Joe Rogan Experience #2108 - Tom Green

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

   2. TGTom Green0:12

      Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Nice to see you, bro.

   4. TGTom Green0:13

      Yes, you too. You too. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (sighs) And we're up. What the fuck is happening, Tony?

   6. TGTom Green0:20

      Yeah. Yeah. Great to be here, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      My man.

   8. TGTom Green0:22

      Made it back, made it back. Uh, last time I saw you, uh, I don't know. My eyes might have been a little crossed. Uh, th- that-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Well, the last time I saw you was last night.

   10. TGTom Green0:31

       (laughs) Right. That's... And the last time-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       And the night before last, kind of.

   12. TGTom Green0:33

       Yeah. (laughs) That's true. That's true. We can start with that, then.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       But the last time we saw each other on a podcast-

   14. TGTom Green0:38

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       ... we got... Things went a little westward. (laughs) .

   16. TGTom Green0:42

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       We got a little intoxicated.

   18. TGTom Green0:44

       (laughs) so, so, absolutely. So, you know, the whiskey kept pouring, the whiskey kept pouring. And that was when I was... I had that van. So, I was-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah.

   20. TGTom Green0:53

       I still have the van, but at the time I, I was, I was kind of living in the van, traveling in the van. So, I drove here-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       This is heavy COVID. This is like the-

   22. TGTom Green1:00

       Heavy COVID.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       ... beginning of COVID where it was, like-

   24. TGTom Green1:01

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... weird to be around each other.

   26. TGTom Green1:02

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Like, "Are we okay?"

   28. TGTom Green1:03

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       We got tested.

   30. TGTom Green1:05

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      doing?"

   2. TGTom Green15:01

      (laughs) Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      "That's real money."

   4. TGTom Green15:02

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      "This is so crazy."

   6. TGTom Green15:03

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      'Cause he does it every night.

   8. TGTom Green15:05

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      He does it constantly. There's people that love it. They love it. They love the action. It's thrilling.

   10. TGTom Green15:11

       For me, it's... Fortunately, I've never liked numbers. Like, math was never something I enjoyed. So when it comes to blackjack, you're going, you're... I'm doing math in my head, and I get very uncomfortable.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       (laughs)

   12. TGTom Green15:21

       So I just, I'm... I go, "I'm, I'm not gonna be good at this."

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       That's a great reason to not gamble.

   14. TGTom Green15:26

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       You hate math class.

   16. TGTom Green15:27

       Yeah. I just figure I'm not gonna be good at this 'cause I can't even really add up what I'm supposed to be doing here quickly, so I'm just gonna just sit on the side. Plus, I'm cheap. I don't want to-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       (laughs)

   18. TGTom Green15:34

       ... lose money. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       I'm not a math person either.

   20. TGTom Green15:37

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       It's a concentration thing. It's like (clears throat) , if you concentrated on math, really got good at the basics of it, and then really started getting into more complex mathematics, it'd probably be very fun, probably be very exciting. But the problem is I never p- concentrated in high school at all.

   22. TGTom Green15:56

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       I didn't pay attention to it.

   24. TGTom Green15:58

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       So I'm so removed.

   26. TGTom Green16:00

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Like, if people start talking about math, like complex shit-

   28. TGTom Green16:04

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       ... I'm like, "Ugh."

   30. TGTom Green16:05

       I checked out at long division.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. TGTom Green30:00

      "I'm, I'm riding this animal now." She's a very big mule, as you can see here, Joe.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TGTom Green30:04

      She's a very big mule. She's called Sixteen Three Hands, is the way you measure horses and mules, and she's, like, as tall as they get. Her mother was a, uh, a horse, so, uh, a Percheron paint mix. So it's... A Percheron's a workhorse, almost like a Clydesdale. So she gets her size from that. And her father's a Mammoth donkey. And she's 10 years old.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      A Mammoth donkey?

   5. TGTom Green30:27

      Yeah, a Mammoth, yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      What a great name.

   7. TGTom Green30:29

      Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's crea- it's definitely created a very large, strong...... serious animal-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      I wanna see a picture of a mammoth donkey.

   9. TGTom Green30:41

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       How big are they?

   11. TGTom Green30:42

       There we go, yep. Yeah. So you can sort of see-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Whoa, look at the size of that fucking thing. That's a donkey?

   13. TGTom Green30:47

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Holy shit, dude.

   15. TGTom Green30:49

       And, and you can ride those too, so...

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       (laughs)

   17. TGTom Green30:52

       And that's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       But are, are donkeys harder, between 900 and 1200 pounds-

   19. TGTom Green30:57

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Are donkeys-

   21. TGTom Green30:58

       Fanny's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       ... harder to train than mules?

   23. TGTom Green31:01

       I'm not sure of the answer to that. I'm not sure. But I know that mules are easier to train than horses, so I would assume... 'Cause they, they learn, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       And mules are sterile.

   25. TGTom Green31:09

       They're sterile, yeah. So a, uh-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       It's a hybrid animal-

   27. TGTom Green31:13

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       ... and it can't breed. Which is, isn't that fascinating?

   29. TGTom Green31:16

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       That, um, like a male of one species can breed with a male of another species, they make an offspring-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Hmm. …

   1. TGTom Green45:00

      the overall psychological sort of hierarchy that gets created and a trust level that's created between the mule and myself. The more I screwed up, she's just, even in the barnyard, the more I let her get in my space. You don't ever wanna let a mule get in your space. Like, gets in your space, you, uh, uh, a very, sort of a, you know, easy way to, uh, control that is you can just put your hands up to her eyes like that. Like, you know, you don't even have to touch her, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Hmm.

   3. TGTom Green45:31

      And then they back off. I didn't know that, right? So I was kind of like, I'm pushing it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:35

      Oh boy.

   5. TGTom Green45:36

      You know, I was like, you know, like trying to stop.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:38

      And then it realizes how small you are in comparison.

   7. TGTom Green45:39

      It realizes how small I am-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:41

      Yeah.

   9. TGTom Green45:41

      ... and it realizes I don't know what I'm doing, and it loses all respect.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Ah.

   11. TGTom Green45:44

       And, uh, uh, and so you start to kind of, so once you start to learn a little bit deeper about how to handle those just on the ground with her, then, then once you get up on her, she has a little bit more respect and is more apt to listen to you. But it was really interesting, 'cause they, they, um, they came back, uh, they're, they're really great. They're, they're trying to bring more mules into Canada, 'cause they love mules. And, uh, and, uh, they, uh, you know, there is something very different and special about mules 'cause of their intelligence. And so it's really interesting. They, they came back and spent some more time with me and, and we would go out. We went out on the, the trail, and there's, Fanny doesn't like ATVs, okay? So I've got this Polaris side-by-side that I drive around the property on. It's a noisy, you know, ATV, four-wheel vehicle thing. And they were driving ahead of me and to kind of instruct me and I'm following along. And we're coming up the trail and they stopped, and as we approach the ATV, it's parked on the trail. There's a space on the side, I'm gonna ride around the trail, but in my head I'm thinking, "Oh, Fanny's not gonna want to go around this ATV." And we get up there and I try to turn her around the ATV by looking, pulling the rein, pushing with my leg, she just stops. And when she stops and when she decides she doesn't wanna go, this isn't like a little trail riding, you know, carnival horse. She gets going and will turn and really kind of get quite, you know-

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:15

       Aggressive.

   13. TGTom Green47:15

       ... aggressive in a way. And, uh, which is kind of exciting though, I gotta tell you. And I was a skateboarder. I, I'm pretty, I got pretty good balance, so I was kind of, it was kind of interesting. But the thing that was, was, um, wild about it, so then I go, "Well, she's, she's not gonna wanna go around the ATV," I say to, to Kaya and Lisa. And they, and they say, "No, no, well, it's not that she doesn't wanna go around the ATV, it's she knows that you think she doesn't wanna go around the ATV."

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:41

       What?

   15. TGTom Green47:41

       You have to think in your head that she wants to go around the ATV.

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:45

       What?

   17. TGTom Green47:45

       Yeah. 'Cause when you-

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:47

       Really?

   19. TGTom Green47:47

       Yeah. 'Cause when, when you're subconsciously, whether we know it or not as human beings, you know, we didn't always have language, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:56

       Right.

   21. TGTom Green47:57

       We did, someone invented language at some point. Before that, we were just kind of, it was all this non-verbal communication and energy, right? So you get up to the ATV, and if I'm thinking, "Oh, she's not gonna want around the ATV." Oh, look, look, I just, my whole body just went like that. You know, I sighed, I felt like a sense of defeat, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:13

       Hmm.

   23. TGTom Green48:14

       She feels that just through her saddle. It's not, it's not total, like, voodoo. She feels like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:21

       Yeah, but it might be a little bit of voodoo.

   25. TGTom Green48:22

       Possibly as well. I mean-

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:24

       It seems like you can't-

   27. TGTom Green48:24

       ... there's some magic to it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:25

       ... attribute all that to body.

   29. TGTom Green48:26

       She feels it, she feels it-

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       Movement.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:05

   I, I did this,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      fucking throwing hay around all day, exhausted, right? You've burned off-

   2. TGTom Green1:00:04

      I, I did this, this summer, in August, uh, we, I have some, some fields with hay. We cut the fields and, uh, (laughs) and, uh, I have, uh, some local farmers that help me cut the fields to square bales.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      So you're really farming?

   4. TGTom Green1:00:20

      Yeah, I had far-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      Farming for real, for real.

   6. TGTom Green1:00:22

      Farming hay for my, for my animals. Yeah. I had 580 bales of hay off the property this year.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Wow.

   8. TGTom Green1:00:30

      And we had to lift it all, carry it all onto, you know, onto a hay wagon. See, because I'm gonna try it a little, figure out a way to do it a little differently next year. But, uh, yeah, normally they would, the farmers that have done my property for years, they've been doing it with these big circle round bales, you know. But, uh, I wanted to get square bales this year because it's easier to handle for the horses every, or the mules and the donkey every day. So-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Mm-hmm.

   10. TGTom Green1:00:51

       See, every day I go to the barn, I pick up a bale, feed the... They eat about, about a bale and a half of hay a day. It's cool because, like from May, June till about...... the end of September, you don't even have to feed them. They're just out in the pasture eating grass.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Hmm.

   12. TGTom Green1:01:11

       Um, which I often think about, you know, when you think about vegetarians and you go, "How do you put on, you know, muscle with just veg?" And you look at this giant animal-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       Right.

   14. TGTom Green1:01:19

       ... all it's doing is eating grass all day-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Gorillas.

   16. TGTom Green1:01:21

       ... and they're massive. But, but, um, but yeah, so that, that, I gotta figure out a better way to get it in the barn this year, because some of my friends-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       They have to eat it all day long.

   18. TGTom Green1:01:31

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       That's the difference between eating meat and eating grass.

   20. TGTom Green1:01:34

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       If you watch predators, predators eat and then they sleep all day.

   22. TGTom Green1:01:37

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       But you watch a donkey-

   24. TGTom Green1:01:40

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       ... those motherfuckers are just eating all day long.

   26. TGTom Green1:01:43

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       They have to eat all day long.

   28. TGTom Green1:01:45

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       They're always eating.

   30. TGTom Green1:01:47

       Yeah, yeah.

Episode duration: 3:08:03