Joe Rogan Experience #2059 - Adam Greentree

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Adam Greentree 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Hello, Adam Greentree.

Adam Greentree 0:13 Hello, Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What the fuck's happening?

Adam Greentree 0:15 (laughs) Everything.

Joe Rogan 0:16 How are you enjoying my country?

Adam Greentree 0:17 I'm loving your country, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:19 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 0:19 It was good, um, it's good to be back.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah, you were here, uh, you did another one of those wild backcountry elk hunts, which you haven't been able to do because of COVID, for three years?

Adam Greentree 0:29 Four years.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Four years.

Adam Greentree 0:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Wow.

Adam Greentree 0:31 And five years since the last podcast.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Did you document the whole thing like you did the last time in your internet stories?

Adam Greentree 0:37 (laughs) I did, yeah. Yeah, I tried to capture as much as I could. Sometimes it's hard 'cause you're stuck in the moment, so the last-

Joe Rogan 0:43 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 0:44 ... thing you want is, like, a phone in your face, right?

Joe Rogan 0:46 Yeah, it does fuck with it, right?

Adam Greentree 0:47 Yeah. So I couldn't capture it all, but I tried to at least mention everything that I was going through. But there was, like, one stage I just felt like I was in the war and, and I actually slipped between two fallen down trees and it f- I nearly broke me legs, like, straight across the front of me shins.

Joe Rogan 1:03 Oh, shit.

Adam Greentree 1:04 And it's like, I didn't capture it and I'm sort of hurting, so it's, you don't get to see the whole story, but I reckon I at least give the people 80% of the story, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:14 What happened where you almost broke your legs?

Adam Greentree 1:16 (laughs) Well, I was fucking rooted, for starters, like stuffed. Like, this is day 26 or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:21 What does rooted mean to your people?

Adam Greentree 1:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:24 You do- you do know what it means, right?

Narrator 1:26 No.

Adam Greentree 1:26 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:26 Yeah, just guessing.

Narrator 1:27 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 1:27 Rooted means really exhausted.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Oh, okay.

Adam Greentree 1:30 Like, just, you're fucked, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:32 Right.

Adam Greentree 1:32 And, uh, I was coming back in the dark. You know, you're trying to, you know, um, conserve everything as you're going, so you're trying to use your headlight as less as possible as well. Like, you're out there for a month.

Joe Rogan 1:43 Right.

Adam Greentree 1:44 So a lot of the times, your headlight, yeah, torch is turned right down if it's on at all. So it's turned right down and I'm coming back down the mountain to camp. Pretty much stepped on one bit of deadfall, like a big fallen pine tree, and then slipped off it. And then there was another pine tree only, like, a foot apart. So I went between the two of them and normally about body weight come over the top of it.

Joe Rogan 2:05 (sighs)

Adam Greentree 2:06 And then, yeah, like, I just remember, I, like, at least bruised the bones 'cause it was hard to walk, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:11 Oh, boy.

Adam Greentree 2:12 But it's like, at that point, (laughs) you feel like the whole world's against you, right? Really, really tough trip. Like, and I, I think a lot of the over-the-counter guys went through that this year. It was a really difficult year for elk.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Was that because of the heavy snowfall? Was it-

Adam Greentree 2:26 So I think because of winter kill, for one.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 2:29 And then a lot of the other states are not doing any over-the-counter anymore, so that pushed more people into Colorado. And then Colorado shut down some units and limited units because of the winter kill, so there was a lot of hunters jammed in the areas. I think the bulls didn't come down. So I think a combination of a lot of things.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Colorado's just reintroduced wolves, which is just... (sighs)

Adam Greentree 2:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:54 It's such a shell game, because when there's, like, stipulations to reintroduce wolves, like, Rinella's talked about this before. Like, they reintroduce wolves and then the idea is when the wolves get to be a certain population, then they will allow hunting.

Adam Greentree 3:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:08 But then the wildlife protection groups come in and they sue to make sure that you don't op- open up wolf hunting, so then they only can issue depredation permits to ranchers and p... You know, people don't like the idea of hunting wolves, and I get that, but you shouldn't also like the idea of rampant wolf populations-

Adam Greentree 3:31 Mm.

Joe Rogan 3:31 ... that are invading into people's communities and eating their dogs and threatening children. Like, the reason why Big Bad Wolf and Little Red Riding Good and all that shit, there was a story, 'cause they used to eat kids.

Adam Greentree 3:42 (laughs) So it was happening, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Yeah. They-

Adam Greentree 3:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:44 ... they ate people for a long fucking time.

Adam Greentree 3:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Until people got wise and said, "You know, we should probably kill these fucking things." And that's what they did for the longest time, and then the greenies got in, like, (clicks tongue) "We need to bring the wolves back."

Adam Greentree 3:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:56 And it's generally people that have zero experience with real wildlife predators. There should be a balance, you know? There should be grizzly bears, there should be mountain lions. It's not like anybody wants to eradicate those things. But reintroducing wolves, especially what they did with Montana, they took those big ass Canadian wolves and brought 'em down, it's like, (sighs) .

Adam Greentree 4:15 Yeah. Well, like you know me, I, like, I do think there needs to be a balance, and I think people, hunters, are part of that balance as well, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:23 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 4:23 Um, and I think a big part of that, you know, is keeping everything in check, you know? So if the, if the elk population's too big, then there should be more tags. Like, it's a really good system over here in that sense-

Joe Rogan 4:35 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 4:35 ... in America. And then if there's a winter kill, like there just has been this last season, then yeah, limit the tags and things like that, so. 'Cause I've been on a few hunts now where you don't feel comfortable shooting an elk because you're not seeing any. So it's just like-

Joe Rogan 4:51 Mm.

Adam Greentree 4:51 ... shit, I actually, I actually don't want to shoot an elk here. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't seem like there's enough elk here for me to be shooting 'em.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Right.

Adam Greentree 4:59 And I, and I experienced that in a few areas this trip. And I remember, um, the last time I hunted, so four years ago, and Kimmie, my wife, actually said it to me, we, I think we hunted for 14 days and we hadn't seen a bull elk.

Joe Rogan 5:14 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 5:14 And she, she's like, "Even if one steps up at this point, I'm not shooting it 'cause it doesn't feel right."

Joe Rogan 5:19 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 5:19 You know, and it's true, but there could be lots of elk in that area at another time of the year, but hunting season starts, hunters go in and it sort of pushes them out. So it's a little bit hard to say, but yeah, you don't feel right. You know, you wanna shoot something that's in a good, healthy population.

Joe Rogan 5:32 And now considering the fact that you are getting these over-the-counter tags, how do you know what units to pick?

Adam Greentree 5:39 You, y- you don't.

Joe Rogan 5:40 You're just guessing?

Adam Greentree 5:41 Yeah, yeah. Just guessing.

Joe Rogan 5:42 So are you going online, doing any research, using Hunting Fool, or-

Adam Greentree 5:46 Yeah. So lot, (sighs) lots of research, yeah, Hunting Fool's super handy and stuff like that. Talk to the guys pretty frequent before coming up to a trip.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 5:53 And then sort of just leaning on the hunting community a little bit, you know? And you've got guys, and this is what happened this trip, 'cause I'm starting from fresh again. It's been four years. The spots that I used to hunt elk in aren't like that anymore or they're limited entry now, so, and I didn't draw. So I am starting from the, you know, s- from scratch, from the drawing board. And then so I sort of leaned on the hunting community a little bit, and I had a few guys reach out. Well, I had a b- actually a bunch of people reach out, which was really nice and, "You know, try this spot. You know, I hunted here last year. You're welcome to join me in this camp." So I had a lot of that, which was really nice. Um, but even those guys don't know, you know? Like, y- you think you've got an animal figured out, like, fuck, think again, you know? Like, and, and that's-I think that's why I love bow hunting so much and it's so... I've constantly got a passion for it because you never actually fully work it out. Like, the, as soon as you start thinking you've got something worked out, you're fucked. Like, they'll change it up on you. And that ha- that happens to me every year in just about every species, you know.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Mm.

Adam Greentree 6:51 So, you can go in there with as much knowledge as you like, and obviously that helps. But at the end of the day, that's why it's so good, so appealing.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Well, you like a crazy hard hunt, but th- these are nuts. The ones that you go on are really nuts, like the one that you did last, four years ago, that you documented where you had that close encounter with a grizzly bear-

Adam Greentree 7:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:10 ... and you had a bad pistol. (laughs)

Adam Greentree 7:13 (laughs) Yeah. Fucking pistol. Ah, shit.

Joe Rogan 7:16 Yeah. That was a terrifying encounter.

Adam Greentree 7:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Like, the video of you with your gun pointed out where you can clearly see that the round's not chambered 'cause it does, it literally doesn't fit in there.

Adam Greentree 7:27 Yeah. (laughs) It wasn't a good situation.

Joe Rogan 7:28 No.

Adam Greentree 7:29 Yeah. It's- it's... I've sort of fucked myself because I- I wanna go to a place where there's just elk running around everywhere and stuff like that. But because I've done these hard hunts now, so, like, I can't go backwards. Like... And I'm not, I'm not lining myself up for a disastrous hunt. But, like, I want it to be that tough. You know? Like, I don't wanna go in on the first day and kill one, the trip's done.

Joe Rogan 7:52 Well, what would you do if you walked in, you saw a 350 bull on the first day?

Adam Greentree 7:56 (laughs) I'd still shoot it.

Joe Rogan 7:58 Yeah, you have to.

Adam Greentree 7:58 I would. You have to, right?

Joe Rogan 7:59 Yeah. Well, you should never p- that's the old saying, right? You should never pass up on a bull on the first day that you would kill him your last day.

Adam Greentree 8:04 Uh, I don't agree with that, hey.

Joe Rogan 8:05 No?

Adam Greentree 8:06 No, I don't.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Why is that?

Adam Greentree 8:07 Because what are you, what are you in it for? You know?

Joe Rogan 8:09 Well, y- you're in it to kill a bull.

Adam Greentree 8:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:12 But there's also luck.

Adam Greentree 8:13 Yeah, but I... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:14 Like, you can't spit on luck.

Adam Greentree 8:16 Yeah. I think, like, day 27 broke me on this last trip. When I say broke me, it just, I just got to the point where I was completely satisfied, so I still didn't stop hunting. I was still gonna hunt till the very last day of season, which was the 30th.

Joe Rogan 8:30 But you accepted your fate.

Adam Greentree 8:32 But I accepted it.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 8:33 And that's what I actually went out there for, you know? And I started thinking about, "I'm not really here to kill a bull." Like, that's what's pushing me and getting me to that point. But I'm here for the whole package, right? And, like, like, you're time poor, right?

Joe Rogan 8:48 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 8:48 Like, you don't have a lot of time and there's a lot of hunters that don't have a lot of time.

Joe Rogan 8:52 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 8:52 Whereas I come over from Australia and I'm just like, "I've got 30 days."

Joe Rogan 8:55 Right.

Adam Greentree 8:56 So, you know, and I- and that's why I don't wanna kill on day one or day two. I would, like you said, if something stepped up, I would, but it's not so much about the kill. It's that whole package, you know?

Joe Rogan 9:06 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 9:07 And a, and a, and a big part of that package is breaking my own self down and getting past that point, you know? And I did. I put a video up and I was like... I fucking cried, you know? And it's just like... And, like, that's hard to show the people, but I do wanna show the people that it's just not about the kill, and it is hard. And it's not like, "Oh, there's an animal. I stalked it, I shot it, I killed it. I got the meat," you know?

Joe Rogan 9:29 Right. You're gone, you're going on, like, a vision quest.

Adam Greentree 9:32 Yeah. That's it.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Yeah. You're trying to find out something about yourself.

Adam Greentree 9:35 Yeah. I've got no interest in climbing Mount Everest, and I've said this many times before, but if there's a fucking animal at the top of it, I'll do it. I'll- I'll do it, you know? And I'll push meself to that limit. You know?

Joe Rogan 9:45 Yeah, I don't get the Mount Everest thing.

Adam Greentree 9:46 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:47 (laughs) I've been, uh, I've been offered to go with people multiple times. I'm like, "Yeah. Y- have a good time up there."

Adam Greentree 9:54 (laughs) Yeah. It doesn't look like a lot of fun.

Joe Rogan 9:55 There's a reason why there's no houses up there. (laughs)

Adam Greentree 9:57 Yeah. There's, like, one selfie at the top and then you're coming back down.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah. I mean, I understand it. It's the, uh, th- people enjoy doing things that are very difficult to do and I fully support them doing it. I just don't have any interest in it.

Adam Greentree 10:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:10 Yeah. It's just not- not my thing.

Adam Greentree 10:12 Yeah. It doesn't float your boat.

Joe Rogan 10:13 No.

Adam Greentree 10:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:14 Not at all. And if I had 28 days to do what you do, I don't know if I'd do that 'cause what... But I guess what you're doing is, I mean, you hunt so much in Australia, and Australia is so game rich because there's so many invasive species in Australia. There's deer everywhere. There's stags everywhere. You have so many pigs. It's just like, it's a great place to get your meat.

Adam Greentree 10:37 Oh, 100%. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Yeah. It's a fantastic place to bow hunt.

Adam Greentree 10:39 I think, um, there's 27 huntable species in Australia and there's, like, one or two of them that actually need a tag, and that's it. And then, and- and open season on everything, you know? So, this, we don't have to wait for September to roll around to go and get some meat or have a hunt or something like that, so it's-

Joe Rogan 10:57 Which is nice.

Adam Greentree 10:58 It is. It's- it's friggin' awesome.

Joe Rogan 11:00 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 11:00 But we don't have the system that you have in America either, which is... And it's crazy that Australia doesn't have it because these animals are a resource.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 11:10 And- and they're not, they're- they're not treated as a resource at the moment. We've just fully labeled them as feral animals, and then it sort of just gives everyone the right just to kill them in any way possible. And that, so they- they're chopper shooting them. Well, they have been for the last few years. They just go around aerial culling them and they just shoot them and leave them there and the meat just rots on the ground.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Do they do that just to reduce population, to reduce the possibility of diseases?

Adam Greentree 11:35 Well, there's no diseases in any of our, um, red meat animals that can be passed onto humans, so it's not so much for disease. There is a threat of foot rot, which they have in some parts of Asia. But, th- they... Basically, Australia is just saying, "Let's eradicate them." They want zero of these animals.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Oh, God.

Adam Greentree 11:54 Yeah. Yeah. And then so they shoot-

Joe Rogan 11:56 Why?

Adam Greentree 11:56 They shoot thousands and thousands of deer. Thousands of them, and just... Like, this is just in a month. They'll shoot thousands of them, just leave them to rot on the ground. It's insane.

Joe Rogan 12:05 Do they do it because they think they're a nuisance? Like-

Adam Greentree 12:07 They do, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:09 But they're delicious.

Adam Greentree 12:10 They are delicious.

Joe Rogan 12:11 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 12:11 And they're no more th- of a nuisance than- than cattle or sheep.

Joe Rogan 12:15 Right.

Adam Greentree 12:15 You know, if they're talking about erosion and stuff like that, well, like, a- or introduced species, cattle and sheep are introduced species.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 12:22 Shit, we're introduced species in some places, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:25 Are they talking about it because of erosion? Like, what are they saying the nuisance is?

Adam Greentree 12:28 They... A big part of it's erosion. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Hm.

Adam Greentree 12:31 Then damage to, like, trees and fences and stuff like that. And- and- and that's true to a certain degree.D- but, yeah, it's just-

Joe Rogan 12:40 But the benefit of the resource.

Adam Greentree 12:41 Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 12:42 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 12:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Especially if you want really healthy meat, it's just, it's everywhere.

Adam Greentree 12:47 Especially if there's people starving.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Yeah, and that doesn't make any sense.

Adam Greentree 12:49 And they're just being shot and left, it doesn't make sense.

Joe Rogan 12:51 That's so crazy.

Adam Greentree 12:52 It feels like we're living in the bloody Stone Age when they do that.

Joe Rogan 12:54 Yeah, it's just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Adam Greentree 12:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:58 It's so stupid. It just, I don't understand why people would accept that.

Adam Greentree 13:01 Yeah. And as a hunter, you, like, you, I get to see these animals up close, you know, and you realize that they are a beautiful animal and have a lot of respect for them. And then so you see, when you see that happening, it is pretty upsetting.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Yeah, that's a bummer. So have you been there when they've helicopter shot them?

Adam Greentree 13:15 Yep, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Oh. So you're out hunting and they're- (imitates gun firing)

Adam Greentree 13:18 Out hunting, you just hear the gunshots going off, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Oh, God.

Adam Greentree 13:21 There's a guy, couple of guys in Australia that just filmed it. They're hunting on private property and the helicopter comes over and is just, like, shooting right behind them and, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:30 And they don't care that you're there?

Adam Greentree 13:31 Nope. They don't care or they don't know.

Joe Rogan 13:33 Wow.

Adam Greentree 13:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:35 That's a bummer.

Adam Greentree 13:36 Yeah, it is a bummer. Yeah, it's pretty sad.

Joe Rogan 13:39 Why d- why do they have that attitude about it? Why don't-

Adam Greentree 13:42 Because they're just labeled and pushed as a feral, nuisance animal, and that's it. You know, and it's like, it's, it d- it... We don't have the same system as you do here, where it's like, every, all the hunters that I meet here full cherish the animal and the meat. You know, and they collect it all, you know, and it's not about, like, "Oh, you know, I'll just, I'll leave that part." It's like, "How much more meat can we get off it?"

Joe Rogan 14:02 Right.

Adam Greentree 14:02 "Can we trim a little bit more off the bone, you know?" And-

Joe Rogan 14:04 Right.

Adam Greentree 14:05 And even I'm like that. I can't take the meat home. I always donate it, whatever animal that I harvest here. But it is, it's like, "How much more can I get off it? What else can I take?" You know, and it's, and it's because so much passion and everything goes into it.

Joe Rogan 14:17 Why don't they let you bring meat back to Australia?

Adam Greentree 14:19 Uh, customs is really strict in Australia, and because there's no diseases in our red meat, I think they're really, really strict that they don't want that.

Joe Rogan 14:28 Well, how are they gonna get a disease from a dead animal with frozen meat?

Adam Greentree 14:30 (laughs) I d- I don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:31 More stupidity.

Adam Greentree 14:32 Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:33 It's so stupid. I've heard that they do that with Africa. If you bring an African animal back to the United States, you can't bring the meat back.

Adam Greentree 14:39 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Is that true?

Adam Greentree 14:40 Well, I d- I, 'cause I've never brought meat back into America.

Joe Rogan 14:44 Hm. Yeah, me too.

Adam Greentree 14:45 They only tried to take it into Australia. But I know that it's a no-go, so like I said, I've just always donated it.

Joe Rogan 14:51 But I think you can bring back meat from Australia to America.

Adam Greentree 14:54 You guys probably can, because yeah, it's so clean.

Joe Rogan 14:56 I know you can from New Zealand.

Adam Greentree 14:58 Yeah, so we can bring a certain amount into Australia from New Zealand, but it has to be commercially processed and packaged.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Mm.

Adam Greentree 15:06 So, which isn't a bad thing still, but look-

Joe Rogan 15:08 Right.

Adam Greentree 15:08 ... there's that many people with their hand up to take meat.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Right.

Adam Greentree 15:11 So it's, it's like nothing goes to waste when we harvest it.

Joe Rogan 15:13 Well, it's the best meat.

Adam Greentree 15:14 Oh, uh, it's amazing.

Joe Rogan 15:15 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 15:16 Once, and once you get a taste for it, and, like, I don't even taste the gaminess to any meat anymore 'cause that, that's pretty much all we eat at home. But once you've eaten game meat and then you go and buy store meat and eat it, it's the blandest shit going. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:29 I don't understand-

Adam Greentree 15:29 And no one knows it.

Joe Rogan 15:30 ... that term, gamey. I mean, I think when people say gamey meat and they're thinking about that, they're thinking about someone who has handled meat incorrectly.

Adam Greentree 15:39 That's spot on. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:40 Yeah, if they let it sit out in the sun, they didn't cool the meat off-

Adam Greentree 15:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 ... quickly enough, they didn't hang it.

Adam Greentree 15:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:46 They did something wrong.

Adam Greentree 15:47 Yeah, it's not prepared correctly.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Yeah, there has to be something wrong. B- unless you're eating something like a bear that's been eating a rotten animal, or I've, I've heard people catch, uh, they've eaten bear that have been eating nothing but fish and they're nasty.

Adam Greentree 16:03 Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:04 That makes sense.

Adam Greentree 16:05 Yeah, it does make sense, yeah, 'cause I, like everyone's always said, like, like the tahr in New Zealand, "Oh, it's a smelly goat." You know? Or the pronghorn here in, here in America.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Right.

Adam Greentree 16:14 'Cause they do have that smell to 'em. But once it's prepared, prepared correctly-

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 16:19 ... oh, it's delicious. Amazing.

Joe Rogan 16:20 I think the thing about the pronghorn too is that you hunt them in the summer and it's very hot.

Adam Greentree 16:24 Hot, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:24 And a lot of times people are dragging the carcass across the sage.

Adam Greentree 16:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:28 You know, and they just don't take care of it properly.

Adam Greentree 16:30 No, whereas it's just being quick with it.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 16:32 You know, like field dress it straight away. Like even before photos, you can knock the stomach out and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 16:37 And then set it up right, get it as cool as possible, 'cause you've only gotta, um, cool the temperature of the animal from what it was when it, when you harvested it.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 16:45 And then I believe, um, it can up or down about 10 degrees and it's still fine, you know, so it's just keeping it under that range.

Joe Rogan 16:53 Yeah, and somehow or another just getting it to ice quickly.

Adam Greentree 16:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 Yeah, having ice ready, having a cooler ready.

Adam Greentree 17:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:00 You know? What do you do, uh, in terms of, d- do you bring a cooler with you on any of these 28-day trips? 'Cause I know you-

Adam Greentree 17:07 No.

Joe Rogan 17:07 ... you actually cut a fucking toothbr- brush in half to save weight.

Adam Greentree 17:11 Okay. So-

Joe Rogan 17:11 I know you do a lot of radical shit to save weight.

Adam Greentree 17:14 (laughs) Well, you have to, right? Every bit counts.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 17:16 A- including the bow and the accessories on it, you know? So I've, I'm shooting just carbon bows for the last 10, 15 years now.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 17:23 Um, because that bow a lot of times ends up on your backpack, so it's like, what's the use of cutting a toothbrush down to a quarter? You know, and you've got, like, toothpaste for, to brush your teeth, like, three times in a month. Like, you do all that shit and then you carry a big heavy bow, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:36 Right.

Adam Greentree 17:36 A- unless you need a heavy bow to shoot really well, like obviously you, you know, you don't wanna step on your own feet like that. But, um, once I kill the- that's it. You're done. You're hiking the animal out. 'Cause you can't get a cooler back there.

Joe Rogan 17:49 Right.

Adam Greentree 17:49 You know? And if you had a cooler in your truck at the trailhead and you're back there for 30 days-

Joe Rogan 17:54 Someone's gonna steal it.

Adam Greentree 17:54 There's, there's no ice back there anyway-

Joe Rogan 17:56 Right.

Adam Greentree 17:56 ... or someone's gonna steal it.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 17:58 B- been pretty lucky at trailheads here in America. I've never had anything like that happen, but...

Joe Rogan 18:02 Well, most people are respectful.

Adam Greentree 18:04 Yeah, they are.

Joe Rogan 18:04 But it just takes that one.

Adam Greentree 18:05 It takes the one dickhead.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 18:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:07 And there are dickheads out there. (laughs)

Adam Greentree 18:09 There is, yeah. So look, the second I kill, I'm outta there. And if I'm way back, I usually try and... I've carried 'em out before. I've had a buddy come in and carried 'em out. Um, I've had a guy with pack horses ready on, on call, so you kill, he comes in, you get it out. Um, or this trip I had a bunch of friends and guys that sorta were telling me spots to hunt, and they were pretty much on call and then i- yeah, I s- I sent 'em a photo. I dropped that bull, had the bull down, sent 'em a photo. They're like, "We're two and a half hours from the trailhead. We're on our way now." And then, yeah, by the time I field dressed it and prepped it, they rocked up with backpacks and then, yeah, three of us carried it off.

Joe Rogan 18:48 That's nice. So did you give-

Adam Greentree 18:49 Yeah, it was sweet.

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... them the meat?

Adam Greentree 18:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:51 Yeah, that's nice.

Adam Greentree 18:52 Yeah, I donated to a couple of families that helped me.

Joe Rogan 18:54 That's nice.

Adam Greentree 18:54 Last trip.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Now, this trip...So, did you stay in the same place for 28 days?

Adam Greentree 19:00 I ended up moving, so, um, Kimmy, my wife, come with me for the first 15 days and it was hell. Like, day one or day two, we seen two nice bulls that were leaving the area and then we never seen a bull in there again for 15 days.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Mm.

Adam Greentree 19:15 And, um, she actually had a bit of elevation sickness. We were climbing up one morning and she started feeling sick. And we get all like (laughs) , we're way out there and we get way back and we're climbing up this mountain and a gunshot goes, like, straight off in front of us, 'cause, um, Colorado's got muzzleloader at the same time.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 19:34 And that was about the point that she's like, "Look, book me a flight. I'm gonna go home." It was one of the kids' birthdays. So then she went home and we're already doing pretty radical stuff, like back there. And then I was like, "Right, fuck it, now I'm-"

Joe Rogan 19:46 When you say a gunshot went off straight in front of us, like how far in front of you?

Adam Greentree 19:50 100 yards.

Joe Rogan 19:52 Was it shooting in your direction?

Adam Greentree 19:54 No, it was shooting to the side. But still, like, that shit happens, right?

Joe Rogan 19:58 Oh, yeah.

Adam Greentree 19:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:59 People just shoot into, like, movement.

Adam Greentree 20:01 Yeah. But it was more to the point of (laughs) , it actually wasn't about our safety at that point, it was more about, "Oh, the hunting's not good, let's, let's shoot," you know?

Joe Rogan 20:10 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 20:11 And, um, yeah, so she ended up going home and then I was like, "Right, I'm gonna go pretty radical now and just fucking, on a massive mission."

Joe Rogan 20:17 The muzzleloader thing, to me, is so strange.

Adam Greentree 20:19 At the same time? Or are you talking about just shooting a muzzleloader all the time (laughs) ?

Joe Rogan 20:23 Just all, all the time.

Adam Greentree 20:24 I l- I-

Joe Rogan 20:25 I get at the same time it's weird because-

Adam Greentree 20:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... why would you have a rifle in bow season? Bow season's quiet.

Adam Greentree 20:31 Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

Joe Rogan 20:32 But the muzzleloader thing, in general, all it's gonna do is prevent you from getting a good second shot, 'cause there's muzzleloaders that you can shoot that are good to 100s of yards.

Adam Greentree 20:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:43 So it's like, you're not limiting the effectiveness unless you're saying that you have to shoot iron sights, and then e- aren't you limiting the ethical shots that you can take?

Adam Greentree 20:55 You probably are, but how do you, how do you argue that and then traditional bow hunting, or even bow hunting-

Joe Rogan 21:00 Oh, yeah.

Adam Greentree 21:01 ... y- you know, 'cause it-

Joe Rogan 21:01 No, I get it.

Adam Greentree 21:02 ... it does take time to get it all.

Joe Rogan 21:03 I, I'm not saying it should be illegal.

Adam Greentree 21:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:05 I'm just saying, like, what are you doing? Like-

Adam Greentree 21:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 ... I would rather use an actual rifle.

Adam Greentree 21:09 Yeah, and just- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:09 Like a really sighted in rifle-

Adam Greentree 21:11 Get it done.

Joe Rogan 21:11 ... with a great scope and, you know, a good round, like a real rifle.

Adam Greentree 21:16 Yeah. I met a guy with a, um, crossbow this year. Not while I was hunting, it was after the hunt was done. And he said he's, he had a scope on his crossbow and he said it's accurate out to 140 yards.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Wow.

Adam Greentree 21:30 As in, like, shooting a golf ball at 140 yards.

Joe Rogan 21:34 Well, if you've got a rest, that's the thing about a crossbow, you could sit it on a log.

Adam Greentree 21:37 Yeah, that's nuts. Like, how much further can we go with this stuff, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:41 Yeah, that's a weird thing. I he- I heard someone describe it like, uh, trans men or trans women competing against biological women.

Adam Greentree 21:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:49 I mean, if you call yourself an archer.

Adam Greentree 21:50 (laughs) That's a (laughs) good one.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Someo- someone described it that way. I think that's pretty accurate.

Adam Greentree 21:54 Yeah. And then the traditional bow hunters are probably saying that about me and you shooting a compound sight.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Yeah. Sort of, but, you know, the traditional thing is weird too. Like, I get it, I get all of it.

Adam Greentree 22:06 Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:07 But I think if you're gonna shoot a traditional bow, you have to be a guy who's been practicing for a long time and you have to put a lot of hours every day doing that.

Adam Greentree 22:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:16 'Cause it's essentially like you have to judge just based on how far you know an arrow drops.

Adam Greentree 22:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:23 It's all in your head. Like, like, throwing a rock.

Adam Greentree 22:25 Throwing a rock, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:26 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 22:27 So-

Joe Rogan 22:27 If you throw enough rocks...

Adam Greentree 22:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 It's not even throwing a rock, 'cause it's the same, it's like throwing a baseball.

Adam Greentree 22:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:32 You know? Like, you have to be really good at it.

Adam Greentree 22:34 Yeah. I, I did it for about three or four years, like, pretty, like, hard up and the best way that I can sum it up is to be regularly successful with a traditional bow, I'd have 50 shots every single day. And I'd have 25 shots for form, minimum, and then I'd have 25 shots as in aiming to be... And, and so you had to do that every day. So once you get time poor-

Joe Rogan 22:59 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 22:59 ... like, it's really hard to keep that up. And then, and, and I was successful in doing it, but the beauty of a compound bow was, like, even if I was flat out at work, once a week I could shoot, the bow stays sighted in-

Joe Rogan 23:13 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 23:13 ... and you pick it up and away you go again. It's still hard, like, you're still-

Joe Rogan 23:16 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 23:16 ... fully handicapped.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 23:18 You know, so it's like, it's hard enough without being like, "Oh, okay, I'll go traditional bow hunting now." So I was just n- Northern Territory, Australia, like, last month and I had a couple of days with a compound and it was, like, had a brilliant hunt, like, that done really well. And I was like, "Ah, stuff it, I'll go with the trad bow for the next couple of days." And then so I hunted with the trad bow and shot a bunch of pigs and a buffalo and stuff like that. And then when I went back to the compound, I felt (laughs) like I was shooting a sniper rifle-

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 23:44 ... because the recurve's so hard, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:46 Well, I would imagine that that would help your compound bow shooting.

Adam Greentree 23:49 Oh, 100% it does. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 23:51 And, and so my effective range with a trad bow is, like, 30 yards, ideally I'm at 10 or 15. So even having the stalk in that close, which with traditional gear and then having the compound and being at, like, 40, 50 and being just like, "Oh, this thing's done," you know?

Joe Rogan 24:07 Right.

Adam Greentree 24:08 And shooting it, so.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Do you bring a lot of arrows with you when you go on these back country hunts?

Adam Greentree 24:13 (laughs) On the Northern Territory one I do, yeah. This hunt? No.

Joe Rogan 24:16 The Colorado one how many are you bringing?

Adam Greentree 24:18 Five arrows in the quiver.

Joe Rogan 24:19 That's it?

Adam Greentree 24:19 Yeah, yeah. I think-

Joe Rogan 24:20 What about for practice?

Adam Greentree 24:21 I, I actu-

Joe Rogan 24:21 Do you practice at all when you're out there?

Adam Greentree 24:23 I d- yeah, I think I took seven or eight, so I had a couple in the backpack this trip. And, um, 'cause I shot a grouse as well, so pretty much your arrow's done, 'cause usually you're shooting 'em off a branch. Um, and then I... One of the days, I stacked it pretty hard, like fell over and hit the rest and bent the rest down, or the re- rest shifted.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Mm.

Adam Greentree 24:45 Then I, so I had spare arrows to actually pull it back up and shoot my bow into place. And luckily it just sort of ripped that grub screw down, so I could see the position that I had to sit in and I had one shot and it was bullseye straight away, so. But I still wanted a couple of shots because of it, so.

Joe Rogan 25:00 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 25:00 But, like, you're going to shoot one bull-

Joe Rogan 25:03 Right.

Adam Greentree 25:03 You know, it wasn't like I had a mule deer tag or another tag with me. It was just like-

Joe Rogan 25:07 Right. But sometimes, you have to take follow-up shots. Sometimes things hit branches.

Adam Greentree 25:11 About five hours in the quiver, you should be all right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:14 Yeah. You should be.

Adam Greentree 25:14 You should be.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 25:15 Especially if you're limited to a distance, you know.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Are you still using those, uh, two-blade solid broadheads?

Adam Greentree 25:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Which, what company do you use?

Adam Greentree 25:24 I use Cayuga broadheads.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 25:25 Yeah. So they've got a broadhead called a Pilot Cut.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Why do Australians use those?

Adam Greentree 25:29 Because they, like how can you tell if you're not hitting the bone or not, right? Like, I watched these videos of these white-tail dudes-

Joe Rogan 25:36 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 25:36 ... shooting white-tail, and the arrow's hanging out of the white-tail this much. And they still kill it-

Joe Rogan 25:41 Right.

Adam Greentree 25:41 ... 'cause they got a broadhead that's fucking, like, 10 inches wide. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:44 Well, they're using a mechanical. Yeah.

Adam Greentree 25:46 Mechanical, and it just expands, and it opens them up. But, like, 'cause we're shooting buffalo, so I do that buffalo hunt once or twice a year. And then, like, some of our bigger deer, like the red deer, are pretty solid as well. With a two-blade broadhead, you can still split bone and punch all the way through the animal, you know. And it's like, if you shoot something in Australia using that sort of setup, like 70 or 80-pound bow, a good, like, micro-diameter shaft, so there's no restriction on the shaft actually passing through the animal after the broadhead, and a decent solid broadhead, if you're not picking your arrow up in the dirt somewhere out the other side, you're like, "Shit, where did I go wrong?"

Joe Rogan 26:21 Mm.

Adam Greentree 26:21 You know, and it's like, so there's, there's hardly any, what we'd call, like, flag in a animal where the arrow's hanging out of it. It's like punched straight through, hole in one side and out the other. Like, that's what you want.

Joe Rogan 26:32 I just know so many people that have made shots with those little single-bevel, small, tiny broadheads.

Adam Greentree 26:40 Heads.

Joe Rogan 26:40 And they just, you know, the animal will run so far. Whereas if you hit it with a good two-inch cut rage, that fucker's not going anywhere.

Adam Greentree 26:47 If you get past the bone, yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Yeah, but if you've got enough horsepower-

Adam Greentree 26:51 But if, if you've shot it in the right place, like double lungs is double lungs.

Joe Rogan 26:54 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 26:55 So if you have actually got double lungs, that animal's dead, you know, and it's just like ... But there's pros and cons to it, for sure.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 27:02 I'll, I'll lack a blood trail. Whereas you'll shoot something with your setup, and, and-

Joe Rogan 27:06 It's a crime scene.

Adam Greentree 27:07 Yeah. There's just-

Joe Rogan 27:08 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 27:08 ... y- there's this pain to the ground, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:10 Cam Hanes is shooting a four-blade.

Adam Greentree 27:12 Is he? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:12 He's shooting a carna-four.

Adam Greentree 27:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:14 It's like throwing a crap-

Adam Greentree 27:16 Who can, who can argue with what Cam's doing?

Joe Rogan 27:18 I know, but-

Adam Greentree 27:18 'Cause it's just shit just dropping everywhere around him.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Well, he wasn't forever. He would-

Adam Greentree 27:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:22 ... he would go with a Muzzy Trocar. That was his thing.

Adam Greentree 27:24 Yeah, yeah. I remember those days.

Joe Rogan 27:25 That little three-blade fixed head.

Adam Greentree 27:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:26 That's all he ever shot. And then, uh, Wayne Endicott's like, "You really have to try these." And he had, like, a questionable hit on a deer, and he's like, "Shit." And then he saw the deer run 30 yards and die instantly.

Adam Greentree 27:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:38 And he's like, "Whoa."

Adam Greentree 27:39 Yep.

Joe Rogan 27:39 And it's just 'cause you're just opening them up.

Adam Greentree 27:41 Yeah. In Lenile, shooting the rage, that trip with you guys.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 27:45 And, um, I made pr- like, a pretty average shot. Like, I'd expect the animal to probably run 100 yards before he pulled up and dropped. And it was just like, he ran 20 yards and just dropped.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Right.

Adam Greentree 27:56 And I was like, "Wow," and got over there. And yeah, it ... pretty much already field-dressed him and everything, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:01 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 28:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 28:02 Yeah. It's, uh, that's the weird debate amongst bow hunters.

Adam Greentree 28:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:08 Fixed-blade or mechanical.

Adam Greentree 28:10 When I really got fixed on a fixed-blade was, called this big red stag in, like, he'd come down through the, the mist. Like, couldn't even see him, just could hear him up there raking a tree, like in the rut, and then started calling and hear him coming down the mountain, and he sort of come, come slightly angling on but pretty much facing me. And I was like sh- like, "Shit, I'll wait for him to turn." And he was pretty much gonna come straight over the top of me. So I thought, "Oh, I can slip it in there." And as I shot, he turned, so I hit him right on that bone, that front leg bone, and it split the ball joint of the leg bone, like, straight in half, um, angled down, went in through a rib, through his heart, out through another rib and into the bottom joint on the far-side leg. And, like, it just dropped him on the spot 'cause it pinned his legs together. Obviously died pretty much instantly through the heart. And, uh, car- like, took all the meat out, de-boned it, thought I'd keep all those bones and boiled them out, and so it split four lots of bones to go through that stag. Otherwise, I was just wounding it.

Joe Rogan 29:14 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 29:15 And it was from that point there that I'm like, "I'll never shoot anything else." And I don't have to change, like, from shooting, you know, um, goats or deer, small deer, to shooting a massive buffalo. I don't change my setup.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Mm.

Adam Greentree 29:29 You know, so the arrow's always at around 550 grains. The broadhead's the same. I can resharpen them. So you talk about these long trips.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 29:38 And s- trying to save weight, I don't carry spare broadheads or anything, 'cause those broadheads-

Joe Rogan 29:43 Yeah, they're structural.

Adam Greentree 29:43 ... like, they'll pass through an animal, they'll hit a rock on the other side.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 29:46 You pick it up, you file it off. Then, you know, you get it razor-sharp, so it's shaving hairs again, and, and away you go.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 29:53 You know? It's th- that's why I like the setup. But every now and then, I'll have limited blood trail. I'm like, "Shit, I should be shooting a big expandable broadhead."

Joe Rogan 30:01 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 30:02 But I don't wanna change, you know?

Joe Rogan 30:03 I get it.

Adam Greentree 30:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yeah. It's that six-in-one-

Adam Greentree 30:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:07 ... half a dozen in the other.

Adam Greentree 30:07 And it's like, that's, like, nearly American hunting culture-

Joe Rogan 30:11 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 30:11 ... and the two-blade fixed broadhead's like Australian hunting culture.

Joe Rogan 30:14 That's why I asked, because everybody over there uses those.

Adam Greentree 30:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 30:17 Yeah. You got, uh, we're getting that way. There's a lot of people shooting those broadheads now. But, like, you guys had release aids and sights, like, 10 years before Australia would go to it.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Mm.

Adam Greentree 30:26 And if you shot sights in a release aid, you're a fucking pussy.

Joe Rogan 30:29 Really?

Adam Greentree 30:29 Like, in Australia. Oh, shit, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:31 You're a pussy?

Adam Greentree 30:31 Yeah. (laughs) You're a pussy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 To know where you're shooting, to be able to shoot accurately?

Adam Greentree 30:33 Exactly. And then I was hunting with an old friend of mine, John, and he had a release aid, and I'm like, "What's the big deal about those release aids, dude?" And he's like, "Well, have a shot of my bow." And, like, we're just sitting around camp-

Joe Rogan 30:45 ... you were shooting fingers.

Adam Greentree 30:46 Shooting fingers, like, always shooting fingers.

Joe Rogan 30:48 With a compound?

Adam Greentree 30:49 With a compound, yeah. And open sights. Like, that's all you, that's all anyone done.

Joe Rogan 30:52 Right, just instinctive.

Adam Greentree 30:53 Timber arrows, dude. It was insane. Like, you had to spine test and check all your arrows and, like, twist broadheads to get 'em right-

Joe Rogan 31:00 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 31:00 ... and glue 'em on and stuff like that. And he was one of the first sort of technical, what we'd call a technical bow hunter in Australia that I knew, and I remember him shooting, and it was just, like, seriously, like, golf ball size at 20, 30 yards, like, every time. I'm like, "How the fuck can you do that?" 'Cause you know, our arrows sort of had a spread of at least a tennis ball or slightly bigger, you know?

Joe Rogan 31:24 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 31:24 And then I shot with his release aid, like, four or five times, and I'm just like, "Holy shit, what am I doing?"

Joe Rogan 31:29 Right.

Adam Greentree 31:29 'Cause it's just like pinpoint, pinpoint, pinpoint, you know?

Joe Rogan 31:32 Just a l- a minimal amount of movement on the back end.

Adam Greentree 31:35 100%.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 31:36 And the same release every single time, and it's like, okay, you can't beat that.

Joe Rogan 31:39 That's what so fascinating about archery. It's just one little tiny movement one way or the other as it translates 80 yards ahead-

Adam Greentree 31:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:45 ... could be a foot and a half.

Adam Greentree 31:47 100%, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Which is just so nuts.

Adam Greentree 31:49 And it comes down to so much, the bow tune, your sight-

Joe Rogan 31:52 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 31:52 ... your- your release, the arrow, how straight the broadhead is. It just, there's so much to it, you know?

Joe Rogan 31:58 What release are you shooting these days?

Adam Greentree 32:00 So now I'm shooting a Spot Hog. Um, I'm not a techie guy (laughs) , so I don't even know the name of it.

Joe Rogan 32:04 You shooting the Cam Hanes one?

Adam Greentree 32:06 Yeah, like a Cam Hanes one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:07 The Whipper Snapper? Or no, the Wise Guy.

Adam Greentree 32:08 The Wise Guy, that's it.

Joe Rogan 32:10 Yeah, the purple one?

Adam Greentree 32:10 Yeah, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 32:11 Yeah, that's a good one.

Adam Greentree 32:12 ... I had a hunt in New Zealand, and I had a release aid that I'd been shooting for 10 or 12 years jam up on me, on a big red stag. I called this big red stag in, and, like, pulled the trigger, and it didn't go off. And then- and then because I pulled the trigger and it didn't go off, I- I looked down like, "What the hell's going on?" And then it went off, and it shot-

Joe Rogan 32:32 Oh.

Adam Greentree 32:32 ... between this red stag's antlers. Like, I'm lucky I didn't hit him and wound him. And that, like, they only need to fail me once, and I'm like, "Okay, I'm not doing that again."

Joe Rogan 32:40 Did you get grit in it or something?

Adam Greentree 32:43 They, they actually changed the metal material that they were using.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Is it a Carter we're using?

Adam Greentree 32:49 Yeah, yeah, they changed it. And I've had two since, and they've both done the same thing. They get jammed up. And like-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Ah.

Adam Greentree 32:57 ... l- like you'd see the amount of hunting I'm doing, I'm going through water, I'm going through dirt and grit, I'm going through crap, and it's just, like, it, like, properly locked up where it's holding onto 80 pounds without letting go.

Joe Rogan 33:08 Mm.

Adam Greentree 33:09 Um, and then so I mucked around up at my farm. Like, I can shoot out to, like, what- however distance you like. I'm up at the farm, and then I was try- like, trying to get it to go off, and I still couldn't get it to go off. And then so that's why I- I changed because that Wise Guy's got very limited moving parts in it.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 33:27 Um-

Joe Rogan 33:28 It's the most simple, really is.

Adam Greentree 33:29 It is, yeah. So I bought three 'cause I- I- I, now I keep one in the backpack, so I've just, like, Cryovaced it so no crap can get in i- in the ba- backpack, and it's just in the backpack sitting there waiting as a spare. Um-

Joe Rogan 33:40 Also, if you just breathe on that thing, it goes off.

Adam Greentree 33:42 Oh, yeah, it's sweet as.

Joe Rogan 33:43 It's so hot.

Adam Greentree 33:44 Yeah, I love it, and it's either loaded or it's not.

Joe Rogan 33:47 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 33:47 So yeah, I really like that.

Joe Rogan 33:48 It's very simple.

Adam Greentree 33:49 I like the belt buckle, though.

Joe Rogan 33:52 Better than the BOA?

Adam Greentree 33:53 Yeah, so I got the BOA one, and I don't like that you don't know that it's in the same position each time.

Joe Rogan 33:59 Right.

Adam Greentree 33:59 Whereas the belt buckle, I've got a mark on mine. You know, we talk about-

Joe Rogan 34:02 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 34:02 ... the littlest things help.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 34:04 So I've actually got a mark on mine so I know what one to do it up to each time. And yeah, it's- it's sweet.

Joe Rogan 34:09 The only thing that people don't like about the Wise Guy is that it's so hot that you can't get a surprise release. 'Cause you're essentially... If you touch it, it's going off.

Adam Greentree 34:18 Yeah, yeah. But I've always shot like that, and I don't wanna change.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 34:22 Like I- I, s- let's just say a deer bust out of the brush and runs past me.

Joe Rogan 34:27 You gotta be able to just make it go off.

Adam Greentree 34:28 I- I wanna be able to punch it.

Joe Rogan 34:29 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 34:29 What you would call punch it. It's like I'm on bang. You know, whether you're leading it by a foot or whether it's going slower and it's a couple inches, you're leading it by whatever. I- I've always liked shooting that.

Joe Rogan 34:40 I've been thinking a lot about that. You know, because I've talked to Joel Turner, and he br- brings you through, you know, that whole Shot IQ process. I think you can shoot a release and make it go off, but you make it go off while you're in control of all your faculties and you're not panicking-

Adam Greentree 35:01 Hm.

Joe Rogan 35:01 ... and you have a shot process.

Adam Greentree 35:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 35:03 I mean, if I have a hinge and I pull it back, for people that don't- don't know what a hinge is, a hinge is a release that you don't have a- a trigger. You're just rotating the release and eventually it goes off. Well, sort of, 'cause it gets to a click.

Adam Greentree 35:17 Mm.

Joe Rogan 35:17 And the click is saying, "Hey, we're real close." It goes click, it gives you an audible click, and what that is is to let you know-

Adam Greentree 35:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:24 ... that this release is about to go off.

Adam Greentree 35:25 Hm.

Joe Rogan 35:26 And all you do is pull and it goes off. How is that any different than keeping your shit together and putting a finger on it?

Adam Greentree 35:33 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:33 What I think it is, is a lot of these people, first of all, in the target archery world, that's a different world. Like, you're standing still. There's all these people watching you. You have a target. It's a bullseye. It's a circle and another circle. There's an X in the center, and all you're trying to do is make this absolutely perfect shot into the X, and you have all this time to set up and relax. And that's not the same thing as-

Adam Greentree 36:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:03 ... bow hunting.

Adam Greentree 36:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Bow hunting is a very different thing, and I- I think the anticipation of the moment and the extreme anxiety that comes with the animal being, it's really about managing that anxiety. It's not about whether or not you can make a trigger go off 'cause you can make a trigger go off and still have perfect form and shoot a perfect shot. Remy does it. Cam does it.

Adam Greentree 36:24 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:24 You do it. I just think it's experience.

Adam Greentree 36:27 I think... 'Cause there's some people that are really good on paper, but they're not good hunting.

Joe Rogan 36:31 Right.

Adam Greentree 36:31 And- and a big part of that is that... I try not to think about it 'cause I don't have a shot process, uh, a- and-

Joe Rogan 36:37 But you also shoot animals more than almost-

Adam Greentree 36:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:39 ... anybody alive.

Adam Greentree 36:41 Yeah, so I think I don't need a shot process, and I don't like to think about it 'cause that's when I think I'll fuck up.... right now, I'm just doing. I'm doing, that's it.

Joe Rogan 36:48 Right, you're doing it and it works.

Adam Greentree 36:49 It's as simple as that, yeah. And, and that's why I don't want to change either.

Joe Rogan 36:53 Right.

Adam Greentree 36:53 You know, 'cause I, I do see heaps of people go on the back tension and stuff like that. And I tried one years ago, and I missed an animal straightaway. So I'm just like, "Yeah, fuck that. It's done."

Joe Rogan 37:02 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 37:02 So.

Joe Rogan 37:03 It's one of those things where they say have to get worse before you get better.

Adam Greentree 37:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:06 So you, you do that and you get-

Adam Greentree 37:07 I don't want to get worse before. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:08 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 37:08 I just want to do -

Joe Rogan 37:09 I practice with a ba- a hinge. I've hunted with a hinge, but this year I hunted with a thumb button and, uh, I just had it set pretty hot. And I executed a perfect shot.

Adam Greentree 37:19 Yeah, nice.

Joe Rogan 37:19 But I went through a s- a thought. B- I have a process in my head. And, you know, I'd also had the luxury of having one elk hunt that was just a couple weeks before that, where I shot a nice elk and also I had shot a pig a few weeks before that.

Adam Greentree 37:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:34 So.

Adam Greentree 37:34 No monkey on your back.

Joe Rogan 37:35 Right, you have experience.

Adam Greentree 37:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:37 And I think a lot of people drawing on an elk in September is the first animal that you've shot-

Adam Greentree 37:42 Oh, I don't know how they do it.

Joe Rogan 37:43 ... in at least a year.

Adam Greentree 37:43 I seriously don't know how they do it.

Joe Rogan 37:45 I think that's where target panic comes from-

Adam Greentree 37:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:47 It comes from-

Adam Greentree 37:48 Because it's-

Joe Rogan 37:48 ... the uniqueness and the novelty of the experience. You're overwhelmed, like this is the moment-

Adam Greentree 37:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:52 ... you've been preparing for.

Adam Greentree 37:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:54 Instead of like, "Oh, I've been here before."

Adam Greentree 37:56 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:57 You know, if you've ever seen Remy shoot an animal, it's like he's been there-

Adam Greentree 38:00 Oh, yeah, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:01 ... so many times. He's just rock solid.

Adam Greentree 38:03 Remy just does it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:03 He puts the pin on it, and you know, hits the trigger, and it's the perfect shot.

Adam Greentree 38:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:08 And he knows what he's doing.

Adam Greentree 38:09 Yeah. I think-

Joe Rogan 38:09 He also shoots a two blade.

Adam Greentree 38:11 A guy said to me, um, he's like, "Oh, only 1% of over-the-counter hunters are successful." And I'm like, "Yeah, but they probably get to hunt three days in the season."

Joe Rogan 38:21 Right.

Adam Greentree 38:21 He's like-

Joe Rogan 38:22 How often do they even practice?

Adam Greentree 38:22 Yeah, I'm like, I just did 10 years of hunting-

Joe Rogan 38:25 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 38:25 ... in a, in a month, you know. So, and it's just like, and I came from a hunting rich environment-

Joe Rogan 38:30 Right.

Adam Greentree 38:31 ... like I'd, I'd just come back from the Northern Territory, Australia, and like had, like loaded up big time. And I'm just like, so all that pressure's off, but then when an elk bugled, I went to shit still, 'cause I'm just like, there's so much, um, not pressure, but it's just like there's, I wasn't seeing anything. So it's like this is your one opportunity-

Joe Rogan 38:51 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 38:51 ... or you're about to fuck it, you know? And it's just like, so there's all that pressure. So I don't know how American hunters do it, unless they're coming off the back end-

Joe Rogan 38:58 Well, that's the 1%.

Adam Greentree 38:59 ... of a hunt. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 That's the 1%.

Adam Greentree 39:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:01 I've thought about this a lot, because I'm very attracted to things that are very difficult to do, and I've always tried to figure out why are they difficult. Like, why are certain things difficult?

Adam Greentree 39:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:10 And it, a lot of it boils down to psychology. A lot of it boils down to the way your mind processes that moment. And there's something about bow hunting that is so unique in that every situation is different. You can have similar situations, "Oh, this is in a meadow. It's 60 yards. I've been here before. I know what to do. It's a minimal amount of wind, I don't have to worry about wind drift. I, I can handle this." But then there's, you know, like Cam shot this elk at two yards this year, and it, he was crouched down on a trail. He came to full draw. He expected the animal to go, like past him, where he'd get a broad side shot. It's like right in front of him.

Adam Greentree 39:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:53 So now he has to figure out what pin to use-

Adam Greentree 39:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:56 ... because, you know, the arrow comes out-

Adam Greentree 39:58 He's got, he's shooting at two yards with a 50-meter pin.

Joe Rogan 40:00 Yeah, you have to. That's what you have to use, yeah. You have to use a 50-meter pin.

Adam Greentree 40:03 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:04 That's literally what you have to use-

Adam Greentree 40:05 Yeah, that's awesome.

Joe Rogan 40:05 ... because the arrow's not coming... It doesn't, it doesn't hit its apex for quite a while.

Adam Greentree 40:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:09 So when it comes off the bow, it's coming off low. So if you shoot a 20-yard pin on a, an arm- an animal that's two yards away, you're gonna hit it crazy low.

Adam Greentree 40:19 Yep, yep. Yeah, nuts, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 40:20 Yeah, it's like it's so counterintuitive.

Adam Greentree 40:21 I love the idea that there's no two the same.

Joe Rogan 40:24 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 40:24 Like there's really, there's no two animals the same, there's no two situations the same.

Joe Rogan 40:28 No.

Adam Greentree 40:28 They might be similar, like you just said, like same yardage and that. There's no two that react the same and it's just, I think that's a big part of the appeal in hunting.

Joe Rogan 40:37 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 40:37 You know, is, is a part of that, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:39 Yeah. You are, you're essentially, every time you're doing it, you're getting an education.

Adam Greentree 40:43 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 40:44 And that's why a guy like Cam or a guy like yourself or Remy is so successful, because you have so much education. Whereas for a new person, the learning curve is so big. So when they say that 1% are successful, I'm surprised it's even one.

Adam Greentree 40:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 Out of 100 guys, how many of them prepare properly?

Adam Greentree 41:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:01 How many of them are out there really going, getting after it?

Adam Greentree 41:03 I, I definitely know there's more hardcore guys out there now.

Joe Rogan 41:07 Than ever before.

Adam Greentree 41:08 Ever before, because y- uh, uh, like some of those places are 14, 20 miles into the back country.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 41:13 And you're seeing, I used to see them to just get to five or six miles in the back country and I wouldn't see anyone.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Right.

Adam Greentree 41:19 All right, unless they were on horses or something like that, you wouldn't see anyone. This trip, I was further into the back country than ever before, and I seen 10 times as many hunters as ever before.

Joe Rogan 41:29 Wild.

Adam Greentree 41:29 So maybe we should stop talking about-

Joe Rogan 41:31 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 41:31 ... back, back country hunting.

Joe Rogan 41:32 It's too late.

Adam Greentree 41:33 I know.

Joe Rogan 41:33 We've romanticized it.

Adam Greentree 41:34 And fit dudes.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 41:36 Like carrying in proper camps, dude. There was-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 41:39 There was one morning I got up, just had this massive snow storm like two days before. I'm like, "This is gonna kick the elk off. This is gonna be sick." And I'm way back there, there's no human footprints or anything like that, no frigging elk footprints either at that point. And like by the time you get back to camp, cook dinner, you're in bed pretty early, like 2:00, you know, after dark sort of thing. And you're, I'll say the word again, you're rooted, you know. So like you're, like you put your head down and you're fucking fast asleep two seconds flat. And I get up in the morning and then it's like dark still, and I climb out of my tent and there's like this light-colored blob like just across from me. And I'm like, "Fuck, what is that?" And then I, like I start walking closer to it and it's a te- a dude set up a tent like right near me, like 50, 100 yards from me. So he hiked in in the pitch black of night, dude, and set up his tent there. And then so I went back in the tent and I'm like, "Shit," like I've, like I've got company. Like this is, it's competition back then.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Right.

Adam Greentree 42:40 You know, there's no elk around, so last thing I need is another hunter like pushing in on me.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Did he know you were there?

Adam Greentree 42:46 I don't know if he walked in dark, in the dark, I wouldn't think so. But the other thing was there was blowing a gale and it's like one of the only flats and it's sort of like on a little saddle on the mountain, so it's probably-

Joe Rogan 42:57 So limited amount of places to turn.

Adam Greentree 42:58 Yeah, yeah-

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 42:59 ... and probably slightly out of the wind there compared to where he'd walked from.

Joe Rogan 43:02 Was he cool?

Adam Greentree 43:03 Well, I don't know. I didn't hang around to talk to... (laughs) ... talk to him.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Oh. (laughs)

Adam Greentree 43:06 You know, like, you're in the zone.

Joe Rogan 43:08 Right, right.

Adam Greentree 43:08 And that zone's wild, so the last thing that you want to see is someone from civilization, right?

Joe Rogan 43:13 Right.

Adam Greentree 43:14 And then-

Joe Rogan 43:14 But occasionally, you know, you might run into someone like yourself, like, "Hey, what's up?"

Adam Greentree 43:17 Yeah, but, uh, they fucking notice me and then they tell their friends and they think I'm in a bomb spot. So then all their mates hang a-

Joe Rogan 43:23 Mm.

Adam Greentree 43:23 ... come, come in as well, you know? So he's trying to keep a low profile back there.

Joe Rogan 43:27 Right.

Adam Greentree 43:27 And, um, yeah, so then I just made me coffee really quickly. And I was like, "I'll go and sit on that." There's like a rock that I wanted to sit on. It's a perfect glassing point. That's why I camped in that spot. And then, so I made my coffee and looked up and he's walking up to the rock. (laughs) And this dude goes and sits on the rock that I wanted to glass from. So then I just high-tailed it, like, in a completely different direction.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Mm.

Adam Greentree 43:49 You know, and it's like, that, hey, we're both there not looking at elk. There was stuff all back there, but, but-

Joe Rogan 43:53 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 43:54 ... those sort of guys, uh, they're, they're out there now.

Joe Rogan 43:58 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 43:58 You know? And it's just-

Joe Rogan 43:59 When did that change?

Adam Greentree 44:01 Um, when me, you, and Cam and-

Joe Rogan 44:04 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 44:04 ... the Bubba Hunter started talking about fucking back country hunting. Like, I don't-

Joe Rogan 44:07 Was that when this was podcast?

Adam Greentree 44:09 I don't know. Or-

Joe Rogan 44:09 Probably.

Adam Greentree 44:10 Or was it COVID, dude? Everyone started realizing-

Joe Rogan 44:13 COVID changed it a lot. Yeah.

Adam Greentree 44:13 ... like, "Fuck, I better start looking at defending for myself."

Joe Rogan 44:17 Yes. I think defending for yourself and being able to gather food-

Adam Greentree 44:21 Mm.

Joe Rogan 44:21 ... that's, that's a big deal.

Adam Greentree 44:23 Yeah, I know during COVID I just got swamped with messages, like, "How do I start in bow hunting?" Like, "How do I get a start in it?" Like, "I wanna go-"

Joe Rogan 44:32 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 44:32 And 'cause, like, that, like, it's one of the most amazing things there is, that I think people are missing out on, is going and harvesting your own meat.

Joe Rogan 44:40 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 44:40 You know, and I say it all the time, it's like, I hate being labeled as a hunter. Like, I'm just, we're just human. And like, I really do think hunting's a big part of being a human. I don't think everyone can do it, you know, and I don't want everyone to do it because look what I'm having a bitch about right now. Like, you get to a trailhead, there's 30 other cars at the trailhead, and it's, like, rough, hard country and there's 30 other cars there. Most of those cars have multiple people in them, so there's that many people, you know, sort of walking around in the wilderness.

Joe Rogan 45:08 You just gotta go deeper.

Adam Greentree 45:10 You do. (laughs) You, like, like-

Joe Rogan 45:12 Or find spots that they don't know about, but that's the thing about you coming over from Australia. That's not really an option.

Adam Greentree 45:16 That's not, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Like, there's a lot of guys that spend so much time scouting.

Adam Greentree 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:22 And so much time e-scouting.

Adam Greentree 45:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Like, they're, they're looking on, you know-

Adam Greentree 45:25 I'd be, I'd be-

Joe Rogan 45:25 ... Onyx Hunt.

Adam Greentree 45:26 I'd be better next year, if that makes sense, 'cause I already done so much land and walking this year that it's sort of-

Joe Rogan 45:32 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 45:32 ... "Oh, there's no sign there. There's no sign there. There's no sign."

Joe Rogan 45:35 Right.

Adam Greentree 45:35 Even older sign, you know, like, I've constantly taken note of, like, the trees that have been nibbled at by the elk in the winter, so they winter there. Or where there's a shed antler, you know, you're sort of taking all that sort of thing in and, "Oh, there was heaps of hunters there, so I stay away from that. Oh, there was bugger all hunters there." So as long as I get to follow it up next year, I think I'm better off.

Joe Rogan 45:55 Right.

Adam Greentree 45:56 You know?

Joe Rogan 45:56 So next year you'll try to do the same sort of situation?

Adam Greentree 45:58 Yeah, but it's that whole, "I'm trying to make it harder. I don't wanna go backwards." So, like, I...

Joe Rogan 46:04 So you'd rather have less information and make it harder?

Adam Greentree 46:07 Sort of.

Joe Rogan 46:08 'Cause you wanna learn on the spot?

Adam Greentree 46:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:11 You're just like punishment.

Adam Greentree 46:12 The, the big thing-

Joe Rogan 46:12 You're a glutton for punishment.

Adam Greentree 46:13 The big thing I wanna do next year is walk from the very start of the season to the end of the season, so just walk one way. And it's hard to find a mountain range that you can do that, because if there's no elk, you keep traveling.

Joe Rogan 46:26 Right.

Adam Greentree 46:26 You know, and you run, you run out of country basically. So, like, this year I did just short of 500 miles.

Joe Rogan 46:34 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 46:34 But if there was game-

Joe Rogan 46:35 Right.

Adam Greentree 46:36 ... I might have only did 100 miles.

Joe Rogan 46:38 Or 10.

Adam Greentree 46:39 Or 10, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 46:40 But because there was no game, like, literally, like, no prints on the ground, then it's like, "There's no use staying here. Pack up camp and move."

Joe Rogan 46:46 Right.

Adam Greentree 46:47 And then I end up walking so far that I walked out to a highway at the end of the unit and called a friend and it's like, "Hey, is there anyone that can pick me up? Because my truck is, like, seven days walk away."

Joe Rogan 47:00 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 47:01 And then s- and then, so yeah, his, his dad (laughs) knocked off work and-

Joe Rogan 47:06 Oh, wow.

Adam Greentree 47:06 ... and, like, absolute legends.

Joe Rogan 47:08 That's pretty cool.

Adam Greentree 47:08 His dad knocked off work, drove, like, three hours to where I walked out-

Joe Rogan 47:12 Wow.

Adam Greentree 47:12 ... picked me up, and then dropped me back to my vehicle.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Well, that's a nice guy.

Adam Greentree 47:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 You owe that dude.

Adam Greentree 47:16 Yeah, I do owe that dude. I'll make up for it.

Joe Rogan 47:17 Send him a boomerang or some shit. (laughs)

Adam Greentree 47:19 (laughs) I'm like, "I'll take you buffalo hunting."

Joe Rogan 47:21 Yeah, there you go.

Adam Greentree 47:22 Yeah, I'll do something like that.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Yeah, well, don't do that. You might get him eaten by crocodiles.

Adam Greentree 47:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:26 You fucking psycho.

Adam Greentree 47:28 Oh, oh, shit. They're bad too at the moment.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Are they bad in Australia?

Adam Greentree 47:31 Yeah, they just seem to be more regularly everywhere.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 47:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Are you allowed to hunt them there?

Adam Greentree 47:36 No.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Or are they protected?

Adam Greentree 47:37 Yeah. I think you can get a permit, but-

Joe Rogan 47:39 Isn't that funny? You c- you shoot deer out of a helicopter-

Adam Greentree 47:43 (laughs) Ah.

Joe Rogan 47:43 ... but these fucking monsters that eat kids.

Adam Greentree 47:44 Fucking monsters. Tell me about it. Tell me about it.

Joe Rogan 47:46 What the fuck?

Adam Greentree 47:47 Yeah, yeah, so about, uh, it was about 12 years ago now, um, we went into community, so like a aboriginal community, and they had had kids taken.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Oh.

Adam Greentree 47:56 Right? And that's their only water source and they had had kids taken out of that water source.

Joe Rogan 48:02 (sighs)

Adam Greentree 48:02 Pretty sad.

Joe Rogan 48:02 That, that just drives me crazy.

Adam Greentree 48:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:04 That dri- I just don't understand that. Kill those fucking things.

Adam Greentree 48:07 So I... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:07 I'm not saying kill all of them.

Adam Greentree 48:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 But kill everyone that's around people.

Adam Greentree 48:10 Management, right?

Joe Rogan 48:12 Jim Shockey was on the podcast a while back and he was telling a story about how they had actually hired him to go to Africa to hunt crocodiles.

Adam Greentree 48:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 48:19 Because there were so many crocodiles they were taking people in this village, they would set up stakes in the water so that, the, the, the crocodiles couldn't go through the stakes-

Adam Greentree 48:28 Yep.

Joe Rogan 48:28 ... to get to them, but they figured a way around the stakes. And this woman, while he was there, was washing clothes and she got jacked.

Adam Greentree 48:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yeah, he said everyone there was, like, missing a hand, bit taken outta your leg.

Adam Greentree 48:39 Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:40 He said it was just an epidemic.

Adam Greentree 48:41 A- and that's, like, their everyday life. It's not, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 48:44 They're big-

Adam Greentree 48:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:44 These are big, big, 18-foot, 19-foot crocs, like, just giant-

Adam Greentree 48:47 Yeah, yeah, shed enough and everyone's food.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 48:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:50 Just giant African crocodiles, which are just the, the most terrifying animal in the world to me.

Adam Greentree 48:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:55 'Cause they lay there underwater and you don't even know they're there-

Adam Greentree 48:58 Right. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:58 ... then they jump up and get you.

Adam Greentree 49:00 Done, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:00 And they're so fast.

Adam Greentree 49:01 Did you ever see the video that I'd done in, um, Northern Territory?And, um, I'm-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Is it online?

Adam Greentree 49:08 It's online.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Well, how would Jamie find it?

Adam Greentree 49:10 Uh, I think I pinned it to, um, my Instagram. And, and I sort of talk people through it. Like, after, obviously. I'm not talking when I'm walking up there. So I'm going up there and there's, like, all these, like, little waterholes as it's drying up. And there's all these pigs laying on, like, two or three waterholes that way and no pigs laying on a waterhole this way. So I'm like, "Oh, that's a bit suss already." And then I just seen it too. I could just see its eyes above the water and the back of its tail. Oh, this is it.

Joe Rogan 49:40 So this is a small waterhole?

Adam Greentree 49:41 Yeah. Do you have sound? Yeah.

Narrator 49:42 Right there on the bank you can see a big saltwater crocodile. You can see his snout and his eyes closest to the bank, and then you can see, like, the ridge of the front of his tail-

Joe Rogan 49:51 Oh, God.

Narrator 49:52 ... standing up in the water. I actually watched him come from the center of that billabong there-

Joe Rogan 49:56 (laughs)

Narrator 49:56 ... right to the edge when he noticed the line that I was taking to the edge of the water-

Adam Greentree 50:00 Watch this thing sink away.

Joe Rogan 50:02 (laughs) Fuck.

Narrator 50:03 But, um, yeah, you can see he's properly hunting me here. You'll see his eyes and snout just disappear under that dirty water. Look how slow he drops away.

Joe Rogan 50:14 And he's doing that to try to get you. And you're walking close to this motherfucker.

Adam Greentree 50:17 Yeah, look at his tail prime. See the water?

Joe Rogan 50:20 Yeah.

Narrator 50:20 ... just plunge forward and have a crack at me.

Adam Greentree 50:22 So he's ready to go.

Joe Rogan 50:23 How far away are you from him?

Narrator 50:25 Yeah, he's quite a long way from the coast.

Adam Greentree 50:26 Uh, 10 meters maybe.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Why? Oh my God. Look at it. It's getting ready. Look at its tail.

Adam Greentree 50:31 He just-

Narrator 50:32 I know they're called a saltwater crocodile-

Adam Greentree 50:33 Yeah.

Narrator 50:33 ... but they should be called an all-water crocodile because they live in all water. Yeah, and I just threw that stick at him-

Adam Greentree 50:38 Watch when this thing comes up. (laughs)

Narrator 50:41 ... just to let him know that I know you're there and a little bit of a fuck you too. But, yeah, he's a cock.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Jesus Christ, those things are terrifying. Look-

Narrator 50:48 Yeah, he wouldn't want him grabbing you and dragging you into that water and then twisting and tearing your limbs off-

Joe Rogan 50:52 Oh.

Narrator 50:53 ... and sending you into the middle of nowhere.

Adam Greentree 50:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:58 Oh, bro.

Adam Greentree 50:59 You could take him, Joe.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Fuck.

Adam Greentree 51:00 You could take him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:01 All that. I would take him from a distance with a .300 Win Mag.

Adam Greentree 51:05 Oh, they're so prehistoric, eh?

Joe Rogan 51:07 Fuck those things.

Adam Greentree 51:08 But, like, so that, that croc's probably never seen a person before.

Joe Rogan 51:11 Probably.

Adam Greentree 51:12 And there's nothing else getting around there that's walking upright like a human. But I was still food, I was still on the menu.

Joe Rogan 51:17 Everything's on the menu.

Adam Greentree 51:19 Completely on the menu.

Joe Rogan 51:20 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 51:20 Whereas if you see a lot of other animals in nature that have never seen a person, like-

Joe Rogan 51:25 You're not on the menu.

Adam Greentree 51:26 No, you're so foreign that they just want to get the fuck out of there.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Right.

Adam Greentree 51:29 And he could have sunk down and turned around and sunk into that water. I would never know that he was there. But instead he's like, "Fuck, food, sweet."

Joe Rogan 51:36 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 51:36 "Let's have a crack, you know?"

Joe Rogan 51:38 Boo.

Adam Greentree 51:39 Yeah. So but that seems more common at the moment. And I don't know why, if the population's getting too high, but you used to get around and see, like, a saltie or two every now and then, a saltwater crocodile every now and then. And, but nearly, like, hard to find, you know, certain river systems not, but, like, tucked away water like that. Whereas now it's just, like, every fucking waterhole's got a croc in it.

Joe Rogan 52:03 Ugh.

Adam Greentree 52:04 So, uh, we just bought a property up in, um, the Northern Territory of Australia and it's got a beautiful big lagoon on it and Kimmy's like, "Oh, fuck, that's going to be sweet for swimming." I'm like, (laughs) "That's the wrong state of Australia," you know, to... 'Cause the top of, all the top of Western Australia and all of Northern Territory and the top of Queensland, that's where the crocs are, saltwater crocodiles are in that district.

Joe Rogan 52:27 (sighs) And they're deep inland?

Adam Greentree 52:29 Yeah, they can be. Yeah, so and this property that we've purchased is i- is inland as well. But they get pushed in there, like, um, the Northern Territory will have a big wet season. Water will rise, like, over the top of the land and everything like that. Water will rise and those big salties can move into a little waterhole where they've never been before.

Joe Rogan 52:47 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 52:47 So you might have a property and been like, "No, this water's sweet." And then the next year there's a big salty in there.

Joe Rogan 52:52 And they can go for a year without eating.

Adam Greentree 52:55 They'd be freaking desperate if they did. Like-

Joe Rogan 52:58 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 52:58 ... you're definitely on the menu if they do that.

Joe Rogan 52:59 But I mean, that's just an extraordinary animal.

Adam Greentree 53:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:02 I mean, evolution just has honed those motherfuckers to a razor's edge.

Adam Greentree 53:07 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think I told you about the story where, like, I shoot a big boar pig and, like, the arrow zips through it and it just dropped over onto the riverbank. And I walked over there with another arrow just to see if I had to follow it up. And so I walked up and, like, I'm, like, a meter above it. Anyway, it was just, just on the side of the water, like, not in the water, just on the side of the water. And it was just, like, in the final stages of its life. And I looked down and put the second arrow away, like, "It doesn't need another arrow, it's sweet." And I looked down and I put the second arrow away and just heard the water erupt. This big saltwater crocodile come out, grabbed it, I can still see it in slo-mo, grabbed this pig, like, threw it over in the water, and then started swimming away with it. And it actually took... Uh, and it was a big boar pig, actually took it under water for, like, 30, 40 yards and then come back up with it. And then another big salty was trying to get it off that saltwater crocodile.

Joe Rogan 54:01 (exhales)

Adam Greentree 54:01 Now, if that pig was already dead, I would have just jumped straight down the back-

Joe Rogan 54:05 Oh my God.

Adam Greentree 54:05 ... the, the bank-

Joe Rogan 54:06 And grabbed it.

Adam Greentree 54:06 ... and I would have been right in the line of fire.

Joe Rogan 54:08 Oh, boy. And there's two of them there.

Adam Greentree 54:09 You know? It's like it's, it's that's how quick it happens, dude. You know? And it's just like they're just sitting there waiting.

Joe Rogan 54:15 (groans)

Adam Greentree 54:15 And I had another trip. (laughs) I love these crocodile stories-

Joe Rogan 54:20 I fucking hate them.

Adam Greentree 54:21 ... because they're so fucked up.

Joe Rogan 54:21 They make my skin crawl.

Adam Greentree 54:23 (laughs) Me and Kimmy did, uh, like, 120 kilometers across, like, inland Northern Territory and, um, it was funny 'cause, you know, you've, when you're in society, like back at home, you've got all the different things going on, whether it's bills, kids, you know, just 1,000 things going on, work and stuff like that. And Kimmy really enjoyed that trip because all you had to worry about every day was water, food, where you're gonna camp. But with water comes fucking crocodiles because you have to go down and collect the water. Like, we're, we're walking 120 kilometers. You can't carry enough water for 120 kilometers. You literally fill... And it's stinking hot. So you're filling your water bottle up multiple times a day.

Joe Rogan 55:04 (inhales deeply)

Adam Greentree 55:05 And I'm like, "You stay back here."

Joe Rogan 55:07 Ooh.

Adam Greentree 55:07 And- and I'll race down, watch the bank where I fill the water up at. And 'cause you're looking over this waterhole, like even with binoculars glassing it, you can't see a croc anywhere. Like during the daylight, like you can't see a croc anywhere. And I go down, then, and I'm fast, like I don't muck around down there. You go down, you scoop up the water. It's- and it's dirty water, you can't drink it. Then you take it back up the bank away from the crocs, and you filter it up there from one water bottle to another. So anyway, I race down there, I scoop up the water. I'm halfway back up the bank, like w- w- way away from the water though, and Kim's like, "Look behind you." And I turn around behind me, and big saltwater crocodile eyes come up straight behind me. Like, that's how quick they are. I went down, scooped water, got away from there right where I filled up the water, croc eyes come straight up.

Joe Rogan 55:49 'Cause they had sensed movement.

Adam Greentree 55:50 They just, they're just onto it. They're probably looking at you the whole time, you know?

Joe Rogan 55:54 Ooh.

Adam Greentree 55:54 But you just can't see them.

Joe Rogan 55:55 God, fuck that.

Adam Greentree 55:56 And then, but at nighttime, like you'd shine a torch around and it's just like red eyes everywhere. So during the day there's like n- no (laughs) , you can't see a croc, and then you shine a torch in a water hole at night and there's just eyes everywhere.

Joe Rogan 56:08 Do you feel safe in a tent?

Adam Greentree 56:10 Yeah, because they- they will only come so far up the bank. So this last mission that I did with a couple of friends, we had no choice but to camp within like 20 yards of the bank, but it's a high bank, and the saltwater crocodiles were trying to come up that high bank every night.

Joe Rogan 56:25 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 56:26 Um, so we end up running fishing line, you know, like three or four inches off the ground, and like tying tin cans and like whatever we could that would make noise-

Joe Rogan 56:36 To make noise.

Adam Greentree 56:36 ... across there just so you'd hear them coming up overnight.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Ugh.

Adam Greentree 56:39 Yeah. It, so that's uncomfortable.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 56:43 For some sickening reason I still sleep fine, (laughs) but that's really uncomfortable. But generally you're 100 yards up the bank. They won't, they won't come that far unless they're really desperate, so. I had a buddy tell me that he'd had crocs travel 200, 300 yards up a bank, and they took his dogs off a chain.

Joe Rogan 57:03 No.

Adam Greentree 57:03 Like they actually ripped the dogs off the chain where they were locked up.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Oh.

Adam Greentree 57:07 But he was like camped there for weeks and weeks sort of thing. So the crocs were patterning it, sort of thing. And that's what they do.

Joe Rogan 57:13 Ugh.

Adam Greentree 57:13 And that's why you don't fill up water at the same place like twice in a row.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Ugh.

Adam Greentree 57:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Do you know anybody that's ever gotten attacked?

Adam Greentree 57:22 I know people that have come bloody close. I don't know, don't know of anyone that's been attacked because they're fucking dead. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yeah, they disappear.

Adam Greentree 57:31 They couldn't tell the story.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 57:32 But no, I ... Great way to get rid of them.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 57:34 It's not fucking worse than here. Bears are walking across land. At least the danger there is at the water.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 57:41 It's right at the water.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yes.

Adam Greentree 57:43 So if you go down-

Joe Rogan 57:44 Yeah, but you need water.

Adam Greentree 57:46 Yeah, but you-

Joe Rogan 57:46 And they could be-

Adam Greentree 57:47 You prep for it.

Joe Rogan 57:47 ... an inch offshore.

Adam Greentree 57:49 They can be, and then generally I'll try and fill up water behind a tree. So there'll be a tree right on the bank, and I'll stay behind the tree and try and fill up water.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Ugh.

Adam Greentree 57:59 And then I- I had a-

Joe Rogan 58:00 So you can dodge?

Adam Greentree 58:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:02 Oof.

Adam Greentree 58:02 I had another one. I tagged you in it, but I know you hate that shit.

Joe Rogan 58:05 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 58:05 But I'm like, "Fuck, I'm tagging you anyway." And I'm walking around at night with a torch and like walking through like ankle and knee-deep water trying to spot barramundi. And I was trying to debunk the myth of saltwater crocodiles and freshwater crocodiles won't live in the same body of water, you know? And that's, that's so that people are like, "Oh, if you see freshwater crocodiles, there's no saltwater crocodiles." Well, I know that's bullshit. And so-

Joe Rogan 58:33 Is the freshwater crocodile smaller?

Adam Greentree 58:35 They're smaller. They're not aggressive like that. They can be territorial. They won't eat us, for starters. So a freshie might bite ya, but he'll let you go. Whereas a saltie will bite you and hold onto you and fucking eat you, you know? And then so-

Joe Rogan 58:50 (sighs) .

Adam Greentree 58:50 ... I'm going around with this torch and I'm seeing all these freshies, freshwater crocodiles everywhere. And then I hear something moving up, like there's sort of rapids below me, and I hear something moving through the water and I'm like, "Oh no, that's not a fucking freshie." And I turn around and start walking down there and shine the torch and yeah, it's a big saltie, and he's like coming straight out the water towards me. And uh, yeah, so fucking, they do live, they do co-exist with each other. So if you see a freshie, don't think you're safe and jump in for a swim. There could be a bloody saltie in there too.

Joe Rogan 59:18 So is that just a lack of people traveling in their area and so they've developed this myth?

Adam Greentree 59:24 I think so. I think probably anyone that lives in the NT knows it's a myth, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:29 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 59:29 But maybe tourists and that don't, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:32 Ugh.

Adam Greentree 59:32 And it's like they're horrible names, right? Saltwater crocodile lives in freshwater as well.

Joe Rogan 59:37 Right.

Adam Greentree 59:38 But a freshwater crocodile pretty much just lives in freshwater as far as I know.

Joe Rogan 59:43 (sighs)

Adam Greentree 59:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Fuck that.

Adam Greentree 59:45 Yeah. (laughs) Fuck that.

Joe Rogan 59:47 Fuck that.

Adam Greentree 59:47 There's a place called Carr Hills Crossing up in, um, the Northern Territory, heading out towards a part of Arnhem Land. It might be actually the border of Arnhem Land. And there's so many saltwater crocodiles on that crossing, and people come unstuck there all the time because it's tidal, right? So they'll try and drive across there with a car and get, their car will get washed off, and they've got to swim back to the bank with all these crocodiles in the water, so-

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Hmm.

Adam Greentree 1:00:11 ... it's pretty sketchy. But I still feel like Australia's safer than hunting bloody Wyoming or somewhere or Montana-

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 With the grizzlies.

Adam Greentree 1:00:19 ... because of the grizzlies. And they're actually on land and can come to your tent anytime they like.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Yeah. Yeah, there's been-

Adam Greentree 1:00:23 You know, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 ... a lot of discussion about removing them from the endangered list.

Adam Greentree 1:00:28 Yeah. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 And putting tags on them, which they really should do.

Adam Greentree 1:00:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 There's- there's a lot of places where they're overpopulated. I know they're talking about that in Wyoming, and there's places in Montana where they're trying to have that discussion. But again, you deal with these wildlife activist groups that don't want you doing that.

Adam Greentree 1:00:44 Mmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 And so there's litigations and lawsuits and...

Adam Greentree 1:00:46 It's a hard push, isn't it? 'Cause you don't want it the other way where everything's just getting slaughtered.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Of course.

Adam Greentree 1:00:51 So there has to be a bit of a fight back, but there needs to be some sort of middle ground where it's like, "Oh shit, this is actually gonna be better for the elk and deer population and people population," you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 1:01:02 And- and probably better for the bears as well. You know, you, the grizzly just wipe out the black bears.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 The problem is that these- these people that are the wildlife activists, they do not like hunting in any way, shape, or form. And they don't want to give up any ground.

Adam Greentree 1:01:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 You know, I have a- I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, 'cause this is pretty crazy. A friend of mine filmed this in, um, in California, a wolf that is near Bakersfield.

Adam Greentree 1:01:28 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Yeah. And he doesn't know how it got there, and he suspects that someone released it there. But this was, uh, you know, (sighs) this was right off of- you know, a mile or two off of, uh, Highway 5.

Adam Greentree 1:01:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Which is just bananas, like, that this thing was there. I'm-

Adam Greentree 1:01:48 Not a husky, is it? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 No, it's a fucking wolf.

Adam Greentree 1:01:52 (laughs) Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 I'm gonna send you this, Jamie.

Adam Greentree 1:01:53 Ah, it's fucking love one.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Here you go, Jamie. So this, uh, I just sent it to you. So this, uh, friend of mine filmed this from the side of the road, uh, a couple years ago, and they think that it's very possible that someone, you know, some rogue activist group, just decided to start releasing wolves.

Adam Greentree 1:02:15 Oh, I'm sure it's happened-

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Who did that?

Adam Greentree 1:02:16 ... multiple times. Oh, smokes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Yeah. So this is in se-

Adam Greentree 1:02:21 Wow. What a beautiful looking animal, too.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Amazing animal. Look at his eyes. This is in Central California, and you can see he's on cattle land as- as, uh, you know, they're filming it and the wolf's aware they're filming it, and you see a cow.

Adam Greentree 1:02:34 Oh, the cow's

Narrator 1:02:35 (laughs)

Adam Greentree 1:02:35 ... chasing (laughs) it.

Narrator 1:02:36 The cow's like, "What are you?"

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 The cow has no-

Adam Greentree 1:02:38 Oh, god.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 ... no idea. No idea what a wolf is, never seen one before, and all of a sudden there's a wolf there, and it-

Adam Greentree 1:02:42 I'm sure that's happened multiple, multiple times.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 I'm sure. There's- there's a lot of people that think that wolves should be everywhere.

Adam Greentree 1:02:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 And they don't have cattle, and they don't have-

Adam Greentree 1:02:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 ... you know, dogs.

Adam Greentree 1:02:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 They don't live there, and they just- they're just-

Adam Greentree 1:02:55 And they look beautiful, so people are like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Oh, they're fucking amazing.

Adam Greentree 1:02:57 ... "You can't shoot 'em, you can't hunt 'em," you know? And it's just like w- I- we have spoken about that a few times, where it's like, oh, if it's a pig or something ugly, it's like, "Oh, don't, yeah, hunt him as much as you like." And then, it's a beautiful deer and it's like, "You can't shoot that."

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 I know.

Adam Greentree 1:03:08 It's like, come on.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 My own agent said that to me. She was like-

Adam Greentree 1:03:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 ... "You should shoot pigs 'cause they're ugly," I'm like, "That's so crazy."

Adam Greentree 1:03:15 Ah, I got the same feelings towards a pig as a beautiful deer. And they're good feelings, you know? And it's like you, uh, as a hunter, you understand this as well.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 1:03:23 That it's not like, you know, "Nah, shoot it, I wanna kill it," you know? It's not about that at all.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 No, they're all cool.

Adam Greentree 1:03:29 They are. They are.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 It's cool that they exist.

Adam Greentree 1:03:31 They're real cool.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 We're very fortunate that we get to be around them in the wild, because it's such a unique moment when you're around an animal that, you know, especially the places that you go, they've probably never seen a person before.

Adam Greentree 1:03:41 Oh. Yeah. Yeah, I come across that a fair bit. And it- and it- I just actually had an encounter with a dingo, wild dog in Australia that had never seen people before, and he actually arced up at me, like was like barkin' flat out at me. And, um, didn't know what I was, and then- and then I was- I tr- I pretended to be prey, so I turned and started running away to see what he'd do, and he come flying down the bank and like was like- like coming at me, and then he hit- hit my scent, and then it was a completely different story. Soon as he smelt human, he knew it was danger.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 1:04:13 And he spun around and bolted. Um, and he actually ... there was a little water hole there that he'd just walked out of, like there was wet prints coming out of the water hole and a half-eaten wallaby, um, and they were on a killing rampage there, these dingoes. Ended up finding three wallabies, uh, one dead that hadn't even been eaten, it'd just been killed. Um, that one that I was just talking about that had half eaten, they'd half eaten another one in the creek and they'd also killed a wild, um, cattle calf and- and were eating that as well, all in this one area. They were just cutting thick.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 How many dingoes do they travel with, like in a pack?

Adam Greentree 1:04:49 It depends. H- the first dog that I seen, um, he was a male and he was by himself, and he might be just like a traveling male, um, but then I've seen packs of 16 to 20 before.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Wow.

Adam Greentree 1:05:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 They could do some damage.

Adam Greentree 1:05:03 They could do some damage. They generally always run the other way.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 1:05:07 And that's why that was a weird encounter, like he fully ... Like, me and Kim were both walking down the bank in the dry river and he both w- in plain view, and just stood his ground on the top of the bank on the other side just going off at us.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 How big are they?

Adam Greentree 1:05:20 The size of, um ... like a cattle dog. A bit bigger than a cattle dog.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 So 40 pounds?

Adam Greentree 1:05:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 Something like that?

Adam Greentree 1:05:28 40 pounds or so.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 Are those dingoes right there?

Adam Greentree 1:05:30 Yeah, they're dingoes. They're pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 So people keep them as pets?

Adam Greentree 1:05:33 Um, these will be in a zoo, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Those are in a zoo?

Adam Greentree 1:05:36 Yeah, they'll- they'll be s- some sort of fancy zoo.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 God, they look just like a dog.

Adam Greentree 1:05:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 That's what's crazy.

Adam Greentree 1:05:41 Beautiful animal. Oh, look at him go.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 They don't seem ... Like if I saw that, I'd be like, "Oh, someone left their dog out here."

Adam Greentree 1:05:46 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 I wouldn't think that that's dangerous.

Adam Greentree 1:05:48 I've seen one in Arnhem Land about three years ago that looked like it was cross with like a Tasmanian tiger.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Really?

Adam Greentree 1:05:57 Yeah. It was- had this cool back end like with faint stripes on it and a tail and then it was like ... And then my buddy Isaac Butterfield, you met him when I was here last month.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Mm-hmm.

Adam Greentree 1:06:07 The big, tall comedian dude.

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 Yeah.

Adam Greentree 1:06:09 Um, we were talking about doing like basically a search mission for 'em throughout Australia, doing a series on it, um, which I think would be really cool, because they haven't been extinct for that long and there's a lot of remote country in Australia that there's still definitely a possibility that they're out there somewhere.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 There's a lot of sightings.

Adam Greentree 1:06:28 Yeah, and I-

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 Do you think that that one with the stripes, is that possible, that it could be a hybrid or what?

Adam Greentree 1:06:32 I really don't know. I didn't say too much about it at the time so I probably shouldn't have fucking mentioned it on JRE. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 Why? Why would you want to keep that a secret?

Adam Greentree 1:06:41 Because I didn't know