Joe Rogan Experience #2160 - Billy Carson

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Yeah. See, the thing is about, um, that photo of the moon that they do with the phones, (laughs) they found out that that's kind of bullshit.

Billy Carson 0:18 No, I took... Let me show you some of mine that I took.

Joe Rogan 0:19 I know. I've took it too, but what it is, is it's AI. And so, what, what, what someone did on-

Billy Carson 0:24 Oh, you mean this is AI?

Joe Rogan 0:24 Yeah. What someone did online-

Billy Carson 0:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:26 ... one of them clever kids-

Billy Carson 0:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:27 ... they took a very blurry photo of a, of the moon and they put it on a screen-

Billy Carson 0:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:32 ... across the room.

Billy Carson 0:33 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:34 And then they zoomed in on it as if it's the moon, and the camera showed detailed craters.

Billy Carson 0:39 Oh, well, I'm... That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about like this, you know.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Oh, okay.

Billy Carson 0:43 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:44 But that's a real picture.

Billy Carson 0:44 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:45 So that, you just used the 100X zoom.

Billy Carson 0:47 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:48 You didn't use the moon photo thing.

Billy Carson 0:50 No. Yeah, no. This is, this is...

Joe Rogan 0:51 'Cause a moon shot.

Billy Carson 0:52 This is just me standing outside.

Joe Rogan 0:53 There's a moon shot aspect to that, that's a little...

Billy Carson 0:55 Oh. I gotta check that. I didn't know about that one.

Joe Rogan 0:57 Yeah.

Billy Carson 0:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:57 If you zoom in on it, if you zoom in on the moon-

Billy Carson 1:00 This is just me. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00 Okay, I don't think that's real. See, that's what I'm talking about.

Billy Carson 1:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03 I think that's AI.

Billy Carson 1:05 The AI create, recreates it?

Joe Rogan 1:06 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:07 Really? Wow. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Yeah, yeah.

Billy Carson 1:08 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08 I know. I was showing off to my family.

Billy Carson 1:10 It's pretty incredible. Yeah, listen, it's incredible.

Joe Rogan 1:12 I have the 22.

Billy Carson 1:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:14 I think the S22 Ultra.

Billy Carson 1:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16 I had the older one.

Billy Carson 1:17 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:17 And I would take photos of the moon. I'm like, "Look."

Billy Carson 1:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 "iPhone's bullshit. It can't do this," but it turned out, it looks like I got fooled.

Billy Carson 1:23 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Yeah, because these... You can't hide stu- stuff like that on the internet.

Billy Carson 1:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Technology stuff.

Billy Carson 1:29 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Those guys are too good.

Billy Carson 1:30 They know everything.

Joe Rogan 1:31 They know everything.

Billy Carson 1:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32 But we were just talking about the difference b- I'm j- I'm really thinking about switching to Android.

Billy Carson 1:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36 I'm just tired of being trapped.

Billy Carson 1:37 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 1:38 And I... It's just like this resist to everybody's like, "Don't do that." I'm like, "Oh, my God." It's like a mind virus. Like everybody's like culturally locked into having a blue bubble.

Billy Carson 1:47 Well, when you tell them you're gonna switch from Apple, then Agent Smith shows up from The Matrix.

Joe Rogan 1:51 (laughs)

Billy Carson 1:51 And he like inhabits their body, and they turn... try to ch- tell you to stop doing it, don't do it, like try to, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:58 ... convince you not to leave.

Joe Rogan 1:59 It's like if you were a Catholic-

Billy Carson 2:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00 ... and you said, "I'm gonna become a B- a Baptist."

Billy Carson 2:02 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:03 You know, people are going, "D- don't do it."

Billy Carson 2:04 Right, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:05 "Don't do it." Like, "What are you talking about?"

Billy Carson 2:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07 It's not that much different. (laughs)

Billy Carson 2:09 I know. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:10 It's weird.

Billy Carson 2:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11 People get... They get weird with everything.

Billy Carson 2:14 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14 They get weird with their beliefs. They get weird-

Billy Carson 2:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16 ... with what they subscribe... What, what, what, what group they attach themselves to.

Billy Carson 2:20 So true.

Joe Rogan 2:21 It's so strange. And I think this is a good way to segue into like what you do.

Billy Carson 2:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:26 And... 'Cause these subjects, so many of these subjects, so many people have like an instantaneous re- reaction.

Billy Carson 2:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:34 And that instantaneous reaction is, "Oh, hogwash."

Billy Carson 2:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:37 "If this was true, I would already know about it."

Billy Carson 2:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:40 "It would be taught in universities."

Billy Carson 2:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:41 "It would all be..." But then you, then you find out like no one is really just kind of trying to piece stuff together-

Billy Carson 2:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:49 ... specifically talking about, um, these ancient tablets-

Billy Carson 2:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:52 ... which are t- to me-

Billy Carson 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 ... some of the most interesting things about ancient history, particularly what came out of, uh, ancient Sumer.

Billy Carson 3:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Ancient Sumer, when you look at their, their tablets and like wha- what are they saying?

Billy Carson 3:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:06 And why would they dedicate so much time to talking about this stuff?

Billy Carson 3:09 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Why do they have pictures of giant look... Enormous people looking things with like a humanoid with a tail sitting on their lap?

Billy Carson 3:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:19 Like, what... Is this just fiction?

Billy Carson 3:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Like, why would they detail this, and how do they have a representation of the solar system-

Billy Carson 3:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:27 ... with the correct amount of planets and relatively the correct order and size?

Billy Carson 3:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:32 You know, it's not exact, but-

Billy Carson 3:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:33 ... it's an artistic version of the real thing.

Billy Carson 3:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:37 And how the hell, how the hell, how the hell 6,000, 5,000 years ago do they know that?

Billy Carson 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:43 And what explanations do we have? Like what's the conventional explanations when people try to dismiss what they knew in ancient Sumer?

Billy Carson 3:51 Well, the conventional, uh, explanation is always going to the term mythology.

Joe Rogan 3:56 Right.

Billy Carson 3:56 They throw mythology around, you know, left and right to cover up the fact that they have no clue or idea, so they turn it into a mythology so they can kind of say it's all fantasy and fairy tales, and this is how they express themselves or how they understood the universe. It's all mythology, it's all fake. But in reality, it's not all fake. These people left behind such detailed records and information, it's a time capsule infor- of information on stone tablets for us today to be able to decipher, break down, and understand, and that's what we're here to do now.

Joe Rogan 4:25 When you look at these ancient languages like cuneiform-

Billy Carson 4:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:29 ... uh, can you read that? Do you know how to read it?

Billy Carson 4:31 Yeah, a, a small amount of it, yeah. Studying it from-

Joe Rogan 4:34 How does it work?

Billy Carson 4:34 ... books that I had bought right off of Amazon.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Oh.

Billy Carson 4:36 Yeah. So basically, you take a, uh, you take a stick. It looks like a stick with a, with a kind of a, uh, a curved end, right, almost sharpened. It's called a, a stylus. And then you-

Joe Rogan 4:47 Oh, it's like a stylus for an iPad.

Billy Carson 4:48 Exactly, very similar, right?

Joe Rogan 4:50 Okay.

Billy Carson 4:50 And then you take a piece of wet clay, and right before it's too wet or too dry, right in the middle stage, you then start wedging, uh, making these incredible lines into the clay. And then from that, you get this cuneiform text. So this text literally g- uh, you know, some of them, some of the letters actually relate to complete ideas.... uh, but it's incredible work and it takes a long time to do. And then you have to let this thing dry, and then it becomes stone. So, uh, you know, what... I- if people were supposed to be trying to worry about, uh, how to g- how they're gonna get their next meal, uh, shelter for the night, and all these kind of things, who has time to sit down and write these incredible works of art like the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example?

Joe Rogan 5:30 Yeah.

Billy Carson 5:31 So I think they really were w- writing down and also they were transcribing information that was given to them by these "gods" with a lowercase G.

Joe Rogan 5:39 So when you're reading things like the Epic of Gilgamesh... The Epic of Gilgamesh, for people who don't know, is one of the oldest versions of a lot of the stories that you hear in the Bible, ver- or s- very similar-

Billy Carson 5:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:51 ... to them. They seem to be... There always seems to be a great flood, there's a few heroes-

Billy Carson 5:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:56 ... there's angry gods-

Billy Carson 5:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:57 ... there's a bunch of stuff going on. And Zecharia Sitchin's work was, like, the most controversial-

Billy Carson 6:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:02 ... on the Sumerian text, right?

Billy Carson 6:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Because there's a whole website called sitchiniswrong.com-

Billy Carson 6:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:07 ... like, people go crazy about him.

Billy Carson 6:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:08 But when, when he starts talking about it, you, you, when you read some of the things that they wrote, and when you see, like, some of the, the images that they created, the images that look like the double helix for DNA, and there's a bunch of the... Like, that now we represent... The, the caduceus-

Billy Carson 6:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:25 ... which is, represents pharmacies and drugs, like, the... That's the old version-

Billy Carson 6:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:30 ... of an image of the double helix of DNA, or at least it looks-

Billy Carson 6:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:34 ... super similar to that.

Billy Carson 6:36 Oh, it definitely is, because it's referenced even in, in the Egyptian Book of the Dead and other ancient texts. So, there's no coincidences here. Now, Zecharia Sitchin, you know, I don't particularly, uh, go by his work. Uh, not because it's controversial. I believe he was one of the greatest researchers of all time. And the reason why is because he laid out so many... so much information for us to begin to scratch our head and ask questions. But what I've figured out was that by going through the UCLA- UCLA CDLI On9- Online Cuneiform Digital Library, say that fast 10 times, I was able to take stone tablets and decipher them myself. So anyone can go online to the UCLA CDLI Online Cuneiform Digital Library and, and read these stone tablets for themselves. You don't need Zecharia Sitchin. You don't need anyone else. And as I began to break these tablets down, I-

Joe Rogan 7:21 Do they have them transcribed or are you reading the actual tablet? I mean-

Billy Carson 7:24 You can... They, they transcribe them. They actually transcribe them into English for you.

Joe Rogan 7:28 Is there controversy as, as far as, like... Are there different versions of the transcription? Like, do some people think in... I- it's interpreted differently? Is, like, some debate about that?

Billy Carson 7:38 Only where it comes to where some of the text is missing. There could be pieces-

Joe Rogan 7:41 Oh, okay.

Billy Carson 7:41 ... chipped off of tablets.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Right.

Billy Carson 7:43 You see that corner missing from that tablet right there in the Epic of Gilgamesh?

Joe Rogan 7:45 Yeah. Just look how, how wild is that?

Billy Carson 7:47 Yeah. It's incredible.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Just how wild is that, that that exists?

Billy Carson 7:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:49 And that this was... It's so hard for people to put in their brain five thousand years of time.

Billy Carson 7:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 And that there's these people that had this very bizarre language.

Billy Carson 8:00 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:01 Like, when you look at that lang... We don't even know what it sounds like, right?

Billy Carson 8:03 Right. No. And the s... The language popped up out of nowhere. You know, the... You're talking about a civilization-

Joe Rogan 8:09 Look how complicated it looks.

Billy Carson 8:09 ... that appeared out of nothing.

Joe Rogan 8:11 It looks like computer code.

Billy Carson 8:12 Mm-hmm. It does.

Joe Rogan 8:13 Doesn't it?

Billy Carson 8:14 Yes, it does.

Joe Rogan 8:15 I... Just imagine, like, a, a human being deciding that they were gonna write down-

Billy Carson 8:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:21 ... in these very bizarre... And they all agreed that all these things mean a certain thing, so they had to, somehow or another, have a Rosetta Stone or something-

Billy Carson 8:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:28 ... where they're documenting it so that people-

Billy Carson 8:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:30 ... can learn it and teach it. And then we're looking at it 5,000 years later.

Billy Carson 8:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:36 It's so amazing.

Billy Carson 8:37 It is. And what's incredible is this text was translated in the 1800s, long before Zecharia Sitchin was born. So there are some, you know, uh, some rumors that, "Oh, he was the only one that could decipher these tablets." Well, no. Uh, George Smith, uh, who worked as an Assyriologist and wrote many books and dec- deciphered these Sumerian tablets in the 1800s. So we're talking about texts that have been deciphered for a few hundred years, nothing that was just deciphered recently.

Joe Rogan 9:03 So when the... What are the first decipherings?

Billy Carson 9:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:06 Like, what year was the first deciphering done?

Billy Carson 9:08 It was in 1800. I don't have that. I think around 1850, uh, George Smith. Uh, he actually worked, uh, at, uh, at, uh, at the, uh... I believe it was Cambridge.

Joe Rogan 9:17 What was his take? Like, what did... When, when he's reading all these wacky stories-

Billy Carson 9:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:21 ... and the-

Billy Carson 9:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:21 ... all the Anunnaki stuff.

Billy Carson 9:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:23 Like, what's his take on it?

Billy Carson 9:24 He is literally subscribing to this information the way almost that you and I see it today. These people saw something, experienced something, interacted with something, um, and he cataloged it, and it inspired him to write, uh, a, a complete tr- um, translation of the Enuma Elish and the seven tablets of creation. And he talks about the fact that that information was copied right from those tablets and put into the Old Testament of the Bible.

Joe Rogan 9:47 Mm-hmm.

Billy Carson 9:48 And so, you know, not e- not exactly like it was gonna go from here to the Bible, but it went to other ancient, uh, papyruses and scriptures and, uh, and so forth. And then later on when, when it was discovered in caves, people took those and then said, "Okay, we gotta put this into a book." And then it became the Bible much later-

Joe Rogan 10:02 Mm-hmm.

Billy Carson 10:02 ... around 100 AD. But he subscribed to the theory that these people interacted with beings in some way, shape, or form, and that also, uh, this information is so incredible that it became part of the, uh, the, uh, you know, the, uh, the Biblical text.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Did you ever read the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Billy Carson 10:19 Yes. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:20 So the Dead Sea Scrolls, what was it? Found in the n... When, what year was that? It was in Qumran, right? They found them in these-

Billy Carson 10:26 It's Qumran, but I think, again, this was, um, this was also, I believe, in the late 1800s or early 1900s.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Is when they found them?

Billy Carson 10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:34 So these things are written on animal skins, and this is the on... I mean, this is a, a very old version of those exact same stories-

Billy Carson 10:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:42 ... or some of similar stories.

Billy Carson 10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:44 There's a lot of weirdness in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Like-

Billy Carson 10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:47 ... I, I haven't read it, but w... Is there any references to anything that's similar, like Anunnaki type characters, the Nephilim, or anything like that in the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Billy Carson 10:57 They show up everywhere, in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Atrahasis. Uh, of course, even in the Bible, they're known as the Anak, A-N-A-K. "We were grasshoppers in their eyesight," it says in the Biblical text. Uh, so m- no matter where you go, in, in, in any culture, you're gonna discover that these beings, in some way, shape, or form, engaged mankind, uh, brought knowledge, teaching, uh, building techniques, um, and, and just so much more. Wisdom and information, esoteric wisdom, uh, alchemy. All these things came from these people.

Joe Rogan 11:27 So the, the craziest version of this story is that they genetically engineered us out of lower primates and put us here to mine gold.

Billy Carson 11:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:40 ... and then established different types of civilizations, and taught us how to build things, taught us all these different things. And enough time has passed that we've kind of forgotten.

Billy Carson 11:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:52 Enough time has pass- That's the wackiest version of it, right?

Billy Carson 11:54 Right, right, right. That's the bare bones minimum.

Joe Rogan 11:56 Yeah. The- the- the wackiest version is they, th- they made us.

Billy Carson 11:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:00 Which is, we've always, we've talked about this a couple times, but how bizarre it is that human beings have this incredible fascination for gold.

Billy Carson 12:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:07 We're fascinated with gold.

Billy Carson 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:09 This fascination with gold is really weird.

Billy Carson 12:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:12 Like, why, back when it was basically useless, you couldn't make a knife out of it.

Billy Carson 12:17 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:18 You couldn't, you know, like, it didn't make sense that this would be so valuable.

Billy Carson 12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 Just because it's rare, you're barely alive. You know, you-

Billy Carson 12:24 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:24 We're going, you know, right? We're going back to full-on hunter and gatherer-

Billy Carson 12:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:28 ... our ancestors with spears and, and stone-chipped, and then after that, gold emerges.

Billy Carson 12:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:34 And it stays.

Billy Carson 12:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:35 It stays forever.

Billy Carson 12:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Now, when you read Zecharia Sitchin's book, he talks about this in the 1970s-

Billy Carson 12:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:41 His description of it was that they needed to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere.

Billy Carson 12:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Because their atmosphere was being destroyed.

Billy Carson 12:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:49 Then you move to, like, somewhere around the 2000s when climate scientists start proposing this idea.

Billy Carson 12:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Of suspending reflective particles in the atmosphere.

Billy Carson 12:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:59 And then when you realize the unique properties of gold, how unusual it is, in terms of, like, a building material, you can coat things.

Billy Carson 13:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:06 The reason why things are, like, coated in gold, silver-plated, or gold-plated rather, you can take a tiny piece of gold and cover an enormous area with it.

Billy Carson 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 It's a strange metal.

Billy Carson 13:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Like, really weird.

Billy Carson 13:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:18 And what, you know, the supposed story is, it's very common on Earth, very rare on Nibiru.

Billy Carson 13:23 Right. Yeah, that's the story, and then when, when I, I started looking into this gold thing myself, and here's what I came up with. So when you start analyzing the text, you discover that there was a camp, an encampment in a place called South Africa at Adam's Calendar. Okay? Now, at Adam's Calendar, there's actually the very first goldmines discovered. They're dating them back to about 200,000 years ago.

Joe Rogan 13:46 Whoa.

Billy Carson 13:46 And that's incredible, because there's a building there that looks like a worn-down structure. Now, in the tablets, it talks about the fact that the Igigi, who were the working class Anunnaki beings, who were cleaning out the Euphrates and Tigris River, uh, so they can create irrigation, and, you know, create a bustling civilization. Also, what they were doing, the actual construction themselves, no people needed, just them working. They were like the construction workers, an- a- a- Anu and Enki and Enlil, these leader gods, were like, you know, the foremen, the, you know, the ar- master architects and so forth, right? The boss. So these people were working, but they weren't supposed to be enslaved. They were volunteers. They got tired of doing the work, according to them, for about 250,000 years of labor on Earth, and also, according to them, on Mars. This is in the text, they call it Lahmu. And so they decided to go to war against Enki and Enlil and Anu, because their demands had not been met. So they went to meet them in the Epic of Atra-Hasis. They go to Adam's Calendar, they go to that same structure that was discovered where that goldmine is located. I was like, "Holy crap, there is some link here to gold." Specifically exactly, I don't know, but I know if you're an advanced civilization, you need gold. And the people that you have working it for you probably think, you know, it's, it's to adorn, or to adorn yourself, or in recognition of the gods, so they'll wear it and they'll utilize it, but not for technology. Um, but what's crazy is, they go to war, they go to get ready to go to battle, and then Enki says, "I have an idea that will stop this war. There's an existing being on this planet. Existing, not something that doesn't exist. Existing. We can add our essence to it with a slain god." So they're talking about taking the DNA or genetics from som- one of themselves and mixing it with the DNA of the hominid that was here. It's not specified whether it was, you know, an ape man or anything, but they don't specify in the tablets. But to create a worker being. And they began to do this genetic modification, probably disconnecting some of our DNA, making genetic modifications to us. To get us to take orders from them, they inserted something called a worship gene, which was just discovered recently. That human beings have a gene inside of them that can be turned on and turned off. It can be turned off in a laboratory setting. It can also be turned off with a magnetic field around your head. And when it's off, you don't want to worship anything outside of yourself, you look inside. And when it's on, you look to get something from the outside. So this is incredible. Uh, and so-

Joe Rogan 16:08 So they f- (laughs) so they engineered a gene-

Billy Carson 16:09 They, they made us worship people. Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:11 ... inside of us-

Billy Carson 16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:12 ... to make us worship them.

Billy Carson 16:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:14 How genius.

Billy Carson 16:15 It's incredible. Because then you're not a slave anymore. You're doing this for the honor of the gods.

Joe Rogan 16:18 And for people don't, who think this is, all this talk is really crazy, I want to put it into perspective that we talked about this the other day, that during the, w- was it, which war was it where the Soviet Union was experimenting? Was it, it was scientists in the Soviet Union, correct? They're experimenting with creating a chimpanzee-human being hybrid.

Billy Carson 16:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:38 That they would probably send to war.

Billy Carson 16:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:40 So instead of having regular people, we would make this monster-

Billy Carson 16:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:45 ... this, this freak, you know, ape man-

Billy Carson 16:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:47 ... and send him to war and have him-

Billy Carson 16:48 Program.

Joe Rogan 16:48 ... crush the enemies.

Billy Carson 16:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 So they just fucking ... But this is, how crazy is that?

Billy Carson 16:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:52 They knew how strong chimps are. I got an idea.

Billy Carson 16:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:55 Let's turn a chimp human, and that way, if he dies, who gives a fuck?

Billy Carson 16:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:58 We made him. Get him to go to work for us.

Billy Carson 17:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:00 And now if you're a supremely enlightened being, wouldn't you think of human beings with all of our folly and all of our chaos-

Billy Carson 17:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:08 ... and all of our war and bullshit and the internet-

Billy Carson 17:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:11 ... and disinformation and misinformation, wouldn't you think of us kind of the same way we would think about that chimp hybrid thing?

Billy Carson 17:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:17 If I was a r- you know, I was the president of Russia-

Billy Carson 17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:21 ... why, would I want my cousins to go to war?

Billy Carson 17:22 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 17:23 Or I would just send this freak-

Billy Carson 17:24 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 17:24 ... that I made in a lab.

Billy Carson 17:25 Yeah, and what's interesting, I'm s- I'm glad you said, "Made in a lab." They had talked briefly in that text about fashioning people. In other words, almost like-

Joe Rogan 17:34 How did they say it?

Billy Carson 17:35 They said f- the word fashioning.Fashioning a being.

Joe Rogan 17:38 What was the- d- do you- c- can you remember the actual quote?

Billy Carson 17:41 Um, I gotta... I would have to look it up, the actual, the actual quote. But they-

Joe Rogan 17:44 But they describe it as fashion.

Billy Carson 17:45 Fashion. Because they said, even the lamb hadn't been fashioned yet, so they had fashioned lambs. So, when they fashioned, and it's also in the Epic of Gilgamesh, they fashioned, uh, the friend that Gilgamesh went on the journey with. He wasn't born from a woman's womb. They created him. They created him an artificial being to go on this journey in the Epic of Gilgamesh. So, they used, they used that phrase several times in the tablets. But they said, "No, wait." So, it was almost like, that's not a good idea, because i- in some ways, it seems as if they had known that the idea of making these artificial, too many artificially created people wouldn't be a good idea. Now, they didn't go deeper than that. But you can see where we are today with AI and everything else, and these, you know, these robots that are coming. Maybe they knew something about that. But they decided to take an, a biological being and genetically modify and program that to do the work, and that's exactly what they did.

Joe Rogan 18:33 Well, if they really knew what we would be capable of, and that we would be illogical, overpopulation would be a gigantic issue.

Billy Carson 18:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:40 And in many parts... I mean, it's not really that big of an issue here except for in cities, but in many parts of the world, it's the whole country.

Billy Carson 18:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:47 The whole country is New York City-

Billy Carson 18:48 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... which is just fucking bonkers.

Billy Carson 18:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 You know, and you got to wonder... It's actually not true. It's like, it's not even that bad, even in China. China has a lot of open space. But when you're in those cities, they are massive.

Billy Carson 18:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:59 And they are filled with people.

Billy Carson 19:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:02 And that is probably what you'd imagine a, a higher being would do if it was like us.

Billy Carson 19:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Like, kind of illogical.

Billy Carson 19:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:10 And kind of a little bit reckless, and-

Billy Carson 19:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:12 ... has a little bit too much technology for the average person-

Billy Carson 19:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:15 ... that didn't develop the technology, but all of a sudden you got some 85 IQ dope-

Billy Carson 19:19 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:19 ... who has access to all the things that all these geniuses have created.

Billy Carson 19:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:24 I mean, you could... I mean, you could figure... We talked to Michio Kaku. He built a nuclear reactor in his house-

Billy Carson 19:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:31 ... when he was a kid. (laughs)

Billy Carson 19:32 (laughs) I heard about that.

Joe Rogan 19:33 I mean-

Billy Carson 19:33 That was crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:34 That's crazy.

Billy Carson 19:35 Yeah. I know.

Joe Rogan 19:35 That's so crazy. But there's a lot of different stuff that you can do and have access to technology that is beyond anything you would ever be able to invent with your own mind.

Billy Carson 19:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:46 But because we share things across the board, we're... You would imagine that if you were an enlightened being from-

Billy Carson 19:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:50 ... another planet that's a million years more advanced than us, you'd go, "I see where this one's going." (laughs)

Billy Carson 19:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:55 You know, like you have that cousin who's an alcoholic, and then he wins the lottery. Like, "Oh, shit, Derek just won the lottery."

Billy Carson 20:01 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:03 "Fuck!" (laughs)

Billy Carson 20:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:03 "This is gonna be crazy."

Billy Carson 20:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:05 Derek's got $200 million.

Billy Carson 20:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:06 It's gonna be fucking insane.

Billy Carson 20:07 It's crazy. And they knew they were, they were going outside their own guidelines and their own laws, their parameters, because they made a statement in the text. They said, "The creator of all is going to punish them," or they would have to answer to the creator of all for what they did here. So and that, that lets you know they weren't really gods. They knew themselves that they weren't the creator of the universe, but that they, um, they masqueraded as gods on this planet.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Just like we did when, you know, when different versions of human civilization would find primitive tribes, like the cargo tribe-

Billy Carson 20:37 Cargo cults.

Joe Rogan 20:38 The cargo cult that you talked about in your documentary.

Billy Carson 20:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:40 That is so fascinating-

Billy Carson 20:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:42 ... that during World War II-

Billy Carson 20:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:43 ... planes landed on these remote places.

Billy Carson 20:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:45 And these people built mock planes-

Billy Carson 20:48 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:48 ... to show, like, what the thing was that came to visit them-

Billy Carson 20:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:50 ... that they thought were like gods.

Billy Carson 20:52 Wild. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:52 Do you think that if the Anunnaki are real and if, if Nibiru really exists, and there's another planet with highly intelligent beings that are far more advanced than us. I- if that's the case, do you think there's more advanced and more advanced and more-

Billy Carson 21:10 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:10 ... just like we are to chimpanzees, they are to us.

Billy Carson 21:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:14 And then another race is to them-

Billy Carson 21:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:16 ... and then it just keeps going on and on forever until you're God.

Billy Carson 21:18 Absolutely. I believe there's, uh, there's levels to the game, just like there's levels in terms of how we live on this planet.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Yeah.

Billy Carson 21:24 You know, we have a first world, second world, third world, just here on Earth. Now, magnify that as a fractal, as a universe as a whole, you have civilizations that are a million, two million, maybe even a billion years ahead. And every universe progress... Every, every... Not every universe. Every civilization progressing within the universe at a specific rate. So, you can have beings that have already maybe even shed their corporeal bodies and only exist as beings of energetic light, and then you have everything all the way back down towards us. In the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, he actually says that he has achieved the ability to incarnate at will on and in the plane he desires. He claims to be able to incarnate whenever he wants, and even into other dimensions, which is wild.

Joe Rogan 22:01 That's next level.

Billy Carson 22:02 Yeah, that's next level.

Joe Rogan 22:03 But it does make sense that if we're capable of doing what we're doing... We were talking about your phone, the Samsung-

Billy Carson 22:09 Mm-hmm. Right.

Joe Rogan 22:09 ... Galaxy S24 Ultra with zooms-

Billy Carson 22:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:12 ... and all this different shit. That's magic-

Billy Carson 22:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 ... to someone just 200 years ago. And if we keep, if it keeps going-

Billy Carson 22:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:20 ... and you keep, like, playing this out as far as possible, it kind of makes sense there would be levels to the kind of intelligent life that exists in the universe, beyond our comprehension.

Billy Carson 22:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:30 What... Do you... Have you talked to Terrence Howard? Do you know his theory about how planets are created?

Billy Carson 22:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:35 That it's just things ejecting from the sun over billions and billions of years, and that there's a Goldilocks zone where you can create life.

Billy Carson 22:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:43 And that's where the people are.

Billy Carson 22:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:45 And then as this Goldilocks zone gets buil... You have to be super technologically a-... proficient-

Billy Carson 22:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:50 ... in order to control your environment to the extent where you no longer require the sun-

Billy Carson 22:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:54 ... in order to keep you alive. That kind of makes sense-

Billy Carson 22:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:57 ... if Nibiru is out there past Pluto.

Billy Carson 22:59 Oh, it makes a lot of sense.

Joe Rogan 23:00 It makes sense that they-

Billy Carson 23:01 Shout out to Terrence Howard because I just talked to him a couple hours ago.

Joe Rogan 23:03 Oh, okay.

Billy Carson 23:03 Yeah. I mean, so We were talking about wave conjugations-

Joe Rogan 23:06 That did loo-

Billy Carson 23:06 ... and everything, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Fucked me up for like three days. (laughs)

Billy Carson 23:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:09 I left his podcast for three days. I was like, "God damn."

Billy Carson 23:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:13 First of all, how the fuck is he so smart?

Billy Carson 23:15 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Like, how would you ever imagine that a dude who's a actor on a television show-

Billy Carson 23:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:20 ... or, or in a movie is that smart?

Billy Carson 23:21 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 23:22 Like, like freaky smart.

Billy Carson 23:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:24 But, but the, his theory about the creation of planets, I was like, "Oh, that makes sense."

Billy Carson 23:29 Oh, it makes a lot of sense.

Joe Rogan 23:29 We watch stuff fly off the sun all the time.

Billy Carson 23:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:33 And if that this matter over time-

Billy Carson 23:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:36 ... would coalesce-

Billy Carson 23:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:37 ... and become a planet.

Billy Carson 23:38 Yeah, it creates an accretion disk. And, uh, everything in space creates accretion disks. So once that matter-

Joe Rogan 23:42 What is that word? Accretion disk?

Billy Carson 23:43 Accretion, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:44 What does that mean?

Billy Carson 23:44 An accretion disk. So once you have a certain amount of mass in space, it instantaneously, on its own, wants to create this circular... Like the shape of our Milky Way galaxy, wants to start swerv- cir- circling and swerving around itself. And then as it does that, it creates, begins to create friction. And as that cri- that friction increases, the, the, the matter begins to collapse in towards each other, all right, based on its own energy. And then it then forms a ball, and that then builds and attracts more mass until it builds into a moon or a planet or whatever, you know.

Joe Rogan 24:15 What do you do when you encounter flat Earth people?

Billy Carson 24:17 Oh, man, I just, I just try to be quiet. I just tell them, "Look, it's not my thing," you know. I remember Flat Earth Society offered me money years and years ago.

Joe Rogan 24:24 (laughs)

Billy Carson 24:25 Um, yeah, and I was like, "No, I don't believe the Earth is flat, and I'm not getting involved with this." And they-

Joe Rogan 24:29 I do.

Billy Carson 24:29 ... really attacked me hard. Death threats-

Joe Rogan 24:31 Yeah.

Billy Carson 24:31 ... and everything else.

Joe Rogan 24:32 They get very upset.

Billy Carson 24:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:33 I do not understand. I just think it's people committing to an idea.

Billy Carson 24:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:36 It just doesn't make sense.

Billy Carson 24:37 Well, it's a religion now. They turned it into a religion. Anytime that people can attack you so brutally over that... I mean, you're, you're ta- I'm on live talking about quantum physics, and they're in there chat, "The Fl- Earth is flat. The Earth is..." I mean, so that's-

Joe Rogan 24:50 (laughs)

Billy Carson 24:50 ... that's like, I mean, one guy-

Joe Rogan 24:51 I'm fascinated by it because the pe-

Billy Carson 24:53 It's interesting.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Yeah, because it's the ultimate conspiracy theory.

Billy Carson 24:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:57 The ultimate conspiracy theory is that we are all on a set, and that the wor- the, the Earth is flat. It's a disk. There's a wall. The government's aware of it. They won't let you pass a certain distance.

Billy Carson 25:08 The ice walls.

Joe Rogan 25:08 Yeah, there's ice walls.

Billy Carson 25:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:09 And that space is just lights in the sky.

Billy Carson 25:12 Right, that's it. And the, the sun is a, is a bulb-

Joe Rogan 25:15 Whoosh.

Billy Carson 25:15 ... and, uh-

Joe Rogan 25:16 Yo. (laughs)

Billy Carson 25:16 ... and all this kinda stuff. It's wild.

Joe Rogan 25:17 It's, and, and it's attached to-

Billy Carson 25:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:20 ... uh, a, a version of Christianity, which is very interesting.

Billy Carson 25:22 It is. It's tied into Christianity, the 6,000-year-old theme.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Mm-hmm.

Billy Carson 25:25 The Earth is only 6,000 years old. The reason why people think the Earth is 6,000 years old is because most of the tablets are 6,000 years old. And the Bible was written from the information that came from tablets, so that's as far back as anybody's, quote-unquote, "knowledge" seems to extend. That's where the 6,000-year-old theory comes from, but they've taken that thing and turned it into a religion. I remember one guy DM me, and he was going off and telling me he was gonna shoot me in the head and all this stuff.

Joe Rogan 25:46 (laughs)

Billy Carson 25:46 And I said, "Let me ask you a question. If there's no atmosphere, then what are you breathing right now?" He goes, "What do you mean? Well, I'm br- I'm breath- I'm breathing oxygen." I said, "Well, that's a gas." "Gas doesn't exist." I said, "Well, then you should be dead then because you're breathing a gas." And, "What else do you, are, are you inhaling when you breathe?" He goes, "Oxygen." I said, "Well, no, you're breathing in, you know, helium, krypton, you know, all these other-

Joe Rogan 26:05 Mostly nitrogen.

Billy Carson 26:06 Yeah, nitrogen. I said, "You're breathing in all these other gases. Oxygen is only about 21% of that. Otherwise, you'd be dead," you know? So-

Joe Rogan 26:12 Yeah.

Billy Carson 26:13 He didn't under- he couldn't tell you. I said, "Did you graduate from high school?" He said, "No." I said, "I stopped talking," 'cause that's when I realized, don't waste your energy on these people.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Well, there's a lot of dudes, unfortunately, who just get on YouTube, and they listen to very charismatic people talk-

Billy Carson 26:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:24 ... that don't know what they're talking about, which I do all the time.

Billy Carson 26:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:26 But they, but they-

Billy Carson 26:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:28 ... they do it in a way-

Billy Carson 26:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:29 ... where they pretend they know something is true that's not true.

Billy Carson 26:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:32 And people get sucked into it.

Billy Carson 26:34 I know.

Joe Rogan 26:34 And I just don't understand why you would think that Earth is the only one out of all these things that we've observed that's flat.

Billy Carson 26:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:41 It just doesn't make any sense. And I think this is, respectfully, to all these people that believe that, I think it's a giant waste of time.

Billy Carson 26:47 It is.

Joe Rogan 26:48 I think concentrating on the shape of the Earth, even if it was flat, who fucking cares?

Billy Carson 26:55 Means nothing.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Look at what's going on out there.

Billy Carson 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 It would be kinda crazy if it was flat. That would kinda, like, bolster the idea that we're the shit-

Billy Carson 27:01 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:01 ... and that we're, we're just so much more powerful and advanced and special than everything else in the universe 'cause we're the only ones that exist on a flat plane.

Billy Carson 27:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:10 But the whole thing is just so insane.

Billy Carson 27:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Just what we know about the physical universe itself-

Billy Carson 27:16 Of course.

Joe Rogan 27:16 ... and about-

Billy Carson 27:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:17 ... atoms and d- just, just what we know about all the matter that exists in our lives is insane.

Billy Carson 27:24 Right. Yeah, it's insane. I mean, you know, obviously, they haven't, they haven't tapped into... Even, f- forget quantum, they... Standard physics, they don't, they don't com- they don't comprehend it. Uh, and so because of that, you know, they're lost. I mean, satellites don't exist, obviously, to them, so I remember-

Joe Rogan 27:38 But that's a kooky one.

Billy Carson 27:39 I remember, uh, Hurricane Maria-

Joe Rogan 27:40 Satellites don't exist is a, is, is a kooky one.

Billy Carson 27:42 It's-

Joe Rogan 27:42 Like, bro, you can watch them.

Billy Carson 27:43 And you, I mean, it's crazy. Har- hurricane Maria comes and destroys, uh, the, the Caribbean, and I, I unfortunately had some loved ones that were involved in that. And I posted a picture of the hurricane 'cause I was raising money for hurricane supplies, and they were commenting and attacking, "That's a fake image. It doesn't exist." I'm like, "Wow."

Joe Rogan 27:57 How m- but h- let me ask you this. How much of that is bullshit? Like, how much of that is government, either entities from other foreign governments, where they're, they jump into these subjects-

Billy Carson 28:09 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:09 ... to make people seem really stupid?

Billy Carson 28:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:11 And when people say s- something really stupid, if they have... One of the things they like to do is put a foreign flag-

Billy Carson 28:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:15 ... like American flag, rather-

Billy Carson 28:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:16 ... in their, in their little-

Billy Carson 28:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 ... their profile.

Billy Carson 28:18 They always have that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:19 And they're just saying the dumbest shit.

Billy Carson 28:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:21 And I'm going, "I don't know if this is a real person." I think it's not. I think it's one of those person- one of those things that's designed to muddy up any discourse about anything.

Billy Carson 28:30 Yeah, it's a PSYOP. I, I t- I'm telling you. I told people a long time ago, this whole flat Earth thing was a CIA PSYOP.

Joe Rogan 28:35 I think it was too.

Billy Carson 28:36 They just drop it in there and see what happens.

Joe Rogan 28:36 If it wasn't a CIA PSYOP, it was someone-

Billy Carson 28:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:39 ... from 4Chan who just wanted-

Billy Carson 28:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:40 ... to be silly-

Billy Carson 28:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:41 ... and went so hard with explanations that a lot of gullible people without science degrees, like me-

Billy Carson 28:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:47 ... um, (laughs) they fucking, they went along with it. And it's just one of those things where it's just, man, what a giant waste of time.

Billy Carson 28:53 It is, it's a waste of energy. And there's so much more we can learn, like these ancient texts. And people say, "Well, why are you always focused on the ancient past?" Well, because the past is prologue. If we don't understand what happened back then, we're doomed to continue to repeat these cycles of time that we've been in for quite some time, for eons.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah, I mean, it's just-

Billy Carson 29:08 You know?

Joe Rogan 29:08 ... direct evidence that civilizations don't last when they go kooky.

Billy Carson 29:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:13 You know, and the things go sideways, and there's natural disasters and wars that reshape landscapes. Like, look-

Billy Carson 29:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:18 ... that's all there. And it's happening right now.

Billy Carson 29:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 29:20 B- when if we're not aware of it, it'll happen to us.

Billy Carson 29:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:23 And then we'll be a footnote of history. We'll be one of those things, there was this amazing country called America.

Billy Carson 29:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:28 They got crazy.

Billy Carson 29:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:29 They created all this art and culture-

Billy Carson 29:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:31 ... and they, they did amazing things, but they went fucking sideways.

Billy Carson 29:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 29:34 They sold out the money. They got involved in wars. And, and then the next thing you know-

Billy Carson 29:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:39 The world is operating essentially like communist China.

Billy Carson 29:42 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 29:42 The whole world.

Billy Carson 29:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:43 And that's possible too, kids.

Billy Carson 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:45 All right? You gotta be- you gotta fight for this, 'cause-

Billy Carson 29:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:47 ... whatever this thing is that we have, this is like super fucking unique. But if you don't wanna look at the past, you- if you're not fascinated by ancient structures, if you're not fascinated-

Billy Carson 29:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:58 ... by what kind of technology and knowledge did they have-

Billy Carson 30:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:03 ... 4,500 plus years ago to make the pyramids?

Billy Carson 30:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Who are these people?

Billy Carson 30:07 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 30:07 What were they doing?

Billy Carson 30:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:09 How did they do that? And what was that thing?

Billy Carson 30:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Was that a power plant?

Billy Carson 30:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:13 I mean, if you... I know you know that theory.

Billy Carson 30:15 Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:16 That is a crazy theory.

Billy Carson 30:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:17 That sounds so... it sounds completely wackadoo.

Billy Carson 30:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:21 But then when you have it laid out to you... Uh, Christopher... what's his last name?

Billy Carson 30:25 Dunn. Christopher Dunn.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Dunn. Christopher Dunn.

Billy Carson 30:26 I just had him on my podcast a few weeks ago. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:28 I just had him a couple weeks ago too. I just had a, uh, brain fart.

Billy Carson 30:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 The- i- his d- depiction of the mechanisms that would be involved in turning this giant structure into some sort of a power plant, you- you hear about it and you go, "Wait a minute."

Billy Carson 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:42 "Whoa."

Billy Carson 30:43 Yeah. No, it makes a lot of sense. And him and I have very similar theories on how the- the- the- the power generation occurred. Uh, and I believe that the Nile, you know, when it used to run up close to the pyramids, and the water would run underneath the pyramid, and that would create something called physiostatic electricity as it ran underneath that magnetized crystal granite. Those ions would pour up into the chamber, move up the- the grand gallery where there used to be resonating rods. If you can see the slots where the rods used to be, they were removed now, but the slots are still there. Then it would be pushed into the king's chamber wh- where it would be amplified, and some type of fusion would take place, then forced up through the apex, and then the crystal granite obelisks around the region, would capture that ambient wireless electricity. And then, if you had something called a jed, which looks like a Tesla coil, you can, you can capture that energy and you can transfer it into a device for gold electroplating, uh, for any of the electrical tools you need. Like some of the tools they had to have used to create some of these incredible works of art. You can- we can see the tool marks so we know they had the tools. And- but they had wireless electricity way back then.

Joe Rogan 31:45 That's insane. That is... If that's true, that's insane.

Billy Carson 31:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:49 'Cause you would think there would be some kind of physical evidence of a device.

Billy Carson 31:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Like something leftover, some sort of a, you know, ancient chainsaw.

Billy Carson 31:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Like something.

Billy Carson 31:59 Yeah. They did a great job cleaning up. I mean, they poured sand over Giza to bury another couple hundred pyramids there at Giza.

Joe Rogan 32:06 Do you think they poured sand? Do you think that's just natural erosion over time? You could... Because when, when Giza, when the pyramids existed, it was a very different place, right? Like, if you go back before the pyramids, like 9,000 years ago, it was a lush rainforest, right?

Billy Carson 32:20 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:20 And then, over time, it became sand. And, uh, the same with the entire Sahara Desert.

Billy Carson 32:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:25 Y- which is really crazy. We just f- we're talking about it the other day, they find whale bones-

Billy Carson 32:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:30 ... in the Sahara Desert.

Billy Carson 32:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:32 Just-

Billy Carson 32:32 I'm going to the Valley of the Whales in a few weeks, in Egypt, actually. It's no... You know, it's, it's incredible that there's whale bones out there also, so we're going out there to, to the Valley of the Whales.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Whale bones?

Billy Carson 32:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Wo- whoa.

Billy Carson 32:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:44 But, so th- the, the point being that this, this place has changed radically.

Billy Carson 32:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Like r- absolutely radically over time.

Billy Carson 32:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 So, who knows what's c- Do you know why those things were covered up? Is it possible that it was just sand over time?

Billy Carson 32:57 Well, if you look at the tablets again, they talk about this war, right? And this war that occurred, there's a lot of wars obviously, but this one particular war, it seems like the same one that damaged the area or the region of the Giza Plateau, also Mohenjodaro in the Indus Valley up there by Pakistan. And the reason why it's interesting is, if you look at the war in the text and then go to those areas, it looks now, almost you can begin to see, oh, wait a minute, it's, it looks like war. Mohenjodaro in this valley, the buildings turned to glass. The sand turned to glass, and the bodies are still laying in the street right now today, holding hands. Never been scavenged by animals. So how-

Joe Rogan 33:32 Wait a minute, where is this?

Billy Carson 33:33 Mohenjodaro, in the-

Joe Rogan 33:35 Are there photos that we can look at?

Billy Carson 33:36 Oh, yeah. Look it up. Mohenjodaro, Indus Valley. Dead bodies still laying in the street, thousands of years later. And guess what?

Joe Rogan 33:42 Nobody just... they just lay there?

Billy Carson 33:43 Just laid there.

Joe Rogan 33:43 No one's covered them up?

Billy Carson 33:44 No one's covered them up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:46 All right.

Billy Carson 33:46 And when you put a Geiger counter over them, higher than background level radiation. Okay?

Joe Rogan 33:50 Really?

Billy Carson 33:51 Yeah. And if you-

Joe Rogan 33:51 But aren't stones higher than background level radiation?

Billy Carson 33:54 Some stones are.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Okay.

Billy Carson 33:55 Some stones are. Especially like diorite and, uh, crystal granite. But these bodies, these are just bones. How come they're higher than background level, level radiation?

Joe Rogan 34:03 I- I can't wait to see this.

Billy Carson 34:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:04 I... Why haven't I ever heard of this?

Billy Carson 34:05 Mohenjodaro. M-O-H-E-N... There you go.

Joe Rogan 34:09 Whoa.

Billy Carson 34:09 Yeah. This is evidence of a nuclear war or nuclear type of a war.

Joe Rogan 34:12 Go back to the other intr- the one... that one there? That one's insane.

Billy Carson 34:16 Yeah. There's bodies that are sitting on the edge of steps next to their own buildings that they lived in. The building has turned to glass. That's 3,000 plus degree temperature weapons fire.

Joe Rogan 34:26 So, there's a bunch of people that seemed to die all at once-

Billy Carson 34:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:29 ... just scattered around?

Billy Carson 34:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:31 Now, what's the conventional explanation for how these people died?

Billy Carson 34:33 They have no idea. They have zero idea. The only thing that you can-

Joe Rogan 34:37 That was just c- a couple, Jamie? Go to the other, this, the Mohenjodaro, mythical mass- massacre.

Billy Carson 34:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:45 So, th- they think it's a massacre? Do the... is there any e- it looks like there's just laying there.

Billy Carson 34:50 Look at the bodies. Just laying there. And the, that building, those stones are vitrified which means 3,000 plus degree temperature.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Oh, shit.

Billy Carson 34:57 Uh, what kind of, you know, what could have caused that level of temperature, e- energetic release, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:04 Well, it could have been a low atmosphere asteroid.

Billy Carson 35:06 It coulda been.

Joe Rogan 35:07 It coulda been.

Billy Carson 35:07 I mean, just like-

Joe Rogan 35:08 If that's possible.

Billy Carson 35:09 ... Tunguska.

Joe Rogan 35:10 Yeah, it could have been a low... But then their bones would have been splattered apart and broken up into pieces.

Billy Carson 35:14 Good call. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:15 Yeah.

Billy Carson 35:15 That's a good call. Yeah, because they don't seem-

Joe Rogan 35:18 Because-

Billy Carson 35:18 ... to be broken apart.

Joe Rogan 35:19 No, they're not broken apart.

Billy Carson 35:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:21 That impact would have shattered the bones and spread 'em out over a great distance.

Billy Carson 35:24 Right. But without impact, even if you just look at the one that burst in the atmosphere-

Joe Rogan 35:28 Mm-hmm.

Billy Carson 35:28 ... in Tunguska, it just flattened trees.

Joe Rogan 35:30 Flattened everything. All the trees.

Billy Carson 35:31 So, I think it's something insane like a million acres-

Joe Rogan 35:33 Yeah.

Billy Carson 35:33 ... or something crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah. It's incredible. So those bodies wouldn't have been there. How big was the, the Tunguska explosion?... that, that one's... Yeah. So those bodies would be toast-

Billy Carson 35:40 They'd be toast. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:40 ... 'cause the trees were ripped apart.

Billy Carson 35:42 The buildings would've been flattened.

Joe Rogan 35:43 The legs would've flown off.

Billy Carson 35:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:44 There's no way they would just be laying there like that.

Billy Carson 35:46 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 35:46 That's interesting.

Billy Carson 35:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 And they don't seem to be, like, chopped up.

Billy Carson 35:49 No.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Did they have any evidence of stab wounds or anything on them?

Billy Carson 35:53 They don't have any evidence of any injury or any kind of attack or any cutting or, like, swords or anything.

Joe Rogan 35:58 They just all got cooked.

Billy Carson 35:59 Right. And then, in the tablets it says that the evil wind moved over the land after they released these weapons, and they... and then, uh, Enki goes to his father. I mean, yeah, Enki goes to his father, Anu, and says, "Hey, um, can you stop the evil wind?" 'Cause he had fallen in love with some people, you know, and down there, and he, he's like, "There's nothing I can do." He said, "Get in your sky ship and forebode." That means, "Get the hell out of here." And he said that people's hair was falling out, their eyes were bleeding, their nose were bleeding, their fingernails were curling off. That sounds like radiation sickness.

Joe Rogan 36:27 So, you think it's radiation sickness that did this to all these people, or was it an impact that did this to all these people?

Billy Carson 36:33 Nobody, nobody knows, but-

Joe Rogan 36:33 Nobody knows.

Billy Carson 36:34 ... you know.

Joe Rogan 36:34 But they're, they're not blown apart.

Billy Carson 36:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:37 That's the thing.

Billy Carson 36:37 They're not blown apart. It seems like whatever, wherever, whatever struck, or whatever energetic weapon it was or if it may- it could have been not a... might not have been a weapon. Whatever it was, it seems like that shockwave reached them at some point, and whatever was in that wave-

Joe Rogan 36:51 Just killed everybody.

Billy Carson 36:52 That's what it did. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:54 And d- they just don't know what it is? So they... How does a conventional, uh, archeologist describe it? Do they just say it's a massacre?

Billy Carson 37:01 They just call it a mythical massacre, and they stay away-

Joe Rogan 37:03 Oh.

Billy Carson 37:03 ... from it. When you look in the other texts, the Mahabharata and the Bhagavad Gita, you find out about these wars also. They're-

Joe Rogan 37:09 Right.

Billy Carson 37:09 ... they're recorded. They have weapons called the Brahmastra and the Brahmandra weapon, and these weapons, they dup- what they're, what they describe them as doing duplicate what you saw there.

Joe Rogan 37:20 How do they describe them?

Billy Carson 37:21 They describe them, describe them as weapons that, once released, can't be revolted or can't be turned back, and that they will obliterate any area, any city. Uh, and they say that, uh, some of the... one of the weapons can destroy any man on three worlds. It's crazy stuff. This is where Oppenheimer-

Narrator 37:36 Whoosh.

Billy Carson 37:36 ... got his famous quote when he-

Joe Rogan 37:37 Yeah.

Billy Carson 37:37 ... obviously tested the nuke, right?

Joe Rogan 37:39 Right.

Billy Carson 37:39 "Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds." He got that from the Mahabharata.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Yeah.

Billy Carson 37:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:43 What a great quote-

Billy Carson 37:45 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:45 ... to say after you detonate the first nuclear bomb.

Billy Carson 37:47 Oh, man. Crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:48 What a great quote.

Billy Carson 37:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:49 So, so the idea is that there were beings that were having wars on this planet.

Billy Carson 37:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:56 Were they... Do you th- do you believe they were having wars with people that were revolting, or were they having wars with other beings?

Billy Carson 38:03 They were fighting with each other, and evidence of this, of these wars can be found in the Book of Deuteronomy in the modern-day Bible. These godS... And I do mean godS with an S 'cause everywhere in the Bible where it says God singular, it's actually a mistranslation. The actual... if you back words, uh, look up the translation in Arabic-

Joe Rogan 38:20 Yeah.

Billy Carson 38:20 ... and then down to Aramaic and everything else, you find out it's gods plural. They were fighting each other over resources and people and control of... and control of the planet. Uh, and so that's why in the Book of Deuteronomy, God tells people, "Go to this city," and it's, like, a far city where they, they don't even know th- these people exist. They go over there to kill them. He says, "Kill the women, kill the children, and bring the spoils of war back to me." And you see these wars in the Mahabharata, the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible, the Sumerian tablets, and these wars are just nonstop. The Indian Vedas. And it's always about attacking another city and, uh, even talk about Troj- Trojan Horse methods to get behind the gates and then to, you know, utilize that to attack and kill and bring back these spoils, which is pretty crazy stuff. It's like they were attacking each other. They had gone awry. They had gone rogue out here on this planet and then began to fight over, over people and populations and, and resources.

Joe Rogan 39:13 And we would hope that we would get past that.

Billy Carson 39:15 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:16 But there's no evidence that we have so far.

Billy Carson 39:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:18 So, like, why would we think that as AI gets implemented-

Billy Carson 39:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:22 ... and technology-

Billy Carson 39:23 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 39:23 ... escalates and, and all we're gonna be able to do in the future in terms of being able to go visit other planets and-

Billy Carson 39:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:28 ... duke it out on other planets.

Billy Carson 39:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:30 Like, there was a whole story today about, uh, China just landed on the far side of the moon.

Billy Carson 39:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:34 So they landed a probe over there.

Billy Carson 39:35 Yeah. Yeah. They did.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Which is, it's i- this is, you know, there w- the China-America war on the moon.

Billy Carson 39:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Like, what if America claims a spot, and China lands and plants a flag there, and they're like, "Hey, fuck you. That's ours"? (laughs)

Billy Carson 39:47 Right. Now, that, that's what's gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Especially if there's, like, something on the moon they can mine that's very valuable.

Billy Carson 39:51 Oh, there's stuff up there.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Yeah.

Billy Carson 39:52 I researched the Clementine mission years ago. Uh, NASA and the United States military sent a military... At the time, it was a top secret mission called Clementine. It was a low lunar orbiting satellite to go to the dark side of the moon. And when I saw the name Clementine, I knew right away this thing ain't coming back. And as I began to dig deeper into the declassified documents, of course it never came back 'cause Oh My Do-

Joe Rogan 40:12 Why'd you think it's... Oh, right.

Billy Carson 40:13 Oh My Darling Clementine-

Joe Rogan 40:14 Clementine. That's right.

Billy Carson 40:14 ... you were lost-

Joe Rogan 40:15 You were lost and gone forever.

Billy Carson 40:16 ... and gone forever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:17 (laughs) Wow.

Billy Carson 40:18 And I was right. And sure enough, it hit something on the dark side of the moon, which is really just the backside. It's not really dark there, but it hit something and... but it sent aback- sent back about 20 gigs of data. And these images are available to the general public. They've been declassified, and there are strange anomalies on those image. This is pre-Photoshop, pre-everything. Things that shouldn't be there that look like broken structures and junk and things that just seem to be laying around. Um, so I think it was a recognizance mission to gather intel and data, which is probably why China's gone to the, to that far side of the moon as well because they're probably gonna... It's a race to see who can cr- capture ancient technology and then reverse engineer it and then weaponize it.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Well, that's the most fun theory ever.

Billy Carson 41:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:02 The most fun theory ever is that there's bases on the moon, on the dark side of the moon, that aliens have abandoned.

Billy Carson 41:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Jamie, are there any photos of these anomalies? That's the most fun theory.

Billy Carson 41:11 I can bri- I can provide you some with links to the sources, too.

Joe Rogan 41:14 Okay.

Billy Carson 41:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:14 That'd be cool. But Jamie will probably find something.

Billy Carson 41:16 Cool.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Um, so what do these structures look like to you when you look at them?

Billy Carson 41:21 There's dome structures there. One of the-

Joe Rogan 41:22 A dome.

Billy Carson 41:23 There's domes. Uh, and matter of fact, one of the astronauts, I think it was Neil Armstrong, if you get the declassified from the Freedom o- Freedom of Information Act documents that, uh, are the, um, the black box audio and the black box redacted text statement from NASA, which is available to the general public, Neil says, "Look at those convex structures down there. I bet the people in there never get out." And he's talking about dome structures on the moon. And this is an exact statement that was made that's in the black box audio, which I can provide you to the link to that as well.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Okay. So where are these structures?Do you see any of these that you find compelling?

Billy Carson 41:56 You can look for, uh, anomalies on the backside of the moon. Um, we ke- we have... We utilize a lot of these on our Facebook groups on, uh, on Facebook, we have these groups, anomaly hunting groups. We formed the United Family of Anomaly Hunters, and we've cataloged about 60,000 anomalies now. A lot of them are, uh, are on the dark side of the moon. Uh, but I tell you, type in "clementine moon photos anomaly," you may be able to find some. If not, I'll send you the link to some resources where you can look them up, and, uh, you can take a look at some of these crazy objects that are there.

Joe Rogan 42:28 So is that one right there in the upper right-hand corner?

Billy Carson 42:31 Yeah. That one's, there is some structure. Those kind of look like two pyramids off to the left of it, and then another structure which almost seems like it has geometry. Now underneath that, you see the blur? That looks like obfuscation. Directly, uh, you know, if you go back-

Joe Rogan 42:45 Which one?

Billy Carson 42:45 ... up to that top right.

Joe Rogan 42:46 Top right?

Billy Carson 42:47 Yeah. Top right, B. Okay, you see that, where his hand is? Now move to the left going down slowly. See how that up... See that go back up again? See that? Where his hand is over right now?

Joe Rogan 42:56 Mm-hmm.

Billy Carson 42:57 That looks like obfuscation. Sometimes you can take these images and put them into Photoshop and take away the, uh, contrast, and all of a sudden structures pop right out. But right above that, you see those shadows of those pyramid structures?

Joe Rogan 43:08 Right above that?

Billy Carson 43:09 Yeah. You see those pyramids? You can see the... You can see this dark shadow. See the s-

Joe Rogan 43:12 I see two lines.

Billy Carson 43:13 Okay. If you-

Joe Rogan 43:14 Well, I see the arrow that's pointing to that one straight line, and then I see what looks like two superimposed arrows.

Billy Carson 43:20 Okay. Do you see?

Joe Rogan 43:21 Yeah, those things.

Billy Carson 43:22 Okay. Yeah. Now-

Joe Rogan 43:23 Those are superimposed, right? Like...

Billy Carson 43:24 No. Those are shadows.

Joe Rogan 43:26 But look, those are the same things that are in the bottom.

Billy Carson 43:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:29 Aren't they just pointing at something? Aren't those pointers?

Billy Carson 43:32 I think they're hi... They may be highlighting something.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Right. I think it's a cursor mark or something. So what they're... I see what they're pointing to. They're pointing to that thing in the upper right-hand corner.

Billy Carson 43:39 You see it there?

Joe Rogan 43:40 Because it kind of looks like a pyramid.

Billy Carson 43:41 Yeah. You see that, you see that right there?

Joe Rogan 43:42 Yeah.

Billy Carson 43:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:43 It kinda looks like a pyramid.

Billy Carson 43:44 It's cleaned up a little bit there in C. C is more clean. But, you know, those struc... Those, those things don't look like they belong there.

Joe Rogan 43:50 Well, it's hard to tell.

Billy Carson 43:51 Yeah, it's hard to tell. But now we have really... There was... That pyramid right there is very famous. That's a very old image-

Joe Rogan 43:57 Where's that one?

Billy Carson 43:57 ... that's on the moon. There's a-

Joe Rogan 43:58 Hmm.

Billy Carson 43:58 There should be a link to that. There's a lot of, a lot of that, that particular one has been around for years and years and years. It's kinda hard to think that that was formed by natural... Now, and what, what happens is we're not saying we know exactly what these things are. We're just saying that we feel like they don't belong there.

Joe Rogan 44:12 Jamie, go back to that image that you were just looking at, the thing that looked like a pyramid.

Narrator 44:17 Oh, this one?

Joe Rogan 44:17 That one, yeah.

Billy Carson 44:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Yeah, get that one big. Hmm. That one's crazy.

Billy Carson 44:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 That one's very strange looking. 'Cause the way it points at the top and has flat sides, like...

Billy Carson 44:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:28 You know, like, yeah.

Billy Carson 44:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:30 And so if that's real, that's interesting.

Billy Carson 44:32 Yeah.

Narrator 44:32 Do you know how tall that is by any chance?

Joe Rogan 44:34 That's a good question. But-

Billy Carson 44:35 There's a mea... there's a measuring tool. We don't have it, obviously, access to it right here.

Joe Rogan 44:39 God, it seems so flat on-

Billy Carson 44:39 But there, but there is a, but there is a measuring tool. You can see the shadow, which gives you an, uh, a idea of the height.

Joe Rogan 44:44 I'd like to see it in real life though. You know what I mean?

Billy Carson 44:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:46 Like, sometimes things fuck with you. It's just... But the angle is so unnatural looking.

Billy Carson 44:50 Yeah, definitely looks unnatural. We just try to catalog things that appear to be anomalies, things that appear to be out of place.

Joe Rogan 44:56 Right. It could be anything.

Billy Carson 44:57 And if... In the, in the Sumerian tablets, there was this time where Enlil takes his son to the moon, and he says, "Well, grab your eagle's mask, because you're gonna need it," they were referencing that the atmosphere was, was harsh.

Joe Rogan 45:08 Oh, yeah, the eagle's mask.

Billy Carson 45:08 So when you see the... when you see the Annunaki with the eagle's head, that's actually their helmet. It's a helmet.

Joe Rogan 45:14 So they could breathe air.

Billy Carson 45:15 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 45:16 (laughs)

Billy Carson 45:16 They talk about it twice, once to go to the moon, and the second time to go to Mars.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yeah. And there's been other depictions of ancient gods and people that look like they're wearing some kind of mask too.

Billy Carson 45:26 Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Which is... I mean, one of the cooler ones is the, the bubble space head looking guys in the cave.

Billy Carson 45:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:33 And you're like, "What did you guys see?"

Billy Carson 45:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:34 Like, what did you guys see in the middle-

Billy Carson 45:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:36 ... of, like, hunting gazelles, trying to stay alive, trying to make a fire, and then you decide to draw that thing?

Billy Carson 45:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:41 What is that?

Billy Carson 45:42 And we know they can draw, 'cause they can show you what a gazelle is. They can show you what a cat-

Joe Rogan 45:45 Yes.

Billy Carson 45:45 ... what cattle is. They can show you what a person looks like.

Joe Rogan 45:47 Yes. Yes.

Billy Carson 45:48 But then they draw that, and you have to think, "Well, why?"

Joe Rogan 45:51 Right. Why is that the only thing you drew that's fake?

Billy Carson 45:54 Right. Exactly. They just didn't have the time to waste.

Joe Rogan 45:56 It looks like... And it looks like a dude in a suit-

Billy Carson 45:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 ... with a, with a helmet on (laughs) .

Billy Carson 45:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:00 And how... Here's the question. How many different things are visiting us?

Billy Carson 46:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Like, and from how many different places?

Billy Carson 46:07 Oh, a lot.

Joe Rogan 46:08 If... We, we can't just think everything's gonna look exactly the same. That seems just as silly-

Billy Carson 46:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:14 ... as thinking that all of our animals should look exactly the same.

Billy Carson 46:17 Correct. I think we have three different levels of visitation going on simultaneously. One is corporeal beings in a physical body, most likely anatomically similar to us, you know, uh, uh, bilateral, bipedal organism with two forward-facing eyes, maybe one or two sets of hands.

Joe Rogan 46:31 Do you think it's what we eventually become?

Billy Carson 46:34 It's... Right.

Joe Rogan 46:35 What they are?

Billy Carson 46:35 It's possible that maybe we already are them, just a, um... You know, Earth could be an abandoned seed colony. We... Uh, every culture that I've talked to indigenously around the planet all say they were seeded on this planet by Pleiadians or other beings, Star Brothers in various different places. So it's pretty interesting.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Like the Dogons?

Billy Carson 46:52 Like the Dogons, the Nommo, the Hopi and the Lakota tribe, the Star Brothers. The aboriginal elders say that they were seeded here by Pleiadians. All of a sudden, why is everybody having the same story that we were, we were brought here? We could be genetically... I don't believe we're even from Earth, to be quite honest with you. Our circadic rhythm doesn't even match Earth's, uh, uh, rotation on its axis. We're slightly off. It's actually better tuned to Mars' orbit on its, uh, uh, rotation on its own axis than it is Earth.

Joe Rogan 47:14 What do you mean? How does that work?

Billy Carson 47:15 The circadic rhythm of a human body, the wake and sleep cycle, is actually more tuned to, to Mars', uh, rotation on its own axis. A Mars day versus an Earth day, which is pretty weird, that we don't... We aren't synced to our own planet after all these thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands of years.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Is that the same as our circadian? Circadian?

Billy Carson 47:32 Circadian rhythm, right.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Uh, so when... How do they calculate it's more tuned to Mars? Like, how does that work?

Billy Carson 47:38 Well, it's just they, they... Geneticists and, and scientists discovered that our day, our, our perfect, uh, wake and sleep cycle is more tuned to Mars' rotation on its axis, which is about 23 and, and something minute hours, and versus Earth being 24 hours. And so they said, "Wow, this is incredible." And the more they tested it and the more they studied it, they realized we're more tuned to, to the Mars than we are to Earth, which is pretty strange.

Joe Rogan 48:04 We are weird.

Billy Carson 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 We have... We accept shit like Leap Year.

Billy Carson 48:07 Right (laughs) . (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:08 Like, what kind of wack calendar do you have where ... (laughs)

Billy Carson 48:13 It was makeup stuff.

Joe Rogan 48:14 If some-

Billy Carson 48:15 I know.

Joe Rogan 48:15 ... some d- years, the month is longer?

Billy Carson 48:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:17 What the fuck are you doing? Like-

Billy Carson 48:18 I know. But what?

Joe Rogan 48:19 ... make a better calendar. Isn't there a better calendar?

Billy Carson 48:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Shouldn't there be, like, a digital calendar that represents exactly what's going on?

Billy Carson 48:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:25 And not go, "January, February."

Billy Carson 48:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:28 Come on. Get the fuck outta here.

Billy Carson 48:29 I know. It's pretty-

Joe Rogan 48:30 It's so dumb.

Billy Carson 48:30 ... pretty bizarre. But you know what's interesting? If you wanna say, "Oh, human beings could be aliens," well, actually, every person on this planet is an alien. Even our planet itself is an alien. Scientists just discovered something interesting. I've never talked about this yet on a podcast, so you guys can look this up. So, our Milky Way galaxy is pretty interesting because it's absorbing another galaxy at this exact moment, called the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. Not the Sagittarius constellation. That's something totally different. We are abs- absorbing the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy at this exact moment. People thought for all these decades, looking at, or even hundreds of years, looking up in the night sky, seeing that swath of stars going across, "Oh, that's the Milky Way." Guess what? We've been wrong the whole time. This is now being taught in universities in astrophysics. So, what you- we're looking at, you're looking at the absorption or the, uh, the merging of the Sagittarius with the Milky Way Galaxy. And the exact point where it merges and drops into the Milky Way is right where our solar system is located, which would explain the rogue planets that we know that are out there. There's millions of rogue planets that have no sun that are just floating free around. There's planets and, and solar systems that are orbiting far beyond the orbit of Pluto in our inner Oort Cloud, admitted by ast- uh, by astronomers now, that there's o- other solar systems within this inner Oort Cloud area, orbiting our sun every 40 to 200 years. So, all of a sudden ... Uh, that's Corey Powell, the ast- astronomer, uh, uh, at Discovery Magazine, by the way, who said that. So this is pretty interesting. We're talking about the fact that our solar system itself is an implant into the Milky Way, that we come from Sagittarius. We're not even part of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Joe Rogan 50:06 Whoa. Okay. So, when they're looking at our own solar system-

Billy Carson 50:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:12 ... they have, uh, an understanding that there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that's out there.

Billy Carson 50:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:18 And there's so many objects in there that are small.

Billy Carson 50:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:20 And that's one of the reasons why they decided to declassify Pluto as a planet-

Billy Carson 50:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:24 ... because there's other objects re- real similar in size.

Billy Carson 50:26 Yeah, Makemake and all those other planets.

Joe Rogan 50:28 But they think there's something large out there.

Billy Carson 50:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:31 They think there's something large out there that they haven't yet identified because of the way th- the, that gravity is responding. Like, uh, what about it, what is the reason for it?

Billy Carson 50:40 Well, what happens is they discovered that in some way, millions of years ago, something moved through our solar system and captured its own weird orbit around our sun. And what's crazy is, the evidence is in our solar system. So Saturn and Neptune switched locations because of a gravitational field. Uranus is flipped on its side and orbits, its, its, its equator is orbiting north and south, not east and west. And they know that some-

Joe Rogan 51:04 Like it got hit.

Billy Carson 51:04 ... like it got hit or something gravitationally just tugged at it so hard that it flipped sideways.

Joe Rogan 51:09 And it never stopped spinning.

Billy Carson 51:09 Never stopped. And has moved through our solar system, way out beyond the orbit of Pluto, and this thing captured its own orbit. This is in the Enuma Elish in The Seven Tablets of Creation. This exact process that's been described now by astrophysicists and astronomers is in ancient text that we can read and we can see, oh my God, this is exactly what this text is saying. It's talking about the creation of our solar system. It even talks about the creation of Earth in that text. So it says that when, uh, Marduk, AKA Nibiru, a moon of Nib- Nibiru, crashed into Tiamat, it broke into pieces and became the Hammered Bracelet. That's the asteroid belt. One giant chunk swung away, re-coalesced with the, with everything, water, land, and organic material needed for life, and became the Earth, tugging with it the moon. So, it's pretty crazy that the creation of this planet itself ... And it says that it pushed, the net force pushed Mercury closer to the sun and pushed Venus closer to the sun, and then we took the third spot in place a- around our orbit around our sun. And then, uh, of course, we have Mars, which used to be a moon, a habitable moon, of Tiamat, a planet that was four to six times larger than Earth. And it slung into this crazy orbit. That's why Mars has this weird orbit. And you have to, you have to, uh, rendezvous with it, if you're NASA or anybody trying to rendezvous with Mars, every two years when it's an apogee or perigee. You have to, w- apogee or perigee, one of them is further away than the other. One is 80 million miles and the other one's closer. So, if you run into it, rendezvous every two years, you can capture the orbit of Mars and you can actually get there in four months. And then they looked at it and said, "Wow." They meaning astrophysicists. "This looks like this Mars wasn't originally in this type of orbit. It must've been orbiting something else in our solar system," which it was. One side is charred black and the other side is smooth. So the side where Tiamat exploded, those chunks hit Mars on one side, created a very charred side, and the other side is the smoothest surface in the, uh, solar system, which is because of the global flood that that created. And then Mars' axis on its equator is tilted 45 degrees on its axis, which means the, the mass shifted it down 45 degrees. They had a major global catastrophe there on that, on Mars. Uh, and then after Mars you have another little planet that survived called Ceres, C-E-R-E-S, which is also a result of this Tiamat exploding. People don't even talk about Ceres. It has the most fresh water out of any other planet in our solar system. More, more fresh water-

Joe Rogan 53:28 And where is, where's this location?

Billy Carson 53:30 That's the next planet after Mars. Ceres.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Really?

Billy Carson 53:33 C-E-R-E-S.

Joe Rogan 53:34 How big is it? Is it like Pluto sized?

Billy Carson 53:36 It's, uh, it's about maybe two-thirds smaller than Mars. And guess what?

Joe Rogan 53:40 It's a dwarf planet. So they don't ... It's, it follows an orbit between-

Billy Carson 53:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 ... Mars and Jupiter-

Billy Carson 53:45 That's right.

Joe Rogan 53:45 ... near the middle of the asteroid belt, with an orbital period. Click on that, Jamie?

Billy Carson 53:49 When they flew by it about-

Joe Rogan 53:51 You heard about this before?

Billy Carson 53:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:53 I didn't know there was another planet out there.

Billy Carson 53:54 Listen, when they flew by it a few years ago, the lights were on. They sent a probe out there.

Joe Rogan 53:59 What? The lights were on?

Billy Carson 54:00 The lights were on. And so they saw it, tried to say it was ice particles glistening in the sunlight. So when they got to the dark side, guess what? The lights were on on the dark side. So, they couldn't use the ice particle explanation anymore, so they just said, "We don't know what it is."

Joe Rogan 54:12 What?... Ceres' small size means that even at its brightest, it's too dim to be seen by the naked eye except under extremely dark skies. Its apparent magnitude ranges for, from 6.7 to 9.3, peaking in opposition when it's closest to Earth. Once every 15 to 16 month in the ... How do you say that word? Synodic? Synodic?

Billy Carson 54:32 I don't know where you're at now.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Uh, 16th month synodic period. Do you know how to say that?

Billy Carson 54:36 Oh, yeah. Synodic, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:37 Synodic period.

Billy Carson 54:38 Sy-

Joe Rogan 54:38 As a result-

Billy Carson 54:38 Synodic.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Sy- synodic. As a result, its surface features are barely visible even with the most powerful telescopes and little was known about it until the robotic NASA spacecraft Dawn approached Ceres for its orbital mission in 2015.

Billy Carson 54:51 Mm-hmm. And we have high-resolution images of the surface. There are strange things there as well, which is pretty crazy, so.

Joe Rogan 54:58 What are the, uh, r- images of the surface?

Billy Carson 55:01 Uh, you have to go to nasa.gov and go to the, uh, Dawn images and you can download or, or there's ... Sometime, the European Space Agency has them as well, uh, ES. And then you can, uh, grab those images. It's pretty crazy. Some things just don't look right there. But there's a lot-

Joe Rogan 55:15 Like what- what doesn't look right?

Billy Carson 55:16 Well, you know, if you look at Mohenjo-daro or areas of Egypt that's, you know ... Or, or even, uh, you know, Iraq where it used to be Sumeria, structures that used to be there that are now worn down and weathered, they have similar looks there. Similar things that ... They look similar there. Not that it's not ... Not saying that they are, I'm just saying that they look strange. Some things look strange.

Joe Rogan 55:35 We have a lot of strange things on Earth that aren't natural.

Billy Carson 55:38 Yeah. That's true. We d- we sure do.

Joe Rogan 55:39 It's-

Billy Carson 55:39 We even have octagons and straight lines on Earth that aren't natural as well.

Joe Rogan 55:43 That, that was one-

Billy Carson 55:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:43 ... of the craziest ones that Terrence brought up was the octagon on Saturn.

Billy Carson 55:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:48 Was it Saturn?

Narrator 55:49 Yeah.

Billy Carson 55:50 It's Saturn.

Joe Rogan 55:50 Yeah. Saturn.

Billy Carson 55:50 Saturn.

Joe Rogan 55:51 That when you look at the opt- octagon on Saturn that it, it, it's mimicked in the model that they've created-

Billy Carson 55:56 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:56 ... by using ... Uh, the whole idea that he really blew my mind with was the Goldilocks zone idea.

Billy Carson 56:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:04 That planets reach a certain distance from the sun and that's when life starts happening-

Billy Carson 56:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:09 ... and this is a normal force that happens everywhere in the universe.

Billy Carson 56:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:12 And then as time goes on, that planet's gonna get further and further from the sun-

Billy Carson 56:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 56:15 ... and then it's gonna lose its ability to do that, and then a new planet will move in the Goldilocks zone.

Billy Carson 56:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:19 And that is also going to become-

Billy Carson 56:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:22 ... like us.

Billy Carson 56:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:22 And then so if you are following this idea, if this i- idea makes sense, it means that this is just this sort of natural process that these intelligent creatures go through. And even though we're looking at, like, AI and we're looking at technologies, like, "Oh my God, we can't even be people anymore."

Billy Carson 56:37 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 56:37 Well, guess what? We can't be people anymore.

Billy Carson 56:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Because we're not gonna make it-

Billy Carson 56:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:41 ... if we don't. Like, it ...

Billy Carson 56:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:42 There's t- there's a timeline. It seems like you're only gonna live 100 years, so it's no big deal. But humans, if we keep going-

Billy Carson 56:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:49 ... like a few million years, we're gonna have a real problem.

Billy Carson 56:52 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:52 A billion years from now, we're not gonna be around anymore.

Billy Carson 56:54 No.

Joe Rogan 56:55 And then there's gonna come a time where the sun doesn't exist anymore.

Billy Carson 56:57 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 56:57 So if you get so intelligent that you can escape the boundaries of the physical world-

Billy Carson 57:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:03 ... and you can move throughout the cosmos wherever you want-

Billy Carson 57:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 ... then you've escaped.

Billy Carson 57:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:08 You've escaped this fear, but that's almost like there's an intelligent test.

Billy Carson 57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 An intelligence test that life goes through.

Billy Carson 57:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Like, we're gonna give you all the tools just like you're in the womb, you're in the womb of Mother Earth. We're gonna give you all the tools, but you gotta get out of the house.

Billy Carson 57:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:23 At a certain point in time, you gotta get-

Billy Carson 57:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:25 ... out of the house. You're 24? You're still living at home?

Narrator 57:26 Yeah (laughs) .

Billy Carson 57:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:27 Get the fuck out of the house.

Billy Carson 57:29 They're waiting for us to grow up.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yeah.

Billy Carson 57:31 That's what they ... You know, a hum- human, human beings are like babies right now as a civilization trying to learn how to walk. And right now, we're barely crawling, and then we plop down on our stomach and everybody screams and cries. But we're getting to the point eventually where we'll go-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah.

Billy Carson 57:44 ... to the edge of a table and pull ourselves up. And then we'll take a couple of steps, and then we'll fall again. Everybody will think it's all over. "Oh my God, we were doing so good," and then collapse again. But no, that's just the fall. The baby will pull itself back up, it'll cry less, and it'll take more steps until it falls again until it can get this controlled fall, and that's the definition of walking, controlling your fall. So we're in that process now. Like you said, this is a proving ground for us to be able to develop consciously, spiritually, ascend to higher levels. Uh, and eventually, I believe ... I'm pretty optimistic for mankind that we will get through, uh, this period.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Well, that's a beautiful thing to hear. I love when people are optimistic 'cause I'm always like, "I don't know which one we will."

Billy Carson 58:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:20 I, I, I tend to be optimistic.

Billy Carson 58:22 But, you know, it proves what these ancient beings were doing. They were creating breakaway civilizations throughout the entire Milky Way galaxy because of what you just said.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Mm-hmm.

Billy Carson 58:29 The fact that, uh, you know, planets won't be habitable forever. Even Earth. Let's say Earth never moved and stayed right where it's at in the Goldilocks zone. We're gonna lose our control over the weather because the, uh, the Moon is moving away at a few centimeters every single year. And as the Moon backs off of Earth, our weather patterns are gonna get more hectic and chaotic, and the wobble's gonna be uncontrollable to the point where life won't be able to exist. Not our kind of life, won't be able to exist on this planet. So just losing the Moon alone in a few million years is gonna destroy us, so we have to create breakaway civilizations. We have to get out of here, which is what a- all these other advanced civilizations in the a- in these ancient texts have done.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Well, it only makes sense if ... If Terrence is correct about this idea of the Goldilocks zone, it only makes sense. And if there are other planets somewhere in another galaxy or ours that have the same exact sort of features-

Billy Carson 59:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:20 ... water, the same temperature-

Billy Carson 59:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:22 ... the same m- mixture of amino acids and whatever the hell else is here that makes life-

Billy Carson 59:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:27 ... and then it happens there too, it just makes sense that some places are gonna be more stable-

Billy Carson 59:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:32 ... so they're gonna have less natural disasters-

Billy Carson 59:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:34 ... so, like, people will evolve faster and longer. They'll, they'll-

Billy Carson 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 ... exist longer. But then, you know, there's the argument that the natural disasters are actually good because the natural disasters knock us back down-

Billy Carson 59:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:45 ... if we're about to destroy everything-

Billy Carson 59:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:47 ... knock us back down to some much more primitive version of ourselves, and then we have to rebuild society again-

Billy Carson 59:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:53 ... over thousands of years, which-

Billy Carson 59:54 That's it. That's exactly ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:54 ... to the universe is the blink of an eye.

Billy Carson 59:56 That's the blink of an eye. You're right. That's exactly what happened in the Emerald Tablets. You know, 30, 36,000 years ago, Thoth is, uh, he arrives, uh, in this place called the land of Khem, ancient Kemet, before it was known as Egypt. His father sent him on a mis- mission to rebuild civilization back up to a higher level, meaning that it already-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Hmm.

Billy Carson 1:00:13 ... was at a higher level prior to this flood situation. And he says he gets into the great ship of the master and he takes off into the sky until the Earth disappears, and then he goes to the pla- appointed and he sees beneath him-... the children of the land of Chem. And he descends down, he doesn't sail in, he descends down, and when his ship lands, he opens his doors and he comes out with his crew, and he says the barbarians came at him to attack him with clubbers and spears. He says-

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 (gasps)

Billy Carson 1:00:38 ... "I raised my staff and sent out a ray of vibrations, stopping them still as fragments of stone of the mountain." So, he had a stun gun. He had a- a- a weapon that there was, uh, you know, not ruth- not- not lethal, non-lethal weapon that can freeze you in your tracks. And we have something just like that now in the military called the active denial system. They can send a beam at a crowd coming to attack and make them stop still, right in their tracks. They can make you feel like you're on fire, make you feel like you wanna vomit. They can even put voices in your head. They can make you be in extreme, extreme pain. It's called the active denial system. So, he's talking about technology back then that we have right now.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Could you goo- look at- look up that? 'Cause, is that, do you think that's what that Havana Syndrome thing is?

Billy Carson 1:01:18 It's possible, man. This thing, if this, if you put it above, like in- in the sky and aim it at a area and the beam spreads a little bit, you can create mass illness, mass sickness, mass, uh, mass hysteria. You can have everyone running around thinking that they've got somebody talking to them and telling, commanding them to do certain things.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Mm.

Billy Carson 1:01:35 It's- it- this- it's out of control. This weapon can be fully weaponized in a lethal way, in a way that can make people become psychotic. You can make somebody think they're burning and on fire.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Whoa. Active denial system demo. Can we listen to what this guy's saying?

Narrator 1:01:55 It can detour individuals on a military perimeter all the way up to a riotous crowd. All without permanent harm.

1:02:05 It only penetrates, uh, one-sixth to a fourth of an inch of your skin. Goes very shallow, uh, into where your nerve receptors are.

Billy Carson 1:02:13 I can't take the pain.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 Whoa.

Narrator 1:02:14 Uh, and there's no, uh, no permanent injury caused by it. Uh, there is-

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 So, what does it do to them?

Billy Carson 1:02:19 It's in a frequency, a beam of frequency, just like Thoth says in The Emerald Tablets. I writ- I put this in my book-

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 This is-

Billy Carson 1:02:24 ... because it's important.

Narrator 1:02:24 They even let any of the guests volunteer to test out its effectiveness and safety. (screaming) Including the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps-

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Wow, he said fuck it.

Narrator 1:02:34 ... Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps-

Billy Carson 1:02:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 He said fuck it.

Narrator 1:02:35 ... and Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

1:02:37 Woo!

1:02:38 Most described it as feeling like a hot oven or grill being opened up.

1:02:43 It is something that, once again-

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Wow!

Billy Carson 1:02:47 Yeah. So, that's what he used on them, thousands of years ago.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Holy shit.

Narrator 1:02:51 That video's from 2012.

Billy Carson 1:02:51 Or something like.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Something like it. 2012?

Billy Carson 1:02:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Oh, now they turn you into a statue.

Billy Carson 1:02:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Actually a statue.

Billy Carson 1:02:56 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 No-

Billy Carson 1:02:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Now it's over- in Medusa.

Billy Carson 1:02:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Medusa?

Billy Carson 1:03:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Holy shit.

Billy Carson 1:03:01 Same tech- techn- probably fre- frequency technology.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 What do you think Medusa was? I- I- imagine that. Imagine that story.

Billy Carson 1:03:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 We- we always thought that was just some crazy story.

Billy Carson 1:03:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 But imagine there's a technology back then that can actually turn you into stone.

Billy Carson 1:03:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Now that we know that people can do things like that, and that we would imagine a thousand years of evolution, 10,000, 500,000, whatever these people are-

Billy Carson 1:03:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 ... whatever these things are that are, uh, that have the ability, it's kinda disappointing that they're still waging war, though, I gotta tell you that.

Billy Carson 1:03:26 Yeah, it's crazy. It's, uh, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 That's a bummer.

Billy Carson 1:03:28 ... it's a real archaic mindset. You know, we have to find a way to rise above. This is why we need to understand exactly what happened, and how do we overcome what's been embedded into our epigenetic memories?

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Oh.

Billy Carson 1:03:38 Because we're suffering from epigenetic mental hysteria, which is psychosis in this war psychosis. We've been programmed as human beings to, uh, to have consumption and fighting and competition over collaboration.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:03:52 Everything is designed to keep us separate. Divide and conquer is the main mission, and it worked so well for so many thousands of years. And this divide and conquer tactic that's been burnt into our DNA and our code has put us in a situation where we are not advancing as we should be. We're getting now this technology leaked out to us. And yes, that's advancing pretty fast, but consciously and spiritually, it's- it's holding us back. 'Cause everyone's putting themselves in boxes and saying, "I'm a part of this thing and I'm a part of that thing."

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:04:17 And then we don't work together.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 No, that's- that's such an important point, and it needs to be drilled into people's heads.

Billy Carson 1:04:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 We're distracting ourselves by getting involved in these stupid arguments over stupid things.

Billy Carson 1:04:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 When there's really important issues with the world.

Billy Carson 1:04:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 And those aren't being addressed. And the- the- one of the big ones is, how do you stop people from killing each other?

Billy Carson 1:04:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 How do you stop war? How- how- how do we stop this insane practice of having groups of people go up against groups of people they've never even met-

Billy Carson 1:04:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 ... and killing them? Like-

Billy Carson 1:04:42 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 ... and then we're all okay with this? We talk about how this is normal and this has to be done and these-

Billy Carson 1:04:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 ... war is ugly and it's unfortunate-

Billy Carson 1:04:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 ... but we have to do it?

Billy Carson 1:04:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Like, okay. Are you fucking sure? Who's-

Billy Carson 1:04:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 ... who's pulling the strings here?

Billy Carson 1:04:54 People with $10,000 suits that don't get on the front line.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:04:57 They send poor kids and- and young kids, young men and women to die.

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:05:00 Uh, and, you know, they say-

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Exactly, and-

Billy Carson 1:05:02 ... and it's all about money.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 It's all about money. And, you know, Smedley Butler wrote about it in 1933.

Billy Carson 1:05:08 War is a racket.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:05:09 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 And you read that, read that from 1933, folks.

Billy Carson 1:05:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 And this was a- a general who... Was he a general?

Billy Carson 1:05:16 He was general.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 He was a general. That's right? Yeah.

Billy Carson 1:05:17 General.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Who was retiring and he wrote this piece about how he thought-

Billy Carson 1:05:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 ... he was prever- preserving democracy, he was really just making the place safe for bankers, and-

Billy Carson 1:05:26 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 ... it's just, uh, it's an ugly business that Eisenhower tried to warn us about in his leaving from office speech.

Billy Carson 1:05:33 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 When he s- stepped down, or when he was, uh, no longer the president, he left office and gave a speech about warning about the military industrial complex-

Billy Carson 1:05:42 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 ... and its influence.

Billy Carson 1:05:43 He sure did.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 And, uh, I don't think they knew back then that people would be able to have YouTube and just watch that.

Billy Carson 1:05:48 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 And if- if that's how they did it back then, imagine how good they are at it now.

Billy Carson 1:05:53 Oh, man. They're masters at neuroscience. Applying neuroscience to the general population, they're, they are masters at it. Uh, and, uh, they know how to get into the psyche of a human being, and they know how to turn them against, turn us against each other while they themselves chop it all up. Like I always say, there is no Democrat or Republican. Doesn't exist. The only thing that exists is a group of elite oligarchs that torture men, women, and children worldwide. That exists. They capitalize and monetize us and they put their boot on our