Joe Rogan Experience #2160 - Billy Carson

1. 0:00 – 2:21

   Phone cameras, AI moon photos, and the psychology of brand “tribes”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Yeah. See, the thing is about, um, that photo of the moon that they do with the phones, (laughs) they found out that that's kind of bullshit.

   3. BCBilly Carson0:18

      No, I took... Let me show you some of mine that I took.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I know. I've took it too, but what it is, is it's AI. And so, what, what, what someone did on-

   5. BCBilly Carson0:24

      Oh, you mean this is AI?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Yeah. What someone did online-

   7. BCBilly Carson0:26

      Oh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      ... one of them clever kids-

   9. BCBilly Carson0:27

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... they took a very blurry photo of a, of the moon and they put it on a screen-

   11. BCBilly Carson0:32

       Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... across the room.

   13. BCBilly Carson0:33

       Okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       And then they zoomed in on it as if it's the moon, and the camera showed detailed craters.

   15. BCBilly Carson0:39

       Oh, well, I'm... That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about like this, you know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Oh, okay.

   17. BCBilly Carson0:43

       Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       But that's a real picture.

   19. BCBilly Carson0:44

       Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       So that, you just used the 100X zoom.

   21. BCBilly Carson0:47

       Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       You didn't use the moon photo thing.

   23. BCBilly Carson0:50

       No. Yeah, no. This is, this is...

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       'Cause a moon shot.

   25. BCBilly Carson0:52

       This is just me standing outside.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       There's a moon shot aspect to that, that's a little...

   27. BCBilly Carson0:55

       Oh. I gotta check that. I didn't know about that one.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah.

   29. BCBilly Carson0:57

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       If you zoom in on it, if you zoom in on the moon-
2. 2:21 – 4:25

   Ancient Sumer: tablets, strange imagery, and why “mythology” isn’t a full answer

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      It's so strange. And I think this is a good way to segue into like what you do.

   2. BCBilly Carson2:26

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      And... 'Cause these subjects, so many of these subjects, so many people have like an instantaneous re- reaction.

   4. BCBilly Carson2:33

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      And that instantaneous reaction is, "Oh, hogwash."

   6. BCBilly Carson2:37

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:37

      "If this was true, I would already know about it."

   8. BCBilly Carson2:40

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      "It would be taught in universities."

   10. BCBilly Carson2:41

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       "It would all be..." But then you, then you find out like no one is really just kind of trying to piece stuff together-

   12. BCBilly Carson2:49

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       ... specifically talking about, um, these ancient tablets-

   14. BCBilly Carson2:52

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       ... which are t- to me-

   16. BCBilly Carson2:53

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       ... some of the most interesting things about ancient history, particularly what came out of, uh, ancient Sumer.

   18. BCBilly Carson3:00

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       Ancient Sumer, when you look at their, their tablets and like wha- what are they saying?

   20. BCBilly Carson3:06

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       And why would they dedicate so much time to talking about this stuff?

   22. BCBilly Carson3:09

       Exactly.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Why do they have pictures of giant look... Enormous people looking things with like a humanoid with a tail sitting on their lap?

   24. BCBilly Carson3:19

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Like, what... Is this just fiction?

   26. BCBilly Carson3:21

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Like, why would they detail this, and how do they have a representation of the solar system-

   28. BCBilly Carson3:27

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       ... with the correct amount of planets and relatively the correct order and size?

   30. BCBilly Carson3:32

       Mm-hmm.
3. 4:25 – 5:39

   How cuneiform works and how anyone can read tablets today (CDLI)

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      When you look at these ancient languages like cuneiform-

   2. BCBilly Carson4:29

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:29

      ... uh, can you read that? Do you know how to read it?

   4. BCBilly Carson4:31

      Yeah, a, a small amount of it, yeah. Studying it from-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      How does it work?

   6. BCBilly Carson4:34

      ... books that I had bought right off of Amazon.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      Oh.

   8. BCBilly Carson4:36

      Yeah. So basically, you take a, uh, you take a stick. It looks like a stick with a, with a kind of a, uh, a curved end, right, almost sharpened. It's called a, a stylus. And then you-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      Oh, it's like a stylus for an iPad.

   10. BCBilly Carson4:48

       Exactly, very similar, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Okay.

   12. BCBilly Carson4:50

       And then you take a piece of wet clay, and right before it's too wet or too dry, right in the middle stage, you then start wedging, uh, making these incredible lines into the clay. And then from that, you get this cuneiform text. So this text literally g- uh, you know, some of them, some of the letters actually relate to complete ideas.... uh, but it's incredible work and it takes a long time to do. And then you have to let this thing dry, and then it becomes stone. So, uh, you know, what... I- if people were supposed to be trying to worry about, uh, how to g- how they're gonna get their next meal, uh, shelter for the night, and all these kind of things, who has time to sit down and write these incredible works of art like the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Yeah.

   14. BCBilly Carson5:31

       So I think they really were w- writing down and also they were transcribing information that was given to them by these "gods" with a lowercase G.

4. 5:39 – 10:17

   Sitchin, early Assyriology, and Bible-adjacent flood narratives

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:39

      So when you're reading things like the Epic of Gilgamesh... The Epic of Gilgamesh, for people who don't know, is one of the oldest versions of a lot of the stories that you hear in the Bible, ver- or s- very similar-

   2. BCBilly Carson5:50

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:51

      ... to them. They seem to be... There always seems to be a great flood, there's a few heroes-

   4. BCBilly Carson5:55

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      ... there's angry gods-

   6. BCBilly Carson5:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:57

      ... there's a bunch of stuff going on. And Zecharia Sitchin's work was, like, the most controversial-

   8. BCBilly Carson6:02

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      ... on the Sumerian text, right?

   10. BCBilly Carson6:03

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Because there's a whole website called sitchiniswrong.com-

   12. BCBilly Carson6:07

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       ... like, people go crazy about him.

   14. BCBilly Carson6:08

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       But when, when he starts talking about it, you, you, when you read some of the things that they wrote, and when you see, like, some of the, the images that they created, the images that look like the double helix for DNA, and there's a bunch of the... Like, that now we represent... The, the caduceus-

   16. BCBilly Carson6:25

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       ... which is, represents pharmacies and drugs, like, the... That's the old version-

   18. BCBilly Carson6:30

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       ... of an image of the double helix of DNA, or at least it looks-

   20. BCBilly Carson6:34

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       ... super similar to that.

   22. BCBilly Carson6:36

       Oh, it definitely is, because it's referenced even in, in the Egyptian Book of the Dead and other ancient texts. So, there's no coincidences here. Now, Zecharia Sitchin, you know, I don't particularly, uh, go by his work. Uh, not because it's controversial. I believe he was one of the greatest researchers of all time. And the reason why is because he laid out so many... so much information for us to begin to scratch our head and ask questions. But what I've figured out was that by going through the UCLA- UCLA CDLI On9- Online Cuneiform Digital Library, say that fast 10 times, I was able to take stone tablets and decipher them myself. So anyone can go online to the UCLA CDLI Online Cuneiform Digital Library and, and read these stone tablets for themselves. You don't need Zecharia Sitchin. You don't need anyone else. And as I began to break these tablets down, I-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Do they have them transcribed or are you reading the actual tablet? I mean-

   24. BCBilly Carson7:24

       You can... They, they transcribe them. They actually transcribe them into English for you.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Is there controversy as, as far as, like... Are there different versions of the transcription? Like, do some people think in... I- it's interpreted differently? Is, like, some debate about that?

   26. BCBilly Carson7:38

       Only where it comes to where some of the text is missing. There could be pieces-

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       Oh, okay.

   28. BCBilly Carson7:41

       ... chipped off of tablets.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Right.

   30. BCBilly Carson7:43

       You see that corner missing from that tablet right there in the Epic of Gilgamesh?
5. 10:17 – 16:18

   Nephilim/Anak across cultures and the “gold mining + engineered humans” storyline

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:17

      Did you ever read the Dead Sea Scrolls?

   2. BCBilly Carson10:19

      Yes. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:20

      So the Dead Sea Scrolls, what was it? Found in the n... When, what year was that? It was in Qumran, right? They found them in these-

   4. BCBilly Carson10:26

      It's Qumran, but I think, again, this was, um, this was also, I believe, in the late 1800s or early 1900s.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:33

      Is when they found them?

   6. BCBilly Carson10:34

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:34

      So these things are written on animal skins, and this is the on... I mean, this is a, a very old version of those exact same stories-

   8. BCBilly Carson10:42

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:42

      ... or some of similar stories.

   10. BCBilly Carson10:44

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       There's a lot of weirdness in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Like-

   12. BCBilly Carson10:46

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       ... I, I haven't read it, but w... Is there any references to anything that's similar, like Anunnaki type characters, the Nephilim, or anything like that in the Dead Sea Scrolls?

   14. BCBilly Carson10:57

       They show up everywhere, in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Atrahasis. Uh, of course, even in the Bible, they're known as the Anak, A-N-A-K. "We were grasshoppers in their eyesight," it says in the Biblical text. Uh, so m- no matter where you go, in, in, in any culture, you're gonna discover that these beings, in some way, shape, or form, engaged mankind, uh, brought knowledge, teaching, uh, building techniques, um, and, and just so much more. Wisdom and information, esoteric wisdom, uh, alchemy. All these things came from these people.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       So the, the craziest version of this story is that they genetically engineered us out of lower primates and put us here to mine gold.

   16. BCBilly Carson11:39

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       ... and then established different types of civilizations, and taught us how to build things, taught us all these different things. And enough time has passed that we've kind of forgotten.

   18. BCBilly Carson11:51

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Enough time has pass- That's the wackiest version of it, right?

   20. BCBilly Carson11:54

       Right, right, right. That's the bare bones minimum.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       Yeah. The- the- the wackiest version is they, th- they made us.

   22. BCBilly Carson11:59

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       Which is, we've always, we've talked about this a couple times, but how bizarre it is that human beings have this incredible fascination for gold.

   24. BCBilly Carson12:07

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       We're fascinated with gold.

   26. BCBilly Carson12:09

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       This fascination with gold is really weird.

   28. BCBilly Carson12:12

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       Like, why, back when it was basically useless, you couldn't make a knife out of it.

   30. BCBilly Carson12:17

       Right. (laughs)
6. 16:18 – 24:15

   From Soviet human-chimp experiments to “fashioned beings,” AI, and unintended consequences

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:18

      And for people don't, who think this is, all this talk is really crazy, I want to put it into perspective that we talked about this the other day, that during the, w- was it, which war was it where the Soviet Union was experimenting? Was it, it was scientists in the Soviet Union, correct? They're experimenting with creating a chimpanzee-human being hybrid.

   2. BCBilly Carson16:37

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:38

      That they would probably send to war.

   4. BCBilly Carson16:40

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:40

      So instead of having regular people, we would make this monster-

   6. BCBilly Carson16:44

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:45

      ... this, this freak, you know, ape man-

   8. BCBilly Carson16:47

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      ... and send him to war and have him-

   10. BCBilly Carson16:48

       Program.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       ... crush the enemies.

   12. BCBilly Carson16:49

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       So they just fucking ... But this is, how crazy is that?

   14. BCBilly Carson16:52

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       They knew how strong chimps are. I got an idea.

   16. BCBilly Carson16:54

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       Let's turn a chimp human, and that way, if he dies, who gives a fuck?

   18. BCBilly Carson16:58

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       We made him. Get him to go to work for us.

   20. BCBilly Carson17:00

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       And now if you're a supremely enlightened being, wouldn't you think of human beings with all of our folly and all of our chaos-

   22. BCBilly Carson17:08

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       ... and all of our war and bullshit and the internet-

   24. BCBilly Carson17:11

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       ... and disinformation and misinformation, wouldn't you think of us kind of the same way we would think about that chimp hybrid thing?

   26. BCBilly Carson17:17

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       If I was a r- you know, I was the president of Russia-

   28. BCBilly Carson17:20

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       ... why, would I want my cousins to go to war?

   30. BCBilly Carson17:22

       (laughs) No.
7. 24:15 – 29:47

   Flat Earth as a modern belief-religion—and possibly a psyop

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:15

      What do you do when you encounter flat Earth people?

   2. BCBilly Carson24:17

      Oh, man, I just, I just try to be quiet. I just tell them, "Look, it's not my thing," you know. I remember Flat Earth Society offered me money years and years ago.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:24

      (laughs)

   4. BCBilly Carson24:25

      Um, yeah, and I was like, "No, I don't believe the Earth is flat, and I'm not getting involved with this." And they-

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:29

      I do.

   6. BCBilly Carson24:29

      ... really attacked me hard. Death threats-

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:31

      Yeah.

   8. BCBilly Carson24:31

      ... and everything else.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:32

      They get very upset.

   10. BCBilly Carson24:33

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:33

       I do not understand. I just think it's people committing to an idea.

   12. BCBilly Carson24:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       It just doesn't make sense.

   14. BCBilly Carson24:37

       Well, it's a religion now. They turned it into a religion. Anytime that people can attack you so brutally over that... I mean, you're, you're ta- I'm on live talking about quantum physics, and they're in there chat, "The Fl- Earth is flat. The Earth is..." I mean, so that's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:50

       (laughs)

   16. BCBilly Carson24:50

       ... that's like, I mean, one guy-

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:51

       I'm fascinated by it because the pe-

   18. BCBilly Carson24:53

       It's interesting.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:54

       Yeah, because it's the ultimate conspiracy theory.

   20. BCBilly Carson24:57

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:57

       The ultimate conspiracy theory is that we are all on a set, and that the wor- the, the Earth is flat. It's a disk. There's a wall. The government's aware of it. They won't let you pass a certain distance.

   22. BCBilly Carson25:08

       The ice walls.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:08

       Yeah, there's ice walls.

   24. BCBilly Carson25:09

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:09

       And that space is just lights in the sky.

   26. BCBilly Carson25:12

       Right, that's it. And the, the sun is a, is a bulb-

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:15

       Whoosh.

   28. BCBilly Carson25:15

       ... and, uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Yo. (laughs)

   30. BCBilly Carson25:16

       ... and all this kinda stuff. It's wild.
8. 29:47 – 32:57

   Pyramids as power plants: Christopher Dunn’s model and Billy’s electrical hypothesis

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:47

      ... whatever this thing is that we have, this is like super fucking unique. But if you don't wanna look at the past, you- if you're not fascinated by ancient structures, if you're not fascinated-

   2. BCBilly Carson29:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:58

      ... by what kind of technology and knowledge did they have-

   4. BCBilly Carson30:02

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      ... 4,500 plus years ago to make the pyramids?

   6. BCBilly Carson30:06

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Who are these people?

   8. BCBilly Carson30:07

      Exactly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      What were they doing?

   10. BCBilly Carson30:09

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       How did they do that? And what was that thing?

   12. BCBilly Carson30:11

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       Was that a power plant?

   14. BCBilly Carson30:12

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       I mean, if you... I know you know that theory.

   16. BCBilly Carson30:15

       Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       That is a crazy theory.

   18. BCBilly Carson30:17

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       That sounds so... it sounds completely wackadoo.

   20. BCBilly Carson30:21

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       But then when you have it laid out to you... Uh, Christopher... what's his last name?

   22. BCBilly Carson30:25

       Dunn. Christopher Dunn.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Dunn. Christopher Dunn.

   24. BCBilly Carson30:26

       I just had him on my podcast a few weeks ago. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       I just had him a couple weeks ago too. I just had a, uh, brain fart.

   26. BCBilly Carson30:30

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       The- i- his d- depiction of the mechanisms that would be involved in turning this giant structure into some sort of a power plant, you- you hear about it and you go, "Wait a minute."

   28. BCBilly Carson30:42

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       "Whoa."

   30. BCBilly Carson30:43

       Yeah. No, it makes a lot of sense. And him and I have very similar theories on how the- the- the- the power generation occurred. Uh, and I believe that the Nile, you know, when it used to run up close to the pyramids, and the water would run underneath the pyramid, and that would create something called physiostatic electricity as it ran underneath that magnetized crystal granite. Those ions would pour up into the chamber, move up the- the grand gallery where there used to be resonating rods. If you can see the slots where the rods used to be, they were removed now, but the slots are still there. Then it would be pushed into the king's chamber wh- where it would be amplified, and some type of fusion would take place, then forced up through the apex, and then the crystal granite obelisks around the region, would capture that ambient wireless electricity. And then, if you had something called a jed, which looks like a Tesla coil, you can, you can capture that energy and you can transfer it into a device for gold electroplating, uh, for any of the electrical tools you need. Like some of the tools they had to have used to create some of these incredible works of art. You can- we can see the tool marks so we know they had the tools. And- but they had wireless electricity way back then.
9. 32:57 – 39:30

   Mohenjo-daro, vitrified stone, radiation claims, and ancient ‘nuclear war’ texts

   1. BCBilly Carson32:57

      Well, if you look at the tablets again, they talk about this war, right? And this war that occurred, there's a lot of wars obviously, but this one particular war, it seems like the same one that damaged the area or the region of the Giza Plateau, also Mohenjodaro in the Indus Valley up there by Pakistan. And the reason why it's interesting is, if you look at the war in the text and then go to those areas, it looks now, almost you can begin to see, oh, wait a minute, it's, it looks like war. Mohenjodaro in this valley, the buildings turned to glass. The sand turned to glass, and the bodies are still laying in the street right now today, holding hands. Never been scavenged by animals. So how-

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:32

      Wait a minute, where is this?

   3. BCBilly Carson33:33

      Mohenjodaro, in the-

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:35

      Are there photos that we can look at?

   5. BCBilly Carson33:36

      Oh, yeah. Look it up. Mohenjodaro, Indus Valley. Dead bodies still laying in the street, thousands of years later. And guess what?

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:42

      Nobody just... they just lay there?

   7. BCBilly Carson33:43

      Just laid there.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:43

      No one's covered them up?

   9. BCBilly Carson33:44

      No one's covered them up. Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:46

       All right.

   11. BCBilly Carson33:46

       And when you put a Geiger counter over them, higher than background level radiation. Okay?

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:50

       Really?

   13. BCBilly Carson33:51

       Yeah. And if you-

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       But aren't stones higher than background level radiation?

   15. BCBilly Carson33:54

       Some stones are.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       Okay.

   17. BCBilly Carson33:55

       Some stones are. Especially like diorite and, uh, crystal granite. But these bodies, these are just bones. How come they're higher than background level, level radiation?

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:03

       I- I can't wait to see this.

   19. BCBilly Carson34:04

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:04

       I... Why haven't I ever heard of this?

   21. BCBilly Carson34:05

       Mohenjodaro. M-O-H-E-N... There you go.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:09

       Whoa.

   23. BCBilly Carson34:09

       Yeah. This is evidence of a nuclear war or nuclear type of a war.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       Go back to the other intr- the one... that one there? That one's insane.

   25. BCBilly Carson34:16

       Yeah. There's bodies that are sitting on the edge of steps next to their own buildings that they lived in. The building has turned to glass. That's 3,000 plus degree temperature weapons fire.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:26

       So, there's a bunch of people that seemed to die all at once-

   27. BCBilly Carson34:29

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:29

       ... just scattered around?

   29. BCBilly Carson34:30

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:31

       Now, what's the conventional explanation for how these people died?
10. 39:30 – 46:00

    Moon races, the Clementine mission, and anomaly hunting on lunar images

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:30

       Like, there was a whole story today about, uh, China just landed on the far side of the moon.

    2. BCBilly Carson39:33

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:34

       So they landed a probe over there.

    4. BCBilly Carson39:35

       Yeah. Yeah. They did.

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:36

       Which is, it's i- this is, you know, there w- the China-America war on the moon.

    6. BCBilly Carson39:41

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       Like, what if America claims a spot, and China lands and plants a flag there, and they're like, "Hey, fuck you. That's ours"? (laughs)

    8. BCBilly Carson39:47

       Right. Now, that, that's what's gonna happen.

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:48

       Especially if there's, like, something on the moon they can mine that's very valuable.

    10. BCBilly Carson39:51

        Oh, there's stuff up there.

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:52

        Yeah.

    12. BCBilly Carson39:52

        I researched the Clementine mission years ago. Uh, NASA and the United States military sent a military... At the time, it was a top secret mission called Clementine. It was a low lunar orbiting satellite to go to the dark side of the moon. And when I saw the name Clementine, I knew right away this thing ain't coming back. And as I began to dig deeper into the declassified documents, of course it never came back 'cause Oh My Do-

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        Why'd you think it's... Oh, right.

    14. BCBilly Carson40:13

        Oh My Darling Clementine-

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:14

        Clementine. That's right.

    16. BCBilly Carson40:14

        ... you were lost-

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:15

        You were lost and gone forever.

    18. BCBilly Carson40:16

        ... and gone forever. (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:17

        (laughs) Wow.

    20. BCBilly Carson40:18

        And I was right. And sure enough, it hit something on the dark side of the moon, which is really just the backside. It's not really dark there, but it hit something and... but it sent aback- sent back about 20 gigs of data. And these images are available to the general public. They've been declassified, and there are strange anomalies on those image. This is pre-Photoshop, pre-everything. Things that shouldn't be there that look like broken structures and junk and things that just seem to be laying around. Um, so I think it was a recognizance mission to gather intel and data, which is probably why China's gone to the, to that far side of the moon as well because they're probably gonna... It's a race to see who can cr- capture ancient technology and then reverse engineer it and then weaponize it.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:59

        Well, that's the most fun theory ever.

    22. BCBilly Carson41:02

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:02

        The most fun theory ever is that there's bases on the moon, on the dark side of the moon, that aliens have abandoned.

    24. BCBilly Carson41:07

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:08

        Jamie, are there any photos of these anomalies? That's the most fun theory.

    26. BCBilly Carson41:11

        I can bri- I can provide you some with links to the sources, too.

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:14

        Okay.

    28. BCBilly Carson41:14

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:14

        That'd be cool. But Jamie will probably find something.

    30. BCBilly Carson41:16

        Cool.
11. 46:00 – 48:30

    Seeded humanity, multiple ‘visitations,’ and the Mars circadian claim

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       And how... Here's the question. How many different things are visiting us?

    2. BCBilly Carson46:05

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Like, and from how many different places?

    4. BCBilly Carson46:07

       Oh, a lot.

    5. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       If... We, we can't just think everything's gonna look exactly the same. That seems just as silly-

    6. BCBilly Carson46:14

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       ... as thinking that all of our animals should look exactly the same.

    8. BCBilly Carson46:17

       Correct. I think we have three different levels of visitation going on simultaneously. One is corporeal beings in a physical body, most likely anatomically similar to us, you know, uh, uh, bilateral, bipedal organism with two forward-facing eyes, maybe one or two sets of hands.

    9. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Do you think it's what we eventually become?

    10. BCBilly Carson46:34

        It's... Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:35

        What they are?

    12. BCBilly Carson46:35

        It's possible that maybe we already are them, just a, um... You know, Earth could be an abandoned seed colony. We... Uh, every culture that I've talked to indigenously around the planet all say they were seeded on this planet by Pleiadians or other beings, Star Brothers in various different places. So it's pretty interesting.

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:51

        Like the Dogons?

    14. BCBilly Carson46:52

        Like the Dogons, the Nommo, the Hopi and the Lakota tribe, the Star Brothers. The aboriginal elders say that they were seeded here by Pleiadians. All of a sudden, why is everybody having the same story that we were, we were brought here? We could be genetically... I don't believe we're even from Earth, to be quite honest with you. Our circadic rhythm doesn't even match Earth's, uh, uh, rotation on its axis. We're slightly off. It's actually better tuned to Mars' orbit on its, uh, uh, rotation on its own axis than it is Earth.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:14

        What do you mean? How does that work?

    16. BCBilly Carson47:15

        The circadic rhythm of a human body, the wake and sleep cycle, is actually more tuned to, to Mars', uh, rotation on its own axis. A Mars day versus an Earth day, which is pretty weird, that we don't... We aren't synced to our own planet after all these thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands of years.

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:31

        Is that the same as our circadian? Circadian?

    18. BCBilly Carson47:32

        Circadian rhythm, right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        Uh, so when... How do they calculate it's more tuned to Mars? Like, how does that work?

    20. BCBilly Carson47:38

        Well, it's just they, they... Geneticists and, and scientists discovered that our day, our, our perfect, uh, wake and sleep cycle is more tuned to Mars' rotation on its axis, which is about 23 and, and something minute hours, and versus Earth being 24 hours. And so they said, "Wow, this is incredible." And the more they tested it and the more they studied it, they realized we're more tuned to, to the Mars than we are to Earth, which is pretty strange.

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:04

        We are weird.

    22. BCBilly Carson48:05

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:05

        We have... We accept shit like Leap Year.

    24. BCBilly Carson48:07

        Right (laughs) . (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:08

        Like, what kind of wack calendar do you have where ... (laughs)

    26. BCBilly Carson48:13

        It was makeup stuff.

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:14

        If some-

    28. BCBilly Carson48:15

        I know.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:15

        ... some d- years, the month is longer?

    30. BCBilly Carson48:17

        Yeah.
12. 48:30 – 59:56

    Sagittarius Dwarf merger, rogue planets, Planet 9 vibes, and Ceres ‘lights’

    1. BCBilly Carson48:30

       ... pretty bizarre. But you know what's interesting? If you wanna say, "Oh, human beings could be aliens," well, actually, every person on this planet is an alien. Even our planet itself is an alien. Scientists just discovered something interesting. I've never talked about this yet on a podcast, so you guys can look this up. So, our Milky Way galaxy is pretty interesting because it's absorbing another galaxy at this exact moment, called the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. Not the Sagittarius constellation. That's something totally different. We are abs- absorbing the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy at this exact moment. People thought for all these decades, looking at, or even hundreds of years, looking up in the night sky, seeing that swath of stars going across, "Oh, that's the Milky Way." Guess what? We've been wrong the whole time. This is now being taught in universities in astrophysics. So, what you- we're looking at, you're looking at the absorption or the, uh, the merging of the Sagittarius with the Milky Way Galaxy. And the exact point where it merges and drops into the Milky Way is right where our solar system is located, which would explain the rogue planets that we know that are out there. There's millions of rogue planets that have no sun that are just floating free around. There's planets and, and solar systems that are orbiting far beyond the orbit of Pluto in our inner Oort Cloud, admitted by ast- uh, by astronomers now, that there's o- other solar systems within this inner Oort Cloud area, orbiting our sun every 40 to 200 years. So, all of a sudden ... Uh, that's Corey Powell, the ast- astronomer, uh, uh, at Discovery Magazine, by the way, who said that. So this is pretty interesting. We're talking about the fact that our solar system itself is an implant into the Milky Way, that we come from Sagittarius. We're not even part of the Milky Way Galaxy.

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:06

       Whoa. Okay. So, when they're looking at our own solar system-

    3. BCBilly Carson50:11

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:12

       ... they have, uh, an understanding that there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that's out there.

    5. BCBilly Carson50:17

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:18

       And there's so many objects in there that are small.

    7. BCBilly Carson50:20

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:20

       And that's one of the reasons why they decided to declassify Pluto as a planet-

    9. BCBilly Carson50:24

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:24

        ... because there's other objects re- real similar in size.

    11. BCBilly Carson50:26

        Yeah, Makemake and all those other planets.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        But they think there's something large out there.

    13. BCBilly Carson50:31

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:31

        They think there's something large out there that they haven't yet identified because of the way th- the, that gravity is responding. Like, uh, what about it, what is the reason for it?

    15. BCBilly Carson50:40

        Well, what happens is they discovered that in some way, millions of years ago, something moved through our solar system and captured its own weird orbit around our sun. And what's crazy is, the evidence is in our solar system. So Saturn and Neptune switched locations because of a gravitational field. Uranus is flipped on its side and orbits, its, its, its equator is orbiting north and south, not east and west. And they know that some-

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:04

        Like it got hit.

    17. BCBilly Carson51:04

        ... like it got hit or something gravitationally just tugged at it so hard that it flipped sideways.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:09

        And it never stopped spinning.

    19. BCBilly Carson51:09

        Never stopped. And has moved through our solar system, way out beyond the orbit of Pluto, and this thing captured its own orbit. This is in the Enuma Elish in The Seven Tablets of Creation. This exact process that's been described now by astrophysicists and astronomers is in ancient text that we can read and we can see, oh my God, this is exactly what this text is saying. It's talking about the creation of our solar system. It even talks about the creation of Earth in that text. So it says that when, uh, Marduk, AKA Nibiru, a moon of Nib- Nibiru, crashed into Tiamat, it broke into pieces and became the Hammered Bracelet. That's the asteroid belt. One giant chunk swung away, re-coalesced with the, with everything, water, land, and organic material needed for life, and became the Earth, tugging with it the moon. So, it's pretty crazy that the creation of this planet itself ... And it says that it pushed, the net force pushed Mercury closer to the sun and pushed Venus closer to the sun, and then we took the third spot in place a- around our orbit around our sun. And then, uh, of course, we have Mars, which used to be a moon, a habitable moon, of Tiamat, a planet that was four to six times larger than Earth. And it slung into this crazy orbit. That's why Mars has this weird orbit. And you have to, you have to, uh, rendezvous with it, if you're NASA or anybody trying to rendezvous with Mars, every two years when it's an apogee or perigee. You have to, w- apogee or perigee, one of them is further away than the other. One is 80 million miles and the other one's closer. So, if you run into it, rendezvous every two years, you can capture the orbit of Mars and you can actually get there in four months. And then they looked at it and said, "Wow." They meaning astrophysicists. "This looks like this Mars wasn't originally in this type of orbit. It must've been orbiting something else in our solar system," which it was. One side is charred black and the other side is smooth. So the side where Tiamat exploded, those chunks hit Mars on one side, created a very charred side, and the other side is the smoothest surface in the, uh, solar system, which is because of the global flood that that created. And then Mars' axis on its equator is tilted 45 degrees on its axis, which means the, the mass shifted it down 45 degrees. They had a major global catastrophe there on that, on Mars. Uh, and then after Mars you have another little planet that survived called Ceres, C-E-R-E-S, which is also a result of this Tiamat exploding. People don't even talk about Ceres. It has the most fresh water out of any other planet in our solar system. More, more fresh water-

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        And where is, where's this location?

    21. BCBilly Carson53:30

        That's the next planet after Mars. Ceres.

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:32

        Really?

    23. BCBilly Carson53:33

        C-E-R-E-S.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:34

        How big is it? Is it like Pluto sized?

    25. BCBilly Carson53:36

        It's, uh, it's about maybe two-thirds smaller than Mars. And guess what?

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:40

        It's a dwarf planet. So they don't ... It's, it follows an orbit between-

    27. BCBilly Carson53:44

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:44

        ... Mars and Jupiter-

    29. BCBilly Carson53:45

        That's right.

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:45

        ... near the middle of the asteroid belt, with an orbital period. Click on that, Jamie?
13. 59:56 – 1:04:18

    Emerald Tablets, non-lethal ‘vibration’ weapons, and Havana Syndrome speculation

    1. BCBilly Carson59:56

       That's the blink of an eye. You're right. That's exactly what happened in the Emerald Tablets. You know, 30, 36,000 years ago, Thoth is, uh, he arrives, uh, in this place called the land of Khem, ancient Kemet, before it was known as Egypt. His father sent him on a mis- mission to rebuild civilization back up to a higher level, meaning that it already-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       Hmm.

    3. BCBilly Carson1:00:13

       ... was at a higher level prior to this flood situation. And he says he gets into the great ship of the master and he takes off into the sky until the Earth disappears, and then he goes to the pla- appointed and he sees beneath him-... the children of the land of Chem. And he descends down, he doesn't sail in, he descends down, and when his ship lands, he opens his doors and he comes out with his crew, and he says the barbarians came at him to attack him with clubbers and spears. He says-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       (gasps)

    5. BCBilly Carson1:00:38

       ... "I raised my staff and sent out a ray of vibrations, stopping them still as fragments of stone of the mountain." So, he had a stun gun. He had a- a- a weapon that there was, uh, you know, not ruth- not- not lethal, non-lethal weapon that can freeze you in your tracks. And we have something just like that now in the military called the active denial system. They can send a beam at a crowd coming to attack and make them stop still, right in their tracks. They can make you feel like you're on fire, make you feel like you wanna vomit. They can even put voices in your head. They can make you be in extreme, extreme pain. It's called the active denial system. So, he's talking about technology back then that we have right now.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       Could you goo- look at- look up that? 'Cause, is that, do you think that's what that Havana Syndrome thing is?

    7. BCBilly Carson1:01:18

       It's possible, man. This thing, if this, if you put it above, like in- in the sky and aim it at a area and the beam spreads a little bit, you can create mass illness, mass sickness, mass, uh, mass hysteria. You can have everyone running around thinking that they've got somebody talking to them and telling, commanding them to do certain things.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Mm.

    9. BCBilly Carson1:01:35

       It's- it- this- it's out of control. This weapon can be fully weaponized in a lethal way, in a way that can make people become psychotic. You can make somebody think they're burning and on fire.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

        Whoa. Active denial system demo. Can we listen to what this guy's saying?

    11. NANarrator1:01:55

        It can detour individuals on a military perimeter all the way up to a riotous crowd. All without permanent harm.

    12. It only penetrates, uh, one-sixth to a fourth of an inch of your skin. Goes very shallow, uh, into where your nerve receptors are.

    13. BCBilly Carson1:02:13

        I can't take the pain.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

        Whoa.

    15. NANarrator1:02:14

        Uh, and there's no, uh, no permanent injury caused by it. Uh, there is-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

        So, what does it do to them?

    17. BCBilly Carson1:02:19

        It's in a frequency, a beam of frequency, just like Thoth says in The Emerald Tablets. I writ- I put this in my book-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:24

        This is-

    19. BCBilly Carson1:02:24

        ... because it's important.

    20. NANarrator1:02:24

        They even let any of the guests volunteer to test out its effectiveness and safety. (screaming) Including the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

        Wow, he said fuck it.

    22. NANarrator1:02:34

        ... Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps-

    23. BCBilly Carson1:02:34

        (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:35

        He said fuck it.

    25. NANarrator1:02:35

        ... and Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

    26. Woo!

    27. Most described it as feeling like a hot oven or grill being opened up.

    28. It is something that, once again-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

        Wow!

    30. BCBilly Carson1:02:47

        Yeah. So, that's what he used on them, thousands of years ago.
14. 1:04:18 – 1:09:03

    War as a racket: elite incentives, propaganda, and the modern public ‘waking up’

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

       No, that's- that's such an important point, and it needs to be drilled into people's heads.

    2. BCBilly Carson1:04:22

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:23

       We're distracting ourselves by getting involved in these stupid arguments over stupid things.

    4. BCBilly Carson1:04:27

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:28

       When there's really important issues with the world.

    6. BCBilly Carson1:04:30

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

       And those aren't being addressed. And the- the- one of the big ones is, how do you stop people from killing each other?

    8. BCBilly Carson1:04:35

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:35

       How do you stop war? How- how- how do we stop this insane practice of having groups of people go up against groups of people they've never even met-

    10. BCBilly Carson1:04:41

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

        ... and killing them? Like-

    12. BCBilly Carson1:04:42

        Exactly.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

        ... and then we're all okay with this? We talk about how this is normal and this has to be done and these-

    14. BCBilly Carson1:04:47

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

        ... war is ugly and it's unfortunate-

    16. BCBilly Carson1:04:49

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        ... but we have to do it?

    18. BCBilly Carson1:04:50

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:04:50

        Like, okay. Are you fucking sure? Who's-

    20. BCBilly Carson1:04:52

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:52

        ... who's pulling the strings here?

    22. BCBilly Carson1:04:54

        People with $10,000 suits that don't get on the front line.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:56

        Yeah.

    24. BCBilly Carson1:04:57

        They send poor kids and- and young kids, young men and women to die.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:00

        Yeah.

    26. BCBilly Carson1:05:00

        Uh, and, you know, they say-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:01

        Exactly, and-

    28. BCBilly Carson1:05:02

        ... and it's all about money.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:03

        It's all about money. And, you know, Smedley Butler wrote about it in 1933.

    30. BCBilly Carson1:05:08

        War is a racket.

Episode duration: 2:43:20