Joe Rogan Experience #2095 - Moshe Kasher

1. 0:00 – 1:25

   Cult leaders, guns, and the inevitable “sleep with your wife” arc

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   4. MKMoshe Kasher0:12

      Oh. Oh, we rolling? Hi.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Yeah. Let's roll. Yeah, they just wanna start the, save the universe, and then they wanna fuck everyone's wife.

   6. MKMoshe Kasher0:18

      Oh, yes. Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah. It's-

   8. MKMoshe Kasher0:19

      It, it always begins, yeah, yeah. The, the dimensional portal will open and then it ends with, "You can't fuck your wife anymore, but guess who can?"

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Yeah. What happens is, first they start stockpiling guns.

   10. MKMoshe Kasher0:29

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Yeah. It seems like c- cult leaders have to have guns 'cause their faith in their ability to see the universe and all the good and everything is n- not quite good enough. You need an AR.

   12. MKMoshe Kasher0:42

       You need an AR to really get your point across.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Quite, quite a few. You need maybe some flash grenades and... (laughs)

   14. MKMoshe Kasher0:46

       I mean, it is interesting. It doesn't feel like... It feels like I wouldn't do that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       If you were running a cult?

   16. MKMoshe Kasher0:52

       Well, I wouldn't fuck your wife and make you, like, worship me. I would just-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Well, you're a very nice guy, Marshall.

   18. MKMoshe Kasher0:57

       I'm one of the nicest guys in America.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       You're a very nice guy.

   20. MKMoshe Kasher1:00

       (laughs) I, I, why is it-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       I d- I don't, I don't know anyone who doesn't like you, by the way.

   22. MKMoshe Kasher1:03

       Is that true?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yes. I've never met anybody like, "That guy's a dick."

   24. MKMoshe Kasher1:06

       Oh, that's really cool.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       No one.

   26. MKMoshe Kasher1:07

       I love that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Everybody likes you. You're a nice guy.

   28. MKMoshe Kasher1:09

       I like... Thank you. Tha- you're a nice guy too.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Thank you.

   30. MKMoshe Kasher1:11

       Yeah. I- I- I have made that a mark on my life. I wanna be a good guy.
2. 1:25 – 2:43

   Tantric sex, ‘holding it in,’ and the cost of hyper-optimizing pleasure

   1. MKMoshe Kasher1:25

      Like, I met Sting, and I go, "Okay. Sting, at some point along the line, decided, 'I'm gonna be, like, awesome.'"

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:30

      Yeah.

   3. MKMoshe Kasher1:30

      "That's gonna be my thing."

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:31

      "I'm gonna do yoga every day."

   5. MKMoshe Kasher1:33

      "Yeah, I'm gonna cum forever." And-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:34

      But he doesn't come.

   7. MKMoshe Kasher1:35

      Right, he doesn't come.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      He holds his cum.

   9. MKMoshe Kasher1:37

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       He's like one of these guys.

   11. MKMoshe Kasher1:39

       No. What I'm saying is he was so nice when I met him that he released.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Oh, wow. Interesting.

   13. MKMoshe Kasher1:43

       Yeah. I have it in-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       So sweet. (laughs)

   15. MKMoshe Kasher1:45

       I have it at home on my, in my office. It's a little jar of Sting cum.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       When he goes, he probably really goes. I mean...

   17. MKMoshe Kasher1:50

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       I think... What is the, the deal with that tantric-

   19. MKMoshe Kasher1:52

       That's why he says, "Don't stand so close to me."

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       (laughs)

   21. MKMoshe Kasher1:54

       'Cause he blasts you away.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       The tantric thing, they're supposed to have an internal orgasm? Like, they're supposed to absorb it-

   23. MKMoshe Kasher2:00

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       ... internally?

   25. MKMoshe Kasher2:01

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       I've never... I'm too lazy.

   27. MKMoshe Kasher2:03

       Well, it takes time.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Yeah.

   29. MKMoshe Kasher2:05

       You have to, like, discipline yourself, and then you can come forever, I guess. You know-

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       It seems like you're thinking about your come too much to be-
3. 2:43 – 4:07

   Moshe’s new book: crowd work vs solitude, and why books are ‘mega material’

   1. MKMoshe Kasher2:43

      Well, I guess that's a kind of... In a way, that's what this, this book that I just wrote is a- is about. It's about these, like, little-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:49

      Show me your book.

   3. MKMoshe Kasher2:49

      ... these little uni-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      You wrote a book, dude. Congratulations.

   5. MKMoshe Kasher2:52

      Thank you very much.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      I've always very, um, uh, very impressed and also very, very, like, proud of people who write books. 'Cause I know this is a, this is a fucking task, man.

   7. MKMoshe Kasher3:03

      It's an endeavor, but it's one that I like. A lot of stand-ups really don't like it, and they feel like it's homework. I, like, I... On stage, I do a, a lot of crowd work. That's kind of my thing. And this is the, like, creative opposite of crowd work.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      Mm.

   9. MKMoshe Kasher3:16

      It's, it's not just your material. It's like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Yeah.

   11. MKMoshe Kasher3:19

       It's, like, mega your material. It's like you're, you're, you're, you're a monk kind of creating a thing or whatever.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Mm.

   13. MKMoshe Kasher3:24

       Like, you should write a book.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       I have thought about it many times, and I had a deal to write one once. But as I was writing it, they were trying to get me to write it like stand-up. And they wanted me to write it in a way that, like, was funny like you'd be on stage. Like, "How much laughs would you want per minute on stage?" Which I kinda don't really think about even stand-up that much. I just try to... I cut out the bullshit. I edit things. You know, the economy of words with bits. But I don't think, like, how many laughs I have per minute. They were, like, very specific about it. And then they said, "How about this? Why don't you just transcribe your stand-up?" And I was like, "Listen. I have a very different idea of what I wanna write than you do, so I'm gonna give you your money back."

   15. MKMoshe Kasher4:07

       Yeah.

4. 4:07 – 8:12

   Joe’s obsession with pool: hustlers, gambling addicts, and a hidden subculture

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      I gave 'em, I gave 'em the money back, and I said, um, "I'm just gonna... If I'm gonna write something, I'm gonna write it on my own." And I did for a little while, and then I stopped. But it was... A lot of it... It was just like, I only have so much time to write, and I would rather write about ideas that I'm gonna do on stage. But I do have an idea about my ti-... I've been working on it a little bit lately, so I'm thinking about actually going forward with this. It's about, uh, my time when I was in my really early 20s, and I discovered pool halls.

   2. MKMoshe Kasher4:33

      Oh, yeah?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      Yeah.

   4. MKMoshe Kasher4:34

      I saw the two pool tables. I didn't know you were a big pool guy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      Yeah, I'm obsessed.

   6. MKMoshe Kasher4:37

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Yeah. If I'm not... If I'm like, for, like, my empty my brain time, I watch professional pool matches.

   8. MKMoshe Kasher4:43

      Is that right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      Yeah.

   10. MKMoshe Kasher4:44

       Oh, interesting. You like those tricks?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       A lot of my wi-... I, I watch 'em when... No, no. I hate trick shots.

   12. MKMoshe Kasher4:47

       That's bullshit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       That's bullshit.

   14. MKMoshe Kasher4:48

       Okay. Th- that's what I was gonna say.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Hey, you're setting that up. Oh, it's cool. It's cool that-

   16. MKMoshe Kasher4:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       ... you can do it, but I don't care.

   18. MKMoshe Kasher4:53

       Do you like, um, that, The Hustler?

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Y- oh, it's a great movie.

   20. MKMoshe Kasher4:56

       That's a good movie.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       That's a great movie. That's a great movie just as a movie, you know? The Col- The Color of Money is as well. But the-

   22. MKMoshe Kasher5:02

       Aren't they connected?

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Yes.

   24. MKMoshe Kasher5:03

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Same guy, Walter Tevis, who also wrote The Queen's Gambit about that, uh-

   26. MKMoshe Kasher5:08

       Oh, interesting.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       ... amazing chess player. She was-

   28. MKMoshe Kasher5:10

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       ... uh, an orphan.

   30. MKMoshe Kasher5:11

       That's right.
5. 8:12 – 18:17

   Genius applied anywhere: Jay-Z, elite athletes, discipline, and real limits

   1. MKMoshe Kasher8:12

      Well, it's like that dude in Malcolm X's autobiography, the guy that, like, he ran all the numbers in his mind and he never forgot a single one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      Hmm.

   3. MKMoshe Kasher8:19

      And Malcolm X said, like, he could have been, like, a m- a mathematical genius-

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      Right.

   5. MKMoshe Kasher8:23

      ... or a stat- statistical professor or whatever, but instead he was, like, a hustler. He used that genius to be on the streets.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:28

      Yeah. There's some people that have genius power that they apply to an art form, but they could have applied it to any... Like Jay-Z.

   7. MKMoshe Kasher8:35

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      Jay-Z doesn't write any of his lyrics.

   9. MKMoshe Kasher8:37

      Right, right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       If you read Jay-Z's lyrics, they don't seem ad lib. They seem, like, really well-structured and written, and he's got a lot of words.

   11. MKMoshe Kasher8:47

       Yeah, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words. And he's got a lot of words.

   13. MKMoshe Kasher8:50

       That's why people call me the Jay-Z of comedy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Is that why?

   15. MKMoshe Kasher8:53

       You've heard that before. You've never heard a person not say that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       I haven't heard it yet.

   17. MKMoshe Kasher8:56

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       But I believe-

   19. MKMoshe Kasher8:57

       It's coming down the pipe. It hasn't gotten here yet. You know, there's a pool hall in LA, by the way.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       Really?

   21. MKMoshe Kasher9:02

       With, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       There was almost none when I left.

   23. MKMoshe Kasher9:03

       There's one in K-Town that apparent- that you go there...

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       Oh, okay. That makes sense.

   25. MKMoshe Kasher9:07

       You go-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       A lot of Koreans play pool.

   27. MKMoshe Kasher9:08

       Yeah, you walk in-

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       Yeah.

   29. MKMoshe Kasher9:09

       ... and they're, and you walk into one of them if you're white.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Mm-hmm.
6. 18:17 – 21:24

   Crowd work as a ‘one-night gift’—and what TikTok changes about comedy

   1. MKMoshe Kasher18:17

      Totally. I had a conversation with my daughter the other day. I go... I sat her down. I go, "Okay, honey. You're funny."And with great power comes great responsibility.

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:25

      (laughs)

   3. MKMoshe Kasher18:25

      I go, "You're gonna have to figure out how to, how to, like, where the line is."

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:28

      Yes.

   5. MKMoshe Kasher18:28

      Because people who are funny, take it from me-

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:31

      Yes.

   7. MKMoshe Kasher18:31

      ... walk through the world offending people because they think they're being funny and they've gone, like, a step too far in personal interactions.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:36

      Yes.

   9. MKMoshe Kasher18:36

      I go, "That's your job now."

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       And it's also, like, when you're doing that, like, people have to understand, like, "Why could, why would you have said that?" Like, I didn't know I was going to say it while I was saying it.

   11. MKMoshe Kasher18:45

       T- completely.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       Like, there's a thing that you're doing when you're creating, specifically when you're ad libbing, where you're, uh, if you're on stage, you're ad libbing. You are literally, like, you've got these missiles that are coming into silos and you're like, "Launch it."

   13. MKMoshe Kasher18:59

       Yep, yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:59

       "Launch it. Launch it." Like, you're not even looking at the missile. It's like your mind says, "Maybe you can connect that to this, go." And sometimes it just, like, th- a s- a dud.

   15. MKMoshe Kasher19:11

       Sometimes it- Oh, and sometimes you're up on stage and you go, "Oh, I've, oh, that was the end."

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       Yeah.

   17. MKMoshe Kasher19:14

       "I wish... That, that missile-"

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:16

       Don't see it. (laughs)

   19. MKMoshe Kasher19:16

       "That missile destroyed the-"

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       "I shot myself."

   21. MKMoshe Kasher19:18

       Yeah, it destroyed-

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       (laughs)

   23. MKMoshe Kasher19:19

       ... the village and everybody in it. I've definitely had that experience. But yeah, there was that moment on my, on my id- uh, my crowd work album, Crowdsurfing, where I heard myself when I was listening back to it. I was riffing one riff, and in that riff, switched back and did the better riff. Like, that's a pretty, speaking of, like, the way the brain works-

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       Yeah.

   25. MKMoshe Kasher19:37

       ... like, that, it's like a honed, that's a honed brain that comics have.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:40

       Well, you've got that, uh, you've done that exercise over and over and over and over again, so you get, like, super comfortable in that pocket of, of crowd work. Like, Big Jay Oakerson is amazing at that.

   27. MKMoshe Kasher19:51

       One of the best, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       He's one of the best ever at that. He's just so... Andrew Schulz is as well. They're just so comfortable. There's a fucking hilarious one that Schulz just put out of, uh, he's talking to some guy in, in the audience who brought a date, and the date turns out to be a trans woman, and it's just, it's hilarious. But fun, lighthearted, positive. It's really cool. It's very skillfully done.

   29. MKMoshe Kasher20:17

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       You know? It's a sk- and it, and the whole audience loved it. It was like they loved it. It was f- it was great.
7. 21:24 – 24:38

   From pranks to plague: feces, hygiene, and why rituals can be proto-public-health

   1. MKMoshe Kasher21:24

      I saw a guy the other day, his thing is he goes to re- fine dining restaurants and screams at the top of his lungs.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:29

      Oh.

   3. MKMoshe Kasher21:29

      That's his, that's his career.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:31

      Oh my gosh.

   5. MKMoshe Kasher21:31

      That's his-

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:32

      Was he the guy that got arrested that was just dumping shit on people?

   7. MKMoshe Kasher21:35

      (laughs) Now that I respect.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:37

      He dumped a whole bucket of shit on some guy that was, like, on the train.

   9. MKMoshe Kasher21:42

      Just shit?

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       On, down his back. Yeah.

   11. MKMoshe Kasher21:45

       And then what'd he say? "Oh, it's a prank." It's like, we're past that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       Yeah, and he's a kid and, and, you know. I mean, to think-

   13. MKMoshe Kasher21:49

       That's crazy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       We were talking about it. I, um, I said, "I think it might be bioterrorism 'cause there's som- like, shit, human shit is, like, really dangerous."

   15. MKMoshe Kasher21:57

       That is definitely biohazard, for sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:59

       Yeah. Like, humans are gross. Like, our f- our fucking gut bacteria, if that gets in a cut, if human shit gets in a cut, you better wash the fuck out of that thing.

   17. MKMoshe Kasher22:07

       Talk about going viral.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       What?

   19. MKMoshe Kasher22:10

       We're going viral. This joke is landing-

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       Oh, actually.

   21. MKMoshe Kasher22:12

       exactly where I wanted it to.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:14

       You're right. Viruses.

   23. MKMoshe Kasher22:15

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       Yeah, yeah. Literally.

   25. MKMoshe Kasher22:17

       Please don't write in.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:18

       That's where plague comes from.

   27. MKMoshe Kasher22:19

       From, uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       I mean, that's the ear- ear- early days, it was, a lot of it was, like, terrible hygiene and terrible sanitation and no running water, so people were just shitting in the streets. They're shitting in buckets and throwing it on the street. There's human feces everywhere.

   29. MKMoshe Kasher22:32

       Do you know why people think perhaps the Jews didn't suffer as much in plague? Um, other than, uh, conspiracy theories that they started it during the Black Plague.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Um, there was a conspiracy theories way back then that they did it?
8. 24:38 – 32:11

   Dangerous delicacies and smart animals: oysters, octopus, crows, and falconry

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:38

      That's my favorite sushi. "Man dies after contracting vibrovulnificus bacteria from fresh oysters in Texas rest-" (gasps) It's right here.

   2. MKMoshe Kasher24:46

      Oh, shit.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:47

      Shit!

   4. MKMoshe Kasher24:47

      You're going down. No, you're good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:48

      "The consumption of raw oysters at a Texas restaurant led to an untimely death of a relatively healthy..." Relatively is a weird word for a dude in his 30s.

   6. MKMoshe Kasher24:57

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:57

      You know, like... What are we talking about here?

   8. MKMoshe Kasher24:59

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:59

      Relatively healthy, what are you trying to say?

   10. MKMoshe Kasher25:01

       It's a lot of editorial from USA Today.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:04

       Yeah.

   12. MKMoshe Kasher25:04

       It is relatively healthy, I wouldn't say...

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:05

       The man... Hold on, Jamie. The man contracted a bacterial infection known as vibrovolanicious... vola, vol, vulnificius.

   14. MKMoshe Kasher25:15

       That's my favorite techno DJ.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       (sighs) It sounds like a, a good one, like from, like Germany or somewhere, that thrives in warm coastal waters. So it's like local bacteria?

   16. MKMoshe Kasher25:25

       I think you're good though, Joe. If he died...

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       I'm, I'm definitely good.

   18. MKMoshe Kasher25:27

       And you said it's one every, every, every millionth oyster, he ate the oyster.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       It's probably more than one every million. Oh, look it, the guy lost his toes.

   20. MKMoshe Kasher25:36

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:36

       Yo.

   22. MKMoshe Kasher25:36

       Oh, this is not good.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       Yo.

   24. MKMoshe Kasher25:38

       I do not want vibrovulcanefucninus.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       Is it a sp- flesh-eating bacteria? It's one... Those are weird, you hear about those in the news every now and again. Fresh flesh eating... Ah, it is a fucking flesh-eating bacteria. Goddammit.

   26. MKMoshe Kasher25:50

       I heard of...

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       You hear about those.

   28. MKMoshe Kasher25:52

       I don't want one.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:53

       No.

   30. MKMoshe Kasher25:53

       That's my official stance on this. I heard about a, uh, a kid that ate a slug as a dare.
9. 32:11 – 35:02

   Hunting reality: game meat, gratitude, and mountain lion fear

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:11

      (smacks lips) I think elk. I think elk is the most delicious. That's my favorite.

   2. MKMoshe Kasher32:15

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:15

      But there's a lot of really good ones. Um, axis deer, which th- are very prevalent here in Texas. They're from India. They're really delicious. Yeah, but bison, bison's very delicious. But, um, they're very lean. Like, if you're gonna eat just those things, you gotta make sure you get, uh, uh, an adequate amount of fats along with them.

   4. MKMoshe Kasher32:34

      You eating moose?

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:35

      (smacks lips) I eat moose, yeah.

   6. MKMoshe Kasher32:36

      What's up with moose? Good?

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:37

      Moose is delicious, yeah. Moose is delicious.

   8. MKMoshe Kasher32:38

      Seems greasy.

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:39

      No, not at all. No, not even a little.

   10. MKMoshe Kasher32:42

       What's the worst game?

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       No, they're very lean. Um, you could get a r- a funky pig.

   12. MKMoshe Kasher32:47

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:48

       You could get a wild pig that's f-

   14. MKMoshe Kasher32:49

       I've had one of those in my life.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       I shot a wild pig that was kind of funky. A javelina, that one was odd. I ate a javelina.

   16. MKMoshe Kasher32:56

       You f- w- when you kill an animal, do you feel bad?

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:00

       I don't feel good.

   18. MKMoshe Kasher33:01

       Uh-huh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       I feel good that it's successful, but you don't feel good when you look down at the dead animal. But I don't think-

   20. MKMoshe Kasher33:07

       It's like a guilty, guilty thrill kind of?

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:09

       Well, you're thankful.

   22. MKMoshe Kasher33:10

       Right, right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       You're thankful that ... I mean, this is, it's a very, it's a very different connection with food when you've been there and harvest it and when you actually go in the wild. So it's one thing if you have a farm and you raise a cow and you kill the cow and you eat the cow. You have a connection with that food that's very different than me who just goes to a supermarket and buys a stick.

   24. MKMoshe Kasher33:32

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:33

       It's another level of that when you're going into the woods with a bow and arrow, and you're climbing mountains and you're going eight, 10 miles a day and, uh-

   26. MKMoshe Kasher33:43

       You, it's like you swoop into their universe.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:45

       100%.

   28. MKMoshe Kasher33:45

       It's like you walk through the portal into their universe-

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:47

       Yes.

   30. MKMoshe Kasher33:47

       ... and just s- b- blip them out of it.
10. 35:02 – 40:27

    Dogs, testosterone, and birth control: from German shepherds to vasectomies

    1. MKMoshe Kasher35:02

       Dude, I got a, I got a German shepherd.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:04

       Those are great dogs.

    3. MKMoshe Kasher35:05

       Well-

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:06

       They need a lot of work, though.

    5. MKMoshe Kasher35:07

       Listen, I, I was like ... I don't know if you've noticed the last few years, things have gotten a little bit weird.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:11

       Mm-hmm.

    7. MKMoshe Kasher35:11

       And I was like, "Okay, I'm on the road a lot. I know what I'll do. I'll get a German shepherd, and it'll protect my family."

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       Mm-hmm.

    9. MKMoshe Kasher35:17

       But then I entered into a negotiation with Natasha 'cause she didn't want, like, a hardcore one. So what we ended up getting was this giant fucking bitch.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:25

        (laughs)

    11. MKMoshe Kasher35:25

        I mean, it's just such a little, like, clown. It's like d- the DoorDash people come and they end up w- wearing a ski mask. It'll be like, "Well, Enchante, right this way. Come on in." Like, it-

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:34

        Oh, no.

    13. MKMoshe Kasher35:35

        They're ... So I have the, I have all of the work-

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:37

        Right.

    15. MKMoshe Kasher35:37

        ... of a German shepherd with none of the, none of the advantages.

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        Is it a male or a female?

    17. MKMoshe Kasher35:40

        It's a male.

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:41

        Is it fixed?

    19. MKMoshe Kasher35:42

        Yes.

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:42

        There you go.

    21. MKMoshe Kasher35:42

        That's my problem.

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:43

        Yeah. That's, that's a big part of it. Yeah. They don't have any testosterone.

    23. MKMoshe Kasher35:45

        Damn, I should've kept those balls. I didn't do it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:47

        Especially when they're young, if you get them real young and they're fixed. I had a dog that was fixed when he was a baby somehow or another. Like, we got him, I got him from someone else. And when I got him, I was like, "Oh, he's already fixed. He's so young." It was too young. And it, he fucked, he was kind of fucked. It fucked his development up. He had no testosterone as he was growing, which is just not good for a male dog. There's a lot of arguments that it's, look, it's irresponsible to let your dog have a bunch of puppies and then, you know, th- it's ... So if you're letting your dog out and your dog is fucking other dogs and getting them pregnant and getting pu- yeah, that's irresponsible. But my dog's not fixed, and he doesn't go out.... if he interacts with dogs, it's my friends' dogs. You know, we play in the yard. I take him for walks. He doesn't get loose to go fuck a dog. It's not irresponsible.

    25. MKMoshe Kasher36:33

        D- does he ever get to fuck?

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:35

        He's never fucked.

    27. MKMoshe Kasher36:36

        Aw.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:36

        No.

    29. MKMoshe Kasher36:37

        That's cruel in a different way.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:38

        I'm afraid he would find out about it.
11. 40:27 – 1:03:44

    Medical horror stories: wrong organs, ‘Dr. Death,’ and experimental fraud

    1. MKMoshe Kasher40:27

       Well, you know about that story of the guy, uh, who amputated the wrong limb?

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       (gasps) Yeah.

    3. MKMoshe Kasher40:33

       'Cause apparently they write in Sharpie on your limb, like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:35

       Oh, God dammit.

    5. MKMoshe Kasher40:36

       ... this one, this one off.

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:37

       Oh, Jesus-

    7. MKMoshe Kasher40:37

       And then he did the wrong one.

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:39

       ... Christ.

    9. MKMoshe Kasher40:39

       It's funny, you know, you remember that it's, like, it's just a person up there.

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:43

        I know, um, a guy whose wife had the wrong kidney removed.

    11. MKMoshe Kasher40:48

        Oh, that's crazy.

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:49

        Yeah.

    13. MKMoshe Kasher40:49

        That's dea- that's a death sentence.

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:51

        Yeah. I don't... It's just like, "What the fuck did you just do?" And the doctor did not wanna admit fault. It's so... The whole story's so crazy.

    15. MKMoshe Kasher40:59

        Was the, the kidney that was, was remain-

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:01

        The doctor didn't wanna apologize.

    17. MKMoshe Kasher41:02

        Oh, that's crazy.

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:03

        Yeah, kidney that remain was fucked.

    19. MKMoshe Kasher41:05

        It was a bad kidney, of course.

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:05

        Yeah, that was the one they were supposed to take out. They took out the good one.

    21. MKMoshe Kasher41:09

        Whoosh. Would you ever donate a kidney?

    22. JRJoe Rogan41:10

        Yeah. Yeah, I would to save someone's life. Yeah. I know people that have done it.

    23. MKMoshe Kasher41:14

        Yeah, that sounds really intense. I would be-

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:16

        Apparently, you can survive on one kidney. The, this, the liver is the craziest one. We were just talking about that the other day. If you donate half your liver to me, if you, you and I have the same blood type, within six to eight weeks, your liver will have returned to full size. And my liver that you donated, that you gave me will be full size as well.

    25. MKMoshe Kasher41:34

        It feels like they should, they could cure liver cancer by just doing elective half-a-liver-in-a-lab growth.

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:40

        Mm-hmm.

    27. MKMoshe Kasher41:41

        And then we just...

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:42

        Well, they're gonna eventually be able to do that, I would imagine. They're, they, they are already looking into some sort of reconstruction of organs. Like, to be able to create a com- completely new heart. It's made out of your own tissue, so that your body doesn't reject it.

    29. MKMoshe Kasher41:55

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:55

        You know, 'cause your body rejects other people's tissue. So, if you, uh, gave me a heart, I would have to take these crazy medication to make sure that my body didn't reject that heart.
12. 1:03:44 – 1:13:36

    The deaf world and the birth of sign language: oppression, culture, and resistance

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:44

       Then why do they think of the hearing as the enemy?

    2. MKMoshe Kasher1:03:46

       Well, that is a complicated question, and it's because, um, there has been a lot of enforced oppression on the deaf community from the, from the outside. The story of sign language is really fascinating. Um, 300 years ago, there was no sign language. There was no... There was, there was only the kind of sign... If you were born... 90% of deaf people are born into a hearing family, right? Uh, that's just the way genetics works. Like, most of the time you don't have deaf family members. And if you were born 350 years ago into one of those families, you just didn't have language. You weren't given the gift of language, which is the thing... I mean, think about how much language plays into your own life, Joe, like-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:25

       Yeah.

    4. MKMoshe Kasher1:04:26

       ... speaking and things... Everything you know, uh, every thought process you have is, is mashed through the filter of language.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:32

       Yeah.

    6. MKMoshe Kasher1:04:32

       And in that situation, you'd be born into a family and you had zero language. Uh, you would have like a gesturing system that you'd created with your dad to be able to say like, "Pass the potatoes," and that was it.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:42

       Right.

    8. MKMoshe Kasher1:04:42

       So, you-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:42

       You couldn't say how you feel. You couldn't say what you wanted to do.

    10. MKMoshe Kasher1:04:45

        You couldn't even think about how you... I mean, you could think... I, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:48

        Yeah.

    12. MKMoshe Kasher1:04:48

        I, I've never experienced that. But language is the thing that unlocks reason. It's the thing that unlocks culture.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:54

        Yeah.

    14. MKMoshe Kasher1:04:54

        And people were stymied from that. But if you were born lucky enough to have genetic deafness in your family so that you and your sibling were both users, both deaf, then the two of you sitting together could create language, a language of two, right? You would back and forth between two siblings create a, a family sign system that would enable the both of you learning from one another to create a language and enable you to reason and think and talk about how you feel, even if it was-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:23

        But you couldn't-

    16. MKMoshe Kasher1:05:24

        ... just with one person.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:24

        ... communicate with the outside world.

    18. MKMoshe Kasher1:05:26

        But at least you could communicate-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:27

        Right.

    20. MKMoshe Kasher1:05:27

        ... with yourself and with one other person. I mean, the difference between an isolated deaf person and a s- pair of siblings is the world.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:35

        Mm-hmm.

    22. MKMoshe Kasher1:05:35

        It's, it's, it's freedom. It's everything.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:37

        Right.

    24. MKMoshe Kasher1:05:37

        So, one day, a French p- priest walks along, uh, along and sees two deaf sisters signing back and forth to one another, and he goes, "That's language." Prior to that, deaf people weren't even considered to be linguistic. They weren't even considered to be, uh, capable of reason. But he goes, "No. I know what that is. I'm looking at language." So, he goes to these sisters. His name was Abbé d'Épée, and he says, "Teach me to sign." Somehow he tells them like, you know, "Teach me." He gestures to them, "Teach me to sign." They teach him to sign. And he... His thing was he wanted them to take the catechism, right? That, that he wanted them to be able to go to heaven. He realized, oh, deaf people have, are, are linguistically capable, but they can't get into heaven unless they can take the catechism and confess their faith and take communion, right? Which, right, makes sense.

Episode duration: 2:26:15