Joe Rogan Experience #2106 - Kid Rock

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) I love that chain. What is that chain?

Kid Rock 0:14 It's, uh, (clears throat) it's my tattoo. It's my logo, American Badass.

Joe Rogan 0:18 It's pretty badass. (laughs)

Kid Rock 0:21 (laughs) That sounds like stoner talk. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 It is. It is stoner t- most of my conversations are stoner talk, like, high level.

Kid Rock 0:29 Dude, I used to be Tom Petty's weed dealer, in a sense. Like, he would come to town. He married a girl from, uh, Saginaw, Michigan. I forget her name. Great, great girl. And they would come to, you know, outside Detroit where I lived, and I'd get this call like, "Hey, can you get Tom some weed?" And I'd be like, "Fuck, I'll take him some weed." So I'd call some of my brother's friends to get some weed, and I'd be like, "This is fucking awesome," 'cause I love Tom Petty. I didn't really know him. So I'd go up there and drop the weed off, and I'd be in his dressing room and, like, he'd be like, "So what's up, man?" I'd be like, "Nothing." And I'm like, "We have nothing in common."

Joe Rogan 1:06 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:07 This, this guy's so fucking high. And (clears throat) I might've been tuned up on a couple beers or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:12 And I'm like, "Well, that sucked." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:15 "So I guess I'll just enjoy the music." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:18 Was this before or after you were doing music?

Kid Rock 1:21 Oh, this was when I was a big star.

Joe Rogan 1:23 Oh, really?

Kid Rock 1:23 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 No shit.

Kid Rock 1:25 Yeah, I was all excited.

Joe Rogan 1:25 And you're hanging with Tom Petty?

Kid Rock 1:27 Not really. I was just taking him weed.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Were you-

Kid Rock 1:29 Trying, trying to hang out with him.

Joe Rogan 1:31 You know, that's how Tom Petty died.

Kid Rock 1:33 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Somebody got him some pills.

Kid Rock 1:35 Oh, it was the fentanyl?

Joe Rogan 1:36 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:36 Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah, he, uh-

Kid Rock 1:39 That shit is...

Joe Rogan 1:40 I don't remember what his i- his injury was but, uh, he was hurting and, uh, a roadie got him some fentanyl.

Kid Rock 1:47 Terrible.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:48 Fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:48 That's how Prince died too.

Kid Rock 1:50 Yeah, I remembered... I've heard that in the elevator.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Yeah, same thing, pain.

Kid Rock 1:53 I mean, we all know people that have...

Joe Rogan 1:54 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 1:55 It's a travesty. Fucking unreal.

Joe Rogan 1:56 It's a horrible thing.

Kid Rock 1:57 Well, let's just go right at the border. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:00 Yeah. Well, it's the border, but it's also the f- the opioid crisis there created by the Sackler family. I mean, those motherfuckers just got, uh, a giant percentage of the population hooked on heroin. It's some evil shit, man.

Kid Rock 2:15 It's fucking evil.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Those fucking people are still running around too.

Kid Rock 2:17 Yeah, in case you were ever thinking about quitting drugs, fentanyl should seal the deal.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Yeah.

Kid Rock 2:25 That should seal the deal.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yeah.

Kid Rock 2:26 I know a lot of people it has. They were like, "You know, I was still an experimental cocaine user," this, that, and the other. They were like, "When that shit came up, that was it." It's like, you get, you know, I had some friends tell me they were gonna buy a testing kit, this, that, and the other. I was like, "Yeah, that's probably time to-"

Joe Rogan 2:40 Yeah.

Kid Rock 2:41 "... time to move on."

Joe Rogan 2:42 If you're buying a testing kit to make sure you don't die, you probably should reconsider your options.

Kid Rock 2:46 (clears throat) Might wanna revisit whiskey.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Yeah. Weed's not bad. Weed and whiskey are, uh, it's a good combination. You don't really, you don't wanna go down that road. Although, I've heard it's awesome. Not fentanyl, but cocaine. I have not tried it. I've never done it, but everyone I know who does it tells you not to do it 'cause it's awesome.

Kid Rock 3:06 Mm, I had a good run. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:09 (laughs)

Kid Rock 3:09 I didn't have too many problems. (laughs) You know, in the, in the older days when, you know, it was kinda just following the handbook of rock and roll.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Yeah.

Kid Rock 3:18 It's like, you know, chapter 14, get some blow. (laughs) Blah, blah, blah.

Joe Rogan 3:22 (laughs)

Kid Rock 3:22 We, we had fun. Nobody... I've seen people get all fucked up and lose their minds on it, but I know quite a few people in my position like, "Okay, we had some fun when we were younger, and, you know, at some point," you know, kind of a weekend warrior type thing.

Joe Rogan 3:36 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 3:37 Don't let it interfere with business and engagements and things you have to do. I can't say I, I was batting 1,000, but pretty good average.

Joe Rogan 3:44 You did pretty good.

Kid Rock 3:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Considering it, it all worked out pretty well.

Kid Rock 3:48 I- I'm not advocating for it (laughs) at any level. I'm just-

Joe Rogan 3:51 (laughs) I don't think anybody is.

Kid Rock 3:52 That's, that's my honest experience. Like, hey, you know, I came out okay.

Joe Rogan 3:56 That's the thing. There's people that'll tell you they're weed advocates. There's n- there's no, like, coke advocates. There's no people, they're like, "Coke fixed my life." (laughs)

Kid Rock 4:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:06 "I never got anything done. All of a sudden, I was doing coke and starting businesses."

Kid Rock 4:10 Is weed fixing lives?

Joe Rogan 4:12 We can fix people.

Kid Rock 4:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:13 It depends on who you are.

Kid Rock 4:14 I'd know if you're sick and-

Joe Rogan 4:15 Yeah, for a guy like me-

Kid Rock 4:17 ... you're this shit.

Joe Rogan 4:17 ... weed's a good drug. A guy like me, weed just like (exhales) ch- chills you down.

Kid Rock 4:22 See, my brother's a huge weed smoker.

Joe Rogan 4:24 Yeah.

Kid Rock 4:24 And I'm always... And he'll always be, like, you know, off golfing or some shit, and I'm drinking my beers, having my fun. I'm always like, you know, "You drive." And I'm always like, "Maybe you fucking shouldn't be driving." He's just fucking stoned out of his mind sometimes and I'm like, "Yeah, I don't like this."

Joe Rogan 4:40 (laughs)

Kid Rock 4:41 (laughs) I'm, I'm a little nervous, and I'm tuned up already.

Joe Rogan 4:44 (inhales deeply) Yeah, for some people, weed makes you nicer, calms you down, makes you a little more sensitive, a little more compassionate.

Kid Rock 4:53 Yeah, everything affects people differently.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Yeah.

Kid Rock 4:56 I've drank tequila three times.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Only three?

Kid Rock 4:59 I've be- I've been to jail three times.

Joe Rogan 5:00 (laughs)

Kid Rock 5:02 (laughs) Like... Do, do the math. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:05 (laughs)

Kid Rock 5:05 Kid Rock don't drink tequila.

Joe Rogan 5:07 So what do you think tequila does to you differently?

Kid Rock 5:10 Oh, it just makes me wanna punch you right in the mouth.

Joe Rogan 5:11 (laughs) Really? Oh, fuck. (laughs)

Kid Rock 5:14 (laughs) That's, that's it.

Joe Rogan 5:15 The Mexican influence.

Kid Rock 5:16 You're like, "Hey, Kid Rock, nice to see you." Like, wham!

Joe Rogan 5:19 (laughs)

Kid Rock 5:19 Like, what the fuck's the matter with him?

Joe Rogan 5:21 Well, that tequila, like, what, what-

Kid Rock 5:22 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 5:24 ... changed y- What does it do, it just makes you hyper?

Kid Rock 5:25 Just makes me fucking hyper violent, fucking... I- you know, it could, it could've been a combination of maybe those few times I drank it I was just in a head space where... You know how-

Joe Rogan 5:34 Right.

Kid Rock 5:34 ... you can be in different head spaces when you're doing different things.

Joe Rogan 5:37 And you could blame it on the tequila, but it's really just-

Kid Rock 5:39 But I kinda have a rule that I, I really try not to, like, you know... I- I've really mellowed out in the last 10 years or so, but I really try not to get tuned up unless I'm in a good spot.

Joe Rogan 5:51 You know.

Kid Rock 5:51 In a good mood with good people.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Right.

Kid Rock 5:53 You don't wanna be, like, you know, all worked up, you know, after watch Fox News for six hours and just fucking... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:59 (laughs)

Kid Rock 5:59 ... ready to fucking, you know, Slay the Beast and start pounding whiskey and go to the club. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:03 Dude, if you watch Fox News for too long, you will think it's the end of the world.

Kid Rock 6:07 Oh, I do, and it is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:08 It might be. It really might be.Did you see the fucking Tim Dillon thing that I posted yesterday?

Narrator 6:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:15 It's legit.

Narrator 6:15 Yeah, no, it was ... It's not brand new-

Kid Rock 6:17 Is that the gay comedian?

Narrator 6:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:19 Yeah.

Kid Rock 6:19 He's fucking great.

Joe Rogan 6:20 He's hilarious. But, uh, he, he wrote, uh, he had a picture with a girl. He said, "I'm getting married. The homosexuality thing was, uh, just a phase." And R- RFK Jr. writes to him, uh, "She's a beautiful lady. I can see how she un-gayed you, Tim."

Kid Rock 6:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:35 The guy's running for president.

Kid Rock 6:37 Fucking great.

Joe Rogan 6:38 Amazing.

Kid Rock 6:39 It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 6:39 In that sense, it's an amazing time.

Kid Rock 6:41 He don't scare me.

Joe Rogan 6:42 No, he shouldn't scare you, actually.

Kid Rock 6:43 He doesn't scare me.

Joe Rogan 6:44 He should do the opposite of scare you.

Kid Rock 6:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:46 It should scare you, the opposition to him. 'Cause if people listen to what he says and you pay attention to what he says, and you actually research what he says, he's telling the truth.

Kid Rock 6:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:54 He just ... We've been fucked over and lied to for so long that he seems like a crazy person. Look at that. (laughs) "She's a beautiful angel, Tim."

Kid Rock 7:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:01 "He see how she un-gayed you."

Kid Rock 7:03 Un-gayed. Fuck, I learned something. I haven't been here five minutes.

Joe Rogan 7:07 (laughs)

Narrator 7:08 (laughs)

Kid Rock 7:08 My new favorite word. Usually I'm just using gay inappropriate all the time, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

Kid Rock 7:12 Like, "Oh, that's fucking gay." You know? Someone's like, "Oh, you're so insensitive." I'll be like, "That's so un-gay." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:18 Yeah. It used to be a, a thing that we would say, something's gay. Or it used to be ... Imagine, like, from the time of The Flintstones. The Flintstones was, "We had a gay old time."

Kid Rock 7:29 Do you remember playing Smear the Queer when you were a kid?

Joe Rogan 7:31 I never played that. What is it?

Kid Rock 7:33 It's just ... You give somebody the football and everyone tries to tackle them.

Joe Rogan 7:35 Oh.

Kid Rock 7:35 Like, in grade school. You just ran around. We didn't even know what queer meant. That's what ... Name of the game was Smear the Queer.

Joe Rogan 7:41 I never played that. Did you play that, Jamie?

Narrator 7:42 Yep.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yeah?

Narrator 7:43 Sure. 100%. Yeah.

Kid Rock 7:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:45 (laughs)

Kid Rock 7:45 You from the Midwest?

Joe Rogan 7:47 (coughs) Yeah, he's from Ohio.

Kid Rock 7:48 There you go.

Joe Rogan 7:49 They didn't have that where I grew up.

Kid Rock 7:52 Where'd you grow up?

Joe Rogan 7:53 Boston.

Kid Rock 7:55 Ah, d- d-

Joe Rogan 7:55 I mean, I'm sure they had it.

Kid Rock 7:56 Fuck, I would think it was invented in Boston. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:00 (laughs)

Narrator 8:00 (laughs)

Kid Rock 8:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:00 I, I lived a fucked up life. Not, not fucked up, but just my high school years was all martial arts. It was all from the time I was, like, 15 'til I was 21. All I did is train and compete.

Kid Rock 8:12 It's a lot of discipline.

Joe Rogan 8:13 Yeah, a lot of obsession. A lot of discipline and obsession. But it was, uh, very weird socially. Like, so I went from that to being a standup comedian, which is, like, the complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Hanging out with maniacs who were doing drugs and staying up all night. Just complete polar opposite. So I missed a lot of stuff.

Kid Rock 8:34 Ah, you got a lot of money now, you can make up for it, right?

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs)

Kid Rock 8:37 Fast track it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:39 (laughs)

Kid Rock 8:39 Probably get it all done in, like, two years with the-

Joe Rogan 8:41 (laughs)

Kid Rock 8:41 ... with the loot you've made. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:43 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kid Rock 8:45 I found that to be a problem at times for people.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Money?

Kid Rock 8:48 No. They didn't experience ... You know, there's certain coming of age things, whether it's, you know, crazy chasing girls, you know, that whole thing-

Joe Rogan 8:56 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 8:56 ... doing drugs, you know, just being kinda wild, you know. Stealing people's statues out of the yard. Whatever crazy shit like that you do when you're young and, and then they reach this point. A lot of it with ath- athletes, 'cause they were so focused in their training at such, such a young age, and then they get to that point where they get money and they're like, "I wanna taste it all." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:14 That's true.

Kid Rock 9:15 And then they kinda get fucked up.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Yeah, you can lose your bearings. That's true. There ... That is the case with a lot of athletes. A lot of athletes get fat too. They just, "Fuck it, it's over." A lot of fighters.

Kid Rock 9:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:26 'Cause a lot of fighters are always dieting.

Kid Rock 9:28 Well, you get that big muscle moving, it's so hard to fucking maintain as you get older.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Mm-hmm. Yep, that too.

Kid Rock 9:34 You start to lo- your ... Lose your lean muscle. You know about all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 9:36 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 9:36 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 9:37 Yeah.

Kid Rock 9:37 All the sudden, two to 10 beers a night doesn't seem like a bad idea. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:42 Yeah. Well, it's also, like ... I think with athletes, especially with fighters, the, the rush of competition is so extreme that the regular world just seems so dull. And then going back to the regular world, you don't feel like you have a real purpose anymore. You're not training for this big event that takes place every few months.

Kid Rock 10:01 Like coming back from the military.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Yeah, like a lighter-

Kid Rock 10:04 It's not what it was.

Joe Rogan 10:04 ... version of that. Yeah.

Kid Rock 10:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:05 That's a big problem with guys coming back from the military, big problem.

Kid Rock 10:09 Huge. Suicide just on the-

Joe Rogan 10:10 And no coaching at all.

Kid Rock 10:12 ... unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Nobody tells you what to do. They just let you back in the world, and you're like, "Fuck."

Kid Rock 10:16 Yeah. Seen it too many times.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Mm-hmm. Too many times. Too many times. So, what's it like being the dude who took out Bud Light?

Kid Rock 10:25 (laughs)

Narrator 10:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:27 (laughs)

Kid Rock 10:27 Let's get right to it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:28 Let's get right to it. (laughs) We were gonna bring a few cases in here for you. (laughs)

Kid Rock 10:32 Let me, let me switch, switch sunglasses. (laughs) Fuck, I'll drink it. I don't give a shit.

Joe Rogan 10:34 (clears throat)

Kid Rock 10:34 Two kinds of beer in this world, cold and free. I like them both. Um ... (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 10:40 What brings it-

Kid Rock 10:40 Man, I was just having fun, to be honest with you. I mean, I w- I was-

Joe Rogan 10:44 It was funny.

Kid Rock 10:44 ... I was pissed, like, you know, but-

Joe Rogan 10:46 Yeah.

Kid Rock 10:46 ... it wasn't like it was gonna wreck my day, yet alone my life. I was just kinda like, "What the fuck are they doing?" Like, "This is too fu-"

Joe Rogan 10:51 But you were the straw that broke the camel's back.

Kid Rock 10:54 I became the face of it, yes.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Yeah. Well-

Kid Rock 10:56 I'm not, I'm not the Pied Piper to sit around and think like people follow what Kid Rock does. I just became the face of it.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Yeah, but they kinda do. They kinda do.

Kid Rock 11:04 No.

Joe Rogan 11:04 When ... No, listen, man. When you got so upset that you were fucking (laughs) machine gunming-

Kid Rock 11:09 Throwing a tantrum with a machine gun.

Joe Rogan 11:11 (laughs)

Narrator 11:13 Wah! Wah!

Kid Rock 11:13 Like, "You machine gun cases of Bud Light."

Narrator 11:16 They wanna put girl ... They won't let guys play in girl sports. Wah!

Joe Rogan 11:18 (dramatic sound effects) (laughs) That was the end. That was really it.

Kid Rock 11:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:22 If there's one moment that they look back on and, and fucking go, "Shit!" It's that moment.

Kid Rock 11:27 Oh, dude, I've talked to him about it.

Joe Rogan 11:28 I know you have.

Kid Rock 11:29 Yeah, you-

Joe Rogan 11:30 Yeah.

Kid Rock 11:31 You were there at the UFC fight.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Yeah, and I met that dude, the CEO.

Kid Rock 11:33 Brendan.

Joe Rogan 11:34 He's a good guy, man.

Kid Rock 11:34 We've become friends.

Joe Rogan 11:35 He's a good guy. He's a, he's a really good guy.

Kid Rock 11:37 He's a, he's a great guy. After five minutes of talking to him, I'm with Trump there in Dana's green room and I go to Trump, I go, "See that dude behind me?" I go, "That's the CEO of Bud Light." Or-

Joe Rogan 11:47 (laughs)

Kid Rock 11:47 Or Anheuser-Busch. And, and Trump's like, "You wanna go talk to him?" Which, in my mind, he was ... T- Trump said, "You wanna go fuck with him?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:55 (laughs)

Kid Rock 11:56 And I'm like, "Yes, absolutely." So we go over there, we're talking to him. We actually had great conversation and at some point, he was telling me how he got the video, and he was actually down in Texas doing some hunting. And I'm like ... We, we talk and talk and I'm not gonna share all our conversation. That'd probably be inappropriate. But I'm like ... (clears throat) I'm like, "Dude, you s- you seem like somebody I'd fucking be friends with and I'd hang out with." He's like, "You would, that's what I'm saying." And I'm like-... oh, come to Nashville. Come visit me. He fucking did.

Joe Rogan 12:24 That's awesome.

Kid Rock 12:25 Came with his top team. Fucking, we broke bread, got fucked up on Bud Light, fucking bowled, like (clears throat) , did all this fun shit. And we had, we had a good meeting beforehand, trying to think if there's something I could do with, with Anheuser-Busch, and I'm, uh, just, it d- I just didn't feel comfortable with it. You know, I threw out some-

Joe Rogan 12:43 Yeah.

Kid Rock 12:43 ... I threw, threw out some ideas that scared the living fuck out of them.

Joe Rogan 12:47 (laughs)

Kid Rock 12:48 And, and at the end of the day, I was like, "Guys, I, I don't feel right taking your money." I was like, I, I go, "We can continue the conversation, see where it ends up, but honestly, I don't want any corporate deals. I don't feel right. There's not a penny on Earth that could make me change who I am or have people look at me in a different way."

Joe Rogan 13:03 Right.

Kid Rock 13:03 You know, even, even though it's probably half the country at this point that-

Joe Rogan 13:06 Yeah.

Kid Rock 13:07 ... likes me and the other half wants to put a bullet in me. Like, (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 13:10 (laughs)

Kid Rock 13:10 ... I understand that. There's no like, "Ah, he's okay." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:13 Right.

Kid Rock 13:13 I've destroyed that. (laughs) There's no, "Kid Rock's okay." (laughs) It's either I fucking hate that kid or-

Joe Rogan 13:18 Or I love that dude.

Kid Rock 13:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Yeah.

Kid Rock 13:19 I'll take a bullet for him.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Yeah.

Kid Rock 13:21 But, you know, we s- we still talk, and-

Joe Rogan 13:23 That's a better place to be, honestly.

Kid Rock 13:25 Yeah, and like I said, you know what I mean? They fucked up. And when you get to the, the grassroots of it, that's what they did. And there's so many people at, uh, that work for that company, and you know all the stuff they've done. We don't have to be-

Joe Rogan 13:33 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 13:33 ... a broken record here.

Joe Rogan 13:34 It's a great company.

Kid Rock 13:36 Right, and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 13:36 They've done amazing things. Anheuser-Busch is an amazing charitable co- company that-

Kid Rock 13:41 (clears throat) Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 13:41 ... they do a lot of great things.

Kid Rock 13:43 Yeah, and I dug into that, and I was educated on it. Um, even before Dana called me about his deal and things like that, you know, people discussed with me, you know, I did a little digging and talked to people, and I'm like, at the end of the day, I'm like, "All right. They got the message." Like, I'm, I'm not someone-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah.

Kid Rock 13:56 ... who holds a fucking grudge his whole life. You know what I mean? And honest to God, I was having a lot of fucking fun. I don't get to pull my machine gun out and film myself-

Joe Rogan 14:03 (laughs)

Kid Rock 14:03 ... doing cool shit too often. I'm just not that type of person. (laughs) But I was like, "This warrants it right here." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:12 (laughs)

Kid Rock 14:12 Get all the Bud Light on property. That was actually all the beer I had on property. I kept a lot of that shit around, more than I thought.

Joe Rogan 14:17 Well, we stopped selling it at the Mothership 'cause nobody's buying it. It got that bad.

Kid Rock 14:21 Hey, you know, what's going on there? I mean-

Joe Rogan 14:23 It's nuts. It's stupid.

Kid Rock 14:24 Is it?

Joe Rogan 14:24 I think it's stupid, and Shane Gillis, uh, brought it back a lot.

Kid Rock 14:27 I love Shane. Shane's a buddy.

Joe Rogan 14:28 He's the best.

Kid Rock 14:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Uh, he brought it back a lot, you know, because he never stopped drinking it, and you know, it's, it's slowly making its way back, and I think the UFC helps a lot too.

Kid Rock 14:40 One of the-

Joe Rogan 14:40 But they took a big hit.

Kid Rock 14:41 One of the things I told them was like, I was like, "I go from the outside looking in, guys, as a friend, you know, somebody who doesn't wanna see this, this brand hurt and destroyed anymore." Like, you g- you got smacked on the ass.

Joe Rogan 14:53 Yeah.

Kid Rock 14:53 You know, and a pretty hard spanking. I was like, "But I don't wanna hold your head underwater and drown this fucking company, put people out of work and that shit." It's like, you got the message, and, and it's clear. I, I wish people knew these guys running the company, 'cause they're great fucking guys, but I said, um, I, I said, "You know, there's just a percentage of these fucking trolls on the left and on the right," that are like, "I'm so empowered by the internet."

Joe Rogan 15:18 Yeah.

Kid Rock 15:18 "I'm gonna piss and bitch and moan," and you know, "I have a voice." It's like, go fuck yourself. All right? Cut it out. Like, if anyone's still spending time on this, you clearly are, are fucking bored. Find something better to do.

Joe Rogan 15:30 Yeah, it's definitely a pursuit of losers, but the problem is those losers can actually affect businesses, and that's what they know. They know now that it's possible, both on the right and on the left.

Kid Rock 15:39 But they need to know there's so many more businesses in this country deserving of that treatment.

Joe Rogan 15:44 Right.

Kid Rock 15:44 Fucking Ben & Jerry's, Starbucks, Target, the list goes on and on.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Yeah.

Kid Rock 15:49 And, and I don't care if they're left wing or right wing, it's just their fucking ideology.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Yeah.

Kid Rock 15:53 Like, you know, when they cross that line and signal to people like myself and many others that they were okay with this transgender thing, and, and more so at like, "Is this gonna get directed at my kids?"

Joe Rogan 16:03 Right.

Kid Rock 16:03 "So you think fucking men should be in women's sports?" Like, nah, nah, nah. That's where I'm drawing the fucking line. Get the fuck out of here.

Joe Rogan 16:09 That's the most amazing one that they're supporting. And the fact that w- was it the Olympic Boxing Committee? What was it that just allowed transgender women-

Kid Rock 16:17 Oh, they're allowing the reverse.

Joe Rogan 16:19 What do you mean?

Kid Rock 16:19 They're allowing, uh, I always get confused here. They're allowing-

Joe Rogan 16:22 Biological females to fight men?

Kid Rock 16:23 ... biological, they're allowing chicks that sow on dicks to fight dudes.

Joe Rogan 16:27 To fight men?

Kid Rock 16:27 Which, I'd tune in for that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:28 Is that real?

Kid Rock 16:30 I think so. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:30 I thought it was biological men who identify as females were gonna be allowed to box.

Kid Rock 16:36 Might be.

Joe Rogan 16:37 I think-

Kid Rock 16:37 I thought it was the other way too, but I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Jamie'll find out.

Narrator 16:40 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:41 Yeah. The other one was e- the o- the other one's easy. Sure. You think, go ahead. Do it. Go for it. But at the end of the day, you're gonna have to take steroids, and it's supposed to be illegal to take steroids. Like, if you are taking synthetic testosterone, you're, you're taking steroids. And if y- so if you're doing that-

Kid Rock 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 ... and you're becoming a man through that, who's to say that the men can't do it too? Like, it's just-

Kid Rock 17:03 Do we even have to think that deep about it? You can't just look at it and go like, "No, that's fucking wrong. Cut it out." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:08 Well, it should 100% be wrong for biological males to compete against biological females. That's just-

Kid Rock 17:14 Period.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Period. And any bullshit that you say, like trans women are women, well, guess what? They're not. They're not biologically. They're not. They can identify as a woman. You wanna call yourself Sally, I'll, I'll call you Sally. I'm a nice guy. Policy states that minors under the 18 must compete in their birth gender. In the weight class outlined in the rule book, transgender women over 18 can only compete in the female category if they undergo genital reassignment surgery and submit to quarterly hormone tests for at least four years following surgery. The guidelines which define normal ranges of testosterone... See, but this is just, it's, this is still not good enough. The people don't understand all the different variables-

Kid Rock 17:54 I didn't understand any of that. (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 17:56 I went into it deeply, unfortunately. Transgender men over 18 have to meet similar requirements. They must undergo genital reassignment surg- transgender men? Genital reassignment surgery? So you have to get a fake dick? (laughs) You have to, in order to box. Submit quarterly... That sounds insane.

Kid Rock 18:13 Are there donor dicks?

Joe Rogan 18:14 They should be.

Kid Rock 18:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:15 Right? Do you know they can't donate testosterone?

Kid Rock 18:16 Maybe a kidney or like-

Narrator 18:17 (laughs)

Kid Rock 18:17 ... a heart or something like... Could you, is there, are there donor dicks? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:20 They can't- they definitely do, for guys who get their dicks blown off, they get them new dicks.

Kid Rock 18:23 Are they switching? Like, "Hey, I wanna be a man. I wanna be a woman." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:26 I haven't heard of that yet, but I'm sure that's coming.

Kid Rock 18:29 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 18:29 But what they do not do is they don't give you the balls.... because if someone switches your balls, like say if you donate your balls, if you die in a car accident and you donate your balls to science or whatever, and someone takes your balls and sows them on, that'll be your kids. Your genes will come out of those balls. So it won't-

Kid Rock 18:47 Ah.

Joe Rogan 18:47 That sounds fun.

Kid Rock 18:48 That won't be like a new person.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Yeah.

Kid Rock 18:50 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 18:50 I mean, it won't be like this person's genes carrying on, it'll be your genes carrying on through your balls that are attached to this guy. So-

Kid Rock 18:58 And wh-

Joe Rogan 18:58 ... that's not ethical.

Kid Rock 18:58 And why does this always, like come up in conversation? Is it the media? I think-

Joe Rogan 19:03 Yeah.

Kid Rock 19:03 Because I don't remember the last time like I seen it. And by the way, if you're transgender and you're really fucking good at it, no one knows. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:11 Right.

Kid Rock 19:11 It's usually not the case, although only time I've been around transgender people is like some crazy club like in Miami or New York back in the day. And gotta say, fun.

Joe Rogan 19:20 It was rare.

Kid Rock 19:22 Yeah, but I mean, they used to have those clubs where they weren't, it'd be a fucking blast, no big deal.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kid Rock 19:25 Like, it's this is America. Freedom. If you wanna fucking be that, go ahead, like I'll exist with you in society.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Yeah.

Kid Rock 19:32 You're probably not getting the dinner invite.

Joe Rogan 19:34 (laughs)

Kid Rock 19:34 But, but you know, if you're out and about, like we can both shop at Walmart, I'm not gonna freak out.

Joe Rogan 19:39 Yeah.

Kid Rock 19:39 If you're not fucking with me, I'm not fucking with you.

Joe Rogan 19:41 Yeah.

Kid Rock 19:41 No matter who you are.

Joe Rogan 19:42 And that's how it should be.

Kid Rock 19:43 Yeah, it's pretty simple.

Joe Rogan 19:43 That's how it should be.

Kid Rock 19:44 It's common sense.

Joe Rogan 19:45 Yeah, you should be able to do whatever you want. But when you wanna compete as a woman or you wanna start, you know, if you're a 50-year-old man, you wanna compete against young girls, which is what's going on in Canada. There's a guy who's 50 who identifies as a teenage girl. They let him compete in swim meets with girls and change in the locker room with them. That's-

Kid Rock 20:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:02 You're, you're, now you're insane. Now you're taking it too far, and that's the problem. No one's ever happy with us moving the goalpost a little bit. They wanna move them, reestablish, move them further, move them further, move them further.

Kid Rock 20:15 I had a thought about that. (clears throat) So I'm thinking like, "It's Black History Month, right?" I can get down with that. That makes sense. I think November is like Native American Month. I can get down with that. That makes sense. The thing I'm struggling with is Pride Month and Veteran's Day. Ugh.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Right.

Kid Rock 20:34 See the fucking balance there?

Joe Rogan 20:35 Yeah.

Kid Rock 20:36 I'm like-

Joe Rogan 20:36 It's a good point.

Kid Rock 20:37 ... should we, should we flip that?

Joe Rogan 20:38 Yeah, that's a good point. That's a real good point. Yeah. It's a weird time, man. It's a weird time, because there's like so many fucking weird people that are involved in promoting these things and, and pushing them and changing what's normal and what's not normal to regular people.

Kid Rock 20:54 Yeah, it's just fucking weirdos and all those fucking mentally ill fucking nutcases. That's why I-

Joe Rogan 20:59 Uh-huh.

Kid Rock 20:59 That's honestly why I carry a gun everywhere, where I'm legal to or I have somebody with me. It used to be like, "Okay, if I'm going somewhere where I thought, you know, that would, you know, make sense to do." I, I, you know, I've always had a concealed weapons permit everywhere and, and whatnot. I'm s- gun enthusiast. Um, but in the last, I don't know how many years, five, so many years, it's like carry a fucking gun everywhere just 'cau- just 'cause of that. Like just fucking people that are unstable.

Joe Rogan 21:27 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 21:27 You never know when one of these motherfuckers is gonna lose it, and you're just sitting there defenseless.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Yeah. Yeah, it's a strange time, man, in so many ways. People are just, uh, on edge.

Kid Rock 21:38 I gotta imagine they were, they were saying the same shit like in the '60s and '70s.

Joe Rogan 21:42 (clears throat) They were.

Kid Rock 21:42 You know? It's hard.

Joe Rogan 21:43 But the '60s and '70s were fucked too. We just forgot, because the '80s were so easy. The '80s and the '90s were everyone was kind of coasting. And then, you know-

Kid Rock 21:51 Everyone was on blow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:53 There was a little bit of that. But it was also-

Kid Rock 21:56 The '80s.

Joe Rogan 21:56 ... the, you know, the Cold War ended, the s- collapse of the Soviet Union. We weren't worried. There wasn't like this existential threat hanging over our heads.

Kid Rock 22:04 But now it's back.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Now it's back.

Kid Rock 22:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:05 Yeah, fun times.

Kid Rock 22:07 We've done a 360.

Joe Rogan 22:08 Fun times. Real fun. Chinese people are entering over the border.

Kid Rock 22:13 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 22:14 Yeah.

Kid Rock 22:14 I had no thought on that. I think I saw it on a T-shirt. I, I don't take credit for everything I say 'cause I'm most likely, I'm just repeating something I saw somewhere.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Right.

Kid Rock 22:23 But it's like, you know, they wanna do away with gas stoves, make them electric, electric cars. I'm like, "Why don't we start with that wall?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:31 (laughs)

Kid Rock 22:31 "Fuck it, make that fucker electric. Put up some solar panels." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:36 Yeah.

Kid Rock 22:36 China built one, how many thousands of years ago? Fuck it, make it a tourist attraction, charge people. Go fucking hang out on the wall, put some fucking Louis Vuitton stores on it or some shit.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Well, it's a, it's a real weird thing, like what they're doing. And there's so many different people that have opinions about why they're leaving it open and why they're allowing people to come in and, and, you know, setting them up and... Dr. Phil was on here yesterday, and he was talking about it, and how-

Kid Rock 22:58 I like Dr. Phil.

Joe Rogan 22:59 He's a great guy. He's starting his own network.

Kid Rock 23:01 I played his show years ago.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Did you?

Kid Rock 23:03 It was like so many of, anniversary show, and turned out it was one of his favorite acts, and I fucking played a banjo on there.

Joe Rogan 23:09 Oh, that's awesome.

Kid Rock 23:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:11 He's a good dude.

Kid Rock 23:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:12 I know him through... I'm, I'm friends with his son. His son's a good friend of mine.

Kid Rock 23:15 All right.

Joe Rogan 23:15 But he's, uh, he's starting a network. Like he's just so fed up with the news and the way things are portrayed and these biased ways, and he wants to have objective news, and he, so he created his own network.

Kid Rock 23:27 The HR department? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:30 Yeah. Yeah. It's a fucking very bizarre time, and I'm sure it's gonna get more bizarre. We're gonna look back on these days one day like, "Oh, remember the good old days? We just, all you're complaining about was transgender women competing in sports."

Kid Rock 23:42 (laughs) Yeah. Kid only wanted to be a cat, took a litter box at school.

Joe Rogan 23:47 (laughs)

Kid Rock 23:47 Fuck the good old days. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:50 (laughs) Yeah, people don't get better.

Kid Rock 23:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:51 Like society doesn't get better, just gets... unless something happens, unless they figure out some sort of mind reading software or whatever.

Kid Rock 23:57 Well, unfortunately, usually that turns out to be tragedy.

Joe Rogan 24:02 Right.

Kid Rock 24:02 You know, when something really fucked up happens, you know, like what happened in Israel or worse.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Right.

Kid Rock 24:08 You know, that tends to bring nations and people together on different levels, unfortunately.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Like 9/11, remember 9/11?

Kid Rock 24:13 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 24:15 When 9/11 happened, I tell everybody, like even in Los Angeles, which is probably the most unpatriotic place on Earth, everybody had an American flag on their car. People were letting people in lanes. They were waving to people. They were friendly. They felt united.

Kid Rock 24:29 Mm-hmm. I remember.

Joe Rogan 24:29 It was interesting.

Kid Rock 24:30 I remember.

Joe Rogan 24:31 It didn't last long, a few months.

Kid Rock 24:33 Everybody ha- half the country didn't hate George W. Bush for almost 48 hours. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:39 They didn't hate him at all when he gave that one great speech.

Kid Rock 24:42 No, I mean, it was, it was a couple of weeks-

Joe Rogan 24:44 Yeah.

Kid Rock 24:44 ... or a couple of months, whatever it was. But then-

Joe Rogan 24:46 There was-

Kid Rock 24:46 ... things kind of went back to normal.

Joe Rogan 24:47 There was a lot of liberals that liked him after that. They were like, "That's what you want when you're in times of war. You want a strong leader."

Kid Rock 24:53 That's too bad we can't get to that without, you know, having-... something terrible happened.

Joe Rogan 24:58 I know. Wow, that's-

Kid Rock 24:58 If we could just have a little more civil discourse in this country... You can go, tell me to go fuck myself, you, you hate Trump and my politics. I mean, fuck you, but I'll still sit down and have a beer with you.

Joe Rogan 25:08 (laughs)

Kid Rock 25:08 Like, we, we don't have to have this fucking goddamn going-for-your-throat. And I'm part of the problem. I've, I've been polarizing, you know, no, no question. My last album, that's what it was all about, but... Or a, a good portion of it, a- and I understand that. But I even said that album, I was like, "I'm gonna get this out of my system, and hopefully we can go back-"

Joe Rogan 25:25 (laughs)

Kid Rock 25:25 "... to having some civil discourse in this country."

Joe Rogan 25:27 Did you think about it that way?

Kid Rock 25:27 That was actually one of my s- that was actually one of my suggestions to, to Bud Light. I was like, "What if you could use this to not only make fun..." My, my thing was like, "You guys need to poke fun at this." Like, people are angry 'cause you didn't apologize. I'm like, "I don't necessarily agree with apologizing over everything in this day and age." Everything's become a fucking big, "I'm sorry." Fuck that. Like, what you should do is, like, make fun of the situation. Have something that shows light of the situation, but do it in that fun fucking Anheuser-Busch, old school, funny fucking way, where like, "We get it. We fucked up. Like, you know, well, we don't..." I, I, I told Brennan, I was like, "Whoever coached you on that CBS Morning show..." I was like, "You were coached, right?" He was like, "I was." I was like, "Fucking Gayle King set it up." She goes, "Would you send that can back to that influencer?" And he goes into this, "Well, Anheuser-Busch has been supporting, you know, the LGBT, ABCD."

Joe Rogan 26:18 Nah.

Kid Rock 26:18 I'm like, "What the fuck, man? All you had to do is say, like, 'Look. No, we would not. While we want everyone to enjoy our beer, we understand that we shouldn't be sticking our noses into polarizing conversations, and we understand who our market is. And at the end of the day, we're in business to sell beer, keep people employed, give our sh- shareholders back, you know, a return,' fucking end of it."

Joe Rogan 26:41 Right.

Kid Rock 26:41 "You didn't have to throw trans people under the bus or any of that shit."

Joe Rogan 26:44 Right.

Kid Rock 26:44 "You just fucking..." I was like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 26:47 That's actually good advice.

Kid Rock 26:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:51 It's pretty solid advice. Ladies and gentlemen, introducing the head of marketing for Bud Light, Kid Rock.

Kid Rock 26:58 That would be their ultimate move. It'd be funny as shit.

Joe Rogan 27:01 (laughs) Are you, are you to pick the commercials-

Kid Rock 27:02 I, I told him I should do a s- we should do a skit like the Kenny Powers, uh, K-Swiss.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Oh, 100%.

Kid Rock 27:07 But it's like, you know, I walk in as VP and start fucking with people. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:11 (laughs) That would work. They, but they need to get back to, you know, remember when they used, they used to have those Real Men of Genius ads?

Kid Rock 27:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 It was fun. They-

Kid Rock 27:19 It was.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Bud Light was fun. It was a f- I did, I did a tour with those guys, the Real Men of Comedy.

Kid Rock 27:25 I can't believe looking through all my old pictures how many pictures I found with, like, a fucking Bud Light in my hand, like fishing, doing something, or, like, playing Sturgis with a big Bud Light, you know, next to the stage. Like, you know-

Joe Rogan 27:36 Yeah.

Kid Rock 27:36 ... I've done so much cool, good shit, but... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:39 Well, that's why when a guy like you shoots the cans, everybody goes, "Oh, that's it. It's over. It's over."

Kid Rock 27:44 Hey, trust me, I don't have one of these teams of people. It's like-

Joe Rogan 27:49 Right.

Kid Rock 27:49 It's me, like, you know? Maybe Corey who's here with me, I'm like, "Ah, let's have some fun. Go get all the fucking... Tell Farm Guys to get all the fucking Bud Light shit together and grab, grab my fucking MP5." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:01 (laughs) Yeah, I didn't think you ran that by a marketing department.

Kid Rock 28:03 No.

Joe Rogan 28:03 (laughs)

Kid Rock 28:04 There's not much that goes through one over here.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Well, a marketing department for a guy like you would just fuck things up. What kind of advice could they possibly give you? They'd have to be maniacs too, and then they would never be in marketing.

Kid Rock 28:15 I've had more people, managers and stuff, through the years tell me, uh... Which I took as a compliment. Th- they told me, like, "Just everything you've done to get where you're at, I would have told you no."

Joe Rogan 28:26 Yeah.

Kid Rock 28:26 And I think that's honest-

Joe Rogan 28:27 Yeah.

Kid Rock 28:27 ... 'cause I get, you know, done some, I guess, you could call it crazy polarizing, whatever type of shit. Just, it's really, I just, I speak my mind. I haven't changed one bit. I came out fucking like this with middle fingers on the CDs, like-

Joe Rogan 28:40 Yeah.

Kid Rock 28:40 And I haven't changed, but holy shit, the times have.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Yeah, well, it's, it's obvious, though, that it's all you. That's what people like. In this day and age where everything is sort of planned ahead and-

Kid Rock 28:51 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:52 ... it's bullshit and scripted and-

Kid Rock 28:54 You've seen behind the curtain-

Joe Rogan 28:56 Sure.

Kid Rock 28:56 ... of these pop stars and people-

Joe Rogan 28:58 100%.

Kid Rock 28:58 ... with big levels and their teams-

Joe Rogan 28:59 Yeah.

Kid Rock 28:59 ... and everything's fucking-

Joe Rogan 29:00 They're trapped.

Kid Rock 29:01 It's like a politician, you know, like, buying it won't, can't say anything off the teleprompter.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Well, of course he can't, but it, it's also, it's y- you got a whole team of people behind you that got a bunch of people that wanna keep their jobs and they wanna play it safe. They wanna play it safe, and they want to figure out, "Which way is the wind blowing? This is what we're gonna do." And you see it in celebrities and people turn on them now, because it's like so disingenuous, and they realize what you're doing.

Kid Rock 29:25 Mm-hmm. They can see right through it.

Joe Rogan 29:26 You're gonna lose a giant percentage of people that are knowing that a marketing team is behind everything you say.

Kid Rock 29:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:31 That's what... So when a guy like you... It's obvious that that was your idea. Like, who the fuck is gonna say-

Kid Rock 29:37 It wasn't even an idea. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:39 Whatever it was-

Kid Rock 29:40 It's just-

Joe Rogan 29:40 ... a thought that popped into your head that you acted on.

Kid Rock 29:42 That's pretty much what it is.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Yeah, that's, that's obvious-

Kid Rock 29:44 That's what they all are. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:45 But that's what people like. That's what people like. Th- they're like real people.

Kid Rock 29:50 And sometimes you don't always turn a ten.

Joe Rogan 29:52 No.

Kid Rock 29:52 You're like, "Oh yeah, maybe I should've thought that one through a little bit more." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:56 Most of the things I say. When you think about it, I mean, I've done so many podcasts hammered, and then after we're, we're all l- listening or thinking about what we said, like, "What did we say?" Like... (laughs)

Kid Rock 30:05 Oh boy. Story of my fucking life.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Yeah, but people like that. They like real humans. They don't want some fucking pre-programmed bullshit shoved down their throat just to make a little bit more money.

Kid Rock 30:16 Well, that's incredible.

Joe Rogan 30:17 No one's looking for that.

Kid Rock 30:17 That, that kind of seems like a big, a big chunk of the country-

Joe Rogan 30:21 Yeah.

Kid Rock 30:21 ... wants that. They wanna go back to this normal-

Joe Rogan 30:24 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 30:25 ... fucked up D.C., all the bullshit that's been going on there. I, I would dare say in our, for our lifetimes. We've just... It's just become a lot, lot more out in the open for several reasons, you know, social media and, and the sharing of media worldwide and fucking Trump pulling everyone's fucking pants down there.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah.

Kid Rock 30:42 Showing 'em, "Look, everyone has a small penis in this fucking town. See, I just showed it to you."

Joe Rogan 30:46 Well, they're-

Kid Rock 30:47 They act like they have the biggest dicks on Earth.

Joe Rogan 30:49 One thing no one can deny is that he exposed the media.... expose the media for being e- essentially a propaganda agent. It's not just the news.

Kid Rock 30:59 Yup.

Joe Rogan 31:00 And to pretend it's the news, they never covered anything that he did that was positive. Anything had some negative spin on it. They spent years talking about some fake collusion story with Russia and never apologized for it, never took it back, and they'll allow people on this show to s- to, to, to support that, to try to justify that, or to try to e- even say that it's not true, that he did co- collaborate with Russia.

Kid Rock 31:29 How many times have you been watching the evening news... I'm a sucker for news, like, and I'll flip between them, I'll flip between CNN and MSNBC and Fox, you know. I... Mainly Fox, but then I'll watch a- the evening news. I'll watch ABC one night, NBC. This is one s- this is just one example, there's a million of them as you know, but, like, they're talking about January 6th, and they completely edit his speech.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Yeah.

Kid Rock 31:51 They take out the part where he says, "Let's march down there peacefully," or whatever. He actually-

Joe Rogan 31:55 Yeah.

Kid Rock 31:55 ... says that, and they cut it out. He says, "We're gonna march down to the Capitol," cut-

Joe Rogan 32:00 Yeah.

Kid Rock 32:00 ... and then they go, "If you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country."

Joe Rogan 32:03 Yup.

Kid Rock 32:03 I mean, how the fuck do they get away with that?

Joe Rogan 32:05 They, they get away with it because they are the news and no one's checking them. There's not another new... If the news was real, the other news organizations would go, "This is horrible propaganda and what you've done is you, you've edited out a former president, you've changed his words. This should be illegal. You're taking it completely out of context." The whole thing is so fucking screwball. Every single presidential race we've ever had that I can remember, people contested the results. Hillary Clinton-

Kid Rock 32:38 When Hillary Clinton did it-

Joe Rogan 32:39 Yeah.

Kid Rock 32:39 ... and Stacey Abrams.

Joe Rogan 32:40 They all said-

Kid Rock 32:41 No fucking big deal.

Joe Rogan 32:42 ... he didn't really win the election. They all said there was Russian collusion. They all said that he was-

Kid Rock 32:48 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 32:48 ... essentially an agent of Russia. They all said that he's an illegitimate president. They all said that he didn't win the election. They all said that. There was so many people that said it.

Kid Rock 33:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:00 It was nuts.

Kid Rock 33:01 That old pencil neck fucking dick fuck, uh, Adam Schiff. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:06 D- it's, it's crazy how people still listen to those folks. How can you be wrong about some-

Kid Rock 33:11 You know what's crazy about that... How about that election, I'm not a conspiracy guy or whatever, but I'm like, "Fucking, it just seems like shenanigans." What's w-

Joe Rogan 33:17 I love when anybody says, "I'm not a conspiracy guy."

Kid Rock 33:19 Does that mean I'm a conspiracy-

Joe Rogan 33:21 But it's about to say some wild shit. (laughs)

Kid Rock 33:21 All right, I'm a, I'm a total fucking conspiracy guy, fuck it.

Joe Rogan 33:23 (laughs)

Kid Rock 33:24 (laughs) I don't, I don't give a shit either way. But, I was like, there's so many fucking shenanigans that I just... It's coming so fast with the COVID shit and-

Joe Rogan 33:32 Yeah.

Kid Rock 33:32 ... the, the ballots all over the place. You know, Secretary of States are taking liberties, but-

Joe Rogan 33:36 Here's my position on it.

Kid Rock 33:37 But wait, let me, let me finish this one.

Joe Rogan 33:39 Go ahead. Please.

Kid Rock 33:39 It was, it was that... Hold on, I have to lose my train of thought. Sec- Secretary of State.

Joe Rogan 33:43 Sorry.

Kid Rock 33:43 It was, it was that... Okay, so these... The biggest corporations on the face of the Earth are getting hacked.

Joe Rogan 33:51 Right.

Kid Rock 33:51 But there's absolutely no way you can get in this election thing. I'm like, "Then why aren't these corporations using that technology? Why are they still getting fucking hacked?" I, that doesn't just make up in my... I, I just can't figure that out in my fucking mind.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Well, the, the thing, the statement is there's no evidence that they've been hacked.

Kid Rock 34:08 Doesn't mean, yeah... It ain't a crime but you don't get caught, either.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Which is true. It is true.

Kid Rock 34:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:11 But there, there is evidence that you can hack those machines, right? And wasn't-

Kid Rock 34:16 There is.

Joe Rogan 34:16 ... wasn't that, Jamie, the subject of they were gonna update the machines in 2024 or something like that? But they, they're gonna, they're gonna update them, but they weren't at, at a certain point and time when they were recording this, where they were, uh, reporting on this rather, they, they hadn't updated them. Here's my, my take on this: ele- uh, election fraud is never zero. It's not 0%, right? We can all agree to that, right?

Kid Rock 34:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:43 I think we can all agree that there's people that are complete maniacs, that are maniacs for the Democrats or maniacs for the Republicans, and they will do whatever the fuck it takes to get their person to win. There are certain human beings like that that exist, especially in these, like, very polarized groups. And especially when you've got a guy that you've been comparing to Hitler forever, so you can kind of treat him as if Hitler's coming, "Let's stop Hitler."

Kid Rock 35:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:10 "Let's..." w- literally, literally.

Kid Rock 35:12 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 35:12 You can think like that.

Kid Rock 35:13 And they're doing it right now.

Joe Rogan 35:14 You can get people to think like that. And the, the moral question would be, "If you knew you could stop Hitler from being president, would you do it, and how would you do it?" And then they act that way.

Kid Rock 35:26 Such bullshit.

Joe Rogan 35:26 But what they don't recognize is that is deeply un-American. And the only way you're gonna beat this person, or any person who runs for president, is to be better than them. That's what this country is supposed to be about. It's supposed to be about a meritocracy. It's supposed to be who is the best leader. Is it her? Is it him? Who is it? Who's the best leader? And that's the person we should gravitate towards. Who has the mo- the ideas that make the most sense? Who's the one who understands what the fuck is going on internationally on a deep sense, who really can tell you, like, what the, the, the people, the puppeteers behind the strings, like, how this is all happening?

Kid Rock 36:05 A- well, I think a lot of that would be taken away if we cap the money. Like, you can raise-

Joe Rogan 36:09 Yes.

Kid Rock 36:10 ... let's call it $10 million.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Yes.

Kid Rock 36:11 You can each raise $10 million. Now, let's see who spends it the wisest.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Well, it's... It seems insane that you could just donate fucking untold millions of dollars to these Super PACs and they can support these presidents. They're essentially running the country, 'cause you can't beat them, and they play dirty. They play so dirty.

Kid Rock 36:31 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 36:32 I mean, it's, it's kind of impressive.

Kid Rock 36:34 It's dirty.

Joe Rogan 36:34 But it's also you're, they're exposing the wiring under the machine in a, in a way that it's never been exposed before. You know, we never were totally aware of how wild it is that, you know, there's a group of people that no one ever thinks about called the Deep State.

Kid Rock 36:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:51 That is real. And it is like-

Kid Rock 36:53 Oh, they're gonna, they're gonna run Biden right out of there. Make no mistake.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Oh, they're running him out right now.

Kid Rock 36:56 They're fucking running him out.

Joe Rogan 36:58 That's why all these crimes or all these, these things that he's being charged for... And then that judge's decision. How about that judge's decision that he was too mentally compromised...... to, to be tried.

Kid Rock 37:10 That was the, uh, prosecutor's decision, or what-

Joe Rogan 37:13 Was it? Is that what it was?

Kid Rock 37:14 The investigators, HUR, whatever his name was, H-U-R. And that wasn't-

Joe Rogan 37:17 So who was it? Was-

Kid Rock 37:17 ... that was in his report.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Yeah, let's, um, see what the-

Kid Rock 37:20 But do you need that f-

Joe Rogan 37:20 ... exact quote was, 'cause w-

Kid Rock 37:21 Does anybody out there need that fucking report to just watch this guy (laughs) and go like-

Joe Rogan 37:25 Of course not.

Kid Rock 37:26 ... "Hey, I feel bad for him, he's fucking old."

Joe Rogan 37:28 It's total gaslighting, right?

Kid Rock 37:28 Right? We're all gonna get there someday.

Joe Rogan 37:30 Yeah.

Kid Rock 37:30 It's like, can you not fucking look at this guy and go like, "Some..." I can look in his fucking eyes and go like, "Something's not fucking there, something's wrong."

Joe Rogan 37:39 It's the people that work under him, because if they... If he goes, they go. Then everybody gets appointed by the new person. The report described in-

Kid Rock 37:47 Special Counsel.

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah. Okay. Uh, spec- the, the, the report (laughs) described the 81-year-old Democrat's memory as... I wonder why, why they write that, the 81-year-old Democrat. How about the president? How about the president's memory? As hazy, fuzzy, faulty, poor, and having significant limitations. It noted that Biden could not recall defining milestones in his own life, such as when his son Beau died, or when he served as vice president.

Kid Rock 38:13 Yeah. God, God bless his son.

Joe Rogan 38:14 Um, but thi- think about just that, the way they wrote that, the 81-year-old Democrat's memory. Why would they write that?

Kid Rock 38:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:22 That seems so nuts.

Kid Rock 38:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:24 (laughs)

Kid Rock 38:25 Little, little political.

Joe Rogan 38:26 He's the president, he's not just a random democrat. Like, what defines him? If you got one word, you go with democrat?

Kid Rock 38:33 Is that the, is that the Washington AP writing that, or is that in the special prosecutor's report? I was unclear.

Joe Rogan 38:38 I was unclear as well.

Kid Rock 38:40 'Cause that's different.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Right.

Kid Rock 38:42 Of course the AP is gonna say that.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Of course, but even if they say that-

Kid Rock 38:44 I don't... I can't see the special prosecutor saying that.

Joe Rogan 38:47 But it's ju-... No, I don't think they-

Kid Rock 38:47 'Cause then it sounds very political.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Yeah. But it's, it's such a crazy thing to say, to call him a democrat. He's the president! He's our leader!

Kid Rock 38:54 I have to... I won't put it past the media, I'll find out.

Joe Rogan 38:56 It's wild. But it's... This is wha- what I'm saying about, like, the wiring under the board has been exposed in a way that it's never been exposed before, where you're looking at him and you go, "What? What are you guys doing?" (laughs) He can't, he can't stand trial 'cause he's mentally unfit, but he can run the country. Don't worry about it.

Kid Rock 39:12 He can't speak.

Joe Rogan 39:13 And he's gonna run again.

Kid Rock 39:14 He can hardly fucking walk.

Joe Rogan 39:15 But it seems like when they release information like that, they know what they're doing. They're slowly chipping away at it, and by the time probably, I would say, like, May rolls around, it'll probably be Gavin Newsom. That would be my guess. If I was... I'm not, like, playing this sport, so I'm watching it from the sideline. I'm like, "What would I do? How would I... What moves would I do?"

Kid Rock 39:36 I can't. How the fuck can they run Gavin... I, I keep hearing that, Gavin Newsom, Michelle Obama. Like, Gavin News-... How the fuck?

Joe Rogan 39:42 There's-

Kid Rock 39:43 When you, when you just look at California, one of the most beautiful states, arguably the most beautiful-

Joe Rogan 39:48 Yeah. Yup.

Kid Rock 39:49 ... in America. Resources for days, fucking everything, and they just... Him, fucking Pelosi, fucking Maxine Waters, fucking Adam Schiff. They just fucked the whole state up, like, fucked it up. Everybody's running for the fucking hills.

Joe Rogan 40:04 You gotta wonder how much of it is by design. You gotta wonder of it how much is designed to make the population more unstable, more violent, more scared, more crime, less, less ability to prosper. Everybody goes d-... Like, everyone's much more vulnerable. Well, this... Like, you-

Kid Rock 40:26 That seems like a lot of work for the Democrats, though.

Joe Rogan 40:29 (sighs) It seems like-

Kid Rock 40:29 Crime?

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... something is probably behind it that's bigger than that. And if I would guess, it's probably-

Kid Rock 40:36 You're not a conspiracy theorist, right?

Joe Rogan 40:37 ... for money. I am 100% a conspiracy theorist.

Kid Rock 40:39 Oh, right. Fuck.

Joe Rogan 40:40 I, I love a good conspiracy.

Kid Rock 40:42 Must be, must be good.

Joe Rogan 40:42 I believed in Bigfoot until about eight years ago. (laughs)

Kid Rock 40:45 Fucking the yeti is another story. (laughs) I didn't say I didn't believe in the yeti.

Joe Rogan 40:49 I don't anymore.

Kid Rock 40:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:51 But I, I was all in for a while. But I've b-... I've been down so many rabbit holes, so many 9/11 rabbit holes, so many, you know, Bohemian Grove rabbit holes.

Kid Rock 41:01 I've... I went there once.

Joe Rogan 41:02 Stolen bones.

Kid Rock 41:03 I got kicked out. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:04 Did you? You went to the Grove?

Kid Rock 41:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 Oh, shit. Why'd you get kicked out?

Kid Rock 41:07 Fucking weird. (laughs) Fucking weird. I punched a kid in the head.

Joe Rogan 41:11 You punched a kid in the head?

Kid Rock 41:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:13 In Bohemian Grove?

Kid Rock 41:14 Yeah. It turns out, it turns out this fucking kid was an infiltrator. So then after that, I was-

Joe Rogan 41:21 Oh.

Kid Rock 41:21 ... kind of this hero. Like, a year or two later, he'd come back and it was like, "I'm not coming to your little fucking weird party out in the fucking woods." I was like, "I went once. It ain't that cool."

Joe Rogan 41:29 So the infiltrator... What happened with you and the infiltrator?

Kid Rock 41:33 We're sitting around... We're sitting around this fire. You have these little... They're kinda like tree houses or campsites, but they're really nice. Everyone has a private shuff. Got, like, you know-

Joe Rogan 41:42 Really?

Kid Rock 41:42 Yeah. You do share a room. Me and Jimmy John shared a room. That was fun.

Joe Rogan 41:46 (laughs)

Kid Rock 41:46 Um, and I kept hearing kids talking around this fire, and they just pop... started popping that shit, and I just fucking went at them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:54 Oh.

Kid Rock 41:54 Gave him a couple, helped him up. Was like, "Hey, we good?" (laughs) We were... I think, you know... We weren't on great terms, but I think we had an understanding. It wasn't... It was just, you know, one of those things. And then I couldn't go to the, to the concert that night, where I think Zach Brown or somebody was playing. Like, "You can't come."

Joe Rogan 42:11 Oh, my God.

Kid Rock 42:11 Like, I just sat home like I was in fucking timeout or something. I'm like, "Fuck this place."

Joe Rogan 42:15 Meanwhile-

Kid Rock 42:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:16 ... you're Kid Rock and you're getting left alone by these people with some fucking crazy person, and you defend yourself.

Kid Rock 42:22 (laughs) Fucking weird.

Joe Rogan 42:24 There's gonna be a certain percentage of people that are just out of their fucking minds, and if you haven't vetted them, that's on you. Don't kick 'em out.

Kid Rock 42:30 Hey, for, for all I remember, it could've been drunk shit or whatever. It wasn't the end of the world. It was a little tussle and a little hit the ground, maybe a punch here and there. It was like... You know, then it was done. It wasn't like, you know.

Joe Rogan 42:39 But it was a fight.

Kid Rock 42:40 I guess you-

Joe Rogan 42:41 You're just a nice guy. You didn't beat him to death.

Kid Rock 42:43 It was a tuh-... It was a tussle.

Joe Rogan 42:44 You're a nice guy. But it's, um... How many people infiltrate that place? 'Cause a bunch of people have filmed videos there now.

Kid Rock 42:51 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 42:52 Alex Jones was the first. Him and Jon Ronson. This is back before Alex Jones was persona non grata, and people would do legit- like, legitimate journalists like Jon Ronson would do these things with him.

Kid Rock 43:02 Not familiar.

Joe Rogan 43:03 You've never seen that video of them in Bohemian Grove?

Kid Rock 43:05 I've never heard of Jon Ronson.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Jon Ronson's a brilliant guy. He's the, uh ... What, what is his ex- he's an author. He wrote that book, uh, So You're Getting Publicly Shamed about, like, social media shaming. You know? Like, he's an interesting guy. He's a very funny guy. But he ... So he went with, uh, Alex to Bohemian Grove, and they filmed these rituals. These people dressed like druids, and they're burning this effigy in front of a giant owl statue.

Kid Rock 43:29 (laughs) Oh, the ... I was at the owl statue.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Yeah.

Kid Rock 43:31 This is fucking hilarious.

Joe Rogan 43:32 (laughs)

Kid Rock 43:32 So I'm there on day one, right? And we're drinking beers, like, it's pretty laid back. There, there's some really cool talks. I remember this dude talking about shooting asteroids out that would ... might hit the earth in so many years.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Oh, really?

Kid Rock 43:42 Shit like that. I'm like, "Fuck, this is cool."

Joe Rogan 43:44 Oh, wow.

Kid Rock 43:44 But the first day, it was the first evening, and you gather around whatever, that owl by this lake, if I remember correctly, which could be a little hazy. It was a long time ago. And, like, I'm, I'm ... I've heard about this place. I'm like, "This is some real secret-ass shit, man."

Joe Rogan 43:58 (laughs)

Kid Rock 43:58 I can't believe I'm fucking here, right? And it's just a trove of celebrities. Fucking everywhere you turn, it's just fucking A, fucking A. So you go there, and I'm, like, thinking we're gonna hear some shit, right? They're gonna ... They're about to introduce the first speaker, and I'm like, "Fuck, this is gonna be some shit." And they're like ... And no offense against this guy. We, uh, we consider him friendly. We have very good mutual friends. But they're like, "Ladies and gentlemen, Tony Danza."

Joe Rogan 44:22 (laughs)

Kid Rock 44:22 And I'm like, and I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "Come on, man. Who's the fucking boss? Tell them bitches."

Joe Rogan 44:28 (laughs)

Kid Rock 44:28 Wish he would've just gone up there and been like, "Who's the boss, bitch?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:31 That's hilarious.

Kid Rock 44:32 I was like, "No fucking way, man." I was like, "We came all the way to this secret-ass shit." And I love Tony. Fucking love him, but I'm like, "Come on, man."

Joe Rogan 44:41 (laughs)

Kid Rock 44:42 I was like, "They brought Reagan back from the dead, and he's gonna speak, or a hologram or some shit." Like ...

Joe Rogan 44:47 You were hoping for some devil shit.

Kid Rock 44:49 Just some crazy shit-

Joe Rogan 44:50 Yeah.

Kid Rock 44:50 ... one way or the other. He was, he was a very good speaker, I gotta say, but ...

Joe Rogan 44:53 Maybe they toned it down. Maybe they toned it down-

Kid Rock 44:55 This has to be 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 44:56 ... after they'd been infiltrated. Oh, really?

Kid Rock 44:58 I, I'm terrible with dates, but it's long time ago.

Joe Rogan 45:00 Okay, because when Alex snuck in, was like ... This is, like, the '90s, Jamie? What was it? Like, when Alex Jones and Jon Ronson snuck into Bohemian Grove. That's when they first got that video. I f- ... I wanna say it was in the '90s. I wanna say it was, like, '99 or something like that.

Kid Rock 45:18 I did have some fun there, I gotta say. It was fucking weird. I met, like, uh, Paul Pelosi and his son.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Oh, boy.

Kid Rock 45:25 And, like, Chris Matthews, like, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:28 Oh, okay.

Kid Rock 45:28 But I was hanging out with them. We were having cool conversations.

Joe Rogan 45:30 All right, that's cool.

Kid Rock 45:31 Kinda weird. And then they asked me, like ... I had to come play my guitar-

Joe Rogan 45:34 Oh, no. (laughs)

Kid Rock 45:35 ... and, like, sing at one of these camp things, and, and I was like, "I feel so used."

Joe Rogan 45:40 (laughs)

Kid Rock 45:40 "I feel so dirty." Like, "I don't do this shit, man. What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 45:47 Yeah, that's gotta be weird. Hey, man, play us a song.

Kid Rock 45:50 Well, it was kinda like a unspoken requirement, like a wink-wink. Like, you-

Joe Rogan 45:54 Oh.

Kid Rock 45:54 ... you need to take your guitar over there, you know, if you wanna be in good graces or be a team player type deal, and I'm like, "Yeah, I really don't." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:03 A friend of mine went to a party, and, uh, in the middle of the party, Michael Bolton just starts singing, and everybody gathers around while Michael Bolton is standing there singing.

Kid Rock 46:13 Was it set up?

Joe Rogan 46:14 Yeah, it was set up.

Kid Rock 46:15 Oh, that's funny.

Joe Rogan 46:16 But no one knew. Then all a sudden, like ... Or I think no one knew.

Kid Rock 46:19 How do you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:21 He didn't know. But it was just like, "What's going on?"

Kid Rock 46:22 Then how do you know?

Joe Rogan 46:23 All the sudden Michael Bolton's singing, and everyone just, be s- quiet.

Kid Rock 46:26 It's not a bad strategy if you want ... don't wanna look like a putz to, like ... Otherwise, you're just like, "Hey, these motherfuckers paid me a shit ton of money, and I'm gonna sing some songs."

Joe Rogan 46:34 Right, that's what it is. It's like the ultimate flex. You know?

Kid Rock 46:38 Yeah. I, uh ... That's how I used to fund my foundation, doing corporate gigs.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Dude, Dana White had a birthday party, and-

Kid Rock 46:44 I've played at a few times.

Joe Rogan 46:45 I know you have.

Kid Rock 46:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:46 I know you have. And Dana White's birthday parties are wild. And he had a birthday party for, I think it was for his 40th, and Stone Temple Pilots played.

Kid Rock 46:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Dude, they put on a show like it was a fucking packed arena.

Kid Rock 46:58 That's what I did.

Joe Rogan 46:59 I mean, I know you did.

Kid Rock 47:00 Ask Dana.

Joe Rogan 47:00 I know he-

Kid Rock 47:00 That's what exactly what he said to me. He goes-

Joe Rogan 47:02 Yeah.

Kid Rock 47:02 ... "There's 150 people here." He goes, "Where'd you think you were?" I was like, "Fucking AT&T Stadium." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:07 That's exactly what he told me.

Kid Rock 47:08 You kinda gotta put yourself in that mindset.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Fuck yeah. Yeah.

Kid Rock 47:11 'Cause those things can be fucking grueling.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Right. They can be weird if people aren't paying attention. In the Stone Temple Pilots thing, there wasn't a lot of people there. There was only a few hundred people there. It was crazy to see.

Kid Rock 47:22 That's usually what they are, couple hundred people.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Dude was killing it. Killing it. He had the bullhorn out and everything.

Kid Rock 47:28 Oh, Scott was the best, man.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Oh my God. What an animal that guy was. Like, it was so inspiring, like, how good he was at performing.

Kid Rock 47:36 Yeah, he was fucking ... Loved Scott. God bless him.

Joe Rogan 47:39 They, they killed that show. It was really good, man. It was really good, and you felt, like, super lucky to be there.

Kid Rock 47:46 That's great.

Joe Rogan 47:47 You know? There's something about seeing something where there's not a lot of people around to see it. You know? That's why I like watching those UFC fights in the Apex Center. There's something about-

Kid Rock 47:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Even though I know the world's seeing it on video, like, to be there live while that's happening, like-

Kid Rock 48:01 Can we talk-

Joe Rogan 48:02 ... d- that was one of the positive things about COVID.

Kid Rock 48:04 Can we talk about that punch-

Joe Rogan 48:05 Oh my God.

Kid Rock 48:05 ... at the last fucking one we were at, sitting there? That fucking ... I think it was the second-

Joe Rogan 48:10 Josh Emmett. Yeah.

Kid Rock 48:12 Sh- ... That crack?

Joe Rogan 48:13 Oh my God, dude. That guy punches so hard.

Kid Rock 48:14 I, I've only been to a handful of the fights. I know you've fucking ... Obviously, that's your ...

Joe Rogan 48:19 Josh Emmett might be the hardest puncher in that division ever.

Kid Rock 48:21 I'd never heard anything like that.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Yeah, he hits so hard.

Kid Rock 48:24 I thought the guy was dead.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Yeah. Well, that was a crazy combination of Bryce Mitchell moving forward quick and then him catching him right at the end of one of the most powerful punchers ever in, in the 145-pound division.

Kid Rock 48:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Show that again? Watch this. It's ... Look, look how that dude's built. Like, I mean-

Kid Rock 48:41 But you can't appreciate it without the smack. Smack!

Joe Rogan 48:44 Look at the fucking physique on this animal.

Narrator 48:46 Oh. Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:46 I mean, Josh Emmett is just a ball of muscle.

Narrator 48:50 Oh. Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Bro, that guy hits-

Kid Rock 48:53 It sounded like somebody smacked a two by four, like, against a garbage can.

Joe Rogan 48:57 Bro, if that guy hits anybody, they go night-night. I mean, anybody.

Kid Rock 49:02 Damn.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Anybody. He had this fight with Michael Johnson, and it was a re- Michael Johnson's a really good fighter. Like, he, he knocked out Dustin Poirier at one point.

Kid Rock 49:11 Damn.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Michael Johnson's very, very legit. And, uh, Michael Johnson's winning the fight, and Josh Emmett catches him with one punch and s- just shuts him off. Watch this. So, Michael Johnson's winning this fight. Boom.

Kid Rock 49:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:27 One shot, dude. One shot.

Kid Rock 49:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:30 I mean, crazy power, man.

Kid Rock 49:32 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:32 I mean, his power is preposterous. He's got the total tou- what Firas Zahabi calls the touch of death. That's the touch of death.

Kid Rock 49:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:41 He's got it, he's got it better than anybody in the sport, the touch of death. But that Ilia Topuria guy that just, uh, knocked down Volkanovski, he's got the touch of death too. There's guys that just-

Kid Rock 49:52 Guys are getting bigger. It's not that... They're just getting stronger, but their technique's getting better.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 49:56 It's like any sport. It just keeps... (whistles)

Joe Rogan 49:59 There's a lot of factors. There's a lot of factors to ki- to having that kind of power, and some of it is just pure genetics. Some of it is just, you just got lucky. You got that frame. Whatever it is. Like Josh, he's built, like if you look at his body, it's just like a fucking tank, just this ball of muscle.

Kid Rock 50:13 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 50:14 And he gets so much force into it, and that's just a gigantic advantage. If you use it correctly, like Topuria does... Did you see that fight with Topuria and Volsk- Volkanovski?

Kid Rock 50:24 You know, I still don't know all the names. I know a handful of names.

Joe Rogan 50:26 It was the featherweight title this past weekend.

Kid Rock 50:29 No. I did not see it.

Joe Rogan 50:30 It was, uh, Alexander Volkanovski, he was trying to, uh, defend his title against Ilia Topuria. And Volkanovski had been dominant in this division forever. He's... And Topuria put him to sleep, man. This is not the fight, by the way. This is just like, the... Yeah, the lead-up to the fight. Bounce. Yeah, Topuria, he put him to sleep. It was wild to see, man. This kid is a fucking monster, and he's only 27 years old, and he said he was gonna do it. He said, "I'm gonna knock him out in the second round."

Kid Rock 50:58 Well, do any of those guys go and go like, "You know, my, uh, my chances are about 50/50 on this one?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:05 No. Some p- some guys have respect, you know, for their opponents-

Kid Rock 51:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:08 ... and they, they, they say things like-

Kid Rock 51:10 That's kind of-

Joe Rogan 51:10 ... "Oh, he's a great champion." And-

Kid Rock 51:12 That's no fun, though.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Yeah.

Kid Rock 51:13 That's no fun. This is a talk-shit sport.

Joe Rogan 51:16 It is.

Kid Rock 51:17 And it hypes up the match, gets everybody going.

Joe Rogan 51:19 Yeah.

Kid Rock 51:19 Fucking...

Joe Rogan 51:20 And it's also part of the psychological warfare, 'cause that shit works.

Kid Rock 51:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Especially, on some people. Some people, like Nate Diaz, it doesn't work on at all. (laughs)

Kid Rock 51:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:28 You can talk shit to him all day long.

Kid Rock 51:30 I, I like Nate.

Joe Rogan 51:30 That, that's not gonna change anything about the kinda ass-whooping you're gonna get. But, s- for some guys, it fucks with their head hardcore. They just have a really hard time with someone talking shit about them, and they get real emotional.

Kid Rock 51:41 It's a lot of sports. It's a lot of... Fucking even in my business, music.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kid Rock 51:44 You see people when that red, red light comes on?

Joe Rogan 51:47 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 51:47 When you're doing something like live or taped to television or whatever?

Joe Rogan 51:50 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 51:50 You see people, that red light comes on. Even f- band members. Outta like 10 of 'em. It's usually one. Somebody just fucking can't keep it together and fucks up.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 52:00 Uh, it's just one of those things. It's just something about having that fucking cool, calm, collective fucking mindset when you're going into anything that's stressful or, you know, high-energy, whatever it might be.

Joe Rogan 52:12 How much... (clears throat) How difficult was it for you when you first started getting famous? Because you go from being a regular dude to being Kid Rock in not a lot of time.

Kid Rock 52:24 What was it like, getting pussy?

Joe Rogan 52:26 No! (laughs)

Kid Rock 52:27 (laughs) What was it like being the man? And just-

Joe Rogan 52:29 That's pretty much what it was. (laughs)

Kid Rock 52:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:31 But was it stressful? Was it, like, uh, hard to deal with?

Kid Rock 52:34 Fuck, no.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Wasn't at all?

Kid Rock 52:36 It was fucking awesome. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:38 (laughs) I love it.

Kid Rock 52:39 It's the greatest fucking shit on earth.

Joe Rogan 52:41 Ugh!

Kid Rock 52:41 I'm like, I have to worry about fucking buying food. Like, I'm gonna be able to put my kid through college at this point. We're getting a new fucking house and getting a new car. Fucking getting a nice seat at the restaurant.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Yeah.

Kid Rock 52:53 Fucking... No problem with that. I, I, I'm not one of those people that bitch about it. Like, it's-

Joe Rogan 52:57 What do you think it is about-

Kid Rock 52:58 ... it's so tough. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:59 What do you think about people that can't handle it? Like why, what do you think it is?

Kid Rock 53:02 Fucking get away from it. Britney Spears, move back to wherever the fuck you're from. Where's she from, Arkansas or Louisiana or something?

Joe Rogan 53:09 I don't know where she's from.

Kid Rock 53:09 Somewhere down there? Get the fuck outta LA. That place is eating you fucking alive.

Joe Rogan 53:14 I think Britney's in Vegas now, right?

Kid Rock 53:16 Oh, so much better. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:18 (laughs) Yeah, it's better for her health. It's a more stable environment.

Kid Rock 53:19 You know, I'm not gonna do heroin anymore. I've, I've stepped it down to crack. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:24 (laughs) And gambling.

Kid Rock 53:26 And get awf- g- there's ways to get away from it.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Yeah.

Kid Rock 53:29 There's ways. Trust me. You know this too.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Yeah.

Kid Rock 53:32 So many of these people... 'Cause I've been here and seen this first fucking hand-

Joe Rogan 53:36 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 53:36 ... the front-row seat. Half these people are telling these people. They're feeding the machine through a source to get their story told. They're telling them where they're gonna be at so the paparazzi's there.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah.

Kid Rock 53:48 It's a fucking game.

Joe Rogan 53:50 It's a publicity game. It's weird. And it works. You can make a lot of money that way.

Kid Rock 53:55 Who the fuck wants-

Joe Rogan 53:55 I don't hate the games.

Kid Rock 53:56 Like, I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 53:57 That's what the Kardashians did.

Kid Rock 53:58 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 53:58 Worked out. Worked out well.

Kid Rock 54:00 God bless 'em.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Solid business model. For them, really worked. Like, if you just wanna make money, that's the way to do it.

Kid Rock 54:06 I will never get the big ass thing. I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 54:08 (laughs)

Kid Rock 54:09 That's just (whistles) right over my head. Like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:12 You don't like big asses at all?

Kid Rock 54:14 No.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Really? You like 'em little?

Kid Rock 54:16 Uh, just fucking small, white pancake ass with huge tits.

Joe Rogan 54:20 (laughs)

Kid Rock 54:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:20 (laughs)

Kid Rock 54:23 Every man has his type.

Joe Rogan 54:24 No, I don't... Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

Kid Rock 54:25 No.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Every man has his type. (laughs)

Kid Rock 54:27 But, but there's, like, this fucking ass movement in the last 10, somebody years. It's awesome-

Joe Rogan 54:31 Interesting.

Kid Rock 54:31 It's awesome to watch, watching rap videos and shit. It's fucking great. I'm like, "Really? That's... All right." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:38 You just don't know the, what the appeal is?

Kid Rock 54:41 None.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Wow.

Kid Rock 54:42 None.

Joe Rogan 54:43 I don't think I could be further from you in that department. I love a good ass.

Kid Rock 54:48 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 54:49 A big, well, girl that looks like she could squat.

Kid Rock 54:50 Sly Stone, different strokes for different folks.

Joe Rogan 54:53 Girls who look like they can pick up heavy kettlebells.

Kid Rock 54:55 Oh, God. No.

Joe Rogan 54:57 (laughs)

Kid Rock 54:57 I don't have a hea- I don't have a heavy kettlebell. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:02 (laughs)

Kid Rock 55:02 I'm working with a old two-pound hand weight down here. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:06 (laughs) ... different strokes for different folks. And isn't that the message, anyway-

Kid Rock 55:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:11 ... for the world?

Kid Rock 55:11 Totally.

Joe Rogan 55:12 It's really what it should be.

Kid Rock 55:13 Well, I don't have say everything against it. I'm just saying I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah. I get that you don't get it.

Kid Rock 55:18 And that's okay.

Joe Rogan 55:19 You got like a 1970s sensibility, you know-

Kid Rock 55:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:22 ... like the Catherine Bach days.

Kid Rock 55:24 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Dukes of Hazzard.

Kid Rock 55:25 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Remember how hot she was?

Kid Rock 55:28 See, if, if a girl with a huge ass dro- drove up in a General Lee, I'd definitely be excited. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:33 (laughs) That lady was so pretty. Oh my God. I remember watching that show th- thinking that's not even possible to be that pretty. How the fuck is she that pretty?

Kid Rock 55:42 All those shows, Loveboat, Fantasy Island, Dukes of Hazzard.

Joe Rogan 55:46 How about Charlie's Angels?

Kid Rock 55:47 Charlie's Angels.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Three hot chicks out there solving crimes. (laughs)

Kid Rock 55:49 Fuck yeah. With guns.

Joe Rogan 55:51 (laughs)

Kid Rock 55:52 Sold. Fantasy Island, like they got a-

Joe Rogan 55:54 Oh, yeah.

Kid Rock 55:55 ... fucking midget. You're like, "Yes."

Joe Rogan 55:56 Welcome to Fantasy Island."

Kid Rock 55:57 He's in a suit. They got a little guy in a suit, like, fucking, he's got an accent? Oh fuck, turn it up.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Was there always a lesson-

Kid Rock 56:05 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 56:05 ... in Fantasy Island? Like, they didn't really need what they were asking for and they should've just, like, stayed where they were? Wasn't there, like, those-

Kid Rock 56:12 I don't recall.

Joe Rogan 56:12 ... kind of messages? I don't remember. Did Fantasy, did it ever-

Kid Rock 56:15 Well, wasn't it be kind of like careful what you wish for type thing?

Joe Rogan 56:18 Yeah.

Kid Rock 56:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:18 Those were always that way, you know? It's always, there's always like a trick. The genie's got a trick. Careful what you wish for.

Kid Rock 56:26 Yeah. Yep.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Yeah. It's never like, "Oh yeah, and then I'm gonna be the king of the world, and everything worked out great." (laughs)

Kid Rock 56:33 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:34 You have one wish. "I'm gonna wish for a million wishes." That would kill you, right?

Kid Rock 56:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:38 If they, if you do that, they get real mad. Like, "Now you've used the wish."

Kid Rock 56:42 Totally.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Imagine if that was real. Imagine if genies were real, and we're just all looking for them like Pokemon.

Kid Rock 56:48 I was always jealous of Ricky Schroder on Silver Spoons. I'm like, "Fuck, look at all he's g- kid's got a fucking train in his living room, man."

Joe Rogan 56:54 (laughs)

Kid Rock 56:54 How cool is that? Pinball machines everywhere. Shit, I'm like, "Fuck, that looks awesome." And it's not like I grew up without, I was from a very middle upper class family. We had everything we needed. We had a swimming pool and tennis court and shit, all that. But I was like, "Fuck Silver Spoons." You're like, "We don't have money like that. That's some other shit."

Joe Rogan 57:13 That's what social media's (clears throat) doing times 10, right?

Kid Rock 57:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:16 Imagine being a kid today and just dealing with all this social media shit.

Kid Rock 57:22 Trying to keep up with the Joneses.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Impossible.

Kid Rock 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:25 And just trying to-

Kid Rock 57:25 And what's, I think it's even worse, like I, I have ... Well, my granddaughter is nine, but I have nieces who are teenagers and going through all that stuff. And it's, man, the influence it has over 'em and then what the other kids say and then what they're all saying on social media-

Joe Rogan 57:38 Mm-hmm.

Kid Rock 57:38 ... and what the new trend is and what the new this. I think it's always been that way, but now it's just exaggerated times 1,000, because everything's right there.

Joe Rogan 57:46 It's a difficult thing for adults to handle. And the, the, the emotional aspect of going back and forth with people and comments and stuff, and the whole world is commenting on things. Like, when they're doing that to each other, the kind of pressure that they're putting under 'em, no kids have ever experienced that before. No kids have ever grown up with that before. This is a totally new pressure. And if you look at the data, like suicide went up, self-harm-

Kid Rock 58:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:10 ... went up. Depression went up. It's not healthy. It's not normal. And we're all-

Kid Rock 58:16 Uh, I think it's the devil. I said that the year Twitter came out. You might be able to look this up. I care- I think it was in Rolling Stone or somewhere, whatever, like, "What do you think about Twitter?" And I said, "Twitter's fucking gay."

Joe Rogan 58:29 (laughs)

Kid Rock 58:29 This is probably when it came out. (clears throat) And, and so as time went on, 'cause all I saw is people like having a subway sandwich for lunch or whatever. I'm like, "No one gives a fuck. Like-"

Joe Rogan 58:38 Oh right, the early days.

Kid Rock 58:39 Yeah. Like, you know-

Joe Rogan 58:40 Yeah.

Kid Rock 58:40 ... I'd get promoting stuff and this, that, and the other, fucking getting a rise out of somebody, stirring the pot. (clears throat) But then the funny part was, years later, you know, Twitter blew up to be this huge fucking thing. And they're like, this fucking reporter's getting kind of snooty with me, and he's like, "You said," and I quote, "Twitter's gay." I'm like, "No fucking way." I go, "I didn't say that shit." (clears throat) I go, "And I'm so sick of you fuckers in the media misquoting me every time, every opportunity you get." I said, "To be clear, I said Twitter is fucking gay, all right?"

Joe Rogan 59:10 (laughs)

Kid Rock 59:10 "Get it right." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:15 The I gotcha questions like that. You said ...

Kid Rock 59:20 Dude, that's why I stopped doing interviews like 10, so many years ago.

Joe Rogan 59:23 Yeah.

Kid Rock 59:24 Be- because, you know, you used to have to promote something, call every radio station in every market. It's like that would be part of your day. Get up early, which I was not good at back them. These days I'm up at 3:30, but was not good at it back in these days. It's like get up early, call all these different places, all these things like weekly. And it turned into, as the internet and social media started becoming prevalent, it turned into I gotcha. Because that was the headline. And as my publicist used to say, "Dude, you speak in fucking headlines 'cause you have no fucking filter." And I'm like, "I don't. It's gonna be very tough to change that." So it was always this, you know, (clears throat) be your buddy, say some nice things, "Your new record's great," blah, blah, blah. Then like fucking get you on the line with something, of course I go off the fucking rails.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Right.

Kid Rock 1:00:06 And then you fucking, that's all you hear about. And it just, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Well, that's what they wanna do. You know?

Kid Rock 1:00:11 They still do.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 They only have a couple of minutes with you. They wanna say something outrageous or question you in a way that's gonna go viral. And-

Kid Rock 1:00:19 Yeah, I just got tired of dealing with it, it's like fuck it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Yeah, but-

Kid Rock 1:00:21 And I feel bad for so many reporters that were so good to me, especially in Detroit. You know, that, that I just kind of ... I, I think a lot of them took it personal. I wa-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:00:30 I was, uh, I've been meaning to contact them for all these years and say like, "Hey, there's, you know, I'm gonna do stuff with you again. I'm starting to come out of it. I'm doing your show." I'm like, "I get it. I got some stuff to promote." I'm like, but I, I just didn't ... Like if I never saw another fucking TV camera (laughs) or an interview again-

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:00:45 ... I'd be fine. I'd be-

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:00:47 ... totally fucking fine. Like, I, I don't need to be on fucking Good Morning America every week. I don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 But you, you don't have to. You have a b- a beautiful setup.

Kid Rock 1:00:55 Well, I'm very blessed not to have to.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 The way you're living your life is amazing.

Kid Rock 1:00:58 I don't wanna overshadow that. I'm extremely blessed the way I live.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 Oh, I know you appreciate it. But like, the way you're living, like I've talked on this podcast many times about you giving me the tour of your house. (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:01:09 (laughs) ... it wasn't even do- oh, by the way, you got that wrong.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 (laughs) .

Kid Rock 1:01:12 You're like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 What did I get wrong?

Kid Rock 1:01:13 You k- you said, someone... S- my girl listens to you religiously, my fiance, and she's, and she'll always play me the, the hot clips, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Right.

Kid Rock 1:01:21 Shit, and sh- and one, that one was o- of me, and you're like, "He's got a golden shower." I'm like, "A golden shower? That's like pissing on somebody." (laughs) It's a gold bathroom. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 It's a g- the whole bathroom's gold?

Kid Rock 1:01:32 Yeah, but there's no shower in it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 The shower's not gold?

Kid Rock 1:01:34 (laughs) No, it was-

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Well, it wasn't in place yet.

Kid Rock 1:01:36 No, it's happened.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 It was just a, I just seen the tile and it was golden, and someone told me it was a golden shower-

Kid Rock 1:01:41 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 ... I was like, "That's the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life."

Kid Rock 1:01:43 (laughs) The golden urinal.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 But the walls were gold.

Kid Rock 1:01:46 Yeah, yeah, it's all-

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Everything was gold.

Kid Rock 1:01:47 It was g- dude.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 It was before, when I went into it, it was before everything was installed.

Kid Rock 1:01:51 What was that, three or four years ago? Some?

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 You had, yeah, I think it was three years ago.

Kid Rock 1:01:53 You have no idea how hard it was to find gold toilets.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 (laughs) .

Kid Rock 1:01:57 Not joking. Now you can go on Google-

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Can't you just get a gold guy?

Kid Rock 1:01:59 ... and you, and you pump 'em up. Well, I had to get the seat gold plated 'cause I couldn't find it. I found a gold toilet, couldn't find a seat and a lid.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Hm.

Kid Rock 1:02:08 I fucking got it, I had to like, you know, cheaply gold plate it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Well, gold is a weird... You ever see what they can do with gold? They can take a little tiny piece of gold and cover this whole table.

Kid Rock 1:02:17 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Very strange.

Kid Rock 1:02:17 I get, I get so much shit gold plated, 18 karat-

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Very strange.

Kid Rock 1:02:20 ... 24 karat gold plated.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Look at that, bro. You got a gold urinal.

Kid Rock 1:02:22 Where the fuck did you get that?

Narrator 1:02:25 The internet.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 The internet knows everything.

Kid Rock 1:02:26 Fucking hey, that's on the internet?

Narrator 1:02:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 Bro, look at that. That's amazing. A gold urinal. (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:02:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Why not? Your house is incredible. I describe it to everybody, I'm like, "There's two bedrooms." (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:02:38 (laughs) The fucking house is gigantic.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 It's bigger than the actual White House-

Kid Rock 1:02:42 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 ... it's got two bedrooms. I think your house is bigger than the actual White House.

Kid Rock 1:02:46 No. Fuck no.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 I think so.

Kid Rock 1:02:47 No way.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 I think, yeah, somebody was telling me that.

Kid Rock 1:02:49 No fucking way. The-

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:02:50 The White House is like 100,000 square feet or-

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Are you sure?

Kid Rock 1:02:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 That thing looks little.

Kid Rock 1:02:54 I've looked it up.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Isn't... But the White House has more than one house, right? Like there's two-

Kid Rock 1:02:58 Well, there's like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 There's more than one house at-

Kid Rock 1:02:59 ... there's levels, there's underground, basement-

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 Oh, is there?

Kid Rock 1:03:01 ... main floor. Then you go up and up to the, to the main residence, then they have tunnels that go out to, you know, to the other side, to the VP's place where the bo- where the bowling alley is and shit, and...

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Bro, is that the dumbest idea of all time? To tell everybody where your president's gonna be all the time?

Kid Rock 1:03:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 (laughs) What a fucking dumb idea. Oh, he's in this super visible house.

Kid Rock 1:03:22 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 It's just a house.

Kid Rock 1:03:23 I think they're pretty protective over there.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 He's s- How protective can you be? If you watch those Instagram drone videos-

Kid Rock 1:03:29 The airspace is shut down.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Okay, 55,000 square feet. All right, I'm wrong. I thought your house was bigger.

Kid Rock 1:03:35 Nah, mine's 27 or something.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 But what your house is, is, uh-

Kid Rock 1:03:40 But it's on 200 acres, not 18.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Well, your house is, is exactly if an 18-year-old kid won the lottery. (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:03:46 Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 And said you can have any house you want. "I want a fucking giant room-"

Kid Rock 1:03:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 "... for jacuzzis, with like exposed beams, like a collapsed mine." I'm like, "This is amazing." (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:03:59 I joke with my friends when we're, when we're touring. I lo- I love to give people tours, I'm proud of it, you know, what I've done and hard work and shit, and I, I, it's one of my favorite things to do. (clears throat) And I joke with them all the time. It's, and it's pretty serious, I'm like, "If I had this fucking house 15 years ago," something like that, like, "I'd be dead. I'd be fucking dead."

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:04:17 Just no question.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 It's an amazing setup, dude. You've-

Kid Rock 1:04:21 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 You've made a party house. It's perfect.

Kid Rock 1:04:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Beautiful view. Great place to be. It's fucking awesome, man.

Kid Rock 1:04:26 I, I believe if they were to advertise, it would be a great place to entertain.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:04:31 An entertainer's dream.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 An entertainer's dream.

Kid Rock 1:04:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Yeah. If you were trying to sell that, oh boy. (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:04:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 What is it, about 27,000 square feet? How big is it?

Kid Rock 1:04:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Okay.

Kid Rock 1:04:41 But I put in, but the only reason I put el-

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 Two bedrooms. (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:04:43 I put the elevator in 'cause I'm gonna die there. I was like, "I'm gonna need to get up and down these floors one day." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 That elevator's amazing too.

Kid Rock 1:04:51 That's another f-

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Golden elevator.

Kid Rock 1:04:52 ... funny one, the architect, you know, I, I, that's probably my second favorite thing outside, passion outside of, you know, it'd be a close second with hunting and, and the outdoors, you know, is music, is interior design and, and, uh, architecture. (clears throat) And so I'm designing a house with, I had to use an architect obviously for u- many reasons, but he's like, "Are you sure you wanna put the elevator right in the foyer of the, of the main entrance?" He goes, you know, "Most people hide it, you know, off to the back by a laundry room or something." I'm like, "Yeah, I want it right in the fucking middle, I want it gold so people walk in, they're like, 'Kid Rock's got a fucking elevator.'" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:05:28 I'm like (laughs) yeah, put it right out front, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:05:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Yeah. This is a house for ballers.

Kid Rock 1:05:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 (laughs)

Kid Rock 1:05:36 This is a house of learning doctors and ballers. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 That's an amazing story. That's how I would do it.

Kid Rock 1:05:43 With fun. You built something, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 No, I bought a house. I bought a house out here. But if I was gonna build a house, I'd build a house like that. I think I wanna, you know, what I wanna do is I wanna build a podcast ranch. I've been thinking a lot about that lately.

Kid Rock 1:05:55 You kinda, this is a good, you got a lot of-

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Yeah.

Kid Rock 1:05:57 ... cool shit here, like, but you can take all this, like I've already figured out your lighting here for you. I was telling the guys out front.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Oh, really?

Kid Rock 1:06:04 Yeah. So there's several spaces here and there's a lot of light switches. I noticed already just from doing a small tour. Fuck Lutron, fuck Crestron, fuck that automated shit.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Okay.

Kid Rock 1:06:14 (clears throat) What you do (clears throat) you can, you might be able to do the whole building. If not, you can do it in sections that make sense. Like this whole front thing, everything's on dimmers and there's one switch when, strategically placed when you walk out of the door and maybe somewhere by your office or something.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Oh.

Kid Rock 1:06:27 All hooked up to the same breaker. Click. Like when I walk into my studio where you've been down there or whatever, the, you know, thing's like 10,000 square feet, there's two light switches shut everything off in there. Three, 'cause there's one in the studio. It never breaks, works perfectly. When you turn it on, you're ready to rock. If the cleaning people need to do something, they can adjust the dimmer up or down. And it's the cheapest, smartest, most efficient fucking thing you can do.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 Hm. Good advice from Kid Rock on lighting.

Kid Rock 1:06:52 I love that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Yeah. That's, that's good advice. Yeah, this place is a little chaotic. But this w- used to be... Well, I can't say that. I can't talk too much about it, what it used to be. But we, um, I'm, I've been thinking about doing something in a place where we could do a lot of other shit too.

Kid Rock 1:07:10 Just putting a fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Have a pla- with a l- place with a lake.

Kid Rock 1:07:13 Runway.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 You could get, definitely get somewhere with a runway out here, if you really travel far enough.

Kid Rock 1:07:17 Well, you, you're doing so well and you're so successful, have, hav- get a chopper so you could bring the people. Like, what a cool experience, they fly to your ranch. Because you're gonna, you're gonna get more value the farther you go out.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Yeah, but I limit my time in those fucking things.

Kid Rock 1:07:30 Oh, I do too.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Those things-

Kid Rock 1:07:31 Dude, rock and roll and choppers don't mix.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 They freak me out a little bit.

Kid Rock 1:07:34 Me too.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Yeah, they took out Stevie Ray Vaughan, didn't it?

Kid Rock 1:07:37 Jimm Croce.

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 Was it a plane crash that took out Stevie Ray