Joe Rogan Experience #2147 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 4:19

   Kendrick vs. Drake beef turns real: rap battles, ghostwriters, and a Toronto shooting

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (energetic music) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Mike Baker, it's very important that I ask you about this.

   3. MBMike Baker0:15

      What's that? (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      'Cause, uh, I know you're an expert on conflict. How do you feel about the, uh, Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef?

   5. MBMike Baker0:22

      (exhales) Man, I am so glad you asked (laughs) me about this.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      (laughs)

   7. MBMike Baker0:24

      Because my boys, you know, I got, I got three boys, and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Yeah.

   9. MBMike Baker0:30

      (clears throat) And they want to, they, they want to talk about it, right? So, S- (laughs) Scooter will say, "God, did you hear what he said?" And, it's like, "Re- honestly, no, I haven't." But, um, they've, they've all brought this up. Uh, I am completely unfamiliar with the, uh... Although it sounds like the old days, east versus west, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah, I, I think it's-

   11. MBMike Baker0:46

       In the old rap battles.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... a g- it's a personality thing, 'cause one of them is Toronto, so it's actually America versus Canada.

   13. MBMike Baker0:53

       Oh, well, that's right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       It's, it's a real conflict there.

   15. MBMike Baker0:56

       And which one is the, uh, the little guy?

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Kendrick Lamar.

   17. MBMike Baker0:58

       Kendrick Lamar, that's right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       (laughs)

   19. MBMike Baker0:59

       (laughs) Yeah, so that's what my middle boy, Slugo, said.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       (laughs)

   21. MBMike Baker1:02

       I think he's, like, 5'1" or something.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       He's not a big fella.

   23. MBMike Baker1:05

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Him, uh, and Drake have been going at it now four songs apiece, so eight songs dedicated to beef.

   25. MBMike Baker1:13

       I think that's fantastic. I think we need-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Pretty wild.

   27. MBMike Baker1:14

       ... more of that, right? It's better than the, uh, Hamas conflict.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Is there more?

   29. MBMike Baker1:17

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Security guard injured in shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto.
2. 4:19 – 6:04

   AI voice cloning and deepfakes: from new Randy Travis songs to fabricated scandals

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      Did you hear that Randy Travis-

   2. MBMike Baker4:21

      George Jones.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:21

      Randy Travis is using AI now to make new songs? Because he's, he was paralyzed by a stroke.

   4. MBMike Baker4:27

      (inhales deeply) Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      But because they could take his voice, which is an iconic voice-

   6. MBMike Baker4:32

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      ... Randy Travis has it.

   8. MBMike Baker4:34

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      Incredible voice. But because of AI, they can get recordings of him singing, and he could plug it into AI and he can still make songs.

   10. MBMike Baker4:43

       And you know how much of a recording they need nowadays-

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Oh, yeah.

   12. MBMike Baker4:46

       ... to actually mimic the entire range of a person's voice? As, as-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       I think it's 30 seconds.

   14. MBMike Baker4:50

       ... but less than that now. Start-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       Really?

   16. MBMike Baker4:51

       Not that long ago, it was 30 seconds. Now you need a snippet, and by a snippet, I mean seconds.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       Yeah.

   18. MBMike Baker4:56

       And you can then, you can, you can then, uh, mimic that voice through a range of emotions-

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Mm.

   20. MBMike Baker5:02

       ... uh, and, and, uh, scenarios. It's, it's stunning what they can do.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       There was a guy who just got fired because he made a fake AI recording of a guy he worked for saying a bunch of racist things.

   22. MBMike Baker5:17

       Okay. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       And the guy, like, everybody was attacking him, he got in trouble, and then they somehow or another did an analysis on it and realized-

   24. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)5:24

       The select director did it to, like, the principal of the high school.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       Right.

   26. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)5:28

       Because he was about to get fired, so he was like, "All right, instead of me getting fired, watch this."

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Right, he thought he was being slick.

   28. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)5:32

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       But he's a dummy, and he didn't know that they can tell.

   30. MBMike Baker5:35

       (laughs)
3. 6:04 – 11:27

   Detecting the fake isn’t enough: watermarking, provenance, and public responsibility

   1. MBMike Baker6:04

      There's, there's two aspects of this whole thing, right? There's the, there's the detection portion of it, right? Can you detect, like, something like this is, is fake-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:11

      Right.

   3. MBMike Baker6:11

      ... whether it's audio, whether it's video, uh, combination of both? And then there's the other side of it, which is, uh, uh, trying to stay up with the capabilities of those that are trying to do these, you know, identity thefts or whatever you want to call it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MBMike Baker6:24

      And that's the, um, that's sort of the proactive effort to lock down recordings, right? And there's some, some interesting work being done in that space, where if you film something... Say you go to a, a campaign rally and you film that campaign rally, there are, um, there are a handful of companies out there figuring out that you can, uh, essentially watermark it, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MBMike Baker6:46

      So that it cannot be fucked with, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      Mm-hmm.

   9. MBMike Baker6:49

      And that you can determine if it's an actual recording or not. And that's really... I mean, you think about, you know, how much disinformation is roiling around out there now, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Yeah.

   11. MBMike Baker6:57

       So, but detection, it's important, but it's not enough anymore. So where the focus has to be is on ensuring that anything that's being recorded, whether it's a body cam for a police officer, whether it's maybe someone's at a protest, right? And they're, and they're a protester or they're on the other side, whatever. To be able to, to film something and then ensure that it's accurate and true going forward, right? That's, that's a really important part, because you can't... The detection side of it's important, but it can't stay up with the developments of all the folks out there.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       Right.

   13. MBMike Baker7:27

       All the criminal gangs, criminal elements, and whether it's state sponsored or not that's out there, you know, j- just with this disinformation effort. So, I mean, it's a fascinating, it's a fascinating problem. But people are getting duped constantly.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       It's a fascinating problem that is only going to get worse.

   15. MBMike Baker7:42

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       As these new versions of AI get rolled out, it's going to be more and more difficult to detect what's true and what's fake.

   17. MBMike Baker7:49

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       It's... And people can do it on their computer so easy now. I was... (laughs) This one of Biden, he's walking and he pauses to talk to people, and they CGI'd shit, like, that he's pooping himself.

   19. MBMike Baker8:04

       I saw that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Yeah, that one?

   21. MBMike Baker8:05

       The one where, the one where he kind of stops. He pauses-

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       He's in that weird pause.

   23. MBMike Baker8:08

       ... like he's got to fart. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       And then you just see him poop himself.

   25. MBMike Baker8:11

       And people are out there saying, "Look, that's a, that's a mid-stage dementia stance," right? That's what they're, that's what they're saying now. They're, they're talking about that. I don't know, I don't know about that, but, but look, there's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       Well, something's going on.

   27. MBMike Baker8:23

       There are... If you talk about, uh, just, uh, what do they call it? Face swap, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MBMike Baker8:28

       So, they can take a photo of somebody now. They can take a little snippet of, of somebody talking now. And there are over 100 apps out there, readily available to anybody, right? Um, that can basically do this fape s- face-swap technology and put somebody else in there. And the, and criminal elements are doing it all the time, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Yeah.
4. 11:27 – 17:28

   IQ vs. emotional intelligence: why social skills and empathy matter more than test scores

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:27

      ... that are concerned about Drake and Kendrick Lamar and don't even know what's going on in Gaza.

   2. MBMike Baker11:32

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:32

      They're much more concerned with them. Like we have, like a lot of 84 IQ-ers out there bouncing around, walking into traffic.

   4. MBMike Baker11:38

      Yeah, 84's, what, is that average nowadays? Or is that... I don't even know. Um...

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:42

      I think it's 15% of the population is 84 and below, right? Is that what it is? Remember when we looked that up?

   6. MBMike Baker11:47

      50%?

   7. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)11:48

      Yeah, but that would also mean 15% is whatever 100 and, plus and above too.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:51

      What's the actual numbers? Like let's-

   9. MBMike Baker11:53

      Yeah, yeah.

   10. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)11:53

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       Let's get a pie chart of IQs.

   12. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)11:55

       Let's see, it's, uh, a g- it's a standard deviation thing for, uh...

   13. MBMike Baker11:59

       See, already I know that you're above 84 just because you said that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:02

       Yeah, you said standard eight- deviation.

   15. MBMike Baker12:04

       Wow. Wow.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       And he Googles with one hand.

   17. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)12:06

       Yeah. (laughs) So like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       (laughs)

   19. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)12:07

       It's 'cause Carl's being petted.

   20. MBMike Baker12:09

       (laughs)

   21. GVGuest (secondary in-room voice)12:09

       Just no matter what, almost no matter what thing you're trying to average out, they're almost always end up looking this way, and 15% will always be on that side of it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       Bro, fif- wh- what, what percentage? 0.1% are 55 and below? Fuck. 2% of the population is 70.... Jesus, between 55 and 70, 2% of the population. And then 14% of the population is 85.

   23. MBMike Baker12:31

       Yeah, but 34% is below a hundred.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       So, most people are between 85 and 115, and me, I'm in that sweet zone-

   25. MBMike Baker12:40

       Mm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       ... between 115 and 130.

   27. MBMike Baker12:42

       Are you?

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       Yeah.

   29. MBMike Baker12:42

       Really? That's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       Yeah.
5. 17:28 – 29:38

   Kids rejecting ‘woke’ culture: schools, furries, pronouns, and the limits of indulgence

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:28

      Reports from the front lines-

   2. MBMike Baker17:30

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:30

      ... of kids in high school today.

   4. MBMike Baker17:32

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:32

      That woke shit's out the window. That word retard comes flying-

   6. MBMike Baker17:35

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:36

      ... out of these kids' mouths. They're- they're bringing that back strong.

   8. MBMike Baker17:39

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:40

      They are bringing that back strong.

   10. MBMike Baker17:42

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       I'll tell you, that woke thing, it got into college, it ... And then the high school kids, the ones coming up now-

   12. MBMike Baker17:47

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       ... they are rejecting it.

   14. MBMike Baker17:49

       I 100% agree with you, and I- and I know that because, um, our youngest, uh, uh, Mugsy, he's, like, what, 12 years old now. And so he's in seventh grade, and he- it was in the complete blast zone of woke, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Mm.

   16. MBMike Baker18:03

       The c- And- and, like, the oldest one who's, you know, 16, he kinda had some of it. The middle one, again, didn't care. He was like, uh, you know, "Fuck you. You don't play ball, so I'm not paying attention to you."

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:12

       (laughs)

   18. MBMike Baker18:12

       And, um ... But the youngest one was in the complete firing z- you know, fire zone of this- this- this- this woke culture.... and you'll never meet a more (laughs) conservative, sexist kid in your life.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       (laughs)

   20. MBMike Baker18:25

       'Cause he's just like, I... Y- he'll come back and he'll tell us some stories from his, his school, which is a great school, but it's, it's pretty woke, it's pretty liberal, right? You got, you got kids walking around as furries. You got-

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       No.

   22. MBMike Baker18:36

       ... a lot of multicolored hair, you got all sorts of things going on there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       (laughs)

   24. MBMike Baker18:39

       And, uh, and he'll come back and tell us stories and he's just like, "I just don't understand what the hell's happened." And so-

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       Because he works hard at a sport.

   26. MBMike Baker18:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:46

       And that's what you get from a lot of people that work hard at sports, people that value hard work. And people that value hard work tend to be more conservative and-

   28. MBMike Baker18:52

       I think so, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:52

       ... more less inclined to indulge people on their mental illness, you know? "Oh, you're a cat? No, you're not. You have cat ears on."

   30. MBMike Baker19:00

       (laughs)
6. 29:38 – 44:30

   CIA disguise craft: Hollywood-grade masks, surveillance tradecraft, and “acting” in the field

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:38

      It's very fascist. I wanted to ask you this before I forget.

   2. MBMike Baker29:39

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:40

      When you were, uh, working for the agency, did you guys... I know that there is a program where they would use special effects makeup-

   4. MBMike Baker29:49

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:49

      ... to change someone's appearance.

   6. MBMike Baker29:51

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:51

      Have you ever seen that in person?

   8. MBMike Baker29:53

      Oh, yes. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:54

      How does it look?

   10. MBMike Baker29:55

       Yeah. It, um... Well, it, it gets better all the time, right? Because-

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       So if I go to a concert, like, could I sneak into-

   12. MBMike Baker30:01

       Sure. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:02

       ... sneak into a concert with a rubber nose?

   14. MBMike Baker30:03

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:05

       Get me a nice blonde wig.

   16. MBMike Baker30:06

       Yeah, yeah. That's what we used to do. We'd hand out rubber noses and, uh, googly eyes. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       (laughs)

   18. MBMike Baker30:10

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       Who in the... (laughs)

   20. MBMike Baker30:11

       So then nobody would see us coming.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Like Clark Kent.

   22. MBMike Baker30:14

       Uh, yeah. No, we have a disguise, uh, unit, uh, at the agency, and I'm, I'm super proud of them. And I, I, I was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions because you might guess, I mean, I, I'd spent almost all my time with the agency overseas in operations, and there's some places where I don't blend, right? In.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Crazy.

   24. MBMike Baker30:33

       And so... I know. I know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       So they blended you just like on Team America: World Police?

   26. MBMike Baker30:37

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Remember?

   28. MBMike Baker30:37

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Bro, should have pictured that.

   30. MBMike Baker30:39

       One of the, one of the, one of the greatest...
7. 44:30 – 46:46

   Masks at protests, facial recognition, and the modern surveillance state problem

   1. MBMike Baker44:30

      'Cause I- I- I, uh... There's been some talk about the protests on campus, right? And the fact that all these (laughs) - all these outside agitators, activists, and then the students, the- the- the actual students, the ones that are actually affiliated with the university, most of them wearing masks, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan44:44

      Right.

   3. MBMike Baker44:44

      And, you know, I- part of it is... (sighs) I don't know. It- it's just-

   4. JRJoe Rogan44:49

      They're- they're mentally ill.

   5. MBMike Baker44:50

      Yeah, they're mentally ill. It's a s- ah, God.

   6. JRJoe Rogan44:51

      I pho- I photograph people every time I see them. I photographed one today.

   7. MBMike Baker44:54

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan44:55

      Saw somebody walking outside with a mask on, the dumb kind, too, the surgical glue stupid one?

   9. MBMike Baker44:59

      Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan44:59

       That doesn't do a goddamn thing.

   11. MBMike Baker45:01

       But this was- I think was- was a solidarity thing. They're all wearing masks. And part of it was also, I think, they were thinking they couldn't be identified.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:07

       Yeah.

   13. MBMike Baker45:07

       And then there's- there's a lot of talk about retinal scanning, right? So, how much of the face do you need in order to identify people, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:14

       How much do you n-

   15. MBMike Baker45:14

       And it's not-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       Not much?

   17. MBMike Baker45:15

       ... much, right? Retinal scanning, it's not 100% accurate, so there's other things you have to do, but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       So would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on?

   19. MBMike Baker45:24

       Yeah. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       Just retinal scan her-

   21. MBMike Baker45:26

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       ... and then none of that shit would work. The mustache also wouldn't work.

   23. MBMike Baker45:28

       Well, which is- which is... And that's... Yeah, that's a great point.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Now you got glue on your face for another- (laughs)

   25. MBMike Baker45:33

       (laughs) And that shit is tough to take off, too.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       (laughs) Oh, that's gross.

   27. MBMike Baker45:35

       It's not good.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       (laughs) .

   29. MBMike Baker45:37

       Um, so, uh, yeah. A- and that's a- that's a- it's a really good point, because now it's made the life of- of somebody who's working, uh, in operations a lot tougher, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Right.
8. 46:46 – 1:07:55

   Campus protests aren’t organic: funding networks, NGOs, and foreign influence incentives

   1. JRJoe Rogan46:46

      They all think they're doing something great. They think they're going to fix it. It's- it's, you know, a lot of misplaced energy (taps desk) with tents.

   2. MBMike Baker46:55

      With tents. And with- with matching tents.

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:57

      Yeah.

   4. MBMike Baker46:57

      And um, and that's, that's the part. Look, I (sighs) again, you know, hey, God bless the- the actual students who are out there, feeling like they're being a part of something. I get that. They're young people. Most of them are gormless, right? They're just saying whatever, right? This is, you know, this is their moment to shine. So they're excited. So they don't... And they, you know, most of them couldn't find Gaza on a- on a map of Gaza. So I think that, you know, that's- that's one side of it, right? And I can't, you know... Whatever. But it's the, it's the coordination of it all-

   5. JRJoe Rogan47:23

      Right.

   6. MBMike Baker47:23

      ... by the various outside-

   7. JRJoe Rogan47:24

      Right.

   8. MBMike Baker47:24

      ... groups and the activists and the funding of it, right? And the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to groups like Hamas or Hezbollah, which basically means you're tying back to the Iranian regime, right? Because they, that's the only reason those groups exist. But nobody seems curious about that because a lot of the media wanted to portray this as just like kids being kids. "Oh, look at it. This is their moment to shine-"

   9. JRJoe Rogan47:48

      Right.

   10. MBMike Baker47:48

       "... as- as student activists."

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:50

       Right.

   12. MBMike Baker47:50

       "And isn't it wonderful? And it's their Vietnam protests," and- and bullshit. Some of it... Okay, fine. So it's layered, right? So some of that's true. You got those kids that are just doing that. But there- there's the incuriosity of the media to say, "Well, what the hell is behind this?" Right? "And what groups?" Is it- is it students for Justice in Palestine? Is it, um, US Campaign for Palestinian Rights, Samidoun, right, which has connections back to Hamas? Um, there's an education for whatever, Just Peace in the Middle East. There's groups that have been actively engaging in this. And that's why you get the coordination of all of this, right? It's that... But nobody asks, "Okay, what's behind it?" "Oh, just students acting." No, it's not. It's- it's a coordinated effort. And then you look at those groups who are always active in this- in this realm, right? And always looking to, uh, have organizations disinvest from, uh, Israel or to, uh, promote causes that are anti-Israeli, right? And then you say, "Okay, well, who's funding it?" Right? So you look at these groups and you say, "Okay, where's the money coming from?" The money is always coming from the same places, right? The, uh, the Tides center, right? Which is part of the Tides Network, which gets significant funding, no surprise, from Soros' Open Society Foundation. Um, you get Westchester People's, whatever, Action Coalition. Um, so you get these groups and you get the legal support. So all these people, the activists who are getting arrested, they can turn to Palestine Legal, which provides-... legal support to the activists and the NGOs that are-

   13. JRJoe Rogan49:25

       And who funds that?

   14. MBMike Baker49:25

       ... engaged in all this. Again, you get, they, they're getting their money-

   15. JRJoe Rogan49:28

       (clears throat)

   16. MBMike Baker49:28

       ... from charities. A lot of times the charities don't know they're putting money into these groups, right? It g- it goes into the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, right? And the Rockefeller Brothers Fund provides money to these NGOs, you know, like Justice for, you know, Palestine or whatever. And then, uh... (sighs) And, and Rockefeller Brothers gets m- m- you know, funding from, uh, Soros Open Society Foundation as well.

   17. JRJoe Rogan49:52

       That guy-

   18. MBMike Baker49:53

       That guy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan49:54

       ... seems to be a bit of a problem.

   20. MBMike Baker49:54

       Right. Well, yeah. And now his kid is even more of an activist than George is, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan49:58

       Of course.

   22. MBMike Baker49:58

       I mean, his kid is, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:59

       His kid inherited it.

   24. MBMike Baker50:00

       Kid inherited it. Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan50:01

       So he's gotta make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke.

   26. MBMike Baker50:05

       Yeah. (laughs) And, and he is, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan50:06

       And extra guilty-

   28. MBMike Baker50:07

       Oh, God. F-

   29. JRJoe Rogan50:08

       ... for having all those billions. You should feel guilty, you little fuck.

   30. MBMike Baker50:11

       Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

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