Joe Rogan Experience #2155 - Brian Redban

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) And we're out.

Brian Redban 0:13 Wazzup?

Joe Rogan 0:13 Hey, fella.

Brian Redban 0:14 Hey, buddy.

Joe Rogan 0:15 What's crackalackin'?

Brian Redban 0:16 Nothin'.

Joe Rogan 0:17 Have you been fucking around with the ChatGPT? I saw you brought it.

Brian Redban 0:19 Yeah. I got the, uh, I just got the 4.0, the one that they've been showing where you could talk-

Joe Rogan 0:24 Yeah.

Brian Redban 0:24 ... to it naturally and stuff.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Duncan had it in the green room. We were talking shit to it.

Brian Redban 0:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:28 About it replacing us.

Brian Redban 0:29 Yeah. It, it's pretty c- crazy, you know?

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yeah.

Brian Redban 0:33 Like, like, it, it's weird how AI came out of nowhere and then we're like, "We're ... how long has this been, you know, being worked on?"

Joe Rogan 0:41 Yeah.

Brian Redban 0:41 And then now it's, like, everywhere. Like, my, my, uh, uh, vacuum cleaner has AI now. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 0:47 What does it do?

Brian Redban 0:48 It, uh, it's one of those robot vacs where it scans your whole house and then, like, it de- detects things using AI. Like, "Oh, that's shit. Don't run over it," or ...

Joe Rogan 0:57 (laughs)

Brian Redban 0:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:58 So like if your dog shits on the floor-

Brian Redban 0:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:59 ... it recognizes dog shit?

Brian Redban 1:00 Yeah. And it, and it doesn't do a good job 'cause it, the first thing it did it went right over to this dog shit and just started smearing dog shit through the whole entire kitchen.

Joe Rogan 1:07 (laughs) Why's your dog shitting in the kitchen?

Brian Redban 1:09 'Cause once in a while, you know, dogs, Shih Tzus don't care. They're like, "I, I have to shit. I don't wanna bother anyone."

Joe Rogan 1:16 (laughs)

Brian Redban 1:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17 That's the problem Jamie has with Carl.

Brian Redban 1:19 Yeah. It's that little dog thing.

Joe Rogan 1:21 You gotta keep an eye on Carl. Carl will just drop a deuce anywhere.

Brian Redban 1:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 1:24 He does it quick.

Joe Rogan 1:25 I think when they're really little, they don't understand outside.

Brian Redban 1:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Like, everything is so big.

Brian Redban 1:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:30 (laughs) Like, like, "Why would I go outside when I can shit right here?"

Brian Redban 1:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:33 There's n- I'm nowhere ... I'm, I don't sleep anywhere near this pile.

Brian Redban 1:36 Yeah. (laughs) It's gross though, having shit smeared all over your floor. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:42 Oh. (laughs) Especially by a super smart AI vacuum cleaner.

Brian Redban 1:46 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 1:46 That's so dumb. Yeah, there's all these different things are gonna sync together. Like that's one of the things that people say about Samsung. Like people that are Samsung fan boys, like if you have a Samsung refrigerator and a Samsung TV and a Samsung pho- like you could use your phone to control everything.

Brian Redban 2:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Your phone will like ... There, there's, there's r- c- I guess there's refrigerators out there, I don't know exactly where they're at right now, 'cause I only saw like an ad for them, where your refrigerator will tell you when things are gonna expire.

Brian Redban 2:17 Right. It scans the-

Joe Rogan 2:18 So like ... Yeah.

Brian Redban 2:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:18 So if you've got orange juice or something like that, "Your orange juice is only good for three more days." Like that kind of shit.

Brian Redban 2:23 Yeah. That's only if you place that orange juice with the date facing the camera probably, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:29 Oh, yeah.

Brian Redban 2:30 Yeah. I, I think that has been out for a while but it doesn't really work great. There's a few things refrigerators do that have too much technology in them.

Joe Rogan 2:38 What it, what impresses the shit about me, and the thing that entices me towards, uh, Samsung phones, is the, the AI with notes. That's a big deal to me. The fact that it can record your podc- uh, podcast, for sure, but also you could record a set, and it'll transcribe the set, and then put the s- and then summarize into like different parts. Like this is where you're talking about sucking your own dick.

Brian Redban 3:03 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:03 Like this ... (laughs)

Brian Redban 3:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:04 This is where you talk about UFOs.

Jamie Vernon 3:06 I asked Redman. He didn't see this. Did you see this, Joe, going around on Twitter?

Brian Redban 3:09 What?

Jamie Vernon 3:10 There's this feature called Recall on Windows.

Brian Redban 3:12 Your Win- what?

Jamie Vernon 3:13 Here, let me play this for you. It's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:14 It's pretty crazy.

Narrator 3:15 We introduce memory, right, photographic memory into what you do o- on the PC, and now we have it, so it's called Recall. It's not keyword search, right? It's semantic search over all your history. And it's not just about any docu- and we can recreate moments from the past, essentially.

3:32 Here's how it works. Windows constantly takes screenshots of what's on your screen then uses a generative AI model right on the device along with the NPU to process all that data and make it searchable, even photos. I got to try it out. I searched "brown leather bag." It came up in visual search. There's no place on this page that it says, "brown leather bag." It just knows because it sees this brown leather bag. There could be this reaction from some people that this is pretty creepy. Microsoft is taking screenshots of everything I do.

4:07 Yeah, I mean, that's why that it can only do it on the edge, right? See, this is like ... You know, you can't ... You have to put two things together. This is my computer. This is my recall. Uh, and it's all being done locally.

Brian Redban 4:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Yeah. (laughs)

Brian Redban 4:22 (laughs) Texas is going to ban my Recall. Like they're not gonna let me-

Joe Rogan 4:25 (laughs)

Brian Redban 4:25 ... like it's go- it's gonna be porn. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:26 I don't trust you at all.

Brian Redban 4:28 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:29 I don't trust you at all. "It's all done locally." Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure there's no way the government is gonna have access to every keystroke you make and be able to see a- what ... That's ridiculous.

Brian Redban 4:41 And it's gonna summarize everything you're doing.

Joe Rogan 4:43 Well, not only that, it's not that difficult, especially for government organizations, to get into your fucking computer. Are you connected to a secure wifi? Are you even using a VPN? Are you ... Uh, like what are you doing? What kind of a firewall do you have? How many people are sophisticated enough to set it up so that you can't look at everything they do?

Brian Redban 5:02 It's like your friend's, uh, phone yest- or yesterday or two days ago.

Joe Rogan 5:06 They're remmy ... Yeah. Yesterday ... (laughs)

Brian Redban 5:06 Had a straight up virus that he was downloading.

Joe Rogan 5:08 People are saying it's not. People are saying it's just like if you have your case on improperly, it's pressing two buttons at the same time or if it were ... Was his phone on the table, Jamie, or is it in his bag?

Jamie Vernon 5:19 I do not remember.

Joe Rogan 5:21 I don't remember either. I think if you're pre- I think on some of these Win- uh, Android phones, if you're pressing two buttons at the same time, it reboots. Right? So there's a bootloader mode that's why you can, like, do different things to your phones.

Brian Redban 5:35 But that bootloader screen does not look like ... (laughs) It looks so cheap to ... Like it had ... Like I ... It was like the arrow that was in it, I was like, "I've seen this arrow." That's clip art. Like I think it even said Getty Images on the side of it or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:48 (laughs)

Narrator 5:49 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 5:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:49 And then just a barcode.

Brian Redban 5:50 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:50 Like why does it have a barcode? What are you buying?

Brian Redban 5:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:53 This is not for sale.

Brian Redban 5:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Why does it have a barcode?

Brian Redban 5:55 Right, and how are you gonna scan that barcode with the phone that you're holding? Like what ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:59 Duh. Like, "Oh, it's got a barcode. It must be legit."

Brian Redban 6:01 Right. Yeah, that seems so s- so fake though.

Joe Rogan 6:04 That was what it looked like.

Brian Redban 6:04 Like look at that.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Uh, look at all that Chinese writing too. That's ... Get the fuck out of here. I guess that's Korean 'cause it's Samsung. Uh, "Do not disconnect USB cable during software update." So it's saying downloading and it says it in Korean.So, it's doing something.

Brian Redban 6:20 That, see, that just looks, that does not look official. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:23 The thing is, my point was, it took a while. And like, what if he broke his leg?

Brian Redban 6:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Like, what if he just fell on his bike and broke his leg, and now all of a sudden he's gotta call for an ambulance, and he's laying there with his fucking shin bone poking out of his calf, and he's gotta sit there while his stupid phone does that?

Brian Redban 6:42 That's why it can't be real.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Can you reboot that? Can you stop that? Is that possible?

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:47 That's what I had circled. It said that you could cancel it, but-

Joe Rogan 6:49 You can cancel it.

Brian Redban 6:49 Well, that's why when, when I, you posted that video, I texted you, "Tell them to hold down the power button and the up arrow." Like-

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:55 (laughs)

Brian Redban 6:55 ... like, "Reboot your phone. Stop doing whatever it's doing." (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:58 It was too late by the time (laughs) you sent me that.

Brian Redban 7:00 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:01 I, I always worry about that with Windows, 'cause Windows will, uh, start updating my laptop in the middle of nowhere.

Brian Redban 7:07 Yeah, I, that's the worst, dude.

Joe Rogan 7:08 It's like, I'll open the laptop, too, super inspired, ready to write, and it's like, "Oh, we have to upload your software. This will take 20 minutes." Like, what?

Brian Redban 7:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:18 This is stupid. Give me the option to not do this. Like, Mac at least would give me the option. It'll say it up in the corner, "Do you wanna ... you know, there's a new update available. Do you wanna update it?"

Brian Redban 7:27 Right. And then it downloads it, and then goes, "Do you wanna do this right now?"

Joe Rogan 7:31 Yeah.

Brian Redban 7:31 "You know, we downloaded it, we can do it later." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:33 With, with Windows, is that normal? Or may- I think it was like an old-

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:36 You gotta set it to turn off or on, I think.

Brian Redban 7:38 Really?

Joe Rogan 7:38 What's that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:38 This is a setting, to turn off, like, auto-updates or whatever.

Brian Redban 7:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Oh, there's a setting on Windows as well?

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Oh, okay. I must've had it on, just so, so I don't have to deal with it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:46 Unless it's a w- it's m- office thing or something you're dealing with that's not, like-

Joe Rogan 7:50 Y- yeah, but there-

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:51 ... Windows updates.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Oh. Office, uh, gives you a tiny notification at the top of a, of a f- a file that'll say a new update's available, but you can click outta that easy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:00 You can just wait.

Brian Redban 8:01 Yeah, but the problem is-

Joe Rogan 8:01 Yeah.

Brian Redban 8:01 ... is like I have automatic updates on Mac, and it'll download it and go, "Hey, we got this update for you." It won't just like, in the middle of doing something, just start like boot, reboot my-

Joe Rogan 8:10 Right.

Brian Redban 8:10 ... you know, laptop. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yeah. Mine just rebooted it, like the moment I opened it up. But I hadn't used that laptop in a while. It was just sitting there. You know what I wanna try? I wanna try a laptop with ... you know I'm a big ke- keyboard fan. Like, one of the reasons why I write, if I write, I have a home, like, Mac that I write on, that is, yeah, those are nice. The mechanicals-

Brian Redban 8:31 Newer keyboards.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Yeah.

Brian Redban 8:32 It's the MacBook Pro ones.

Joe Rogan 8:33 They're, they're dope. It, it really is like a MacBook.

Brian Redban 8:35 Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 8:36 So what we're looking at right now is red bands.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:38 This is so skinny, that is.

Joe Rogan 8:38 I know. J- Jamie has one.

Brian Redban 8:40 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:40 This is the new iPad, which is insane. This is so, it's so insane, it's like it is as thin as possible where you could still s- use a USB-C connector.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:51 Yeah.

Brian Redban 8:51 And I thought this was skinny, and that's twice, it's-

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:54 I know. It's so much, your phone, which is super skinny, is so much fatter than this iPad.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:59 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:59 This iPad is amazing. And it has insane battery life too, which is great.

Brian Redban 9:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:04 And this probably has like two terabytes, right?

Brian Redban 9:05 10 hours, this is, uh, one terabyte, but you can get up to two terabytes.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Fucking nuts.

Brian Redban 9:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Nuts. Um, but what I really like is the keyboards on ThinkPads, 'cause ThinkPads have a longer stroke, and when you're writing, (clears throat) with keys, like, you, you have more feedback with the longer keystrokes, and then you're more accurate with your typing. And it's been proven, like, when people will do like how many words per minute can you write, they can write more words per minute on, on keyboards with better, uh, b- better feedback, like longer keystrokes. But Alienware, you know, because a lot of gamers like mechanical keyboards 'cause they have the clicky-clack feel that it's like even more accurate.

Brian Redban 9:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Well, they have a k- a k- a mechanical keyboard now on their laptops, and so I've been thinking about getting one of those, but the mechanical key-

Brian Redban 9:55 How thick is that laptop though?

Joe Rogan 9:57 It's not that thick. So it has long key travel. I think the key travel is 1.8 millimeters, which is like ideal. W- my old ThinkPad had like 2.2, which was nice, long keystrokes. And you just get real accurate with, like, your writing. So for me, like, a lot of times I'm writing, I'm stoned. I don't have time to like go back and put fucking ... you know, I wanna just get it, my thought out while it's in my head. And with an IBM, well, you know, Lenovo now, a Le- Lenovo ThinkPad, I'm just much more accurate when I'm writing.

Brian Redban 10:30 I like, I like it, but it sounds ... I don't know, after a while it's like, "God, this is so-"

Joe Rogan 10:34 The Mac ones are terrible.

Brian Redban 10:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:36 The ones on MacBooks, I have a MacBook, it's fucking terrible to write on. There's, it's sh- really short keystrokes. It's a really like flat key. It's just not good to write on. You can do it. It's, it's definitely better than like writing by hand. Right? You can ... I type on it all the time. I do write on it all the time. But it's just when you go over to that ThinkPad, you're like, "Oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like." Where at home I have like, uh, an ergonomic keyboard that I use on my Mac, and that is like the best. It's like real easy. I'm, I'm, I'm really accurate. I don't even have to think. I can just write and look at the screen and then just get it right all the time.

Brian Redban 11:14 Why don't you use voice, though? It's so accurate now.

Joe Rogan 11:17 I don't wanna be talking-

Brian Redban 11:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:19 ... in my house.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:20 (laughs)

Brian Redban 11:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:21 (laughs) But some of the things I write-

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:23 ... and some of the things I write, I like writing because the thing about writing is, like say if I'm writing, um, you know, fucking artificial intelligence. As I'm writing artificial intelligence, it takes longer to write it than it does to think the word. So y- you're spending more time on each, instead of just barfing out words like I do when I talk, or sometimes I don't even know what the fuck I'm saying while I'm saying it, when I'm writing and typing, it takes a little longer so it makes me think a little more and have more possibilities open up about where to go with things. So it actually benefits me to slow me down a little. But I still want it to be accurate. I don't want it to be so slow that I'm fucking with every key. I don't want that. I want accuracy, but a little slower than talking for writing.

Brian Redban 12:16 Yeah. Th- my problem is, is like, oh, just start writing like a, like an idea or a joke or whatever, and then halfway through I'll look up and I'm like, I'm-... like, I fucked up some word or I-I-I had autocorrected something and it makes everything not make sense.

Joe Rogan 12:28 (laughs)

Brian Redban 12:29 And I've had it like, "Fuck, like, I wrote this all down-"

Narrator 12:32 Yeah.

Brian Redban 12:32 "... and now I don't r- understand-"

Narrator 12:33 Right.

Brian Redban 12:33 "... any of it." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:35 (laughs)

Brian Redban 12:35 Like, just one word, uh, spellchecked, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:37 Yeah, that's true. Well, um, m- notes are the best for that.

Brian Redban 12:40 Yeah. Yeah, audio notes.

Joe Rogan 12:41 For vo... And the thing about the phone is you can do it, like, while you're in the car. You can b- press, like, if you have Apple CarPlay, you press it on the screen-

Brian Redban 12:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:50 ... and say, "Make a voice note." And then you could just make a note, or just make a note rather, and it'll make a note for you and leave it in there. It's great. So there's many times that I've like, at the end of the night, I've done that, and then I go back over it. So what I do is I have, like, um, a whole folder that's just ideas. So I got this folder.

Brian Redban 13:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:10 These are just ideas.

Brian Redban 13:11 Yeah, I'd have the same.

Joe Rogan 13:12 And some of them, a lot of them have become bits, and some of them I'm just like, "Maybe one day I'll have something." And so when I write... Yeah, so when I write, I go back... Same thing, you know?

Brian Redban 13:22 (laughs)

Narrator 13:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 I go back and I look at those, and I'll see if something comes into my head. I'll say... Like, 'cause you know when you start writing, you're like just staring at that blank screen, like, "What am I writing about?" And then I'll just go into the phone and I'll say, "What do you got for me? What have, what have, what have I been, been thinking about?" Open bor... Oh, borders. Open borders. Okay. Yeah. Okay. What does, what does, what does... What, what would it be like if there was no borders? How... Would that suck? What would it be like if there was more borders? Would that suck? And then I'll just start writing, you know.

Brian Redban 13:50 Wouldn't it be cool to take all our notes, put it in an AI, and like combine this into all a one story?

Narrator 13:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:56 (laughs)

Brian Redban 13:56 Like, like, like a, a 20-page story. (laughs)

Narrator 13:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:59 Right, that would be like the perfect new one-hour set.

Brian Redban 14:01 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:02 The thing about AI though is like you, you're gonna m- I've never used AI, like GPT, to write a joke, but I know people who are doing that now. And my thought is, I wouldn't feel as good about it when it was done. Like, I don't want it just to be good. I want it to be good and I want it to have come from my head. You know what I'm saying?

Brian Redban 14:23 It's not th-... That's the one thing, it's not there yet. It can't write a good joke. Like, all this, like, shit where you s-

Joe Rogan 14:29 Right.

Brian Redban 14:29 Like Louis C. K... Or not Louis C. K., but, uh, George Carlin and stuff.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Uh-huh.

Brian Redban 14:33 That's, that's, that's somebody writing that and just doing a G-George Carlin voice.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Voice.

Brian Redban 14:37 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Right, right.

Brian Redban 14:38 So... Because-

Joe Rogan 14:39 It's not good at writing the jokes yet.

Brian Redban 14:40 I like... 'Cause I like to... What... I, I, I've experimented, like, trying to find, like, a tag for, like, a joke already.

Joe Rogan 14:45 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 14:45 Like, oh, you know, this is the scenario, and it's still, like, dad jokes and Laffy Taffy bullshit. Like, "Oh, a cow walks into a bar."

Joe Rogan 14:53 What I think it, it would be though, so like, you know how, like, a lot of really good comics hire writers?

Brian Redban 14:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:58 And generally, the writers aren't even as good a comic-

Brian Redban 15:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:01 ... as them. But, like, what, the way Chris Rock does it, Chris, um, I n- I haven't talked to him personally. I've, I've heard him talk about it and I've talked to people who work with him. So one of the things he gets accused of unfairly, people say that he has writers who write for him. Chris Rock writes his own material. What he has is the writers, he bounces the ide- ideas off them, so they come and watch him do the set, and then they say, "Maybe when you do this, say that first," or, "Maybe expand on this," or, "I got a tag for that." And so... But those guys who are doing that aren't as good a comic as him, so sometimes you just need other ideas, right?

Brian Redban 15:41 Yeah, it's like the green room. That's why, you know, green room-

Joe Rogan 15:43 Right.

Brian Redban 15:44 That's what you... "Man, that joke, you should've had this," or, you know...

Joe Rogan 15:47 Mm-hmm. That happens so... The green room is amazing for that.

Brian Redban 15:50 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 There's so many times in the green room that we're all trying to work out a bit, and then, like, Tony will chime in or Brian will chime in. They're like, "Oh, that's it." And then you figure it out. I mean, we rewrote David Lucas' entire fucking act-

Brian Redban 16:03 (laughs)

Narrator 16:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:03 ... in that green room. (laughs)

Brian Redban 16:04 (laughs)

Narrator 16:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:05 But it's... That's one thing. So, like, if, if ChatGBT just gave you, like, ideas.

Brian Redban 16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Just, I just need, like, a framework sometimes. I, I feel like each subject is just a scaffolding, so I get the scaffolding. Now once I have the scaffolding, I have to build a house. And so... But I have to have a fucking location where I can start building. So it ha-... The location is the subject, whatever the idea is, and then I start building. That's how I do it.

Brian Redban 16:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:36 But I mean, everybody does it different, man. I mean, everybody does it d-... Some people have to write it down on paper. Like, some people, all their stuff, like Colin Quinn's shit's all on paper. A lot of people, they, it's just, they write it down. Like, Christina P, she has this notebook she brings with her, and you look at the note, it's filled with ideas. It's just all wr... She goes, "I have to write it down on paper."

Brian Redban 16:59 Marc Normand, like his back pocket-

Joe Rogan 17:01 Oh.

Brian Redban 17:01 ... is like a turtle, you know, of how many-

Narrator 17:02 Insane.

Brian Redban 17:03 (laughs)

Narrator 17:03 He's the most insane. He's the most insane.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Yeah.

Narrator 17:06 'Cause he has a phone.

Brian Redban 17:06 He's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 17:07 He has a phone. He knows his notes-

Narrator 17:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:08 ... in the phone. You don't have to have that. You have both things when you can only have one thing. Like, this is-

Brian Redban 17:12 (laughs)

Narrator 17:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:12 ... so unnecessary.

Brian Redban 17:13 He's so silly. And he's just sitting on it like a second wallet, just breaking his back every night. (laughs)

Narrator 17:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:18 Totally gonna fuck his back up.

Narrator 17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Like one of them cab drivers that has a bum back because, like, you have a fucking wallet that's f- two feet thick on one side of your ass.

Brian Redban 17:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:26 If he just took those notes and transcribed them into the notes on his phone, then he would have it con... At least he's always worried about losing them.

Narrator 17:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:34 But this way, you would never lose them-

Narrator 17:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:36 ... 'cause they'd be in the cloud.

Brian Redban 17:38 Oh.

Narrator 17:38 Just take a picture. It's over.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Yeah.

Narrator 17:39 You could do a visual transcription.

Brian Redban 17:41 All his notes. Right?

Narrator 17:41 He's done. Over. Exactly. Right? It's over. 10 seconds.

Joe Rogan 17:43 And with, uh, a lot of these things, like, that's the other thing about Samsung, you can write with a stylus on the screen and then it would convert that into print.

Brian Redban 17:52 You could do that on the iPad too.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Really?

Brian Redban 17:54 Yeah, it's great.

Joe Rogan 17:55 With the, with the pen?

Brian Redban 17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 The iPad with the pen?

Brian Redban 17:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:57 Why don't they make that for the iPhone, you fucks?

Brian Redban 18:00 The m- the pen?

Joe Rogan 18:00 They can't admit that Samsung was right.

Brian Redban 18:03 Yeah, I think they have apps or there's a way to do it-

Joe Rogan 18:06 Really?

Brian Redban 18:06 ... in the note app maybe on the phone, like, you, where you just use your finger, you know, and just do...

Joe Rogan 18:12 Yeah, but I want the pen.

Brian Redban 18:13 Yeah. I... It is silly. Or, or it's also silly, like the new pen that just came out, you can't use it on last year's model, and like...

Joe Rogan 18:19 Oh, that's dirty.

Brian Redban 18:20 It's d-... It's like they do all this dirty shit, dude.

Joe Rogan 18:22 The Apple gets dirty. They get so dirty.

Brian Redban 18:23 It's just so bad.

Joe Rogan 18:24 They're so dirty with their USB-C cables.

Brian Redban 18:26 Oh, yeah. I'm, I'm glad now that it's just every, you know...

Joe Rogan 18:30 Yeah, it's nice.

Brian Redban 18:30 It's so nice.

Joe Rogan 18:30 But meanwhile, I have AirPods and they all c- charge with regular Lightning.

Brian Redban 18:36 Well, the y- y- you got... The new version has y- y- they have a new version of it.

Joe Rogan 18:39 Oh, I gotta get a new version now? (laughs)

Brian Redban 18:41 (laughs) Yeah. You can buy just in case.

Joe Rogan 18:42 That's the thing, they just never let you go. And their shit is just good enough so that you keep going down that path.

Brian Redban 18:48 Yeah.Apple Vision Pro is very, uh, depressing, (laughs) by the way.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Is it?

Brian Redban 18:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:54 You done?

Brian Redban 18:55 Uh, I just ... I think, like a lot of people-

Joe Rogan 18:56 You are so in.

Brian Redban 18:57 I'm so in, and it's still-

Joe Rogan 18:59 (laughs)

Brian Redban 18:59 It's still amazing, but then there's just nothing you can do. Like watching 3D movies is the best experience you'll ever have, ever, even better than a movie theater.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Really?

Brian Redban 19:07 Sitting there watching Avatar, like it's a big IMAX in your- in your bedroom.

Joe Rogan 19:11 It doesn't bother you that the thing's over your face?

Brian Redban 19:13 No. I- I- I- of course, I'm, you know, I use it more, but it- it's so comfortable. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:17 How much EMF radiation are you getting?

Brian Redban 19:19 Oh, uh, uh, that's why my eyes are so bad, like, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:21 (laughs)

Brian Redban 19:21 Like, my eyes are getting worse every day, like, it's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:25 You're cooking your brain, son.

Brian Redban 19:27 And it fucks your- your dreams up, and it fu-

Joe Rogan 19:29 Yeah?

Brian Redban 19:29 It kinda fucks your brain up a little, because I think your brain starts thinking that's real, so when you're like dreaming and shit. I don't know. Like, there was ... Was it you that, uh ... There was this fighter pilot, and he's just like, he- he's like w- one of the top fighter pilots, uh, for the Air Force or something like that. And, uh, I asked him if he's ever done, like, any of the VR flight simulations. He's like, "I can't. It will throw off my inner timing," and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 19:52 Oh.

Brian Redban 19:52 Because it will fuck with his inner timing. And I'm like, "I've never thought about that."

Joe Rogan 19:56 Just timing for a real jet.

Brian Redban 19:57 Yeah. And it's like, "Whoa. I d- ... Uh, what does it do to normal people?"

Joe Rogan 20:01 Dude, those guys are all on the way out. They're all on the way out. When Mike Baker was in here, he was showing us how they have AI fighter jets now.

Brian Redban 20:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:09 That out f- dog fight Amer- like, actual piloted fire- fighter jets 100% of the time.

Brian Redban 20:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:15 They always win.

Brian Redban 20:16 It's like Sky Teslas. It's ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 It's over. It's over. It's over. They're gonna-

Brian Redban 20:21 Yeah, it's so smart.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Yeah. You got no chance. They're just too smart. They're too smart, and no matter how clever you think you are, you think you're Maverick. Maverick's dead. (laughs)

Brian Redban 20:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:31 Okay?

Brian Redban 20:32 He- he detonated.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Fucking Zero just killed Maverick, and Zero kills everybody, 'cause Zero isn't a human, and Zero doesn't get nervous, and Zero doesn't make mistakes, th- and Zero has all the data of every single dog fight and every single dog fight training mission that's ever been done, ever, in its database, with the exact, correct timing on when to launch missiles and where to be and where to a- avoid, and you're fucked. We're fucked.

Brian Redban 21:00 We're all fucked, 'cause then everybody's gonna have the same thing, and it's just gonna be nonstop war. (laughs) fighting war.

Joe Rogan 21:04 We might be the only people that aren't fucked.

Brian Redban 21:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:06 'Cause we talk shit. Professional shit talkers are always gonna be necessary.

Brian Redban 21:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:12 Like, to make sense, uh, and to give you some entertainment through all this. I require them. I ... Look, if I wasn't a comic and I wasn't around guys like you and Tony and all the people that we're around with all the time, I don't know what I'd do. If I had to talk to normies all day about how fucked things are and not laugh and not have fun, I'd be depressed.

Brian Redban 21:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Like, we're always laughing and talking shit and having fun, even though things are crazy. Like, we're- we are, what, four years away from artificial people telling us what to do? And everybody's, like, ushering it i- in our own demise, buying things constantly. We're gonna have artificial life forms that are far superior to humans in, like, four years. And everybody's like, "Whatever. What do you think about Drake and Kendrick? I'm on Team Kendrick." (laughs)

Brian Redban 21:58 Of course. Everyone is.

Joe Rogan 22:00 Everyone seems to be on Team Kendrick.

Brian Redban 22:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Drake slings too much dick.

Brian Redban 22:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:03 People are a little upset about him. He's a little too handsome.

Brian Redban 22:06 Yeah, but all the- all the podcasts that every single comedian's ever done is gonna be fed into AI, and they're gonna be the shit talkers, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:12 I honestly don't know anything about the Drake and Kendrick beef. Uh, every time people talk to me about them, my eyes glaze over. I just can't pay attention. I just d- I can't ... I can't pay attention to grown men beefing with each other publicly. It's just ...

Brian Redban 22:25 It's- it's just, like, sexual tension between those two. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:29 (laughs) That's all it is.

Brian Redban 22:30 That's all it is.

Joe Rogan 22:30 I ... My feeling is always like, "Damn, you guys busted out eight songs that are bangers, shitting on each other. You could've been just writing amazing rap songs, like, elevating human beings, elevating life, you know?" And once you write one diss song about somebody, it can ... It's not enough.

Brian Redban 22:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:51 And then it d- you g- where they keep have to go back and forth and back and forth, like, come on. Come on. I don't even like listening to old school ones. You know? You know, like, like, you know, "That's why I fucked your bitch." (laughs)

Brian Redban 23:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:03 You know, like, you go back and listen to Tupac and Biggie. Like, I love Tupac and I love Biggie. Like, how come I have to choose? How come? How come, uh- how come there's a fight? What's going on?

Jamie Vernon 23:13 Those songs become so popular. Exactly that.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Yeah, not as much as California Love. There's- there's songs that you hear-

Jamie Vernon 23:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:19 ... and they make you excited. They make you excited. Th- you know? Like, there's- there's- there's, like, California Love. Like, I remember when Urijah Faber was fighting in the UFC, the California kid. He would always come out to California Love, and the moment you hear it, you're like, "Whoo." That's one of those songs, man. You don't get that with a diss track.

Jamie Vernon 23:37 Yeah, you do. That's- that came because-

Brian Redban 23:39 You do.

Jamie Vernon 23:39 ... of the East Coast/West Coast beef.

Joe Rogan 23:40 This guy.

Jamie Vernon 23:41 That's how it came. It wouldn't have been-

Joe Rogan 23:42 That's where California Love came from?

Jamie Vernon 23:43 It probably would never have even taken the time to write it if they weren't talking shit back then.

Brian Redban 23:48 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 23:48 They may have.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Maybe. M- Tupac wrote a lot. Tupac wrote so much that he ... They were releasing albums long after he was dead. Remember? He did. So, he was just a machine. Like, that dude was just a creative machine. He would just lock himself in the studio and just make songs.

Brian Redban 24:10 Remember the Eazy-E and Ice Cube beef? That was my favorite, where-

Joe Rogan 24:13 That was a good one.

Brian Redban 24:13 ... they're, like, talking about fucking him in the ass with-

Joe Rogan 24:15 Yeah.

Brian Redban 24:15 ... no Vaseline and shit-

Jamie Vernon 24:16 (laughs)

Brian Redban 24:16 ... like that. They- they had whole albums back then. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:19 Listen, you don't wanna get into diss war with Ice Cube. He's too clever.

Brian Redban 24:22 He's awesome.

Joe Rogan 24:23 He's too clever. He's too clever with his writing. You know, Ice Cube wrote most of the songs for NWA.

Brian Redban 24:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Ice Cube's a very good writer, you know? Like this, like, a lot of times in rap bands, there's, like, the one dude who writes everything. You know, like in, uh, Geto Boys, it was Willie D.Like, uh, I, we played, uh, Fuck a War, which is like one of my all time favorite rap songs. Bushwick Bill. And, uh, Willie D texts me, he goes, "I wrote that in 45 minutes." (laughs)

Brian Redban 24:50 (laughs)

Narrator 24:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:51 The, you know, there's some dudes that are just really good at writing, you know. They're just really good at writing bangers, you know. And that's with comedy too. Like, Tony's that guy. Like, Tony is really good at writing jokes. Like, his ability to, like, especially joke shitting on people. (laughs)

Brian Redban 25:10 Yeah, his brain's constantly working. When you talk to him-

Joe Rogan 25:12 Yeah.

Brian Redban 25:12 ... he's not even ... He's looking past you, thinking how, what joke he's gonna say after.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 25:16 And ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:17 He's a machine.

Brian Redban 25:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:18 That's why he's... I mean your show ... Fuck, first of all, congratu-fucking-lations, dude.

Brian Redban 25:22 Thanks, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:23 I mean, you guys are fucking killing it.

Brian Redban 25:27 It's insane, dude.

Joe Rogan 25:28 You guys are killing it. You guys sold out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row. You guys sold out a giant ass theater in LA and you wanna do another show, so we'll just do the Staple Center.

Brian Redban 25:38 (laughs)

Narrator 25:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:38 Like, what? You sell, you sell that out like that. It's bananas. You guys are printing money.

Brian Redban 25:45 It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 25:46 And it's the best fucking comedy show in the world. It's the best show. Because, like you guys ... First of all, you guys have been doing it now for 11 years almost. Right? When it'll be 11? December?

Brian Redban 25:56 Uh, June, I think.

Joe Rogan 25:57 June?

Brian Redban 25:57 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:58 So it's almost 11 years. So you've been doing it all these t- you gotta... It's polished. You guys are synced up. Everybody knows their position. The band is great. The audience is super aware of how this show works. They're not confused, like, "What's going on? How come he is a minute and what's a ..." Everybody knows how it works and it's just polished. And then you got Tony who's just locked in. The fucking lines he has. So many people do not believe that he comes up with those on the spot. They're like, "Oh, that's all planned out." Like, no, none of it's planned out. That's the magic of it.

Brian Redban 26:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 Like especially when him and David go at it. When him and... When David Lucas and Tony Hinchcliffe shit on each other, it's as hard as I ever laughed. There's like compilations of them shitting on each other on YouTube, and in a bunch of 'em it's me, like, red faced-

Brian Redban 26:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:48 ... can't breathe.

Brian Redban 26:49 (screams)

Joe Rogan 26:49 Holding my, holding my sides just like, "Jesus Christ." They ... It's so funny. It's so good. And I-

Brian Redban 26:57 Like, David gets to just call him gay for like, like 15 minutes straight. It's so funny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:02 The show went against every single direction that the industry was tryna, trying to tell us the audience was going. The, your show went against all of the woke shit, against all of the, "Don't say this, and don't say that, and this is a forbidden word." Now all of it's out the window and it's the best show. And then the audience is obviously responding. There's not a fucking podcast on Earth that could sell out arenas like you guys are doing. Not one. You guys are selling out Madison Square Garden in an hour. It's nuts. I mean, it's, that's, that's like a cultural phenomena, that's a real audience, where like finally the audience reacts to like, "This is what we want. This is what we've always wanted. We don't think comedy is real life. We're not fucking stupid."

Brian Redban 27:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:51 "Go crazy. Go crazy, say wild shit." And it's g- it's the best for comedy, man.

Brian Redban 27:57 It's the Johnny Carson for comics.

Joe Rogan 27:59 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 28:00 And you don't ... Like, it, it, it's also random. And he ... (laughs) You know, you could be doing comedy 10 years or you could be doing comedy your first time and somehow get on Johnny Carson. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:08 You can be doing comedy your first time and get on Johnny Carson-

Brian Redban 28:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:11 ... at the Staple Center.

Brian Redban 28:13 (laughs) Yeah. Which is the, one of the worst things ever when that happens, by the way. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:16 It's ... Well, if you can get through that, though.

Brian Redban 28:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:19 I mean, good Lord. If you can get through that, what a career you'll have.

Brian Redban 28:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:22 You'll be able to tell people, "The first time-"

Brian Redban 28:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:24 "... he was ever on stage was in front of 20,000 people." And now here he is headlining the Comedy Works in Denver.

Brian Redban 28:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:32 I mean, that's an amazing thing.

Brian Redban 28:34 That's what Janice did her third time on stage, (laughs) in fro- at, at, uh, the arena here on New Year's Eve. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:40 That's nuts. That is so nuts.

Narrator 28:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:42 Third time on stage.

Brian Redban 28:43 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:43 That is bananas. That kind of pressure's bananas.

Brian Redban 28:47 And th-

Joe Rogan 28:47 Aah!

Brian Redban 28:48 And then after that I ask her to marry me. (laughs) Like, she's already like, "Oh, what the fuck?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:53 Oh, that's cute. That's adorable. That's adorable.

Brian Redban 28:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:57 Yeah, you guys are killing it, man. It's, it's awesome to see.

Brian Redban 29:00 It's, it's ... Y- somebody sent me a clip of an old JRE. Uh, it was like the week we s- uh, started that, uh, Kill Tony. And you're like, "What's this new show you're doing?" Or something like that. And I go, "Oh, it's me and this guy named Tony Hinchcliffe. You know Tony, right?" "Uh, I think so. I don't ... " (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:14 Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Brian Redban 29:18 Yeah. I mean, we've been working so hard at it. And we always thought, you know, it's gonna become big or ... But not, not this big. Not having like Post Malone and RFK on the same show.

Narrator 29:30 (laughs)

Brian Redban 29:30 Sh- ... Like what the hell is going on here? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:32 You remember the time I just, I tricked Post Malone? He had no idea he was going on stage.

Brian Redban 29:35 Oh, you, you've done that a few times.

Joe Rogan 29:37 We just brought him out there.

Brian Redban 29:37 You did it with, uh ...

Joe Rogan 29:38 I've done it now with Tucker Carlson. (laughs)

Brian Redban 29:39 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 And it just, well be known, if you're a famous person and we're hanging out, it is Monday. (laughs)

Brian Redban 29:46 (laughs) Oh, let's go through this curtain real quick. What the hell?

Joe Rogan 29:48 (laughs) I might, I might drag you out onto the internet.

Brian Redban 29:52 Uh-

Joe Rogan 29:52 But c- listen, Tucker Carlson handled it like a champ. He was great.

Brian Redban 29:55 Tucker's hilarious, man. He is.

Joe Rogan 29:57 He, he was so smooth and so relaxed and so genuinely happy and fun.

Brian Redban 30:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:03 Pe- people don't understand him or they don't know who he is or they just wanna demonize him as this evil right-wing person. He's a sweetheart of a guy. A- and I'm, I'm saying that as someone who's spent hours with him. He's a very nice guy. He's nice to everybody. He's just, he's nice. He's just, he's odd. He's odd. He's an odd guy.

Brian Redban 30:19 (laughs) Funny laugh.

Joe Rogan 30:20 And he was also working in the belly of the beast for like, how many years? He was on CNN and then he goes to, CNN F- to Fox. And now he's a wild boy. Like, now he's online. He's just wild. I- you know, having, interviewing that guy who says he sucked Obama's dick, like that-

Brian Redban 30:38 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:38 What are you doing? (laughs)

Brian Redban 30:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:40 I forgot to ask him about that.

Brian Redban 30:42 Remember when William just ... Or was it William or Cam just brought that up?

Joe Rogan 30:45 Yeah, William brought up, "Did that guy really suck Obama's dick?" (laughs)

Brian Redban 30:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:51 What a nightmare. What a nightmare.

Brian Redban 30:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:54 Tucker.

Brian Redban 30:56 Uh...

Joe Rogan 30:59 Uh, this... Uh... (laughs)

Brian Redban 30:59 William's so fucking funny, and his brother now works at the mothership, and it's like the coolest thing ever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:03 Yeah, it's amazing. He, William is so funny and he's so confident now. And look, I mean when we first met that guy, he was awkward but kind of funny, but he had to have those goddamn notes.

Brian Redban 31:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:14 And how many times did we have conversations with him in the green room?

Brian Redban 31:17 Oh, like millions.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Millions. Like, "Dude, you gotta ditch those notes." Because when he would do Kill Tony, when he would engage with the audience, I go, "When you stare at the audience and start talking to them," I go, it makes me nervous, like as a f- a friend of yours-

Brian Redban 31:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:29 ... you're so wild. But like, I'm in the audience, like, "This guy's crazy." That's better than staring at your notes, man.

Brian Redban 31:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Engage them, look at them. You can remember your jokes. And he just had to, like, be convinced that he can re- Now he's doing an hour on stage with no notes, no... And killing, headlining, selling out everywhere. Dude, the Black Keys specifically wanted to see him when he was in town.

Brian Redban 31:53 Of course.

Joe Rogan 31:53 So I had William come up and do the show. I called him, I go like, "Dude, (laughs) the Black Keys wanna beat you."

Brian Redban 31:56 Those guys are, by the way, are the coolest guys I've ever met. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:58 The best.

Brian Redban 31:59 Fucking-

Joe Rogan 31:59 They're the best.

Brian Redban 31:59 ... damn amazing.

Joe Rogan 32:00 They're the best. They're the-

Brian Redban 32:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:01 And so is everyone around them.

Brian Redban 32:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:03 We went to see them at their show at Stubbs and hung out with them and-

Brian Redban 32:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:07 Everyone, right? So cool.

Brian Redban 32:09 Yeah. And they were just, "There's William," like they were so-

Joe Rogan 32:11 Yeah. (laughs) "William."

Brian Redban 32:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:13 They're just giant William fans.

Brian Redban 32:16 Uh-

Joe Rogan 32:16 They were so pumped to hang out with him.

Brian Redban 32:17 It's funny hearing that, like hearing people, you know, that story Tony told you last night about that guy, that's a huge KC Rocket fan. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:24 Amazing. Yeah, amazing.

Brian Redban 32:26 CEO of a big company, you know.

Joe Rogan 32:27 Yeah. CEO of a huge company-

Brian Redban 32:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:29 ... and he's doing a KC Rocket impression.

Brian Redban 32:31 Doing an impression of crab walk.

Joe Rogan 32:32 Like that is insane.

Narrator 32:34 Didn't Drake also say something like that?

Brian Redban 32:35 Uh, Drake watches every week, uh, I guess. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:37 (laughs)

Brian Redban 32:38 Oh, I mean, it's Team Drake.

Narrator 32:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:40 When you guys had Sugar Sean O'Malley, the US, UFC bantamweight champion revealing the winner of like one of the battles.

Brian Redban 32:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Like that's just incredible, man. You had Jelly Roll-

Brian Redban 32:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:50 ... singing in front of arenas for you guys. Like this is, the whole thing is so nuts, man. And I don't think, I don't think Post Malone even knew what he was getting into the first time he did it, right?

Brian Redban 33:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:00 He didn't know what it was.

Brian Redban 33:01 No.

Joe Rogan 33:02 I don't think he knew what to... I don't... Did he know?

Brian Redban 33:04 N- No, I don't think-

Joe Rogan 33:05 I think I had to explain to him, and then I said, "Let's go to the club." And then (laughs) and then, and then I just fucking opened the curtains, we all went out together.

Brian Redban 33:15 In LA when I was in LA for the Kill Tony's, uh, I hung out with Post, I think, like two nights, three nights in a row till like five in the morning just drinking.

Joe Rogan 33:22 (laughs)

Brian Redban 33:22 Like that dude doesn't get drunk, he just keeps on going. He's-

Joe Rogan 33:25 Well, he's a Bud Light guy.

Brian Redban 33:26 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 33:27 That's true.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Those Bud Light guys are dangerous.

Brian Redban 33:29 He's Bud Light guy.

Joe Rogan 33:29 Those are like Shane Gillis guys.

Brian Redban 33:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:30 Shane Gillis is another Bud Light guy. You could drink R-... Like Stanhope used to be a light beer guy. You could just drink light beer and just maintain a steady buzz.

Brian Redban 33:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:39 Whereas retards like you and me are drinking whiskey.

Brian Redban 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 We're-

Brian Redban 33:42 You could pee it out at the same w- uh, amount as you're drinking.

Joe Rogan 33:46 We're getting ham-

Brian Redban 33:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:47 We're going, "La, la, la." We're slurring our words-

Brian Redban 33:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:48 ... and they just keep going.

Brian Redban 33:49 It's true, man.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Yeah.

Brian Redban 33:50 I should go back to beer. I, I can't do it anymore.

Joe Rogan 33:52 You get fat.

Brian Redban 33:53 (laughs) Yeah. I mean, it's the, I mean, I get fat both ways, to- to, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:58 (laughs)

Narrator 33:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:58 Have you thought about doing the Ozempic?

Brian Redban 34:00 Uh, no. Isn't it, my doctor, my-

Joe Rogan 34:03 Yeah, well, he'll kill you.

Brian Redban 34:03 ... uh, testosterone doctor said, uh, "Don't do it." He had one of his patients do it, and she had seizures and had to go to the hospital or something like that, or...

Joe Rogan 34:10 Uh, that could, that could happen or you could be hot.

Brian Redban 34:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:13 I mean, come on, bro.

Brian Redban 34:14 Well-

Joe Rogan 34:14 Don't be a pussy.

Brian Redban 34:15 ... there, there, uh, you know the, I don't know if they're sponsoring this, but the HEMs, uh, uh, you know, the hair HEMs.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 34:21 Uh, they, you, you can get medications through them. They just announced that they're gonna have an Ozempic like clone where it's the same medicine inside Ozempic-

Joe Rogan 34:27 Hmm.

Brian Redban 34:27 ... but it's gonna be like, uh, one-tenth of the price.

Joe Rogan 34:31 What's this?

Brian Redban 34:31 Oh, the new South Park.

Joe Rogan 34:32 (laughs)

Brian Redban 34:33 Have you heard about this?

Joe Rogan 34:33 First look at Cartman using Ozempic in South Park.

Brian Redban 34:36 (laughs)

Narrator 34:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:37 So he's getting smaller, the end of obesity. Oh, no.

Brian Redban 34:40 Yeah, it comes out the 24th. Is that out now?

Narrator 34:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Is that today?

Brian Redban 34:43 Uh, two, two more days.

Narrator 34:45 No, I don't have it the 5th.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Ah. (laughs) Yeah, um, there's some people have real bad side effects apparently.

Brian Redban 34:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:52 But one of the things that, uh, uh, Peter Attia was saying was that, you know, he's a doctor. So he, he, he had, they had tried to see what the effects of these things on the people that wanted to take them. And so they said, "Well, we'll prescribe them to you, but we wanna do DEXA scans. We wanna make sure that we fu-... You know, we wanna really monitor what's going on in your whole body." So one of the things that they found out was that in normal conditions, like say if you lost weight, you know, like most of it would be fat, but a small percentage of it would be lean body mass, like muscle tissue. In Ozempic, most of the loss, like the, when they were, when they were looking at it, the people were losing much more body mass, much more lean tissue and bone mass than was making them comfortable. He's like, "This makes me very uncomfortable." He's like, "These people are getting s-... They're getting lighter and they're getting fatter. Like they're losing muscle tissue and bone."

Brian Redban 35:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Like...

Narrator 35:58 It's not good.

Joe Rogan 35:58 ... this is not good."

Brian Redban 35:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:59 But then there's other people that have said, "If your body's tolerating it, that what you should do is add strength training to mitigate the effects of that." But now you're asking people to be disciplined, like isn't the whole-

Brian Redban 36:11 Yeah, that's the whole point, right?

Joe Rogan 36:12 ... (laughs) isn't the whole point... I mean, how many people who are gonna take Ozempic are like disciplined weight trainers-

Brian Redban 36:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:18 ... where they're gonna really mitigate the effects of bone loss and muscle loss, and they're gonna stay strong while they lose fat, while you're paralyzing their stomach with a drug that I would just imagine probably has an effect on your energy levels? Just, just by virtue of the fact that your body is dealing with whatever it has to do to metabolize this new drug you're injecting into your body, right? So if you're injecting this drug into your body, is it, does it have a positive effect? Does it give you more energy or d-... Is it ki-... It's killing your appetite, right? That's part of what it does. It's kind of like...... the- what is the actual physical effect? It has some sort of a paralysis effect on your stomach on s- on people?

Brian Redban 37:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Like, what does it do? Let's find out what it- 'cause we're so stupid. We don't know exactly what it does.

Brian Redban 37:07 I- I- if-

Joe Rogan 37:07 I think it kills your appetite.

Brian Redban 37:08 If it kills your appetite, that wouldn't work on me 'cause I have no appetite anyway.

Joe Rogan 37:12 Okay.

Brian Redban 37:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:12 It says, "It w- works by mimicking a naturally occurring hormone. As those hormone levels rise, the molecules go to your brain, telling it you're full. It also slows digestion by increasing the time it takes for food to leave the body."

Brian Redban 37:26 Ah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 Slows digestion, I don't like that.

Brian Redban 37:28 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:29 So, that's probably ... It's similar to the effect of bariatric surgery. So, that's the, um, the thing where they're saying, like, it paralyzes your stomach. It slows it down.

Brian Redban 37:37 Yeah, that's- that's not right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:39 And I think Brian Simpson had a really bad reaction to it, where he was in bed for a while.

Brian Redban 37:44 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Yeah, he got wrecked.

Brian Redban 37:45 Is he still on it?

Joe Rogan 37:46 No, he got off it immediately. Brian had a great weight loss, though, when he switched to the carnivore diet, when he went all meat.

Brian Redban 37:53 I did that, uh, but I gained it immediately back the second I stopped it.

Joe Rogan 37:57 (laughs)

Brian Redban 37:58 You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 37:58 Why'd you stop it then? Why'd you stop it?

Brian Redban 37:59 Because I- You know how it is, you just get tired of meat. Uh, not tired of meat, but you just miss, like, fruit, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:04 Yeah.

Brian Redban 38:05 (laughs) And, like, I need fruit.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Yeah.

Brian Redban 38:07 I need a salad.

Joe Rogan 38:08 I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit. I think fruit's fine for you.

Brian Redban 38:12 Right. I've lost, like, over 30 pounds in a year, though, just being on testosterone, not doing anything different.

Joe Rogan 38:16 Really?

Brian Redban 38:17 Yeah. It's- it's just like-

Joe Rogan 38:17 Why don't you work out a little bit?

Brian Redban 38:19 I do now that I live downtown half the time-

Joe Rogan 38:21 Do you?

Brian Redban 38:21 ... 'cause I'm walking everywhere, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:23 You just walk?

Brian Redban 38:23 Yeah, it's great.

Joe Rogan 38:24 Yeah. Just hire a trainer. You got cash.

Brian Redban 38:26 Uh, but yeah, I'm like the Ozempic people, they're like ... (laughs) I'm too ... I, I ...

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yeah, but if you just get someone who shows up at your house.

Brian Redban 38:32 I, I ... No, that sounds even worse.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Like, come on, Brian.

Brian Redban 38:33 That sounds worse. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:34 Get up.

Brian Redban 38:35 I'd rather just ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Get up. Let's go work out.

Brian Redban 38:37 Now I have a nice gym, so I'll probably start-

Joe Rogan 38:38 But if you just, like, eased into it. Just, we wanna keep you alive.

Brian Redban 38:43 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:43 You can't die now. Kill Tony's killing it.

Brian Redban 38:45 (laughs) Yeah, true.

Joe Rogan 38:46 I mean, you guys are literally on top of the world. You- you guys could do an arena in every city every night of the week.

Brian Redban 38:52 Y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:52 You could just fly around the country doing arenas. And the- it's a new show every time. That's what's so crazy. Like, it's not like a standup show where you, like, you develop the show, you put the bits together, you put on a special. No. Like, you guys could do a new show everywhere you go.

Brian Redban 39:09 The only thing with the arena is it's- it's so much work and it has to-

Joe Rogan 39:13 (laughs)

Brian Redban 39:13 You know what I mean? 'Cause you gotta be bigger and dearer, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:15 Well, you have a producer. You got Anthony now as a producer.

Brian Redban 39:16 Oh, yeah. I mean, the- which is the most amazing thing ever, by the way.

Joe Rogan 39:19 Yeah, helps.

Brian Redban 39:20 God.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Yeah.

Brian Redban 39:20 He's awesome. Uh, but- but it's also, you know, the, uh, arena's- it changes the show a little.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 39:27 Like, it's more of a celebration kind of thing, I think. You know? But you need those weekly normal, you know, Mothership shows, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 39:34 Yeah.

Brian Redban 39:34 That's so important because that's-

Joe Rogan 39:36 yeah.

Brian Redban 39:36 ... really the show. You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:37 Well, it's- it's also the club experience-

Brian Redban 39:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:40 And to see the club experience on YouTube ... The Mothership and, like, what- Kill Tony at the Mothership is the cornerstone of standup comedy because it's showing young comics that there's a path. You can actually do this. And it's just about being funny. Regardless of your political beliefs, your ideology, what you think you're supposed to say with your platform, stop. It's just about being funny. That's what people wanna see. They just wanna laugh. There's plenty of people lecturing people, plenty of people telling people what to do. They just wanna laugh. And when you get one minute, there's no time for any bullshit. And then you have one minute with these hawks on the left side of you.

Brian Redban 40:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:18 Just hawks. Just vicious professional comedians all waiting to shit on your act or say something funny at your expense. And then the audience, they get to see, you know, William Montgomery kill, Cam kill, Hans kill. These people are killing. And so, the audience is primed. It's like, if you can do that, if you can actually get through that and make that minute and have everybody go, "That was really great," and the audience gives you a round of applause, you're like, "Holy shit, you're flying." And then the audience wants to see you try it again. And now you're out in the open mics every night and you're banging it out because you think, "Oh my God, I think there's a real pathway to a career here." And then you do a second show, and the next thing you know, you got a golden ticket. Holy shit. Next thing you know, you're Hans Kim.

Brian Redban 41:05 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 41:06 You're opening up for me in arenas. We- we're traveling around all over the fucking world. You're- you're doing standup now to your own sold-out audiences and weekends and these clubs. It's incredible.

Brian Redban 41:16 Hans Kim is killing it.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Killing it.

Brian Redban 41:18 Every weekend, he's somewhere near selling-

Joe Rogan 41:20 Killing it.

Brian Redban 41:20 ... five out sh- Like, one of-

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yeah.

Brian Redban 41:21 He might be one of the most popular comedians, like, in the i- in the circuit right now, just ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:25 And he keeps getting better. He did a set the other night, last week at the Mothership, did two nights, and he fucking murdered. And all this new shit, I was like, "Dude, that's great stuff." It was really well written, really funny.

Brian Redban 41:38 Have you seen his process? It's insane. He has, like, spreadsheets in Excel and stuff like that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:42 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Brian Redban 41:42 It's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:43 Yeah, he gets nutty.

Brian Redban 41:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:44 He's on the plane nerding out-

Brian Redban 41:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:46 ... on his fucking, on all his material, but that's how to do it, man. That's how to do it. And- but the thing is, like, these comics now, they see there's a genuine path and it exists. And it- so it sets the tone for open mics and for standups, 'cause they realize, like, hey, this is not a- it's not about your fucking ideologies. It's just about being funny. Too many people got trapped in this clapter mode where you- you wanna say something, you know, you're gonna use something, you're gonna use your act for social justice. Like, (sighs) .

Brian Redban 42:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:19 Be funny.

Brian Redban 42:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Be funny. You have to be funny. That's- that's the thing. Now, if you have a point and you have something you wanna say and it's funny and you know how to work it and make it funny, great. Great. But it's gotta be funny. And so many people, they started off with, like, this idea of, like, taking this ... "I'm gonna take this sneaky shortcut and just say a bunch of shit that, you know, k- kind, rational people will agree with."

Brian Redban 42:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:46 You know? Whether it's about the vaccine, you know, support the science, or whether it's about Trump being a dictator. Like, they'll say things just to get that clap, (claps hands) just to get that thing. And then they'll throw a few half-ass jokes in with it when they're already riding on the wave of being correct and on the right side of things. Like, "Right, everybody?" And it's all just like you're avoiding being funny.... you're avoiding it. You just, y- you're, you know. A- and some of these people that we're seeing doing this, like, you're so fucked in the head. You shouldn't be giving out advice on anything. You're such a crazy person. And then you're on stage, like, lecturing the country on how to think and behave. You're out of your fucking mind. Like, you need to be in the jungle doing ayahuasca for, like, a month.

Brian Redban 43:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:38 Like, (laughs) shut the fuck up, stupid. You miserable cunt. And, but meanwhile you're, like, telling people how to behave and live their life. It's bananas. It's bananas.

Brian Redban 43:52 I saw Shane Gillis the other day. He's- he's so... I love how he's funny, but silly and goofy.

Joe Rogan 43:58 Yeah.

Brian Redban 43:59 Like, he's so fun to watch.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Yeah.

Brian Redban 44:00 You know? And then some of these comedians, like, that you're talking about are so, like... I- i- it's a different kind of comedy. I like being, like-

Joe Rogan 44:08 Fun.

Brian Redban 44:09 Fun. Having a fun time. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:10 Let's have fun. Does someone-

Brian Redban 44:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:12 Somewhere along the line, people who wanted people to think they were smart thought that you couldn't be having fun if you were smart.

Brian Redban 44:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Which is weird. It's so weird. It's just an insecurity thing. It's so weird to think you can't be silly...

Brian Redban 44:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:29 ... and be smart, 'cause Shane is very smart. And if you underestimate him because you think that he's, like, a big oaf... You know, Shane is very fucking smart.

Brian Redban 44:37 Oh, he's, he reads. He reads.

Joe Rogan 44:38 He reads a lot, and he knows a lot about history. And when s- people say stupid shit, he'll go, "Th- th- nope, that's not what happened." And then he'll start rattling off, like, "Well, Eastern Europe at the time," like, and, like, everybody's like, "Oh." (laughs) They forgot he's smart.

Brian Redban 44:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:50 You forget he went to West Point. Like, he's a smart fella. Smart fella.

Brian Redban 44:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:55 Just big, silly, jolly guy, and people underestimate them, you know?

Brian Redban 45:00 Mm-hmm. And Matt McCusker, you know? He is.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Oh, very smart, McCusker.

Brian Redban 45:03 Yeah, both of those guys.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Cool as shit too.

Brian Redban 45:04 Yeah, I love those guys.

Joe Rogan 45:05 So nice that they're here.

Brian Redban 45:06 It's so cool.

Joe Rogan 45:06 Oh.

Brian Redban 45:06 That's such a nice bonus. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 The whole Philly crew.

Brian Redban 45:08 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:08 Those guys are great. Tommy, those guys are great.

Brian Redban 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:11 Yeah. Lamer is here now.

Brian Redban 45:13 Yep. Joey D- Diaz has been hanging out lately.

Joe Rogan 45:16 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 45:16 Which is so great to see Joey. Oh my God, it's been-

Joe Rogan 45:18 Joey's getting a real estate agent.

Brian Redban 45:20 Y- yeah. (laughs) That's fucking awesome.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban 45:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:22 He's gonna get a spot on here. It's, you know, once he got here, he's like, "This is what I've been missing, dog. This is what I've been missing." And this is what I told you, Joey. I know you don't want to totally listen to me. He doesn't want to listen.

Brian Redban 45:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:32 You know, I tell him, "Joey, you really shouldn't be out there by yourself in New Jersey."

Brian Redban 45:35 Yeah. You're in Jersey, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:37 Yeah. (laughs) Just-

Brian Redban 45:37 That's why you got outta there in the first place. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:39 It's, Jersey's not bad.

Brian Redban 45:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:41 But it's not, it's not right for comedy. J- where he lives is great. Great neighborhood, great area. Food's amazing, fantastic. Everybody loves him. He's like the king of New Jersey.

Brian Redban 45:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:50 It's a great place to live and exist. Nothing, nothing wrong with that. But we, we live by our tribe. W- we, we exist in tribes, and we have a tribe of comedians. And we had it in Los Angeles, and I think we underestimated how important it was when we left. And one of the first things that I realized when we started doing shows out here, when we first started doing the Vulcan, was like, yeah, you need a place where everybody goes.

Brian Redban 46:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:20 And this is a kind of weird one 'cause everybody only goes while this show is on. And the green room set-up is goofy. You gotta go upstairs. There's a lot of weirdness to it. This is not ideal. But we need a, comedians need a place. Like, otherwise you're on your own. You're out, just out there alone by yourself.

Brian Redban 46:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:38 And then you call and, "You wanna open up for me this weekend?" And then you go see the... And then the only time you're around comics is when you're working with them on the road.

Brian Redban 46:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Weird.

Brian Redban 46:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:45 It's not good for you. We're too strange. We're too strange. Our sensibilities and what we're nor- nor- what's normal to us is too strange. And if you're around just, like, boring-ass people-

Brian Redban 46:58 Norms?

Joe Rogan 46:58 Norms.

Brian Redban 46:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:59 Especially norms that aren't interesting.

Brian Redban 47:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:01 You can't pick them. You can't pick your neighbors. Like, you know, I have great neighbors, but I didn't, I didn't pick them. You know, I didn't have a fucking audition to see who could be my neighbor.

Brian Redban 47:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:09 You know?

Brian Redban 47:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:09 But your friends, like, you pick your friends. And when your- your friends are comics, like, you... We are so spoiled. We have just an abundance of fun.

Brian Redban 47:19 Yeah. It's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:21 So spoiled.

Brian Redban 47:21 So spoiled. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:23 So spoiled. You know?

Brian Redban 47:24 It's n-

Joe Rogan 47:24 Whenever Ron White does the rodeos, he comes back, "I am so fucking spoiled." Hey goes, "I hated every minute of being in that green room."

Brian Redban 47:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:34 (laughs)

Brian Redban 47:34 God, I love Ron.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Well, he's the leader of the pack.

Brian Redban 47:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:37 He was the- the first reason I had, uh, considered Austin. And this was actually before the pandemic. I always loved it here, and, you know, Onnit was always here, so I was always visiting here. But when he was... It was, I guess 2018 when he decided to get a place here. He was like, "You know, it's the center of the country. I can travel there from anywhere. My son's here. I fucking love it. It's beautiful. Great food. Nice people." I'm like, "Damn, can't I live in Texas? Can't I live in Aus-" I'm like, "That doesn't make any sense." I'm like, "They have one club." You know? It was like Cap City was on the way out. No, it wasn't. I guess it was, like, 2019 when it really crumbled, right?

Brian Redban 48:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:14 It was like... Was it during COVID that it crumbled?

Brian Redban 48:16 It was right at the beginning of COVID, I think.

Joe Rogan 48:19 So it was still ex-

Brian Redban 48:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:20 It still was there, but it, they always-

Brian Redban 48:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:22 It was a weekend club, right? So you'd have your headliners who come in for the weekend. So, like, when would I be able to do shows? Like, maybe I could do late night shows there, or maybe I could do, like, guest spots there, like, maybe.

Brian Redban 48:31 But you were also thinking, wasn't it Utah or something like that?

Joe Rogan 48:34 Yeah.

Brian Redban 48:34 You remember how bad that would have been? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:35 Yeah. I thought about Utah.

Brian Redban 48:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:37 But with Utah, uh, I thought about b- getting a p- 'cause I have a buddy who lives in Park City.

Brian Redban 48:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:42 I was like, "Maybe I could get a place in Park City, and then I could just drive down to Wise Guys," 'cause Wise Guys in Salt Lake is the shit.

Brian Redban 48:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:49 That is a fucking great club. That is one of my favorite clubs to go to.

Brian Redban 48:53 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 48:53 And Salt Lake people are fun, man. They're fun. Like, people think, "Oh, the Mormons." Like, no, it's the people that aren't the Mormons that wanna go out.

Brian Redban 49:00 Right. Biggest whores too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:01 And then the, and then the Mormons... (laughs)

Brian Redban 49:03 (laughs) Just ass sex everywhere for those girls.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Is that what the Mormons do?

Brian Redban 49:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:07 I didn't know.

Brian Redban 49:08 Doesn't count.

Joe Rogan 49:08 So it, when they're, when you're out in a place like that, if you're a comic, you gotta make... L- there's gotta be a consideration, like, "Where could I go up?"... like, I could... Montana was like, there's no place.

Brian Redban 49:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:19 There's no one. I've got nothing. It's like, apparently there's a little bit of a comedy scene in Bozeman now that might have started up, like, around the pandemic or slightly before the pandemic.

Brian Redban 49:28 Could you imagine if you still (laughs) lived in Denver how liberal you would be?

Joe Rogan 49:32 (laughs) Yeah, I'd change.

Brian Redban 49:32 You'd be like, "What?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:35 I would res-

Brian Redban 49:36 You'd be so different. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:36 You're crazy. I would resist it. That's hilarious. You think I would just get into that nonsense?

Brian Redban 49:41 Yeah, yeah. (laughs) You'd be, like, a hippie and shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:43 No.

Brian Redban 49:43 Like...

Joe Rogan 49:44 No, the hippies were already annoying me, and I was on, only there for four months.

Brian Redban 49:46 I know. You got the fuck outta there quick. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:49 (laughs) I was living next to an ashram, and I went to visit-

Brian Redban 49:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 ... the lady in the ashram, and I was talking to her, and she's spraying, uh, bug spray on ants.

Brian Redban 49:58 (laughs) That's right.

Joe Rogan 49:58 And I was like, "Yo."

Brian Redban 50:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:01 So her and I had, like, this bizarre philosophical conversation. I go, "But you are a Buddhist."

Brian Redban 50:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:08 "And you believe in the sanctity of life, and that all things are, are... living things are important. You just killed thousands of them-"

Brian Redban 50:17 This is good shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:17 "... casually in front of me." Like, she just fucking casually in front of me raided these ants. And I was like-

Brian Redban 50:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:25 ... "This is kinda crazy. This is kind of a crazy thing to do, you just did."

Brian Redban 50:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:30 "Uh, not only that, you did it, you're poisoning yourself." Like, that shit's, like, super toxic. Even bre... If you can smell it, you're breathing it in. If you can breathe it in, it's bad for you. Like, it's killing those ants instantly. What's it doing to you? You're just bigger than an ant. If it was at the same dose, you get the same dose of Raid that an ant gets. I mean, I don't know how it kills ants, but I gotta imagine it's not sophisticated.

Brian Redban 50:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:52 It's not, like, some genetic alteration that stop- stops their heart from beating. Uh-uh. Probably poison, like, horrible, horrible poison.

Brian Redban 51:00 I used to like the smell of Raid when I was a kid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:02 It's great. I love that smell.

Brian Redban 51:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:04 I love that smell and markers.

Brian Redban 51:06 Yeah. D- do you know anything about this? I don't know if we've ever talked about this, speaking in the kind of same line, uh, about gas, uh, uh, stoves being poisonous for you?

Joe Rogan 51:15 Terrible for you. Lower your IQ.

Brian Redban 51:17 Yeah, what the fuck, dude?

Joe Rogan 51:18 What the fuck, dude?

Brian Redban 51:19 The new... The latest reports are, like, scary. (laughs) Like...

Joe Rogan 51:21 Not only that, but when I was a kid, I remember, like, you walked by the stove and you could smell it.

Brian Redban 51:25 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:26 And they're like, "Oh, the pilot light must be out." Like, "Oh."

Brian Redban 51:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:30 "What? Is it just fucking gas-"

Brian Redban 51:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:31 "... floating around this apartment?"

Brian Redban 51:33 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:34 Yeah. That probably lowered our IQs. You know another thing that lowered our IQs? Lead from, from gasoline, when they had leaded gasoline.

Brian Redban 51:42 Oh, that's right.

Joe Rogan 51:43 Yeah.

Brian Redban 51:43 Unleaded to leaded, that's right.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Yeah. Lead from gasoline lowered IQs by a measurable amount.

Brian Redban 51:51 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 51:52 "Kids who lived in homes with gas stoves experienced levels of nitrogen dioxide triple to those who came from homes with electric stoves. Kids from homes with gas stoves fared marginally worse on cognitive tasks, again a point or two out of 100-point scale." So it made them a little dumber. It would probably affect their health-

Brian Redban 52:13 What-

Joe Rogan 52:14 ... which would also make you a little dumber if you're tired.

Brian Redban 52:16 I think the latest study said it- it's like having... It's like breathing in the hi- the highway, like, fumes, uh, in your house, um-

Joe Rogan 52:23 Oh, God.

Brian Redban 52:23 ... at the same level, like if you just worked on a highway every day.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Yeah, how many people have ever gone through their fucking house with, like, an, an air scanner?

Brian Redban 52:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:32 I've never done that.

Brian Redban 52:33 No. But I have a lot of those, uh, things that clean the air. I have, like, huge industrial ones all around my house.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Oh, that's good.

Brian Redban 52:41 Yeah. (laughs) Because I have cats.

Joe Rogan 52:42 That'll help you, that'll help you a little bit, but I don't know if that'll help you from gas stoves.

Brian Redban 52:45 No, I don't think that works with that, right?

Joe Rogan 52:47 So the gas stoves is one thing, but the leaded gasoline thing is a crazy one.

Brian Redban 52:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Because they put lead in gasoline, so I guess it stops the engine from pinging. I'm a moron, even though I love cars, I don't really exactly know, like, what, what happened with lead and unleaded.

Brian Redban 53:05 Ping.

Joe Rogan 53:05 But they had leaded gasoline forever. Like, when I was a kid, when I had muscle cars, it w- you had to get leaded gasoline to make the muscle car run good. Like, unleaded gasoline, it would run like shit. And so we all had... Like, I don't even know when they came out with unleaded gasoline.

Brian Redban 53:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:23 Uh, but I remember for sure, when I was younger, there was options. You get leaded or unleaded.

Brian Redban 53:28 I think '82 probably.

Joe Rogan 53:29 And when you... You always w- Everybody wanted leaded, but when you were, when you were driving around, you were... That shit from those pipes, all that exhaust, all the burning of that leaded gasoline literally poisoned the ground.

Brian Redban 53:46 '70s.

Joe Rogan 53:47 "Unleaded gasoline was introduced in the 1970s when health problems from lead became apparent. In the United States, leaded gasoline for use on non-road vehicles was completely phased out as of January 1st, 1996."

Brian Redban 54:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:00 "Most other countries have also stopped using leaded gasoline." What... Now find out what the effect leaded gasoline had on IQs, 'cause that was what was disturbing. So they, they were saying that people in, like, urban areas that had, like, a lot of, like, cars traveling back and forth... My friend lived in Brooklyn, my friend, Steve Rinella, he lived in Brooklyn for a while, and he was gonna grow plants in his backyard, but he has soi- 'Cause he's, he's very smart, so he had his soil tested. And he found it's, like, filled with lead from leaded gasoline from the fucking '60s and the '50s and shit. It's just in the dirt. "According to a 2022 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, childhood exposure to leaded gasoline has caused a loss of 824 million IQ points for more than 170 million Americans, or about half of the US population. This is based on an average of 2.6 IQ points lost per person. The study also found that people born in the mid to late-1960s may have lost up to six IQ points," that's me, w- "while children in the highest levels of lead, uh, uh, with the highest levels of lead in their blood may have lost more than seven IQ points on average."

Jamie Vernon 55:16 This is reminding me of this thing that hit the internet yesterday about 100% of testicles having-

Brian Redban 55:20 Microplastics.

Jamie Vernon 55:22 ... microplastics. Did you see that?

Brian Redban 55:22 I just wrote that down. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:23 Maybe yours, bitch.

Brian Redban 55:25 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 55:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:26 Maybe yours. Well, you know, I was watching... Uh, Paul Saladino had this thing on his Instagram that I was looking at today about plastic, uh, cutting boards. And he was like, "Just let me show you what happens with the plastic cutting boards."

Brian Redban 55:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Like, this is gonna get into your food for sure, and you're gonna eat it.

Brian Redban 55:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Like, this is not good.

Brian Redban 55:41 Yeah, I knew about that a long time ago, but, uh, so it's, it- that's exactly what microplastic pretty much is.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Microplastics found in every human testicle in the study. Can we go back to plastic straws then?

Jamie Vernon 55:52 (laughs)

Brian Redban 55:52 Yeah, if-

Joe Rogan 55:52 Can we just go back to plastic straws? I promise I'll throw them away, okay? The problem is really not with straws and turtles. The problem's w- with garbage management.

Jamie Vernon 56:05 Oh.

Brian Redban 56:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:05 They're doing a shit job of man-... They're like-

Jamie Vernon 56:08 Wow.

Joe Rogan 56:08 ... approximately getting all the garbage.

Jamie Vernon 56:10 This was a pretty small study. (laughs)

Brian Redban 56:12 23 testicles?

Joe Rogan 56:13 23. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 56:14 And 47 dogs.

Brian Redban 56:14 And 46 bones.

Joe Rogan 56:15 47 testes from pet dogs, they found microplastic pollution in every single sample. So it's probably in everything. I mean-

Brian Redban 56:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 ... i- i- it's probably in everything. Even though that's a small sample, you gotta think of like how much plastic is being used.

Brian Redban 56:29 And what's it even mean? Like, are we stronger? Maybe w- just don't put us in the microwave or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:34 No, it makes... It's, uh, an endoc- endocrine disruptor. The problem is it, uh, it's measurable, measurable decrease in testosterone with males, measurable decrease in, uh, fertility with women, a lot more miscarriages, and it's all correlates directly with microplastics. It directly with when you're microwaving food with saran wrap on it in a plastic container, and there's like little chips of plastic that come when you open up packages, and, you know, there's, there was an estimate, and we were trying to figure out exactly whether or not it was accurate, but that every week you eat one credit card of-

Brian Redban 57:15 Oh, that's right. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:15 ... of plastic, which is insane.

Brian Redban 57:17 Insane. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:18 Insane. Human testicles had a plastic concentration almost three times higher than that found in dogs. Of course, because like we're not just eating dog food that comes out of a can or a bowl.

Brian Redban 57:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:30 We're, we're constantly eating food that comes from plastic. 330 micrograms per gram of tissue compared to 123 micrograms. Polyethylene used in plastic bags and bottles was the most common microplastic found, followed by PVC, so shit from pipes, so the pipes where you're drinking your water.

Brian Redban 57:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:48 And then, uh, polyethylene, which is used in plastic bottles, which is what everyone's drinking out of, and you drink out of when they've been sitting... W- how long did they sit on the dock before they got to the delivery truck?

Brian Redban 58:01 (laughs) Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Like, (laughs) when you buy like bargain water, if you're barg- uh, buying bargain plastic bottled water, is there a chain of custody where they can show at every step of the way it was in a p- a con- a controlled environment, where it wouldn't be heated up, where the plastic from the bottle would leach into your water and give you like this toxic stew that's killing your nuts?

Brian Redban 58:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:22 'Cause that's what it does.

Brian Redban 58:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:23 It kills your nuts. It makes your taint shrink.

Brian Redban 58:27 That's not a bad thing.

Joe Rogan 58:29 It is a bad thing.

Brian Redban 58:29 (laughs) You don't want your asshole closer to your balls? I want it.

Joe Rogan 58:33 No.

Brian Redban 58:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:34 There's a certain manageable distance, and nature's already figured that out. That's exactly what it is. Um, this lady from, uh... She, was it... She's from Harvard, right? Shanna Swan? She, uh, was on the podcast. She explained it to us that with mammals when you look at their taints, the, the length of the taint is y- you could tell if it's a male or female, even if it's like a gerbil, 'cause the male taints are 50% to 100% larger. But since the introduction of plastics, the taints are shrinking on men, and the balls and the dicks are shrinking too. So we're becoming genderless through plastic. So as we have more technology, like think of all this trans stuff.

Jamie Vernon 59:12 Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 To... Look at all this trans stuff, all this crazy stuff that's going on, nonbinary, the I don't identify with it, with this feminizing of American men, demonizing of masculinity. What is that? Well, it's maybe AI and technology changing the organism to better suit its goal. Its goal is taking over. Wh- what better way than eliminate all sexual breeding, eliminate biological human beings inc- uh, completely, just slowly make them into this genderless mess they can't reproduce anymore and has to adopt artificial intelligence for the future of the species.

Brian Redban 59:56 Fucked up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:57 Right?

Brian Redban 59:57 Yes, it's fucked up. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 59:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:57 What- wouldn't you do it that way? Wouldn't you do it that way? And you make it-

Brian Redban 1:00:00 Find microplastics.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 ... really convenient to use the plastic.

Brian Redban 1:00:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Plastic's everywhere. You make it convenient. And so this dumb animal keeps using the plastic over and over and over again, and as it keeps using the plastic, then its species becomes less and less viable.

Brian Redban 1:00:16 What if the dogs were AI, and they're the ones doing it? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 I don't think so.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:20 Like, at what temperature does this happens at? You know, I'm just starting to think like we-

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 140 degrees.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:24 Don't bring plastic water bottles into the sauna-

Brian Redban 1:00:26 Oh, yeah, definitely.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:27 ... 'cause you're just like, you're creating more of it.

Brian Redban 1:00:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Oh, yeah, definitely, if you're doing it in a sauna. "Especially at temperatures higher than above 140." Yeah, "Bottled water companies follow sa- safety, (laughs) safety standards to minimize risk." Sure they do.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:41 Yeah, I would say.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Sure they do. What are your safety standards, bitch?

Jamie Vernon 1:00:43 Bitch, it's 158. Other things said 200.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Mm.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:46 There was a test I was just looking at that they tr- uh, at room temperature, there wasn't a lot of activity they found, but as soon as they put it up to 50 degrees Celsius, they started testing all sorts of stuff for showing up.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Hmm. What is 50 degrees Celsius in, um... That's pretty hot.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:01 Uh, I don't know.

Brian Redban 1:01:01 I- it's like 180 or something like that. But-

Jamie Vernon 1:01:03 100 would be 212.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 100 is 212?

Jamie Vernon 1:01:07 Boiling point.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:08 ... it's 50 degrees is 122. And one point of Celsius is a hundred, and Fahrenheit it's 212.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 So, at 122 they start measuring chemicals leaching.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:16 And that's not even the... It could be-

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 That could be so.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:18 ... outside here.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 And that's so easy.

Brian Redban 1:01:20 Yeah, leave it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Especially, like what if they, this bottled water's coming from another country and it's on a boat across the fucking ocean the entire time, just cooking?

Brian Redban 1:01:27 You leave your bottle in your car in the sun-

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Yeah.

Brian Redban 1:01:29 ... you know, and then, and then you come back and drink it? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that stuff is just cooking.

Brian Redban 1:01:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 It's cooking, and it's turning us into some weird thing w- where our dicks are shrinking-

Brian Redban 1:01:38 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 ... our sperm count is lowering, and we're becoming confused about gender. Like, I think they might all be related to technology 'cause it's a part of technology, like one of the most important residues of technology, like the residue of technology, a lot of it is like, uh, minerals and plastics. And all this stuff just gets out into the environment, in ground fills, and landfills, and gets into the ocean, it's like all, all this stuff that we use that makes more technology is all bad for us. (laughs) The minerals are bad for us, the plastic is bad for us, but yet we're addicted to technology, and all technology has plastic in it. Like there are just, there's wires that are covered in plastic, there's plastic this, there's plastic that.

Brian Redban 1:02:23 When do you think it-

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 What are the screens made out of?

Brian Redban 1:02:24 ... when do you think it started though? Like, when the first computer was created?

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 (sighs)

Brian Redban 1:02:29 'Cause (laughs) like, that, and then plastic was made like two months later or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 I think... This is what I think. I think technology is a life form, and I think it's just a sea of life forms, different kinds of life forms, but they're operating at a different frequency so we don't think of them as a life form. We think of ourselves as a life form because we have sex to make babies, we raise the babies, we have community, we have this like thing that we all do together, but we don't... We, we are a life form, we have, we have clothes, we have a mortgage, we are a life form. This is just a thing I made. This is just a computer. This is just an electric car. This is just a thing. I think there's a misunderstanding of the relationship and I think that us, the smart monkeys, make this, we make this. And our desire for this is what fuels constant innovation. No one's ever satisfied. No matter how dope everything is, even if your refrigerator got the exact expiration date of your orange juice, even if your phone had 100 hour battery life, no one's happy. "I want the new one. The new one's 150. I could just charge it once and use it for a month. Yay," and no one's gonna be happy no matter what. "200 megapixel, this guy's 2 million, I can see the sun." No one's gonna be happy. You're not gonna be happy until you could see past Jupiter. (laughs) You're not gonna be happy until you could fucking look on your phone and see the inside of a black hole, and then you won't be happy because this new phone, this new phone can get you to the Big Bang if it ever really happened, if that ever really happened. You can go back to that. The, the new phone will let you see everything. You can literally look into the past with the new phone. Well, the new phone, after the new phone, lets you create the past in a different way. You can actually go back in time with the new phone. It'll just never stop. It'll never stop, and we're gonna be trans. Everyone's gonna... (laughs) Everyone's gonna shrivel up, we're all gonna be non-binary, it's, there's no way out of it. We're poisoning ourselves and we're not hitting the brakes, and we're gonna, we're just gonna slide into this genderless future, and some people are gonna be really happy about it, and I think they wrote about it in the Bible when they said, "The meek will inherit the Earth."

Brian Redban 1:04:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 I think it's in the Bible, and I'm not kidding.

Brian Redban 1:04:54 Oh, God. (laughs) No.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 I'm not kidding. As more time goes on, I'm not kidding.

Brian Redban 1:04:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 I think, I think the Bible got that one right. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:02 (laughs)

Brian Redban 1:05:02 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 I think they didn't... I think, you know, a lot got lost in translation, they forgot to mention plastics turning into a bitch, but that's what it is.

Brian Redban 1:05:11 And that's why I think Noah's Ark is real, Brian.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 I don't think that's real, but I, I do think that... I do think that we're on, uh, a slide of a cycle that probably has been predicted by cultures that study the rise and declines of civilizations because... It's hard to say because everything is written down, right? And when everything's written down, it's written down by the people who won, so you have like approximations of how things went down and why someone said this, and sometimes you don't really know, especially going back like 2,000, 3,000 years ago. But I think if you get an overall understanding of what happens when a country takes over, and when, like, things start happening, and it seems like you get, like these badass warriors, these savage people who dominate a place and take control and then start to prosper and everything starts kicking ass, and then you have ancient Rome, and you have Ancient Greece, but all of 'em fall apart, all of 'em are gone, all of 'em. You go to Rome now, it's a joke, it's cab drivers and fucking shitty tourist pizza places. You know, it used to be the center of the fucking universe and now it's a joke. It's a great place to visit, don't get me wrong, it's beautiful, the Colosseum's amazing, I recommend it, it's good. The Vatican is fucking incredible, but it's not running the world, it's not, it's not the, the head of the army of the world. It used to be. It used to be the baddest motherfuckers that conquered everything. Same thing with Mongolia. I mean, when Genghis Khan was running things, then they, they had killed 10% of the population from that spot. He was dominating like a, a giant chunk of the world. And now it's just a regular place, you know, 'cause it fell apart. They all fall apart. And so some people have studied the rise and fall of civilizations, and they say you can, you can really predict it. It's just like when things start going too well, people start getting really soft and silly and entitled, and you get the rise of people that are trying to get attention for no fucking reason and you get debauchery. And then with Rome, it's always connected with like Sodom and Gomorrah stuff, and the, you know, there was all just, uh, they were all just fucking each other and eating till they could, puked and then go back and eat again. You know, there's always those stories of gluttony, and, and it's just like they... It eventually falls apart, and it always does. And if that's true-... that's where we're at. We're at this crazy part. We're at this crazy part.

Narrator 1:07:42 Right before.

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Right before. (laughs)

Narrator 1:07:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 Where the president is, like, clearly gone-

Narrator 1:07:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:47 ... and everybody's like, "No, he's amazing." Everybody's... All these fucking people, because they don't want the other guy to win, are just lying to everyone and ruining their credibility, 'cause no one's admitting, like... Okay, I'm willing to vote Democrat. Show me one that says something that makes sense that I can trust that's not dying. Just show-

Narrator 1:08:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 Show me one that's younger. Show me one, show me one that is a reasonable centrist that makes sense with all this. But they don't wanna do that. They just wanna keep trotting this crazy s- situation out, where you get this Alzheimer's patient or whatever he's got, dementia. And he's l- like, making shit up and just saying things and everybody has to correct him. And it's like... But... And everyone knows what's going on, but no one on one side w- is willing to say it, because if you say it, then it's gonna empower Trump, who's Hitler. It's like, "Holy shit, kids. This is a... This is not good. This is not a good place to be." And this is, like, what you would expect of a society that's collapsing. You just never wanna think your society is gonna collapse, like, "No, dude, the Romans were retarded." Like, "Those guys were idiots. They didn't know what to do. They, they should've stopped throwing up." Start fucking e-... Stop fucking each other and just go to work. Fix your streets.

Narrator 1:09:07 AI will be our president someday. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 I don't think, I don't think that's the worst idea.

Narrator 1:09:11 No, it'd be the best.

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 I think about it a lot. I think about it as, m- a scary thing, because w- it would be hard to argue with it. Like, if it could say that it could manage people in a far more fair and even way, and completely eliminate this high-level poverty that we see in the country, and reduce crime, like, radically, why wouldn't you let it do it?

Narrator 1:09:37 We should have a beta. The whole country should have a beta test of it. Like, all right, we're gonna do it per-week basis.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 What do you think it would do?

Narrator 1:09:43 It'd probably clean up and be... Fix everything and... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 Why don't we ask AI? Let's, uh, ask it. Let's ask, um, ChatGPT 4o, how do I phrase this? Um...

Narrator 1:09:55 Hold on, let me...

Jamie Vernon 1:09:56 I was thinking of one. Would you rather have it, (clears throat) like, one AI, like, one AI overlord president with, like, five, you know, f- three to five people that can check on it? Or, like, a cabinet of AI with one person picking those decisions?

Narrator 1:10:10 Oh yeah, cabinet of AI. O- absolutely.

Jamie Vernon 1:10:13 Like, a transportation-focused, or...

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 I- Yeah, but I don't think one person should be in charge of picking that.

Jamie Vernon 1:10:17 Or yeah, just maybe a- maybe three to five watching that then.

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 No. Maybe, maybe a large group of people to prevent corruption and tyranny. You have to be real careful with that. But I think that if you... 'Cause people are gonna r- Look, we've already seen it with social media. People that are, like, ideologically captured are gonna try to suppress accurate information because they don't think it's gonna be good for their side. If you don't think they're gonna do that with AI, if they have some method of controlling systems, they're gonna do it.

Narrator 1:10:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 But I think that if you had only one AI, that's way more dangerous than having a bunch of AIs. And I think one of the most important things that's happening right now is open source AI, right? So you have these AIs that wanna be controlled, they wanna control AI, like Gemini, Google wants to control it. But what they're trying to do, what the open source people are trying to do, is have more people involved, get it better, and, and keep it open source, so you never have one AI that's dominating everything. And if the open source AI, if it succeeds, and this