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Joe Rogan Experience #2073 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Derek is the fitness educator and entrepreneur behind the "More Plates, More Dates" YouTube channel, podcast and companion website. https://moreplatesmoredates.com

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  1. 0:00 – 1:59

    Cold plunge habits kick off—then a turn into Canadian politics and censorship

    1. NA

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) How are you, man?

    3. DD

      Long time no see. How come you didn't ... over here.

    4. JR

      (laughs) Good to see you again.

    5. DD

      Yeah, you as well.

    6. JR

      (clears throat) Do you do cold plunge?

    7. DD

      Um-

    8. JR

      Or are you just talking about it?

    9. DD

      (sighs) Yeah. It's, uh, something that I, I do occasionally, but I don't have one at my place, so it's not a regular part of my routine, but I would like it to be, and I guess I could do the cold shower thing, but it's, from my under-

    10. JR

      Do you live in an apartment?

    11. DD

      Yeah. From my understanding-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. DD

      ... it's not as, uh, I don't know, effective overall to like ... You wanna be fully immersed and kinda get the full experience.

    14. JR

      Yeah. It's, uh, I don't think it's as effective, but it's pretty effective, especially you live in a fucking frozen communist shithole of Canada.

    15. DD

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

    16. JR

      (laughs) It's cold. You get real cold water.

    17. DD

      When's the last time you've been up there? It's like-

    18. JR

      Oh, I don't go up there anymore.

    19. DD

      You refuse, right?

    20. JR

      Yeah. I just fucking ... What they've done up there, what they did with the trucker rally and what, what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet, that guy can eat shit.

    21. DD

      Hmm.

    22. JR

      Like, that, that place needs 100% an overhaul of government. Like, they're, they're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me.

    23. DD

      Yeah. I, uh ... (sighs) It's funny, 'cause even though I'm in Canada, it seems like the political ... The prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the States 'cause it's just far more interesting. But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political, you know, side of things that are trying to, you know, get Trudeau out and replace him, not much better, from my understanding. Like, it seems like everyone's a ... Every time I go on Twitter, I see Jordan Peterson shitting on some other guy-

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. DD

      ... who's, like, the next best option apparently.

  2. 1:59 – 5:54

    Pierre Poilievre clip: media “gotcha” interviews and propaganda dynamics

    1. JR

      Well, he likes that Pierre guy. What's that guy's name?

    2. DD

      (clicks tongue) I don't know.

    3. JR

      Pierre Poilievre? What is his name? There's the, the, the guy who's the reasonable Republican-type character or Conservative character. What is the-

    4. NA

      Yeah, I think he said it.

    5. JR

      (clicks tongue) Yeah. Pierre Poilievre. That guy is very smart.

    6. DD

      Okay.

    7. JR

      He's very interesting. There's a really funny video, I don't know if you ever saw it, but (clears throat) um, he's eating an apple, and he's talking to this reporter, and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions and, like, "What do you mean by that?" Like, "What does that mean?" And, like, he, like, he catches this reporter, like, "Says who? Who's saying this?" And it's ... Have you seen that video?

    8. DD

      I've never seen it.

    9. JR

      Jamie'll find it.

    10. NA

      Currently, you're obviously taking the populist, uh, pathway. Um-

    11. NA

      What does that mean?

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. NA

      (laughs) Well, ap- appealing, appealing to people's, uh, more emotional levels I would guess. Um, I mean, certainly-

    14. NA

      What do you mean by that?

    15. NA

      You certainly, you-

    16. NA

      Give me an example.

    17. NA

      ... certainly you tap, certainly you tap, uh, very strong ideological language quite frequently.

    18. NA

      Like what?

    19. NA

      Uh, left wing, you know, this and that. Right wing, they go, I mean, it's-

    20. DD

      It's, like, just buzzwords.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. NA

      I don't know. It's like-

    23. NA

      I don't give a fuck. I never heard anybody talk of a left or a right.

    24. NA

      Anyways, a lot of people-

    25. NA

      I don't really believe in that.

    26. NA

      Okay.

    27. DD

      (laughs)

    28. NA

      Taking a sh-

    29. JR

      It's, it's a longer conversation, but it's very interesting because it just shows you the level of ... The, the level of sophistication these fucking dopey reporters that are covering this kinda shit. Now, they are, they are just trying to always play "gotcha" stuff.

    30. DD

      The title was Does It Hurt Him? I wonder what the consensus is of, like, the average Canadian if they think it's, "Oh, this guy's legit," or if they're like, "This guy doesn't care about us at all."

  3. 5:54 – 10:13

    GSP’s post-fight lifestyle and why elite grapplers lean on PEDs

    1. JR

      I'll start talking about Georges St-Pierre and hockey. (laughs)

    2. DD

      Yeah. Does Georges still live in Canada or ...

    3. JR

      I believe he does.

    4. DD

      Okay.

    5. JR

      He's here a lot. He's here in Austin a lot 'cause he trains with the, the Danaher squad.

    6. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      You know, Gordon Ryan and those guys. So they're all out here.

    8. DD

      He's retired, but, like, what's his current lifestyle now? Is it just, like, training and social media? Or what-

    9. JR

      Well, you know, ...Unfortunately, George is a man of leisure, 'cause he made a shitload of money fighting.

    10. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      And so, he's really well-off, and he doesn't have to do anything. But he does enjoy traveling and training. And the guy still is involved in martial arts as just a vehicle for developing his life. So, he is super fit. I mean, like, top-notch fit. The guy still does this- this rigorous exercise routine. He still trains with all of the ... Like, these guys are professional jujitsu competitors. So, with the Danaher team, it's a very unusual team. Uh, I know you've covered Gordon and his steroid use and all that jazz.

    12. DD

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    13. JR

      And, uh, what I like about Gordon is he's fucking super open about it.

    14. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    15. JR

      You know? Like, he's not hiding shit.

    16. DD

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      He's like, "Look, everybody does it. This is what I do. I'm the best."

    18. DD

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      And then- and everybody's like, "But ... "

    20. DD

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      "But ... No!" (laughs)

    22. DD

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      But what they do is they train 365 days a year.

    24. DD

      That's wild.

    25. JR

      Yes. And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids.

    26. DD

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Like, that is not physically possible, with a normal endocrine system, to be recovering from six and eight-hour workouts-

    28. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      ... every day, 365 days a year. You're gonna get breakdown. There's just no ... Just, I mean, I don't give a fuck how many ice baths you take.

    30. DD

      Yeah.

  4. 10:13 – 16:13

    From DVDs to dopamine: gaming addiction, Quake nostalgia, and modern immersion

    1. DD

      Yeah, yeah. No, it's wild to see, uh ... If you look at the evolution of consoles-

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. DD

      ... over even the past, like, 20 years, it's like these little wild, uh, I guess now would be perceived as, like, totally foreign to-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. DD

      ... Gen Z or whatever.

    6. JR

      Well, I'm old as fuck, dude. When- when I was a kid, I remember Pong.

    7. DD

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      I was a little kid, and you could play a game on the television, and it was nuts.

    9. DD

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Nobody could believe it. And you had, like, this little dot that would go, "Doot-doo," and you would, like, with your little scroll wheel, you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot, "Doo-doo."

    11. DD

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      "Doo-doo, doo-doo," and me and my sister would play Pong. And we were like, "This is crazy. We're playing on TV! We're playing a video game on TV."

    13. DD

      When's the, what's the last game that you were, uh, into? Or did you, like, stop yourself after, uh, it was Doom, right? That you were-

    14. JR

      No, it was Quake.

    15. DD

      Oh, Quake, sorry.

    16. JR

      Yeah. Well, I didn't stop myself. Jamie and I, and Jeff (laughs) -

    17. DD

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      ... a- a few years back, we had a, uh, local area network room-

    19. DD

      Okay.

    20. JR

      ... in our old studio in LA.

    21. DD

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      And it- it got to be a real problem, where it's just too much fun.

    23. DD

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      So, we would get out of a podcast at, you know, 3:00-ish, and I would be playing till 6:00, 7:00 at night. And then I'd go home ... And I didn't feel good. I'd- I'd get out of there, I'd be frazzled, your adrenaline's flying.

    25. DD

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

    26. JR

      You're like, "Jesus Christ, I feel fucking terrible." (laughs)

    27. DD

      Yeah. It's like, uh ... Have you ever heard of, uh, Super Smash Bros before?

    28. JR

      Yes.

    29. DD

      Okay.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  5. 16:13 – 19:44

    Twitch, hot tub streamers, and the economics of watching instead of playing

    1. DD

      There's a lot of people that make good livings out of it, which is the crazy thing though.

    2. JR

      I know, that's what's weird now.

    3. DD

      So it's like how... It's almost hard, I don't even know what it would be like as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time or not.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. DD

      'Cause it's like the kid could be like, "I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class."

    6. JR

      Yeah, might, they might be making more money than their parents.

    7. DD

      Yeah, literally.

    8. JR

      Yeah, if your dad is something, "Well you gotta get a job, son."

    9. DD

      "Wait, have you seen how many Twitch subscribers I have?"

    10. JR

      Yeah. Well, yeah, you could... If you become popular and play games online, you can make a substantial living. So like if your kid was playing golf, and the kid said, uh, "I wanna be a professional golfer," you're like, "Well, are you winning tournaments? Do you, do you have a chance here? Like maybe this is a good career path for you, Johnny."

    11. DD

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      But no parent wants to go, "What the, what the fuck are you doing? League of Legends?"

    13. DD

      (laughs) Yeah.

    14. JR

      "You're a Le- My son's a League of Legends player on Twitch." "What?"

    15. DD

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      "Oh, what did you do?"

    17. DD

      Yeah, and you got... You sit there and just rack up donations while you play.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. DD

      The thing that's wild to me, and obviously people enjoy doing this so I'm not, you know, shitting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself, is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DD

      ... them as a creator is watching the live stream, so this means that there's thousands of people at home eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves. I'm just like...

    22. JR

      I would've never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing, like it is.

    23. DD

      Yeah, 'cause it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level 'cause-

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. DD

      ... you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good. So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way and you're just sitting there as an observer.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DD

      And somehow finding it worthwhile to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch him for hours, like I, I don't know. I just can't fathom it, personally.

    28. JR

      And then there's a whole industry of hot girls, like in their underwear playing video games.

    29. DD

      Oh, yeah. Yeah, or like I think there's a whole section on-I don't know if you've ever seen Twitch. It's a platform I'm so not familiar with, but I should for, you know, to understand what's going on with the gaming market. But, like, it's like hot tub streamers-

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  6. 19:44 – 24:16

    Dating apps, bots, and OnlyFans: single men stats and modern relationship friction

    1. JR

      But it's like, like what are the numbers of men in 2023 that are single? It's something absurd. It's an enormously large number of people that are single today, as opposed to in the past.

    2. DD

      Yeah, I've seen, uh, Chris Williamson has like, uh... He often posts, like, random statistics that he sees.

    3. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. DD

      And sometimes the numbers... I don't know where these surveys come from, because they're often the most wildly specific things or, "We surveyed men and 40% haven't talked to a girl in three years." I'm like, "Who are these dudes?" But, I believe it.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. DD

      Yeah, so it's pretty wild some of the stats that-

    7. NA

      I see this headline and I have a different interpretation of it, though. Most young men are single in 2023, most women are not. It's like when you ask, the guys will be like, "No, I'm not tied up." But the girl's like, "No, yeah, we're, we're dating."

    8. JR

      So the guys are lying or the girls-

    9. NA

      Or they just don't-

    10. JR

      ... are delusional?

    11. NA

      ... view it the same way.

    12. JR

      What's happening?

    13. DD

      I would be highly skeptical that there's that many, like, player dudes that are taking up the majority.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. NA

      I wouldn't even say, I'm not even saying players. I just don't think that they're, you know, they're not locked, they're, I'm, we're not locked down. They're not living with me, you know?

    16. DD

      Right, right.

    17. NA

      We're both still, I haven't deleted my Tinder account yet.

    18. JR

      Well, that's the big thing, right? The options that young people have today, dating single people have today with, with these dating apps is just... If anything seems like you're not in... You know, like, I don't like the way she said this or I don't like the way he did that. You, like, move onto the next swipe.

    19. DD

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, you never get past this thing where, you know, you try to, like, manage how to hang out with each other. 'Cause, you know, when you're dating, everyone has a different personality.

    21. DD

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      And some things that some people love, other people are like, "Hey, don't do that." And you're like, "Oh, all right. I didn't know."

    23. DD

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      "I thought you liked it when I opened up the door." You know? Like, whatever it is. It's like there's always gonna be a thing that someone doesn't like. And everyone has so many options today. It's, it's gotta be s-... If you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, like, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options... Because those options in a dating app are just as addictive, I would imagine, as some video games.

    25. DD

      Oh, for sure.

    26. JR

      'Cause you're engaging with new people.

    27. DD

      Have you ever seen a girl go through her Tinder to show, like, how absurd it is for what the demand is for them relative to dudes?

    28. JR

      Honestly, I haven't.

    29. DD

      Oh, it's wild.

    30. JR

      I've seen people talk about it online, but I've never seen anybody do it in person.

  7. 24:16 – 39:06

    OnlyFans in real relationships: deal-breakers, managers, and huge celebrity earnings

    1. DD

      ... what... Let's just say, and maybe this is too extreme of a hypothetical, but let's just say you're in your 20s and you're dating somebody, and she's an OnlyFans girl.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DD

      Is that a deal-breaker for you?

    4. JR

      Not if I'm in my 20s it's not, no. If I'm in my 20s... First of all, I'd be like, "How are you making so much money? This is crazy. Can I show my asshole?"

    5. DD

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      If I was in my 20s (laughs) . But then you'd have to do it probably for gay guys, 'cause women-

    7. DD

      Oh, for sure.

    8. JR

      ... are not gonna pay.

    9. DD

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Uh, uh, I, I would think that what I would do is just accept the fact that this isn't going anywhere, and then w- we're gonna have some fun.

    11. DD

      Okay, well, what if it's a somebody that you thought would have potential as a serious long-term thing, would that be the deal-breaker, that...

    12. JR

      I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an OnlyFans. I don't think you, I don't think it would take long... I mean, I think if you waited a long time, like d- if you were dating six to eight months, like, "How do you have all these shoes?"

    13. DD

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Like, "Where'd you get this car?" Like, it was a (laughs) -

    15. DD

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... like, "What do you do for work?"

    17. DD

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      If it was one of those things, you know, and then you, "Oh, you have an OnlyFans," and then you were already in love with this woman, that would be, that'd be an issue, I guess. Or, maybe you just, like, shift gears and go, "Okay, I guess this is what I accept." I mean- I mean, uh, it's possible, it's feasible, for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach-

    19. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      ... to what her OnlyFans is, and think about only as a, "This is just a business thing. I, I'm just making... I don't wanna work at Wendy's."

    21. DD

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      "And so I'm doing this, and I am making extraordinary amounts of money, and I'm gonna invest this money in real estate," and smart.

    23. DD

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      You could, you could look at it that way.

    25. DD

      What would be the, uh, threshold of acceptable behavior on OnlyFans, though? 'Cause it's like-

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. DD

      It ranges from, like (laughs) -

    28. JR

      Bananas in your pussy to-

    29. DD

      Yeah, to like-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  8. 39:06 – 48:09

    Tommy Lee, celebrity fights that never happen, and the Wesley Snipes tax saga

    1. JR

      I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when he wanted to fight Kid Rock.

    2. DD

      Oh, okay.

    3. JR

      A buddy of mine is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards.

    4. DD

      Okay.

    5. JR

      He says, "Tommy, Tommy wants to meet you." I'm like, "Okay." So, I go to one of their concerts. When they, when they were doing that show Rock Star Supernova. Do you remember Rock Star Supernova?

    6. DD

      No. When was that?

    7. JR

      It was, like, a television show where they put together a band.

    8. DD

      Oh.

    9. JR

      They, like, made a band.

    10. DD

      Okay.

    11. JR

      And Tommy Lee was a part of it. Who else was in that?

    12. NA

      Uh, who is it?

    13. JR

      Who was that really handsome guy? Dave Navarro. Wasn't he in that too?

    14. NA

      Who are these guys?

    15. JR

      Um, I don't know, but Tommy Lee was a part of it.

    16. NA

      I'm trying to figure out who-

    17. JR

      Right?

    18. NA

      ... I'll look at the pictures. I don't ... Oh, there's their names. So, Lucas, Rossi, Gilby, Clarke, Tommy Lee, Johnny, Colt, Jason Newsted from Metallica.

    19. JR

      Yeah. So, they had this thing. So, anyway, we went to the concert, good show, in then afterwards, uh, I got to meet Tommy. And Tommy was like, "I wanna fight Kid Rock. I wanna kick his fucking ass." 'Cause, like, Kid Rock had dated Pamela Anderson-

    20. DD

      Oh.

    21. JR

      ... and Tommy used to be married to Pamela Ander- ... So they had some fucking ... (laughs) So, they were trying to set up a fight, like, Kid Rock and Tommy Lee in a fight. (laughs)

    22. DD

      So, what were you gonna do? I was like ...

    23. JR

      I was gonna, like, introduce them to trainers, and I just wanted to-

    24. DD

      Oh.

    25. JR

      He asked ... He just wanted to talk to me about it. I did not know what he wanted to talk about.

    26. DD

      Huh.

    27. JR

      And so then when I got there, I was like, "Hmm. Okay. What are you t- ... What's, what's your lifestyle? Like, how committed are you to this? Like, how, how much can you train? Like, how much time do you think you need to prepare? Like, do you have any experience at all in combat sports? Like, do you just think you're gonna kick his ass 'cause you hate him?"

    28. DD

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      You know? And K- Kid Rock, like, I would put my money on that motherfucker. Like, he seems (laughs) he seems like a t- a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before. You know?

    30. DD

      So, who, uh ... Why didn't that happen?

  9. 48:09 – 52:41

    Money management, athlete fraud, and how brain damage can amplify bad decisions

    1. DD

      Did you hear anything about this, that this was going on, uh, probably in the background of stuff that's very important in life?

    2. JR

      I did-

    3. DD

      (laughs)

    4. JR

      ... hear about it, but I didn't hear the details. So it says, "Glenn 'Big Baby' Davis convicted in NBA insurance fraud scheme." And what is, what was the scheme?

    5. DD

      From my understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these, uh, players gr- uh, not graduate, but when they retire, they're still afforded some sort of, um-

    6. JR

      Pension?

    7. DD

      It's part of the pension, I guess. And based off of how they go and file things, certain ... They get payments for certain levels of what- whatever it is, doctors, dentists, whatever it is. So it's (clears throat) fraudulent invoices were created over X amount of years, and they were just taking the money, I guess.

    8. JR

      Mm. Huh.

    9. DD

      And it's ... And then they, like ... (clears throat) I guess a few players got wrapped up into it, but I remember reading about it. It was just like $1,000 here, 1,500 bucks here, 2,000 bucks here.

    10. JR

      And it just adds up.

    11. DD

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Hmm.

    13. DD

      But these are guys that, you know, NBA champions, made millions of dollars.

    14. JR

      The thing is, you make those millions of dollars and then your career's over and you're like, "Oh, shit."

    15. DD

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a Rolls Royce or something. And you're like, "Ugh."

    17. DD

      Yeah, you can just, uh... How many pro athletes do you know that have, you know, been crushing it and then got way in over their head with-

    18. JR

      A lot.

    19. DD

      ... lifestyle? Yeah.

    20. JR

      I know a lot of fighters like that. And with fighters it's also, you're compounding the issue of traumatic brain injury because one of the things that happens with people that have been hit in the head a bunch is they, they become very impulsive, they make risky decisions, they gamble a lot, they're, they're real... They're... Something gets knocked loose.

    21. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      That's a real thing. It happens with football players. It happens with a lot of fighters. And th- those people, they lose their impulse control. It's part of getting hit in the head a lot. It, it makes you a little bit more reckless, which is really wild.

    23. DD

      Damn.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. DD

      So they, if anyone needs that high level advisement-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DD

      ... it's those guys.

    28. JR

      But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to, right?

    29. DD

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Because a lot of these people are also very headstrong, you know, strong egos, they've been doing it their own way, they become champions that way, and to, like, adjust that shift in the way you think and say, "Oh, I'm kind of a fuck up. I'm a little wild with my money. I need someone to invest my money." And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, in three years from now, you're gonna be making zero money.

  10. 52:41 – 1:09:19

    Stem cells, injury rehab, and Rogan’s daily training stack (cold plunge → workouts → sauna)

    1. JR

      Yeah, he's gone to Colombia, got stem cells. But the, the problem is, and this, it's a big problem with these athletes, is that if you do get s- Like, my friend Shane Dorian, do you know who he is?

    2. DD

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Big wave surfer. Shane just went down to, uh, Tijuana, to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico. He went down there and they told him, "Once you have this procedure..." So he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to, uh, to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body smashing down the discs. They told him, "You're not doing anything for eight weeks." Nothing.

    4. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      So for a guy like him that's, like, super fit and very active, it's like, "What can I do?" You can walk. Like, you have to give these cells time to actually do their work. And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely a- ag- er, aggravating all these preexisting injuries and conditions, and the stem cells are never gonna get a chance to do their job. Like, you've got to give this tissue a chance to re-proliferate. You've got to give your body a chance to heal. And it's got... The- they have to go to work. And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not gonna work.

    6. DD

      You recently had, uh, it done and you're taking how much... You have to do the same thing, eight weeks off, or?

    7. JR

      Yeah, you have to... You... If you're doing something like, that you have, like, a pretty significant injury, like, I would imagine sp- Uh, this is the, the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off, and that's, I think, because they were going into his discs.

    8. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      But I had a, a torn MCL on my left knee, and, uh, I got stem cells in it, and then, like, a few weeks later, I was training hard again, like, kicking the bag and doing Muay Thai and kicking pads, and it just kept getting... It kept flaring up.

    10. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      It just wo- And then I said, "Okay, I see what the fuck is going on here and I know how hard-headed I am." I gotta take a year off of Muay Thai, and I took a whole year. One year I didn't kick at all, and all I did is those knees over toes guys things-

    12. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      ... and stem cells, and now it's great.

    14. DD

      That makes sense.

    15. JR

      But I, I had to give it that time. It... I was just always re-aggravating the same injury. It would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't hurt anymore, and then... When you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power-... you're taking your- m- the mass of your body, which in my case is 200 pounds, you're exploding off the ground, and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad-

    16. DD

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... over and over and over and over again. It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there.

    18. DD

      What was the recent treatment you had done? Like, what was it for?

    19. JR

      I had it done just a couple days ago because I have l-... uh, I think what is overuse. I think it's probably, like, some sort of tendonitis in my lower back, and it's from archery.

    20. DD

      Hmm.

    21. JR

      It's from, (clears throat) you know, when you're, uh, pulling a bow back, I have two bows. One is, uh, 80 pounds to pull back, and one is 90. And so I'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day.

    22. DD

      Damn.

    23. JR

      Over and over and over again. So it's this motion, where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down. And a lot of that stability and locking it down and, like, maintaining your posture is in my right lower back. Like, that's where, like, everything sort of, like, balances out. That's, like, the fulcrum or the, the, the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet, and that's what kinda keeps it stable. And that was getting overused to the point where I would draw my bow back, and I could do it a few times, and then, like, on the 10th time, the 11th time, it would start to flare up and was becoming an issue. So I got some stem cell shot into that.

    24. DD

      So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now?

    25. JR

      I have to take some time off. I'll take a couple weeks off.

    26. DD

      Okay.

    27. JR

      Yeah. I'll, I'll be... Uh, but I have a easy bow too. I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds, and so that one doesn't seem to bother me, so I can do that. It's just, like, as soon as something bothers me, I stop, and then I'm doing the ice baths and I'm rolling it out. I'm shooting BPC-157 in there, and it's better. It's, it's already pretty significantly better.

    28. DD

      Nice. Yeah. That's, uh... Is that... So part of your daily routine is, like, 150 shots?

    29. JR

      No, no, no, no.

    30. DD

      Like, you said every day, I'm hearing 100 to 150.

  11. 1:09:19 – 1:35:41

    Carnivore diet, red-light beds, fitness trackers, and “biohacking” gamification

    1. DD

      What's your current, uh, I don't know, like, supplementation and/or, like, drugs for, you know, staying dialed or mentally sharp? Or is there? Is it just perfect diet or... ?

    2. JR

      Well, uh, for supplementation, um, I've recently had Gary Brecka on the podcast.

    3. DD

      Oh, yeah.

    4. JR

      And started, I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends. I just started doing it. I can't tell... I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement. I also ordered one of his light beds-

    5. DD

      Hmm.

    6. JR

      ... which seemed... Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger. And there's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat. I noticed when I got on the carnivore diet, my, like, your cheeks get kinda sucked in and you kinda look like shit, because it's like you don't have f- face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more.

    7. DD

      Right, right.

    8. JR

      So your face starts getting, like, kinda sunken in. His face did that at first, and then it plumped up again. And I'm like, "What's going on with that?" And the, and he's like, "It's the red light bed." Like, the red light bed increases collagen in your skin, and you use it every day. And he uses it... He's got a routine that Gary Brecka does. What does he call it? The superhuman protocol something? I forget what he calls it.

    9. DD

      Is Dana still... Like, I'm pretty sure he was on a keto-

    10. JR

      Yep.

    11. DD

      ... diet when he was dieting down. Is he still on keto?

    12. JR

      Yep.

    13. DD

      Okay.

    14. JR

      He says he's gonna be on that forever.

    15. DD

      Huh.

    16. JR

      He's like, "Dude, I feel so good. I have so much energy and so much mental clarity," he goes, "I'm staying keto forever."

    17. DD

      He hasn't added carbs cyclically around workout training?

    18. JR

      No. No.

    19. DD

      Oh.

    20. JR

      No.

    21. DD

      'Cause that would definitely be like... He's holding less water in his face too when you have no carbs.

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. DD

      So that would be a big, you know-

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. DD

      ... suck outta there.

    26. JR

      Yeah. Well, that's what happened with me, for sure. When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I know, I lost a shitload of body fat.

    27. DD

      Hmm.

    28. JR

      Like, I got really ripped.

    29. DD

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Like, pretty easily. Like, this is kind of extraordinary. And also, the thing that, that's the most beneficial to me is the, uh, mental focus and clarity, which I did... I mean, I did it once before, in, like, four or five years ago, I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds.

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