Joe Rogan Experience #2119 - James Lindsay

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) James Jensen, how are you, sir?

   4. JLJames Lindsay0:14

      I'm good, Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      'Cause you're an American masculine already, sure. We both, uh, we didn't even coordinate, but we're both wearing American flags.

   6. JLJames Lindsay0:19

      Yeah, well, I mean, it's that kind of ... It's, it's that time, right? It's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah.

   8. JLJames Lindsay0:23

      ... time to start saying, "You know what? I'm an American," (laughs) and that's cool.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Before you say, uh, that, I mean, if you don't, we're, we're on the way to saying, "I'm Chinese." (laughs)

   10. JLJames Lindsay0:34

       Yeah. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       (laughs)

   12. JLJames Lindsay0:36

       Uh, well, uh, how's your Mandarin?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah. Might be a good time to learn it as they're, they're all sneaking in across the border. That's one of the more disturbing things. When I talked to Bret Weinstein, he was talking about how many, uh, Chinese m- military-aged men are sneaking across the border. And you wanna, you wanna look at it the best way possible. You say, well, it's probably a bunch of people that are looking for work, and it's probably a bunch of people that are ... You know, there's not as many Chinese women, and they're trying, looking for a girlfriend or something. And-

   14. JLJames Lindsay1:03

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       ... why do they have military haircuts? Well, they're probably, you know, it's just like a young man thing, hmm?

   16. JLJames Lindsay1:08

       Yeah. I mean, I've heard more specifically, I can't vet it, so I can't prove it, and so I like... There's the grain of salt upfront, but I have, I've heard that even Chinese special forces ... If I was a special forces of a hostile country, I'd try to sneak across and do infiltration. So, I've heard that there might be even, you know, hundreds or thousands of those. Not hundreds of thousands, hundreds or thousands. But I don't know if that's true, but ...

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Well, I wouldn't ... I- it's not even really sneaking in anymore, is it?

   18. JLJames Lindsay1:35

       No, you just kinda walk across and ... I mean, there's even memes that are like, "I'm gonna go to Honduras and give up my American citizenship and come back across-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Yeah.

   20. JLJames Lindsay1:42

       ... so everything will be paid for for me." You know? It's like, no, it's not sneaking across. It's, it's, like f- as they are saying, full-scale invasion.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Well, it's just weird. It's weird that we've just kind of gone, "Well, well ..." We've always, uh, agre- ... I mean, there was always customs. There's always, you land, they check out your stuff, they look at your paperwork. They go through your passport. They ask you questions.

   22. JLJames Lindsay2:06

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Why are you in this country? You know? And it's always been that way. Like, I, I was watching this video with the ... You know who Deadmau5 is?

   24. JLJames Lindsay2:15

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       Deadmau5, the m- musician, um, the DJ. He was, uh, uh, they ... He was trying to come into the country to visit his friend, and, uh, they said, "No, you're coming in to work." He's like, "No, no, I'm coming ..." 'Cause he's famous.

   26. JLJames Lindsay2:29

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       He works.

   28. JLJames Lindsay2:30

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       He's like, "No, I've get ... paperwork." And they, they kicked him out of the country for like seven years.

   30. JLJames Lindsay2:35

       Whoa.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. JLJames Lindsay15:00

      one, and the fact is, when you start getting, you know, divorced, too far away from... Mexican issues being ruled by, ruled over in say Ottawa is a little bit difficult, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Right.

   3. JLJames Lindsay15:09

      But, so there's that kind of stuff, but there's also a huge geopolitical... I hate misusing that word. I learned what the word geopolitical really means, and like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      What does it really mean?

   5. JLJames Lindsay15:17

      It means politics of earth things, like waterways, oceans, dams.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Oh, interesting.

   7. JLJames Lindsay15:22

      And so it's like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      I've always used it wrong too.

   9. JLJames Lindsay15:24

      I go totally like autistic every time I say the word now, and I'm like, "Damn it, I know it means something different," because we all use it wrong, but-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Right.

   11. JLJames Lindsay15:30

       ... I'm gonna use it wrong anyway. The G- there's a geopolitical move from China right now called the Belt and Road Initiative. And the Belt and Road Initiative, that's tied to the BRICS, that's... The idea is that the entire global south, with China as its head, is going to become the new epicenter, the superpower of the world. And it's gonna be not just trade. I mean, China doesn't exactly trade on fair terms. They're gonna go and basically exploit places, "We'll build you a nice airport, we'll build you a nice port, we'll build you some highways. By the way, they all go straight to the mine, and we're taking all of your lithium-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Right.

   13. JLJames Lindsay15:59

       "... when we come in. That's your deal, and now you're economically dependent on us." Um, pretty standard, uh, game that they're playing. And that Belt and Road Initiative actually is a competing interest to spreading democracy around the world. So I know Vivek Ramaswamy, you know, really hit this out of the park where he said, "We went over to China and said, 'Let's spread democracy to China.'" So in a sense, we bit off way more than we could chew, if you wanna think of it that way. "Let's spread democracy to China," and China was like, "Ha ha ha, yeah, let's see." And they flipped the table on us and made it so that if you wanna play in... If you wanna get in the Chinese market, so first they become the manufacturing base of the world, but then if you wanna play in the Chinese market, what do you have to do? Well, the CCP puts up a firewall, and if you don't s- don't play by the Chinese rules, you don't get into China. So now Nike and all these big, you know, corporations, and all these other... And, and NBA. I name Nike 'cause it just keeps coming to mind, but there's a huge consumer market over there that's buying up stuff like crazy, that's one of the things I witnessed in China. Everybody's starting to have money, so they're buying up brand name stuff everywhere that they can all the time to show that they have some money now. And huge market. So they want into the market, the market's gigantic, it's a manufacturing base, so it's, you know, relationships are built, but if you want to play, you play by Chinese rules. So spreading democracy partly didn't work because we have to play by China's rules.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JLJames Lindsay17:21

       And that's... The Belt and Road Initiative is meant to create a global, uh, global south network, so we're the global north. That's, you know, South America, parts of Africa, a lot of like Indonesia, A- uh, India, and then China. Of course, BRICS just throws Russia into that mix, but otherwise, that's who you're talking about. And China's setting itself up to be the kind of global superpower or hegemon of that entire project, and we're talking about, you know, the flow of trillions of dollars of, of goods, and, and oil, and energy, and whatever every year, so that's a huge thing to play with, and it turns out, I don't think... If, if we take Vivek's line, we got outfoxed in the deal, so spreading democracy, you know, there are lots of these cultural reasons, "Oh, they're not ready for democracy." I don't know, maybe.... maybe some places, maybe not some places. But there are other pressures too, that we've been asleep to. We're not pa-... We have not been paying attention as a country. Maybe some of our, like, state department people have been, to China for the, the way that we should have been. Like, we, we should have been in the '80s and '90s like, "Oh no, China." Right? But we were like, "Oh yeah, China. Okay, cool. Yeah. Go like, make all of our cheap stuff for us."

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:29

       Well, they've done an amazing thing in combining communism with capitalism.

   17. JLJames Lindsay18:34

       That's right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       Because if you just have North Korea, you never develop a real superpower.

   19. JLJames Lindsay18:38

       Thank you f-... Thank you, Joe. I, I beat this drum and I get called crazy all the time, because what I'm trying to tell people is that communism is what's happening to this country. Okay? But it doesn't look like communism, 'cause it's like, how is Nike communist?

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:52

       Right.

   21. JLJames Lindsay18:52

       And I'm picking on Nike. No. How is Boeing? Let's become Boeing instead. How is Boeing communist? You know, they've all these... How is Disney communist? Right? They're huge mega corporations. What did, um, what did Google just lose over (laughs) its stupid AI? $90 billion or something. It's something insane, like I didn't even know they had that much money to lose. And it's like, holy crap, you know, in stockholder value or whatever, or shareholder value. So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       I think it was only nine billion.

   23. JLJames Lindsay19:16

       Was it? I thought that was Bud Light that was nine.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       No, no. Bud Light was 27.

   25. JLJames Lindsay19:20

       Holy... But look at what we're, we're like haggling over, like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Insane amounts of money.

   27. JLJames Lindsay19:24

       ... 11, 12 figure, you know-

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       I know, right?

   29. JLJames Lindsay19:27

       Yeah. And so it's like at least 10 figure numbers of money. Like Elon kind of rolls in that department, but nobody else does. So anyways, what... Where was I going with this? 'Cause this is huge. Oh, the communist. Why, how am I in the world are these huge things communist, right? So communism didn't work, right? Soviet Union sucked. North Korea sucked. Cuba sucks. Like I'm sure it's like geographically beautiful, but we know those places are dysfunctional as hell.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:56

       Right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   What? …

   1. JLJames Lindsay30:00

      right? So it's Harvard Corporate Law website document, and they're talking about corporate bonuses and the corporate bonus structure, and that your governance score, your E- your ESG score, so the G part, will go up if you give corporate bonuses to yourself for implementing ESG. That's just naked corruption, right? And so that... so they can come in and say, "Well, you want a good ESG score?"... and they can make that important or whatever. I guess they have made that very important because everybody's doing it. And they say, "Well, if you want a good ESG score, you need to put an activist on your board, or, you know, 30% women on your board, or DEI requirements on your Boeing board." Or you have to have a good Corporate Equality Index score, which is published by the Human Rights Campaign, which means that you're not just having a non-discriminatory workplace for LGBT, but you're also promoting LGBT agendas. You're lobbying on behalf of bills one way or the other, and the legislature will tell you which ones. A couple of years ago, they told the airlines they needed to fly around, uh, activists to the Pride pola- parade, so they'd have more people at them, uh, for reduced-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:01

      What?

   3. JLJames Lindsay31:01

      ... prices. Oh, yeah. Why do you think Dylan Mulvaney's face was on a beer can? The whole fallout of the Dylan Mulvaney explosion at Bud Light, all of it was about the CEI score, because then the Human Rights Campaign came out and said, "Well, you didn't stand up for Dylan, so we're going to lower your score anyway." And they were like, "Oh, no." And then everything got all tossed up. That these numbers mean a lot to people. So, the stated goal was to take... t- to create a set of measurements that they could use to justify taking trillions of dollars of other people's money and doing activist investing with it. And that all turned into the S is now DEI. It's woke. It's woke social justice. It's not social responsibility. It's whatever they want.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:43

      I-

   5. JLJames Lindsay31:43

      Elon Musk bought Twitter, and the social score for Tesla went through the floor. Like, what did that have to do... And now all of a sudden, Tesla's a racist company, they accused him of. Like, what are you talking about, right? Th- they didn't like that he bought Twitter. Weapons manufacturers like Dick Cheney's Halliburton were, you know, social bad, bad, bad, bad. And then all of a sudden, the conflict in Ukraine bla- breaks out, and they're like, "Oh, we need, we need missiles." And they changed the score, basically overnight. That, that's, uh, because the social environment of the world changed. These are real things. Like, this is all verifiable. So, I think it's an instrument of... Maybe it wasn't meant to be in 2003. Maybe the guy just wanted to save the trees. But it's become an instrument of control and, and effectively a social credit system for corporations to force corporations. And that's what Larry Fink said about it on TV. He said, we're... You could pull up the... I'm sure we can find the video and pull it up, where he says that, "We're interested in forcing behaviors, and that's what we're doing."

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:32

      I want to get to that, but I still... I don't want to gloss over Klaus Schwab's dad.

   7. JLJames Lindsay32:35

      Klaus, no, of course.

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:36

      I want to remember that.

   9. JLJames Lindsay32:37

      And I got a George Soros I'd love to not gloss over, too.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:40

       Okay.

   11. JLJames Lindsay32:40

       Because he had a crazy interview in 2004 nobody knows about, and I think you'll get a kick out of it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       So, hold what you were just saying, saying about Larry Fink. We'll put that...

   13. JLJames Lindsay32:47

       We, yeah, we're piling Jamie up there.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       The best I could find is this Newsweek story-

   15. JLJames Lindsay32:52

       And what does it say?

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:52

       ... about whether he's linked to Nazi Germany. There, this is... I'll get down to here. There's a post. Get this on the screen. That's not him. That's not his dad, so that's a fake photo.

   17. JLJames Lindsay33:02

       No. Right. So, that, that starts there, and then-

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       Okay.

   19. JLJames Lindsay33:05

       ... uh, there is... He was... He worked at this company, Eicher Weiss. This- Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:12

       And then this is where, like, there's like, there's no proof, but it also just says it's, it's not definitive. But there's no actual, like... It say, it says, "Hitler's father, on the other hand, was the managing director of a subsidiary of Zurich-based engineering firm, Eicher Weiss. The history of Eugen's relationship with Nazism in general is complex." (laughs) "But there's no substantive, substantive epson- uh, evidence, uh, of ties to high-ranking German leadership, particularly Hitler." No evidence. "A fact-check published by accredited journ- German journalist DPA used denazification records to uncover that Eugen Swab was a member... Schwab was a member of some National Socialist organizations, but that alone does not prov- uh, pro- prove any relationship to German high command or a belief in Nazi ideology." But wait a minute. But the, the German National Socialist organizations back then essentially were Nazis. Right?

   21. JLJames Lindsay34:08

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:08

       That, I mean, that is what it means.

   23. JLJames Lindsay34:09

       That's by definition Nazi, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:10

       That's what it means. Like, that's what Nazi means, right?

   25. JLJames Lindsay34:13

       That's National Socialist, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       So, this is a weird sort of-

   27. JLJames Lindsay34:17

       Feels a little dodgy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:18

       ... glossy. Yeah. It's dodging, right? While-

   29. JLJames Lindsay34:20

       Well, it says... Yeah, and it says he doesn't have evidence of ties to high-ranking leadership, but that... It says he was a member of organizations tied to the party.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Well-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   So this goes back…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Flemish story, okay. (clears throat) So Belgium's far-right prodigy gets prison term for inciting violence. Whoo!

   2. NANarrator45:06

      So this goes back to 2018, so I'll sort of walk you through what I found.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Okay. Okay.

   4. NANarrator45:11

      Um, this is the sentencing that happened.

   5. JLJames Lindsay45:15

      Of course they showed the memes.

   6. NANarrator45:16

      He got a year, five other people in his group got suspended prison sentences. Their charges included hatred, racism, Holocaust denial, and breaching local gun law, it's the only notice of that I saw.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      (inhales) What is local gun law? Is that, like, depicting guns-

   8. NANarrator45:33

      Yeah, it says-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      ... in a favorable way? Like, what is their law?

   10. JLJames Lindsay45:36

       Yeah.

   11. NANarrator45:36

       It could be that from this and then, um, this-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       'Cause if it's a meme.

   13. JLJames Lindsay45:39

       Gotta love it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       That's wi- isn't that wild? Like, gun law of memes?

   15. JLJames Lindsay45:42

       Well, I love how good you're getting at picking apart their BS, though.

   16. NANarrator45:45

       I'm not sure. It said here, it showed them posting pictures of themselves holding weapons, saying they were totally ready.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Saying they're totally ready. Oh, okay.

   18. JLJames Lindsay45:50

       So someone-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       So posting photos, is it illegal to hold the guns? Like, I wanna know if they're illegally possessing the guns? Is that what they're saying with gun law?

   20. NANarrator46:01

       That's, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Or is it just photographs of the guns?

   22. NANarrator46:03

       This is the report from the 2018 documentary that got made about them.

   23. JLJames Lindsay46:08

       Mm-hmm.

   24. NANarrator46:08

       Some guy got, like, infiltrated and got into their Discord, I think is where they were sharing some of this stuff.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       So these are far-right, allegedly far-right, uh, people in Belgium.

   26. NANarrator46:17

       Yeah, and I'll show you, uh, not showing the audience this, but this shows some of the memes, I guess.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Okay.

   28. NANarrator46:23

       Um.

   29. JLJames Lindsay46:24

       Showing himself as-

   30. NANarrator46:25

       I don't know which has, yeah, which ones are-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:38

   My ide- m- so…

   1. JLJames Lindsay1:00:00

      That's just the headline. I'm trying to find the video of it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      My ide- m- so my ideology can rise from the ashes. (laughs)

   3. JLJames Lindsay1:00:06

      The equity officer.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Well, I mean if-

   5. JLJames Lindsay1:00:08

      It's like, okay, lady.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      ... equity, but if you're-

   7. JLJames Lindsay1:00:10

      But-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      But if you've created a whole industry th- based on equity-

   9. JLJames Lindsay1:00:14

      But also says, "I don't want to work."

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       I don't wanna work.

   11. JLJames Lindsay1:00:17

       This is exactly what you were just saying.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       Yeah, she also says-

   13. JLJames Lindsay1:00:19

       But no-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       ... "I don't wanna work." She doesn't wanna work.

   15. JLJames Lindsay1:00:21

       So we've gotta ask the question, 100% for real though, right? Equity official wants her ideology to rise from the ashes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Right.

   17. JLJames Lindsay1:00:28

       What ideology is it that she wants to r- uh, uh, it's the equity one. Well, what is that?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       Right.

   19. JLJames Lindsay1:00:32

       Do you know the definition of equity?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       What is it?

   21. JLJames Lindsay1:00:34

       It is an administered system in which, uh, in which, wh- what's the word I'm looking for? It's an administered system in which shares are adjusted so that citizens or participants are made equal. So it's not equality of opportunity. Its shares are adjusted so people are made equal. So that's when you and I go to the range-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       So she feels like-

   23. JLJames Lindsay1:00:50

       ... and I shoot the bow and I suck, and you shoot the bow and you put it through the hole. Then Jamie goes over and pulls my arrow out and moves it over three inches and sticks it in, in like-... James tied you.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Right.

   25. JLJames Lindsay1:00:59

       I can't beat you, I have to tie you.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Right.

   27. JLJames Lindsay1:01:01

       Or we pull your arrow out of the bullseye and we move it over and, like, put it, like, right below mine in, like, the third or fourth ring out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       Right.

   29. JLJames Lindsay1:01:07

       Actually, I missed the target. Let's not lie- let's not brag about myself.

   30. NANarrator1:01:09

       From your Twitter account, it's worded slightly differently.

Episode duration: 3:01:43