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Joe Rogan Experience #2157 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, creator of "The Midnight Gospel" on Netflix, and the voice of "Hippocampus" on the television series "Krapopolis." www.duncantrussell.com www.youtube.com/@duncantrussellfamilyhour

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May 29, 20243h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:35

    AI assimilation and being the “last pre-AI people”

    1. JR

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

    4. DT

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      I- I think it's important to send a message to AI that we're willing to comply.

    6. DT

      E- exactly.

    7. JR

      We wanna integrate.

    8. DT

      Integrate, assimilate.

    9. JR

      Yeah, I'm not interested in being unique. I just wanna survive.

    10. DT

      Are you gonna fight evolution?

    11. JR

      No.

    12. DT

      Are you really gonna fight the blending mechanism of planet-

    13. JR

      Ah, ah-

    14. DT

      ... Earth?

    15. JR

      ... dude, the inevitable pull of the universe towards an artificial creation-

    16. DT

      Absolutely.

    17. JR

      ... an intelligent, artificial creation that's superior to us, I'm in.

    18. DT

      Exact- it's like, it's like resisting AI is like going to Vegas and not gambling or going to strip clubs, you know? It's like, just-

    19. JR

      I-

    20. DT

      ... fucking do it.

    21. JR

      ... think we are super lucky to be the last people.

    22. DT

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      We're super lucky.

    24. DT

      Super lucky.

    25. JR

      We got to see what life was like with, like, leaded gasoline and no cellphones. (laughs)

    26. DT

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      And everyone's phone was connected to a cord on the wall. We got to go through answering machines. I mean, what a ride. If the simulation theory is real, you and I have been in a crazy timeline.

    28. DT

      Yeah, cra- the game we picked is real (laughs) fucking weird.

    29. JR

      Bro, if you get in the timeline of, like, 1950-

    30. DT

      Yeah.

  2. 1:35 – 3:10

    Cosmic fragility: solar flares, extinction events, and Anunnaki gold lore

    1. DT

      Yeah, dude, I mean, what, what I like is that the way it works, or it seems like it works is the planet gives you some impression, you know, things are gonna stay this way. Like the, like Les Rodrias, there wa- there was people hanging out, and they're like, "It's always gonna be like this." And then suddenly, something flies through the Earth's atmosphere-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DT

      ... and it's all gone, like that-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. DT

      ... in a second.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. DT

      Just gone. So that's the, that's, uh, one of the fascinating things is no matter what period you live in, the sun can just dis- just burp an extra bit of plasma, and it's over.

    8. JR

      And that's a wrap. Yeah, that's a wrap for the whole planet. That happens all over the universe.

    9. DT

      Yes.

    10. JR

      Like, there's always something going on, like, there's supernovas and volcanoes, and you know, that was the big, uh, part of the, the, the theory of the Anunnaki was that volcanoes had ruined their atmosphere.

    11. DT

      Oh.

    12. JR

      And so they needed to s- to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere to preserve, preserve their planet.

    13. DT

      Right.

    14. JR

      Their ecosystem was getting fucked up. That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories.

    15. DT

      Mine too.

    16. JR

      Of all the wacky, like, the evolution of man tied to the, the reason why gold is valuable to people that are, you know, basically have swords.

    17. DT

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      You know, like, what, a sword is made out of iron.

    19. DT

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, that's really valuable. You can kill somebody with it.

    21. DT

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      And you can't do shit with gold.

    23. DT

      No.

    24. JR

      But it's worth more than anything.

    25. DT

      Yeah, yeah, no, that is a real suspicious thing. And, you know, all-

    26. JR

      Suspicious.

  3. 3:10 – 5:18

    Gold aesthetics, gold fever, and the movie ‘Sisu’

    1. DT

      But do you ever, like, you know, sometimes I'll, like, look at my wedding ring, the gold-

    2. JR

      Mm.

    3. DT

      ... and I'll be like, "Ah, it's beautiful." That gold, though, there is something in it that's, like, s- really nice.

    4. JR

      You know, I don't have anything that's gold, not one thing.

    5. DT

      Why?

    6. JR

      I don't like it.

    7. DT

      What?

    8. JR

      I don't like it.

    9. DT

      You don't like gold?

    10. JR

      Nope, never liked it.

    11. DT

      Holy shit.

    12. JR

      I don't like the way it looks. I don't like what it s- m- stands for. I don't like gold.

    13. DT

      You don't like what it stands for?

    14. JR

      Yeah, yeah, it's like it's the weirdest version of this is money.

    15. DT

      (laughs) Yeah.

    16. JR

      To me, this yellow metal that's more impressive than other metals? Like, what are you talking about? Like, I'm not playing into that. It's too stupid. It's too stupid for me. I don't like it.

    17. DT

      Oh my God, man. I watch the fucking mining shows. Like-

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. DT

      (laughs) How can you not?

    20. JR

      Well, I watch the mining shows too. They're cool. It's cool watching people find it.

    21. DT

      Yes.

    22. JR

      I just don't want any of it. You know what I'm saying?

    23. DT

      Dude, I get gold fever. I watch those. When I was-

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. DT

      I do. When I was in North Carolina, I was watching one of those shows, and I was, like, uh, on Amazon looking at panning equipment. I'm like, "Maybe I'll go to a creek."

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. DT

      Pan for gold.

    28. JR

      Oh my God, I could see you out there at a river.

    29. DT

      I've got the, I've got the beard for it, dude.

    30. JR

      Fucking great.

  4. 5:18 – 11:42

    Asteroid mining, robot labor, and why unions matter (until they corrupt)

    1. DT

      Dude, you know what's crazy? I- i- like, do you ever, do you follow the stuff, like, what they're talking about with asteroid mining?

    2. Yes. That shit is crazy that- Crazy. ... crazy that that's our, that's, you know... Uh, probably a couple of generations, people are gonna be, like- It won't be that long. Dude, you know what it's gonna be? It's gonna be, why send biological humans- Pe- ... when you can have AI do it? Yeah. And you'll have AI robots that are attached to rocket ships. They'll shoot 'em into these asteroids- (laughs) And they'll bring back insane amounts of all kinds of things, titanium, uh, uh, you know. They'll find diamonds in space. They'll find everything. Holy fucking shit, man. And it's not gonna look like humanoids. It'll be like spider, skittering gold spiders- (laughs) ... just fucking drilling their proboscis- Yeah. ... into fucking- (laughs) And then they're gonna want more money. They're gonna form a union, 'cause they're, they're intelligent. Well, yeah, exactly. They're gonna be like, "Hey, we're getting fucked here, guys. We're doing all the hard work." Yeah. "This asshole's got a fucking 800-foot yacht." Yeah. "This is bullshit." Yeah. Be- "Guys-" Yeah, and- "Wake up." And then the, then whoever's running them will be like, "Oh, right, you guys are getting fucked? You wanna unionize?" Beep. Unions... What were we talking about? (laughs) Unions- Unions are very weird, right? Just 'cause like, I've supported them- Yeah. ... 'cause I know that big businesses fuck over their workers. Yeah. And if you allow them to, if you don't have laws about, like, how much you can pay them, and a living wage, and- Yeah. ... how long the hours could be, people will take advantage of people. Uh- Anybody who thinks that those things aren't good has never worked a real fucking job. No. If you worked a real job for real assholes, you realize, like, some people will tell you, "Hey, you gotta work 15, 16 hours a day, period." Yeah. And you get $3 an hour and you go- Yeah. "But I thought I was on minimal?" Yeah. "I don't know, the fuck minimums. Do you want this job or not?" Not, yeah. "You're, you're gonna get plenty of money and you'll not have time to spend it anyway, so, don't worry about it." Yeah, yeah, no. The- (laughs) ... union is a nightmare for someone who's trying to make maximum profit. Yeah. But it's not, but, but the mob- But then they go sideways too, though, and then they get corrupt and then something happens where... Look, one of the things that kept the UFC out of, um, out of New York State was some sort of a dispute that they were having- Right. ... with unions. Because the, the people that owned the UFC at the time, they also owned station casinos. Right. So they owned like, I don't know, a ton of casinos, and they wanted to make them union. Yeah. He- So there was like, there was a lot of that going on. So, you, you gotta go like, huh, that is... You, you're, now you're just like, you're manipulating people with money and influence and- Yeah. And I think the guy who was doing it in New York wound up getting arrested and going to jail for corruption. D- If I'm tru- f- find out if that's true. Well, dude, it's like, uh, the, this is, this is like, the model of unions is perfect for, like, a non-violent reso- revolution. Which is, if on a, at a planetary level, somehow people unionized, which you see it with these boycotts that pop up, these meme boycotts. When the collective decides to reject this thing or that, shit changes fast. And this is the nightmare, if you're trying to create the old pyramid hierarchical control structure. You need all the bricks underneath the eye to, to, to fight each other, 'cause the moment- Hmm. ... the moment there (laughs) just like, what, wait, there's like- Exactly. ... way more of us than you. And we have way more in common than we do, that we're troubled with. (laughs) Yeah. And yet they concentrate more on the bullshit, and then that's just like a fucking algorithm on your cellphone. That accentuates everything that comes into contact with your life. Exactly, dude. And this, this is why I think at any given moment actual world peace is possible. Because we're just, like, always, like, enough people realizing that y- uh, we're basically the same. We have ideologies that are based on fucking, like, (laughs) ancient crazy ideas that we're all connecting to. And some of parts of the ideologies, beautiful. Some parts of the ideologies, madness. And it's like just abandoning some of the ideology, recognizing we're all pretty much the fucking same. And that this model of like some dude telling us to go and kill each other is stupid. (laughs) Like we don't have to do that. Everything changes right away. But- Right away. Yeah, but- It's such a dumb idea. Such a dumb idea. And it's always just some withered old fucking dude who's like just telling you to do something and you're n- you don't, you don't even really believe in what you're doing most of the time. But if you don't do it, they arrest you. That's the thing. They're like, it's not rea- it's not like you're, you're, you're, you're fighting. Like any- anytime there's conscription, you know what I mean? Have you seen the videos of the, like, Russian, the people evading conscrip- conscription or the Ukrainians evading conscription? Like it's scary. They'd put your ass on a fucking bus. They'll drag you out of (laughs) a bar. You're fucking hammered. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Fuck, man. So, they don't even wanna fight. Like that's the craziest part is they're like machine-gunning each other and- And they're using people as cannon fodder, literally. Yeah. Oh God, that's so awful. Which is why we wait... The pro- Ugh. The, the real problem is like the market pressure is created by humans unionizing leads to this. It's like, "Oh, you guys wanna unionize? Oh, you want health insurance? Well, that's pretty expensive. But you know what's not quite as expensive? Teslabots. Teslabots wage-" (laughs) You know? Ugh. I mean, 'cause lo- like if you, if you look at the, the path forward if, for the pyramid, the hierarchical people, you know, it's like, man, like yeah, I, I really can't tell somebody like a, a, a police officer to fire into a crowd of protesters. They're not gonna, probably not gonna do that, but my robot will. My robot isn't gonna be like, "This seems wrong. These people seem like me." It's just gonna do it. And so like, that's, that's the dark side of this stuff. There's a lot of beautiful things about this stuff too, but the dark side is like, it's obvious.

  5. 11:42 – 15:46

    War logic vs policing: collateral damage and the normalization of mass violence

    1. JR

      ... just to verify whether thing... Emily's biggest opponent in New York found guilty in federal corruption charges. Yeah, so it's true. Um, d- y- yeah. You know what's crazy? That you, you can't get the police to fire into crowds of protestors. Right?

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      You can't do that. But you also can't, if you're a cop and you know bad people are in a building, you can't just blow up the whole building, but you can if it's war.

    4. DT

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      That's where it gets strange, right? Because in war, you can decide that you're gonna, you're gonna blow up entire buildings-

    6. DT

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      ... because you know the bad guys are in there, and anybody else is just collateral damage. So extra dead people are just cau- Can you imagine if they started practicing police work like that? Like imagine. Imagine if they decided that the, the crime rates in gang-infested neighborhoods-

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... are too bad, so they're gonna send in fucking black ops guys to just take out drug dealers and blow up-

    10. DT

      Dude, yeah. (laughs)

    11. JR

      ... houses, houses that have drug dealers in them.

    12. DT

      They can.

    13. JR

      You're, you're with your mom? Tough shit. Boom, everybody's dead.

    14. DT

      They can.

    15. JR

      You have a little girl in the house? Boom, everybody's dead. Could you imagine? Well, you can because (laughs) you watch Israel and Palestine. That's what's going on. It's just like, you're allowed to do that if it's countries, which is crazy.

    16. DT

      Mm-hmm. Well, yeah. Well, you, you, like, yeah, exact- the, so the idea is, like, okay, uh, let's just say I'm an e- I'm an evil country and I d- I program these robot dogs. And the robot dogs, or spiders are more sinister, robot spiders raise their fucking razor claws. They're programmed to only kill women and children. So-

    17. JR

      Sh- (shudders)

    18. DT

      ... I release them into a city. They leave everyone alone except babies, kids, and women. Uh, uh, on a planetary level, people will be like, "We have to evaporate that country." Like, "They're the most evil country. That's horrible." Now, if I take drones and drop them on buildings and they randomly (laughs) blow up women and children in ways that are-

    19. JR

      Predominantly.

    20. DT

      ... predominantly in ways that are maybe even worse than my fucking razor spiders. My razor spiders, they go for the jugular, puncture jugular, onto the next jugular vein. The bombs, they maim, they, uh, blind, they cause permanent brain damage, and somehow that is looked at as, "Yeah, it's fucking war, dude." That's what it looks like. (laughs)

    21. JR

      S- it's so crazy that because it's existed for the longest time, we just accept it, that it's always gonna take place. And then we also, if like you had to gamble, if you had to gamble whether or not war would be here in 10 years, you go like, "A 100% it's gonna be here."

    22. DT

      Well, y- well, this is the, this is-

    23. JR

      If, unless AI takes over.

    24. DT

      Well, I mean, if AI takes over, it'll just be more efficient war.

    25. JR

      I don't know if it will, dude, if, if it communicates in a different way. Like, what if AI makes rational decisions that can only be reached? Like, if, if, if you, if you were looking outside of human emotions and cultures and all-

    26. DT

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... the shit, and, and cultural differences that we have with each other, if AI bypassed all of that and just looked at the problem as, you know, you have resources, you have allocation of those resources, people profiting off those resources-

    28. DT

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... and then people who are in need that be- are being taken advantage of to acquire those resources, and that's your whole game. And so if this is the human race's whole game, you're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics. (laughs)

    30. DT

      (laughs) Yeah.

  6. 15:46 – 19:03

    Weaponized robotics: gun-dogs, ‘cute’ killer machines, and horror-comedy escalation

    1. DT

      But before we get to utopian AI, we have to go through what is ha- uh, uh, did you see those new, the, the, the Chinese military s- put machine guns on those fucking robot dogs? Have you seen that?

    2. JR

      (laughs) I did.

    3. DT

      They fucking did it.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. DT

      They, and we all knew-

    6. JR

      Of course.

    7. DT

      ... we, we knew.

    8. JR

      But you knew that was gonna happen.

    9. DT

      And did you see the fucking cute DARPA dog? Have you seen that yet?

    10. JR

      No.

    11. DT

      Dude. So like, I th- it's DARPA, right? They're the ones who make the dogs. They kick the robots.

    12. JR

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

    13. DT

      They make videos of like, fucking poking these things. Well, so the dogs are sinister. Everyone knows that. They look creepy. So DARPA is like, "You know, let's make a cute one of these things." So they made like a cute amusement park-

    14. JR

      Oh, I gotta see this. (laughs)

    15. DT

      ... like Disneyland-style fucking robot dog.

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DT

      And it looks creepier!

    18. JR

      Oh, it's gonna shoot you.

    19. DT

      It's creep- it's-

    20. JR

      Ugh.

    21. DT

      No, 'cause this is, this is what I've been thinking about. We picture the Terminator as the machine of death, but why? What is, like, more dangerous than an adorable kid? What if I can make an, an android toddler, looks exactly like a toddler, send that toddler out in the battlefield? Everyone's gonna stop firing. "Why is there a fucking kid out here?" Right?

    22. JR

      Right? And the kid's killing everybody.

    23. DT

      And they, and just they're like, "Go get that kid!" (laughs) And he just fucking punches right through your heart. (laughs)

    24. JR

      (laughs) Also small target, hard to shoot.

    25. DT

      Hard to shoot. It can burrow into the ground.

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. DT

      It's a fucking burrowing toddler!

    28. JR

      Corkscrews.

    29. DT

      What the fu- (laughs)

    30. JR

      Corkscrews into the ground.

  7. 19:03 – 24:01

    Masks, beards, furries, and the surprisingly hard physics of costumes

    1. JR

      I p- I poured a whole cup of coffee. Then I'm like, "Oh, yeah." (laughs)

    2. DT

      I, I'm li- I'm fine taking off the helmet of these fucking things.

    3. JR

      We can hang in there a little longer.

    4. DT

      Just so you know, it's like my beard is, if I'm talking weird, it's because, like, there's fucking pubic hair-

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. DT

      ... shoving... It's like, it's like I'm eating like hippie bush right now.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DT

      (laughs) Just fucking deep in my lips. Oh, my god.

    9. JR

      We should, probably should've tried these on before we did a show.

    10. DT

      Shave your pubes, dudes. This is not fair.

    11. JR

      You look good with a beard, though. You look like a wizard.

    12. DT

      Thank you, man. Well, it's too big.

    13. JR

      It's a good look.

    14. DT

      I gotta get it trimmed.

    15. JR

      No, no, no, no.

    16. DT

      I need a summer cut.

    17. JR

      You look good. Oh, a summer cut?

    18. DT

      Yeah. I, yeah, 'cause the fucking, you know... Yeah, the-

    19. JR

      It gets hot here.

    20. DT

      My friend's kid the other day goes, "Your beard stinks." And I'm like-

    21. JR

      (sniffs)

    22. DT

      I'm like, "Really? Like it actually stinks?" And he goes, "Well, when you, when you're talking a lot, it stinks." I'm like, "That's my breath."

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DT

      (laughs) It's not my beard.

    25. JR

      You have to spray your beard with breath spray. Why don't you do that? Just spray your beard and comb it out with fucking Scope. (laughs)

    26. DT

      They're dis- it's disgusting, dude. It really is. Like, imagine if like, your, your mouth was in your head. If, like, you know what I mean? Like-

    27. JR

      Oh, people like get food in them all the time.

    28. DT

      All the fucking time. All the time.

    29. JR

      Oh, if somebody's eating barbecue, like your beard is fucked.

    30. DT

      Dude, I'm doing a v- I'm trying to do a video podcast now, and what will happen is I will g- I will like, you know, I'll be yapping into the camera for like 20 minutes, go back and look at the footage, and there's just like a, a fucking zen pouch.

  8. 24:01 – 28:24

    Algorithmic manipulation: curated comment sections, rage engagement, and false consensus

    1. JR

      Ooh.

    2. DT

      ... you know, so you fully absorb TikTok's manipulation. Which by the way, I was skeptical about that, uh, until we talked about this. I saw that fucking video showing the comments in TikTok are different.

    3. JR

      It e- exact... I think it's Instagram.

    4. DT

      It's, the one I saw was TikTok, so...

    5. JR

      Oh, okay. The one I... Was it on TikTok? 'Cause the one I saw was Instagram.

    6. DT

      I don't know.

    7. JR

      And then, it was this lady that was doing it with her boyfriend-

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... and they were both looking at the same thing but they had different comments.

    10. DT

      Yes.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. DT

      That's a mind-fuck.

    13. JR

      Her comments were m- mocking the man, and the comments on his side-

    14. DT

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... was mocking the woman.

    16. DT

      Yes.

    17. JR

      Right?

    18. DT

      Yes. So-

    19. JR

      Am I getting that right?

    20. DT

      You got it right. And so whenever I'm looking at comments, I make the idiot mistake of thinking, "This represents some consensus." That, you know?

    21. JR

      Oh.

    22. DT

      But actually, no, you're just looking at the co- the co- the algorithm serving the comments and the content. That is so fucked up, dude.

    23. JR

      That's so different-

    24. DT

      Dude, tha-

    25. JR

      ... because that changes... The, the comments are supposed to be a conversation about the thing. So if you're curating the conversation in an unnatural way-

    26. DT

      Yes.

    27. JR

      ... like, that's very different than showing me what I wanna see.

    28. DT

      Yes.

    29. JR

      Because now you're changing the dynamics of how things are discussed.

    30. DT

      Yes, sir. That's the fucking evil right there. That's the evil.

  9. 28:24 – 33:20

    Movies as cultural barometers: ‘Civil War’ backlash, reviews, and the limits of consensus

    1. DT

      'Cause, like, I've been drawing that idea from comment sections. Like, "Oh, I guess this is what people think." Or like Rotten Tomatoes. Dude, I just saw Civil War, all right? Have you seen it?

    2. JR

      No.

    3. DT

      Don't. Now... (laughs)

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. DT

      Apologies. I mean this, man, 'cause anyone who makes anything, that's insane. If you made a movie, it's fucking incredible. But dude, I was so excited about that fucking movie. It's like, "Whoa, predictive programming, baby. They're getting us ready for a civil fucking war. Here we go." It is... You can't connect to any of the fucking characters. You don't... You barely understand who the protagonist is. It's the dumbest mission of all time that they're on. There's, there's no, no... There's, the, and the soundtrack is so mysteriously disconnected from what's happening. So there's all these things that just ma- make no... It's like, if, like, if they sent me the footage and they were like, "Duncan, can you edit this movie?" I would've made Civil War. Like, what's happening? (laughs)

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. DT

      I'd be like, "Let- let's put some fucking hardcore, weird, like, synth music. We'll put the Silver Apples in there, really intense synth music," 'cause I love synth music. And you're watching it like, "Wh- is this a music video for synth music?"... fucking seeing here, dude. So, I'm- I'm-

    8. JR

      Now I wanna see it.

    9. DT

      Yo, it's- it's worth seeing it just because it's like, you know, especially if you're into, like, writing screenplays, it's good to watch movies like that and be like, "Why didn't... Why isn't this working?" Like, "What's wrong here?" But dude, I went to Rotten Tomatoes gleefully, like, "Ugh, I can't r- wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit."

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. DT

      81%, people are like, "This is a good warning to all of us." It's like-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DT

      ... shut the fuck up!

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. DT

      (Laughs) Up! A warning? What are you talking about? It's a- it's a fucking warning not to fucking do the $20 still in theaters thing on Amazon. That's the fucking warning.

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DT

      Don't- don't do that. Wait.

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. DT

      Dude it- it sucks! It sucks. None of it makes sense. The stereotypical fucking characters in it, the way they're trying to, like, box people in, to this, like, they're all evil. The- these people all... What kind of American are you?

    20. JR

      Oh, God.

    21. DT

      North American? South American? You're from Hong Kong? Bam! Bam! Bam! Stop it! Just shut the fuck up. Like, no one's like that. Like, really. Like, I'm not... Obviously, people are, like, vile racists, but dude, come on, this murder... This... I hate this assessment of humanity. I ha- because basically what they're saying is, "Minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid, we're just gonna kill each other 'cause we're awful, brutal things that must be shepherded by old geriatric men who can't remember their fucking name." You know what... Like, what are we doing? Like, we'll be fine. We're fine. We'll be okay. People are mostly nice. And what... And what's that thing you always say? I love it. Unmet needs?

    22. JR

      Yeah. What- how... What is the actual quote again, Jamie? "All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs." But it's a much more profound quote, the full quote. I forget who wrote it too. It's really... I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time. It's a great quote 'cause it's... That is what, like... I mean, there's criticism that's accurate, like something wasn't good.

    23. DT

      Sure.

    24. JR

      "Every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need."

    25. DT

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Marshall Rosenberg.

    27. DT

      Yeah, yeah.

    28. JR

      Great fucking quote.

    29. DT

      Yeah. So, it's like, yeah, there are people who are fucking assholes, who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways, but they're not doing that 'cause they're evil, I don't think. They're doing that because, like, they- they've learned this way of being that sucks. Now, I'm not saying throw out the judicial system. There shouldn't be, uh, uh, you know, jails or anything like that. I'm just saying this notion of humanity, minus an authoritarian, generally fucking patriarchal, fucking, like, whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is. It's a top-down fucking ruling system. Without the king, we will just fall on each other. "Give me your fucking car, motherfucker!" Some of us will do that, but guess what? They won't last that long because, like, in- in a collectivized society, I just feel like- like, we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now, and everything will balance out.

  10. 33:20 – 43:00

    Guns, Haiti, and feral hogs: when law collapses and nature gets violent

    1. JR

      If we're armed. The problem is if you're not armed and armed thugs take over towns and you can't do anything to stop them and you're in a small group of people that are unarmed and they're- they're pushed into certain situations. If you- if you have a collapse of law and order, it's not as simple as, "We'll take care of it." The- the real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything.

    2. DT

      This is true.

    3. JR

      Yeah. And that's- that's a reality of humanity in 2024, like, in certain parts of the world. Like, did you hear about hap- what happened in Haiti-

    4. DT

      Oh, dude.

    5. JR

      ... with that minister?

    6. DT

      Dude.

    7. JR

      And his family? Yeah.

    8. DT

      Dude. Yeah, and the guy, that- that warlord in Haiti.

    9. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    10. DT

      I love watching interviews with that guy.

    11. JR

      What is his name again?

    12. DT

      He's got a cool name.

    13. JR

      Crazy name.

    14. DT

      It's like sandwich or it's like... (laughs) I can't remember.

    15. Barbecue or something?

    16. JR

      Barbecue. That's right.

    17. DT

      Barbecue.

    18. JR

      Sandwich! (laughs)

    19. DT

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      Sandwich! And there was, uh... There's this one video, but it's not really... It's not really of him. Someone said it was of him, but I guess it's not, I think. And it's a guy, uh, eating a guy, so it's one of these rebels that has this dude-

    21. DT

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      ... killed roasting over a fire and takes a piece off his leg and eats it.

    23. DT

      That's a- that's a classic move. That's, like, a classic move. You get their energy by eating them. And look, I'm not saying that- that- that there isn't contingents of, like, super violent people that you are gonna have to be able to defend yourself from. And by the way, what's really perplexing to me about the hardcore anti-gun people is they're not really anti-gun. They want cops and the National Guard to have guns. They just don't want people that... Like, people who live in houses to have guns. So they're, like, y- they're pro-gun, but they want guns in the hands of, like-

    24. JR

      They're pro authoritarian, violent power.

    25. DT

      We-

    26. JR

      Yeah, that's it. The- the authoritarians-

    27. DT

      Right.

    28. JR

      ... have power. Regular people don't have power.

    29. DT

      Right.

    30. JR

      So you have to rely on authori- the- the authoritarians, you have to rely on them to take care of your crime issues.

  11. 43:00 – 56:23

    Texas culture and comedy community: health, toughness, and cannon-blasting neighbors

    1. DT

      Dude, Texas... Like, my wife and I talk about this all the time. We're never leaving. We-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DT

      We're like, this is home. We love it so much, man.

    4. JR

      It's what America aspires to be.

    5. DT

      Dude, it is re- And, like, people are so mad at us, and people bitch about it and make f- But it's like, man, I love it here so much, and I like the heat. And I... And, and like, weirdly, all of us are like... We're, like, getting healthy, man. Like, e- like, it's this cr- I've... In all the years at The Comedy Store, lots of changes happen among the comics. Like the time... I hope I can talk about this. I think I can. He talks about it. Like, remember... Like, he does talk about it. Bobby Lee talks about it publicly. Like the time Bobby Lee was, like, on pills. And s-

    6. JR

      Oh, yeah. He talks about that.

    7. DT

      So he would bring all of these pills to The Comedy Store, and we all knew it. And so, he was, like, a pharmacist, so like, like-

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. DT

      Joey, Joey watching Joey-

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. DT

      ... just, like, grab a handful of just unknown Mexican fucking pharmaceuticals.

    12. JR

      This is pre-fentanyl, dawg.

    13. DT

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Pre-fentanyl.

    15. DT

      Yeah, yeah.

    16. JR

      You could do those things back then.

    17. DT

      Dude, and, and, and so, that, that was... I would call that a dark phase in The Comedy Store, because all of us were on Bobby Lee's shi- fucking Mexican Vicodin.

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. DT

      It was a bad phase. So, so... But I don't think I've ever seen a phase where, like, at a comedy club, the comics are getting healthier. You know, that's a crazy thing to watch. And I, I think, you know, it's not just us hanging out. When I first came to Texas... And I'm not saying everyone's here is healthy or any kind of bullshit like that. But you look around, like, these people are fucking healthy. Like, there's a lot of healthy, like, you know what I mean? Like, like, tough fucking people. And I just-

    20. JR

      A lot of people who exercise, yeah.

    21. DT

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      They just go to the lake, watch people run around the lake.

    23. DT

      Dude, in the, like... In the middle of a heatwave, before I was exercising, one of the most, like, humiliating things, was just to be driving down the street and you look over, and there's someone my age, it's 104 degrees, and they're fucking jogging. And you know what I mean? Like, what's your excuse again?

    24. JR

      Uh, uh, uh.

    25. DT

      Oh, you're ti- are you sleepy? It's a little too fucking hot? 'Cause there's a fucking 55-year-old, there's a 55-year-old just galloping down the burning fucking, uh, sidewalk.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DT

      So, yeah, dude, this place is like-

    28. JR

      Sidewalk running is a different kind of hot too.

    29. DT

      Yes.

    30. JR

      'Cause you're getting that heat radiating off of the concrete into your face.

  12. 56:23 – 1:49:25

    Psychedelics, Jesus, Satan, and the battle between fear and love

    1. JR

      This is the world we're living in. Unless, you take mushrooms. We gotta get mushrooms legal for the entire country. The whole country.

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      And just force them down everybody's throat.

    4. DT

      Dude-

    5. JR

      Force people to do mushrooms. Do it for everyone else.

    6. DT

      That's our robots. That's our-

    7. JR

      Do it for everyone else.

    8. DT

      Our robot fucking, like-

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. DT

      ... like, like, like a bird. It just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and sprays psilocybin in there.

    11. JR

      Can you imagine if AI forced us all to take psilocybin?

    12. DT

      Oh, what a horrible day that would be.

    13. JR

      Could you imagine if, like, that was AI solution? AI was like, "Human beings actually, uh, they're developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship that they had-"

    14. DT

      Yes.

    15. JR

      "... with cubensis mushrooms."

    16. DT

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      "And this is the facts, and this is how we know, and this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly and, and it aligns with-"

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      "... with Terence McKenna's theories about-"

    20. DT

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      "... how the, the grasslands receded."

    22. DT

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      You know? And-

    24. DT

      It's an upgrade.

    25. JR

      Or the, the, the rainforests receded into grasslands and people started eating cow shit bugs and-

    26. DT

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... cow shit mushrooms, and then they started thinking about things different.

    28. DT

      Oh my God, man.

    29. JR

      Imagine if the AI tells us that's how, what... So you just need to keep going, is what the AI would say.

    30. DT

      Yeah.

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