Joe Rogan Experience #2095 - Moshe Kasher

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Moshe Kasher 0:12 Oh. Oh, we rolling? Hi.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Yeah. Let's roll. Yeah, they just wanna start the, save the universe, and then they wanna fuck everyone's wife.

Moshe Kasher 0:18 Oh, yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Yeah. It's-

Moshe Kasher 0:19 It, it always begins, yeah, yeah. The, the dimensional portal will open and then it ends with, "You can't fuck your wife anymore, but guess who can?"

Joe Rogan 0:25 Yeah. What happens is, first they start stockpiling guns.

Moshe Kasher 0:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Yeah. It seems like c- cult leaders have to have guns 'cause their faith in their ability to see the universe and all the good and everything is n- not quite good enough. You need an AR.

Moshe Kasher 0:42 You need an AR to really get your point across.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Quite, quite a few. You need maybe some flash grenades and... (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 0:46 I mean, it is interesting. It doesn't feel like... It feels like I wouldn't do that.

Joe Rogan 0:51 If you were running a cult?

Moshe Kasher 0:52 Well, I wouldn't fuck your wife and make you, like, worship me. I would just-

Joe Rogan 0:56 Well, you're a very nice guy, Marshall.

Moshe Kasher 0:57 I'm one of the nicest guys in America.

Joe Rogan 0:59 You're a very nice guy.

Moshe Kasher 1:00 (laughs) I, I, why is it-

Joe Rogan 1:01 I d- I don't, I don't know anyone who doesn't like you, by the way.

Moshe Kasher 1:03 Is that true?

Joe Rogan 1:03 Yes. I've never met anybody like, "That guy's a dick."

Moshe Kasher 1:06 Oh, that's really cool.

Joe Rogan 1:06 No one.

Moshe Kasher 1:07 I love that.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Everybody likes you. You're a nice guy.

Moshe Kasher 1:09 I like... Thank you. Tha- you're a nice guy too.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Thank you.

Moshe Kasher 1:11 Yeah. I- I- I have made that a mark on my life. I wanna be a good guy.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yes. It's a good thing to do. I try real- I work at it really hard.

Moshe Kasher 1:20 Well, b- you see people, by the way, and you see that they've made a decision. Like, I've met-

Joe Rogan 1:24 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:25 Like, I met Sting, and I go, "Okay. Sting, at some point along the line, decided, 'I'm gonna be, like, awesome.'"

Joe Rogan 1:30 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:30 "That's gonna be my thing."

Joe Rogan 1:31 "I'm gonna do yoga every day."

Moshe Kasher 1:33 "Yeah, I'm gonna cum forever." And-

Joe Rogan 1:34 But he doesn't come.

Moshe Kasher 1:35 Right, he doesn't come.

Joe Rogan 1:36 He holds his cum.

Moshe Kasher 1:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37 He's like one of these guys.

Moshe Kasher 1:39 No. What I'm saying is he was so nice when I met him that he released.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Oh, wow. Interesting.

Moshe Kasher 1:43 Yeah. I have it in-

Joe Rogan 1:44 So sweet. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 1:45 I have it at home on my, in my office. It's a little jar of Sting cum.

Joe Rogan 1:47 When he goes, he probably really goes. I mean...

Moshe Kasher 1:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:50 I think... What is the, the deal with that tantric-

Moshe Kasher 1:52 That's why he says, "Don't stand so close to me."

Joe Rogan 1:54 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 1:54 'Cause he blasts you away.

Joe Rogan 1:55 The tantric thing, they're supposed to have an internal orgasm? Like, they're supposed to absorb it-

Moshe Kasher 2:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:00 ... internally?

Moshe Kasher 2:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:01 I've never... I'm too lazy.

Moshe Kasher 2:03 Well, it takes time.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 2:05 You have to, like, discipline yourself, and then you can come forever, I guess. You know-

Joe Rogan 2:09 It seems like you're thinking about your come too much to be-

Moshe Kasher 2:11 That does seem like a-

Joe Rogan 2:12 ... spending so much time doing that.

Moshe Kasher 2:13 ... a lot of time focused on come.

Joe Rogan 2:15 I mean, there's probably a benefit in it, but every benefit that you get off of something that's a difficult endeavor is a detriment to something else.

Moshe Kasher 2:23 What do you think the detriment... Oh, it's just your mental energy.

Joe Rogan 2:25 Just the amount of your time you're thinking about your jizz.

Moshe Kasher 2:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:28 Like, it's fucking weird. I mean, it's like, you know... I mean, I guess you could say that about a lot of things though, right? You could say that about, like, people who body-build. You could say that about, y- you know, maybe you're thinking too much about one thing.

Moshe Kasher 2:43 Well, I guess that's a kind of... In a way, that's what this, this book that I just wrote is a- is about. It's about these, like, little-

Joe Rogan 2:49 Show me your book.

Moshe Kasher 2:49 ... these little uni-

Joe Rogan 2:50 You wrote a book, dude. Congratulations.

Moshe Kasher 2:52 Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 2:52 I've always very, um, uh, very impressed and also very, very, like, proud of people who write books. 'Cause I know this is a, this is a fucking task, man.

Moshe Kasher 3:03 It's an endeavor, but it's one that I like. A lot of stand-ups really don't like it, and they feel like it's homework. I, like, I... On stage, I do a, a lot of crowd work. That's kind of my thing. And this is the, like, creative opposite of crowd work.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Mm.

Moshe Kasher 3:16 It's, it's not just your material. It's like-

Joe Rogan 3:18 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 3:19 It's, like, mega your material. It's like you're, you're, you're, you're a monk kind of creating a thing or whatever.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Mm.

Moshe Kasher 3:24 Like, you should write a book.

Joe Rogan 3:26 I have thought about it many times, and I had a deal to write one once. But as I was writing it, they were trying to get me to write it like stand-up. And they wanted me to write it in a way that, like, was funny like you'd be on stage. Like, "How much laughs would you want per minute on stage?" Which I kinda don't really think about even stand-up that much. I just try to... I cut out the bullshit. I edit things. You know, the economy of words with bits. But I don't think, like, how many laughs I have per minute. They were, like, very specific about it. And then they said, "How about this? Why don't you just transcribe your stand-up?" And I was like, "Listen. I have a very different idea of what I wanna write than you do, so I'm gonna give you your money back."

Moshe Kasher 4:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:07 I gave 'em, I gave 'em the money back, and I said, um, "I'm just gonna... If I'm gonna write something, I'm gonna write it on my own." And I did for a little while, and then I stopped. But it was... A lot of it... It was just like, I only have so much time to write, and I would rather write about ideas that I'm gonna do on stage. But I do have an idea about my ti-... I've been working on it a little bit lately, so I'm thinking about actually going forward with this. It's about, uh, my time when I was in my really early 20s, and I discovered pool halls.

Moshe Kasher 4:33 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 4:34 I saw the two pool tables. I didn't know you were a big pool guy.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Yeah, I'm obsessed.

Moshe Kasher 4:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Yeah. If I'm not... If I'm like, for, like, my empty my brain time, I watch professional pool matches.

Moshe Kasher 4:43 Is that right?

Joe Rogan 4:44 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 4:44 Oh, interesting. You like those tricks?

Joe Rogan 4:46 A lot of my wi-... I, I watch 'em when... No, no. I hate trick shots.

Moshe Kasher 4:47 That's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 4:48 That's bullshit.

Moshe Kasher 4:48 Okay. Th- that's what I was gonna say.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Hey, you're setting that up. Oh, it's cool. It's cool that-

Moshe Kasher 4:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:51 ... you can do it, but I don't care.

Moshe Kasher 4:53 Do you like, um, that, The Hustler?

Joe Rogan 4:55 Y- oh, it's a great movie.

Moshe Kasher 4:56 That's a good movie.

Joe Rogan 4:56 That's a great movie. That's a great movie just as a movie, you know? The Col- The Color of Money is as well. But the-

Moshe Kasher 5:02 Aren't they connected?

Joe Rogan 5:02 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 5:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:03 Same guy, Walter Tevis, who also wrote The Queen's Gambit about that, uh-

Moshe Kasher 5:08 Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 5:08 ... amazing chess player. She was-

Moshe Kasher 5:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:10 ... uh, an orphan.

Moshe Kasher 5:11 That's right.

Joe Rogan 5:11 And, yeah. That's a great m- series. That series is really good. But that Walter Tevis guy was amazing. He wrote... The Hustler's really, like, a psychological drama as much as it is about pool.

Moshe Kasher 5:22 Yeah. I, I reme-... I saw it a long time ago. I don't, I don't-

Joe Rogan 5:24 (sniffs)

Moshe Kasher 5:24 ... quite remember it, but I remember it, that it's great.

Joe Rogan 5:26 Yeah. Oh, it's fu-... I fucking... I could literally say every word by heart. At this pool hall that I used to hang around at, in, uh, White Plains, New York, they used to play it on the television all the time.

Moshe Kasher 5:37 In the pool hall?

Joe Rogan 5:38 In the pool hall, yeah. My friend Steve, who was the, the, uh, the guy who ran the desk, who, you know, ran, you know, d- administered, gave people the balls, assigned your tables and stuff, um, he used to just put that motherfucker on, like, every time we were there. Would never get enough of that.

Moshe Kasher 5:54 So what w- what was your thing? You go into the pool halls when you were... How old were you?

Joe Rogan 5:57 Well, I was, like, 20... When I really started playing, I think I was, like, 23 or 24, somewhere around then. And, uh, it was just my- me and my friend John, who is also a comic. We, we went into this pool hall just for fun. And, you know, we were just bored during the day. "Well, let's go play pool." Neither one of us knew how to play pool. We were terrible. You know, like, we'd played a couple of times.

Moshe Kasher 6:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:17 And then, um, w- we just stumbled into this pool hall that had this insane array of characters, all these people that were-... criminals and hustlers and homeless people and people who lived in flop houses and people who are g- fucking insane gambling addicts that would bet on raindrops coming down a window pane.

Moshe Kasher 6:43 (laughs) Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:43 They would bet on fucking anything, man. They want- they just wanted action. They were t-

Moshe Kasher 6:47 And you were teens walking in there?

Joe Rogan 6:49 What's that?

Moshe Kasher 6:50 You really... You guys were teenagers going in there?

Joe Rogan 6:51 No, no. We were about t- I was, I w- John's a little older than me. I think I was 23 or 24.

Moshe Kasher 6:56 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 6:56 Somewhere around then. It's like, well, yeah, like '90. So yeah, I was probably like 23. And I just remember thinking, like, "This is a whole world that I didn't know existed, this weird bachelor culture." And apparently, it emerged really in America in the early 1900s. In the early 1900s in New York City, there were hundreds and hundreds of pool halls, hundreds of them, and they were filled with these men that were disconnected from society. A lot of them had, like, returned from wars. A lot of them had gotten out of prison, and they were... It was, you know, during the Depression. There was a lot of illegal activity, and people did whatever the fuck they could.

Moshe Kasher 7:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:39 And these men would gather in these pool halls, and they were some of the wildest people I've ever encountered in my life. I watched a guy who had just gotten out of jail play chess, uh, with his w- just with words, just saying where the pieces moved with a 16-year-old kid who was a chess genius.

Moshe Kasher 7:59 He wasn't even moving the pieces. He was just like this to this.

Joe Rogan 8:00 No, there was no pieces.

Moshe Kasher 8:02 Oh, they were playing mind chess.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Mind chess.

Moshe Kasher 8:04 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 8:04 I was like th- so-

Moshe Kasher 8:05 That's like some Commander Data shit.

Joe Rogan 8:06 Th- yeah, these were exceptional people that just happened to never plug into regular society.

Moshe Kasher 8:12 Well, it's like that dude in Malcolm X's autobiography, the guy that, like, he ran all the numbers in his mind and he never forgot a single one.

Joe Rogan 8:19 Hmm.

Moshe Kasher 8:19 And Malcolm X said, like, he could have been, like, a m- a mathematical genius-

Joe Rogan 8:23 Right.

Moshe Kasher 8:23 ... or a stat- statistical professor or whatever, but instead he was, like, a hustler. He used that genius to be on the streets.

Joe Rogan 8:28 Yeah. There's some people that have genius power that they apply to an art form, but they could have applied it to any... Like Jay-Z.

Moshe Kasher 8:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Jay-Z doesn't write any of his lyrics.

Moshe Kasher 8:37 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 8:37 If you read Jay-Z's lyrics, they don't seem ad lib. They seem, like, really well-structured and written, and he's got a lot of words.

Moshe Kasher 8:47 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:47 And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words.

Moshe Kasher 8:50 That's why people call me the Jay-Z of comedy.

Joe Rogan 8:53 Is that why?

Moshe Kasher 8:53 You've heard that before. You've never heard a person not say that.

Joe Rogan 8:55 I haven't heard it yet.

Moshe Kasher 8:56 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:56 But I believe-

Moshe Kasher 8:57 It's coming down the pipe. It hasn't gotten here yet. You know, there's a pool hall in LA, by the way.

Joe Rogan 9:01 Really?

Moshe Kasher 9:02 With, uh-

Joe Rogan 9:02 There was almost none when I left.

Moshe Kasher 9:03 There's one in K-Town that apparent- that you go there...

Joe Rogan 9:06 Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Moshe Kasher 9:07 You go-

Joe Rogan 9:07 A lot of Koreans play pool.

Moshe Kasher 9:08 Yeah, you walk in-

Joe Rogan 9:09 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 9:09 ... and they're, and you walk into one of them if you're white.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 9:12 And they're like, "Uh-uh."

Joe Rogan 9:14 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 9:14 And you're like, "What? I wanna play pool." They're like, "Uh-uh. Next, next, two doors down."

Joe Rogan 9:18 You're allowed to do that. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 9:19 And you go, "No, I'll play here." They're like, "Uh-uh." Well, they do whatever they want. Th- they have their own rules.

Joe Rogan 9:23 It is kind of wild.

Moshe Kasher 9:23 And then you walk down, and that's where the white people are playing pool, but it's the same owner.

Joe Rogan 9:26 Oh, that's hilarious. But by the way, you cannot complain. No one will listen.

Moshe Kasher 9:30 Yeah, nobody gives a shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:31 If you're a fucking white guy and you can't get into a pool hall-

Moshe Kasher 9:33 You call the cops.

Joe Rogan 9:33 ... and they have a pool hall for white guys, like-

Moshe Kasher 9:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:35 ... "Shut the fuck up, dude. There's robberies going on."

Moshe Kasher 9:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:37 "I got no time for you."

Moshe Kasher 9:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:39 "People are shooting people."

Moshe Kasher 9:40 Hi, LAPD.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Why are you wanting- (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 9:41 I was rejected, uh, access to a Korean pool hall. It feels very wrong.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Yes, I want, I want someone to intervene immediately. This is horrible. I am a white male. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 9:52 Like, maybe if you work your way up through the pool tables in the white one, then they'll, they'll, they'll adopt you into the Korean one. You can start playing then.

Joe Rogan 9:57 If they know you, maybe. They're probably gambling. That's probably what a lot of it is.

Moshe Kasher 10:01 I would have... Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 10:02 The word pool comes from pooling money together.

Moshe Kasher 10:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 10:05 The g- the game is called pocket billiards. It's not called pool.

Moshe Kasher 10:09 That's really interesting. So it was just a gambling game for the people that had returned from-

Joe Rogan 10:12 No, it was a game, right.

Moshe Kasher 10:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:14 But with l- I think all games eventually evolve into gambling.

Moshe Kasher 10:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:19 People gamble on basketball all the time. People gamble on fights all the time. Like, fighters will gamble against their opponents. People gamble. They like to gamble. It makes things more exciting because now there's money on the line as well as pride and everything else.

Moshe Kasher 10:35 Are you allowed to bet on fights?

Joe Rogan 10:36 I am not.

Moshe Kasher 10:37 You are not allowed to. Interesting.

Joe Rogan 10:38 I am not allowed to now.

Moshe Kasher 10:40 When did that happen?

Joe Rogan 10:40 It's a recent rule that came about because apparently there's an allegation that one of the UFC trainers... And I wanna be real clear about this because I actually like this guy a lot, and I think he's a super talented trainer, and I do not know if this is true. So I won't, I won't even say his name. But one of these trainers was apparently aware of injuries and then informing-

Moshe Kasher 11:03 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 11:03 ... like, a group of people online who are betting. So they're like saying like, "Hey, this guy's got something wrong with him."

Moshe Kasher 11:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:10 "He's not gonna win this fight." And then all the money would go on the opponent, and then they would rake it in. And this happened allegedly, uh, on fighters that he was training or people that he knew and-

Moshe Kasher 11:22 It's like insider stock trading.

Joe Rogan 11:23 It's similar. Yeah, it's fishy also because it gives the possibility that fights are dives. You know, it's when a w- when a coach is betting against their fighter, like, or giving other people information against their fighter, if that happened, I don't know if it happened again, I just wanna be real clear, it's allegedly, um, if that's the case, that's... It's kind of like you're... It's, it's next door neighbor to a dive. And that is the last fucking thing we want in mixed martial arts is fixed fights.

Moshe Kasher 11:53 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Which is weird because it's owned by the same people that own WWE now.

Moshe Kasher 11:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:57 Which is kind of crazy.

Moshe Kasher 11:58 They've had a good week.

Joe Rogan 11:59 It's a great week.

Moshe Kasher 12:00 Yeah, it's a good week to be in the WWE.

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yo, dude, that Vince McMahon is wild.

Moshe Kasher 12:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:05 That boy's out there.

Moshe Kasher 12:06 I, it, I read the... I couldn't get through the text messages.

Joe Rogan 12:10 True.

Moshe Kasher 12:10 I started trying to read them, and I was like, "I don't wanna read. This is like poison."

Joe Rogan 12:13 But the thing is, when I see that dude with his shirt off, he's 80 years old, he's got a chain around his neck.What, are you shocking me with this information?

Moshe Kasher 12:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Don't you think it takes a lot to get that guy going?

Moshe Kasher 12:24 Well, it's... (laughs) You're saying he needed to send all those text messages to get aroused at 30?

Joe Rogan 12:28 I think he probably needs a lot just for stimulation. Listen, he's a billionaire.

Moshe Kasher 12:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:33 He's been running pro wrestling for fucking decades. He's world-famous, CEO of this giant fucking multinational company, pro wrestling company. He's also in pro wrestling.

Moshe Kasher 12:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:45 He gets out there and competes. He does it.

Moshe Kasher 12:47 Yeah, I guess at a cert-

Joe Rogan 12:48 Or, you know, performs, let's just say.

Moshe Kasher 12:50 At a certain point, I guess, if you're that through the looking glass of reality, like-

Joe Rogan 12:53 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 12:53 ... you become a heel in, in life. Life is heel, and, and the, and everything is a match.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Yeah, if you're gonna be really successful at putting together pro wrestling, probably be pro wrestling all day long.

Moshe Kasher 13:04 You gotta stick with it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:05 Yeah, like, stay in it all fucking day long. Don't go read Nietzsche at the end of the day.

Moshe Kasher 13:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:10 Don't be reading Carl Jung's thoughts on flying saucers. Get the fuck outta here. Drink beer and go fuck.

Moshe Kasher 13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:17 That's what you should be doing. You're on the road, I want you to Ric Flair it until the fucking wheels come off.

Moshe Kasher 13:23 They do come off, too.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Well, they... Yeah, on almost all of them.

Moshe Kasher 13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 The only one who hasn't is The Rock.

Moshe Kasher 13:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:28 The Rock is in remarkably great condition. Obviously, huge and massive in muscles and everything, but mobile. He can do things. Like, we worked out together.

Moshe Kasher 13:37 That's, that's interesting. I wonder, 'cause he s- he also seems like kind of the most... He's one of those dudes who's got h- he, like what you're talking about, genius level. He could've been anything.

Joe Rogan 13:46 Sure. Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 13:46 He's kinda got one of those mega IQs, feeling like.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Well, he's got a mega discipline, is what he has.

Moshe Kasher 13:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:51 And if you applied that to intellectual endeavors, he would be a mega genius. It's like it... I think they're... We wanna think that they're not connected, but I think they are. And I think like a Michael Jordan or someone who gets that good at basketball could get that good at anything. It's just, they don't apply themselves in that area 'cause that's... I think it's just exceptional people.

Moshe Kasher 14:11 Well, you know there's that weird idea, and it... I, apparently this is proven, that the difference between a world championship runner and the number five is, like, less than a second. Their speed.

Joe Rogan 14:23 Hmm.

Moshe Kasher 14:23 Right? I mean, the, the difference between the Olympian and, and the guy that doesn't make the podium is so in-... It's just infinitesimally small.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Hmm.

Moshe Kasher 14:30 And then they... The reason that the person wins is because they believe. They... It i- it's not even a physiological thing. It's like a confidence thing. And you see it in-

Joe Rogan 14:38 Unless you're running against Usain Bolt.

Moshe Kasher 14:40 Right. (laughs) We'll take him out of, we'll take him out.

Joe Rogan 14:42 And they don't give a fuck what you believe.

Moshe Kasher 14:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:43 'Cause then there's genetics. Genetics are real, too.

Moshe Kasher 14:46 Well, genetics is probably, I would guess, is what gets you to the, to the stage in the first place.

Joe Rogan 14:50 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 14:50 It gets you on the track, right?

Joe Rogan 14:51 It exists intellectually, too. There's, there's b- boundaries. I have limitations. I have, like, certain limitations intellectually.

Moshe Kasher 14:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:58 At a certain level, I just check out.

Moshe Kasher 15:00 Sure.

Joe Rogan 15:00 I'm not gonna... But I am friends with some insanely brilliant people that scare the shit outta you without... Like g-... If I talk to Eric Weinstein, I'm like, "What? Are we even the same thing?"

Moshe Kasher 15:10 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Like, what are we? We're not the s-... We're, we're barely the same thing.

Moshe Kasher 15:13 You know when you really see that kinda genius, is when they start talking to you in a way you'll understand. You go, "Oh, so you wrote that book that I can't even comprehend, but you're also conversationally able to help me?"

Joe Rogan 15:23 Yeah. Eric doesn't even try.

Moshe Kasher 15:23 He doesn't. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:24 He doesn't even try with that.

Moshe Kasher 15:24 He leaves you behind. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:25 He does sometimes. I try to tell him, like, "You gotta help us out here." But, uh, but it's just 'cause that's how he thinks and that's how he communicates. It's like e- e-... If y-... Like, if you're gonna talk about comedy, uh, to someone who doesn't do comedy, you'd probably just start talking like a comic.

Moshe Kasher 15:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Like, "This is what we do. This is how we do it."

Moshe Kasher 15:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:39 "I'm not gonna, like... I can't hold your hand too long. You're 40 years old, but let me- "

Moshe Kasher 15:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:42 "... just explain how I do it."

Moshe Kasher 15:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 Either get it or you don't get it, but...

Moshe Kasher 15:46 I, um... Well, I was... Uh, on that pool thing, though.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 15:49 The, the... That univer... When you walked into that pool hall th- and saw like, bam, this is another universe.

Joe Rogan 15:56 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 15:56 To me, like, that is... That's the experience of my life over and over again. Uh, that is what the book is about, is these, like, these momentary portals into another universe, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:07 Hmm.

Moshe Kasher 16:07 Where somebody taps you on the shoulder and goes like, "Walk over here." It's like-

Joe Rogan 16:10 Oh, yeah.

Moshe Kasher 16:10 ... Luke Skywalker, right?

Joe Rogan 16:11 Right, right, right.

Moshe Kasher 16:11 Like, he's this weak, powerless kid on Dantooine or whatever, and, uh, and then all of a sudden, Obi-Wan Kenobi's there and goes, "Look, there's a whole other universe here."

Joe Rogan 16:19 Will you show everybody your shoes 'cause I think those are Luke Skywalker shoes?

Moshe Kasher 16:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:22 (laughs) That's what I was gonna say.

Moshe Kasher 16:23 This is bullying, Joe.

Joe Rogan 16:24 I couldn't remem- I love them. I couldn't remember the name of the planet, though. When you said, "Dantooine," I was like, "Oh, that's it."

Moshe Kasher 16:30 Oh, this... Oh, you think these are Dantooine shoes?

Joe Rogan 16:31 Yeah, yeah.

Moshe Kasher 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 For sure.

Moshe Kasher 16:32 These are cool. Joe came in and s- almost liked them. I felt pretty good about that.

Joe Rogan 16:36 I... Th- They're unusual. I love that you wear them. They look great with white slacks or tan slacks.

Moshe Kasher 16:41 (laughs) Are those white or tan?

Joe Rogan 16:42 This is, this is so close to a compliment.

Moshe Kasher 16:43 It's just a compliment.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Y- you have a style. You have a certain style.

Moshe Kasher 16:47 Um, they're the most comfortable shoes.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Chain out, too. Look at you, rocking-

Moshe Kasher 16:49 Chain out.

Joe Rogan 16:50 ... chain out.

Moshe Kasher 16:50 Yeah, always. Chain out all day.

Joe Rogan 16:51 What the fuck?

Moshe Kasher 16:51 If I'm coming to... If I'm coming to Joe Rogan-

Joe Rogan 16:54 Chain out.

Moshe Kasher 16:54 ... I'm taking the chain out, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:55 Let's go.

Moshe Kasher 16:56 Yeah, let's freakin' go.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Let's fucking go.

Moshe Kasher 16:57 I say let's freakin' go for the kids.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Yeah, yeah. Let's friggin' go.

Moshe Kasher 17:00 Let's friggin' go, guys.

Joe Rogan 17:01 What's, what's less offensive, friggin' or freakin'? Like, if you're around a r-... An old lady.

Moshe Kasher 17:05 Uh, I think freakin' is more fun for an older lady.

Joe Rogan 17:09 Right, it's not offensive at all. It's like-

Moshe Kasher 17:10 'Cause she's an old freak herself.

Joe Rogan 17:11 Maybe.

Moshe Kasher 17:12 She might just be an old freak herself.

Joe Rogan 17:13 She might be an old prude that hung in there.

Moshe Kasher 17:15 I've never understood the concept of, uh, uh, censoring yourself for an older person. Uh, they've, they've heard-

Joe Rogan 17:20 It's respect.

Moshe Kasher 17:20 They've heard the thing.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Right, but the idea is that every-

Moshe Kasher 17:22 They shot Nazis.

Joe Rogan 17:24 That is true, but that every generation gets more and more desensitized to bad words.

Moshe Kasher 17:29 Oh, yeah. That's fair. I, I-

Joe Rogan 17:30 Which is 100% true.

Moshe Kasher 17:31 I... Yeah, I could see that for sure.

Joe Rogan 17:32 Like, my kids say things that I would've never said in front of my parents.

Moshe Kasher 17:36 Oh, i- in front of you?

Joe Rogan 17:37 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 17:37 But you're also... You're you, so you've created a persona-

Joe Rogan 17:40 That also-

Moshe Kasher 17:40 ... where swearing is pr... It'd be funny for you to be uptight about swearing.

Joe Rogan 17:43 It is funny. It al-

Moshe Kasher 17:43 I bet you did, though, when you had little kids, right?

Joe Rogan 17:45 No, I never was.

Moshe Kasher 17:46 No.

Joe Rogan 17:46 My wife was a little bit, but not bad, and I was like, "Listen, we have to just tell them that it... You can't say these words in front of other people, but they're just words."

Moshe Kasher 17:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:56 But the only thing... We're... Words are a sound you make so I know what you're thinking.

Moshe Kasher 17:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:59 That's all it is. And to make words good or bad is fucking stupid. But there's a lot of things you're gonna learn that are stupid in the world. But here's the rules... But in the... Around the house, they'll use them for funny, and it's hilarious. It's like y- raising comics 'cause we all talk like comics.

Moshe Kasher 18:14 D-

Joe Rogan 18:14 They'll talk shit, you know? And it's fun. It's-

Moshe Kasher 18:17 Totally. I had a conversation with my daughter the other day. I go... I sat her down. I go, "Okay, honey. You're funny."And with great power comes great responsibility.

Joe Rogan 18:25 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 18:25 I go, "You're gonna have to figure out how to, how to, like, where the line is."

Joe Rogan 18:28 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 18:28 Because people who are funny, take it from me-

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 18:31 ... walk through the world offending people because they think they're being funny and they've gone, like, a step too far in personal interactions.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 18:36 I go, "That's your job now."

Joe Rogan 18:38 And it's also, like, when you're doing that, like, people have to understand, like, "Why could, why would you have said that?" Like, I didn't know I was going to say it while I was saying it.

Moshe Kasher 18:45 T- completely.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Like, there's a thing that you're doing when you're creating, specifically when you're ad libbing, where you're, uh, if you're on stage, you're ad libbing. You are literally, like, you've got these missiles that are coming into silos and you're like, "Launch it."

Moshe Kasher 18:59 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 18:59 "Launch it. Launch it." Like, you're not even looking at the missile. It's like your mind says, "Maybe you can connect that to this, go." And sometimes it just, like, th- a s- a dud.

Moshe Kasher 19:11 Sometimes it- Oh, and sometimes you're up on stage and you go, "Oh, I've, oh, that was the end."

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 19:14 "I wish... That, that missile-"

Joe Rogan 19:16 Don't see it. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 19:16 "That missile destroyed the-"

Joe Rogan 19:17 "I shot myself."

Moshe Kasher 19:18 Yeah, it destroyed-

Joe Rogan 19:19 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 19:19 ... the village and everybody in it. I've definitely had that experience. But yeah, there was that moment on my, on my id- uh, my crowd work album, Crowdsurfing, where I heard myself when I was listening back to it. I was riffing one riff, and in that riff, switched back and did the better riff. Like, that's a pretty, speaking of, like, the way the brain works-

Joe Rogan 19:37 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 19:37 ... like, that, it's like a honed, that's a honed brain that comics have.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Well, you've got that, uh, you've done that exercise over and over and over and over again, so you get, like, super comfortable in that pocket of, of crowd work. Like, Big Jay Oakerson is amazing at that.

Moshe Kasher 19:51 One of the best, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:52 He's one of the best ever at that. He's just so... Andrew Schulz is as well. They're just so comfortable. There's a fucking hilarious one that Schulz just put out of, uh, he's talking to some guy in, in the audience who brought a date, and the date turns out to be a trans woman, and it's just, it's hilarious. But fun, lighthearted, positive. It's really cool. It's very skillfully done.

Moshe Kasher 20:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:17 You know? It's a sk- and it, and the whole audience loved it. It was like they loved it. It was f- it was great.

Moshe Kasher 20:23 Well, that's how I think of crowd work when it w- goes really well.

Joe Rogan 20:25 Everybody's having a good time.

Moshe Kasher 20:26 Yes, it's like a gift.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Yes. Yes.

Moshe Kasher 20:27 It's like a gift to the crowd, they, 'cause they know in their mind, "I will, this moment will not be re... This was for me."

Joe Rogan 20:32 Right.

Moshe Kasher 20:33 I, this was a gift this comic gave me-

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 20:34 ... tonight and it will never exist again, except in TikTok form. Uh-

Joe Rogan 20:38 Eh.

Moshe Kasher 20:38 Hopefully it'll go viral a million times.

Joe Rogan 20:40 For- forever.

Moshe Kasher 20:41 Well, that, I always think about that when it, everybody's blowing up on these crowd work clips. It's like, how many magical moments? But there's something beautiful about this too.

Joe Rogan 20:48 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 20:48 How many magical moments you, you offered on stage in the pre-digital kind of, uh, upload everything era, where you're just like, it was just momentary. It was just an offering to that moment.

Joe Rogan 20:58 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 20:59 There's something really beautiful about that.

Joe Rogan 21:00 I love that. I think that's, like, it's import- uh, uh, I think the artificial reality of digital life, you, it g- there's certain people that wanna fucking film everything. They wanna film every conversation they have. "Look, I'm here with this. Let's, let's put this on the Gram. Will you tag me in this?" Like, uh, stop.

Moshe Kasher 21:22 It's g- it's a wild experience.

Joe Rogan 21:23 You gotta live.

Moshe Kasher 21:24 I saw a guy the other day, his thing is he goes to re- fine dining restaurants and screams at the top of his lungs.

Joe Rogan 21:29 Oh.

Moshe Kasher 21:29 That's his, that's his career.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Oh my gosh.

Moshe Kasher 21:31 That's his-

Joe Rogan 21:32 Was he the guy that got arrested that was just dumping shit on people?

Moshe Kasher 21:35 (laughs) Now that I respect.

Joe Rogan 21:37 He dumped a whole bucket of shit on some guy that was, like, on the train.

Moshe Kasher 21:42 Just shit?

Joe Rogan 21:42 On, down his back. Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 21:45 And then what'd he say? "Oh, it's a prank." It's like, we're past that.

Joe Rogan 21:47 Yeah, and he's a kid and, and, you know. I mean, to think-

Moshe Kasher 21:49 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:50 We were talking about it. I, um, I said, "I think it might be bioterrorism 'cause there's som- like, shit, human shit is, like, really dangerous."

Moshe Kasher 21:57 That is definitely biohazard, for sure.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Yeah. Like, humans are gross. Like, our f- our fucking gut bacteria, if that gets in a cut, if human shit gets in a cut, you better wash the fuck out of that thing.

Moshe Kasher 22:07 Talk about going viral.

Joe Rogan 22:09 What?

Moshe Kasher 22:10 We're going viral. This joke is landing-

Joe Rogan 22:12 Oh, actually.

Moshe Kasher 22:12 exactly where I wanted it to.

Joe Rogan 22:14 You're right. Viruses.

Moshe Kasher 22:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:15 Yeah, yeah. Literally.

Moshe Kasher 22:17 Please don't write in.

Joe Rogan 22:18 That's where plague comes from.

Moshe Kasher 22:19 From, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:20 I mean, that's the ear- ear- early days, it was, a lot of it was, like, terrible hygiene and terrible sanitation and no running water, so people were just shitting in the streets. They're shitting in buckets and throwing it on the street. There's human feces everywhere.

Moshe Kasher 22:32 Do you know why people think perhaps the Jews didn't suffer as much in plague? Um, other than, uh, conspiracy theories that they started it during the Black Plague.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Um, there was a conspiracy theories way back then that they did it?

Moshe Kasher 22:44 Uh, I'm pr- I'm pretty sure, yes. I, I don't know where that rumor would've come from.

Joe Rogan 22:49 So how did they survive it?

Moshe Kasher 22:51 So Jews, when they eat a meal, every single meal, uh, with bread, always wash their hands. It's b- a part of the ritual. It's a ritualistic thing.

Joe Rogan 22:59 Oh.

Moshe Kasher 22:59 You wash your hands before you eat bread. And, and, uh, people didn't really do that because germ theory wasn't, people didn't know about germ theory.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Right.

Moshe Kasher 23:06 They didn't understand the correlation between washing your hands and eating. And so Jews would always wash their hand before every meal, and that is how, uh, apparently, they, they sidestepped some of the, the ravages of the plague.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Do you think that, that a lot of the religious rules, like washing your hands, it has to be based on some ancient understanding of where diseases come from? Like, think about no pork, right?

Moshe Kasher 23:31 Right. The trichinosis thing.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Trichinosis.

Moshe Kasher 23:33 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:34 It's ubiquitous in porks.

Moshe Kasher 23:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:36 In, in porks. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 23:37 In, in porks.

Joe Rogan 23:37 In, in pigs, in pigs, in bears, in, uh, mountain lions. They all have it. Like, it's like a giant percentage of bears have it. A giant percentage of pigs have it, especially wild pigs. So that would s- prevent you from ever getting that. Let's just say no one eat pi... Well, the simple way, don't cook it to 147 degrees.

Moshe Kasher 23:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:53 I don't know what the fuck that means. I don't know when the right way to cook it. It kills people.

Moshe Kasher 23:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Let's stop eating that. And then shellfish, same deal, red tide. All sorts of other bacteria that you can get.

Moshe Kasher 24:02 What about mixing, um, linens and wools or whatever?

Joe Rogan 24:06 That's a weird one. But like the, the shellfish one, people die of oysters. I just read about someone dying from a raw oyster. It's super rare. I still eat them.

Moshe Kasher 24:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Um, which is a really stupid thing to do. You know? Like, why am I eating oysters-

Moshe Kasher 24:19 They'll kill you?

Joe Rogan 24:19 ... if they can fucking, every one out of a million people gets whacked by an oyster?

Moshe Kasher 24:23 (laughs) I didn't, I did not know that.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Yeah, somebody g- died just recently.

Moshe Kasher 24:26 My kid eats live-

Joe Rogan 24:27 And now I'm, like, rethinking my oyster consumption. I'm like, "What am I doing?"

Moshe Kasher 24:29 My kid eats live sea urchin.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Whoa, oh.

Moshe Kasher 24:31 She's a more adventurous eater than I am.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Ooh. Yeah, I love it. I love that.

Moshe Kasher 24:34 Yeah. So straight out of the, straight out of the carcass.

Joe Rogan 24:35 (clicks tongue) Damn, that is adventurous.

Moshe Kasher 24:36 Yeah. It's moving a little bit.

Joe Rogan 24:38 That's my favorite sushi. "Man dies after contracting vibrovulnificus bacteria from fresh oysters in Texas rest-" (gasps) It's right here.

Moshe Kasher 24:46 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Shit!

Moshe Kasher 24:47 You're going down. No, you're good.

Joe Rogan 24:48 "The consumption of raw oysters at a Texas restaurant led to an untimely death of a relatively healthy..." Relatively is a weird word for a dude in his 30s.

Moshe Kasher 24:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:57 You know, like... What are we talking about here?

Moshe Kasher 24:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:59 Relatively healthy, what are you trying to say?

Moshe Kasher 25:01 It's a lot of editorial from USA Today.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 25:04 It is relatively healthy, I wouldn't say...

Joe Rogan 25:05 The man... Hold on, Jamie. The man contracted a bacterial infection known as vibrovolanicious... vola, vol, vulnificius.

Moshe Kasher 25:15 That's my favorite techno DJ.

Joe Rogan 25:17 (sighs) It sounds like a, a good one, like from, like Germany or somewhere, that thrives in warm coastal waters. So it's like local bacteria?

Moshe Kasher 25:25 I think you're good though, Joe. If he died...

Joe Rogan 25:27 I'm, I'm definitely good.

Moshe Kasher 25:27 And you said it's one every, every, every millionth oyster, he ate the oyster.

Joe Rogan 25:32 It's probably more than one every million. Oh, look it, the guy lost his toes.

Moshe Kasher 25:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Yo.

Moshe Kasher 25:36 Oh, this is not good.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Yo.

Moshe Kasher 25:38 I do not want vibrovulcanefucninus.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Is it a sp- flesh-eating bacteria? It's one... Those are weird, you hear about those in the news every now and again. Fresh flesh eating... Ah, it is a fucking flesh-eating bacteria. Goddammit.

Moshe Kasher 25:50 I heard of...

Joe Rogan 25:51 You hear about those.

Moshe Kasher 25:52 I don't want one.

Joe Rogan 25:53 No.

Moshe Kasher 25:53 That's my official stance on this. I heard about a, uh, a kid that ate a slug as a dare.

Joe Rogan 25:58 Oh, yeah.

Moshe Kasher 25:58 You, you read that story?

Joe Rogan 25:59 And became paralyzed in Australia.

Moshe Kasher 26:00 Super brutal.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Oh, horrible.

Moshe Kasher 26:02 And then you start war... I've warned my kid, I go, "Don't eat slugs," but it's like, she's gonna do some other terrible thing that I can't think of.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Right, you never can protect them fully, nor should you. That's the unfortunate thing, it's like you kinda... They have to experience a certain amount of, like falling down.

Moshe Kasher 26:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:16 It's part of the process.

Moshe Kasher 26:17 I just... But I did tell her, "Don't eat slugs."

Joe Rogan 26:19 Don't eat slugs.

Moshe Kasher 26:20 The other day we were on the beach though, and my neighbor had a lobster trap out. And, uh, and he took out his lobster trap and he was undoing it and there was this, uh, undulating piece of seaweed. I go, "I think there's something alive in there." And we shook it off and it was a full giant octopus.

Joe Rogan 26:35 Ooh.

Moshe Kasher 26:36 It was the coolest, and my kid reached in...

Joe Rogan 26:38 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 26:38 ... and grabbed the octopus, like, just like it was her friend. She was like, "Baby octopus, my frie..." And then...

Joe Rogan 26:43 Whoa. They will bite the fuck out of you.

Moshe Kasher 26:44 That's what we found out, every octopus is veno-

Joe Rogan 26:46 Oh, no.

Moshe Kasher 26:47 Well, she didn't get bit. Every octopus is venomous, and not, most of them can't kill you, but every one of them has a beak that will fuck you up.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Yeah, they're all beak.

Moshe Kasher 26:54 But he was very cool about it.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Do you know how they kill them when they catch them?

Moshe Kasher 26:57 No.

Joe Rogan 26:57 They bite their heads.

Moshe Kasher 26:58 Who? Who they?

Joe Rogan 27:00 Fishermen.

Moshe Kasher 27:00 They physically bite them?

Joe Rogan 27:01 Fishermen physically bite their head, like right where the brainstem is, and then they change color. And that's how you know they're dead.

Moshe Kasher 27:08 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 27:08 They, they become pink?

Joe Rogan 27:09 They become white.

Moshe Kasher 27:11 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 27:11 Yeah, they just l... When you see an octopus in the wild, have you ever seen how well they can camouflage themselves?

Moshe Kasher 27:16 Yeah, totally.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Fucking insane.

Moshe Kasher 27:17 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Texture, everything. They can look exactly like whatever the fuck they're near, whether it's coral or gr- rubble on the ground. They, they literally blend in. I- it's, it's insane. It's amazing. But when you bite them, all that shit goes away.

Moshe Kasher 27:31 D- you like meat.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 27:33 Do you have any com- like, weird fe- feelings about, like a, an animal at a certain level of intelligence?

Joe Rogan 27:39 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 27:39 Like, octopus to me, when I...

Joe Rogan 27:40 I don't wanna eat a monkey.

Moshe Kasher 27:41 Ri- well, a monkey's... Yeah, yeah, that's very intense.

Joe Rogan 27:44 Yeah. That... See, watch.

Moshe Kasher 27:45 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 27:45 He, he's gonna bite the octopus. He... So this guy caught this octopus and he's gonna bite it. See where he bites it? And then the thing immediately goes...

Moshe Kasher 27:53 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 27:53 He bites it, like, right where the eyeballs are, and then it immediately dies.

Moshe Kasher 27:57 This is the system by which y- you get octopus at a restaurant, is just some guy biting...

Joe Rogan 28:01 I do not think so.

Moshe Kasher 28:01 ... the brainstem of an octopus?

Joe Rogan 28:03 I do not know, but I think this is just individuals that are sport fishing. They're doing it for food. They're just getting that oct- octopus is delicious.

Moshe Kasher 28:10 They're smart, though, aren't they?

Joe Rogan 28:11 But they're fucking too smart for me.

Moshe Kasher 28:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:12 It bothers me.

Moshe Kasher 28:13 Feel like you're eating an alien.

Joe Rogan 28:14 I feel like I might stop eating octopus. Um, there's animals that are really f- pigs are really fucking smart.

Moshe Kasher 28:20 Right, pigs are smart. That's wh-

Joe Rogan 28:21 They're really smart.

Moshe Kasher 28:22 You're right, that's where it starts to get weird, because then...

Joe Rogan 28:23 Gets weird.

Moshe Kasher 28:24 So the crows...

Joe Rogan 28:25 Crows.

Moshe Kasher 28:25 Crows will bring you gifts.

Joe Rogan 28:27 Gifts. Crows are super smart.

Moshe Kasher 28:27 And they'll warn you that the cops are coming.

Joe Rogan 28:29 There's this guy, he found this crow, it was in the water. Might've been a guy, might've been a woman, I'm not sure. But anyway, there was a, some TikTok video about it. And this person found this crow, picked it up with a paddle, it was in the water, like drowning.

Moshe Kasher 28:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:42 Put it in the boat, and then took it home and nursed it back to health. And then the, the crow would just hang out with her. And like, they were...

Moshe Kasher 28:49 Yeah, they're like loyal.

Joe Rogan 28:50 ... petting the crow with a brush, and she put the brush back on the shelf. Then the crow flew over to the shelf, grabbed the brush, brought it back, and said, "No, no, keep petting me."

Moshe Kasher 29:00 There's a... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:00 Really, it's really cool.

Moshe Kasher 29:02 There's like a whole mechanism on how to get the crow to like you too.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Really?

Moshe Kasher 29:06 You start doing a certain... I think it's leaving it gifts.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 29:08 And then it will go, "Oh, this person gives gifts." Then it will start bringing you gifts. And then if you keep going, it will start attacking your enemies.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 29:16 Your neighbors will come over and be like, "What's up, Joe?" And then the crow...

Joe Rogan 29:19 (cawing)

Moshe Kasher 29:19 ... will come down and attack.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Yeah, this guy, uh, Dan Flores, who was on the podcast before, had essentially trained a crow by leaving it food every day. And he would go on a walk with his dog, and the crow would hang out with him.

Moshe Kasher 29:30 Would it fly, it would fly next to him? Or...

Joe Rogan 29:32 Oh, yeah. Fly right, right next to him.

Moshe Kasher 29:33 Oh, that's cool.

Joe Rogan 29:33 And hang out with him and plop down, and it would, you know, go looking for him.

Moshe Kasher 29:37 I had a...

Joe Rogan 29:37 It like, liked him.

Moshe Kasher 29:38 I had a friend who was a falconer. Do you know about these guys?

Joe Rogan 29:40 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 29:40 I'm sure you do. Do you know how they catch them? It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 29:42 No.

Moshe Kasher 29:43 Well, basically they catch them, they catch them in the wild. Uh, they like leave some, some food out and they catch them. They... With a trap in the wild. But then they take them home. This blew my mind. They take them home and they put them in a dark room for like multiple days.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Whoa.

Moshe Kasher 29:58 And they walk into the dark room with one of those weird gauntlets or whatever, that are made by the same people that make my boots. And they have just meat on their hand. And they just sit there for hours, in a dark room with a, with a, an owl or a hawk or whatever. And over the course of a week, the, the, uh, the, the...... bird will get closer and closer and then start nibbling and then start eating. And at that point, it's yours, and now it's, now it's your falcon.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Whoa.

Moshe Kasher 30:24 Isn't that crazy?

Joe Rogan 30:24 So it just rewires their brain?

Moshe Kasher 30:26 Yeah, to be like, "This guy's got the food." So when, so now when he lets me go to hunt for the rat or whatever, I'll come back to the gauntlet.

Joe Rogan 30:34 Look at this crazy trap they use to get them.

Moshe Kasher 30:36 Huh. And every falcon that a falconer has is caught captured in the wild.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Really?

Moshe Kasher 30:41 They're not, like, bred or whatever.

Joe Rogan 30:43 They're not bred? Wow.

Moshe Kasher 30:44 They, they just capture them, and then they do this weird thing where they train them, and then they let them go after a few years of service.

Joe Rogan 30:49 When I was in Scotland, there was this lady who was, uh, she trained a, a variety of birds, but she trained owls and falcons. And, uh, so she had a falcon there, and she said the problem with the falcon is when they let it go, it just fucks things up. It just fly, it just finds another bird and kills it. Like, she, like, every time she lets it go, it finds something and kills it.

Moshe Kasher 31:07 It's just like an ... Uh, i- it's violent.

Joe Rogan 31:09 Oh, it's the worst. It's a monster.

Moshe Kasher 31:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:12 It's just a killing machine. It doesn't matter if it's hungry or not, it's just flying around looking to fuck things up. She said the owl is the second-dumbest bird in the wild.

Moshe Kasher 31:21 Really?

Joe Rogan 31:21 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 31:22 That's-

Joe Rogan 31:22 Isn't that crazy?

Moshe Kasher 31:23 How did they get the wise thing?

Joe Rogan 31:24 They, someone f- is, got a good PR agent, and they just-

Moshe Kasher 31:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:28 ... they got ahead of it.

Moshe Kasher 31:30 Owl, baby. It's me.

Joe Rogan 31:31 Owls are dumb. She said owls are dumb. She said, uh, the really smart ones are, like, uh, like, falcons are very smart. Crows are the smartest. But, um, the only thing s- dumber than an owl is emus. Emus are dumber.

Moshe Kasher 31:45 They're so big, you'd think that they would have big brains.

Joe Rogan 31:47 They don't have to be.

Moshe Kasher 31:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:49 They're just, "Shut the fuck up. Give me the food."

Moshe Kasher 31:52 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 31:52 They're so big.

Moshe Kasher 31:53 They c- th- th- they are freaks, I would say, freaks of nature. They shouldn't exist-

Joe Rogan 31:57 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 31:57 ... the emu. Have you eaten emu?

Joe Rogan 31:59 No. Have you?

Moshe Kasher 32:00 No, but I think people do.

Joe Rogan 32:01 People eat it? They eat ostrich. I've had ostrich at Fuddruckers.

Moshe Kasher 32:04 At Fuddruckers, they have ostrich?

Joe Rogan 32:05 Fuddruckers used to serve an ostrich burger. It was really good.

Moshe Kasher 32:09 It was good?

Joe Rogan 32:09 Yeah, it was fantastic.

Moshe Kasher 32:10 What's the best game?

Joe Rogan 32:11 (smacks lips) I think elk. I think elk is the most delicious. That's my favorite.

Moshe Kasher 32:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:15 But there's a lot of really good ones. Um, axis deer, which th- are very prevalent here in Texas. They're from India. They're really delicious. Yeah, but bison, bison's very delicious. But, um, they're very lean. Like, if you're gonna eat just those things, you gotta make sure you get, uh, uh, an adequate amount of fats along with them.

Moshe Kasher 32:34 You eating moose?

Joe Rogan 32:35 (smacks lips) I eat moose, yeah.

Moshe Kasher 32:36 What's up with moose? Good?

Joe Rogan 32:37 Moose is delicious, yeah. Moose is delicious.

Moshe Kasher 32:38 Seems greasy.

Joe Rogan 32:39 No, not at all. No, not even a little.

Moshe Kasher 32:42 What's the worst game?

Joe Rogan 32:42 No, they're very lean. Um, you could get a r- a funky pig.

Moshe Kasher 32:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:48 You could get a wild pig that's f-

Moshe Kasher 32:49 I've had one of those in my life.

Joe Rogan 32:50 I shot a wild pig that was kind of funky. A javelina, that one was odd. I ate a javelina.

Moshe Kasher 32:56 You f- w- when you kill an animal, do you feel bad?

Joe Rogan 33:00 I don't feel good.

Moshe Kasher 33:01 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 33:01 I feel good that it's successful, but you don't feel good when you look down at the dead animal. But I don't think-

Moshe Kasher 33:07 It's like a guilty, guilty thrill kind of?

Joe Rogan 33:09 Well, you're thankful.

Moshe Kasher 33:10 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 33:11 You're thankful that ... I mean, this is, it's a very, it's a very different connection with food when you've been there and harvest it and when you actually go in the wild. So it's one thing if you have a farm and you raise a cow and you kill the cow and you eat the cow. You have a connection with that food that's very different than me who just goes to a supermarket and buys a stick.

Moshe Kasher 33:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:33 It's another level of that when you're going into the woods with a bow and arrow, and you're climbing mountains and you're going eight, 10 miles a day and, uh-

Moshe Kasher 33:43 You, it's like you swoop into their universe.

Joe Rogan 33:45 100%.

Moshe Kasher 33:45 It's like you walk through the portal into their universe-

Joe Rogan 33:47 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 33:47 ... and just s- b- blip them out of it.

Joe Rogan 33:48 And I'm not the only one there, and that's when it gets scary.

Moshe Kasher 33:51 You mean there's other predators?

Joe Rogan 33:52 There's mountain lions.

Moshe Kasher 33:52 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 33:53 You know, you meet bears out there. There's l- there's real shit out there-

Moshe Kasher 33:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:58 ... that is capable of killing a deer with its face.

Moshe Kasher 34:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Like-

Moshe Kasher 34:02 And a, and a, and a hunter from behind.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 34:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:04 And a hunter from behind, and a stealthy hunter that you're not gonna hear until it's too late.

Moshe Kasher 34:09 Have you ever felt that?

Joe Rogan 34:10 I've seen them. Um, I've never been stalked by one. The biggest one I ever saw was actually inside of a car. I saw inside, like, two years ago. I was with my friend Colton, and, uh, he goes, "Look at the cat." He stops the truck, and it's at dusk, like, right when the sunlight's going down. And I see these glowing eyes under a tree, and we're about 30 yards away from it, and I have binoculars. So I put up my binoculars-

Moshe Kasher 34:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:30 ... to look at it up close. It was fucking terrifying.

Moshe Kasher 34:34 Mountain lion.

Joe Rogan 34:35 Huge one.

Moshe Kasher 34:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 A huge male, like 170-plus pounds.

Moshe Kasher 34:39 They're-

Joe Rogan 34:40 Just massive muscles. The muscles were so impressive. Like, his forearms were huge.

Moshe Kasher 34:45 They're so scary because they don't attack you until you're not looking too-

Joe Rogan 34:48 Hmm.

Moshe Kasher 34:48 ... so you'll never know they'll just be on top of you.

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 34:51 You think you could fight one off?

Joe Rogan 34:52 No.

Moshe Kasher 34:52 I'd be done for.

Joe Rogan 34:53 No.

Moshe Kasher 34:53 You would. You got muscles.

Joe Rogan 34:54 No.

Moshe Kasher 34:54 You could, like-

Joe Rogan 34:54 Nope. No.

Moshe Kasher 34:55 ... you scream and yell and-

Joe Rogan 34:56 Dude, I could barely fight off a house cat.

Moshe Kasher 34:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:59 A regular house cat will probably fuck me up if it's motivated.

Moshe Kasher 35:02 Dude, I got a, I got a German shepherd.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Those are great dogs.

Moshe Kasher 35:05 Well-

Joe Rogan 35:06 They need a lot of work, though.

Moshe Kasher 35:07 Listen, I, I was like ... I don't know if you've noticed the last few years, things have gotten a little bit weird.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 35:11 And I was like, "Okay, I'm on the road a lot. I know what I'll do. I'll get a German shepherd, and it'll protect my family."

Joe Rogan 35:17 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 35:17 But then I entered into a negotiation with Natasha 'cause she didn't want, like, a hardcore one. So what we ended up getting was this giant fucking bitch.

Joe Rogan 35:25 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 35:25 I mean, it's just such a little, like, clown. It's like d- the DoorDash people come and they end up w- wearing a ski mask. It'll be like, "Well, Enchante, right this way. Come on in." Like, it-

Joe Rogan 35:34 Oh, no.

Moshe Kasher 35:35 They're ... So I have the, I have all of the work-

Joe Rogan 35:37 Right.

Moshe Kasher 35:37 ... of a German shepherd with none of the, none of the advantages.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Is it a male or a female?

Moshe Kasher 35:40 It's a male.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Is it fixed?

Moshe Kasher 35:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:42 There you go.

Moshe Kasher 35:42 That's my problem.

Joe Rogan 35:43 Yeah. That's, that's a big part of it. Yeah. They don't have any testosterone.

Moshe Kasher 35:45 Damn, I should've kept those balls. I didn't do it.

Joe Rogan 35:47 Especially when they're young, if you get them real young and they're fixed. I had a dog that was fixed when he was a baby somehow or another. Like, we got him, I got him from someone else. And when I got him, I was like, "Oh, he's already fixed. He's so young." It was too young. And it, he fucked, he was kind of fucked. It fucked his development up. He had no testosterone as he was growing, which is just not good for a male dog. There's a lot of arguments that it's, look, it's irresponsible to let your dog have a bunch of puppies and then, you know, th- it's ... So if you're letting your dog out and your dog is fucking other dogs and getting them pregnant and getting pu- yeah, that's irresponsible. But my dog's not fixed, and he doesn't go out.... if he interacts with dogs, it's my friends' dogs. You know, we play in the yard. I take him for walks. He doesn't get loose to go fuck a dog. It's not irresponsible.

Moshe Kasher 36:33 D- does he ever get to fuck?

Joe Rogan 36:35 He's never fucked.

Moshe Kasher 36:36 Aw.

Joe Rogan 36:36 No.

Moshe Kasher 36:37 That's cruel in a different way.

Joe Rogan 36:38 I'm afraid he would find out about it.

Moshe Kasher 36:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:39 And then, he would never sh- shut the fuck up. Like, "Dad, where's the girl?"

Moshe Kasher 36:44 This has-

Joe Rogan 36:44 Where's the bitches, literally, where are the bitches?

Moshe Kasher 36:45 I don't know if you know. This has been great.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 36:47 Do you know about the sex stuff?

Joe Rogan 36:48 This is my favorite thing and I didn't even know about it till now and I'm seven.

Moshe Kasher 36:51 That's funny. That's a different kind of meanness, though. You let it keep the balls, but you keep it from ever having sex.

Joe Rogan 36:57 Well-

Moshe Kasher 36:57 Does he-

Joe Rogan 36:57 ... th- th- they can't not come. And if they're having sex, the girl can get pregnant.

Moshe Kasher 37:02 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 37:03 It's not like humans where it's funsies.

Moshe Kasher 37:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:05 You know? Y- y- there's no funsies in the animal world.

Moshe Kasher 37:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:08 That's why deer only have sex once a year.

Moshe Kasher 37:11 We need to... Is that true?

Joe Rogan 37:12 Yeah. Well, they have multiple times in this one time period in a year, but it's called the rut.

Moshe Kasher 37:17 We should make a dog condom.

Joe Rogan 37:19 It's not gonna work. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 37:21 No, we... Just put it on. If you love your dog and you want it to get laid, slip it on.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Well, you could give your dog birth control, I guess.

Moshe Kasher 37:27 Really?

Joe Rogan 37:27 Yeah, but that would probably fuck the female dog up. It fucks women up.

Moshe Kasher 37:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Birth control's terrible for women. They've been telling women to take birth control forever. Birth control does all sorts of wacky things to the way you perceive people. It's... Th- th- I, I have a friend and his daughter died. She had a stroke 'cause she had a blood clot that is apparently one of the side effects of smoking cigarettes and taking birth control. It's possible to have that happen. And she died that way, and she was, like, 17 years old. It's, like, it's this tricky medication. I mean, it's-

Moshe Kasher 38:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:00 ... it's great that women got their liberation sexually and that you d- every time you had sex, it wasn't, like, you're gonna have a baby that you could choose-

Moshe Kasher 38:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:07 ... when to do it and when not to do it, but... (inhales deeply)

Moshe Kasher 38:09 'Cause that'll fuck your perception up too, having a kid at 16.

Joe Rogan 38:12 100%.

Moshe Kasher 38:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:13 Yeah. The, listen, there's, there's arguments for both sides of it, and they put some girls on birth control for their acne, to control acne.

Moshe Kasher 38:20 I've heard about that.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Yeah, so it's, like, it's not saying that birth control is entirely bad. But if you're a woman and, and you have to take this thing in order to not get pregnant and the guy (laughs) doesn't have to do shit. You know, like, the guy that... Like, if a guy had to take... If a birth control pill was invented for a guy, and I think they did come up with one, but it radically lowers your testosterone.

Moshe Kasher 38:42 Oh, it'll be like my dog.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 38:43 It'll just be, like, a really sweet little bitch welcoming-

Joe Rogan 38:46 Yeah, probably kills-

Moshe Kasher 38:47 ... travelers.

Joe Rogan 38:47 ... your sperm cells. It's probably the only way it would work.

Moshe Kasher 38:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:50 So, the way to kill your sperm cells would be either to ramp up your endogenous testosterone to where your body doesn't produce testosterone anymore, so you don't produce sperm cells, or you could kill it. Kill the sperm cells, kill- kill the testosterone and kill everything. (laughs) They turn you into just a feeble version of yourself.

Moshe Kasher 39:12 Well, that's why I-

Joe Rogan 39:12 Tired all the time.

Moshe Kasher 39:14 That's what I came t- on this podcast to talk about, is mandated vasectomies for teenagers.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Ugh.

Moshe Kasher 39:18 And, uh, teenage boys, and I think this'll go over really well.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Yeah, uh, as long as you can reverse it.

Moshe Kasher 39:23 Isn't... Are we the ones that can be reversed or...

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yeah, we can be reversed.

Moshe Kasher 39:26 We're good. Women's-

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 39:27 ... not good.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Women cannot, obviously.

Moshe Kasher 39:28 I, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:28 Women get their uteruses removed.

Moshe Kasher 39:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:30 Uh, with a, a dude, they can reverse it, but it's not 100%.

Moshe Kasher 39:35 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 39:35 You know, they might have to do it a couple of times and make it stick.

Moshe Kasher 39:38 People are getting into that now.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 39:39 Vasectomies are, are having a moment right now.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Ahri' got one of them.

Moshe Kasher 39:42 Is that right?

Joe Rogan 39:43 Yep.

Moshe Kasher 39:43 Okay, I mean, good for h- I get that.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 39:44 If you're gonna be single and, and you don't want kids, like, why, why not?

Joe Rogan 39:48 I think Stan Hope did it too. Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 39:49 That's, like, a psychic, um, permanent condom.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 39:52 And with-

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 39:53 ... and with no condoms.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yeah, and then, you don't... If your, you know, you have a wife, she doesn't worry, worry about birth control anymore.

Moshe Kasher 39:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:00 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 40:00 I, I, I, I would not. Th- that, that would terrify me, I feel.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yeah, it's a tricky operation. It's a dick operation. Anytime you're operating on your nether regions, and you're like, "What is goi- what?"

Moshe Kasher 40:12 I mean, it does sound like a terrifying proposition.

Joe Rogan 40:13 And they gotta put you under, put you under and operate on your balls.

Moshe Kasher 40:16 And then you wake up and they've, they've castrated you and they go-

Joe Rogan 40:18 You wake up.

Moshe Kasher 40:18 ... "Things went a little bit wrong."

Joe Rogan 40:19 Yeah, I went sideways.

Moshe Kasher 40:20 (laughs) Unfortunately-

Joe Rogan 40:21 Just, yeah.

Moshe Kasher 40:21 ... you don't have balls.

Joe Rogan 40:22 The, the, uh, the doctor went and had a psychotic break and just started chopping.

Moshe Kasher 40:27 Well, you know about that story of the guy, uh, who amputated the wrong limb?

Joe Rogan 40:30 (gasps) Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 40:33 'Cause apparently they write in Sharpie on your limb, like-

Joe Rogan 40:35 Oh, God dammit.

Moshe Kasher 40:36 ... this one, this one off.

Joe Rogan 40:37 Oh, Jesus-

Moshe Kasher 40:37 And then he did the wrong one.

Joe Rogan 40:39 ... Christ.

Moshe Kasher 40:39 It's funny, you know, you remember that it's, like, it's just a person up there.

Joe Rogan 40:43 I know, um, a guy whose wife had the wrong kidney removed.

Moshe Kasher 40:48 Oh, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 40:49 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 40:49 That's dea- that's a death sentence.

Joe Rogan 40:51 Yeah. I don't... It's just like, "What the fuck did you just do?" And the doctor did not wanna admit fault. It's so... The whole story's so crazy.

Moshe Kasher 40:59 Was the, the kidney that was, was remain-

Joe Rogan 41:01 The doctor didn't wanna apologize.

Moshe Kasher 41:02 Oh, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:03 Yeah, kidney that remain was fucked.

Moshe Kasher 41:05 It was a bad kidney, of course.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Yeah, that was the one they were supposed to take out. They took out the good one.

Moshe Kasher 41:09 Whoosh. Would you ever donate a kidney?

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah. Yeah, I would to save someone's life. Yeah. I know people that have done it.

Moshe Kasher 41:14 Yeah, that sounds really intense. I would be-

Joe Rogan 41:16 Apparently, you can survive on one kidney. The, this, the liver is the craziest one. We were just talking about that the other day. If you donate half your liver to me, if you, you and I have the same blood type, within six to eight weeks, your liver will have returned to full size. And my liver that you donated, that you gave me will be full size as well.

Moshe Kasher 41:34 It feels like they should, they could cure liver cancer by just doing elective half-a-liver-in-a-lab growth.

Joe Rogan 41:40 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 41:41 And then we just...

Joe Rogan 41:42 Well, they're gonna eventually be able to do that, I would imagine. They're, they, they are already looking into some sort of reconstruction of organs. Like, to be able to create a com- completely new heart. It's made out of your own tissue, so that your body doesn't reject it.

Moshe Kasher 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 You know, 'cause your body rejects other people's tissue. So, if you, uh, gave me a heart, I would have to take these crazy medication to make sure that my body didn't reject that heart.

Moshe Kasher 42:05 Have you heard that... Uh, there, there's that documentary about that guy that was putting artificial tracheas in people?

Joe Rogan 42:10 Mm-mm.

Moshe Kasher 42:10 Oh, this is good, or bad. It's horrifying. It was this, like, genius doctor that was putting in these plas- he had this, uh, this, like, breakthrough that you could just replace a trachea with a plastic tracheal tube and bathe it in stem cells, and it would eventually, like, I don't know what, like, meld into your body's...... DNA tissue and just-

Joe Rogan 42:30 Mm.

Moshe Kasher 42:30 ... become a part of your body. But he was making it up. It did not-

Joe Rogan 42:34 Oh, God.

Moshe Kasher 42:34 ... ever, it did not work one time.

Joe Rogan 42:36 Oh, no.

Moshe Kasher 42:37 But he was just, like, flying around the world, this, like, medical, like, master. They're going, "This genius, the genius of our time." Winning, like, Nobel Prizes and stuff, and just people were dying left and right-

Joe Rogan 42:47 Ugh.

Moshe Kasher 42:47 ... because they were just putting a fucking tube into people's throat instead of a trachea.

Joe Rogan 42:51 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. How many did he do before they got him?

Moshe Kasher 42:55 It, it was, like, a half a dozen or something like-

Joe Rogan 42:57 (gasps) .

Moshe Kasher 42:58 ... that, yeah. It was really nauseating.

Joe Rogan 42:59 So he's just an insane person?

Moshe Kasher 43:01 In this weird way. I mean, it's kind of what we were talking about earlier with he was a genius, but he was, like, a mad, he'd become a mad genius, where he was-

Joe Rogan 43:07 He just blew a fuse.

Moshe Kasher 43:08 He blew a fuse, yeah. He thought, "I have an idea. There's no way my idea won't work if I just-"

Joe Rogan 43:13 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 43:13 "... if I just do it enough times." Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:15 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 43:16 Macchiarini. And simultaneously, he was, uh, hustling a woman, um, like, he was pretending to be married to, to, uh, a journalist in America, and then he was already married in Italy. So he was, like, kinda had two different madman thing going on at once.

Joe Rogan 43:30 (laughs) He's a wild dude.

Moshe Kasher 43:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:32 Swedish Appeal Court, uh, convicted Macchiarini on Wednesday and sentenced him to two and a half years in prison. That's it?

Moshe Kasher 43:40 That's pretty crazy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Sweden.

Moshe Kasher 43:41 Once there's a wall up w- where you're a medical professional, I guess, there is a little bit of an arm's length. I mean, these people did know they were doing an experimental, um, surgery and that they could die, I guess. But they didn't know that it definitely wouldn't work.

Joe Rogan 43:53 But they obviously decided that he did something wrong. They put him in jail for two and a half years.

Moshe Kasher 43:59 Yeah, this guy was a wild one.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Jesus Christ.

Moshe Kasher 44:02 Compulsive liar, spinning wild stories, and manipulating a woman who became his fiance.

Joe Rogan 44:06 The Appeal Court ruled that two of the three patients who died did not require emergency intervention. Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 44:12 That was the part I forgot.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 44:13 It kept, it kept fail- this is the most fucked up part, Joe. It kept failing on sick people that needed new tracheas. So, he was like, "What I need to do is find a relatively healthy person that has a tracheal issue, like a collapsed trachea or something, where they're still, like, walking through the world, uh, with relative health, like the oyster guy, and I'll put it in them and that will prove that the thing works."

Joe Rogan 44:35 Oh, my God. What a psycho.

Moshe Kasher 44:37 There he is.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Is that him?

Moshe Kasher 44:38 Yeah, that's him.

Joe Rogan 44:38 He is a psycho. He looks like, like George Clooney if he got really fat-

Moshe Kasher 44:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:42 ... and did a lot of opium. (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 44:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:46 What a psycho.

Moshe Kasher 44:47 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 44:48 To do it on relatively healthy people just to prove that it works?

Moshe Kasher 44:51 And it completely did not.

Joe Rogan 44:53 Oh.

Moshe Kasher 44:53 So he went, he literally went on a, a worldwide quest to find somebody with, like, a fucked up trachea, but that w- d- didn't, wasn't sick, and found someone like that, and she, it was like cosmetic for her.

Joe Rogan 45:03 (sighs)

Moshe Kasher 45:03 And she's like, "I'm tired of talking like this, and I have to have, like, a scarf on. And okay, I'll do it."

Joe Rogan 45:08 She didn't like the way her trachea looked?

Moshe Kasher 45:10 No, I think she, like, talked weird, and, uh, she had issues, for sure.

Joe Rogan 45:14 Okay.

Moshe Kasher 45:14 But she w- but it was not life or death.

Joe Rogan 45:16 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 45:17 Anyway.

Joe Rogan 45:17 There's some psychos out there, man. Some of them happen to be doctors.

Moshe Kasher 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Just 'cause someone went to medical school doesn't mean they're not crazy.

Moshe Kasher 45:24 No, I, oh, I, I listened to that Dr. Death podcast. Do you ever hear that?

Joe Rogan 45:28 No.

Moshe Kasher 45:28 It's about a guy who was like, he was a neurosurgeon, and he was just, like, uh, it, it wasn't clear if he was, like, Dr. Mengele, like, wanted to kill people or if he was just, like, a stupid person that was just, like, sl- slashing into people's bodies. Like, it wasn't clear what he was doing. But it looked like when he would open someone up, he had no idea what he was doing. I mean, he just was, like, stapling a artery to a bone. He just, like... And I've-

Joe Rogan 45:50 Just for fun?

Moshe Kasher 45:50 Who, nobody really knows. But if-

Joe Rogan 45:52 So, he was a real surgeon?

Moshe Kasher 45:53 He was a real neurosurgeon. And until I heard that podcast, it would've never occurred to me to go to a surgeon and then, m- look him up. I w- I'm sure you-

Joe Rogan 46:01 Right.

Moshe Kasher 46:01 ... are savvy enough to do that, but I would've just been like, "You're a doctor."

Joe Rogan 46:04 Right.

Moshe Kasher 46:04 "Like, you must know things. Okay, open up my brainstem and get in there."

Joe Rogan 46:08 Yeah, the first time I got surgery, I had, I have n- I had no idea anything about the doctor's credentials, and I don't know anything about him now.

Moshe Kasher 46:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 I don't even remember his name. He put me under and opened me up and drilled holes in my bones and...

Moshe Kasher 46:20 Yeah. Now, I, I heard that, I would, I would always Google. I would, uh, I would go deeper.

Joe Rogan 46:25 Yeah, man. You, you can't be fucking (laughs) entirely sure that someone's not out of their mind.

Moshe Kasher 46:29 Well, there's certain, there's certain, um, professions like that where you assume their degree is the thing that makes them competent, but you forget that it's just a person. There-

Joe Rogan 46:38 There's, here's the guy, it says, "Of the 37 patients, Dunst..." How do you say it? Dunst?

Moshe Kasher 46:42 Oh, Dunst. Yeah, David Dunst.

Joe Rogan 46:44 "Dunst operated on in Dallas over ab- about two years, 33 were hurt or harmed in the process."

Moshe Kasher 46:50 33?

Joe Rogan 46:51 33 out of 37.

Moshe Kasher 46:51 That is a bad record.

Joe Rogan 46:52 "Four people skated clean. Some people woke up paralyzed. Others emerged from anesthesia to permanent pain and nerve damage, from nerve damage. Two patients died, one from significant blood loss after the operation, and the other from a stroke caused by cut verbal arter- ve- uh, vertebral artery." Wow.

Moshe Kasher 47:11 Yeah, he was just slashing. He was in there just, like, mashing it up, kind of like preschool style.

Joe Rogan 47:16 Look at this one. "One patient, a childhood friend of Dunst, went in for a spinal operation with someone he trusted and woke up a quadriplegic after the doctor damaged his verti- vertebral arter- artery." Whoo.

Moshe Kasher 47:28 That was his, like, be- childhood best friend.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Oh, my God. Turn him into a quadriplegic. Jesus Christ. Yeah, there's psychos out there, man. Is that him? No, it's not.

Moshe Kasher 47:38 That's the guy that plays him in the mov-

Joe Rogan 47:40 He's in a movie.

Moshe Kasher 47:40 ... in the TV show?

Joe Rogan 47:41 Peacock Show.

Moshe Kasher 47:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:41 Yeah, that's Josh Jackson from... Oh.

Moshe Kasher 47:43 Let's get a real photo of this boy up here.

Joe Rogan 47:44 There was another Dr. Death. There was a guy who created execution machines. There was a documentary about him. It's a crazy documentary. Because at the end, he kinda gets hoodwinked into becoming a Holocaust denier.

Moshe Kasher 47:58 Oh, I know about this guy.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 48:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 48:01 I keep tabs on all of them.

Joe Rogan 48:03 Yeah, he wa- I think he's gone now. But I think at the end of his life, like, he was somehow or another brought to Auschwitz or...

Moshe Kasher 48:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:15 One of the, one of the other concentration camps.

Moshe Kasher 48:16 I remember this guy, yes.

Joe Rogan 48:18 And he said that this could not have been-

Moshe Kasher 48:20 It's impossible that Zyklon B could've...

Joe Rogan 48:22 ... and could not have, yeah.

Moshe Kasher 48:23 Yeah, I saw this documentary.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 48:25 Oh, it was Errol Morris' film? Yeah. I remember this guy.

Joe Rogan 48:29 So, what was his assertion? He cl- claims he was invited to other American prisons to inspect and design modifications to their electric chairs, possessed no relevant formal training or education, and claims that he was told that those who did possess such qualifications would not provide advice due to their opinions on death penalty, fear of reprisals, or that they were squeamish about the subject. So ... So, he was ... What was he? What was his background? Just c- could you let it here ... So, it's, it, his career continued with other state prisons seeking his advice on execution facilities other than electrocution, such as gas chambers, hanging, and lethal injection. How do you say his name, Luch- Leuchter? Leuchter initially professed his ignorance of other methods of executions. The auth- authorities seeking his advice reminded him that others with more qualifications refused to help. Leuchter claims to have taught himself on these other methods of execution and provided advice that was used by the authorities to improve safety and efficiency. So, as Fahl claimed, when Leuchter claimed to have been sought as a witness for the defense for Ernst Zundel during ... So, one of the Nazis, right? In Canada for spreading false news by publishing and sending material denying Holocaust overseas, Leuchter was asked by the defense to travel to Poland to visit Aus- so that, no, maybe that guy wasn't a Nazi. Maybe he was, like, a Holocaust denier. Ernst Zundel. So, what is the trial? Spreading false news. So, he's just been accused of spreading false news by publishing and sending material denying the Holocaust. So, he's being tried for that. And Leuchter was asked by the defense to travel to Poland to visit Auschwitz to investigate whether they had been operating gas chambers for executions at the camp. So, at (clears throat) first examination, uh, Leuchter felt that using poison gas in a building with the internal and external design of the buildings currently on display at the site would have caused the death of everyone in the area outside the buildings, as well as inside. The film shows videotape footage taken in Poland of Leuchter taking samples of bricks in the buildings to take back to the United States forensic science labs to determine whether there was evidence of poison gas in the material. These samples were not identified as to where they came from. Leuchter states that the laboratories reported that there was not any trace of any poison gas at any time.

Moshe Kasher 50:57 Right. I re- I remember this now.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yeah. After his conclusions were disproven and negativity publicity ensued, Leuchter lost his work as a consultant to American prisons. So, his conclusions were disproven, so they must have found gas. Look, there's a lot of evidence that those were gas chambers.

Moshe Kasher 51:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Like, that's a, that's a crazy thing.

Moshe Kasher 51:17 I think I remember that this, uh, this documentary, because he starts saying these things, he starts ... It's very similar to, like, social media clout. He starts saying these things, and everybody starts to, in the Holocaust denial community, starts, like, bigging him up and going, like, "This is our guy." And he gets more ideological as a result of it.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Yeah, and this is the ... See, he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. This is what th- ... This is one of the answers. It says, "It's all a question of concentration. Once the gas is, is released into the atmosphere, its concentration decreases and is no longer dangerous. Also, HCN dissipates quickly. The execution gas chambers in US prisons were also ventilated directly into the atmosphere." So, so it just dissipates. "Furthermore, the argument would hold for the extermination chambers. It would hold for the delousing chambers as well, and one would have to conclude that no delousing chambers existed either." So, it's just, he doesn't understand how it dissipates. So, there's probably no trace because there's no trace left.

Moshe Kasher 52:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:19 You know, it's ... We're talking about, he's doing this 70 years later.

Moshe Kasher 52:22 I mean, that's a-

Joe Rogan 52:23 Or whatever it was.

Moshe Kasher 52:23 I think that's what the ... I r- ... I think that's what the documentary was about, was that this guy got, quickly got in over his head. The minute he said one thing, they were all like, "We love you." And he became this kind of figurehead-

Joe Rogan 52:33 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 52:33 ... of, of that movement.

Joe Rogan 52:34 He became an expert.

Moshe Kasher 52:34 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 52:36 People saying that they know stuff, uh, which is sort of the disease of our time.

Joe Rogan 52:39 So, that's the other Dr. Death. They can have a duel of douchebags.

Moshe Kasher 52:42 (laughs) Dr. Dool-

Joe Rogan 52:43 I think the guy with the surgeon's gonna win. He seems more evil.

Moshe Kasher 52:46 I mean-

Joe Rogan 52:46 The other guy seems to, like, ego got ahold of him, or just stupidity.

Moshe Kasher 52:49 The Errol Morris guy?

Joe Rogan 52:50 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 52:50 Yeah. I mean, th- th- there ... It is a wild thing out there th- to think of going under the, under the knife and then waking up-

Joe Rogan 52:56 Ugh.

Moshe Kasher 52:56 ... and realizing that the ... Did you hear about this? There was a, uh, a, a lab, I believe ... I can't remember which hospital. Where the women were going in for fertility treatment.

Joe Rogan 53:06 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 53:06 And they were not being given Oxycontin. They were being given saline. And they would be under general-

Joe Rogan 53:12 (gasps)

Moshe Kasher 53:13 They'd be under general anesthesia, so they couldn't stop it. So they were doing basically surgery, but you were paralyzed.

Joe Rogan 53:19 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 53:19 Uh, because you're under general anesthesia.

Joe Rogan 53:20 So, like, you feel the pain.

Moshe Kasher 53:21 So you feel the pain the entire time. And they found out why is because there was a drug addict who was in charge of, uh, dispensing the, the Oxycontin who was just, like, taking it and being like, "That's mine."

Joe Rogan 53:32 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 53:32 Or it was fentanyl. It was fentanyl.

Joe Rogan 53:34 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 53:35 And she was just, like, dripping the fentanyl into her bag and taking it home.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Oh, my God.

Moshe Kasher 53:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Wow. Oh, my God. Geez.

Moshe Kasher 53:46 That's a rough, that's a rough one. And then they would come up and they would say-

Joe Rogan 53:49 Those are the fucking evil people in this world.

Moshe Kasher 53:51 They would say, "Oh, I felt so much pain." And they would go, "No, no, you're fine." It's like, "No, no, I think I just went under general surgery with absolutely no painkiller at all, but I was paralyzed."

Joe Rogan 54:01 Oh, my gosh.

Moshe Kasher 54:03 Imagine that.

Joe Rogan 54:04 Imagine that. Well, imagine when they used to do it when you weren't paralyzed.

Moshe Kasher 54:08 Oh, they put a piece of leather in your mouth?

Joe Rogan 54:09 Just ... Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 54:09 And just take your limb off.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Yeah, just saw your leg off.

Moshe Kasher 54:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:12 Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh.

Moshe Kasher 54:12 Dances with Wolves style. They would give you, um, (smacks lips) ethyl, ethyl alcohol, right?

Joe Rogan 54:18 They would give you booze. They'd give you whatever the fuck they could give you.

Moshe Kasher 54:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:21 It's not gonna help. What do you think the garlic and the vampire connection is?

Moshe Kasher 54:25 Garlic and vampires?

Joe Rogan 54:26 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 54:26 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Where did that one come from?

Moshe Kasher 54:28 Yeah. I'm, I'm not sure.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Isn't garlic a very potent, uh, antibacterial? Like, don't they say to take garlic if you have stomach flus? I think that's one of those, uh, homeopathic solutions.... that people say take garlic if you're sick, but-

Moshe Kasher 54:43 But why vampires?

Joe Rogan 54:45 Maybe vampires are connected to the, the idea of what a vampire is, uh, not knowing what happens to people when they get sick, not knowing what happens to people when they get a plague, blaming it on someone else, blaming it on someone evil, blaming it on a curse, you know, blaming it on someone who came back from the dead. And why, why does someone have, you know, anemia?

Moshe Kasher 55:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:06 Why is someone losing all their blood, you know? You could blame that on a vampire.

Moshe Kasher 55:11 Yeah. Uh, that's, uh, I guess if you were extremely ill, it would seem like-

Joe Rogan 55:14 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 55:14 ... but you're still walking through the world, it would seem like you had been possessed on some level.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Well, I've said that about people that get addicted to drugs. I've met people-

Moshe Kasher 55:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 ... they weren't addicted to drugs and they got addicted to drugs. It's like, "Oh my God." It's like that person got bit by a vampire.

Moshe Kasher 55:28 Totally. Yeah, I think about that a lot, not the vampire thing, but about people who... And I was on that road, by the way. That was going to be my life, about people who decided to get high instead of do anything else. Like, it's like my life will just be getting high, and that'll be it.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Yeah. Well, there's certain ones, the ones that get physically addictive, they're terrifying.

Moshe Kasher 55:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:46 The, the oxys, the cocaine, like that kind of shit where you're physically drawn to it, you need it to get, to get well. The heroin people that need it, they're sick, and they need it to get well, that is wild stuff, man.

Moshe Kasher 55:59 Meth does this even scarier thing, which is that it, uh, it lowers the, your brain's ability to create its own, um... What's the word for-

Joe Rogan 56:07 Serotonin?

Moshe Kasher 56:08 Serotonin. And so meth becomes this, like, sort of cyclical trap where you can't actually... It's not just that you wanna get high. Your brain can't make you happy without it.

Joe Rogan 56:17 Oh my God.

Moshe Kasher 56:17 And it takes, like, a long time to rewire your brain in that particular way.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 56:24 Heroin's the one that everybody overdoses from, and meth is the one that people kind of go mad from slowly because their brains get weirdly atrophied in that way.

Joe Rogan 56:31 One of my friends from the pool hall, um, was a crack addict. And he would go get crack, and then he would have to come down by drinking 40 ounces.

Moshe Kasher 56:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 56:41 So he would get so fucked up. I, I, I would... He was always trying to... I took him a couple times to, like, bad neighborhoods so he could cop, but then, um, we'd always have to go to a liquor store and he would get, like, a 40 ounce.

Moshe Kasher 56:53 Of what?

Joe Rogan 56:54 Old English-

Moshe Kasher 56:55 Old English.

Joe Rogan 56:55 ... stuff like that.

Moshe Kasher 56:56 You're a 40 guy?

Joe Rogan 56:57 N- well, I've drank 'em. Um, it's, they're fucking crazy strong.

Moshe Kasher 57:01 That's kind of all I drink.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Like if you wanna make sure that people n- never have any ambition and don't leave-

Moshe Kasher 57:05 (laughs) Which is probably what they do. I-

Joe Rogan 57:08 That's exactly what I would do if I was evil.

Moshe Kasher 57:11 I used to... My, the way I would choose what alcohol I would drink is, like, if a gangster rapper rapped about it-

Joe Rogan 57:16 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 57:16 ... I would drink it, so-

Joe Rogan 57:17 Right.

Moshe Kasher 57:17 ... gin and juice-

Joe Rogan 57:18 Old English.

Moshe Kasher 57:18 Old English, St. Ides, that was my-

Joe Rogan 57:20 Mm-hmm, St. Ides.

Moshe Kasher 57:20 That was my drink of choice. St. I- W- white, uh, Mickey's was for white boys.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 57:24 I, I didn't mess with that. St. Ides for, for the real brothers in the room.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 57:27 And Carlo Rossi because E-40 had a, a, a song called Top of the Line Wine, Carlos Rossi. And then that was... And then Mad Dog 20/20 and Cisco, those were the things that I drank.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Mad Dog 20/20 was always a popular one.

Moshe Kasher 57:40 Sure.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 57:41 For the youth of tomorrow.

Joe Rogan 57:42 Yeah, those, they're fucking strong, man. And Johnny used to drink 'em, he used to down 'em when he was, when he was, like, his eyes was all wild, he would be sweating, you know. But he was also a genius, he was the guy that could do complex math in his head. Well, there are-

Moshe Kasher 57:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:55 You could, you could say to him, you know, like, just throw a bunch of numbers, 4... You could have a calculator there. 400 divided by 6 minus 10, uh, plus 500, n- you know, minu- you could keep going.

Moshe Kasher 58:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:06 And he would go, "462."

Moshe Kasher 58:07 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 58:08 It was weird. He played piano.

Moshe Kasher 58:09 And he used to go smoke crack after that?

Joe Rogan 58:10 Yep.

Moshe Kasher 58:11 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 58:11 Genius pool player too, like one of the best pool players I've ever seen in my life, like professional-level pool player.

Moshe Kasher 58:17 I, like, spent my... I feel like I spent my youth with people like that, like, I got sober at 15.

Joe Rogan 58:23 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 58:23 Do you know that? I've been sober since I was 15.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 58:26 I went to rehab for the first time when I was 13.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Holy shit.

Moshe Kasher 58:29 And then, uh, and then got, uh, finally got sob- finally got sober at 15, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:35 (exhales)

Moshe Kasher 58:35 ... in a young people's meeting, asking for help and everybody in the room was 10 years, five to 10 years older than me, in a young people's meeting.

Joe Rogan 58:42 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 58:43 And that was, like, the beg- that was the beginning of my, my kind of life.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Holy shit. Did, were you a, a latchkey kid? I mean-

Moshe Kasher 58:51 Oh yeah, definitely.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Yeah. So you just got let out and you were just out on the streets listening to rap, drinking 40s?

Moshe Kasher 58:56 I was, I was a latchkey kid and my mother, uh, O- Oakland Public Schools, my mom was deaf, my parent, my dad was deaf too and he was like a, like a sort of born again Hasidic Jew. Like when the, when my parents split, my dad got, like, super, super religious.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 59:10 We come from, we come from crazy, I mean, like a hardcore version of... It's not like what you... It's like, do you see Unorthodox?

Joe Rogan 59:16 No.

Moshe Kasher 59:17 Uh, it's a show on Netflix. It, it's about a really hardcore sect. That's the sect that my fa-

Joe Rogan 59:21 Is it a documentary series?

Moshe Kasher 59:22 It's a, no, it's a, it's a show.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Oh, it's a show.

Moshe Kasher 59:24 It's a scripted show about the, the sect of Hasidic Judaism called the Satmars, and that's the world that my, my family was from. My stepmother was Satmar and my, my family came from a, a town called New Square, New York. Do you know anything about that?

Joe Rogan 59:35 No.

Moshe Kasher 59:36 New Square's really interesting. It's like a village up above Monsey, which is already an unbelievably ultra-Orthodox place, but Monsey, uh, is nothing compared to Skver. Skver is like the he- th- women don't drive in New Square, New York.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Whoa.

Moshe Kasher 59:49 This is New York City. I got cousins that have Eastern European accents and they are third generation American.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Which borough is this?

Moshe Kasher 59:57 Well, my family lived... Monsey's in Upstate New York and my family lived in Brooklyn in Seagate. Uh, do you know where Seagate is?

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Yes.

Moshe Kasher 1:00:04 It's like Pasquana Island-

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Uh-huh.

Moshe Kasher 1:00:05 ... at the, at the tip of Brooklyn.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Right.

Moshe Kasher 1:00:07 And that was a Satmar neighborhood, and kids in that neighborhood, we used to play dodgeball games where it would be the ultra-Orthodox kids versus the actually religious kids.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 1:00:14 Like, that's how intense things were, like an ultra-Orthodox person that you looked at and went, "Wow, that's a real Jew right there," we were basically the Gentiles of the community.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Holy shit.

Moshe Kasher 1:00:24 It was crazy. And I would be nine months a year in Oakland, regular public school listening to Too Short, fly back to my dad's house, get driven to the ult- the Orthodox barber shop. They'd put a yarmulke on me, slacks, and I would go cosplay as an extra from Fiddler on the Roof for six weeks a year.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 1:00:40 So, that was the pre, be- before rehab. And th- that's sort of par- I think that's the reason that I fell into the rehab so heavily, uh, into the drugs so heavily is because I was... Everything about me made me feel like I am... Uh, uh, I don't fit. I don't fit. I'm, I'm a hearing person in a deaf world. I'm a, essentially, a Gentile in a, in a Jewish world, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 That is so crazy that you were considered a Gentile.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:01 I mean, they didn't really consider me.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 But you were not as religious as them.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:03 But, but effectively, effectively-

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 There's something wrong with you.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:05 Might as well have been. Dude, there was a, there was a-

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:07 There was a local rabbi when I was getting close to my bar mitzvah, and he goes, uh... He noticed... He was very nice, and he noticed that I, I didn't know Hebrew. These kids spoke, and I'm not kidding, these kids spoke Yiddish as a first language. That's why they had the Eastern European accent, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:21 So my uncle, he was first generation American, so he sounds like an American because the first generation of Americans say, "Go fit in." Right? But then by the time he had kids, they're like feeling their comfort in, in the United States, and they go, "Don't go fit in. Go to a seminary where we learn Yiddish." So, my cousins sound like the extras from Doctor Zhivago, and my uncle sounds like a New Yorker.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Wow.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:40 Like, it's that weird. So, they speak Yiddish as a first language. I would bring an English prayer book to school, and kids would... The people would be like staring, like it was a scarlet letter, like there's something wrong with me because I had an English book. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 'Cause you couldn't speak it in Hebrew.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:52 'Cause I didn't know Hebrew.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 You couldn't read in Hebrew. Wow.

Moshe Kasher 1:01:54 So, it's getting towards my bar mitzvah, right? It's twel- my 12th year or 11th year, and I don't know the alphabet, and this rabbi sees that I'm struggling. Um, and my dad was deaf, and so he had this kind of like bizarre relationship with the community where he was like one part accepted, one part almost mascot in a way that was, uh, a little insulting, but he was loved, whatever. The rabbi said, "Give him to me. Uh, and I'll teach him Hebrew." Right? This is like the '90s, uh, early or late '80s, early '90s. You could, at that time, ask for some alone time with a child and then be handed over, no questions asked, right? So, I go to his house and he starts teaching me the Hebrew, uh, uh, the Hebrew, uh, the alphabet, basic, elemental. I mean, like, this is like a Talmudic scholar teaching me the ABCs, right? And I am struggling. I, like, can't get it. And he goes, "Don't worry, don't worry." He goes, "Don't, don't, don't, don't be embarrassed. Hold on. Sh- Shmulik, Shmulik, come in, come, come." And his son sh- comes into the room, and he goes, "Do the English alphabet." This is an American kid. He goes, "Do the English alphabet." And the kid goes, "Oh, no. Uh, A, B, G..." And then he slaps me. The rabbi slaps me on the back and he goes, "See? He is stupid in English. You are stupid in Hebrew. Everybody's stupid." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 (laughs)

Moshe Kasher 1:03:06 That's the... That was the energy. What a sweetheart, right?

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 That's a good way to approach it.

Moshe Kasher 1:03:09 Yeah. It was like he was willing to humiliate his eldest son-

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:03:12 ... to teach me to love learning.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 That is funny, though. The kid doesn't know the English alphabet. Wow.

Moshe Kasher 1:03:15 It was... I'm sure eventually he got it, but this was like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Maybe not.

Moshe Kasher 1:03:19 M- maybe not.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Maybe not. I mean, there's, there's communities in this country that exist generation after generation where they only speak one language.

Moshe Kasher 1:03:25 No, it's like they made Wakanda in Brooklyn.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 1:03:27 That was like the vibe, you know? And I was in multiple Wakandas, too. I was born into like the deaf Wakanda where... Imagine that. You're being born the enemy, but I, I was... I'm a member of the deaf community, and I, I think every deaf person would say that, that I, I like belong, but I also was the enemy. I was the hearing. And, and so you're-

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Then why do they think of the hearing as the enemy?

Moshe Kasher 1:03:46 Well, that is a complicated question, and it's because, um, there has been a lot of enforced oppression on the deaf community from the, from the outside. The story of sign language is really fascinating. Um, 300 years ago, there was no sign language. There was no... There was, there was only the kind of sign... If you were born... 90% of deaf people are born into a hearing family, right? Uh, that's just the way genetics works. Like, most of the time you don't have deaf family members. And if you were born 350 years ago into one of those families, you just didn't have language. You weren't given the gift of language, which is the thing... I mean, think about how much language plays into your own life, Joe, like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:04:26 ... speaking and things... Everything you know, uh, every thought process you have is, is mashed through the filter of language.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:04:32 And in that situation, you'd be born into a family and you had zero language. Uh, you would have like a gesturing system that you'd created with your dad to be able to say like, "Pass the potatoes," and that was it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Right.

Moshe Kasher 1:04:42 So, you-

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 You couldn't say how you feel. You couldn't say what you wanted to do.

Moshe Kasher 1:04:45 You couldn't even think about how you... I mean, you could think... I, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't-

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:04:48 I, I've never experienced that. But language is the thing that unlocks reason. It's the thing that unlocks culture.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Yeah.

Moshe Kasher 1:04:54 And people were stymied from that. But if you were born lucky enough to have genetic deafness in your family so that you and your sibling were both users, both deaf, then the two of you sitting together could create language, a language of two, right? You would back and forth between two siblings create a, a family sign system that would enable the both of you learning from one another to create a language and enable you to reason and think and talk about how you feel, even if it was-

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 But you couldn't-

Moshe Kasher 1:05:24 ... just with one person.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 ... communicate with the outside world.

Moshe Kasher 1:05:26 But at least you could communicate-

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Right.

Moshe Kasher 1:05:27 ... with yourself and with one other person. I mean, the difference between an isolated deaf person and a s- pair of siblings is the world.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Mm-hmm.

Moshe Kasher 1:05:35 It's, it's, it's freedom. It's everything.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Right.

Moshe Kasher 1:05:37 So, one day, a French p- priest walks along, uh, along and sees two deaf sisters signing back