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Joe Rogan Experience #2063 - The Rock

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is an actor, producer, entrepreneur, and retired professional wrestler.  https://therock.komi.io

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Jun 27, 20242h 53mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 4:29

    Post-workout hang: comedians, sauna, and building a training habit

    1. JR

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) And we're up.

    4. JR

      What's happening?

    5. DJ

      I'm in.

    6. JR

      How fun was that?

    7. DJ

      Aw, that was a blast.

    8. JR

      We had a good day.

    9. DJ

      Dude, that was three hours.

    10. JR

      Yeah. We got, uh, Shane Gillis, Brian Simpson, Ehsan Ahmad, Tony Hinchcliffe, Duncan Trussell, you and me. We had a fucking banging workout. Then we did the sauna, we did the cold plunge, we did the whole experience.

    11. DJ

      We did the sauna again.

    12. JR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    13. DJ

      (laughs)

    14. JR

      Cold plunge again, I did it twice.

    15. DJ

      Cold plunge, man.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. DJ

      That was great. And I love what you're doing down here, by the way, with the boys.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. DJ

      Getting them down here, giving them this opportunity to get after it, not only in their craft, but also getting in shape.

    20. JR

      Yeah. There's-

    21. DJ

      Those guys are really getting in shape.

    22. JR

      ... two dudes with diabetes today. (laughs)

    23. DJ

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      Like, they just don't work out, you know? But we're doing it now. This is the third week.

    25. DJ

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      And we've been talking about it forever, but when Shane moved to town, he's like, "Dude, I gotta get in shape. I gotta, I gotta do something." I go, "Listen. Let's start on Monday, nice and light." And so we started nice and light. Today was a har- pretty hard day for them.

    27. DJ

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      But generally, it's pretty easy. I just have them do push-ups, body weight squats, and a series of very light kettlebell routines. Just simple stuff.

    29. DJ

      Right. Just get them used to it.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  2. 4:29 – 10:02

    Cold plunge psychology: breathing, calm, and stress inoculation

    1. JR

      It's the best way. It's like you get it out of the way, and also I like to do it fasted. So I wake up and-

    2. DJ

      Ah, yeah.

    3. JR

      ... have a cup of coffee, hit, get some pre-workout in me and just fucking let's go.

    4. DJ

      That's it? (laughs)

    5. JR

      Yeah, let's go. And I go right into the cold plunge, that's the first thing. So the first thing is suffering. Like right away, suffer. First-

    6. DJ

      Yes.

    7. JR

      ... it's cold outside, who gives a fuck? Get in there, suffer.

    8. DJ

      Yes.

    9. JR

      Suffer for three minutes and then warm yourself up through working out and then, then get into it.

    10. DJ

      Uh, but we did it reverse today. Was it because, how- how come we did it reverse today?

    11. JR

      Well, those guys are not really ready to get in the cold plunge first.

    12. DJ

      (laughs) They're not ready. Don't dive in.

    13. JR

      That's next level.

    14. DJ

      First, yeah.

    15. JR

      That's next level. I get them in the cold plunge after the sauna because it's easier. 'Cause your body temperature's already heated up and there's a certain amount of relief when you get into the cold water because-

    16. DJ

      Yes.

    17. JR

      ... you know, in that 185 degrees for 20 minutes?

    18. DJ

      Yes.

    19. JR

      When you get in that cold, then your body relaxes. And I just did it, I just want to get them accustomed to doing ... Hassan impressed the shit out of me. Three minutes his first time. You did too, three minutes your first time.

    20. DJ

      Thank you, man. Yeah.

    21. JR

      It was awesome. You just stayed calm as fuck in there.

    22. DJ

      I- I felt like that's the thing to do.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DJ

      Right? You get in-

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. DJ

      And I heard you coaching the boys.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. DJ

      Breathe.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. DJ

      You're good.

  3. 10:02 – 16:42

    Discipline vs burnout: avoiding the 'slide off' and staying consistent while traveling

    1. JR

      And that's what I keep telling them. I said, "This is just a thing where you got to not slide off, 'cause the slide off is the hardest part."

    2. DJ

      Yeah.

    3. NA

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Like, the discipline is very hard, but the slide off. It's so hard to avoid the slide off. When you're used to eating bad food and fucking around and staying up late and drinking, like all these guys do-

    5. DJ

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... it's really hard to be disciplined and just to say, "No matter what, even if I travel on the road, I got to get workouts in, 'cause I can't lose ground."

    7. DJ

      That's right.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. DJ

      That's right. Especially like wrestling, I feel like i- comedy's a lot like wrestling just in terms of the schedule.

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    11. DJ

      'Cause you guys are working at nights.

    12. JR

      Yep.

    13. DJ

      Sometimes twice a night. You're starting at 7:30, you're done by, I don't know, maybe midnight, maybe longer.

    14. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    15. DJ

      Right? So it's that kind of lifestyle that we really got to be disciplined. Were you, were you always disciplined even when you got in comedy full time and you were on the road and doing all that?

    16. JR

      I was more disciplined than other comics, but not that disciplined. Not like I am now. I think as I get older, I realize, like, you only have so much ... L- like, your body only has so much energy. And if you're not in shape, your body's gonna have less energy. And as you get old, I have so many friends that are my age that look like they're dead.

    17. DJ

      Yeah. Yeah.

    18. JR

      And I'm like, "Jesus Christ." You know?

    19. DJ

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      56.

    21. DJ

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      And then at a certain point in time, you realize like, "Okay, this can't be, uh, like, a thing you do three days a week. This has got to be a thing you do every day."

    23. DJ

      That's right.

    24. JR

      Like, my body has to, like, know for sure it's gonna work. And every day, work has got to get done.

    25. DJ

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      And if it doesn't do that, I feel like it's gonna slide off. And when I've taken days off, and then I get back to it, it's like I feel way more slide now than I did when I was 20 or 30.

    27. DJ

      Hmm.

    28. JR

      It's like the slide is like y- you know, it's steeper.

    29. DJ

      Like y- it, like you were s- Yes.

    30. JR

      It's steeper, it lasts longer.

  4. 16:42 – 22:20

    Gratitude and presence: enjoying the grind and changing your life's 'frequency'

    1. DJ

      You know what it is too? It's that thing where I think, like, you learn about, especially when it comes to training and that, that kinda thing, where it's either you look at it like, "Ah, fuck, this is something I gotta do." Or, "I get to do."

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. DJ

      Right?

    4. JR

      Yes, you get to do.

    5. DJ

      Like, "I get to do it, man."

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. DJ

      "What a privilege this is."

    8. JR

      I mean, there's a lot of people out there that are, like, seriously ill and injured and they can't do it. God, they would wish, they'd fucking give anything to be able to do it.

    9. DJ

      One more time. That's right.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DJ

      That's right.

    12. JR

      And we are lucky. We're lucky as shit. Anybody right now that's able-bodied and hears this is lucky as fuck.

    13. DJ

      Lucky, man.

    14. JR

      Just lucky.

    15. DJ

      Lucky and privileged, I always say that.

    16. JR

      Yeah, super lucky.

    17. DJ

      For sure.

    18. JR

      And if you can just keep that in your mind... That's the problem, people get just accustomed to whatever they have. And then, then they want more, they're not satisfied, but gratitude is-

    19. DJ

      Hmm.

    20. JR

      ... so important. I know it's one of those hippie crystal fucking wooden beads things-

    21. DJ

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      ... that annoys the shit... 'Cause he, you know, you hear it from the wrong people.

    23. DJ

      Attitude of gratitude and, yeah, yeah.

    24. JR

      Yeah, there's certain things that get co-opted by the w- like, uh, the word "God" I think is the same way.

    25. DJ

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      It's l- it's co-opted by some people, and then people have this negative association with it. But I think gratitude is one of those that's, it, it is real, and it's really important. And if you could just r- appreciate your friends and appreciate your life and appreciate people and appreciate what you get to do, you can fucking change your whole tone of existence. You change the-

    27. DJ

      Life.

    28. JR

      ... frequency you exist on.

    29. DJ

      H- where you vibrate-

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  5. 22:20 – 24:45

    Money stress and early survival mindset: Joe’s Disney deal and escaping 'broke' anxiety

    1. JR

      I realized when I was young, I got a development deal for, uh, Disney when I was, uh, I think I was 25, 26.

    2. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      And I got this development deal and all of a sudden they gave me like, I think it was like $100,000, and I had money in the bank. I was like, "This is crazy," 'cause I felt-

    4. DJ

      Wh- e- a- wher-

    5. JR

      ... lighter.

    6. DJ

      ... how old were you at that ... So you-

    7. JR

      I was like 26, I think.

    8. DJ

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And I was, uh, it was a development deal for a television show, and all of a sudden I had money. Like my whole life I was poor, and my whole life I was like wondering how I was gonna ... And when I was on my own, and it was like, "How are ... How am I paying the bills? How am I eating?" You know, I remember like, uh, taking like a loose jar of change and counting it all out-

    10. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      ... so I could go to Subway and get a sandwich. You know, like that kind of shit.

    12. DJ

      You, y- you don't forget that kind of shit though, man.

    13. JR

      You don't forget that kind of shit. But then the moment I got that check, I remember feeling light.

    14. DJ

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      Like, like weight had been lifted off me. Like now I didn't have to worry about my rent. Now I didn't have to worry about food.

    16. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      And I remember thinking immediately, "Oh, this is the key." You just gotta not ... Get to a place where you're not worried about your bills. If that means like spend less money, if that means like live a, like a more prudent lifestyle, whatever you have to do. But get to that place where you're not worried about bills, 'cause that shit hanging over your head-

    18. DJ

      Yes.

    19. JR

      ... causes stress-

    20. DJ

      Stress.

    21. JR

      ... that fucking ruins lives.

    22. DJ

      Yes.

    23. JR

      It ruins people.

    24. DJ

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      And so then I was like, "Okay, now the most important thing is fucking keep going."

    26. DJ

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Like d- make sure-

    28. DJ

      M-

    29. JR

      ... you don't lose any ground here and keep going, because now you know what it's like to be successful. Continue that. Do the, whatever the fuck you have to do, whatever work you have to put in to continue that.

    30. DJ

      Yeah.

  6. 24:45 – 32:35

    Martial arts as identity and confidence: moving constantly, insecurity, and finding a 'thing'

    1. DJ

      I, I, I gotta ask you something. My ... I heard this and I always wanted to confirm it with you. W- you started early with martial arts.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DJ

      Right? And then w- you said, there was this great quote and it was something like, it was martial arts, I think, that gave you the confidence to know that, "Oh wait, uh, I'm not gonna be broke one day," or something like that. Is that right? Is it-

    4. JR

      I realized ... Yeah. Martial arts was the first thing that I realized like, "Oh, I'm not a loser."... because I felt-

    5. DJ

      That's it.

    6. JR

      ... like a -- I, I moved a lot when I was a kid.

    7. DJ

      You did.

    8. JR

      We moved from, uh, New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, lived in San Francisco till I was 11, moved in -- to Florida from 11 to 13, Boston-

    9. DJ

      Oh, wow.

    10. JR

      ... from 13 to 24, so I was always moving.

    11. DJ

      Man, I lived in 10 states by the time I was 13 too.

    12. JR

      Yeah. There's some-

    13. DJ

      What, what, why were you guys moving around?

    14. JR

      Uh, well, my stepdad, um, went to school, um, in, uh, Florida. Well, w- we moved to San Francisco just to, like, experience something different-

    15. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      ... and just get away from New Jersey. Moved there, and then, um, my stepdad went to school in Florida. And when we went to school in Florida, we had to go to the University of Florida at Gainesville, so w- we were there for three years. And then when we moved to Boston, he was going to the Boston Architectural Center, so w- we moved there so he could finish it and get his architectural degree. So we were j- we were just always going where we had to go, and when we did that, I would have to make a whole new set of friends.

    17. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    18. JR

      And so, it was this thing about being insecure and young and, you know, life is kind of fucked up and chaotic, and you're, you know, you're meeting these new people, and kids are fucking cruel.

    19. DJ

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      And I, you know, I always was insecure because we were always moving around a lot, and m- my life was kind of chaotic, my family life was chaotic, and I just felt like a loser. I always felt like I just had to hide from people, I was, like, socially nervous around people, and I just felt like there were certain people that were winners in life and I was not that. I was a loser. And then I started doing martial arts and I got really good at it.

    21. DJ

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Like, re- I was obsessed, and I got really good at it really quickly. And I realized, like, "Oh, I'm not a loser." Like, I just have to find a thing-

    23. DJ

      A thing.

    24. JR

      ... and fucking really get after it-

    25. DJ

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... in a way that I know some people that have had an easy life, they're not gonna pursue it like it's gonna save them. And I was pursuing it like it's, "This is gonna save me." 'Cause I knew as I kept getting better, I started getting this feeling of, "Oh, I'm good at something."

    27. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      Like, "I'm good at something dangerous." And then I got-

    29. DJ

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... really good at it. And then I started-

  7. 32:35 – 37:14

    Bruce Lee and the birth of modern MMA: 'use what’s useful'

    1. DJ

      Yeah. Everything in life. There's a great ... You probably know it, Bruce Lee quote from Enter the Dragon. Do you remember when they ... He was like ... His ... It was the, uh, one of his students, and he told the kid, "It's like a finger pointing away to the moon."

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DJ

      And he slapped him in the head. "Don't concentrate on the finger, or you're gonna lose all that heavenly glory around you."

    4. JR

      Yes.

    5. DJ

      You know?

    6. JR

      Yes.

    7. DJ

      So back to being present.

    8. JR

      Yeah. Bruce Lee was a bad motherfucker.

    9. DJ

      Dude.

    10. JR

      He was such a bad motherfucker.

    11. DJ

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      People d- really don't appreciate what he did because what he did was introduce martial arts in an exciting way-

    13. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      ... to the whole world.

    15. DJ

      Yes.

    16. JR

      Everybody was wearing kung fu outfits, and everybody-

    17. DJ

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... was fucking (laughs) taking-

    19. DJ

      Everyone (laughs) .

    20. JR

      ... martial arts classes.

    21. DJ

      Yes.

    22. JR

      Everybody wanted to be like Bruce Lee. He was the fucking coolest guy that ever e- existed in movies.

    23. DJ

      Oh, dude.

    24. JR

      All of a sudden, you got this little ripped Chinese guy who's fucking everybody up.

    25. DJ

      (laughs) And-

    26. JR

      And-

    27. DJ

      And everyone thought they were Bruce Lee, by the way.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. DJ

      I remember gett- tr- getting my first pair of nunchuks.

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  8. 37:14 – 41:23

    Fighting in real life: why street fights are stupid and how training can reduce bullying

    1. DJ

      Wha- when was the last time you got into a fight-fight?

    2. JR

      I never really got in fights. I mean, I got in, like, one or two in high school.

    3. DJ

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      But I, once I started training, I was just competing all the time. I never got into, like, street fights.

    5. DJ

      Right. And you were like-

    6. JR

      And just, they're stupid.

    7. DJ

      They're stupid.

    8. JR

      They're so stupid.

    9. DJ

      They're just fucking stupid, yes.

    10. JR

      Just, like, it's just your ego that keeps you there. It's one thing if you have to defend yourself, someone's attacking you.

    11. DJ

      Sure, yeah.

    12. JR

      Or something's dan- or someone's attacking someone you love. But to just get into fights because you know how to fight is so crazy.

    13. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      Because, like, you think, "Oh, if I could do what you do, I'd be beating the fuck out of people." No, you wouldn't, 'cause they'll shoot you.

    15. DJ

      Yeah. (laughs)

    16. JR

      They'll come back with a gun and fucking shoot you.

    17. DJ

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      You think people just like getting head kicked?

    19. DJ

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      No, they've-

    21. DJ

      Right.

    22. JR

      They're, they're gonna fuck you up, man.

    23. DJ

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      They, what, are you gonna look over your shoulder the rest of your life?

    25. DJ

      Yeah, yeah.

    26. JR

      No, you can't do that. You, you can't do that.

    27. DJ

      (laughs) That's so fucking silly.

    28. JR

      It's so dumb.

    29. DJ

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      It's so dumb. But also, that's people that haven't trained. They don't understand that, like-

  9. 41:23 – 45:19

    Social media’s double edge: information sharing vs toxicity and addiction

    1. JR

      The bullshit today is fascinating because it's social media bullshit.

    2. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      It's a different bullshit than people have ever experienced in all of human history.

    4. DJ

      Yes.

    5. JR

      These people that you don't know chiming in about everything. The good part of that is there's, uh, a sharing of ideas and there's a, a, a way of communicating that never existed before.

    6. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      And people are learning so much more about things than ever before.

    8. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      Social media allows people to break news stories long before mainstream media.

    10. DJ

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      It allows people to tell you about fascinating stories that maybe-

    12. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      ... you would have never heard of, and f- amazing archeological discoveries and scientific advancements, and it's incredible in that regard. But it's also, you're dealing with human beings in a weird form, where they're not in front of you, they're not talking to you eye to eye. They can say the shittiest things, and they don't feel anything.

    14. DJ

      That's right.

    15. JR

      And they're trying to hurt people's feelings, and they make it, like, an activity.

    16. DJ

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Like, their activity's not jujitsu. Their activity is, like, shitting on people online and starting trouble.

    18. DJ

      That, that's the trend-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. DJ

      ... today, that it's just to, to shit on everything.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. DJ

      But y- y- you're right. I wanna back up for a second, because it's so important, all right, that people hear this too, as well. I think especially coming from you and I, we're kinda in the public eye, and we deal with the shit and the noise and all that. But we also deal with the good stuff. And that-

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DJ

      Like you were saying, and I, I am an optimist, I think, in my DNA. So, I like to look and search for the good stuff that's out there-

    25. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    26. DJ

      The stuff that's gonna make me better, help me stretch out my aperture up here, looking at things like, "Oh, I never looked at it like that."

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. DJ

      Thank you for bringing that up. That's great. I don't know if I agree, but let's talk a little bit more. Compared to the ones who are the experts, toxicity, and it's this interesting thing that some people have to, "I'm gonna go out of my way to try and make you feel bad."

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. DJ

      And make people feel bad, and shit on this whole thing, and really not offer anything, I think, constructive-

  10. 45:19 – 1:03:56

    Separating signal from noise: Israel–Palestine, tribalism, and the danger of binary thinking

    1. DJ

      Right.

    2. JR

      ... try to be objective, and you j- you gotta try to be unemotional when you read something that someone's writing. Like, say if someone, someone's... Like Palestine and Israel is a great example.

    3. DJ

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Because it's... The tension is so heightened.

    5. DJ

      Oh.

    6. JR

      And anything you say on one side or the other, people will attack you on.

    7. DJ

      Sure.

    8. JR

      And so th- this is one that's a... If you have an opinion, a political opinion, a, a, a, a cultural opinion about the conflict, and you post it, boy, you are opening yourself up to a world of people agreeing and disagreeing and chaos and fighting.

    9. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      And some of those people are gonna have points that make sense. Like, say, if you are 100% pro-Palestine, and you read something about Hamas, and you read something, and you go, "Wow, that's fucking terrible." You know, you have to be willing to say, "Oh, there's both things."

    11. DJ

      Yes.

    12. JR

      There's the, you know, the, the, the fact that they live in what's essentially an open-air prison is fucking terrible. Also, w- the people that are ruling them are terrorists. That's terrible too. Like, you can't ignore any asp... This is a complicated thing. What... Some of the Israeli soldiers have done some evil things to Pales- There's videos of them shooting people. Also, what Hamas did is fucking insanely evil. Like, what, what has to be done to fix that? I do not know.

    13. DJ

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      But to pretend it's binary and to pretend it's one side good, one side bad-

    15. DJ

      That's right.

    16. JR

      ... that seems insane.

    17. DJ

      It, it's, it's all bad.

    18. JR

      It's all bad.

    19. DJ

      It's all fucking heartbreaking.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DJ

      It's all devastating. And you're right. There's a- and, well, what I've learned, I feel like we've all learned, or trying to learn at least, is, because it is so complicated.

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. DJ

      And that is a part of the world, and historically, thousands of years, that I find complicated and I, I try my best to understand. I also try to go at it with an open mind, because it is all fucking crazy.

    24. JR

      It's crazy.

    25. DJ

      Yeah. And, and-

    26. JR

      It doesn't seem like there's a real solution either, which is scary.

    27. DJ

      And, and there's the things that you said. Yes, and I want to get to that in a second, because I was thinking about that today, is the... Everything you said, absolutely. This part of it is devastating. This is devastating, this side, this side, um, the 240 hostages that still-

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. DJ

      ... uh, haven't come home yet. But also, where does it go?

    30. JR

      Right, where does it go?

  11. 1:03:56 – 1:07:04

    War, leadership, and incentives: drone strikes, the military-industrial complex, and accountability

    1. JR

      But if you're a person that has empathy, how do you conduct a drone strike where you know that a certain amount of civilians 100% are gonna die, but you know that a terrorist might be in this apartment building?

    2. DJ

      Hmm.

    3. JR

      How do you green light that? You know, 'cause you kind of have to if you wanna get rid of this terrorist, I mean, but we know the, the consequences of drone strikes. There's some insane number of people that are innocent civilians that get killed. Uh, it's hard... Uh, I, it's been explained to me by my friends in the military that it's very difficult to know the truth because oftentimes you get-

    4. DJ

      A- and truth in terms of what, brother? What, like-

    5. JR

      You get lies from-

    6. DJ

      Oh, I see.

    7. JR

      ... either side. Look, for sure, 100% for sure-

    8. DJ

      Truth in, to the, in term- in terms of the reasons for the orders that they give you?

    9. JR

      Not just the reason for the orders, but the amount of people that died that were innocent.

    10. DJ

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      But for sure, innocent people die.

    12. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      The question is, how many of them?

    14. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      You know, when they, when they say someone, "They bombed a wedding party," that's real. That's happened. Like, thousands of people have died that way all over the world.

    16. DJ

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Whether it's in Yemen or wha- wherever there's, they're conducting bombing raids, there have been many people that have not been a target that were killed.

    18. DJ

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      But what, what are those numbers and y- what, what's the reality of it? Because if you're on that side that get bombed, you might put out a press information. You might put out something that says, "A thousand innocent civilians," and, "They bombed a, a children's hospital."

    20. DJ

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      But the reality might be, it was actually 20 insurgents and 50 civilians. Like, we don't really know what the real numbers are unless you're on the ground doing a census.

    22. DJ

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      Like, I don't know if we get accurate information from either side.

    24. DJ

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      But if you're a president, you have to deal with that horrible reality that if you do an action, if there's some sort of a military action that has to be taking place, particularly like a drone bombing in a, a civilian area, you're gonna kill some innocent people.

    26. DJ

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      That is a crazy thing to have on your conscience if you have a moral compass.

    28. DJ

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      It's cra- Uh, and what are the options? To risk our service members and have them go in there and get gunned down and blown up and lose 50% of them because you didn't wanna kill the same number of innocent civilians? Like, and then you get into that conversation, it's like, (inhales sharply) what's the fucking, what's the solution there, right?

    30. DJ

      Y- yeah. Yeah, yeah.

  12. 1:07:04 – 1:20:31

    Domestic crises and Maui: government response, the San Francisco cleanup, and 'take care of our own'

    1. JR

      They can do things entirely to make money. You know, like, you, you see it and you, you see like, the amount of money that's involved in something like Ukraine, whether or not you're pro us helping Ukraine or not. Where did we come up with all that money and why don't we have that money to fix America? There was one point in time we talked about this where there was $6 billion they accidentally paid to Ukraine. They overpaid them $6 billion. Well, that's the exact amount of money it would take to rebuild every single house in Maui.

    2. DJ

      Exactly.

    3. JR

      Yeah. And no, no discussion about that at all. Instead, the Maui people get $700-

    4. DJ

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... a one-time payment, which is insane. What, what are we? Are we a community-

    6. DJ

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... or are we not? If we have the money to donate to some guy who is a fucking, literally used to be a standup comedian who used to play piano with his dick, that Zelenskyy. He used to ... He did a thing.

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