Joe Rogan Experience #2130 - Coleman Hughes

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

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   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Hey, what up?

   4. CHColeman Hughes0:13

      All right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      What's up, Coleman? Good to see you.

   6. CHColeman Hughes0:14

      I'm good, man. Good to see you again.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What's crackin'?

   8. CHColeman Hughes0:16

      Well, I'm good, you know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You great. You got a new book.

   10. CHColeman Hughes0:19

       Got a new book, End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah, I saw you on The View.

   12. CHColeman Hughes0:26

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       (laughs)

   14. CHColeman Hughes0:27

       Yeah, so that, that's been overwhelming my past couple days.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Yeah.

   16. CHColeman Hughes0:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Is that annoying?

   18. CHColeman Hughes0:32

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       No?

   20. CHColeman Hughes0:33

       No, no, I mean, it's just, when I was on there, I, I, I really had no idea how it was gonna land with the audience, so I just went in there, did my thing. Uh, I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know who Sunny Hostin was. I actually still really don't know. So I wasn't expecting, necessarily, for her to kind of try to ambush me in that way and, and, uh, attack my character in that way, and I responded to it in the moment, as I do, and I didn't expect it to go as viral as it did, but, uh, I think it pro- arguably went more viral than anything I've ever done. It's hard for me to totally tell, but I've just got people messaging me almost nonstop for, like, four days afterwards.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Well, it is the show that people love to hate. (laughs)

   22. CHColeman Hughes1:15

       Yes, that's true. That's true.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       They, they get so much hate-watching-

   24. CHColeman Hughes1:19

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       ... and hate, hate-watching viral clips of them saying ridiculous things. I mean-

   26. CHColeman Hughes1:24

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       ... it is, it is a, uh, a rabies-infested henhouse. (laughs)

   28. CHColeman Hughes1:29

       And, and at the same time, it seemed like the most interesting part was their audience seemed to be on my side.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       Yes. Yes.

   30. CHColeman Hughes1:35

       And that's their audience.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      their roots haven't, like, been deeply entrenched in the system.

   2. CHColeman Hughes15:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Someone who can maybe have some sort of an outsider's perspective, that can look at the problems with the, the current situation and the way things are structured-

   4. CHColeman Hughes15:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      ... the way money is allocated, and the way funding is done, the way bills are passed, and... which is a, a giant issue, like when they sandwich these 2,000-page bills with a bunch of stuff-

   6. CHColeman Hughes15:24

      Yeah, it makes no sense to me.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      ... that has n- nothing to do with... It should be illegal. It shouldn't be legal to have a bill about what's, you know, for a popular topic, the border issue, the border crisis-

   8. CHColeman Hughes15:34

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:34

      ... and in, in embed in that funding for Ukraine. Like, what...

   10. CHColeman Hughes15:38

       Yeah, it doesn't make any sense-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       It has nothing to do with it.

   12. CHColeman Hughes15:40

       ... to couple those issues. Yeah, I mean, a f- few months ago. So basically, you've had the Biden administration ignoring the border issue for several years, because they want it to signal sort of how non-Trump they were, right? And the border is Trump's issue. So Biden comes in, he says, "We're gonna undo everything Trump did with the border," even though a lot of those policies are actually widely supported and, and, uh, and, and smart. So they undo everything. The migrant crisis goes to hell in the past two or three years, even now infiltrating cities like Chicago, New York, everywhere. And then you have, uh, Biden finally gets serious about the border a couple months ago with the, with the border bill. And Trump gives the signal essentially that it's, that it's not a good bill, even though it really... i- it was a pretty decent bill. And certainly in an emergency, you want to start, stop the bleeding. Then Trump signals, uh, that the bill isn't good enough and, and Republicans kill it essentially. So I think both sides have tried to spin this, right? The, the Democrat spin has been, "Look, the Republicans sh- destroyed that bill. They don't even care about immigration. The whole thing's their fault." Of course, what's wrong with that is the reason it's this bad is because Democrats have been ignoring the issue fully for two, three years.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       Why do you think that is? Like, does anybody have anything to gain by letting migrants into the country? You know, Tim Dillon, uh, says that he thinks that it's cheap labor and that they want to bring more cheap labor into the country and that it's very difficult to get people to do certain jobs.

   14. CHColeman Hughes17:19

       That's why libertarians partly like, um, illegal immigration. That would be more of a Koch brothers policy though.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Mm.

   16. CHColeman Hughes17:26

       I mean, that, that's why they... That's why Bernie Sanders called, called open borders are Koch brothers policies because cheap labor.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Interesting. Yeah.

   18. CHColeman Hughes17:33

       But that wouldn't apply necessarily to Biden. Like, okay, so someone like Biden, I understand you, you might argue, okay, are they letting people in because those are gonna be the Democrat voters? Uh, those are gonna increase the Democrat voters base. I don't know. Does Biden care about that? I don't think so. Biden's not going to be around in 10 years.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:52

       Well, I don't think Biden's making decisions.

   20. CHColeman Hughes17:54

       You don't think he is?

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       No. I, I-

   22. CHColeman Hughes17:56

       You think it's his circle at this point?

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       Yeah, I think he's so far gone. And this is what I said when he was running. I was saying, you're gonna leave it up to his cabinet. He's not able to form s- listen, when you see him at debates or at press conferences, he's at his very best, and he's probably medicated. They probably juice him up with a bunch of different things and get him hyped. "Let's go," roll him out there-

   24. CHColeman Hughes18:23

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:23

       ... and then he... even then, he can't...... form sentences.

   26. CHColeman Hughes18:27

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       He, he loses track of what he's talking about. It's... That's him at his very best. What is he like when he's tired?

   28. CHColeman Hughes18:35

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       What is he like when he's not primed?

   30. CHColeman Hughes18:37

       Right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   My work for correctness.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:02

   2. NANarrator30:02

      My work for correctness. Now, whether you believe that I have been diligent, that I have worked, that I have advocated for you in these years, that I have been decent. I have spent my time in service of my people. Now cast your vote. If yes, then stand up for me as I have stood up for you.

   3. CHColeman Hughes30:26

      That's incredibly creepy.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      Bizarre, right?

   5. CHColeman Hughes30:29

      Oh, my god.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:30

      Very bizarre.

   7. CHColeman Hughes30:31

      Wow.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:32

      Because we have these misconceptions, these preconceived notions.

   9. CHColeman Hughes30:35

      Right. Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Because obviously, all the evil things he actually wound up doing.

   11. CHColeman Hughes30:38

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Which are real. It's not-

   13. CHColeman Hughes30:39

       But also just the cultural filter of-... the way German sounds-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Yes.

   15. CHColeman Hughes30:43

       ... to the American ear, it's a harsh language.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Yes. Well, there's many languages like that. We just don't have, uh, a w- we don't have a cultural context-

   17. CHColeman Hughes30:52

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       ... to put that, especially the sounds.

   19. CHColeman Hughes30:54

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       The s- (laughs) have you heard, um, German Arabic?

   21. CHColeman Hughes30:59

       No, what's that?

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Okay. W- this is Muslims speaking with ... they're German, so they have a German accent and-

   23. CHColeman Hughes31:09

       Oh, okay.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       ... they're speaking in Arabic.

   25. CHColeman Hughes31:12

       Okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       And it's very strange, 'cause it's like you're hearing both things.

   27. CHColeman Hughes31:17

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       You know? And then, there's also people that are Muslims that are speaking in Germany.

   29. CHColeman Hughes31:25

       Hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       And they're, they're, they're, you know, talking about i- Islamic issues in, in German.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CHColeman Hughes45:00

      itself that there's no room for anxiety.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CHColeman Hughes45:02

      And that's very lucky if you have that level of focus and attention on whatever it is that you're passionate about. It's like you're so upset... Like, like, s- someone like Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, the way you hear them talking about winning, you can understand why they didn't feel any anxiety when the buzzer-beater is coming up, there's two seconds they have to make the shot. It's because they're so obsessed with winning that there's no room for anxiety.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      Right.

   5. CHColeman Hughes45:27

      Right? It's like, it's like, it's, it's life or death to them.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:29

      Yeah.

   7. CHColeman Hughes45:30

      And there's no room for anxiety in those situations.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      Yeah. You have to be... I mean, to, to perform at that level too, you have to be really insane. You know, I would say that greatness and that, uh, like, real brilliance comes out of almost like a mental illness.

   9. CHColeman Hughes45:48

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       It really-

   11. CHColeman Hughes45:49

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       ... almost does. Because in order to be just so much better than all the other high performers-

   13. CHColeman Hughes45:54

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       Because David Goggins has the best quote.

   15. CHColeman Hughes45:56

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       He says, "You want to be uncommon amongst uncommon people."

   17. CHColeman Hughes46:00

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       That's him. But, you know, do you want to do what he does? (laughs)

   19. CHColeman Hughes46:03

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       Like, but he... That's what he-

   21. CHColeman Hughes46:05

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       That's how he's uncommon amongst uncommon people.

   23. CHColeman Hughes46:07

       Yeah. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       He's a fucking complete psycho.

   25. CHColeman Hughes46:09

       Totally, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       But that is how you become David Goggins.

   27. CHColeman Hughes46:12

       That's right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       You, you don't become David Goggins by being this mild-mannered person who contemplates and, you know, sits with his coffee and stares out the window and watches the birds.

   29. CHColeman Hughes46:21

       No.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       And that's not... That's not... That's not how you get the job done.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:16

   Yep. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      that riff. You have to understand there's nothing like that in music before him.

   2. CHColeman Hughes1:00:05

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      There's not... There's a lot of that-

   4. CHColeman Hughes1:00:06

      And you can never-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      ... now.

   6. CHColeman Hughes1:00:08

      With, with... Yeah, well, because of it, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      Because of it.

   8. CHColeman Hughes1:00:10

      Yeah, and that's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      Like Stevie Ray Vaughan.

   10. CHColeman Hughes1:00:11

       ... and that's what happens-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

       Yes.

   12. CHColeman Hughes1:00:12

       ... is that you can never really go back with the ears of those people and hear it as they heard it because now-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       Exactly.

   14. CHColeman Hughes1:00:16

       ... you've taken for granted that this way of playing has seeped into the culture.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       Exactly.

   16. CHColeman Hughes1:00:20

       You know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       This is what I always tell people that disparage Lenny Bruce.

   18. CHColeman Hughes1:00:23

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       They go, "Oh, he wasn't that funny." Here, give me some of that. Dude, I could run over a fucking-

   20. CHColeman Hughes1:00:54

       That's still pretty awesome.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       ... mountain if I hear that.

   22. CHColeman Hughes1:00:56

       That's still pretty fucking awesome.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Oh, it's amazing.

   24. CHColeman Hughes1:00:59

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       I could run over a fucking mountain with that in my ears.

   26. CHColeman Hughes1:01:02

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       That's a drug. That song is a drug. That song has, like, a physical power it imparts on you.

   28. CHColeman Hughes1:01:09

       For sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       Like, I get goosebumps just hearing it.

   30. CHColeman Hughes1:01:12

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:10:23