Joe Rogan Experience #2123 - Gary Clark Jr.

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) So how much of a relief is it to have the album done?

Gary Clark Jr. 0:15 Uh, it-

Joe Rogan 0:16 You've been working on this for a while, huh?

Gary Clark Jr. 0:18 Yeah, it would be a relief if I got a chance to chill out. I just-

Joe Rogan 0:21 Ah.

Gary Clark Jr. 0:22 I just kind of m- mixed it, mastered it, mastered it again, and that took a little while. And, uh, I was supposed to go on vacation. I was gonna take a trip and go chill out and, like, think about it, and that took like... That didn't end up happening, so I just turned my phone off for, like, two, three days. And then it was let's go talk about it and break it all down and, you know, so it's, it's a, it's a relief. It's finally done. But it just, it's kinda kept going, so I haven't had a chance to, like, chill on it.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Those breaks are important, right? Those just vacation breaks, just shut your brain off breaks.

Gary Clark Jr. 0:58 Yeah. Yeah, I, I don't... I, yeah, I really, I really wanted that one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06 I really, really wanted that.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Looking forward to those margaritas.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08 I needed it. I just wanted to ch- I just wanted to go be by myself, just camp out in the woods by myself or something.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Oh, really?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:13 Yeah, just be completely solo.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Oh, yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:16 And just chill out, you know. I was, I just made 40. I was just wanted to go chill out and go, "Wow," you know, reflect and be like, "Wow, this first 40's been pretty cool." Like-

Joe Rogan 1:27 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:27 ... "What's gonna happen in the next?" And it was like, boom, New York City, Tonight Show-

Joe Rogan 1:32 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:32 ... Questlove looking at me. I was like, "This is not what the plan was." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:39 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:39 At all.

Joe Rogan 1:39 And sometimes you gotta force the plan. And those-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41 ... all those other people.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:43 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:43 You know, you have a lot of people to make happy.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:45 Absolutely. But I'm, uh, I'm also excited to do it, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:48 Sometimes if I get too comfortable, I get comfortable just being comfortable.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:52 And not, like-

Joe Rogan 1:53 And then nothing gets made.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:55 Yeah. You know, I kinda like to get out there and get the nerves going, blood going a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:59 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:00 And get out in front of folks and figure it out.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:03 You know, so it's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Well, that's a little bit of a vacation from the creative process of making it, right? 'Cause the process of making it, you were... I mean, I know you were locked up.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:13 Yeah, well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14 You lock yourself up, dude.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15 You do it, like, when you do it, you go all in.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:19 Well, I think I, I still care about this shit, you know.

Joe Rogan 2:22 You can tell.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:22 I really care. Like, I, I, you know, people are like, "What the hell are you making a whole album for if it's about singles?" I'm like, "I still like listening to, to a full record, putting a record down-"

Joe Rogan 2:34 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:34 ... "you know, having the needles scratch the thing and playing it and then, you know, flipping that other side and seeing what's happening." I still like listening to a record from top to bottom, you know, like an art-

Joe Rogan 2:43 If there's anything that I've ever learned, it's that j- do what you like to do.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:48 It doesn't matter what the trend of the business is. Just fucking do what you like to do.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:52 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 You like albums? Make a fucking album.

Gary Clark Jr. 2:55 Yeah, yeah, sure. And so, yeah, that's what I did. I've b- I mean, I, I was locked in. A lot of it was by choice too, you know. It was like I, I, I just love being in the spot. I built a studio. I was like, "Well, why not fucking use it?"

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:12 You know, so that's what I did. Kinda to a fault, my wife was like, "You, you gotta get out of there."

Joe Rogan 3:20 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 3:20 (laughs) You know, "Trying to hang with you, get me out of the house, socialize me and stuff."

Joe Rogan 3:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:23 But I was just, I was just locked in, you know, just nerding out, trying to make noise, organize noise, you know.

Joe Rogan 3:31 But the end is beautiful.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:34 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 3:34 The e- the end result is beautiful.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:36 Thank you. Thank you for-

Joe Rogan 3:36 There's so many layers to the music, man. I got it last night. They sent me a link, but then the link needed a passcode and I couldn't get a passcode. And then last night they sent me the link.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:46 So while I was riding last night when I came from the store, I listened to the whole album.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:50 Awesome. Awesome.

Joe Rogan 3:51 Man, there's so many... The, the music, the sounds, like right off the bat, there's so many layers.

Gary Clark Jr. 3:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:58 It's like, you know, it's very... You could tell there's so much thought into it.

Gary Clark Jr. 4:05 There's a lot of smoke in the air.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 4:08 A lot of mezcal.

Joe Rogan 4:10 (laughs) Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 4:11 A lot of vino flowing.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 4:13 Yeah, it was just, uh... And there was nobody saying... You know, usually it's, for me, people expect a certain thing, you know. And, uh, like, you know, I get, have talks, I don't... No strings on the album, stay away from singing falsetto stuff because your core fans don't like it. And I was like, "I just don't give a fuck." Like, I didn't care. I was... It was the middle, in the middle of COVID.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 4:39 So everybody was locked down, and I was just like, my phone was down. Nobody was talking to anybody. I just-

Joe Rogan 4:44 That-

Gary Clark Jr. 4:44 I got weird, man. I got weird in the studio.

Joe Rogan 4:46 To me, that is so crazy that anybody is around you that gives you that kind of advice.

Gary Clark Jr. 4:51 Well, it's the, it's, it's folks that are in the business and, you know, I guess people... I've been, I've been told that I'm not... I'm, I'm a hard act to put on a shelf. You don't know where to put me. So they-

Joe Rogan 5:05 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:05 ... don't know how to market or sell this confused-

Joe Rogan 5:09 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 5:09 ... kid who plays power chords and listens to Nirvana, who also loves Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre, who thinks that Thelonious Monk is one of the baddest dudes on the planet, who wants to play harmonica like Sonny Boy Williamson. They're like, "What the fuck are you?"

Joe Rogan 5:23 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 5:23 You know? So...

Joe Rogan 5:24 You're Gary Clark Jr.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:25 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 5:26 That's it.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:26 Exactly, exactly. But it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a weird time, you know. Like, just people wanna be able to call you something, and that's-

Joe Rogan 5:33 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:33 You know, so they try to do the whole next Jimi Hendrix thing, and that didn't really work out. I kind of rebelled on that, and-

Joe Rogan 5:40 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:41 ... they're like, "Oh fuck, now what?" You know. So here we are, you know what I mean? It's, um... But I, you know, there's no reason not to try shit. All my favorite artists tried shit.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:53 I mean, that's why I like, you know, Prince.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 5:57 T- like, unapologetically. Stevie Wonder.

Joe Rogan 5:59 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:00 You know, that's also why I like-

Joe Rogan 6:01 Sturgill Simpson.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:02 ... hanging out with you motherfuckers, 'cause y'all just be trying shit, you know.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:05 You d- you know where-

Joe Rogan 6:06 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 6:06 ... the, you know where the, the wall is when you hit that motherfucking, you go, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 6:11 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 6:11 You know?

Joe Rogan 6:11 Well, the thing about our thing is we have to do it in front of people.

Narrator 6:15 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:15 Right. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:15 You know? So it's me stoned in front of a computer-

Gary Clark Jr. 6:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:19 ... going, "Oh, this is so crazy," writing shit out. (laughs)

Narrator 6:22 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Putting it on my phone, and then going, "All right. Let's see."

Gary Clark Jr. 6:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:26 "Let's see what other people..." See how it comes to life.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:28 But you can create all kinds of magic alone. That's a different thing.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:34 Well, I might think it's magic and you never know-

Joe Rogan 6:36 I think it's magic.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:37 ... until, until the thing drops. So we'll see what happens.

Joe Rogan 6:39 True.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:39 But, yeah, I feel good about it. Th- thanks for listening, man. That's-

Joe Rogan 6:42 Oh, my pleasure. You know I'm a fan, dude.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:44 Appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 6:44 I d- I don't know your thing kicks off our fucking night almost every night at the Mothership.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:48 Whew.

Joe Rogan 6:48 When we get in that green room, we get in that green room, wanna get things popping, that's... I don't know your thing is a fucking... That's a work of art. That's a classic.

Gary Clark Jr. 6:56 Uh, it's just, it's just kind of a rude-

Joe Rogan 6:58 It's awesome. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 6:59 ... "Fuck y'all, I'm here."

Joe Rogan 7:02 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 7:02 You know?

Joe Rogan 7:02 Yeah. It's awesome. It's awesome.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:04 It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 7:05 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:05 But congrats on, uh, one year, man.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Thank you. Thank you.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:09 One year.

Joe Rogan 7:09 Yeah, it's crazy.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:10 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 7:11 It flew by.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Feels like we just opened.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:13 Y'all been doing it, man. That bird on the street, y'all are taking over. It's game changing.

Joe Rogan 7:18 It's fun.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:19 For real.

Joe Rogan 7:19 We got so many guys moved here now.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:21 Oh, I know.

Joe Rogan 7:22 It's-

Gary Clark Jr. 7:22 They're my neighbors now.

Joe Rogan 7:23 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 7:24 Way out in the country.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Well, that's the smart way to live, man.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:27 I tell everybody. I go attack it from the outside.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:30 Like Tony Hinchcliffe, he likes living in the city. I'm like, "That's great," and everything like that.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:34 But you're gonna go crazy. You wanna be-

Gary Clark Jr. 7:36 Ah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 ... outside, get that balance.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:37 Yeah, definitely.

Joe Rogan 7:37 When I lived in LA, I lived way outside of LA in, in the hills with coyotes and mountain lions and shit.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:43 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 7:43 I had to worry about hawks and-

Gary Clark Jr. 7:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:45 ... you know, those are like the things that I would think about. I'd like just that quiet, just quiet, and then get into the crazy, and then get back to the quiet.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:52 It's a choice.

Joe Rogan 7:53 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:53 It's a choice. It's a choice.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Just have a... Like, the way you're doing it, it's perfect. Live in the country. Just relax.

Gary Clark Jr. 7:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:00 When you get outside and you drink a cup of coffee in your porch, man, you just chilling.

Gary Clark Jr. 8:05 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Just birds and shit.

Gary Clark Jr. 8:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Just beautiful grass and trees. It's... Ah.

Gary Clark Jr. 8:11 Yeah. I've become such a fucking nerd, brother.

Joe Rogan 8:15 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 8:19 I've been s- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:19 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 8:19 I've been sitting outside and, like, walking around my house. I've gone to the camera store. I've spent way too much money on camera gear trying to capture the perfect clip to send National Geographic of the Mexican eagles in my backyard. And I'm just sitting-

Joe Rogan 8:32 You have Mexican eagles in your backyard?

Gary Clark Jr. 8:33 ... I'm just sitting out there with a crazy zoom lens.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Oh, yeah?

Gary Clark Jr. 8:36 I'm just quiet, stalking them.

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 8:39 (laughs) Trying to get this shot. It's, uh... Yeah, I spend way too much time out there. But, you know, it's...

Joe Rogan 8:46 So you got one of those big, crazy nature lenses?

Gary Clark Jr. 8:48 I'm, I'm that guy.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Oh, wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 8:49 I think I might quit music and try and get a gig doing that.

Joe Rogan 8:52 Really?

Gary Clark Jr. 8:52 I'd get off doing that. Like, I'm s-

Joe Rogan 8:54 Really?

Gary Clark Jr. 8:54 ... I get... Yeah, I'm... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:56 That's a Mexican eagle?

Gary Clark Jr. 8:57 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Wow, what a cool-looking bird.

Gary Clark Jr. 8:59 Yeah, man.

Narrator 8:59 He's got a toupee or something on.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:01 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:01 Hey, little thing. Get a little wig on. (laughs)

Narrator 9:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:05 Crested caraca.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:06 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Is that how you say it? Caracara? Caracara?

Gary Clark Jr. 9:10 Caraca?

Narrator 9:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:11 Caracara? Mexican eagle. What a fucking beautiful animal.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:15 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 9:16 Wow.

Joe Rogan 9:16 You have those in your yard?

Gary Clark Jr. 9:17 Yeah, there's like... there's a family of, like, three of them. They swoop down and hang out all the time.

Joe Rogan 9:21 I had a, I had a hawk tried to sweep in on my chickens the other day.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Had the chickens in the backyard. And all of a sudden, the chickens start going... (cawing) (lively music)

Gary Clark Jr. 9:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:30 Flopping their wings and running around. I look up, there's this hawk coming-

Gary Clark Jr. 9:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:34 ... circling.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:35 That's... You gotta watch out for those motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:37 I saw a hawk swoop up a kid, and I didn't think about that when I moved down to the... This was on video or something. I don't know if it was fake.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Oh, probably an eagle. Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 9:44 Yeah. S- Uh, yeah. But I was like... I didn't even think about having to look out for that in the country, 'cause a hawk came down and swooped up or swooped down and got one of my chickens right in front of my boy who was like five at the time. He's like, "What is that?" I was like, "Woo." That's, you know, that's, that's the world happening. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 10:03 That's nature.

Gary Clark Jr. 10:04 That's nature.

Joe Rogan 10:04 That's how it goes down in the real world.

Gary Clark Jr. 10:06 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Not this weird thing that we've constructed to insulate ourself from it.

Gary Clark Jr. 10:10 Yeah. And think that we're the most powerful. I mean, when you s- sit out there and you see a hawk swoop down and grab another, you know, sizable animal and just take off with it, you're like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 10:24 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 10:24 (laughs) You know? Okay. You know?

Joe Rogan 10:25 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 10:25 It's not that safe. I mean, I, I walk around out there o- on my property and there's been a couple times where I've almost stepped on a rattlesnake.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 10:36 You know? Um, my wife and kids just stepped over a rattlesnake getting out of the truck right there in the driveway, and it was little baby rap- uh, rattlers. They had no idea. I looked down, stomped on his head. I was like... (laughs) You know, you, you don't have to think about crazy things like that, you know? Going fishing, my daughter caught a water moccasin.

Joe Rogan 10:55 Oh, shit.

Gary Clark Jr. 10:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:56 On a fishing line?

Gary Clark Jr. 10:57 Yeah, she was all excited. "Daddy, I got a snake."

Joe Rogan 11:00 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 11:00 I was like, "Yo."

Joe Rogan 11:02 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 11:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:04 Not that one.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:05 Not that one. That is not the one you want.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Wow, on a hook?

Gary Clark Jr. 11:08 Yeah, on a hook. Sh- it was like a... one of those little, um, like one of those little kid poles. It's like a Elsa or one of those little-

Joe Rogan 11:15 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:15 ... princess poles.

Joe Rogan 11:16 Right, right.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:16 She's just, you know, reeling in cottonmouths.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:20 Like nothing. Yeah. Country.

Joe Rogan 11:22 I didn't know they bought, uh, they bought onto la- line like that. Like, they... They'll attack bait?

Gary Clark Jr. 11:28 I didn't know that either.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Phew.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Damn.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:32 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So come get some of that if you wanna step out of the city, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:38 Yeah. Um, but, uh...

Joe Rogan 11:41 I love it though.

Gary Clark Jr. 11:43 Yeah, I do too. I, I love getting into the madness. I, uh... You know, I don't wanna hate on it. I l- I mean, I love wandering in... I love wandering around downtown with a camera, popping into certain spots. And, you know, I check in on y'all, go to the blues spots and catch the madness and get excited myself, shake it up a little bit, you know, and then just take it back home and...... get the zoom lens out, and nerd away.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Well, it's a good balance of different things. And if you wanna go see, like, live shit, like this town is so good for that, man. There's so much live performance going on. There's so much comedy. There's so much music.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 You know?

Gary Clark Jr. 12:21 Yeah, it's great. I like seeing the musicians watching the comics and the comics watching the musicians.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:26 I like that match-up.

Joe Rogan 12:27 I love watching music 'cause I have no talent.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:31 So it's, I love watching a thing where I have no talent in. I've no, I've never played anything, so I watch, and it's just like you're doing magic up there. Like, "Look at these guys doing magic."

Gary Clark Jr. 12:40 I brought a guitar for you, and if... At least we're gonna teach you how to play an E chord before I get outta here.

Joe Rogan 12:47 Okay. I'll, I'll try.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:49 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 12:49 I'll try it. I just, I've never even tried it.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:51 Well, that's the problem.

Joe Rogan 12:53 Is that the problem? No, the problem is... Here's the problem.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 12:57 I know my brain.

Gary Clark Jr. 12:58 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:58 And my... I have a dangerous brain. I can't, my brain can't get too interested in things-

Gary Clark Jr. 13:02 All right.

Joe Rogan 13:02 ... 'cause then it's all in. And then, it's like, "Fuck eating. Let's do this all day."

Gary Clark Jr. 13:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:07 I, uh, so I've learned through all my years how to keep that wolf in a cage-

Gary Clark Jr. 13:11 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:12 ... and not to let it out. So, that's why I don't play golf.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:15 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 13:16 'Cause I'm addicted to pool. It's a real problem.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 13:20 I play like a hai-... I could play like a hare under professional speed-

Gary Clark Jr. 13:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:24 ... when I'm on, when I'm really on. I've been practicing for several hours. I could run... I ran three racks the other day, three racks in a row. That's big-

Gary Clark Jr. 13:31 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 13:31 ... four and a quarter inch pockets. Yeah, see that's the problem. Like, I get like that with music. I would get like that with anything.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:37 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:37 I get like that with golf for sure. I see Jamie. He's a full-on junkie.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:41 He's a full-on junkie. He's got a, a simulator out there, and I come here. And like, when I pull the car up, he's driving balls into the simulator and m- mapping it out on a fucking computer.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:52 Obsessed.

Narrator 13:54 Let's go.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:54 Ah, all right.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Obsessed with his club speed. He's got a fucking killer drive too.

Gary Clark Jr. 13:57 You, like, set up to the whole m- sensor thing, and...

Narrator 14:01 Nah, it's just, it reads... I don't, I don't have all that yet, like-

Gary Clark Jr. 14:03 Oh, it's coming.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah.

Narrator 14:04 ... strapping (laughs) .

Gary Clark Jr. 14:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah, he says, yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 14:05 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 14:05 I, I... There's, uh, we've got some cool stuff on the way, I think.

Gary Clark Jr. 14:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:09 I've watched it get you though. That's what's interesting. Like, when we first met, you were not into golf. Like, how many years ago did you get into golf?

Narrator 14:16 When we got here.

Joe Rogan 14:17 When we got to Austin?

Narrator 14:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:18 So, four years ago. So, in four years, he's become a stone cold junkie.

Gary Clark Jr. 14:23 Gotchu.

Joe Rogan 14:24 So is Hinchcliffe, stone cold junkie.

Narrator 14:26 For sure.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Ron White-

Gary Clark Jr. 14:27 Yeah, I heard.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Ron White's a junkie, just like us with golf.

Narrator 14:29 It also called a lot of people, that they, that whatever the pandemic did, th- the golf bug went around. It was one of the only things you could do then. That's not what I was playing, but it sorta was.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Right.

Narrator 14:36 But yeah, something happened.

Joe Rogan 14:37 It seems to me like it's one of those things that once you do it, and you, you do it, and you start getting better at it, you just fucking love it, and then everybody becomes an addict. I, I know very few people who dabble in golf. You know, a lot of people, they'll play pool a little bit here and there, but they don't get, like, fully addicted. Golf people get just addicted.

Gary Clark Jr. 14:57 I don't get that. That, I'm scared of that too. I get that now, uh, you know, understanding your own brain. I don't s-... I don't gamble.

Joe Rogan 15:04 That's it, yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:04 I don't play golf-

Joe Rogan 15:05 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:06 ... any of that, 'cause it's over for me.

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah, it-

Gary Clark Jr. 15:09 It's already a problem with these stupid cameras. My wife is like, "You're not a fucking f-... What are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 15:13 (laughs) But yet, you are.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:15 You are. You are whatever the fuck you wanna be.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:17 I'm obsessed.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Yeah, I don't like people telling you what to do.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:20 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:21 That drives me nuts.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:23 When I hear people telling you what to do and telling, about giving you advice on music, just shut the fuck up.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:29 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Everybody shut the fuck up, and just market whatever he does.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:32 Yeah, it's, yeah, well, yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 15:34 Just do that.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:34 I did it. You, you sell it. But, you know, the thing is, is, uh, that it's, it's, it's not people telling me what to do. It's meetings and suggestions.

Joe Rogan 15:44 Mm-hmm, right.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:44 So, I'm translating it as people telling me what to do.

Joe Rogan 15:46 That is what it is, though.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:47 But they're... Suggestions, right?

Joe Rogan 15:48 It's as much as they can do.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:50 As much as they can tell Gary Clark Jr. how to make music, they're gonna give it a shot.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:54 Well...

Joe Rogan 15:54 You know? You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just-

Gary Clark Jr. 15:57 I gotcha.

Joe Rogan 15:57 ... annoying. It exists in comedy too.

Gary Clark Jr. 15:59 Yeah, it does.

Joe Rogan 15:59 They're always telling comedians, "Do this. Do that. Dress nice. Do this. Do that."

Gary Clark Jr. 16:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:03 "Stop talking about COVID. Stop talking about this."

Gary Clark Jr. 16:06 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 16:06 "Do the... You know, you'll lose 5% of the audience when you do this, and 10% when you that." Shut the fuck up.

Gary Clark Jr. 16:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Shut up.

Gary Clark Jr. 16:13 Yeah, I was in a conversation the other day in New York, we're talking about a set list. "You should put this in this order, and do this and this." And I was like, "You know what? Y'all talk about it. I don't talk... I don't wanna... I, I, I'm leaving this conversation."

Narrator 16:25 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 16:25 "I'm gonna go up on the roof. I'm gonna put some smoke in the air, and then I'm gonna do my fucking show. Like"-

Joe Rogan 16:30 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 16:30 ... "chill out," you know?

Joe Rogan 16:31 Shut the fuck up-

Gary Clark Jr. 16:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... n- telling you how to do a set list.

Gary Clark Jr. 16:34 Oh, it's funny. It's a funk- it's a funky business, you know? It's cool.

Joe Rogan 16:38 They're all like that, Gary.

Gary Clark Jr. 16:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:40 They're all like that. TV was like that. When I was on, uh, News Radio, it was maddening-

Gary Clark Jr. 16:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:44 ... 'cause here you have this guy, Paul Sims, this brilliant writer from the Larry Sanders Show, all these amazing cast members, this incredible writing staff, and then you have the network. They said, "You need a wacky neighbor," you know? (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 16:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 "You needed this. You needed that." You know, "We need to have a hot girl that Dave's interested in." So, there was always something. Like, "Stay the fuck out of this."

Gary Clark Jr. 17:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 "Stay out of this."

Gary Clark Jr. 17:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:07 But they can't help themselves.

Gary Clark Jr. 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:09 And you have to listen to them 'cause they're the executives. They're the people that have the money, and you're like, "Okay."

Gary Clark Jr. 17:15 Right. And you love doing the art.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Exactly.

Gary Clark Jr. 17:17 You know? So-

Joe Rogan 17:18 So, it's this weird relationship.

Gary Clark Jr. 17:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:20 You know, that's one of the best things about comedy is that you don't really have that relationship with anybody anymore. We used to have it with TV, but now, that's all gone.

Gary Clark Jr. 17:27 Yeah. You can... You guys can do whatever you want.

Joe Rogan 17:30 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 17:30 I was telling, uh, you know, a couple of guys at... When I show up to the comedy spot, I, you know, you guys are nice enough to give me free drinks-

Joe Rogan 17:40 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 17:40 ... and so I take advantage, and then I start to... (laughs) I start to, I start to going off, "Man, you guys are the real fucking rock stars. You can just do whatever the hell you want, and nobody can tell you shit. You just go. You just go." And, uh, but, I mean, it is true, you know? It's... You guys got a freedom that... And, uh, and a creative space to say whatever you want at any time, and, uh, and, uh, that's cool. It's inspiring, you know?

Joe Rogan 18:06 It's fun. It's, especially at That Place 'cause That Place is, you know, made for us, by us.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:12 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 18:12 And it's all ours. We're the only ones who own it.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:15 So amaz-

Joe Rogan 18:15 ... nobody owns it but us.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:17 That's badass.

Joe Rogan 18:17 (laughs) Like everybody else has to listen to us. That's never been the case. It's always been, there was an owner, and the manager is hired by the owner, and they give you the rules.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:26 So the rules are now, like I go in the green room, "Well, what do you guys think?" And everybody just starts giving off opinions. "I think this." "I think that." I'm like-

Gary Clark Jr. 18:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:33 ... "Okay. We'll do it that way."

Gary Clark Jr. 18:34 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 18:34 We all agree? Okay, we'll do it that way.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:36 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 18:37 So because of that, we've been able to just have it like a real safe haven. It really is like a mothership.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Because everybody there goes and travels and does the road, but they come back home, to home base.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 They come back to the mothership.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:50 That's how you build a community.

Joe Rogan 18:51 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 18:52 That's a prime example.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Yeah. And it's just like, everybody who comes here is looking for that too. And so then when they get it and they realize, "Oh, this is real."

Gary Clark Jr. 19:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Like, this is real. This isn't just like a... Everybody wants that thing, you know, like, "Oh, I wish there was a place we could go. We all just hang out together and every night just do shows and everybody's creatively inspiring everybody." And then once you actually have it, you're like, "Oh my God. It can be real."

Gary Clark Jr. 19:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:17 It can be real.

Gary Clark Jr. 19:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:18 'Cause we had a little bit at the store. We had a lot at the store in LA.

Gary Clark Jr. 19:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:22 But we also had owners and, you know, w- who were great. We had managers. We had, uh, Hollywood agents would come. There was always people's managers hanging around. There was all these... There was a lot of other stuff there, you know?

Gary Clark Jr. 19:34 For sure.

Joe Rogan 19:34 And then there's also the Hollywood feel, which is a different feel, because th- what percentage of those people out there in the audience are in the business, like a giant chunk? At least half.

Gary Clark Jr. 19:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:45 At least half those people out there in that audience are actors, or writers, or producers, or executives, or someone who does something that has to do with the business. Out here, it's just folks.

Gary Clark Jr. 19:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:57 It's just folks.

Gary Clark Jr. 19:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:58 It's better that way.

Gary Clark Jr. 19:59 It really is.

Joe Rogan 20:00 It is.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:00 It's just people who just love the shit.

Joe Rogan 20:02 Yeah. It's just fans. Just comedy fans who just have all kinds of different jobs, all kinds of different things they do with their life.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:09 And they just want to come out and have a good time.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:11 It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Yeah, and it's just, it's magical.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:15 That's very cool.

Joe Rogan 20:16 That's, for me, the absolute best thing that came out of the pandemic. Number one, moving here. Number two, being able to set that place up.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:24 Yeah. Well, I th- I mean, as a f- as a fan, I think that's one of the best things that come out of the pandemic too, so here's... Cheers to you, man.

Joe Rogan 20:31 Thank you, sir.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:32 One year.

Joe Rogan 20:32 Thank you, sir.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:33 Yes, indeed. Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 20:35 Mm. Ah. Oh. Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:40 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 20:40 It's exciting. We thought about doing one somewhere else, but I was like, "You know what we really should do? We should do one for, like, the summer in Montana." Just find some fucked up town in Montana and have people fly into it and just do a mothership in Montana. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 20:53 Montana would be amazing. I love Montana.

Joe Rogan 20:57 (laughs) Montana is amazing.

Gary Clark Jr. 20:58 Montana would... Yeah. That, that would blow up, dude.

Joe Rogan 21:01 Yeah, we're... T- Tony's like, "Don't fucking do it. Don't go to... I'm not going to Montana." I'm like, "Come on." And Duncan was like, "I'll get a house in Montana. Let's go." (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 21:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:11 "Montana's beautiful." Duncan's thinking about doing mushrooms in the fields and staring at the stars.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:17 I'm with Duncan on that.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:18 I'm with that 100%.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:21 So yeah, that'd be cool. You thinking about expanding? Possibly.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Just... That was the only thought, like...

Gary Clark Jr. 21:27 Just-

Joe Rogan 21:27 Just buy some land in Montana, some weird town-

Gary Clark Jr. 21:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:31 ... in Montana and just put a mothership up, see who comes.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:33 Drop the mothership in the middle there.

Joe Rogan 21:34 See who comes. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 21:36 It'd get interesting, man. Montana's-

Joe Rogan 21:38 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:39 It's got some funky cool folks out there.

Joe Rogan 21:40 It does, but you also have a lot of people that travel. That's what's interesting too. That's one of the things we found out about this spot. It's not just, like, people in Austin that are coming to these shows.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:49 There's people traveling from all over the world, so it's like, you could make... It's almost like a little Vegas residency type deal.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:54 Yeah, it's become a destination spot.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 21:56 That's badass.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Yeah, if you could do that to a small funky town in Montana. You only, if you only had like 120 seats, you could get a lot done.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:04 Make it better.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:06 Huh. Well, I'll be there.

Joe Rogan 22:08 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 22:09 I'll be out there trying to learn how to fly fish, and I'll, I'll drop in on you.

Joe Rogan 22:13 Fly fishing is, is kinda fucked up, because they let those fish go most of the time.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:19 I, I... Well, they-

Joe Rogan 22:19 Which is a little weird.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:20 The hippie in me gets that.

Joe Rogan 22:22 I get that too, but the p- the hippie in me says, "Well, why catch them then?" The hippie in me is like, "Well, you're just fucking with these fish."

Gary Clark Jr. 22:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:29 You know what I mean? (laughs) It's like, you're just trying to get the juice, that feeling that you get when you catch a fish.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:35 That wild feel. Ooh.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:36 I'm guilty.

Joe Rogan 22:37 I got them.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:37 I'm guilty.

Joe Rogan 22:38 I got... Ah, me too. I've done it. I've done f- catch and release.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Especially bass fishing.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:42 Ah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Yeah, I mean, everybody catches and releases.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:45 Yeah, absolutely. I got, you know, I got a little s- spot out of my house, and we catch and release every now and then. We'll filet them up, catfish or whatever.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 22:53 We'll fry them up and stuff like that, but for the most part, it's just hanging with my kids and learn how to, you know, be patient.

Joe Rogan 23:00 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 23:01 Tryna teach them how to just chill out.

Joe Rogan 23:03 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 23:03 Like, wait for something. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:05 I know. When is a fish gonna bite?

Gary Clark Jr. 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 When is a fish gonna bite?

Gary Clark Jr. 23:07 When you, when you shut the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 23:09 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 23:09 Chill out.

Joe Rogan 23:11 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 23:11 Th- then, you know, then they'll, they'll come. But yeah. Yeah, that's my next, that's my next quest that I'm probably scared of, 'cause a buddy of mine, Jacob Skiba, he's, uh, the guy I work with in the studio, producer, engineer, um... While we were recording, he went out and, uh, has gone on a couple of fly fishing expeditions, and he's kinda hooked. And so, um, he's like, "You gotta come out there with me," And I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And then-

Joe Rogan 23:37 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 23:37 ... the next thing you know, I quit playing guitar and I'm the guy fly fishing with-

Joe Rogan 23:40 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 23:40 ... the big zoom lens out there in Montana waiting for the mothership to open.

Joe Rogan 23:45 (laughs) Yeah. That's the thing, is like, when people say that they get bored, I'm like, "How can you be bored? There's so many things to do. There's so many things to do in this life."

Gary Clark Jr. 23:53 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 23:53 There's so many things to get interested in. You know, how can you be bored? To me, it's like, my problem is the total opposite. Like t- I just can't have more things-

Gary Clark Jr. 24:03 You're right.

Joe Rogan 24:03 ... than I'm interested in.

Gary Clark Jr. 24:04 Yeah. I, I, I, I'm... I like to get to a feeling where I'm bored, or feel like I have time to be bored, because I can...... you know, invest my time in certain things, like photography or, you know, it gave me an outlet to go chase something down. And, uh, for better or for worse, I feel like fulfilled, like I'm learning a new skill, I'm challenging myself. It's- it's- I'm never (fingers snapping) satisfied.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 24:35 There's so much to know.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Right, right, right.

Gary Clark Jr. 24:37 And there's so much to do. But I'm like a hands-on guy, so it's like, you know, if I'm bored playing guitar, I'll try to figure out something on piano. If I'm bored playing piano, like I have bagpipes.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 24:47 I don't know why I have bagpipes. But just in case I get the time to get bored, maybe I'll figure out how to play bagpipes.

Joe Rogan 24:53 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 24:54 You know? Just weird shit.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Well, there's something about learning a new thing that excites a part of your mind that doesn't get excited any other way.

Gary Clark Jr. 25:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Because once you already know how to do something, then you're just kind of practicing that thing that you already do and you're very comfortable with it. It's a normal thing that you do. But when there's a new thing, it's like, "What? How does this work? What's this lens? What happens when I turn left? Oh, shit."

Gary Clark Jr. 25:14 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 25:14 And then like, "Okay, what is the aperture? What does that mean? Like, what's exposure time? How much, what does it... So at nighttime, you set it different? Like what the fuck is this?"

Gary Clark Jr. 25:22 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:22 And then you start getting into the books and into the weeds, and you know, I got like that with archery. I nerded, nerded out hard-

Gary Clark Jr. 25:30 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:30 ... with archery, so I know so much shit about archery.

Gary Clark Jr. 25:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:33 But there's so many layers to that, too. Like there's people that, like my friend John Dudley, I'll talk to him about things, I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about.

Gary Clark Jr. 25:40 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:40 He's talking about torque lean and, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh torque setting bows, and like, "What?" Torque tuning, "What?"

Gary Clark Jr. 25:48 I- I've- I'm- I've got a, uh, my brother-in-law is really into bow- I think I hit you up, when I was at- when I was over there in Australia, he was like-

Joe Rogan 25:55 Oh, yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 25:56 ... "Hit up Joe and ask him what kind of bow he's using."

Joe Rogan 25:58 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 25:59 And then I was like, but yeah, he's really into that. My mom's real into archery.

Joe Rogan 26:03 Really?

Gary Clark Jr. 26:03 Yeah. My mom, my mom would have caught... I'm gonna put you, I'ma put you out there. My mom doesn't mind being in a smoky room, she started playing drums, and she's into archery now, so...

Joe Rogan 26:14 Wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 26:14 Yeah. Yeah. She's- she's out here getting it.

Joe Rogan 26:18 D- playing drums and shooting bows and arrows?

Gary Clark Jr. 26:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Fuck yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 26:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really badass.

Joe Rogan 26:23 That's badass. Wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 26:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:25 Yeah, archery's an addictive thing too, because w- at the moment when you're aiming at the target and you're at full draw, it's impossible to think of anything else. It requires so much concentration that the world goes away, and you have this like insanely narrow furk- focus. The insanely narrow focus is the place where you want that arrow to go. And all these different things have to be in order. Your scapula has to be aligned, your elbow has to be high, your right arm has to be pulled back, your left arm have to be locked and stabilized, you have to release your hand so you're just pushing with the palm of your hand, no movement of your hand whatsoever, and then you have to relax the shoulder somehow while extending fully, and all the while, you have to fight anxiety. You don't wanna pull it quick.

Gary Clark Jr. 27:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:14 You wanna make sure you just get it locked in there. So when all that is going on, there's nothing else in the world. Like if I'm... I got a lot of things on my mind, I'm too busy, I'm too this, I'm stressed out, I just go out there with some arrows, and then within 20 minutes, I feel great. It's like shoopf, pop.

Gary Clark Jr. 27:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:33 My only time to think about other bullshit is while I'm walking over to the target and getting my arrows.

Gary Clark Jr. 27:37 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Pulling the arrows out, and then back to what I was doing.

Gary Clark Jr. 27:41 Start sprinting to that motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 27:44 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 27:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:45 Yeah, if I could just keep firing tar- uh, never have to go get the arrows-

Gary Clark Jr. 27:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:49 ... there would be no thinking at all.

Gary Clark Jr. 27:50 I get that. I- I can kind of relate that to playing guitar, in a way. You can't, in order to- to, you know, it's kind of a precision thing, your hands gotta work in sync, in coordination, and- and you gotta be precise with it or else it kind of all falls off the rails and you can't really think about anything else. It's not like you can be on the phone and play guitar, it's not like you can send emails back and forth, you can't really be in conversation with people. You just have to be locked in to execute.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 28:22 You know? And- and you know which shots are better than the others, you know which chords are played stronger than the others, you know which notes are- are- are- are gonna sting, you know what I mean? It's like that's the note, you know, bullseye, motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 28:35 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 28:36 I can kind of relate in that way. You can't, like you can't... It's like flow state.

Joe Rogan 28:43 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 28:43 Check out, you know? You gotta be there. You have to put in 100% or else you're not gonna be great, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:49 I think that's, uh, a lot of things in life. I think there's a lot of things in life that people gravitate towards, 'cause I think there's a great value in having a thing that takes the rest of the world away.

Gary Clark Jr. 28:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:59 That thing could be golf, like it is for Jamey, it could be anything, whatever it is. But there's a real value in having a thing that takes the world away.

Gary Clark Jr. 29:08 I think so. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. M- my name would've been, uh, I would have had a lot longer rap sheet if I hadn't found guitar at a young age, I think, you know?

Joe Rogan 29:20 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 29:20 Just being lost, confused.

Joe Rogan 29:22 So many people out there.

Gary Clark Jr. 29:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Yeah, if I hadn't found martial arts, ugh, goddamn. Phew. I have no idea what would've happened to me.

Gary Clark Jr. 29:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:34 It was the only thing that I had ever done that made me feel like I wasn't a loser. I was like, all of a sudden I found a thing that I know-

Gary Clark Jr. 29:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 ... that I can do, and if I just go all in... So when, that's why I have like this problem with addicting- getting addicted to things, 'cause that was like the first one that I really got really addicted to, and then it just sort of like transmuted, it changed just the way I interact with everything.

Gary Clark Jr. 29:57 Did you have a good experience off the bat? Did you notice that you were like a winner immediately?

Joe Rogan 30:03 Not immediately, but pretty quickly.

Gary Clark Jr. 30:06 And that was-

Joe Rogan 30:06 I had an aptitude for it.

Gary Clark Jr. 30:06 ... that kind of drew you back in? Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:08 It just, it was a... I- I understood it.

Gary Clark Jr. 30:11 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:11 I understood like distance, I understood like how to hit things hard. There was like, and there was the exciting thing about it, like you're mo- uh, there's moving targets, they're moving at you, you're moving at them, like this, like solving this puzzle of- of human reflexes and instincts-

Gary Clark Jr. 30:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:27 ... and flinching at 'em and fainting 'em-

Gary Clark Jr. 30:29 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:29 ... getting 'em to react, and then gauging what that reaction is gonna be.... different ways to set things up. It's like it's so multi-layered and multifaceted. And when you're young, you're so fast. Like-

Gary Clark Jr. 30:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:40 ... you can move so quick. It's exciting, and you learn so quick, too.

Gary Clark Jr. 30:44 Sure.

Joe Rogan 30:45 You know?

Gary Clark Jr. 30:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:46 So it's just you see instantaneous reward, that if you're learning something while your body is growing, it's the best, because your body grows into these movements.

Gary Clark Jr. 30:57 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:57 So your body has like a built-in way of doing these things from its... like, literally from the ground up. Once you're a grown man, and you try to teach a grown man, like, kickboxing, that's like, "Oh, okay." You know? (laughs) You're just, like, so accustomed to doing-

Gary Clark Jr. 31:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:15 ... certain things with your legs.

Gary Clark Jr. 31:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:17 You got these grown-ass 30-year-old man legs-

Gary Clark Jr. 31:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:20 ... and I'm gonna try to teach you how to throw a spinning back kick.

Gary Clark Jr. 31:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:22 That's like, "Okay." (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 31:24 Yeah, that's why I haven't signed up yet. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:27 (laughs) It's worth doing it just for fun, though.

Gary Clark Jr. 31:30 Sure.

Joe Rogan 31:31 And it's... That's another thing, like when you're doing that, you ain't thinking about... if you're sparring, or if you're, you know, doing jujitsu training, you're not thinking about anything else. You cannot think about anything else. You're just fully locked in to this thing that you're doing.

Gary Clark Jr. 31:44 Yeah. That makes sense. Man, I wish I'd, uh, grown into my, uh, body while playing basketball, 'cause I'm six-foot-four and a whole waste of space.

Joe Rogan 31:56 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 31:56 I have no skills. I have a 15-foot jumper that I'm pretty confident in, but I have no handles. I'm like, you know, uh, I, I, I just... It's a waste. People ask me, "You play basketball?" Nope.

Joe Rogan 32:11 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 32:12 Didn't get that, and I tried, man. I tried. I had friends who had the shoes where you could, you know, like the... build your calves for jumping, and I was out there doing drills-

Joe Rogan 32:21 I had those stupid things.

Gary Clark Jr. 32:22 ... walking around with weights and all that shit.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 32:24 I was really trying to get there, man, like, got no hops, no court awareness.

Joe Rogan 32:29 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 32:29 It just wasn't my thing, bro. I'm like a deer in headlights on the basketball court. It's embarrassing, bro. But, uh, yeah, I... so I try and get out there with my kid now. He plays basketball, and I'm, I'm struggling. My knees are popping.

Joe Rogan 32:45 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 32:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:46 40-year-old reality.

Gary Clark Jr. 32:47 Yeah, man, like, damn. I didn't... Yeah, that, that wasn't my forte. But hey, it... you can't be everything.

Joe Rogan 32:55 No, you cannot be everything, and if you try to be everything, you'll be nothing.

Gary Clark Jr. 32:59 I agree.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Yeah, you just... it's not... you gotta pick lanes.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:03 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:03 You can have a couple lanes, but you can't have too many. And each lane will take away from the resources that that other lane has available.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:11 I agree. I agree. That's... that's what I try and tell my wife all the time. Like, "I can't focus on that right now."

Joe Rogan 33:19 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:20 I'm trying to stay in my lane.

Joe Rogan 33:21 People, though, don't have to do that, don't understand it. Like, sometimes people come to me with, like, business stuff, and I'm like, "Uh, this is not... I can't talk right now."

Gary Clark Jr. 33:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:30 "I'm, I've got shit going on."

Gary Clark Jr. 33:31 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:31 "I'm busy."

Gary Clark Jr. 33:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:33 "Let's talk about this when it's absolutely necessary and never a minute before."

Gary Clark Jr. 33:37 That part, yeah. Say it again loud for the ones-

Joe Rogan 33:41 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 33:41 ... that didn't have the volume up.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah. Eventually, we could talk about this, but not now.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:47 Seriously, man.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Th- they'll try to talk to you about important shit right before a show.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:51 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 33:52 This is so crazy that you're doing this.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:54 Like, you don't even understand what you're doing. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 33:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Really. Tha- uh-

Joe Rogan 33:59 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 33:59 ... yeah, that's, that's one of my biggest, (laughs) that's one of my biggest, uh, issues with doing shows, um, and, and there's, like, some sort of, you know, b- business element involved.

Joe Rogan 34:12 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:12 'Cause, you know, when you're out just on the road with your touring crew or whatever, there's not that... those conversations. There's not those talks. Everybody kind of gets it-

Joe Rogan 34:20 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:20 ... and reads the room, and you have folks who come in and go, "Hey, I was thinking about this idea with this company, but it's like..." And the tour manager comes in and goes, "Five minutes," and it's like, I'm trying to get my monitors on. I'm trying to-

Joe Rogan 34:31 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:31 ... warm up my voice. I'm trying, you know.

Joe Rogan 34:33 And they're just selfish.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:35 Yeah, it's just-

Joe Rogan 34:36 Captive.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 You're a captive audience.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, "Man, uh, get the fuck up."

Joe Rogan 34:41 I finally got you alone. I wanna talk to you about this cryptocurrency thing.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:44 Yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 34:45 Uh, uh-

Gary Clark Jr. 34:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, thanks.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Uh, uh... (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 34:48 No, no. But, uh, yeah, that's part of... it's, it's part of it, I guess. It's just... it's weird and kind of funny if you think about it.

Joe Rogan 34:55 It is kind of weird.

Gary Clark Jr. 34:56 It's just-

Joe Rogan 34:56 You know?

Gary Clark Jr. 34:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:57 What's all these different personalities are interacting with each other? You know, you have the creative personality, and you have all the business people and the people that are support team.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:05 And it's always... it's, it's an odd relationship.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:09 You know?

Gary Clark Jr. 35:09 Sure. This-

Joe Rogan 35:09 Because whenever you mix business and art, there's just two totally different mindsets.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:14 Yeah. It's... yeah. It's, it's, uh, it's north and north.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yeah, that's why people get real suspicious if an artist gets real business-oriented-

Gary Clark Jr. 35:26 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 35:26 ... starts opening up a bunch of businesses and-

Gary Clark Jr. 35:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:28 ... gets all businessy.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:30 People are like, "Oh, what are you doing?"

Gary Clark Jr. 35:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:33 "What do you... I want you to be a artist."

Gary Clark Jr. 35:35 Yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 35:36 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:36 Mm-hmm. Yeah, well-

Joe Rogan 35:37 That's what I like about you, dummy.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:39 Y- yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:40 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 35:40 That's what I like about you.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:41 I like that you don't know anything, just-

Joe Rogan 35:43 I like that you're out there just being wild.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:46 Have a good fucking time, just-

Gary Clark Jr. 35:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 And have a bunch of people that do that shit for you, man.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:49 Not-

Joe Rogan 35:49 Don't get involved.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:50 That's the, that's the scary part when they start saying, "Don't worry about that. Just be an artist."

Joe Rogan 35:55 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:55 It's like, "Nah, motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 35:57 "I'm gonna be at your office tomorrow-

Joe Rogan 35:58 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 35:58 ... early in the morning."

Joe Rogan 35:59 (laughs) Let me see that spreadsheet.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:01 Yeah, what's going on?

Joe Rogan 36:02 (laughs) Yeah, well, that's a true... that's a, that's a good story as old as time, the artist that's been ripped off-

Gary Clark Jr. 36:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:08 ... didn't even know they were getting ripped off.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:11 It's, it's definitely true.

Joe Rogan 36:13 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:13 I- it's, you know, I... there's, there's things that I've had to learn in the, in the business, you know, um, not to get into too much, but yeah, there's definitely things that you aren't looking for or looking out for, and people don't necessarily tell you because you're not able to be in those rooms, to-

Joe Rogan 36:32 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:32 ... have those conversations, so things kind of slip by you. It's like you and your homies trying to figure this out.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:38 You know? It's like your, your boy who's an attorney who-... you know, went to UNLV but doesn't know anything about entertainment law. It's like, you know, doing your contract-

Joe Rogan 36:47 Oh, no.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:47 ... it's like, "Oh." You know what I'm saying? It's like, "Uh."

Joe Rogan 36:50 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 36:51 You know? So there's just things that, that, that you gotta figure out. But you just gotta keep your eyes and ears open and, and ask questions, and, and-

Joe Rogan 37:00 The worst one is when someone has a, like, legit manager, and then their friend is like, "Bro, I can be your fucking manager."

Gary Clark Jr. 37:07 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 37:09 And you're like, "Yeah, man, you know, you're like a brother to me, man. I trust you." (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 37:14 Right. Right. Yeah. That's the, that's, that's it.

Joe Rogan 37:18 That one goes sideways 50% of the time.

Gary Clark Jr. 37:20 That's it.

Joe Rogan 37:21 Five-zero. You got a one, (laughs) one outta two chance-

Gary Clark Jr. 37:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... of that thing going completely sideways.

Gary Clark Jr. 37:27 Yep, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 37:29 And so many guys go that way, you know, "Oh, Mike's managing me now. I got a new manager."

Gary Clark Jr. 37:34 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 37:34 "It's my wife, my wife's managing me." I'm like, "What? What are you doing?"

Gary Clark Jr. 37:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:39 (laughs) Get a professional.

Gary Clark Jr. 37:40 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Get someone who knows what the fuck they're doing.

Gary Clark Jr. 37:43 Yeah, absolutely, man. Th- the, that, all that bro shit, you know? That, you know, when things start to get funny.

Joe Rogan 37:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 37:53 You know, when that relationship starts to get funny, but yeah, I, I get that.

Joe Rogan 37:55 That's also how dudes develop entourages. That's a wild one.

Gary Clark Jr. 37:59 Man, speaking of entourages, I had to talk a, I had to just tell (coughs) my dad is going crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Oh, no.

Gary Clark Jr. 38:08 I love my pops, but, I mean, he shows up to my shows, and this dude all of a sudden is sitting courtside at Spurs games.

Joe Rogan 38:18 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 38:20 He shows up to my shows with, like, 30 folks, 30 deep. He's got a table at the Moody Theater. He's living his best life. He's just squatted up around town.

Joe Rogan 38:27 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 38:27 People talk to me about him all the time. My dad is out here getting it in Austin, Texas. It's pretty funny.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 38:33 But yeah, he's like, my pop's just a superstar out here.

Joe Rogan 38:36 That's awesome.

Gary Clark Jr. 38:36 So yeah, it's good. He's having a good time.

Joe Rogan 38:39 Just having fun?

Gary Clark Jr. 38:39 Yeah, enjoying it.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 38:41 You know? It's, it's definitely en- enjoying, uh, having a, a kid who's known around town, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:50 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 38:51 That's good.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Oh, man, he must be so proud.

Gary Clark Jr. 38:53 But yeah, it's, he's, he's getting a little bit ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 38:56 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 38:58 Showing up 10, 15 deep.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Entourage.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:00 "Hit me up, hit me up. Hey, man, can you get me into this spot?"

Joe Rogan 39:03 Uh...

Gary Clark Jr. 39:03 "How many people you got?" "Oh, a couple." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:07 When Dave rolled, when Dave Chappelle came to the Mothership, he came with three SUVs. (laughs) He's got, he had, like, three Escalades full of people. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 39:17 Where did it go, how do you fit anywhere?

Joe Rogan 39:19 Oh, man, he's got family, he's got friends, he's got fello- fellow comedians, musicians. Like, he just travels with people. He loves it. It's like a party-

Gary Clark Jr. 39:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:27 ... everywhere he goes.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:28 I get that.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:29 I, I understand that. It's a lot.

Joe Rogan 39:31 See, he has it managed well. He has good people with him.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:34 He does.

Joe Rogan 39:34 He knows, he knows what he's doing. But it's like, the way he's got it set up is, it's pretty fun.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:39 It's just, it's all just, every day's a good time. Get a, get a IV (laughs) , vitamin IV drip.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:46 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 39:46 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 39:47 I, I w- I was around for that.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 39:49 I was, I was around. Yeah, we actually... Yeah. Yeah, I was definitely around for some of those fun times. It's, it's good hanging with those, that crew.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Yeah. But that's a good, that's the dude who has an entourage.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:01 He has an entourage.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:02 I get that.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:03 I get it. Um, but yeah, I could never be that guy. I like to roll solo. Um, I like to just kinda be on my... I can make my own decisions. If I wanna pivot-

Joe Rogan 40:13 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:13 ... go left, I can go left. If I wanna go right, I can go right.

Joe Rogan 40:16 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:16 I don't necessarily have to... Maybe that's selfish of me, and kind of a lone wolf thing, but-

Joe Rogan 40:21 No, it's probably smart because it gives you time to think. I think the problem with Dave is he's so famous, he can't be alone.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:27 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:27 He just can't-

Gary Clark Jr. 40:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:28 He can't just show up somewhere. He'll, uh, all of a sudden he won't be alone. It'll, there'll be a giant crowd of people like, "Oh my gosh, Dave Chappelle."

Gary Clark Jr. 40:34 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 40:34 They'll just go crazy.

Gary Clark Jr. 40:35 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 40:36 "Can't believe you're real."

Gary Clark Jr. 40:37 I get that.

Joe Rogan 40:38 "Uh, can I take a picture with you?" And then...

Gary Clark Jr. 40:40 I get the every now and then, uh, dude who plays guitar who's like, "Man, I've been watching you for, you know, since I was a kid." Or the, like, really drunk, like, older lady who-

Joe Rogan 40:53 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 40:54 ... wants to, like, kiss on me, you know-

Joe Rogan 40:56 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 40:56 ... while I'm hanging out waiting for some to-go food or whatever. It's, like, that's kind of my-

Joe Rogan 41:02 Mm.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:02 That's, that's my interaction.

Joe Rogan 41:04 That's good. That's a good level of interaction.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:06 Yeah, yes, that's good.

Joe Rogan 41:07 A certain level, like a Dave Chappelle level, I think it becomes unmanageable.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:11 Like, I was having a conversation with Katt, Katt Williams about that. Like, he, uh, I asked him to come to the club. He's like, "I, I don't do clubs. Like, I just get nervous being around all those people. Like, they're too close to me."

Gary Clark Jr. 41:21 Ah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 I was like, "You got too famous."

Gary Clark Jr. 41:22 Yep.

Joe Rogan 41:23 "You got too famous."

Gary Clark Jr. 41:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:25 He has to have an entourage.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:27 Uh, yeah, I mean, I get that. I get that. That's a perspective that I don't know anything about.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:32 You know? Just speaking from a dude who, you know, a small community of music folks.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:37 You know? I can move around. But, um...

Joe Rogan 41:40 It's perfect.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:41 Yeah, it's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 41:42 Where you're at's perfect.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:43 I know. It's like-

Joe Rogan 41:44 It's a-

Gary Clark Jr. 41:44 It's good. But I want these people to buy millions and millions of records-

Joe Rogan 41:48 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 41:48 ... and fill up arenas, you know?

Joe Rogan 41:51 At the same time.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:52 Right, exactly.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 41:53 So I think I've kind of s- you know, fucked myself. I was like, I should've gone, like, the Gorillaz route or, like, Daft Punk, or something like that where you're in a mask, or-

Joe Rogan 42:02 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 42:02 You know what I mean? And then you can just show up anywhere.

Joe Rogan 42:05 That's true, right? Gorillaz can just hide.

Gary Clark Jr. 42:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Kiss had that forever.

Gary Clark Jr. 42:10 Sure. Right.

Joe Rogan 42:11 You know? I remember when Kiss took their makeup off, everybody was like, "Oh."

Gary Clark Jr. 42:15 What year was that?

Joe Rogan 42:16 Like, the '80s, I think.

Gary Clark Jr. 42:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:19 I think it was the '80s. It was Kiss unmasked.

Gary Clark Jr. 42:22 I couldn't imagine, like, "Oh, oh my God."

Joe Rogan 42:25 They used to be able to go around town. So they would go out and, like, they would, like... I remember Gene Simmons was dating Cher, and he- he would go out, but he'd put a bandana on like he was during COVID times.

Gary Clark Jr. 42:36 Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Yeah. So everybody was like, "Oh, we almost got a picture of him." So it was, like, half blurry pictures of someone's side of their face with their hand up, "That's all you gotta Kiss forever."

Gary Clark Jr. 42:46 That's cool. I, I kinda miss those days and that mystique.

Joe Rogan 42:48 You have a comic for it? Does that look right?

Gary Clark Jr. 42:51 (laughs) Yeah, see how he's wearing the bandana? That's how he used to go around town. He used to wear a bandana.

Joe Rogan 42:56 1980.

Gary Clark Jr. 42:56 You know how ridiculous that is? It was 1980?

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:00 ... I think that's cool.

Joe Rogan 43:00 Yeah, I was in- I was, like, going into high school when they did that.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:05 Oh, damn.

Joe Rogan 43:07 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 43:08 (laughs) What a crew, man. What a-

Narrator 43:13 Oh, wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:13 ... talk about-

Joe Rogan 43:13 They didn't get the love they deserved because people had already thought it was corny to have makeup on, for some reason. They didn't have real hit records that were like, they, their songs didn't play on the radio that much. If they played on the radio, it was rare.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:25 You don't think so? Well, I, I, I kinda grew up with Kiss being a household name already.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Yeah, well they were huge. They sold millions of records, they sold out arenas, but they weren't getting love on the radio.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:40 Huh.

Joe Rogan 43:40 It was just fans. And there was a thing that were like, people would be embarrassed to be a Kiss fan.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:45 Really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:46 Yeah, yeah. You'd be embarrassed-

Gary Clark Jr. 43:48 What-

Joe Rogan 43:48 ... other kids would make fun of you.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:49 Why?

Joe Rogan 43:50 'Cause you like those idiots with makeup on?

Gary Clark Jr. 43:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:52 What the fuck is wrong with you? Like, "Bro, Kiss is the shit." (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 43:56 That doesn't even seem like a thing n- now at all.

Joe Rogan 43:58 I mean, now it's not.

Gary Clark Jr. 43:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:59 But you have to realize, like, in the 1980s, it was a thing.

Gary Clark Jr. 44:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:03 Yeah. People would mock you-

Gary Clark Jr. 44:04 Huh.

Joe Rogan 44:04 ... that you, if you're into Kiss.

Gary Clark Jr. 44:06 Damn.

Joe Rogan 44:07 And then they became cool again. They came, became cool again somewhere in the '90s when they started going on tour again with makeup.

Gary Clark Jr. 44:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:13 So they were gonna do like one last final tour, they decided, but that was bullshit, they just kept going.

Gary Clark Jr. 44:18 Everyone does a last tour.

Joe Rogan 44:20 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 44:21 It's just last, last, last, last.

Joe Rogan 44:23 That's those marketing guys. "I'll tell you what, Gary."

Gary Clark Jr. 44:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 "This is your final tour." That's what they're gonna say. He doesn't have to be the final tour, but we'll sell it as your final tour.

Gary Clark Jr. 44:30 Yeah, yeah. We're gonna milk the shit out of this market. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:31 People, people are gonna love it.

Narrator 44:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:33 They're gonna be very excited to go see the last time... Gary's gonna become a photographer."

Gary Clark Jr. 44:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:39 "He- he's just really gotten into photography and we're gonna have to respect that."

Narrator 44:41 "Yeah, we're gonna have to respect his wishes."

Joe Rogan 44:43 "But this is his last tour."

Gary Clark Jr. 44:45 Yep.

Narrator 44:45 Don't, Gary, don't quit.

Gary Clark Jr. 44:46 Yeah.

Narrator 44:46 Don't go into pictures. Don't go..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:51 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 44:51 (laughs)

Narrator 44:51 "Don't go into photography-"

Gary Clark Jr. 44:53 Don't go into pictures. (laughs)

Narrator 44:53 "... Gary. Don't do it."

Gary Clark Jr. 44:55 (coughs) Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 44:56 But it's just... Kiss, so Kiss came back in the '90s, and I went to see 'em with Kevin James. Me and Kevin James went to see Kiss when they came back. We were like, "This is amazing."

Gary Clark Jr. 45:05 Was that in Hollywood?

Joe Rogan 45:06 I think it was. I think it was in LA.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:08 That must've been crazy.

Joe Rogan 45:08 I think we saw 'em in LA. It was incredible. It was incredible.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 With the makeup on, all the shit. Fire.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:13 Awesome, man. Those guys really turned, uh, rock and roll into like entertainment.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:21 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 45:22 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:22 Like, it was every single aspect of the show, from the costumes to the pyro, the timing, the crazy antics, the just... I mean, and then selling it like this big huge thing with the merch-

Joe Rogan 45:35 Uh-huh.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:36 ... and the dolls-

Joe Rogan 45:36 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:36 ... and the crazy shit, it was like... I mean, it was, it was... They, they made it known that Kiss was a fucking thing.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 45:45 And they had the fans, I guess, to, to, to push it. But I, that's-

Joe Rogan 45:48 They had a one-hour-long TV show-

Gary Clark Jr. 45:52 Oh, I don't know that.

Joe Rogan 45:53 ... where it was like a movie, like a made for TV movie. It was Kiss and The Phantom of the Park.

Gary Clark Jr. 46:00 (laughs) I don't know nothing about-

Joe Rogan 46:01 And it was like, this is... And in the middle of it, like three-quarters of the way into the show, the fucking power went out at my house. I was like, "No."

Gary Clark Jr. 46:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:10 I can't believe this. I can't believe it shut off. It just, the power shut off. I was like, "This is so fucked." This is Kiss and The Phantom of the Park. It was like a real corny made-for-TV movie.

Gary Clark Jr. 46:23 How long were you waiting for this stuff?

Joe Rogan 46:25 (laughs)

Narrator 46:26 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 46:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:26 Well, when you're a Kiss fan, first of all, you had to find out from like the newspaper.

Gary Clark Jr. 46:30 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:31 You know? Like how did you even know? Or you had to read the TV Guide, like, "What?"

Gary Clark Jr. 46:35 For sure.

Joe Rogan 46:35 "Kiss has got a movie?"

Gary Clark Jr. 46:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:37 And it was maybe the dumbest movie that's ever been made.

Narrator 46:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:41 It's pretty dumb. It's so dumb. And you, like look at this. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 46:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:45 It's so corny.

Gary Clark Jr. 46:46 Oh, y-

Joe Rogan 46:46 I mean, I might have to go back and watch it now. It's so corny. It's literally so ridiculous. It's so bad.

Gary Clark Jr. 46:57 So (laughs) so they're out here whooping ass? What are they fighting crime or what?

Joe Rogan 47:00 Oh, yeah, they were, they were superheroes. They became superheroes for a while.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:03 I did not know this.

Narrator 47:04 Easy, cat men, they are serious.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:06 (laughs)

Narrator 47:06 And they've got guns. This is ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Oh, it was so ridiculous.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:12 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:12 It was one of the dumbest movies that's ever been made.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:14 I, some of, my, I, my favorite shit to watch is the dumbest shit, so I would enjoy this.

Joe Rogan 47:18 This is so dumb, it might've been made by the Chinese. They might have done it to subvert American institutions. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 47:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:26 They might have done it to try to ruin young minds.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:30 I...

Joe Rogan 47:30 And just lower the standards of what's acceptable to the point where, you know, they could invade. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 47:37 Uh, I mean, that's a power move for sure.

Joe Rogan 47:39 That's a pow- that's what they're doing right now.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:41 That's a power move. Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:43 That's what they're doing right now with TikTok.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:44 (sighs) Man.

Joe Rogan 47:46 I firmly believe that.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:47 I-

Joe Rogan 47:48 Russia and China are just fucking us sideways.

Gary Clark Jr. 47:50 I, I'll tell you right now, man, I've been having conversations about, you know, music and sharing music. And the way to be on i- is, is TikTok, like, it's the way to like get everybody to this-

Joe Rogan 48:02 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:02 ... crazy, fucked up weird place. It's like, it's nasty in there.

Joe Rogan 48:08 Well, it's something that people are not designed to manage. They don't know how to manage it, they don't know what that experience is. It's new to the human anatomy.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:16 To have something that you're staring at, that you keep in your pocket, that carries 20 hours of battery life, and you're flipping through things all day long, just giving a little tiny drip of dopamine every time. Bleep, bleep.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Bleep, bleep. Not much, just enough to keep you interested, and just flipping through that fucking phone all day long. It's changing the way people view things, it's changing what's acceptable.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:38 Yeah, absolutely. I, I've noticed that it, that it changed me when we were sitting down for a little while, 'cause I was just in my phone.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:45 That was the only way that I was getting information. I wasn't hanging out with people.

Joe Rogan 48:48 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:49 And-

Joe Rogan 48:49 It changes your anxiety levels.

Gary Clark Jr. 48:51 I, that's what I realized. I realize- it, it changed my anxiety levels. I was not sleeping, I was drinking a lot more than I normally would-

Joe Rogan 48:59 Hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:00 ... just 'cause I was like overthinking shit.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:03 You know?... at all.

Joe Rogan 49:04 That was COVID, too, though. The isolation.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:06 I mean that's, uh, uh, I'm not saying that this is what they did, but if you wanted to do that, if you wanted to turn a population into a bunch of cowards, one of the best ways is to isolate everybody.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Isolate everybody, get them scared, give them one solution to get out of this thing. Everybody else against that solution is the enemy and they're going to stop us from getting back to normal.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:25 Oh, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 49:26 And that's, and that, you could do that through social media, especially through Twitter better than you can with anything. And it's just, e- e- it's just w- it's a weird way to get information just say- I l- I broke my phone once. I was in Hawaii with my family and I dropped my phone. It just started ph- making phone calls. Just it would, I would go, "Look at this." I was showing my wife. I go, "Look at this." I hang up, call someone else, hang up, call someone e- just calling people. W- wouldn't stop calling people. So I had to shut it off and I had to get a new phone, but it took three days for the phone to get there.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:55 So for three days I had no phone, 'cause every time I turned on my phone, I would just start calling people.

Gary Clark Jr. 49:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:59 So for three whole days, I had no phone and it was, I was like, "Ooh, I feel so much better." And then I, and then part of me was like, "You know what? Fuck phones. You should just have a phone and have nothing on." Nope, nope, went right back to it.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:13 (laughs) Right back to Instagram.

Narrator 50:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:14 Right back to Twitter. Right back to YouTube.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:17 I know.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Right back to Google.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:18 I know. I-

Joe Rogan 50:19 Right back.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:20 I know. I did the same shit.

Joe Rogan 50:22 One person sends me a meme. Oh, shit.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:24 Yeah. It's over.

Joe Rogan 50:25 Yeah. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 50:25 It's, it's over. Yeah. You're back in the game, man.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Someone sends me a funny video. I got to sign back up for Instagram. All right.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:32 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Let me see this. Oh, shit.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:33 Yeah. I got your same problem.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:35 I, I got your same problem. I, I gotta just, I have to consciously just leave it in places.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Yeah. Well, I have one phone that has nothing on it. I have one phone that has no apps, doesn't have anything on it. So if someone sends me ... I gotta send a link to my other phone.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:50 Nice. There you go.

Joe Rogan 50:51 And most of the time I don't click that link.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:53 There's the hack.

Joe Rogan 50:54 That's the hack. It at least has cut me back about 30% for sure.

Gary Clark Jr. 50:58 That's good.

Joe Rogan 50:58 30% of paying attention to shit.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:00 Unless someone says, "You, you have to see this. This is insane."

Gary Clark Jr. 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 And I'll, "Okay." I could use a-

Gary Clark Jr. 51:05 That's good.

Joe Rogan 51:05 ... 30%. Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:06 That's good.

Joe Rogan 51:07 I'll use some of my 30% now.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:08 I'm gonna use that.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:09 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 51:10 That way also you can cut down on the amount of people that have your phone phone. You got your phone, then you got your phone phone.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:17 And the phone phone is like, this is the one that like 20 people have. That's the way to go.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:22 Yeah. I was doing that for a while. When I lived in New York, I was, I had, I was, I was doing that. And then I just got, I was wearing skinny jeans-

Joe Rogan 51:30 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 51:30 ... and I couldn't do the skinny jean two phone thing.

Joe Rogan 51:33 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 51:33 And my wallet and my keys.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:35 I just, it was ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 51:36 You need to accept the fanny pack in your life.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:38 Well, look.

Joe Rogan 51:41 (laughs) Ah, the satchel.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:42 I've showed up with the satchel, bro.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 51:44 I'm, I'm, I'm converted, so ...

Joe Rogan 51:45 The satchel is the artist version of the fanny pack. The fanny pack is saying, "I don't give a fuck."

Gary Clark Jr. 51:51 I'm not g- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:52 The fanny pack is like, "I'm a nerd, I'm a loser, I don't care. I do not care."

Gary Clark Jr. 51:58 I'm not ready for that yet, Joe.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Well, in Texas, you see people carrying fanny packs. A lot of those fanny packs have guns in them, especially those big ones.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:07 Oh, yeah. I know where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 52:09 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 52:09 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 52:10 (laughs) Yeah, I know where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 52:12 There's a reason you see that dude with a fucking Bass Pro Shop hat and a fucking flannel T-shirt on.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:18 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Yeah, that guy.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:19 With that fanny pack.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:23 Yeah, yeah. Don't try.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Origin boots on. Yeah, that dude, that's, there's something in that. That's a heavy fanny pack.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:29 I just see them cats and I just go ...

Joe Rogan 52:31 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:31 "Hey."

Joe Rogan 52:31 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 52:32 "Get out of here."

Joe Rogan 52:34 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 52:34 "Good day."

Joe Rogan 52:35 (laughs) That's why I see people out here getting r- ... I saw some dude getting road rage the other night at South by Southwest.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:40 Bro.

Joe Rogan 52:42 Bro, this guy jumped out of his car, ran to the car in front of him, started yelling at the driver. I was like, "Do not do that, sir. I do not want to watch you get shot."

Gary Clark Jr. 52:50 You gotta, they gotta be from out of town 'cause you can't do-

Joe Rogan 52:52 South by Southwest.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:53 You c- yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:55 That, you can't do road rage here, bro.

Joe Rogan 52:56 No.

Gary Clark Jr. 52:57 You cannot.

Joe Rogan 52:58 No. It goes south too quick.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:00 People don't fuck around out here.

Joe Rogan 53:02 They don't fuck around and they also don't know you. They don't know what ... They, they watch too much YouTube too.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:06 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 53:06 They're watching too much Instagram too. They're seeing all the fucking riots and craziness-

Gary Clark Jr. 53:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:10 ... and people getting pulled out of their cars. Everyone's seen those videos of someone getting fucked up in a, some sort of a dr- road rage situation.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:16 Yeah. An- any, any sense of a threat, people are-

Joe Rogan 53:19 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:20 ... hair triggered like real quick.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Road rage in particular, because everybody's a, people don't understand that. I've said this ad nauseam, but I'll say it again. When you're in a car, you're hyper-alert because you're going fast, there's all these things around you, and you always have to be ready. So your brain is at a seven already.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:36 So when someone cuts you off, it's like, "Motherfucker." That's why like on the street, if someone gets in front of you on the street, it means nothing, 'cause you don't have to worry about crashing.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:44 Sure.

Joe Rogan 53:45 There's no fear of this person stepping in front of you. It means nothing.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Like I have no worry that I'm gonna crash into this man in front of me and we're both gonna die.

Gary Clark Jr. 53:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:53 But when you're in a car and some guy changes lanes in front of you, you're like, "Motherfucker, dude. What are you doing, bitch?"

Gary Clark Jr. 53:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:59 You roll down the window, "You fucking idiot." And then you see him at the stop sign, you jump outta your car. Oh, dude. Don't do it.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:06 Yeah. I, I, I, I'm, I'm guilty of ... (sighs) Yeah. I'm, I'm in my, I'm yelling at people in my car.

Joe Rogan 54:14 As long as you stay in the car.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:15 I've, I, but, yeah, I'd, I'll, will motherfuck somebody with-

Joe Rogan 54:19 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:20 ... their windows up.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Yes.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:21 Right?

Joe Rogan 54:21 That's fine.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:22 But, uh ...

Joe Rogan 54:23 Normal.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:23 And then it-

Joe Rogan 54:23 That's normal behavior.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:24 Yeah. And then I get to the light and I just give them a look like ...

Joe Rogan 54:28 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:29 You know I saw what you did. I'm just acknowledging-

Joe Rogan 54:31 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:32 ... that I'm not down with the bullshit.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:36 I just want you to know that I saw you.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:39 I don't want no problems.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:40 But just check, check.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Come on, man.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:42 It's a check.

Joe Rogan 54:43 It's a, come on, man.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:44 Yes. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:44 And if it's a reasonable person, that person's like, "What the fuck did I do that for?"

Gary Clark Jr. 54:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 If it's a reasonable person.

Gary Clark Jr. 54:49 My favorite though is when they just keep looking forward.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 54:56 (laughs) I, I know you can feel this. I know you can feel this.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Yeah. Well, it's interesting watching the Texas culture get invaded by the California culture.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:06 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 55:06 You can see it in how they drive.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:09 The people that are cutting people off and, you know, f- uh, rushing to nowhere.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 You see it in how they drive.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:14 I notice it. I avoid-

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:16 I avoid certain streets-

Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:18 ... based on that.

Joe Rogan 55:19 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 55:20 So I'm like, "Where the fuck did y'all come from, man?"

Joe Rogan 55:23 Well, that was South by Southwest. South by Southwest, basically, like, LA comes to Austin.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:28 You know?

Gary Clark Jr. 55:28 Yeah, yeah. I, yeah, I stayed away for the most part. I had a couple of, of, of events during South by, but, uh, um, I, I love my city, but that shit has just gotten crazy, man. It's-

Joe Rogan 55:43 Those festivals are nuts.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:45 It's w- it's wild-

Joe Rogan 55:46 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 55:46 ... you know? I, I used to have this one parking spot that people thought was a, was, um, a handicapped spot, but it was... it wasn't. It was, uh, like, right on the line. And I figured this out from years of spending way too much time wandering around on 6th Street. And I remember one year, they took that spot away, and I was driving around for, like, an hour and a half looking for parking-

Joe Rogan 56:08 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 56:08 ... saying, like, "Fuck this place, man. This ain't my city no more." Like...

Joe Rogan 56:13 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 56:13 Dude. I love you, Austin. But yeah, I was like, "Oh, man, the game has definitely changed." Um...

Joe Rogan 56:17 While we were driving to the club last night, we looked up, we saw five skyscrapers being built.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:22 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:22 There's five skyscrapers-

Gary Clark Jr. 56:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 ... being built right now.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:25 All tho- I know all those folks who were building all that stuff, I, I know them. They're, like, my neighbors and shit. So they're like, "Come blow the city up and then come back to..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:36 (laughs) Go back to the country again.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's so many-

Gary Clark Jr. 56:40 It's happening.

Joe Rogan 56:40 ... apartment buildings being built.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:41 It's happening.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Yeah, it's wild. I've never seen a city grow like this.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:46 I haven't either. I haven't either. But, uh, I, I think it was inevitable. I mean, I think it was just one of them things that-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Well, it's too good.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:55 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 It's just too much of a gem.

Gary Clark Jr. 56:57 It's... I blame you a little bit.

Joe Rogan 56:58 A little bit?

Gary Clark Jr. 56:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:00 I'm responsible? (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 57:02 (laughs) Uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:02 I know I'm responsible for at least 20 or 30 comedians.

Gary Clark Jr. 57:05 Yeah, no, absolutely, which is, um, uh, which is amazing because, you know, that's my favorite shit is you guys being down the street. I can come hang. Um, but yeah, it's... The, the city has grown, um, in a way that is somewhat unrecognizable to me. Like, everything that I kinda grew up o- on, grew up with is, all my spots I used to hang out in are gone now. And, uh, so I was saying something to my old man the other day, and he was like, "Man, shut the fuck up." He's like, "I've been here my whole life. And what do you think that I think, and what do you think that I've seen?" It's just change is inevitable. If you look at pictures from 1836, it's not the same spot.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 57:46 You know what I mean? So...

Joe Rogan 57:47 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 57:48 It's, it just... it's what's happening right now. It's a crazy time to be a part of it and see it up close, you know, 'cause I'm watching my little town, seeing familiar faces. All of a sudden, it's like this new energy. There's new folks around. There's new business. There's a new business sense here. There's a... it's, it's cool, and funny, and funky. It's just change happening. I'm in the middle of watching it. That's cool.

Joe Rogan 58:12 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:13 I was hanging out with Elon at the very beginning of the pandemic-

Gary Clark Jr. 58:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:16 ... like, when everyone was scared to be inside. And, uh, I was telling him my plans to open up the club and all that stuff.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:22 And we, we were just talking about Austin, and he's like, "Austin's gonna go supernova."

Gary Clark Jr. 58:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Yeah. He was right.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:28 Y- yeah, he was right.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:30 Called it.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Yeah, he called it.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:31 It's-

Joe Rogan 58:31 But it's still manageable. It's still n- ... like, the traffic is nothing compared to LA.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:36 Man, I'm... I, I like it. I like that there's new shit here, you know?

Joe Rogan 58:44 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:44 In the city that I grew up in, when you're looking for some excitement, it's like it comes to you.

Joe Rogan 58:49 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:49 You don't have to go look for it, you know?

Joe Rogan 58:51 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 58:51 I'ma just get in my car and come see some new shit, you know? It's, um, it's, it's exciting for me.

Joe Rogan 59:00 I also-

Gary Clark Jr. 59:00 It's all my favorite stuff happening around here too.

Joe Rogan 59:02 I think it's good. I think it's overall good. And also, I think that the people that are moving here are embracing this new life. They're embracing like a n- ... it's a new city. It's a new vibe, a new way of behaving.

Gary Clark Jr. 59:15 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 59:16 People are more friendly.

Gary Clark Jr. 59:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:17 So I think people adapt to that. When people move to an environment, they adapt to that environment, you know? They move to this town. They sort of take up the energy of the town th- ... and this town already has, like, an established energy.

Gary Clark Jr. 59:31 Yeah. I, I'm a little s- ... I'm still concerned about the driving, though.

Joe Rogan 59:36 'Cause they're getting aggressive?

Gary Clark Jr. 59:38 Well, yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 59:40 Different, they drive differently.

Gary Clark Jr. 59:40 It's a little different.

Joe Rogan 59:41 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 59:42 It's a little different. But yeah, I mean, uh, yeah, you, you move to a place that you love the energy a- a- I suppose.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 59:49 It takes a little while to adapt. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm just watching it happen. I'm watching it happen. It's, it's cool to me.

Joe Rogan 59:57 The tech people I worry about more than anybody 'cause they're not artists. Like, the tech people moving here, that ... what they've done to San Francisco. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Like, those people with that ... those wacky-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 ... woke ideas.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:08 I'm not even thinking about that, yeah. That's different.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 That scares the shit out of me 'cause there's a lot of them. I mean, look at that giant-ass fucking building that they built. That's a Google building, right, or a Facebook building? Which one is it? Both of them. Which one's the Sail, that cool Sail? The Sail is Google. Google.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Th- they put a giant-ass building right on the lake.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:24 (sighs) I don't even know if I noticed that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 It's a giant-ass building right on Cesar Chavez. But then they just fired like 15,000 people, so I think that place is mostly, like, vacant.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:34 Uh, uh, w- did, did they just overshoot?

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 I think they oversho- ... that's it. That's Sail.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:40 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 That's a dope building.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:41 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 That's a dope building.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:44 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Um, so I think they overshot, and I also think, um, the reality is AI is coming.And there's so many people-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 ... that are working in tech that will not have a job in five years.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:00:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 The job will be nonsense. They'll be like, you know, asking a person to make steel beams in his backyard with a fucking, a hammer, and a pot. Like-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 ... no. Why would we do it that way? That's a stupid way to do it.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 We have steel mills, stupid.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Like, wh- why would I let you make your own girders?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 You know, that's dumb.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:18 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 It's dumb. It doesn't make any sense. Like, what we can do now, AI is gonna be able to do better, more efficiently, much quicker, cheaper.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 No hiring people. No worrying about insurance or any of that shit that you have to worry about with people, 401K plans. (imitates chomping sound)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:35 Yeah, all that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 All that shit's gone.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:01:37 Out of here.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 And this is something that Andrew Yang was talking about when he was running for president in, I guess it was 2020. He was talking about that. And he was right. He was right, that there's some things that are hap-... Was that 2020 or 2016 with Andrew Yang? I don't remember.

Narrator 1:01:54 '16.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 '16. And, uh, he was very concerned even back then. So this is eight years ago. He was saying like, "AI is coming." And when it co-... That's why he was pushing for universal basic in-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:05 Oh, correction. Sorry, 2020.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 2020. So that's why he was book, um, pushing for universal basic income. He was saying, "Look, there's gonna be so many people that there are no jobs." Like, if you're a truck driver-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 ... you have 10 years. In 10 years, everything will be automated.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 There'll all be those giant electric trucks.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 They'll all be run by a computer. They'll never get in accidents, and they never get tired, and then you, you never have to worry about them doing meth, and picking up hookers-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 ... going crazy. Falling asleep at the wheel and-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:36 Oh, come on.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 ... driving into a fair.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:38 That's what makes the best COPS episodes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 That's a world, huh? That truck driver world.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 That's a world of wild folks.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:48 Well, you know, I, we, we tour on buses, and we got to fuel up in the same places where they do.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:02:55 And, uh, yeah, it's a f- it's a f- it's a funky world out there.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 It's a funky world.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 A lot of dudes on amphetamines doing 12, 13-hour runs, just wide eyes-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 ... huge pupils.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Just s- listen-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:07 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 ... to the fucking conspiracy theories on the radio.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:10 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:10 We had one of them drive us.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Did you? Yeah?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Ugh.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:15 Yeah. Crashed the bus.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Oh no, really?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:17 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, not crash the bus, but like, kind of ran the bus into a... He, he b- ruined the bus. He was all doped up and super drunk and...

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 Oh, no.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:29 Yeah, we didn't realize he was going through any of this type of stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 (sighs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:34 So we were leaving a gig one night and sure enough, he pulled the bus, crashed it into the gate.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Oh, no.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:40 Had to grab this motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 So he was fucked up at the gig?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 So he got fucked up while the show was going on?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:46 Yeah, I guess he-

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 And he'd been drinking.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:47 I j- he'd just been going for, I guess, maybe a bend or... He had a couple of days off, I think-

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Uh...

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:52 ... in a certain city and the dude was just gone. I guess he just-

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Oh.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:57 ... got into it and said, "Fuck it."

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:03:59 He just hit the fuck it button and was like, "Man, fuck all this shit. I don't care."

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 (laughs) Yeah, that's a danger, right, because you're just trusting this dude and it's not like you're gonna drug test him every day.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:11 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 He's a driver. You trust him. He's a professional.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:14 Yeah. He's had... He's got a resume people have-

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:16 ... recommended him for, you know, years and years and years.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 He does his job. You do your job.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 "How you doing, Frank? You want to sit down on the bus?"

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Meanwhile, Frank is just gone.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:26 Nah, we didn't, we didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Do, do, do, do.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:28 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Do, do, do, do, do, do. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Frank is on coke and tequila.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 And, "Aah."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:35 Yeah, been at the hotel lobby bar just going after it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 (sniffs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:39 Just all day long. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Wow.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:42 Yeah, shows up and he's like, "Hey, ride's here."

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Oh, boy.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:45 And... And it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 You're like, "I got this."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 "I got this."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:47 We just met him, I guess, at the wrong time.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 You could've caught him a month earlier, everything would have been fine.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:53 Been cool.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:54 (laughs) Yeah. But yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 It's a balancing act for a guy like Frank. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:04:58 But I, you know, I think about those, those, those truck drivers, man, and, and, you know, bus drivers who drive at all funky weird times at night.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:06 And, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 It's a lonely life.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:08 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 It's a lonely life. And if you have a family too, you're sad.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:11 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Your s- your family's at home. It's 12 hours of driving to get back there.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 And then you're only there for a little while and you gotta go back again.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:20 Yeah. Man, that's what kind of has been my problem with touring, the way we've been touring, is being gone-

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:29 ... multiple times, uh, for long periods of time during the year.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 I only did that once. I only did the, the m- the month thing once.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Me and Charlie Murphy and John Heffron, we did this Bud Light Real Men of Comedy Tour once.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Where we did 22 dates in 30 days.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:48 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 And we were just out basically every night. I'd wake up in a hotel room, "Where am I?"

Gary Clark Jr. 1:05:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 "Where am I? I forgot where I am." And after that I was like, "I'm never doing that again." I... Like Tom Segura, that crazy fuck, he'll do like 60 dates in a row.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 He'll be gone for two months where he has a show almost every night-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 ... and he's just going all over the place. The, his name, the name of his tour was I'm Coming Everywhere.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:12 (laughs) Yeah. Brilliant.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Brilliant. (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 Brilliant.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 Brilliant.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 But, you know, that's what he was doing.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:21 Yeah, literally. He-

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Everywhere.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:23 Yeah, everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Everywhere.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:24 That's...

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:25 I, I mean, I get that. We... I would love to do just, uh, weekend fly dates, do stuff like that, but I got a whole band and production-

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Mm-hmm.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:32 ... and my band's getting bigger, and so, you know, it's like, uh, I, I've, I've got to do it. But I've decided this time I'm just gonna bring my family with me and just-

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:43 ... you know, have them grow up out on the road instead of...

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 You did that for a while, right? You took your son-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:47 I did.

Joe Rogan 1:06:47 ... when you were, when you were in Europe maybe?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:49 Yeah, I took him out there.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 That's gotta be a great experience for him.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:52 Yeah, it was great. It was great for him. Um, that little motherfucker just... He didn't want to play guitar though until he saw, saw Slash. I think I told you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:06:59 He's like, "Meh." Uh, yeah. But, uh, yeah, so I think I would, I'd rather have them...... come out and hang with me this time.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Yeah. That's safer. It's, like, more fun. You don't, you don't get as sad and lonely, and-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:10 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 ... they don't feel weird. And then for them, it's an experience, like, "Wow, I get to see what Dad's doing."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 "This is crazy."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 Instead of just, like, FaceTiming them.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:18 You know? And picking up weird lingo from their funky-ass friends at school.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:23 "What the fuck did you just say to me?"

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:25 "Did you just call me bruh?"

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:27 (laughs) Nah, you're coming with me.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Yeah. My kids started saying "cap." "Cap" and "no cap." I was like, "What? What are you saying?"

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 "What does that even mean?"

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:39 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 Do you know what that m- Where'd that come from?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:41 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 I don't know either.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:43 Times are a-changing.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 Yeah. T- times are a-changing.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:45 But yeah, it's...

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 That's a better way to g- to do it. But is it, like... I... It's a different thing with a band, you know?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 You got a whole band. You got a bunch of other people.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:07:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 Like... You know, the crazy thing... We were just talking, I was talking to Shane Gillis, and he was talking about his experience hosting Saturday Night Live, and he's like, "Saturday Night Live only pays you $5,000."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 He's like, "You host it for a week, it's $5,000." We're like, "That's crazy." Um, but then I talked to, uh, Pat from the Black Keys, and he was telling me, he's like, "You wanna hear even crazier?" He was like, "When you do a late night show, it costs you money 'cause you gotta fly everybody out there, you got a band-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 ... you got hotels, you got this, you got that. Like, it costs you $50,000 to do a late night show."

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:26 Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I just did a... I just did that a couple times. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:32 Yeah. Catch me on-

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:34 ... (laughs) such and such. Yeah. Watch them shits. Buy the album. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's funky, like the whole promo thing and, and to do late night television, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 How effective-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:48 I-

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 ... is it now?

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:49 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 Hm.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:51 Uh, debatable. I, I don't know. Uh, I, I don't, I don't know how effective it is.

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 It's not-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:56 Really, I just-

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 ... what it used to be.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:08:57 I don't, I don't think so. Uh, I... I mean, m- from my experience, the, uh, T-V promo, l- like certain ways that, that were, I guess, the only way to move are not as... It's not moving the needle as much. Uh, maybe it's just for me as... my personal experience.

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 I think it's for everybody.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:09:23 But it's, it's, it's not really moving like it used to, but it is still important in some capacity. I don't understand it, you know, b- but I'm a fan, so I, uh, like to go play The Late Show with Letterman, to go play The Tonight Show, it's like... That was a dream to me as-

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:09:42 ... as a kid.

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:09:43 You know? Like, I love to be able to do that, to be able to s- step in that building and play Saturday Night Live-

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:09:48 ... or do whatever is-

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:09:49 It's like s- thing, but it, it's... You know. You're investing in something when you're not really quite sure on what the return is.

Joe Rogan 1:09:58 Right. But still-

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:00 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 ... you, you're doing it because you just wanna do it, it's a cool milestone.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:04 Yeah. Yeah. And also, you know, uh, d- in the record business, people aren't re- You gotta be everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:14 You know? It's-

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:15 And, and you gotta do that and also be your own promotion on social media, which is a w- a wild thing, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:23 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:23 It's, it's... And, and people are leaning on TikTok. I mean, I have meetings with folks about, um, you know, "What's, what's the plan? What's the strategy? What are we doing?" "Well, we gotta get traction on TikTok. We gotta do this." And so I caught myself a couple times doing some goofy-ass shit for TikTok-

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:42 ... and I'm like, "I don't like this, man."

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 (laughs)

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:45 (laughs) Like, I don't... This doesn't feel good to me.

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 Right.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 It feels whorish.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:51 It feel... Yeah, it feels whorish, it feels-

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:54 ... it's not in my character, it's not in my-

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:57 ... it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. 1:10:57 ... it feels fishy, it feels reachy,