Joe Rogan Experience #2073 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) How are you, man?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:12 Long time no see. How come you didn't ... over here.

Joe Rogan 0:16 (laughs) Good to see you again.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:17 Yeah, you as well.

Joe Rogan 0:18 (clears throat) Do you do cold plunge?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:20 Um-

Joe Rogan 0:21 Or are you just talking about it?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:22 (sighs) Yeah. It's, uh, something that I, I do occasionally, but I don't have one at my place, so it's not a regular part of my routine, but I would like it to be, and I guess I could do the cold shower thing, but it's, from my under-

Joe Rogan 0:37 Do you live in an apartment?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:37 Yeah. From my understanding-

Joe Rogan 0:39 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:39 ... it's not as, uh, I don't know, effective overall to like ... You wanna be fully immersed and kinda get the full experience.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Yeah. It's, uh, I don't think it's as effective, but it's pretty effective, especially you live in a fucking frozen communist shithole of Canada.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:55 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 (laughs) It's cold. You get real cold water.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 0:58 When's the last time you've been up there? It's like-

Joe Rogan 0:59 Oh, I don't go up there anymore.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:01 You refuse, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02 Yeah. I just fucking ... What they've done up there, what they did with the trucker rally and what, what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet, that guy can eat shit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:15 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Like, that, that place needs 100% an overhaul of government. Like, they're, they're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:28 Yeah. I, uh ... (sighs) It's funny, 'cause even though I'm in Canada, it seems like the political ... The prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the States 'cause it's just far more interesting. But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political, you know, side of things that are trying to, you know, get Trudeau out and replace him, not much better, from my understanding. Like, it seems like everyone's a ... Every time I go on Twitter, I see Jordan Peterson shitting on some other guy-

Joe Rogan 1:56 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:56 ... who's, like, the next best option apparently.

Joe Rogan 1:59 Well, he likes that Pierre guy. What's that guy's name?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 2:02 (clicks tongue) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 2:03 Pierre Poilievre? What is his name? There's the, the, the guy who's the reasonable Republican-type character or Conservative character. What is the-

Narrator 2:14 Yeah, I think he said it.

Joe Rogan 2:15 (clicks tongue) Yeah. Pierre Poilievre. That guy is very smart.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 2:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:20 He's very interesting. There's a really funny video, I don't know if you ever saw it, but (clears throat) um, he's eating an apple, and he's talking to this reporter, and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions and, like, "What do you mean by that?" Like, "What does that mean?" And, like, he, like, he catches this reporter, like, "Says who? Who's saying this?" And it's ... Have you seen that video?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 2:41 I've never seen it.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Jamie'll find it.

Narrator 2:45 Currently, you're obviously taking the populist, uh, pathway. Um-

2:49 What does that mean?

Joe Rogan 2:51 (laughs)

Narrator 2:51 (laughs) Well, ap- appealing, appealing to people's, uh, more emotional levels I would guess. Um, I mean, certainly-

2:58 What do you mean by that?

2:58 You certainly, you-

2:59 Give me an example.

2:59 ... certainly you tap, certainly you tap, uh, very strong ideological language quite frequently.

3:03 Like what?

3:05 Uh, left wing, you know, this and that. Right wing, they go, I mean, it's-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 3:10 It's, like, just buzzwords.

Joe Rogan 3:11 (laughs)

Narrator 3:11 I don't know. It's like-

3:12 I don't give a fuck. I never heard anybody talk of a left or a right.

3:13 Anyways, a lot of people-

3:14 I don't really believe in that.

3:15 Okay.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 3:16 (laughs)

Narrator 3:17 Taking a sh-

Joe Rogan 3:18 It's, it's a longer conversation, but it's very interesting because it just shows you the level of ... The, the level of sophistication these fucking dopey reporters that are covering this kinda shit. Now, they are, they are just trying to always play "gotcha" stuff.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 3:32 The title was Does It Hurt Him? I wonder what the consensus is of, like, the average Canadian if they think it's, "Oh, this guy's legit," or if they're like, "This guy doesn't care about us at all."

Joe Rogan 3:44 It's a good question. I mean, I think, uh, propaganda affects everyone, and I, I think Canadian propaganda is a little more tightened down, in control. What they did with the truckers, like, for example, like, the way Trudeau just openly labeled them as racist and misogynist-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:00 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:00 ... and then, when people were donating to this, uh, trucker movement when they were trying to, you know, have this protest, they, they closed down people's bank accounts who'd donated-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:12 Yeah, that's really fucked up.

Joe Rogan 4:13 I mean, that is third world country shit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:16 The fact that they think they can do that in Canada is insane.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:19 Have you seen the, uh, (sighs) the ban of news in Canada to where if you're located in Canada, you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets, or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets, refuse to pay Canada their own fee essentially?

Joe Rogan 4:37 Uh-huh.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:38 So if I'm in Canada and I go on Instagram and try to go to a, you know, a news page that's outside of Canadian media, it'll literally say, "Can't view. Unavailable in Canada." Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:50 It's nuts. That's like China.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:52 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 4:52 I mean, it's literally like what they do in foreign countries that are run by dictators.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 4:57 Yeah. Yeah, dude. The, the bills ... It seems like every couple weeks, there's some new gong show of a bill that everyone says is gonna, you know, wipe out creators off social media or force-

Joe Rogan 5:07 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:07 ... you to make Canadian content only, which is, like, this super nebulous thing that you have no idea, "Am I only gonna be a- be able to talk about, like, maple syrup and beavers and shit?"

Joe Rogan 5:16 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:16 Or, like, what's it gonna be? Uh, you don't know. So that's, uh, a concern as somebody on YouTube especially, so ...

Joe Rogan 5:23 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:24 Yeah. But, um ...

Joe Rogan 5:25 Yeah, I've heard concerning things, that my podcast, at one point in time, might not even be available in Canada because of this.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Like, that, that's a concern, that this could be used in that manner to stop people from accessing podcasts, especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:44 (laughs) Oh, yeah. You definitely (laughs) won't be on there.

Joe Rogan 5:46 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:47 Yeah. If you make Canadian enough content, then you'll get promoted, though.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Yeah. Okay. I'll start talking about hockey.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:53 Yeah. Yeah. Basically.

Joe Rogan 5:54 I'll start talking about Georges St-Pierre and hockey. (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 5:56 Yeah. Does Georges still live in Canada or ...

Joe Rogan 5:59 I believe he does.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 6:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:00 He's here a lot. He's here in Austin a lot 'cause he trains with the, the Danaher squad.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 6:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:05 You know, Gordon Ryan and those guys. So they're all out here.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 6:08 He's retired, but, like, what's his current lifestyle now? Is it just, like, training and social media? Or what-

Joe Rogan 6:16 Well, you know, ...Unfortunately, George is a man of leisure, 'cause he made a shitload of money fighting.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 6:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:21 And so, he's really well-off, and he doesn't have to do anything. But he does enjoy traveling and training. And the guy still is involved in martial arts as just a vehicle for developing his life. So, he is super fit. I mean, like, top-notch fit. The guy still does this- this rigorous exercise routine. He still trains with all of the ... Like, these guys are professional jujitsu competitors. So, with the Danaher team, it's a very unusual team. Uh, I know you've covered Gordon and his steroid use and all that jazz.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 6:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 And, uh, what I like about Gordon is he's fucking super open about it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:01 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:01 You know? Like, he's not hiding shit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:03 He's like, "Look, everybody does it. This is what I do. I'm the best."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:07 And then- and everybody's like, "But ... "

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:10 "But ... No!" (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:14 But what they do is they train 365 days a year.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:17 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Yes. And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Like, that is not physically possible, with a normal endocrine system, to be recovering from six and eight-hour workouts-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:30 ... every day, 365 days a year. You're gonna get breakdown. There's just no ... Just, I mean, I don't give a fuck how many ice baths you take.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:38 You know? You're train- ... These guys are training all day long. They- they- they're doing different levels of training, right? So, they're doing weightlifting training. So, most of Gordon's work ... Gordon's girlfriend was a professional bodybuilder.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 7:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:52 And so most of his is just size and build. It's- it's not really, like, functional training, like, you'll- you'll see the old videos of Alexander Karelin. Do you know who he is?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 8:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:02 So, you see that guy doing kettlebells and fucking, you know, shield casts with giant steel plates over his head. Gordon's not doing any of that stuff. It's all a lot of bodybuilding stuff. Um, they do that, then they're doing drills where they're just ab- they're analyzing positions and finding problems with these positions, and they'll go over tape, and then- then ... I mean, it's fucking meticulous, man. I mean, you have to have ... I- I don't know if they're on Adderall, but-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 8:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:30 ... I would imagine that would help. But something y- something is very different about the way they train. And the- and then they're drilling, and then they're doing, of course, they're doing live sparring. So, they're doing ... They're rolling, they're, you know, they're- they're going from certain positions. They have goals to get to a certain position or to avoid a certain position. And they're advancing faster than any group of jujitsu people on the planet Earth. But you have to be a fucking maniac. You have to be a 365-day-a-year com- fully committed. You miss nothing. I- I don't give a fuck about your holidays.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:05 No one gives a fuck about Christmas. Fuck you it's your birthday, get in there. Everybody's in there.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:10 Is the goal ... Like, I've seen them on UFC Fight Pass and some of these new, more, uh, they seem to be expanding in their reach. What is, like, the goal of the top guys in that sport? Is it typically to just stay at the top of the sport, or do a lot of them transition to MMA at some point?

Joe Rogan 9:26 A lot of them will transition. But a lot of them don't want brain damage. You know?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:31 Yeah, fair enough.

Joe Rogan 9:31 They just don't. You know? I don't think ... Gor- Gordon makes so much money doing just jujitsu. I mean, he makes millions of dollars every year just selling videos.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:41 It's crazy how he still has, uh, is it, like, actual DVDs? Like, he has D- he has, like, uh, media he sells in, like, DVD format, I think?

Joe Rogan 9:50 I don't believe so. I think it's digital download.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:53 I would assume, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:53 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:54 I cou- I could've sworn-

Joe Rogan 9:55 There's-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 9:55 ... somebody said he, like, sold physical DVDs.

Joe Rogan 9:57 I'm sure he probably does that as well, but I- I don't even know if I have a DVD player.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:00 Yeah (laughs) , me neither, that's why it seemed odd to me.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Which is so crazy-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 ... because I would've never thought that a physical media player was just gonna go away.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:09 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:10 That everything would just be in the fucking air (laughs) .

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:13 Yeah, yeah. No, it's wild to see, uh ... If you look at the evolution of consoles-

Joe Rogan 10:17 Mm-hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:17 ... over even the past, like, 20 years, it's like these little wild, uh, I guess now would be perceived as, like, totally foreign to-

Joe Rogan 10:25 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:25 ... Gen Z or whatever.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Well, I'm old as fuck, dude. When- when I was a kid, I remember Pong.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:31 I was a little kid, and you could play a game on the television, and it was nuts.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Nobody could believe it. And you had, like, this little dot that would go, "Doot-doo," and you would, like, with your little scroll wheel, you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot, "Doo-doo."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:50 "Doo-doo, doo-doo," and me and my sister would play Pong. And we were like, "This is crazy. We're playing on TV! We're playing a video game on TV."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 10:59 When's the, what's the last game that you were, uh, into? Or did you, like, stop yourself after, uh, it was Doom, right? That you were-

Joe Rogan 11:06 No, it was Quake.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:07 Oh, Quake, sorry.

Joe Rogan 11:08 Yeah. Well, I didn't stop myself. Jamie and I, and Jeff (laughs) -

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:12 ... a- a few years back, we had a, uh, local area network room-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:16 Okay.

Joe Rogan 11:16 ... in our old studio in LA.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:18 And it- it got to be a real problem, where it's just too much fun.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:22 So, we would get out of a podcast at, you know, 3:00-ish, and I would be playing till 6:00, 7:00 at night. And then I'd go home ... And I didn't feel good. I'd- I'd get out of there, I'd be frazzled, your adrenaline's flying.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:34 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:34 You're like, "Jesus Christ, I feel fucking terrible." (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:37 Yeah. It's like, uh ... Have you ever heard of, uh, Super Smash Bros before?

Joe Rogan 11:41 Yes.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 11:42 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 11:42 So, my girlfriend, uh, got me what was, I guess, the best and worst gift at the same time a couple years ago. It was a Nintendo Switch for Christmas, and that game ... And I haven't ... I pretty much swore off games years ago 'cause I just knew once I got into them, it's gonna fuck my day. It's like it very much-

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 12:01 ... saps my bandwidth, and the dopamine hit you get from it is insane. It's like a drug, essentially.

Joe Rogan 12:07 Insane.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 12:07 So ...I played it, and it was- it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now.

Joe Rogan 12:13 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 12:14 So I need to- I'm highly considering just getting rid of it and getting it out of my house. It's almost like junk food, where you have to keep it out of the house to not-

Joe Rogan 12:21 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 12:21 ... go ham on it. With the games, it's the same thing, dude. And the, the wa- the graphics now, and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything, compared to Pong back in the day, I can just imagine-

Joe Rogan 12:32 Oh, yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 12:32 ... what it does to your expectation of, like, dopamine hits, and then what other stuff in life feels like rew- reward-wise, r- like proportionately to it. It's probably like fucking night and day compared to the Pong days.

Joe Rogan 12:45 Night and day. We were playing Quake Cha- it's Quake Champions, right? And this is a game that you play, you have headphones on, and you can hear sounds behind you, you can hear them to the right, to the left. Super sophisticated. When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds. You have immersive graphics. You're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and it lights the wall as the rockets are missing you.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 13:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:13 I mean, the shadows, everything. It's in- it's so insanely vivid and so fun. This is Quake.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 13:22 Oh, damn.

Joe Rogan 13:24 And this is how fast it moves too. And when you shoot people, they turn into fucking mist. (laughs) Look at that.

Narrator 13:32 Enemy has the quad.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Quad is quad power. That gives you four times the power. Imagine playing this.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 13:45 Oh, yeah.

Narrator 13:45 It's like-

Joe Rogan 13:45 For hours a day.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 13:48 And it's just like, uh, playing in teams where there's no real end in sight, because you never win the game. You just keep playing.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah, you start a new game.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 13:57 Over and over.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Over and over and over again. And then you can hop on these servers, so like if you're, you're at home by yourself, you can just hop on a server and there's always people playing.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:07 What is the, uh, is this the most recent iteration of the game?

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah, this is the most recent.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 14:13 It's so exciting.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:14 It's wild because- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:16 This is what you're playing?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:16 Oh, yeah. Dude, so this game is brutal 'cause it has in- seemingly infinite amounts of maps. There's probably like-

Joe Rogan 14:26 Whoa.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:26 Like look at that shit.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Whoa.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:27 All the colors and stuff. It's like your brain doesn't even know to process it at first.

Joe Rogan 14:31 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:32 And there's, uh, I don't know how many characters, like almost 100 or something, and it's essentially the main, or the most sought after characters or protagonists and antagonists or whatever from major video games. So you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever essentially.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Oh, wow.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 14:53 So even if you "win" a game, the amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do, it never really gets stale, so you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight. And the wild thing too is oftentimes I'm just playing against a computer, but I'll actually get pissed off when I lose, like I have to avenge myself and go beat the computer.

Joe Rogan 15:16 Ah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 15:16 So I'll be like, "I'm gonna stay here 'til I beat this fucking guy," even though it's not even a human.

Joe Rogan 15:19 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 15:22 And then I'll burn an hour. I'll be like-

Joe Rogan 15:24 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 15:24 And that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Well, there's so many of these games like this, and there's so many different styles of game. If you're into this style of game or if you're into, like, Half-Life. You ever, you ever play Half-Life?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 15:37 Heard of it, seen it, never played it, though.

Joe Rogan 15:39 It's a game about, like some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal and aliens come out and you gotta fight 'em, and it's, it's in this laboratory and it's... And it's, these games are so immersive. They're just, they're just so... It's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 15:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:58 ... with insane graphics, and they're, they're really well mapped out and planned out and they make them really challenging and exciting, and... If you're a person that's into those things, like you don't... Fuck all your free time, it's gone.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:12 It's gone.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:13 There's a lot of people that make good livings out of it, which is the crazy thing though.

Joe Rogan 16:17 I know, that's what's weird now.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:18 So it's like how... It's almost hard, I don't even know what it would be like as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time or not.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:25 'Cause it's like the kid could be like, "I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class."

Joe Rogan 16:30 Yeah, might, they might be making more money than their parents.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:33 Yeah, literally.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Yeah, if your dad is something, "Well you gotta get a job, son."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:37 "Wait, have you seen how many Twitch subscribers I have?"

Joe Rogan 16:39 Yeah. Well, yeah, you could... If you become popular and play games online, you can make a substantial living. So like if your kid was playing golf, and the kid said, uh, "I wanna be a professional golfer," you're like, "Well, are you winning tournaments? Do you, do you have a chance here? Like maybe this is a good career path for you, Johnny."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 But no parent wants to go, "What the, what the fuck are you doing? League of Legends?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:01 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:02 "You're a Le- My son's a League of Legends player on Twitch." "What?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 "Oh, what did you do?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:08 Yeah, and you got... You sit there and just rack up donations while you play.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:12 The thing that's wild to me, and obviously people enjoy doing this so I'm not, you know, shitting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself, is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports-

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:25 ... them as a creator is watching the live stream, so this means that there's thousands of people at home eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves. I'm just like...

Joe Rogan 17:38 I would've never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing, like it is.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:41 Yeah, 'cause it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level 'cause-

Joe Rogan 17:46 Mm-hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:46 ... you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good. So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way and you're just sitting there as an observer.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 17:56 And somehow finding it worthwhile to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch him for hours, like I, I don't know. I just can't fathom it, personally.

Joe Rogan 18:03 And then there's a whole industry of hot girls, like in their underwear playing video games.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:09 Oh, yeah. Yeah, or like I think there's a whole section on-I don't know if you've ever seen Twitch. It's a platform I'm so not familiar with, but I should for, you know, to understand what's going on with the gaming market. But, like, it's like hot tub streamers-

Joe Rogan 18:25 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:25 ... or, like, inflatable pool streamers.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:27 And these chicks just, like, put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in a, like, inflatable pool in their house and just, like, wait around and talk to you, I guess.

Joe Rogan 18:39 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:39 And rack up millions over the year.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Yeah, it's nuts.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:44 Some will sell the water that they were in.

Joe Rogan 18:46 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:46 Just like multi-level supply chain management.

Joe Rogan 18:50 They'll sell the water.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:52 Bottling it up in front of you in mason jars.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:54 Literally.

Joe Rogan 18:54 This one's for you, Doug.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 18:55 It's funny because you say that as a joke, but it's actually what happens.

Joe Rogan 18:58 Oh my God.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:00 Yeah. And they make bank off it.

Joe Rogan 19:01 The number of incels buying pond water-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:05 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 19:05 ... from Twitch streamers. (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:06 Yeah. No, I can't even... I can't imagine, like, what mindset you would have to be in to justify that purchase, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:14 You gotta be really obsessed with that person.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:16 Like, do you get the jar, the mason jar and then you, like, jerk off to the water? Like-

Joe Rogan 19:20 Probably.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:20 ... I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:22 Probably use the water to jerk off with.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:23 Ah. Utility right there.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Yeah. There you go.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:27 I guess.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:28 I'm just guessing. Maybe they put it on a shelf. "Oh, that's Debbie's water."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:32 Yeah. Sure.

Joe Rogan 19:33 "She's my favorite Twitch streamer."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:34 Could be an investment, I suppose, but I can't imagine that playing out.

Joe Rogan 19:39 I don't believe that will be a worthwhile investment.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:42 (laughs) Me neither.

Joe Rogan 19:44 But it's like, like what are the numbers of men in 2023 that are single? It's something absurd. It's an enormously large number of people that are single today, as opposed to in the past.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 19:58 Yeah, I've seen, uh, Chris Williamson has like, uh... He often posts, like, random statistics that he sees.

Joe Rogan 20:04 Mm-hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 20:04 And sometimes the numbers... I don't know where these surveys come from, because they're often the most wildly specific things or, "We surveyed men and 40% haven't talked to a girl in three years." I'm like, "Who are these dudes?" But, I believe it.

Joe Rogan 20:17 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 20:17 Yeah, so it's pretty wild some of the stats that-

Narrator 20:20 I see this headline and I have a different interpretation of it, though. Most young men are single in 2023, most women are not. It's like when you ask, the guys will be like, "No, I'm not tied up." But the girl's like, "No, yeah, we're, we're dating."

Joe Rogan 20:34 So the guys are lying or the girls-

Narrator 20:36 Or they just don't-

Joe Rogan 20:36 ... are delusional?

Narrator 20:37 ... view it the same way.

Joe Rogan 20:37 What's happening?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 20:38 I would be highly skeptical that there's that many, like, player dudes that are taking up the majority.

Joe Rogan 20:43 Yeah.

Narrator 20:44 I wouldn't even say, I'm not even saying players. I just don't think that they're, you know, they're not locked, they're, I'm, we're not locked down. They're not living with me, you know?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 20:50 Right, right.

Narrator 20:50 We're both still, I haven't deleted my Tinder account yet.

Joe Rogan 20:53 Well, that's the big thing, right? The options that young people have today, dating single people have today with, with these dating apps is just... If anything seems like you're not in... You know, like, I don't like the way she said this or I don't like the way he did that. You, like, move onto the next swipe.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 21:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Like, you never get past this thing where, you know, you try to, like, manage how to hang out with each other. 'Cause, you know, when you're dating, everyone has a different personality.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 And some things that some people love, other people are like, "Hey, don't do that." And you're like, "Oh, all right. I didn't know."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 21:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:31 "I thought you liked it when I opened up the door." You know? Like, whatever it is. It's like there's always gonna be a thing that someone doesn't like. And everyone has so many options today. It's, it's gotta be s-... If you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, like, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options... Because those options in a dating app are just as addictive, I would imagine, as some video games.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 22:01 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 22:02 'Cause you're engaging with new people.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 22:04 Have you ever seen a girl go through her Tinder to show, like, how absurd it is for what the demand is for them relative to dudes?

Joe Rogan 22:13 Honestly, I haven't.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 22:14 Oh, it's wild.

Joe Rogan 22:14 I've seen people talk about it online, but I've never seen anybody do it in person.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 22:17 You could have, like, a six out of ten who would, 20 years ago or whatever, not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything, going through her Tinder and it's like match, match, match, no match, match, match. Whereas for dudes it's like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, maybe match, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. So it's like literally 10% of the dudes are getting 90% of the chicks.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Mm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 22:41 And then the demand, the supply/demand ratio is not there. So, I think a lot of dudes are single. I don't know if they wanna admit it or not, but it's 'cause-

Narrator 22:48 This happened also recently with those apps. They've been getting caught using bots to pump up their numbers.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 22:54 Ah.

Joe Rogan 22:55 I have heard that. That dating apps will have, like, AI people and they're, they're "just" doing it so they get more engagement.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:03 There's a lot of chicks that promote their Only Fans and social media on Tinder too.

Joe Rogan 23:08 Hm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:08 And that's how they're going about it. So they're not even looking to date, they're just looking to pump their socials or like-

Joe Rogan 23:14 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:14 ... get a new Only Fans subscriber from some simp that-

Joe Rogan 23:17 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:17 ... thought they were interested.

Joe Rogan 23:19 That's another one too, right? I mean, when do you bail out on that? So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman and you're making... You know, some of these women are making $100,000 a month just showing their feet and whatever.

Narrator 23:31 (laughs) Yeah, literally.

Joe Rogan 23:32 You know?

Narrator 23:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:33 And so, all the sudden you date this guy and you're really into him and it's becomes a meaningful relationship and, and then this conversation comes up like, "Hey, um, how long are you gonna show your asshole?"

Narrator 23:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:45 On (laughs) yeah. On Only Fans.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:48 As long as I want.

Joe Rogan 23:49 And then she's like, "Well, I make $100,000 a month showing my asshole on-"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 "... on Only Fans." You're like, "Oh, all right, well."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:56 "I don't know where this is going then."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 23:57 It's like, "Do you make that? Showing your asshole?"

Joe Rogan 23:59 Yeah.

Narrator 23:59 "No, I don't."

Joe Rogan 24:00 "No, I don't." You know, so then the guy has to, like, be in this position where the woman literally makes, like, ten times more than he does.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Showing her asshole.

Narrator 24:08 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:09 And then he's gotta somehow or another convince her-

Narrator 24:11 Ah.

Joe Rogan 24:11 ... to abandon that so they can live a life like a fucking Norman Rockwell book.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:16 ... what... Let's just say, and maybe this is too extreme of a hypothetical, but let's just say you're in your 20s and you're dating somebody, and she's an OnlyFans girl.

Joe Rogan 24:26 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:26 Is that a deal-breaker for you?

Joe Rogan 24:27 Not if I'm in my 20s it's not, no. If I'm in my 20s... First of all, I'd be like, "How are you making so much money? This is crazy. Can I show my asshole?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:34 If I was in my 20s (laughs) . But then you'd have to do it probably for gay guys, 'cause women-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:39 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 24:39 ... are not gonna pay.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Uh, uh, I, I would think that what I would do is just accept the fact that this isn't going anywhere, and then w- we're gonna have some fun.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 24:48 Okay, well, what if it's a somebody that you thought would have potential as a serious long-term thing, would that be the deal-breaker, that...

Joe Rogan 24:57 I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an OnlyFans. I don't think you, I don't think it would take long... I mean, I think if you waited a long time, like d- if you were dating six to eight months, like, "How do you have all these shoes?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Like, "Where'd you get this car?" Like, it was a (laughs) -

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:11 ... like, "What do you do for work?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:13 If it was one of those things, you know, and then you, "Oh, you have an OnlyFans," and then you were already in love with this woman, that would be, that'd be an issue, I guess. Or, maybe you just, like, shift gears and go, "Okay, I guess this is what I accept." I mean- I mean, uh, it's possible, it's feasible, for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:35 ... to what her OnlyFans is, and think about only as a, "This is just a business thing. I, I'm just making... I don't wanna work at Wendy's."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:45 "And so I'm doing this, and I am making extraordinary amounts of money, and I'm gonna invest this money in real estate," and smart.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:52 You could, you could look at it that way.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:54 What would be the, uh, threshold of acceptable behavior on OnlyFans, though? 'Cause it's like-

Joe Rogan 25:59 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 25:59 It ranges from, like (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 26:01 Bananas in your pussy to-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:02 Yeah, to like-

Joe Rogan 26:03 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:03 You could be just, uh, from what I understand, is a lot of fitness industry girls too will just, they're already almost nude on Instagram, essentially.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:11 And they will just post different iterations of, you know, the same poses or whatever-

Joe Rogan 26:17 Hm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:17 ... in the same kinda clothes, but behind a pay wall. And, I guess, some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes, or the guys thinking they're talking to them, which is often like a-

Joe Rogan 26:26 That's what Andrew Tate did-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:27 ... an assistant.

Joe Rogan 26:28 ... right? That was Andrew Tate's whole thing-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:30 ... is like having people pretend.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:32 Yeah. Uh, he gets (laughs) , he gets a lot of heat, 'cause I don't know, I don't know if this is actually what he did, but what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls, which is like, I don't know, some people say it's kinda gay, so...

Joe Rogan 26:50 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:50 'Cause it's like you're talking to a dude about, you know, what, what you'd wanna do with him, and this and that-

Joe Rogan 26:55 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 26:55 ... and speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her. Which, presumably, a lot of girls outsource to whoever they can get to do it, or have, I don't know, some cookie-cutter scripts or something.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:08 But, um, yeah. It's kind of a weird...

Joe Rogan 27:11 But if you were doing that, you would know exactly what to say to the guys, 'cause you know exactly what the guys want to hear.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:16 'Cause if you're just running a scam, I mean, it's not really gay, unless you're getting aroused.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:20 Hm. Interesting.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Thinking about these guys jerking off to your words, which is a very gray area.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:26 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:27 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so, I can't... It's a weird situation, for sure, 'cause it-

Joe Rogan 27:30 It's definitely weird.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Well, that's al-, that's also the, the, the, the, the criticism that Andrew Tate has gotten about exploitation. So supposedly, he would get these girls to fall in love with him, and then he would get them to go and do this stuff for him.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:43 Yeah. It's wild how much content he has that exists from back then that he so articulate and well-spoken-

Joe Rogan 27:51 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:52 ... b- when he speaks about it, but then some of those videos are so vulgar and whatnot that it's-

Joe Rogan 27:55 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 27:56 ... it's hard to... I can imagine the people who are, you know, uh, very hard on him. You, you watch the old videos-

Joe Rogan 28:02 Yes.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:02 ... it's pretty hard to side with him (laughs) when you see those.

Joe Rogan 28:04 Yes.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:05 But also, you gotta think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention. You're trying to be as outrageous as possible-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:16 ... to get as much people l- to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:22 And the best way to do that is to be like a character, an over-the-top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on, smoking a cigar-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:32 ... talking about hos.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:34 You know, and pimping hos. It's like, is it a character, or is it really you? And then, when you find out, "Oh, well, no. I, he actually does run these cam sites, and he does have these girls working for him," okay. But then some of the girls talk and go, "Actually, he's like really nice, and he was kind, and he gave me this business opportunity, and I wound up making a lot of money with it." And you're like, "Oh, okay. This is complicated." Like-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 28:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:58 ... how much of this is theater, and how much of this is... Like, if it's your real feelings that, you know, these women are subhuman, little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from...

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:09 Yeah, yeah. A- any interactions I've had with the guy before he was, you know, super famous and what not, I've always been positive to, like super nice guy. Always-

Joe Rogan 29:17 Very intelligent guy.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:19 Yeah, super articulate-

Joe Rogan 29:20 Extraordinarily intelligent.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:22 And-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:22 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 29:23 ... you know-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:24 His brother too.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:25 He doesn't, doesn't get as much credit, but...

Joe Rogan 29:27 You know, they're very, very smart guys. But b- boy, boy, boy do they tap into... There's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:42 Hm.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Like r- actua- what men actually talk about when they're alone, when m- men aren't just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 29:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:51 The, the wild shit they talk about. And, you know, if you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxer's standing there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:03 ... and, you know, that's very appealing to m- because it doesn't exist.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Like, if... You're never gonna see it on, on CNN or NBC or e- it's not... No mainstream media platform is ever going to tap into this wha- what is obviously a lucrative market.Young guys who don't want to be like their parents, they don't want to be like their teachers, they don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and potbellied and fucking depressing and, and, and talking about equity and inclusiveness and they're like, "Jesus fucking Christ." And then they see this guy and like, "Oh."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:40 "I like that guy."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:42 Yeah. No, he's definitely inspired, uh, discipline and-

Joe Rogan 30:46 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:46 ... taking action and it's like a-

Joe Rogan 30:48 Take responsibility for yourself.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:50 Yeah, so...

Joe Rogan 30:51 I mean, it's like a, uh, a more problematic version of like what Jocko does, or did.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:58 You know what I mean?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 30:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:59 But it's, it's also... It's different, you know, because it's like, you know, he's in the... He really is in the pimp and hoes business. (laughs) I mean, it's like if you're running campsites like that-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:10 ... you're really, you know, farming those girls out to make shitloads of money for you.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:16 For a bunch of suckers.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:17 I can't even imagine what the life of a OnlyFans manager or something would be.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Blows raspberry ] There's got to be a lot of them.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:25 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 31:25 I would assume.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:26 I know that there's a lot of people that they hire that manage the girls' DMs.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:32 So there's like companies, I guess. Is this the case? I'm pretty... I'm... I've just been told this.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:37 There's got to be agencies that-

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:39 ... are, you know, turnkey. "We take care of-"

Joe Rogan 31:40 Yeah. "We'll take care of it."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:42 Yeah.

Narrator 31:42 I really got offered to be a recruiter for one of those.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:45 Oh, bro.

Narrator 31:45 And they wanted to use my verified account. I was like, "What is going..."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 31:48 Side hustle.

Narrator 31:49 "I mean, that's sneaky, but what, what?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:52 So what did they want you to do?

Narrator 31:54 DM chicks to offer them like, "You can be on OnlyFans." I was like, "They don't, like-"

Joe Rogan 31:58 Oh, God, Jamie, do you know how bad that would turn out? (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 32:01 (laughs)

Narrator 32:01 I was like, "Well, like, they don't fucking know that already."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 32:03 (laughs)

Narrator 32:03 "Like, why would I have to tell them?"

Joe Rogan 32:04 Uh.

Narrator 32:05 But if I can convince them to do it, yeah, the return is I get a kickback of their revenue. I just... I, I just remembered that as you guys were talking about it.

Joe Rogan 32:12 So when they contacted you, uh, what did they say? Like, "Hey, Jamie, do you know a lot of-"

Narrator 32:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:16 "... girls that are willing to take their clothes off?"

Narrator 32:18 Yeah, it's like, "We've, we've noticed your..." It's one of these, uh, DMs I get from, uh, multiple accounts for various reasons, but like, "We've noticed your account. You're, you know... I have X amount of followers. You know, you could probably be doing this kind of stuff on Instagram. If you do, you know..."

Joe Rogan 32:31 And how much would they give you?

Narrator 32:33 I don't rem-... Off the top of my head, I don't remember. I could check. I feel like it was 10, 20%, something like that, something crazy.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 32:38 Ooh, that's lucrative.

Narrator 32:39 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 32:40 If you can get a bunch of really fucking-

Narrator 32:41 If they're... I've heard these guys are making 50%, the managers do. Like, they just split it.

Joe Rogan 32:46 That seems crazy.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 32:47 Wouldn't surprise me.

Narrator 32:47 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:47 That seems crazy. That seems-

Narrator 32:48 But they're not doing anything, though. They're... The, the girls don't do anything besides make the content, and then the managers are running the account. They're not even just doing messages, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:55 Mm-hmm. Still, 50% seems pretty high.

Narrator 32:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Because without the girl, you don't have anything.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 32:58 I think a lot of naivete around business operations, though-

Narrator 33:03 (clears throat)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:03 ... would definitely drive girls to think, "I don't want to deal with, you know, accounting, I don't want to deal with this."

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:09 "And I don't even know how, so-"

Joe Rogan 33:11 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:11 "... yeah, by all means, take 50, that's..."

Joe Rogan 33:13 Especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says, "Look, you can do this and you can make $3,000 a month, or you can do this with us and you can make $150,000 a month."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:22 "So, yeah, you'll get 50%, we'll get 50%, but it's a much higher number that you're gonna be dealing with."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:27 "And you're not gonna get there on your own, and we have this vast network, and we can also introduce you through other girls."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:33 Like, other girls are like, "This is my friend, Cindy," like, you'll see them do that on their Instagram page. "Follow her," and then, you know, they're just, like, pumping each other up like comics would do. Like, "Hey, go see Mike. He's playing at the HaHa, really funny guy."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:45 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:46 You know, you know, "Cindy's got a great pussy. Check her out."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:48 I wonder who the Joe Rogan of OnlyFans chicks is?

Joe Rogan 33:52 There's got to be one who's just dominating the game. (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:53 Yeah, there's got to be like a, a ringleader of, of all.

Narrator 33:56 Oh, what's her-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 33:57 Puts them all on both platforms.

Narrator 33:59 Ig Azalea made 48 million last year, I think is what I read. Oh, uh, not in that way, I guess. Uh, yeah, different way, but she's the top of OnlyFans.

Joe Rogan 34:05 Who, who is it?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:06 Who is it?

Joe Rogan 34:06 Izzy Azealia?

Narrator 34:06 48 million.

Joe Rogan 34:06 The, the rapper?

Narrator 34:07 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:07 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Jesus. 48 million?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:10 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 34:11 God, damn. So now you go, "Show your asshole, baby."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:14 "I want a Ferrari." (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:16 I think for 48 million, like, you better be. Jesus.

Joe Rogan 34:19 Yeah. Well, also, you could just do that for three or four years and you don't have to do shit for the rest of your life. Izzy Azealia, the new queen of OnlyFans. Not even Cardi B can match her racy content. Damn, she got a hot body.

Narrator 34:34 48.

Joe Rogan 34:35 There you go, 48 million. Good for her.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:37 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 34:39 Good for her?

Narrator 34:39 45 for Cardi B. Second type-

Joe Rogan 34:40 That's still pretty good.

Narrator 34:41 But here's the wild one, is Tyga, who's a guy.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 34:44 Is this like self-reported, though? Like, how do they even ch- get these figures?

Narrator 34:47 They've shown those... I've... Most of these have come from them sharing the figure like online, like they'll take a screenshot or something, but I don't, I don't know specifically to each one.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Scroll up, we can see the two of them?

Narrator 34:56 Uh.

Joe Rogan 34:57 She's hot. I get it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 35:00 It's like when you see a... I don't know. Like Goo- when you Google somebody's like net worth or something, it's like... You know, is that actually what it is? I feel like probably not, but...

Narrator 35:09 Yeah, so right here. You can just say that. It says her net worth was 15, but she just made 48.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Reportedly had a net worth-

Narrator 35:15 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 35:15 ... prior to that.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 35:17 Hm.

Joe Rogan 35:18 48 million from the website, we're at a 320% hike in her overall value.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 35:22 (laughs) That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:22 Wow. Wow. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense if you're just a businessperson, and especially if you're, uh, a celebrity in that world, like the, the r- female rap world.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 35:34 Mm.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Like what's the longevity of that? You've, you've got a few that hang in there, but I mean, how many, like, long-term rap females have been super successful? I'm, I'm a little ignorant in that genre.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 35:50 (laughs) So I... Yeah, I definitely don't follow it closely, so I'm not sure either.

Joe Rogan 35:54 How's that Tyga guy making all that money?

Narrator 35:56 That I don't... I would have to make a guess.

Joe Rogan 35:58 He's got me intrigued. What do I have to do?

Narrator 36:00 I don't... I mean.

Joe Rogan 36:01 An extra 20 a year? (laughs)

Narrator 36:02 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 36:02 Yeah, that seems pretty insanely high for a dude who probably doesn't post like porn videos, I think.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Right, like what if we, uh, we had one episode of the JRE OnlyFans where we did only in jockstraps? (laughs)

Narrator 36:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:16 How would that work? (laughs)

Narrator 36:17 Probably would need a jockstrap camera maybe, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:19 It would be like all gay guys.

Narrator 36:21 You could say you're in a jockstrap right now and nobody would know. There's no camera.

Joe Rogan 36:24 That's true. That's true. That's true.Um, women don't pay for guys, though. There's just, like ... There's ... Uh, the ... For Tyga, who's, who's paying for him?

Narrator 36:32 Yeah. I've only heard there's a guy that's on The Challenge, his name is Devin, this TV show on MTV, and he makes a lot of money doing that. But I think he said, yeah, it's just, it's all guys.

Joe Rogan 36:41 I feel like-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 36:41 Just gay guys?

Narrator 36:42 ... unless there was-

Joe Rogan 36:42 Yeah.

Narrator 36:42 Makes sense.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 36:43 ... full-blown porn for gay dudes to buy-

Joe Rogan 36:47 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 36:47 ... I would be very skeptical of $20 million.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 36:49 Even if he's, like, a A-list celeb. Like, that seems insane.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Is Tyga an A-list celeb?

Narrator 36:54 He's, like, in the Kardashian world, so ...

Joe Rogan 36:56 He is?

Narrator 36:57 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:58 Oh.

Narrator 36:58 What? I, I-

Joe Rogan 36:59 What does he look like?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 36:59 I don't know what A-list actually means, by the way. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:01 I don't know what it means anymore. It used to mean nothing.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:06 It used t- uh, y- or it used to mean-

Narrator 37:07 I forget which, which-

Joe Rogan 37:07 ... you were only movie stars.

Narrator 37:09 ... gen are ... I think he might have been with Kendall? Uh, he's on the screen.

Joe Rogan 37:14 That guy makes 20 million a year?

Narrator 37:15 He's had, he's had popular songs, but I would imagine 20 million in a year from OnlyFans is-

Joe Rogan 37:19 Do we have any examples of his OnlyFans content?

Narrator 37:22 Uh, you, uh ...

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:22 You gotta pay for that, bro.

Narrator 37:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:23 But there's gotta be something you could find on fucking Reddit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:26 (laughs) My understanding is they're pretty, uh, intense with-

Narrator 37:30 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:30 ... making sure it stays off of-

Narrator 37:32 That's part of where the money goes.

Joe Rogan 37:33 ... behind the paywall.

Narrator 37:33 Uh, so it says he ... This says he deleted his account.

Joe Rogan 37:37 Oh, so his account is him and-

Narrator 37:39 Like, he launched a different thing.

Joe Rogan 37:39 ... him and a bunch of chicks?

Narrator 37:41 Launched a ...

Joe Rogan 37:41 That's what his thing is?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:43 'Cause it's like, who's paying for that, you know? That's just, like, Instagram hype content sort of thing.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Well, if it's him and a bunch of chicks, I could see how you can get guys to pay for that.

Narrator 37:52 Oh.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:52 Oh, easy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:53 Oh, it's his rod. Hold up. Go back to that.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 37:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:57 Go back to that.

Narrator 37:58 I clicked too many things real fast. I didn't wanna be staring at it. Uh ...

Joe Rogan 38:00 Go back to that.

Narrator 38:01 Maybe this one? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:04 So, he does show his cock.

Narrator 38:06 I assume that's him.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:07 Well, assuming by this one picture-

Joe Rogan 38:10 How do we know-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:10 ... in Reddit that it's also him?

Narrator 38:13 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 38:13 But that also could be a filter that makes his dick bigger.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:16 Well ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 I bet they have that.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:18 N- probably.

Joe Rogan 38:18 They have lip filters.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:19 For sure.

Joe Rogan 38:20 They have filters for your eyes, give you eyelashes, and ...

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:23 If girls are doing that, you'd be insane to not do it for your face.

Joe Rogan 38:25 Yeah, you wanna make some money or not, Tyga?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Get that dick filter running. Tyga starts OnlyFans model management company-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:32 Man, that ca- ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:33 ... and he's looking for clients.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:34 So, he would also be incentivized to say he makes more from his own to exemplify how, you know, revenue-driving he is.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Right. But are they allowing j- ... Like-

Narrator 38:45 Tommy Lee.

Joe Rogan 38:45 ... self-declaration? Tommy Lee's got his cock out.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:48 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 38:48 He's got that 60-year-old fucking-

Narrator 38:50 He's, he started this whole thing.

Joe Rogan 38:51 ... weathered cock.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 38:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:53 So, Tommy Lee joins OnlyFans. So, Tommy Lee is showing his hog?

Narrator 38:59 (laughs) Yep.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Okay.

Narrator 39:01 I guess so.

Joe Rogan 39:02 I guess you can kind of get away with out if you're Tommy Lee.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 39:04 Yeah, I guess. Probably.

Joe Rogan 39:06 I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when he wanted to fight Kid Rock.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 39:09 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 39:09 A buddy of mine is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 39:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:11 He says, "Tommy, Tommy wants to meet you." I'm like, "Okay." So, I go to one of their concerts. When they, when they were doing that show Rock Star Supernova. Do you remember Rock Star Supernova?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 39:20 No. When was that?

Joe Rogan 39:21 It was, like, a television show where they put together a band.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 39:25 Oh.

Joe Rogan 39:25 They, like, made a band.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 39:27 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:27 And Tommy Lee was a part of it. Who else was in that?

Narrator 39:31 Uh, who is it?

Joe Rogan 39:33 Who was that really handsome guy? Dave Navarro. Wasn't he in that too?

Narrator 39:38 Who are these guys?

Joe Rogan 39:40 Um, I don't know, but Tommy Lee was a part of it.

Narrator 39:42 I'm trying to figure out who-

Joe Rogan 39:42 Right?

Narrator 39:43 ... I'll look at the pictures. I don't ... Oh, there's their names. So, Lucas, Rossi, Gilby, Clarke, Tommy Lee, Johnny, Colt, Jason Newsted from Metallica.

Joe Rogan 39:51 Yeah. So, they had this thing. So, anyway, we went to the concert, good show, in then afterwards, uh, I got to meet Tommy. And Tommy was like, "I wanna fight Kid Rock. I wanna kick his fucking ass." 'Cause, like, Kid Rock had dated Pamela Anderson-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:05 ... and Tommy used to be married to Pamela Ander- ... So they had some fucking ... (laughs) So, they were trying to set up a fight, like, Kid Rock and Tommy Lee in a fight. (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:14 So, what were you gonna do? I was like ...

Joe Rogan 40:17 I was gonna, like, introduce them to trainers, and I just wanted to-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:20 He asked ... He just wanted to talk to me about it. I did not know what he wanted to talk about.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:24 Huh.

Joe Rogan 40:24 And so then when I got there, I was like, "Hmm. Okay. What are you t- ... What's, what's your lifestyle? Like, how committed are you to this? Like, how, how much can you train? Like, how much time do you think you need to prepare? Like, do you have any experience at all in combat sports? Like, do you just think you're gonna kick his ass 'cause you hate him?"

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:41 You know? And K- Kid Rock, like, I would put my money on that motherfucker. Like, he seems (laughs) he seems like a t- a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before. You know?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:51 So, who, uh ... Why didn't that happen?

Joe Rogan 40:53 Oh, I don't know. A lot of people ... There's a lot of those things that people talk about that never actually take place-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 40:59 Like-

Joe Rogan 40:59 ... 'cause of the reality of it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:00 Elon vers Zuck?

Joe Rogan 41:02 I was supposed to fight, um, Wesley Snipes.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 That was real. Like, that was lawyers and negotiation. I was training twice a day for six months.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:12 Oh, damn.

Joe Rogan 41:12 That was fucking hard. I was so tired all the time. And I only got, like, a taste of what it's like to, you know, to train like an MMA fighter. 'Cause I was, I was training knowing that the fight was eventually gonna take place, so I was building up a base.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:26 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:26 So, I was kickboxing every morning, and then I was doing jujitsu every night. And I was doing it for six months.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:33 So, why'd it fall through?

Joe Rogan 41:34 I think 'cause he knew I was gonna kill him.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:36 I think in the beginning he thought that he would be able to stuff take-downs and he would kick my ass, and then he found out that, no, I'm a taekwondo champion-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:44 ... and I'm a kickboxer. That's ... I'm way better at standing up than I am on the ground.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 41:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:49 And then I don't know what happened, but w- there was a bunch of different demands. Like, at first it was gonna be 50/50, and then, you know, he wanted it to be 60/40. And I'd agreed to everything. I said, "Just ..." And then finally it was like, "Okay, give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:04 I'm like, "I'm gonna fucking strangle that guy."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:07 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:07 "Like, let me get a hold of him."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:09 And it never happened.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 42:11 But I, I just wanted to do ... I just like ... This would be a perfect thing to do. Like, he's never fought in MMA before. I've never done it before. This will be fun and I'll make a lot of money. And just, I just ... The idea of this guy who had never had any competitive fights at all-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:25 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:25 ... ever-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:26 ... that he thought he could do that. I'm like, "Okay." Like, "You're not gonna know what that feels like." Like, I might have done it a long time ago, but it l- ... I've done it. I know what that feels like when the referee's looking at you, "Are you ready?" And then ... That's a moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes ding and you're like, "Oh, shit. Is this real?" There's just gonna be too much weirdness for him to process.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:49 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:50 You know?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 42:50 And I guess it wouldn't be good to have that, uh, blemish on his, uh, history. Just kidding.

Joe Rogan 42:55 No.... no, I just, you know, I think he was doing a lot of blow, if I had to guess. 'Cause he was in a bad situation where he owed a lot of taxes, and, um, he had some advisor that was like, you know, one of those dudes that tells you, you know, "It's unconstitutional to pay taxes. Look right here."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 43:11 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 43:11 There's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that, you know, they're not gonna prosecute you, 'cause then, then it'll have to be revealed.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 43:18 Mm.

Joe Rogan 43:18 That taxes are against the Constitution, and, uh, there's a, there's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the, uh, you know, the, the influence of, unfortunately. And he wound up going to jail.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 43:30 Oh, geez.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Yeah, he wound up going to jail for tax evasion.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 43:32 Damn, dude. What does-

Joe Rogan 43:33 How much time did Wesley Snipes do in jail? Well, the, the, the ... Taxes are a weird one, right, because if you owe taxes, like if they find that you owe, you don't just pay them back. They put you in a cage.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 43:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:45 They did it to Lauryn Hill from the Fugees.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 43:47 Dude, it's like the most odd ...

Joe Rogan 43:50 Yeah, (clears throat) here it goes. "Snipes was convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008 and was sentenced to three years in prison."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:00 Damn.

Joe Rogan 44:00 "After an unsuccessful appeal, he served 28 months in federal prison."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:05 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 44:05 God damn.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:06 I think, uh, Shakira is also dealing with something like that right now.

Joe Rogan 44:11 Yeah, I think she got off, though.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:12 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 44:13 Didn't, didn't something happen where she won her case? I think that's ... Was that in Spain?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:18 Yeah, something like that. It's like I wonder what, like, getting off, like, even entails in that, 'cause if they determined you owed a bunch of money and haven't paid, how do you ... You, you just did, and they didn't catch it somehow?

Joe Rogan 44:30 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:31 Or, uh ...

Joe Rogan 44:32 How much paperwork do you have? How-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:33 I think she struck a deal.

Joe Rogan 44:34 (sniffs) She struck a deal.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:35 For a lot of money to pay.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Okay.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:38 God damn.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:39 Accepted the charges.

Joe Rogan 44:40 She accepted the charges and a fine of 50% of the amount owed, more than 7.3 million. Is that pounds? What is that little mark?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:47 Mm, euros?

Joe Rogan 44:48 Euros?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:48 So she got to not pay taxes and then paid half the amount?

Joe Rogan 44:53 Hm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:53 How's that make sense?

Joe Rogan 44:54 (clicks tongue) I don't know.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 44:56 Maybe add an extra 500K.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Oh, you just pay an extra 438K and you don't have to go to prison?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:02 That's gotta be unique to where she is, I would think, right?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:05 Yeah, I think in America, they try to make an example of people, especially famous people. "Hey, kids-"

Joe Rogan 45:10 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:10 "... pay your fucking taxes. The IRS does not fuck around." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:14 And it's a ... They're a shady institution. They, they go after you.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:18 Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever had a, a situation that was like, "Fuck, I need to get an accountant." Like you-

Joe Rogan 45:25 No.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:25 Usually there's some sort of ... Like from day one, you're pretty dialed in on your-

Joe Rogan 45:29 I've had a business manager for 25 years.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:31 Oh, damn.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Yeah, luckily.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:34 Yeah, I've always wondered how you oversee so much stuff, or if you just have, like how you built the team under you to oversee everything.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Yeah, you have to have people. You have to have real people that really know what the fuck they're doing, that do this for a lot of other, you know, high-income people.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Yeah, they, they know what they're doing. They, they make sure you pay all your fucking taxes, and you don't have to think about it, and you don't ... That is the last place you wanna be is in the hole to the government.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 45:59 Hm.

Joe Rogan 46:00 That's a sc- When you're in the hold of the IRS, they start auditing you and find out you've been lying about this, or, you know, maybe you've been deducting things you can't deduct, like (imitates drilling sounds) .

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 46:10 Hm.

Joe Rogan 46:10 (laughs) They start going up your ass with a microscope.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 46:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:13 It's not good. And if they find out that you did willfully not pay taxes, like Snipes, they fucking put you in jail, man, and they, they do it to make an example out of you. Because if you're a famous person like, you know, Lauryn Hill or someone like that, how long did she go away for? I think she did a year.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 46:30 Oh, geez.

Joe Rogan 46:31 Yeah, it's crazy, man. They'll take fucking superstars. And I don't know what her deal was, if it was a similar situation where someone had told her she doesn't have to pay taxes. 'Cause like you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you'd, you have to have some sophisticated people around you, but that's not the case.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 46:50 No.

Joe Rogan 46:50 It's like-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 46:51 Often not.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Here it is. "Federal judges sentence Lauryn Hill to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:01 Damn.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Which is crazy because she could've easily made that million dollars back for the government.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:07 And they're like, "No, go to jail."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:09 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 47:09 "Go to jail."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:13 So how do you vet ... 'Cause obviously you have, uh, some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy. Like, how do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great?

Joe Rogan 47:27 I got very fortunate. He's very conservative. He doesn't fuck around at all.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:30 He's like, "You don't want that smoke."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:33 "You wanna pa- pay your fucking taxes." You know, he does everything by the book, you know, and they're, they're really good, and they've been around forever. It's like that's what you need. If you ... Uh, it's like you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady gymbros that might be handing them stuff that's getting popped for USADA.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:52 But yet it happens all the time.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:55 All the time.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 47:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sycophants and hang out in camp that could tell you, "You know this stuff, they're using it in Holland, and no one can test for it in America." And you're like, "Oh, no one can test for it," and the next thing, you're taking it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 48:09 Did you hear anything about this, that this was going on, uh, probably in the background of stuff that's very important in life?

Joe Rogan 48:15 I did-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 48:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:15 ... hear about it, but I didn't hear the details. So it says, "Glenn 'Big Baby' Davis convicted in NBA insurance fraud scheme." And what is, what was the scheme?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 48:24 From my understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these, uh, players gr- uh, not graduate, but when they retire, they're still afforded some sort of, um-

Joe Rogan 48:34 Pension?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 48:35 It's part of the pension, I guess. And based off of how they go and file things, certain ... They get payments for certain levels of what- whatever it is, doctors, dentists, whatever it is. So it's (clears throat) fraudulent invoices were created over X amount of years, and they were just taking the money, I guess.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Mm. Huh.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 48:54 And it's ... And then they, like ... (clears throat) I guess a few players got wrapped up into it, but I remember reading about it. It was just like $1,000 here, 1,500 bucks here, 2,000 bucks here.

Joe Rogan 49:03 And it just adds up.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 49:06 But these are guys that, you know, NBA champions, made millions of dollars.

Joe Rogan 49:10 The thing is, you make those millions of dollars and then your career's over and you're like, "Oh, shit."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 49:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:16 And you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a Rolls Royce or something. And you're like, "Ugh."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 49:23 Yeah, you can just, uh... How many pro athletes do you know that have, you know, been crushing it and then got way in over their head with-

Joe Rogan 49:31 A lot.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 49:31 ... lifestyle? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:32 I know a lot of fighters like that. And with fighters it's also, you're compounding the issue of traumatic brain injury because one of the things that happens with people that have been hit in the head a bunch is they, they become very impulsive, they make risky decisions, they gamble a lot, they're, they're real... They're... Something gets knocked loose.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 49:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:53 That's a real thing. It happens with football players. It happens with a lot of fighters. And th- those people, they lose their impulse control. It's part of getting hit in the head a lot. It, it makes you a little bit more reckless, which is really wild.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 50:07 Damn.

Joe Rogan 50:07 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 50:09 So they, if anyone needs that high level advisement-

Joe Rogan 50:13 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 50:13 ... it's those guys.

Joe Rogan 50:14 But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to, right?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 50:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Because a lot of these people are also very headstrong, you know, strong egos, they've been doing it their own way, they become champions that way, and to, like, adjust that shift in the way you think and say, "Oh, I'm kind of a fuck up. I'm a little wild with my money. I need someone to invest my money." And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, in three years from now, you're gonna be making zero money.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 50:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:43 Like, if you're a 36-year-old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low. There's only a few guys. There's guys like Jan Blachowicz who's a world champion in his 40s, um, Glover Teixeira, world champion in his 40s. Like, most fighters, by the time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormier is another example, rare, very rare to be elite at that age. Most of those guys are done. And when, when I see a fighter and I see, like, a guy who's, like, on the, on the way up, 28, and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36, I'm like, "Ooh, this might be the one," because this might be the time where the wheels fall off.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 51:29 Ah, right.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries. Like, it could be a neck, an i- a back, a hip, a knee, something that fucks with them where it's, uh, i- it's not enabling them to train properly. They can't make specific movements when they want to because it's painful. So, even though they look good when they're fighting-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 51:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:52 ... they might be compromised, like, pretty significantly.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 51:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:55 There's guys that fight and they have fucking bulging discs in their neck that are giving them, like, nerve pains in their hands. And if they get caught in a guillotine, they're fucked.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:03 Yeah, didn't you, uh... You said recently, Usman, his knees are just-

Joe Rogan 52:06 Destroyed.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:07 ... absolutely decimated.

Joe Rogan 52:08 Destroyed.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:09 And we were talking about it yesterday with Daniel. If you, if you see the difference between Usman's upper body, he looks like a Greek god.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:15 And then you get down to his lower body, there's almost no muscle tone.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:18 There are thin legs. They're, they're tiny legs.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:21 And a lot of that is 'cause he can't do anything with them. His knees are bone on bone. His cartilage is worn out. He ha- has almost no meniscus. They're just destr- he has to walk backwards down stairs.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:34 Damn, dude.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Yeah. And he's a world champion.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:37 Has he tried... I'm assuming he's done, like, pretty much everything. You probably sent him down to-

Joe Rogan 52:41 Yeah, he's gone to Colombia, got stem cells. But the, the problem is, and this, it's a big problem with these athletes, is that if you do get s- Like, my friend Shane Dorian, do you know who he is?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 52:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Big wave surfer. Shane just went down to, uh, Tijuana, to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico. He went down there and they told him, "Once you have this procedure..." So he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to, uh, to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body smashing down the discs. They told him, "You're not doing anything for eight weeks." Nothing.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 53:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:19 So for a guy like him that's, like, super fit and very active, it's like, "What can I do?" You can walk. Like, you have to give these cells time to actually do their work. And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely a- ag- er, aggravating all these preexisting injuries and conditions, and the stem cells are never gonna get a chance to do their job. Like, you've got to give this tissue a chance to re-proliferate. You've got to give your body a chance to heal. And it's got... The- they have to go to work. And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not gonna work.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 53:53 You recently had, uh, it done and you're taking how much... You have to do the same thing, eight weeks off, or?

Joe Rogan 53:59 Yeah, you have to... You... If you're doing something like, that you have, like, a pretty significant injury, like, I would imagine sp- Uh, this is the, the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off, and that's, I think, because they were going into his discs.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 54:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:12 But I had a, a torn MCL on my left knee, and, uh, I got stem cells in it, and then, like, a few weeks later, I was training hard again, like, kicking the bag and doing Muay Thai and kicking pads, and it just kept getting... It kept flaring up.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 54:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:26 It just wo- And then I said, "Okay, I see what the fuck is going on here and I know how hard-headed I am." I gotta take a year off of Muay Thai, and I took a whole year. One year I didn't kick at all, and all I did is those knees over toes guys things-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 54:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:41 ... and stem cells, and now it's great.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 54:43 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 54:43 But I, I had to give it that time. It... I was just always re-aggravating the same injury. It would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't hurt anymore, and then... When you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power-... you're taking your- m- the mass of your body, which in my case is 200 pounds, you're exploding off the ground, and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 55:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:12 ... over and over and over and over again. It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 55:21 What was the recent treatment you had done? Like, what was it for?

Joe Rogan 55:24 I had it done just a couple days ago because I have l-... uh, I think what is overuse. I think it's probably, like, some sort of tendonitis in my lower back, and it's from archery.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 55:35 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:35 It's from, (clears throat) you know, when you're, uh, pulling a bow back, I have two bows. One is, uh, 80 pounds to pull back, and one is 90. And so I'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 55:49 Damn.

Joe Rogan 55:49 Over and over and over again. So it's this motion, where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down. And a lot of that stability and locking it down and, like, maintaining your posture is in my right lower back. Like, that's where, like, everything sort of, like, balances out. That's, like, the fulcrum or the, the, the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet, and that's what kinda keeps it stable. And that was getting overused to the point where I would draw my bow back, and I could do it a few times, and then, like, on the 10th time, the 11th time, it would start to flare up and was becoming an issue. So I got some stem cell shot into that.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 56:29 So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now?

Joe Rogan 56:32 I have to take some time off. I'll take a couple weeks off.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 56:36 Okay.

Joe Rogan 56:36 Yeah. I'll, I'll be... Uh, but I have a easy bow too. I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds, and so that one doesn't seem to bother me, so I can do that. It's just, like, as soon as something bothers me, I stop, and then I'm doing the ice baths and I'm rolling it out. I'm shooting BPC-157 in there, and it's better. It's, it's already pretty significantly better.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 56:57 Nice. Yeah. That's, uh... Is that... So part of your daily routine is, like, 150 shots?

Joe Rogan 57:03 No, no, no, no.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:04 Like, you said every day, I'm hearing 100 to 150.

Joe Rogan 57:07 Oh, you know, shots with the arrow.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Yes, yes. I thought you meant, like-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:10 No, I just checked. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:10 ... BPC-157. That would be insane. (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:13 No, no. Yeah, every day is, like, 100... at least 100 shots.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:17 So that's just here, or where do you-

Joe Rogan 57:19 I have a, I have a range here at the studio, um,-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:22 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:22 ... that's an indoor range, and then I have, at my house, I have an outdoor range.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:25 You gotta show me around after. I don't think I've ever even seen this. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:28 Oh, yeah, yeah. Have you seen the gym?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:29 No.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Oh, yeah. We got a great gym.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:31 It's like a real gym-gym-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:32 ... that you would, like, pay a membership for.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:34 Is it-

Joe Rogan 57:35 It's pretty dope.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:35 ... public or-

Joe Rogan 57:36 No, no.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:37 Yeah. I'm assuming.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Comedians and my security staff are the only ones-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 57:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:41 ... who use it. And so it's like, you know, w-... I've been doing these comedian workouts where I take these guys that, you know, they've been talking about it for a while, they don't work out at all, and I'm like, "Look, come down. We'll have a fun time. We'll laugh around a bit, and we'll... I'll start you off real light." I start them out with just bodyweight exercises. Like, we're gonna do... I do, like, a series of 100 push-ups and 100 bodyweight squats every day, and it's... What, what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge. So I start the cold plunge. That's the first thing I do. And then I do... Once I'm done with 100 bodyweight squats and 100 b-... uh, push-ups, then I can start working out, 'cause I'm pretty warm by then.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 58:17 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:17 And then I'll start doing my other stuff. And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the bodyweight squats and the push-ups, and I'm like, "Don't... You don't have to do sets of 20." I'm like, "If you could do five, uh... if you could do 10, do five, 'cause we're gonna do five sets." And so you'll wind up doing 25 push-ups and you'll wind up doing 25 bodyweight squats, which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base. And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like, 10 kilograms, and you're doing swings, and, you know, I'm teaching them how to, uh, rack and cleans and presses, and then I work them into windmills. And then once I got them going for a whi-... Uh, and then one day, The Rock came, so we had our... a serious workout, and I'm like, "Just everybody try to keep up, but we're gonna get after it today."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 58:59 Who chooses-

Joe Rogan 58:59 We did, like, two rounds.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:00 ... what-

Joe Rogan 59:01 Me.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:01 You... Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Me.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:02 So The Rock does your-

Joe Rogan 59:03 Yeah, he did my workout.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:04 ... workout. Okay, cool.

Joe Rogan 59:05 Yeah, which is cool to see him do because he, you know... I think what he mostly does is stuff that generates size. I think he does a lot of machines.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:11 Yeah, he seems like a, like, very bodybuilding-focused-

Joe Rogan 59:14 Yes.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:15 ... and longevity for his joints and whatnot-

Joe Rogan 59:17 Mm-hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:17 ... 'cause he's in his 50s now and-

Joe Rogan 59:19 And he did football-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:21 ... pro wrestling for years. I mean, it, uh, beats your fucking body up. Out of all those guys that are retired pro wrestlers, he is unquestionably in the best condition. Like, he's not... Like, Hulk Hogan comes in. He's, he's got a crutch, you know.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:36 And he's fucked up. He's, he's gotta walk with a cane. His back, he's had, like, seven... I think he lost four or five inches of height-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:45 Damn.

Joe Rogan 59:45 ... due to back surgeries.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:46 Damn.

Joe Rogan 59:47 'Cause they're just fusing all his... You gotta think, you got a little space-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:50 ... in between each spinal column-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 59:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:51 ... and then (blowing sound) that goes away, that goes away, that goes away. So everything is compressed, and then that creates all sorts of problems in your body 'cause everything's kind of out of align now.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 And then your back is one stiff rod because everything's fused. It's fucked. But The Rock's avoided all that. Like, he's in pretty good cond... He's not that mobile. Like, we had him doing, like, windmills. You know what a windmill is? You clean, press with a kettlebell, and then you go down like this with your hand all the way down to the ground-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 ... and then all the way back up.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 That was a struggle for him.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:24 Oh, I'm... He's pretty tall too-

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:25 ... I can imagine.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 He's, he's a huge dude.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 But he's just... He's doing mostly, like, bench press, squats. He's doing things with machines, leg curls, leg extensions. I think he does a lot of machine stuff, which is probably the safest way to do that shit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:41 Does he usually train on his own with no-

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:44 ... workout partner?

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Yeah, he does. Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:46 Seems like every video, he's, like, in a gym that's, like, been propped up somewhere.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Mm-hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:51 And it's still, like, all the equipment is there, but there's no one there-

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:00:55 ... and it's like a mobile facility, I guess.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 Yeah. That's, that's what he does. I mean, he has that, and then he has this enormous, uh, place at his house. Yeah, so it's all s-... Uh, see it? It's all machines. I mean, he does have some dumbbells, but the vast majority of what he's utilizing is, you know, machines, which...... you know, you really can't get strong and you really can't get big with those.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:01:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:01:28 Yeah, yeah. A lot of it is, uh, you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic-

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:01:34 ... maneuvers too. Like, even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard, and I would go to... I had to teach the kids certain, uh, different kinds of strokes and whatnot, and my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder and actually being able to get it past my ear even, it was like I was, like, smashing my head with my delt.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Oh.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:01:53 And I, I couldn't even, like, keep a straight arm because I was so inflexible. And it was, uh, that was the first time I noticed, "Damn, this is really limiting."

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:02 Yeah. Like, you become athletic-looking and, like, you could do things at a high level because you just, you look good objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 I mean, if you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:25 Yeah, like that, uh, Tom Havland guy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Oh, yeah, yeah, that guy.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:30 Yeah, he's a great example of jacked as fuck, huge, and does a lot of, like, functional type stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Yes.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 What is his deal? (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:39 Yeah, he's a interesting character, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:02:42 I, uh, I think he's former special forces. He's, uh, he kind of... I think he used to compete in certain, uh, strength events, um, powerlifting potentially. Um, there is some videos on YouTube from a long time ago and he's- his face is actually showing, which a lot of people don't know about. But, um, yeah, he's like 6'8", 350 right now I think.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Yeah, he's a- trying to get to 400 pounds. That was his thing.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:07 Yeah, I think he did before. I don't know if he's still trying to get to 400. But yeah, the guy is a, a fucking freak show, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 A real freak show.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:15 Yeah, and he's like... It's- his equipment, it's like you don't even know where it came from. It's like, is this a fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:19 ... piece of, uh, like railroad equipment or something?

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 I know a lot of it is, like, shit he built. And what's really crazy is most of the stuff he's wearing work boots-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 ... and, like, a, a fucking lumberjack shirt or some shit. Like, look at this. Like, how odd is it that he wears all these clothes while he trains?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 And-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:39 Yeah, like there's definitely a... I wouldn't want to work out in jeans, personally.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:42 Like, that would be the last thing I'd want to wear.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Like, why is he doing that? Like what is-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:45 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 What is the mentality about...

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:48 Like, I guess it's (laughs) ... It's gotta be you just like the way it looks, man, I guess.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 It must be.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:03:53 'Cause it's certainly not for function or comfort or anything. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Right. Like, why is he wearing work boots? Why is he wearing jeans? Wh- I mean, why does, why does he never show his face?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:03 It's like the ultimate blue-collar, you know...

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 This one's wild. He carries a log while he's got offset weight, so the, the chain is wrapped around his right arm and then he's dragging 100 pounds behind him.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:16 (laughs) When Goggins ask who's gonna carry the boats and logs, I show them this guy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 I mean, what a strange thing to do. But he also is a big advocate of carrying things. Like, one of the things he said, if you, if you wanna get strong, take something heavy and carry it around.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:36 Yeah, yeah. And it's like, uh, stuff that actually would translate into, you know, real life.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Yeah, look at this shit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:43 Like, this guy will carry your groceries, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 I mean, this is-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 ... insane. This farmer's carry. He's like... How much weight is that?

Narrator 1:04:50 410, so-

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 410 pounds.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:04:51 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Farmer's carry.

Narrator 1:04:51 Each hand.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Yeah. What's that, Jamie?

Narrator 1:04:54 Each hand, 410.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Each hand 410?

Narrator 1:04:57 It's... It says farmer's walk with 800-

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Ugh.

Narrator 1:04:59 ... 410 in each hand-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:00 Oh, my-

Narrator 1:05:00 ... for 12 meters.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 ... God. Now look at that, look at those g-... Those are not weights, those are, like, gears. Like, what are those things that he's got on the sides?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:10 Yeah, I notice-

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 He's got, like, o- uh, one plate and then the other thing looks like a gear.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:15 Uh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 So, everything he does is, like, these really awkward movements, but then he supplements that with traditional stuff, like Zercher squats, deadlifts.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:26 Yeah, I don't know why he's, uh, pr- I think his Instagram is private now too.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 That's- yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:31 I don't know.

Narrator 1:05:32 Burned or intake?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:34 Intake.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Today's calories, 6,389. Geez Louise.

Narrator 1:05:39 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:39 Which is, like, you know, uh, for his size, yeah, I can-

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:43 ... I can believe it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 100%, he's fu- fucking 6'9" or whatever he is.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:47 Yeah. I- I don't understand his, like, uh, branding though, around the whole don't show my face, private Instagram. Like, uh, like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 I don't know what it is.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:05:56 'Cause, like, obviously the, the posts are to document progress and/or inspire people, or bring attention to programs or something. But then it's, like, I don't know, maybe he got a lot of harassment or something. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 So, now you get see him with his shirt off.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:11 Oh, there we go.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Fucking guy's house. Jeez, look at the size-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 ... of that motherfucker.

Narrator 1:06:16 I think that's why he wears all those clothes. That's very distracting for what he's doing if he's just trying to show you how strong he is. You're just like, "Look how-"

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Like, look at this, he's doing an axle with two wheels on it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 Like, what...

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:30 Imagine just driving by and seeing this guy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Just walking around in the fucking field.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 Carrying logs and shit. Yeah, look at, he's got two wheels on each side, and he's doing these shrugs. Very strange stuff.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:47 Now he's pulling things with his neck. I mean, he literally looks like a superhero.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:51 Yeah, yeah. I might, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 What is this Jailhouse Strong? Is it, does he have programs-

Narrator 1:06:55 Going to pull out his-

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 ... that you can buy?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:06:57 (clicks tongue) I think, I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 'Cause he's got a website, 'cause that's-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:01 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 ... one of the things that he ha- ev-

Narrator 1:07:02 It says book series.

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 What is it?

Narrator 1:07:04 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Go to it?

Narrator 1:07:05 I'm, I'm trying to do everything at once. Hold on.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 No worries.

Narrator 1:07:08 No frills training, gas station ready, Amazon selling book series. Jailhouse Strong, uh, Instagram.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:19 Is Jailhouse Strong a website? You go to jailhousestrong.com?

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 It doesn't seem like that. It's just, like, a Facebook profile, I think.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:25 Go to jailhousestrong.com, see if there's a website.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Apparel.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:29 Okay. So Jailhouse Strong is just his apparel? It's all him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:35 It's all his giant back.

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 I guess so.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:38 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 Yeah. Hey, he's definitely not overly promotional, though.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:42 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Like, you almost wouldn't even know- He has, has Instagram.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:44 ... that he has anything.

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 Yeah, that's what's really strange about it, is, like, what is he doing?

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:48 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 (laughs)

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:49 (laughs) Yeah, I, I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 He's getting people to talk about it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:52 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 He-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:53 Maybe that's part of the mystique.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 Bryan Callen sent it to me first. He goes, "You need to see this freak."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:07:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 And he goes, "You heard of Tom Haviland?" I go, "No." And he just li- li- reads me all the details of, like, how big this guy is, and all of his videos of him from behind, lifting insane amounts of weight.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:10 Oh, jeez. I feel like every year, I'm gonna be asking the same question, "Is Bryan Callen on TRT yet?"

Joe Rogan 1:08:15 Not yet.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:16 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 No. I don't get it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:18 What's he waiting for?

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 He's falling apart. He's waiting to die.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:20 Literally.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 I don't understand it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 He claims his testosterone's fine.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:25 Oh, really? Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 Okay. Hmm.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:27 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 I, I, I don't know who he's going to. He d- like, certain friends listen and certain friends are stubborn and they just don't listen.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:36 And you're like, "Okay, do what y- you know, do whatever you wanna do." With all these comedian guys, I was telling them forever, as long as they would listen, I'm like, "If you have more energy, you'll be able to do more things in your life." Like, forget about what you look like, y- but you will most certainly look better if you lift weights and work out and eat well. But m- maybe more importantly, you'll have more energy for everything you do in life-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:08:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 ... including going stage. Like, I'm 56 years old. I still do two shows a night, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. That's six hours of comedy in three days. And I don't get that hard. I'm fine, 'cause I'm fit.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:09:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 I eat well, I'm healthy. I'm like, I have energy. Like, you don't have energy. Like, you guys get tired doing one show.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:09:19 What's your current, uh, I don't know, like, supplementation and/or, like, drugs for, you know, staying dialed or mentally sharp? Or is there? Is it just perfect diet or... ?

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 Well, uh, for supplementation, um, I've recently had Gary Brecka on the podcast.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:09:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 And started, I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends. I just started doing it. I can't tell... I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement. I also ordered one of his light beds-

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:09:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 ... which seemed... Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger. And there's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat. I noticed when I got on the carnivore diet, my, like, your cheeks get kinda sucked in and you kinda look like shit, because it's like you don't have f- face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:07 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 So your face starts getting, like, kinda sunken in. His face did that at first, and then it plumped up again. And I'm like, "What's going on with that?" And the, and he's like, "It's the red light bed." Like, the red light bed increases collagen in your skin, and you use it every day. And he uses it... He's got a routine that Gary Brecka does. What does he call it? The superhuman protocol something? I forget what he calls it.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:30 Is Dana still... Like, I'm pretty sure he was on a keto-

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 Yep.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:33 ... diet when he was dieting down. Is he still on keto?

Joe Rogan 1:10:35 Yep.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:10:35 He says he's gonna be on that forever.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:36 Huh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 He's like, "Dude, I feel so good. I have so much energy and so much mental clarity," he goes, "I'm staying keto forever."

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:41 He hasn't added carbs cyclically around workout training?

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 No. No.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 No.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:45 'Cause that would definitely be like... He's holding less water in his face too when you have no carbs.

Joe Rogan 1:10:49 Right.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:50 So that would be a big, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 Yeah.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:51 ... suck outta there.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 Yeah. Well, that's what happened with me, for sure. When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I know, I lost a shitload of body fat.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:10:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Like, I got really ripped.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:11:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:00 Like, pretty easily. Like, this is kind of extraordinary. And also, the thing that, that's the most beneficial to me is the, uh, mental focus and clarity, which I did... I mean, I did it once before, in, like, four or five years ago, I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:11:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 But I kind of always went off it, on it, eat pizza, have pasta, you know, one or two days a week I'll fuck off.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:11:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 But I've been really good at it for the last couple months. Like, I had a slice of pizza last night, and then on Saturday night I had some sushi. The majority of my diet, though, th- and that's rare. I won't do that again for another month or so. The majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and game meat and bacon, and it's, it's all just healthy fat. I'll still eat avocados and avocado oil, and I'll occasionally have a piece of fruit, but the vast majority of my diet is just animal-based.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:11:53 So you don't like s-... I feel like one o-... Last time I was here, we were talking about, like, fruit and adding it in around your workouts and whatnot. Like, is that-

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 Sometimes I'll still do that. I'll have, like, a banana before I work out.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:12:04 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 But it's not every day. It's, like, once a week.

Derek (More Plates More Dates) 1:12:07 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Something like that. The v-... Like, or I'll have, like, berries and yogurt. But most of my food is animal-based. And when I do that, I have a 100% recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally. Like, when I do the po-... When th- when I first started doing it, again, I, I remember I came home once from my c- club, and I was a little drunk, and