeah, but I... (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Like, you can't spit on luck.

   26. AGAdam Greentree8:16

       Yeah. I think, like, day 27 broke me on this last trip. When I say broke me, it just, I just got to the point where I was completely satisfied, so I still didn't stop hunting. I was still gonna hunt till the very last day of season, which was the 30th.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       But you accepted your fate.

   28. AGAdam Greentree8:32

       But I accepted it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       Yeah.

   30. AGAdam Greentree8:33

       And that's what I actually went out there for, you know? And I started thinking about, "I'm not really here to kill a bull." Like, that's what's pushing me and getting me to that point. But I'm here for the whole package, right? And, like, like, you're time poor, right?
5. 10:14 – 15:16

   Australia’s game abundance vs U.S. tag systems—and the waste of aerial culling

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:14

      Not at all. And if I had 28 days to do what you do, I don't know if I'd do that 'cause what... But I guess what you're doing is, I mean, you hunt so much in Australia, and Australia is so game rich because there's so many invasive species in Australia. There's deer everywhere. There's stags everywhere. You have so many pigs. It's just like, it's a great place to get your meat.

   2. AGAdam Greentree10:37

      Oh, 100%. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:38

      Yeah. It's a fantastic place to bow hunt.

   4. AGAdam Greentree10:39

      I think, um, there's 27 huntable species in Australia and there's, like, one or two of them that actually need a tag, and that's it. And then, and- and open season on everything, you know? So, this, we don't have to wait for September to roll around to go and get some meat or have a hunt or something like that, so it's-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:57

      Which is nice.

   6. AGAdam Greentree10:58

      It is. It's- it's friggin' awesome.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      Yeah.

   8. AGAdam Greentree11:00

      But we don't have the system that you have in America either, which is... And it's crazy that Australia doesn't have it because these animals are a resource.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:09

      Yeah.

   10. AGAdam Greentree11:10

       And- and they're not, they're- they're not treated as a resource at the moment. We've just fully labeled them as feral animals, and then it sort of just gives everyone the right just to kill them in any way possible. And that, so they- they're chopper shooting them. Well, they have been for the last few years. They just go around aerial culling them and they just shoot them and leave them there and the meat just rots on the ground.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       Do they do that just to reduce population, to reduce the possibility of diseases?

   12. AGAdam Greentree11:35

       Well, there's no diseases in any of our, um, red meat animals that can be passed onto humans, so it's not so much for disease. There is a threat of foot rot, which they have in some parts of Asia. But, th- they... Basically, Australia is just saying, "Let's eradicate them." They want zero of these animals.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       Oh, God.

   14. AGAdam Greentree11:54

       Yeah. Yeah. And then so they shoot-

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       Why?

   16. AGAdam Greentree11:56

       They shoot thousands and thousands of deer. Thousands of them, and just... Like, this is just in a month. They'll shoot thousands of them, just leave them to rot on the ground. It's insane.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       Do they do it because they think they're a nuisance? Like-

   18. AGAdam Greentree12:07

       They do, yeah. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       But they're delicious.

   20. AGAdam Greentree12:10

       They are delicious.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       (laughs)

   22. AGAdam Greentree12:11

       And they're no more th- of a nuisance than- than cattle or sheep.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       Right.

   24. AGAdam Greentree12:15

       You know, if they're talking about erosion and stuff like that, well, like, a- or introduced species, cattle and sheep are introduced species.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       Yeah.

   26. AGAdam Greentree12:22

       Shit, we're introduced species in some places, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:25

       Are they talking about it because of erosion? Like, what are they saying the nuisance is?

   28. AGAdam Greentree12:28

       They... A big part of it's erosion. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:30

       Hm.

   30. AGAdam Greentree12:31

       Then damage to, like, trees and fences and stuff like that. And- and- and that's true to a certain degree.D- but, yeah, it's just-
6. 15:16 – 17:00

   Game meat ‘gaminess’ is usually bad handling: cooling, field care, and temperature control

   1. AGAdam Greentree15:16

      Once, and once you get a taste for it, and, like, I don't even taste the gaminess to any meat anymore 'cause that, that's pretty much all we eat at home. But once you've eaten game meat and then you go and buy store meat and eat it, it's the blandest shit going. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      I don't understand-

   3. AGAdam Greentree15:29

      And no one knows it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      ... that term, gamey. I mean, I think when people say gamey meat and they're thinking about that, they're thinking about someone who has handled meat incorrectly.

   5. AGAdam Greentree15:39

      That's spot on. Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      Yeah, if they let it sit out in the sun, they didn't cool the meat off-

   7. AGAdam Greentree15:44

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      ... quickly enough, they didn't hang it.

   9. AGAdam Greentree15:46

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       They did something wrong.

   11. AGAdam Greentree15:47

       Yeah, it's not prepared correctly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       Yeah, there has to be something wrong. B- unless you're eating something like a bear that's been eating a rotten animal, or I've, I've heard people catch, uh, they've eaten bear that have been eating nothing but fish and they're nasty.

   13. AGAdam Greentree16:03

       Yeah, okay. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       That makes sense.

   15. AGAdam Greentree16:05

       Yeah, it does make sense, yeah, 'cause I, like everyone's always said, like, like the tahr in New Zealand, "Oh, it's a smelly goat." You know? Or the pronghorn here in, here in America.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Right.

   17. AGAdam Greentree16:14

       'Cause they do have that smell to 'em. But once it's prepared, prepared correctly-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Yeah.

   19. AGAdam Greentree16:19

       ... oh, it's delicious. Amazing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       I think the thing about the pronghorn too is that you hunt them in the summer and it's very hot.

   21. AGAdam Greentree16:24

       Hot, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       And a lot of times people are dragging the carcass across the sage.

   23. AGAdam Greentree16:27

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       You know, and they just don't take care of it properly.

   25. AGAdam Greentree16:30

       No, whereas it's just being quick with it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Yeah.

   27. AGAdam Greentree16:32

       You know, like field dress it straight away. Like even before photos, you can knock the stomach out and stuff like that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Mm-hmm.

   29. AGAdam Greentree16:37

       And then set it up right, get it as cool as possible, 'cause you've only gotta, um, cool the temperature of the animal from what it was when it, when you harvested it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       Mm-hmm.
7. 17:00 – 18:55

   Ultralight backcountry logistics: weight savings, extraction plans, and relying on friends

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:00

      You know? What do you do, uh, in terms of, d- do you bring a cooler with you on any of these 28-day trips? 'Cause I know you-

   2. AGAdam Greentree17:07

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:07

      ... you actually cut a fucking toothbr- brush in half to save weight.

   4. AGAdam Greentree17:11

      Okay. So-

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:11

      I know you do a lot of radical shit to save weight.

   6. AGAdam Greentree17:14

      (laughs) Well, you have to, right? Every bit counts.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:16

      Yeah.

   8. AGAdam Greentree17:16

      A- including the bow and the accessories on it, you know? So I've, I'm shooting just carbon bows for the last 10, 15 years now.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:22

      Mm-hmm.

   10. AGAdam Greentree17:23

       Um, because that bow a lot of times ends up on your backpack, so it's like, what's the use of cutting a toothbrush down to a quarter? You know, and you've got, like, toothpaste for, to brush your teeth, like, three times in a month. Like, you do all that shit and then you carry a big heavy bow, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Right.

   12. AGAdam Greentree17:36

       A- unless you need a heavy bow to shoot really well, like obviously you, you know, you don't wanna step on your own feet like that. But, um, once I kill the- that's it. You're done. You're hiking the animal out. 'Cause you can't get a cooler back there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       Right.

   14. AGAdam Greentree17:49

       You know? And if you had a cooler in your truck at the trailhead and you're back there for 30 days-

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       Someone's gonna steal it.

   16. AGAdam Greentree17:54

       There's, there's no ice back there anyway-

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:56

       Right.

   18. AGAdam Greentree17:56

       ... or someone's gonna steal it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       Yeah.

   20. AGAdam Greentree17:58

       B- been pretty lucky at trailheads here in America. I've never had anything like that happen, but...

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Well, most people are respectful.

   22. AGAdam Greentree18:04

       Yeah, they are.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       But it just takes that one.

   24. AGAdam Greentree18:05

       It takes the one dickhead.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:07

       Yeah.

   26. AGAdam Greentree18:07

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:07

       And there are dickheads out there. (laughs)

   28. AGAdam Greentree18:09

       There is, yeah. So look, the second I kill, I'm outta there. And if I'm way back, I usually try and... I've carried 'em out before. I've had a buddy come in and carried 'em out. Um, I've had a guy with pack horses ready on, on call, so you kill, he comes in, you get it out. Um, or this trip I had a bunch of friends and guys that sorta were telling me spots to hunt, and they were pretty much on call and then i- yeah, I s- I sent 'em a photo. I dropped that bull, had the bull down, sent 'em a photo. They're like, "We're two and a half hours from the trailhead. We're on our way now." And then, yeah, by the time I field dressed it and prepped it, they rocked up with backpacks and then, yeah, three of us carried it off.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:48

       That's nice. So did you give-

   30. AGAdam Greentree18:49

       Yeah, it was sweet.
8. 18:55 – 21:16

   Crowded mountains, muzzleloader overlap, and ‘going radical’ after Kimmy leaves

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:55

      Now, this trip...So, did you stay in the same place for 28 days?

   2. AGAdam Greentree19:00

      I ended up moving, so, um, Kimmy, my wife, come with me for the first 15 days and it was hell. Like, day one or day two, we seen two nice bulls that were leaving the area and then we never seen a bull in there again for 15 days.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:14

      Mm.

   4. AGAdam Greentree19:15

      And, um, she actually had a bit of elevation sickness. We were climbing up one morning and she started feeling sick. And we get all like (laughs) , we're way out there and we get way back and we're climbing up this mountain and a gunshot goes, like, straight off in front of us, 'cause, um, Colorado's got muzzleloader at the same time.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:33

      Mm-hmm.

   6. AGAdam Greentree19:34

      And that was about the point that she's like, "Look, book me a flight. I'm gonna go home." It was one of the kids' birthdays. So then she went home and we're already doing pretty radical stuff, like back there. And then I was like, "Right, fuck it, now I'm-"

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:46

      When you say a gunshot went off straight in front of us, like how far in front of you?

   8. AGAdam Greentree19:50

      100 yards.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:52

      Was it shooting in your direction?

   10. AGAdam Greentree19:54

       No, it was shooting to the side. But still, like, that shit happens, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       Oh, yeah.

   12. AGAdam Greentree19:58

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       People just shoot into, like, movement.

   14. AGAdam Greentree20:01

       Yeah. But it was more to the point of (laughs) , it actually wasn't about our safety at that point, it was more about, "Oh, the hunting's not good, let's, let's shoot," you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       Mm-hmm.

   16. AGAdam Greentree20:11

       And, um, yeah, so she ended up going home and then I was like, "Right, I'm gonna go pretty radical now and just fucking, on a massive mission."

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       The muzzleloader thing, to me, is so strange.

   18. AGAdam Greentree20:19

       At the same time? Or are you talking about just shooting a muzzleloader all the time (laughs) ?

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:23

       Just all, all the time.

   20. AGAdam Greentree20:24

       I l- I-

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       I get at the same time it's weird because-

   22. AGAdam Greentree20:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:27

       ... why would you have a rifle in bow season? Bow season's quiet.

   24. AGAdam Greentree20:31

       Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       But the muzzleloader thing, in general, all it's gonna do is prevent you from getting a good second shot, 'cause there's muzzleloaders that you can shoot that are good to 100s of yards.

   26. AGAdam Greentree20:42

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       So it's like, you're not limiting the effectiveness unless you're saying that you have to shoot iron sights, and then e- aren't you limiting the ethical shots that you can take?

   28. AGAdam Greentree20:55

       You probably are, but how do you, how do you argue that and then traditional bow hunting, or even bow hunting-

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:00

       Oh, yeah.

   30. AGAdam Greentree21:01

       ... y- you know, 'cause it-
9. 21:16 – 24:09

   Archery technology spectrum: crossbows, traditional bows, and practice reality

   1. AGAdam Greentree21:16

      Yeah. I met a guy with a, um, crossbow this year. Not while I was hunting, it was after the hunt was done. And he said he's, he had a scope on his crossbow and he said it's accurate out to 140 yards.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:30

      Wow.

   3. AGAdam Greentree21:30

      As in, like, shooting a golf ball at 140 yards.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:34

      Well, if you've got a rest, that's the thing about a crossbow, you could sit it on a log.

   5. AGAdam Greentree21:37

      Yeah, that's nuts. Like, how much further can we go with this stuff, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:41

      Yeah, that's a weird thing. I he- I heard someone describe it like, uh, trans men or trans women competing against biological women.

   7. AGAdam Greentree21:49

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:49

      I mean, if you call yourself an archer.

   9. AGAdam Greentree21:50

      (laughs) That's a (laughs) good one.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:51

       Someo- someone described it that way. I think that's pretty accurate.

   11. AGAdam Greentree21:54

       Yeah. And then the traditional bow hunters are probably saying that about me and you shooting a compound sight.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:59

       Yeah. Sort of, but, you know, the traditional thing is weird too. Like, I get it, I get all of it.

   13. AGAdam Greentree22:06

       Mm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:07

       But I think if you're gonna shoot a traditional bow, you have to be a guy who's been practicing for a long time and you have to put a lot of hours every day doing that.

   15. AGAdam Greentree22:16

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       'Cause it's essentially like you have to judge just based on how far you know an arrow drops.

   17. AGAdam Greentree22:22

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       It's all in your head. Like, like, throwing a rock.

   19. AGAdam Greentree22:25

       Throwing a rock, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       Yeah.

   21. AGAdam Greentree22:27

       So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:27

       If you throw enough rocks...

   23. AGAdam Greentree22:28

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       It's not even throwing a rock, 'cause it's the same, it's like throwing a baseball.

   25. AGAdam Greentree22:32

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       You know? Like, you have to be really good at it.

   27. AGAdam Greentree22:34

       Yeah. I, I did it for about three or four years, like, pretty, like, hard up and the best way that I can sum it up is to be regularly successful with a traditional bow, I'd have 50 shots every single day. And I'd have 25 shots for form, minimum, and then I'd have 25 shots as in aiming to be... And, and so you had to do that every day. So once you get time poor-

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:59

       Yeah.

   29. AGAdam Greentree22:59

       ... like, it's really hard to keep that up. And then, and, and I was successful in doing it, but the beauty of a compound bow was, like, even if I was flat out at work, once a week I could shoot, the bow stays sighted in-

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       Yeah.
10. 24:09 – 30:17

    Backcountry bow setup: arrow count, gear failures, and fixed-blade vs mechanical debate

    1. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       Do you bring a lot of arrows with you when you go on these back country hunts?

    2. AGAdam Greentree24:13

       (laughs) On the Northern Territory one I do, yeah. This hunt? No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       The Colorado one how many are you bringing?

    4. AGAdam Greentree24:18

       Five arrows in the quiver.

    5. JRJoe Rogan24:19

       That's it?

    6. AGAdam Greentree24:19

       Yeah, yeah. I think-

    7. JRJoe Rogan24:20

       What about for practice?

    8. AGAdam Greentree24:21

       I, I actu-

    9. JRJoe Rogan24:21

       Do you practice at all when you're out there?

    10. AGAdam Greentree24:23

        I d- yeah, I think I took seven or eight, so I had a couple in the backpack this trip. And, um, 'cause I shot a grouse as well, so pretty much your arrow's done, 'cause usually you're shooting 'em off a branch. Um, and then I... One of the days, I stacked it pretty hard, like fell over and hit the rest and bent the rest down, or the re- rest shifted.

    11. JRJoe Rogan24:45

        Mm.

    12. AGAdam Greentree24:45

        Then I, so I had spare arrows to actually pull it back up and shoot my bow into place. And luckily it just sort of ripped that grub screw down, so I could see the position that I had to sit in and I had one shot and it was bullseye straight away, so. But I still wanted a couple of shots because of it, so.

    13. JRJoe Rogan25:00

        Yeah.

    14. AGAdam Greentree25:00

        But, like, you're going to shoot one bull-

    15. JRJoe Rogan25:03

        Right.

    16. AGAdam Greentree25:03

        You know, it wasn't like I had a mule deer tag or another tag with me. It was just like-

    17. JRJoe Rogan25:07

        Right. But sometimes, you have to take follow-up shots. Sometimes things hit branches.

    18. AGAdam Greentree25:11

        About five hours in the quiver, you should be all right. (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan25:14

        Yeah. You should be.

    20. AGAdam Greentree25:14

        You should be.

    21. JRJoe Rogan25:15

        Yeah.

    22. AGAdam Greentree25:15

        Especially if you're limited to a distance, you know.

    23. JRJoe Rogan25:18

        Are you still using those, uh, two-blade solid broadheads?

    24. AGAdam Greentree25:22

        Yeah. Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan25:22

        Which, what company do you use?

    26. AGAdam Greentree25:24

        I use Cayuga broadheads.

    27. JRJoe Rogan25:25

        Yeah.

    28. AGAdam Greentree25:25

        Yeah. So they've got a broadhead called a Pilot Cut.

    29. JRJoe Rogan25:27

        Why do Australians use those?

    30. AGAdam Greentree25:29

        Because they, like how can you tell if you're not hitting the bone or not, right? Like, I watched these videos of these white-tail dudes-
11. 30:17 – 41:03

    Release aids, ‘hot’ triggers, and target panic: hunting psychology vs target archery

    1. AGAdam Greentree30:17

       Yeah. You got, uh, we're getting that way. There's a lot of people shooting those broadheads now. But, like, you guys had release aids and sights, like, 10 years before Australia would go to it.

    2. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Mm.

    3. AGAdam Greentree30:26

       And if you shot sights in a release aid, you're a fucking pussy.

    4. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Really?

    5. AGAdam Greentree30:29

       Like, in Australia. Oh, shit, yeah. (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       You're a pussy?

    7. AGAdam Greentree30:31

       Yeah. (laughs) You're a pussy, yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       To know where you're shooting, to be able to shoot accurately?

    9. AGAdam Greentree30:33

       Exactly. And then I was hunting with an old friend of mine, John, and he had a release aid, and I'm like, "What's the big deal about those release aids, dude?" And he's like, "Well, have a shot of my bow." And, like, we're just sitting around camp-

    10. JRJoe Rogan30:45

        ... you were shooting fingers.

    11. AGAdam Greentree30:46

        Shooting fingers, like, always shooting fingers.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:48

        With a compound?

    13. AGAdam Greentree30:49

        With a compound, yeah. And open sights. Like, that's all you, that's all anyone done.

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:52

        Right, just instinctive.

    15. AGAdam Greentree30:53

        Timber arrows, dude. It was insane. Like, you had to spine test and check all your arrows and, like, twist broadheads to get 'em right-

    16. JRJoe Rogan31:00

        Mm-hmm.

    17. AGAdam Greentree31:00

        ... and glue 'em on and stuff like that. And he was one of the first sort of technical, what we'd call a technical bow hunter in Australia that I knew, and I remember him shooting, and it was just, like, seriously, like, golf ball size at 20, 30 yards, like, every time. I'm like, "How the fuck can you do that?" 'Cause you know, our arrows sort of had a spread of at least a tennis ball or slightly bigger, you know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan31:24

        Mm-hmm.

    19. AGAdam Greentree31:24

        And then I shot with his release aid, like, four or five times, and I'm just like, "Holy shit, what am I doing?"

    20. JRJoe Rogan31:29

        Right.

    21. AGAdam Greentree31:29

        'Cause it's just like pinpoint, pinpoint, pinpoint, you know?

    22. JRJoe Rogan31:32

        Just a l- a minimal amount of movement on the back end.

    23. AGAdam Greentree31:35

        100%.

    24. JRJoe Rogan31:36

        Yeah.

    25. AGAdam Greentree31:36

        And the same release every single time, and it's like, okay, you can't beat that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:39

        That's what so fascinating about archery. It's just one little tiny movement one way or the other as it translates 80 yards ahead-

    27. AGAdam Greentree31:45

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:45

        ... could be a foot and a half.

    29. AGAdam Greentree31:47

        100%, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:48

        Which is just so nuts.
12. 41:03 – 47:28

    Backcountry pressure explosion: deeper hikers, COVID-driven interest, and Adam’s 500-mile season

    1. AGAdam Greentree41:03

       I, I definitely know there's more hardcore guys out there now.

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:07

       Than ever before.

    3. AGAdam Greentree41:08

       Ever before, because y- uh, uh, like some of those places are 14, 20 miles into the back country.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:13

       Mm-hmm.

    5. AGAdam Greentree41:13

       And you're seeing, I used to see them to just get to five or six miles in the back country and I wouldn't see anyone.

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:18

       Right.

    7. AGAdam Greentree41:19

       All right, unless they were on horses or something like that, you wouldn't see anyone. This trip, I was further into the back country than ever before, and I seen 10 times as many hunters as ever before.

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:29

       Wild.

    9. AGAdam Greentree41:29

       So maybe we should stop talking about-

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:31

        (laughs)

    11. AGAdam Greentree41:31

        ... back, back country hunting.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:32

        It's too late.

    13. AGAdam Greentree41:33

        I know.

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:33

        We've romanticized it.

    15. AGAdam Greentree41:34

        And fit dudes.

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:36

        Yeah.

    17. AGAdam Greentree41:36

        Like carrying in proper camps, dude. There was-

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:39

        Yeah.

    19. AGAdam Greentree41:39

        There was one morning I got up, just had this massive snow storm like two days before. I'm like, "This is gonna kick the elk off. This is gonna be sick." And I'm way back there, there's no human footprints or anything like that, no frigging elk footprints either at that point. And like by the time you get back to camp, cook dinner, you're in bed pretty early, like 2:00, you know, after dark sort of thing. And you're, I'll say the word again, you're rooted, you know. So like you're, like you put your head down and you're fucking fast asleep two seconds flat. And I get up in the morning and then it's like dark still, and I climb out of my tent and there's like this light-colored blob like just across from me. And I'm like, "Fuck, what is that?" And then I, like I start walking closer to it and it's a te- a dude set up a tent like right near me, like 50, 100 yards from me. So he hiked in in the pitch black of night, dude, and set up his tent there. And then so I went back in the tent and I'm like, "Shit," like I've, like I've got company. Like this is, it's competition back then.

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:40

        Right.

    21. AGAdam Greentree42:40

        You know, there's no elk around, so last thing I need is another hunter like pushing in on me.

    22. JRJoe Rogan42:44

        Did he know you were there?

    23. AGAdam Greentree42:46

        I don't know if he walked in dark, in the dark, I wouldn't think so. But the other thing was there was blowing a gale and it's like one of the only flats and it's sort of like on a little saddle on the mountain, so it's probably-

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:57

        So limited amount of places to turn.

    25. AGAdam Greentree42:58

        Yeah, yeah-

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:59

        Yeah.

    27. AGAdam Greentree42:59

        ... and probably slightly out of the wind there compared to where he'd walked from.

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:02

        Was he cool?

    29. AGAdam Greentree43:03

        Well, I don't know. I didn't hang around to talk to... (laughs) ... talk to him.

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:06

        Oh. (laughs)
13. 47:28 – 1:16:55

    Australia’s apex predators: croc management, near-misses, and living with ‘salties’

    1. AGAdam Greentree47:28

       Oh, oh, shit. They're bad too at the moment.

    2. JRJoe Rogan47:31

       Are they bad in Australia?

    3. AGAdam Greentree47:31

       Yeah, they just seem to be more regularly everywhere.

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:35

       Yeah.

    5. AGAdam Greentree47:35

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:35

       Are you allowed to hunt them there?

    7. AGAdam Greentree47:36

       No.

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       Or are they protected?

    9. AGAdam Greentree47:37

       Yeah. I think you can get a permit, but-

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        Isn't that funny? You c- you shoot deer out of a helicopter-

    11. AGAdam Greentree47:43

        (laughs) Ah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:43

        ... but these fucking monsters that eat kids.

    13. AGAdam Greentree47:44

        Fucking monsters. Tell me about it. Tell me about it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:46

        What the fuck?

    15. AGAdam Greentree47:47

        Yeah, yeah, so about, uh, it was about 12 years ago now, um, we went into community, so like a aboriginal community, and they had had kids taken.

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:56

        Oh.

    17. AGAdam Greentree47:56

        Right? And that's their only water source and they had had kids taken out of that water source.

    18. JRJoe Rogan48:02

        (sighs)

    19. AGAdam Greentree48:02

        Pretty sad.

    20. JRJoe Rogan48:02

        That, that just drives me crazy.

    21. AGAdam Greentree48:04

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan48:04

        That dri- I just don't understand that. Kill those fucking things.

    23. AGAdam Greentree48:07

        So I... (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan48:07

        I'm not saying kill all of them.

    25. AGAdam Greentree48:08

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan48:09

        But kill everyone that's around people.

    27. AGAdam Greentree48:10

        Management, right?

    28. JRJoe Rogan48:12

        Jim Shockey was on the podcast a while back and he was telling a story about how they had actually hired him to go to Africa to hunt crocodiles.

    29. AGAdam Greentree48:19

        Yep.

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:19

        Because there were so many crocodiles they were taking people in this village, they would set up stakes in the water so that, the, the, the crocodiles couldn't go through the stakes-

Episode duration: 2:43:43