Joe Rogan Experience #2140 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1. 0:00 – 0:30

   Reuniting in chaotic times: why crisis strengthens community

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Hello, my British friends. What the fuck's happening?

   4. FFFrancis Foster0:14

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you guys.

   6. FFFrancis Foster0:15

      Good to be back, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      It's, uh... The world just... I always hope that next time we see each other, things have calmed down. (laughs)

   8. FFFrancis Foster0:24

      (laughs)

   9. NANarrator0:24

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Have a happy podcast-

   11. FFFrancis Foster0:25

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       ... where we're not freaking out and filled with existential crisis and doom.

2. 0:30 – 2:31

   From Afghanistan to schools: when real danger replaces petty conflict

   1. FFFrancis Foster0:30

      It's kinda weird, right? Like, life is good, but the world's on fire.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      Uh-huh. I think that's one of the reasons why life is good. It's a fucked up thought, but I really believe that we only appreciate true, like, uh, comradery and community and friendship w- if there's, like, a real feeling of possible doom, like, hovering in the air. Then the times where you can just be together, have a drink with friends and hug each other, th- that's when it really feels good. Like, when, when, when things are too easy, I think people find more problems and get filled with more anxiety. But when there's real fear, then you could l- look at your friends like, "Bro, I love you, man." (laughs)

   3. FFFrancis Foster1:13

      (laughs)

   4. NANarrator1:13

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:13

      Hugging each other. 'Cause, like, we could die tonight. It could be all over.

   6. FFFrancis Foster1:16

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:17

      Yeah.

   8. FFFrancis Foster1:17

      No one's talking about the trans debate in Afghanistan, you know what I mean?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      Oh, 100%. Yeah, 100%.

   10. FFFrancis Foster1:22

       They've solved that. (laughs)

   11. NANarrator1:23

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Yeah, they're really not interested-

   13. FFFrancis Foster1:25

       (laughs)

   14. NANarrator1:26

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       ... in drag queen story hour.

   16. FFFrancis Foster1:28

       (laughs)

   17. NANarrator1:28

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       They'll just fucking shoot you and throw you in a burn pit.

   19. NANarrator1:32

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Like, shut up.

   21. FFFrancis Foster1:33

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Mm-hmm.

   23. FFFrancis Foster1:34

       No, it is. It's so interesting, like, it's... Schools are like that. If you go into a really nice school with really nice kids-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Mm-hmm.

   25. FFFrancis Foster1:42

       ... the teachers hate each other. They're all there going, "Can you believe what he said about her and she said about him?" And da, da, da, da, da. "And you know what they're doing in their lesson? They're not following the syllabus." When you work in a shit storm where every time you walk into the building, you're like, "It's not on fire," (laughs) you know what? You've got-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       Right.

   27. FFFrancis Foster1:57

       ... more friends than ever in the staff room, because you have to be together.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       Yeah, I, I think that's a, a real issue with human beings. I, I think we're just so hardwired to be prepared for tribal conflict-

   29. FFFrancis Foster2:09

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       ... predators attacking. I think it's just inescapable, in the very fiber of our core, like, whatever it is, whatever our DNA is, whatever epigenetic, epigenetic memory, whatever the fuck is in our system, it just seems to e- e- expect horrible things happening. And if they're not, they find mundane things to be horrible.
3. 2:31 – 4:40

   Microaggressions, victimhood incentives, and the online attention economy

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      Microaggressions.

   2. NANarrator2:32

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      The dumbest shit-

   4. FFFrancis Foster2:34

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      ... to be upset with, because you don't have real shit to be upset with. And so you go looking... And then, also, the f- one of the things with microaggressions and a lot of those things is people find value, like, perceived value in being a victim of something. And so they, they start pushing it and they realize, "I'm getting results by pushing it." Like, we were talking earlier about people that, like, kind of create fake narratives because they li- they see a grift, they see a business to get into.

   6. FFFrancis Foster2:59

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:59

      It's not really their opinion. You know how annoying those people are to talk to? That's what that is. It's like, you're not really upset. You just know that you can say you're upset and then people go, "Oh, I'm sorry you're upset."

   8. FFFrancis Foster3:10

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:10

      And then all of a sudden we have this little scenario where you're the highlight.

   10. FFFrancis Foster3:13

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       You're, you're, you're getting focus on you. It's- And online, it's not just, "Oh, you're upset." It's like, "You're upset? Here's a million dollars and 10 billion clicks on your video," right?

   12. NANarrator3:22

       Mm-hmm.

   13. FFFrancis Foster3:22

       So, the incentive structures are pushing this. And you see it, I think, happening across the political spectrum now, where people are really going heavy on the victimhood. Like, "We are oppressed. There's a conspiracy against me," et cetera.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       Yeah.

   15. FFFrancis Foster3:33

       And it gets rewarded.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       100%, and it's, it's a weakness. And it, and it's a sign of a society that has not really experienced too much conflict on its actual soil. Our conflict is all self-created. Our conflict is all crime in our own communities.

   17. FFFrancis Foster3:47

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Our conflict is all "defund the police." Our conflict is, you know, whate- whatever. There's n- not real... The, the shit that's happening in Ukraine right now-

   19. FFFrancis Foster3:56

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       ... or the shit that's happening in Israel right now. Like, that's real conflict.

   21. FFFrancis Foster4:01

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       And when you don't have real conflict, you find conflict, unfortunately.

   23. FFFrancis Foster4:04

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       It's-

   25. FFFrancis Foster4:05

       It's, it's kind of the way we're programmed. We're programmed to want to search for conflict, look for conflict, engage in conflict.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Yeah.

   27. FFFrancis Foster4:12

       And it, it's always a way. Just to take it back to the staff room point, I found it so interesting on a psychological level that people would bicker about the smallest of things, and they would blow it up into this big thing because it was easy to teach.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       Yeah.

   29. FFFrancis Foster4:27

       You had an easy job, comparatively speaking.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       (laughs)
4. 4:40 – 5:42

   A radical fix: mandated morning workouts to humble the nation

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:40

      I almost feel like there should be a nationally-mandated morning run that everybody has to go on.

   2. NANarrator4:45

      (laughs)

   3. FFFrancis Foster4:45

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:45

      Like, the whole country. It's 7:00 in the morning, everyone's gotta run a mile. I know that's, that... A mile's not even that far, but just fucking one mile, everybody. You know how m- much better the country's attitude would be if there, if we all agreed th- to have, like, a mandated morning workout together? It sounds crazy, like, that's the solution? But what it is, it's in- injecting a difficult, a physically and mentally difficult thing to do first, especially for people that are out of shape, to do first thing in the morning. A physical, mental challenge the first thing of your day, and I guarantee the rest of the day people will be like, "Eh, what's the big deal?" A lot of the things it would be like, "What's the big deal?" A l- and also you'd realize the value of doing something that's difficult to do, which most people don't do, ever.

   5. NANarrator5:38

      Mm-hmm.

   6. FFFrancis Foster5:38

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      Most people run away from that like it, like it's a fucking nuclear fire.

   8. NANarrator5:42

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      Hmm.

5. 5:42 – 7:01

   Meaning and demographics: parenthood as purpose and compassion

   1. FFFrancis Foster5:42

      I think one of the other reasons, as well, that people are struggling meaning and purpose is that...

   2. KKKonstantin Kisin5:47

      He knows this whole thing about the population not being replaced enough and we're not having enough kids. Well, it's not so much that women aren't having as many kids as they used to, it's that fewer women are having kids. That means f- far fewer people are now parents. And, like, when you become a parent, it sort of changes your outlook on things. And if you had a lack of meaning and purpose, you quickly find it, at least in providing for this tiny thing that is entirely dependent on you. I've certainly found that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      I've, I've found that too. I think, I think it also opens up a, an ... I mean, for a lack of better term, like a window in your soul-

   4. KKKonstantin Kisin6:21

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:21

      ... where you understand love and ... Like, Dave Chappelle said this to me once. We were talking about having kids. We were in the back of The Comedy Store and he said, "Not only has it increased the amount of love," he goes, "It's increased my capacity for love."

   6. KKKonstantin Kisin6:34

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:34

      I'm like, "That's brilliant." That's it. That's what it is. It changes everything.

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin6:38

      It changes everything.

   9. FFFrancis Foster6:39

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       Changes everything. And also, you realize like, oh, (sighs) these are all babies. Everybody's a baby that grew up.

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin6:45

       I had that exact experience-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Yeah.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin6:47

       ... where I was like, I started seeing people and now I go, "Oh, they were like my son once."

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Yeah.

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin6:52

       And it just put me in a completely different place in terms of-

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       It made me 80% more compassionate.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin6:57

       T- m- the same.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       Yeah.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin6:58

       I, I find it harder to judge people. I still do it, but-

   20. FFFrancis Foster7:01

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       (laughs)

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin7:01

       ... I find it harder.

6. 7:01 – 12:45

   Marriage as a high-risk investment: compatibility, divorce stats, and gratitude

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      Do you have any kids?

   2. FFFrancis Foster7:02

      No, I don't have kids.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:03

      When are you ready to shoot a live one into a nice young lady? (laughs)

   4. FFFrancis Foster7:07

      (laughs)

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin7:07

      You put it so romantically, Joe. (laughs)

   6. FFFrancis Foster7:10

      (laughs) I like that. That's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:11

      (laughs)

   8. FFFrancis Foster7:12

      (laughs) That's biology mixed with hunting.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:13

      Yeah. (laughs)

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin7:14

       (laughs)

   11. FFFrancis Foster7:14

       That's your brand, brother. That's Joe Rogan right there. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       (laughs)

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin7:19

       (laughs)

   14. FFFrancis Foster7:19

       (laughs)

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin7:19

       That's hilarious.

   16. FFFrancis Foster7:20

       You should do that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       D- do you have a lady friend?

   18. FFFrancis Foster7:22

       Uh, not at the moment. No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       No?

   20. FFFrancis Foster7:25

       But, uh, I'm looking. I'm on the market. Uh, this podcast is mainly watched by-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       There we go.

   22. FFFrancis Foster7:29

       ... some-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       That's what it is.

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin7:29

       Mate, you, your DMs after this are gonna be full.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       Let's fucking go.

   26. FFFrancis Foster7:33

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       Come on, son.

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin7:33

       I've been trying to get him on that-

   29. FFFrancis Foster7:35

       Yeah.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin7:35

       ... bandwagon for a while now, so we're working on it.
7. 12:45 – 13:36

   Have more fun: psychedelics, perfectionism, and delayed gratitude

   1. FFFrancis Foster12:45

      You know, that's it. I, I, I ha- I had this kind of like epiphany once, uh, on psychedelics and it was just... I just think we don't have enough fun.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:54

      Yeah.

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin12:54

      No.

   4. FFFrancis Foster12:54

      We just don't. We... And I, I'm as guilty of this as the rest of, of people where I'm just like, "Right, I'm going to do here." And, you know, "And I've got to do, like, this spot or whatever else, so you've got to do it, and I've got to make sure that it's got to be perfect, and it's got to do this and this and this." And you go, "Is that actually what I got into this for? Did I actually get into to be so rigid, to live my life on train tracks? Or did I get into it to play, have fun, meet people, enjoy life?" I mean, that's why we started this.

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin13:22

      Yeah.

   6. FFFrancis Foster13:22

      That's why we did this. That's why we set up podcasts. That's why we did standup. It's because we wanted a life that was fun.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:30

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well said. As well said as you could say it. I think there's d- delaying gratitude, right?

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin13:36

      Mm-hmm.

8. 13:36 – 17:01

   Creative resistance and 'The War of Art': showing up to summon the muse

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:36

      So, the, the thing about the difficult work, difficult work of, like, putting together a set or putting together a joke... Like, I, I literally fell asleep at my fucking keyboard last night.

   2. FFFrancis Foster13:46

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:46

      I was sitting in front of Microsoft Word and I just nodded out. I'm like, "Fuck, go to bed," 'cause it was pretty late.

   4. FFFrancis Foster13:52

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:53

      But I don't want to do that. You know what I want to do? I want to go watch car videos on YouTube. I want to watch professional pool matches. I want to watch th- I don't want to sit there and fucking fester over material.

   6. FFFrancis Foster14:04

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      But I know I have to do it. You have to... The, the only way it feels really good when it kills is if it sucks for a long time (laughs) in front of a computer.

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin14:12

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:12

      It doesn't always suck. It's like it sucks for a few minutes until you get flowing, and then you like... Then you're into the process of it, and then it's stimulating. But there's that weird resistance, you know, that thing that in... from The War of Art that Pressfield talks about. There's a part of us that, like, resists. So-

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin14:28

       And what does he say that is, Joe?

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       Oh, man. Pressfield talks about it almost like in... He, he, he talked... Have you read War of Art?

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin14:37

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       I've got a bunch of copies.

   14. FFFrancis Foster14:38

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       'Cause I've recommended it so much that he sent me, like, a box of cop- We bought a box back in the LA studio, and I would give it to comedians. I'm like, "Pl- just read this." It's a real easy read, it's a short book, and it'll show you what's wh- There's a thing that fucks with people, whatever this resistance is. There's something about the human psyche that puts off doing things that you know you're supposed to do.

   16. FFFrancis Foster15:00

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:01

       And resistance to writing is particularly aggressive for whatever reason. And Pressfield talks about it. Like, he... And he essentially gives you tools and he, he says that you're gonna be a professional, and you're gonna think of yourself as a professional. And as a professional, we go to work. And when we go to work, we sit in front of the computer, we summon the muse.

   18. KKKonstantin Kisin15:21

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       And he believes in the muse. He doesn't believe in it just as like, "Just pretend it's a muse and that way you could be creative." He's like, "No, if you treat it like it's real, it is real." Like, the muse is a real thing. If you just show up every day at a certain time and put in the time, ideas will come to you.

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin15:39

       Mm-hmm.

   21. FFFrancis Foster15:39

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       They're not gonna come every day. It's not gonna be like picking strawberries in God's open field. No, it's gonna be this weird thing. But if you do it enough, i- if you treat it like it is a muse, it will perform as a muse does. And if you do the work, you, you will reap these rewards. And it gives you, like, this sort of, like, very simple, well outlined sort of guide to how to do that.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin16:04

       That's really interesting. It resonates a lot with me because when I'm, uh, I write a lot of Substack articles now, and that works really well. And all I do is I sit down, I know I've got two hours, and within five minutes, it starts flowing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yeah.

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin16:18

       And-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       The first five minutes are like... (imitates music playing)

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin16:20

       Yeah. It really helps if I came into it with an existing idea already, and then I can just go (whooshes) and flesh it out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Yeah.

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin16:27

       You know? That resonates a lot.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Ari Shapiro used to have this, uh, quote on his, uh, laptop. I think it's Hemingway, and it said, "The first draft of everything is shit."
9. 17:01 – 27:27

   RFK Jr. in jeans: cardio, functional fitness, and the humility of yoga

   1. FFFrancis Foster17:01

      (laughs) ... is it's so important to play. It's so important to play. So, if you just... I find it really helpful to go for a walk, maybe grab a coffee, don't listen to music, don't listen to anything, and just walk.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:14

      Mm-hmm.

   3. FFFrancis Foster17:15

      And things that have happened in your day, you'll just notice certain things. Like, a couple of days ago, uh, I was in the gym with, uh, g- uh, Gold's Gym, and RFK Jr. came in with like five dudes in j- jeans, a polo shirt, and came in. And then he was on the be- on the bench, I was on the bench, and he obliterated me, and then just left again. And I was like, "That's so funny." There's something there that a guy who's in his mid-70s comes in, dominates me, leaves. (laughs)

   4. KKKonstantin Kisin17:47

      He's mid, he's mid-70s?

   5. FFFrancis Foster17:49

      (laughs) Yeah, he's ab-

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:50

      I think he's just 70.

   7. FFFrancis Foster17:51

      Oh, is he 70?

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin17:52

      Well, still-

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:54

      Is he... Is he mid-70s?

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin17:56

       Holy sh- he looks about 35.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       I thought, I thought he said 57.

   12. FFFrancis Foster17:59

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:59

       How old is he?

   14. FFFrancis Foster18:00

       He's 70.

   15. He looks about 55, man. Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Yeah, well, he's very fit. He, he works out a lot, but in jeans, which is very gimmicky. I don't like it. I would recommend sweatpants or shorts.

   17. FFFrancis Foster18:11

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       What are we doing? Why are you wearing jeans? Do you know they make better stuff for working out?

   19. FFFrancis Foster18:15

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:15

       Like, if you wear jeans, to me, that tells me you work out kinda. Like, you, there's no way you're sweating in jeans. You know, there's no way you're running five miles on a treadmill in jeans. You're just not gonna do that.

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin18:28

       No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:29

       So you're only getting to a certain level of workout if you're wearing jeans, period.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin18:33

       What if he's just doing weights?

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       Yeah, you could just do weights. Yeah, you could just do weights with jeans, but you shouldn't just do weights. You should, you should... Cardio should be like vitamins.

   25. FFFrancis Foster18:43

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:43

       Like, you, you need it like you need everything else. Like, you need protein, you need fats. You know, like, you need vitamins. You need cardio. Cardio's important.

   27. FFFrancis Foster18:51

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       Your sy- your system should be stressed. Your system should be able to perform work for long periods of time. If it can't, it's a bad system. And if you just want a system that looks good at the beach, that's dumb. That's dumb. That's a stupid thing. Like, you can have both things. You can have a system that looks good at the beach, but also have a system that can... You can run. You could do stuff. You could put in, like... If you have to hike somewhere, you can make it there.

   29. FFFrancis Foster19:17

       Hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       Some people won't make it, you know. Like, if... That's one thing to understand. Like, you're trying to get over a mountain, not everybody's gonna make it. There's a lot of us that are out there in society listening to this right now that can't go over a hill, a really big hill. That's crazy. That's crazy.
10. 27:27 – 35:16

    Sex robots and population collapse: dopamine traps and social decay

    1. JRJoe Rogan27:27

       I think what's gonna get us is the robot sex dolls.

    2. KKKonstantin Kisin27:30

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan27:31

       Yeah.

    4. FFFrancis Foster27:31

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan27:31

       Because, you know, w- you, you guys were talking about... Y- you know, if, if y- if there's a d- decline in population, right, that means d-... And it is like a severe decl... In America, the amount of men that are single is very high. The amount of men that haven't had sex in like over a year is very high. And there's a lot of people that are just locked into their computers.

    6. FFFrancis Foster27:55

       Mm-hmm.

    7. KKKonstantin Kisin27:55

       Mm-hmm.

    8. JRJoe Rogan27:55

       And they're just on their computer all the time. It's super, super common. If something came along that allowed... Like, wi- with these exponential increases in technology, like, what, what you, what you're seeing with these AI programs now, which i- ... Really stunning visuals that they can create in seconds, in, in minutes they can have a, like, a short film. It's crazy what they can do now. If they can do that with a physical moving object, like if they can get a real humanoid object that is... has perfect features and is your girlfriend and is warm and sweet and tu... and gives you everything you want from a human-

    9. KKKonstantin Kisin28:39

       Never argues with you.

    10. JRJoe Rogan28:40

        ... it's game over.

    11. FFFrancis Foster28:42

        Mm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan28:42

        It's game over for the human race. Like, if I was artificial intelligence, I wouldn't kill everybody. I would just let them die off. Like, the most humane way to do it is to let them realize that they're unnecessary and there's no need to have kids when you can fuck your Jennifer Lopez robot.

    13. FFFrancis Foster29:01

        (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan29:01

        And that's what they would do.

    15. FFFrancis Foster29:02

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan29:02

        They would j- they would just live with their robots and no one would have, like, real relations anymore. It would go away so quick. It would be s- we... Then they'd start having robot babies so you don't have to... Like, so women that want kids, like, you would just have a robot baby.

    17. FFFrancis Foster29:18

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan29:19

        Since you can't have a regular baby, they'll just give you this baby and this baby will stay a baby forever. (laughs)

    19. FFFrancis Foster29:24

        (laughs)

    20. KKKonstantin Kisin29:24

        The first time we had Louise Perry on... Are you familiar with Louise?

    21. JRJoe Rogan29:28

        I know the name.

    22. KKKonstantin Kisin29:28

        She wrote a book called The Case Against the Sexual Revolution. She's very, very good. Based out of the UK. Uh, and the first time we had her on, she made... You know how we always ask, uh, what's the one thing we're not talking about at the end of the show?

    23. JRJoe Rogan29:40

        Mm-hmm.

    24. KKKonstantin Kisin29:41

        Sh-... This is wha-... This was her answer. Uh, she was like, "I think sex robots are coming and they're gonna ruin everything." Because the male desire to do things, to create, to build, to innovate, to research, to, to stand up for what you believe in, to fight, all of that is tied in to wanting to raise your status to be with a woman. Right?

    25. JRJoe Rogan29:59

        100%.

    26. KKKonstantin Kisin30:00

        And so you take that away, you're gonna be left with a bunch of fuckers on pods sipping milkshakes. That's, that's-

    27. JRJoe Rogan30:06

        Yep.

    28. KKKonstantin Kisin30:06

        ... that's what you... A best case scenario.

    29. FFFrancis Foster30:07

        Mm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan30:08

        I think it's gonna happen before we even realize it's happened. I think it's gonna happen very quickly.... 'cause I think once those things get implemented, we're gonna see just a giant steep drop off of childbirth and of regular relationships. And what happens to women? What do they do? 'Cause they don't have that same desire. They wanna actually emotionally connect with someone.
11. 35:16 – 43:43

    Mind reading, dream decoding, and Neuralink: privacy and future taboos

    1. KKKonstantin Kisin35:16

       Yeah. We're gonna be able to read minds.

    2. FFFrancis Foster35:18

       We're generalizing.

    3. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       And when we read minds, it's gonna be so baffling. We're gonna be like, "You guys thought what?"

    4. KKKonstantin Kisin35:23

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan35:23

       Like, "What did you think? That's what you want? Wow, I had no idea. How is that possible? How do you like that?" Like, "What's going on in your fucking head?"

    6. FFFrancis Foster35:33

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       We're, we're, we're actually reading women's minds and, like, you're gonna know, like, who is pretending to, uh, not be interested in you but is very interested in you. We're... People aren't gonna be able to be coy anymore. Gonna be very weird.

    8. FFFrancis Foster35:46

       Oh, yeah. And there's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna get canceled.

    9. KKKonstantin Kisin35:49

       (laughs)

    10. FFFrancis Foster35:49

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:50

        Well, what is canceling even gonna mean? The problem is a lot of the people that wanna cancel people have cancelable offenses in their own past.

    12. KKKonstantin Kisin35:57

        Oh, baby. Oh, yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:58

        A big part of them.

    14. FFFrancis Foster35:59

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:59

        So I think that's, that is all gonna be out there. Your... All thoughts are gonna be out there.... I think it's a matter of time, and I don't think it's that long. I think within a decade, we're gonna have some ability, 'cause they're getting so close to it. They're, they're getting i- ... There was a Japanese study where they got some sort of visual evidence of dreams, some sort of a vi- ... It's not like you can see the dream, but they're getting close. They're zeroing in on particular images that people were experiencing while they were dreaming and they think they could desi- uh, decipher those. What is that technology? See if you can find what they're ... I think it was-

    16. FFFrancis Foster36:37

        Oh, go ahead.

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:38

        Was it em- uh, what, was it, uh, functional magnetic resonance imagery? Is that what it was?

    18. FFFrancis Foster36:44

        Well, when I type it in, this story comes up from, like, almost 12 years ago when they f- ... I guess they started doing it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:50

        That's when I saw ... There was a-

    20. FFFrancis Foster36:51

        ... or so. I saw it recently.

    21. JRJoe Rogan36:51

        There was some sort of recent article about it.

    22. FFFrancis Foster36:53

        I know. I thought so too.

    23. JRJoe Rogan36:54

        I think there's been some breakthrough.

    24. FFFrancis Foster36:56

        Uh, well, originally-

    25. JRJoe Rogan36:57

        The point is, like, they're gonna get it, all right?

    26. FFFrancis Foster36:59

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JRJoe Rogan36:59

        They got that guy wearing the, the first Neuralink patient, who's wearing the Neuralink in his head now, and he's operating a computer for the first time, paralyzed. And he's playing video games. He's talking to people. It's wild. So we, we know that's, that's already been done. Okay, MRI sc- ... "MRI scans reveal what we see in dreams. Japanese researchers unveil visuals with 60% accuracy using innovative MRI scans in pivotal Kyoto study showcasing a breakthrough in sleep science." 60% accuracy is bananas. So this is like Morse code. (singing) It's not, uh, you know, having a FaceTime chat. That FaceTime chat's coming. Okay? Morse code, (singing) we had to do that first, got through the smoke signals. Out there fucking-

    28. FFFrancis Foster37:47

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan37:48

        ... making circles in the desert. And now, instead of smoke signals, we have, uh, i- impos- impossible technology that anybody 100 years fr- ago would've thought of as complete magic. Well, this is gonna make that look like a fucking walk in the park with your friends. It's gonna make it ... Look, it's gonna make it seem so mundane that th- ... What that shit is gonna do is unite all brains, all brains united in the weirdest sort of hive mind situation that anybody could ever i- ... You couldn't imagine what that would be like, just like we couldn't imagine in the 1700s what it's like to just get on Twitter and read news about Beirut. You know? How could you know? How could you instantaneously get news about another part of the world that you're nowhere near? Well, because the world's changed. The whole thing's changed. It's gonna be everybody's brain connected.

    30. FFFrancis Foster38:41

        I mean ...
12. 43:43 – 47:59

    Where did the sci‑fi go? AI leaps, deepfakes, and a world you can't verify

    1. KKKonstantin Kisin43:43

       You know what I find interesting, Joe, is that there- I haven't seen too much really good sci-fi being made, which I find interesting because-

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:51

       I heard Dune was great, but I haven't seen it.

    3. KKKonstantin Kisin43:52

       Yeah, Dune is great, but it's not along these lines. So what I mean is, like, when- when we first started getting the technology for space travel, you had these people like Isaac Asimov and- and robotics was coming, and they would have really interesting est- uh, stories and books of exploring the idea of, you know, what does that look like when there are robots? What are the-

    4. FFFrancis Foster44:13

       Mm-hmm.

    5. KKKonstantin Kisin44:13

       How would you run that? What would be the potential downfalls and stuff like that? Uh, and it was, it w- you know, I remember when I was in my, as a teenager, it was the golden age for that kind of stuff.

    6. FFFrancis Foster44:23

       Mm-hmm.

    7. KKKonstantin Kisin44:23

       And now we seem to have these giant breakthroughs coming and we don't seem to have, uh, enough authors and artists thinking about some of the dilemmas involved and really kind of trying to think that through through a story lens about what the impact might be.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:38

       Right.

    9. KKKonstantin Kisin44:38

       You know, and that's interesting to me because I think, I think we just genuinely have no fucking idea what's coming.

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:43

        Well, I- I also think that the leaps between the initial rocketry program, you know, NASA, Apollo program, and then what could come next-

    11. KKKonstantin Kisin44:53

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:54

        ... is a lot easier to chart out than what... I mean, and they were wrong about a lot of shit.

    13. FFFrancis Foster44:59

        Oh, yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:00

        Like, there was a show called Space: 1999, remember I used to watch when I was a kid? I was like, "Wow, 1999, they're in space."

    15. FFFrancis Foster45:05

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:05

        Like, everything was like super futuristic, like crazy, like Star Wars-like in 1999. Like, that's what they thought.

    17. KKKonstantin Kisin45:13

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:13

        (laughs) Nobody figured... Everybody thought flying cars.

    19. FFFrancis Foster45:17

        Right.

    20. KKKonstantin Kisin45:17

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan45:17

        Everybody thought flying cars.

    22. FFFrancis Foster45:18

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:18

        No flying cars, you know?

    24. KKKonstantin Kisin45:19

        Are they coming?

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:20

        I- I mean, there's- there's some manufacturers that have made one. One guy has made one. I think it's a Chinese company, and it's a, uh, like a drone essentially. It's like you have a- a single seat in the center of it, and you close it like a helicopter, and you have drone, uh, w- you know, like the same kind of propellers that drones have.

    26. FFFrancis Foster45:38

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:38

        And you (drone sound) . So you just operate it like a drone. Um, but that's... There's a couple other ones, but there's nothing that's like commercially viable where they're gonna be able to sell as many of these as they sell Teslas.

    28. FFFrancis Foster45:49

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:49

        You know, it's not, it's not there yet, but it's not- probably not gonna get there. When the- when the AI hits, everything stops. When- when it goes live, when it becomes sentient, well, it's literal Skynet. You're gonna have a- a- an organic thing that's made out of electronics. It's gonna be a life form, and we- we're gonna give birth to this stupid fucking thing. (laughs)

    30. FFFrancis Foster46:10

        (laughs)
13. 47:59 – 55:29

    Google Gemini, woke AI, and the return of censorship via 'harm prevention'

    1. KKKonstantin Kisin47:59

       And look at the stuff we're already seeing. I mean, Google Gemini, that was eye-opening.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:03

       Yes.

    3. FFFrancis Foster48:04

       (laughs)

    4. KKKonstantin Kisin48:04

       That was eye-opening. I- I tried-

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       Yeah, because of influence, human influence.

    6. KKKonstantin Kisin48:07

       I tried to talk- I tried to ask it some questions about contentious subjects and it was literally like talking to a woke 18-year-old.

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:14

       God, that's so stupid.

    8. KKKonstantin Kisin48:15

       ... because-

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       It's so stupid.

    10. KKKonstantin Kisin48:16

        ... it, it refuses to give you certain information if you ask it about things that are controversial, let's say. Uh, you know, whatever, the, there's different examples you could ask it. It just says, "Well, I have the information, but I'm not gonna give it to you because it's harmful."

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:29

        Oh.

    12. KKKonstantin Kisin48:31

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:31

        God damn. That, that, that ideology, that pervasive, idiotic ideology is so terrifying. It's so terrifying how quickly people will adopt all of those principles without variation, rarely. They just, they just lump into that and, you know, and, and censorship is fine as long as you're censoring bad people.

    14. KKKonstantin Kisin48:55

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:56

        Just... (sighs)

    16. FFFrancis Foster48:58

        Yeah. Yeah.

    17. KKKonstantin Kisin48:58

        I mean, what... Look at what Australia is trying to do to... with Elon and, and X at the moment.

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        Yeah. We were talking about that earlier, this woman from Australia. Who is that lady?

    19. KKKonstantin Kisin49:05

        I think she's a parliamentarian or a minister in the government, something like that.

    20. FFFrancis Foster49:08

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:08

        She's saying he should be locked up for what he's doing-

    22. FFFrancis Foster49:10

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:10

        ... on social media. Like, what is he doing? I wanna know what... Imagine, imagine that's your threshold for locking someone up.

    24. FFFrancis Foster49:17

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:17

        Allowing people to talk?

    26. KKKonstantin Kisin49:19

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:19

        You know, what is he doing that's so egregious? Like, does she have... I feel like if you make that statement, if you're a person that's an elected official and you make that statement, like, "This person should be locked up," if it's not for something very specific, you're terrifying me because you're in a position of power and you just wanna just flippantly lock people in a cage because they disagree with you? Please explain what it is. Like, what is he... I have not yet seen one thing. I've, I've not... He's not perfect. He's not... Doesn't make all the, the same moves that-

    28. FFFrancis Foster49:52

        I'm guessing it has to do with this.

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:54

        Aclu- accuses Australia of censorship after court bans violent video.

    30. FFFrancis Foster49:58

        So there was a video of a bishop being stabbed at a church.
14. 55:29 – 1:03:04

    Hate speech laws and comedy under threat: Scotland, Australia, and X

    1. FFFrancis Foster55:29

       Yeah. You know, and you've seen that more and more, through, throughout all our societies. Like, you look at what's happening in Scotland, when I messaged you with what was happening-

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:39

       Yeah.

    3. FFFrancis Foster55:39

       ... with the hate speech laws.

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:40

       Crazy.

    5. FFFrancis Foster55:41

       Where now, you can, the hate speech has been criminalized in public performances, including plays.

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:48

       It's so insane.

    7. FFFrancis Foster55:49

       So, the Edinburgh Festival, which is the largest comedy and arts festival in the world, people can now get arrested for public performance.

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:57

       And they most certainly will if they follow the rule of the law, 'cause Edinburgh, those guys get wild.

    9. FFFrancis Foster56:01

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan56:01

        People get wild down there.

    11. KKKonstantin Kisin56:02

        Mm-hmm.

    12. FFFrancis Foster56:03

        Yeah. And so they should. And you just go-

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:05

        Yeah.

    14. KKKonstantin Kisin56:05

        Well, it's a comedy festival. (laughs)

    15. FFFrancis Foster56:06

        Yeah, it's a comedy fest.

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:07

        (laughs)

    17. FFFrancis Foster56:07

        However ... No, there's probably a few people that, actually, if I was in charge, I'd lock 'em up.

    18. KKKonstantin Kisin56:13

        I mean, at this point, it's hard to hear this.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:14

        Lock 'em up. (laughs)

    20. FFFrancis Foster56:14

        (Laughs) Get rid of them.

    21. KKKonstantin Kisin56:14

        But you know, Francis and I, we've been warning about this for ages. And most, most people pretend it's not happening, they ignore it. And it's like, first, uh, a couple of years ago, a guy called Jerry Sadowitz, who's s- super funny.

    22. FFFrancis Foster56:26

        Mm.

    23. KKKonstantin Kisin56:26

        Super offensive comic, like none of his stuff is online 'cause it's too offensive. But you go and see him, he's absolutely incredible. So they pulled his show from the Edinburgh Festival. And we were like, "This is a problem." It's like, "No, no, there's no problem." Now, you literally have the police potentially arresting comedians. Maybe this is when they start waking up.

    24. FFFrancis Foster56:43

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:44

        God.

    26. FFFrancis Foster56:44

        And, and this same government wanted to criminalize hate speech in your home.

    27. KKKonstantin Kisin56:50

        In your home. (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:51

        It's, it really is the ... The real problem is the people that want that job shouldn't have that job.

    29. FFFrancis Foster56:57

        Right.

    30. KKKonstantin Kisin56:58

        Yeah.
15. 1:03:04 – 1:41:22

    COVID as an authoritarian stress test: optics, absurd rules, and 'words are violence'

    1. FFFrancis Foster1:03:04

       You see, that's why I found COVID so fascinating because that was when the mask slipped. And you saw some leaders and you were like, okay, you're trying to do your best. And then you saw the petty little authoritarians come out.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:17

       Yes, yes.

    3. FFFrancis Foster1:03:17

       And you really saw them.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:19

       Yeah.

    5. FFFrancis Foster1:03:19

       And then what was interesting about it as well was that there was some things that were so funny because they were so ridiculous. Do you remember in New Zealand when a guy got arrested for transporting KFC across county lines?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:34

       (laughs)

    7. FFFrancis Foster1:03:34

       He-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:34

       Biological terrorism.

    9. FFFrancis Foster1:03:35

       Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    10. KKKonstantin Kisin1:03:37

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:37

        What did they get him for? What'd they get him for?

    12. FFFrancis Foster1:03:38

        Because he wasn't i- i-... Because during the, the COVID regulations you couldn't move beyond a certain-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:44

        Oh, you had a barrier.

    14. FFFrancis Foster1:03:45

        Yeah, a certain... There was a barrier. And this guy was making money because he was going to KFC, buying it and then basically... And then coming back and being like KFC but for... Drug dealers, but for KFC. And then he was stopped, searched by the police and arrested, and then they listed all of these things in his boot in like two, two tubs of coleslaw, one Coke bottle. And you go, this is...

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:12

        Tens of thousands of dollars.

    16. FFFrancis Foster1:04:13

        Yeah.

    17. KKKonstantin Kisin1:04:15

        Men were charged with breaching the country's t- tough COVID-19 rules.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

        A boot full of KFC chicken and tens of thousands of do-... I think it's the money they're worried about. I think the KFC might have been the-

    19. FFFrancis Foster1:04:23

        (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:23

        The KFC is just kind of a fun detention.

    21. FFFrancis Foster1:04:25

        Oh, right.

    22. KKKonstantin Kisin1:04:26

        Well, no look, it says they were charged for breaching the country's COVID rules, so it's nothing to do with money.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

        Right, right. But they did have tens of thousands of dollars, which means they were selling KFC.

    24. FFFrancis Foster1:04:34

        (laughs)

    25. KKKonstantin Kisin1:04:34

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:35

        That's what they're doing. These dudes had an illegal KFC business. Tough to get KFC during lockdown.

    27. FFFrancis Foster1:04:41

        (laughs)

    28. KKKonstantin Kisin1:04:41

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

        This guy's like, "I'm gonna go out there. I don't have a GPS in my truck. Let's go."

    30. FFFrancis Foster1:04:45

        Yeah.

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