Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch

Grusch says multiple senior officials told him of crash‑retrieval and reverse‑engineering efforts that were never properly briefed to Congress or even some Gang of Eight members, raising serious constitutional and governance concerns.

He reports interviewing about 40 insiders—from engineers to multi‑star generals—reviewing intel reports (including foreign assessments of U.S. programs), and providing roughly 12 hours of classified testimony plus specific locations and program details to inspectors general and congressional staff.

Grusch describes historical efforts like Harry Reid’s attempt to move material from a Lockheed facility into a formal SAP, claims that intact craft and fragments exist, and notes that secrecy and narrow ‘rice bowls’ have impeded scientific progress and even contractor recruitment.

He singles out Representatives Mike Turner and Mike Rogers as blocking the Schumer Disclosure Amendment, arguing that special interests and fear of legal and financial fallout (e.g., FAR violations, contractor lawsuits) are major obstacles to transparency.

He recounts multi‑agency attempts to revoke his clearance, unfounded mental‑health accusations, career damage to colleagues, and two disturbing personal incidents meant to “show they could touch” him and his wife, all now part of ongoing inspector‑general investigations.