Joe Rogan Experience #2111 - Katt Williams

Katt Williams is a stand-up comic and actor. His new comedy special will stream live on Netflix from the YouTube Theater in Inglewood, California as part of Netflix Is A Joke Fest on May 4, 2024 at 7PM PDT/10PM EST. www.kattwilliamslive.com https://www.netflixisajokefest.com/artists/katt-williams

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0:00 – 2:16
Meeting for the first time & why stand-up comedy is a rare craft
1. JRJoe Rogan
  (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
2. NANarrator
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) What's up? (laughs)
4. KWKatt Williams
  How are you?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I can't believe we never met each other till today. That's kind of crazy.
6. KWKatt Williams
  It's really weird.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's kind of crazy. It was always, like, at the store, they're like, "Kat was here last night." I'm like, "Fuck." It was always (whoosh) two ships in the night.
8. KWKatt Williams
  Right. I would, I would see you and not be able to get to you. Like, comedy is small, but... only if you're mediocre.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. KWKatt Williams
  It's big. It's a vast, vast place.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's vast and it's also small-
12. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because there's so few of us. And worldwide? We were talking about this the other day. There's maybe 500 of us on the planet. You know, you gotta be real generous to say 500, because there's really probably about 250.
14. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, legit comics? Guys you wanna hang out with? Guys who are fun? Guys who you'd recommend?
16. KWKatt Williams
  Your number is going down.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  My number's going down. (laughs)
18. KWKatt Williams
  Your number's going down. (laughs)
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Guys you'd recommend leave your house, get a babysitter? Your number's going down. There's not a lot of people.
20. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  You think about the billions and billions of people on the planet to us. A little smidgen of us.
22. KWKatt Williams
  Well, as... as children, we all take to talking with ease. And so the fact that later on in your life, you'll be one of the people that could say, "I talk for a living," is, um, an amazing honor.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  It's amazing.
24. KWKatt Williams
  Even if you look a thousand years back.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Especially today. To just be able to talk for a living? Oh my God. What? And that's the problem also with what we do, is that everybody can talk. So they see you talking.
26. KWKatt Williams
  Mm-hmm.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  They're like, "I could do what he's doing."
28. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  "He's just up there talking."
30. KWKatt Williams
  And the better you do it, the easier it looks-
2:16 – 4:05
Luxury as craft: Rolls-Royce perfection, being grounded, and what we “live through”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  No. No. And then there's hanging around with comics you get to know about shit like their electric Rolls-Royces. (laughs)
2. KWKatt Williams
  (laughs) Right. Right. If Satan hits me-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
4. KWKatt Williams
  ... just know I'm hitting back immediately.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
6. KWKatt Williams
  You're, you're gonna know about it if I'm ever hurt. Yeah, the electric Spectre.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  That thing is insane. That thing's insane. Just the way the doors open up and the way the doors close when you touch the brakes. (clears throat) Totally silent.
8. KWKatt Williams
  For the price point, it has, it would have to be perfect. And the whole thing is, it is. And that's, that's what you're trying to do in any genre.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
10. KWKatt Williams
  Like, you're trying to find that thing that is flawless in that genre.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
12. KWKatt Williams
  And, uh, that's it.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the Rolls-Royce. I never had one of those.
14. KWKatt Williams
  Right. Well, because, because it's important to you that you be grounded in the important ways. So I can see you not have had it, hav- having not had a Rolls-Royce. I've had four, five.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) I'm not opposed to it.
16. KWKatt Williams
  Mm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's just, uh, the idea of it to me is like, don't do that, for me. You know, I'm always like, "Nah, get away from that."
18. KWKatt Williams
  Right, right.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Get yourself a muscle car.
20. KWKatt Williams
  What... Well, see?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
22. KWKatt Williams
  You see what I mean? Yeah, because, because we live vicariously through these things, and it's been that way for all of humankind.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Sure.
24. KWKatt Williams
  I'm saying it was still like that, um, for the Roman in his chariot.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
26. KWKatt Williams
  Like, that's how he felt. Like, that's, that's how horsemen feel about that ride, you know?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. KWKatt Williams
  Like-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, yeah.
30. KWKatt Williams
  ... transportation and people have a love story.
4:05 – 5:31
Cars as joy machines—and the coming era of mandatory automation
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's really the only object that I'm really into. Like, I'm, I'm into-
2. KWKatt Williams
  Vehicles?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, vehicles. I'm into mechanical vehicles.
4. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  There's, like, something about mechanical vehicles that just speak to me. I love them. I love looking at them. I love sitting in them. I love driving them. It's just like, it's one of the things that people say, like, money can't buy you happiness. That's definitely true. If you're fucked up, you're not gonna get happier if you get rich. But if you're already reasonably happy and you can afford a nice muscle car, goddamn, you'll feel happier. You will feel-
6. KWKatt Williams
  But-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... happier.
8. KWKatt Williams
  But every time.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Every time you drive it.
10. KWKatt Williams
  So what I'm saying is-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
12. KWKatt Williams
  ... when I got the '67 Chevy Camaro-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
14. KWKatt Williams
  ... I needed no other cars.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
16. KWKatt Williams
  I was complete.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. KWKatt Williams
  When I got the Grand National-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
20. KWKatt Williams
  ... you couldn't tell me anything. There was nothing on-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. KWKatt Williams
  ... the highway that was of my ilk.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. KWKatt Williams
  But I've felt that way, um, 12, 13 times. That's what makes it real love.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they give you real joy.
26. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Every time you drive them.
28. KWKatt Williams
  And you feel like that character in that movie, you know?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Fuck yeah.
30. KWKatt Williams
  Like...
5:31 – 8:44
Remote vehicle control & the Michael Hastings story: tech, policing, and power
1. JRJoe Rogan
  And I think it's a thing that won't exist 100 years from now. I think automated driving will be mandatory. I really do. I don't... I think we're about-
2. KWKatt Williams
  Wow.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 100 years away, 100 years away from no, no personal automobiles, no control over your vehicle. We're gonna stop all crashes. If we could stop all crashes and all highway deaths... Come on, Kat. Won't you contribute and give up all your rights to drive? We're gonna stop-
4. KWKatt Williams
  It's-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... all death.
6. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah, it's not... But understand that it...All of these things have, um, financial benefits and then they use those perks you just mentioned to get you in. But-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8. KWKatt Williams
  ... I, I, yeah. I, I-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  But somebody's making money.
10. KWKatt Williams
  I believe that, um, it'll be mandatory. But, but for practical reasons-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat)
12. KWKatt Williams
  ... like, this thing where the police want you and they have to chase you and you may get away, those, those days are done.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. They're just gonna-
14. KWKatt Williams
  You feel me?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... shut your car off. Yeah.
16. KWKatt Williams
  Your, your car is going to do what they-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. KWKatt Williams
  ... tell it to do.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. KWKatt Williams
  Which is get behind this patrol car and follow us to the station. Lock the doors. Like-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  There's speculation that they've, they've had that for a long time, you know? There was a... that-
22. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that famous journalist, Michael Hastings was his name? There's this journalist. I don't know if you know this story but (clears throat) it's pretty crazy. This guy went to, um, Afghanistan? He was in Afghanistan with the troops. And he was only supposed to be there writing a Rolling Stone article about this general for a very short amount of time. But then there was the volcano in Iceland, and the volcano in Iceland stopped air travel. So, he... this journalist from n- the Rolling Stone was embedded in this, this troop and they started talking shit. And he started reporting the shit that they were talking, including disparaging comments that the general had said about Obama. So, the general gets back. He has to retire. He has to... you know, it's... the Rolling Stone exposed. It's a big deal because everybody loves this general. So, he retires and this Michael Hastings guy is on the run and he's terrified. He's telling people, "If, if I commit suicide, I did not kill myself. People are threatening my life." And then he's going down La Brea and his car is going like 120 miles an hour, and just slams into a tree and explodes. And there's a video footage of it. This dude is just flying. Look at that. Flying down the street, hits a tree, and the car explodes. And they asked security experts at that time, I think this was like 2005? 4?
24. NANarrator
  I don't know.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat) 2004 or 2005? "Is it possible to control a vehicle remotely?" They said, "Does your vehicle have a computer?" If your vehicle has a computer, they can control it, period. There's a way.
26. KWKatt Williams
  And they know that.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  And they've been doing that for... That... this is-
28. NANarrator
  2010.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  2010. So this is 14 fucking years ago.
30. KWKatt Williams
  Easy peasy.
8:44 – 11:46
Patterns in history, shadow government, and capitalism’s incentive structure
1. KWKatt Williams
  If you actually do reading about Tesla... See, that's the thing, Joe. Tha- tha- that's why I love history so much, because once you find out that this world is a circle, you can never get lost. Like...
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. KWKatt Williams
  You can look at certain things and it'll-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Patterns.
5. KWKatt Williams
  ... tell you what's gonna happen later, like, with amazing accuracy. Like, um... (clears throat) Yeah, like, that's how I knew that things like what you showed me with Hastings, that those were real things.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. KWKatt Williams
  Um, it's not-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  They've always been real.
9. KWKatt Williams
  It's... Uh, everybody who has ever been killed in one of those ways, there was a financial benefit to it. It was obvious. It was easy. You know where it came from. It's just-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
11. KWKatt Williams
  ... that they do a good job. But h- how is that difficult if that's your job? Like, they do-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly.
13. KWKatt Williams
  ... this, they do this really well. They do it worldwide. Um, and-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Also, this guy fucked with the worst person you could fuck with, a high-ranking beloved general who's in charge of trained killers who love him. And you don't think he could put one of those dudes on you with a coffee meeting? Just have a sit-down at Starbucks with no phones on you? And let me explain what's going on?
15. KWKatt Williams
  A shadow government is no more difficult than a government.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. And so not only that, they don't, they don't have to get elected. It's even better.
17. KWKatt Williams
  That-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Even nicer. They can stay for a long time. They can... I mean, think about J. Edgar Hoover. How long did that motherfucker stay in power for? He was running the FBI wearing a dress for like 30 years (laughs) .
19. KWKatt Williams
  Because of what you just discussed.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
21. KWKatt Williams
  Like, like, there are... that... (clears throat) that's why I can speak with impunity about the Illuminati because I know who you would have to be in order for what I'm saying to bother you, number one.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. KWKatt Williams
  Number two, I know your big secret. I know that you're not the Illuminati. I am.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
25. KWKatt Williams
  So... (clears throat) You can't be illuminated. You're too dark. But the, the difficulty is getting people to believe something that they don't wanna believe. And in each of these cases, this is where the money is. If you're just a capitalist, it is find something, establish a value for it, and make sure that that includes your profit, and make sure people really want it.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. KWKatt Williams
  It, it, it's very fundamental. Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Also, if you're running corporations and you're-
29. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... making billions of dollars-
11:46 – 14:45
Nature, plants as medicine, and the “designed” interlock of life
1. KWKatt Williams
  We used to be able to do it with neglect, and it was called-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
3. KWKatt Williams
  ... nature's way. (laughs)
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
5. KWKatt Williams
  You know?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
7. KWKatt Williams
  Like, like, whatever was ailing you, it wasn't ailing everybody in the world. The Chinese didn't have it because they had-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. KWKatt Williams
  ... 6,000 herbs 6,000 years ago and knew what each one did then. You know? Like-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.You know, people are very resistant to that, when they don't realize that almost all pharmaceutical drugs come from plants. Uh, a big-
11. KWKatt Williams
  You can't be, uh, against the original.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. It's ridiculous.
13. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  That's, that's government propaganda working on you. That's like when they... Remember when they had Marinol when they were making weed illegal? And the people had, were going through cancer, and their doctors are prescribing them weed for chemotherapy, so they gave them Marinol. Do you remember that shit?
15. KWKatt Williams
  I do.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, it's like a synthetic version of weed that's terrible. (laughs)
17. KWKatt Williams
  I... But, but terrible is subjective-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
19. KWKatt Williams
  ... to nothing. So they have this, um, oil-like cannabis that is for, um, people having seizures-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
21. KWKatt Williams
  ... and it's the only thing that will stop a seizure.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it's incredible.
23. KWKatt Williams
  It is... But here's the thing, the fact that there is a God is the biggest conversation worldwide. But the truth of the matter is, there is more reason for you to believe there is a God than there is for you to not. Like, the way that things interact, like if we're just talking about marijuana or alcohol or whatever that is, you have to understand that this thing serves no other purpose than to bring pleasure to this small group of beings.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
25. KWKatt Williams
  And the fact that it already was set up to do that, the fact that it was already set up on this planet for there to be medicines for us to find and to utilize and-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. KWKatt Williams
  You see what I'm saying? It's like-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. KWKatt Williams
  It's not like, "Oh yeah, so he made a cow." No, to make a cow, it means you had to also have made grass, and it means you would have had to have invented a whole new eating system for this animal, which was cud. And that means you would, you would then have to give him three stomachs to be able to... And you would have to have known that he was going to then emit a gas that was going to be necessary on the planet. Like-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
14:45 – 17:49
Texas freedom, wild pigs, and escaping Hollywood’s ideological extremes
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, think about what we've done to wildlife. The wi- the wa- the craziest thing in this country, especially right here, is pigs. Bro, wild pigs are everywhere and there's so many of them. I went to a friend of mine's farm, or well, it's like a ranch, to, to hunt wild pigs.
2. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And you just hear them like, like Lord of the Rings characters in the bushes. (imitates pig sounds) And there's 150 of them near you, 250 of them, thousands on the ranch. They're all over the place and they have three litters a year, and they start having litters when they're six months old. They just pump out piglets, let's go.
4. KWKatt Williams
  You can tell they're not delicious.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  They are delicious.
6. KWKatt Williams
  Oh, well, then here we go then.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They're delicious.
8. KWKatt Williams
  We don't really have, we don't really have a problem then, do we?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. No, we have a "we need to eat pigs" problem. (laughs)
10. KWKatt Williams
  No, we need to be sending this off somewhere-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. KWKatt Williams
  ... to someone who does.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, definitely we should. That would be an easy way to solve a lot of hunger problems.
14. KWKatt Williams
  I'm saying we live in a country where we're complaining about food sources.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a good point.
16. KWKatt Williams
  These chickens are pecking us to death. They're everywhere.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
18. KWKatt Williams
  I can't eat and sleep. Yeah, but they're delicious, right?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, have more chickens. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we do have an overabundance problem, for sure. We really do. But the pig thing is a wild one. It's, it's hard to get them. Like you gotta... They're very smart and they spread out and there's so fucking many of them, they shoot them with helicopters.
20. KWKatt Williams
  Oh, yeah. I've seen it. Right, right. It's-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I've been invited three times since I moved here to go shoot pigs out of a helicopter.
22. KWKatt Williams
  But that's part of the reason that you came to Texas.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  The freedom, for sure.
24. KWKatt Williams
  Texas is a place of great adventure.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. KWKatt Williams
  And people who believe in that, right?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. KWKatt Williams
  It's really God's country in the right places.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It is in the right places.
30. KWKatt Williams
  Mm-hmm.
17:49 – 21:56
Regulation, menthol bans, and why many people prefer government control
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I think a big part of it though is how much does your government control you, even when things don't even make sense? Like in California, they made flavored vapes illegal.
2. KWKatt Williams
  (sighs)
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Can you imagine?
4. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You're like, "Strawberry mist is our number one problem."
6. KWKatt Williams
  That was fine, but they let it also hurt Black people in that it counted menthol as a flavor and hurt Newports.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  So you can't sell menthol cigarettes in California?
8. KWKatt Williams
  Right, they have their own cigarettes.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  That is wild.
10. KWKatt Williams
  They have non-menthol Newports. Yeah, it's terrible.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Why do Black people like menthol so much?... what's that about? It's a totally different type of cigarette.
12. KWKatt Williams
  You're gonna get me canceled. Um-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
14. KWKatt Williams
  This is very racist, this conversation.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Is it?
16. KWKatt Williams
  Even e- even though neither of us are. Go figure.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Just talking about a type of cigarette other people enjoy?
18. KWKatt Williams
  Just, just, just us saying, just us saying, "Why do black people like Newports so much?"
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Menthol cigarettes.
20. KWKatt Williams
  And a black, and a black person actually getting ready to answer this, ugh, it's terrible on all ends. Um-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think it is.
22. KWKatt Williams
  Well, I don't think it is either-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. KWKatt Williams
  ... because we have a, a new cigarette.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like if you started asking me about spaghetti, I'm not gonna get offended. If you started asking me about Italian food or why, why are Italian people so loud, I'm not gonna (laughs) not gonna get offended.
26. KWKatt Williams
  How many people have ever died of pasta-related illnesses?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
28. KWKatt Williams
  A lot, Joe.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  A lot of fatsoes out there kicking the bucket, bro.
30. KWKatt Williams
  That's, that's not 'cause of pasta. (laughs)
21:56 – 23:22
Digital ID, social credit, UBI: modern ‘Mark of the Beast’ and brain-interface tech
1. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  "But I'm gonna need certain requirements of you. I'm gonna need you to have a digital ID. That digital ID will be attached to a social credit score, and we're gonna give you universal basic income. You no longer have to worry about food or shelter. You'll be taken care of, and now you can pursue your dreams."
3. KWKatt Williams
  Is this the mark of the Beast you're speaking of, sir?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I think it is.
5. KWKatt Williams
  Right. That that's-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  I look at-
7. KWKatt Williams
  ... the whole thing, is it's never been difficult at any point in history. Like, like, we got a dude right now that's telling you front and center that I put a computer in somebody's head, guys.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. KWKatt Williams
  Like-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
11. KWKatt Williams
  Like-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And everybody's going, "Yay." (clapping)
13. KWKatt Williams
  It's the greatest thing in the world, sir.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. KWKatt Williams
  But we understood this 15, 20, 25 years ago. We understood while watching Tron or while watching Cyborg, we understood that there was just this small line medically that needed to be crossed-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. KWKatt Williams
  ... in order for us to be able to do these things.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. KWKatt Williams
  Like, if you can hook a battery up to a octopus and make it go like this, you're halfway there.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. KWKatt Williams
  Why? Because this, this is, uh, this is a machine that we have here.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. It's a biological machine.
23. KWKatt Williams
  Right. And once you-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. KWKatt Williams
  ... understand it, you understand it.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And you could fuck with that machine. You could juice it up, you could fucking get it stronger, get it smarter.
29. KWKatt Williams
  This is-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  You could do a lot of things with that machine.
23:22 – 27:39
Anunnaki, ‘timekeeping compass,’ temples as knowledge centers, and ancient cosmology
1. KWKatt Williams
  This is what the Anunnaki said.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. KWKatt Williams
  This is wh- how you know that these are not made-up things from people's imagination, because everything is too factual. Like, like this necklace, right?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
5. KWKatt Williams
  People online were like, "Yeah, is that Buddhist or that's, uh, this or that?" It, it's none of that. Like, like I just try to find the answers to things. So I, I-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that a ship wheel?
7. KWKatt Williams
  I designed this because this is that thing that you see that all the Anunnaki guys that have that look like a wristwatch-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
9. KWKatt Williams
  ... and they always have it and you're always trying to see what that is.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. What is that?
11. KWKatt Williams
  It is a time and it's a compass. It's a timekeeping compass.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what that is?
13. KWKatt Williams
  So, yeah. So that's what made the carrier of great importance, because he was able to do things that were magical in nature, like go somewhere-... and get right back.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
15. KWKatt Williams
  (laughs) Like, you know what I mean? Like-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  So yeah, that, that thing on the wrist was a compass?
17. KWKatt Williams
  A timekeeping compass.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  A timekeeping compass.
19. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah. A... oh, right. So, you had to believe in things that didn't exist at some point, like magnetics, and, um, distance, and-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
21. KWKatt Williams
  ... probabilities, and-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. KWKatt Williams
  Right. That's how, like, if you, if you were to read like thousands of books about people that knew a bunch of shit, like you fi- start finding out that it's not really about knowing anything, it's about where to go to get the information. You know what I mean?
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. KWKatt Williams
  Um, so like when we look at all the ruins all around the world, like we're not seeing ruins of colleges and universities, and all of that. We're seeing temples, and synagogues, and churches, and ... But people don't understand that that's where that information was coming from, for that period of time. When we went to these temples, they weren't in there singing and reading from a book. They were in there being taught things that they were able to go put into practice. You see what I'm saying?
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. KWKatt Williams
  Like, they were being taught ar- agriculture. You know what I mean? Like, they were being taught... (clears throat)
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah. If-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  They had some very bizarre knowledge too. They had a detailed knowledge of cosmology. They, they-
27:39 – 38:52
Younger Dryas, pyramid origin debates, and the ‘power plant’ theory
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Are you familiar with the Younger Dryas Impact Theory? Do you know what that is?
2. KWKatt Williams
  Say what it is.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Younger Dryas Impact Theory is a theory that Earth goes through a cycle of like comet storms, every June and every November. And most of the time, nothing happens. But every now and again, we get hit. We get hit big. And they think we got hit big 11,800 plus years ago, and that that had to restart civilization. And that, what you're seeing from like Mesopotamia, all these people 6,000 years later, they think that is a rebuilding of civilization that was already like just whispers and stories and tales, and then they rebuilt it again thousands of years later. But if you go back to like 11,800 BC, uh, 11,800 years ago, you're, you're dealing with who we thought were hunter-gatherers, and now we know they weren't. Now we know they built complex stone structures. And the real speculation is, they think that the people who built the pyramids built them way earlier than the conventional dating is. They think there's real evidence that shows-
4. KWKatt Williams
  No.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they're 9,000, 11,000 years old easy.
6. KWKatt Williams
  No people built the pyramids.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  No people?
8. KWKatt Williams
  No.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Who built them?
10. KWKatt Williams
  No people built the pyramids. And if you, and if you look around the world, you see certain telltale things that let you know that advanced machinery was in usage. Look, there- (clears throat)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  For sure.
12. KWKatt Williams
  ... this whole thing where slaves are stronger people is a fallacy. We like to believe that slaves are stronger. Slaves are weaker, because they don't eat the right food, and they live a terrible life. Um, your slave population is not smarter or in better condition-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they don't-
14. KWKatt Williams
  ... unless you're enslaving the Jews.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they don't think slaves built the pyramid. They stopped thinking that quite a while ago. They think it was actually skilled labor, because of the way they were eating, they found l- what their camps were, where their food was, they ate like very good food. So they think they were actually skilled labor, but also probably forced skilled labor. But that's probably not the people who built it. That's probably the people that were working on it. That's the-
16. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... probably the people that worked in the village or in the, in, you know, in the city.
18. KWKatt Williams
  How many companies have done renovations on the White House?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Two.
20. KWKatt Williams
  None of them have done enough renovation that they can claim it's their white house. So yes, thousands of years worth of people were there, but that doesn't have anything to do with the building of it.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Who do you think built it?
22. KWKatt Williams
  (clears throat) Well, understand, we, we know enough now to understand that this was a complex. This was not, um ...
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
24. KWKatt Williams
  (clears throat) We've been led to believe that this is how much they worshiped their dead bodies.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
26. KWKatt Williams
  But the evidence doesn't show any of that.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  No, it doesn't.
28. KWKatt Williams
  Like, like when you see inside, when they have those intricate carvings and paintings and stuff in gold and stuff, you have to remember, this is in a windowless room.... folks, there's no candle soot. There's no... There's, (laughs) uh, it, it's clearly a power plant and built specifically for that location on this planet for usage.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  What do you think it was powered by?
30. KWKatt Williams
  Um, the, um, hot water springs underneath it.
38:52 – 57:07
Atlantis candidates, the Richat Structure, and mapping myths to geography
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Have you ever seen the, the guy that thinks that they found the spot in Africa? What is that, uh, that, the ring called?
2. NANarrator
  Uh-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That Jimmy Corsetti is, uh... He's on this. This dude is an, an expert in this shit, and he's an expert in, uh, ancient catastrophes and, and the remnants and the evidence that shows that these civilizations existed and something happened. And he's focused on this one area in Africa that he believes is Atlantis, and he, he says it has all the hallmark characteristics, and there's all the evidence of massive water erosion surrounding the area, that at one point in time, it's very likely that this area got hit with a massive flood. And it matches all the characteristics of Atlantis. When you see it, when you see the way the, the concentric circles of rings-
4. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, try explaining this.
6. KWKatt Williams
  (clears throat)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, you're gonna see it. Now, try explaining this through a natural phenomena that doesn't exist anywhere around it.
8. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Ccentric circles that is near what used to be water, and there's heavy water erosion marks all around it that indicate massive-
10. KWKatt Williams
  (laughs)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... amounts of quick-flowing water in a very short period of time.
12. KWKatt Williams
  Right. Yeah. Uh-
13. NANarrator
  Look at this. I forget what it's called, but I know exactly where it is. It's right here. So, you can zoom in. ............................
14. JRJoe Rogan
  That's it. Look at that thing. Bro, are you fucking kidding me?
15. NANarrator
  The Richat Structure is what it's called.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  That's it, the Richat Structure. I mean, are you fucking kidding me?
17. NANarrator
  I think if you go 3D, you can see the...
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Now, imagine if that was this massive city of concentric circles and walls and a thriving population, and then it gets hit with this water. You could see the water erosion all over the place.
19. NANarrator
  Mm-hmm.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  The whole thing looks like it's washed out. See it?
21. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  It looks like it was washed out 'cause it was.
23. KWKatt Williams
  Right.
24. NANarrator
  And that's salt, I believe.
25. KWKatt Williams
  But that's what makes-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes. There's salt there. That's the other thing.
27. KWKatt Williams
  ... between this and the Garden of Eden locations. Like, these are the two... These are two of the great landmarks in, uh, human history, and so-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Where's the Garden of Eden?
29. KWKatt Williams
  Well, when you read the stories, right, the, the thing that strikes you is that it's so specific. Like, it says things in talking about the Garden of Eden that, wait a minute, if I can't find what you're talking about, this isn't even real. You see what I'm saying?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
57:07 – 1:02:45
Katt’s childhood: extreme reading discipline and how books build a worldview
1. KWKatt Williams
  ... because, um... Like, when I, when I say, like, you know, I read 3,000 books-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
3. KWKatt Williams
  ... people are like, "Yeah, right." But, you know, every- everything in life is about the environment i- it was grown in, the Petri dish, right? So, if I told you that from the time I was eight to the time I was 12, um, I never celebrated any birthdays, I never went to a birthday party, I never had a Thanksgiving, a Christmas, I never trick-or-treated, I wasn't allowed to watch movies and I wasn't allowed to watch TV. Um, all I could do was read. If I told you that, then you will understand-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
5. KWKatt Williams
  ... that for eight hours a day, I got eight hours and I can read and I love to read. And so, I'm reading books that are 250, 200 pages and it takes me about a hour to read one. So yeah-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  It takes you an hour to read-
7. KWKatt Williams
  ... I'm, I'm reading-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 150 pages?
9. KWKatt Williams
  ... eight a day. Yeah. Like, all I'm doing is reading 'cause that's what... So, I'm, I'm checking out 20 books. The limit at the library is 20 books at one time, so I'm going Monday, Wednesday, and Friday just because this is my thing. Like...
10. JRJoe Rogan
  So, you're getting 60 books a week?
11. KWKatt Williams
  Ab- minimum because-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
13. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah, yeah. Because I'm reading more than that because I still have religious books that I have to read. So under-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  How would you...
15. KWKatt Williams
  ... un- understand this is pre-internet first.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
17. KWKatt Williams
  So, understand that in reading one thing that I'm reading, right?
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
19. KWKatt Williams
  (clears throat) This one thing that I'm reading is also req- requiring me to have this appendix book that is the source book that it's telling me it's getting these things from. And so I've got four books open at a time just for this one book. Like, um...
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
21. KWKatt Williams
  But yeah. I'm... So, first, I, I guess between 8 and 12, I'm only... I'm, I'm a l- I can read classics and non-fiction, so I'm saying no novels or anything like that. I'm just reading the... Like, Time Life has like 1800 of these individual books (laughs) , um, on all subjects of the world. And, um...
22. JRJoe Rogan
  So, you just spent most of your time reading?
23. KWKatt Williams
  Not most. All of it.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  All of your time reading? And then when did it become-
25. KWKatt Williams
  That was my thing because, um, like, like, I was able to be in each of these stories. You follow what I'm saying?
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. KWKatt Williams
  And, and, um, I was getting so much information. Like half of those I probably had to write a one-page report on after, you know. But, um, yeah. That was my whole thing. And I... The numbers aren't even really accurate 'cause I read more than that because, like, sometimes-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
29. KWKatt Williams
  (laughs) ... sometimes I would read something and I wouldn't get it. Like-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
1:02:45 – 1:34:55
Sacred grids, Ark of the Covenant as tech, and why ‘disclosure’ is gradual
1. KWKatt Williams
  Yeah.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  ... this place right here freaks me out the most 'cause this, uh, this area, specifically this area of Texas, the Hill Country, was just all Native Americans forever. There's thousands of arrowheads, man. Look at this.
3. KWKatt Williams
  Here's the, here's the thing-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  My friend found this on his ranch.
5. KWKatt Williams
  None, none of those people, when we say "those people," n- none of them picked a bad place, ever.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
7. KWKatt Williams
  That's when you understand that there's a grid.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. KWKatt Williams
  Because nobody's holy people picked bad spots.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
11. KWKatt Williams
  Everybody understood certain things about the area and long before they had X-ray machines and-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. KWKatt Williams
  If you just went by that in the whole world, you would start to understand, like, the true power of the Vatican and the fact that certain things are based on real shit, like the Arc of the Covenant ain't some spooky little story. It's like-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  What do you think it is? You think it's like a nuclear generator or something like that? What do you think it is?
15. KWKatt Williams
  Whatever the nucleus is that would nuclearly power something-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. KWKatt Williams
  ... that would have in- initially been in the pyramids, would also have been in the Arc of the Covenant-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
19. KWKatt Williams
  ... which would be the same thing.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
21. KWKatt Williams
  Something that you can't fuck with-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. KWKatt Williams
  ... and it's radioactive and it's very powerful-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That's why they got to put all those rocks around it.
25. KWKatt Williams
  ... but it still has to be... Oh, shit.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Can you imagine?
27. KWKatt Williams
  That's why I'm saying nobody's telling any crazy stories, my man. Not globally.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
29. KWKatt Williams
  No. Every- everything was about something.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it gets less crazy every year. It gets less crazy every year.
1:34:55 – 1:56:27
Propaganda, Hollywood rituals, and tech as the modern demon metaphor
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I just wonder where it's all headed 'cause if, it seems like we're building towards an event. I think about it all the time. It seems like, um, it's not-
2. KWKatt Williams
  It's time to get a bunker.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  It seems like it might be a good time to get a bunker, or at least some, a supply of water.
4. KWKatt Williams
  Well, here's the thing, if you follow what becomes accessible, that's how you can generally see where things are going, you know?

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Atlantis candidates, the Richat Structure, and mapping myths to geography

Katt’s childhood: extreme reading discipline and how books build a worldview

Sacred grids, Ark of the Covenant as tech, and why ‘disclosure’ is gradual

Propaganda, Hollywood rituals, and tech as the modern demon metaphor

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