Joe Rogan Experience #2159 - Sal Vulcano

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's up, Sam?

Sal Vulcano 0:14 What's up, brother? How you doing?

Joe Rogan 0:14 Good to see you, man. What's cracking?

Sal Vulcano 0:16 Nothing, thanks. So, thanks for having me, man.

Joe Rogan 0:17 My pleasure. What are you doing out here, man? What are you doing in Austin, Texas?

Sal Vulcano 0:20 Um, I got a ... My s- my special comes out today, actually.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Oh, shit.

Sal Vulcano 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Oh, shit.

Sal Vulcano 0:25 Special comes o- Terrified.

Joe Rogan 0:26 What's it on?

Sal Vulcano 0:27 Uh, YouTube.

Joe Rogan 0:28 That's the move.

Sal Vulcano 0:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:29 Yeah. I'm, I'm very happy when guys do that. Makes it easily accessible. It's the best thing for, like, distributing your stuff.

Sal Vulcano 0:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:36 People share it easy.

Sal Vulcano 0:38 It's nice that that's a g- uh, a v- ... like, a good option now, because when everybody turns you down ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:43 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 0:43 It's, it's a-

Joe Rogan 0:43 It's a great option.

Sal Vulcano 0:44 It's still like, "Well, I still got a good option."

Joe Rogan 0:46 But it's an option to ... I would think about it even if it, you know, even if I had other options, just 'cause I think-

Sal Vulcano 0:50 Now at this point, right?

Joe Rogan 0:50 ... it's like the best distribution plat- ... As long as they don't fucking censor you.

Sal Vulcano 0:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 Which is a little bit of an issue.

Sal Vulcano 0:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:56 You know, they're, they're owned by Google, and it's just like, whenever you're dealing with these giant corporations-

Sal Vulcano 1:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01 ... and there's all these fucking woke kids working for them, it's a lot of sketchy things happen.

Sal Vulcano 1:05 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05 But, but as far as a platform, it's the best.

Sal Vulcano 1:07 It's great, right?

Joe Rogan 1:08 Oh, it's so good.

Sal Vulcano 1:09 I, um, I don't really, like, I'm not, like, edgy like that, so I don't really have any of ... Uh, my edgier stuff is not that edgy.

Joe Rogan 1:15 That's good.

Sal Vulcano 1:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yeah, that's lucky. Yeah, the ... 'Cause, like, Ari Shaffir, when he was putting his out, I was like, "Urgh." You know?

Sal Vulcano 1:21 He executive produced it.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Oh, he's the one that produced yours?

Sal Vulcano 1:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Oh, that's nice.

Sal Vulcano 1:24 'Cause, uh ... And we're really tight, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26 I love that. Yeah, someone w- ... We were just talking about someone gave him shit for releasing his on YouTube. I'm like, "You're so shortsighted. It's so stupid."

Sal Vulcano 1:32 Well, look at it now.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Yeah, it's fucking huge. What does it have, like 7 million-

Sal Vulcano 1:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36 ... downloads or something like that?

Sal Vulcano 1:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah, people are stupid, man. They just have this silly idea of, like, these gatekeepers, these fucking institutions. Which, you know, look, you get a Netflix special, it's great. Like, the Tom Brodie r- roasts? Great. I'm happy-

Sal Vulcano 1:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:49 ... Netflix is doing cool shit like that.

Sal Vulcano 1:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51 It's awesome, but-

Sal Vulcano 1:52 Do you watch it through, three hours?

Joe Rogan 1:53 No.

Sal Vulcano 1:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:54 I watch Tony Hinchcliffe's set and Andrew Schulz's set, and that's it.

Sal Vulcano 1:56 You seen Nicky's?

Joe Rogan 1:57 I heard Nicky's was awesome. I haven't seen it yet.

Sal Vulcano 1:59 That's one of the three best, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59 I heard Nikki killed it.

Sal Vulcano 2:00 Yeah, she killed it.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Yeah. She goes hard. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 2:02 Yeah. Tony, Tony was ... He, she does it. (laughs) She d- she, she kills those roasts, man. She kills those roasts.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Yes. She's really good at roasts. She's strong. She's, she's got strong delivery, you know? She's got ... And even, like, she, when she was shitting on Jeff Ross, I did see that part, when she's apologizing (laughs) to him while she was shitting on him.

Sal Vulcano 2:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:21 Which is so Nikki Glaser.

Sal Vulcano 2:23 That-

Joe Rogan 2:23 She's so sweet.

Sal Vulcano 2:24 That, uh, that Hinchcliffe one with the r- uh, l- Liver King.

Joe Rogan 2:28 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 2:28 Is it ... You look like the l- ... I don't wanna fuck it up, but the Liver King and the l- and, uh, the Tiger King-

Joe Rogan 2:35 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 2:36 ... had a baby that looked like Martin Luther King-

Joe Rogan 2:40 Who got beat up by Rodney King.

Sal Vulcano 2:41 ... uh, beat up Rodney King and bit by the Lion King or some shit like that. I don't even know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:45 It was so ridiculous.

Sal Vulcano 2:47 It was a, it was a ride.

Joe Rogan 2:47 It was such a ride.

Sal Vulcano 2:48 By the time he finished it, he, he ... It was just like, by the time he, i- if he was one king shorter, I, I didn't think it would hit as well.

Joe Rogan 2:53 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 2:53 But that next king was the perfect fit.

Joe Rogan 2:54 It was a monster bit.

Sal Vulcano 2:55 It was five kings, I think.

Joe Rogan 2:56 It was a monster bit. And then the other one with Jeff was so Jewish, he only watches football for the coin toss. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 3:03 (laughs) That's great.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Bro, I fucking love a roast. I love a good roast joke, you know?

Sal Vulcano 3:09 You know what's so, so funny? It's like, there's, you know, it ... The Jewish ... It's like, you know where you're going with Jeff, or, you know, or, or Jewish or whatever. But it's like, you still let ... It's still like, I, you still find a new way to be like, "He watches it for the coin toss." You know what I mean? It's like, you can tell that joke a million ways.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Right, yeah.

Sal Vulcano 3:22 But you still, I'm still like, "Oh, my God, that's such a good way to tell it." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 3:26 Yeah. It's just, it's ... I think people have relaxed more with comedy over the last year or so, for whatever reason, culturally.

Sal Vulcano 3:33 It feels like it's dipped a little bit, that whole ...

Joe Rogan 3:35 I feel like people are tired of it all.

Sal Vulcano 3:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:37 They realize that it's all just fucking sanctimonious horseshit.

Sal Vulcano 3:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:40 You want any coffee? I've got some coffee if you want some of this.

Sal Vulcano 3:42 Uh, maybe after this, this throat coat.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Oh, throat coat.

Sal Vulcano 3:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Been doing a lot of shows? Is that what it is?

Sal Vulcano 3:48 Uh, actually, I have, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Or you got the COVID?

Sal Vulcano 3:50 No, I, I ... Well, my, my, uh, my babe got me s- ... My baby got me sick.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Ah.

Sal Vulcano 3:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:55 That'll do it.

Sal Vulcano 3:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:56 Those little kids get sick a lot.

Sal Vulcano 3:58 Yeah. She ... I, I was, like, fighting it for a while, and then a few days ago, it just took a dive.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Do you take vitamins?

Sal Vulcano 4:02 Every single day, and I get mocked for it.

Joe Rogan 4:04 You should not get mocked.

Sal Vulcano 4:06 My dad, growing up, he used to take-

Joe Rogan 4:08 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 4:08 We had one cabinet in the kitchen, one, and he opened it, and it, it was basically a mini GNC. (laughs) Not like GNC, but it was like, just ... And every day my whole life, I'd watch him throw down, like, 30, you know, pills and just swig it, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:21 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 4:21 And, uh, but m- me, I just, I feel like I have a weak immune system. I got a weak constitooche.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Yeah?

Sal Vulcano 4:27 So, like, I, I try to take, like, the, like, the ... I take, like, a liposomal c- ... It's all, like, I take a D, a B, a C.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Mm-hmm.

Sal Vulcano 4:34 I was taking, like, a multi, and then you start hearing, "Oh, it doesn't absorb, and you gotta take this one and that one."

Joe Rogan 4:39 Hmm.

Sal Vulcano 4:39 So I take all immunity stuff, echinacea, elderberry, um ... What the fuck else do I take?

Joe Rogan 4:44 What do you think causes your weak immune system? You ever thought about it?

Sal Vulcano 4:48 (inhales) Yeah, I think about it my whole entire life. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:50 What do you think it is?

Sal Vulcano 4:52 Um-

Joe Rogan 4:52 Think it's just a genetic thing?

Sal Vulcano 4:54 I don't know, 'cause no one of my, else in my family is like that. So that, that's what led me to becoming, like, a little bit of a germaphobe.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Oh.

Sal Vulcano 5:00 Because ... Or you wanna call it germaphobe. But I just know that if I put myself in the way of ... Like, if someone sneezes or s- ... If I, if I put myself in that, sometimes I can get a s- ... A common cold. H- how long does it take you to get rid of the common cold?

Joe Rogan 5:12 Like, a day.

Sal Vulcano 5:14 Yeah, but you're a sup- ... Yeah, but you're, like, you eat elk and-

Joe Rogan 5:17 Yeah, just, um, I d- ... You know, I've had a few that last a couple of days, but it's usually one day before I don't feel good. But I've only had a couple of those recently, and I assumed they were the new COVID.

Sal Vulcano 5:29 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 5:29 Yeah. I assume-

Sal Vulcano 5:30 And you got rid of it in a day? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:31 Yeah, I assumed this last one I got was the new COV- ... This last one I got, I didn't even, um, do the IV vitamins. I was just too busy to sit down and just ...

Sal Vulcano 5:40 What are they calling it?

Joe Rogan 5:42 (sighs)

Sal Vulcano 5:42 N- new COV- ... Like, new Coke?

Joe Rogan 5:43 There's so many strains, dude.

Sal Vulcano 5:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:45 I think we, we m- ... We did a thing where they were trying to ... We were reading about it online, where they were trying to document all the strains, and how many were they up to, Jamie?

Narrator 5:55 I have no idea, honestly.

Joe Rogan 5:56 It's a crazy number.

Sal Vulcano 5:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:57 There's a lot of strains.

Sal Vulcano 5:58 I thought there was, like, four strains.

Joe Rogan 5:59 There's a- ... No, no, no, no. There's-... like, dozens.

Sal Vulcano 6:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:02 And they keep coming around. New ones come around, new variants come around, you know?

Sal Vulcano 6:06 Um-

Joe Rogan 6:06 What they're saying is, like, "This is just how we're gonna be forever."

Sal Vulcano 6:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:10 Like, that stuff's just out there in the wild now.

Sal Vulcano 6:12 Yeah.

Narrator 6:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Those little gremlins.

Sal Vulcano 6:14 So that doesn't bode well for me. But I, uh, common cold, one, two weeks min.

Joe Rogan 6:19 Really?

Sal Vulcano 6:20 Yeah. I've had, I've had a cold, like, five, six weeks at m- many times.

Joe Rogan 6:24 Wow.

Sal Vulcano 6:24 Lingering. Not like, you know, full-on.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Do you ever do IV vitamins?

Sal Vulcano 6:28 I, uh, I've only done it twice in my life. It's so funny, uh, when we... I shot the special in December in Chicago and, uh, the day of, I woke up and I was... and I had a cold. I, I... just 'cause I was just running myself into the ground, right? So I woke up, my throat was like... it was hurting me, it was like scratchy. I... my voice was raspy and I had, like, no energy. I'm like, ugh, freaking the fuck out, right? So (coughs) I get to the theater and I'm telling them, like, "I don't know what to do. Like, I feel so weak, I gotta do something." So, Ari's feeding me these, uh... all day long, he's feeding me these, uh, B- Berocca tablets. They're like these vitamin-dissolving tablets that are just-

Joe Rogan 7:02 Right, he's into those.

Sal Vulcano 7:03 Yeah, they're like a hun-... you know, billion percent whatever, right? So he's feeding me those and then I get to the place and, uh, they get me the IV and the guy gives me a B12 shot.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 7:15 And then I had just started Vyvanse.

Joe Rogan 7:18 What's that?

Sal Vulcano 7:19 It's, uh, for ADHD. So it's like an Adderall almost.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Oh, no.

Sal Vulcano 7:23 And I had just started it a few days earlier so I'm like not really... it hasn't really like... I'm not really regulated to it yet. And I just didn't (laughs) realize that his... the tablets Ari would give me, I looked back afterwards and they were like ca-... they all had caffeine.

Joe Rogan 7:37 Oh, Jesus.

Sal Vulcano 7:37 And then I got this B12 shot 20 minutes before I... the first show-

Narrator 7:40 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 7:41 ... and I was on the Vyvanse-

Narrator 7:42 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 7:42 ... which is Adderall, and it was the highest dose. (laughs)

Narrator 7:44 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 7:45 I, I didn't realize that this was all happening to me and, like, three minutes before I went out, I was the most wired I ever was in my entire life of 40... like, I- I just was... I was like literally... and it... and then I had the adrenaline just 'cause the sh-... it was the t-... my first taping, you know what I mean? Oh my God, dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:00 And I, I f-... (laughs) shit, I fucking read it-

Narrator 8:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:02 ... and stroke out.

Sal Vulcano 8:03 I was holding my hand-

Narrator 8:04 Ugh.

Sal Vulcano 8:04 ... and it was doing this.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Sal Vulcano 8:06 And I was like, "Ari, you gave me three of these fucking things today. Every one of them has 200 milligrams of caffeine."

Joe Rogan 8:10 Oh my God.

Sal Vulcano 8:10 He's like, "I didn't give you three." I'm like, "You gave me three."

Narrator 8:13 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 8:13 He said... it's... "You didn't give me... you gave... how do you look me in the face?"

Narrator 8:17 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 8:17 I was... I... we were both there. I was... it's not like it... I'm telling... hearing it secondhand.

Narrator 8:21 (sighs)

Sal Vulcano 8:21 And then the B-... I think the B12-

Narrator 8:23 Ugh.

Sal Vulcano 8:23 ... shot just put it over the top.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Oh my God.

Sal Vulcano 8:25 And it was like, just the-

Joe Rogan 8:26 What an accommodation.

Sal Vulcano 8:27 ... timing was bad. I didn't use one second from show one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:31 Oh my God. (laughs) Not one-

Sal Vulcano 8:33 Not one second.

Joe Rogan 8:34 The... is th-... is it like a Adderall or is it-

Sal Vulcano 8:37 It's Adderall.

Joe Rogan 8:37 ... like a cause-... it's Adderall? It's basically Adderall?

Sal Vulcano 8:39 It's, it's, it's... yeah, it's like same exact thing.

Joe Rogan 8:42 And why did you think you needed that? Why do you think you needed an Adderall?

Sal Vulcano 8:45 (laughs) I mean, I suffer from ADHD and a little OCD for like my whole life and it got-

Joe Rogan 8:50 Wait, so what does that mean? Like, uh, when you say-

Sal Vulcano 8:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:52 ... ADHD, how does it manifest itself in your life? Or what do-

Sal Vulcano 8:55 So many ways. Um, mainly the thing that affects my life, uh, is I can't focus. I can't focus on something for... if... especially if, if I'm... like there's up and down days-

Joe Rogan 9:07 Mm-hmm.

Sal Vulcano 9:07 ... but like, I can't f-... I can't focus on something for more than like... if I'm trying to complete something, I won't complete it.

Joe Rogan 9:13 Like what kind of stuff?

Sal Vulcano 9:14 Like if I'm wri-... if I'm writing or if-

Joe Rogan 9:16 Uh-huh.

Sal Vulcano 9:16 ... I have just stuff to do, pay me-... anything at all. Paying bills, is that... anything that where I have to use my mind, like you know what I mean? I'll be... I'll plant my ass down and I'll be trying to like write or send an email or whatever, my leg is shaking like crazy because I- I- I- I don't wanna sit there, I just like... and I just... it- it's helped because I can multitask like 500 things at once-

Joe Rogan 9:35 Mm-hmm.

Sal Vulcano 9:36 ... but it also hurts because I... it's really hard to get something done, I can't remember anything so I only... I have like 50 lists in my phone, they're all labeled and prioritized. That helps me, but I have to use that otherwise I won't remember anything.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Right.

Sal Vulcano 9:50 Um, I- I ca-... I have trouble reading. Like I- I- I'll read a page and then I will be like, "I have no idea what was on that page," and I have to read the page again, so I end up reading really slow.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Is it with everything you read or is it only some stuff?

Sal Vulcano 10:03 It's-

Joe Rogan 10:03 Like, is there anything that you read where that's not a p-... a problem?

Sal Vulcano 10:06 Books are tough, like long-form reading is tough.

Joe Rogan 10:09 Like fiction or non-fiction, anything?

Sal Vulcano 10:11 Just... like just a lot of pages in between two covers.

Joe Rogan 10:13 Mm-hmm.

Sal Vulcano 10:14 It... the genre doesn't play into the factor, but-

Joe Rogan 10:16 It doesn't... so not even like a really... like there's not one book that just captivated you and you, like, easily could read it?

Sal Vulcano 10:22 Yeah, I mean that's... I mean when I'm really... uh, I mean, like I said, there's good and bad days so like-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Mm-hmm.

Sal Vulcano 10:26 ... if I'm reading like a biography or something where I'm really into it, uh, I don't really read fiction.

Joe Rogan 10:30 Oh, okay.

Sal Vulcano 10:31 Yeah. But I b-... but like I like biographies really, so-

Joe Rogan 10:33 Oh, okay.

Sal Vulcano 10:34 ... if something like that, uh, um, you know, but honestly I... it's, it's, uh, it's really tough. I actually... that's... I really don't read as much as... you know how many books I- I've bought? I have a lot of books but I just... so many aren't opened. I just... I, I, I have-

Joe Rogan 10:45 (laughs) Like one day I'm gonna read that.

Sal Vulcano 10:46 Dude, I have this guilt that I-

Joe Rogan 10:47 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 10:47 ... I think about that I'm... when I w-... I know I'm not gonna do it. Like I'm like I- I owe it to myself to read all these books and I just keep picturing myself like on my deathbed being like, "The books, I gotta..." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 10:59 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 10:59 Like just... I- I- I just want to read that b-... you know, it's like it's wasted money.

Joe Rogan 11:03 It is.

Sal Vulcano 11:03 You know?

Joe Rogan 11:03 But it's also it's nice to have books in your house.

Sal Vulcano 11:06 It is.

Joe Rogan 11:07 I have this weird theory about books that I haven't read that are cool. It's like at least they're near me, at least I'm getting the energy off of that book, that really good book. Like whoever wrote it, whatever it is-

Sal Vulcano 11:17 Yeah, I can see that.

Joe Rogan 11:17 ... like if I know that book's awesome, it's sitting right there.

Sal Vulcano 11:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 11:20 D- I can't even listen to audio c-... you think audiobooks would be the solve.

Joe Rogan 11:24 It doesn't help you?

Sal Vulcano 11:24 But I know I can't listen to someone... unless it's really, really good, but it's like hard to listen to someone drone on, you know? Like...

Joe Rogan 11:31 It's hard, but a lot of them are really good at it. There's s- some really good voice-over actor guys.

Sal Vulcano 11:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:38 And including they do fiction so they do a bunch of different voices.

Sal Vulcano 11:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:41 It's a real art form now.

Sal Vulcano 11:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:43 It's almost like old-timey radio stories or something.

Sal Vulcano 11:46 That... yeah, that I love. I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 11:48 I love it.

Sal Vulcano 11:48 My buddy I'm on a... I do a show with, um, he ha-... he has a bunch of books out published and, uh, one of the things we... ah, when does this come out? He's gonna s-... ah, I don't know if I'm supposed to say. So we do a lot of se-... keep a lot of secrets from each other-

Joe Rogan 12:01 Right.

Sal Vulcano 12:01 ... and then surprise each other on, on the show. The show for... if you- if you don't know, people don't know, it's just called Impractical Jokers. It's me and my buddies of 35 years.

Joe Rogan 12:07 Fucking huge show, dude. It's gigantic.

Sal Vulcano 12:10 It's crazy, yeah, it's, um-

Joe Rogan 12:10 Congratulations.

Sal Vulcano 12:11 Thank you so much. Thank you, man.

Joe Rogan 12:12 I remember when, uh, guys were talking about it in the parking lot of the store when it was just blowing up and people were talking about your shows that you were doing. You guys were doing shows and they were just mobbed and everybody's like, "This sh-... like that show is huge."

Sal Vulcano 12:25 Yeah, it was wild. Not expected or anything. It was on TruTV, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:29 Yeah, which is like a... not a network where people really blow up from, right?

Sal Vulcano 12:33 There's a f-

Joe Rogan 12:34 I- w-... but it just shows you if something's fun, people find it.

Sal Vulcano 12:37 Yeah, I mean, there-

Joe Rogan 12:37 You know?

Sal Vulcano 12:37 ... well, there was nothing like... they only did... they had... no joke, they had two different pawn shows-

Narrator 12:43 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 12:44 ... two, three... this is when we got on, they had two different pawn shows-

Narrator 12:47 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 12:47 ... three, three different towing shows.

Joe Rogan 12:50 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 12:51 ... and two storage shows. That was the whole... And then they showed, like, like, the, uh, stupidest criminals of all time, like, run through.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 12:58 And that was it. So we, we were the first comedy, so I guess it kind of w- resonated on the channel because we were, like, alone in, in that manner.

Joe Rogan 13:05 I heard a lot of those storage shows are fugazi.

Sal Vulcano 13:08 Y- so much of all the reality stuff is com-

Joe Rogan 13:10 Oh, a lot of it is, yeah.

Sal Vulcano 13:12 I mean, I'd say 95%.

Joe Rogan 13:14 There's a lot of finagling going on behind the scenes with the truth just to, for narratives and stuff.

Sal Vulcano 13:19 If you pause the credits, like, there's always like that fine print in the credits.

Joe Rogan 13:22 Oh, yeah.

Sal Vulcano 13:22 I think they have to say that.

Joe Rogan 13:23 They're allowed to, like, they use it to create a theatrical piece that's not necessarily representative of what actually happened. I mean, bro, they've been looking for Bigfoot for nine seasons now. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 13:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:35 Well, no, it's more than that, right? How many of these... (laughs) How many seasons-

Sal Vulcano 13:38 Ghosts.

Joe Rogan 13:38 ... of Finding Bigfoot?

Guest 13:39 Versions of the show that are, like, re- Refinding them or research the space for-

Sal Vulcano 13:42 Refinding them.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Refinding again.

Sal Vulcano 13:45 There's so many.

Joe Rogan 13:47 That's crazy.

Sal Vulcano 13:47 So many fucking dorks in the woods looking for nothing.

Joe Rogan 13:50 Even, um, ghosts. It's like-

Guest 13:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:52 ... th- I mean, th- people... Not, uh, they don't- I'm more interested in ghosts than I am Bigfoot.

Sal Vulcano 13:57 Me too.

Joe Rogan 13:57 'Cause, uh, the thing about Bigfoot is, like, I think it was probably a real animal, and I think there's some ancient stories that are passed down for thousands of years.

Sal Vulcano 14:06 Sure.

Joe Rogan 14:06 I think. I think that's probably what it was. But ghosts are weird because they're in every culture.

Sal Vulcano 14:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:13 And I haven't experienced a ghost, but I imagine if I did, trying to explain it to someone and not sounding like a fucking maniac, like just a crazy person, "Oh, I saw a ghost."

Sal Vulcano 14:23 L- Let me try.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Okay, you seen one?

Sal Vulcano 14:25 Didn't see one, but here's the thing. I don't believe in ghosts.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Oh, okay.

Sal Vulcano 14:28 But then I had this happen to me and now I don't really know what to, like, what to feel.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Cue the spooky music.

Sal Vulcano 14:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:34 Any spooky music over there, Jamie?

Guest 14:36 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 14:36 My family believes in ghosts. They're like, they're all for it.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Mm.

Sal Vulcano 14:39 My sister had a thing. She lived at home and she came home one day and she opened the door to her room and every single one of her closet, uh, drawers were open. Every, every single thing that could be opened in the room was open. And it freaked her out a little bit, and she asked, uh, if anyone did it. And it was just my, my stepmom and my dad, they said no. And she was like, uh, felt uncomfortable ab- about that. And then she closed everything and then, like, whatever. She used to lock it after that. And then she'd lock, and one day, like months later, she had locked it again, when she opened it they were all open again. I tell her I don't even believe, like I don't, I don't know what I... She's not lying to me, but I don't know what to make of it, but I don't think it's a ghost. But my grandfather-

Joe Rogan 15:20 That's not that spooky. (laughs) That's like The Hulk.

Guest 15:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:22 Like, that's way too loud for the Hulk.

Sal Vulcano 15:23 Yeah, I, I, I was about to get, I was about to get a massage.

Joe Rogan 15:25 (laughs) Yeah, that was like, waiting for the candles to be lit.

Sal Vulcano 15:29 Um, but my grandpa-

Joe Rogan 15:30 Relax.

Sal Vulcano 15:30 My grandfather d- died in the house, but like, I don't know. You know?

Joe Rogan 15:33 Mm.

Sal Vulcano 15:34 But this is not, that's not... But I'm just saying, one night I was home.

Joe Rogan 15:38 There we go.

Sal Vulcano 15:39 It was foggy out. And, uh, no sorry. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:43 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 15:44 Um, uh, so I was just, I used to live alone, and I'm just, uh, I'm in bed and I'm getting... You know, I'm laying in bed, my television is on. And I, I do lock, even when I live alone, I lock my bedroom door when I go to sleep. I lock my bathroom door when I'm taking a shower. I always have. Right? So I l- my door's locked and I'm laying there and I'm watching TV and I, uh, I sleep with a CPAP, right? So I, what's good about that is, like, I can go all the way under the covers like a cocoon and I still have a form of to breathe. So I like wrap myself up like a fucking burrito for real.

Joe Rogan 16:20 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 16:20 It's so delightful.

Joe Rogan 16:21 With the CPAP machine on.

Sal Vulcano 16:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:23 So you're breathing, you're scuba diving.

Sal Vulcano 16:24 There's just a hose coming out of it.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Bro, you're scuba diving in your sleep.

Sal Vulcano 16:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:27 That's so crazy.

Sal Vulcano 16:29 So, so I, um, I love it. So I w- I wrap myself up, over my head and everything. And what I really do, like what's really fun when you're in there is to like just poke out a foot or just-

Joe Rogan 16:39 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 16:39 ... or a hand.

Joe Rogan 16:40 That's really fun.

Sal Vulcano 16:41 And just get like a cool breeze.

Joe Rogan 16:43 And then wonder about what's under the bed that's gonna bite your feet.

Sal Vulcano 16:46 Sure, a little bit.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Right?

Sal Vulcano 16:47 It depends on the night, right? But like, (laughs) you know?

Joe Rogan 16:49 That foot that's out there-

Sal Vulcano 16:50 I was-

Joe Rogan 16:50 ... dangling does feel very real.

Sal Vulcano 16:51 I don't like haunts, I will tell you that. I don't believe in ghosts. But like haunted houses and scares, we can get into that later.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Wait a minute. What's the difference? What are they haunted by?

Sal Vulcano 16:59 Well, like, you know, like fake ones even, I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Oh.

Sal Vulcano 17:01 I don't even like, I don't even like the, the, go through the...

Joe Rogan 17:04 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 17:05 You know I don't like that shit. But it's not, it's less about-

Joe Rogan 17:07 Uh, that's funny because the guy likes to play jokes on people, you would think.

Sal Vulcano 17:11 W- Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, I, I... Do I really play jokes on... I don't know if I, what I do really. I, it's like-

Joe Rogan 17:14 Pranks.

Sal Vulcano 17:15 Yeah, it's like the four of us.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Fuck around. It's fun.

Sal Vulcano 17:18 Yeah, there, there was crazy shit we did, but, um...

Joe Rogan 17:21 You don't like a good haunted house? Like ah, they jump out of nowhere and scare the fuck out of you.

Sal Vulcano 17:24 I'll tell you how much I don't like that.

Joe Rogan 17:26 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 17:28 We, we went, uh, o- on the show they know I don't like it, so they created... One time they put me in a cornfield and they made it haunted and I had to navigate it. And then the next time they upped it and they got an old mansion and they completely built it all out and made it haunted and then just put me in there, locked the door and made me alone in the mansion with this... Like, and it's...

Joe Rogan 17:49 Did you want to really see like a collection of shit that'll freak you out? Go to Zak Bagans' thing in Vegas.

Sal Vulcano 17:56 Oh, is that that like thing where they get really weird with you?

Joe Rogan 17:59 He's got this-

Sal Vulcano 17:59 Like it's a visceral thing, like they put a gun in your throat and stuff like that?

Joe Rogan 18:02 No, no, no, no, no. He's got this crazy mansion in Vegas that's like a museum of haunted shit. A museum of like, like they have, um, uh, Dr. Kevorkian, the, the van where he killed people. They have the van.

Sal Vulcano 18:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Yeah, they have, uh, a bunch of stuff that Ted Bone- Bundy owned and a bunch of stuff that Ed Gein owned.

Sal Vulcano 18:25 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a creepy fucking place.

Sal Vulcano 18:28 This is the one, I had the, the thing on my ph- this is the... (laughs)

Guest 18:33 Stupid. Oh, you're gross. Ah!

Joe Rogan 18:37 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 18:42 I...

Joe Rogan 18:43 Ugh.

Sal Vulcano 18:43 Yeah. I mean, look... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:46 Uh-huh.

Sal Vulcano 18:46 See now, I know what I, I had to threaten that girl because I know... Look, I, here's the deal. I, she's not a ghost. I know she's not anything like that.

Joe Rogan 18:53 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 18:53 Look, I'm not crazy. I just mean, I just don't like-... be the jump scares. I don't like it.

Joe Rogan 18:58 (laughs) Right.

Sal Vulcano 18:58 Like, in the cornfield they had a little girl, right? And I was 20 minutes into this cornfield where there's no labor laws here. This girl's just standing there waiting for me. She's in, like, a- a- a dress. She's a little girl with pigtails. And I see her in the distance and I go, "Is that a little girl?" And then she just raised her hand and pointed at me.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Oh, boy.

Sal Vulcano 19:15 And I had to follow this path that they laid out and it went past, it had to go past the girl.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Right.

Sal Vulcano 19:21 I don't know how to explain it, man. I- I know, like- like, I know that they did this to me, right? But yeah, (laughs) I was like, "I will, I know you're a little girl but I will fucking punch you," I told her. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:30 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 19:30 I said, 'cause when I went past her, I'm like, "I know you're a girl."

Joe Rogan 19:32 Shut up.

Sal Vulcano 19:32 I was like, "Look, I know I can beat you up. Don't jump scare me because I'm liable to punch you, I'm letting you know right now." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:38 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 19:38 That was, that was the little girl.

Joe Rogan 19:39 Yeah. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 19:41 (coughs) But, um, wait, so I'll double back on this one. I, so I-

Joe Rogan 19:45 Corn is fucking scary to get lost in.

Sal Vulcano 19:47 Corn maze?

Joe Rogan 19:48 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 19:48 It's terrible.

Joe Rogan 19:49 It's really weird. Like, there's a maze, there's a place in California where they have a- a farm and they have a corn maze, you can walk around this maze, it's fun because you know you can eventually get out.

Sal Vulcano 19:58 Go in it night alone.

Joe Rogan 19:59 But you get lost-

Sal Vulcano 20:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:00 ... in this maze. You get really lost and it's kind of confusing and now imagine this is thousands of acres.

Sal Vulcano 20:06 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:07 And you're in the center of it with no water and you have no idea. You might be walking around in circles, you really have no idea.

Sal Vulcano 20:12 You may as well be on, like, the mountains where people die in.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Yeah, you, people die in cornfields, man. That's a real thing, like-

Sal Vulcano 20:18 I mean, I feel like yeah, it depends how dense it is. I mean, if I was ever in that situation, I'd just go straight and not stop.

Joe Rogan 20:25 I wonder how many people over in history have died in cornfields? Just heat exhaustion.

Sal Vulcano 20:33 S- 11.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Get lo... 11?

Sal Vulcano 20:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:35 That's what you think?

Sal Vulcano 20:35 We had looked it up because-

Joe Rogan 20:36 For real?

Sal Vulcano 20:37 No.

Joe Rogan 20:37 Let's guess.

Sal Vulcano 20:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:39 Let's say a guess.

Sal Vulcano 20:39 I wanna guess but then I, it's gonna suck because I'm like-

Joe Rogan 20:41 All time, I think 11's a solid number. I think 11's, like, a good guess.

Sal Vulcano 20:44 (sighs) No.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Like, 11 people over the course of America have died in cornfields.

Sal Vulcano 20:48 No, back in the day?

Joe Rogan 20:49 A lot.

Sal Vulcano 20:50 Th- think about that.

Joe Rogan 20:51 But they didn't have monocrop agriculture back then.

Sal Vulcano 20:54 I don't even know what that is.

Joe Rogan 20:55 That's, like, these giant cornfields where-

Sal Vulcano 20:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 20:57 ... where, like, in this country right now, look this up because I think it's true. I think 5% of the land mass of the United States is being used for cornfields.

Sal Vulcano 21:11 That's still, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:13 That's fucking crazy.

Sal Vulcano 21:13 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 21:14 That's so crazy. I think that's correct.

Sal Vulcano 21:18 The one time... (laughs) The guy on my show, uh, that I-

Joe Rogan 21:21 By the way, I just read the headline of that, I'll be real clear.

Sal Vulcano 21:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:24 I didn't even read the whole article. I just read the headline.

Sal Vulcano 21:27 Oh, okay, okay. Well, this guy, he-

Joe Rogan 21:29 So this might not be correct.

Sal Vulcano 21:29 He put a cornfield in his yard, he has five acres, he built the cornfield registered as a farm so he could get tax breaks. He has to sell $50,000 worth of corn in order to get it.

Joe Rogan 21:37 So-

Sal Vulcano 21:38 I'm trying to do that right now.

Joe Rogan 21:39 ... how much corn is $50,000 worth of corn?

Sal Vulcano 21:41 I have no clue. It's, it feels like a lot to me.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Isn't it funny-

Sal Vulcano 21:43 Because if you've seen how-

Joe Rogan 21:44 ... the government subsidizes corn?

Sal Vulcano 21:46 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 21:47 Well, you know where it all came from? It came from World War II. So during the war, like, people need food and they wanted to make sure that in the future they would have stockpiles of food. You know, like, the war had just ended but who knows what's gonna happen now with Russia?

Sal Vulcano 22:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:02 We could be into it again. Let's prepare. And they started subsidizing corn production. Then they just started using corn for all kinds of extra stuff-

Sal Vulcano 22:10 Traffic. Right.

Joe Rogan 22:11 ... that you're not supposed to use it for, like oil.

Sal Vulcano 22:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:14 You know, or you know, sh- corn syrup.

Sal Vulcano 22:16 Corn syrup, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:17 That stuff's fucking...

Narrator 22:18 I can't find the percentage which I'm trying to get to but I've got 97 million acres which is about the same size as California.

Joe Rogan 22:25 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 22:26 What?

Joe Rogan 22:27 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 22:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:28 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 22:29 Oh, there's no shortage of that then.

Joe Rogan 22:31 There's so much corn. Okay, so like what percentage of that is...

Narrator 22:34 That's-

Joe Rogan 22:34 California's gotta be more than 5% of the country, right?

Narrator 22:37 Mm, nah. It's tough.

Sal Vulcano 22:38 You think so?

Narrator 22:39 Because Alas- I mean, they're not counting Alaska but-

Joe Rogan 22:40 Right, Alaska's so big.

Narrator 22:42 ... Alaska's, like, makes up, doubles, thirds.

Sal Vulcano 22:44 What-

Joe Rogan 22:44 Alaska's, like, way bigger than Texas and Texas is enormous. I think Alaska's, like, three Texases.

Narrator 22:50 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 22:50 Really?

Joe Rogan 22:51 I think so.

Sal Vulcano 22:51 What percentage of that corn do you think we're consuming and what's going to waste?

Joe Rogan 22:54 (sighs) I don't know if it's a waste thing, it just goes... Because you can use it for so many different things. You can use it to make alcohol, you can use it to make corn syrup, you can use it to make oil.

Sal Vulcano 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:06 You know, I think they're just... It's like a money racket. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 23:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:10 It's like they've cornered this market and people were better off when they were using actual sugar and people were better off when they weren't eating corn syrup in fucking everything. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 23:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:20 It's just not good for you and then, you know, what people think is corn or canola oil, that's not canola oil. That's rapeseed oil. That's an industrial lubricant that they figured out a way to refine down to the point where human beings can eat it and not die immediately (laughs) and people fucking put it on everything.

Sal Vulcano 23:40 This is the first time, like, I've really, like, in the last, like, 10 years, whatever. When I was a kid, we didn't eat... I mean, like, my parents, like, I've got... I love them but, like, we didn't eat fresh vegetables. We had canned everything.

Joe Rogan 23:51 It says about a third of America's corn crop is used for feeding cattle, hogs and poultry in the US. Corn provides the carbs in animal feed, while soybeans provide the protein. It takes a couple of bushels of American corn to make corn fed steak. By some estimates, a beef cow can eat a ton of corn if raised in a feedlot. Both dairy cows and beef cows also consume silage which is fermented cornstalks and other green plants. Um, so a third of the corn crop is used to make ethanol which serves as renewable fuel or additive to gasoline.

Sal Vulcano 24:22 Oh, shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:22 The rest of the corn crop is used for human food, beverages and industrial uses in the US or exported to other countries for food or feed use. It's used to make breakfast cereal, tortilla chips, grits, canned beer, soda, cooking oil-

Sal Vulcano 24:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:37 ... biodegradable packing materials. Have you ever watched that documentary, King Corn?

Sal Vulcano 24:42 No.

Joe Rogan 24:42 It's great. It's a good corn...

Sal Vulcano 24:44 King Corn?

Joe Rogan 24:44 It's a good one to watch. That's... It's a giant industry that's not good for us (laughs) that's like... All the things that it does, like, you could deal with other things and you'd be better off.

Sal Vulcano 24:54 Right, right, right. And this is not, this is-

Joe Rogan 24:56 ... captive.

Guest 24:56 It'll never change.

Joe Rogan 24:58 Also, corn on the cob is fucking delicious.

Guest 25:00 That's the best corn.

Joe Rogan 25:01 It's great.

Guest 25:01 That's the best form of corn.

Joe Rogan 25:02 There's nothing wrong with corn.

Guest 25:03 I love corn on the cob.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Corn's great. I like, um, why like-

Guest 25:06 Why is it so much better off the cob?

Joe Rogan 25:07 ... cream of corn soup. Cream of corn soup is great.

Guest 25:09 I haven't had that in-

Joe Rogan 25:10 Oh, I love that.

Guest 25:10 ... I ve- maybe had that three times in my life.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Cream corn? You ever have creamed corn?

Guest 25:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Like at a steakhouse?

Guest 25:14 Yeah, yeah. Gotta.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Corn's great. Don't get me wrong.

Guest 25:17 Yeah. But on the cob, it's like-

Joe Rogan 25:18 It's the best.

Guest 25:18 The sweet corn, that sweetcorn?

Joe Rogan 25:20 Oh, with butter?

Guest 25:20 Butter and salt.

Joe Rogan 25:21 When you take the butter and the butter like takes on the shape of the corn cob because you're just reckless-

Guest 25:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:26 ... you're running a whole stick of butter around that.

Guest 25:28 You fill all the... You feel the whol... That's how I do it.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Oh, yeah. Om, nom, nom.

Guest 25:29 You hold the co... You hold the stick and go like this.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Oh, yeah, dude.

Guest 25:33 Yeah. Ah.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Fucking, uh, sweet corn fresh off the grill with butter, ugh. One of the best things in the world.

Guest 25:39 Just th... Like a typewriter.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Oh, my God. It's so delicious.

Guest 25:42 Yeah. Three, four of those things.

Joe Rogan 25:43 So delicious.

Guest 25:43 I don't know why they're better. And you take that same exact corn and you like kind of put it... Just take it off. It's good, but it's, it's just better on the cob.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Yeah, it's also you're getting the melted butter and all the kernels-

Guest 25:54 Yeah. It's the perfect-

Joe Rogan 25:54 ... and it's in your mouth while you're biting into it.

Guest 25:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Oh, yeah.

Guest 25:58 Mm. You know what else they used corn cobs for?

25:59 What?

26:00 In the 1800s?

26:01 Pipes.

26:01 Well, before toilet pap-

26:02 Popeye.

26:02 No, before toilet paper.

Joe Rogan 26:03 Whoa.

Guest 26:05 (laughs)

26:05 No shit.

Joe Rogan 26:05 Jesus Christ.

Guest 26:07 Whoa. To wipe their asses?

26:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Can you imagine how rough their assholes were back then? (laughs)

Guest 26:10 Because it catches... Wh- why wo... Why? Because of the shape?

26:13 I think it's because they had it, I think. (laughs) I mean...

Joe Rogan 26:14 'Cause they just were just dummies.

Guest 26:16 Whatever the case is, like-

Joe Rogan 26:16 They were living in a dumbass time. (laughs)

Guest 26:18 Early North American sailors used corn cob.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Oh, god.

Guest 26:21 They were abundant, soft, and easy to handle.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Ugh. Blegh.

Guest 26:26 (laughs)

26:26 That is... (laughs)

26:27 I think that the sailors used something they called a tow rag.

Joe Rogan 26:29 By the way, back then, they didn't have running water, so it's not like they're washing these things off.

Guest 26:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:33 If you're a sailor with a corn cob, you're gonna use that corn cob over and over again. You could be smearing new shit over the area where the old shit's dried up.

Guest 26:41 They dangled it in the water to clean it off.

Joe Rogan 26:43 Ugh.

Guest 26:45 (laughs)

26:45 Oh, God, dude.

Joe Rogan 26:45 (Laughs) "Only a bit of a dangle." (laughs)

Guest 26:47 (laughs)

26:47 "Will fix her up, lad."

Joe Rogan 26:48 Yeah.

Guest 26:48 Aye.

Joe Rogan 26:48 Do you ever think about like how-

Guest 26:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:51 How we got... Like how people would have sex back then? Like ho- how would people still fuck back then?

Guest 26:54 They were disgusting things.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Think about how many years. It's only like the last 100 years that people aren't disgusted. (laughs)

Guest 27:00 Yeah. We were talking about Saint Agnes, who went his whole life... Was it Saint Agnes?

27:04 Yeah, I mean, back t... Anyway. Take your pick, take your pick.

27:06 Went his whole life-

27:07 Once a year.

27:07 ... without having a bath. How did... I- i- his whole li-

27:11 Yeah. (laughs)

27:11 He copped to that?

27:12 If it was once a year, it was a lot.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Yeah. No, no, it wasn't even that. It was like you were supposed to do that.

Guest 27:16 Oh.

Joe Rogan 27:17 Yeah. Like bathing was thought of as like a ridiculous thing to do.

Guest 27:21 I mean, day three, it starts to be a problem.

Joe Rogan 27:24 I don't know what happens.

Guest 27:26 How long do you live? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:26 I wonder what happens. Like what just happens if you never bathe?

Guest 27:30 But I do-

Joe Rogan 27:30 Like we just assume that you have to bathe. Maybe that's the source of a lot of our problems. We're not like covered in dirt and bacteria all the time like we're supposed to be, like a normal animal.

Guest 27:40 Maybe that warded off-

Joe Rogan 27:41 And like interacting.

Guest 27:42 Maybe that warded off like pre-

Joe Rogan 27:44 I bet e... Nah, it didn't, didn't. It d-

Guest 27:46 No.

Joe Rogan 27:46 It didn't stop predators.

Guest 27:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:48 No, not at all.

Guest 27:49 You don't think a... You don't think a T-Rex would be like, "Ugh"?

Joe Rogan 27:51 I don't know how we made it so far.

Guest 27:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:53 I really don't. I really don't. I don't understand it. I mean, I know it was the invention of weapons and tools and stuff and h... Building houses, but goddamn, we're so weak. Like how much different were we back then? We are so fucking weak. I c- just can't imagine us without the houses and the weapons. Like how did we even make it that far? And how much of a change was it once we developed the houses and the weapons? Because we're... We are so bitch ass, like as an animal.

Guest 28:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Even if you're fit and in shape. If you're f... Even if like you're a UFC fighter.

Guest 28:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:25 You're like Islam Makhachev. To compare to the nature world, our animal species is so bitch ass.

Guest 28:33 Right, right, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:33 We're so bitch ass.

Guest 28:34 Right. We-

Joe Rogan 28:35 It's insane that we made it this far.

Guest 28:37 Yeah, it is. I guess just-

Joe Rogan 28:38 Like just the fact that we even survived to the point where we made a... Like a bow and arrow. Like how?

Guest 28:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:45 How did everything not just run up on us and eat us?

Guest 28:47 Uh, I don't know. And it's like the da... Like I always think about this too, like the, the first... There's always the first time, first person.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Mm-hmm.

Guest 28:54 Like the f... There's the o... There was one person who was like, "Oh, shit. Hol- hold on a second."

Joe Rogan 29:00 I guess.

Guest 29:00 And now, I- I mean-

Joe Rogan 29:01 I guess they probably like, um, stepped on things and cut themselves with it-

Guest 29:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:06 ... and then realized they could pick those things up and cut other things with it, and then they figured out how to make those things.

Guest 29:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:11 You know?

Guest 29:12 And then we got email.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Then we got email.

Guest 29:14 Fast-forward.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Fast-forward, you got AI.

Guest 29:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 Fast-forward. Yeah, I mean, could you fucking imagine being born, you know, in Africa 500,000 years ago? Just... (laughs)

Guest 29:28 If you put me in Africa now.

Joe Rogan 29:29 (laughs)

Guest 29:30 I- i- i- ... If you put me in the w... In the n- in the forest right now.

Joe Rogan 29:34 In the Congo, right?

Guest 29:34 If you put me anywhere right now.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Right.

Guest 29:36 I'm, I'm done. I don't know any... I don't know how to make a fire. I don't really... I don't know how to... I don't know anything. I can't explain anything. I can't explain-

29:43 Oh, there's-

29:43 ... to you how mirrors work.

Joe Rogan 29:43 There's some places like, uh... I was reading this thing... No, it was ac... It was actually Paul Rosolie. Paul Rosolie was talking about this, that like if you get caught in the Amazon, do not try to make a fire because you won't be able to and it'll break your spirit. Like you're not gonna be able to make a fire.

Guest 29:59 I didn't think that's where you were going with that. (laughs) I think-

Joe Rogan 30:01 Y- if you're lo... If you're lost in the Amazon, forget a fire. It's not gonna happen.

Guest 30:05 So your broken spirit will kill you before the- the elements?

Joe Rogan 30:07 You, you, you will realize how hopeless your plight is when it is impossible-

Guest 30:12 Ah.

Joe Rogan 30:12 ... for you to make a fire. So now you're gonna realize that everything that you eat is gonna be raw, and you're gonna have to catch things and eat them raw to stay alive.

Guest 30:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:22 And now you're an animal.

Guest 30:23 No.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Yeah.

Guest 30:24 I don't even know. Like I'd h... I'd be, I'd be on... I'd try... Be on the f... Trying to catch the smallest animal and strangle it? What am I gonna do?

Joe Rogan 30:30 And the likelihood of them finding you is so small. If you just go on a walkabout. If you're like some wacky dude who goes off his meds and decides to go on a walkabout in the Amazon, they're not gonna find you.

Guest 30:43 W... So many walkabouts just turn... Don't turn out well.

Joe Rogan 30:46 A lot of them don't.

Guest 30:48 Why, why keep walking about it?

Joe Rogan 30:49 But why are walkabouts so romantic to us? You know, like that movie with the kid who, uh... What was the movie called where he lived in the bus?

Guest 30:57 Alaska.

Joe Rogan 30:58 In Alaska? Yeah.... into the wild.

Sal Vulcano 31:00 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Into the wild. Like, why is that so romantic to us, for someone who just goes out into the wild? And even if the dude dies out there, like that- that guy did.

Sal Vulcano 31:09 Maybe there's some type of, like, whether it be just finding yourself or, like, just being at one with these elements as much as possible feels like something romantic, I guess.

Joe Rogan 31:19 Yeah. It feels like this understanding that we're disconnected from the rest of the world because of what we've created.

Sal Vulcano 31:25 It's pres- it puts... Gives you perspective, for sure.

Joe Rogan 31:27 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 31:27 Perspective. I mean-

Joe Rogan 31:29 It does give you perspective. It's also like, the more disconnected we are, the more ridiculous we behave. Like, 'cause where do people behave the most ridiculously? In big cities. Y- they're the most disconnected from nature, the most.

Sal Vulcano 31:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:42 You're living in concrete jungles. Honk, honk, fuck you. You're living in New York City, like, you're disconnected from nature, period.

Sal Vulcano 31:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Fuck your park. The park's cute.

Sal Vulcano 31:50 Yeah, the park's cute.

Joe Rogan 31:51 The park's cute. It's surrounded by New York City. Like that-

Sal Vulcano 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:54 ... i- it's so unnatural, it's so contained.

Sal Vulcano 31:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:56 It's actually contained by the city. The park is contained.

Sal Vulcano 31:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:59 It's not peaceful. It's peaceful enough.

Sal Vulcano 32:02 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 32:02 It's a nice park, it's a lovely park, but it-

Sal Vulcano 32:04 You've been through it all? You've been through it all?

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yeah, I've been through the park.

Sal Vulcano 32:06 I mean, but you've-

Joe Rogan 32:07 It's lovely.

Sal Vulcano 32:07 'Cause y- 'cause it's like, I thought I went to it, but then one day I, like, really went to it. It's like, I went to, like, every area. Which is- there's so many things I didn't know. There's like f-

Joe Rogan 32:16 It's really big.

Sal Vulcano 32:17 There's like 50 things, like places.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah. It's a beautiful thing about New York City, that they have that park in the center of it. It really changes the dynamic of the city.

Sal Vulcano 32:25 It does.

Joe Rogan 32:26 I think it makes the city a more f- a more livable place, a more friendly place.

Sal Vulcano 32:30 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 32:30 I mean, it's crazy that you have this insane urban environment, then inside you have this massive park.

Sal Vulcano 32:35 It's like another world in there.

Joe Rogan 32:37 It is.

Sal Vulcano 32:37 There's- there's- there's-

Joe Rogan 32:38 But the difference between that and the woods, the actual woods, like the Colorado Rockies. The difference b- being out there in the a- and waking up and just looking, and all you see in front of you is mountain peak after mountain peak after mountain peak. And it just goes on, that is a different feeling. That's the real feeling. And that feeling is... I think that feeling is like a thing we're supposed to get. I think that's a- supposed to be, it's part-

Sal Vulcano 33:06 Primal.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Yeah, it's a- I think it's a part of our requirements of being a human being that we connect with the Earth, that the Earth sees us, we see it, we're out there in it, and we realize our actual place. We get all cocky in our fucking Uber in New York City.

Sal Vulcano 33:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Getting out and buying a slice, and you think you're all disconnected.

Sal Vulcano 33:23 We think we're better than them.

Joe Rogan 33:24 But we're just trapped in our own little fucking zoo, the little zoo that we've created. But when you go out in the world, you feel so vulnerable. You go out into the woods, you feel so, so minuscule, and, and- but connected.

Sal Vulcano 33:40 Connected. But you're right, you start to feel where our place is.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 33:43 We are not as, as- we are bitch ass.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Bitch ass. Bitch ass.

Sal Vulcano 33:45 Yes, that's r- right. That's a bitch- that first wave o- that comes over you is a bitch ass wave.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Yeah, bitch ass.

Sal Vulcano 33:50 Right?

Joe Rogan 33:51 Compared to all the other things, bitch ass.

Sal Vulcano 33:53 I don't think I'm catching anything. I don't think I'm gonna kill any... I, I, I... What do you think you feel like when you... you're not even at a point where, like, it just happened, but you know you ain't getting out of it. So it's like your survival mode is gonna kick in. How long you last, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 34:06 You probably go into shock. Like, if a bear grabs you, you probably go- just go into shock.

Sal Vulcano 34:11 Well, I had this conversation yesterday actually. So would you be able to play dead if-

Joe Rogan 34:16 It just d- it depends on what the bear wants, man. See, there's two types of bears, black bears and brown bears. Um, black bears are more likely-

Sal Vulcano 34:24 I don't see color.

Joe Rogan 34:24 This is two type of bears in North America.

Sal Vulcano 34:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Uh, there's, uh, the black bears. They're also brown too. A lot of black bears are very br- uh, even blonde. They'll look blonde sometimes. They're called color phase bears.

Sal Vulcano 34:34 Never heard of them.

Joe Rogan 34:34 But they're more like... Black bears are more likely to try to eat you.

Sal Vulcano 34:38 Oh, I thought the opposite.

Joe Rogan 34:39 They're, they're more likely... No, they're more likely to try to bite you and kill you to eat you. Whereas brown bears, for the most part, when they're killing people-

Sal Vulcano 34:46 Like grizzlies?

Joe Rogan 34:47 Yes. Brown bears are- The big ones are the ones that are the coastal bears 'cause they have access to all the seafood. That's why those are like-

Sal Vulcano 34:55 Sure.

Joe Rogan 34:55 ... those Kodiak bears.

Sal Vulcano 34:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Enormous, enormous grizzly bears. But it's the same bear, it's the same species.

Sal Vulcano 35:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:01 It's just you have the inland one, which is eating mostly animals and berries and shit like that.

Sal Vulcano 35:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:06 And then you have the coastal ones just gorging in salmon, and so they're fucking huge.

Sal Vulcano 35:10 Yeah, I- They put me in a cage with two of them.

Joe Rogan 35:13 They're actually less likely t- to try to go after you, 'cause they have an ab- abundant food source. Like, there's people that, like, camp out by the river and watch these enormous fucking bears just eat salmon. But the bears don't wanna have nothing to do with you.

Sal Vulcano 35:26 Oh, fuck that man.

Joe Rogan 35:26 They're just eating salmon. But-

Sal Vulcano 35:28 Like The Revenant, right? I'm b- I don't care what- what kind of bear it is.

Joe Rogan 35:31 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 35:31 If there's a bear coming at you-

Joe Rogan 35:32 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 35:32 ... y- the bear has bad intentions, black, brown, white.

Joe Rogan 35:35 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 35:36 And they tell you to lay down and just stay there. Like, I know that, like, the bear's gonna catch you if you keep running. But you could- you think that you could play dead in that moment?

Joe Rogan 35:43 No.

Sal Vulcano 35:44 No.

Joe Rogan 35:44 And it doesn't matter, it'll still start eating you.

Sal Vulcano 35:46 Right. So why are you- why do you guys advice?

Joe Rogan 35:47 And the- the thing is, is like, 'cause it's- is if a... 'cause if it's a mama bear, so if a mama bear goes after you because her cubs are there-

Sal Vulcano 35:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:54 ... if you've- you stump- and you scare her, like if you come too close and she doesn't know you're there, she thinks you're a predator, she may charge you.

Sal Vulcano 36:03 She's taking out earrings also.

Joe Rogan 36:03 And if she charges you and bites you and y- you should play dead. You should play dead with her.

Sal Vulcano 36:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:09 Because she's not trying to eat you.

Sal Vulcano 36:11 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 36:11 She's just trying to protect her cubs.

Sal Vulcano 36:12 Oh, okay. She wants to knock out.

Joe Rogan 36:13 But it doesn't mean she won't eat you either.

Sal Vulcano 36:16 Yeah. How do you play- how do you play dead when she's chomped through this?

Joe Rogan 36:19 It doesn't mean she won't eat you. Because sometimes she- sometimes she just wants to eliminate the threat and then get her babies to safety.

Sal Vulcano 36:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:24 So that's why playing dead works with mama bears, sometimes.

Sal Vulcano 36:27 So you're just hoping for a mama?

Joe Rogan 36:29 But it's a big sometimes.

Sal Vulcano 36:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:30 It's a big sometimes. Because sometimes they just eat you. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 36:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Like, like, they're bears.

Sal Vulcano 36:35 That's-

Joe Rogan 36:36 We don't have like a fucking, like, treaty with them.

Sal Vulcano 36:38 Right, that's why my strategy is just not to put myself in a place where there are bears.

Joe Rogan 36:42 That's a good move.

Sal Vulcano 36:43 You know? And look, it's worked so far.

Joe Rogan 36:45 That'll help you. That'll help you a lot in this life.

Sal Vulcano 36:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:47 If you wanna avoid getting eaten by bears, don't go anyplace where they live.

Sal Vulcano 36:49 Have you come across one like that? Like in just in the wild?

Joe Rogan 36:52 The scariest thing I came across, I've talked about it too many times on the podcast, but to tell you, uh, I- I- I saw a big mountain lion from about 30 yards away. But I was inside my friend's truck.... and he spotted it. It was about dusk. It was in Utah in the mountains. And we were taking this corner, and he hits the brakes. He goes, "Look at that cat." And we look, and about 30 yards away under a tree is this enormous, enormous mountain lion-

Sal Vulcano 37:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:21 ... with like a head like a pumpkin, dude.

Sal Vulcano 37:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:23 And these giant forearms, and just sitting there. We're like, "Holy fuck, man." And I had binoculars, so I pick up the bino, so I have these 10 power binoculars. So I'm looking in its face.

Sal Vulcano 37:35 Its face, oh shit.

Joe Rogan 37:35 In its... And I'm... But I'm protected.

Sal Vulcano 37:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:36 I'm inside the car. We have a gun. I'm protected. And I'm-

Sal Vulcano 37:39 But are you... But did you still, still shit your-

Joe Rogan 37:40 ... shitting my pants.

Sal Vulcano 37:41 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Like, I felt like it... like, it... like, some primal fear.

Sal Vulcano 37:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Some primal recognition of an actual monster.

Sal Vulcano 37:50 Yeah. Yeah. That, that kicked in from the inside. I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 37:53 From inside a-

Sal Vulcano 37:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:54 ... truck with a gun.

Sal Vulcano 37:55 It doesn't matter.

Joe Rogan 37:56 With the binoculars.

Sal Vulcano 37:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:58 Dude, you, you... You look at this thing and its eyes are kinda-

Sal Vulcano 38:00 I got, I got chills.

Joe Rogan 38:01 Because it's dusk, the eyes are kinda glowing a little bit.

Sal Vulcano 38:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:05 Oh.

Sal Vulcano 38:05 Yeah, yeah. That... No, thank you.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Bro.

Sal Vulcano 38:07 No, thank you.

Joe Rogan 38:08 That's... Those are the real monsters. And, and-

Sal Vulcano 38:11 I had a, a Collie dog bite me once, and I was that scared. So it's like I'm not gonna go-

Joe Rogan 38:14 Nah.

Sal Vulcano 38:14 I'm not gonna go-

Joe Rogan 38:15 Hey, bro, if your cat wants to fuck you up, that's a real problem.

Sal Vulcano 38:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:18 You know?

Sal Vulcano 38:18 I don't do cats.

Joe Rogan 38:19 But imagine a cat that's 170 pounds.

Sal Vulcano 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 Dude, it's so scary.

Sal Vulcano 38:25 This is like-

Joe Rogan 38:25 It's so big.

Sal Vulcano 38:26 You ever see these guys on, like, Instagram, like they live with lions?

Joe Rogan 38:29 Oh, those guys are doggone great.

Sal Vulcano 38:30 Like they just... They're sit, like, on the couch-

Joe Rogan 38:32 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 38:32 ... and they're like, "Come over," and they just feed them, like, a sandwich, and they-

Joe Rogan 38:34 But you know Melanie Griffith grew up with lions.

Sal Vulcano 38:37 No. What? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:37 Her whole house was filled with lions.

Sal Vulcano 38:40 W- w- what? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:41 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 38:41 How do, how does... How is that... This is not something everybody knows. Her house was-

Joe Rogan 38:45 Uh, we've tried-

Sal Vulcano 38:45 ... free-ranging... free-ranging lions?

Joe Rogan 38:47 ... to get the news out. (laughs) No, no, no, they had pet lions. I mean, enormous pet lions.

Sal Vulcano 38:51 What did she-

Joe Rogan 38:51 There's all these photographs-

Sal Vulcano 38:52 Grow up.

Joe Rogan 38:52 ... of her as a child in California. There's a... Right? Wasn't it?

Sal Vulcano 38:56 Well, her... What's sh- but what, what did her... What did her family do?

Joe Rogan 38:58 Dude, her family was kooky. Just-

Sal Vulcano 39:00 This was just... These were just kooky lion pets?

Joe Rogan 39:02 Yeah, just crazy lion people.

Sal Vulcano 39:02 It wasn't like... They were, like, carneys or something like that?

Joe Rogan 39:05 No. They're crazy lion people, and they did a movie with these lions. And the movie's supposed to be like the dumbest movie of all time.

Sal Vulcano 39:13 Illegal? Was it illegal to do that?

Joe Rogan 39:14 This is the movie. What's it called again? Roar. What is it, Jamie? Roar. Roar. So these are all their lions, and a bunch of people got fucked up in the making of this movie, too, by the way.

Sal Vulcano 39:24 No shit. I don't believe it.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Because these... (laughs) They used actual real lions, man. And so, like, there's some fucking scenes-

Sal Vulcano 39:31 Wait, wait. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:31 ... Melanie Griffith is in this stupid movie.

Sal Vulcano 39:33 All these clips of these actors on... right now, those are... Those are la-

Joe Rogan 39:35 Yeah, interacting with their pets.

Sal Vulcano 39:36 Those are real lions?

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yes.

Sal Vulcano 39:37 Every one of... And every, every one of those people were, were real-

Joe Rogan 39:40 Yes.

Sal Vulcano 39:41 How was that... What was the insurance for that?

Joe Rogan 39:44 Insurance and schmorance. The fuck outta here with your insurance.

Sal Vulcano 39:47 They locked... They locked me in a motel room with a tiger, a b- a Bengal tiger, in, in our movie, in our... in the Joker's movie. I wa-... They pushed me into a hotel... roadside hotel room, closed the door behind me.

Joe Rogan 39:55 Oh, my God, dude.

Sal Vulcano 39:56 I turned around, there was no knob on the inside, and I just was like, "What, what is this for?" And I heard a grum-... or, like, a rumbling.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Oh my God.

Sal Vulcano 40:03 And then, literally, there was a guy... I, I, I, I plastered up against the wall because I was like... (laughs) Dude, a... It's just a white tiger just comes out, comes out of the bathroom.

Joe Rogan 40:11 Well, how can they predict the behavior of that thing?

Sal Vulcano 40:14 Yeah, that's what I fucking said too.

Joe Rogan 40:16 Bro, that's so dangerous. And if you are freaking out-

Sal Vulcano 40:19 It's on a chain. It's on a chain, which is ch-

Joe Rogan 40:20 What are you talking about?

Sal Vulcano 40:21 Which is ch- it's chained to the, to the pole in the shower.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Bro, I also want you to look at that bitch-ass chain.

Sal Vulcano 40:28 I thought you were gonna say, "Look at that bitch-ass in the corner."

Joe Rogan 40:30 You know how strong those things are? Look at that chain. You don't think he could break that chain?

Sal Vulcano 40:32 I know he could. I was saying it in the-

Joe Rogan 40:34 Bro, that is so crazy.

Sal Vulcano 40:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 That's such a crazy thing to do.

Sal Vulcano 40:38 I was... I just forgot about that until this moment too.

Joe Rogan 40:41 Fuck those things, man.

Sal Vulcano 40:42 I, I said to them-

Joe Rogan 40:43 Whew, fuck those things.

Sal Vulcano 40:43 They go, "This isn't funny. It's not gonna be funny." So I had to make the movie. Like, I, I... And the first thing I said on camera is, "Do we have insurance?" It's in the movie. I, I couldn't even, like, play it up, and I just, uh... It stayed in the fucking movie.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Dude.

Sal Vulcano 40:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:55 Fuck that.

Sal Vulcano 40:56 But Roy, Roy... Look at that guy. That guy, that was Siegfried & Roy.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 41:00 I mean-

Joe Rogan 41:00 Same thing, like, he, he raised that-

Sal Vulcano 41:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:02 ... tiger from the time it was a baby.

Sal Vulcano 41:04 And he would tell you-

Joe Rogan 41:04 They don't even know why it had... There's all this speculation. There was a lady with, like, some crazy hat on apparently, and they think that, like, maybe the tiger was agitated by the lady. But it's all just get... The guy... The tiger just decided to bite him.

Sal Vulcano 41:15 Yeah. If that's all it takes is that tiger to get agitated by a lady-

Joe Rogan 41:18 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 41:18 ... I mean, you're, you're playing with... you have Russian roulette your whole life. I mean, like, he would tell you a billion times over, "It's safe. It's safe." And then he gets... he gets his throat cut out.

Joe Rogan 41:26 I don't think it tried to kill him though. I think it was carrying him in a way-

Sal Vulcano 41:30 Just on another person.

Joe Rogan 41:30 ... like a cub.

Sal Vulcano 41:31 Hm. Yeah, I think his b- lymph body. Did they show that?

Joe Rogan 41:35 Yeah. I-

Sal Vulcano 41:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:36 I don't think they showed it, but I think they have it. I don't think anybody's seen it.

Sal Vulcano 41:39 He didn't die though, right? Oh, he died.

Joe Rogan 41:40 He died eventually, but he was paralyzed from that.

Sal Vulcano 41:43 Like, a few hours later or?

Joe Rogan 41:44 No, he was paralyzed.

Sal Vulcano 41:45 Yeah. But... And he kept the tiger, right? He was like, "I figured this."

Joe Rogan 41:48 Yeah, I mean-

Sal Vulcano 41:49 It's the lady's fault.

Joe Rogan 41:52 He... You can't trust those things.

Sal Vulcano 41:54 I was just-

Joe Rogan 41:55 You just... Because when it goes... You saw the one where the guy was, uh... He had a trained grizzly bear for, for a movie. It'd been in a b- a few movies.

Sal Vulcano 42:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:02 And it just... He's doing this thing with the... And it just bites this guy's neck off. Just, just jumps on this guy's neck and tears it apart in front of everybody, and there's n- nothing anyone could do about it. The bear just jumps on him for no reason. Dude's just standing there, just totally standing still, and the bear just decides, "I wanna bite you."

Sal Vulcano 42:20 Imagine what you feel in that moment knowing that-

Joe Rogan 42:22 Oh, God.

Sal Vulcano 42:22 ... knowing that you're going to die, knowing that it's gonna be this way, knowing that people are watching and can't help, and you're gonna die in front of... Like, your whole life, "When am I going? How's it gonna happen?"

Joe Rogan 42:30 And knowing you could... It could've all been avoided. Like, don't do that. Don't get out there. This is just not... It's not 100%, kids. Even if it's 99.9%, that, that little tiny (laughs) one that... when the, the bear decides to just do what nature wants it to do-

Sal Vulcano 42:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:46 They wanna kill things, man. It's part of the fun of being a bear. It's part of the fun of being a tiger.

Sal Vulcano 42:52 It's what they do.

Joe Rogan 42:52 It's part of the fun. They like to kill things.

Sal Vulcano 42:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:54 It's... That's how they survive. There's a reward system that's built into their DNA, and we have this stupid belief that we could just slide steaks under the door, and they'll be cool with that.

Sal Vulcano 43:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:05 And then eventually they just want, "I wanna get my own meat."

Sal Vulcano 43:07 Yeah, like, "You're not the boss of me."

Joe Rogan 43:10 So the tiger never attacked him during the Vegas show. He saved my life.... um-

Sal Vulcano 43:15 I don't know, Roy, I don't know if we're picking it up.

Joe Rogan 43:17 Why does he think the tiger saved his life?

Guest 43:20 I don't know exactly how it happened but he said it, like, saw him.

Joe Rogan 43:22 He instinctively ... Oh, he said, "He might have been having a stroke." Hold on a second. Roy maintains that Montecore was really trying to drag him to safety after seeing him felled by what he thinks may have been a stroke. He said, "I instinctively saw that I needed help and he helped me." Oh, he was taking medication for high blood pressure for years, said he recently began to suffer dizzy spells and this one spell unfortunately occurred in the presence of a very large tiger. He said, "I started feeling weak." He still speaks slowly but has recovered most of his German-accented speech. He says, "I fell over. Montecore saw that I was falling down, so he actually took me and brought me to the other exit where everybody could get me he- and help me. He knew better than I did where to go." So, he's saying that the tiger fucked him up accidentally while it was dragging him to safety.

Sal Vulcano 44:11 Did that come out right away? I don't know, that's, I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 44:14 I mean-

Sal Vulcano 44:14 ... that's amazing if that's what happened, but-

Joe Rogan 44:16 They don't, tigers don't understand you can't just drag a dude by his neck-

Sal Vulcano 44:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:19 ... and not, like, break it. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 44:21 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 44:22 (laughs) 'Cause we're bitch ass.

Sal Vulcano 44:22 Yeah, he's like Lennie from Of Mice and Men.

Guest 44:24 You can ... Yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 44:24 Yeah, you could do that to a puppy. Two gaping puncture wounds to the neck. Before passing out, he recalls, said, "Leave Montecore alone. Bring him back to brother and sister, let them be happy." These guys are so crazy.

Sal Vulcano 44:34 I picture Roy being dragged-

Guest 44:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:35 Suffering from severe blood loss. Just picture him like, just blood squirting.

Sal Vulcano 44:39 He's like, "Take him!"

Joe Rogan 44:41 He's like, "Leave Montecore alone!"

Guest 44:41 "Thank you, thank you."

Sal Vulcano 44:42 "Leave him alone!"

Guest 44:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:43 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 44:44 Just bring him-

Joe Rogan 44:44 "Bring him back to his brother and sister!"

Sal Vulcano 44:46 (laughs)

Guest 44:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:47 Oh, my God, suffering from severe blood loss and shock, he was considered medically dead at one point when his heart stopped. He also suffered the stroke that would ravage the left side of his body. So, was the stroke before or was the stroke because of him getting bitten?

Sal Vulcano 45:03 Yeah. I mean, if it was the bo-

Joe Rogan 45:03 He might be rationalizing.

Sal Vulcano 45:05 Yeah, yeah. He coulda just had the stroke, and that would be bad enough, but he coulda just had a stroke.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Do they know when he had the stroke?

Guest 45:12 No, man, I, I don't see ...

Joe Rogan 45:15 He, what he's saying makes sense though, if that cat loves him-

Sal Vulcano 45:18 If that makes sense, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:18 ... and the cat sees him faint and the cat wants to drag him to safety.

Sal Vulcano 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:22 It's just they don't know they can't just bite you.

Sal Vulcano 45:24 (laughs)

Guest 45:24 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 45:24 You s- you ever see the reunions with these th- the reunions of, like, the trainers and they, they haven't seen 'em in years. Like, the, the, like, these, like, uh, zoo guys-

Joe Rogan 45:32 Oh, yeah?

Sal Vulcano 45:33 ... that raise, like, tigers and set them free and then they reunite them?

Joe Rogan 45:36 Aw.

Sal Vulcano 45:36 Like, in the wild, they reunite them.

Guest 45:38 Wow.

Sal Vulcano 45:38 And these tigers just come charging at the guy, jump up and just start licking him.

Guest 45:41 Aw.

Sal Vulcano 45:42 Yeah. You see that and ...

Guest 45:43 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 45:44 I think that's bad press to put out there, really, to tell you the truth.

Joe Rogan 45:46 Why?

Sal Vulcano 45:47 Because it's, it's making 'em, it looked like a domesticated house cat. The thing looks adorable, it's licking it, I'm like, "Maybe I could raise a lion."

Joe Rogan 45:53 Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, that's a good point. But, it's like, if you raise one from the time it's a baby, it realizes, like, "Oh, my God, that life is so much better than this bullshit life of chasing gazelles."

Sal Vulcano 46:05 I know, right?

Joe Rogan 46:06 You know, that life sucks.

Sal Vulcano 46:07 Dude, these are, the guy's are ... And this guy's, like, leather sectional-

Joe Rogan 46:10 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 46:10 ... in his house and he's feeding them, he's just throwing them meat and he's, like, playing Dr- uh, you know (laughs) DJ Khaled.

Joe Rogan 46:16 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 46:16 And the g- ... I'm like, how? This guy's going to die. He has, like, 30 lions free-roaming the house.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 46:21 He's got, like, a billion You- uh, Instagram followers and I had to ... Everyone's following waiting for the, waiting for the post.

Guest 46:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:27 Tiger seen in Houston neighborhood found after week of searching at legal wrangling. A week?

Guest 46:33 A week, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Oh, my, that's so crazy to have a tiger rolling around for a week-

Sal Vulcano 46:37 Just dodging for a week.

Joe Rogan 46:38 How was it hiding?

Sal Vulcano 46:40 Yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 46:40 How are they so bad at finding tigers?

Sal Vulcano 46:41 Anyone who lays eyes on that tiger is calling it in.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Yo, don't you have helicopters and shit? Like ...

Sal Vulcano 46:46 Yeah, you don't let that go for a week.

Joe Rogan 46:48 How do you get that ... How's it, where's it going? Where'd it go? (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 46:52 Nobody gets lunch until they find it. It's like, you can't just let it go.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Yeah, you ... Y- y- it's overtime, boys. Come on, we gotta find the tiger.

Sal Vulcano 46:58 Every night, every night, they were like, "All right, let's go to bed. Tomorrow, we'll wake up early."

Guest 47:02 It's not a tiny tiger.

Joe Rogan 47:04 So, it came right up to people? Is that what it's doing?

Guest 47:06 It says this is an off-duty police officer, points a weapon as the apparent owner retrieves the tiger that had gotten out.

Joe Rogan 47:13 Oh, my God. So this dude can just grab it? That's kinda cool, though-

Guest 47:16 There you go. There's a cop with the gun.

Joe Rogan 47:16 ... that they just let the guy grab his tiger instead of shooting it. (laughs)

Guest 47:21 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 47:21 I-

Joe Rogan 47:21 Until they find, like, a bunch of dead dogs and cats in people's yards-

Sal Vulcano 47:24 You, you think that that's a small tiger? I went to the Nashville Zoo, I got, like, a back, backstage whatever, tour or whatever. They had baby cloud leopards that were just born.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Oh, wow.

Sal Vulcano 47:33 I've held them in my hand and fed them with a bottle, right? They were this big. I mean, you could've crushed it, right? And a year later, I was back there on the road, I went back and they said, "Do you wanna see the li- the baby cloud leopard you fed?" And they, they build these outdoor structures, these cages, so they're living outside but they're in outdoor cages. So, they bring me in the cage, right? And we're with a few people and they're like, "That's the one that you fed last year." And it's like, now it's like ... It was this bi- big when I fed him, now it's probably, like, this big.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Whoa.

Sal Vulcano 48:00 But it's lean, it's lean.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Right.

Sal Vulcano 48:01 Like this big. Like, bigger than any house cat you've ever seen but, like, not-

Guest 48:04 Right.

Sal Vulcano 48:04 ... not like ... You still think, like, uh, you know, it couldn't hurt you. So they tell you, "Whatever y-" He says, he say, "Whatever you do, just don't turn your back to it." So I was like, "Oh, okay." And I was li- I was like, "Can this thing hurt me or not? Like, why are we in here?" You know what I mean? And at one point, I turned around, like, we were gonna walk out, I turn around, it swiped r- at me right here. I still have a mark from it. It swiped at me right here and, and sliced me and it drew blood. It wasn't a deep, uh, cut or anything, it just m- like, missed it but-

Joe Rogan 48:30 It only did it when you turned your back?

Sal Vulcano 48:32 It, when I turned. It, it, I was like, "Oh, my," I, I ... It fucking did it. And it's just one, one line right here. It was just-

Joe Rogan 48:38 That is just-

Sal Vulcano 48:38 It wasn't like med- ... I didn't need medical attention. It, thank God, but it got me and it, it broke skin.

Joe Rogan 48:42 That is just deep predatory instincts.

Sal Vulcano 48:44 Just turning around. And I was like, "Motherfucker, I fed you last year."

Joe Rogan 48:47 When something's not looking. Yeah, it's something that's not looking. Anything that's not looking, it's gonna get it. Isn't that scary?

Sal Vulcano 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:52 It is, like, built into its hard drive.

Sal Vulcano 48:55 Dude-

Joe Rogan 48:55 Can't turn your back on it.

Sal Vulcano 48:55 What about that lady that got her face ripped off by the chimp? Dude!

Joe Rogan 48:58 Oh, I was just reading about that again for some strange reason.

Sal Vulcano 48:59 Oh, my God, did we ... They have a picture, I think, of it.

Guest 49:02 Oh, don't say.

Sal Vulcano 49:02 And don't do it. Yeah, don't do it.

Joe Rogan 49:04 Yeah, that's a-

Sal Vulcano 49:04 It-

Joe Rogan 49:04 ... terrible story, man. Like-

Sal Vulcano 49:06 That's terrific.

Joe Rogan 49:07 ... a terrible story.

Sal Vulcano 49:07 And, like, I think they have, like, audio of it or something, like, where she's just like-

Joe Rogan 49:10 Just 911 audio.

Sal Vulcano 49:11 Oh, God. It wa-

Joe Rogan 49:12 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 49:12 Oh, it's, I mean, and th- those, those chimps, they, like, disme- like, dismember you. Like they, sh- he ripped her entire face off.

Joe Rogan 49:18 Yeah, they try to ruin you.... they, they try to bite your fingers off. They go for your genitals.

Sal Vulcano 49:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:25 They tear your feet off.

Sal Vulcano 49:28 That's how, you know, they got a r- that's a odd handbook for them. That's like-

Joe Rogan 49:32 Well, it's a just-

Sal Vulcano 49:32 ... "Let me tear his feet off first. I don't who that-"

Joe Rogan 49:34 They wanna cripple you.

Sal Vulcano 49:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:35 They're not even trying to kill you. They're trying to cripple you.

Sal Vulcano 49:38 Is that what they're doing?

Joe Rogan 49:38 Yeah. They're try... They're smart.

Sal Vulcano 49:40 Cripple you and then what?

Joe Rogan 49:41 They're evil and smart. They're trying to ruin you.

Sal Vulcano 49:42 They run up your bills?

Joe Rogan 49:42 You can't... No more fingers, bitch.

Sal Vulcano 49:44 Just cripple you and walk away-

Joe Rogan 49:45 Just-

Sal Vulcano 49:45 ... and be like, "Now live like that?"

Joe Rogan 49:46 Yeah. They don't just wanna hurt you.

Sal Vulcano 49:48 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:48 Like, they don't have any morals. They're just these wild, intelligent-

Sal Vulcano 49:52 But w-

Joe Rogan 49:52 ... things.

Sal Vulcano 49:52 ... why do they have a s- a breakpoint then? Why do they, why don't they just kill?

Joe Rogan 49:55 I don't know why they do that to people. But if they wanted to kill you, they could kill you really quick.

Sal Vulcano 50:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:00 They can just bash your head against the ground. You'd be dead in a second. But they don't... I don't think they wanna kill you. I think they wanna fucking hurt you.

Sal Vulcano 50:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:07 You know? They punish you. They-

Sal Vulcano 50:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:09 ... they have like... One of the m- more horrible stories was this guy had a chimp that he raised for a while, and then it got big and it became p- a bit of a problem, and he had to give it to a rescue center. And he would go back with his wife, and they would visit the chimp.

Sal Vulcano 50:24 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:25 (smacks lips) And one time, he went back and he brought the chimp a cake, because it was his birthday. And the other chimps-

Sal Vulcano 50:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... were so angry that they didn't get cake.

Sal Vulcano 50:35 You gotta be fucking kidding me.

Joe Rogan 50:36 And someone fucked up and left one of the doors open, and the chimps got out.

Sal Vulcano 50:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:41 They figured out a way to get out. They opened the door, attacked the guy, and just tore him apart, tore his hands off, tore his face off. Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 50:50 The guy who raised...

Joe Rogan 50:52 Uh-huh. It wasn't him. It wasn't the chimp he raised that did that. It was the other chimps.

Sal Vulcano 50:58 Ah.

Joe Rogan 50:58 So the other chimps were jealous that they didn't bring them ... that he didn't bring them cakes too.

Sal Vulcano 51:02 You have to, you have to bring a cake for everybody.

Joe Rogan 51:03 They're evil.

Sal Vulcano 51:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:04 They can be evil. Like, they, they, they don't care. Or that it's not like a proportionate response to something.

Sal Vulcano 51:11 Right. No, but I think that's-

Joe Rogan 51:12 So they're, they're-

Sal Vulcano 51:12 ... I think that's a, you know-

Joe Rogan 51:13 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 51:13 ... they overreact.

Joe Rogan 51:14 A little bit.

Sal Vulcano 51:14 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 51:14 So, but they're intelligent, but they're also like ruthless in this crazy way that i- is incomprehensible. Like the worst, worst possible characteristics you could ever imagine happening in human beings are just common.

Sal Vulcano 51:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:31 Just common-

Sal Vulcano 51:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 51:32 ... with chimps. Commonplace.

Sal Vulcano 51:34 Man, that's, that's another thing. Like th- explaining these deaths, like, you know, like to, to, to his family down the line? He's like, "Oh-"

Joe Rogan 51:41 Oh, God.

Sal Vulcano 51:41 ... "he t- he brought a, he brought a angel food cake to, uh ..."

Joe Rogan 51:44 He didn't even kill him. It just tore him apart.

Sal Vulcano 51:46 It didn't kill him?

Joe Rogan 51:47 No. He survived.

Sal Vulcano 51:48 And then does he have a life after that? Or what is-

Joe Rogan 51:50 How much? You know, his face is gone. His hands are gone. Part... Different... His body's all fucked up. I mean, they just tear you apart. They go for your jack, for your dick.

Sal Vulcano 51:59 I wonder how he feels-

Joe Rogan 52:00 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 52:00 ... about cake now, the guy?

Joe Rogan 52:01 They're... Probably doesn't... He's got a bit of a...

Sal Vulcano 52:04 Probably was a baby child.

Joe Rogan 52:04 Maybe I should have brought four cakes? You know?

Sal Vulcano 52:06 Yeah. He's probably a cookie guy only now.

Joe Rogan 52:08 Well.

Sal Vulcano 52:09 I wouldn't, I wouldn't look at cake. Too traumatic.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 52:10 If he even has the eyeballs.

Joe Rogan 52:12 (smacks lips) And it's not like, you know ...

Sal Vulcano 52:14 I had a chimp... I saw a chimp bite somebody. I, I ... When I was little-

Joe Rogan 52:17 Really?

Sal Vulcano 52:17 Yeah. When I was little, we went to go... Uh, you familiar with like New York, like Upstate, like, um, like, uh, what do they call it? Lake George and stuff like that?

Joe Rogan 52:24 Sure, I know where that is.

Sal Vulcano 52:24 We'd go like up-

Joe Rogan 52:25 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 52:25 ... up there and we'd... Like, or even the, the poker... Like the Catskills.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Beautiful.

Sal Vulcano 52:29 Yeah. So, we would go up there. And I remember, we were at this like little, little resort or whatever, and they had like entertainment. And they had like a daily show, and it happened every day. And we were there for a few days, so I would go to the show every day. It was in this little like cabaret theater. And this guy would come out, a cowboy in all sequence outfit, and he hosted the show. It was for the kids. And there was all different acts, and he would bring them out. So, he brings out... One of the acts he brings out, they ... The stage becomes an, a little ice sh- ice skating rink. And it... The ice skating rink, I'd say, is maybe twice the size of this table. It's just for them to do like little twirls and... And this, the guy comes out, and he has a chimp dressed as a cowboy in, in ice skates. And he's dressed as a cowboy in ice skates. And they start skating together and doing different... He's holding the chimp, and they're twirling and twirling and everything. And then the chimp loses control, flies o-... He lets go of the chimp. The chimp flies off the stage, and the woman had a little cocktail table in the front. L- he landed on her and bit her right here as he landed, bit her right here. And she sh-... I mean, she was bleeding everywhere. She started screaming.

Joe Rogan 53:33 Oh.

Sal Vulcano 53:33 She's like, "It bit me! It bit me!"

Joe Rogan 53:35 Oh my God.

Sal Vulcano 53:36 And she's screaming. And the guy didn't know what to do, and he got h- got the chimp and they got back onto the ice. And he like, he was like, "Okay, uh, uh ..."

Joe Rogan 53:44 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 53:45 (laughs) And she- she, uh, he- he took a chunk. You saw a, like a chunk of flesh out.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Oh.

Sal Vulcano 53:50 I was probably s- eight, you know? And I was like... I was... I, I couldn't believe like in... It was... And there was no one really there. There was like 15 people. The place was empty. It was like a weekday chimp ice skating show. No one wa-

Joe Rogan 53:59 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 53:59 No one wanted to see it. It was like at lunch. And it was all dark in there. Like, it was all moody and everything.

Joe Rogan 54:05 Oh my gosh.

Sal Vulcano 54:05 And it was, it was just a real experience. And this guy just was like, "All right. That's, uh, that's gonna be the show for today." And the next day, they did the show with the chimp. The next day, they did the show with the chimp.

Joe Rogan 54:14 With the same girl?

Sal Vulcano 54:16 No, no. The, the woman was a c- patron.

Joe Rogan 54:18 A patron?

Sal Vulcano 54:18 Yeah. Sh-

Joe Rogan 54:19 Okay.

Sal Vulcano 54:19 I don't know what happened. But the, the-

Joe Rogan 54:21 Did... Could you sue back then? Were those the suing days?

Sal Vulcano 54:23 I mean-

Joe Rogan 54:24 Did you hear anything about it?

Sal Vulcano 54:25 I, I mean, I was eight. I kept my hea- uh, ear to the streets, but nothing came over my desk. I mean, I got... I have to imagine it was some type of lawsuit. I can't believe though that like the ...

Joe Rogan 54:34 The chimp didn't get put down.

Sal Vulcano 54:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 54:36 Yeah. Well, maybe it did. Maybe it did.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Wow.

Sal Vulcano 54:39 I don't know. It was wild though. It was wild.

Joe Rogan 54:41 They're starting to like clamp down on that. They're tryna like... They're trying to pass laws in places saying-

Sal Vulcano 54:45 Ice skating chimps?

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... you can't have chimps. Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 54:47 Ice skate or just... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Just regular.

Sal Vulcano 54:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Can't have regular ones. 'Cause like this lady in Connecticut just had, like it was legal what she was doing. I think they've changed those laws though.

Sal Vulcano 54:56 You, like you sh-

Joe Rogan 54:56 We need-

Sal Vulcano 54:56 You shouldn't be able to have them.

Joe Rogan 54:57 We can't wear shoes on a plane because one time, one time, one guy failed at doing something with his shoes.

Sal Vulcano 55:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:06 This lady gets her face ripped off to the skull, still can have chimpanzees. Still can have 'em. There's n- not, no, not a big deal.

Sal Vulcano 55:12 I don't know if you can anymore. That's wh-

Joe Rogan 55:14 After her?

Sal Vulcano 55:15 Yeah. I think they changed-

Joe Rogan 55:16 Oh, she was the woman that did it? I think... Well, there was those two s- different stories that were, um, both in the news around the same time. And one of 'em was the guy that brought the birthday cake to the chimps. And the other one was this lady whose friend was visiting her and just got... The chimp tore apart her friend.

Sal Vulcano 55:31 That was a bad time for chimps and-

Joe Rogan 55:33 Okay. Under CT ... Is this, is Connecticut? It's illegal to import and possess all primates in the family Hominidae: gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, and orangutans.

Sal Vulcano 55:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:43 Zoos a-... that are accredited by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums or the Zoological Association of America are exempt from the ban. So they passed a ban after she got tore up. But that's just Connecticut. But there's places you could have them. I, I guarantee you could have them, right?

Sal Vulcano 56:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Guarantee, right there.

Sal Vulcano 56:02 You've seen people with crocs?

Joe Rogan 56:03 North Texas.

Sal Vulcano 56:04 People have cro- uh, crocs, they, in their apartments. There's people-

Joe Rogan 56:07 Oh, yeah.

Sal Vulcano 56:07 ... in th- in fucking New York City.

Joe Rogan 56:08 In New York City, there's a guy that had a tiger in his house.

Sal Vulcano 56:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:11 In his apartment. And the, like, the cops are like ... There's a very famous photo of the cops going up the fire escape and you're looking in the window, you see a fucking cat. I mean, a big tiger dude.

Sal Vulcano 56:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:21 It's just like this, like, baring its teeth. It's the nuttiest picture.

Sal Vulcano 56:24 Yeah, what is he supposed to do?

Joe Rogan 56:26 Uh-

Sal Vulcano 56:27 You gotta shoot it with a dart or something, right?

Joe Rogan 56:28 I think you have to shoot it, shoot it.

Sal Vulcano 56:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:30 I don't think a dart ... You're not ... I mean, I don't know what they did. I don't know how they did it. But, good Lord. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 56:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:38 Who's gonna be close enough to a cat in an apartment to shoot it with a dart?

Sal Vulcano 56:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Are you fucking sure you're gonna hit it? (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 56:45 Yeah. I'm not going in there.

Joe Rogan 56:47 Are you sure?

Sal Vulcano 56:48 Yeah. You only get one shot.

Joe Rogan 56:49 How many darts?

Sal Vulcano 56:50 You sh-

Joe Rogan 56:50 What are you talking about? You're gonna go in the apartment and shoot it with a dart?

Sal Vulcano 56:54 You-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Are you out of your fucking mind?

Sal Vulcano 56:55 That's not ... And he's the, he's the guy that, like, gets the call. He's like going up the fire escape with-

Joe Rogan 57:00 Right.

Sal Vulcano 57:00 ... with a dart in his hand?

Joe Rogan 57:01 He's used to, like, dogs.

Sal Vulcano 57:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:03 A dog? Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 57:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 I'll shoot a dog with a dart.

Sal Vulcano 57:06 He, I- I'm surprised that tiger just doesn't live there til it dies because who's extracting that thing? And then-

Joe Rogan 57:11 Yeah. Well, what if it gets out?

Sal Vulcano 57:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:13 What if it figures out that windows are like ... You just go right through them.

Sal Vulcano 57:16 What about i- in Florida?

Joe Rogan 57:17 You know, some fire escape.

Sal Vulcano 57:18 People, the kids and dogs and everything get eaten by fucking crocs and alligators every single day. It's like-

Joe Rogan 57:23 Not every day.

Sal Vulcano 57:25 Joe, it's every day, Joe.

Joe Rogan 57:26 It's ... It does. It's, uh ... They don't have very many crocodiles.

Sal Vulcano 57:30 More than I would ... More than I think should happen. I mean, people have their houses like cro- like blocked off so the crocs can't get in there.

Joe Rogan 57:37 Yeah, it's, it's alligators mostly.

Sal Vulcano 57:38 Oh, alligators, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:39 Yeah. There's a difference. Like, crocodiles are way more dangerous.

Sal Vulcano 57:42 Oh, is that right?

Joe Rogan 57:42 They're way more aggressive.

Sal Vulcano 57:43 But do they cohabitate?

Joe Rogan 57:45 They do in the Everglades apparently now. Not a lot, but they've, they, they have had more than one sighting of Nile crocodiles in the Everglades and there's some ... Some of the biologists have speculation that there might be a breeding population.

Sal Vulcano 58:00 Really?

Joe Rogan 58:01 Of not ... Because there's so many assholes who just release things-

Sal Vulcano 58:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:05 ... in the Everglades.

Sal Vulcano 58:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:06 I mean, you know the python situation there, right?

Sal Vulcano 58:08 No.

Joe Rogan 58:09 You haven't seen about ... Nothing?

Sal Vulcano 58:10 No. No.

Joe Rogan 58:11 Oh. The Everglades are infested with giant pythons that are all invasive. They're all-

Sal Vulcano 58:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:18 ... pets. Or from research.

Sal Vulcano 58:20 Are you serious? Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yeah, so they're either from, uh, research places where people are working. There's ... Some of them definitely got released there. But other ones are released just 'cause there's people's pets. So, asshole, some fucking dude who's into death metal has a python.

Sal Vulcano 58:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:32 He's like, "I can't feed you right now, but I'm gonna let you go and in two years-"

Sal Vulcano 58:36 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:36 "... after my album hits, I'll be back."

Sal Vulcano 58:38 Remember me. Remember.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah, it's like he lets this fucking monster loose in the swamps and it just ... They've decimated the swamps, so the Everglades is missing like 90% of all of its mammals.

Sal Vulcano 58:50 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Everything. They're eating alligators now. The pythons are eating alligators. There's this crazy photograph-

Sal Vulcano 58:56 A python can eat ... I guess, yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 58:58 Well, they died doing it because-

Sal Vulcano 59:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:00 ... the alligator like worked its way partially out of the python's body with its tail. It's like, it's the most-

Sal Vulcano 59:06 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 59:06 ... fucked up photo.

Sal Vulcano 59:07 They threw me in the swamps in the bayou in New Orleans, uh, where th- where alligators were for the show.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Jesus Christ.

Sal Vulcano 59:14 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Why? You could die, man.

Sal Vulcano 59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:16 These are like real you could die things.

Sal Vulcano 59:19 I know. They, they dressed me as a bog ... Like a ghillie suit as like a bog monster and they put me in a sw- in the swamp and I had to hide behind this thing. I mean, dude, the swamp swamp. Not like w- I was ... We took a fan boat. The water looked like chocolate milk. If you put your hand under the surf-

Joe Rogan 59:33 That's so dangerous.

Sal Vulcano 59:34 I know. If you put your hand under the water this, this low, you couldn't see your hand.

Joe Rogan 59:37 It's gone. Yeah.

Sal Vulcano 59:38 Right?

Joe Rogan 59:38 It's gone.

Sal Vulcano 59:39 It's about 110 degrees that day. They put me in this ghillie suit. I was nervous ab- about germs anyway, so I actually literally wore a condom to go in there because I was afraid there was stuff going into my-

Joe Rogan 59:48 Like a fish swimming up your dick?

Sal Vulcano 59:48 ... my pee hole. Like a ... No, no, parasite.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Oh, right.

Sal Vulcano 59:51 Yeah, yeah. I was just like ... I don't know if it was gonna help, but I was like, "Why not?"

Joe Rogan 59:56 Right.

Sal Vulcano 59:56 You know, like-

Joe Rogan 59:57 It's like wearing a mask, you know.

Sal Vulcano 59:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:58 You feel bad.

Sal Vulcano 59:58 I just was like, "I'm just gonna put it on, eat my soft dick." I mean, I, you know, I just tried ... You know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Right.

Sal Vulcano 1:00:02 Anything that could help me, really. 'Cause I wasn't allowed to say no. You can't say no to these things. That's the whole point like of the show. When you lose, you can't say no to whatever's coming your way. So, there was a fan boat tour that passed the route and they wanted me to come out during the fan boat tour so the guy could be like, "Oh, the, the, the, you know, the lure of the bog monster." Like, just fucking with me. Not to scare the people. To make me look like a moron and to just ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Yeah. Do they know for sure, "Okay, this is fine?"

Sal Vulcano 1:00:30 No. So ... (laughs) They didn't tell me that that was happening. Um, but ... So, that's my friend just attacking me. But, so they ... I had to hide behind that area over there. That's me just getting into it. Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 What I would worry about doing this in Louisiana is someone who's got a gun and is like, "I'm gonna finally kill me a Bigfoot."

Sal Vulcano 1:00:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 You know?

Sal Vulcano 1:00:53 Well, they wanted a tour.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 'Cause there's just ... There's people that are not smart.

Sal Vulcano 1:00:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 And they are armed.

Sal Vulcano 1:00:58 Yeah. Yeah. Well, (laughs) I mean, I didn't think of that. I was worried about the alligators.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 I'd be worried about them more than there would be the alligators.

Sal Vulcano 1:01:05 Yeah, well-

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Scaring like regular white people. (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 1:01:10 In that moment ... (laughs) In, in that moment though, I, I, I ... Actually, I was, uh, so, got so nauseous, 'cause it was 105 degrees, the smell and

Narrator 1:01:16 (laughs)

Sal Vulcano 1:01:17 ... I threw up. And I couldn't leave the, where I had to stay for the bit, so I was just standing, sitting like in my own throw up.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Oh, God.

Sal Vulcano 1:01:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Jesus Christ, dude.

Sal Vulcano 1:01:26 And then, and then like about 15 minutes in, they go, "Oh, Sal, Sal, get back." And they, and they point and there's a, there's an alligator. And it's coming at me. And I, I think it's even okay, and I go, "Ah," and I turn and I run toward the boat screaming and it was a fucking remote control alligator that they got that I didn't even know existed. But it was an alligator. And I ... For a, for a good-... 10 seconds, my reality was that an alligator was coming at me. I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 And that would be the end of your show.

Sal Vulcano 1:01:54 ... I wasn't mobile. Look at the outfit I was in. I couldn't really move.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Right.

Sal Vulcano 1:01:57 That would be the end of the show. (laughs) It would be the end of me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah, and then the end of the show. But you were thinking about the show, right?

Sal Vulcano 1:02:03 Yeah. I mean, I was like, "I c- I, I cannot..." What about all the basic cable fans?

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 What about all the people that work on, behind the scenes?

Sal Vulcano 1:02:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 The real heroes.

Sal Vulcano 1:02:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Yeah. It's-

Sal Vulcano 1:02:11 But-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Don't do those things, dude.

Sal Vulcano 1:02:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Don't, don't fuck around with nature.

Sal Vulcano 1:02:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 If you wanna do silly things with humans, that's great. But you start getting into