Joe Rogan Experience #2099 - Aaron Rodgers

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

Aaron Rodgers 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) And we're up, yeah, if you have to pee, that's the key to this. If you ... You can't talk when you have to pee, 'cause if you do, you're just ... You're not gonna ... Nothing's gonna come out right.

Aaron Rodgers 0:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 You're just gonna, like, be concentrating on peeing.

Aaron Rodgers 0:24 That's, like, such a good conversation. It's like, "God, I gotta pee so bad."

Joe Rogan 0:27 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 0:27 If I stop this, it ... what's gonna happen?

Joe Rogan 0:28 Yeah, I've learned. I've learned you just gotta let it go. Is it-

Aaron Rodgers 0:31 Did Ari really pee in the fucking-

Joe Rogan 0:33 Oh, always.

Aaron Rodgers 0:34 Huh.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Yeah, he p- he pees in everything.

Aaron Rodgers 0:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:35 He pees in, um, whiskey jugs. He pees in kombucha bottles. He's a psychopath.

Aaron Rodgers 0:41 It's like my buddy, AJ Hawk, he'll be doing the podcast and he's, like, just pissing in a Gatorade bottle.

Joe Rogan 0:46 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 0:46 I'm like, "How many of those you got up in the fucking attic?"

Joe Rogan 0:49 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 0:49 He's like, "Well, I stopped doing that." I'm like, "Yeah, right."

Joe Rogan 0:52 When Matt Serra was fighting in the UFC, he, uh, used to, you know, drink so much water that he would have to get up in the middle of the night to pee all the time, so he'd k- ... He'd put, like, a bucket by the side of his bed.

Aaron Rodgers 1:02 And just leaned off? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03 Yeah, he just leaned off and pissed in something. I think maybe he had a jug, like, a one-gallon empty jug he pissed into.

Aaron Rodgers 1:09 I had a teammate who would piss himself in practice and games, and then spray a bunch of water to make it like he didn't piss himself.

Joe Rogan 1:15 What? (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:15 Just so no one would tell on him.

Joe Rogan 1:16 What a psycho. (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:17 No.

Joe Rogan 1:17 That's a guy committed to winning.

Aaron Rodgers 1:19 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:21 I was like, "Oh, hey, Max is doing it again. Max is doing..." It's like, "Fuck. What is he-"

Joe Rogan 1:24 Did he let you guys know that he was doing it?

Aaron Rodgers 1:26 He ... At one point somebody's like, "What the fuck is that? Did you piss yourself?"

Joe Rogan 1:30 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:30 I was like, "Uh, yeah." Like, "How long you been doing it?" "Since college." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:35 Jesus Christ.

Aaron Rodgers 1:36 "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

Joe Rogan 1:37 He just throws water on it?

Aaron Rodgers 1:38 He just sprays ... Like, takes the water and puts it on his mouth and, like, sprays it down his-

Joe Rogan 1:42 (farts) (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:43 I'm like, "We know, Max. We know."

Joe Rogan 1:46 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:46 (laughs) "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

Joe Rogan 1:48 Fucking athletes. You have to be a fucking crazy person.

Aaron Rodgers 1:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53 You mean, especially ... I mean, your line of work. You're, you're, you're playing, like ... Other than fighting, it's the most dangerous game.

Aaron Rodgers 2:01 Yeah. Fighting is a little more dangerous.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Yeah. Fighting is more dangerous. But not necessarily. You know? Like, for overall impacts, the kind of impacts-

Aaron Rodgers 2:11 There's more concussions, though.

Joe Rogan 2:12 In fighting?

Aaron Rodgers 2:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Yeah. I would imagine. Just the, the sparring and training. That's the thing that people don't really take into consideration. How many times guys get hit in the head training. Depending on what gym they're from and how the gym operates, some guys, they go really hard in the gym. And, you know-

Aaron Rodgers 2:30 That's a lot of microconcussions.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Mm-hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 2:33 Over and over. And then if you got one-

Joe Rogan 2:34 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 2:34 ... then you get another hit.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Do you ever spend any time in hyperbaric chambers?

Aaron Rodgers 2:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:39 You do?

Aaron Rodgers 2:40 I did a bunch.

Joe Rogan 2:40 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 2:40 Yeah. I did a bunch for my rehab. It was awesome.

Joe Rogan 2:43 It does ... It helps a lot.

Aaron Rodgers 2:44 Yeah. I think so. I mean, a lot of it's, I think, anecdotal and ... But I know there's research, but it's not ... It wasn't like I felt like, "Oh, my God. I feel fucking incredible." It's like, "No, I think it's helping. Everything's helping."

Joe Rogan 2:55 Yeah. There was some research that was done in Israel about, uh, lengthening of telomeres, where they put people in this protocol. I think it was, like, a 90-day protocol where they did 60 sessions in 90 days, and it showed that they ... their telomere length increased, which was consistent to, uh, a change in age, a biological age of 20 years.

Aaron Rodgers 3:19 20?

Joe Rogan 3:19 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 3:20 I'm gonna jump in that thing when I get home. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:22 I know. (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 3:23 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 3:23 I don't know whether that ... I mean, I've talked to Peter Attia about that. He's like, "That doesn't necessarily mean you're 20 years younger. It's probably beneficial, but there's, like ..." You know, but Peter is, like, very hard-nosed, like, by-the-book science. He doesn't leave any room for fuckery.

Aaron Rodgers 3:40 Trust the science.

Joe Rogan 3:41 He was, like, late. He was late on the bandwagon for peptides. He's like, "I don't know." But now he's in, you know?

Aaron Rodgers 3:46 Good.

Joe Rogan 3:47 He's, he's very willing to accept information, but he just wants to make sure that it's absolutely accurate before he talks.

Aaron Rodgers 3:53 I respect that.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Oh, yeah. He's-

Aaron Rodgers 3:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:55 He's rock solid.

Aaron Rodgers 3:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:56 So you are how many months out since your injury?

Aaron Rodgers 4:02 Almost five.

Joe Rogan 4:03 Yeah, w- ... My wife was just here, and we were talking about how (laughs) we went to see your game. We set it up. "We're gonna go see Aaron play. He's gonna be playing the Cowboys in Dallas. Let's go." We got all pumped up and-

Aaron Rodgers 4:14 Uh, four plays later.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 4:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:16 How is it now?

Aaron Rodgers 4:17 It feels good. It feels good. I can do everything except, uh, sprint at a top speed. So, um, the cool thing is I ... uh, there were ... I really attacked the rehab the first few months and kinda wanted to go as hard as I could for two months to see where I was at, and also see where the team was at, 'cause my goal was to come back. Um, nobody has come back, uh, really quick from that injury. Uh, most of the time when it happens, especially during season, there's no need, uh, to push a rehab. Because it happened the first week of the season, I said, "You know, let's push this as hard as I can and see if I can come back in December at some point." So I kinda in my mind had circled Christmas Eve, which would have been 14 weeks post, uh, surgery. And, yeah, I worked really, really hard. I had a great surgeon, uh, who did, uh, you know, a newer process where they kinda, uh, attach, uh, anchor the, uh, uh, the sutures through the tendon back into your heel, so it allows you to get on your feet quicker. Um, I did a lot of, you know, uh, other things to, uh, speed up the rehab. I did hyperbaric chamber, uh, worked with, uh, Br- Brigham at Ways to Well, who I ... you know, I know you're very good friends with and saw him on the podcast here, and he's amazing. Um, I did some stem cells, did, uh, um, you know, full-time rehab, uh, up to eight hours a day, with, uh, you know, an incredible spot in LA and also at home doing extra stuff. Uh, my diet was rock solid. Um, a lot of bone broth, um, to increase the collagen levels, uh, to increase healing. And so I felt, you know ... I felt really, really good. I made it back on the practice field, um, at 11 weeks. Um, the way the NFL works with the IR, you can, uh, have a three-week window before they gotta make a decision, so they designate you to return. You have three weeks before you get activated. So I was hoping we'd win those three games, I could come back. Now, I couldn't sprint and still can't at top speed, but I felt like there's been times in my career where I played in a small circle and could have been able to be effective. Uh, that didn't happen.... uh, and so they, uh, didn't a- ... They activated me to the roster. I just got to practice, um, but I didn't get to play. But, uh, I feel good. You know, I'm, it, it was ... I had a lot of things working against me, my age being the biggest one, but, uh, I learned a lot about, a lot more about health, uh, which I'm sure people would love to hear about.

Joe Rogan 6:36 Yeah. Um, I mean, if you follow, like, a Ways to Well protocol, you can pretty radically speed up recovery for injuries, you know? Um, and what, what's interesting is that there's stuff that you can do that you didn't do, because it's not allowed, which is, you know, very admirable on your part, but I would- I would've fucking done it.

Aaron Rodgers 6:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:57 I would, I would've done everything. Like, let's go (laughs) . I would've gone the full Conor McGregor route. But, um, when you do ... How do they determine whether or not you're fully healed? Do they do an MRI and check the tissue and-

Aaron Rodgers 7:10 Yeah, we were doing the ultrasounds actually for a while, just to see what type of blood flow we were getting to the area. Um, we didn't actually do a- another MRI. If I had been, uh, activated with the intent to play, I think just for safety for everybody, we probably would've done another MRI just to see the integrity, structural integrity of the tendon. Um, but really it was about how I felt, you know, and I was able to, to do all the quarterback stuff, um, move in the pocket, um, throw, uh, step into my foot. I could actually, you know, jog to slightly faster than I jog, to move and throw. Um, all things I kinda showed in practice the last few weeks of the season.

Joe Rogan 7:49 What happens over that if you speed it up a little? Do you just feel pain? Do you feel like-

Aaron Rodgers 7:53 I, so I don't have the explosion. I don't have the ability to kinda, um, get up on my toe. The, the biggest, uh, hurdle was just single leg calf strength, like being able to-

Joe Rogan 8:05 Hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 8:05 ... from a standing position shift my weight onto the single leg and do a heel raise.

Joe Rogan 8:09 Hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 8:10 Um, that t- that's how you know you're ready to run, 'cause you run on your ... We athletes play on their toes, you know, so I need to be able to, to do that. Now, I could get around that by subtle movements in the pocket. But there was multiple times throughout my career where I had lower leg injuries in '14 and '18 especially where I was able to play in a small circle. In '14, I ripped my calf up pretty bad and was able to kinda play in the shotgun and the pistol, um, for a stretch of time and be effective. In '18, I banged my knee up in the, uh, f- second drive of the game, uh, you know, tore my MCL, had a, um, a, you know, a, a fracture on the lateral side, and was able to play, uh, for a while, uh, in, mostly in the shotgun until that healed up. But, so I knew I could do it. I wanted to show I could play under center, which I did, uh, in practice, but, um, you know, we just were out of it, so, so I didn't come back.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Well, it seems like it's the smartest move at your age to make sure it's 100%. Like, the, like, I've seen a lot of athletes come back, particularly from ACL injuries, with fighters that come back too soon and it pops again.

Aaron Rodgers 9:15 Yeah. I, I, I totally agree with that on, on many levels. But then there's the competitor part where I see that, uh, that window closing.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Mm-hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 9:25 And, um, there's not many guys who've been ... who've played as long as I have. There's a few. Obviously Tom did it for a long time, but, you know, there's kind of an age where Father Time is, is winning and I know that, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm on the last couple of holes of my career, so I'm, I'm, didn't wanna miss an entire season.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Are you 36 now?

Aaron Rodgers 9:45 I'm 40.

Joe Rogan 9:46 40.

Aaron Rodgers 9:46 Thank you though. Actually, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:47 You look 36.

Aaron Rodgers 9:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:49 What is, uh, what is like the old- Is Tom the oldest that people have played?

Aaron Rodgers 9:53 I think Tom was 45 his last year.

Joe Rogan 9:55 Oh, wow.

Aaron Rodgers 9:56 There was, there were some kickers that played about as long.

Joe Rogan 9:59 That's crazy.

Aaron Rodgers 9:59 Yeah, 45 is-

Joe Rogan 10:00 45 is crazy.

Aaron Rodgers 10:00 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 10:01 That's crazy, 'cause if you hear about a fighter that's 45, you're like, "Is this ..."

Aaron Rodgers 10:05 You hear about a fighter in their late 30s, it's kinda like, "Hmm."

Joe Rogan 10:08 Mm-hmm. It's happened to ... The juicy days. The juicy days of the UFC, there were some guys that they competed really well, like deep into their 30s.

Aaron Rodgers 10:15 Well, there's still some guys that are, that are late, late 30s.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Yo, Romero is the best example of that.

Aaron Rodgers 10:21 He ... Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. I mean ...

Joe Rogan 10:22 But he's the freak of all freaks.

Aaron Rodgers 10:24 Dude, that's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:24 They need to study that guy in a lab.

Aaron Rodgers 10:26 I know. (laughs) I think you've said that before.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Yeah. Well, I, I've told the story so many times people get annoyed if I bring it up, but-

Aaron Rodgers 10:31 I don't care. Bring it up.

Joe Rogan 10:32 The UFC brought him to a doctor and the doctor's like, "Where did you get this guy?" And they're like, "He's, he's awesome, right?" And they're like, "No, no, no, you don't understand. Like, he ... I've never seen a human being that's built like him." They said that his, the tendon in his eyes were three times larger than a normal person's. His, uh, eye fracture, he had an orbital fracture, it was already healing by the time they were bringing him in to the doctor. They're like, "This guy is just a freak." By the way, his neck-

Aaron Rodgers 10:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:55 ... is completely fused, so if you see when he runs-

Aaron Rodgers 10:58 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 10:58 ... his neck is completely stiff. His neck is totally fused, and that's some shit they did in Cuba, like when he broke his neck. So he's got-

Aaron Rodgers 11:07 This is nice, Jamie. This is, you guys ... This is new, huh, this whole setup?

Joe Rogan 11:11 Nah. Uh-

Aaron Rodgers 11:11 No, no. It's always been like this. That's really nice.

Joe Rogan 11:14 But, I mean, he didn't even get into the UFC, I think he was like 36 or 37 when he fought his first fights in the UFC, and he's still fighting at a world-class level.

Aaron Rodgers 11:21 Didn't he fight when he ... Didn't he rip his knee up and, and keep fighting?

Joe Rogan 11:26 I don't know.

Aaron Rodgers 11:27 I thought he had like a ligament damage and kept fighting. Maybe that's somebody else.

Joe Rogan 11:31 I don't know. He, he's probably one of those guys that if he did, he wouldn't tell you.

Aaron Rodgers 11:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:35 You know. That Cuban athletic program that he talked about i- ... It was a fun podcast, 'cause I did it with him and Joey Diaz, so he would talk in Spanish and Joey Diaz would translate it.

Aaron Rodgers 11:44 (laughs) Nice.

Joe Rogan 11:45 Uh, but occasionally he would talk in English, but he was like, "They turn you into a machine."

Aaron Rodgers 11:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:50 He was talking about the, the Cuban program, like, if you're competing for Cuba, if you're on the elite team, you eat three times a day. If you're not on the elite team, you eat twice a day.

Aaron Rodgers 11:59 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:00 Yeah. Yeah. You sleep in better places, you have better food, and so he's like, so the competition is just intense.

Jamie Vernon 12:09 That one?

Joe Rogan 12:10 Broken leg and KO win over Luke Rockhold. He broke his leg? Jesus Christ.

Aaron Rodgers 12:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 12:16 He broke his leg when he won? Huh.

Aaron Rodgers 12:19 Broke his shin, is that what it said?

Jamie Vernon 12:20 I don't know.

Aaron Rodgers 12:22 ... yeah, police broke his shin after he checked the kick.

Joe Rogan 12:23 Suffering what he believes is a broken leg. Huh.

Aaron Rodgers 12:26 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 12:27 Interesting. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 12:29 There's some good fights coming up, though.

Joe Rogan 12:31 Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's some great fights coming up. The Volkanovski, Ilia Topuria fight, that's in next week. That's a big one. That's a big one. That guy, Ilia Topuria, is fucking terrifying. That guy's an animal.

Aaron Rodgers 12:43 Yeah, but so is Volk.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Oh, yeah. No, he is. But it's like, for Volkanovski, like, I really would've wished he hadn't taken that second fight-

Aaron Rodgers 12:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:51 ... with, uh, Islam on such short notice. To fight a guy like that with no training on 10 days notice just seems crazy. And then to get head kicked like that, it's just like (inhales through teeth) ... Ooh. But then there's Robert Whitaker and Paulo Costa-

Aaron Rodgers 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 ... Geoff Neal, and Ian Machado-Gary. That's a big fight too. Those are good fights, really good.

Aaron Rodgers 13:07 Where is it? That's in Anaheim. Nice.

Joe Rogan 13:09 Mm-hmm. Merab and Henry Cejudo.

Aaron Rodgers 13:10 Are you doing that fight?

Joe Rogan 13:11 Yes, sir. I mean, it's one of the rare times I go back to that communist shithole-

Aaron Rodgers 13:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:16 ... commonly known as California.

Aaron Rodgers 13:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:18 That fucking place is so crazy. You know, you can't get these... I had a friend of mine, my friend Moshe was here the other day, and he's like, "Oh, you have flavored nicotine-"

Aaron Rodgers 13:26 Can't get flavored out there.

Joe Rogan 13:27 You can't get flavored nicotine.

Aaron Rodgers 13:29 Yep.

Joe Rogan 13:30 Imagine. You can't get flavored nicotine.

Aaron Rodgers 13:33 I think it's 'cause of the, uh, the vaping, right? They wanna cut down the vape.

Joe Rogan 13:36 What the fuck? What does that mean?

Aaron Rodgers 13:38 I don't...

Joe Rogan 13:39 The, what does that mean? I'm a grown man. You're telling me that I can go buy whiskey, but I can't get flavored nicotine? Like, what are you doing? Like, they just can't wait to put more controls on people in any way, shape, or form. They're trying to outlaw internal combustion engines by 2035. No new sales.

Aaron Rodgers 13:57 Smart. Yeah, smart.

Joe Rogan 13:58 Guess what, you fucks? Every time the power's, like in the, in the summertime, they tell people not to charge their cars, 'cause the grid's gonna go down. Like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna do a radical upheaval of the grid in 11 years? No, you're not.

Aaron Rodgers 14:10 I'm sure Newsom can get it done.

Joe Rogan 14:12 Yeah. They're just talking. They just, it's like literally every goal is just say the right things, check the right boxes so people think you're green. You're green and you're all DEI'd out, and then they don't, they don't care about the infrastructure of the country. It's fucking crazy.

Aaron Rodgers 14:28 No, they don't care at all. They, they definitely don't care at all. It's, it's control.

Joe Rogan 14:33 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 14:33 They just want control, they want total control. And, but see that's-

Joe Rogan 14:37 But when you live in a place like this, you realize how much A, it's control, and B, it doesn't change anything. You don't, you're not safer-

Aaron Rodgers 14:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:44 ... when they do it like that. Like, you're better off here.

Aaron Rodgers 14:47 Well, Texas has its own grid.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Yes, that's true too.

Aaron Rodgers 14:50 As well.

Joe Rogan 14:50 And Texas provides oil to much of the country. This is a, like, Texas could be its own country, and there's a lot of real psychos who want it to be (laughs) .

Aaron Rodgers 15:00 (laughs) You're one of them?

Joe Rogan 15:00 No.

Aaron Rodgers 15:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:02 No. No, I still believe in the United States. I'm, I'm a patriot. I still believe in America. I just don't believe in politicians, and I think they have to figure out a way to extract money from politics. They have to do two things, two things that'd fix a lot. They have to stop congresspeople from being able to fuck an insider trade. That shit is insane. When you see the fact these people are making $170,000-

Aaron Rodgers 15:23 Nancy's incredible.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Oh. Oh, she's-

Aaron Rodgers 15:24 She's great at it, man. She's, she's amazing.

Joe Rogan 15:25 She's amazing. She's a wizard at it. But it's not just her. If you look at the chart, that's the thing about it is they all kind of keep their mouths shut, because if you look at the real numbers, it's pretty much divided between Republicans and Democrats.

Aaron Rodgers 15:35 It's both sides. It's definitely both sides.

Joe Rogan 15:36 Yeah, it's both. Both sides are doing it. But that's e- that's crazy. They put Martha Stewart in jail for way less. Martha Stewart (laughs) . They put Martha Stewart-

Aaron Rodgers 15:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:46 ... America's mom, they put her in jail for insider trading, and yet these congresspeople are completely exempt from it. And-

Aaron Rodgers 15:53 But it wasn't them, right? It was their significant other. I'm sure they weren't sharing any information.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Some of it's them.

Aaron Rodgers 15:58 Some of it is them.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Oh yeah, it's them.

Aaron Rodgers 16:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Yeah, they're, they know what bills are gonna be passed. They buy a shitload of stock, and they pass these bills, and then this, whatever industry is goes up, and they make enormous profits. There's people that are making 150, 170, $200,000 a year, and they're worth $90 million. In any other business, you would be investigated.

Aaron Rodgers 16:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:21 And if you were a fucking plumber and you were making $190,000 a year and you were worth hundreds of millions of dollars, people would go, "What the fuck are you doing, Ted?" You know, they would crawl up your ass with a microscope. "Where the fuck did you get this money? How do you know all these things? Like, where are you getting this data?"

Aaron Rodgers 16:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:37 "How are you able to do this?" Oh, you pass the laws, you pass the laws that changes the value of these companies, and then you gamble on that? That's what you're doing?

Aaron Rodgers 16:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:49 You're going to jail. You're going to jail. Like that, that should be illegal, because you're gonna do things to profit that are above and be- that, that are ahead. You're gonna put that ahead of the better good of the United States. You're going to. They all do.

Aaron Rodgers 17:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 17:06 Of course. So that's one. What's the other one?

Joe Rogan 17:08 Th- they gotta take money outta politics. They gotta take th- the amount of donations that Super PACs and these, these special interest groups are allowed to give to these politicians, and then are completely beholden to them once they get into office. They have to figure out a way to stop that. I mean, it's, it should've never been allowed in the first place. Another thing would be b- get back on the gold standard. That would be a great move too, but that's too late.

Aaron Rodgers 17:31 But JFK was trying to do that.

Joe Rogan 17:33 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 17:33 Silver standard.

Joe Rogan 17:34 Yeah. Guess what they did to him?

Aaron Rodgers 17:36 Hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 17:38 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 17:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:39 (laughs) So you see Bobby Kennedy out there. They won't even give him Secret Service protection-

Aaron Rodgers 17:44 Secret Service.

Joe Rogan 17:44 ... which is just fucking egregious. It's so wild. They won't give him Se- he's the only presidential candidate ever that's been denied Secret Service protection.

Aaron Rodgers 17:53 Three times, I think, already.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 17:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 It's just, they're so fucking corrupt.

Aaron Rodgers 17:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:59 And they're so in your face with it, and no one does anything about it.

Aaron Rodgers 18:02 You had Bobby on the, on the podcast.

Joe Rogan 18:03 Yes, I did.

Aaron Rodgers 18:04 Yeah. What'd you think of him?

Joe Rogan 18:05 I love him.

Aaron Rodgers 18:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:06 I lo- I love, well, look it, if... Forget about the vaccine stuff, which, uh, like I think he's got very good points about all that stuff. It's, there's real data, and if you read his book-

Aaron Rodgers 18:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:15 If you read The Real Anthony Fauci, you will be sick to your stomach if you know the absolute truth.

Aaron Rodgers 18:19 Sick.

Joe Rogan 18:19 And if it wasn't truth, if it wasn't truth-

Aaron Rodgers 18:22 He'd be getting sued.

Joe Rogan 18:22 He'd be sued.

Aaron Rodgers 18:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:23 He's not getting sued for a fucking reason. Um, but just that alone.... but then if you forget about the vaccine stuff, just look at his environmental record, what he did when he was an environmental attorney, when he was suing these companies that were-

Aaron Rodgers 18:33 Suing EPA. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:33 Yeah. I mean-

Aaron Rodgers 18:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:34 ... he fu- they cleaned up the Hudson River because of him.

Aaron Rodgers 18:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:37 He's an amazing guy. I lo- I really love him. And the things that he's been saying about what, what happened during the pandemic, you know, he, he had some talk that he did recently, some, uh, speech, some, uh, conversation he did recently that was public, where he was talking about this is, we're being poisoned by food and this is why everybody got so sick from COVID. The disparity between people who got COVID and it was just a cold, versus people who got COVID and they were deadly ill, is 100% what they're eating and what that does to their body, and how it compromises their immune system and how it causes comorbidities like diabetes, type two diabetes, and obesity, and heart disease. It's, this is, this is all a direct relationship to food.

Aaron Rodgers 19:20 But there's no money in, in, uh, in healing people. You know, the chronic disease, that's, it's a huge moneymaker.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 19:25 And it's not gonna change. I was watching something the other day with, uh, with, uh, Tucker Carlson was interviewing somebody named, uh, Calley Means. I don't know if you saw this. But he's talking about-

Joe Rogan 19:35 Ozempic.

Aaron Rodgers 19:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:37 Yes. I did see that. Yeah, we were talking about it yesterday.

Aaron Rodgers 19:39 But one of the big points that he made that, that people, I think, forget is that why are these drug companies, big pharma, um, spending so much money on advertisements during the news is not to sell their products. They don't have a problem with that. It's to control the messaging.

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yes.

Aaron Rodgers 19:54 I mean, they are fucking controlling the message.

Joe Rogan 19:57 For sure.

Aaron Rodgers 19:57 So if, if somebody went after them and said, "Hey, you're not gonna be allowed to advertise on TV anymore," 'cause I think we're one of the only countries, maybe there's one other country-

Joe Rogan 20:06 New Zealand's the only other country.

Aaron Rodgers 20:07 Okay, so there's two countries. It would be, you know, they would be attacked for anti-science or-

Joe Rogan 20:12 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 20:12 ... or whatever it might be. What, what RFK wants to do, um, you know, kind of the dismantling or the re, uh, forming, realigning of the CDC and NIH and some of these alphabet companies who have been, uh, lying and misleading the public for so long. You know, he would get absolutely slaughtered by, by the media. Why? B- not because they actually believe that, but because who's paying them?

Joe Rogan 20:37 Yes.

Aaron Rodgers 20:37 It's those companies. So they control the message. So when, when you come out and talk about, you know, what you use to heal yourself during COVID, or when I come out and, and talk about, or Dr. Peter McCullough, or Robert Malone, or insert anybody who was just trying-

Joe Rogan 20:51 Peter Corey.

Aaron Rodgers 20:53 ... to bring ... Peter Corey. They get absolutely railroaded-

Joe Rogan 20:54 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 20:54 ... and censored, and silenced, and attacked-

Joe Rogan 20:56 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 20:57 ... and slandered.

Joe Rogan 20:58 It's n- I mean, it's not the news. It's corporate-controlled. It's completely controlled. And it's, it's not good for us. And the fact that people went along with it because they thought ideologically that that group of people aligned with their side, and the other side was Donald Trump, and the MAGA, and the vaccine deniers, and all, all the craziness that they attributed to that, I mean, it's really kind of brilliant the way they've pushed this propaganda. But at the end of the day, it's not beneficial to, to the greater good of society. If the, if the media was legitimate, they would be talking about one of the biggest crisises that's happening in this country right now, which is a massive increase in all cause mortality.

Aaron Rodgers 21:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:37 It's a massive increase and they are completely silent on it. It's, like in some age groups, it's a 40 plus percent increase in all cause mortality, heart attacks, strokes, cancer. Gee, what, what do you think happened that changed, where all of a sudden there's this massive increase and it coincides with something else? Don't you think maybe they would investigate that? Wouldn't, don't you think that like you would have some sort of investigative reporter that dives deep into this and gets to the bottom of it? No. They can't-

Aaron Rodgers 22:04 Because they're captured.

Joe Rogan 22:04 ... because of what you said. Because they're captured. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 22:05 They're captured. They're totally captured, 100%. And yeah, it's just-

Joe Rogan 22:09 It's money.

Aaron Rodgers 22:09 ... on and on and on through this whole thing. My, my thing is this, is, you know, all of us who have been attacked for our position, to all those people, what do you think the fucking motivation is?

Joe Rogan 22:20 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 22:21 I mean, uh, you know, just look at my own situation. Like, I lost friends, allies in the media, millions of dollars in sponsorship, because I talked about what worked for me and my own beliefs, and my own health reasons why I didn't get vaccinated.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Oh, by the way, you were right.

Aaron Rodgers 22:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:41 You were right. Look, you didn't need it. Look how quickly you recovered. You're fine.

Aaron Rodgers 22:46 And same with you.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 22:47 And what did they do? They changed the color of your face.

Joe Rogan 22:50 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 22:51 They, (laughs) they vilified all early treatments-

Joe Rogan 22:53 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 22:53 ... including a medicine that's, has one of the safest profiles-

Joe Rogan 22:57 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 22:57 ... out there, that the, the g- we've talked about this, the guy who invented it got a Nobel Prize.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Nobel Prize. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 23:02 They were using it all over the world, in Uttar Pradesh-

Joe Rogan 23:04 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 23:04 ... in Africa, in various places.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Oh, yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 23:07 And that's what you do during a pandemic, right? You find ways to repurpose drugs-

Joe Rogan 23:10 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 23:10 ... for early treatments. But no, they couldn't do that-

Joe Rogan 23:12 Especially-

Aaron Rodgers 23:12 ... 'cause if there's an early treatment, then they can't get the UA or they can't fucking do this.

Joe Rogan 23:15 ... drugs that have been proven to have anti-viral properties.

Aaron Rodgers 23:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:18 I mean-

Aaron Rodgers 23:18 But what's the motivation for Peter McCullough, who got vilified? What's the motivation for Robert Malone, like ... ?

Joe Rogan 23:22 Well, if you know Peter McCullough, Peter McCullough is like, that guy has standards and morals and ethics.

Aaron Rodgers 23:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:27 I mean, he is a rock solid d- rock solid guy.

Aaron Rodgers 23:29 And he actually treated patients too.

Joe Rogan 23:31 Actually treated patients. He's also the most published doctor in history-

Aaron Rodgers 23:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:36 ... in his particular field of study.

Aaron Rodgers 23:39 But like, what's, what do, what is the, the conspiracy on that about motivation? Like, what do I get out of this? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:45 Yeah. Well-

Aaron Rodgers 23:45 What do you get out of, out of sharing what you shared?

Joe Rogan 23:47 Well, I didn't think anything was gonna happen. Uh, when, when the, it happened with me, I knew that people were upset at me 'cause I was hesitant to take the vaccine, but that was because two people I knew got strokes.

Aaron Rodgers 23:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:56 I wasn't initially hesitant at all. I was set up to take it. I was set up to take it by the UFC.

Aaron Rodgers 24:01 By UFC. Yeah, I remember you said that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:02 Yeah. I was ready to do it. I was like, "Okay, shoot me up." I was gonna have them do it to me. I thought of it like a flu shot. Like, uh, if I was about to do the UFC and they said, "Oh, you have to take a flu shot before you go to the UFC," I'm like, "All right, just stick me." I didn't think it was gonna be a big deal. And then they, they said, "Well, in two weeks when you're back, just come early and you'll come to the clinic." I said, "Okay, we'll do that." And then within that two weeks, it got pulled.

Aaron Rodgers 24:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:23 Luckily.... you know, but i- it's not just those two guys. I know a lot of people now with s- pretty severe vaccine injuries.

Aaron Rodgers 24:30 So do I.

Joe Rogan 24:31 And so many people have reached out to me because of what happened to me, celebrities that wanted to be quiet about it, you know, people that are, like, really hesitant about talking about it openly and publicly. But they were d- really scared, like, people that have, like, real serious problem. I have f- two friends that have pacemakers now.

Aaron Rodgers 24:47 Yeah, I remember we talked about that.

Joe Rogan 24:48 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 24:48 They, they're, like, one of them's in their 30s, right?

Joe Rogan 24:50 Yeah. He's a, uh, a dentist.

Aaron Rodgers 24:52 That's not fucking normal.

Joe Rogan 24:53 No, it's not normal-

Aaron Rodgers 24:54 It's not normal at all.

Joe Rogan 24:54 ... for your heart to stop for nine seconds at a time. He's a thin, healthy, young guy, and all of a sudden, his heart starts fucking up.

Aaron Rodgers 25:01 Why does nobody care about that?

Joe Rogan 25:02 Well, everyone's scared. There's people that are scared because they took it and they're worried that they have a ticking time bomb and they want any information, any information that refutes that and that confirms that they made the right choice. Also, they did make the right choice morally and ethically when they did it. They did it because they thought they were doing the right thing. Everybody has to do it. We're gonna protect everyone. If we all do this, this is gonna get us out of the pandemic. Because the news media was being used by these pharmaceutical drug companies to push a very specific narrative, and they didn't do any critical thinking, they didn't step outside the box, they didn't talk to any scientists that differed. They all just stuck with whatever Fauci said, whatever the NIH said, and they also demonized people who were saying things that have been proven to be absolutely correct, like the fucking lab leak theory. If you brought up the lab leak theory, you used to get banned from YouTube. Now it's widely accepted by everyone. Everyone.

Aaron Rodgers 25:59 So was all the, all the conspiracies that, that got people censored and kicked off-

Joe Rogan 26:04 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 26:04 ... so many of them have been proven to be true.

Joe Rogan 26:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 26:07 And I agree with you, so many people thought they were doing the right thing.

Joe Rogan 26:09 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 26:09 They thought, "I'm doing my part. This is what we're supposed to do."

Joe Rogan 26:12 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 26:12 "Two ways to stop the spread," you know, to, you know-

Joe Rogan 26:14 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 26:15 ... "I'm, I'm full on board."

Joe Rogan 26:16 We're all together.

Aaron Rodgers 26:17 But let's look at what happened. And people are always like, "Why do you keep fucking bringing up the vaccine?" For multiple reasons. But listen, this is a playbook that now we have.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Right.

Aaron Rodgers 26:25 For the next time they fucking try and do this shit.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Right.

Aaron Rodgers 26:27 Don't forget about this.

Joe Rogan 26:28 Well, they're talking-

Aaron Rodgers 26:29 Don't forget abou-

Joe Rogan 26:29 ... about disease X now.

Aaron Rodgers 26:30 Disease X.

Joe Rogan 26:30 What is that? When was the last time they were talking about a disease that doesn't exist, that's not affecting anybody, that's, that literally there's no one sick, there's no one dying, and they're talking about how it's coming?

Aaron Rodgers 26:41 Well, just watch what Bill Gates does, because last time he invested $50 million in, in a, in a company-

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 26:46 ... he made a pretty good score, and then he pulled all his money out.

Joe Rogan 26:49 And then he started disparaging the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Aaron Rodgers 26:51 After he pulled his money out, though.

Joe Rogan 26:53 After he pulled his money out, and he also started saying the va- that the virus wasn't as bad as we thought it was.

Aaron Rodgers 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Oh, gee, how convenient.

Aaron Rodgers 27:00 Yeah, what happened to the flu?

Joe Rogan 27:01 Yeah. Flu went away. (blows kiss) Whoo.

Aaron Rodgers 27:04 Zero cases.

Joe Rogan 27:04 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 27:06 It's crazy. I mean ...

Joe Rogan 27:07 It is pretty crazy.

Aaron Rodgers 27:08 But we can't, we cannot forget about what happened-

Joe Rogan 27:11 No.

Aaron Rodgers 27:11 ... because this is what they're gonna do next time.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Well, the big loser in, in this, besides the people that lost their jobs and l- their businesses closed and people lost their lives, the big loser has been mainstream media. Because the trust in mainstream media is at an all-time low. I mean, they are laying off journalists left and right, no one wants to read the newspaper anymore, no one believes them. CNN lost all their big hosts. I- it's like they lost, but-

Aaron Rodgers 27:41 And they lost their streaming service.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Yeah. Well, that was, that was hilarious.

Aaron Rodgers 27:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:45 They dumped money into something to get people to pay for something that no one wants for free.

Aaron Rodgers 27:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:50 And it was like, "Anderson Cooper's Book Club." Like, "What the fuck are you doing?" (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 27:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:54 "Who's ... If I was, if I was a shareholder at CNN-"

Aaron Rodgers 27:57 "How much? Only $10 a month? Okay." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:59 Yeah. I was like, "What the fuck are you guys doing?" Do you really think anybody's gonna pay for CNN?

Aaron Rodgers 28:04 No.

Joe Rogan 28:04 Like, what are you offering?

Aaron Rodgers 28:05 Nobody watches now that Trump's not on, uh ...

Joe Rogan 28:07 No.

Aaron Rodgers 28:07 I mean, th- the numbers they get are so small. That's why, you know, it's p- it's platforms like this that are actually bringing-

Joe Rogan 28:12 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 28:12 ... the information that people want to watch. Instead of watching the fucking news like people used to trust in, you know, their six o'clock nightly news and, "I'm gonna get this story." You know, there's no more Walter Cronkites out there.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Right.

Aaron Rodgers 28:22 There's, it's, it's, it's long-form conversations that are actually informing people on what's going on.

Joe Rogan 28:27 It's that and it's people steering you to legitimate journalists that are independent. The Michael Shellenbergers, the Glenn Greenwalds, the, uh, the people that are experts in their field, the Brett Weinsteins, the people that actually know what they're talking about. But it's just a weird landscape that we're in now that thi- didn't exist before, where we don't... We- we- we're absolutely sure that you can't trust the mainstream media anymore. We're absolutely sure of that. And even boomers know that now. Even the people that have been trusting the mainstream media their whole life, they're like, "Well, there are definitely ... Something's wrong." They don't know what it is-

Aaron Rodgers 28:57 Brought to you by Pfizer.

Joe Rogan 28:58 ... but something's wrong. Yeah. Co- oh, that was ... Those were amazing-

Aaron Rodgers 29:00 (laughs) Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 29:01 ... those compilations. Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer.

Aaron Rodgers 29:05 I was watching the playoff game the other day and it said, uh, you know, "NFL Football, brought to you by Pfizer." I was like, "Yeah, I knew that."

Joe Rogan 29:13 Yikes.

Aaron Rodgers 29:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:14 Yeah. Well, they made a lot of money and they'd like to do that again, you know, and that's what you have to be really careful about. But what they're doing that again now with is Ozempic. And they're making a shitload of money off of this drug that essentially paralyzes your fucking stomach. It- it slows your body's ability to digest, it causes a host of gastrointestinal issues for some people, all sorts of weird side effects. People have died taking it. And they're pushing it and they're pushing it even on kids. They're- it's like a primary weight loss strategy for obesity. Instead of dietary change, instead of realizing, like, you gotta get better the same way you got sick. How'd you get sick? You took a bunch of bad food. You got ... Here's how you get better. Eat only good food, you know? See how you got fat?

Aaron Rodgers 29:58 Exercise.

Joe Rogan 29:59 You had too many calories? This is how you l- you gotta lose weight, so you have to have less calories in than you're burning, and you gotta exercise, and you got ... How about start drinking water? Stop drinking soda. We, we had this chart up yesterday of, uh, how many people o- on food stamps buy soda. Like, how much of food stamps is, uh, spent on soda. It's fucking crazy. It's like, poor people just drinking poison, drinking sugary poison.

Aaron Rodgers 30:23 But see, that's part of the, the problem too. You look at not just what they pushed or what they closed down during the, the, the lockdowns. You know, you had, uh, what was open, you had fast food restaurants open.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 30:33 Like, you had fucking processed food places open, but, but the food that's actually the best for you oftentimes is the most expensive.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 30:42 So, you have to find a way to, whether it's doing all-out, you know, tariffs on certain, extra taxes on certain types of products or, you know, I don't know how you're gonna change the farming system, uh, especially with Bill Gates being one of the biggest farm landowners there, and he's pushing, you know, insects and, uh, his, uh, uh, what's it called? A peel thing that he's putting on all the-

Joe Rogan 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 31:05 ... all the fruit and stuff. But the problem is that, that in order to eat healthier, you have to spend more money because-

Joe Rogan 31:11 Well, what's-

Aaron Rodgers 31:11 ... the shitty food is the, is the least expensive.

Joe Rogan 31:13 What scares the shit out of me is what they're doing to farmers in Europe, like the Dutch farmers.

Aaron Rodgers 31:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Like, and then in Ireland, they're telling farmers that they have to kill cows because they have too many cows and they're contributing to the, the global warming.

Aaron Rodgers 31:24 See, the guy at the, I think he was in Congress, he was interviewing somebody and asking these, you know, climate change people about, uh, how much CO2 is-

Joe Rogan 31:33 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 31:33 ... you know, and, and, and-

Joe Rogan 31:34 They don't know.

Aaron Rodgers 31:34 ... they're way off.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Yeah, they're way off.

Aaron Rodgers 31:36 And, and-

Joe Rogan 31:36 And they're making the decisions.

Aaron Rodgers 31:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:38 And they, they, they literally are just... It's completely ideological. The ideological battle, the demon that you're fighting is climate change, and we must do something to stop climate change. Meanwhile, India and China aren't doing a fucking thing.

Aaron Rodgers 31:53 No.

Joe Rogan 31:53 And they're contributing to most of it. Literally most of the carbon that's being released, like if you look at the amount of fucking coal plants that China has, they're opening up new ones. They have hundreds of them in construction.

Aaron Rodgers 32:05 Wasn't that the whole point of the, the... What was it? In Paris, they had some sort of-

Joe Rogan 32:09 Climate accord.

Aaron Rodgers 32:10 Yeah. And, but it wasn't taking effect or there was different rules for other countries-

Joe Rogan 32:15 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 32:15 ... that we had to adhere to something that nobody else was adhering to.

Joe Rogan 32:18 It's control. And-

Aaron Rodgers 32:19 But that's what we've been doing for the last... If you look at... I saw some, some, uh, you know, something on, uh, on X about, like, what they were telling us in the '60s and the '70s and the '80s.

Joe Rogan 32:27 Mm-hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 32:27 The world was always gonna end based on something, you know, and they... And now, it's, it's this climate change. We gotta change the, you know, the way we live in order for us to keep going. It's like, they've been doing this for the last five decades.

Joe Rogan 32:38 They would like to control the fo- the food system, and there's a tremendous amount of money in controlling the food system. And if they could get you to only buy their food and they can convince you that their food is somehow or another... Emits less carbon and, and come up with some fucking Hollywood math that shows you that this is the only way to do it and this is the way out of this.

Aaron Rodgers 33:00 Well, I just learned something, uh, online that if you grow your own food, actually, your carbon footprint is, uh, much greater than, uh (laughs) ...

Joe Rogan 33:08 (laughs) I posted that on my Instagram.

Aaron Rodgers 33:10 I know (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 33:10 And it got fact-checked.

Aaron Rodgers 33:11 Oh, it's Instagram. That's right.

Joe Rogan 33:12 It got fact-checked.

Aaron Rodgers 33:13 No shit.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yeah, not a... I don't see the fact-check, but if someone goes to my page and sees that, it says something about, like, "partially true" or "not." Like, listen, it's a fucking article that was in whatever newspaper it was that I saw, and I was like, "This is hilarious." Like, they're t- How is it even possible?

Aaron Rodgers 33:32 How fucking crazy is that?

Joe Rogan 33:33 How is it even possible that it emits more carbon? You're literally growing plants in the ground which take carbon dioxide and convert them to oxygen.

Aaron Rodgers 33:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:44 That's all you're doing. You don't have any heavy machinery. You're growing your own food. So, you just got a little garden? So, you growing your own food-

Aaron Rodgers 33:51 Don't do it, Joe.

Joe Rogan 33:51 ... releases more carbon.

Aaron Rodgers 33:52 Do not do it.

Joe Rogan 33:53 I don't even know how they did the math. Like, how the fuck did they even say that? I d- What does it say if you go to my page- I don't see it. ... and it says it's fact-checked? I don't see a fact-check. Oh, it's definitely fact-checked. I just checked. My wife showed it to me. I know, I'm just saying. I, I didn't see it. I just checked on my phone, too. I don't see it. Well, maybe they took it down because people freaked out.

Aaron Rodgers 34:10 Yeah, there it is. Five times greater.

Joe Rogan 34:12 Boo! How's it possible?

Aaron Rodgers 34:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:14 You're literally growing something that takes oxygen and puts it out into the air. It converts carbon dioxide to oxygen through photosynthesis. That's literally what it does. It's literally what plants do. They make oxygen.

Aaron Rodgers 34:29 Think about that. What if you didn't-

Joe Rogan 34:31 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 34:31 What if you didn't have... Everybody's got lawns, right?

Joe Rogan 34:33 (sighs) Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 34:33 What if the lawn- What if you had your own fucking garden?

Joe Rogan 34:35 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 34:36 Like, how, how different would, would things be?

Joe Rogan 34:38 Well, you'd be a lot fucking healthier.

Aaron Rodgers 34:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:40 You'd be a lot healthy if you're eating stuff that doesn't have fucking all kinds of herbicides and pesticides sprayed all over it. You know that when they've done these tests when they check people's blood, some insane number. What is it? Like 90-something percent of people they tested had glyphosate at detectable levels?

Aaron Rodgers 34:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 And glyphosate's nuts. Like, it's f- They fucking spray that shit on everything, and it's, it's crazy. That's, that's really bad for you (laughs) .

Aaron Rodgers 35:05 I mean, you know who owns Monsanto, right?

Joe Rogan 35:07 It's Bayer, right?

Aaron Rodgers 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Yeah. Bayer, the same people that during the Holocaust were d- I mean, the, Brigham talked about that on-

Aaron Rodgers 35:15 I know.

Joe Rogan 35:15 ... my podcast, where th- they took these people that were in the concentration camps, they took 150 women, they tried their drugs on them, killed them, and they said-

Aaron Rodgers 35:25 "We need, we need more."

Joe Rogan 35:25 ... "We need more," and they sent them more. So, they sent them more. So, that company, Bayer, did that.

Aaron Rodgers 35:31 Yeah, by Monsanto, which was taking a bunch of heat because their roundup is killing people.

Joe Rogan 35:37 Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh-

Aaron Rodgers 35:39 How do you, how do you change that? I mean, that's...

Joe Rogan 35:40 Well, you need a guy like Bobby Kennedy in, in office.

Aaron Rodgers 35:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:43 But boy, they would put him in a convertible and take him through a ride through Dallas quick.

Aaron Rodgers 35:49 I don't know. I mean, I think at some point, though, it's... Wouldn't that start...

Joe Rogan 35:53 Well, I think at some point in time, people are gonna get-

Aaron Rodgers 35:54 People are waking, they're waking up-

Joe Rogan 35:56 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 35:57 ... to certain things. There's still... The loudest group is, is not the majority. I, I really don't believe it. I think there's a silent majority that's like, "Fuck the media. Legacy media lies nonstop."

Joe Rogan 36:09 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 36:10 Big Pharma doesn't have our best interest in mind. Politicians are all corrupted, the majority of them. Like, people are waking up, I think, slowly (snaps fingers) . It's just-

Joe Rogan 36:19 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 36:19 ... they're not that loud. Like, like, I was telling a friend, I said, "Who do you know in your life that spends their days online trolling accounts, commenting on posts, commenting on X?"

Joe Rogan 36:30 Nobody.

Aaron Rodgers 36:30 I don't know anybody like that who, like, spends their life n- negative commenting. But those are the ones that get amplified and talked about.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 36:37 And I'm like, that's not, that's not a, uh, the swath of the population that's, like, the majority. That's a f-

Joe Rogan 36:43 No, it's very unhealthy-

Aaron Rodgers 36:44 ... fucking w-

Joe Rogan 36:44 ... small minority of people, plus a lot of them are paid.

Aaron Rodgers 36:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:48 There's a lot of them that are, uh, whether it's from our government or other governments, much more foreign countries that are... I mean, we know that's been documented that they have these internet troll farms, that they're specifically designed to get people upset and rile them up and get them fighting with each other, and, and diminish our appreciation and our, uh, our, uh, our respect for democracy.

Aaron Rodgers 37:11 What was the quote you've talked about that, uh, was ... What was it, 1950s, the Russian guy? What was his name?

Joe Rogan 37:17 Oh, Yuri Bezmenov?

Aaron Rodgers 37:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Yeah. 1984.

Aaron Rodgers 37:20 Oh, yeah. 1984.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yeah. Or he ... I think it was '82. But whatever it was-

Aaron Rodgers 37:23 '84 sounds better because it's kind of-

Joe Rogan 37:25 Yeah. (laughs) It's perfectly Orwellian.

Aaron Rodgers 37:26 Yeah. Perfect. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 Yeah. Well, Yuri Bezmenov, he, he explained the, the subversion. He explained how it works.

Aaron Rodgers 37:32 And it was a multi-decade plan, right?

Joe Rogan 37:34 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 37:34 To slowly turn the country-

Joe Rogan 37:37 And back then it was ... looked like nonsense. Like-

Aaron Rodgers 37:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:39 ... what are you talking about?

Aaron Rodgers 37:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:40 But now it absolutely ... Everything he said in the 1980s has come to be true. Yeah. And the Soviet Union has done it. They did it t- ... (laughs) They did it us. They, they fuckin' injected the universities with Marxism.

Aaron Rodgers 37:54 What do you think is going to happen with this, uh ... if Tucker really did interview Putin?

Jamie Vernon 38:01 I think he did.

Joe Rogan 38:01 I think he did.

Jamie Vernon 38:01 Yeah. I saw a tweet-

Joe Rogan 38:01 He's over there.

Jamie Vernon 38:02 ... where he said something like, "Why did I should-"

Aaron Rodgers 38:04 It's not out though, right? The interview?

Joe Rogan 38:05 But what's crazy is the way CNN is already trying to spin it, like, you know, that Tucker Carl- ... you know, Putin's biggest fan. Tucker Carlson, a fan of Russia. You know, they're trying to s-

Aaron Rodgers 38:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:15 They, they, they're s-

Aaron Rodgers 38:15 Using the McCarthyism tactics.

Joe Rogan 38:17 Yeah, I know. Oh, he's over there. He had an interview with President Russian Vladimir Putin.

Aaron Rodgers 38:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Do you know that, um, he said that the NSA or the CIA, whoever it was, got into his Signal account.

Aaron Rodgers 38:28 His Signal. That was scary 'cause-

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yeah. That's supposed to be encrypted.

Aaron Rodgers 38:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:32 But nothing's encrypted anymore. I don't, I don't think there's a goddamn thing that you could do on your phone, unless you have some wacky, fuckin' crazy operating system that, you know, maybe only fuckin' Jeff Bezos knows. You know, I don't, I don't-

Aaron Rodgers 38:47 Think you can VPN, right? That helps?

Joe Rogan 38:48 I don't think you can. I don't, I don't ... I think with Pegasus, the way it was explained to me by Gavin de Becker, who's a securities expert.

Aaron Rodgers 38:56 Yeah. He's-

Joe Rogan 38:57 He's awesome.

Aaron Rodgers 38:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 Yeah. Look, Gavin said that the first Pegasus, which they got ... Uh, that's how they got all, uh, Bezos' dick pics and all that shit, all the letters to his girlfriend that apparently her brother was d- doing something to try to blackmail Bezos, just 'cause he got ahold of it somehow or another. Those-

Aaron Rodgers 39:16 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 39:16 That was through Pegasus. Pegasus 1, he got a WhatsApp link, supposedly from MBS, from Saudi Arabia. And he got this WhatsApp link. He clicks on the link and that (snaps fingers) puts Pegasus on his phone and now they have full access to your phone. He said with Pegasus 2, all they need is your number. They have your phone number, they can see everything.

Aaron Rodgers 39:35 What?

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I don't know how it works. So, I don't know how they would be able to access your Signal account. I don't understand that. I've had the guy who created Signal here and, you know, he seemed to think it was pretty rock solid, but that was back then. You know, it's like they're always one step ahead of this. And before we know about it, there has to be some whistleblower that comes out and says, "Hey, the NSA can do this now."

Aaron Rodgers 40:00 Ed Snowden tried to do that.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 40:02 My biggest problem with, with the ... kind of a counterargument to that or a, a common sentiment is, "Well, I don't care. I have nothing to hide." It's like, "You're missing the fucking point."

Joe Rogan 40:12 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 40:12 The point is that there should be some freedom of privacy.

Joe Rogan 40:17 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 40:17 To not have to have fucking people looking at your shit.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Yeah. It's not-

Aaron Rodgers 40:20 And I don't care you have nothing to fucking hide. This country (laughs) was founded as a constitutional republic to protect personal freedoms. And I shouldn't have to worry about somebody fucking in my shit all the time.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Well, that's one of the things that they did that was very insidious after 9/11. 'Cause after 9/11, they passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA.

Aaron Rodgers 40:39 They had that thing dialed up right then.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Yeah. Oh, they had it ready, because they tried to push that before and, and nobody wanted it. And then when 9/11 came around, they just rolled all those, all those bills, everything that they wanted to do, they just chucked it into the Patriot Act, and then the Patriot Act 2, which is even more draconian. And now all that stuff's in, in place. Indefinite, ind- definite detention, like for people that aren't tried for anything. They can just keep you in jail forever. I mean, look what they're doing with Julian Assange. I mean, Julian Assange, like he's not really tried with a crime. Like, what ... the crime was surprise sex. Like that's why they're trying to get him. Like, they said that he was ha- ... he was having sex with a woman and then without her knowing it, he didn't have a condom on. It's a ... There weren't ... No one was s- ... And then she didn't wanna press charges. Like, I don't know what the extent of that case is now or what they're going after him for now, but that was what they were initially trying to get him on.

Aaron Rodgers 41:32 Yeah. But I mean, what- what's his, what's his ultimate crime?

Joe Rogan 41:35 His ultimate crime is, is that-

Aaron Rodgers 41:36 Is that he-

Joe Rogan 41:36 ... letting people know that-

Aaron Rodgers 41:38 ... what the hell is going on.

Joe Rogan 41:38 Yeah. There's a lot of w- ... Well, there was also that ... the collateral murder video. People had a really hard time with that, where they gunned down those, uh, reporters and then you could hear the soldier saying, "Yeah. Shouldn't had kids there," when they're shooting up that van. Like-

Aaron Rodgers 41:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 The whole thing is very, very difficult to watch. And it's one of the cold, hard realities of the, the evil that is war. And, you know, you're seeing that right now what's going on in Gaza. You're seeing the same fucking thing, you know. It's just ... That's what war is. And there's people that'll justify that all day long and saying they shouldn't have done this and, you know, that's how it goes, but man, if you live in Gaza, what the fuck do you do? Like, you didn't do anything. You just got the wrong roll of the dice and you're stuck in this place that's controlled by Hamas with abject poverty and no sanitation and, and now it's getting bombed into oblivion. I mean, the videos when you see what Gaza looked like and what it looks like now, it's fucking insane. And they're not stopping.

Aaron Rodgers 42:41 No.

Joe Rogan 42:41 They're, they're not stopping. They're just gonna keep bombing it into oblivion.

Aaron Rodgers 42:45 Some of that has to change. I mean, like there has to be something that turn ... I don't know what it is. I mean-

Joe Rogan 42:51 Alienants.

Aaron Rodgers 42:51 (laughs) Yeah. It might be.

Joe Rogan 42:53 Might be the only thing.

Aaron Rodgers 42:53 It might be. (laughs) I mean, that's ... It's interesting to see how much has changed, you know, in that ... over the last, I don't know, 15 years, just how people can talk about it now without being called crazy.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Yes.

Aaron Rodgers 43:05 There's, there's some disclosure.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Mm-hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 43:08 Um, I actually went back the other day. I was watching an old, uh, uh, I think it was from 2018 or '19 when you had Bob Lazar and Jeremy on.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Mm-hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 43:17 And I mean, he's been talking about this forever.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 43:21 ... um, but, like, what, what's gonna happen with that? There's gotta be something. You know, there's been conspiracies about Project Blue Beam, and, and there's obviously a lot of these dumbs around the country where there's interesting technology and stuff. But I got to think that something ... I think this is going to be a crazy year. I think something ... Especially if-

Joe Rogan 43:40 Oh, it's gonna be crazier.

Aaron Rodgers 43:40 ... if it gets down to it-

Joe Rogan 43:41 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 43:41 ... and it looks like, uh, the Trump wave is gonna, you know ... Because they can't roll out Weekend at Bernie's and expect him to, to, uh, be able to debate or actually carry a conversation.

Joe Rogan 43:53 I don't think that's the plan. I think the plan is you wait until it becomes extremely obvious that Biden can't do it, and then they pull him out, and I think they probably put in Gavin Newsom. That's what I think.

Aaron Rodgers 44:04 He's hated though in California.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Yeah. But there's enough zombies out there that'll just blue no matter who, and he's our guy. They don't care. They ... Like, no one could have hand- ... Cal- California's just a ... Population is too high, and it's like what are you gonna do? And they'll come up with some sort of a reason, and he'll move a little bit towards the middle. He'll do some common sense things and get people go, "All right. I like that," and that'll be enough.

Aaron Rodgers 44:30 Well-

Joe Rogan 44:31 Any ... These ... The anyone but Trump people, you know ... But look at the fucking view. Whoopi Goldberg saying that he- he- he's gonna put ... You might be poor and you might be saying, "Well, maybe Donald Trump would be better for the country." He's gonna put you in camps. Did you see her saying that?

Aaron Rodgers 44:43 No. But I'm not-

Joe Rogan 44:44 Yes.

Aaron Rodgers 44:44 ... surprised.

Joe Rogan 44:45 Put you in camps.

Aaron Rodgers 44:46 Nobody watches that show. Who watches that shit? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:48 Crazy old ladies. Crazy old ladies at their home right, right now.

Aaron Rodgers 44:51 But instead of, like ... If you look at the-

Joe Rogan 44:54 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 44:54 ... this two-party system and go, "Who's the lesser of the two evils?" I would say, "How about let's fuck the two-party system and-

Joe Rogan 45:03 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 45:03 ... let's have some more options." And one of them, in my opinion is RFK, who's phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Well, they kept him off the ballot. They did, they did a phenomenal job of making sure that he wasn't in the primaries, the same way they were gonna do it with Bernie Sanders.

Aaron Rodgers 45:17 That's why he went independent.

Joe Rogan 45:19 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 45:19 But get him in a debate.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 45:21 Why do we have to wait till fucking September for a debate?

Joe Rogan 45:23 Well, how about the fact that he won't debate, nor will Biden? No one's debating. This is the first time we've ever had a presidential election where neither the incumbent nor the main guy on the opposition is debated.

Aaron Rodgers 45:35 So Trump's n- said he's not gonna debate?

Joe Rogan 45:36 He's not debating anybody.

Aaron Rodgers 45:37 Why? He'd mop the floor with-

Joe Rogan 45:38 He doesn't have to.

Aaron Rodgers 45:39 Yeah. D- Yeah. I guess that's true.

Joe Rogan 45:41 So he's like, "Fuck you, I'm not debating." And also because they keep trying him. They keep bringing him into court. They keep ... L- There's all these cases that they keep bringing up. They just ... Lawsuit into oblivion. You know, it's ... The whole thing is wild.

Aaron Rodgers 45:53 But it, it just emboldens his followers, though.

Joe Rogan 45:55 Yeah. It does. It has the exact opposite effect. I mean, it's a similar sort of playbook in, in a lot of ways to what they did during the pandemic, where the more they attack him, the more people are like, "What the fuck is true?"

Aaron Rodgers 46:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Because I don't believe you guys anymore. And when you're going after him, I kind of think that you're just doing this because you don't want him to win. And that's banana republic shit. When you're prosecuting your political opponents, specifically because you don't want your political opponents to be able to make it to the vote, that's banana republic shit. That's, that's-

Aaron Rodgers 46:28 But that's what we're living in.

Joe Rogan 46:29 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 46:30 We have a, a captured media system. We have a captured, uh, medicine system.

Joe Rogan 46:36 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 46:37 We have-

Joe Rogan 46:37 Education systems.

Aaron Rodgers 46:38 Captured education system.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 46:40 Like ... And we're Team America world police with bases all over the world. It's ... Every country on the southern and, and eastern border of Russia.

Joe Rogan 46:50 What I'm hoping is ... One of the things that's happened over the last few years specifically is the deterioration of the trust of media because of the access to information that people have now, where it's just undeniable. At a certain point in time, they have to admit certain things like lab leak theory. They have to admit certain things. They're, they're avoiding like the plague this all-caused mor- mortality increase. But enough people are aware of it. Enough people know people that have been vaccine injured. Enough people know people that have died. Enough people know young people that have had heart attacks. Where it's ... There's enough suspicion and there's enough pause, where people are reconsidering, and then there's been this silent shift to the center, of people that were, like, radically left. Friends of mine that I had-

Aaron Rodgers 47:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:36 ... in California that were fucking so left, far left, and now they're, like, ready to vote Republican. They're literally ready v- to vote Republican because they don't want this anymore, because they see where this is going. My hope is that with AI and with even more access to information, because the, the information just streams and it moves on and innovation moves on no matter what we do, that it's gonna get to a point where lying is virtually impossible. And I think that's where this kind of emergent technology leads us to, unless some other superpower gets ahold of it before we do.

Aaron Rodgers 48:13 But don't you think one of the ... I agree with you 100%. I would just say, with AI, haven't we seen enough examples already of some hardwired coding of information that is, like, a little bit woke?

Joe Rogan 48:28 Yeah. They ... We have. We have. But then there's Grok, which is, uh, Elon's AI, which is the opposite of that.

Aaron Rodgers 48:35 Is it ... I haven't seen that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yeah. I haven't used it either, but the idea is that it's supposedly the antidote to that. I think there's enough people that don't want that. And it just ... As time goes on ... Look, even the fucking New York Times wrote a major story about detransitioners, so people that were convinced at an early age that they were trans and now they're detransitioning, and their lives are ruined. Their body's ruined. They can't have children anymore. They lost their breasts. They lost their penis. It's, it's in-fucking-sanity. They just took-

Aaron Rodgers 49:05 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 49:05 They just had a- an eight-year-old kid that was taken away from his father because the, the father doesn't want the boy to be on hormone blockers, and the mother does.

Aaron Rodgers 49:12 It was happening in Canada for a while.

Joe Rogan 49:13 Oh, yeah?

Aaron Rodgers 49:14 Now I've seen some, some cases in the States, which is-

Joe Rogan 49:16 This is what Jordan Peterson was warning people about in 2016 when I first met him.

Aaron Rodgers 49:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:22 And everybody was like, "Why do you care about what's happening in colleges? This is just fringe things that are happening in colleges." I'm like ...... those people are gonna graduate and they're gonna enter into the workforce and it's a new mentality that exists. It's not a f- objective reality mentality. It's an ideologically-based mentality that's gonna change the world at large unless we stop it in its tracks. Like, they're not looking at reality. The fucking de-transitioner thing, the fact that it's in the New York Times, is big. But do you know why? And there's a whole story that somebody wrote about it. It's because they're trial lawyers. Th- everyone's going to get sued.

Jamie Vernon 49:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 And it's gonna be a big fucking problem because you've thousands of people that have unfortunately given into this. Kids are extremely malleable. They're extremely easy to manipulate. They're extremely easy to influence. We've always known this. It's one of the reasons why you don't let children get tattoos. It's one of the reasons why you don't let children join the military. It's one of the ch- reason why you don't let children have children. It's one of the reasons why we have ages of consent, because we know that they're not s- young enough, they're not, or they're n- they're not smart enough, they're not old enough to make their own decisions. They can be n- bein- bein' manipulated. So, if they can be manipulated that way, why the fuck would we think they can't be manipulated by this emerging market, which is gender care, this gender affirming care? Have you ever seen the map of, like, gender care from 2007 versus 2022? Have you ever seen that?

Jamie Vernon 50:49 Yeah, I saw it somewhere. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:51 Here, I'll g- I'll send it to you, Jamie, so you can take a look at it. But it's fucking bananas. It's a business. My friend, who is a doctor, told me that his friend, who is a plastic surgeon, who moved into gender transition care, he told me the difference between what that person gets paid for an arthroscopic surgery versus what they get paid for a gender transition. I forget what the number was for arthroscopic surgery, but for the gender transition, he gets $70,000 every time he does this. And he goes, and this guy is raking it in. He's doing them all week.

Jamie Vernon 51:24 It's, uh, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 51:25 It is a p-

Jamie Vernon 51:26 ... so scary.

Joe Rogan 51:26 It's the, you know, the cure to all that ails for a lot of people. They think, "Oh, well this is what's gonna fix me. I'm fucked up. Why am I fucked up? What's wrong with me? What's my problem? Oh, I'm really a girl," or, "Oh, I'm really a boy."

Jamie Vernon 51:41 And, you know, kids wanna be, they don't wanna be an outsider. They want, you know-

Joe Rogan 51:43 Exactly.

Jamie Vernon 51:44 ... th- th- the, it's kind of in vogue to be non-binary or whatever the-

Joe Rogan 51:50 30% of kids today recognize themselves either as trans, gay, bi, or non-binary. 30%. Now, look at this.

Jamie Vernon 52:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:00 The pediatric gender clinics in 2007, there was two. One was in Virginia and one, it looks like, was in Massachusetts. And now, look at them. They're all over the country. And this is in 2022. I mean, that's, that's crazy. The idea that this is just they're recognizing there's a problem that didn't exis- that existed all the time, but wasn't being treated. That's nuts. That doesn't make sense. Especially when you're talking about children.

Jamie Vernon 52:26 They're fucking kids.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Yeah, they're kids.

Jamie Vernon 52:28 Kids.

Joe Rogan 52:28 And y- there's a thing called Munchausen by proxy.

Jamie Vernon 52:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:32 You know, where women, sick women, will make their children ill. They will do it on purpose so that they get attention for their children b- p- there's been women out there, evil, crazy people, that have poisoned their children.

Jamie Vernon 52:45 Yeah, I've seen a couple of the documentaries about it and-

Joe Rogan 52:47 It's nuts.

Jamie Vernon 52:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:48 It's a psychological disorder, just like gender dysphoria. It's a psychological disorder. It's always been r- listed as a psychological disorder. And now, in 2024, everyone who is a man who thinks he's a woman is brave and amazing. No one's sick. So, you're allowing people that are absolutely perverts and sex offenders to go into women's locker rooms with a hard on and no one can say anything. And if you say something, they will protest your business and shut you down. There's no room for any nuance. There's no room for someone to say, "Hey, listen, for some people, there's clearly this thing in them that makes them feel like they're in the wrong body. And if we are compassionate and if we are kind, we would want that person to be able to express themselves in any way they c- they want that makes them feel better, that helps everybody." But also, there's perverts. But also, there's people that, if they find out all they have to do is pretend they're a woman and they can go in the women's locker room and watch women change, they'll do that too. You see, I'm sure you've seen the guy in Canada-

Jamie Vernon 53:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:53 ... the 50-year-old man that identifies as a 15-year-old girl?

Jamie Vernon 53:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:56 And got to change in the young girls' locker room and got to compete with these young girls. It's utter, complete insanity.

Jamie Vernon 54:04 Psychosis.

Joe Rogan 54:05 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 54:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:06 I mean, first of all, you're 50.

Jamie Vernon 54:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:07 You're not 15, period. Period. That's, that's fucking, that's not negotiable.

Jamie Vernon 54:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:13 You know, you w- you live a certain amount of time, period. You can't say, "I identify as a baby," and then wear diapers and have everybody take care of you. That's fucking crazy. But the fact that they're letting that... We are one step away from minor-attracted persons being something that everybody's cool with, because that's also on the agenda. And every now and then, they sneak that out there. Every now and then, you'll see it in universities, see people talking about it. We have these, this is this one maligned group that has no support-

Jamie Vernon 54:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:43 ... minor-attracted persons. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 54:47 It's sick.

Joe Rogan 54:47 It's sick.

Jamie Vernon 54:48 It's sick.

Joe Rogan 54:49 It's sick. And the rest of the world is fucking laughing at us.

Jamie Vernon 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 They're laughing at how crazy, especially Russia, they think it's hilarious.

Jamie Vernon 54:56 Yeah, I'm-

Joe Rogan 54:56 They're laughing at how ridiculous we are.

Jamie Vernon 54:57 ... I bet you Putin's probably gonna say something about that in this interview.

Joe Rogan 55:00 I hope he does.

Jamie Vernon 55:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:01 And he would be right.

Jamie Vernon 55:02 I just don't, I, I, I, I don't know why they're just so hellbent on going after the kids. Obviously, there's-

Joe Rogan 55:09 I think it's money.

Jamie Vernon 55:09 There's huge money in it.

Joe Rogan 55:10 I think it's money and it's also the w- the waving the flag of woke, you know? I mean, it's just a, it's, it's crazy. It's really weird. It's really weird.

Jamie Vernon 55:20 But you've, you've had people on here talk about the development of the brain, right? And it-

Joe Rogan 55:23 Yes.

Jamie Vernon 55:24 ... and, and it, it's all the way to what? 25?

Joe Rogan 55:26 25 for men.

Jamie Vernon 55:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Yo- women develop earlier. They, they, they're, they get their shit together quicker, but we know that in real life. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 55:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:33 There's something about... (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 55:34 Men, we j- don't get it. I mean, I, I-

Joe Rogan 55:36 It's wild.

Jamie Vernon 55:36 ... I think back to a time when I was 21. Yeah, I was a fucking idiot.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 55:39 Yeah, just pumped up, full of hormones, and just driving too fast and doing stupid shit.

Joe Rogan 55:45 ... yeah, that's why they get young men to go to war.

Aaron Rodgers 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 They don't know any better.

Aaron Rodgers 55:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:48 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 55:49 But leave the kids alone.

Joe Rogan 55:50 Leave the fucking kids alone. Especially, you know what's really hilarious? There's this guy that interviewed, uh, all these people and said, uh, "Do you believe that, um, it's okay to encourage young people to transition?" All these blue-haired, blue-hair people are like, "Yes, I do." "To Catholicism?"

Aaron Rodgers 56:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:09 And they're like, "No." (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 56:13 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 56:13 (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 56:14 I love it.

Joe Rogan 56:15 And they were doing the same thing with t- tattoos. "Do you think a 12-year-old is too y- too young to get a tattoo?" "Yeah, they don't know any better." "What about change their gender?" "Yes, they know." Like okay.

Aaron Rodgers 56:24 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 It's just ideology, man. It's just like, it's... You might as well be a Scientologist, you might as well be a Moonie, it's the same thing.

Aaron Rodgers 56:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:31 It's the same sort of religious-like thinking that exists in all sorts of groups of people that we call cults. But we don't wanna call these hardcore leftist, the... We don't, we don't wanna call it a cult. But Marc Andreessen had a really good analysis of it on the podcast where he said, "It has everything that every cult has." It has strict adherence to the rules. It has excommunication when you, uh, you, i- uh, when you, you get kicked out how they, they fucking go after you, and it's devastating socially. It's like all the same things that Scientology does, all the same things that a lot of other cults do. But we don't wanna look at it as a cult because you, you, you see the rainbow flag, you see the LBG. What is the two, the I, the A, and the plus? (hand slamming) What's the I?

Aaron Rodgers 57:18 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 57:18 Some of them are asexual. I think they should stay the fuck out of it.

Aaron Rodgers 57:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:21 If you're asexual, stay out of it. If you say you're asexual, good. That's fine. That's what... I believe it, I believe there's some people that are asexual. Stay out of it.

Aaron Rodgers 57:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:29 Stay out of it. You're not in a maligned group. Nobody's fucking going after asexuals. Nobody, like, nobody's discriminates against asexuals. So, if they're in there... Is that the A?

Jamie Vernon 57:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yeah. Fuck off, asexuals.

Aaron Rodgers 57:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:42 Get the fuck outta here. Okay, what's the two?

Jamie Vernon 57:45 Two-spirit.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Oh, like foxkin.

Aaron Rodgers 57:47 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:47 Yeah, that's me, bro. (deep voice) I got, I'm a wolf spirit.

Aaron Rodgers 57:51 I know, I know some-

Joe Rogan 57:51 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 57:51 I think two-spirit has to do with Native Americans.

Aaron Rodgers 57:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Oh.

Aaron Rodgers 57:55 Okay.

Jamie Vernon 57:55 I think.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Oh, look at it, the LBGTQ flag. It, it, it pulsates.

Aaron Rodgers 57:59 It pul- it pulses, yeah. Nice.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Does any other flag pulsate?

Aaron Rodgers 58:02 I don't think so. Oh, here we go.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Two-spirit.

Jamie Vernon 58:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:05 Uh, "A modern pan-

Aaron Rodgers 58:06 Pan.

Joe Rogan 58:06 ... -Indian umbrella used by some indigenous North Americans to describe native people in their communities who fulfill a traditional third general ceremon- ceremonial," um, "and social role in their cultures." Yeah, but that's also, that's what the Lakotas had. So, the Lakota recognized transgender people as someone who is a revered member of society because they understood both men and women, you know. Like they also had something called the Heyoka, which was a sacred clown. They had this one guy who madez fun, make fun of everything, 'cause if you couldn't make fun of things, they were bullshit.

Aaron Rodgers 58:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:41 And so they had... That's the way they would test things. "You get mad they're making fun of that? Oh, that's bullshit."

Aaron Rodgers 58:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:45 "You're bullshit." You know. Like if someone made fun of you for being really good at football, you'd be like, "Okay."

Aaron Rodgers 58:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:50 You can't make fun of that.

Aaron Rodgers 58:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Like what are you g- say all you want. You're not gonna hurt my feelings.

Aaron Rodgers 58:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 You know, you're Aaron Rodgers, you're really fucking good at football. Like if someone makes fun of that, it j- but if someone made fun of, you know, your mustache and you're like, "Hey man, fuck off."

Aaron Rodgers 59:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:04 Like, "Oh, you got a problem with that mustache?"

Aaron Rodgers 59:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:07 "You, you don't, you think that mustache is stupid." And so that's how they would test things in their culture that were bullshit.

Aaron Rodgers 59:13 But that's why we need, we need comedy-

Joe Rogan 59:15 Yes.

Aaron Rodgers 59:15 ... to be able to... I mean, that's what I've loved about South Park for so many years, just how-

Joe Rogan 59:19 They're the tip of the spear.

Aaron Rodgers 59:21 Yeah. Just how they're able to like go, "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 59:23 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 59:23 "... society, what the fuck are we doing?"

Joe Rogan 59:25 They, they're the best. They're-

Aaron Rodgers 59:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:27 ... they're a national treasure. They really are. They, no matter what, they can get away with it. They go so hard in the paint. (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 59:35 I know, I know. (laughs) Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Where would we be without South Park?

Aaron Rodgers 59:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 59:38 I mean, where would we be without South Park, for real? Goddamn. And how about The Simpsons? How did The Simpsons keep fucking calling it-

Aaron Rodgers 59:47 Predicting everything.

Joe Rogan 59:49 They predicted the Apple Vision Pro. There's an old Simpsons episode where people are walking around with those goggles and they're falling into manholes. And now you're seeing people out there in the street swiping things and moving away and wearing these goggles on the street.

Aaron Rodgers 1:00:03 I can't believe they got Trump on the escalator though. That to me is one of the craziest ones when they got him wa- riding the escalator down like he did in that one moment where I think he had just declared-

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Oh, yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:00:12 ... declared for the presidency and he kind of rode this elevator down.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Yeah. How do you think they did that?

Aaron Rodgers 1:00:16 And they had that...

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Do you th- This is what I think.

Aaron Rodgers 1:00:18 Time traveler?

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 I don't think time traveler, but I think that if you are so into-

Aaron Rodgers 1:00:24 This one right here.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Here it is.

Aaron Rodgers 1:00:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Look at this. They, they literally had Trump waving. It's the same photo. It's so crazy. God, that's so nuts. Oh, wait a minute. People think The Simpsons predicted Shrimps- Trump's win, but it's what? What does that say, Jamie, on the right-hand side?

Jamie Vernon 1:00:43 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 What are they saying? It's not true? It's not true. Viral image claiming this show, scroll back up, called The 2016 Electoral Map Has Nothing To Do With Trump. They claim The Simpsons not only foresaw Donald Trump's run for president, but also predicted which states he'd carry, making the rounds as wro-... The claim is wrong.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:01 Oh, they're just saying the claim too much I, I would believe, but that picture...

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 But the picture is they had Trump coming down the escalator-

Jamie Vernon 1:01:08 Yeah, yeah, it just goes too far.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 ... and he was going down the escalator and he did wave his right hand. I mean like, the thing is, it's the same image. Like no matter what, the fact that he did that and they pre- predicted it... I feel like some people, if you're intensely creative, and clearly those guys are, if you're constantly, you have your thumb on the pulse of satire and culture and where things are headed, I think you can see things. I think you get whispers from the muse. I think the, the universe sends you messages. There's like...... like, there's, uh, been talk about that with, uh, in, uh, Diana Pascual's book, um, American Cosmic, the, the, uh, the first book.

Aaron Rodgers 1:01:53 Jamie just-

Jamie Vernon 1:01:54 I was telling him about that.

Aaron Rodgers 1:01:54 ... gave me that rack before you got here.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:55 He was telling me about it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 She's fascinating.

Aaron Rodgers 1:01:57 I'm gonna read that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 But in that book, she, the, they, one of the things that they go into is 2001 and the monolith. Like, that these, these ali- ... The ... Whatever it is that brings this monolith to these, uh, p- primitive primates, and they see this thing, and this thing sort of represents where they're going to and what the future is. It's kind of ... It's, uh, it means some ... In the book, they theorize whether or not that's a, a television, or it's a screen, or it's a cellphone. But it's this something that's pulling us towards it, and that Kubrick recognized that. But Kubrick was a fucking genius, like a real scary genius. Like, he would do complex mathematics in his spare time, and all of his movies were encoded with all this weird, like, Easter eggy stuff. Like The Shining?

Aaron Rodgers 1:02:46 The Shining with the, the shirt?

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 It's all about the moon landing.

Aaron Rodgers 1:02:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Even the, the amount of miles to the moon is the exact same number as the room that was haunted, the kid wearing the NASA shirt.

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:00 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Like, there's so many things that people connect with the moon landing, and then the ultimate conspiracy theory was that-

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:07 Eyes Wide Shut.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 ... Kubrick faked the moon landing.

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:09 Oh, that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 That's the best one. I love that one.

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 That's my favorite. (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:14 (laughs) Yeah, I like that one too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:17 Eyes Wide Shut's pretty, pretty crazy, right?

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Oh, my God. That is pretty crazy, because back when Eyes Wide Shut first came out, everybody was like, "Well, that's not real." And then you hear about Epstein's Island, you're like, "Maybe it was. Maybe there are parties like that."

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:29 But there's a con- conspiracy that he was killed because of that movie.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Really?

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:33 You know about this? So, supposedly he showed the movie to the executives, and they wanted him to take out 15 minutes of the movie. The ... Everybody got kicked out of the theater. The, I mean, again, I don't ... So, I'll probably get fact-checked on this, but ... And then a few days later-

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Where'd you read this? Was it on Reddit? (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:03:50 Uh, let's see it. Come on.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Here it is. Kubrick died of a heart attack six days after showing the final cut of Eyes Wide Shut to Warner Brothers, making it the final film he directed. He reportedly considered it his greatest contribution to the art of cinema. Wow.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:01 But I suppose he got into a yelling match with the executives about some of the stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:04 ... that was in it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Was he murdered because of Eyes Wide Shut? But what was, what was so egregious about that film that they would murder him though? I mean, exposing too much?

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:16 Sex cults?

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 Yeah, I don't trust-

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:18 With the elites?

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 ... Core. I don't trust any fact-checking organizations-

Jamie Vernon 1:04:21 Sorry, Joe, this is random things at the bottom. It's like five days later.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Oh, yeah. That's ... I mean, that's-

Jamie Vernon 1:04:24 It's Cubasaurus.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Nah.

Jamie Vernon 1:04:25 People get nutty with that stuff.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:26 That, I guess, a little crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:28 But that's a crazy movie, the fact that he did, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:32 He kinda showed some of that stuff. There's weird stuff, like, at the end of the movie too when those two guys can come get ... They come and get, uh, their daughter and stuff. There's-

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:40 ... a lot of weird stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Well, that weird stuff, it used to be so easy to dismiss. But now, you know, it's the Alex Jones was right meme. Like, can you realize how many times that guy's been right? Like, Jesus Christ. Like, how is he so good at predicting all these things that are happening? 'Cause the guy's balls deep in it all day long.

Aaron Rodgers 1:04:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 You could call him right now. He's like, "I'm doing the documents. I'm, uh, reading the research right now. This shit is ... This is what they're doing. This is the plan."

Aaron Rodgers 1:05:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 I talk to him all the time. Like, d- w- we text each other. Every time something's crazy, I'll text him, like, "What is this?" And he'll send me all these fucking documents.

Aaron Rodgers 1:05:12 He's talking about, uh, I saw something he said the other day about, you know, you gotta gat to have your shit ready in case they-

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:05:21 ... turn the, turn the power off, turn the water off, do something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Well, there's a lot of people that think that, including me, because if I was a foreign government and I wanted to cripple America, I'd kill the power grid. We'd go feral in two weeks. It would be chaos in two weeks. As soon as people don't have water and food, and their children are starving, people go crazy. They start eating dogs. They start shooting deer in their neighborhood, then, then that runs out, and then they, they realize they don't know how to keep food good. You know, when it's, uh, hot out, they don't know how to get water. They don't know how to treat water. It could get real bad real quick. We are not self-sufficient even remotely. There's a f- small pockets of human beings in this country that are self-sufficient, but if you had to guess how many people could survive off-grid if everything went haywire, it's like 1%, which is probably what happens when there's a massive catastrophe, once some, some sort of a global catastrophic event, like a super volcano or something along those lines.

Aaron Rodgers 1:06:17 Another Younger-

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:06:18 ... Dryas situation.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Yeah, so probably 1% of the people survive.

Aaron Rodgers 1:06:21 That's probably what happened back then too.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:06:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Well, that's what I've always said is the reason why if you go back, look at, like, ancient Egypt. Look at how insanely sophisticated they were. And if you subscribe to the Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson's, uh, perspective, which I do, which is that at one point in time, there was an incredibly sophisticated society, probably more sophisticated than we are, that lived in Africa, in Egypt, and that those people were probably in a different, different direction, but far more advanced than we are today, and then they were wiped out. And then go after that? So, the ... If you're talking about 11,000 years ago, 11,800 years ago when they got wiped out, and it just, you know, were down to, like, 1% of the population, think about what history looks like when you go back 4,000 years, 3,000. It's fucking barbarians.

Aaron Rodgers 1:07:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Just the most horrible instances of brutality and murder and chaos, and what Genghis Khan did, and what the, the Mongols did, and what ... I mean, the, the pirates and the crusades and all the fucking horrible shit that people did back then, because those were the descendants of the people that were so barbaric that they survived. Those are the descendants of the 1% that made it through that catastrophe, and you had to be fucking horrible to do that.

Aaron Rodgers 1:07:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 You probably had to be horrible. You're probably killing your neighbors, probably eating people. I mean, what percentage of our population, if you go back 10,000 years ago, were cannibals? It's probably pretty high.

Aaron Rodgers 1:07:54 ... 50.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 It was probably pretty high.

Aaron Rodgers 1:07:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 Which, you had to do what you got to do. We know what happens at a Donner Party. We know what happens to people that get stuck on a boat or, uh, off at sea and one guy dies, they just start eating him.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 We know that.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:05 Is that movie Alive?

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 Yeah, it's like, always happens.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 It always happens. It-

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:08 I want to ask you a question about what you just said, but I need to take a piss.

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 Oh, okay. Let's piss.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:14 We'll be right back, folks. Okay, and we're back. Marshall, come say hi. Come here, pal. Come on up here. Come on up here. Come here, pal. Come say hi to everybody. You want to be on camera? Come on. Yes, sir. Give me a kiss. Hello, buddy. Hello, buddy.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 What are you doing? He gets sad when we're not here.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:35 Mm-hmm. Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 He's the best. Is, um, Carl with you, Jamie?

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:38 Jamie, did we figure that out?

Jamie Vernon 1:08:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:41 Aw, crapo.

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:42 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 1:08:42 Carl's with you.

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 You want to get Carl on camera?

Jamie Vernon 1:08:44 Sure. Um, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 Marshall looks at Carl as an attention thief. He's like, "That guy's gonna steal my attention."

Aaron Rodgers 1:08:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:52 Have a seat, buddy.

Jamie Vernon 1:08:54 Uh, what was the question we were looking at? Oh, sorry, I had something else popped-

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 Oh, we're gonna look up whatever this fucking thing means under the Carl Schwab, Klaus Schwab, uh, photograph. You know that wacky photograph that we have out there? It has something in Latin underneath it. I'm gonna send it to you. Okay, I sent it. He's standing at that podium dressed like Darth Vader.

Aaron Rodgers 1:09:17 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:09:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 It's incredible.

Aaron Rodgers 1:09:19 They're so out in the open with it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:09:21 It almost makes you feel like you're being punked.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:23 Scienta-

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:25 ... ingenium virtus. Uh, so it's like s- ... uh, I'll look it up, but ...

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 Does this have something with virtue and science?

Aaron Rodgers 1:09:32 Trust the science.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:09:34 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:09:34 All right.

Aaron Rodgers 1:09:34 Trust ze science.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:35 Okay, there's a translation-

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 He, he ... see the thing he said recently? "We will no longer have to have elections, 'cause we can predict the results."

Jamie Vernon 1:09:44 Knowledge is the virtue of talent.

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 Oh. Huh.

Jamie Vernon 1:09:49 Direct translation. Now, what translation they're using could be a little different.

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 Knowledge is the virtue of talent. Hmm. That's a fucking cone. That's like the sound of one hand clapping. Uh, here's what I found out. Uh, college motto of, uh, Kau-... Kaunas University of Technology in Lithuania. The act of honoring, or something else. Hmm.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Okay. That fucking dude, though. When he was ... literally, he was talking to one of the Google guys, and he was saying that with these, uh, the ability to predict things, that we'll no longer need elections.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 Like, oh-

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 ... how convenient.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:32 Awesome. Why don't we just let you and the WEF-

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:35 ... and the UN just-

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 How convenient.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:36 ... tell us who's gonna be in charge?

Joe Rogan 1:10:38 That, the fact that they, that is, uh, a place where people go by private jet, so they fly in these jets to tell everybody that they gotta stop pumping out carbon. (laughs)

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:48 Yeah. Love it. Keep it up, man. But that's ... honestly, but that's the waking up, is just-

Joe Rogan 1:10:54 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:54 ... the hypocrisy is everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:10:56 Yeah. It's everywhere.

Aaron Rodgers 1:10:57 You fucking people who are telling us, "Cut your p- carbon footprint. Don't grow your own food. Eat fucking insects. Stop eating meat."

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:11:06 It's like, you don't ... you're not adhering to any of this shit.

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 No. Of course not. They were serving meat at the WEF-

Aaron Rodgers 1:11:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:11 ... when people went there. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers 1:11:13 What I wanted to ask you before, 'cause I'm fascinated by Egypt, is when you had Randall and Graham on, Randall alluded to, uh, technologies that I've actually