Joe Rogan Experience #2132 - Andrew Schulz

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Like, I think of, I think he has that, that CIA guy on with the hair.

   4. ASAndrew Schulz0:16

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You know? And, uh-

   6. ASAndrew Schulz0:18

      What do you think of that guy?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      So after the pod- (snaps fingers)

   8. ASAndrew Schulz0:23

      I guess we're up. Let's go.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      You wanna go?

   10. ASAndrew Schulz0:25

       We're rolling.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Let's do it.

   12. ASAndrew Schulz0:26

       Let's go.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Okay, so, um, he came on, and he was very, like, forthco- first of all, he's very charming, but like, when you're talking to anybody who's worked for the CIA, you're looking at him through the same lens as you look at, like, a therapist.

   14. ASAndrew Schulz0:38

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Where it's like, "Wait, are you analyzing? Like, what's going on?"

   16. ASAndrew Schulz0:40

       Right, "What's going on here?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Very charming, very smart, very, like, seems to really know what's going on in the world, but like, straight up told us, he's like, "Yeah, the CIA, you know, I guess one of the advantages I have is like I'm pretty close to a sociopath. Like, I'm not there, but like I don't, I don't feel the same emotions that everybody feels. There's like a lack of guilt, but I know when I should feel it in these moments."

   18. ASAndrew Schulz1:03

       Whoa.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       But that's a huge advantage. Imagine if you're trying to, like, find assets and flip assets.

   20. ASAndrew Schulz1:08

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       If you and I, like, build a relationship with somebody and we, like, feel empathy for them-

   22. ASAndrew Schulz1:12

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       ... maybe we wouldn't be able to say, "Hey, now it's time for you to cough up the information or else."

   24. ASAndrew Schulz1:18

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       But somebody else in that position might, so I would imagine if you were at the fucking CIA, you're like, "Okay, we're looking for people who have gone through these things in their life that'll- that have curated this kind of, like, personality type."

   26. ASAndrew Schulz1:29

       Well, isn't it just, like, part of the gig? Like, here- here's a for instance. Like, your bit about Puffy. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       (laughs) How are you gonna connect these two fucking dots?

   28. ASAndrew Schulz1:43

       You're- y- y- that bit is, like, look, you don't have any real personal beef with Diddy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Mm-mm.

   30. ASAndrew Schulz1:50

       But it's gotta go down. The- the- the bits are there. I'm a gold miner. I just found some gold.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. ASAndrew Schulz15:00

      a support person, and I only have so much room that I can climb."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Right.

   3. ASAndrew Schulz15:04

      "I can never be Andrew Schulz. I'm always going to be this guy who works with Andrew Schulz." Or, oh, like, I've had a few buddies that have opening acts that wind up getting very entitled.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      Hmm.

   5. ASAndrew Schulz15:17

      And they have real problems with them, where the opening acts get resentful and it becomes issues.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      And then what do they do?

   7. ASAndrew Schulz15:22

      Even good guys.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      They clip them.

   9. ASAndrew Schulz15:24

      They get rid of them.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       You have to.

   11. ASAndrew Schulz15:26

       Yeah, you gotta get rid of them.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       'Cause you can't be around someone who resents your success.

   13. ASAndrew Schulz15:29

       I just had a friend who just led me through all the shit that his opening act was doing and... But I've, I know several guys that have had that. And once things start popping, those guys feel like, "Hey, you know, I'm a big deal."

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Yeah.

   15. ASAndrew Schulz15:40

       You know? Like, you don't even... You're just like... You could be replaced with another guy who does 15 minutes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Hmm.

   17. ASAndrew Schulz15:45

       Like, this is crazy. You're, you have an amazing opportunity.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Yeah.

   19. ASAndrew Schulz15:48

       You get a chance to perform in front of these thousands of people that you would-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah.

   21. ASAndrew Schulz15:50

       ... never be able to perform in front of them.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Yeah.

   23. ASAndrew Schulz15:52

       And you light it up.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah.

   25. ASAndrew Schulz15:53

       You can move up the ladder, and then one day, that could be you, and they could be coming to see you.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Yeah.

   27. ASAndrew Schulz15:57

       And we've all seen that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       And you never want to have to manage somebody like that. You want to have people around you that are excited by the opportunity-

   29. ASAndrew Schulz16:03

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       ... and everybody's, like, part of the team, and we're doing this fucking unbelievable thing.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   When he was leaving…

   1. ASAndrew Schulz30:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      When he was leaving office. Yeah, yeah.

   3. ASAndrew Schulz30:00

      Which is one of the craziest videos in human history.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yeah.

   5. ASAndrew Schulz30:03

      Where he's saying the military industrial complex-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Yeah.

   7. ASAndrew Schulz30:07

      ... wants to go to war. Like there's a machine that wants to go to war and you have to be very careful of it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      So what is the history of this? So what World War II?

   9. ASAndrew Schulz30:14

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       The whole country turns into a war machine, is that essentially-

   11. ASAndrew Schulz30:18

       Exactly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       ... and which was beneficial for us, right?

   13. ASAndrew Schulz30:20

       Sure. Great for the economy, great for a lot of things, great to unite us.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Great for freedom.

   15. ASAndrew Schulz30:24

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Great for not speaking fucking German-

   17. ASAndrew Schulz30:26

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       ... for the rest of our existence. But, and, and by it turns into a war machine, like Ford just starts making tanks.... like, everybody shifts their goal, right? Is that essentially what happens when...

   19. ASAndrew Schulz30:39

       Well, a lot of people definitely shift their... I mean, Ford obviously kept making cars, but like, a lot of people do shift their-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       But I think Ford also-

   21. ASAndrew Schulz30:45

       ... their businesses.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       ... started making military vehicles.

   23. ASAndrew Schulz30:47

       Did they?

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       My-

   25. ASAndrew Schulz30:47

       Makes sense.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       That was my understanding is that, like, every business started to prioritize the war effort.

   27. ASAndrew Schulz30:51

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       And then-

   29. ASAndrew Schulz30:52

       Definitely.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       ... not overnight, but pretty quickly, the whole country had one singular focus, which was, "If we need to go to war-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      of.

   2. ASAndrew Schulz45:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Or I do think that I would just kind of get weak and fall apart.

   4. ASAndrew Schulz45:04

      Comfort is a warm and enticing poison.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yep.

   6. ASAndrew Schulz45:08

      And it's a slow poison.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Yep.

   8. ASAndrew Schulz45:10

      You can take a little bit of it on the, on the couch, just relaxing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      And it is nice.

   10. ASAndrew Schulz45:14

       You can take a little of it. It's nice.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       Hmm.

   12. ASAndrew Schulz45:16

       But don't let that get into your veins, because it'll make the rest of your life harder.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       Yeah.

   14. ASAndrew Schulz45:19

       'Cause you're gonna encounter hard things. And if the hard thing that you don't voluntarily subscribe to, the hard thing that you don't force yourself into-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Yeah.

   16. ASAndrew Schulz45:28

       ... isn't harder than the other things in life, you're gonna have a hard time managing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Yeah, and it's voluntary.

   18. ASAndrew Schulz45:33

       It has to be voluntary.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       You have to choose it.

   20. ASAndrew Schulz45:35

       You have to have discipline.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       There's a, um-

   22. ASAndrew Schulz45:37

       I think character is like cardio. I think you have to keep it up.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Yep.

   24. ASAndrew Schulz45:41

       I do.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Yeah.

   26. ASAndrew Schulz45:42

       I really do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Yes, yeah.

   28. ASAndrew Schulz45:43

       You take a few weeks off of cardio, you're like, (gasping) .

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   30. ASAndrew Schulz45:46

       I think that's the same with character, and I think it's the same with, uh, d- doing difficult things and also self-assessing, honestly.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:13

   If I didn't find…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      do you mean?

   2. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:00

      If I didn't find some outlet, some competitive, like, dangerous outlet to test me as a man-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Yeah.

   4. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:08

      ... I was an angry kid, man. Well, it's not good to grow up a boy and be an angry boy and not have an outlet, 'cause you just-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      Why do you-

   6. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:17

      ... you won't have control of it. You won't-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      But why do you think you were angry?

   8. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:19

      I think a lot of it is genetic.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      Really?

   10. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:22

       Yeah, there's a lot of j- there's a... I think a lot of people, like, what's inside of them is genetic. It's learned experiences, being around violence when I was young. There's, there's quite a few things that I think are attached to it. But I think there's some part of it is genetic. There's some part of drive I think that's genetic too, which is interesting when you see your kids have it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Yeah, I've talked to friends about that who have multiple kids and they can see it in some, and, and others they just don't really see it, and it's kind of-

   12. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:48

       It's out of the box, they're different.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. ASAndrew Schulz1:00:51

       Yeah. Like my, uh, 15-year-old is like hyper focused on things, hyper focused on athletics, hyper focused... But also very loved.... like, doesn't have this desire to prove herself like I had.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Yeah.

   16. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:03

       I was like, "I'm not a loser. I'm gonna show everybody-"

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       (sighs) Yeah.

   18. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:07

       "... that I'm not a loser."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Yeah.

   20. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:08

       That was, like, my drive as a kid. And martial arts were the first thing that I ever did where I was like, "Hey, I'm not a loser."

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       But it's also the most humbling thing.

   22. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:17

       Oh, the most humbling. Yeah, the most humbling. But I got good at it quick.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       But still, it's like-

   24. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:20

       I was- I was- I was very lucky.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       But there's always someone better at it, I don't know, like even if-

   26. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:23

       Yeah. But I got lucky that I was going into it at the right time. Like I had some athletic experience, like I had done ... I had wrestled, I'd done baseball, I'd played some sports.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Yeah.

   28. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:32

       So I wasn't, like, totally inept. I was a ... When I played baseball, well, I was so selfish, I would never try to get on first.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       (laughs) You- you wanted that double.

   30. ASAndrew Schulz1:01:41

       Fuck you. Home run-

Episode duration: 3:57:26