Joe Rogan Experience #2157 - Duncan Trussell

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Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

Duncan Trussell 0:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:12 I- I think it's important to send a message to AI that we're willing to comply.

Duncan Trussell 0:16 E- exactly.

Joe Rogan 0:17 We wanna integrate.

Duncan Trussell 0:18 Integrate, assimilate.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Yeah, I'm not interested in being unique. I just wanna survive.

Duncan Trussell 0:22 Are you gonna fight evolution?

Joe Rogan 0:24 No.

Duncan Trussell 0:24 Are you really gonna fight the blending mechanism of planet-

Joe Rogan 0:27 Ah, ah-

Duncan Trussell 0:27 ... Earth?

Joe Rogan 0:27 ... dude, the inevitable pull of the universe towards an artificial creation-

Duncan Trussell 0:32 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 0:32 ... an intelligent, artificial creation that's superior to us, I'm in.

Duncan Trussell 0:36 Exact- it's like, it's like resisting AI is like going to Vegas and not gambling or going to strip clubs, you know? It's like, just-

Joe Rogan 0:43 I-

Duncan Trussell 0:43 ... fucking do it.

Joe Rogan 0:44 ... think we are super lucky to be the last people.

Duncan Trussell 0:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:48 We're super lucky.

Duncan Trussell 0:49 Super lucky.

Joe Rogan 0:49 We got to see what life was like with, like, leaded gasoline and no cellphones. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 0:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:55 And everyone's phone was connected to a cord on the wall. We got to go through answering machines. I mean, what a ride. If the simulation theory is real, you and I have been in a crazy timeline.

Duncan Trussell 1:07 Yeah, cra- the game we picked is real (laughs) fucking weird.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Bro, if you get in the timeline of, like, 1950-

Duncan Trussell 1:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16 ... to 1980, shit doesn't change that much.

Duncan Trussell 1:19 No.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Not that much.

Duncan Trussell 1:21 No.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Nothing crazy.

Duncan Trussell 1:23 No, no.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Just a little b- bit of progress, but nothing. I- it's like re- relatively speaking, if like, back then, we thought it was a lot.

Duncan Trussell 1:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32 We used to look at the '50s like, "Look at those fucking dorks."

Duncan Trussell 1:35 Yeah, dude, I mean, what, what I like is that the way it works, or it seems like it works is the planet gives you some impression, you know, things are gonna stay this way. Like the, like Les Rodrias, there wa- there was people hanging out, and they're like, "It's always gonna be like this." And then suddenly, something flies through the Earth's atmosphere-

Joe Rogan 1:56 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:56 ... and it's all gone, like that-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:58 ... in a second.

Joe Rogan 1:59 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:59 Just gone. So that's the, that's, uh, one of the fascinating things is no matter what period you live in, the sun can just dis- just burp an extra bit of plasma, and it's over.

Joe Rogan 2:12 And that's a wrap. Yeah, that's a wrap for the whole planet. That happens all over the universe.

Duncan Trussell 2:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Like, there's always something going on, like, there's supernovas and volcanoes, and you know, that was the big, uh, part of the, the, the theory of the Anunnaki was that volcanoes had ruined their atmosphere.

Duncan Trussell 2:29 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:30 And so they needed to s- to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere to preserve, preserve their planet.

Duncan Trussell 2:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Their ecosystem was getting fucked up. That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories.

Duncan Trussell 2:44 Mine too.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Of all the wacky, like, the evolution of man tied to the, the reason why gold is valuable to people that are, you know, basically have swords.

Duncan Trussell 2:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:56 You know, like, what, a sword is made out of iron.

Duncan Trussell 2:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Like, that's really valuable. You can kill somebody with it.

Duncan Trussell 3:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:02 And you can't do shit with gold.

Duncan Trussell 3:03 No.

Joe Rogan 3:04 But it's worth more than anything.

Duncan Trussell 3:05 Yeah, yeah, no, that is a real suspicious thing. And, you know, all-

Joe Rogan 3:09 Suspicious.

Duncan Trussell 3:10 But do you ever, like, you know, sometimes I'll, like, look at my wedding ring, the gold-

Joe Rogan 3:15 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 3:15 ... and I'll be like, "Ah, it's beautiful." That gold, though, there is something in it that's, like, s- really nice.

Joe Rogan 3:20 You know, I don't have anything that's gold, not one thing.

Duncan Trussell 3:23 Why?

Joe Rogan 3:24 I don't like it.

Duncan Trussell 3:25 What?

Joe Rogan 3:26 I don't like it.

Duncan Trussell 3:26 You don't like gold?

Joe Rogan 3:27 Nope, never liked it.

Duncan Trussell 3:29 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 3:29 I don't like the way it looks. I don't like what it s- m- stands for. I don't like gold.

Duncan Trussell 3:34 You don't like what it stands for?

Joe Rogan 3:35 Yeah, yeah, it's like it's the weirdest version of this is money.

Duncan Trussell 3:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:40 To me, this yellow metal that's more impressive than other metals? Like, what are you talking about? Like, I'm not playing into that. It's too stupid. It's too stupid for me. I don't like it.

Duncan Trussell 3:50 Oh my God, man. I watch the fucking mining shows. Like-

Joe Rogan 3:53 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 3:55 (laughs) How can you not?

Joe Rogan 3:55 Well, I watch the mining shows too. They're cool. It's cool watching people find it.

Duncan Trussell 3:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:00 I just don't want any of it. You know what I'm saying?

Duncan Trussell 4:02 Dude, I get gold fever. I watch those. When I was-

Joe Rogan 4:05 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 4:06 I do. When I was in North Carolina, I was watching one of those shows, and I was, like, uh, on Amazon looking at panning equipment. I'm like, "Maybe I'll go to a creek."

Joe Rogan 4:15 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 4:17 Pan for gold.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Oh my God, I could see you out there at a river.

Duncan Trussell 4:21 I've got the, I've got the beard for it, dude.

Joe Rogan 4:23 Fucking great.

Duncan Trussell 4:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:24 Shuffling through. Did you ever see that movie Sisu?

Duncan Trussell 4:27 No.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Oh, it's one of my favorite movies, man. It's basically, like, what, was it made in Norway? Who made that? Sam... Finland, I think. Finland? Um, it's basically a World War II John Wick, and it's about a guy-

Duncan Trussell 4:42 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:42 ... who finds gold. And, uh, he's, he's gonna... he was a, um, just a killer in the army, and he's getting out of the game. And, uh, he kills, like, hundreds of Nazis.

Duncan Trussell 4:54 (laughs) That, that looks awesome.

Joe Rogan 4:55 And it's fucking great. And it's Nazis, so you root for him.

Duncan Trussell 4:59 You don't, yeah, you don't care.

Joe Rogan 4:59 And you're like, "Yeah, these are Nazis." It's, like, the most cartoonish, evil Nazis.

Duncan Trussell 5:04 Oh, that looks incredible.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Oh, dude, it's a fucking great movie. It's a great movie. And very little dialogue.

Duncan Trussell 5:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Very little.

Duncan Trussell 5:11 And they threw in the cute dog.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Oh yeah, man, of course. You gotta have a dog. John Wick had a dog. John Wick had a cute little puppy. Remember?

Duncan Trussell 5:18 Dude, you know what's crazy? I- i- like, do you ever, do you follow the stuff, like, what they're talking about with asteroid mining?

5:25 Yes. That shit is crazy that- Crazy. ... crazy that that's our, that's, you know... Uh, probably a couple of generations, people are gonna be, like- It won't be that long. Dude, you know what it's gonna be? It's gonna be, why send biological humans- Pe- ... when you can have AI do it? Yeah. And you'll have AI robots that are attached to rocket ships. They'll shoot 'em into these asteroids- (laughs) And they'll bring back insane amounts of all kinds of things, titanium, uh, uh, you know. They'll find diamonds in space. They'll find everything. Holy fucking shit, man. And it's not gonna look like humanoids. It'll be like spider, skittering gold spiders- (laughs) ... just fucking drilling their proboscis- Yeah. ... into fucking- (laughs) And then they're gonna want more money. They're gonna form a union, 'cause they're, they're intelligent. Well, yeah, exactly. They're gonna be like, "Hey, we're getting fucked here, guys. We're doing all the hard work." Yeah. "This asshole's got a fucking 800-foot yacht." Yeah. "This is bullshit." Yeah. Be- "Guys-" Yeah, and- "Wake up." And then the, then whoever's running them will be like, "Oh, right, you guys are getting fucked? You wanna unionize?" Beep. Unions... What were we talking about? (laughs) Unions- Unions are very weird, right? Just 'cause like, I've supported them- Yeah. ... 'cause I know that big businesses fuck over their workers. Yeah. And if you allow them to, if you don't have laws about, like, how much you can pay them, and a living wage, and- Yeah. ... how long the hours could be, people will take advantage of people. Uh- Anybody who thinks that those things aren't good has never worked a real fucking job. No. If you worked a real job for real assholes, you realize, like, some people will tell you, "Hey, you gotta work 15, 16 hours a day, period." Yeah. And you get $3 an hour and you go- Yeah. "But I thought I was on minimal?" Yeah. "I don't know, the fuck minimums. Do you want this job or not?" Not, yeah. "You're, you're gonna get plenty of money and you'll not have time to spend it anyway, so, don't worry about it." Yeah, yeah, no. The- (laughs) ... union is a nightmare for someone who's trying to make maximum profit. Yeah. But it's not, but, but the mob- But then they go sideways too, though, and then they get corrupt and then something happens where... Look, one of the things that kept the UFC out of, um, out of New York State was some sort of a dispute that they were having- Right. ... with unions. Because the, the people that owned the UFC at the time, they also owned station casinos. Right. So they owned like, I don't know, a ton of casinos, and they wanted to make them union. Yeah. He- So there was like, there was a lot of that going on. So, you, you gotta go like, huh, that is... You, you're, now you're just like, you're manipulating people with money and influence and- Yeah. And I think the guy who was doing it in New York wound up getting arrested and going to jail for corruption. D- If I'm tru- f- find out if that's true. Well, dude, it's like, uh, the, this is, this is like, the model of unions is perfect for, like, a non-violent reso- revolution. Which is, if on a, at a planetary level, somehow people unionized, which you see it with these boycotts that pop up, these meme boycotts. When the collective decides to reject this thing or that, shit changes fast. And this is the nightmare, if you're trying to create the old pyramid hierarchical control structure. You need all the bricks underneath the eye to, to, to fight each other, 'cause the moment- Hmm. ... the moment there (laughs) just like, what, wait, there's like- Exactly. ... way more of us than you. And we have way more in common than we do, that we're troubled with. (laughs) Yeah. And yet they concentrate more on the bullshit, and then that's just like a fucking algorithm on your cellphone. That accentuates everything that comes into contact with your life. Exactly, dude. And this, this is why I think at any given moment actual world peace is possible. Because we're just, like, always, like, enough people realizing that y- uh, we're basically the same. We have ideologies that are based on fucking, like, (laughs) ancient crazy ideas that we're all connecting to. And some of parts of the ideologies, beautiful. Some parts of the ideologies, madness. And it's like just abandoning some of the ideology, recognizing we're all pretty much the fucking same. And that this model of like some dude telling us to go and kill each other is stupid. (laughs) Like we don't have to do that. Everything changes right away. But- Right away. Yeah, but- It's such a dumb idea. Such a dumb idea. And it's always just some withered old fucking dude who's like just telling you to do something and you're n- you don't, you don't even really believe in what you're doing most of the time. But if you don't do it, they arrest you. That's the thing. They're like, it's not rea- it's not like you're, you're, you're, you're fighting. Like any- anytime there's conscription, you know what I mean? Have you seen the videos of the, like, Russian, the people evading conscrip- conscription or the Ukrainians evading conscription? Like it's scary. They'd put your ass on a fucking bus. They'll drag you out of (laughs) a bar. You're fucking hammered. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Fuck, man. So, they don't even wanna fight. Like that's the craziest part is they're like machine-gunning each other and- And they're using people as cannon fodder, literally. Yeah. Oh God, that's so awful. Which is why we wait... The pro- Ugh. The, the real problem is like the market pressure is created by humans unionizing leads to this. It's like, "Oh, you guys wanna unionize? Oh, you want health insurance? Well, that's pretty expensive. But you know what's not quite as expensive? Teslabots. Teslabots wage-" (laughs) You know? Ugh. I mean, 'cause lo- like if you, if you look at the, the path forward if, for the pyramid, the hierarchical people, you know, it's like, man, like yeah, I, I really can't tell somebody like a, a, a police officer to fire into a crowd of protesters. They're not gonna, probably not gonna do that, but my robot will. My robot isn't gonna be like, "This seems wrong. These people seem like me." It's just gonna do it. And so like, that's, that's the dark side of this stuff. There's a lot of beautiful things about this stuff too, but the dark side is like, it's obvious.

Joe Rogan 11:42 ... just to verify whether thing... Emily's biggest opponent in New York found guilty in federal corruption charges. Yeah, so it's true. Um, d- y- yeah. You know what's crazy? That you, you can't get the police to fire into crowds of protestors. Right?

Duncan Trussell 11:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:59 You can't do that. But you also can't, if you're a cop and you know bad people are in a building, you can't just blow up the whole building, but you can if it's war.

Duncan Trussell 12:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:12 That's where it gets strange, right? Because in war, you can decide that you're gonna, you're gonna blow up entire buildings-

Duncan Trussell 12:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:21 ... because you know the bad guys are in there, and anybody else is just collateral damage. So extra dead people are just cau- Can you imagine if they started practicing police work like that? Like imagine. Imagine if they decided that the, the crime rates in gang-infested neighborhoods-

Duncan Trussell 12:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:36 ... are too bad, so they're gonna send in fucking black ops guys to just take out drug dealers and blow up-

Duncan Trussell 12:44 Dude, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:44 ... houses, houses that have drug dealers in them.

Duncan Trussell 12:46 They can.

Joe Rogan 12:47 You're, you're with your mom? Tough shit. Boom, everybody's dead.

Duncan Trussell 12:50 They can.

Joe Rogan 12:50 You have a little girl in the house? Boom, everybody's dead. Could you imagine? Well, you can because (laughs) you watch Israel and Palestine. That's what's going on. It's just like, you're allowed to do that if it's countries, which is crazy.

Duncan Trussell 13:03 Mm-hmm. Well, yeah. Well, you, you, like, yeah, exact- the, so the idea is, like, okay, uh, let's just say I'm an e- I'm an evil country and I d- I program these robot dogs. And the robot dogs, or spiders are more sinister, robot spiders raise their fucking razor claws. They're programmed to only kill women and children. So-

Joe Rogan 13:26 Sh- (shudders)

Duncan Trussell 13:27 ... I release them into a city. They leave everyone alone except babies, kids, and women. Uh, uh, on a planetary level, people will be like, "We have to evaporate that country." Like, "They're the most evil country. That's horrible." Now, if I take drones and drop them on buildings and they randomly (laughs) blow up women and children in ways that are-

Joe Rogan 13:51 Predominantly.

Duncan Trussell 13:52 ... predominantly in ways that are maybe even worse than my fucking razor spiders. My razor spiders, they go for the jugular, puncture jugular, onto the next jugular vein. The bombs, they maim, they, uh, blind, they cause permanent brain damage, and somehow that is looked at as, "Yeah, it's fucking war, dude." That's what it looks like. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:16 S- it's so crazy that because it's existed for the longest time, we just accept it, that it's always gonna take place. And then we also, if like you had to gamble, if you had to gamble whether or not war would be here in 10 years, you go like, "A 100% it's gonna be here."

Duncan Trussell 14:30 Well, y- well, this is the, this is-

Joe Rogan 14:32 If, unless AI takes over.

Duncan Trussell 14:33 Well, I mean, if AI takes over, it'll just be more efficient war.

Joe Rogan 14:37 I don't know if it will, dude, if, if it communicates in a different way. Like, what if AI makes rational decisions that can only be reached? Like, if, if, if you, if you were looking outside of human emotions and cultures and all-

Duncan Trussell 14:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:55 ... the shit, and, and cultural differences that we have with each other, if AI bypassed all of that and just looked at the problem as, you know, you have resources, you have allocation of those resources, people profiting off those resources-

Duncan Trussell 15:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:11 ... and then people who are in need that be- are being taken advantage of to acquire those resources, and that's your whole game. And so if this is the human race's whole game, you're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 15:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 I mean, this is, this is what you're doing. This is what you're agreeing to.

Duncan Trussell 15:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:30 This whole thing is crazy.

Duncan Trussell 15:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:33 And it would probably restructure where, uh, and how things were acquired and who gets those things that are acquired from the ground.

Duncan Trussell 15:42 W- yeah. Do I mean, this is... Okay, so this would be utopian AI.

Joe Rogan 15:46 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 15:46 But before we get to utopian AI, we have to go through what is ha- uh, uh, did you see those new, the, the, the Chinese military s- put machine guns on those fucking robot dogs? Have you seen that?

Joe Rogan 15:59 (laughs) I did.

Duncan Trussell 16:00 They fucking did it.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:01 They, and we all knew-

Joe Rogan 16:02 Of course.

Duncan Trussell 16:02 ... we, we knew.

Joe Rogan 16:03 But you knew that was gonna happen.

Duncan Trussell 16:04 And did you see the fucking cute DARPA dog? Have you seen that yet?

Joe Rogan 16:08 No.

Duncan Trussell 16:09 Dude. So like, I th- it's DARPA, right? They're the ones who make the dogs. They kick the robots.

Joe Rogan 16:14 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:14 They make videos of like, fucking poking these things. Well, so the dogs are sinister. Everyone knows that. They look creepy. So DARPA is like, "You know, let's make a cute one of these things." So they made like a cute amusement park-

Joe Rogan 16:29 Oh, I gotta see this. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 16:29 ... like Disneyland-style fucking robot dog.

Joe Rogan 16:32 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 16:32 And it looks creepier!

Joe Rogan 16:34 Oh, it's gonna shoot you.

Duncan Trussell 16:35 It's creep- it's-

Joe Rogan 16:36 Ugh.

Duncan Trussell 16:36 No, 'cause this is, this is what I've been thinking about. We picture the Terminator as the machine of death, but why? What is, like, more dangerous than an adorable kid? What if I can make an, an android toddler, looks exactly like a toddler, send that toddler out in the battlefield? Everyone's gonna stop firing. "Why is there a fucking kid out here?" Right?

Joe Rogan 16:59 Right? And the kid's killing everybody.

Duncan Trussell 17:01 And they, and just they're like, "Go get that kid!" (laughs) And he just fucking punches right through your heart. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:06 (laughs) Also small target, hard to shoot.

Duncan Trussell 17:08 Hard to shoot. It can burrow into the ground.

Joe Rogan 17:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 17:11 It's a fucking burrowing toddler!

Joe Rogan 17:13 Corkscrews.

Duncan Trussell 17:14 What the fu- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:14 Corkscrews into the ground.

Duncan Trussell 17:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:17 Like a missile.

Duncan Trussell 17:17 It just like, just, it, it, it just goes down and just fucking like, like on all four shoots through the fucking battlefield-

Joe Rogan 17:25 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 17:25 ... deploying poison darts.

Joe Rogan 17:27 Ah.

Duncan Trussell 17:27 It's like, so 'cause I, you know, the ass-

Joe Rogan 17:29 Imagine a little baby that could run 100 miles an hour.

Duncan Trussell 17:32 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 17:34 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 17:34 Exact- 'cause that's the future of war, man. It's like, why make something that looks scary?

Joe Rogan 17:40 This is the cute one?

Duncan Trussell 17:41 No, this is the fucking (laughs) ... No, this isn't the cute one.

Joe Rogan 17:44 I was like, "That ain't cute."

Duncan Trussell 17:45 No.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Boy, it's creepy.

Duncan Trussell 17:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Look at how it's, it's barf... It's like it's moving its mouth.

Duncan Trussell 17:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:50 What is it doing with its mouth?

Duncan Trussell 17:52 It-

Joe Rogan 17:52 Is it gonna bite you?

Duncan Trussell 17:53 Just-

Joe Rogan 17:54 I wonder if it could bite you.

Duncan Trussell 17:55 It's just cursing.

Joe Rogan 17:57 There's gotta be one that could bite you, right?

Duncan Trussell 17:59 Well, of course. Why not?

Joe Rogan 18:00 I mean, that would be the most terrifying thing-

Duncan Trussell 18:02 Well, you-

Joe Rogan 18:02 ... like a robot wolf that runs around and chases people down-

Duncan Trussell 18:06 Well-

Joe Rogan 18:06 ... and actually tears you apart with its teeth.

Duncan Trussell 18:07 Bayonets. You know, man? You gotta have the fucking knife on your wep- on your weapon if you get into close combat. There you go, a little blender mouth.

Joe Rogan 18:14 What is it doing? It's gonna get your dick. Look how it did that. Look how... It did that like it was right-

Duncan Trussell 18:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:19 It was gonna jump right on your dick.

Duncan Trussell 18:22 Go for a dick! Chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Eat the dick!

Duncan Trussell 18:25 It's a dick eater robot.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Could you imagine?

Duncan Trussell 18:26 It turns the dick into energy.

Joe Rogan 18:28 China developed a dick eater robot. Can you imagine? That's what it looks like it's doing. What else is it doing? Look at the motion it makes. It leaps forward-

Duncan Trussell 18:38 Ah! My stomach.

Joe Rogan 18:38 Imagine (laughs) if you fucking send people out in the battlefield, they get shot, and then you let loose the dick eating robots.

Duncan Trussell 18:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:46 And, "Oh, no!" And you see the robots running, and they just leap on your dick and blend it up.

Duncan Trussell 18:52 It's worse than an atomic bomb.

Joe Rogan 18:54 It's the wor- it's like they're saying, "You are fucked. There's no hope. We're gonna blend your dick off."

Duncan Trussell 19:03 Dude.

Joe Rogan 19:03 I p- I poured a whole cup of coffee. Then I'm like, "Oh, yeah." (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 19:08 I, I'm li- I'm fine taking off the helmet of these fucking things.

Joe Rogan 19:12 We can hang in there a little longer.

Duncan Trussell 19:14 Just so you know, it's like my beard is, if I'm talking weird, it's because, like, there's fucking pubic hair-

Joe Rogan 19:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 19:22 ... shoving... It's like, it's like I'm eating like hippie bush right now.

Joe Rogan 19:28 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 19:28 (laughs) Just fucking deep in my lips. Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 19:34 We should, probably should've tried these on before we did a show.

Duncan Trussell 19:36 Shave your pubes, dudes. This is not fair.

Joe Rogan 19:41 You look good with a beard, though. You look like a wizard.

Duncan Trussell 19:43 Thank you, man. Well, it's too big.

Joe Rogan 19:45 It's a good look.

Duncan Trussell 19:45 I gotta get it trimmed.

Joe Rogan 19:46 No, no, no, no.

Duncan Trussell 19:46 I need a summer cut.

Joe Rogan 19:47 You look good. Oh, a summer cut?

Duncan Trussell 19:48 Yeah. I, yeah, 'cause the fucking, you know... Yeah, the-

Joe Rogan 19:52 It gets hot here.

Duncan Trussell 19:53 My friend's kid the other day goes, "Your beard stinks." And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 19:57 (sniffs)

Duncan Trussell 19:57 I'm like, "Really? Like it actually stinks?" And he goes, "Well, when you, when you're talking a lot, it stinks." I'm like, "That's my breath."

Joe Rogan 20:04 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 20:05 (laughs) It's not my beard.

Joe Rogan 20:07 You have to spray your beard with breath spray. Why don't you do that? Just spray your beard and comb it out with fucking Scope. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 20:19 They're dis- it's disgusting, dude. It really is. Like, imagine if like, your, your mouth was in your head. If, like, you know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 20:25 Oh, people like get food in them all the time.

Duncan Trussell 20:27 All the fucking time. All the time.

Joe Rogan 20:28 Oh, if somebody's eating barbecue, like your beard is fucked.

Duncan Trussell 20:31 Dude, I'm doing a v- I'm trying to do a video podcast now, and what will happen is I will g- I will like, you know, I'll be yapping into the camera for like 20 minutes, go back and look at the footage, and there's just like a, a fucking zen pouch.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Stunk. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 20:46 Stunk. (laughs) Just like a fucking nasty, like a clump of toilet paper.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Ugh.

Duncan Trussell 20:51 It's beards are-

Joe Rogan 20:51 How the fuck did it take you 'til 2024 to do a video podcast?

Duncan Trussell 20:57 Dude, it is so dumb that I didn't do it. But I, to be, to be like real fucking honest, I don't like looking at myself on camera. So, it was-

Joe Rogan 21:08 Oh, and you do all the work. You do all your editing and all that stuff.

Duncan Trussell 21:10 Yeah, but that, that was really stupid. It's like, you know how like-

Joe Rogan 21:14 I'm tapping out.

Duncan Trussell 21:15 Yeah, I'm tapping. You know, like when you're like, uh... Wait, where's the zipper? That'd be fucking crazy if these things locked down. Okay, here we go. Yeah, I just, you know, but now it's so fun, man. And there's so much you could do with like-

Joe Rogan 21:30 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 21:31 ... video that you just can't do with audio. It's just fun.

Joe Rogan 21:34 Yeah, it's way better.

Duncan Trussell 21:35 And I like editing. Like that's the problem. Like, I liked... That's the problem, is I, I get lost editing.

Joe Rogan 21:42 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 21:42 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Oof.

Duncan Trussell 21:44 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 21:45 That sucked. Do you need help?

Duncan Trussell 21:47 No, that, I think, I think that's the long-

Joe Rogan 21:50 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 21:50 Whew. Oh, I think that's the longest we've ever kept our, our mask on.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yeah, that was the longest. That was a good solid like half hour, right?

Duncan Trussell 22:00 Oh, this feels so good.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Yeah, wow.

22:02 About-

Duncan Trussell 22:02 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 22:02 ... half hour, was it?

22:04 20 minutes. 20 minutes. 20 plus.

Duncan Trussell 22:06 (laughs) Being stoned in any kind of mask is like-

Joe Rogan 22:12 Extra scary.

Duncan Trussell 22:13 ... extra fucking scary.

Joe Rogan 22:13 Those furry ones. We, we made it like three minutes-

Duncan Trussell 22:16 Three minutes.

Joe Rogan 22:16 ... with the furry masks on. We were like, "This is crazy."

Duncan Trussell 22:19 And now whenever I see furries-

Joe Rogan 22:20 Respect.

Duncan Trussell 22:21 Deep respect for what-

Joe Rogan 22:22 Respect.

Duncan Trussell 22:23 They're tough as fuck.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Oh, they have to be. If you're out there, and you, your furry ended up, and it's in Louisiana in July-

Duncan Trussell 22:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:31 ... like come on, son.

Duncan Trussell 22:32 Dude. Yeah, you are, like taught-

Joe Rogan 22:34 Furries.

Duncan Trussell 22:34 Furries are like David Goggins level. Like, they could run marathons. If you can wear that fucking thing at a convention and fuck in it, you could run a marathon.

Joe Rogan 22:41 If you're wearing that thing all day, you're basically walking around with a weight pack on.

Duncan Trussell 22:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:45 You'll get a weighted vest.

Duncan Trussell 22:46 It's a weighted fucking claustrophobic suffocation vest that you're fucking in.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah, they fuck on them. I wonder how many furries develop bad necks. I wonder if it's an issue in the furry community.

Duncan Trussell 22:58 Great idea.

Joe Rogan 22:58 Maybe that's like an unserved market for, um, the iron neck.

Duncan Trussell 23:03 Yeah, like a-

Joe Rogan 23:03 Like where the furries-

Duncan Trussell 23:04 Fur-

Joe Rogan 23:04 ... can help them furry it out.

Duncan Trussell 23:05 Iron neck for furries.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Give me that, so we can get it off the table.

Duncan Trussell 23:07 Oh, yeah. Hey, Jamie, can you find that cute DARPA dog?

Joe Rogan 23:11 I was looking for it. Yeah, it's there.

Duncan Trussell 23:12 It's like the furry of War Robots. You should, like you-

Joe Rogan 23:15 Oh, I think I just found it.

Duncan Trussell 23:17 You will-

Joe Rogan 23:17 All right, hold on.

23:17 He found it.

23:18 Is that real?

Duncan Trussell 23:19 Yeah, that's real. I watched it. I mean, I think it's real. I watched it-

Joe Rogan 23:22 Who says it's not?

Duncan Trussell 23:23 No, that's not it. That's not it. It's like, um... Is it not DARPA? It's like a... I think if, if you just Google like "cute DARPA dog" or like... It's a video of the-

Joe Rogan 23:33 Maybe it's not DARPA. Maybe someone else developed it.

Duncan Trussell 23:35 Yeah, sometimes I get confused.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Probably Chinese, bro.

Duncan Trussell 23:37 No, it's not DARPA. It's-

Joe Rogan 23:39 They're gonna fill the pounds with them.

Duncan Trussell 23:41 "Please take me home, please."Dude, that's so insidious. It's like-

Joe Rogan 23:48 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 23:48 ... the cutest rescue dog.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 23:50 And it's, you're like, "We have to take that." And it doesn't kill you, it just emits some kinda weird mind control pheromone-

Joe Rogan 23:57 Ooh.

Duncan Trussell 23:57 ... that really injects TikTok into your fucking head. It just like-

Joe Rogan 24:01 Ooh.

Duncan Trussell 24:01 ... you know, so you fully absorb TikTok's manipulation. Which by the way, I was skeptical about that, uh, until we talked about this. I saw that fucking video showing the comments in TikTok are different.

Joe Rogan 24:17 It e- exact... I think it's Instagram.

Duncan Trussell 24:19 It's, the one I saw was TikTok, so...

Joe Rogan 24:21 Oh, okay. The one I... Was it on TikTok? 'Cause the one I saw was Instagram.

Duncan Trussell 24:24 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 24:24 And then, it was this lady that was doing it with her boyfriend-

Duncan Trussell 24:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:27 ... and they were both looking at the same thing but they had different comments.

Duncan Trussell 24:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 24:31 That's a mind-fuck.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Her comments were m- mocking the man, and the comments on his side-

Duncan Trussell 24:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:37 ... was mocking the woman.

Duncan Trussell 24:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Right?

Duncan Trussell 24:40 Yes. So-

Joe Rogan 24:41 Am I getting that right?

Duncan Trussell 24:42 You got it right. And so whenever I'm looking at comments, I make the idiot mistake of thinking, "This represents some consensus." That, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:51 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 24:51 But actually, no, you're just looking at the co- the co- the algorithm serving the comments and the content. That is so fucked up, dude.

Joe Rogan 25:00 That's so different-

Duncan Trussell 25:01 Dude, tha-

Joe Rogan 25:02 ... because that changes... The, the comments are supposed to be a conversation about the thing. So if you're curating the conversation in an unnatural way-

Duncan Trussell 25:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:11 ... like, that's very different than showing me what I wanna see.

Duncan Trussell 25:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Because now you're changing the dynamics of how things are discussed.

Duncan Trussell 25:19 Yes, sir. That's the fucking evil right there. That's the evil.

Joe Rogan 25:23 That's crazy.

Duncan Trussell 25:24 Dude, this... So, and then, okay, the other assumption with the algorithm is that the algorithm is just, like, random, or it's using some set of variables and serving things up. But th- this is an idiot assumption. I mean, you could, if you are controlling comments, then that means, like, all right, let's just, like, make people mad at each other. Let's make people completely pissed at each other as much as possible, convey this idea that there's d- like, these massive divides between us, and then, then they're gonna fight each other instead of recognizing they're pretty much the same. Like, or they're more nuanced than they think they are. And fuck, dude, that's how you control populations. It's brilliant. It's brilliant, dude. It's-

Joe Rogan 26:07 But do you think that it is... Is it, is there algorithm created and, and utilized to control populations, or is there algorithm simply to get you to engage? So it must see that you engage with a certain number of comments and posts that have a lean one way or another.

Duncan Trussell 26:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:29 There's a very popular thing that's going on right now that you see a lot of, and it's, like, very stern men talking to a bunch of, like, girl influencers and telling them they're fucking losers.

Duncan Trussell 26:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:42 It's v- it's really common.

Duncan Trussell 26:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:45 So if you've seen one or two of those, it starts recommending more of th... No, at a certain point in time, it's gonna probably actually encourage other people to do the same thing, because that creates engagement.

Duncan Trussell 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 And then you have this thing that emerges. Like, was this-

Duncan Trussell 27:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:00 ... a real thing? Like, who's doing this? Like, what is happening here?

Duncan Trussell 27:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Why is this, wh- why is this a new thing that's happening over and over and over again?

Duncan Trussell 27:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:07 And it's just because you engaged with it. And I think that could be slap fighting or it could be fucking... For me, it's like, I see so many car accidents. Oh my God, so many motorcycle accidents, so many people falling off bridges.

Duncan Trussell 27:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:21 I see so much of it-

Duncan Trussell 27:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:23 ... 'cause I've engaged with it too many times.

Duncan Trussell 27:25 Yeah, dude. I, when I fir- when I went on TikTok and I, I stopped, 'cause it's, like, too good, it... But, like, it almo- like, within a second, it's just, like, something about the way I was looking at videos, zit popping videos.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 27:39 It's just like, you like to watch zits pop. And then of course when you're seeing that, you're like, "Wow, that's fucking, uh, intense, dude. Let me watch some more of these." (laughs) Now you're... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 (laughs) That's that doctor, pimple popper lady. She's got a-

Duncan Trussell 27:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:51 ... a huge side of it.

Duncan Trussell 27:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:52 And she's very entaint- entertaining when she's talking about it.

Duncan Trussell 27:55 Abs- absolutely.

Joe Rogan 27:56 But some of them are like, whoa, dude. It's like, you have cream cheese in your body.

Duncan Trussell 28:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:01 Like, a bucket of it.

Duncan Trussell 28:02 Oh my God, the-

Joe Rogan 28:02 And they're squirting it out. It's like-

Duncan Trussell 28:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:04 ... "How is that in there?"

Duncan Trussell 28:05 It stinks.

Joe Rogan 28:05 "What is going..." Oh my God, it must be horrible.

Duncan Trussell 28:08 Fucking stinks, just all those dead blood cells. But dude-

Joe Rogan 28:12 Ugh.

Duncan Trussell 28:12 ... you, th- this is like, for, for me, I've had to, after seeing that video, I've had to, like, go back and just erase any idea I have about a consensus among people.

Joe Rogan 28:24 Right.

Duncan Trussell 28:24 'Cause, like, I've been drawing that idea from comment sections. Like, "Oh, I guess this is what people think." Or like Rotten Tomatoes. Dude, I just saw Civil War, all right? Have you seen it?

Joe Rogan 28:35 No.

Duncan Trussell 28:36 Don't. Now... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:39 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:42 Apologies. I mean this, man, 'cause anyone who makes anything, that's insane. If you made a movie, it's fucking incredible. But dude, I was so excited about that fucking movie. It's like, "Whoa, predictive programming, baby. They're getting us ready for a civil fucking war. Here we go." It is... You can't connect to any of the fucking characters. You don't... You barely understand who the protagonist is. It's the dumbest mission of all time that they're on. There's, there's no, no... There's, the, and the soundtrack is so mysteriously disconnected from what's happening. So there's all these things that just ma- make no... It's like, if, like, if they sent me the footage and they were like, "Duncan, can you edit this movie?" I would've made Civil War. Like, what's happening? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:35 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 29:35 I'd be like, "Let- let's put some fucking hardcore, weird, like, synth music. We'll put the Silver Apples in there, really intense synth music," 'cause I love synth music. And you're watching it like, "Wh- is this a music video for synth music?"... fucking seeing here, dude. So, I'm- I'm-

Joe Rogan 29:54 Now I wanna see it.

Duncan Trussell 29:55 Yo, it's- it's worth seeing it just because it's like, you know, especially if you're into, like, writing screenplays, it's good to watch movies like that and be like, "Why didn't... Why isn't this working?" Like, "What's wrong here?" But dude, I went to Rotten Tomatoes gleefully, like, "Ugh, I can't r- wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit."

Joe Rogan 30:12 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 30:13 81%, people are like, "This is a good warning to all of us." It's like-

Joe Rogan 30:18 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 30:18 ... shut the fuck up!

Joe Rogan 30:21 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 30:23 (Laughs) Up! A warning? What are you talking about? It's a- it's a fucking warning not to fucking do the $20 still in theaters thing on Amazon. That's the fucking warning.

Joe Rogan 30:36 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 30:36 Don't- don't do that. Wait.

Joe Rogan 30:40 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 30:42 Dude it- it sucks! It sucks. None of it makes sense. The stereotypical fucking characters in it, the way they're trying to, like, box people in, to this, like, they're all evil. The- these people all... What kind of American are you?

Joe Rogan 30:58 Oh, God.

Duncan Trussell 30:58 North American? South American? You're from Hong Kong? Bam! Bam! Bam! Stop it! Just shut the fuck up. Like, no one's like that. Like, really. Like, I'm not... Obviously, people are, like, vile racists, but dude, come on, this murder... This... I hate this assessment of humanity. I ha- because basically what they're saying is, "Minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid, we're just gonna kill each other 'cause we're awful, brutal things that must be shepherded by old geriatric men who can't remember their fucking name." You know what... Like, what are we doing? Like, we'll be fine. We're fine. We'll be okay. People are mostly nice. And what... And what's that thing you always say? I love it. Unmet needs?

Joe Rogan 31:47 Yeah. What- how... What is the actual quote again, Jamie? "All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs." But it's a much more profound quote, the full quote. I forget who wrote it too. It's really... I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time. It's a great quote 'cause it's... That is what, like... I mean, there's criticism that's accurate, like something wasn't good.

Duncan Trussell 32:09 Sure.

Joe Rogan 32:09 "Every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need."

Duncan Trussell 32:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Marshall Rosenberg.

Duncan Trussell 32:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:18 Great fucking quote.

Duncan Trussell 32:19 Yeah. So, it's like, yeah, there are people who are fucking assholes, who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways, but they're not doing that 'cause they're evil, I don't think. They're doing that because, like, they- they've learned this way of being that sucks. Now, I'm not saying throw out the judicial system. There shouldn't be, uh, uh, you know, jails or anything like that. I'm just saying this notion of humanity, minus an authoritarian, generally fucking patriarchal, fucking, like, whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is. It's a top-down fucking ruling system. Without the king, we will just fall on each other. "Give me your fucking car, motherfucker!" Some of us will do that, but guess what? They won't last that long because, like, in- in a collectivized society, I just feel like- like, we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now, and everything will balance out.

Joe Rogan 33:20 If we're armed. The problem is if you're not armed and armed thugs take over towns and you can't do anything to stop them and you're in a small group of people that are unarmed and they're- they're pushed into certain situations. If you- if you have a collapse of law and order, it's not as simple as, "We'll take care of it." The- the real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything.

Duncan Trussell 33:43 This is true.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah. And that's- that's a reality of humanity in 2024, like, in certain parts of the world. Like, did you hear about hap- what happened in Haiti-

Duncan Trussell 33:52 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 33:53 ... with that minister?

Duncan Trussell 33:54 Dude.

Joe Rogan 33:54 And his family? Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:55 Dude. Yeah, and the guy, that- that warlord in Haiti.

Joe Rogan 33:58 Oh, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:59 I love watching interviews with that guy.

Joe Rogan 34:01 What is his name again?

Duncan Trussell 34:02 He's got a cool name.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Crazy name.

Duncan Trussell 34:03 It's like sandwich or it's like... (laughs) I can't remember.

34:06 Barbecue or something?

Joe Rogan 34:07 Barbecue. That's right.

Duncan Trussell 34:07 Barbecue.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Sandwich! (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 34:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:12 Sandwich! And there was, uh... There's this one video, but it's not really... It's not really of him. Someone said it was of him, but I guess it's not, I think. And it's a guy, uh, eating a guy, so it's one of these rebels that has this dude-

Duncan Trussell 34:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:23 ... killed roasting over a fire and takes a piece off his leg and eats it.

Duncan Trussell 34:26 That's a- that's a classic move. That's, like, a classic move. You get their energy by eating them. And look, I'm not saying that- that- that there isn't contingents of, like, super violent people that you are gonna have to be able to defend yourself from. And by the way, what's really perplexing to me about the hardcore anti-gun people is they're not really anti-gun. They want cops and the National Guard to have guns. They just don't want people that... Like, people who live in houses to have guns. So they're, like, y- they're pro-gun, but they want guns in the hands of, like-

Joe Rogan 35:05 They're pro authoritarian, violent power.

Duncan Trussell 35:09 We-

Joe Rogan 35:09 Yeah, that's it. The- the authoritarians-

Duncan Trussell 35:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:11 ... have power. Regular people don't have power.

Duncan Trussell 35:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:13 So you have to rely on authori- the- the authoritarians, you have to rely on them to take care of your crime issues.

Duncan Trussell 35:18 Yeah. You see, I- I think I would have more respect for that movement if they're like, "No more guns anywhere. We're gonna get rid of all the guns in the world for-"

Joe Rogan 35:27 And melt them.

Duncan Trussell 35:28 And melt them. And melt them and just, I don't know, build a fucking, uh, water slide or something, but like-

Joe Rogan 35:33 No more hunting. You get to hit things with bows and arrows-

Duncan Trussell 35:36 Traps.

Joe Rogan 35:36 ... and rocks.

Duncan Trussell 35:37 Traps.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Yeah. Traps.

Duncan Trussell 35:38 Knives.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Knives.

Duncan Trussell 35:39 Like they hunt pigs.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Yeah. You can still hunt deer, but you have to use a knife. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 35:43 Yeah. (laughs) It's three fucking...

Joe Rogan 35:46 Can you imagine, how many dudes would get really good at, like, hiding in trees and dropping down and stabbing deer?

Duncan Trussell 35:51 Dude, it would be amazing. Like, I... You know, I might get into hunting. Like, if it became-

Joe Rogan 35:55 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 35:55 (laughs) Fucking throw a fucking dagger.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Yo, there's a dude that films, uh, pig hunts. And he uses spears, (clears throat) and he hides in trees, like above the pigs.

Duncan Trussell 36:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:07 And then he has, like, a camera on the spear, and he throws the spear down and stabs these wild pigs.

Duncan Trussell 36:13 Wow.

Joe Rogan 36:14 It's pretty wild.

Duncan Trussell 36:15 Well, I would love to know the first time he did that. Like, I would love that.

Joe Rogan 36:18 Yeah, how many times you, how do you practice that?

36:21 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 36:21 I just, but the lead, you're just, like, what, you're- you're, like, driving and you're like, "Dude, what if I fucking used a spear? What if I climbed in a tree and started spearing pigs?"

Joe Rogan 36:30 The thing about pigs is, there's so many of them, they'll do any, you're allowed to do almost anything to get rid of them, in Texas at least. They- they hunt them out of helicopters.

Duncan Trussell 36:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Have you ever seen that?

Duncan Trussell 36:40 No.

Joe Rogan 36:40 I've been invited three times. I'm like, "I..."

Duncan Trussell 36:43 I'm not getting in a helicopter. I can't do it.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Don't get in a helicopter. With machine guns on top of that, with pigs.

Duncan Trussell 36:49 Don't.

Joe Rogan 36:49 It's just, if I feel like if I'm gonna shoot a pig, I wanna eat the pig. And if I'm gonna shoot 250 pigs, there's no way I'm eating 250 pigs.

Duncan Trussell 36:57 Yeah, dude. Just-

Joe Rogan 36:58 Yeah, if I shoot one pig, that pig will get eaten. We'll- we'll make some barbecue out of that pig. It'd be awesome. But if you shoot 200... I mean, I get it. You have to do it, though. Th- this is the other part of it. If you run a farm, you have to do it.

Duncan Trussell 37:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:12 They'll kill your profit. They, the profit margin of, uh, American farmers is so low as it is, it's so difficult for them to- to make money, that if you got a million wild pigs running around your state or more... Texas has how many millions? Isn't it, like, three million? Which is bananas. If you know anything about, like, wild animal numbers, that's so crazy to have-

Duncan Trussell 37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:38 ... that many animals in a state.

Duncan Trussell 37:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:40 They're just wild, feral animals. 2.6, from, this is from sic- 2016.

37:48 Oh, it says the same thing here.

37:49 It says that, but now, in 2023, an estimate still... They don't know.

Duncan Trussell 37:53 Feral hogs.

Joe Rogan 37:54 They really don't know. But at least 2.6, or a range of 2.6. There's no way you could e- eh, ah. You would actually have to, like, use drones at night, fly over areas, monitor how many times they breed. They breed three times a year, dude.

Duncan Trussell 38:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:09 They can start breeding when they're six months old.

Duncan Trussell 38:11 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Yeah, so six months old, and then they have three litters a year, and they'll have five, six piglets in a litter. And they're just shitting out babies, and then they're destroying everything. They're just running through the ground, tearing up fucking golf courses and people's lawns in San Jose. Have you ever seen the San Jose videos?

Duncan Trussell 38:34 No.

Joe Rogan 38:34 San Jose, California. Wild pigs just tearing apart people's fucking lawns.

Duncan Trussell 38:40 Wow. Wow.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Knocking over trash cans. Big fuckers.

Duncan Trussell 38:43 Holy.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Terrifying.

Duncan Trussell 38:44 Fuck, dude.

Joe Rogan 38:45 One of them killed a lady.

Duncan Trussell 38:47 What?

Joe Rogan 38:47 Yeah, somewhere, I forget where it was. It might have been out here. I think this lady fe- saw the pigs, fell down in her driveway, and they just fucking tore her apart.

Duncan Trussell 38:58 Dude, what, who is that? I just watched this, like, Crime Files thing about this psychopath who had pigs. And she would have people come and work for her, and then if they pissed her off-

Joe Rogan 39:09 She'd throw them to the pigs.

Duncan Trussell 39:10 And the pigs, like, and someone was saying, when I'm, if you're walking around the pigs, you better not fall. 'Cause if you fall down, they'll just fucking eat you.

Joe Rogan 39:19 That's like the number one way people get killed by animals on farms is pigs eat you.

Duncan Trussell 39:26 Pigs.

Joe Rogan 39:26 "One woman's death by feral hog may not have been caused by the animal after all. Medical examiner determined that feral hog killed Christine Rollins, but her daughter is skeptical because attacks by the animal are extremely rare." Wait a minute. The fucking medical exam- this is, what a confusing headline. It said, "One woman's death by feral hog might not have been caused by the animal after all." But the medical examiner said it was caused by the wild hog, but the daughter is saying attacks by the animal are extremely rare. Well, believe the daughter.

Duncan Trussell 39:58 The daughter?

Joe Rogan 39:59 Who, who is the daughter?

Duncan Trussell 39:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:59 The daughter could be doing anything.

Duncan Trussell 40:01 Haven't you seen Charlotte's Web? Haven't you, these pigs would never.

Joe Rogan 40:05 What is the daughter saying? I don't understand.

40:07 I mean, I-

40:08 Why does she think that? 'Cause they- they do fuck everything up. Like, es- especially if you fall down. "Fox Hall says attacks by feral hogs are extremely rare, less than one in a million chance according to research data. That's why some are now suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal."

Duncan Trussell 40:26 What?

Joe Rogan 40:26 What?

Duncan Trussell 40:27 What's more dogs or-

Joe Rogan 40:28 Suspicious that her cause of death-

Duncan Trussell 40:30 All right.

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... was really due t- uh, to an attack by the animal. We're out there, sorry. What's more, dogs were found lingering around Rollins' body after her death. There's really no doubt that hogs got to her body at some point. The question is whether the hog... Oh, my, she might have been killed by dogs.

Duncan Trussell 40:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:44 Was something else caused her to die and the hogs came along?

Duncan Trussell 40:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:48 That's possible. That's totally possible.

Duncan Trussell 40:50 Sure.

Joe Rogan 40:51 It's definitely possible. But it, how old was this lady?

40:55 59.

40:55 59?

Duncan Trussell 40:55 That pig looked suspicious as fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 40:57 It depends on like what kind of 59-year-old lady you're talking about. You're talking about a lady who goes to CrossFit, or you're talking about a lady who's 59 and has diabetes? 'Cause like if you fall down around wild pigs, I- I gotta think they're gonna treat you the same way domestic pigs do. If domestic pigs start eating you if you fall into the pig pen.

41:16 There's a crazy story. I heard about a kid that raised a hog that went, it just one day turned on him.

41:22 (gasps)

41:22 Like he, he's raised it his entire life. It was like his pet like my dog is. He'd go everywhere with him. And then one day he said he tripped in the pen, and it just attacked him. It almost killed him.

41:32 Oh my gosh.

41:32 I forget. It was a crazy story. I forget even where I saw.

41:34 (sighs)

41:34 But I guess it's popping in my head now, like as you were saying that.

41:37 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 41:37 Horrible way to die.

Joe Rogan 41:38 Bro, could you imagine getting eaten alive by a pig?

Duncan Trussell 41:41 No. No.

Joe Rogan 41:42 (gasps)

Duncan Trussell 41:42 That squeal is...

Joe Rogan 41:44 But- but wouldn't we have it coming? How much bacon have you eaten?

Duncan Trussell 41:47 A lot.

Joe Rogan 41:48 I've eaten a lot of bacon.

Duncan Trussell 41:49 A lot. I love it.

Joe Rogan 41:49 I've eaten a lot of bacon.

Duncan Trussell 41:50 I love bacon.

Joe Rogan 41:51 This is where the vegans get really excited.

Duncan Trussell 41:53 Oh, boy, I'm gonna get a lot of cute pig fucking pictures.

Joe Rogan 41:55 Vegans need to hear that lettuce scream. They should hear it scream. It screams.Screams. Lettuce-

Duncan Trussell 42:01 Lettuce?

Joe Rogan 42:01 ... screams. Yeah, all of it screams. A- avocados scream.

Duncan Trussell 42:06 There's a story.

Joe Rogan 42:06 His best friend was a 250-pound warthog. (laughs) Oh, it's a warthog.

Duncan Trussell 42:10 Yeah. A little bigger, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Oh, well, it's an African animal. It's a different animal. I don't think that's... I mean, I think that's, like, a distant cousin to a pig. They look different. They're crazy-looking. You ever see a warth- warthog?

Duncan Trussell 42:21 No.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Bro, they got, like, these crazy double tusks.

Duncan Trussell 42:24 Dude.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Look at it. Look at that thing.

Duncan Trussell 42:25 Fuck that.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Isn't that wild?

Duncan Trussell 42:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Look at his tusks.

Duncan Trussell 42:29 Oh, this is my friend.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Yeah, the, that dude is not your friend. He's incapable.

Duncan Trussell 42:33 Dude i-

Joe Rogan 42:33 That's a wild beast. That is so much different than a guy raising a hog. Like, if that guy raised a pig, i- uh, the pig would probably never do that. That thing is a wild animal.

Duncan Trussell 42:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:46 Where was this?

42:47 Texas. It was-

42:48 (laughs)

42:48 ... like, on their family ranch. The story about, like, how-

42:50 Texas is so crazy.

42:52 ... he... I forget how-

42:52 It's so crazy out here.

42:54 ... it's called. He called the house-

42:54 It's fucked-

42:55 ... and someone knew what was happening.

Duncan Trussell 42:56 ... and awesome.

Joe Rogan 42:57 It's awesome to be in a place where you could own a wild fucking warthog.

Duncan Trussell 43:00 Dude, Texas... Like, my wife and I talk about this all the time. We're never leaving. We-

Joe Rogan 43:05 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 43:06 We're like, this is home. We love it so much, man.

Joe Rogan 43:08 It's what America aspires to be.

Duncan Trussell 43:11 Dude, it is re- And, like, people are so mad at us, and people bitch about it and make f- But it's like, man, I love it here so much, and I like the heat. And I... And, and like, weirdly, all of us are like... We're, like, getting healthy, man. Like, e- like, it's this cr- I've... In all the years at The Comedy Store, lots of changes happen among the comics. Like the time... I hope I can talk about this. I think I can. He talks about it. Like, remember... Like, he does talk about it. Bobby Lee talks about it publicly. Like the time Bobby Lee was, like, on pills. And s-

Joe Rogan 43:44 Oh, yeah. He talks about that.

Duncan Trussell 43:45 So he would bring all of these pills to The Comedy Store, and we all knew it. And so, he was, like, a pharmacist, so like, like-

Joe Rogan 43:52 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 43:54 Joey, Joey watching Joey-

Joe Rogan 43:56 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 43:56 ... just, like, grab a handful of just unknown Mexican fucking pharmaceuticals.

Joe Rogan 44:01 This is pre-fentanyl, dawg.

Duncan Trussell 44:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:02 Pre-fentanyl.

Duncan Trussell 44:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:03 You could do those things back then.

Duncan Trussell 44:05 Dude, and, and, and so, that, that was... I would call that a dark phase in The Comedy Store, because all of us were on Bobby Lee's shi- fucking Mexican Vicodin.

Joe Rogan 44:15 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 44:16 It was a bad phase. So, so... But I don't think I've ever seen a phase where, like, at a comedy club, the comics are getting healthier. You know, that's a crazy thing to watch. And I, I think, you know, it's not just us hanging out. When I first came to Texas... And I'm not saying everyone's here is healthy or any kind of bullshit like that. But you look around, like, these people are fucking healthy. Like, there's a lot of healthy, like, you know what I mean? Like, like, tough fucking people. And I just-

Joe Rogan 44:44 A lot of people who exercise, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 44:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:45 They just go to the lake, watch people run around the lake.

Duncan Trussell 44:48 Dude, in the, like... In the middle of a heatwave, before I was exercising, one of the most, like, humiliating things, was just to be driving down the street and you look over, and there's someone my age, it's 104 degrees, and they're fucking jogging. And you know what I mean? Like, what's your excuse again?

Joe Rogan 45:06 Uh, uh, uh.

Duncan Trussell 45:06 Oh, you're ti- are you sleepy? It's a little too fucking hot? 'Cause there's a fucking 55-year-old, there's a 55-year-old just galloping down the burning fucking, uh, sidewalk.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 45:17 So, yeah, dude, this place is like-

Joe Rogan 45:19 Sidewalk running is a different kind of hot too.

Duncan Trussell 45:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:21 'Cause you're getting that heat radiating off of the concrete into your face.

Duncan Trussell 45:25 You know Lex Fridman does that shit?

Joe Rogan 45:27 Oh yeah, he's a psycho.

Duncan Trussell 45:28 He fucking runs. Like, when I did his podcast, he's like, "Uh, I'm going jogging." I'm like, "What are you talking about?" Like, I... This was in my, like, early Texas phase. So I was already like... I walked from my car to his place, and was already like, "Jesus fucking Christ."

Joe Rogan 45:42 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 45:43 Walking. And he's like, "Yeah, I'm gonna go jog 10 miles." I'm like, "What the fuck are you, man?"

Joe Rogan 45:51 In this heat?

Duncan Trussell 45:52 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 45:53 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 45:53 It's h- Like, so I think it's important to be around, like... I think that's another qu- aspect of Texas that gets left out, is like, there is this, there is this real, like, strength or healthy thing here that is contagious. Whereas like when you're in p- a place where everyone's all fucking sick and frail and weak and, like, you know what I mean? Scared-

Joe Rogan 46:13 Right.

Duncan Trussell 46:13 ... of disease, like trembling in their fucking boots.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 46:17 That's contagious too.

Joe Rogan 46:18 It is.

Duncan Trussell 46:19 Jumps into you, man.

Joe Rogan 46:20 It 100% does. And I always wonder, like, how much of, you know, how much of an area has the memory of all the things that have happened in that area in it?

Duncan Trussell 46:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:31 And like, as, whereas Texas was the last state to enter into the Union, they've always been like, "Hang the fuck back, hold on." You know, we, we had to g- get through the Comanche to establish this fucking place.

Duncan Trussell 46:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:43 Like, "Settle down." Their... You know, Texas Rangers had to go out there and cold camp, and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses that were just fucking up the Americans. Like, they couldn't pass. They couldn't pass. They couldn't get through. This was the spot where it was like, this place was fucked, and until they conquered it, it stayed fucked. And then they did, and now it's... The whole place has a memory of that.

Duncan Trussell 47:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:09 There's a, there's a, there's a thing about the attitude of this place.

Duncan Trussell 47:12 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 47:13 It's... But it's, it's not what people think. Like, people think they're assholes. They are the nicest, friendliest people.

Duncan Trussell 47:20 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 47:20 People think they're stupid. They are some brilliant people that I've met that live out here.

Duncan Trussell 47:24 Dude-

Joe Rogan 47:24 Brilliant, normal people.

Duncan Trussell 47:26 ... one of my neighbors was a Texas Ranger.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Whoa.

Duncan Trussell 47:30 And he is the coolest guy in... You know, he's an older guy now, he's retired but... And he's still intimidating. And, um, yeah, man, like he, like he, like, uh... He's the, like... He's so fucking cool, man. And like, and, and he... I'm trying not to give away too... Uh, respecting his privacy. Uh, he... Every once in a while in the neighborhood, we would hear this, boom!

Joe Rogan 47:56 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 47:56 Sounds like a generator exploding. And like, um, it's his cannon. He's got like a little fucking cannon. And like, he, like, he likes sh-

Joe Rogan 48:04 He shoots a cannon in his yard?

Duncan Trussell 48:06 Oh, it's little.... but, like, he's so-

Joe Rogan 48:08 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 48:08 So, it-

Joe Rogan 48:08 What's he shooting at?

Duncan Trussell 48:10 Well, he doesn't put cannonballs in it.

Joe Rogan 48:12 Oh, God.

Duncan Trussell 48:12 There's a way to do it so, like, my kid... Like, one day, he pulls up in front of my house with a truck. One... So, like, one of my kids bir- like, had just had a birthday, and he's like, "Do they wanna see the cannon?"

Joe Rogan 48:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 48:22 And I'm like, "Uh, I do! I know I do!" It's so... Like, it was, like, the coolest thing ever, man. He takes his fucking cannon, little, little cannon. I'm looking at it. I'm like, "That can't be loud."

Joe Rogan 48:34 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 48:35 You know what I mean? He takes this little cannon. He does some crazy, like, pirate shit with it, that I still don't understand. He's, like, knows how to operate a cannon. Boom! My kids were like, "Holy shit!" My neighbors ran into the yard 'cause they thought something had happened.

Joe Rogan 48:51 Well, Duncan, you've shot guns before.

Duncan Trussell 48:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Think about how little gunpowder is in-

Duncan Trussell 48:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:57 ... like, a, a 9 millimeter.

Duncan Trussell 48:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:59 It's not a lot.

Duncan Trussell 49:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:01 It's crazy loud.

Duncan Trussell 49:02 Right. You're right.

Joe Rogan 49:03 It's just contained by that barrel.

Duncan Trussell 49:05 Well, yeah, right. And so a cannon-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Shooting out that-

Duncan Trussell 49:08 ... it's just, yeah. I got you.

Joe Rogan 49:08 ... that gas and that bullet, but it's, it's basically like, the little cannon is kind of the same thing.

Duncan Trussell 49:13 Well, it totally made me, like, you know, it gave me a new picture of, like, cannon battles on ships.

Joe Rogan 49:20 Bro, imagine how loud that was. I mean, imagine how loud that was. Like, real cannons?

Duncan Trussell 49:28 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Like, I've been to a football game where they shoot off a cannon, but I don't know if that was, like, a real cannon-cannon. You know? Like, it-

Duncan Trussell 49:37 Probably.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Probably. Like, the UNLV? What do they use? I mean, not, not UNLV, um-

49:43 Beard.

49:43 Yeah. UNLV. I blame the weed.

Duncan Trussell 49:50 Um, dude, the, like-

Joe Rogan 49:53 The UT one. Do they have, um-

49:55 It's called Smoke it a Cannon. It's a recreation of a-

49:57 That's it.

49:58 ... Civil War cannon.

Duncan Trussell 49:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:59 A Civil War... Jesus.

Duncan Trussell 50:00 Geez.

Joe Rogan 50:00 Hey, guys.

50:02 (laughs)

50:02 Let it go.

Duncan Trussell 50:03 Yeah, maybe recreate an earlier cannon, guys.

Joe Rogan 50:07 (laughs) How about you can do a fucking pirate cannon?

Duncan Trussell 50:09 Yeah, I'll do a pirate cannon.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Don't say s-... Which side, bro?

50:13 It says it fires four shotgun shells after every time. That's crazy.

50:18 Oh, so that's what it does?

50:19 10 gauge.

50:19 It does shotgun shells?

50:20 10 gauge blank shotgun shells.

50:22 Okay. Okay. So, I guess that's probably not the sound of an actual cannon.

Duncan Trussell 50:27 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Look at that crazy thing.

Duncan Trussell 50:28 That's a happy cannon, man.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Yeehaw. It's really loud. But the point is, I wonder, like, to- to shoot a cannonball, like, at a ship back then, like, how much gunpowder they use? And how fucking loud was that?

Duncan Trussell 50:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:42 And how deaf were those motherfuckers?

Duncan Trussell 50:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:44 The dudes who had to work the cannons?

Duncan Trussell 50:46 Deaf.

Joe Rogan 50:47 Deaf as fuck.

Duncan Trussell 50:48 Deaf.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Deaf as fuck, dude. And how much brain damage you get just standing next to that thing? Boom!

Duncan Trussell 50:54 Or the recoil.

Joe Rogan 50:54 Oh, it's going off. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 50:56 The recoil. If you don't get out of the way, it will fucking-

Joe Rogan 50:58 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 50:58 ... rip your leg off.

Joe Rogan 50:59 God, man.

Duncan Trussell 51:01 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Yeah, that thing is flying back, right? Didn't they have them on tracks?

Duncan Trussell 51:04 Yeah, man. Yeah, they, it will, like, um, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 51:07 So, it doesn't rip out of the fucking floor? Didn't they have, like, cannons on tracks?

Duncan Trussell 51:11 I, I just saw this ju-

Joe Rogan 51:12 Did I make that up?

51:13 That's probably how they just moved them.

51:14 No, I thought they were on tracks, like, so that when they shot, they would slide back and not rip the floor apart.

Duncan Trussell 51:20 I just saw that John Adams doc on Netflix. I think it's on Netflix. I don't know what it's at, what it's on. But, uh, there was, like, a, a cannon battle in, in a ship. And, like, yeah, a dude just gets his fucking leg ripped off 'cause it, like, back, it like goes back into him. Like, it's... Dude.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Isn't it crazy that that seems crazy to us? But, like, how many people died in cannon battles as opposed to, like, when Israel bombs Gaza?

Duncan Trussell 51:45 Dude.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Like, how many people are... I mean, like, a bomb, which we do right now, it seems so much more brutal than cannonballs. Like, cannonballs seem, like, really ineffective.

Duncan Trussell 51:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:54 It's probably... They probably sucked.

Duncan Trussell 51:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Like, how far did that cannonball go? Like, how good were they at judging it?

Duncan Trussell 52:01 Here we go.

Joe Rogan 52:02 This is what a cannon's like? Damn. Yeah, see how it slides back? It's on wheels.

Duncan Trussell 52:11 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:12 And then there's a rope that catches it.

Duncan Trussell 52:15 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Dude, what a... Imagine life back then? And they thought that was the shit. That was like a fucking iPhone 16. Bro, I got a cannon.

Duncan Trussell 52:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:24 You know, we used to be able to... We used to have to go up to the boat, jump in, hack everybody to death-

Duncan Trussell 52:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 ... light it on fire. Now-

Duncan Trussell 52:30 I sink it.

Joe Rogan 52:31 ... you shoot it from over here.

Duncan Trussell 52:33 Incredible.

Joe Rogan 52:34 You don't even have to jump on the boat.

Duncan Trussell 52:35 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 52:37 Yeah, man. I'll tell you, though, with all the shit that's going on right now, I know everyone's freaked out, but, w- the reason I'm hopeful is not because of, like, the bombings and the deaths obviously. It's the outcry. Like, like, when in history has there been this level of outcry? Like, no! What are you doing? Stop!

Joe Rogan 53:01 Right.

Duncan Trussell 53:01 Like, to me, like, that's the sign that human consciousness is, like, evolving to, to value life in a way that maybe we didn't value before. Because, like, there, there have been infinite wars, in, like, including, like, the... How many people did we fucking bomb? How many people, how many civilians did we fucking kill when we were fucking bombing, uh, Iraq? How many? You know, I... There's a, uh, it's a lot, right?

Joe Rogan 53:30 Well, they don't know, like, the full number. You, you get two different people's numbers, but they think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of a million people died.

Duncan Trussell 53:40 Right. So, so, in that-

Joe Rogan 53:42 Right? Is that, is that correct? Is that... I think it's also, like, deaths that they attribute to things that happened because of the war, but I think it led to a million innocent deaths. Or somewhere in that range.

Duncan Trussell 53:54 Y- dude-

Joe Rogan 53:54 I think that was the high end.

Duncan Trussell 53:55 But, w-... And then there was an outcry over that war, but, like-

Joe Rogan 53:58 It's not the same as this.

Duncan Trussell 53:59 But, yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 54:00 Right? If you think about the numbers, like-

Duncan Trussell 54:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:02 I think it's also the access that we have now to cellphone footage.... and how good it is, and how quickly it gets posted. I mean, that's relatively recently, you know?

Duncan Trussell 54:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:13 Like, that's, the, the real abilities of these phones, like, to make videos like they do now, how long has that been going on?

Duncan Trussell 54:20 You're right.

Joe Rogan 54:20 10 years?

Duncan Trussell 54:21 You're right.

Joe Rogan 54:22 You know?

54:23 Only 100,000?

Duncan Trussell 54:25 100,000?

Joe Rogan 54:26 Including civilians?

Duncan Trussell 54:28 66,000 civilians.

Joe Rogan 54:31 210,296 civilian deaths from violence. 109,000 deaths, including 66,081 civilian. That's weird. L- I don't understand what they're saying there.

54:47 Pulled it from the middle.

54:49 What's that?

54:50 It pulled, it just pulled that section from the middle of this whole thing, which-

54:53 Civilian deaths from violence. Does that mean war? Like, what does that mean? So that's civilians that were killed entirely by war, or is that civilians that died just from violence?

Duncan Trussell 55:05 Well-

Joe Rogan 55:05 Any kind of violence.

Duncan Trussell 55:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Like stabbing your neighbor.

Duncan Trussell 55:08 But this is like, Carlin does jokes about this. This is what's really insidious about this shit. It's like, it's war.

Joe Rogan 55:14 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 55:15 Say it's fucking war. It's like, it's like the violence, it's, the, the, the, the violence is related to war. So don't say from violence, say from fucking war, because that's what war does. And-

Joe Rogan 55:27 You know what's really crazy? Looking at dead human numbers. Go, put that back up, please. When you're looking at the number, 210,296 civilian deaths from violence, when you look at that number, you just, you, it's so two-dimensional.

Duncan Trussell 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 You don't get an understanding-

Duncan Trussell 55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:49 ... of how insanely evil that number really is.

Duncan Trussell 55:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:55 210,296 people that didn't have to die.

Duncan Trussell 56:00 How many memories?

Joe Rogan 56:01 That died because someone wanted to do something and got a group of people to go and do their bidding, and they all were, uh, they all were authorized to shoot people.

Duncan Trussell 56:11 Yeah, man. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:13 This, this is a crazy thing that we still do as human beings. And the problem is, I don't see a way out of it, because terrorists are real, criminals are real, bad people are real.

Duncan Trussell 56:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:23 This is the world we're living in. Unless, you take mushrooms. We gotta get mushrooms legal for the entire country. The whole country.

Duncan Trussell 56:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:33 And just force them down everybody's throat.

Duncan Trussell 56:36 Dude-

Joe Rogan 56:36 Force people to do mushrooms. Do it for everyone else.

Duncan Trussell 56:39 That's our robots. That's our-

Joe Rogan 56:41 Do it for everyone else.

Duncan Trussell 56:42 Our robot fucking, like-

Joe Rogan 56:43 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 56:43 ... like, like, like a bird. It just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and sprays psilocybin in there.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Can you imagine if AI forced us all to take psilocybin?

Duncan Trussell 56:52 Oh, what a horrible day that would be.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Could you imagine if, like, that was AI solution? AI was like, "Human beings actually, uh, they're developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship that they had-"

Duncan Trussell 57:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:04 "... with cubensis mushrooms."

Duncan Trussell 57:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 "And this is the facts, and this is how we know, and this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly and, and it aligns with-"

Duncan Trussell 57:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:13 "... with Terence McKenna's theories about-"

Duncan Trussell 57:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:15 "... how the, the grasslands receded."

Duncan Trussell 57:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:19 You know? And-

Duncan Trussell 57:19 It's an upgrade.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Or the, the, the rainforests receded into grasslands and people started eating cow shit bugs and-

Duncan Trussell 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:24 ... cow shit mushrooms, and then they started thinking about things different.

Duncan Trussell 57:28 Oh my God, man.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Imagine if the AI tells us that's how, what... So you just need to keep going, is what the AI would say.

Duncan Trussell 57:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:33 You guys like, quit. Like, you know, you got your purple belt, and you're like, "Uh, tried to get in injured."

Duncan Trussell 57:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:39 And you backed out.

Duncan Trussell 57:40 Go deeper.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Go deeper. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:41 You need to go a little deeper.

Joe Rogan 57:42 A little deeper.

Duncan Trussell 57:43 Little bit.

Joe Rogan 57:44 And if AI just, like, tells people, like, "This is what you really should be taking." L- like, imagine if, like, instead of mushrooms, especially psilocybin, instead of it being something that terrifies people, and that makes people think, "Oh my God, you take it, you're gonna lose your mind. You take it, you're gonna be a fucking loser." Imagine if it was actually scientifically proven that it, it does make you smarter, and it makes you more effective at being a person. And th- and that these are the right doses. Imagine if AI just started spitting out doses in order to gain this percentage of increase in cognitive ability.

Duncan Trussell 58:16 Yeah (laughs) . Fucking bats.

Joe Rogan 58:17 You can get this percentage of increase in empathy at this-

Duncan Trussell 58:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:19 ... dose for this many days, and, and it just starts, like, re-energy, uh, engineering human beings-

Duncan Trussell 58:26 Dude-

Joe Rogan 58:26 ... doing psilocybin.

Duncan Trussell 58:27 ... you know one of the things Ram Dass said, which I love? Is when they a- they, they would ask him things like, "How, you know, how did this happen to you? How did you get... Where, how do you get, like, to be this benevolent, like, thing that is radiating love all the time?" Which he was. He goes, "I trusted the mushroom." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:44 Oh, man.

Duncan Trussell 58:44 Any minute, dude.

Joe Rogan 58:45 Wow.

Duncan Trussell 58:45 And, and, and 'cause, 'cause I don't know that we get a Ram Dass without psilocybin. Like, 'cause that, like the, he's, there's a beautiful famous story of him, uh, hanging out with Tim Leary and some other, like, luminaries, and they had synthetic psilocybin. And that was pretty much t- like, the, the real beginning of his, like, path. And like, uh, i- it... You know, I'm, sometimes I'm a little skeptical about this concept because I worry that, 'cause I've met people who are really into psychedelics who are like, somehow it went the opposite direction. They're really kind of egoic.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 59:23 They're into the dosage. The, and how many times-

Joe Rogan 59:25 They're, they're very guru-like.

Duncan Trussell 59:27 Gur- they become guru.

Joe Rogan 59:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 59:28 You know? The, but, but, and by the way, guru isn't always bad.

Joe Rogan 59:31 Not always.

Duncan Trussell 59:32 But they become narcissistic.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 59:34 They become power gurus, more like sorcerers. And, and, and-

Joe Rogan 59:38 Co-leaders.

Duncan Trussell 59:39 Co-leaders. And so, so, yeah, so like, I, I worry that, you know, 'cause the, everyone's like, "What if we just gave Putin a shit ton of mushrooms?" It's like, well, i- it's gonna go one of two ways. Like, it's gonna be like where he's just like, is like, "Oh my fucking God. Oh my fucking God. I thought I was Russian? I'm an earthling. What the fuck was I think- this is- I've, I was conditioned."

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:04 "This is brainwashing. I got brainwashed by culture. And, and, and I, it's over guys. No more of this shit. I retire. I'm moving to fucking Hawaii." Whatever. But like, the, or it goes the other way.... which is like, "Oh, God wants me to fire nuclear missiles."

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:00:24 (laughs) You know what I mean? You know, we don't know. Roll the dice.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:29 Roll the dice. So, yeah, but I- I do think if, if we're looking at, like, massive, like, instantaneous shifts in, in planetary consciousness, psychedelics definitely one of the ways. Like, have you heard of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love?

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 No, but it do- I don't like the way it sounds.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:49 I think you'd like them.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 (laughs) Just the name. It's like that sounds like the bad people in some really corny movie.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:57 It does.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:59 We are the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Speaking of which, I saw a really good movie last night.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:03 What?

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Um, what it is ... I think it's called Late Night with the Devil. It's about, uh, it's a 2024 movie about-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:12 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 ... a talk show host in 1977 that has this girl come on the show. And it's, like, really done, like, like it looks like you're in 1977.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:20 So good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 And, uh, the girl's possessed and it, like, it builds, man.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:25 Dude, it's so fucking good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Have you seen this?

Duncan Trussell 1:01:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Oh, you loved it, right?

Duncan Trussell 1:01:29 Dude, I loved it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 It's great.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:30 It's so good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Late Night with the Devil, official. It ju- I mean, it j- it, I think it just came out a couple of months ago, must've just went straight to being streamed, but it's fucking good, man.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:40 And that's good casting, dude. All of it, like that, the host is so much like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:45 ... the, that level of talk show hosts-

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:48 ... from that time period, and it's scary and it's fucking good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Yeah, it's solid. It-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:54 Highly recommend.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Yeah, it was solid. It was really solid.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:58 S- solid, dude. And dude, you know what I just saw that, uh ... And I was super skeptical about this one, uh, but it's not bad, The Pope's Exorcist. Have you seen that?

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Really?

Duncan Trussell 1:02:08 Dude, I know, I had the same, uh, I had the same thinking. My, my, my brother-in-law, who's got, like, really good taste in movies and, like, he's like, "It's actually not that bad. It's a little cheesy." It's fucking good, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Really?

Duncan Trussell 1:02:20 Yes, it's very good, and like, but stupid, but good.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:02:24 You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 This is The Pope's Exorcist?

Duncan Trussell 1:02:28 Yeah. And I usually don't get into it. Russell Crowe. I don't get into exorcist movies usually. Why do they all fucking w- turn their head like that? But, uh, what's interesting is this guy, the Pope has an exorcist, and he wrote a bunch of fucking books. And so it's kind of drawing from, like, stories of this guy doing exorcisms, and it's, it's in, it's fascinating, man. It's really interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 It would be the greatest deception ever if demonic possession was real and we were all mocking it, and then one day you saw it.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 You actually saw it, you'd be like, "Oh, no, it's real."

Duncan Trussell 1:03:06 Dude, I think it is real. Like, d- I, like, you, I think we've just come up with new words for it. But have you ever had this happen? I'm gonna get made fun of this. Have you ever had this happen? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:03:19 Have you ever been, like, super high? You're walking down the street. You pass somebody having a psychotic episode, and they start saying what you're thinking? Have you ever had that happen?

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 No.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:30 I have.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Really?

Duncan Trussell 1:03:31 Yeah, I, and I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 What were you thinking though? "I'm hot." (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:03:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 'Cause it's 100 degrees out.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:37 I feel crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:03:38 I was thinking, kind of, you know what I think? I feel crazy. I feel crazy!

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 I'm hot. You're like, "Oh, my God, he knows, he can read my mind."

Duncan Trussell 1:03:45 I'm too high right now.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Uh, "He can read my mind."

Duncan Trussell 1:03:49 No, no, it was like, no, he was like, kind of like, g- he was like garbling out like shit I think I was thinking about, like ... I mean, obviously any of this stuff, uh, it's not scientific, obviously it's not scientific.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 Wait a minute, you're not a scientist.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:02 I am a scientist. I am, actually. Yeah, I am a f- a fucking scientist. I st- I study rainbows.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:04:07 I study the power of rainbows to heal animals. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 There is ... I forget who, who posted it up, but there's some video of, uh, all these college kids talking about ... It went viral. All these college kids talking about what their degree was in and these, all these woke kids with these ridiculous degrees, like what, what, what they studied.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:29 Yeah, man. Dude, very expensive to get those fucking degrees too.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 It is a hilarious video, because it's like how does anybody not see that that is a massive waste of your time? Like, what have you done? You have been tricked. You have been tricked into getting a degree in nonsense.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:45 Dude.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 And- (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:04:46 That-

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 And you write papers in nonsense and books on nonsense.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:49 But, but, yeah, aside from that-

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:04:51 ... you know what you've really been tricked into? You've become a fucking vassal of the banks. Like, you are eternally indebted to the structures that you are opposing. It's like, "Oh, real-"

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:03 ... "oh, oh, what's your ... Oh, so you spent ..." How much again? Like, uh, $180,000 to get to major in, like, communist studies?

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:05:14 Great. Okay. Uh, you're late on your payment, motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:19 You gotta pay us now. I mean that-

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 Not only that, it's the ultimate mafia group. Like, they, they want your money no matter what, even if Social Security, "Fuck you, pay me."

Duncan Trussell 1:05:28 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 They're the ultimate "Fuck you, pay me" people.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:30 "Fuck you, pay me."

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 You can't ... Uh, the, apparently we said about, we s- we talked about this before, but, uh, apparently there are certain circumstances under which, uh, there's a certain type of bankruptcy that allow you to evade that, but I wonder what that is.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:44 It's suicide. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 (laughs)

1:05:47 I dug into it before on a podcast, but I don't understand it enough to interrupt and ...

1:05:51 Yeah, I remember us talking about it. I don't understand it either.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:55 Dude, this is like ... Man, well, we've definitely talked about this before, but rest in peace David Graeber who wrote a great book called Bullshit Jobs. Brilliant mind, man. Brilliant mind. But he, he basically talks about how, like-So, the idea is, I'm gonna go to college-

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Discharge.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:11 Oh, discharge.

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Sorry to have interrupted you.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:13 No problem, man.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Discharge and bankruptcy. If you declare bankruptcy and then the bankruptcy court determines repaying your loans would cause undue hardship, your loans can be discharged. How many times does that happen? (laughs) Zero.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:26 (laughs) Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 It's like, yeah, this, it's legal as long as this judge decides-

Duncan Trussell 1:06:30 I'm sorry, but repaying your loans always produces undue fucking hardship.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:33 It sucks to pay back loans.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:06:35 It sucks. It always sucks. I want a fucking nice computer.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Yeah, how could you define it that way?

Duncan Trussell 1:06:38 I want a boat! I want a swimming pool.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:41 Like...

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 For example, several types of loans associated with education expenses are dis- are dischargeable in bankruptcy, like most other types of unsecured consumer debt. These types of loans for education expenses are not subject to the more difficult standard and extra step these loans could include, for example, loans where the loan amount was higher than the cost of the attendance, such as tuition, books, rooms, and board, which can occur when a loan is paid directly to a consumer. Loans paid for education... So that means they could do it... They could, they could, uh, th- they could forgive you if the loan amount was higher than the cost of attendance? Is that what it's saying? Or is it saying it's gonna pay you the difference? Like, you could, you could g- deduct the difference when you get, uh, bankruptcy?

Duncan Trussell 1:07:30 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Loans to pay for education at places that are not eligible for title for funding include unaccredited colleges, a school in a foreign country. So, so much for your wizard university, Duncan. Yeah, you can't, you're not... You can't go bankrupt with your wizard degree. You still have to pay it.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:49 Are you fucking kidding?

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 You have to pay it.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:50 I'm up to my neck-

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 You have to pay it.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:52 ... in debt for this shit.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 It says you have to pay it.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:54 And also, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:07:55 It's unaccredited, Duncan.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:56 But there, the rainbow thing, it's like something's changed in the Earth's atmosphere 'cause it's not healing anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 It's an un- an unaccredited wizard school.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 You know? You went cheap, and now you're fucked.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:06 Well, I'm sorry, Joe. Not everybody (laughs) was born a billionaire like you (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 I wasn't born a billionaire.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:12 I know you weren't! I'm joking. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:08:14 I, I don't think that that wizard stuff is good anyway. I think it's-

Duncan Trussell 1:08:17 I think it's e-

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 I think it's, you, you... I think you're, you're toying with the devil.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 Just like that late night show? I'm that little bald guy-

Duncan Trussell 1:08:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 ... that was, like, uh, in the show? That's me.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:26 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Where I'm like, "Hey, you're messing with something."

Duncan Trussell 1:08:28 Can I ask you something?

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:30 Where did the devil come from?

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 That's a good question.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:32 Did God make the devil?

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 What a mean trick.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Can you imagine? Imagine... Do you need the devil? Do you need... Is it symbolic of what we need in this life? Like, do we need to see what's happening in Palestine in order to reassess the way we behave as a civilization? Do we need crime to get out of hand before we realize that law and order is important?

Duncan Trussell 1:09:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 And that we really need to, like, figure out a way to stop crime at its root source, which is disenfranchise people?

Duncan Trussell 1:09:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 Do we really need some... Like, maybe that's the only way we learn. That's, maybe there's, like... You know, like, lottery winners, they don't do well, dude.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 They don't do well because they didn't learn.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 They just got all this money, like, wah! And then they're-

Duncan Trussell 1:09:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 ... doing blow and they're on a fucking-

Duncan Trussell 1:09:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 ... yacht, and-

Duncan Trussell 1:09:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 It's gone.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 Now it's gone.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:23 Now it's gone.

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 And now you, you're mad and everybody's mad at you.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 And you didn't invest in the business with your uncle.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 And everybody's pissed at you.

Duncan Trussell 1:09:29 So you're asking, do we need the devil?

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 I wonder if you need th- a bad and a good. I wonder if you need something... I wonder if you need to see 200-plus thousand dead people and just have that number in your head and just try to picture what that looks like. I wonder if we need that-

Duncan Trussell 1:09:46 Resistance.

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 ... in order to reali- Yes, yes. That there's, like... That you don't grow without resistance. Like, this is... We're thinking of it as just plain, this is life, but we're in the middle of a process.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 We're in the middle of a process. E- everyone understands this and no one thinks about it.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 We are in the middle of this intellectually evolutionary process.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 And there's, there's something ha- That's funny that I said those two words in such a goofy way.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:17 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 Intellectually.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:19 I liked it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:20 Evolution. But it's, there's a thing going on where we're assuming that civilization is going to be better all the time, and we're always gonna get better all the time. Which is really interesting, because no other animal does that. There's not another animal alive-

Duncan Trussell 1:10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 ... that says, "We only killed, you know, 47 zebras this year. Next year, we're fucking cranking it up, we're gonna be better and more efficient."

Duncan Trussell 1:10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 We wanna be better at everything. We wanna be better at our industry.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 We wanna be better at fixing our infrastructure. We wanna be better at housing.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 We wanna be better all the time. Like, there's this constant push for progress.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 And if you just step back and look at where it's going with this train wreck of AI happening at the same time that's going on, it's like, "Oh, we were fueling this!"

Duncan Trussell 1:11:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:03 "We were fueling the takeover."

Duncan Trussell 1:11:05 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 "We were buying iPhones."

Duncan Trussell 1:11:07 Dude, I think... This is so funny you're mentioning this, 'cause honestly, this is so embarrassing. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:11:15 This is so dumb. Eve- I don't care. I'm wearing-

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 Yeah, you're-

Duncan Trussell 1:11:18 ... a robot outfit.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:11:20 I, at the gym yesterday, I'm working out and I've started listening to classic gospel music.

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Whoa.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:29 It, it is so good. If you're having a shitty day, it doesn't matter if you're not Christian, just fucking listen to it. It's so upbeat, and like, it makes you happy and it's kinda magical. But like... So I'm at the gym and I'm thinking about Jesus, 'cause I've been listening to gospel music. And like, I was thinking like, "Oh, oh." Like, maybe the idea, as far as like the devil goes, 'cause I always wondered that. Who made the devil? Why did God make the devil? Why is there a devil? Is there a devil? Is it just a fucking symbol for something? But I realized like, "Oh," like, you know that stupid song? If you love some- if you love somebody-

Joe Rogan 1:12:05 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:06 ... set 'em free.

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:08 So it's like, the idea being I'm setting... I'm making you, you're sentient.... and I'm setting you free. And I'm setting you free in a fucking universe where there are, there's collectivized evil. There's some kind of like, like, sematics, there's some kind of thing that forms which will fuck you up. And, because I love you, I'm gonna let you figure it out. And, and, and, and, and, and then from, from that perspective... And also if there is some super intelligence, and somehow in the universe there's a bifurcation or something that's centered on the self instead of others, it has an intelligence to it to really, like, fucking flex to that thing. You're like, "Okay. I'm just gonna give you these things that I love so much, and if you win, if you corrupt my creation fully, then, then you win. I was wrong." But I don't think you are. I don't think it's gonna happen. Because inevitably whatever it is, you take a psychedelic, for me whenever I take psychedelics, too many, right away I start thinking about how selfish I am. I start thinking, like, "Dude, like, it hurts. It hurts to be jealous. It hurts to not help. It hurts to be so cherishing of myself." And any time I'm not doing that, I'm so happy.

Joe Rogan 1:13:35 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:35 Like, so, but to, to, to force that o- you can't force that onto somebody. They have to stumble upon it somehow, and there's a, like, that's Christianity. That's-

Joe Rogan 1:13:44 They don't get it unless they feel it.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:47 That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:13:47 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:47 And so, like, to let these things that, theoretically I'm talking about from Christian cosmology, that you love more than anything else-

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:55 ... to, to fuckin', which by the way, like in the Garden of Eden story, when God is cry, like, God says something like, "Where are you?" to Adam and Eve, and apparently the, the originals, the original translation, that crying out, is the way of... Like, you know if you've ever lost your kid at a playground?

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:13 It's that. It's not like, "Where are you? Slaves..." It's like you're, when you're calling for your kids.

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 Whoa.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:19 So, yeah, it's heavy, man. And so, like, so, yeah, I, I feel like, uh, that maybe the whole thing is designed for us individually to stumble upon that, that basic truth, that underneath the shell is love. And the love wants to express itself, and love doesn't express itself by saying, "Me, me, me, me, me, me, me." Love is always like, "I love you. What can I do for you? Let me help you." It's like the person swimming into the lake for no reason to get that last person who fucking was in a car accident, and they drown. You know, they get the person to safety and they die. This is, to me I think that's the devil. That's why it's there. It's, it, it might, it might be real. I think as a term of convenience it's great. But it's like, holy shit, man, like...

Joe Rogan 1:15:09 As an inclination it's real. Right?

Duncan Trussell 1:15:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:12 Like whether or not you murder a baby because the devil made you do it or because some other force that is just like the devil that just happens to be a part of human beings-

Duncan Trussell 1:15:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:25 ... that in violent rages they can do horrific things. And then on top of that also intentionally evil, just like chimpanzees.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 I mean, chimpanzees do it. Do we think the devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it? Or do we think that this is some bygone, some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers-

Duncan Trussell 1:15:47 Dude-

Joe Rogan 1:15:47 ... or allow people to become assassins?

Duncan Trussell 1:15:50 I think it's a semantics argument.

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 Hm.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:52 I think it's like, it's an identification of a possibility in a human life. There is a possibility in a human life to make a series of shitty decisions, and those shitty decisions lead you into darker and darker and darker experiences of reality. And the darker your experience of reality, the more likely you are to make a shitty decision. Because, like, you've gotten yourself into fucking debt, you went to wizard school, you've got-

Joe Rogan 1:16:14 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:16:14 ... you, you're, you, you, you study fucking rainbow magic, it doesn't seem to be real, no one's coming to your clinic. Now you're like, uh, you know, $800,000 in fucking debt, and now what are you gonna fucking do? Like you've got to figure out a way to make money, so how are you gonna make the fucking money? Well, you find some scam or some shit, right? And then the next thing you know, now you're like lying to people. And now that you're lying to people, you have to keep fucking lying to people, and then you start lying to yourself. And then you get lost in a maze of self-deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness, until the next thing you know you're in fucking jail or you're dead, you're killing somebody. And so, so like, uh, you call it whatever you want to fucking call it, but this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real. And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, is at any given moment in that hell state you have gotten yourself into, there is a way to get the fuck out. You don't have to be in hell. It's like what C.S. Lewis says, "The gates of hell are locked from the inside."

Joe Rogan 1:17:17 Ooh.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:17 There's a fucking way out.

Joe Rogan 1:17:19 Oh my God, what a good quote.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:20 It's so good, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:17:22 That is such a good quote.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:22 It's so good. It's so good.

Joe Rogan 1:17:25 That's such a good one.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:26 And that's, you know, that's, that's why I love Jesus. That's why I love the message of Christianity.

Joe Rogan 1:17:30 Why don't you look into Jesus.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:32 Praise God.

Joe Rogan 1:17:32 He's got the answers.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:34 I lo-

Joe Rogan 1:17:34 You've heard that song, right?

Duncan Trussell 1:17:35 Yeah. Dude, are you, I'm-

Joe Rogan 1:17:36 That song is fucking great.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:37 It shows up on my gospel playlist.

Joe Rogan 1:17:38 Isn't it weird that that guy, like, that was it? That was like, that was his song. It's just like-

Duncan Trussell 1:17:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:44 ... this one song that was a banger. But you listen to the rest of him, you're like, "Mm."

Duncan Trussell 1:17:48 Dude, I know. That sucks.

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 Oh God, man.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:51 That's the worst.

Joe Rogan 1:17:52 There's a few of those guys we feel, you know Johnny Thunder? You know that song, I'm Alive?

Duncan Trussell 1:17:56 No.

Joe Rogan 1:17:56 Bro, I played that song for so many fucking people, including musicians, you know? I played it for Zach Bryan and he was like, "Woo." Like you hear it and people are like-

Duncan Trussell 1:18:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:04 ... "Goddamn." And it's from 1969.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:07 One hit wonder.

Joe Rogan 1:18:08 Dude, I don't even think it was a hit. There was another version of it that th- that his version of I'm Alive was a cover of.... and it was better than the original version. And it was so good. You're like, "If this guy can make this song, somebody needs to write for him, man. This guy's a star."

Duncan Trussell 1:18:25 Wow, man.

Joe Rogan 1:18:25 "This guy's got bangers." I mean, this was a fucking tremendous song, and it was just one.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:31 Dude, I know. It's like, that's got, that just is like... It's gotta be so scary, man. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:18:36 Oh, yeah, man.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:37 ... you know when you make a great movie, and then you gotta make your next movie-

Joe Rogan 1:18:40 Oh, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:41 And like, it's gotta be fucking good. Like, say, you make that movie. What's it called? Deus ex machina. You know that movie?

Joe Rogan 1:18:48 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:49 Yeah. And you're like, "Yeah, I gotta make another movie," and then you're like, "Civil War." And, "Oh, fuck." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:18:57 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:18:58 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:19:00 Uh, that's the-

Duncan Trussell 1:19:02 I didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:19:02 That is the guy, right?

Duncan Trussell 1:19:04 Alex Garland.

Joe Rogan 1:19:05 Oh, no.

Duncan Trussell 1:19:05 Man, I'm sorry, Alex Garland. Like, by the way, you're brilliant. Like, uh, like, I get it. Like, the attempt, I get it. And I... Who knows? You