Joe Rogan Experience #2157 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   4. DTDuncan Trussell0:10

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      I- I think it's important to send a message to AI that we're willing to comply.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:16

      E- exactly.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      We wanna integrate.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:18

      Integrate, assimilate.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Yeah, I'm not interested in being unique. I just wanna survive.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:22

       Are you gonna fight evolution?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       No.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell0:24

       Are you really gonna fight the blending mechanism of planet-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Ah, ah-

   14. DTDuncan Trussell0:27

       ... Earth?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... dude, the inevitable pull of the universe towards an artificial creation-

   16. DTDuncan Trussell0:32

       Absolutely.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... an intelligent, artificial creation that's superior to us, I'm in.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell0:36

       Exact- it's like, it's like resisting AI is like going to Vegas and not gambling or going to strip clubs, you know? It's like, just-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       I-

   20. DTDuncan Trussell0:43

       ... fucking do it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... think we are super lucky to be the last people.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell0:48

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       We're super lucky.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell0:49

       Super lucky.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       We got to see what life was like with, like, leaded gasoline and no cellphones. (laughs)

   26. DTDuncan Trussell0:55

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       And everyone's phone was connected to a cord on the wall. We got to go through answering machines. I mean, what a ride. If the simulation theory is real, you and I have been in a crazy timeline.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:07

       Yeah, cra- the game we picked is real (laughs) fucking weird.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Bro, if you get in the timeline of, like, 1950-

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:15

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      all of that and just looked at the problem as, you know, you have resources, you have allocation of those resources, people profiting off those resources-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell15:10

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      ... and then people who are in need that be- are being taken advantage of to acquire those resources, and that's your whole game. And so if this is the human race's whole game, you're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics. (laughs)

   4. DTDuncan Trussell15:27

      (laughs) Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      I mean, this is, this is what you're doing. This is what you're agreeing to.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell15:30

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      This whole thing is crazy.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell15:33

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      And it would probably restructure where, uh, and how things were acquired and who gets those things that are acquired from the ground.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell15:42

       W- yeah. Do I mean, this is... Okay, so this would be utopian AI.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       Yeah.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell15:46

       But before we get to utopian AI, we have to go through what is ha- uh, uh, did you see those new, the, the, the Chinese military s- put machine guns on those fucking robot dogs? Have you seen that?

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       (laughs) I did.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell16:00

       They fucking did it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Yeah.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell16:01

       They, and we all knew-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Of course.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell16:02

       ... we, we knew.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       But you knew that was gonna happen.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell16:04

       And did you see the fucking cute DARPA dog? Have you seen that yet?

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       No.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell16:09

       Dude. So like, I th- it's DARPA, right? They're the ones who make the dogs. They kick the robots.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell16:14

       They make videos of like, fucking poking these things. Well, so the dogs are sinister. Everyone knows that. They look creepy. So DARPA is like, "You know, let's make a cute one of these things." So they made like a cute amusement park-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Oh, I gotta see this. (laughs)

   26. DTDuncan Trussell16:29

       ... like Disneyland-style fucking robot dog.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       (laughs)

   28. DTDuncan Trussell16:32

       And it looks creepier!

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Oh, it's gonna shoot you.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell16:35

       It's creep- it's-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell30:00

      it's good to watch movies like that and be like, "Why didn't... Why isn't this working?" Like, "What's wrong here?" But dude, I went to Rotten Tomatoes gleefully, like, "Ugh, I can't r- wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit."

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      (laughs)

   3. DTDuncan Trussell30:13

      81%, people are like, "This is a good warning to all of us." It's like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell30:18

      ... shut the fuck up!

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:21

      (laughs)

   7. DTDuncan Trussell30:23

      (Laughs) Up! A warning? What are you talking about? It's a- it's a fucking warning not to fucking do the $20 still in theaters thing on Amazon. That's the fucking warning.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:36

      (laughs)

   9. DTDuncan Trussell30:36

      Don't- don't do that. Wait.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell30:42

       Dude it- it sucks! It sucks. None of it makes sense. The stereotypical fucking characters in it, the way they're trying to, like, box people in, to this, like, they're all evil. The- these people all... What kind of American are you?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Oh, God.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell30:58

       North American? South American? You're from Hong Kong? Bam! Bam! Bam! Stop it! Just shut the fuck up. Like, no one's like that. Like, really. Like, I'm not... Obviously, people are, like, vile racists, but dude, come on, this murder... This... I hate this assessment of humanity. I ha- because basically what they're saying is, "Minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid, we're just gonna kill each other 'cause we're awful, brutal things that must be shepherded by old geriatric men who can't remember their fucking name." You know what... Like, what are we doing? Like, we'll be fine. We're fine. We'll be okay. People are mostly nice. And what... And what's that thing you always say? I love it. Unmet needs?

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       Yeah. What- how... What is the actual quote again, Jamie? "All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs." But it's a much more profound quote, the full quote. I forget who wrote it too. It's really... I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time. It's a great quote 'cause it's... That is what, like... I mean, there's criticism that's accurate, like something wasn't good.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell32:09

       Sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       "Every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need."

   17. DTDuncan Trussell32:15

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       Marshall Rosenberg.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell32:16

       Yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       Great fucking quote.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell32:19

       Yeah. So, it's like, yeah, there are people who are fucking assholes, who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways, but they're not doing that 'cause they're evil, I don't think. They're doing that because, like, they- they've learned this way of being that sucks. Now, I'm not saying throw out the judicial system. There shouldn't be, uh, uh, you know, jails or anything like that. I'm just saying this notion of humanity, minus an authoritarian, generally fucking patriarchal, fucking, like, whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is. It's a top-down fucking ruling system. Without the king, we will just fall on each other. "Give me your fucking car, motherfucker!" Some of us will do that, but guess what? They won't last that long because, like, in- in a collectivized society, I just feel like- like, we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now, and everything will balance out.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:20

       If we're armed. The problem is if you're not armed and armed thugs take over towns and you can't do anything to stop them and you're in a small group of people that are unarmed and they're- they're pushed into certain situations. If you- if you have a collapse of law and order, it's not as simple as, "We'll take care of it." The- the real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell33:43

       This is true.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       Yeah. And that's- that's a reality of humanity in 2024, like, in certain parts of the world. Like, did you hear about hap- what happened in Haiti-

   25. DTDuncan Trussell33:52

       Oh, dude.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:53

       ... with that minister?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell33:54

       Dude.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:54

       And his family? Yeah.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell33:55

       Dude. Yeah, and the guy, that- that warlord in Haiti.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:58

       Oh, yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Uh, uh, uh. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell45:00

      it's 104 degrees, and they're fucking jogging. And you know what I mean? Like, what's your excuse again?

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Uh, uh, uh.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell45:06

      Oh, you're ti- are you sleepy? It's a little too fucking hot? 'Cause there's a fucking 55-year-old, there's a 55-year-old just galloping down the burning fucking, uh, sidewalk.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell45:17

      So, yeah, dude, this place is like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      Sidewalk running is a different kind of hot too.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell45:21

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      'Cause you're getting that heat radiating off of the concrete into your face.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell45:25

      You know Lex Fridman does that shit?

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       Oh yeah, he's a psycho.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell45:28

       He fucking runs. Like, when I did his podcast, he's like, "Uh, I'm going jogging." I'm like, "What are you talking about?" Like, I... This was in my, like, early Texas phase. So I was already like... I walked from my car to his place, and was already like, "Jesus fucking Christ."

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       (laughs)

   13. DTDuncan Trussell45:43

       Walking. And he's like, "Yeah, I'm gonna go jog 10 miles." I'm like, "What the fuck are you, man?"

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       In this heat?

   15. DTDuncan Trussell45:52

       Yeah, dude.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       Yeah.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell45:53

       It's h- Like, so I think it's important to be around, like... I think that's another qu- aspect of Texas that gets left out, is like, there is this, there is this real, like, strength or healthy thing here that is contagious. Whereas like when you're in p- a place where everyone's all fucking sick and frail and weak and, like, you know what I mean? Scared-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       Right.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell46:13

       ... of disease, like trembling in their fucking boots.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Hmm.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell46:17

       That's contagious too.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       It is.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell46:19

       Jumps into you, man.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       It 100% does. And I always wonder, like, how much of, you know, how much of an area has the memory of all the things that have happened in that area in it?

   25. DTDuncan Trussell46:31

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       And like, as, whereas Texas was the last state to enter into the Union, they've always been like, "Hang the fuck back, hold on." You know, we, we had to g- get through the Comanche to establish this fucking place.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell46:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       Like, "Settle down." Their... You know, Texas Rangers had to go out there and cold camp, and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses that were just fucking up the Americans. Like, they couldn't pass. They couldn't pass. They couldn't get through. This was the spot where it was like, this place was fucked, and until they conquered it, it stayed fucked. And then they did, and now it's... The whole place has a memory of that.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell47:08

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       There's a, there's a, there's a thing about the attitude of this place.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Mm. …

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:00

      earthling. What the fuck was I think- this is- I've, I was conditioned."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Mm.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:04

      "This is brainwashing. I got brainwashed by culture. And, and, and I, it's over guys. No more of this shit. I retire. I'm moving to fucking Hawaii." Whatever. But like, the, or it goes the other way.... which is like, "Oh, God wants me to fire nuclear missiles."

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:24

      (laughs) You know what I mean? You know, we don't know. Roll the dice.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      Right.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:29

      Roll the dice. So, yeah, but I- I do think if, if we're looking at, like, massive, like, instantaneous shifts in, in planetary consciousness, psychedelics definitely one of the ways. Like, have you heard of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

      No, but it do- I don't like the way it sounds.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:49

      I think you'd like them.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       (laughs) Just the name. It's like that sounds like the bad people in some really corny movie.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:57

       It does.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:59

       We are the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       Speaking of which, I saw a really good movie last night.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:03

       What?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Um, what it is ... I think it's called Late Night with the Devil. It's about, uh, it's a 2024 movie about-

   17. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:12

       Oh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       ... a talk show host in 1977 that has this girl come on the show. And it's, like, really done, like, like it looks like you're in 1977.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:20

       So good.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       And, uh, the girl's possessed and it, like, it builds, man.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:25

       Dude, it's so fucking good.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Have you seen this?

   23. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:27

       Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       Oh, you loved it, right?

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:29

       Dude, I loved it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

       It's great.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:30

       It's so good.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       Late Night with the Devil, official. It ju- I mean, it j- it, I think it just came out a couple of months ago, must've just went straight to being streamed, but it's fucking good, man.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:40

       And that's good casting, dude. All of it, like that, the host is so much like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:19:32

   As an inclination it's…

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:00

      I think that's the devil. That's why it's there. It's, it, it might, it might be real. I think as a term of convenience it's great. But it's like, holy shit, man, like...

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:09

      As an inclination it's real. Right?

   3. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:12

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:12

      Like whether or not you murder a baby because the devil made you do it or because some other force that is just like the devil that just happens to be a part of human beings-

   5. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:24

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:25

      ... that in violent rages they can do horrific things. And then on top of that also intentionally evil, just like chimpanzees.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:33

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:33

      I mean, chimpanzees do it. Do we think the devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it? Or do we think that this is some bygone, some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers-

   9. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:47

      Dude-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:47

       ... or allow people to become assassins?

   11. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:50

       I think it's a semantics argument.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       Hm.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:52

       I think it's like, it's an identification of a possibility in a human life. There is a possibility in a human life to make a series of shitty decisions, and those shitty decisions lead you into darker and darker and darker experiences of reality. And the darker your experience of reality, the more likely you are to make a shitty decision. Because, like, you've gotten yourself into fucking debt, you went to wizard school, you've got-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:14

       (laughs)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:14

       ... you, you're, you, you, you study fucking rainbow magic, it doesn't seem to be real, no one's coming to your clinic. Now you're like, uh, you know, $800,000 in fucking debt, and now what are you gonna fucking do? Like you've got to figure out a way to make money, so how are you gonna make the fucking money? Well, you find some scam or some shit, right? And then the next thing you know, now you're like lying to people. And now that you're lying to people, you have to keep fucking lying to people, and then you start lying to yourself. And then you get lost in a maze of self-deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness, until the next thing you know you're in fucking jail or you're dead, you're killing somebody. And so, so like, uh, you call it whatever you want to fucking call it, but this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real. And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, is at any given moment in that hell state you have gotten yourself into, there is a way to get the fuck out. You don't have to be in hell. It's like what C.S. Lewis says, "The gates of hell are locked from the inside."

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:17:17

       Ooh.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:17

       There's a fucking way out.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:17:19

       Oh my God, what a good quote.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:20

       It's so good, dude.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:17:22

       That is such a good quote.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:22

       It's so good. It's so good.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17:25

       That's such a good one.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:26

       And that's, you know, that's, that's why I love Jesus. That's why I love the message of Christianity.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:17:30

       Why don't you look into Jesus.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:32

       Praise God.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:17:32

       He's got the answers.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:34

       I lo-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:17:34

       You've heard that song, right?

   29. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:35

       Yeah. Dude, are you, I'm-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:17:36

       That song is fucking great.

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