Joe Rogan Experience #2077 - Tim Dillon

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) And we're up, let's go Tim Dillon.

Tim Dillon 0:14 How are you, sir?

Joe Rogan 0:14 I'm good now, looking at that coat.

Tim Dillon 0:16 Thank you for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:17 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:17 It's raccoon. I went to a furrier in New York and two little old Jewish guys, and they go, "We don't have anything in your size, uh, like sable or chinchilla or any of the high end." But then one of the little guys goes, "We may have a raccoon in the back."

Joe Rogan 0:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:40 And he (laughs) , and he came out with this. And this is a raccoon, but he was explaining it's from Finland.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Oh.

Tim Dillon 0:46 Like these raccoons are Finnish.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Is that the actual color of their fur or did they dye that?

Tim Dillon 0:52 I think the-

Joe Rogan 0:53 Because it's like a blond, almost like a grizzly bear.

Tim Dillon 0:55 I think the raccoons in Finland are, are have different colors, perhaps.

Joe Rogan 1:01 Hm, let's google that.

Tim Dillon 1:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02 What does a raccoon look like in Finland? Is that a different animal? What do they call them? They call them dumpster dogs or something like that?

Tim Dillon 1:10 Um, trash pandas.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Trash pandas, that's it. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:12 You know? And, uh, listen, I like a raccoon too, but I also like fur. I think people should be allowed to wear fur.

Joe Rogan 1:19 Well, it is weird that you're allowed-

Tim Dillon 1:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21 ... to kill animals and eat them.

Narrator 1:22 Why do they call it a raccoon dog?

Joe Rogan 1:25 Ah.

Narrator 1:25 I've never heard of that.

Tim Dillon 1:25 Oh, so it is, it is kind of similar to, to the, to the coat I have.

Narrator 1:29 I typed in Finland raccoon, and it just keeps saying raccoon dog.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Raccoon dog.

Tim Dillon 1:34 See, in Finland, they seem to be more tan.

Joe Rogan 1:37 Yeah, that looks like your coat.

Tim Dillon 1:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 That's a, that doesn't look like a raccoon. Like if I saw that, I wouldn't say that's a raccoon. I'd be like, "What is that?"

Tim Dillon 1:44 Yeah, I don't know what it is.

Joe Rogan 1:46 It's kind of got a raccoony face.

Tim Dillon 1:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Like scroll back up to those images. Like that picture up there, that's a raccoony face, this cre- cute kee- creature. That's a raccoony face. But the color of it, I'd be like, "What is that?"

Narrator 1:58 That one looks a little weird.

Joe Rogan 1:59 That's weird. Yeah. So they call them a raccoon dog?

Narrator 2:03 I, I, I just typed in raccoon.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Bro, you got a dog coat on. That's rough.

Tim Dillon 2:08 I knew, I knew, I think I got taken advantage of. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 2:15 This wasn't... They kind of looked at each other a few times and this one didn't even have the liner in. They put the liner in.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Oh, Jesus.

Tim Dillon 2:23 It's a very cheap liner.

Joe Rogan 2:25 Oh.

Tim Dillon 2:26 They put the liner in. I just went in because I was curious about... I don't, I don't understand it. I get curious about different things. So these furriers in New York City, a lot of them will kick you out if you don't have an appointment. So one of them just said, "We can't deal with you."

Joe Rogan 2:40 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 2:40 "You don't have an appointment, go." But then these two guys were nice enough to talk to me a little bit and I was just asking questions. I'm like, (clears throat) "What's the deal?" They're like, "Well, sable is like our, the top thing." And then they're like, "Obviously ch- mink and chinchilla and fox and-"

Joe Rogan 2:55 Could they make you a custom one?

Tim Dillon 2:57 Of course, they could absolutely.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Your size so you don't have to order it.

Tim Dillon 2:59 They could absolutely make a custom one, but I wanted something fun to come on here with.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 3:05 So I said, "I don't really even want one of these. So I just want to do like an impulse buy. Just give me something to buy."

Joe Rogan 3:10 Right.

Tim Dillon 3:10 "I don't want to think about this."

Joe Rogan 3:11 And you got, you got the raccoon.

Tim Dillon 3:13 And then the guy goes, "We have a rac-" I don't know what it is. It could be a costume. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:18 (laughs) It might have been what the Patterson guy wore in the Bigfoot footage.

Tim Dillon 3:21 Yeah, I have no idea what it is, but it is a fun, and it's got that hood.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Mm.

Tim Dillon 3:27 It's got a hood like if you were a rapper or something like this.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Do you know Bill-

Tim Dillon 3:32 You know-

Joe Rogan 3:32 ... You know Bill Blumenright from, uh, Boston?

Tim Dillon 3:34 Of course.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Yeah. Uh, Bill had a mink coat once.

Tim Dillon 3:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:38 And he let me try it on. I'm like, "Let me try that on."

Tim Dillon 3:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:41 And I was like, "Oh my God, it's so warm."

Tim Dillon 3:43 It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 3:44 It's like, yeah. There's a reason why people like them.

Tim Dillon 3:45 But people get real mad.

Joe Rogan 3:47 Oh, yeah, they don't like it. But it's also weird, like, you're allowed to wear leather.

Tim Dillon 3:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Like, what is leather? If you're wea- Leather is everywhere. Everybody wears leather.

Tim Dillon 3:57 It's in cars.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Leather is just the fur removed. That's all it is.

Tim Dillon 4:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Like, uh-

Tim Dillon 4:02 Crocodile scales.

Joe Rogan 4:04 There's a company called Origin and, uh, one of the elk that I shot, we took the hide and had the hide shipped to them. They're going to turn it into boots.

Tim Dillon 4:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:13 It's a good use of leather.

Tim Dillon 4:14 Of course.

Joe Rogan 4:15 But that's normal. Nobody gets, nobody gets freaked out if they see you with leather boots on.

Tim Dillon 4:18 Well, wasn't this the entire-

Joe Rogan 4:19 Everybody has leather boots on.

Tim Dillon 4:20 ... I mean, you know more than me, but the, the Native Americans who respected the, you know, the, the animals and the environment, it was all about utilizing every part of the animal.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Yeah, they used everything they could.

Tim Dillon 4:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:35 And they lived in harmony with them.

Tim Dillon 4:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:37 Like, you know, especially like some, some of these Native American tribes had these relationships where they were migratory with the animals.

Tim Dillon 4:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Like, like buffalo in the Comanche. They followed them around, man. And they, they used all their... They eat blankets, they'd... All sorts of things.

Tim Dillon 4:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Th- Their teepees, everything. Like...

Tim Dillon 4:57 So to me, I don't understand where it became, uh, you know, so controversial.

Joe Rogan 5:04 Because it's, uh, it's really rich people flaunting that they can go have someone murder a mink for them.

Tim Dillon 5:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:11 And you're wearing this thing and you've got all these diamonds and you're walking in fabulous.

Tim Dillon 5:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:17 It's imbalanced.

Tim Dillon 5:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:19 It's grossly imbalanced.

Tim Dillon 5:21 To a degree-

Joe Rogan 5:21 If you're a rapper with like hundreds in your hands and you're throwing them at the crowd.

Tim Dillon 5:25 Sure, but somehow I look balanced with nature in this, in an odd way. I don't, you know... I don't even feel like I look rich in this. I look a little crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Well, you have balanced it out.

Tim Dillon 5:34 I look like a guy on the brink of something.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Right.

Tim Dillon 5:37 And not a good thing. It depends on what you like.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Right.

Tim Dillon 5:41 It depends. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:41 I would look at that's a fun guy. That's a f- My initial reaction when I saw you in it, I was like, "This is awesome."

Tim Dillon 5:47 Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because it, it does seem to me, I understand that people are morally against it, but when you start like, I don't know, throwing paint on people.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Tim Dillon 5:59 Red paint.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 6:00 I was in Beverly Hills once. They had like outside of a store, they were like chanting.... and they were trying to intimidate people walking in the sto- it just feels silly.

Joe Rogan 6:09 I had a girl tell me once, she was upset at The Comedy Store, that I, I had fur... I had a hoodie with fur around the edges of it, and she, and she just, like, out of nowhere, I don't know, I wasn't even talking to her, she's like, "Something shitty about the fur."

Tim Dillon 6:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:24 I go, I go, "It's fake."

Tim Dillon 6:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:26 I go, "It's fake fur. It's like a f- it's a fucking hoodie."

Tim Dillon 6:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:29 And she goes, "I don't like what it represents." (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:32 What does it rep- What is it wrong with these people?

Joe Rogan 6:35 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:35 I don't-

Joe Rogan 6:35 It represent... This was a long time ago, by the way. This is not, like, famous me. But I was like, "This is such, such a crazy conversation." Like, it's fake fur. Like...

Tim Dillon 6:43 I, I don't understand. I, I, I understand people that are ethical vegans, who say, "I don't want any type of animal product ever."

Joe Rogan 6:55 Right.

Tim Dillon 6:55 Okay. Um, I disagree with that, and I think a lot of people on Earth would disagree with that. I think the human race would go, would starve pretty quickly if we couldn't eat any animal product.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Yeah. That-

Tim Dillon 7:09 It's-

Joe Rogan 7:09 ... wouldn't work out well.

Tim Dillon 7:10 It wouldn't work out.

Joe Rogan 7:11 But it's al- it a- it is also very complicated, because the relationship that we used to have with animals, like, the animal relationship that you're talking about with the Native Americans-

Tim Dillon 7:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:20 ... where they had this, the tribal relationship where they followed these herds around and hunted them expertly, that is so different than going to Jack in the Box-

Tim Dillon 7:30 That's true.

Joe Rogan 7:30 ... and, and that's what most of what our meat is coming from, this weird subversion of, like, the natural way of getting food.

Tim Dillon 7:38 The factory farming.

Joe Rogan 7:39 Yeah, they n- I've just never been a time ever where, in human history, where people have stuffed so many fucking animals into warehouses and just beheaded them.

Tim Dillon 7:48 But because our population has never been greater-

Joe Rogan 7:52 Right.

Tim Dillon 7:52 ... it's never been bigger, we've never had more of a burden to feed people.

Joe Rogan 7:56 Right.

Tim Dillon 7:56 And, um, it's unfortunate the way that it happens. I mean, we've all seen, like, the footage of, like, the chickens-

Joe Rogan 8:04 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 8:04 ... that don't get to walk around.

Joe Rogan 8:06 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 8:06 That's not good.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Not good. Also, I think that up until fairly recently, like, fairly recently, like, within the last couple hundred years, it was unheard of to not grow your own food.

Tim Dillon 8:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:21 I think everybody sort of knew that you had to grow some of your own food, or hunt some of your own food.

Tim Dillon 8:27 Well, that's so hard now because how do you do that in Arizona?

Joe Rogan 8:31 You don't.

Tim Dillon 8:31 Right? Like, if you live in the desert-

Joe Rogan 8:33 You don't necessarily... I mean, what kind of water rights do you have, right? I mean, you're getting-

Tim Dillon 8:35 Right, or if you're in Minnesota and it's freezing.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Right. Right.

Tim Dillon 8:39 So it just, it becomes difficult to live that... I'm sure that's the ideal way to live, but the modern world is t- it's very hard. People don't have any time.

Joe Rogan 8:49 No.

Tim Dillon 8:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 8:51 No, it's hard. And what, you know, imagine what it was like before they had trucks. Imagine, like, living-

Tim Dillon 8:56 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 8:57 ... in Manhattan in January in 1700-

Tim Dillon 9:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:00 ... and you can't get an apple.

Tim Dillon 9:01 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Like, there's, there's no, there's no fruit. You're not getting any fruit.

Tim Dillon 9:04 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 9:04 You're not getting any vegetables.

Tim Dillon 9:05 Well, what's funny is, like, there's this show on HBO called The Gilded Age, and it's about all these really, you know, like, the robber barons, like, the industrialists-

Joe Rogan 9:12 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 9:12 And, like, they all had these massive staffs of people that would just make them dinners every night.

Joe Rogan 9:18 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:19 Just cra- it was crazy, like-

Joe Rogan 9:20 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:20 ... they had entire staffs of, like, usually Irish chefs, and cooks, and waiters, and everything, just to facilitate the meal.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Wow.

Tim Dillon 9:31 The daily meal. Like, it was very royal and regal, and they would have people just there cooking for them, and making their food, and it was, it's interesting to watch, because-

Joe Rogan 9:42 The haves and the have-nots back then. What a gap.

Tim Dillon 9:44 Back then, it was wild. Like, people say it's wild now, and it is wild now, because a lot of the haves now can take a spaceship and, and, you know-

Joe Rogan 9:53 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 9:53 ... take a blunt drive around the globe.

Joe Rogan 9:55 Yeah. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:55 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 9:56 How much carbon does that burn off into the atmosphere?

Tim Dillon 9:59 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 10:00 I mean, if you wanna talk about-

Tim Dillon 10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:01 ... some of the most ridiculous-

Tim Dillon 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:03 ... excesses of carbon use- (laughs)

Tim Dillon 10:06 Yeah, it's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:07 ... like shooting rich people into orbit.

Tim Dillon 10:09 (laughs) Yes. Probably.

Joe Rogan 10:09 That's so nuts.

Tim Dillon 10:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:10 That must be so much gas.

Tim Dillon 10:12 It's so nuts. But like anything else, right, they'll say, "Well, it's good for, uh, I guess, the, uh, i- it incentivizes people to care about space exploration."

Joe Rogan 10:23 Right.

Tim Dillon 10:24 Because they're gonna pay a lot of money to go up there-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Right.

Tim Dillon 10:26 ... and that money's gonna get utilized to discover more things. I, I, you know, who knows if that's... (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 10:33 It's a weird argument.

Tim Dillon 10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Because, like, I feel like (laughs) ... I mean, look, I'm happy that they're exploring space, but I feel like maybe someone should sit down and go, "Hey, until you guys figure out a better way to get off-"

Tim Dillon 10:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:44 "... the fucking ground-"

Tim Dillon 10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:45 "... let's just..."

Tim Dillon 10:46 "Let's just chill."

Joe Rogan 10:47 If w- How are we saying, "No one-"

Tim Dillon 10:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:49 "... should burn carbon fuel?" How are we saying-

Tim Dillon 10:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:51 ... that you can't have gas-powered cars in California after 2035?

Tim Dillon 10:55 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:56 How are we saying that while we're shooting off these giant, fucking-

Tim Dillon 10:59 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:00 ... metal tubes of-

Tim Dillon 11:01 Into-

Joe Rogan 11:01 ... jet fuel-

Tim Dillon 11:02 Into space.

Joe Rogan 11:03 ... like, on fire.

Tim Dillon 11:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:04 They're literally, it's literally burning in the sky.

Tim Dillon 11:06 I think that's the reward when you-

Joe Rogan 11:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 11:08 ... have a billion dollars is to, you can, you, it, you wanna think you can leave.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:15 That seems to be the reward. It's these guys going like, "We don't have it quite figured out yet." But they're like, "God, it might be nice if I could leave."

Joe Rogan 11:23 Oh, my God, it would be hell.

Tim Dillon 11:25 You know? It would be tough.

Joe Rogan 11:26 It would be so stupid. The first person that leaves, they're gonna fall into... There's a trap, and here's the trap: Just because something's hard to do doesn't mean it's good to do.

Tim Dillon 11:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:36 And you could say, "It's gonna be so difficult for us to get to Mars."

Tim Dillon 11:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:40 Right.

Tim Dillon 11:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:41 Also, so difficult for someone to fucking save you.

Tim Dillon 11:44 For, for a reason.

Joe Rogan 11:45 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:45 That's not a good place to go.

Tim Dillon 11:47 No.

Joe Rogan 11:48 We have spots in Earth that suck.

Tim Dillon 11:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:51 Go visit those (laughs) and they can-

Tim Dillon 11:53 Yeah. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 11:53 ... get you out by helicopter, if you're lucky.

Tim Dillon 11:55 These people want... I think there's that fantasy of, like, seeding other planets-

Joe Rogan 12:01 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 12:02 ... with biological DNA-

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:04 ... carrying on the human race. The idea that the Earth might be past a tipping point.... maybe.

Joe Rogan 12:10 I think we have to realize that time does not give a fuck about the human race.

Tim Dillon 12:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:18 Time doesn't care. If w- we got hit by an asteroid and this whole planet got knocked back down into the Jurassic Period again-

Tim Dillon 12:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:28 ... that totally could happen. It's happened before. It's the reason why we're here in the first place, supposedly, right? The, the Yucatan impact. If that happens again, time doesn't care.

Tim Dillon 12:40 Do we-

Joe Rogan 12:40 Time doesn't care.

Tim Dillon 12:41 Can we-

Joe Rogan 12:42 We care.

Tim Dillon 12:42 Can we do anything to the asteroid now that we're more advanced?

Joe Rogan 12:45 They are slowly but surely being able to recognize where they... The real problem, supposedly, I believe, is ones that come from, uh, n- too near the sun.

Tim Dillon 12:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:56 The problem is, the gravity of the sun... I'm sure I'm fucking this up, I'm sorry. Uh, I think the gravity of the sun, the mass of the sun is so immense that it's difficult to see objects that are behind it coming towards us. So, if something's passing the sun and going towards us, we might not see it until it's too late to do anything about it. And then, even if we do see it, there's only a few different methods that they've devised that seem to, like... One of them is you, like, hit it with a surface, like something lands on it. And this changing of the aerodynamics of it, like, changes its trajectory-

Tim Dillon 13:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:35 ... in some way. And another one is breaking it up. The breaking it up one scares people, though, because they're like, "Well, what if you break it up into many pieces that you c- just go to a bunch of different spots on Earth?" And it has the same impact, just not in one spot.

Tim Dillon 13:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Like, you might, you might actually... Maybe it would have landed in the ocean and most people would survive.

Tim Dillon 13:54 It's amazing that nothing... We haven't had a really... and you, you might know more than I do, but we haven't had a really, like, destructive asteroid impact in a, in a long time.

Joe Rogan 14:08 It's a timeline thing, dude.

Tim Dillon 14:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Our timeline is our lifetime, and it's so long for a person, and it's so nothing for space.

Tim Dillon 14:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:17 It's so nothing. It literally is nothing.

Tim Dillon 14:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:20 Our timeline is 100 years for a human timeline. The, the Earth is four point whatever billion years old. The universe... There's all these arguments now, the universe is even older than 13.7 billion years ago. I'm not really smart enough to understand, it's something about the forming of the galaxies, like they seemed to have formed quicker. That th- it wouldn't be possible if the Earth was only, or if the universe was only-

Tim Dillon 14:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:40 ... 13.7 billion years, but Brian Keating doesn't agree with it, so maybe he's right. I don't know who's right. But it's... Either way, we're 100 years of nothing. It's so quick. And if we get hit with an asteroid, and then everything starts, and it's another 65 million years from now until a new form of intelligent life arises-

Tim Dillon 15:02 (coughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 15:03 ... the, the universe doesn't care about that.

Tim Dillon 15:04 No, right.

Joe Rogan 15:05 It doesn't-

Tim Dillon 15:06 Me s- me saying we haven't had a significant impact is like when your 13-year-old starts talking about Israel and Palestine.

Joe Rogan 15:12 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 15:12 Like, they just don't... This is-

Joe Rogan 15:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 15:14 ... it's, uh, it's... I sound ridiculous because it's literally... I've been on the planet 38 years and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 15:20 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 15:20 ... "We haven't had anything."

Joe Rogan 15:22 You get... As you get older, you get old enough to realize this hustle. You get... Oh, this, this is a hustle. Like, you're tr- you're pretending like you can do something.

Tim Dillon 15:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:32 You're pretending like you're gonna make a life and leave a mark and all that. It's... You're just moving.

Tim Dillon 15:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:37 And you're gonna be gone and new people are gonna move into that. And w- everyone's affecting everybody and we're all working towards some weird goal.

Tim Dillon 15:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:46 And some of it involves rockets and computers.

Tim Dillon 15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 And we're just building wilder and wilder technology. But I don't know if we can escape before something hits. And I have a feeling that's what's happened many times in the past. I think that's the biggest key to the mystery of people.

Tim Dillon 16:04 And you think that we may have gotten to this point...

Joe Rogan 16:06 I think we definitely did.

Tim Dillon 16:07 ... where people were podcasting in ridiculous coats-

Joe Rogan 16:10 Yes.

Tim Dillon 16:10 ... and then something comes and ruins it-

Joe Rogan 16:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:13 ... and then it takes billions of years to get back to that.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Millions.

Tim Dillon 16:17 Millions to get back-

Joe Rogan 16:18 Not-

Tim Dillon 16:18 ... to that.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Not really millions. I think probably whatever the Egyptians were doing, I think they were the most advanced civilization that ever existed. That's what I think. This is to-... I mean, I'm out of line here for sure. Listen, if you're an archeologist and you're pulling your hair out, I get it. But I don't think we could do what they did. I think if you just look at it for just the sheer dynamics, the volume of stone that they moved, the precision in which they built it, I really don't think we can do that. Just the symmetry of the faces of the statues is unparalleled, and they're immense. These are monstrously huge, perfectly symmetrical faces.

Tim Dillon 17:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Their, their temples are insanely intricate with 20 t- t- t- 20-ton gigantic stone blocks that were taken from a mountain 500 miles away.

Tim Dillon 17:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:17 And no one has any idea how the fuck they got over there.

Tim Dillon 17:19 Nobody has any clue?

Joe Rogan 17:20 No guesses.

Tim Dillon 17:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:21 There's some guesses about, oh, maybe the river system was different back then. Whatever.

Tim Dillon 17:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:25 How are you getting that 50-ton chunk of granite-

Tim Dillon 17:29 No way.

Joe Rogan 17:29 ... out of a fucking mountain and moving it down?

Tim Dillon 17:31 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Even with modern equipment, how are you getting it over the mountain?

Tim Dillon 17:34 So, it seems like they-

Joe Rogan 17:35 You don't even have roads. What are you doing?

Tim Dillon 17:36 They were incredibly advanced.

Joe Rogan 17:38 Incredibly advanced.

Tim Dillon 17:40 With math, with science, with technology.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Certainly with geometry. They also had an understanding of the cosmos. They definitely had an understanding of the constellations. And that's one of the reasons why the, the fringe theory is that the Sphinx is way older than what they have it currently dated at, was like 2500 BC, which is still crazy old, right?

Tim Dillon 18:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:05 But what they think is it's probably older than that, maybe even 10,000 or 30,000 years old. And that at these times in... uh, whenever the calendar is aligned properly, whatever the year is, it's like exactly where a lion would be staring the constellation Leo.

Tim Dillon 18:24 ... that's mind-blowing-

Joe Rogan 18:26 Mind-blowing.

Tim Dillon 18:27 ... to think about that stuff.

Joe Rogan 18:28 I don't know if that's true, though. That's a weird one. It's like, how do we know if ... Like, there's, the, from the burning of the Library of Alexandria, we lost so much of an understanding of what the Egyptians knew, and what they recorded, so there's a lot, like, there's a lot of weird speculation amongst Egyptologists. Like, they look at the old hi- they have hieroglyphs that show kings that go back 40,000 years.

Tim Dillon 18:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:50 And they look that, like, they look at that as myth.

Tim Dillon 18:53 But it, I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 18:54 So it gets to a certain-

Tim Dillon 18:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:55 ... time and they decide-

Tim Dillon 18:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:56 ... "Okay, now this is really, this is Tutankhamun, this is Ramses, this is-"

Tim Dillon 19:00 Are we talking about-

Joe Rogan 19:01 "... the kings."

Tim Dillon 19:01 ... biblical times? Or even, we're, we're, pre-dating that-

Joe Rogan 19:05 Oh, pre-, pre-biblical times.

Tim Dillon 19:05 So we're really predating the Biblical times?

Joe Rogan 19:08 Yeah. If they're correct, if these hieroglyphs are real, instead of, like, saying that they're myth because they're talking about kings that ruled the earth 40,000 years ago and we're, we decided that th- those people back then were primitive. But if they're right, and if it only existed in a few places on earth, well, that makes sense.

Tim Dillon 19:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:26 That's how it is now. You can go-

Tim Dillon 19:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Right now, you can go to the Amazon, you see people living like they lived thousands of years ago.

Tim Dillon 19:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:31 And then you can see someone here get hit by a car because they're looking at their phone.

Tim Dillon 19:34 That's right.

Joe Rogan 19:34 You know? It's like they're both existing at the same time. I think that's probably always been the case with people. There's always been, like, people that live in Siberia, these nomadic, tribal people that are very content just living the same way they've always lived, and then there's people that live in San Francisco that have people shitting on their street and fucking-

Tim Dillon 19:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:50 ... shooting up in front of them, getting paid.

Tim Dillon 19:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:53 It's-

Tim Dillon 19:53 So it's interesting, you just, you've always kind of had that dichotomy of really advanced people and then really, you know, I don't wanna use the word primitive, but-

Joe Rogan 20:01 Right.

Tim Dillon 20:01 ... certainly, you know, these uncontacted tribes and, and things like that, and-

Joe Rogan 20:05 Human beings-

Tim Dillon 20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... always have inequality.

Tim Dillon 20:07 Yeah, there's always that strata of-

Joe Rogan 20:08 There's always something.

Tim Dillon 20:10 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 20:10 And it's whether it's cultural, whether it's geographical, whether you're trapped on an island, like, whatever, you're always gonna find somewhere, somewhere on earth, someone who's just l- way beyond, like, what we think of as, like, modern society, like what's acceptable, running water. These people have none of that.

Tim Dillon 20:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:29 These people have ... They're making their own spears.

Tim Dillon 20:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:31 They're hunting, they have leaves on their dicks, they're-

Tim Dillon 20:33 They're killing animals-

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Tim Dillon 20:35 ... for ne- out of necessity.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Out of necessity.

Tim Dillon 20:37 Because those animals might kill them.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 20:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:40 They know what leaves to ta- Have you ever seen those people, the, uh, the, the, I think the Huaorani, is that what they're called? In the-

Tim Dillon 20:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:45 ... Guyana? They, they, they throw poison in the water to kill-

Tim Dillon 20:48 Have you gone to, like-

Joe Rogan 20:50 ... all the fish.

Tim Dillon 20:50 Have you gone to Machu Picchu or to do-

Joe Rogan 20:52 Not Amazon, that one.

Tim Dillon 20:52 ... Brazil or the Amazon-

Joe Rogan 20:54 No.

Tim Dillon 20:54 ... or anything?

Joe Rogan 20:55 The only places that I've been to that are really, like, I just got back from Greece.

Tim Dillon 20:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:59 We did Greece this summer. That was amazing.

Tim Dillon 21:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:01 That's amazing, but that's, you're talking like 2,500 years old. That's, uh, it's like a child compared to the pyramids, you know?

Tim Dillon 21:09 Yeah, it's, it's, it's really amazing antiquity and how old things are.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 21:14 And then where, where the line is between what is myth and what is history.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 21:21 And f- trying to figure that out, which is, no, it's very hard.

Joe Rogan 21:24 I think that even the stuff that we think of as, like, the cradle of wisdom, like what happened in Greece when they were d- building the Acropolis and the Parthenon, and when they were ... Ah, ah, ah, ah- where democracy came from, all ... I think that is like a rebuilding of civilization.

Tim Dillon 21:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:42 That's what I think. And I think if you can go back in a time machine, I bet if you could get to Egypt 25,000 years ago, I bet you'd be fucking blown away. I bet they had some very bizarre, technologically advanced society that had a different path they went down. So we went down the path of engines and computers-

Tim Dillon 22:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:05 ... and-

Tim Dillon 22:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:05 But that doesn't mean that's the only way to invent technology.

Tim Dillon 22:08 No, that's right.

Joe Rogan 22:09 That's just the path that we've been on.

Tim Dillon 22:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:11 If they had figured out some other stuff, they had figured out ... If they had hundreds of thousands of years of time to really evolve and, and become modern humans, which is what we think now. They used to think that people were only around for, like, 50,000 years, like, m- anatomically modern humans, but now they've pushed it back to, like, 200,000 years ago, 300 ... It keeps going back further-

Tim Dillon 22:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:32 ... and further and further. So-

Tim Dillon 22:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 ... people really did live that long. It's ... Think about how quick we went from, like, 1800 to 2023.

Tim Dillon 22:43 Yeah. Quick.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Insane.

Tim Dillon 22:45 It's quick.

Joe Rogan 22:45 But i- the difference between riding around on a fucking wagon being-

Tim Dillon 22:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:50 ... dragged by an animal or some-

Tim Dillon 22:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:52 ... stupid boat you had to take across the Atlantic.

Tim Dillon 22:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:55 And no one had any idea where the icebergs were.

Tim Dillon 22:57 Yeah, to n-

Joe Rogan 22:57 No one had-

Tim Dillon 22:57 ... to now, existing, you know, primarily in, like, uh, you know, half in and half out of a completely digital universe.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yes. Half in, half out.

Tim Dillon 23:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Connected constantly to your phone.

Tim Dillon 23:09 And every book, like, I'm reading a book now called The Di- Dimensions of a Cave, and it's basically about what will things look like when we are more fully on that digital platform.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:19 Like, what constitutes a crime in the digital world?

Joe Rogan 23:23 Ooh. Ooh.

Tim Dillon 23:23 What does war look like when everything's digital?

Joe Rogan 23:27 What happens if-

Tim Dillon 23:28 Like-

Joe Rogan 23:28 ... something like Grand Theft Auto, if people get prosecuted for beating people up with bikes?

Tim Dillon 23:31 Well, this is what ... You know, there's, like, weird, like, ethical questions-

Joe Rogan 23:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:35 ... about, like, when we're living a lot of our lives on these digital platforms.

Joe Rogan 23:41 Right.

Tim Dillon 23:42 What is a crime? What is surveillance when everything's surveillance?

Joe Rogan 23:45 Right.

Tim Dillon 23:45 Right? What are ... You know, what are the laws? What are the rules? What are the consequences for breaking them? Can you be cast out of that? You know, just like-

Joe Rogan 23:55 Right.

Tim Dillon 23:55 ... the way we debate social media. Now imagine it's even more immersive than social media. It's augmented reality, virtual reality, some form of metaverse, whatever it is. Can we, do we cast you out-

Joe Rogan 24:08 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 24:08 ... where you can't participate in this thing that everybody else is participating in? And these are interesting questions because people are saying that we'll probably get there quicker than we think.

Joe Rogan 24:21 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 24:21 You know, in the, in the space of maybe 10 years or something-... they're, they're looking at these programs and platforms and going, "Oh, there's gonna be a lot..." Like, that's why the AI battle that they had with Hollywood, it, it seems ultimately a losing battle.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Right.

Tim Dillon 24:38 Like, it, it, which is, you know, not something that I love, but ultimately it seems like... Look at the trailer for the new GTA, it's pretty amazing.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Amazing.

Tim Dillon 24:46 Imagine that even better, you know-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 24:51 ... it seems like there is gonna be a time when we're watching a show of all AI people, and enjoying it, and that's just what it is. And maybe we're even feeling like we're involved or immersed in it.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 25:06 Maybe we're sitting there watching a guy get shot or ran over, or watching a hooker get killed, I don't know, but, you know, there's very possible we could be in the thing.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 25:18 I mean, there's people now talking about, like-

Joe Rogan 25:21 What's this, Jimmy?

Narrator 25:22 Uh, this showed up on the Twitter recently.

25:24 Powered by artificial intelligence.

25:25 It's all fake news. A 25-minute-

25:26 Today, you'll witness-

25:27 ... news broadcast, all AI.

Tim Dillon 25:28 It's fake?

Narrator 25:29 ... headlines, captivating visuals-

25:29 And she's even saying it. It's all generated by AI.

25:32 ... and data-driven insights.

Tim Dillon 25:33 Yeah, so no one's gonna know what's real anymore.

Narrator 25:35 Like, watch your mouth, like that's-

25:36 Technology enables us to bring you a global perspective 24/7, right from the heart of our AI-right-

Tim Dillon 25:42 Yeah, we make it up.

Joe Rogan 25:43 Hold on. Let me lo- let me listen to what she, what they're saying here.

Narrator 25:45 Yeah, sorry.

25:45 ... enables us to bring you a global perspective 24/7, right from the heart of our AI native newsroom, all presented by our team of AI-generated reporters.

Joe Rogan 25:56 (laughs)

Narrator 25:56 Maybe you hear the words artificial intelligence-

Joe Rogan 25:59 Wait, is that a real dude?

Narrator 26:00 No.

Joe Rogan 26:00 No?

Narrator 26:00 I mean-

Joe Rogan 26:01 No way.

Narrator 26:02 ... concerned about the technology- It may be at one point was, but that's not, of course. That's, this is AI generated movement, talking, blinking, all that.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Oh, my God.

Narrator 26:09 AI that gives you news the way you want it, personalized-

Tim Dillon 26:12 I say maybe-

Joe Rogan 26:13 (laughs) Personalized news? This is so dystopian.

Tim Dillon 26:15 Yeah, maybe do AI news though, because the reality is, most people can't do much about the news anyway.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Right.

Tim Dillon 26:24 So, AI news where you just kind of make up stories-

Joe Rogan 26:27 Right.

Tim Dillon 26:28 ... might be the future. Or you might heavily, um, censor what you want, and people could choose their own news.

Joe Rogan 26:38 Yeah, that's what they-

Tim Dillon 26:38 People are kind of doing that already.

Joe Rogan 26:40 They're kind of doing that already.

Tim Dillon 26:40 They choose their own news. My aunt chooses her news. In her news, Donald Trump has been running the government for the last four years.

Joe Rogan 26:49 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 26:49 He speaks to the generals directly.

Joe Rogan 26:51 (laughs) Listen to you.

Tim Dillon 26:52 Biden has been dead-

Joe Rogan 26:54 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 26:54 ... for a while, which, and by the way, that's harder and harder to argue with her about. And in her news, Donald Trump will then, uh, come back to the throne, um, but he's still running anything that she goes, anything, she tells us at Thanksgiving, she goes, "Anything that could happen with China or Russia, Trump's doing the negotiation, not Biden."

Joe Rogan 27:13 Have you seen the, uh, Biden ear conspiracy?

Tim Dillon 27:17 No.

Joe Rogan 27:18 The ear lobe conspiracy?

Tim Dillon 27:19 But I love it.

Joe Rogan 27:19 (laughs) This is-

Tim Dillon 27:20 Already I love it.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Uh, if you look at old-

Tim Dillon 27:22 That he did, put something in his ear.

Joe Rogan 27:23 ... photos of Biden-

Tim Dillon 27:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 ... his ear lobe hangs down.

Tim Dillon 27:26 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 27:27 As he gets older, his ear lobe is connected, which is impossible.

Tim Dillon 27:31 That's odd.

Joe Rogan 27:32 It's impossible. Like, your ear, your ear doesn't change its position unless you get surgery.

Tim Dillon 27:37 So what do we think?

Joe Rogan 27:38 I think he had a face lift.

Tim Dillon 27:39 Oh, definitely.

Joe Rogan 27:41 100%, right?

Tim Dillon 27:42 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 27:42 Which is... By the way, that doesn't work on guys. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:45 Right. No, it doesn't.

Joe Rogan 27:47 It doesn't make, it doesn't make you look better.

Tim Dillon 27:48 It doesn't.

Joe Rogan 27:48 It just makes you look weird.

Tim Dillon 27:49 Well, Pu-

Joe Rogan 27:49 Your face is shiny.

Tim Dillon 27:50 Putin in Russia has different doubles.

Joe Rogan 27:53 He has body doubles.

Tim Dillon 27:53 He has body doubles.

Joe Rogan 27:54 But they 100% can do that.

Tim Dillon 27:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:57 They can do that with makeup. Like, I've seen videos where a person is talking, and it just looks like some weird old man.

Tim Dillon 28:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:03 And they just grab their face and peel it off. Like, there's, the makeup they can do is like Hollywood stuff, like stuff-

Tim Dillon 28:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:09 ... like Rick Baker could do.

Tim Dillon 28:10 Sure.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Like, they have, like, real experts-

Tim Dillon 28:12 No, it's insane. I, I, I did some dumb cameo in a horror movie, and they c- they made my whole head.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 28:18 They just made my head. They molded it. It looks exactly like my head.

Joe Rogan 28:24 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 28:24 And they cut it off.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 28:26 It's, it, the special effects and the ability to do things like that is-

Joe Rogan 28:31 Insane.

Tim Dillon 28:31 ... it's insane.

Joe Rogan 28:32 And they can 3D print things now. They, the, the, the technology is so good, and, and the materials are so good, and these artists are fucking incredible. They can 100% make you look like a totally different person.

Tim Dillon 28:43 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 28:44 And I guarantee you they employ some of those people.

Tim Dillon 28:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Like, if you were gonna have someone, and they were, like, a, a, a CIA undercover person going into a terrorist organization, wouldn't you fucking have them dressed differently?

Tim Dillon 28:57 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 28:57 Wouldn't you have to give them a different face?

Tim Dillon 28:59 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Why wouldn't you do that?

Tim Dillon 29:01 Well, the things that they're doing at DARPA and all of these things are so far from what we n- You know, they had the internet in the '70s, right? They had a version of it. They-

Joe Rogan 29:11 Did you see this new stealth bomber?

Tim Dillon 29:13 No.

Joe Rogan 29:14 Oh, my God. I'll, I'll send this to you, Jimmy. Hold on one second.

Tim Dillon 29:16 So they're d- I mean, they're doing stuff that's far beyond our conception right now.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Yes. They're doing some wild shit that they're telling us about.

Tim Dillon 29:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:24 This is, uh, from the Drinking Bros podcast. I'm gonna send this to you, Jimmy.

Tim Dillon 29:29 And this is our new stealth bomber?

Joe Rogan 29:31 Yeah, this thing's insane.

Tim Dillon 29:32 And, and can you, if you're rich enough, can you rent it out?

Joe Rogan 29:36 Um-

Tim Dillon 29:36 Can you take it up?

Joe Rogan 29:37 Uh, no. I don't think it t- has humans in it.

Tim Dillon 29:40 Damn it.

Joe Rogan 29:41 I think this is one of them jammys where it's only... But it can carry nukes. Did I scare you, Jimmy?

Tim Dillon 29:47 Ooh.

Narrator 29:47 (laughs) You sent me a different link.

Tim Dillon 29:48 It has-

Joe Rogan 29:48 I did send you a different link.

Tim Dillon 29:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:49 I realized it was some Caitlyn Jenner thing. That's why I was sending it. I'm sorry.

Tim Dillon 29:52 Caitlyn Jenner is in a stealth bomber?

Joe Rogan 29:53 Instagram is odd. Like, sometimes it just changes things on-

Tim Dillon 29:56 She can fly, she does fly.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Has... Really?

Tim Dillon 29:58 Caitlyn Jenner flies. She came to my Christmas party in LA and showed everyone her plane.

Joe Rogan 30:02 Wow.

Tim Dillon 30:03 She flies. Every, like, every few days, she flies around.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Whew.

Tim Dillon 30:08 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 30:08 That's a wild hobby.

Tim Dillon 30:09 It's an interesting life.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Yeah, for sure.

Tim Dillon 30:13 It's an interesting one.

Joe Rogan 30:14 Okay. Don't go on your phone when you're up in s- the fucking sky.

Tim Dillon 30:16 I bet she is.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Unless she's on the phone.

Tim Dillon 30:18 I bet Caitlyn Jenner's in that-

Joe Rogan 30:19 Checking, uh-

Tim Dillon 30:19 ... plane on her phone.

Joe Rogan 30:21 Probably checking them likes.

Tim Dillon 30:22 Tweeting about how much she loves Donald Trump.

Joe Rogan 30:25 (laughs) ... because that's what she was telling everybody.

Tim Dillon 30:27 Isn't that wild?

Joe Rogan 30:27 At my party she was going, you know, she goes, "Nobody's patriotic anymore. I love Trump." And everyone's just like, "Great, it's fun." She's a fun archetype of person.

Tim Dillon 30:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 We're at the end-

Tim Dillon 30:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:39 ... of, of-

Tim Dillon 30:40 Time.

Joe Rogan 30:41 ... i- i- time.

Tim Dillon 30:42 Yeah. Check this fucking thing out.

Joe Rogan 30:43 (laughs) This is crazy.

Tim Dillon 30:44 So check this thing out. This thing, it c- it carries, I think, four nukes or six nukes.

Narrator 30:51 There's an animation here. Hold on, let me find that.

Joe Rogan 30:52 This is amazing.

Tim Dillon 30:54 Yeah. And it... But the thing is-

Joe Rogan 30:56 How did the original stealth come out?

Narrator 30:57 What did I send you?

Tim Dillon 30:58 Put the link because I want to play that, because he describes all the things it does in terms of jamming radar. It's crazy what this thing can do.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Was the first stealth in like the '80s or the '90s?

Tim Dillon 31:11 I want to say the '90s. Does that make sense, Jamie?

Narrator 31:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Yeah, play it.

Tim Dillon 31:14 Essentially 100% radar proof. It cannot be detected except for with your eyeballs. This one right here? This one right here. Yeah. Holy shit. Um, it looks sexy as fuck. But that's just the tip of the, the iceberg. So it has, um... It is able to analyze, algorithmically, the enemy's radar package, like how they're able to determine radar. And then it can fucking instantaneously send that information, not, not just radar, but so it can, it can instantaneously, uh, detect the enemy's radar patterns. Um, it can detect all of their, uh, troop placements, their aircraft carrier placements, their submarine placements with ground penetrating radar, and their, uh, uh, uh, their armor placements, and immediately send a graphic of that back to every fucking other friendly force in the, in the, in the work space. Or, I'm sorry, in the battle space, instantaneously. One of these.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 32:11 You can just fly over an area un- undetected. And be like, all right, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Yep.

Tim Dillon 32:17 And this shit starts popping up. Um, it also can carry six fucking nukes.

Joe Rogan 32:21 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 32:23 This aircraft is essentially 100% radar proof.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Jesus.

Tim Dillon 32:27 Well, we need it.

Joe Rogan 32:28 How wild is that?

Tim Dillon 32:29 Well, we need it, you know? We're, we're, we're heading into-

Joe Rogan 32:33 That's wild.

Tim Dillon 32:33 ... perilous times and we need something-

Joe Rogan 32:35 An invisible...

Tim Dillon 32:35 ... that can carry six nukes.

Joe Rogan 32:37 An invisible six nuke drone.

Tim Dillon 32:41 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 32:41 That can detect everything instantaneously.

Tim Dillon 32:44 Yeah. But China's got it, and Russia's got it.

Joe Rogan 32:47 You think they have that?

Tim Dillon 32:48 They have good stuff over there.

Joe Rogan 32:49 I wonder if we have that too though.

Tim Dillon 32:49 That's why we gotta have that, right?

Joe Rogan 32:51 I think that might be the top of the food chain.

Tim Dillon 32:54 We'll see. We'll see.

Joe Rogan 32:55 That might be the test of

Narrator 32:56 ... glad.

Tim Dillon 32:56 Don't count out the Chinese.

Joe Rogan 32:58 I wouldn't count them out, but-

Tim Dillon 32:58 I wouldn't count them out.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Well, they go do a really good job of siphoning information that they do-

Tim Dillon 33:04 Oh, they might have stolen that fucker years ago.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Yeah. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:07 Corporate espionage. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:09 They're so good at that.

Tim Dillon 33:10 China's... Th- they, they're so good at it.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Well, also, we let them in and we let them buy companies.

Tim Dillon 33:14 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:15 Which is wild.

Tim Dillon 33:16 So DeSantis, by the way, which I, I, I think this is good, he's basically... And the real estate lobby's fighting him. He went out in Florida, he's like, "We gotta make it harder for Chinese nationals to just buy property here."

Joe Rogan 33:29 Right.

Tim Dillon 33:30 And then the real estate lobby's like, "Hey man, you're fucking up a good thing."

Joe Rogan 33:34 Yeah. For them.

Tim Dillon 33:34 "We like making money. We like earning commission. We like..." And China's a huge buyer of US real estate. So all these real estate people, the BlackRocks, the, you know, are coming at DeSantis and going, "Hey, we can't have this. You have to let the Chinese play."

Joe Rogan 33:58 It's real weird. You know, like, they're, they can buy l- property, like a certain amount of property here in areas that are like, "Hey, isn't that kind of close to a military base?" Like isn't-

Tim Dillon 34:10 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Isn't that close to like-

Tim Dillon 34:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:12 ... infrastructure? Like what-

Tim Dillon 34:13 Well, they bought, they bought the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City, which is where the president used to stay every time he went-

Joe Rogan 34:19 Ah.

Tim Dillon 34:19 ... to New York. They bought it. Now he stays at the New York Palace.

Joe Rogan 34:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:23 But it was just a fun thing to do. They were like, "Oh, where does the president stay?"

Joe Rogan 34:26 Let's buy that.

Tim Dillon 34:27 "We're gonna own that."

Joe Rogan 34:28 Ah.

Tim Dillon 34:28 And they own it. And they just flipped it to condos. They don't care. So-

Joe Rogan 34:32 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 34:32 The, the thing is, so much of these cities, Miami, New York, LA, even Austin now, a lot of this real estate investment is foreign.

Joe Rogan 34:40 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 34:40 People that are laundering money, washing money-

Joe Rogan 34:42 Yep.

Tim Dillon 34:42 ... hiding money.

Joe Rogan 34:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:44 And that's why the prices of real estate keep going up no matter what happens. Rates go up to 8%, it's still more money.

Joe Rogan 34:52 A friend of mine was telling me about this apartment building he lives in in Manhattan.

Tim Dillon 34:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 That it's just filled with empty apartments.

Tim Dillon 34:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Like super expensive-

Tim Dillon 35:00 A ton of them.

Joe Rogan 35:01 ... empty apartments. And it's just like Russian billionaires buy them up.

Tim Dillon 35:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:05 And...

Tim Dillon 35:05 It's just Russian fertilizer magnets and Chinese amusement park tycoons.

Joe Rogan 35:10 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 35:11 Just weird configurations of humanity.

Joe Rogan 35:13 I wonder what percentage of those giant luxury apartments that are purchased-

Tim Dillon 35:17 Yeah. Oh.

Joe Rogan 35:18 ... are unoccupied.

Tim Dillon 35:19 Tons of them. Tons of them.

Joe Rogan 35:20 It's wild, right?

Tim Dillon 35:21 Tons of them are. And people just stash money there in case the government in their country decides to, to get cute.

Joe Rogan 35:29 Right. They own the real estate.

Tim Dillon 35:31 And I'd love some of that, by the way. And that's what happens. So when you walk around New York City, you look at all these buildings, right?

Joe Rogan 35:38 Cheers.

Tim Dillon 35:38 And here- here's what you see. Cheers. No, you'll see three lights on.

Joe Rogan 35:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 35:43 You'll see three lights on-

Joe Rogan 35:45 That's weird.

Tim Dillon 35:45 ... in this massive billion dollar building.

Joe Rogan 35:48 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 35:49 Cost of construction was a billion dollar. And there's five people home. Where's everybody else?

Joe Rogan 35:55 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 35:56 Where are they? Are they at dinner?

Joe Rogan 35:58 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 35:58 No, it was just scam. It's a vertical money laundering scheme. When I understood... Because I was a tour guide in New York and I used to ask all these questions all the time, I go, "So what, what happens? Do, do Chinese people come here?" And they go, "Well, we love Central Park and they want to live there." And they go, "Yeah, but, you know, they spend maybe a few weeks a year. That's it." Some of them spend nothing. And, and a lot of foreign buyers will not just buy one apartment, they'll buy 10.

Joe Rogan 36:28 ... jeez.

Tim Dillon 36:29 And they'll just stash their money, they'll have a floor of a building. Maybe they'll throw a kid in at NYU and go, "You go become non-binary-

Joe Rogan 36:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:38 ... and disgrace us."

Joe Rogan 36:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:39 "I'm gonna stay home and run a business, you go to New York, become non-binary, have your moment, have your time."

Joe Rogan 36:45 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 36:45 "And we're gonna sit back in China and chill." But a lot of times, these things are completely empty. It's crimi- it's criminal, uh, criminality.

Joe Rogan 36:55 It's wild it's a good method to move money around, though. It's really smart.

Tim Dillon 37:00 Oh, it's really smart, and it's, it's great because real estate is perfect to launder money. You can buy it with a shell corp. You don't have to-

Joe Rogan 37:08 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 37:08 ... buy it under your name.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Right.

Tim Dillon 37:10 You can buy it under the... And by the way, you can disguise that shell corp with 100 other shell corps, so that like nobody's gonna go through. It's like a pad where they'd have to keep flipping pages to find the actual owner of the actual company.

Joe Rogan 37:24 But wasn't this part of the problem with-

Tim Dillon 37:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... the, uh, Ukraine stuff?

Tim Dillon 37:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:30 That, that was part of the problem with Hunter Biden.

Tim Dillon 37:31 I don't know what you mean, but I am agreeing. With Hunter-

Joe Rogan 37:33 No, Hunter Biden, yeah. It's-

Tim Dillon 37:34 In the, the family, there was a bunch of shell corps that were involved in that. Oh, yeah. Well, Hunter Biden's an attorney, number one, and he did some financial investments. But he certainly had a very healthy budget for fun.

Joe Rogan 37:49 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 37:49 And now- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:51 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 37:51 ... he had a budget for extracurricular activities, and where does that come from? It c- it's a slush fund that comes from a lot of shady dealings. This guy had no expertise in energy, he was working at b- he's a consultant for Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company. And now, we've given Ukraine... I don't know what it is, it's an insane amount of money.

Joe Rogan 38:15 I think the last count was, is it $170 billion dollars? Well, how much money have we given to Ukraine?

Tim Dillon 38:22 And it's just interesting that that's the country that our president's son was having his little internship.

Joe Rogan 38:28 It's just a coincidence, dude.

Tim Dillon 38:30 I know.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Sometimes coincidences happen.

Tim Dillon 38:32 But it's, no, we ca- you know what it is? It's like I, I watch the most, the worst people in the world, the people at Beverly Hills who like scream at valets and yell at their nannies, and they're not humanitarians.

Joe Rogan 38:46 Right.

Tim Dillon 38:47 Overnight, they all had Ukrainian flags.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 38:49 It's interesting. They don't care about Darfur, the Sudan, anything going on in Africa. They don't care about any of the problems happening in countries like Yemen, but they all immediately decided, almost overnight, that the only humanitarian crisis worth caring about was the Ukraine.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Well, when baseball season's over-

Tim Dillon 39:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:10 ... we start paying attention to football.

Tim Dillon 39:12 That's what it is?

Joe Rogan 39:12 That's what it is.

Tim Dillon 39:14 That's exactly what it is.

Joe Rogan 39:15 That's what it is.

Tim Dillon 39:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 It's sports for dorks. "Just how much aid has the US sent to Ukraine, um, total $75.4 billion?" I don't think-

Tim Dillon 39:24 I think there's more.

Joe Rogan 39:24 ... I think that's-

Narrator 39:25 I know, I was gonna say more too, but this is a, a few things-

Tim Dillon 39:27 And you know how much of this aid disappears?

Narrator 39:30 ... putting this together.

Joe Rogan 39:30 First of all, isn't it funny that we're saying $75 billion? I think it's more.

Tim Dillon 39:33 I, w- we're like, "It's nothing."

Joe Rogan 39:34 Like, that's a low number.

Tim Dillon 39:34 But how much of this aid disappears off the backs of trucks?

Narrator 39:37 $113 billion there, but-

Joe Rogan 39:38 Oh, it's $113 billion?

Narrator 39:39 ... I don't know, that says past, present, future.

Tim Dillon 39:41 And by the way, you can start looking into how much of it has just e- evaporated, how much of that money's disappeared, where it went.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Well, there was this one story about this one guy who had pilfered off a billion dollars, and they didn't even arrest him, they just made him resign.

Tim Dillon 39:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:56 And I was like, "What is that story about?"

Tim Dillon 39:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:57 Like, I read the headline, I was like, "I'm gonna get to that eventually."

Tim Dillon 40:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:00 Did you r- did you see that story, Jamie?

Tim Dillon 40:03 Whenever you're disbursing money in a war, it's always strange because you have to pay people off.

Joe Rogan 40:08 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 40:08 There's, there's a, it- it's a perfect place for things to disappear money-wise.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Yeah. One of my favorite moments during all this was, uh, The, The New York Times going after Candace Owens.

Tim Dillon 40:18 Oh, sure.

Joe Rogan 40:19 Did you see that?

Tim Dillon 40:19 For what they had reported.

Joe Rogan 40:20 It's, no, she's, they said to her-

Tim Dillon 40:23 It's the best.

Joe Rogan 40:23 ... "What evidence do you have that Ukraine is corrupt?"

Tim Dillon 40:26 Yeah, "Corrupt."

Joe Rogan 40:27 And she said, "Your fucking newspaper."

Tim Dillon 40:29 "Your article," yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:29 And she starts, from just a couple of years ago. Well, it's like-

Tim Dillon 40:33 Well, it's like-

Joe Rogan 40:33 ... it was like 2017 or '18 or something like that.

Tim Dillon 40:35 ... there was a million Vice documentaries about how Ukraine was the home of white nationalism, the thing we were all, you know-

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 40:42 ... supposedly, supposedly this was the greatest threat to human civilization.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Right.

Tim Dillon 40:47 And we were told that every single day. This country, the Ukraine, was a white nationalist country, that did, that had lots of these groups that fomented terror and were, and they were gonna start working with the white nationalist groups in America. And that's what, there was articles written about that, there were documentaries about that. All of that became, went out the window.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Do you remember when-

Tim Dillon 41:10 Right out the window.

Joe Rogan 41:11 ... who was it? Was it Jon Stewart that gave that dude the award and he had a Nazi tattoo?

Tim Dillon 41:14 He gave him a medal. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:15 And he-

Tim Dillon 41:15 And I'm sure Stewart doesn't even know, it's like he, this guy's a hero.

Joe Rogan 41:19 I'm sure he doesn't know.

Tim Dillon 41:19 You, you pin something on him. But they are, listen, they're avowed neo-Nazis in that country. This is, they have SS tattoos.

Joe Rogan 41:28 (sighs)

Tim Dillon 41:28 This is not a conspiracy theory. It's not everybody-

Joe Rogan 41:32 Right.

Tim Dillon 41:32 ... but that Azov Battalion is a huge force, you know? And...

Joe Rogan 41:38 That's so wild.

Tim Dillon 41:39 It's wild. And it's one of the reasons people think Zelenskyy, who was gonna sign those Minsk Accords and end this little civil war issue they had going on in the northern province in, in Donbas, he didn't sign any that people think... And people have, you know, pontificated that either those hardliners in the Ukrainian government and military go, "You sign this, we'll kill you." Like if you s-... Or the US State Department was like, "No, no, no, no, no. You don't sign this. You keep doing what you're doing."

Joe Rogan 42:11 Oh, God.

Tim Dillon 42:12 "And if there is a war, we have your back."

Joe Rogan 42:14 Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 42:15 And this is, this has been... This is a well-known fact, that everybody wanted some type of agreement early, before there was a war, with these northern Russian-speaking regions and the government of Ukraine.... so that there was autonomy to a certain degree, that they could speak the language, that they could have political parties. And I, again, I'm not saying that Russia's like, even though I do, I am spiritually Russian. Someone told me that.

Joe Rogan 42:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 42:42 And I have a Russian aesthetic, but that's not why I'm saying this. I'm just saying, the facts are all there, and we've had this long bloody war in which every time this guy wants to negotiate or thinks about, we go, "Don't. Don't. Keep going. Keep fighting. We got you."

Joe Rogan 43:00 God.

Tim Dillon 43:00 And then, it, you know, Nikki Haley, all these people go, "No, it's civilizational." By the way, nothing's regional. Everything's civilizational. Israel, uh, Palestine, civilizational. It's odd. It's like, but wait a minute, that's been a regional conflict forever, f- since 1946. They go, "No, no, no, it's about our values. It's about our values, so we gotta send them billions of dollars, and we might have to get involved because it's about our value." And you start going, "Wait a minute. It's about our values in northern Ukraine?" So all of these little, and I'm not saying they're little, but all of these conflicts, we can't not get involved. We can't, in some way, we have to be involved. We have to fund them. We have to give weapons because we convince everybody that all of these conflicts are a big battle for the future of civilization, and the next step is Putin's gonna steamroll Vermont. He's coming to Vermont. You let him do what he's doing in the Ukraine? He's gonna steamroll... He's coming to Aspen. You want to see what happens when Russia owns Asp- like...

Joe Rogan 44:07 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 44:07 And nobody thinks logically, like, maybe we like war. Maybe we just like having a constant business.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Maybe Eisenhower was right.

Tim Dillon 44:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:18 When Eisenhower warned people when he was leaving office, I mean, that, that should be required listening to anybody that's confused as to why we're doing certain things.

Tim Dillon 44:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:29 They make, they're making a lot of money right now and if they can keep this rolling...

Tim Dillon 44:34 Yeah. They're making great money and I'm not making any of it from that.

Joe Rogan 44:39 And if you can have some sort of motivation-

Tim Dillon 44:41 Cut me in.

Joe Rogan 44:41 You get some sort of a motivation-

Tim Dillon 44:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:42 ... like you're trying to save civilization-

Tim Dillon 44:44 Oh, always.

Joe Rogan 44:44 ... you can justify so much.

Tim Dillon 44:46 Now notice that when Saudi Arabia is killing Yemenis, it's not civilizational. That's not civilizational. But Ukraine-Russia is, and anything that goes on, uh, in Israel and Palestine is, but when the country of Yemen is being starved out, bombed and killed, with money and weapons from the US to, through Saudi Arabia, that's not civilizational.

Joe Rogan 45:10 No.

Tim Dillon 45:10 That doesn't, that's not civilizational.

Joe Rogan 45:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 45:14 But Nikki Haley's up there like, "Let's fight it, let's go, China, let's go."

Joe Rogan 45:18 Why do you think she's doing that?

Tim Dillon 45:19 Because she wants-

Joe Rogan 45:20 Has she always been that way?

Tim Dillon 45:20 Because she wants the big money, and the big money people like when you get... Well, she's a woman, so she's gotta be tough-tough. "Ban TikTok, I'll kill you."

Joe Rogan 45:29 She wants to ban TikTok?

Tim Dillon 45:30 Oh, ban it.

Joe Rogan 45:31 Whoa.

Tim Dillon 45:31 Ban it, and then we're gonna go there and kick China's ass for making it. "I'm Nikki Haley. I'm tough." And what, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton came out like a, like the running of the bulls, going, "Fuck Putin. We should kill..." Like, Hillary's on record saying some of the most bellicose things ever about what we should be doing with our CIA and with our military. And, and Nikki Haley's basically going out there, going, "The big money likes when you're open to a little conflict."

Joe Rogan 45:59 Mm.

Tim Dillon 46:00 They like that. The Koch brothers types like when you o- leave the door open. You don't have to say we're gonna do it, but leave the door open. All options on the table, that's their favorite word. Their favorite sentence is like, "All, we're leaving all options on the table." It's our val- it's about our values, says Nikki Haley. It's about our values in northern Ukraine. They like, she wants the money. I don't know what Chris Christie's up there talking about. You know, Ozempic or whatever, but he's not getting a dollar. No one's giving him anything.

Joe Rogan 46:32 He's a weird one, like-

Tim Dillon 46:33 All...

Joe Rogan 46:33 ... why is he still doing this?

Tim Dillon 46:33 He's just there to ruin things. Here's what I appreciate about Chris Christie.

Joe Rogan 46:37 No. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 46:37 He exists only to destroy.

Joe Rogan 46:41 (laughs) He's not winning.

Tim Dillon 46:41 He's not trying to build. He cannot win. He's not gonna be elected. He, he's there to kill that Vivek Ramaswamy. He's gonna kill him one day. He's there to just destroy other people. He's not there to succeed and he knows it. And Nikki Haley now is having the big meetings. She's having the big closed door meetings, when they take you up to Monte Rio, California in the Bohemian Grove-

Joe Rogan 47:02 Mm.

Tim Dillon 47:02 ... and they sit you down by the redwood trees and you go, "I like, I like your style. I just like what..." Now, by the way, who the hell is Nikki? No one knows, no one cares. She was the governor of what? What was she the governor of?

Joe Rogan 47:15 South Carolina.

Tim Dillon 47:16 South Carolina.

Joe Rogan 47:16 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 47:16 Great, great, great. But again, none of these people gave a shit back then, right? I think her big thing was when someone climbed to the top of the State House and took away the Confederate flag, she was like, "Well, that's good." I think she didn't do anything, like whatever... She had that moment of like, "Look at me. I'm, I'm the governor and I'm progressive. I'll let people vandalize the Capitol, maybe for its good reason, whatever."

Joe Rogan 47:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:39 Um, but nobody, nobody knew who this bitch was and until she got on stage and started saying, "Hey, I really like... I would love to go to war. I would love to go to war." And then all of a sudden, all the money started going. You know, Nikki Haley, who she's not a particularly engaging or electric, you know, she's fine, but she's not like, uh, she's not like somebody who's like, "Whoa, this is..."

Joe Rogan 48:03 So what do they do? Do they step in and say, "We need better speech writers?" What do they do? Do they say we need some sort of a clear dynamic message that comes from you-

Tim Dillon 48:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:12 ... that's uniquely from a woman's perspective-

Tim Dillon 48:15 Well, she's gonna get Con-

Joe Rogan 48:16 ... that might excite Republicans?

Tim Dillon 48:17 Yeah, the Karl Rove type sit down and go, "We've really lost our way here. We've lost our way because right after 9/11, we were able to sell people on this idea that America had to dominate every corner of the globe."... and we were gonna throw a lot of lives at that, and we were gonna spend a lot of money to do that. And that's what's ultimately gonna make us safer and secure us. And Americans after the Iraq War did not believe that.

Joe Rogan 48:45 No.

Tim Dillon 48:45 The Americans said, "No. We're not, we don't believe that." So then all these neocons became Democrats, all the people that had pushed that war had become Democrats, and they started coming at it from the left and going like, "Well, Russia's, they don't like trans people."

Joe Rogan 48:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 48:59 Did you hear that? They don't like trans people. They don't have a Real Housewives franchise in Russia. Like, they went at it from another way, going like, "We have to confront these countries, these evil people like Vladimir Putin, um, who are irrational, they're not acting in their own self-interest, they're irrational psychopaths that want to dominate the world," even though Putin's never showed any inclination of doing that one time, ever once. But he's gonna.

Joe Rogan 49:27 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 49:27 He want- he's 75 and he may or may not have Parkinson's, but now he's gonna go and dominate the world, even though he can't, he can barely dominate the Ukraine after a year and a half of fighting. Two years. But they go, "No, no, no, he's gonna dominate the whole world." And so the, the whole idea is basically just, like, they have to get back on that thing, because Americans have lost the belief in that. You can't sell that to people anymore. Nobody wants to hear that.

Joe Rogan 49:55 What do you think changed?

Tim Dillon 49:56 The Iraq War. I watched it. I saw it. I was a kid. I was in high school. Friends of mine signed up for the military. RIP to some of them. A lot of them survived. Um, people watched soldiers dying every day. They watched, uh, a lot of people get rich. They watched the ten counties outside of Washington, DC become the most valuable places, you know, the biggest, you know, in terms of like net worth. They looked at all these counties around DC and they're like, "Wait, what?" We're not talking about the Hamptons or Manhattan or Malibu or, or the hill country of the Texas or whatever. We're talking about Virginia. And people watched a lot of people get rich, they watched a lot of corruption, they watched a lot of people die. And then what did we get for it? In Iraq, what did we really get? What did we get in Afghanistan? The Taliban's, they're back. They're back. We left 20 years later with nothing. So then people start going, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 50:59 We didn't just leave. We armed them.

Tim Dillon 51:01 We armed them and then cowered out.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 51:04 And then like ... So watching that, watching that whole process has, I think, disillusioned a lot of people in my generation. I'm 38 and we're looking at all this shit and we're going like, "Dude, nothing you promised us happened."

Joe Rogan 51:19 Right.

Tim Dillon 51:19 We don't feel safer. It doesn't feel like we're safer because we invaded Iraq.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Have you ever ent- entertained the idea that they left behind all that equipment so that the Taliban could become a threat and they would justify going back in again?

Tim Dillon 51:33 Oh, of course, it's a circular thing.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Keep the door open.

Tim Dillon 51:35 It's a circular thing.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Leave all options on the table.

Tim Dillon 51:37 Let's put them on the table. Nikki Haley will be back in there in three months.

Joe Rogan 51:41 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 51:41 She'll go in there, she'll go, "Well, the wi- you know, women, you know, and how women are being treated." 'Cause it's always a tug at your heartstrings-

Joe Rogan 51:47 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 51:47 ...' 'cause we all agree that we shouldn't throw, most of us, we shouldn't throw gay people off the roof and-

Joe Rogan 51:53 Right.

Tim Dillon 51:53 ... we shouldn't stone women. We all agree with that, and that's the things they, they trot out.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 51:59 They go, "You know, the women are being stoned." Meanwhile, they're letting people into America who some of them want to stone women and some of them would throw gay people off the roof. And if you question that, you're a Nazi.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Do you ever see some of the photos of, uh, Kabul from like the 1970s? When it used to look like-

Tim Dillon 52:18 Yeah, it was fucking the spot.

Joe Rogan 52:20 It was amazing.

Tim Dillon 52:21 It was the spot.

Joe Rogan 52:21 People would go there all the time. People took-

Tim Dillon 52:23 Yeah, it was great.

Joe Rogan 52:24 They would take vacations there.

Tim Dillon 52:26 Also Iran-

Joe Rogan 52:27 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:27 ... before the coup.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:28 Was this progressive place.

Joe Rogan 52:30 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:30 And we realized, you know, Briti- the British and the United States, it doesn't, it's, that's not gonna work for us. We'd actually rather them to be these scary...

Joe Rogan 52:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 52:42 Because the dictators will, you know, work with our companies.

Joe Rogan 52:46 That's why that, um, O- Osama bin Laden letter to America-

Tim Dillon 52:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:50 ... just went viral on TikTok.

Tim Dillon 52:51 There's t-

Joe Rogan 52:52 People are like, "Wait a minute, what? What did we do?"

Tim Dillon 52:53 My 12-year-old cousin's in Al-Qaeda now.

Joe Rogan 52:56 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 52:57 He's walking around going, "This motherfucker makes a lot of sense."

Joe Rogan 53:00 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:00 "About a lot of things." But that's the problem, it's like the-

Joe Rogan 53:03 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 53:03 ... problem is like when O- bin Laden did that, we were told the dumbest thing ever. He hated us because of our freedom.

Joe Rogan 53:09 He haters us because of our freedom.

Tim Dillon 53:11 It's our freedom and that we, and that what we needed to do is give people our freedom so that they didn't hate us. It was this Manichaean good and evil thing.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:20 And we bought into, I bought into it. I would ju- I cannot count the amount of parties I was at, coked to my gills-

Joe Rogan 53:26 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:26 ... screaming about the need for the Iraq War.

Joe Rogan 53:29 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:29 I was like, "We're over there," smoking a cigarette, "You don't understand."

Joe Rogan 53:33 Ah!

Tim Dillon 53:33 "We're over there." I was like a fucking, a parrot chick. I was running around Long Island drunk in my car, coked out of my face-

Joe Rogan 53:40 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 53:41 ... screaming and yelling that we needed the surge.

Joe Rogan 53:43 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:44 "We need the surge!" And-

Joe Rogan 53:47 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:50 (laughs) They got me. They got me 'cause I felt good about, I go, I went, "This makes sense. We're America."

Joe Rogan 53:56 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 53:56 "We have freedom."

Joe Rogan 53:57 Right.

Tim Dillon 53:57 "I have freedom to sell subprime mortgages and do cocaine. They should have that."

Joe Rogan 54:01 Right.

Tim Dillon 54:02 "And we need the surge and we need money and we can't give up and we can't stop. And John Kerry's a pussy and he went to Vietnam to just, I don't know, take photos or whatever he did." And I, I g- I totally bought into all of it.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 54:14 I was bought into ... And now I was on a lot of drugs.

Joe Rogan 54:16 You're also young.

Tim Dillon 54:17 I was young and I was-

Joe Rogan 54:18 When you're young, being patriotic like that, like blindly-

Tim Dillon 54:21 Blindly.

Joe Rogan 54:21 ... when you're young is-

Tim Dillon 54:22 Blindly.

Joe Rogan 54:22 ... uh, super common.

Tim Dillon 54:23 I remember this girl goes, and she said something to me, it was one of these girls who was like a little bit more like, you know, not buying into it.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Right.

Tim Dillon 54:34 And then she was like, uh-... she goes, "Do, do you ever think what it would feel like to be in a house and just have your city bombed? Like, I know that you're saying this is all for a good reason, and this is to liberate them, but do you ever think about what it would feel like to just be in a place and then just hear bombs, and then things are shaking and everything?"

Joe Rogan 55:00 Mm.

Tim Dillon 55:01 And, and I was like, "No, no." (laughs) But I was, I... But the things like that will stop you, right?

Joe Rogan 55:08 Mm.

Tim Dillon 55:08 Things like that stop you in your tracks a little bit. You go, "Oh, that would suck."

Joe Rogan 55:12 When Callan was a kid-

Tim Dillon 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 ... he was in Beirut during-

Tim Dillon 55:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:16 ... dur- during the, the bombings when he was a kid.

Tim Dillon 55:19 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 55:20 Yeah. He, he experienced that.

Tim Dillon 55:23 It's inter- 'cause, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 55:24 That pro- that probably fucking sticks with you for like three years.

Tim Dillon 55:26 It sticks with you, for sure.

Joe Rogan 55:27 And watch a building blow up three blocks away. Boom.

Tim Dillon 55:30 Yeah. There's just... Th- this is the thing with Israel and Gaza right now. Like, everyone thinks Israel should and does have the right to respond. Obviously, they have to secure their country, right? They were invaded. We get it. The problem becomes when people are just watching massive civilian casualties all day on TikTok. You know, there's a certain level where people, they lose their tolerance. They go, "This is a lot." And I think in the modern world, people don't have the stomach, and nor should they, to see this level of death and carnage.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Especially from innocent women and children.

Tim Dillon 56:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:10 When you see people being pulled out of the rubble, like babies just blown apart, it's crazy.

Tim Dillon 56:14 It's tough. And two years ago, it was idiots dancing on it in pajamas, and these kids are going, "What happened?"

Joe Rogan 56:19 Jesus Christ.

Tim Dillon 56:19 It used to be Charlie D'Amelio doing the hula hoop. Now it's people being pulled out of the rubble, and kids are like, "What?" So it doesn't work anymore. Like, this type of all-out conflict, it doesn't work. And I'm, I'm... And I, uh, appreciate Israel's position because it's a tough position to be in.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 56:40 That being said, it's not gonna work. If we had TikTok when we were in Fallujah, it would have been crazy.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Oh, my God.

Tim Dillon 56:47 None of it, all these-

Joe Rogan 56:48 Well, just look at the v- the pic- the-

Tim Dillon 56:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 ... the stuff that got out about the b- the... What is it called? Which prison? Zagreb, which was it?

Tim Dillon 56:55 Abu Ghraib.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Abu Ghraib.

Tim Dillon 56:56 Abu Ghraib.

Joe Rogan 56:57 Abu Ghraib.

Tim Dillon 56:57 Abu Ghraib.

Joe Rogan 56:57 With the fucking dogs?

Tim Dillon 56:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:59 The shit they were doing to people.

Tim Dillon 57:00 That cigarette smoking girl, Lindy England-

Joe Rogan 57:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 57:02 ... who now, by the way, works at a strawberry festival. I found that out-

Joe Rogan 57:05 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:05 ... on my podcast. I swear to God. Lindy England, the cigarette, chain-smoking-cigarette girl who tortured those guys at Abu Ghraib literally was one of the, like, sponsors of a strawberry festival. I forget where.

Joe Rogan 57:17 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:17 But it's... You gets... It's absolutely true and you can check it and, and it's amazing. And I thought, you know, everybody has a second act in this country, by the way.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Mm.

Tim Dillon 57:27 Everybody.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 57:28 Doesn't really matter what you've done. Everyone has a second act. OJ's on his third act.

Joe Rogan 57:34 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:35 Trump's on his third or fifth, sixth act, seventh act. Everyone has a second act.

Joe Rogan 57:40 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:40 If you're still on the planet in this country... That's the thing about Russia. They had to kill that guy Prigozhin. You don't get a second act there.

Joe Rogan 57:47 No.

Tim Dillon 57:48 That's not the way it is. They don't have the mechanism. They can't give him a reality show.

Joe Rogan 57:52 That- (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:52 Prigozhin doesn't get a game show. They gotta blow him out of the sky. In America, like, Hollywood would love Trump. Now, if Trump goes, "I'm not gonna run for president, I just wanna do a big show," they would build him a fake White House in Burbank-

Joe Rogan 58:03 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 58:06 ... tonight, and let him do... And they would all... They'd give him Emmys. They'd pretend it was all good. They'd hug him. It wouldn't matter as long as he doesn't do the thing they don't want him to do.

Joe Rogan 58:17 I don't think that's true. I don't think he ever comes back. I don't think they ever let you back in-

Tim Dillon 58:21 Well, no, no, no. He, he-

Joe Rogan 58:21 ... once they decide you're Hitler.

Tim Dillon 58:22 ... just said, "I'm not going." Well, literally, we got George W. Bush, Ellen's hugging him going, "We love him."

Joe Rogan 58:29 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 58:29 And then people are going, "He wasn't that bad." He was much worse president than Trump.

Joe Rogan 58:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 58:33 Did much worse to America. But I think if Trump just said, "I'm abandoning politics," Hollywood be there in two seconds because they don't have any morals. They're amoral. That's the thing about Hollywood. They don't care. They're only thinking about what can make them money and what will get them in trouble the least.

Joe Rogan 58:49 But don't you think that in this day and age, being moral, or at least, like, signaling that you're moral is an important part of Hollywood that didn't exist before?

Tim Dillon 58:59 It, it can be, and it is to a certain degree. But they all know Trump is a fucking massive train of money. They all know he's a train of money и if he just said, "Listen, I'm not... I don't want to be the president anymore. I want to host a game show," there are people that... Ted Sarandos is calling him и anyone that says shit about Te-... Like, he would go, "Hey, what? Do you want him to be president? I gave him a show."

Joe Rogan 59:27 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 59:27 "What are you, nuts?" He'd be in his Malibu house screaming like, "I gave Trump a show." So I, I do think that there's a way back in. They just... They don't want him to be the president.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 59:37 But they don't-

Joe Rogan 59:38 But he wants to be the president.

Tim Dillon 59:39 And he's gonna probably be the president.

Joe Rogan 59:41 If he's probably... If they don't kill him.

Tim Dillon 59:42 He's gonna be the pres. It's gonna feel interesting when he's inaugurated 'cause it'll feel like we're living in a loop.

Joe Rogan 59:48 How far do you think they would go to stop it? 'Cause it's really wild watching him being prosecuted, right?

Tim Dillon 59:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:54 It's really wild.

Tim Dillon 59:55 I know. For inflating the price of a condo, it's the dumbest thing ever.

Joe Rogan 59:58 It's weird.

Tim Dillon 59:59 They were like, "He's an asset of Russia." And now they're like... Now it's, it's totally switched-

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:00:04 ... to where they're like, "He said it had six bedrooms. It has five." It's like, guys, this wasn't what we were told.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:00:10 We, we were told he was an asset of Russia и then they switched-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:00:13 ... it up immediately to go, "Oh, he inflated the price of his real estate." By the way, everyone does that. Everyone does that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:00:18 E- if somebody's appraising your house, you walk up at the end and go, "You saw the basement, right?" That's woodwork that I did. Everyone does that. He does it on a grand scale because he's... has more money and more properties.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:00:31 But the idea that that's what we're getting him for, it's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 It's weird.

Tim Dillon 1:00:36 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Because if this keeps going, like, how far will they take it? Like, if he keeps getting bigger иcause it seems like, at least in public perception-... the- the more they come after him, the bigger he gets.

Tim Dillon 1:00:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 'Cause the more people realize the game.

Tim Dillon 1:00:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 They're like, "Oh my God, this is like banana republic shit." You're prosecuting your political opponents.

Tim Dillon 1:00:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 And you're doing it specifically to time the trials around, like, Republican conventions, primaries, all these different... You're doing it on purpose.

Tim Dillon 1:01:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 It's pretty clear.

Tim Dillon 1:01:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 So, everyone's, like, more and more supportive of him than ever.

Tim Dillon 1:01:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 So, how far will they go? And how far can they go?

Tim Dillon 1:01:09 I don't know. I think he'll run the joint from the can. I think he'll-

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:01:13 I think he'll run the country from prison. I mean, I think he'll run it from a federal prison. I mean, it might get to the point where-

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Is that possible?

Tim Dillon 1:01:20 ... we have the first mafia president where he's in federal prison-

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:01:23 ... in Palm Beach, and he's running the country.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Yeah, is that, is that possible?

Tim Dillon 1:01:27 I don't think they'll kill him. I don't think they kill anyone anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:01:31 I don't think they kill anyone anymore. They don't seem to. They're torturing Assange. They'll bleed you out slowly.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 The Assange thing is wild.

Tim Dillon 1:01:40 But they don't seem to be killing anyone anymore the way... They used to kill everyone. MLK, JFK-

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:01:45 ... RFK, everyone died. But now, they're not killing people nearly as much.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 There's a few people-

Tim Dillon 1:01:53 People disappear a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 ... who are connected to the Epstein case.

Tim Dillon 1:01:56 They go. They go.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 They had to go.

Tim Dillon 1:01:58 They absolutely go.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 A few of those guys went.

Tim Dillon 1:02:00 I take this off, I think I'm allergic to it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 (laughs) That one guy-

Tim Dillon 1:02:03 I mean, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 The one guy that, uh-

Tim Dillon 1:02:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 ... 30 miles from his house. He hung himself-

Tim Dillon 1:02:07 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 ... with an electric cord and then shot himself in the chest with a shotgun.

Tim Dillon 1:02:10 That's right. Or, there was a guy-

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 That was.

Tim Dillon 1:02:12 ... in Palm Beach. They found him in his pool.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:16 Epstein friend, he was in a pool.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 There's a few of those.

Tim Dillon 1:02:18 Well, they gotta tie up the loose ends.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 There's a few of those loose ends that have to be tied up.

Tim Dillon 1:02:22 Oh, they gotta tie up those loose ends.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 Yeah, there's a few of those.

Tim Dillon 1:02:24 Without a doubt. Without a doubt, they tied them up.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 Few of those (soft thump) seem to get judged.

Tim Dillon 1:02:28 But they don't go after the big guys anymore. They used to go after the big guys all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:02:33 They don't seem to do that. They're, they have this prosecutor now, Jack Smith? Jack something? They always have a guy they love.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:02:44 It was, uh, who was it? It was Mueller. Mueller, and then there was another guy. Everybody's, i- i- it's like he's the white knight. "Yeah, this guy now. Jack Smith is the guy." See everybody's put, they all put their hope in Jack Smith. They had put their hope in-

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 This is Trump's attorney?

Tim Dillon 1:02:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:03:04 The whole thing-

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 No, this is not Trump's attorney. This is the guy who's going at Trump. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Tim Dillon 1:03:08 He's the special counsel.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Oh, so this is the guy that's trying to prosecute Trump.

Tim Dillon 1:03:13 And they're basically saying, like, you know, he, this is the one. He's got it. But we've heard this for t- fucking forever.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 Yeah, it's like, it's hard when you see the amount of crime that people are getting away with-

Tim Dillon 1:03:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 ... on the streets. And then you see this disproportionate thing, like, you're trying to put someone in a cage for what?

Tim Dillon 1:03:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 And you're releasing people when they just-

Tim Dillon 1:03:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 ... storm-

Tim Dillon 1:03:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 ... into Nordstrom's-

Tim Dillon 1:03:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 ... and just run out with racks of clothes and smash-

Tim Dillon 1:03:43 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 And people justifying that, and you're- you're making laws so you can't prosecute someone for stealing less than a certain amount. Like, what are you talking about? Like, and y-

Tim Dillon 1:03:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 ... and you're gonna go after that guy? For what? Like, what, are we... What is our goal? Is our goal a safer world? (laughs) Is our goal-

Tim Dillon 1:03:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 ... a place where businesses can thrive?

Tim Dillon 1:04:00 Well, you want to be protected from Donald Trump's inflated condo price.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:04:05 That-

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 I mean, it's so crazy that the two things exist in the same country-

Tim Dillon 1:04:08 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 ... simultaneously.

Tim Dillon 1:04:09 Well, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Erosion. Erosion of law and order.

Tim Dillon 1:04:12 If you talk to anyone in California, everybody knows somebody whose house has been robbed.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:04:17 Home invasion.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:04:18 Everybody knows somebody.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Scary shit.

Tim Dillon 1:04:20 Scary shit.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 It's scary shit-

Tim Dillon 1:04:22 People-

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 ... and yet-

Tim Dillon 1:04:23 ... you know.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 ... and yet, they're not concentrating on that at all.

Tim Dillon 1:04:25 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 You know, like, in New York City, there's been a giant wave of crime-

Tim Dillon 1:04:28 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 ... and they're prosecuting Trump for this. Meanwhile, they also, they have this insane thing where they're a sanctuary city. So, they have to take in all these immigrants.

Tim Dillon 1:04:36 But the president's son, and everyone keeps talking about this, they go, "Well, he's being... It's a political witch hunt." And I'm like, "He has videos of himself smoking crack with Ukrainian hookers with gun to their heads."

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:04:52 The guy lives in Malibu and he has art shows in SoHo. It, he's doing okay. Like, anyone's life's ruined with one of the videos on his laptop. Anyone.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 Th- they've done a remarkable job of minimizing the impact-

Tim Dillon 1:05:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 ... of that laptop.

Tim Dillon 1:05:06 They go, "So what?" Yeah, he's, he had his problems.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 It's amazing.

Tim Dillon 1:05:10 They go, "He had his problems." "What? Wait, you have no compassion for addicts?" I'm like, "He's in the Ukraine with a gun to a hooker's head, smoking crack with a job his father got him." You don't have compassion for addicts. It's a little different. It's slightly different. Can we admit that?

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 Well, it's also much different if we can find out that Joe Biden was involved.

Tim Dillon 1:05:39 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 And-

Tim Dillon 1:05:40 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 ... the idea that he wasn't involved seems more unlikely.

Tim Dillon 1:05:44 Seems odd.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Seems weird.

Tim Dillon 1:05:46 Odd.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Do they-

Tim Dillon 1:05:47 That they would just bring in Hunter.

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 It seems like they had conversations too.

Tim Dillon 1:05:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 And it seems like he said that they didn't.

Tim Dillon 1:05:53 It's a tough family, the Bidens.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 But it's... just imagine-

Tim Dillon 1:05:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 ... if that was Trump.

Tim Dillon 1:05:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 Just imagine the- the overall media coverage of it.

Tim Dillon 1:06:02 It would be-

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 Imagine how-

Tim Dillon 1:06:03 ... insane.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 ... insane it would be if Donald Trump Jr.-

Tim Dillon 1:06:05 Well, if Donald Trump was like, "We should support the Ukraine," that everyone in the media in this country would go, "Fuck the Ukraine."

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Right. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:06:12 Like, anything he said-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:06:15 ... they just, it's, they run the other way.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 But how crazy must it be for people like the CNN people that realized their greatest profits when they were having Donald Trump on every day?

Tim Dillon 1:06:23 Well, that's why they want him back.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 But they probably helped him get elected.

Tim Dillon 1:06:26 That's why I think they ultimately want him back.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:06:29 They ultimately kind of want him back.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 For business.

Tim Dillon 1:06:31 They've kind of engineered his comeback, to a degree. Um, Bill Burr made a point, he was like, he was on the casino circuit, and then everybody started indicting him and talking about him, and now he's back. They like him. They love him. He was a creature of Hollywood and the media before he was a politician.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:06:46 They did create him, and I think he's...... he's certainly not bad for business.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 It's just wild how they turned.

Tim Dillon 1:06:55 Well, it's just wild to live in a time when we feel like we're almost in a, in an actual loop-

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:00 ... where you go, "It's gonna be the same people."

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Over and over again.

Tim Dillon 1:07:04 Over and over again.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 The Bushes, the Clintons. Chelsea Clinton running for president in 2029.

Tim Dillon 1:07:09 You know? And it's just gonna be the same things, and that's why you check-

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:11 That's why my dad is so checked out now, and I used to think like, "Oh, he should learn more about st- or he should..." And now I've realized he's, like, maybe the wisest person I know. 'Cause his whole response... Like at Thanksgiving someone goes, "What do you think about this, uh, Israel thing in the Gaza?" And he goes, "Not cool," and just kept eating.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:07:31 And I went that's his lev- Like he's got two or three words.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:07:35 For any global event, my father has, at maximum, four words to describe it. It's usually like, "That's not good," and then he keeps eating. And I'm like, "Maybe that's the, the move." I used to say that... I used to ridicule that. I used to go, "He's really out of touch," but now I'm like, "Oh, he's li- lived through Vietnam and-"

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:07:56 ... first Iraq War, the second Iraq War, Afghanistan, Iran-Contra, the president getting his dick sucked. You know? Obama, Trump. Like, I think eventually you just... you, you kind of just toss it. You toss it in.

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 Well, you decide that you're not gonna get involved.

Tim Dillon 1:08:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:15 And you're just gonna try to enjoy your life. That's just-

Tim Dillon 1:08:17 It's these young kids on TikTok now that scream about poli- They just yell about polit- Like, there's a whole group of young kids who yell into their phone about politics. You see them, like... There's two kids who, like, love Biden and they're-

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:08:31 And I had them on my show, and they just... They go, "We love Joe... I love Joe Biden."

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 You had them on your show?

Tim Dillon 1:08:36 I had them on my show.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 Ooh, that's wild.

Tim Dillon 1:08:37 And they tr- They tr- You know the kids that you... What do they know about anything?

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Did you get through to them at all?

Tim Dillon 1:08:42 No.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 (laughs) Was there fun?

Tim Dillon 1:08:44 I don't get through to people.

Joe Rogan 1:08:45 Was it fun at all? (laughs) You get through to me.

Tim Dillon 1:08:47 I get through to you. There's a few people I get through to.

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 Was it fun?

Tim Dillon 1:08:50 They were cool kids because... But they're insane.

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:08:54 They're insane.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 Did you... But did you have any good points that they had to address?

Tim Dillon 1:08:58 Yeah, for sure. You know, but they don't... That level, when you were a kid or, uh, uh, whatever you are. They're, uh, they're not kids either. They're like young adults, but that level of certainty that you have about the world-

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:09:13 ... you never see the world more clearer than when you're like 20. You know at 20 why everyone's a loser-

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:09:20 ... why everyone's a winner, what's wrong and what's right. And so now we have an app where you can go on it and scream in the app and tell everybody all the things you've figured out in 10 years of summer camp or whatever, and what they, they... You know. But what it really is, is you've never... you haven't lived long enough to have any of your ideas challenged in any real way.

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 Right. You're also... Your brain's not fully formed yet.

Tim Dillon 1:09:48 Your brain's not formed, and you want attention.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 And you're in the middle of this weird culture shift where people are, like, getting rewarded for s- yelling about politics-

Tim Dillon 1:09:58 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:58 ... on TikTok publicly where-

Tim Dillon 1:10:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 ... you would normally just kind of do with your friends like you did over the Iraq War-

Tim Dillon 1:10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:04 ... coked up with a cigarette.

Tim Dillon 1:10:05 If I had had TikTok-

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:10:07 ... back then, oh my god. If I had TikTok back then... I was a guy where I was... I would go over to my friends' houses. I would hang out with their parents until, like... They, they would be working, like, shit little jobs. This would be like the end of high school, beginning of college. And I would sit there with their parents, and we'd... they would make martinis and we would drink gin and we'd watch The O'Reilly Factor.

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 1:10:30 And we would smoke cigarettes in the backyard. And this was like... You know, if I had TikTok at that point, it would've just been this sweaty, disheveled coke head screaming about how Donald Rumsfeld needs our support 'cause that was... You know? I was like, "He waits and you're not American if you don't..." And that's i- I just think about myself. I was like, "Fuck, I couldn't have been more wrong." So I look at these kids who now have, like, the technology to broadcast every thought they've ever... that they think they're having. And I'm like, "You're gonna look back on that and go i- That was so cringe."

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:11:06 When I was like doing Biden youth and screaming about the importance of Biden and how great he was. Even if you believe in Biden or think he's good or whatever, the way that they do it, they're gonna look back on it and they're gonna go, "Oh, I was caught up in something." 'Cause that's what I feel. I go, "I was caught up." I didn't really... I read a few books that I didn't understand and I went all around Long Island screaming about the need to democratize the Middle East.

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 Ugh. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:11:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 There's something about doing that on Long Island.

Tim Dillon 1:11:44 Oh, it's amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 It's so classic.

Tim Dillon 1:11:46 It was great, and it was like... I remember being in the car with people, "You wanna fight him here? You wanna fight him here? Yeah." Every talking point that was given to me I completely now realize sounds ridiculous. And I look at these young people and I'm like, "I'm not saying don't be passionate about things. I'm just saying, like, live a little."

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 Yeah. Also-

Tim Dillon 1:12:10 Or wait a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 Y- It's hard to realize why you're captured in, like, a way of thinking-

Tim Dillon 1:12:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:15 ... while, while it's... while you're in the middle of it and all your friends are in the middle of it and everybody's in the middle of it.

Tim Dillon 1:12:20 See, what, what... At least back then you didn't have social media so it's like I wasn't doing it to be famous. I was doing it 'cause I was a genuinely, fuck, a lunatic.

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:12:28 I was a genuine fucking lunatic. Now these kids go, "Oh, there's clout. I can make money."

Joe Rogan 1:12:34 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:12:34 "I have followers."

Joe Rogan 1:12:35 Ooh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:12:35 Back then I was like, "No, no, no. I got a backyard, I got a bottle of vodka, I got a pack of cigarettes, let's go."

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 But you know what's ironic?

Tim Dillon 1:12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:44 If you were on TikTok and there was all these other people doing it at the same time, if TikTok existed back when you were a kid, you would still rise to the top.

Tim Dillon 1:12:56 ... yeah, well, I like to think so.

Joe Rogan 1:12:58 Yeah, you would 100%.

Tim Dillon 1:12:58 I'd like to think so.

Joe Rogan 1:12:59 You would 100%. 'Cause a lot of this people getting attention that are mediocre, it's just a-

Tim Dillon 1:13:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 ... a lack of other content that's available.

Tim Dillon 1:13:07 No, I would like to think so. I would like to think that there'd be people being like, "Do you watch that guy?"

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 They'll be like, "He's the guy."

Tim Dillon 1:13:12 "That fat, closeted, uh, gay cocaine addict-"

Joe Rogan 1:13:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:13:17 "... (laughs) who talks about why we need to do the Iraq War? He's good." Who knows? I mean...

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 You would be a Fox News consultant.

Tim Dillon 1:13:23 I could go to Lachlan Murdoch right now-

Joe Rogan 1:13:25 You would ha- if they made-

Tim Dillon 1:13:26 ... and say, "Give me 20 million, dummy."

Joe Rogan 1:13:27 Imagine if Fox decided to go Wild West, and they had, like, an online, like, wild right wing, swear all the time-

Tim Dillon 1:13:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:37 ... talk about whatever the fuck you want to.

Tim Dillon 1:13:39 Right. That-

Joe Rogan 1:13:40 That would-

Tim Dillon 1:13:40 If I, I, I w-

Joe Rogan 1:13:41 ... get a lot of the young guys in.

Tim Dillon 1:13:43 It would, uh... Listen, if I... I'd be the oldest person on TikTok. If Fox News did a TikTok show with me-

Joe Rogan 1:13:50 Oh, my God.

Tim Dillon 1:13:50 ... and it was just me screaming at these kids.

Joe Rogan 1:13:52 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:13:52 And, you know, they're all, like, young, young guys who... They all have a boy band aesthetic.

Joe Rogan 1:14:00 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:14:00 And they're kinda like, they're also trying to get girls as they talk about politics.

Joe Rogan 1:14:03 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:14:04 So it's the weirdest thing. They're like, you know, they're like looking in the camera. They're like, "You know, like, d- like, healthcare, like, you have that abortion. Yeah." You know, which is lovely. I mean, I'm, I'm not anti-abortion, but it's so funny to see this... E- everything's conflated with everything else.

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:14:19 So it's like y- y- y- they're out there trying to get pussy, trying to make money, trying to be famous-

Joe Rogan 1:14:25 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:14:25 ... and also trying to be right. And by the way, a few of those things have to get sacrificed.

Joe Rogan 1:14:29 Duh.

Tim Dillon 1:14:30 The people that I've known where I'm like, "God, you're right," a lot of them are not rolling in dough.

Joe Rogan 1:14:35 Right.

Tim Dillon 1:14:35 A lot of those journalists who are like, "right" about stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:14:38 ... or they're- they even care about the idea that there is a right, they're not rolling in dough.

Joe Rogan 1:14:43 They get Substacks.

Tim Dillon 1:14:45 They get Substacks. You'll read them.

Joe Rogan 1:14:46 They're doing better now. Like, Substack's-

Tim Dillon 1:14:47 They're doing better now.

Joe Rogan 1:14:48 ... pretty profitable.

Tim Dillon 1:14:48 They're doing better now.

Joe Rogan 1:14:49 Right?

Tim Dillon 1:14:49 The Greenwalds, people like that.

Joe Rogan 1:14:50 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:14:50 Taibbi, absolutely. They're doing a lot better now.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 And you can fucking trust them. Goddamn, it's hard to trust. It's h- it's hard to know what the fuck you're reading, what the m- motivation is behind it.

Tim Dillon 1:15:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:15:02 Like, more-

Tim Dillon 1:15:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:03 ... than ever before. You want some more of this?

Tim Dillon 1:15:05 No, I'm good. Thank you, buddy.

Joe Rogan 1:15:07 More than ever before. I mean, so many times I'm reading things, I'm like, "Where, what, what's the fucking motivation behind it? What's the true story?"

Tim Dillon 1:15:13 When I came up in the world in understanding, trying to understand this stuff, there was... Cable news dominated the discourse.

Joe Rogan 1:15:22 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:15:22 So it was just the three networks, the big three, co- the papers, the, The Times, Journal, The Washington Post, whatever. But then it was cable news. So it was MSNBC, Fox News, CNBC to a much lesser degree, CNN even to a much, you know, lesser degree. But it was Fox and MSNBC were the ones that were really propaganda factories.

Joe Rogan 1:15:45 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:15:45 Fox was the right, MSNBC was the left. And that's what you had.