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Joe Rogan Experience #2120 - That Mexican OT

That Mexican OT is a Billboard Hot 100 charting rapper originally hailing from Bay City, Texas. His new mixtape, "Texas Technician," is available now. www.thatmexicanot.net

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Mar 15, 20242h 21mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:02

    Cold open, meeting OT in person, and the “coyotes/wolves” story callback

    1. NA

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum roll) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

    3. TO

      Telling the story of the pit with the seven wolves?

    4. JR

      Yeah. Well-

    5. TO

      That was-

    6. JR

      ... seven coyotes. Yeah.

    7. TO

      The coyotes.

    8. JR

      I think it was nine. I think it was nine coyotes.

    9. TO

      Damn.

    10. JR

      That's a crazy story.

    11. TO

      I feel like, l- I feel like I'm looking at you on my phone right now.

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. TO

      It's crazy.

    14. JR

      Are we rolling?

    15. NA

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      That's hilarious. Yeah. It's weird when you meet people when you've seen them.

    17. TO

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Me too with you, you know.

    19. TO

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      I've only seen you on YouTube.

    21. TO

      Right, right, right.

    22. JR

      Seen you on my phone. (laughs)

    23. TO

      Right? It's cool, man. It's a pleasure, bro.

    24. JR

      Pleasure to meet you too, man.

    25. TO

      You're really rich, bro. You're like... You're a bad motherfucker, bro. I... And first of all, like, to me, my dad was like my god, you know what I'm saying? So to see him glorify you and stroke your ego, bro, it's just... It's cool.

    26. JR

      Oh, that's cool. I'd like to meet your dad.

    27. TO

      Yeah, you just met him.

    28. JR

      Oh, that was your dad?

    29. TO

      Yeah, the swole Mexican there.

    30. JR

      Oh, no shit.

  2. 1:02 – 2:31

    Family influence, dad’s fitness discipline, and “rapper money” indulgence

    1. TO

      I remember I'd get in trouble, and he would punish me with workouts.

    2. JR

      Oh, really?

    3. TO

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    4. JR

      Oh, wow.

    5. TO

      I've been fit my whole life. I started getting fat when I touched that rapper money.

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. TO

      Yeah. (laughs) It really-

    8. JR

      It's hard, right?

    9. TO

      Yeah, yeah. I'd go out to eat, and I would like... 'Cause I'm already indecisive, so like I'd go out to eat and order like five things and just eat small off each plate.

    10. JR

      Well, that's a problem when you first start getting money, right?

    11. TO

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    12. JR

      You just get indulgent.

    13. TO

      Yeah. I'm chilling now though, you know what I'm saying? But definitely, at first it was like... (inhales)

    14. JR

      When I, uh... When I was, uh, 25, I got a development deal. And, uh, I was spending so much money, my manager called me up. He thought I had a gambling problem.

    15. TO

      (laughs) Oh, shit.

    16. JR

      He was like, "Do you have a gambling problem?" I go, "No, I'm eating steak and lobster every night." (laughs)

    17. TO

      I was just going to say, bro. Like, it goes to food, right? I feel like... 'Cause I ain't bought Joe Red nothing like that. Nothing.

    18. JR

      Nothing?

    19. TO

      Nothing.

    20. JR

      I seen the grill.

    21. TO

      I mean, yeah, but like I had a, I had a grill before I was anybody. And, and then, and then my second grill, Paul Wall gave to me.

    22. JR

      Oh, that's cool.

    23. TO

      Yeah, so-

    24. JR

      Paul Wall's the man.

    25. TO

      Yeah, shout out to Paul Wall again. It was just his birthday a few days ago too.

    26. JR

      Oh, yeah? That dude, he looks like a real estate agent.

    27. TO

      (laughs) With the, with the comb-over?

    28. JR

      Yeah, with his... He's got this crazy grill. (laughs)

    29. TO

      (laughs) Yeah. Nah, he's cool as shit though.

    30. JR

      He's cool as shit.

  3. 2:31 – 3:30

    Paul Wall shout-outs, grills, and how Joe first discovered OT’s music

    1. JR

      I found out about you from Tony Hinchcliffe, my friend Tony Hinchcliffe. He's like, "Yo, you got to listen to this."

    2. TO

      Who-

    3. JR

      And he puts it on. He's a comedian.

    4. TO

      Okay, sick.

    5. JR

      And he put it on in the green room with the mothership. He put, uh, Cowboy Killer.

    6. TO

      Wow.

    7. JR

      I was like, "Oh, shit. This is good, man."

    8. TO

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Now it's in our Spotify rotation.

    10. TO

      Thank you. Thank you so much. Cowboy Killer was a fun one to write. I remember I was in West Columbia, and my buddy Nate was like... He was like, "You just..." He was like, "Just do something different." He was like, "Make a country song." And I just, I just played like a country rap beat. And from there, it just went crazy.

    11. JR

      Yeah, dude. We find ourselves walking around the green room sometimes going, "Lately, I've been fucking." (laughs)

    12. TO

      (laughs) I just did that one at the radio. I mean, at the rodeo. They went stupid.

    13. JR

      Oh, I bet.

    14. TO

      Yeah. That's, that's one, that's one of the ones, like, they go crazy for when I perform there. 'Cause I feel like maybe just 'cause like it's easier to sing along to, to-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TO

      A lot of my stuff, like, they don't even understand what I'm saying. It just sound good.

    17. JR

      Right, right, right.

    18. TO

      You know.

    19. JR

      Yeah. No, that one's a good one to sing along to. It's also-

    20. TO

      Thank you.

    21. JR

      ... it's just fun.

    22. TO

      Yeah, definitely.

    23. JR

      You know? It's a fun song. Like, you're having a good fucking time. (laughs)

  4. 3:30 – 4:45

    “Recess” as a creative philosophy—and gratitude after a chaotic past

    1. TO

      Definitely, man. And, and I'm glad you said that 'cause like that's what I try to give out. Like, this next project I'm working on, I want to call it Recess. And I want to call it Recess 'cause like at this point, bro, like I don't have walls. I don't have boundaries. You know what I'm saying? I don't have a ego that's holding me down to one sound or anything like that. Like, it... This is Recess to me. So like therefore, I can go to the monkey bars and dominate. Then I can go to the jungle gym, and then I can go to the swings and have fun-

    2. JR

      Right. Right.

    3. TO

      ... everywhere. So, it sounds like I'm having fun, you know.

    4. JR

      That's great.

    5. TO

      Yeah. It's a blessing, bro. Like, man, I wouldn't, I would have never thought I'd be here, you know. I thank God every day, bro, because I... Bro, I used to be on acid, laid out in the middle of the street. And I wasn't doing acid the way y'all do acid. Like, I feel like some people do drugs and like they do it to better, to learn. Like, I was strictly abusing this shit. You know what I'm saying?

    6. JR

      Right. (laughs)

    7. TO

      Like, I just... Like, I just wanted to be fucking dick in the dirt high, you know.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TO

      And, um, it's just beautiful, bro. You know, I t- I tell people all the time, y'all don't... Like, y'all... God's gonna have an amazing talk with y'all 'cause like y'all don't even understand. Y'all save somebody's life, and you don't even know it 'cause it's just pure enjoyment to you. But bro, like, God watches that, man. And I promise all my fans, God going to have a good talk with them 'cause they spoil me. You know what I'm saying? They make me-

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  5. 4:45 – 6:18

    Remembering OT’s mother: love, violence, and a complicated family history

    1. TO

      ... feel good, bro. I love my fans, dog. Like, they pay attention to the, the smallest shit ever. You know, I was in California. I did a show in LA, and this girl brought a shirt, and she had a mural of my mama's headstone on it.

    2. JR

      Oh, wow.

    3. TO

      It said, you know, when she passed, uh, her birthday, her name, my name, my little brother's name. And I was like, "Damn." Like, this shit's just cool, bro.

    4. JR

      Wow.

    5. TO

      You know, 'cause my mother gave me my first rap name of V-Man. And, and I've been rapping since I was four years old. You know what I'm saying? So like, it's just, it's just cool. Like, my, my, my mama was a gangster. I was talking to Fatboy a few days ago in Bay City, and Fatboy... You know, he's like, "Oh my God, Virgil. I love you." So, me and Sophie, we was best friends. And, uh, um... He was like, "Your mama taught me how to cook hard." You know, like, just like, just going on and on. Like, Mama would... Like, Mama was walking around Bay City like, "Where my money at?" You know, like, which is savage, which is-

    6. JR

      Wow.

    7. TO

      ... you know, short, like she was a little pocket rocket.

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. TO

      Short with so much power, you know. And she was beautiful, man. Everybody loved her. Um, I feel like it was hard with the family with her. You know what I'm saying? Like, I grew up watching my mother and, and her mother fist fight in the living room, you know.

    10. JR

      Oh, wow.

    11. TO

      Yeah. But, uh, that's, that's why sometimes when people be like, "Oh yeah, this for Sophie," or, "Sophie this," or, "Sophie that." And I'm like, "Man, none of you motherfuckers... Like, all y'all traded her."All y'all turn y'all's back on her. There was some people that were supposed to fight for me in court when my mother died, because they knew. But, they didn't, like, you know what I'm saying, like, they, they, they backed out. You know what I'm saying?

    12. NA

      Fight for you in court? Like how?

  6. 6:18 – 12:37

    Custody after his mom’s death, dad’s prison years, and growing up too fast

    1. TO

      So when my mother passed away, uh, my mama was already planning on giving me to my nanny, which is my dad's mother. And the reason why she was going to give me to her is 'cause he was getting out of prison. And my mo- my mama was f- like, my mama was gangster. Like, sh- like, cooking crack and selling this shit. I'm like, people fucked up in our house, you know what I'm saying? So like, she knew she was already fucking up and probably fixing to go to jail. And, uh, and I was just bad. I was a badass little kid, you know. I was in first grade not coming home till 10:00 at night already, you know.

    2. NA

      Wow.

    3. TO

      And, and, um, she would just be ... I remember her crying, and she'd just be like, "I can't take care of him, Ms. Irma. I don't know what to do with him," all this and that. And, and my, some of my people knew that was on my mother's side, they knew about this. And, and they knew that she wanted to give me to Irma. They knew all this, and she knew, they knew that Sophie didn't want me to be with my mama's side, 'cause it really wasn't too much guidance. She knew that I would almost be fucked over there. Not saying that they don't love me, 'cause they definitely love me. It's just, it, they just weren't heavy hand on, on, on the rules and shit. You know what I'm saying?

    4. NA

      How old were you at the time?

    5. TO

      When my mama passed?

    6. NA

      Yeah.

    7. TO

      I was eight.

    8. NA

      Oh.

    9. TO

      And, uh, but I was already grown. You know what I'm saying?

    10. NA

      (laughs)

    11. TO

      I was already grown. And, um ... so when I hear those people, "Oh yeah, Sophie this and that," I'm like, "Man, fuck you."

    12. NA

      (laughs)

    13. TO

      You know what I'm saying? 'Cause y'all left my mama out there dry, for real. Like, everybody in my family left my mama dry like that. I ... like, my mama was s- she was close with Sabrina, my Tia Sabrina. I know that for sure, but that's 'cause we all lived together. You know what I'm saying? I know, I know my Tia Sabrina and my cousin Homer, too. My cousin Homer was close with my mama. Um, I never seen my mother respect any other woman except for my nanny, and maybe my step-mama. My, my mama used to take me to v- my step-mama. We would meet halfway, and my step-mama would take me to go see my dad in prison. And I used to be rapping through him through a glass on the phone.

    14. NA

      Really?

    15. TO

      Yeah.

    16. NA

      Wow.

    17. TO

      I used to be rapping the radio and he'd be like, "Fuck that radio. I want to hear what you got to say." You know?

    18. NA

      Wow.

    19. TO

      I'd be doing my push-ups, my sit-ups. "Dad, look at me, check me out."

    20. NA

      (laughs)

    21. TO

      I'd hit jumping jacks, all this and that. I'd, I'd knuckle him and he- we would twist it. He would say, "Lock it up." He'd give me a dap, and he'd say, "Lock it up," you know.

    22. NA

      Wow.

    23. TO

      And, um, I was just telling Fee, every time I go visit him, he would always ask for a Sprite and some Kit Kats. I, I used to go to get the coins and take them to the guards. I'd be like, "Man, I g- that's all I got, but I- let me take my daddy home." You know? And, uh, he did a long time. He did about six years in there. Um, he learned a lot. He tell me all the time that prison taught him how to be a, a political person, you know, and a, a politician. And, um ...

    24. NA

      How so?

    25. TO

      You know, 'cause like, it's, you can't ... every- you, you have, you have to follow other rules in there now. Like, let's say, like, you got like ... let's say me and you got problems. I got to go to whoever your leader is or somebody, what's going on in your situation and be like, "Say bro," I can't just go over there 'cause I'm going to start like, a race war or some shit. You know what I'm saying?

    26. NA

      Right.

    27. TO

      Like every- everything has a reaction, you know. And you just, you just got to have permission from your higherers. I don't know too much about it, you know what I'm saying, 'cause I ain't never been to prison and things like that. But you know what I'm saying, I know a little bit from just being around.

    28. NA

      That's a crazy statement. When you're eight year old, you were grown.

    29. TO

      Yeah, I was already grown. Like, I looked at pictures. I seen a, I seen a picture of me holding this basketball when I was a kid, and I remember holding this basketball. It glow in the dark. And I remember like, playing with it. I remember being with it, holding it, and like, just seeing it around the house. And I look at a picture of myself holding it and I was like, "Damn." Like, I look like I was a child, not even a kid, like a baby still. And I was already feeling ... like, I was already looking at my teachers like, "Bitch, I will f- I don't know what fucking is, but I will fuck you."

    30. NA

      (laughs)

  7. 12:37 – 17:25

    Early rap training: kitchen performances, notebooks in school, and being pushed into music

    1. TO

      My mama ... So boys would come around, and they'd be like, you know what I'm saying? My mama would always tell them, "Sophie, I'm going to be a, my son going to be a rapper." You know, they'd be, "Sophie, all right, Sophie." You know what I'm saying? "No, my son going to be a rapper." I was failing every class in the first grade, and Matia Rosario told me this story. Matia Rosario was ... She's not my tia, but, like, we were very close, so like they're family.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. TO

      You know what I'm saying? That type of shit. And, um, she was actually in the car with my mother when she passed, and she, you know, they were tight, man. And, uh, she told me that I was failing every class in the first grade, and her, all ... Her and her friends were like, "Sophie, he failing in the first grade." Like, "What the fuck going on? He spelling stop," you know? And she was like, "Fuck that school, my son going to be a rapper." Uh, my dad would wake me up before school at, like, 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning when I was in the seventh grade, and, uh, he'd wake me up. He'd be like, "Son, you ready to whoop ass?" I'd be like, "Man, I got to get ready for school." And he's like, "Fuck school. You ready to get down there and whoop ass?" And he wasn't saying fuck school because, like, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause he always pressed, like, being good and getting knowledge, you know what I'm saying? But, like, he knew I didn't give a fuck. He knew I was just saying that, so he's like, in his mind, he's like, "Motherfucker, you going to get up and come down here and rap." You know? 'Cause he would, he would party every night, and he used to have the shit that people wanted, and women wanted to be with him, and men wanted to be him. So every night after they get done partying, Monday through Sunday, he would always bring the party back home. And he would have me, a house full of women, women sitting on the s- the fucking stairs lined up, one sitting on the refrigerator. We had two, I had a Mastiff, and he was mixed with Presa Canario. I think I said that right. His name was Bronson, like Charles Bronson. He was brindle, and his eyes were orange, lit up orange.

    4. JR

      Oh.

    5. TO

      Oh, man, just a beast. And, um, I could see the house. And we were living in a duplex, so then it looked like it's even more crowded, you know? And, uh, my dad would play, like, a Geto Boys beat, which is like five minutes fucking long if you don't know.

    6. JR

      Okay.

    7. TO

      So I'm about two or three minutes in, and he's like, "What the fuck you slowing down for? The beat ain't over." And I, I had to jump back on, and I'd eat these grown-ass men alive.

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. TO

      Alive.

    10. JR

      And how were you writing your raps back then? Were you writing them in your head, or were you writing them down?

    11. TO

      Nah, everything was on a pad.

    12. JR

      Yeah?

    13. TO

      I had everything in notebooks. I was supposed to be taking notes in school, and I'm writing, you know?

    14. JR

      So-

    15. TO

      I didn't, I didn't do anything else except for write, draw, or read.

    16. JR

      So from the beginning, that's what you wanted?

    17. TO

      It's not, it's not what I wanted. It's what my mama wanted.

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. TO

      I don't, I don't even think I still know what I want to this day.

    20. JR

      Really?

    21. TO

      I think what I ... I just want to be okay. I don't, I don't even give a fuck about this money, the fame. I don't give a fuck about ... I love the music, 'cause I, I mean, I'm b- I'm blessed and I'm grateful for it. I cherish it, 'cause like, uh, it's my living and I'm comfortable off of it. This is what my mama wanted. You know what I'm saying?

    22. JR

      So to this day, you're not sure that that's what you wanted?

    23. TO

      I don't think it is. I think, I think what I want is just love. I missed out on a lot of love. I want a family. I just want to be okay.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. TO

      You know what I'm saying? I just want a simple life.

    26. JR

      I think that happens to a lot of people when they get pushed into something at a really young age. You hear that with a lot of athletes.

    27. TO

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      A lot of young fighters, a lot of young football players. They're just like, "I never knew what I wanted to do.They, they told me what I wanted to do."

    29. TO

      (laughs) Right.

    30. JR

      You know? And then here I am, successful. Like, "I guess it's all right, but am I even me?"

  8. 17:25 – 21:23

    Career momentum: early videos, “La Muerte,” and realizing the difference between rapping vs. making songs

    1. JR

      When did things really start popping for you?

    2. TO

      Hmm. I would definite- ... I, I don't know, 'cause I feel like every time I dropped something, uh, I always had good motion. Like, I dropped a music video called Plan C in, like, 2018, 2019, and it, it ... Which is a lot, but it's not a lot. And it hit, like, 30K and got stuck. Now it's at, like, 40K. It might be at more now. Last ... Uh, I ain't checked in a while. But it was, like, at 40K and got stuck. Which is, like I said, a lot, but not a lot. But I'm from the country. And, like, I'm just, I'm just, uh, a kid in the country. It's like the hood. I didn't ... There wasn't no promo, no nothing. Like, I just made a video, and I'm doing music 'cause my uncle's got a studio in the house. So of course I'm going to be doing music. I'm fucked up on drugs. I don't want no job. I don't want to be around nobody. I'm finna do this. And then one day, my cousin, he had a homeboy and he heard the song. He was like, "Bro, I want to jump on it. Let me jump on it." So I was like, "Fuck it. You know, jump on it." And then, uh, he was like, "Man, I got a homeboy. I got a buddy, and he be shooting videos." I was like, "Shit."Fuck it. What else is there to do? You know what I'm saying? And we shot the video. We're all doing this just for the fun of it, like there's nothing else to do, and just dropped it, and it, and it went good. Then I dropped another song called La Muerte, maybe about two years after that. And when I, when I dropped La Muerte, that's when I was like, all right. I think it was like 2021, maybe 2020, that's when I was like, "Yeah, like, I could do something with this." 'Cause I'm not rapping no more. I'm actually making songs. There's a difference between r- rapping and making music. And I think when I wrote La Muerte, that's when I was like, "Yeah, I think I could do it."

    3. JR

      Wow.

    4. TO

      Yeah. So then-

    5. JR

      In Q2? (laughs)

    6. TO

      Yeah, exactly. La Muerte. That's right there, that's my grandma house and my grandpa house right in the back. That's outta country.

    7. JR

      Oh. And how old were you in this?

    8. TO

      (inhales deeply) When, when did it say that video dropped?

    9. NA

      Three years ago.

    10. TO

      Oh, okay. No, I reposted it on there.

    11. NA

      Yeah.

    12. TO

      So it's, it's f- about five years ago. I was maybe like 20 right there. 20 sound right?

    13. JR

      Wow. So you've... Your whole life you've been on this path.

    14. TO

      Yeah, correct. And you wanna know what's crazy? Some, uh, some people that I talked to, like, back then in the country and they like, "Bro," like, "I've always looked at you as a rapper." Even kids in school, like people at school that I talked to, like, "Man, like you were just always had a rapper..." Like, "I've always just looked at you as a rapper." You know what I'm saying? Even the kids at school like, "Oh yeah, that's OT. He the rapper." You know, like, bro, I was in-

    15. JR

      Wow.

    16. TO

      I was in Ms. Terry's class in eighth grade and everybody's getting certificates in school and, you know, my buddy Bran, he's like, "Most likely to go in the UFC." "Most likely to wear a red button up shirt." "Most likely..." And everybody's getting this stuff and mines was most likely to be a rapper. So like every-

    17. JR

      Wow.

    18. TO

      Everything was just like surrounded by it, you know what I'm saying?

    19. JR

      They were correct.

    20. TO

      Yeah. I remember being at school rapping at lunch, having the teachers and the, and the kids surrounding me.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. TO

      The bell's ringing, we supposed to go to the next class and we still going headstrong.

    23. JR

      Wow.

    24. TO

      You know? Like I've, I've always just had a crowd... I've always been the center of attention. I remember my nanny would take me to Palais Royal to go school shopping when I was like eighth grade. I mean, eight years old, nine years old, 10 years old. And I'm rapping to the people in Palais Royal.

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. TO

      You know? Um, there was a car show. My mother had just passed. I was probably like nine years old. And my cousin Daniel took me to this car show, Slim Thug, Z-Ro, and Paul Wall, and them were on stage performing. And while they're on stage performing, you know, the car show's going over here. And then they got a bunch of vendors in their pop-ups. And this one dude has a microphone at his pop-up and he's trying to sell shit. "Oh, this and that. Yeah. Woo woo." And I, I ended up grabbing his mic and I start rapping to Z-Ro and them performing live on stage. I don't even think they know this story. I've never even told them that shit. And, um, but yeah, bro, I was rapping to Paul Wall, Slim Thug and Z-Ro on stage live.

    27. JR

      Wow.

    28. TO

      While I was... I was probably like nine years old.

    29. JR

      Wow.

    30. TO

      You know? All the... Uh, I'm seeing all these women, you know what I'm saying? Wearing booty shorts and, and these crop tops. And I'm seeing all these dudes and they just look clean with the Js. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, "Damn." Like, "I'm in here." (laughs) You know what I'm saying?

  9. 21:23 – 23:45

    Musical DNA: rap, country, rock, and why OT can jump genres without sounding forced

    1. JR

      What were your first influences musically?

    2. TO

      D- Definitely whatever my mama was jamming. She was jamming that Ashanti and Ja Rule. Um, I can't... My dad was jamming everything. My dad was jamming, like, fucking Offspring's fucking tour. He was jamming Three Day Grace, fucking all that shit. You know what I'm saying?

    3. JR

      Oh, just mix it up.

    4. TO

      Yeah. So like I... And then, and then, uh, my mama's side of the family, they all gangsters and, like, cholas so it was like gangster rap music and then, like, some, like, Latino music. And then my mama... My dad's side of the family, they're all cowboys. So I'm jamming country and shit like that, you know?

    5. JR

      Wow.

    6. TO

      Then I go with my dad and he's jamming rock and, and all this extra shit. So, like, I just got to... And then when I... Once I got older and started discovering music on my own, you know what I'm saying, I've already liked rock and rap to, to Latino music, to country. So like, how farther can I go with this? And I... And now my, my taste in music is just all... I'll jam music I don't even know the language to, but if it... If I feel it, I feel it.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TO

      I feel it. I think that's why it's easy for me to just jump in any genre and dominate 'cause I can feel it and put me in it.

    9. JR

      Right. You don't have a restriction in your head of what you can do.

    10. TO

      Correct.

    11. JR

      Yeah. Well that's Cowboy Killer.

    12. TO

      Correct.

    13. JR

      And, and that's... I think that's one of the reasons why it resonated with so many people 'cause it's just... It's fun and it's like, "What is this guy doing here, man?" This is crazy.

    14. TO

      But it don't sound forced either.

    15. JR

      It also doesn't sound like anybody else. Like, you don't sound like anybody else. Like-

    16. TO

      What do you mean to that?

    17. JR

      ... you never hear... People... I play that and people go, "Who the fuck is that?"

    18. TO

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Like, like, they get interested, like-

    20. TO

      Correct.

    21. JR

      "...this is different."

    22. TO

      Thank you.

    23. JR

      It's beautiful when something comes along that just resonates like that. That, like, you could... You know, there's so many influences out there.

    24. TO

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      So when someone comes along and you're like, "Wow, that's a-"

    26. TO

      St-

    27. JR

      "...that's a different vibe."

    28. TO

      Stevie was definitely my influences for, like, music like Cowboy Killer.

    29. JR

      Yeah?

    30. TO

      Yes. Uh, Stevie Ray Vaughan. He was a white boy. After every show he'd be like, " (Spanish) ," and walk off.

  10. 23:45 – 29:37

    Austin landmarks, “buildings have memory,” and a detour into ghosts and the nature of evil

    1. JR

      It was... At, at one point in time, it was the Alamo Dr... It's the Ritz Theater on Sixth Street.

    2. TO

      Oh, no shit.

    3. JR

      So at one point in time was the Alamo Drafthouse. There, there is. That's the photo we have.

    4. TO

      Wow. Look at them.

    5. JR

      It was, uh, a rock and roll club. It was a punk rock club. It was, uh, a nudie movie theater. It was a pool hall.

    6. TO

      Wow.

    7. JR

      It was like-

    8. TO

      So it's already been known for just being the spot.

    9. JR

      Yeah. That's it right there.

    10. TO

      Wow.

    11. JR

      So it was all... Always a cool spot.

    12. TO

      That's sick.

    13. JR

      And now it's my comedy club.

    14. TO

      That's sick.

    15. JR

      But it's just the, the, the... There's certain old places where you walk in them and you, like, you could feel the memories in the walls. Like, they have... I think buildings have memory. I real... I think that's why people don't want to buy a house-

    16. TO

      Images.

    17. JR

      ... where someone was murdered in.

    18. NA

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... I think-

    20. TO

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... buildings have, I think, I think things have memory.

    22. TO

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      I really do.

    24. TO

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      There's a, there's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake. I f- I forget what his discipline is. I think he's an evolutionary biologist or something like that. I forget what he does. But anyway, his... He's got this theory about memory, and that we have this idea that we are the only things that have memory. But he thinks that everything has memory, that all things around you-

    26. TO

      And you agree?

    27. JR

      Yeah. Uh, it's a psychology, psychology researcher. He prefers the concept of morphic resonance, a conjecture that lacks mainstream acce- he's a, he's, he gets criticized as being kind of a loon, but he's got some really fucking interesting ideas, and he's a brilliant guy. He just thinks outside the box. And one of the things he thinks is that everything has some sort of a memory to it. That's not a, he's not the only one that thinks that, too.

    28. TO

      I want to understand him. Like, this, like, this table is gonna ...

    29. JR

      Like, there's not, it can't tell you things-

    30. TO

      Of course.

  11. 29:37 – 42:35

    Movies, horror thresholds, and why modern comedy feels harder to make

    1. TO

      I do wanna tell you this though before I forget. The f- the wolves you got out there, have you ever seen the movie Creep?

    2. JR

      Creep?

    3. TO

      It's, yeah. It's, it's, it's like it's a fucking scary ass movie.

    4. JR

      When was that movie from? How long ago?

    5. TO

      Uh, I don't know. Maybe like 2017, 2016 maybe?

    6. JR

      I don't, I don't think I saw it.

    7. TO

      Yeah, s- I would highly advise it.

    8. JR

      Yeah?

    9. TO

      Yeah, it reminds me of Peach Fuzz.

    10. JR

      Peach Fuzz?

    11. TO

      You just gotta watch it. I wouldn't even wanna ruin it for you. You know, I don't know if you like movies or not but bro, it's an amazing movie.

    12. JR

      That wolf out there though, that's the, from The American Werewolf in London.

    13. TO

      Oh, okay, sure.

    14. JR

      Yeah. You ever see that movie?

    15. TO

      No, I haven't.

    16. JR

      Oh, you got to... (laughs) Oh, look at this thing.

    17. TO

      Yes, Peach Fuzz! Holy fuck.

    18. JR

      Oh, that's hilarious.

    19. TO

      Bro, please watch it.

    20. JR

      Oh, so that guy's the villain? So he's a bad guy with a wolf mask on?

    21. TO

      He's not in the... Yeah, I mean yeah, but you just gotta watch it.

    22. JR

      Okay.

    23. TO

      He's throwed off, man.

    24. JR

      He drives around like that? (laughs)

    25. TO

      (laughs) You gotta watch it, bro.

    26. JR

      Okay. Oh, they're doing a Creep 2?

    27. NA

      Yeah, or they did.

    28. JR

      They did a Creep 2?

    29. TO

      Yeah, they did do a Creep 2.

    30. NA

      Creep 1 was 2014, Creep 2, 2017.

  12. 42:35 – 49:31

    Riots, protests, “war mode,” and choosing love over anger

    1. JR

      I didn't ... I never felt that until the George Floyd riots.

    2. TO

      Really?

    3. JR

      When the George Flo- ... Yeah, the George Floyd riots got ... Here's the thing about riots. This is my feeling.

    4. TO

      Okay.

    5. JR

      I support your right to protest.

    6. TO

      Correct.

    7. JR

      But I'm not going to one of those.

    8. TO

      Correct.

    9. JR

      You know why? 'Cause I think protests are a lot like war. I think there's a, a mode inside the human brain. Let me explain to you. Y- you ever catch a fish? You know when you catch a fish, the moment that fish is on the line, your whole body gets excited, like-

    10. TO

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... "Oh, shit."

    12. TO

      Yeah, yeah.

    13. JR

      "Oh, shit." That is an ancient thing that is in us because it used to be that was survival.

    14. TO

      Survival mode.

    15. JR

      If you caught that fish, your family was gonna have food.

    16. TO

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      That's what, that's why you get so excited.

    18. TO

      Wow.

    19. JR

      I think when people are on the ground marching, and they're all together and they're all chanting, that brings war.

    20. TO

      Yeah. (laughs) Oh, shit. It does.

    21. JR

      It bring, it excites that feeling-

    22. TO

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... just the way catching a fish excites that feeling.

    24. TO

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      I think it excites that feeling of war.

    26. TO

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And when you, you, when you like, "No more Trump."

    28. TO

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      "No more Tr-" whatever the fuck it is.

    30. TO

      Next thing you know, it's fucking molotovs.

  13. 49:31 – 1:07:10

    Hip-hop craftsmanship: Nas as the writing GOAT, Geto Boys history, and Texas pride (Z-Ro debate)

    1. JR

      He's the best writer. He's the-

    2. TO

      You think so?

    3. JR

      He's the best writer. He's the best writer. H- he's like ... His lyrics are so goddamn good. He's the GOAT.

    4. TO

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      But you know who's super underrated and people don't give him his props is Willie D from the Geto Boys. Willie D.

    6. TO

      Willie D. And he was knocking motherfuckers out.

    7. JR

      Knocking motherfuckers out.

    8. TO

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      He's a legit boxer.

    10. TO

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Willie D's a real boxer.

    12. TO

      Yeah. Yeah.

    13. JR

      He showed me video of one of his fights, and we were watching on his phone. I was like, "Dude-"

    14. TO

      Bad motherfucker. Yeah.

    15. JR

      I'm like, "This is good."

    16. TO

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      "Like, you got skills." Like, if you told me this was like a middle weight contender who's c- coming up, I'd be like, "Oh, that guy's good."

    18. TO

      No shit.

    19. JR

      "He's good." Billy ... (blows raspberry) Willie can knock people the fuck out.

    20. TO

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      But Willie wrote, uh, Fuck a War in 45 minutes. You ever heard Fuck a War?

    22. TO

      Mm-mm.

    23. JR

      All right. Listen. Sorry, YouTube. We're gonna have to edit th- ... We ... I need to play this for 'em.

    24. TO

      Let's do it.

    25. JR

      Well, YouTube will ... we'll cut this out. Can we cut this out?

    26. NA

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And we'll come back. We'll come back for, for the Spotify people. You could ... Whatever.

    28. TO

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      We'll figure it out. Uh, but we'll cut this out. Listen to this.

    30. NA

      (hip hop music) Fuck a war.

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