EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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- NANarrator
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
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- JRJoe Rogan
All right, folks. Drop in. (laughs) Good to see you, man.
- BSBart Sibrel
Thank you.
- JRJoe Rogan
We first met, what was it? Like, at least 20 years ago, right?
- BSBart Sibrel
22 years ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
Was it 22?
- BSBart Sibrel
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. So, uh, I had seen your movie, and I don't even remember how I got in touch with you 'cause this is before my podcast. I don't even re-
- BSBart Sibrel
You emailed me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. So, did I email you off your website? Is that what it was?
- BSBart Sibrel
I think so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- BSBart Sibrel
And then you said, "If you're ever in LA, let's meet." And I happened to be in LA when you sent me the email.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah, synchronicity.
- BSBart Sibrel
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So, let's take everybody on this journey with you. So, you were a young man. You were fascinated by NASA. You were a NASA fan. You had NASA photos on the wall of your room. What happened? What happened to you that you, you, you're... Essentially, you're known worldwide as the leading proponent of the moon hoax theory. You're the guy who's researched it the most. You're the guy w- who can auto-recall the most information, and you're the guy that the people that believe the moon landing was real hate the most.
- BSBart Sibrel
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) So, how'd this all happen?
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, let me start by saying a comment about when you said "theory." You know, it's not a theory. They did fake the moon landing. That's a fact, whether people realize it or not.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, but we weren't there, so let's just go on what we know in terms of facts, and I'm gonna call it a theory.
- BSBart Sibrel
Okay, you're so qualified.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just for fun. I'm just trying to... Well, I'm gonna have to steel-man some of the arguments against you, you know, obviously. Ha- I mean, this is a fascinating but yet very challenging subject. I think today, more people are aware of the insanely widespread deception that the government was involved in during the same time as the moon landing. I think this is important. And I know a lot of people, um, who, uh, get very angry when you question the moon landing. Um, they, they use terms like patriotism. They'll... And ter- Uh, national pride, like, "We did this incredible thing, the scientists that we have." I understand what they're saying. I understand where they're coming from entirely. But we have to look at things realistically if we're ever gonna get an accurate picture of how the world works, and I think if we look at the time that we're talking about, the Nixon administration. We talk about the Gulf of Tonkin incident where they got us into Vietnam, where there, it was a bullshit false flag that wound up killing how many people? Was it, like, a million people dead because of that?
- BSBart Sibrel
Three million people, including 58,220 Americans.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, there's that. There's Operation Northwoods during the same time period. Operation Northwoods was, uh, a, a plan that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff where they were going to initiate false flags to try to get us into a war with Cuba. They were gonna blow up a, a drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba. They were gonna arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay. So, there's, there's the Bay of Pigs. There's all these things. There's the Kennedy assassination itself, which they still won't release the files. There's the moon landing, and the moon landing... And then there's Nixon, getting Nixon removed from the White House, which I didn't know was a, a giant government operation, too. Tucker Carlson laid that all out, and I was like, "What?" And then I read a, uh, a bunch about it. It... What he's saying is totally true. This one's the one that people hold onto the most because it's a source of national pride, and it is also... Like, the accomplishments of NASA, the accomplishments of the scientific community, accomplishments of these people that are able to make things like the stealth bomber and all the wild shit that we know that is absolutely real. The space shuttle, Space X, all of the amazing engineers and scientists. Y- It seems to a lot of people that by calling the moon landing fake, you're discounting that work. You're discounting that amazing accomplishment from humans. What I want people to do (sniffs) is to say, "What did they tell the truth about?" If you're... If this is the one thing that you're willing to hang your hat on, 'cause I know they lied about everything. They lied about everything. They, they lied about MKUltra. They were dosing up johns in brothels with acid and monitoring them. They, they dosed up Charles Manson. They probably trained him how to be a cult leader in prison. The whole MKUltra thing is 100% legit, verified. There's plenty of documents on it. Um, they, they experimented on people with acid. (laughs) They did mind control experiments on people. What, what did they tell the truth about? What did they 100... They said, "You know what? I know we're liars, and we get people killed, and we're, you know, funneling money here and there, but what... We can't lie about the moon landing, guys." And everybody agreed, and everybody agreed. This one, this one we're gonna be... This is just... What it is is what it is, and we're gonna give the scientific community access to all the data so everybody knows it's verified. We're gonna have third-party people test everything to make sure it's verified.
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, you brought up a bunch of good points. Um, my opinion is really the opinion of the experts. For example, Robert Kennedy Jr. is 100% certain... He has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does. He's 100% certain that his uncle, President Kennedy, was killed by the CIA. Then, as you mentioned, the Gulf of Tonkin. Robert McNamara, before he died, got it off his chest, said that the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor incident that got America behind the Vietnam War...... never happened. He and the CIA completely fabricated it. Congress passed a law, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, that led to the death of three million people and 58,220 American soldiers without cost. So, if the corrupt federal government is willing to kill their own duly elected president, if they're willing to needlessly kill 58,220 of their own soldiers, I don't think they have a problem faking an image of the moon on television. The problem is, it's a positive lie. You see, whoever killed JFK, you're just changing who did it and why. He's still dead and it's still a tragedy. Or 9/11, you can change who did it and why, but all those people are still dead. This is a positive lie, and people don't wanna give up that candy. And I come along and say, "Wake up and smell the manure." Some people are like, "Well, I know America has gotten bad, but at least we went to the moon." And people need to realize-
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- BSBart Sibrel
... the sheer arrogance of the federal government to pull off the moon landing fraud when there's virtually no eyewitnesses, except three government employees and a picture we have to trust is on the moon from the federal government.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
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(sniffs) Yeah. …
- BSBart Sibrel
they still are. That, that's the thing about the moon landing and why it's so significant. I mean, let, let's take a look at the two possibilities. Either they went to the moon on the first attempt, ahead of schedule, with one millionth the computing power of a cellphone, but today they can only send astronauts 1,000th the distance. Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sniffs) Yeah.
- BSBart Sibrel
Let's say they did that, came back, whoop-de-doo, or they lied to the world, they lied to their own people, they embezzled a modern equivalent of $200 billion.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- BSBart Sibrel
They gave them medals of honor for being such good liars. They printed it on stamps and coins. It's taught in university. If that's true, which it is, that's so much more profound an event than had they actually gone. So, one of the greatest events in human history is actually the faking of the moon landing. And we have to understand, these people are still at large. You don't say-
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- BSBart Sibrel
... "Oh, well, there's a, you know, a child kidnapper in the neighborhood, and one child disappears every month for the last 30, 40 years. Oh, well, what can you do?" These people are in charge right now. They did fake the moon landing. Don't believe me? Go to sabrelle.com, watch 17 clips for free that prove it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you had any debates with people that think we definitely went to the moon and what you're doing is dangerous and ridiculous?
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, (laughs) the most interesting comment I got is I showed all this proof to a college professor of a major university, all this proof. I mean, like I said, shadows intersecting at 90 degrees, which you can't duplicate in sunlight, which means it's electrical light, which means they didn't go to the moon. All this proof, the footage we uncovered-
- JRJoe Rogan
Can I stop you there? That doesn't mean they didn't go to the moon. That means that photograph is faked.
- BSBart Sibrel
Okay, okay. Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right?
- BSBart Sibrel
... why would the pictures be fake if they really went? But in any case-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you could ... no, you could make the argument that the radiation damaged the cameras, and they weren't able to get real photographs, and so they made a, a conscious decision to use fake photographs.
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, I think if you were really going to the moon, you wouldn't dare fake any of it-
- JRJoe Rogan
I-
- BSBart Sibrel
... and be accused of that.
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, I think they had, uh, a lot more hubris back then. They, they faked a lot of photographs back then. It was pretty common. Um, I mean, you know the, the famous one of the Gemini 15, where you see Michael Collins, uh, in a simulation where he's, he's doing a drill and he's attached to wires, and then they just used the same image and blacked it out and reversed it?
- BSBart Sibrel
Yeah, so you're saying NASA has a track record of faking space flights-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or, or-
- BSBart Sibrel
... before then. Yeah, you're right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Publics- ... Or publicity firms that work for NASA had a limited amount of photos to work with, and they decided to manipulate some so that they could have photos that they didn't have of an actual event which really took place-
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, well, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
... which was a space walk.
- BSBart Sibrel
But what we have is them faking being halfway to the moon.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, but they do do things like space walk. They do do things like the Space Center.
- BSBart Sibrel
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, that's where it gets confusing, right?
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, they can't, they can't leave Earth orbit.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's where it gets confusing.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Yeah. There were allegedly…
- JRJoe Rogan
orbit of the moon, a manned orbit of the moon before there was a landing.
- BSBart Sibrel
Yeah. There were allegedly 24 people who have allegedly gone through it to the moon and back. But the footage we uncovered shows them faking being halfway to the moon from Earth orbit. So, it proves that they could not even go halfway to the moon because they're faking being halfway to the moon. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, whatever that footage was, though, in all fairness, that footage wasn't released, right? That footage was found footage, correct?
- BSBart Sibrel
That was outtakes of them-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBart Sibrel
... faking being halfway to the moon, which even my greatest critic agrees that is them faking being halfway to the moon. And they're doing it from Earth orbit, and it's dated two days into the flight, where they're supposed to be-
- JRJoe Rogan
We'll show the video.
- BSBart Sibrel
... halfway to the moon. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
We'll show the video. But if I was going to steel man it...What I would say is, if I'm training these guys to film things, and they're training all day long to do a bunch of different things, one of the things I would do is to train them how to film the earth from the moon. And to stimulate, or to simulate that, I would say, "What you can do is black out all the light when you're in low earth orbit, focus on one of those circular windows, put the transparency or whatever it is in front of the window, and practice that way."
- BSBart Sibrel
Except it's dated.
- JRJoe Rogan
So that way we make sure they get it right.
- BSBart Sibrel
Except it's dated two days and three days into the flight, when they're supposed to be halfway to the moon.
- JRJoe Rogan
Damn, my steel man's not working.
- BSBart Sibrel
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. So let's- let's take a-
- BSBart Sibrel
You're a really bad devil's advocate.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm just trying. I'm just giving-
- BSBart Sibrel
Yeah. Well, here, here, here's something about the-
- JRJoe Rogan
We have to though, right? Don't you think I have to? I mean, this is an important thing.
- BSBart Sibrel
No, you don't. No, you don't, and here's why. Because we've heard their side of the story for 54 years. It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, but Bart, everybody hasn't. This is where you're wrong, because-
- BSBart Sibrel
No, their side of the story.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBart Sibrel
We've heard that the moon landings are real for 54 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
We've heard, you've heard that. But you have, but-
- BSBart Sibrel
So they don't need extra time.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not they-
- BSBart Sibrel
The truth needs extra time.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's the people today that are in the scientific community that believe the moon landing's real. So you have to approach it from the perspective of how they're going to debunk your debunk.
- BSBart Sibrel
Okay. Well, let me tell you something else about the radiation.
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Roger. Houston, Apollo 11.…
- NANarrator
the shot, a crescent shaped piece of black material was inset slightly into the window to create the illusion of the Earth's terminator line dividing night and day. It is uncannily convincing. During this segment, intended to be edited and played back later for the worldwide television audience, dated July 18th, 1969, Neil Armstrong condemns himself as he states that he is 130,000 miles out or halfway to the moon, as the NASA flight log also states on this date, when he is in reality in low Earth orbit of a few hundred miles.
- NANarrator
Roger. Houston, Apollo 11. Calling in from about 130,000 miles out.
- NANarrator
Here during another segment also intended to air after review, Neil Armstrong falsely explains to the viewers how the shot is attained by putting the camera's lens to the window's glass, as it would have to be if they were the claimed distance away from the Earth.
- NANarrator
We only have one, uh, window that, uh, has a view of the Earth, and it's filled up with the TV camera.
- NANarrator
If the window was completely filled up with the TV camera, as he stated, then an astronaut's arm would not be able to get between the camera and the window as it obviously does here in this outtake.
- NANarrator
South America becomes invisible just off, beyond the terminator or inside the shadow.
- NANarrator
You can also notice how the astronaut operating the camera reacted to the mistake by attempting to pan away from it.
- NANarrator
See white bands of major cloud formations across the Earth. And you can see-
- NANarrator
This is a segment that they believed wasn't even being recorded.
- JRJoe Rogan
Keep going.
- NANarrator
Much less suitable for broadcast for the lens was being zoomed out and the scene was being changed to that of an interior of the astronauts at work, and apparently the stop button popped back up on the recorder without notice. Here is the diffused work light that they used to see camera controls but not throw light onto the spacecraft's wall. Here, they remove part of the crescent insert. Finally, the iris is opened up and you can see the real location of the camera and the very bright and near Earth out the window. Here is the slate for the 19th of July.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- BSBart Sibrel
Yeah, if you go through-
- JRJoe Rogan
So, here's, here's what I would say if I was trying to counter what you're saying. All right, the Earth at 130,000 miles out is halfway to the moon. The moon is one-quarter the size of Earth. The moon, uh, on a full moon is fairly bright. I mean, you could walk around outside in the dark. I mean, it's pretty amazing how bright it is when it's a full moon. Imagine that four times greater and twice as close. So, the Earth which has blue reflective light because of the oceans and it's, it's, it's glorious. It glows in the sky. You would imagine that if you were filming Earth from 130,000 miles out, you would have to blacken the insides of the walls and you would ... you probably couldn't get the camera any closer to that window in reality, even by saying it's in front of the window, it's covering the window. You're talking ... I mean, it probably doesn't even fit any closer than that with all the instrumentation. If you were filming it specifically to try to get an image of the Earth and what it looked like at 130,000 miles out, would it even look that small? I don't think it would. It would probably look a lot larger. So, if they're shooting it through this window and the light is probably pretty intense, it might be the only way to film the Earth with the kind of cameras that they had back then would be to do it that way. To block out everything in the room and to film it through that circular window as close as they can get that camera to, and it's just shitty footage of something that they eventually figured out how to do right so that it wasn't deception.
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, the camera's at the back of the spacecraft-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBart Sibrel
... and that's the circular window, and it's filled with the earth.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBart Sibrel
If they were halfway to the moon, and the earth was at the window, the earth would be a tiny dot out that window.
- JRJoe Rogan
It wouldn't be that small.
- BSBart Sibrel
I mean, let, (laughs) let-
- JRJoe Rogan
No. But it wouldn't... But stop. It wouldn't be that small, 'cause the moon's not that small. You get, you gotta think about how big the moon is. Okay? And the moon is one-quarter the size of Earth. Think about how close the moon is. So, the moon is a b- big-ass fucking thing. Right?
- BSBart Sibrel
So, let me ask you this, Joe. Do you think the moon landings are real or not?
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying to you-
- BSBart Sibrel
Okay. But wait, wait a minute.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, but, but...
- BSBart Sibrel
I just wanna know what you think.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because-
- BSBart Sibrel
What do you think?
- JRJoe Rogan
... I am th- I am gonna go at this...
- 1:00:00 – 1:14:48
They wouldn't dare fake…
- BSBart Sibrel
fake any of it, because there are people at the time already saying it was fake. They wouldn't dare fake any of it if it was real. Even during the landing, they showed computer animation. And then all of a sudden, you see that black and white image of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
They wouldn't dare fake it if it was real. And see, this is where we disagree. Because I think if it's very difficult to go there, it's even more difficult to go there and document it, right? And specifically when you're talking about camera equipment. If you take camera equipment, the old s- old school film, and you run it through old school radar detectors at the airport, those metal detectors, it fucks up your camera equipment, right? Doesn't it fuck up your film?
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
But doesn't it? Isn't that correct?
- BSBart Sibrel
It wasn't difficult for them to go to the moon.
- JRJoe Rogan
But hold on.
- BSBart Sibrel
They, they went six times in-
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, but listen to me.
- BSBart Sibrel
... in three years. They drove cars on the moon-
- JRJoe Rogan
But listen to me. But that's not what I'm saying.
- BSBart Sibrel
... played golf on the moon.
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's not what I'm saying.
- BSBart Sibrel
And yet, for some reason, today, they can only send mannequins to orbit the moon?
- JRJoe Rogan
Listen, we're in agreement on this. That's not what I'm saying.
- BSBart Sibrel
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
What I'm saying is, what you could say is that the real pro- maybe they went and they faked the footage. And the reason they faked the footage, 'cause the footage got all fucked up because they went through radiation.
- BSBart Sibrel
I'm sure they would love the public to believe that, because many filmmakers, like myself, agree that the footage is fake. So how can we possibly trick the public into thinking the moon landings are real even though the pictures are fake? Why don't we create a feature film saying, "Well, we just only did it as backup and some of that footage got, got leaked into the real footage"? They showed so li- little real footage to begin with. Why didn't they just have a camera on the side of the rocket showing live pictures during the descent instead of a little Atari computer animation and then suddenly a picture of them stable and coming out of the, out of the spacecraft? Because they faked it. As you know from my book, we have an eyewitness who saw them film-... Apollo 11 at Cannon Air Force Base June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, 1968. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but I have eyewitnesses that were raped by Bigfoot. You can find those.
- BSBart Sibrel
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I'm saying? Like if his son-
- BSBart Sibrel
His, his son, his son-
- JRJoe Rogan
... if it wasn't, if the guy wasn't here-
- BSBart Sibrel
His son, his son-
- JRJoe Rogan
If the guy wasn't here-
- BSBart Sibrel
(laughs) His son corroborates it, and we have a video of that we can show. The, the point is, and it's not even in my book, okay, the first thing the guy says as he's dying, about to meet his maker, fearing not being on the right side of judgment, is that he's a murderer, he killed somebody. His son, who you can go to sabrelle.com, watch his son's testimony, who saw his father's deathbed confession, he said, "Who did you kill?" He said, "I killed a coworker at Cannon Air Force Base where he was the chief of security." The military police came in and they interrogated him as he's dying, wanted to notify the relatives of the person who he killed. "Who did you kill?" "Such and such a person, a fellow employee at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968." "Why did you kill him?" "We both eyewitnessed the filming of the fake moon landing July, uh, sorry, June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 1968. My friend thought it was morally wrong, he was gonna tell a reporter, and I killed him to cover it up." His son confirmed he was chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base, he lived right across the street from it. He stood beside President Johnson who was there for the first of three days of filming, he gave him a list of 15 people that were there, who were allowed in the VIP entrance to eyewitness it. Neil Armstrong's on the list, Buzz Aldrin is on the list, and several people I never heard of. We got that list, we publish it in my book. Th- And this is, this is real, his son, after telling me this information and confirming it, his house was broken into a few days later, everything about his father was confiscated. Days after that, two agents show up from the government, this is less than two years ago, threaten to kill him and his family if he ever talks to me again about his father's participation in the moon landing fraud. The White House was involved in investigating this, the FBI was, and the United States Senate Intelligence Committee investigated this, and that man and those reports are sealed because it's a great embarrassment to the federal government that they did actually fake the moon landing. I was the biggest fan. If I can go from being the biggest fan to having to accept the sad fact that our government is that arrogant. And not only that, I interviewed the widow of Gus Grissom who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we should explain one of the things that Gus Grissom did that got people very angry. He hung a lemon.
- BSBart Sibrel
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, explain that.
- BSBart Sibrel
Well, basically he was, he was totally confused how they could possibly think they're going to the moon in two years, he thought it was at least 10 years away, and, and still we can't even go now, right? Because of the radiation. And he was preparing reports to give to Congress and the Senate that his wife told me were confiscated from his house by CIA agents before they even informed her that he was dead, which had, he had died a few minutes earlier. She told me, I interviewed her for four hours, this is the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon, and he was the most beloved of the press corps. And he was so frustrated he kept complaining up the chain of command, they wouldn't fix anything because the higher-ups knew they weren't gonna go and hadn't committed yet to faking it, and therefore hadn't told the astronauts yet. And that's why they weren't fixing anything.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is your belief?
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