Joe Rogan Experience #2120 - That Mexican OT

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That Mexican OT 0:12 Telling the story of the pit with the seven wolves?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yeah. Well-

That Mexican OT 0:15 That was-

Joe Rogan 0:15 ... seven coyotes. Yeah.

That Mexican OT 0:17 The coyotes.

Joe Rogan 0:17 I think it was nine. I think it was nine coyotes.

That Mexican OT 0:19 Damn.

Joe Rogan 0:19 That's a crazy story.

That Mexican OT 0:20 I feel like, l- I feel like I'm looking at you on my phone right now.

Joe Rogan 0:23 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 0:23 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Are we rolling?

Narrator 0:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:26 That's hilarious. Yeah. It's weird when you meet people when you've seen them.

That Mexican OT 0:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Me too with you, you know.

That Mexican OT 0:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:31 I've only seen you on YouTube.

That Mexican OT 0:32 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Seen you on my phone. (laughs)

That Mexican OT 0:34 Right? It's cool, man. It's a pleasure, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Pleasure to meet you too, man.

That Mexican OT 0:37 You're really rich, bro. You're like... You're a bad motherfucker, bro. I... And first of all, like, to me, my dad was like my god, you know what I'm saying? So to see him glorify you and stroke your ego, bro, it's just... It's cool.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Oh, that's cool. I'd like to meet your dad.

That Mexican OT 0:49 Yeah, you just met him.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Oh, that was your dad?

That Mexican OT 0:51 Yeah, the swole Mexican there.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Oh, no shit.

That Mexican OT 0:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:53 Oh, your dad's cool as fuck.

That Mexican OT 0:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Beautiful.

That Mexican OT 0:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:59 Your dad looks good, man.

That Mexican OT 1:00 (laughs) Yeah, my whole life he's been like that.

Joe Rogan 1:02 He looks good.

That Mexican OT 1:02 I remember I'd get in trouble, and he would punish me with workouts.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Oh, really?

That Mexican OT 1:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06 Oh, wow.

That Mexican OT 1:07 I've been fit my whole life. I started getting fat when I touched that rapper money.

Joe Rogan 1:10 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 1:10 Yeah. (laughs) It really-

Joe Rogan 1:12 It's hard, right?

That Mexican OT 1:13 Yeah, yeah. I'd go out to eat, and I would like... 'Cause I'm already indecisive, so like I'd go out to eat and order like five things and just eat small off each plate.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Well, that's a problem when you first start getting money, right?

That Mexican OT 1:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23 You just get indulgent.

That Mexican OT 1:24 Yeah. I'm chilling now though, you know what I'm saying? But definitely, at first it was like... (inhales)

Joe Rogan 1:29 When I, uh... When I was, uh, 25, I got a development deal. And, uh, I was spending so much money, my manager called me up. He thought I had a gambling problem.

That Mexican OT 1:37 (laughs) Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 1:38 He was like, "Do you have a gambling problem?" I go, "No, I'm eating steak and lobster every night." (laughs)

That Mexican OT 1:41 I was just going to say, bro. Like, it goes to food, right? I feel like... 'Cause I ain't bought Joe Red nothing like that. Nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Nothing?

That Mexican OT 1:48 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:48 I seen the grill.

That Mexican OT 1:49 I mean, yeah, but like I had a, I had a grill before I was anybody. And, and then, and then my second grill, Paul Wall gave to me.

Joe Rogan 1:55 Oh, that's cool.

That Mexican OT 1:56 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 1:57 Paul Wall's the man.

That Mexican OT 1:58 Yeah, shout out to Paul Wall again. It was just his birthday a few days ago too.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Oh, yeah? That dude, he looks like a real estate agent.

That Mexican OT 2:05 (laughs) With the, with the comb-over?

Joe Rogan 2:06 Yeah, with his... He's got this crazy grill. (laughs)

That Mexican OT 2:09 (laughs) Yeah. Nah, he's cool as shit though.

Joe Rogan 2:11 He's cool as shit.

That Mexican OT 2:12 He's a nice person. I was smoking with him, and I handed him a joint. And he was like, "Thank you." I was like, "What are you telling me thank you for? Your next rotation." You know? But he's just a sweet dude, you know.

Joe Rogan 2:19 That's nice. Yeah.

That Mexican OT 2:20 He's cool.

Joe Rogan 2:21 I've seen him in interviews. I'd love to talk to that dude. I've seen him in interviews. He always seems cool as fuck.

That Mexican OT 2:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:25 Just real happy.

That Mexican OT 2:26 I mean, if you're down, I'd, I'd love to connect y'all.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Yeah, let's do it. Yeah.

That Mexican OT 2:29 For sure.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Let's do it.

That Mexican OT 2:30 Shout out Paul, man.

Joe Rogan 2:31 I found out about you from Tony Hinchcliffe, my friend Tony Hinchcliffe. He's like, "Yo, you got to listen to this."

That Mexican OT 2:35 Who-

Joe Rogan 2:35 And he puts it on. He's a comedian.

That Mexican OT 2:37 Okay, sick.

Joe Rogan 2:37 And he put it on in the green room with the mothership. He put, uh, Cowboy Killer.

That Mexican OT 2:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:41 I was like, "Oh, shit. This is good, man."

That Mexican OT 2:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Now it's in our Spotify rotation.

That Mexican OT 2:46 Thank you. Thank you so much. Cowboy Killer was a fun one to write. I remember I was in West Columbia, and my buddy Nate was like... He was like, "You just..." He was like, "Just do something different." He was like, "Make a country song." And I just, I just played like a country rap beat. And from there, it just went crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:00 Yeah, dude. We find ourselves walking around the green room sometimes going, "Lately, I've been fucking." (laughs)

That Mexican OT 3:06 (laughs) I just did that one at the radio. I mean, at the rodeo. They went stupid.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Oh, I bet.

That Mexican OT 3:10 Yeah. That's, that's one, that's one of the ones, like, they go crazy for when I perform there. 'Cause I feel like maybe just 'cause like it's easier to sing along to, to-

Joe Rogan 3:17 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 3:17 A lot of my stuff, like, they don't even understand what I'm saying. It just sound good.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Right, right, right.

That Mexican OT 3:21 You know.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Yeah. No, that one's a good one to sing along to. It's also-

That Mexican OT 3:25 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 3:25 ... it's just fun.

That Mexican OT 3:26 Yeah, definitely.

Joe Rogan 3:27 You know? It's a fun song. Like, you're having a good fucking time. (laughs)

That Mexican OT 3:30 Definitely, man. And, and I'm glad you said that 'cause like that's what I try to give out. Like, this next project I'm working on, I want to call it Recess. And I want to call it Recess 'cause like at this point, bro, like I don't have walls. I don't have boundaries. You know what I'm saying? I don't have a ego that's holding me down to one sound or anything like that. Like, it... This is Recess to me. So like therefore, I can go to the monkey bars and dominate. Then I can go to the jungle gym, and then I can go to the swings and have fun-

Joe Rogan 3:55 Right. Right.

That Mexican OT 3:55 ... everywhere. So, it sounds like I'm having fun, you know.

Joe Rogan 3:58 That's great.

That Mexican OT 3:59 Yeah. It's a blessing, bro. Like, man, I wouldn't, I would have never thought I'd be here, you know. I thank God every day, bro, because I... Bro, I used to be on acid, laid out in the middle of the street. And I wasn't doing acid the way y'all do acid. Like, I feel like some people do drugs and like they do it to better, to learn. Like, I was strictly abusing this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 4:16 Right. (laughs)

That Mexican OT 4:16 Like, I just... Like, I just wanted to be fucking dick in the dirt high, you know.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Right.

That Mexican OT 4:21 And, um, it's just beautiful, bro. You know, I t- I tell people all the time, y'all don't... Like, y'all... God's gonna have an amazing talk with y'all 'cause like y'all don't even understand. Y'all save somebody's life, and you don't even know it 'cause it's just pure enjoyment to you. But bro, like, God watches that, man. And I promise all my fans, God going to have a good talk with them 'cause they spoil me. You know what I'm saying? They make me-

Joe Rogan 4:45 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 4:45 ... feel good, bro. I love my fans, dog. Like, they pay attention to the, the smallest shit ever. You know, I was in California. I did a show in LA, and this girl brought a shirt, and she had a mural of my mama's headstone on it.

Joe Rogan 4:56 Oh, wow.

That Mexican OT 4:57 It said, you know, when she passed, uh, her birthday, her name, my name, my little brother's name. And I was like, "Damn." Like, this shit's just cool, bro.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Wow.

That Mexican OT 5:06 You know, 'cause my mother gave me my first rap name of V-Man. And, and I've been rapping since I was four years old. You know what I'm saying? So like, it's just, it's just cool. Like, my, my, my mama was a gangster. I was talking to Fatboy a few days ago in Bay City, and Fatboy... You know, he's like, "Oh my God, Virgil. I love you." So, me and Sophie, we was best friends. And, uh, um... He was like, "Your mama taught me how to cook hard." You know, like, just like, just going on and on. Like, Mama would... Like, Mama was walking around Bay City like, "Where my money at?" You know, like, which is savage, which is-

Joe Rogan 5:38 Wow.

That Mexican OT 5:38 ... you know, short, like she was a little pocket rocket.

Joe Rogan 5:40 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 5:41 Short with so much power, you know. And she was beautiful, man. Everybody loved her. Um, I feel like it was hard with the family with her. You know what I'm saying? Like, I grew up watching my mother and, and her mother fist fight in the living room, you know.

Joe Rogan 5:55 Oh, wow.

That Mexican OT 5:55 Yeah. But, uh, that's, that's why sometimes when people be like, "Oh yeah, this for Sophie," or, "Sophie this," or, "Sophie that." And I'm like, "Man, none of you motherfuckers... Like, all y'all traded her."All y'all turn y'all's back on her. There was some people that were supposed to fight for me in court when my mother died, because they knew. But, they didn't, like, you know what I'm saying, like, they, they, they backed out. You know what I'm saying?

Narrator 6:17 Fight for you in court? Like how?

That Mexican OT 6:18 So when my mother passed away, uh, my mama was already planning on giving me to my nanny, which is my dad's mother. And the reason why she was going to give me to her is 'cause he was getting out of prison. And my mo- my mama was f- like, my mama was gangster. Like, sh- like, cooking crack and selling this shit. I'm like, people fucked up in our house, you know what I'm saying? So like, she knew she was already fucking up and probably fixing to go to jail. And, uh, and I was just bad. I was a badass little kid, you know. I was in first grade not coming home till 10:00 at night already, you know.

Narrator 6:46 Wow.

That Mexican OT 6:46 And, and, um, she would just be ... I remember her crying, and she'd just be like, "I can't take care of him, Ms. Irma. I don't know what to do with him," all this and that. And, and my, some of my people knew that was on my mother's side, they knew about this. And, and they knew that she wanted to give me to Irma. They knew all this, and she knew, they knew that Sophie didn't want me to be with my mama's side, 'cause it really wasn't too much guidance. She knew that I would almost be fucked over there. Not saying that they don't love me, 'cause they definitely love me. It's just, it, they just weren't heavy hand on, on, on the rules and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Narrator 7:20 How old were you at the time?

That Mexican OT 7:21 When my mama passed?

Narrator 7:22 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 7:23 I was eight.

Narrator 7:24 Oh.

That Mexican OT 7:24 And, uh, but I was already grown. You know what I'm saying?

Narrator 7:27 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 7:27 I was already grown. And, um ... so when I hear those people, "Oh yeah, Sophie this and that," I'm like, "Man, fuck you."

Narrator 7:36 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 7:36 You know what I'm saying? 'Cause y'all left my mama out there dry, for real. Like, everybody in my family left my mama dry like that. I ... like, my mama was s- she was close with Sabrina, my Tia Sabrina. I know that for sure, but that's 'cause we all lived together. You know what I'm saying? I know, I know my Tia Sabrina and my cousin Homer, too. My cousin Homer was close with my mama. Um, I never seen my mother respect any other woman except for my nanny, and maybe my step-mama. My, my mama used to take me to v- my step-mama. We would meet halfway, and my step-mama would take me to go see my dad in prison. And I used to be rapping through him through a glass on the phone.

Narrator 8:13 Really?

That Mexican OT 8:14 Yeah.

Narrator 8:14 Wow.

That Mexican OT 8:14 I used to be rapping the radio and he'd be like, "Fuck that radio. I want to hear what you got to say." You know?

Narrator 8:19 Wow.

That Mexican OT 8:19 I'd be doing my push-ups, my sit-ups. "Dad, look at me, check me out."

Narrator 8:22 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 8:22 I'd hit jumping jacks, all this and that. I'd, I'd knuckle him and he- we would twist it. He would say, "Lock it up." He'd give me a dap, and he'd say, "Lock it up," you know.

Narrator 8:30 Wow.

That Mexican OT 8:30 And, um, I was just telling Fee, every time I go visit him, he would always ask for a Sprite and some Kit Kats. I, I used to go to get the coins and take them to the guards. I'd be like, "Man, I g- that's all I got, but I- let me take my daddy home." You know? And, uh, he did a long time. He did about six years in there. Um, he learned a lot. He tell me all the time that prison taught him how to be a, a political person, you know, and a, a politician. And, um ...

Narrator 8:59 How so?

That Mexican OT 9:00 You know, 'cause like, it's, you can't ... every- you, you have, you have to follow other rules in there now. Like, let's say, like, you got like ... let's say me and you got problems. I got to go to whoever your leader is or somebody, what's going on in your situation and be like, "Say bro," I can't just go over there 'cause I'm going to start like, a race war or some shit. You know what I'm saying?

Narrator 9:17 Right.

That Mexican OT 9:17 Like every- everything has a reaction, you know. And you just, you just got to have permission from your higherers. I don't know too much about it, you know what I'm saying, 'cause I ain't never been to prison and things like that. But you know what I'm saying, I know a little bit from just being around.

Narrator 9:30 That's a crazy statement. When you're eight year old, you were grown.

That Mexican OT 9:33 Yeah, I was already grown. Like, I looked at pictures. I seen a, I seen a picture of me holding this basketball when I was a kid, and I remember holding this basketball. It glow in the dark. And I remember like, playing with it. I remember being with it, holding it, and like, just seeing it around the house. And I look at a picture of myself holding it and I was like, "Damn." Like, I look like I was a child, not even a kid, like a baby still. And I was already feeling ... like, I was already looking at my teachers like, "Bitch, I will f- I don't know what fucking is, but I will fuck you."

Narrator 10:03 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 10:03 You know what I'm saying?

Narrator 10:04 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 10:04 For real. Like, I was already grown.

Narrator 10:06 You grew up fast.

That Mexican OT 10:06 I was already watching like, Hustle & Flow: Scarface, you know.

Narrator 10:10 Really?

That Mexican OT 10:10 'Cause my, my, my parents were still kids.

Narrator 10:12 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 10:13 You know what I'm saying?

Narrator 10:13 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 10:13 So like, I just got to be a kid with them.

Narrator 10:16 How old was your mom when you were born?

That Mexican OT 10:18 I think she was like 18.

Narrator 10:19 Wow.

That Mexican OT 10:20 Yeah.

Narrator 10:20 Yeah. That's what happens.

That Mexican OT 10:22 Yup, yup, yup.

Narrator 10:23 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 10:23 I remember watching Scarface all the time with my mama, and every single time before she died, she'd be like, "Tony, turn around. Tony." Like this is going to change something, but yeah, she ... I remember that was a movie that made her cry.

Narrator 10:34 Really?

That Mexican OT 10:34 Yeah.

Narrator 10:35 Wow. She was rooting for Scarface. (laughs)

That Mexican OT 10:36 Yeah. She cried when Tony died. She was fucked up about that shit.

Narrator 10:40 That's hilarious.

That Mexican OT 10:41 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 10:42 "She cried when Tony died."

That Mexican OT 10:43 I remember, uh, I remember it was me, SB, Quincy, and, uh, I feel like Romeo was ... Romeo was definitely there 'cause he was living with us. And, um, Keilan might've been alive. Yeah, he was 'cause Joseph was definitely alive. These are all my cousins. Like, I never needed friends 'cause I always had siblings.

Narrator 11:01 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 11:02 And I was the oldest of all of them. So like, man, I'm making a pallet. I got all of us sleep in the living room together. And you know, like I said, my kid- my parents were still kids, so they out doing kid stuff at the club, partying and all this and that. So while they're doing that, I'm playing Scarface and all this other shit, you know. But I remember we were sleeping in bed one time, and my mother comes in and she wake SB up, "SB, we whooped those bitches ass," all this and that. "We got them, we got them." Like, my mama just got into a bar fight with somebody and-

Narrator 11:28 Wow.

That Mexican OT 11:29 ... came home talking about, "Yeah, we whooped them bitches ass." I remember smelling the cold night, like, on her. Does that make sense?

Narrator 11:36 The cold night.

That Mexican OT 11:36 Like, you, you ever, you ever ... like, it's cold at night, and then-

Narrator 11:39 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 11:40 Y- y- you're inside and then somebody come in. It's like you could feel the cold on them.

Narrator 11:43 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 11:43 And like, smell it and shit. Like, I don't know how to explain it. Y- I just, I just, just felt the cold come off of her body, and, and, and I smelled her. And I always knew she was around 'cause I heard high heels. Like, when she would pick me up from daycare, I always knew it was my mama, 'cause she the only one coming in high heels. You know? And, um, yeah, my mom, she was just crazy. Her name was Sophia Gasca. Sophia Ann Gasca.

Narrator 12:07 Wow.

That Mexican OT 12:08 My-

Narrator 12:08 What a crazy way to grow up.

That Mexican OT 12:09 Yeah. Li- I mean, a little bit. I mean, it's definitely worse. You know what I'm saying? It's not even crazy. It's just, we was ...Just, just living. (laughs) I, like, I remember I didn't, I wasn't even sitting in car seats. Like, my mother would be driving holding my little baby brother, and I'd be standing in the passenger seat with my arm on the seat like this, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:27 Wow.

That Mexican OT 12:28 Yeah. Just living, like, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:31 Which is wild.

That Mexican OT 12:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:34 That's a good way to develop a rapper.

That Mexican OT 12:36 Correct.

Joe Rogan 12:37 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 12:37 My mama ... So boys would come around, and they'd be like, you know what I'm saying? My mama would always tell them, "Sophie, I'm going to be a, my son going to be a rapper." You know, they'd be, "Sophie, all right, Sophie." You know what I'm saying? "No, my son going to be a rapper." I was failing every class in the first grade, and Matia Rosario told me this story. Matia Rosario was ... She's not my tia, but, like, we were very close, so like they're family.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Right.

That Mexican OT 12:59 You know what I'm saying? That type of shit. And, um, she was actually in the car with my mother when she passed, and she, you know, they were tight, man. And, uh, she told me that I was failing every class in the first grade, and her, all ... Her and her friends were like, "Sophie, he failing in the first grade." Like, "What the fuck going on? He spelling stop," you know? And she was like, "Fuck that school, my son going to be a rapper." Uh, my dad would wake me up before school at, like, 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning when I was in the seventh grade, and, uh, he'd wake me up. He'd be like, "Son, you ready to whoop ass?" I'd be like, "Man, I got to get ready for school." And he's like, "Fuck school. You ready to get down there and whoop ass?" And he wasn't saying fuck school because, like, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause he always pressed, like, being good and getting knowledge, you know what I'm saying? But, like, he knew I didn't give a fuck. He knew I was just saying that, so he's like, in his mind, he's like, "Motherfucker, you going to get up and come down here and rap." You know? 'Cause he would, he would party every night, and he used to have the shit that people wanted, and women wanted to be with him, and men wanted to be him. So every night after they get done partying, Monday through Sunday, he would always bring the party back home. And he would have me, a house full of women, women sitting on the s- the fucking stairs lined up, one sitting on the refrigerator. We had two, I had a Mastiff, and he was mixed with Presa Canario. I think I said that right. His name was Bronson, like Charles Bronson. He was brindle, and his eyes were orange, lit up orange.

Joe Rogan 14:15 Oh.

That Mexican OT 14:15 Oh, man, just a beast. And, um, I could see the house. And we were living in a duplex, so then it looked like it's even more crowded, you know? And, uh, my dad would play, like, a Geto Boys beat, which is like five minutes fucking long if you don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:28 Okay.

That Mexican OT 14:29 So I'm about two or three minutes in, and he's like, "What the fuck you slowing down for? The beat ain't over." And I, I had to jump back on, and I'd eat these grown-ass men alive.

Joe Rogan 14:37 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 14:38 Alive.

Joe Rogan 14:38 And how were you writing your raps back then? Were you writing them in your head, or were you writing them down?

That Mexican OT 14:42 Nah, everything was on a pad.

Joe Rogan 14:43 Yeah?

That Mexican OT 14:44 I had everything in notebooks. I was supposed to be taking notes in school, and I'm writing, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:48 So-

That Mexican OT 14:48 I didn't, I didn't do anything else except for write, draw, or read.

Joe Rogan 14:53 So from the beginning, that's what you wanted?

That Mexican OT 14:56 It's not, it's not what I wanted. It's what my mama wanted.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Oh.

That Mexican OT 14:59 I don't, I don't even think I still know what I want to this day.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Really?

That Mexican OT 15:02 I think what I ... I just want to be okay. I don't, I don't even give a fuck about this money, the fame. I don't give a fuck about ... I love the music, 'cause I, I mean, I'm b- I'm blessed and I'm grateful for it. I cherish it, 'cause like, uh, it's my living and I'm comfortable off of it. This is what my mama wanted. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 15:19 So to this day, you're not sure that that's what you wanted?

That Mexican OT 15:22 I don't think it is. I think, I think what I want is just love. I missed out on a lot of love. I want a family. I just want to be okay.

Joe Rogan 15:30 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 15:30 You know what I'm saying? I just want a simple life.

Joe Rogan 15:33 I think that happens to a lot of people when they get pushed into something at a really young age. You hear that with a lot of athletes.

That Mexican OT 15:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:38 A lot of young fighters, a lot of young football players. They're just like, "I never knew what I wanted to do.They, they told me what I wanted to do."

That Mexican OT 15:45 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 15:45 You know? And then here I am, successful. Like, "I guess it's all right, but am I even me?"

That Mexican OT 15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 You know, "I'm a product."

That Mexican OT 15:51 Correct.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 15:52 I, I feel like, I feel like I'm definitely me. And, um ... But this was definitely for my mama. Definitely.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Well, look, it worked out.

That Mexican OT 16:02 Yeah, definitely. Uh-

Joe Rogan 16:03 I don't think of how happy she'd be right now.

That Mexican OT 16:05 Man, bro. And that, and that's one thing I've always ... I just want to see her jam my music.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Ah.

That Mexican OT 16:09 'Cause I remember being in the backseat watching her jam Ashanti and Ja Rule, and I remember her body language. I remember seeing her move. I remember her beautiful smile when she would sing. And I'm like, "Damn. Like, I wish I could see her sing my music." You know?

Joe Rogan 16:25 Yeah. Wow.

That Mexican OT 16:25 I know she would. And I ain't no bullshit. Like, everything I'm talking about is solid. So, like, I know she would feel it even more, like, "Damn, my son gangster."

Joe Rogan 16:35 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 16:35 You know?

Joe Rogan 16:36 That's awesome.

That Mexican OT 16:37 Yeah. I, I know she would love it, bro.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Well, that's, that's a beautiful thing though.

That Mexican OT 16:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:42 It's kind of amazing.

That Mexican OT 16:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:44 I mean, you think about how many people you touch and inspire and how many people love your music.

That Mexican OT 16:48 Correct.

Joe Rogan 16:48 How many people you excite.

That Mexican OT 16:49 Correct.

Joe Rogan 16:50 You know what I mean? You excite people. Those songs come on, people get excited.

That Mexican OT 16:53 Correct. And they-

Joe Rogan 16:53 She would be very happy at that.

That Mexican OT 16:55 Yeah, no. It's a blessing, man. And, and my father, he tells me all the time, like, "Man, this shit started in the kitchen." You know?

Joe Rogan 17:02 Hmm.

That Mexican OT 17:03 Right before I walked onto the rodeo stage, he said, "Son, you're still in the kitchen."

Joe Rogan 17:06 Wow.

That Mexican OT 17:08 And I was like, "I know."

Joe Rogan 17:09 That's cool.

That Mexican OT 17:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:10 You're in the kitchen, but now there's millions of people in it.

That Mexican OT 17:13 Yeah. For sure.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Isn't that wild?

That Mexican OT 17:14 Yeah, no. It's beautiful, man.

Joe Rogan 17:16 How old are you?

That Mexican OT 17:16 20- I just turned 25 February 6th.

Joe Rogan 17:18 Damn, you're just a baby.

That Mexican OT 17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Just a young man.

That Mexican OT 17:22 I'm trying. We getting there.

Joe Rogan 17:23 That's amazing.

That Mexican OT 17:24 Yup, yup, yup.

Joe Rogan 17:25 When did things really start popping for you?

That Mexican OT 17:27 Hmm. I would definite- ... I, I don't know, 'cause I feel like every time I dropped something, uh, I always had good motion. Like, I dropped a music video called Plan C in, like, 2018, 2019, and it, it ... Which is a lot, but it's not a lot. And it hit, like, 30K and got stuck. Now it's at, like, 40K. It might be at more now. Last ... Uh, I ain't checked in a while. But it was, like, at 40K and got stuck. Which is, like I said, a lot, but not a lot. But I'm from the country. And, like, I'm just, I'm just, uh, a kid in the country. It's like the hood. I didn't ... There wasn't no promo, no nothing. Like, I just made a video, and I'm doing music 'cause my uncle's got a studio in the house. So of course I'm going to be doing music. I'm fucked up on drugs. I don't want no job. I don't want to be around nobody. I'm finna do this. And then one day, my cousin, he had a homeboy and he heard the song. He was like, "Bro, I want to jump on it. Let me jump on it." So I was like, "Fuck it. You know, jump on it." And then, uh, he was like, "Man, I got a homeboy. I got a buddy, and he be shooting videos." I was like, "Shit."Fuck it. What else is there to do? You know what I'm saying? And we shot the video. We're all doing this just for the fun of it, like there's nothing else to do, and just dropped it, and it, and it went good. Then I dropped another song called La Muerte, maybe about two years after that. And when I, when I dropped La Muerte, that's when I was like, all right. I think it was like 2021, maybe 2020, that's when I was like, "Yeah, like, I could do something with this." 'Cause I'm not rapping no more. I'm actually making songs. There's a difference between r- rapping and making music. And I think when I wrote La Muerte, that's when I was like, "Yeah, I think I could do it."

Joe Rogan 18:53 Wow.

That Mexican OT 18:53 Yeah. So then-

Joe Rogan 18:55 In Q2? (laughs)

That Mexican OT 18:55 Yeah, exactly. La Muerte. That's right there, that's my grandma house and my grandpa house right in the back. That's outta country.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Oh. And how old were you in this?

That Mexican OT 19:06 (inhales deeply) When, when did it say that video dropped?

Narrator 19:09 Three years ago.

That Mexican OT 19:10 Oh, okay. No, I reposted it on there.

Narrator 19:12 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 19:12 So it's, it's f- about five years ago. I was maybe like 20 right there. 20 sound right?

Joe Rogan 19:20 Wow. So you've... Your whole life you've been on this path.

That Mexican OT 19:23 Yeah, correct. And you wanna know what's crazy? Some, uh, some people that I talked to, like, back then in the country and they like, "Bro," like, "I've always looked at you as a rapper." Even kids in school, like people at school that I talked to, like, "Man, like you were just always had a rapper..." Like, "I've always just looked at you as a rapper." You know what I'm saying? Even the kids at school like, "Oh yeah, that's OT. He the rapper." You know, like, bro, I was in-

Joe Rogan 19:46 Wow.

That Mexican OT 19:46 I was in Ms. Terry's class in eighth grade and everybody's getting certificates in school and, you know, my buddy Bran, he's like, "Most likely to go in the UFC." "Most likely to wear a red button up shirt." "Most likely..." And everybody's getting this stuff and mines was most likely to be a rapper. So like every-

Joe Rogan 20:03 Wow.

That Mexican OT 20:03 Everything was just like surrounded by it, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 20:06 They were correct.

That Mexican OT 20:06 Yeah. I remember being at school rapping at lunch, having the teachers and the, and the kids surrounding me.

Joe Rogan 20:11 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 20:11 The bell's ringing, we supposed to go to the next class and we still going headstrong.

Joe Rogan 20:15 Wow.

That Mexican OT 20:15 You know? Like I've, I've always just had a crowd... I've always been the center of attention. I remember my nanny would take me to Palais Royal to go school shopping when I was like eighth grade. I mean, eight years old, nine years old, 10 years old. And I'm rapping to the people in Palais Royal.

Joe Rogan 20:29 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 20:29 You know? Um, there was a car show. My mother had just passed. I was probably like nine years old. And my cousin Daniel took me to this car show, Slim Thug, Z-Ro, and Paul Wall, and them were on stage performing. And while they're on stage performing, you know, the car show's going over here. And then they got a bunch of vendors in their pop-ups. And this one dude has a microphone at his pop-up and he's trying to sell shit. "Oh, this and that. Yeah. Woo woo." And I, I ended up grabbing his mic and I start rapping to Z-Ro and them performing live on stage. I don't even think they know this story. I've never even told them that shit. And, um, but yeah, bro, I was rapping to Paul Wall, Slim Thug and Z-Ro on stage live.

Joe Rogan 21:05 Wow.

That Mexican OT 21:05 While I was... I was probably like nine years old.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Wow.

That Mexican OT 21:08 You know? All the... Uh, I'm seeing all these women, you know what I'm saying? Wearing booty shorts and, and these crop tops. And I'm seeing all these dudes and they just look clean with the Js. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, "Damn." Like, "I'm in here." (laughs) You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 21:19 (laughs) At nine?

That Mexican OT 21:20 Yeah. Shit was cool.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Wow.

That Mexican OT 21:22 Yep.

Joe Rogan 21:23 What were your first influences musically?

That Mexican OT 21:27 D- Definitely whatever my mama was jamming. She was jamming that Ashanti and Ja Rule. Um, I can't... My dad was jamming everything. My dad was jamming, like, fucking Offspring's fucking tour. He was jamming Three Day Grace, fucking all that shit. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 21:42 Oh, just mix it up.

That Mexican OT 21:43 Yeah. So like I... And then, and then, uh, my mama's side of the family, they all gangsters and, like, cholas so it was like gangster rap music and then, like, some, like, Latino music. And then my mama... My dad's side of the family, they're all cowboys. So I'm jamming country and shit like that, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:58 Wow.

That Mexican OT 21:58 Then I go with my dad and he's jamming rock and, and all this extra shit. So, like, I just got to... And then when I... Once I got older and started discovering music on my own, you know what I'm saying, I've already liked rock and rap to, to Latino music, to country. So like, how farther can I go with this? And I... And now my, my taste in music is just all... I'll jam music I don't even know the language to, but if it... If I feel it, I feel it.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 22:20 I feel it. I think that's why it's easy for me to just jump in any genre and dominate 'cause I can feel it and put me in it.

Joe Rogan 22:27 Right. You don't have a restriction in your head of what you can do.

That Mexican OT 22:30 Correct.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah. Well that's Cowboy Killer.

That Mexican OT 22:33 Correct.

Joe Rogan 22:34 And, and that's... I think that's one of the reasons why it resonated with so many people 'cause it's just... It's fun and it's like, "What is this guy doing here, man?" This is crazy.

That Mexican OT 22:41 But it don't sound forced either.

Joe Rogan 22:43 It also doesn't sound like anybody else. Like, you don't sound like anybody else. Like-

That Mexican OT 22:47 What do you mean to that?

Joe Rogan 22:47 ... you never hear... People... I play that and people go, "Who the fuck is that?"

That Mexican OT 22:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Like, like, they get interested, like-

That Mexican OT 22:52 Correct.

Joe Rogan 22:52 "...this is different."

That Mexican OT 22:53 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 22:53 It's beautiful when something comes along that just resonates like that. That, like, you could... You know, there's so many influences out there.

That Mexican OT 23:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:00 So when someone comes along and you're like, "Wow, that's a-"

That Mexican OT 23:03 St-

Joe Rogan 23:03 "...that's a different vibe."

That Mexican OT 23:05 Stevie was definitely my influences for, like, music like Cowboy Killer.

Joe Rogan 23:08 Yeah?

That Mexican OT 23:08 Yes. Uh, Stevie Ray Vaughan. He was a white boy. After every show he'd be like, " (Spanish) ," and walk off.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Yeah?

That Mexican OT 23:15 Yeah. My grandpa, he said he used to be on acid at his shows in Austin all the time.

Joe Rogan 23:19 He performed at my club. We have a photo of him on stage in my club from 1983.

That Mexican OT 23:24 Are you shitting me?

Joe Rogan 23:25 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 23:26 Holy fuck. That's sick.

Joe Rogan 23:28 When you walk towards the club when you're downstairs and you're walking towards the stage, there's a photo on the side of the wall. There's two of them of Steve Ray Vaughan on stage at the theater.

That Mexican OT 23:38 You a bad motherfucker, Joe.

Joe Rogan 23:39 We got lucky with that. We got lucky with that. I didn't even know the history of the place until I bought it.

That Mexican OT 23:44 What was it?

Joe Rogan 23:45 It was... At, at one point in time, it was the Alamo Dr... It's the Ritz Theater on Sixth Street.

That Mexican OT 23:50 Oh, no shit.

Joe Rogan 23:51 So at one point in time was the Alamo Drafthouse. There, there is. That's the photo we have.

That Mexican OT 23:55 Wow. Look at them.

Joe Rogan 23:56 It was, uh, a rock and roll club. It was a punk rock club. It was, uh, a nudie movie theater. It was a pool hall.

That Mexican OT 24:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:04 It was like-

That Mexican OT 24:05 So it's already been known for just being the spot.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yeah. That's it right there.

That Mexican OT 24:08 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:09 So it was all... Always a cool spot.

That Mexican OT 24:12 That's sick.

Joe Rogan 24:12 And now it's my comedy club.

That Mexican OT 24:14 That's sick.

Joe Rogan 24:15 But it's just the, the, the... There's certain old places where you walk in them and you, like, you could feel the memories in the walls. Like, they have... I think buildings have memory. I real... I think that's why people don't want to buy a house-

That Mexican OT 24:28 Images.

Joe Rogan 24:28 ... where someone was murdered in.

Narrator 24:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:30 ... I think-

That Mexican OT 24:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:31 ... buildings have, I think, I think things have memory.

That Mexican OT 24:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:34 I really do.

That Mexican OT 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:35 There's a, there's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake. I f- I forget what his discipline is. I think he's an evolutionary biologist or something like that. I forget what he does. But anyway, his... He's got this theory about memory, and that we have this idea that we are the only things that have memory. But he thinks that everything has memory, that all things around you-

That Mexican OT 24:55 And you agree?

Joe Rogan 24:55 Yeah. Uh, it's a psychology, psychology researcher. He prefers the concept of morphic resonance, a conjecture that lacks mainstream acce- he's a, he's, he gets criticized as being kind of a loon, but he's got some really fucking interesting ideas, and he's a brilliant guy. He just thinks outside the box. And one of the things he thinks is that everything has some sort of a memory to it. That's not a, he's not the only one that thinks that, too.

That Mexican OT 25:19 I want to understand him. Like, this, like, this table is gonna ...

Joe Rogan 25:22 Like, there's not, it can't tell you things-

That Mexican OT 25:24 Of course.

Joe Rogan 25:24 ... but this table is different because of all the people that have been in this room talking.

That Mexican OT 25:28 Correct.

Joe Rogan 25:29 You know? And I think there's something real to that.

That Mexican OT 25:31 Yeah. I, I c- so when I say I agree, I say I feel like I agree because words are powerful.

Joe Rogan 25:38 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 25:38 Like, maybe the word, like I'm th-

Joe Rogan 25:40 Experiences are powerful.

That Mexican OT 25:41 Yeah, there you go.

Joe Rogan 25:42 Yeah, yeah. Everything's pow- like, words facilitate experiences, right? You go on stage and you're killing it, and everybody in the audience is jamming out. That's an experience, you know? And then, well, they'll go back to that place. Maybe they'll go back and it'll be empty someday. They'll be like, "Oh, I saw that Mexican OT here, right here."

That Mexican OT 25:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:58 "I was standing right here." And you feel it.

That Mexican OT 25:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:00 I think that's why when you go by your old high school, you go by your old high school, you feel like a loser again. Like, "Woo."

That Mexican OT 26:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:05 Like, you feel like, like, uh, it makes me feel like I felt when I was 16.

That Mexican OT 26:10 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:10 You know? It, it's something about that. And, uh, I know that's a psychological connection that you have-

That Mexican OT 26:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:15 ... but I also think that high school's got the memories of a bunch of confused, fucked up kids that didn't know what to do with their life and their buckwild and yelling and screaming-

That Mexican OT 26:24 Correct.

Joe Rogan 26:24 ... and school fights and-

That Mexican OT 26:25 Correct.

Joe Rogan 26:25 ... all the chaos. I think it's burned into the walls.

That Mexican OT 26:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:28 I think, I, I really believe that.

That Mexican OT 26:30 Yeah, I b- I can agree with that. That sounds crazy. I've never heard it, but I actually love that.

Joe Rogan 26:34 I think that's what haunted houses are.

That Mexican OT 26:36 Wha-

Joe Rogan 26:37 Yeah, I think when, I think ghosts are real. But I think what a, what a ghost is, is the, b- like if someone gets brutally murdered in a building.

That Mexican OT 26:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:47 Like say, imagine if your, there's a house and some husband comes home and b- brutally murders his wife in that.

That Mexican OT 26:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:51 Nobody wants to buy that fucking house.

That Mexican OT 26:53 Correct.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Nobody wants to buy that house. He scat- stabbed her 100 times in the kitchen. Nobody wants that house.

That Mexican OT 26:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:59 You gotta level that house to the ground, and still people don't want that land.

That Mexican OT 27:02 Correct.

Joe Rogan 27:02 It's just too fucked up.

That Mexican OT 27:03 Correct.

Joe Rogan 27:04 I think when something truly horrific happens, the experience is so intense and extreme-

That Mexican OT 27:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:09 ... that that energy creates like a void.

That Mexican OT 27:12 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 27:13 And you feel that void when you're there. And I think if you're in the right state of mind and you're in a house where someone fell down a flight of stairs and snapped their neck-

That Mexican OT 27:20 You would feel it.

Joe Rogan 27:20 ... and was in horror, you would feel it.

That Mexican OT 27:22 Yeah, I do agree.

Joe Rogan 27:22 You would feel it. Yeah.

That Mexican OT 27:23 I do agree.

Joe Rogan 27:23 And you might feel them. They-

That Mexican OT 27:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Their, their experience might be recorded in a way where it f- has a little flashback.

That Mexican OT 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 And you just, like, hear someone saying, "Help," like real softly, and you're like, "What the fuck is going on?"

That Mexican OT 27:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:36 You turn the lights on, no one's there.

That Mexican OT 27:38 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 27:39 Fuck all that, man.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 27:40 I d- I do agree though. I, and I, and I, and I know, uh, I, um, I've always believed in gods and th- God and thing like, and things like that, you know, 'cause I grew up, uh, non-denominational. My nanny always prayed, you know, and things like that, but um, what made me full on believe it in like spirits and, and, and knowing that it's here, was I seen bad first. And uh, I was like, well fucking yin and yang, you know? Yes and no, on and off. Like there, there's bad, there's gotta be good.

Joe Rogan 28:07 Hmm.

That Mexican OT 28:08 And um, af- after that, that's when I've like been full on prayed up and like full on been trying to get better with the message, you know, 'cause I want to be rea- we gotta be ready for that talk, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:20 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 28:21 But yeah, no, it gets wicked though, definitely.

Joe Rogan 28:24 I thi- uh, that's the other thing that makes me uncomfortable as I get older, is I've realized that there probably has to be evil in order for good to exist. That there's some weird, with human beings, there's some very weird balance. Very weird balance of good and evil. And it's just like, you don't appreciate sunshine unless it rains. You live in LA, you're always used to the sun. The sun's bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck about that sun.

That Mexican OT 28:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:47 But man, if you live in Portland-

That Mexican OT 28:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:49 ... day, the day it's sunny out, you're like, "Oh."

That Mexican OT 28:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:52 You're out in the park with a coffee. "Oh, this is beautiful. Feel that sun."

That Mexican OT 28:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:56 "It feels so good."

That Mexican OT 28:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:58 You know, y- I think we need a balance, and unfortunately one of the things that creates more good is evil 'cause someone has to combat that good in the w- or combat that evil. And the way you combat that evil is become a better person, become great, become something special.

That Mexican OT 29:13 I like it.

Joe Rogan 29:14 I think that's real. And it's like there's so much evidence of it. If you look at human beings, there's never been a time where there haven't been evil people.

That Mexican OT 29:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Ever.

That Mexican OT 29:22 Correct. No, correct.

Joe Rogan 29:23 There's not like one society where everybody figured it out and everybody was cool.

That Mexican OT 29:26 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 29:27 And if they are, it lasts like a couple of years and then it falls apart, you know?

That Mexican OT 29:32 I, I think, uh... (laughs) Nah.

Joe Rogan 29:36 What?

That Mexican OT 29:37 I do wanna tell you this though before I forget. The f- the wolves you got out there, have you ever seen the movie Creep?

Joe Rogan 29:42 Creep?

That Mexican OT 29:43 It's, yeah. It's, it's, it's like it's a fucking scary ass movie.

Joe Rogan 29:46 When was that movie from? How long ago?

That Mexican OT 29:47 Uh, I don't know. Maybe like 2017, 2016 maybe?

Joe Rogan 29:50 I don't, I don't think I saw it.

That Mexican OT 29:51 Yeah, s- I would highly advise it.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Yeah?

That Mexican OT 29:53 Yeah, it reminds me of Peach Fuzz.

Joe Rogan 29:56 Peach Fuzz?

That Mexican OT 29:56 You just gotta watch it. I wouldn't even wanna ruin it for you. You know, I don't know if you like movies or not but bro, it's an amazing movie.

Joe Rogan 30:01 That wolf out there though, that's the, from The American Werewolf in London.

That Mexican OT 30:05 Oh, okay, sure.

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yeah. You ever see that movie?

That Mexican OT 30:06 No, I haven't.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Oh, you got to... (laughs) Oh, look at this thing.

That Mexican OT 30:08 Yes, Peach Fuzz! Holy fuck.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Oh, that's hilarious.

That Mexican OT 30:12 Bro, please watch it.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Oh, so that guy's the villain? So he's a bad guy with a wolf mask on?

That Mexican OT 30:17 He's not in the... Yeah, I mean yeah, but you just gotta watch it.

Joe Rogan 30:19 Okay.

That Mexican OT 30:21 He's throwed off, man.

Joe Rogan 30:23 He drives around like that? (laughs)

That Mexican OT 30:25 (laughs) You gotta watch it, bro.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Okay. Oh, they're doing a Creep 2?

Narrator 30:29 Yeah, or they did.

Joe Rogan 30:30 They did a Creep 2?

That Mexican OT 30:30 Yeah, they did do a Creep 2.

Narrator 30:31 Creep 1 was 2014, Creep 2, 2017.

That Mexican OT 30:33 There you go.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Underrated horror movie.

That Mexican OT 30:34 So Creep 2 is all right, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like Grease, like they should've just left it alone with the first one.

Joe Rogan 30:40 (inhales deeply) What?

That Mexican OT 30:40 But ...

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah. Kinda like Rambo.

That Mexican OT 30:42 Correct. But...

Joe Rogan 30:44 (laughs) It was a Rambo 2?

That Mexican OT 30:46 There's been, like, three or four Rambos. How many Rambos have there been?

Narrator 30:50 Uh, a lot. I think there's even a new one coming out.

That Mexican OT 30:52 Apparently, the last one is hilarious.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Really?

That Mexican OT 30:55 Yeah. My friend, Joey Diaz, saw the last one. He said, "Dude, it's a comedy."

Joe Rogan 30:58 Wow.

That Mexican OT 30:59 "You gotta watch this. Sylvester Stallone's 80 years old, he's killing everybody." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:03 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 31:03 He's fuck- fucking everybody up and shooting everybody, kills like 150 people. Apparently, it's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 31:10 You ever seen Bad Ass with Machete?

That Mexican OT 31:12 Bad Ass?

Joe Rogan 31:13 Yeah. He's like a, oh, he's like the grandpa and he, he got caught whooping these dudes on camera and he went viral for it. Then he becomes like a hometown hero and-

That Mexican OT 31:22 When, when was that movie? Damn.

Narrator 31:24 2012?

That Mexican OT 31:25 2012.

Joe Rogan 31:25 I don't think I saw that either.

That Mexican OT 31:26 I, I ain't gonna lie, I've seen a lot of movies. I, but that's what, that's-

Joe Rogan 31:29 From when you were on the road?

That Mexican OT 31:30 Yeah. That's what I was doing though, watching... My mama, my mama had like... So we had the TV and then there was a big ass, uh, entertainment center surrounding it and it was just filled with movies.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Hmm.

That Mexican OT 31:39 DVDs, VHS. It's down here in the middle, you know. Like, I remember watching Monkey Bone on VHS.

Joe Rogan 31:45 Oh, wow. That's an old one.

That Mexican OT 31:47 Yeah, Monkey... I want, I've been trying to shoot a video like that. I like Monkey Bone. Whoopi Goldberg's in it and all that.

Joe Rogan 31:52 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 31:53 Land of the Nightmares.

Joe Rogan 31:54 It's funny how Scarface became, like, the gangster movie.

That Mexican OT 32:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Like, the gangster movie.

That Mexican OT 32:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:03 Like, that was... Everybody knew all the words to S- to S- to Scarface.

That Mexican OT 32:07 You know what I think is, like, the most gangster-est movie ever?

Joe Rogan 32:10 What?

That Mexican OT 32:10 Apocalypto.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Oh, that was a good one.

That Mexican OT 32:12 Bro.

Joe Rogan 32:13 That's a good one.

That Mexican OT 32:14 And my favorite part is when he, when he, when he escapes them and he goes back in his jungle and he's like, "This is my jungle."

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 32:20 And then they start getting knocked off one by one.

Joe Rogan 32:22 Yeah. Yeah.

That Mexican OT 32:22 That shit's wicked, man. I like that shit.

Joe Rogan 32:24 That's a wicked movie, man. That's a wicked movie.

That Mexican OT 32:26 I like that one.

Joe Rogan 32:27 And that was back when Mel Gibson, like everybody's like, "Mel Gibson's fucking crazy."

That Mexican OT 32:31 Really?

Joe Rogan 32:31 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 32:31 They thought of him like that?

Joe Rogan 32:32 Yeah. He got pulled over, he was drunk, and he said a bunch of wild shit about Jews. (laughs)

That Mexican OT 32:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 32:38 The cops had it recorded.

That Mexican OT 32:40 Damn.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Yeah. And, you know, Mel-

That Mexican OT 32:42 Damn. What's up with... I feel like, uh, lately I've been hearing everybody talk shit about Jews. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 32:46 It's popular these days.

That Mexican OT 32:47 It's popular these days. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:48 Yeah. It's 'cause of what's going on in Gaza.

That Mexican OT 32:50 (clears throat) Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:52 Yeah. It's the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Oh, yes.

That Mexican OT 32:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Bro, she... Hey, I ain't gonna lie, I know she scared the fuck out of them.

That Mexican OT 32:59 Yeah. Bro.

Narrator 33:01 I heard this movie ex- recently described as just like, it's a non-stop chase. Which it kinda is.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Kinda is, but it's fucking good.

That Mexican OT 33:08 What is a non-stop chase?

Narrator 33:09 Like, the whole movie is a chase scene.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 33:11 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 33:12 Sometimes it's just a scene in a movie, but this is like the whole movie.

Joe Rogan 33:14 It was a brutal fucking movie too.

That Mexican OT 33:17 Bro.

Joe Rogan 33:17 Whoo. Yo, you know what's good? Have you seen Shogun? That series that's on FX?

That Mexican OT 33:22 No, I can't get into series.

Joe Rogan 33:24 Oh, man.

That Mexican OT 33:25 Yeah, it's good?

Joe Rogan 33:25 This one's good.

That Mexican OT 33:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:27 This one's good.

That Mexican OT 33:28 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:29 This is on Japan in the 1600s and these, these dudes are starving at sea and their boat washes a- ashore in Japan. They get captured and they kill a couple of them and this one dude. I don't wanna spoil it for you, but-

That Mexican OT 33:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:41 ... it's just like showing you the reality. It's very well done.

That Mexican OT 33:44 Yeah, I believe it.

Joe Rogan 33:45 The reality of life in Japan-

That Mexican OT 33:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:47 ... and in Osaka-

That Mexican OT 33:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:49 ... in 1600, it's, it's a fucking incredible-

That Mexican OT 33:52 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:52 ... incredible series. It's so well done.

That Mexican OT 33:55 This is it right here?

Joe Rogan 33:56 (clears throat) Yeah. They did it in-

That Mexican OT 33:57 Shogun. Oh, I feel like I've seen-

Joe Rogan 33:58 They were-

That Mexican OT 33:58 ... like, uh, commercials of it definitely.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Yeah, it's new. Th- it's, it's still airing, like, the... I think they've only aired three episodes so far. Maybe four by now.

That Mexican OT 34:06 Okay, so you're into this. How do you, how did you feel about Ip Man?

Joe Rogan 34:10 I didn't watch Ip Man.

That Mexican OT 34:11 Huh.

Joe Rogan 34:11 I mean, I knew the history of Ip Man, which is like, I think it's kinda based on, who was, uh, Bruce Lee's Wing Chun instructor.

That Mexican OT 34:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:18 But I'd... You know, I don't get into those kind of movies that much.

That Mexican OT 34:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:23 Those kind of kung fu movies.

That Mexican OT 34:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:24 'Cause it... Too, too much of my analytical brain for fighting.

That Mexican OT 34:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:28 It's like, "Why are you fighting like this?"

That Mexican OT 34:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:29 "Just grab that dude, kick his legs out from under him, take him down, strangle him."

That Mexican OT 34:34 You a bad motherfucker, bro.

Joe Rogan 34:35 "This is stupid, this is stupid. Why are you guys standing here in front of each other doing this shit?"

That Mexican OT 34:38 Yeah, I dig it.

Joe Rogan 34:39 You know?

That Mexican OT 34:39 I dig it. It just looked cool. My dad-

Joe Rogan 34:40 It does look cool.

That Mexican OT 34:40 ... always called it pretty, uh, pretty fighting.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Yeah. I could never get into kung fu movies. A lot of my friends were into kung fu movies. I would go-

That Mexican OT 34:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:46 ... but I didn't get into them. They're like the... (grunting)

That Mexican OT 34:48 Scary movies? How do you feel about scary movies?

Joe Rogan 34:49 Love scary movies.

That Mexican OT 34:50 That's where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Uh.

That Mexican OT 34:51 Like, bro, it's al- it's almost like, like weed ain't enough no more. I need meth. You know what I'm saying? Like-

Joe Rogan 34:56 Wow.

That Mexican OT 34:56 Yeah. Like scare-

Joe Rogan 34:57 Damn.

That Mexican OT 34:57 'Cause like, bro, I was already watching scary movies with my mama, like that was her favorite. So like, now I don't even want a scary movie, I want something that's like disturbing.

Joe Rogan 35:05 Well, how about... What is that one movie where that dude wears like a clown face and kills everybody and it's-

That Mexican OT 35:10 Bro, you gotta watch Creep. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Creep's a good one.

Joe Rogan 35:13 But this one's like that too.

That Mexican OT 35:15 I, I will watch Creep, for sure. It-

Joe Rogan 35:17 There's some fucking... It's like real gruesome, horrible shit.

That Mexican OT 35:21 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 35:22 And the dude dresses like a clown. They made a couple of them.

Narrator 35:24 Terrifier.

That Mexican OT 35:24 Terrifier.

Joe Rogan 35:25 That's right. That's right.

That Mexican OT 35:26 That's my, that's my dad's favorite. That's crazy what he loved.

Joe Rogan 35:28 Oh.

That Mexican OT 35:29 Like my dad wants him tatted on him. His name's Art the Clown.

Joe Rogan 35:31 (laughs) Your dad wants him tatted on him? That's amazing.

That Mexican OT 35:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Pull a video, pull a clip up of Terrifier.

That Mexican OT 35:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:36 This motherfucker is legitimately terrifying too.

That Mexican OT 35:39 Yes, yes, yes, yes. And he'd just be smiling.

Joe Rogan 35:42 Yeah. Look at... Just-

That Mexican OT 35:44 You seen how he fucking cut Homegrown from the, from the puss down?

Joe Rogan 35:47 Yeah, not nice.

That Mexican OT 35:48 Cut him in two.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Really not a nice thing to do.

That Mexican OT 35:50 Ew, look at them teeth.

Joe Rogan 35:52 Yeah. But it's funny how people disrespect him, they think he's funny, they think he's silly, like look at you, you fucking loser.

That Mexican OT 35:58 Yeah, that's really what it is.

Joe Rogan 36:00 Yeah. They always have to disrespect him first and then he... They're like, "Get away, you fucking stupid clown." (laughs) Next thing you know...

That Mexican OT 36:07 He's in that 16-year-old feeling comes back.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Yeah. They're just chopping him up, look.

That Mexican OT 36:12 He's like, "Oh, you finna die, bitch."

Joe Rogan 36:13 Makes Pennywise look like Krusty. Yeah.

Narrator 36:18 Mr. Garcia, please just remain calm and stay on the line with me until the police arrive.

That Mexican OT 36:22 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Yeah. It's a crazy movie, man.

That Mexican OT 36:26 Rob Zombie was also gnarly too. I was-

Joe Rogan 36:28 Oh, yeah.

That Mexican OT 36:29 I was a big fan of his work.

Joe Rogan 36:31 He's a cool dude. I got to meet him.

That Mexican OT 36:33 What?

Joe Rogan 36:33 Yeah. Yeah, I did a podcast with him back in the day.

That Mexican OT 36:35 Sick. How was he?

Joe Rogan 36:36 Yeah. He's great, great, great.

That Mexican OT 36:38 Yeah, I believe it.

Joe Rogan 36:38 It's so interesting that that guy got really into making horror movies too.

That Mexican OT 36:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 You know. And he does those same kind of movies, like really fucked up slasher-

That Mexican OT 36:44 I feel like he had the best Halloween too.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Yeah, he had a really good Halloween.

That Mexican OT 36:48 For sure.

Joe Rogan 36:48 How many of those have there been?

That Mexican OT 36:50 Uh, uh, oh, too many.

Joe Rogan 36:51 (laughs) There's, there's been so many of those movies.

That Mexican OT 36:54 Yeah. I feel, I feel like a lot of the scary movies now are a little lame just because, like, they just make them complete fucking studs. It's more of like an action movie for the scare- the scary killer.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 37:03 Like he just comes in and just fucking fucks shit up, goes ape shit.

Joe Rogan 37:05 Right.

That Mexican OT 37:05 Like, bro, I wanna be scared, you know, I don't wanna see him fucking take on a whole army.

Joe Rogan 37:10 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 37:11 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 37:12 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 37:12 It's an action movie.

Joe Rogan 37:13 I prefer action movies, a good one.

That Mexican OT 37:15 Really?

Joe Rogan 37:16 Yeah, a good action movie. One that's legit.

That Mexican OT 37:18 What's a good, what's a good action movie?

Joe Rogan 37:21 (inhales deeply) Well, a stupid good action movie, it's good but it's not realistic is John Wick.

That Mexican OT 37:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:27 That was a great one.

That Mexican OT 37:28 You need to watch Avengement.

Joe Rogan 37:29 Yeah? Avengement? What's Avengement?

That Mexican OT 37:31 Avengement. It's about-

Joe Rogan 37:31 What's Avengement?

That Mexican OT 37:31 It's, I, I, I personally, like, I always say that he ... I ain't gonna say he whooped John Wick, but he put John Wick in a fight.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Really?

That Mexican OT 37:37 For sure.

Joe Rogan 37:38 Have you seen Sisu?

That Mexican OT 37:39 Sisu? No, I haven't.

Joe Rogan 37:40 Sisu is about a dude in World War II that's basically, uh, like a John Wick in World War II.

That Mexican OT 37:45 Wow. So this-

Joe Rogan 37:46 And, uh, he kills, like, 100 Nazis by himself. (laughs) It's fucking amazing.

That Mexican OT 37:49 Whoa, shit. That's sick. That's-

Joe Rogan 37:50 It's amazing.

That Mexican OT 37:51 Yeah, it sounds sick.

Joe Rogan 37:52 It's a real good movie too. It's real well done.

That Mexican OT 37:54 Sinsu?

Joe Rogan 37:54 Sisu.

That Mexican OT 37:55 Sisu.

Joe Rogan 37:55 It's a, what is it, um, is it ... What, what-

That Mexican OT 37:58 Let me see it.

Narrator 37:59 Finish.

Joe Rogan 37:59 What country? Finnish?

Narrator 38:00 I think so.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yeah, I think you're right.

That Mexican OT 38:02 Yeah, no, fucking Avengement, I forgot what his name was, but, like, he was a fighter, like a ... And he, and his brother was, you know, doing some gangster shit and he ended up going down for his brother.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Hmm.

That Mexican OT 38:12 And fucking ... Yep, right here.

Joe Rogan 38:15 Oh.

That Mexican OT 38:16 He's in UK. The-

Joe Rogan 38:17 Avengement.

That Mexican OT 38:18 The prison that he's in is so grind- ... They call it the meat grinder. Yo, I'm talking about just fucking fucking shit up-

Joe Rogan 38:26 Whoa.

That Mexican OT 38:26 ... bro.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Jesus.

Narrator 38:29 (Instrumental music)

That Mexican OT 38:31 Uh.

Narrator 38:32 Find you guilty.

That Mexican OT 38:33 Hit him with a napalm.

Narrator 38:34 (Grunt and crash)

38:36 All right. Fine.

Joe Rogan 38:37 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 38:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:38 He's like, he's like, "Yeah, bro." He was like, he was like, "You just gotta callous the mind." And callous, like, bro, he was like ... Man, he's a badass. Look at him. Then that's when he escapes prison. And he, and he ... And you know what's my favorite part about him? What?

That Mexican OT 38:52 His heart, why he does everything that he does in this movie.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Why is that?

That Mexican OT 38:56 You just gotta watch it.

Joe Rogan 38:57 I always feel like I'm being conned when a movie does that, when there's, like, a hit man with a heart of gold. I'm like, "Shut the fuck up."

That Mexican OT 39:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:05 Just shut the fuck up. I know what you're doing, bitch. I'm not 12.

That Mexican OT 39:08 Yeah, no, of course.

Joe Rogan 39:09 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 39:09 Yeah, he definitely was doing something to be a savage, but, like, you know, he, he might as well just end on some good shit.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Yeah, but you know, like, there's always, like, the guy who's the contract killer, but, you know, he has rules.

That Mexican OT 39:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:18 The person has to be guilty. They have ... You know, he has a, like, a whole thing you have to-

That Mexican OT 39:22 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 39:23 You know? That's, like, the gray man.

That Mexican OT 39:24 The Outfit. Have you seen The Outfit? That's another good one. My dad just put-

Joe Rogan 39:27 No.

That Mexican OT 39:27 ... me on that one. It's, like, some, like, old school gangster time where they wear suits and shit, mobsters more. I think that's more gangster to me. Like, I've always been into the mobs more than, like, some gangbangers.

Joe Rogan 39:38 Yeah?

That Mexican OT 39:38 For sure.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Like old-

That Mexican OT 39:40 It's just player to me.

Joe Rogan 39:42 ... school mob movies?

That Mexican OT 39:42 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 39:43 Like The Godfather and all that.

Joe Rogan 39:45 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 39:45 Even the Goodfellas and things like that.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 39:46 It's just player to me.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 39:48 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 39:49 Well, there's something about it, that lifestyle is so appealing to some people that feel like their life is mundane and boring, you know? Like, that's why The Sopranos was so good.

That Mexican OT 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Like, Tony Soprano was a straight-up murderer and he was the hero.

That Mexican OT 40:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:02 A straight-up murderer.

That Mexican OT 40:03 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 40:04 He killed Christopher Moltisanti in his fucking Cadillac Escalade seat.

That Mexican OT 40:09 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 40:09 He just killed him right next to him. He was a killer, but you liked him.

That Mexican OT 40:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:14 He was a liar, a killer, a thief.

That Mexican OT 40:17 W- who, who were the two brothers? The two brothers, their ... I think it was based on a true story too. They were, like, from Germany or something.

Joe Rogan 40:22 The Krays?

That Mexican OT 40:23 Wasn't that it?

Joe Rogan 40:24 From England. Yeah.

That Mexican OT 40:24 England. Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 40:25 The Krays, bro.

That Mexican OT 40:26 Just from the actors in the movie, they look like brutes.

Joe Rogan 40:29 They were brutes.

That Mexican OT 40:30 Yeah, I believe it.

Joe Rogan 40:30 Yeah. Bro, England didn't play.

That Mexican OT 40:32 Bro, that's what I'm saying. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:33 You know, people think about England, they're like, "Fish and chips and fucking tea."

That Mexican OT 40:36 Yeah, nah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 "Cheerio."

That Mexican OT 40:37 Yeah, nah.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Uh-oh.

That Mexican OT 40:38 There's hood everywhere, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 40:39 I ... It fucked me up when I saw there was hood outside of Bay City 'cause I thought Bay City was, like, the only hood in the whole world.

Joe Rogan 40:44 The Krays twins would run and shit.

That Mexican OT 40:46 Look at those two, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Is that ... Are they from Liverpool? What part of England were they from?

That Mexican OT 40:49 They'll, like, smack the shit outta you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:51 Yeah. They'll, they'll fucking stab you right in the dick.

That Mexican OT 40:54 "Where's my crumpet?"

Joe Rogan 40:57 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 40:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:59 Where are these guys from? What, what, uh, city they from?

That Mexican OT 41:01 They look, they look like, like they just look like-

Joe Rogan 41:05 Fucking-

That Mexican OT 41:05 ... Haggerston.

Joe Rogan 41:06 ... brutes. Yeah, mostly in the East End of London from the 19- ... The late '50s until their arrest in 1968. Damn, so they ran shit for 18 years.

That Mexican OT 41:16 That's a good run.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Yeah. The movie's crazy too.

That Mexican OT 41:19 Yeah, no, it is.

Joe Rogan 41:20 And the movie apparently is not too ... They didn't take any-

That Mexican OT 41:24 Off.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Yeah. They didn't take any liberties. It's basically the story, I believe.

That Mexican OT 41:28 That's sick.

Joe Rogan 41:29 Yeah. Again, it's like, it's weird we, we like movies about bad people, you know? There's something about that. It's strange.

That Mexican OT 41:37 Yeah, 'cause I, I-

Joe Rogan 41:38 Sicario.

That Mexican OT 41:39 I don't know, I don't think I know that one.

Joe Rogan 41:40 You don't know ... Oh, you never saw Sicario?

That Mexican OT 41:42 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Dude.

That Mexican OT 41:44 No?

Joe Rogan 41:44 That's a great fucking movie.

That Mexican OT 41:46 Put me on. Show me it quick. I wanna-

Joe Rogan 41:47 Yeah, that's Benicio Del Toro, man.

That Mexican OT 41:49 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 41:49 That's a great fucking movie.

That Mexican OT 41:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:51 Sicario is all about Mexican assassins.

That Mexican OT 41:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 41:54 Yeah. Dude.

That Mexican OT 41:55 Sicario.

Joe Rogan 41:56 Emily Blunt, Benicio Del Toro. It's a good fucking movie.

That Mexican OT 42:00 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 42:00 And Taylor Sheridan did it, the guy who did, uh, Yellowstone. He did Yellow-

That Mexican OT 42:04 Oh, you know Ryan Bingham?

Joe Rogan 42:06 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 42:07 I fucking met him at the rodeo. He fucks with me.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Oh, really?

That Mexican OT 42:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Oh, that's good.

That Mexican OT 42:11 That shit is cool.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Everybody fucks with you, dude, once they hear you.

That Mexican OT 42:13 Yeah, right, right.

Joe Rogan 42:14 But this is a, this is a good fucking movie, man. It's heavy.

That Mexican OT 42:18 Nah, that shit looks gnarly.

Joe Rogan 42:19 Yeah, it's a heavy movie.

That Mexican OT 42:21 Yeah. Did you see The Last Purge? It, it made me think of The Last Purge 'cause-

Joe Rogan 42:24 Nah, I don't like those Purge movies.

That Mexican OT 42:26 No? How come why?

Joe Rogan 42:27 No. Because I get prepared.

Narrator 42:28 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 42:29 Bro.

Joe Rogan 42:29 When I see Purge movies, I start fucking loading magazines.

That Mexican OT 42:31 I feel like, I feel like we're close to it.

Joe Rogan 42:33 We could be close to it.

That Mexican OT 42:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:35 I didn't ... I never felt that until the George Floyd riots.

That Mexican OT 42:38 Really?

Joe Rogan 42:38 When the George Flo- ... Yeah, the George Floyd riots got ... Here's the thing about riots. This is my feeling.

That Mexican OT 42:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 42:44 I support your right to protest.

That Mexican OT 42:46 Correct.

Joe Rogan 42:46 But I'm not going to one of those.

That Mexican OT 42:48 Correct.

Joe Rogan 42:48 You know why? 'Cause I think protests are a lot like war. I think there's a, a mode inside the human brain. Let me explain to you. Y- you ever catch a fish? You know when you catch a fish, the moment that fish is on the line, your whole body gets excited, like-

That Mexican OT 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 ... "Oh, shit."

That Mexican OT 43:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:04 "Oh, shit." That is an ancient thing that is in us because it used to be that was survival.

That Mexican OT 43:10 Survival mode.

Joe Rogan 43:10 If you caught that fish, your family was gonna have food.

That Mexican OT 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 That's what, that's why you get so excited.

That Mexican OT 43:16 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:17 I think when people are on the ground marching, and they're all together and they're all chanting, that brings war.

That Mexican OT 43:23 Yeah. (laughs) Oh, shit. It does.

Joe Rogan 43:25 It bring, it excites that feeling-

That Mexican OT 43:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:27 ... just the way catching a fish excites that feeling.

That Mexican OT 43:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:29 I think it excites that feeling of war.

That Mexican OT 43:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 And when you, you, when you like, "No more Trump."

That Mexican OT 43:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:34 "No more Tr-" whatever the fuck it is.

That Mexican OT 43:36 Next thing you know, it's fucking molotovs.

Joe Rogan 43:37 "Black lives matter," whatever it is.

That Mexican OT 43:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:39 You're looking for someone to say it doesn't matter.

That Mexican OT 43:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:41 You're looking for someone.

That Mexican OT 43:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:43 It's not just a protest. You're, you are-

That Mexican OT 43:45 (laughs) Ooh, shit.

Joe Rogan 43:45 ... stimulating those thoughts of war. You're marching-

That Mexican OT 43:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:49 ... on the ground with your fellow soldiers.

That Mexican OT 43:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:51 They even call each other comrades.

That Mexican OT 43:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 There's a lot of wild shit that's involved in protests-

That Mexican OT 43:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:56 ... that excites people in a very dangerous way.

That Mexican OT 43:59 Yeah, no, yeah, definitely, I agree, man.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Mob mentality, that's what mob mentality is.

That Mexican OT 44:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 The r- you know, people are always talking about mob mentality. Like, if there's something happens-

That Mexican OT 44:06 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 44:07 ... there's a mob of people, people will do wild shit that they will never do normally.

That Mexican OT 44:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:10 Because that excites the war gene. There's a war gene inside of us 'cause every human being has survived war. If you're alive today, that means your genetics survived war. That means somewhere down the line, whether it's bows and arrows or r- or rifles or whatever, if you got to 2024, if your genes got to 2024, for sure there's some war in those genes.

That Mexican OT 44:37 (inhales deeply) Damn.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 44:38 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 44:40 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 44:40 Damn.

Joe Rogan 44:41 That's why I o- I will not go to protests. You see if there's a protest, I'm getting the fuck out of there.

That Mexican OT 44:46 Yeah, it's gonna get wicked.

Joe Rogan 44:47 'Cause it could get wicked. It might not.

That Mexican OT 44:48 Damn, I never thought about it how you said that, though.

Joe Rogan 44:50 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 44:50 That's crazy. I like that.

Joe Rogan 44:51 It's war.

That Mexican OT 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:53 It's w- war is inside of us. And i- your body knows when you go to war, you have to switch gears. You have to switch gears, and that's where mob men- that's when you beat someone to death with a rock in front of everybody.

That Mexican OT 45:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:03 You would never do that if it was just you and that person. There's something about that experience of being around a lot of people that are all being hostile and all excited together that just fires up parts of people. And also, you feel kind of a, like a badass 'cause you're a part of a gang-

That Mexican OT 45:18 Yeah, I think-

Joe Rogan 45:19 ... you know?

That Mexican OT 45:19 ... I think it, I think it's a comfort in knowing that there's, there's a bunch of you-

Joe Rogan 45:22 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 45:23 ... like knowing you, like, you can't lose.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Which is also like war.

That Mexican OT 45:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:26 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 45:27 Damn. Fuck, fuck, dude. I just want to love.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 45:30 I j-

Joe Rogan 45:30 Well, that's a better way to live.

That Mexican OT 45:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:32 For sure. But you also have a lot now.

That Mexican OT 45:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:34 You know, that's the thing. Once you have a lot, you're like, "You know what? I just wanna love." But when you don't have a lot and you're like, "Oh, these motherfuckers have a lot, I don't have shit."

That Mexican OT 45:41 It's hard to love, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:42 It's hard.

That Mexican OT 45:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:42 It's hard to be comfortable.

That Mexican OT 45:44 I do definitely agree 'cause, like, I feel like it was harder to be... Like, I feel like then, like before when I was, you know, chilling and bliss, man, bro, like my anger was so horrible. Like, I remember I'd get done being angry, and when I would be done, like, I'd be like, "All I, I just wanna sleep."

Joe Rogan 45:59 Hmm, just ward yourself out.

That Mexican OT 46:00 Like, like don't even talk. Yeah, like, "Fuck." Like, "I just wanna sleep." I would feel like I got jumped, like I just strained my body. You know what I'm saying? Just being angry.

Joe Rogan 46:08 And for no reason?

That Mexican OT 46:10 Fuck, for like, bro, for the simplest shit, bro, anything. Like, the wind blew the wrong way and I'd be like, "Fuck." You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know what it was.

Joe Rogan 46:18 It's a pense- it's probably pent up childhood shit.

That Mexican OT 46:21 It def- I feel like it definitely was.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 46:23 But, you know, like you said, you know, it's, it's easier to, to love when you have a lot of it.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Yeah. When things are going great for you, it's easier to love. And it's easier to also recognize that you wanna kinda... Like, you've experienced bad and now you're experiencing all this good, and you wanna kinda keep that rolling.

That Mexican OT 46:38 Yeah, correct. It makes you wanna do good. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 46:40 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 46:40 Or at least me personally, 'cause I know you do g- you know, 'cause energy's real, you know? I don't wanna say karma or nothing, but like, man, you know, you be a ho-ass motherfucker, some ho-ass shit's-

Joe Rogan 46:47 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 46:47 ... eventually gonna catch up to you.

Joe Rogan 46:49 (laughs) Yes.

That Mexican OT 46:50 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 46:50 That's a great way to put it.

That Mexican OT 46:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Yeah. So why don't you put that on a T-shirt? (laughs)

That Mexican OT 46:53 (laughs) Right? I'm telling you, bro. But, you know, you do good, you know, like-

Joe Rogan 46:57 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 46:57 ... man, I just like, bro, relationships is everything too, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 47:00 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 47:00 'Cause like, just 'cause I don't know how to do it, man, homeboy right here, I'm finna make him my best friend, he gonna do it for me.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Right, right.

That Mexican OT 47:05 You know?

Joe Rogan 47:06 Yeah. Relationships are very, very important. People that don't have friends are lost.

That Mexican OT 47:10 Lost.

Joe Rogan 47:10 Y- The idea that you could be like the only one person having fun, that's not real. You can't have fun unless your friends are having fun.

That Mexican OT 47:17 Correct.

Joe Rogan 47:17 If you, if you're doing great in your life and all your friends are suicidal and depressed-

That Mexican OT 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 ... that's not a good time, man.

That Mexican OT 47:23 Yeah. And if, and if-

Joe Rogan 47:23 You guys go out to dinner-

That Mexican OT 47:24 And if you're good with it and, like, they still depressed and shit, like, you're throwed off, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yeah, yeah.

That Mexican OT 47:29 Like, my boys, like, man, I've never ever, ever flew first class, ever. And, uh, my boy Boomhauer, I started bringing him with me, and I, I fucking started booking first class 'cause like I want him to experience that shit-

Joe Rogan 47:40 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 47:40 ... you know? Like, man, I just, I just, making, what make me happy is seeing my people happy and knowing I did it. You know what I'm saying? Like, we be out there chilling and shit like that, and I'll do all this and I'll cater to everybody, and then finally I just sit back, light my joint up, and I just look. And I just, I see my partner over there laughing. I see Cuz right here with some drinks and he laughing-

Joe Rogan 48:00 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 48:00 ... and he, you know what I'm saying? And we just chilling.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 48:01 I'm like, "Damn, I did that."

Joe Rogan 48:03 Yeah. That's good experience.

That Mexican OT 48:05 I did that.

Joe Rogan 48:06 The problem rappers have-

That Mexican OT 48:07 I do, I do shit for people that I know would never do shit for me. But I do it 'cause like, man, that's just who I am. Like, I just wanna love.

Joe Rogan 48:13 'Cause it feels good to do that.

That Mexican OT 48:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:15 Yeah. That's, that's a great sign of your character that you experience that while you're having success, that you wanna do good for other people and make other people feel good.

That Mexican OT 48:25 That shit...

Joe Rogan 48:25 That's a great sign.

That Mexican OT 48:27 It make me feel good.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Yeah. That's a, well, you're a wise man. That's a great sign of your character that that's, that's a... 'Cause a lot of people when they start doing good-

That Mexican OT 48:35 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 48:35 ... they start going, "I'm the fucking man."

That Mexican OT 48:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:37 "Yeah, I'm the fucking man."

That Mexican OT 48:38 Now, you started off as a nobody, homeboy.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Yeah, exactly.

That Mexican OT 48:41 You know what I'm saying? Everybody's a nobody.

Joe Rogan 48:43 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 48:44 You know what I'm saying? You just ha- you just happen to be good at that-You know what I'm saying? I just happen to be good at rapping, and, and you know what I'm saying? This shit don't make my dick bigger. You know what I'm saying? Real life.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Imagine if it did.

That Mexican OT 48:53 Huh. I, I would... Yeah. That'd be bad, though.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Hmm.

That Mexican OT 48:56 (laughs) You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 48:57 Nas would have the biggest dick on earth.

That Mexican OT 48:59 Whew. Rewind.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Rewind. Yes.

That Mexican OT 49:01 Bro, 'cause it's hard-

Joe Rogan 49:02 Bro.

That Mexican OT 49:02 ... telling this story.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Right.

That Mexican OT 49:03 It's hard telling the story in rhyming.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Right.

That Mexican OT 49:06 It's hard telling the story rhyming and telling the story backwards.

Joe Rogan 49:08 It's a masterclass.

That Mexican OT 49:10 Get the fuck out of here, bro.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Masterclass in writing.

That Mexican OT 49:12 He's an animal, bro.

Joe Rogan 49:12 I was just listening to Rewind yesterday.

That Mexican OT 49:14 Wow.

Joe Rogan 49:14 And I was thinking that exact same thing, like, "How good is that?"

That Mexican OT 49:18 How good is that, bro?

Joe Rogan 49:18 The smoke goes back in the blunt.

That Mexican OT 49:20 Back in the blunt.

Joe Rogan 49:20 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 49:20 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:21 The bullet goes back in the gun.

That Mexican OT 49:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:23 It's ama- it's an amazing rap.

That Mexican OT 49:24 Shoot, don't please.

Joe Rogan 49:25 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 49:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:26 And it's so good.

That Mexican OT 49:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:27 It's so well-written.

That Mexican OT 49:28 It makes sense. It feels-

Joe Rogan 49:29 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 49:29 ... it feels ... You know, it flows. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 49:31 He's the best writer. He's the-

That Mexican OT 49:33 You think so?

Joe Rogan 49:33 He's the best writer. He's the best writer. H- he's like ... His lyrics are so goddamn good. He's the GOAT.

That Mexican OT 49:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:39 But you know who's super underrated and people don't give him his props is Willie D from the Geto Boys. Willie D.

That Mexican OT 49:44 Willie D. And he was knocking motherfuckers out.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Knocking motherfuckers out.

That Mexican OT 49:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:48 He's a legit boxer.

That Mexican OT 49:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Willie D's a real boxer.

That Mexican OT 49:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 He showed me video of one of his fights, and we were watching on his phone. I was like, "Dude-"

That Mexican OT 49:55 Bad motherfucker. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:56 I'm like, "This is good."

That Mexican OT 49:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 "Like, you got skills." Like, if you told me this was like a middle weight contender who's c- coming up, I'd be like, "Oh, that guy's good."

That Mexican OT 50:03 No shit.

Joe Rogan 50:03 "He's good." Billy ... (blows raspberry) Willie can knock people the fuck out.

That Mexican OT 50:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:07 But Willie wrote, uh, Fuck a War in 45 minutes. You ever heard Fuck a War?

That Mexican OT 50:12 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 50:12 All right. Listen. Sorry, YouTube. We're gonna have to edit th- ... We ... I need to play this for 'em.

That Mexican OT 50:17 Let's do it.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Well, YouTube will ... we'll cut this out. Can we cut this out?

Narrator 50:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:21 And we'll come back. We'll come back for, for the Spotify people. You could ... Whatever.

That Mexican OT 50:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:26 We'll figure it out. Uh, but we'll cut this out. Listen to this.

Narrator 50:29 (hip hop music) Fuck a war.

That Mexican OT 50:30 I agree, though.

Joe Rogan 50:31 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 50:31 Fuck all that.

Joe Rogan 50:31 Willie, Willie ... I agree with that, too.

That Mexican OT 50:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:33 But Willie tells stories.

That Mexican OT 50:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Like, there's a lot going on in his, in his writing.

That Mexican OT 50:39 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 50:39 That's what I love about '90s hip hop.

That Mexican OT 50:41 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Like, the lyrics of '90s hip hop, man.

That Mexican OT 50:43 They were saying shit.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Oh, yeah, man.

That Mexican OT 50:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 This ... I, I grew up on '90s hip hop. I grew up, like ... When I was ... Uh, when I lived in New York, all I did was play pool, play pool and do comedy.

That Mexican OT 50:54 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:54 And when I was playing pool, that was the '90s hip hop era.

That Mexican OT 50:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:58 People were listening to Kool G Rap and DJ Polo.

That Mexican OT 51:01 Yep.

Joe Rogan 51:01 You know, it was like ... It was a different time, man.

That Mexican OT 51:04 I think, to me, Em was the best, Em and Big L when it came to those storytellers.

Joe Rogan 51:08 Big L. People forgot about Big L, man.

That Mexican OT 51:10 Bro, Big, Big L is one of the reasons why I'm an animal today.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Really?

That Mexican OT 51:13 A Mexican with no green card showed me who Big L was.

Joe Rogan 51:16 Really?

That Mexican OT 51:16 Yep. My partner found me.

Joe Rogan 51:18 Wow. I found out about Big L because I was a Gangstar fan.

That Mexican OT 51:21 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 51:21 And so ... And the beginning of Full Clip, it says, "Big L, rest in peace."

That Mexican OT 51:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:26 (singing) And it goes into that. I was like, "Who's Big L?"

That Mexican OT 51:29 Oh, and that's when you ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:30 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 51:30 Loophole from there.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 51:32 Yep, yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 51:32 And then I found out Big L ... Big L had been murdered. I'm like, "Oh, shit."

That Mexican OT 51:35 Yep. I think I was, like, in the seventh grade when I found out about him, eighth grade.

Joe Rogan 51:40 Yeah. There's a l- so many hip hop artists, but Kool G Rap is one that I bring up all the time 'cause people forgot about him.

That Mexican OT 51:46 Uh, Tech N9ne, too.

Joe Rogan 51:47 Tech N9ne.

That Mexican OT 51:48 Tech N9ne is not bad.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 51:49 I remember I was jamming Tech N9ne, Yelawolf, and all these dudes. Like, I was jamming Worldwide Choppers and people would be like, "Turn this shit off." Like-

Joe Rogan 51:55 Wow.

That Mexican OT 51:55 ... "What the fuck?" (laughs) I'd be like, "Bitch, y'all are tripping." You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 51:58 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 51:58 Like, their ... But their minds wasn't there. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 52:01 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 52:01 How they was ... They was like on that, I think, mumble rappers barely coming out. The fucking ... You know what I'm saying? Like-

Joe Rogan 52:06 Right.

That Mexican OT 52:07 ... the, the drug dub SoundCloud rappers was here. So, like, all that shit was out the window to them.

Joe Rogan 52:11 Well, people forgot about some of the great Mexican hip hop, too. Like Kid Frost.

That Mexican OT 52:15 Kid Frost was cool.

Joe Rogan 52:16 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 52:17 I don't know if you know Lil' Bing and Big Flake.

Joe Rogan 52:19 No, I don't.

That Mexican OT 52:20 Yeah. Those, those were some Texas Mexicans that was like really the shit.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 52:22 And my uncles, too. My uncles was like ... They was SPM to me.

Joe Rogan 52:26 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 52:26 And that w- ... They was hard, so, like, even just having my uncles, th- them being my Mexican mentors, you know what I'm saying? Like, they was ripping shit, real life.

Joe Rogan 52:34 Nice.

That Mexican OT 52:34 Ripping shit up.

Joe Rogan 52:36 That's what ... Like, if you wanted to develop a rapper, like, you kinda was-

That Mexican OT 52:40 A perfect story for it.

Joe Rogan 52:41 It was like you e- ... You got your PhD in the streets.

That Mexican OT 52:43 Bro, that's what I'm saying. Even my dad, like, he put me through gladiator school with that shit. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 52:47 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 52:48 Like, I remember being like, "Dad, I don't wanna rap." 'Cause everybody was trying to be a rapper. "Dad, I don't wanna be a rapper no more." He'd be like, "Shut the fuck up. Get on this beat."

Joe Rogan 52:55 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 52:55 For real. You know what I'm saying? Like, he ... And he would, he would have me rap not because he wanted me to be better.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 53:01 Not 'cause, like, he wanted me to push or push me. Like, he ... It was his ... He was being selfish.

Joe Rogan 53:05 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 53:06 It was his entertainment.

Joe Rogan 53:07 Uh, yeah, but also he probably knew that that's the only way to really develop a man correctly.

That Mexican OT 53:12 Correct. But I don't think that was on his mind.

Joe Rogan 53:14 No?

That Mexican OT 53:15 I think his m- ... He, he was like str-

Joe Rogan 53:16 Have you talked to him about this?

That Mexican OT 53:17 He ... He was j- ... I, I mean, I hear him talk about it.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Oh, okay.

That Mexican OT 53:20 You know what I'm saying? And, uh, he would just be fucked up, like, th- ... Like, "Get down here. I wanna hear you." You know? 'Cause he been hearing me since forever.

Joe Rogan 53:28 Right.

That Mexican OT 53:29 Since the ... Since I was rapping through a window.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Well, there is a lot of that with, uh, parents of athletes.

That Mexican OT 53:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:35 You know? Like, that they couldn't make it in the sport but then they're like, like super involved parents and they force their kid to train and go to camps ...

That Mexican OT 53:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:42 ... all this stuff.

That Mexican OT 53:42 But nobody, nobody in my family did music.

Joe Rogan 53:44 No one?

That Mexican OT 53:45 No one.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Really?

That Mexican OT 53:46 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 53:46 So it was just ... Your dad just loved it and he wanted you to do it?

That Mexican OT 53:49 My mama loved it.

Joe Rogan 53:50 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 53:51 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 53:51 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 53:52 And, uh ... And then my dad was just a fan of it.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Wow.

That Mexican OT 53:55 You know?

Joe Rogan 53:56 Well, that's fucking dope having your dad be a fan of your shit.

That Mexican OT 53:59 Yeah. That, that, that's also another thing that I was super grateful for 'cause there was a lot of kids that I was growing up with and they were like ... Their parents, like, drilled them to be something else, you know?

Joe Rogan 54:08 Oh.

That Mexican OT 54:08 Exactly what you were saying.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 54:09 And like, "Man, fuck all that."

Joe Rogan 54:11 You can ruin a kid.

That Mexican OT 54:11 Even, even my, even my stepmom, like, she wanted me to go ... Bro, I, I took the ASVAB like five times and failed every time. I even cheated and still failed.

Joe Rogan 54:19 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 54:19 You know what I'm saying? Real life. I got the, I got the ASVAB for dummies, ripped those out of the fucking page, put them in my pants.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Ugh.

That Mexican OT 54:25 Went in there trying to look for answers, still failed. Like, it just wasn't for me. And my, my, my Grandpa Skip, he was like, "Virgil." He was like, "E- ..." He said, "Do what the fuck Virgil wants to do." He said, "But whatever it is, just make sure you fucking do it. So if you wanna be a rapper, you can be a rapper, but make sure you fucking do it."And he's like... Now he's like, "You know what I'm saying? You're gonna have to have a job. You're gonna want a phone, now you got a phone bill. You're gonna want a car to move around and go to these shows. You're gonna have fucking car notes and all this extra." And he just, you know, just giving me game on it. And he... But his m- his story, like his main thing to get to me was just, "Do it, though."

Joe Rogan 55:04 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 55:05 You know, "Fucking do it."

Joe Rogan 55:06 Just do it. But just-

That Mexican OT 55:07 Do whatever you want to do, just do it.

Joe Rogan 55:09 But that's a big thing in life, is just doing things.

That Mexican OT 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:14 So many people just lay-

That Mexican OT 55:14 The hardest part is showing up.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Yes.

That Mexican OT 55:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:17 Always.

That Mexican OT 55:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Still, to this day.

That Mexican OT 55:19 Correct.

Joe Rogan 55:19 To this day, the hardest part, uh, going to the gym is actually-

That Mexican OT 55:23 Showing up.

Joe Rogan 55:23 ... deciding you're gonna go-

That Mexican OT 55:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:25 ... getting in there. And then once you get going, it's pretty easy.

That Mexican OT 55:27 It's like, "Ah, fuck, I'm here." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Yeah. Even when it's hard, it's like, "I know what I'm doing."

That Mexican OT 55:31 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 55:31 "I've done this forever."

That Mexican OT 55:32 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 55:32 And you get accustomed to doing it. And then if you're... If you're like... That's where your dad, like really served you well.

That Mexican OT 55:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:37 'Cause he made you do it.

That Mexican OT 55:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Even if it was for his entertainment, damn, you got something out of that.

That Mexican OT 55:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Think about all those reps you put in.

That Mexican OT 55:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 All those times you were rapping from the time you were a little kid. All those reps.

That Mexican OT 55:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:49 Just constant reps, constant reps.

That Mexican OT 55:51 Now it's muscle memory at this point.

Joe Rogan 55:52 Exactly.

That Mexican OT 55:53 You know?

Joe Rogan 55:53 It's part of you.

That Mexican OT 55:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:55 It's like you could wake you up at three o'clock in the morning and say, "Start rapping."

That Mexican OT 55:58 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 55:58 And you fire right up.

That Mexican OT 55:59 Correct.

Joe Rogan 56:00 Yeah, it becomes a part of you.

That Mexican OT 56:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:01 And that, that only happens through repetition.

That Mexican OT 56:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:03 You gotta get those reps in.

That Mexican OT 56:05 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 56:06 It's no other way around. There's no shortcuts.

That Mexican OT 56:09 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 56:09 There's no easy road. When you meet a dude and he's a bad motherfucker and he's 24 or 25 and you go, "How long you been doing this?" "I was a little kid."

That Mexican OT 56:16 Yeah. Like it's... That's what, that's what I try to tell people, like s- like I try to compare... Like there's some people, like as soon as they were walking, they were in karate.

Joe Rogan 56:22 Right.

That Mexican OT 56:23 As soon as I was talking, I was rapping.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 56:25 Like music is what taught me not... It didn't teach me how to English and how to talk, but it taught me like how to put shit together, really.

Joe Rogan 56:32 Right. Right, right.

That Mexican OT 56:33 You know what I'm saying? If that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 56:35 Yeah. It does make sense because you're formulating raps. You're not just talking to your friends.

That Mexican OT 56:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:39 You're formulating shit that's gonna be entertaining. So it's exciting that creative part of your mind.

That Mexican OT 56:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:44 And again, you're developing that way.

That Mexican OT 56:47 Yes. And a-

Joe Rogan 56:47 And you're developing that way with the internet.

That Mexican OT 56:49 Correct.

Joe Rogan 56:50 So you have the influence of all these rappers.

That Mexican OT 56:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:53 You could get anybody who ever lived. You can listen to 100 Miles and Running. You can listen to Eminem's shit. You can listen to Snoop Dogg's shit. You can listen to anything anytime you want. It's a magical time for someone to be inspired.

That Mexican OT 57:07 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 57:07 And influenced.

That Mexican OT 57:08 Correct. I agree. Damn, that's, that's beautiful. Especially the MTV music videos. I don't know if you remember that.

Joe Rogan 57:13 Yes.

That Mexican OT 57:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:14 I remember those.

That Mexican OT 57:15 So my nanny, she was working, she was working at the plant. So like three, four o'clock in the morning, we're up, she's taking me to the babysitter's. I'm, uh, putting MTV on 'cause I wanna watch some shit. Music videos start playing, you know. I remember watching the, the, The Black Keys. The, uh...

Joe Rogan 57:27 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 57:28 And, and they had that Tighten Up.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yes.

That Mexican OT 57:30 And I remember being a kid watching that like, "I want to do music like that."

Joe Rogan 57:34 Bro, those guys are coolest.

That Mexican OT 57:36 I... Bro, I've never met them, but they seem-

Joe Rogan 57:37 How long are you here for?

That Mexican OT 57:39 Uh, I gotta be in South Padre tomorrow and then, um, and then Cali- California for Rolling Loud. (fingers snapping)

Joe Rogan 57:44 Damn.

That Mexican OT 57:45 I'll be back on the 18th.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Tomorrow I'm going to see The Black Keys at Stubbs in town.

That Mexican OT 57:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:49 Are you shitting me?

That Mexican OT 57:50 Yeah. Bro, I took them to the club Tuesday night. They came, they did the podcast, we hung out. I got a little too high. I was, I was barbecued.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 57:57 But it was just a little ablo... I just love them so much.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 58:00 They're so cool. And Patrick is hilarious. I believe it.

Joe Rogan 58:03 That dude is funny like a comedian.

That Mexican OT 58:05 Yeah, no shit.

Joe Rogan 58:06 He's, he's funny. I told him, I go, "Don, I don't want to fuck up your life, man, but you could do comedy."

That Mexican OT 58:10 (laughs) Yeah, right, right.

Joe Rogan 58:10 Like you 100... 'Cause there's dudes you meet like that could do com... Like, I used to work for this dude who was a private investigator.

That Mexican OT 58:17 I, I feel like being funny though, and a comedian is different.

Joe Rogan 58:20 It's only a little different. It's next door neighbors. You just gotta figure out how to go over.

That Mexican OT 58:26 Yeah. But like-

Joe Rogan 58:27 It's not... It's... But it's a skill. You learn how to do it. It's, it's gonna take time.

That Mexican OT 58:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:32 But you can do it.

That Mexican OT 58:34 I believe it.

Joe Rogan 58:34 It's like a podcast. I tell everyone, "If you are an interesting person to talk to, you could ro... You could have a podcast."

That Mexican OT 58:40 Correct.

Joe Rogan 58:40 But you gotta learn how to do it.

That Mexican OT 58:42 Correct.

Joe Rogan 58:42 You gotta learn how to not interrupt people. You gotta learn how to like bring the most out of them. You gotta learn the flow of the conversation.

That Mexican OT 58:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:49 It seems like it's just talking, 'cause it is just talking. But it's an art form.

That Mexican OT 58:53 Correct.

Joe Rogan 58:53 And being funny.

That Mexican OT 58:54 I agree.

Joe Rogan 58:54 If you're funny with your friends, you can do it.

That Mexican OT 58:56 Correct.

Joe Rogan 58:57 You just have to figure out how to do it.

That Mexican OT 58:58 Yeah. I... And I... And I... Yeah. I da... I definitely agree. But like to me, I feel like it would be hard just 'cause like my mind's already so everywhere.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 59:06 You know? Like I suck at focusing, like... Yeah. I just-

Joe Rogan 59:09 Yeah. But you focus when you rap.

That Mexican OT 59:11 Oh, that's it.

Joe Rogan 59:11 But that's it. But that's all you need. A thing that you know you could do that now.

That Mexican OT 59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Bro, you... As good as you are, you could do anything you wanted. You could do anything. If you decided to stop rapping and you got super excited about making cars, you'd make the dopest cars.

That Mexican OT 59:27 Correct.

Joe Rogan 59:28 You... It's just the thing that a person... It's... Miyamoto Musashi was a samurai in the 1400s. He wrote this book called The Book of Five Rings and it's about strategy. Miyamoto Musashi killed 60 men in one-on-one combat.

That Mexican OT 59:41 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 59:41 He's like one of... A legendary samurai.

That Mexican OT 59:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:43 I have him tattooed on my arm.

That Mexican OT 59:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:44 My whole right sleeve is Miyamoto Musashi.

That Mexican OT 59:47 That's sick.

Joe Rogan 59:47 'Cause he said this one thing, and I read this when I was like 16 years old, "Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things."

That Mexican OT 59:55 "Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things."

Joe Rogan 59:58 Once you become a master at something-

That Mexican OT 1:00:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 ... you can see what it takes to be a master in all things.

That Mexican OT 1:00:03 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 That's one of the reasons why I enjoy music so much. This guy... I have no musical ability at all. I have nothing. I have no talent. So I s... I've never tried. So I see people do music. I'm like, "Yeah, just make it magic." Look at this magic experience. This goo... Dude's up there just singing and dancing-

That Mexican OT 1:00:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 ... and playing music and my whole body's excited.

That Mexican OT 1:00:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 It's like I'm on a drug. I'm like, "Wow."

That Mexican OT 1:00:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 "This is amazing."

That Mexican OT 1:00:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 It's magic.

That Mexican OT 1:00:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 I love it. It's, it's, it's... There's something about it, man. It's like when you s- you see people at the top of their game with anything.

That Mexican OT 1:00:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 It's so exciting.

That Mexican OT 1:00:36 Yeah, no, correct. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 That's what it is. And you, the way you do that with rap, bro, you would just have to have a thing that you love the way you love rapping.

That Mexican OT 1:00:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 If there was a thing that came along and you loved that thing as much as you what is painting?

That Mexican OT 1:00:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Whatever the fuck it is.

That Mexican OT 1:00:49 I'd dominate.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 You would dominate.

That Mexican OT 1:00:50 Yeah, correct.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 You would dominate.

That Mexican OT 1:00:51 I agree.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Yeah. 'Cause you would have the same focus and energy.... that you have with, with your music that you have with that?

That Mexican OT 1:00:58 Yeah. That, that's why I'm grateful for the music, man, 'cause like, you know, I just, that other shit, I feel like I just always sucked at it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 (laughs)

That Mexican OT 1:01:04 Like, I have zero patience. I ha- I suck at talking to people. I don't want to talk to a lot of people, you know what I'm saying? Fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 But you're good talking right now.

That Mexican OT 1:01:12 Yeah, 'cause I wanna talk to you.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Yeah, but that's what it is.

That Mexican OT 1:01:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 That's what it's a- Well, that's the secret to this podcast. I only talk to people I wanna talk to.

That Mexican OT 1:01:18 Correct.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 So, I just re- like, I reached out to you. I was like, "This dude seems cool as fuck. I wanna talk to him."

That Mexican OT 1:01:23 Thank you, man. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 But that's how I do the show. I just only find people, like with The Black Keys. I can't wait to talk to them.

That Mexican OT 1:01:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 I would talk to them at a diner, you know?

That Mexican OT 1:01:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 I'll talk to them anywhere.

That Mexican OT 1:01:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 We could go to the park and talk. Okay. I wanna talk to you.

That Mexican OT 1:01:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 You know?

That Mexican OT 1:01:35 Sick.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 I love talking to interesting people 'cause I think it, it changes the way you see the world.

That Mexican OT 1:01:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 You see the world through their eyes. Like, I feel like you get a little something out of a person every time you sit and talk to them.

That Mexican OT 1:01:45 Y- you ever met somebody and you were like, "Man, you throwed off, but I almost get it"?

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Yeah. A lot of people like that.

That Mexican OT 1:01:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Comedians, man. Comedians, almost all of them are off in some way.

That Mexican OT 1:01:56 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 To wanna be standing on stage and make people laugh, t- tell stories and-

That Mexican OT 1:02:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 ... m- that's hard to do, man.

That Mexican OT 1:02:04 No, yeah, bro, definitely. Like I said-

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 So, you, to wanna do that, you don't give a what though.

That Mexican OT 1:02:06 And then, and then, and then being able to go from a story to another one-

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Mm-hmm.

That Mexican OT 1:02:10 ... and then bring it right back in where you put-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Yeah.

That Mexican OT 1:02:11 You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Yeah, yeah.

That Mexican OT 1:02:12 You a bad motherfucker, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 It takes a lot of work. But it's like, just like rap or like anything else. It's just time and reps and, and, and you're, you're, like, trying to make it better.

That Mexican OT 1:02:22 Correct.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Like looking at it all the time, fucking with it, twisting it around, changing it, adding to it, taking away-

That Mexican OT 1:02:27 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 ... editing it.

That Mexican OT 1:02:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 You know? It's, but that's a thing like all things, like all things. When you really put your mind and your soul to it, all things just, y- you find where the, the best version of it is.

That Mexican OT 1:02:40 What genre of music was like the first thing you heard and you were like, "This is the music I wanna listen to"?

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 (inhales deeply) Man, I was real lucky that, uh-

That Mexican OT 1:02:48 'Cause you fucked me up with The Geto Boys.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Oh, I love The Geto Boys, man.

That Mexican OT 1:02:51 That's sick.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 I