Joe Rogan Experience #2147 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (energetic music) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Mike Baker, it's very important that I ask you about this.

   3. MBMike Baker0:15

      What's that? (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      'Cause, uh, I know you're an expert on conflict. How do you feel about the, uh, Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef?

   5. MBMike Baker0:22

      (exhales) Man, I am so glad you asked (laughs) me about this.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      (laughs)

   7. MBMike Baker0:24

      Because my boys, you know, I got, I got three boys, and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Yeah.

   9. MBMike Baker0:30

      (clears throat) And they want to, they, they want to talk about it, right? So, S- (laughs) Scooter will say, "God, did you hear what he said?" And, it's like, "Re- honestly, no, I haven't." But, um, they've, they've all brought this up. Uh, I am completely unfamiliar with the, uh... Although it sounds like the old days, east versus west, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah, I, I think it's-

   11. MBMike Baker0:46

       In the old rap battles.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... a g- it's a personality thing, 'cause one of them is Toronto, so it's actually America versus Canada.

   13. MBMike Baker0:53

       Oh, well, that's right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       It's, it's a real conflict there.

   15. MBMike Baker0:56

       And which one is the, uh, the little guy?

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Kendrick Lamar.

   17. MBMike Baker0:58

       Kendrick Lamar, that's right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       (laughs)

   19. MBMike Baker0:59

       (laughs) Yeah, so that's what my middle boy, Slugo, said.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       (laughs)

   21. MBMike Baker1:02

       I think he's, like, 5'1" or something.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       He's not a big fella.

   23. MBMike Baker1:05

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Him, uh, and Drake have been going at it now four songs apiece, so eight songs dedicated to beef.

   25. MBMike Baker1:13

       I think that's fantastic. I think we need-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Pretty wild.

   27. MBMike Baker1:14

       ... more of that, right? It's better than the, uh, Hamas conflict.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Is there more?

   29. MBMike Baker1:17

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Security guard injured in shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. MBMike Baker15:00

      It- and- and that's how kids learn to do it, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Yeah.

   3. MBMike Baker15:03

      I mean, people always ask, you know, about- with- with parenting, the kids are watching from the time they're nuggets, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Yep.

   5. MBMike Baker15:10

      And they absorb shit, and, you know, if you want your kid to be empathetic, you've gotta demonstrate that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Yes.

   7. MBMike Baker15:15

      You've gotta demonstrate kindness. You've gotta demonstrate consideration.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      Mm-hmm.

   9. MBMike Baker15:18

      Uh, our boys ... My daughter's great at it. My daughter is, uh, is- is very good. And our boys are- are boys. They're- they're aggressive and competitive and- and all that. They ... But, um, I think ours probably follow the traditional sort of multi-kid path, right? So, like, the oldest boy is- is empathetic, right? And kind and- and- and considerate and-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       The youngest boy's probably a savage.

   11. MBMike Baker15:40

       Youngest- youngest boy's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       He's- he's got to deal-

   13. MBMike Baker15:42

       ... he's like the fucking mayor of party town.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       That's what I'm saying.

   15. MBMike Baker15:44

       Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       'Cause he's gotta deal with the older brothers.

   17. MBMike Baker15:46

       Exactly.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       So he had to grow up quicker.

   19. MBMike Baker15:48

       Yeah. And the middle boy, he's, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       They're usually better at things, too.

   21. MBMike Baker15:51

       Um, yeah, I ... Actually, you know what? He's- he's this ... My wife says, uh, who's the greatest person I know, she- she calls him the sleeper, right? Because he kinda comes in on the radar. You don't expect him to be great at something, and then he is, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Mm-hmm.

   23. MBMike Baker16:04

       Because he's been watching, and he's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       He's been watched.

   25. MBMike Baker16:05

       ... pissed off, and he wants to be better than his brothers.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Yes. Yes.

   27. MBMike Baker16:08

       Right? And then the middle boy is- is just like ... He's just like, "Fuck you. Get out of my way." Uh, you know, he's the basketball player. He's down-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       He's into his own head.

   29. MBMike Baker16:15

       ... at IMG. He's into his own thing, and- and he's- he's a great kid, but he's just like, "This is what I'm gonna do. I don't know what you're doing or what you're doing, but here's- here's me." Right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       He's gotta focus.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Sure. Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      like, could I sneak into-

   2. MBMike Baker30:01

      Sure. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      ... sneak into a concert with a rubber nose?

   4. MBMike Baker30:03

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Get me a nice blonde wig.

   6. MBMike Baker30:06

      Yeah, yeah. That's what we used to do. We'd hand out rubber noses and, uh, googly eyes. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      (laughs)

   8. MBMike Baker30:10

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Who in the... (laughs)

   10. MBMike Baker30:11

       So then nobody would see us coming.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Like Clark Kent.

   12. MBMike Baker30:14

       Uh, yeah. No, we have a disguise, uh, unit, uh, at the agency, and I'm, I'm super proud of them. And I, I, I was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions because you might guess, I mean, I, I'd spent almost all my time with the agency overseas in operations, and there's some places where I don't blend, right? In.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Crazy.

   14. MBMike Baker30:33

       And so... I know. I know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       So they blended you just like on Team America: World Police?

   16. MBMike Baker30:37

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Remember?

   18. MBMike Baker30:37

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Bro, should have pictured that.

   20. MBMike Baker30:39

       One of the, one of the, one of the greatest...

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       (laughs) What, what a, what a creep.

   22. MBMike Baker30:41

       Uh, Hans Pricks. Hans Pricks.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       How good is that movie?

   24. MBMike Baker30:45

       Yeah, that's a... It's the greatest movie ever.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       They're the best.

   26. MBMike Baker30:47

       Yeah. When they, when they-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Trey Parker and Matt Stone are the fucking best.

   28. MBMike Baker30:50

       Oh, my God. When they did the puppet sex-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Or Matt Stone and Trey Parker? Did I switch their names?

   30. MBMike Baker30:53

       Yeah. Matt... Uh, yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   But this was- I…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      a goddamn thing.

   2. MBMike Baker45:01

      But this was- I think was- was a solidarity thing. They're all wearing masks. And part of it was also, I think, they were thinking they couldn't be identified.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah.

   4. MBMike Baker45:07

      And then there's- there's a lot of talk about retinal scanning, right? So, how much of the face do you need in order to identify people, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      How much do you n-

   6. MBMike Baker45:14

      And it's not-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Not much?

   8. MBMike Baker45:15

      ... much, right? Retinal scanning, it's not 100% accurate, so there's other things you have to do, but-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      So would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on?

   10. MBMike Baker45:24

       Yeah. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       Just retinal scan her-

   12. MBMike Baker45:26

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       ... and then none of that shit would work. The mustache also wouldn't work.

   14. MBMike Baker45:28

       Well, which is- which is... And that's... Yeah, that's a great point.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Now you got glue on your face for another- (laughs)

   16. MBMike Baker45:33

       (laughs) And that shit is tough to take off, too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       (laughs) Oh, that's gross.

   18. MBMike Baker45:35

       It's not good.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       (laughs) .

   20. MBMike Baker45:37

       Um, so, uh, yeah. A- and that's a- that's a- it's a really good point, because now it's made the life of- of somebody who's working, uh, in operations a lot tougher, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Right.

   22. MBMike Baker45:46

       Because of the ability of... And it's gotta be a country where you're operating where they've got the resources and the technology, but it makes it a- a shit-ton tougher to get away with things, right? And I- as does the ability for communications intercepts and tracking of phones and- and all the other things. So, you know, while, uh, you know, it's- it's always the same story, right? Technology's got an upside and a downside. Um, but the- the face recognition, the retinal scanning, um, it's creating all sorts of problems from an operational perspective overseas. And here, of course, the problem is, you know, people are talking about civil liberties and invasion of privacy, and so you've got some students out there, and they're covered, and next thing you know, they're identified, right? Now they're suspended. In... You know. Uh, fine. Y- y- you know, you- y- yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       Not only that, some of them aren't getting to graduate.

   24. MBMike Baker46:34

       (laughs) Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       This one girl, I was watching this video. They were, they just told her she couldn't graduate because she got arrested.

   26. MBMike Baker46:40

       Well, you know what? You- you- you... What do they say? You play stupid games-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       Yeah, you win stupid prizes.

   28. MBMike Baker46:45

       ... you know? Yeah, so yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       They all think they're doing something great. They think they're going to fix it. It's- it's, you know, a lot of misplaced energy (taps desk) with tents.

   30. MBMike Baker46:55

       With tents. And with- with matching tents.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:27

   Yeah. …

   1. MBMike Baker1:00:00

      not gonna happen. So you know what we're doing? We're investing in all of this shit, including fossil fuels." So I think that whether it's that or whether it's the kind of the pushback on DEI from corporations that are saying, um, you know, maybe it is a grift, right? Maybe you've got all these DEI grifters out there and they got it. It's a cottage industry. They can make a lot of money off of this bullshit. Get a lot of government grants and all this things. So... But I think there's some pushback. Universities, I think are a tougher issue.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Yeah.

   3. MBMike Baker1:00:24

      Right. Um, I don't think... Unless, unless parents and kids just say, "I'm not going to that bullshit." I mean, look-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Well-

   5. MBMike Baker1:00:30

      Have you seen some of these kids at these supposedly elite universities talk?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

      (laughs)

   7. MBMike Baker1:00:34

      How the fuck did they get into these universities? Because they must have passed at the application process.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

      Well, some kids are just really bad-

   9. MBMike Baker1:00:40

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       ... at talking. They're good, good at school work.

   11. MBMike Baker1:00:42

       So you think that's what it is? (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Yeah.

   13. MBMike Baker1:00:44

       Yeah. Yeah. Could be. Could be.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Well, I, I think, you know, you, you basically have to just memorize what they're teaching you. And that's, that doesn't require a lot of critical thinking.

   15. MBMike Baker1:00:54

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       And then when you have to think on your own and say, "What does from the river to the sea mean?"

   17. MBMike Baker1:00:58

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       What do you mean?

   19. MBMike Baker1:00:59

       What river are we talking about?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       What does that mean?

   21. MBMike Baker1:01:00

       What sea are we talking about?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       And what does that mean?

   23. MBMike Baker1:01:02

       Yeah. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       What happens to the Jews-

   25. MBMike Baker1:01:03

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       ... that live there?

   27. MBMike Baker1:01:04

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Where do they go? They go back to Germany?

   29. MBMike Baker1:01:05

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Like what are you saying?

Episode duration: 2:54:52