Joe Rogan Experience #2108 - Tom Green

1. 0:00 – 2:13

   Revisiting the “whiskey episode” and Tom’s van-life during early COVID

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

   2. TGTom Green0:12

      Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Nice to see you, bro.

   4. TGTom Green0:13

      Yes, you too. You too. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (sighs) And we're up. What the fuck is happening, Tony?

   6. TGTom Green0:20

      Yeah. Yeah. Great to be here, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      My man.

   8. TGTom Green0:22

      Made it back, made it back. Uh, last time I saw you, uh, I don't know. My eyes might have been a little crossed. Uh, th- that-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Well, the last time I saw you was last night.

   10. TGTom Green0:31

       (laughs) Right. That's... And the last time-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       And the night before last, kind of.

   12. TGTom Green0:33

       Yeah. (laughs) That's true. That's true. We can start with that, then.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       But the last time we saw each other on a podcast-

   14. TGTom Green0:38

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       ... we got... Things went a little westward. (laughs) .

   16. TGTom Green0:42

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       We got a little intoxicated.

   18. TGTom Green0:44

       (laughs) so, so, absolutely. So, you know, the whiskey kept pouring, the whiskey kept pouring. And that was when I was... I had that van. So, I was-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah.

   20. TGTom Green0:53

       I still have the van, but at the time I, I was, I was kind of living in the van, traveling in the van. So, I drove here-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       This is heavy COVID. This is like the-

   22. TGTom Green1:00

       Heavy COVID.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       ... beginning of COVID where it was, like-

   24. TGTom Green1:01

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... weird to be around each other.

   26. TGTom Green1:02

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Like, "Are we okay?"

   28. TGTom Green1:03

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       We got tested.

   30. TGTom Green1:05

       Yeah.
2. 2:13 – 3:21

   Sleeping in remote desert spots, weird nights alone, and a fighter jet flyover

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:13

      What is it like sleeping in parking lots? That's got to be an odd thing.

   2. TGTom Green2:18

      Well, I rarely did... I rarely did that in the van. It was mostly out in these remote desert parks. Like out in-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      Right.

   4. TGTom Green2:26

      ... Bureau of Land Management land, BLM land-

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      Yeah.

   6. TGTom Green2:28

      ... in the desert.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      Yeah.

   8. TGTom Green2:29

      And I was going around filming and, uh, and so I wasn't... But I... There was a couple of times I'd sleep in a truck stop 'cause I always wanted to make a lot of distance.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      Mm-hmm.

   10. TGTom Green2:38

       So, I'd drive until I kind of couldn't keep my eyes open, then I'd pull over at a truck stop and sleep between-

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Sketchy proposition, right? You don't know who's around.

   12. TGTom Green2:45

       Yeah. Well, in the desert it's, it's a little more nerve-wracking 'cause you're all alone out there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       Oh, yeah.

   14. TGTom Green2:50

       And, uh, and people can see the van in the distance, and, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       That's-

   16. TGTom Green2:53

       It's a pretty nice van.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       That's when the aliens come too.

   18. TGTom Green2:55

       So. Uh-huh. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       When you're all alone.

   20. TGTom Green2:57

       I was hoping for that, but, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Nothing?

   22. TGTom Green2:59

       N- uh, no, uh, no aliens. I had, I had a nice flyover from, uh, you know, a US, uh, fighter jet in the-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       Ooh.

   24. TGTom Green3:06

       ... Trona pil- pinnacles in this amazing part of desert in California.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Oh, yeah.

   26. TGTom Green3:11

       And, uh, and I was the only person there. And I could tell this fighter jet saw me and he just kind of came and sh- right over my window.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       Oh, wow.

   28. TGTom Green3:17

       Right over the thing.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Just to say hi?

   30. TGTom Green3:19

       Yeah. Yeah, and I didn't get my camera out in time and I just-

3. 3:21 – 6:21

   Rogan’s Blue Angels flight: G-forces, blackouts, and what jet pilots endure

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      I flew in one of those once.

   2. TGTom Green3:23

      Yeah?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:23

      Mm-hmm. With the Blue Angels.

   4. TGTom Green3:24

      Oh, yeah. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:25

      God, it's insane when you realize what those jets can do. And I think what they were flying was like an FA18, see if that's true.

   6. TGTom Green3:35

      Nice. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:35

      I think that's it.

   8. TGTom Green3:36

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      That's what we did. And, uh...

   10. TGTom Green3:38

       I believe they are, actually. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       I think they have even more capable jets now 'cause this is when... (sighs) I want to say this was like 2003, '02, something like that, way back in the day. I have a plaque-

   12. TGTom Green3:50

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       ... you know, that says you, you flew with the Blue Angels.

   14. TGTom Green3:52

       Su- pull major G-forces. I've never been in a fighter jet, but-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       Yeah. I did... I think I did six and a half Gs, something like that. And I stayed conscious, but then I blacked out when I forgot to do the hooking on a lesser run. Like, it was lesser. It was like 4Gs or something like that.

   16. TGTom Green4:11

       You forgot to do the... What's the-

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Oh, oh, I'm sorry. You, you... When you're, um... When you're going through high Gs you do a thing called hooking. I think that's how they say it. Where you hold onto the, the joystick or you can hold onto your straps on your legs if you're the passenger like I was.

   18. TGTom Green4:26

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       And you go like this. (grunting) And you're literally forcing blood into your head-

   20. TGTom Green4:32

       Oh, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       ... to stay conscious.

   22. TGTom Green4:33

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       So, while we're doing this I'm feel... That's what you're doing. See how she's doing that?

   24. TGTom Green4:38

       Nice.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       See how she's doing that?

   26. TGTom Green4:39

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Okay. I thought I could hear it.

   28. TGTom Green4:42

       S- so this is why-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       That's how you stay conscious.

   30. TGTom Green4:45

       Yeah.
4. 6:21 – 8:02

   Helicopters, USO tours, and performing in Iraq/Afghanistan

   1. TGTom Green6:21

      Yeah. Helicopters are, are even more of a, a no-no for me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Scared?

   3. TGTom Green6:24

      I don't, 'cause they, they seem to go down a little too much, you know. I've been in a few. I, I flew a black, in a Black Hawk through, you know, Baghdad in a... We did one of those USO tours.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      Wow.

   5. TGTom Green6:32

      Went, did stand-up over there back in 2003.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:35

      How was that?

   7. TGTom Green6:36

      That was a pretty, pretty wild experience. It was, it was right before, like it was probably fortunately for my, uh, nervous system, right after the mission accomplished banner-

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:51

      Oh.

   9. TGTom Green6:52

      ... and right before shit hit the fan with the IEDs.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       (laughs)

   11. TGTom Green6:55

       So, I was kinda thinking, "Oh, it's okay. No big deal." And we were over there in the green zone, and we were flying around in the Black Hawk helicopter. One night they said, "You wanna go out on a night patrol?" In like a tank. And I was all set to go, and then, then they had to cancel it 'cause of some sort of attack. And then we started hearing there's some stuff happening. The... We were there for about, a few days only, but they started avoiding, you know, stuff on the road, and the Humvees.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Oh.

   13. TGTom Green7:20

       And then the second I got back to, uh, to, uh, you know, stateside there, that's when it, it started to get real b- real bad over there. But I did a few of those. I did Afghanistan as well, and was on Chinook helicopters.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       Oh, wow.

   15. TGTom Green7:32

       'Cause my dad was military, so that's why I'm, that's why I'm rocking the Canadian army jacket.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       Yes.

   17. TGTom Green7:35

       Canadian army. We've got an army.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       I heard.

   19. TGTom Green7:38

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Recently, recently heard about it. (clears throat) They didn't fight too hard against tyranny.

   21. TGTom Green7:44

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       (laughs)

   23. TGTom Green7:45

       Here we go. (laughs) No, it's, uh... Well, we did. You know, actually, we fought pretty hard against, uh, the Germans, in the-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       I mean the internal-

   25. TGTom Green7:53

       Yeah. Oh, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       ... t- t- t-

   27. TGTom Green7:54

       I know, I know, I know. Well-

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       ... internal government tyranny.

   29. TGTom Green7:57

       Yeah, it's, it's fun. I, you know, I watch your show all the time, Joe, so it's like I know... I'm, I, and I'm a very proud Canadian, so it's like-

5. 8:02 – 11:59

   Joe credits Tom as a podcast pioneer—and Tom’s tech-driven origin story

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:02

      Tom, you're the granddaddy of this show.

   2. TGTom Green8:04

      Uh, (laughs) the granddaddy? Well, yeah. Uh, I don't know about that, but I mean, you've al-

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:08

      You are.

   4. TGTom Green8:08

      First of all, you've always been very, uh, uh, nice to, uh, you know, give me a shout-out about those early days of broadcasting in the living room, huh?

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      Well, dude, you're an awesome guy. I've always loved you. You're always cool to be around. And you also, your show in 2007, when I went on your show, that was 100% a major inspiration for me to do this. Because I remember thinking, "Oh my God, he figured it out." Like, I remember, I remember very clearly, like sitting next to you on that chair going, "Dude, you, this is it."

   6. TGTom Green8:40

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:40

      "Like, this is it."

   8. TGTom Green8:41

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:41

      "All you have to do is figure out how to make money with this."

   10. TGTom Green8:43

       Yeah. You said that on the show.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Yeah.

   12. TGTom Green8:44

       Which was hilarious, and then you figured that out, yeah. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       (laughs) Yeah.

   14. TGTom Green8:49

       You really figured that out. That's cool. That was the missing link, dammit. But, uh, no, no, that's amazing. No, it's, uh... You know, I remember when w- when we were doing it, I had, uh, you know... I always wanted to do a talk show when I was growing up. I loved Letterman, right? And I'd done my show on, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       You were great at it.

   16. TGTom Green9:06

       Yeah, and I really did enjoy... The, the first show was more, you know, me out in the street doing crazy stuff, and then we did a, a talk show which was a little bit more of a s- sort of a, a nightly show, little bit more time to talk, and I did, I did love doing that. When th- when the show stopped, uh, it was right at the time of, uh, you know, technology changing on the web. And, um, and that was kinda always kinda how I, I was kinda looking at technology usually, 'cause, you know, when I was a kid I was in a rap group, and it was c- from technology, right? I remember drum machines came out when we were listening to Public Enemy, I'm going, "What are these sounds?" You know? "H- how do you do that," right? And then I would go work a summer job. I'd buy a, a sampler, an Akai S900 sampler, an Atari computer, and I'd, you know, making beats in my parent's basement in Ottawa, Canada.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       Wow.

   18. TGTom Green9:55

       No one's, no one's making beats in Ottawa, Canada, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       (laughs)

   20. TGTom Green9:58

       We started this group called Organized Rhyme, and-

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       What year is this?

   22. TGTom Green10:01

       This was, well, we started in mid-'80s, and-

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       So this is all pre-internet?

   24. TGTom Green10:06

       Yeah, pre-internet, yeah. Yeah, this was high school.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       So, how are you finding out about all this stuff back then?

   26. TGTom Green10:11

       There we are. Well, that was, you know, friends at school were listening to rap music, so friends at school were like, "Hey, you gotta check out Public Enemy. You gotta check out Boogie Down Productions." I'm like, "Boogie Down Productions?" And then you just get a, someone give you a cassette of like the Criminal Minded, Boogie Down Productions, Bridges Over album, and you're listening to it, and they're rapping about Scott La Rock, their DJ, who'd been, you know... unfortunately, you know, passed away in bad circumstances. He was shot and killed. And then you're listening to this sort of... That was the internet to me, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Mm-hmm.

   28. TGTom Green10:42

       It was, was, was rap music and skateboarding. Thrasher m- magazine was skateboarding. You'd, you'd read stories about skateboarders in California in a magazine. You'd listen to rap music and hear stories about, you know, people who were not in Ottawa, you know, doing, doing cool shit. And, uh, and I was kinda wanting to get up on stage and perform. I was d- I was kinda dabbling with stand-up as a, at the, at Yuk Yuk's in, in the, a comedy club in Ottawa. And, uh, so-

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       When you say dabbling?

   30. TGTom Green11:11

       Well, I was doing stand-up, I was doing stand-up, but I, I never really got to really, you know, a level where I was kinda... I was doing it every week, I was going down every week for a couple of years, and actually the reason I stopped was 'cause, uh, the r- the r- the r- the rap group got kind of, uh, sort of a record deal basically-
6. 11:59 – 15:11

   Ottawa comedy scene, seeing young Norm Macdonald, and what made him different

   1. TGTom Green11:59

      the '80s, the '90s, before the internet, right? You'd go down to a comedy club and you'd find out about stuff...... just through word of mouth, like the rap music and like comedy. So I would go down to the comedy club, and I remember Norm MacDonald come through. And he was probably 25 years old, right? And I'm 16 in the audience. And then I got to become this huge fan of Norm. And he was Norm, but back then there wasn't a lot of people doing standup like Norm. Like, there wasn't this sort of angle of sort of this absurdity to it, this, this sort of, this sort of... There was more of a structured, down the middle-

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:39

      Yeah.

   3. TGTom Green12:39

      ... way of doing standup back then. And, and so Norm was this sort of, you know, you know-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      He was a curveball.

   5. TGTom Green12:44

      Yeah. This sort of curveball, and we just couldn't get enough of it. So every time he was in town, we'd be down there.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:49

      (coughs)

   7. TGTom Green12:49

      But Howard Wagman told me this, this story about Norm. And, uh, you know, the first time he came down to do, uh, standup at Yuk Yuk's in Ottawa. And he got off stage, and he was disappointed in how it went, Norm was. And he said, "I'm never doing this again."

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      (laughs)

   9. TGTom Green13:05

      He walked down the street. Howard Wagman chased him down Sparks Street in Ottawa and said, "No, that was great. You're coming back." And he made him come back, and the, the rest is history.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       Well, Norm was a legitimate genius.

   11. TGTom Green13:15

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       Like a genius of life.

   13. TGTom Green13:17

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       Like, like a, a, a rare specimen.

   15. TGTom Green13:21

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       Like, genius in not, not just that his comedy was brilliant, but just, just, like, "Look at this. I've never seen this before."

   17. TGTom Green13:30

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       Like, a totally different kind of human.

   19. TGTom Green13:32

       Yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       You know?

   21. TGTom Green13:34

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       And genuinely always funny. Like, every conversation was funny.

   23. TGTom Green13:40

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       He was just funny. I was on a plane with him accidentally twice.

   25. TGTom Green13:44

       Nice.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       Twice.

   27. TGTom Green13:44

       That must have been amazing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       Twice, on two separate occasions.

   29. TGTom Green13:47

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       Just totally random.
7. 15:11 – 22:24

   From math hate to smartphone dependency: attention, tracking, and endless scrolling

   1. TGTom Green15:11

      For me, it's... Fortunately, I've never liked numbers. Like, math was never something I enjoyed. So when it comes to blackjack, you're going, you're... I'm doing math in my head, and I get very uncomfortable.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      (laughs)

   3. TGTom Green15:21

      So I just, I'm... I go, "I'm, I'm not gonna be good at this."

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      That's a great reason to not gamble.

   5. TGTom Green15:26

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      You hate math class.

   7. TGTom Green15:27

      Yeah. I just figure I'm not gonna be good at this 'cause I can't even really add up what I'm supposed to be doing here quickly, so I'm just gonna just sit on the side. Plus, I'm cheap. I don't want to-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:34

      (laughs)

   9. TGTom Green15:34

      ... lose money. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       I'm not a math person either.

   11. TGTom Green15:37

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       It's a concentration thing. It's like (clears throat) , if you concentrated on math, really got good at the basics of it, and then really started getting into more complex mathematics, it'd probably be very fun, probably be very exciting. But the problem is I never p- concentrated in high school at all.

   13. TGTom Green15:56

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       I didn't pay attention to it.

   15. TGTom Green15:58

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       So I'm so removed.

   17. TGTom Green16:00

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Like, if people start talking about math, like complex shit-

   19. TGTom Green16:04

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       ... I'm like, "Ugh."

   21. TGTom Green16:05

       I checked out at long division.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       "I don't have the tools."

   23. TGTom Green16:07

       Long division, I checked out. I was, I was done.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Like, I'm like, "Are calculators available?" They're pretty much everywhere, right?

   25. TGTom Green16:12

       Right, right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       And aren't there, like, an unlimited supply, batteries?

   27. TGTom Green16:14

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       I'm like, "I'm out."

   29. TGTom Green16:15

       This is what I'm wondering, you know, now with, with, with our phones and our Google and everything. Like, we w- w- we don't have to learn any of that anymore.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       I don't know anyone's phone number.
8. 22:24 – 26:42

   Charlie the dog: rescue story, stage companion, and leaving Los Angeles for Canada

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:24

      Thank you. You're the only guy that brings his dog everywhere that's not annoying.

   2. TGTom Green22:28

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:28

      Maybe ever.

   4. TGTom Green22:28

      Yeah, yeah. Well-

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:29

      Maybe ever.

   6. TGTom Green22:30

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:30

      And everybody loves Charlie.

   8. TGTom Green22:32

      Yeah, everybody loves Charlie. Could be a... we-

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:34

      Charlie, Charlie's in here-

   10. TGTom Green22:35

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       ... with us now.

   12. TGTom Green22:35

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:36

       Charlie's a sweetie.

   14. TGTom Green22:37

       Charlie, um, is, uh, I got Charlie right before I, I came here the last time. Um, she's named after the John Steinbeck novel, Travels with Charley, um, 'cause, uh, I was out in the van and that, that book's about Steinbeck in the '60s. Got a camper v- made a camper van out of a pickup truck, and he drove across America, and he wrote a book about America and its differences.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:59

       Oh.

   16. TGTom Green22:59

       It's called Travels with Charley in Search of America. And, uh, and, uh, I got, I got Charlie at a rescue called THRIVE, is the name of the rescue, which is actually run by Jimmy Durante's daughter in San Diego, an entertain- the entertainer Jimmy Durante, who... It's, like, a, a ranch in San Diego, and they bring these dogs in from, uh, from the Bahamas and Mexico. They're called potcake dogs, and, um... Charlie. Anyways, we, uh, we went out in the desert and everybody loves Charlie, like you said.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:33

       There's Charlie.

   18. TGTom Green23:34

       On the-

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       Charlie looks like she was just taking a nap.

   20. TGTom Green23:36

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:36

       She's like, "What the fuck you waking me up for, dad?"

   22. TGTom Green23:38

       (laughs) But, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:39

       "I was just taking a nap."

   24. TGTom Green23:40

       The funniest thing is that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:41

       Charlie actually goes on stage with you. We should tell people.

   26. TGTom Green23:43

       Yeah, she just chills out up there. I just kind of take her-

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:46

       Which has got to be so weird when you're killing.

   28. TGTom Green23:48

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:48

       All that noise.

   30. TGTom Green23:49

       She's, uh, she's, she's kind of used to it.
9. 26:42 – 29:44

   Farm life reboot: mules, donkeys, hay bales, and learning animal responsibility fast

   1. TGTom Green26:42

      ... temperature, right? And that, that's the thing. Like, if you know how to do that... 'Cause I, uh, I got, I... it's been a lifestyle change. I bought... I, I got this farm. I'm on a farm now that I live on, and basically I'm gonna live there now for the rest of my life. I know it. I'm never gonna leave this place. I love it so much.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:00

      That's awesome.

   3. TGTom Green27:01

      It's, it's a wilderness area with some-

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:03

      I enjoy your videos from there. Looks like you're really enjoying it.

   5. TGTom Green27:06

      I am really loving it, you know? It's just, it's just such a, a peace of mind to get up in the morning.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:15

      Let me hear it.

   7. TGTom Green27:15

      And I've got this mule, and I got my strap there on the side. Oh, it's a... (laughs) Yeah, I got my mule. And, uh, this is a whole new thing, Joe. I mean, I don't know... I didn't... First of all, I didn't know anything about, um, uh, horses and mules. But I got a mule and a donkey and some chickens. And I'm just-

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:33

      So a mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse, correct?

   9. TGTom Green27:37

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       Is that how it works? Okay.

   11. TGTom Green27:37

       And I did not know that a year and a half ago.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:40

       They're supposedly, like, the most resilient animals for, like, riding trails and stuff.

   13. TGTom Green27:46

       So mules are... So yeah, I've... It's sort of all... It, it, it all started with... I found this property and this farm, and I wanted to be outside, and then there was these two old barns there. And I would look at these barns and I'd say... They were kinda calling for something to be put in them. They were 100 years old. There was stuff stor- stored in them. And so, uh, some, some friends of mine and I, we kinda cleaned up the barns, and, uh, we... I got this mule and this donkey. And so initially, the idea was I thought a mule would be kinda funny, right? 'Cause they're... they got bigger ears and they're kind of... I was thinking Three Amigos. I was thinking a donkey. I was thinking a mule was a donkey. I didn't even really know that much about it. But, um... And I started looking for a mule that you could ride, and there's not that many mules in Canada. They're much more of a Southwestern, you know, American thing. You know, George Washington bought... brought mules to America. It was a big part of, uh, you know, them settling-

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:45

       Really?

   15. TGTom Green28:45

       ... America. What... They would use them for farming. They-

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:47

       He brought them in?

   17. TGTom Green28:48

       Yeah, he was instrumental in being a big part of getting mules here. They would use them for, you know, harvesting, you know, pulling, you know, uh, h- harvesting crops and doing all the work around the farms and stuff.

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       Hm.

   19. TGTom Green28:59

       They have also been used in war a lot. They've been used in military.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:02

       Mm-hmm.

   21. TGTom Green29:02

       So, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:03

       A lot of pioneers preferred them to horses.

   23. TGTom Green29:05

       Yeah. They're extremely strong and they're very, very smart.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:09

       They can go longer without water too.

   25. TGTom Green29:10

       Longer with... Yeah, they use less water, less, less food.

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:14

       My friend Clay Newcomb is actually a mule expert.

   27. TGTom Green29:17

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:17

       He's been on the podcast before.

   29. TGTom Green29:18

       Oh, cool.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:19

       And he talked about fancy mules and, like, how you pick a mule and-
10. 29:44 – 49:36

    Mule intelligence and the psychology of leadership: training, testing, and nonverbal cues

    1. TGTom Green29:44

       Well, the thing that's so crazy about them is they're extremely smart to a point that it's... You know, people say stubborn as a mule.

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:53

       Mm-hmm.

    3. TGTom Green29:53

       It's, it's not really stubbornness. What is it? What is it? Self-preservation. So they figure out basically, "I'm, I'm riding this animal now." She's a very big mule, as you can see here, Joe.

    4. JRJoe Rogan30:04

       Mm-hmm.

    5. TGTom Green30:04

       She's a very big mule. She's called Sixteen Three Hands, is the way you measure horses and mules, and she's, like, as tall as they get. Her mother was a, uh, a horse, so, uh, a Percheron paint mix. So it's... A Percheron's a workhorse, almost like a Clydesdale. So she gets her size from that. And her father's a Mammoth donkey. And she's 10 years old.

    6. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       A Mammoth donkey?

    7. TGTom Green30:27

       Yeah, a Mammoth, yeah, yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       What a great name.

    9. TGTom Green30:29

       Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's crea- it's definitely created a very large, strong...... serious animal-

    10. JRJoe Rogan30:38

        I wanna see a picture of a mammoth donkey.

    11. TGTom Green30:41

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:41

        How big are they?

    13. TGTom Green30:42

        There we go, yep. Yeah. So you can sort of see-

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:44

        Whoa, look at the size of that fucking thing. That's a donkey?

    15. TGTom Green30:47

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:47

        Holy shit, dude.

    17. TGTom Green30:49

        And, and you can ride those too, so...

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:52

        (laughs)

    19. TGTom Green30:52

        And that's-

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:53

        But are, are donkeys harder, between 900 and 1200 pounds-

    21. TGTom Green30:57

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:57

        Are donkeys-

    23. TGTom Green30:58

        Fanny's-

    24. JRJoe Rogan30:59

        ... harder to train than mules?

    25. TGTom Green31:01

        I'm not sure of the answer to that. I'm not sure. But I know that mules are easier to train than horses, so I would assume... 'Cause they, they learn, but-

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:07

        And mules are sterile.

    27. TGTom Green31:09

        They're sterile, yeah. So a, uh-

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:12

        It's a hybrid animal-

    29. TGTom Green31:13

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:14

        ... and it can't breed. Which is, isn't that fascinating?
11. 49:36 – 53:21

    Predators on the property: wolves, bears, trail cams, and learning to live alert

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       This is the other question I w- I, I gotta remember. Why would you think that the wolves would not attack the mule?

    2. TGTom Green49:43

       Well, it's not, um ... First of all-

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:46

       'Cause, like, if she's scared of the wolves-

    4. TGTom Green49:48

       You know, donk-

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:49

       ... she sh- I think she should be scared of the wolves.

    6. TGTom Green49:51

       You know, donkeys and mules, but especially donkeys ... Mules have donkeys, so ... They're actually used a lot as, uh, as, uh, livestock protection animals, so ... 'Cause they'll stomp out a coyote or a wolf.

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:03

       Mm.

    8. TGTom Green50:03

       So a lot of farmers get them, put them in with their sheep, and, uh, they'll actually protect the herd. Um, so-

    9. JRJoe Rogan50:08

       That's awesome.

    10. TGTom Green50:09

        So it's, there's, it's, it, it's not impossible, but it is pretty uncommon that, uh, that, uh, coyotes and ... In my area, the wolves are not gray wolves, they're timber wolves, so they're not the, you know, um-

    11. JRJoe Rogan50:22

        They're not big?

    12. TGTom Green50:23

        ... as big.

    13. JRJoe Rogan50:24

        Right.

    14. TGTom Green50:24

        As big. But they're, uh, they're big enough though. They're about the size of huskies.

    15. JRJoe Rogan50:27

        So they, they mostly kill, like, deer and whatever (...) though?

    16. TGTom Green50:29

        Deer and, and smaller stuff like-

    17. JRJoe Rogan50:31

        They don't try for elk or anything like that?

    18. TGTom Green50:33

        Uh-

    19. JRJoe Rogan50:33

        'Cause the big gray, the big gray wolves will take out elks.

    20. TGTom Green50:36

        Yeah. I'm sure they, you know, I think-

    21. JRJoe Rogan50:38

        They take out moose.

    22. TGTom Green50:38

        Yeah, absolutely.

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:39

        Moose are so big, man. For a wolf to take out a moose, that's crazy.

    24. TGTom Green50:43

        Yeah, yeah. These are the w- This is my trail cams at my place.

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:46

        Oh, wow. Look, dropping a deuce right there on your trail cam-

    26. TGTom Green50:49

        So-

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:49

        ... staring you in the eye.

    28. TGTom Green50:50

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:50

        That's an alpha move right there, son. I guarantee that's the alpha.

    30. TGTom Green50:53

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12. 53:21 – 1:31:00

    Canada vs. U.S. politics: Trudeau, Poilievre, firearm rules, truckers, and free speech fears

    1. TGTom Green53:21

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to come to Canada, Joe. I know you, I know you haven't come to Canada yet, but, but i- uh, lately, but, but, uh, you, you gotta come to Canada. Because here's the thing, here's the thing, I ... 'Cause I watch the show all the time, so I know, I know what your, I know your feelings about Canada. But, uh, here's the thing. Like, everybody loves you in Canada, you know? So it's, you've got s- you, I, I'm coming down here. E- everybody's so stoked that I'm here. And I, I-

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:45

       I love Canadians.

    3. TGTom Green53:46

       It's-

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:46

       I just hate their government.

    5. TGTom Green53:47

       Mm-hmm. And sometimes-

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:48

       Is that Pierre, how do you say his last name? Poilievre, how do you-

    7. TGTom Green53:50

       Yeah, well it's French, so it's p- it's ... Well, I don't think he's French, but the name's French, Pierre Poilievre.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:55

       Poilievre, yeah.

    9. TGTom Green53:55

       With sort of a weird R, silent R.

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:57

        Yeah, it's a strange r- is the, as you see it written down, it's very difficult to remember how to say that.

    11. TGTom Green54:02

        Poilievre, Poilievre, yeah. So-

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:03

        But that guy-

    13. TGTom Green54:04

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        That guy makes so much more sense.

    15. TGTom Green54:06

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        He, he's so common sense and just calling out all the nonsense that's been done under this administration. It's just so sad to watch.

    17. TGTom Green54:16

        So this is the thing that I, I kind of, I guess, just wanted to throw out there, which is, it's, it's, it's not unlike here in the US, right? You've got Biden is the president now, right?

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:27

        Mm-hmm.

    19. TGTom Green54:27

        And then you, you, you've got a, essentially a democrat. We're, we actually call our democrats the liberals, right? That's how-

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:33

        Mm-hmm.

    21. TGTom Green54:33

        ... that's how unabashed we are liberal up there. We actually call the party the Liberal Party. It's not a bad word up there, right? They actually call them the liberals, so it's-

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:39

        And the other ones are conservatives.

    23. TGTom Green54:40

        And conservatives. Liberals and conservatives. But it's the same thing, you know? Like, half the country hates the, the party in power right now, just, like, as much as anybody, you know? And it's a, just a constant thing, and they want to get him out. And, and so, you know, I just, uh, I, I just want to, you know, as a proud Canadian, want to throw out the distinction that, uh, you know, Canada's, you know-It's like here. It's the same bullshit that's here. Everybody's arguing about issues, important issues. It's being reinforced, you know, through these algorithms. People get mad about it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:18

        Mm-hmm.

    25. TGTom Green55:18

        Then they start arguing. But, so, you know, like I s- I sometimes kind of go, "Wouldn't it be interesting if Pierre Poilievre won the next election?" Right? Because then all of a sudden we'd have a conservative government up there, and, uh, and, uh, let's say Biden won down here. You got a conservative government up there, and then Tucker Carlson might be going up to Canada talking about how great we are all of a sudden, you know? (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:37

        (laughs)

    27. TGTom Green55:38

        Because it just can switch on a dime, you know?

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:39

        It could.

    29. TGTom Green55:40

        So, you know.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:40

        It could go back.

Episode duration: 3:08:03