Joe Rogan Experience #2161 - Tony Hinchcliffe

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0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's it like to be king of the world, Tony Hinchcliffe?

Joe Rogan 0:15 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:17 (laughs) I got to talk some shit.

Joe Rogan 0:19 You're killing it, man. It's exciting. It's an exciting time for you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 I hope you're enjoying it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:26 (laughs) Oh, I'm having a blast.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Is it weird? Does it feel weird?

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:29 (inhales deeply) Kind of, 'cause I wasn't expecting, like, a big, uh, a big m- moment, or, like, a different boom, a different outside thing, 'cause I'm just content right here.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:39 Chillin'. I had my Kill Tony stuff, and all of our stuff, and... But yeah, it's awesome.

Joe Rogan 0:46 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:48 It's so interesting to watch. It was funny that Brian Simpson said that he was with you at the store, and he said he wa- he goes, "I watched Tony Hinchcliffe become real famous in real time."

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:57 Like, you could see, like, with the first show, when you're warming up, getting ready for the roast, then after the roast-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03 ... people just going crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04 Yeah. It was weird. I got bumped by another comedian my first night at the store, and then I was the special guest super treat the rest of the week. Like, it was like I was the secret weapon, kind of. So I was unbumpable.

Joe Rogan 1:19 (laughs) Well, you should be bumped anyway.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Bumping is horse shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23 Bumping is a thing that it- it's b- it was around the store back in the old days, and they shoulda got rid of it a long time ago. You know, it's one thing if, like, some superstar, Dave Chappelle type, Chris Rock character wants to pop in, Louis CK's in town-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:36 ... and they wanna do 15 minutes, you know? That's all great. But what, what used to happen at the store is, you would get these comedians that were just doing it for an ego flex.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:47 They were just doing it because they wanted to be able to bump other folks on the roster, and then they would do, like, a fucking 45-minute set and ruin the timeline of the show. Everybody's supposed to do 15 minutes. There's, like, fucking 16 people on the show. It's a long-ass show. What, how many people are on? Like, uh...

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:02 16.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Is it 16?

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:03 I don't know if it still is. It might be 14, or 12, or something. Like, it fucking pandemic.

Joe Rogan 2:07 It's a lot of fucking people, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Yeah. It's crazy that some people will sit there from show open. They will sit there from 8:00 PM, and they will be there 'til 2:00 AM.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16 I've seen it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:17 Oh, yeah. I've seen it many a times.

Joe Rogan 2:18 S- some people are just, like, especially those, uh, tourists, comedy tourists-

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:23 ... that come there from Australia, and Ireland, and shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:27 Yeah, they don't wanna miss any-

Joe Rogan 2:28 We're getting a lot of those at the Mothership, man. There's a lot of people from other countries. They're telling me they're flying in for this.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:33 All the time.

Joe Rogan 2:34 It's wild. They come in, they do, like, a weekend. Then, they go do ti- Kill Tony, and then they'll do, like, one of our shows.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:41 It's fucking crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:42 Yeah, I always ask now during the, uh, commercial break, where I get to talk directly to the Kill Tony audience, and I ask, "How many of you live in Austin, Texas make some noise? How many of you flew in just for this?" And it's always a bigger pop.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Isn't that wild?

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 It's like the city's become, like, a vacation destination for standup.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:58 Mm-hmm. For the arts, I think. I think you can come here and listen to live music, the best, and live comedy, and-

Joe Rogan 3:06 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:06 ... get to see a lot of fucking freaks.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Yeah, it's just fucking... What a time we're in, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Boy, did we get lucky. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:14 I mean, we just keep getting lucky, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:16 Having Shane here is the- is a, is a death blow-

Joe Rogan 3:19 Oh, yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:19 ... to the other cities. Took him out on his first boat trip on, um, Sunday, and we drank. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:27 Of course. If you're with Shane, you're drinking.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:30 Did you drink Bud Lights, or did you drink real alcohol?

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:32 I drank whiskey Cokes, he drank Bud Lights.

Joe Rogan 3:34 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:35 We always, we always fucking meet.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Yeah, that dude can put them away.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:40 We-

Joe Rogan 3:41 Do not fuck around with Shane Gillis.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:43 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Do not try to drink with Shane Gillis.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:44 We had so much fun.

Joe Rogan 3:46 He's the best.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:46 Cracking up, man, listening to Drake on the river.

Joe Rogan 3:51 That's awesome. He's the best.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 It's so nice having him here, and it's so nice having Joey here all the time now. Joey's coming again in a week.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:58 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Yeah. I was just with him in New Jersey.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:01 (laughs) But he was, he was so hilarious. He was so hilarious at the fights. He was out of his mind.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:07 That's what I was telling Louis, is like, even the few people that we, you know, really want that haven't moved here are coming here all the time, like it's a Vegas residency, or something like that.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah, Theo-

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:18 Like, it's-

Joe Rogan 4:18 ... was there too at the fights, and he's coming in July.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:21 So we'll, we'll do more stuff with him, too. Yeah, it's just, we're- we're lucky shit, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:25 I mean, it... I say it all the time, but it's almost like the universe wanted this to happen this way. It just seems like every light just turned green right when we got up to it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:34 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 4:35 It's like, it didn't make sense. Like, this isn't gonna work. Green light. This isn't gonna work. Green light. This... Hey, this might work. Green light.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Oh shit, it's happening. Green light.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:43 It's wild.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:44 Yeah, and it's a special fucking place, man.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:47 I love this city with all my heart. I, you know, I never thought I would leave LA. And then, when the shit hit the fan, and riots, and the governments, and you realize taxes are absolutely insane for what we were getting, and I feel more at home here than I ever did there. And I was there for almost 20 years.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:07 But when the plane's landing, and you look out the right side, and you see downtown Austin instead of downtown LA, it feels more like, oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 It's a better place for comedy, too, in terms of, like, you- you don't have the traffic. It's not a grind. It's the middle of the country, so if you wanna travel to other cities, it's easy to get to. The c- club situation is amazing. There's so many clubs. There's Cap City. There's Creak in the Cave. There's the Vulcan.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:36 There's the Sunset Strip. There's the Mothership. There's, what else? The...

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:41 The Black Rabbit.

Joe Rogan 5:41 Black Rabbit, um, La Vida Room.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:44 They're everywhere. Shakespeare's.

Joe Rogan 5:46 It's crazy. It's crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:48 It's a amazing situation.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:50 It's like, you know? And you realize, like, you don't have to- you don't have to live like that. You don't have to be st- stuck in this crazy city of insane traffic and crime.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:00 Right.I can see five comedy clubs from my windows and, where I live, and I don't even think anybody in New York has that. I don't think you can look down and see five comedy clubs from where you're at-

Joe Rogan 6:11 No.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:11 ... at any given point.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Look, New York has more clubs and more people, and New York's awesome. It's not a contest.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:18 You know, it's not a contest. It, it's like that whole, like, "New York is the best." Uh, I don't know. If you like it, it's the best. Like, it's d-... Whatever's the great... Whatever's great for you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:28 But this is a crazy place right now. And, you know, LA used to be crazy. And now LA's just a, a fucking steaming pile. It's f-... on fire. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:39 It's just fucked. Speaking of fire, do you see the sky? You know what that is?

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:42 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 6:43 Uh, in Mexico... Oh, we need to Google this too, because, uh, Mexico has a new president and I heard that 30-plus presidential candidates were assassinated.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:56 That might be just a TikTok meme. So I have to find out, so let's find out in real time. But the sky, the reason why the sky is so cloudy-looking?

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:04 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 7:04 That's smoke from wildfires in Mexico.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:07 Oh, wow. Y-

Joe Rogan 7:08 Yeah, they did a controlled burn and they go, "Whoops."

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:10 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 7:11 A whoopsies. (laughs) Whoops. (laughs) Listen to this, 37... Excuse me. Claudia Sheinbaum, uh, was elected the country's first female president after a bloody election campaign that saw 37 candidates assassinated, and that's our neighbor.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:29 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 7:30 We live next to a fucking crack house. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:34 (laughs) That's on fire.

Joe Rogan 7:35 Yeah, a crack house on fire run by a Jew.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:40 (laughs) The, uh, first l-... A lady. First lady. Uh, more than three dozen candidates were assassinated, including a local government candidate in the central Puebla state who was killed on Friday, increasing the total number of those killed to 37. Who the fuck would want to run for office in Mexico?

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:56 Dude.

Joe Rogan 7:57 That is so crazy. That is so crazy. And look how few people. Look, 20,000 positions to fill and 70,000 candidates. If you have 20,000 positions in America, how many candidates do you have? Probably a lot more, 'cause nobody's getting assassinated.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:11 That would be one way to start thinning the herd.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:15 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:15 Taking them out.

Joe Rogan 8:16 (laughs) I mean, how far away... I mean, it sounds crazy, right? This is Mexico, it's not America, we don't... How far away are we from, uh, like, seeing another JFK-type situation?

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:28 Man, I mean, Jesus. Fuck. Could be close. Seems like there's a candidate that the government really doesn't want in-

Joe Rogan 8:37 Yeah, there's this one guy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:38 What's his name?

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:39 (laughs) One guy who went to the UFC this weekend and got like a 30-second standing ovation.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Almost as big as Dave in Ohio, but not quite.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Not quite. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:51 They're changing the tone on this. I mean, like-

Joe Rogan 8:53 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:53 ... you know? They're doing it. They want to try to make him look like a bad guy, but people just aren't stupid anymore. I mean, there's obviously still, like, half the country who doesn't get it, but...

Joe Rogan 9:03 Yo, so many, so many rappers. So many rappers are showing support for Trump now, it's crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:09 'Cause now he's got a felony.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:12 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:13 I mean, like, and now they realize also, he's getting trapped by the system, just like everybody's been rapping about.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Being trapped by the system, this bullshit system, and you, you watch it happen with him.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:23 Exactly. Yeah, I was just talking about this. It's like they... I don't think they were counting on the Black vote being like, "Hey, they just fucked that guy. That's what they do to us."

Joe Rogan 9:32 Yeah, this is what they, they do to everybody and they pretend they're there for you while they're letting in immigrants. (sighs) And you know what, man? Here's the problem. Here's the real problem. Republicans won't be the solution either, kids. The, the problem is, people in a position of power. The Republicans seem like they are your solution, but it's just because the people in power right now are the Democrats. Whenever the Democrats are out and the Republicans are in, everybody is dying for a Democrat. I remember when Bush was president. After the second term, everybody was like, "Good lord, can we get a fucking reasonable Democrat in here before this country goes Christian nationalist and fucking... and goes crazy and starts every war?"

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:14 And then Obama comes in. We're like, "Oh, things are gonna be great," but it kinda seems like kinda the same, you know? And the whistleblower protection that he promised? Eh. Actually, probably like one of the worst on whistleblower, -blowers ever. Drone strikes? Eh, kind of a shitload of drone strikes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:30 The whole thing was bonkers. It's just the same structure with a different face. It's Bill Hicks' joke. Bill Hicks' joke about, uh, "I think the puppet on the left is to my liking. Well, I'm more in line with the puppet on the right. Hey, there's one guy and he's holding both puppets." (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:49 That's, that's what we're dealing with. We're dealing with money.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:52 We're dealing with money and power. And it, it does... You know, if you think that... That's where a person like a Trump character does make a difference though, 'cause he truly does not give a fuck. And especially now, after all they've done to him and just all the things he's survived.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:07 You gotta think, this guy was beloved, beloved, until he was about 70 years old.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:13 And that's when he starts running for president. Actually, he was a little bit mocked before that while Obama was in office because he was one of those people that was, uh, a birther.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:23 You know? He was a... I'm one of those people that I don't give a fuck where you were born as long as you're not actually a s-... uh, undercover terrorist, you know?

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:32 If you're like, clearly like a regular person that just happened to be born in Nigeria or happened to be born in Saudi Arabia, but now you're here. You went to school here, you got friends here, you got family here, you love it here. America's the shit. You can be president. Like, I don't really think that you have to be born on a certain patch of dirt to run it. That seems like viking shit. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:53 It seems like-

Joe Rogan 11:54 That seems so old.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:56 That seems so dumb.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:58 What about the 35 thing? Was that the age?

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yeah, that's a good age. Up until I was...... 50, I was retarded. So... (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:07 So I don't think, I don't think, I don't think that's a bad thing. I think 35 is good just for humans. I think you need, you need a certain amount of life experience. You need a certain amount of, uh, trials and tribulations, character testers, a lot of education, a certain amount of, like, changing your perspective on the world, 'cause we all do that. And so, like, as a young man, I was very liberal, super, super liberal, you know? I mean, I just... Anything the Democrats believed, I believed, never interested in anything the Republicans had to say. All they wanted to do was, like, shove God down your throat and stop abortions, so-

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:45 Totally.

Joe Rogan 12:45 ... that's what I would say.

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:46 No, I was so with... I mean, 100% with you on that. Super-

Joe Rogan 12:49 Well, and that's brainwashing too, right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:50 Yeah. I was super liberal until I got my first paycheck in the state of California.

Joe Rogan 12:56 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:56 (laughs) And then everything started changing.

Joe Rogan 12:57 Yeah. When people get rich, they get Republican real quick.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah. But not, there's a lot of really rich people that are Democrats, which is interesting, 'cause they got so much money they could vote Democrat. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:08 They got so much money, they don't even try to protect it. California is considering a 30 cents per gallon tax on the miles, or 30 cents per mile, because so many people have electric cars, so the gas tax is losing money.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:23 And-

Joe Rogan 13:24 And they want everybody to have electric car by '30, '35 or 2030. '30, '35 would actually be realistic. 2020... 2035 is crazy. There's, like, not enough. There's not-

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:34 We don't have enough stuff.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:35 We can't build all those cars. Like, what are you gonna do with all the cars that are gas? You know how many cars there are? There's more cars than there are people. There's more cars here than there are people.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:43 Oh, that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Oh, yeah. A lot more. Well, first of all, there's people like me that have a bunch of them.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:49 And they, they throw it off. You know that's... That throws off the divorce thing too. You know, people say, you know, "60% of all marriage is in a divorce." Right. But a lot of those are people that just get divorced a gang of times. They go all Jennifer Lopez on the deal.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:04 And just like, "I'm in forever. Fuck you."

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:07 "You new person, I am in forever. Fuck you." And then-

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:11 She might have another one on her hands.

Joe Rogan 14:12 Yeah, it looks like she's going down again.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:14 Yeah. Ben, something was up with him at that roast.

Joe Rogan 14:16 Oh, he bombed.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:17 Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 14:18 You can't bomb if you're married to Jennifer Lopez.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:20 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 14:20 You can't strike out, you can't bomb, you can't fall when you're walking up a flight of stairs, or no pussy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:27 This is just how it works.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:28 You want the Viking queen alpha female?

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:31 I- if you want... (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:32 That's what you get, man. She's still that way, and she's, like, what? 51?

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:38 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:38 She's crazy hot.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Crazy hot at 51.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:41 Yeah. Ben was a d-

Joe Rogan 14:43 He hung in there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:44 ... deer in headlights.

Joe Rogan 14:45 He hung in there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:45 He tried his best. But, yeah, he stood out on that roast.

Joe Rogan 14:51 Maybe it'll be over. I mean, uh, maybe there'll, there'll be turbulence, so maybe they'll get through it this time. Maybe they don't wanna do it again 'cause they, they were, they were together 20 years ago. You just gotta figure out, like, how to be who you are when you really like each other. Like, remember in the beginning? Isn't that fun? You appreciated each other? Figure out how to recapture that, 'cause that's still the same person. Just people get sick of each other. You ever get sick of a guy you work with and you quit the job and you're like, "I fucking miss that dude." You know, they, they become part of your little community.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:19 Yeah. That's why I k- I keep working with Red Band.

Joe Rogan 15:23 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:24 I love that dude. He's a character. There's only one of those dudes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:28 You see his new tattoo?

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:30 Yeah, he showed everybody. By the end of the night, I was going around going, "Hey, uh, did you see Red Band's new tattoo? Did you see Red..." 'Cause he was sh- just showing everyone wasted last night.

Joe Rogan 15:39 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:39 We had another banger of an episode. It's a miracle that I'm awake right now.

Joe Rogan 15:42 Who was the guest?

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:43 It was Luis J. Gomez and Sal Vulcano.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Oh, nice. Sal was on the podcast last week.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:47 He's-

Joe Rogan 15:48 He's great.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:48 It was great.

Joe Rogan 15:49 He's a good dude, man. He's fun.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Real... Fucking super nice guy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:53 Yep. The bucket was the story, though. We got some great new comedians out. A new golden Ticket winner, as of last night.

Joe Rogan 15:59 I have to see Luis do standup. I haven't seen him in a while. I heard he's killing it. I heard he's doing really well. Duncan saw him at the Creek and he said, "Dude, he was so funny. He was really laughing hard." He goes, "I was really impressed." I'm like-

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:11 He had to do-

Joe Rogan 16:11 ... "That's great."

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:12 There was, uh... I can't remember who was headlining this weekend, but he was doing a clean set 'cause he's doing a special-

Joe Rogan 16:20 It was Myq, Myq Vecchione.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:21 That's right. And he's doing a clean hour 'cause, uh... I don't know why.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Why? Is Myq doing a clean hour?

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:27 Yeah. But... So he asked Luis to be clean, and I... And me and Matt were in the green room and we're like, "Wait, Luis is up, and he's supposed to be clean. Let's see what he's doing."

Joe Rogan 16:38 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:38 The first thing we hear is, like, "Nice balls, you shithead."

Joe Rogan 16:41 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:41 Or something like that. We're... We were dying.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Myq is not gonna be clean.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:47 First of all, you shouldn't ask a guy to be clean.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 You can't ask a guy to of- especially a guy who literally is on a show called Legion of Skanks.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:55 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 He has a sh- uh, a festival every year called Skank Fest.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Skank Fest.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:02 You can't ask him to be clean.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:03 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Also, Vecchione is so fucking funny, it doesn't matter what go... The bombs could go off-

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:09 ... before his set and he'll go up there and kill.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:11 He's not gonna affect... People will fall into your rhythm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:14 You know, they're, they're grownups. But we used to think back in the day that, uh, clean people couldn't follow dirty people. That was always the thought. I think that's a dumb thought. Like, Jim Gaffigan can follow anybody.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:28 It does not matter. He gets into his rhythm, and then he does his thing, and he puts you in his mind, and then you're, you're off to the races.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Like Brian Regan, same deal. That whole thing about, like, clean or dirty, like, who fucking cares? Sebastian, another great example. Who cares?

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Just be funny.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:44 He's just funny.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:46 Just... If, if, if Sebastian started talking about getting his dick sucked, it would be funny too. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:53 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:53 It's just funny.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:54 That would be funny, Dirty Sebastian Special.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah. If one, if, like, Apocalypse breaks out-

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:00 ... and this is a few st- and Sebastian starts doing 'roids now.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:04 He's got a, he's got a gun, carries a gun on his hip. If we go, like, full Mad Max.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 ... that's happening in Mexico, kids. 37 candidates assassinated. That is basically the doorway to Mad Max.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:19 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:20 37 candidates assassinated.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:24 And-

Joe Rogan 18:24 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:26 ... all they get-

Joe Rogan 18:26 Imagine if that was happening in America?

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:28 Well, what's scary is, like, what are, what does that lady... That, the question becomes, what's the winner gonna do that the other 37 weren't going to do?

Joe Rogan 18:40 Well, I'll tell you what you're not going to do. You're not going to be a rebel. Rebels don't live.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:45 You know, that country's run by money, just like this country's run by money, but instead of the military-industrial complex, it's the supplying Americans with drugs.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:55 That's what it is.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:57 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 18:57 That complex.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:58 It's not... The military-industrial complex and the pharmaceutical drug companies, they run this, it's just money. It's the same thing. And in Mexico, they make their own laws because everything's illegal, and so they are running things with selling us drugs. And until we make drugs legal, which nobody wants to do, that's going to continue to happen because you're not gonna stop people from wanting to do drugs, and you're not going to stop people from selling them drugs. It's, you're not going to, especially if they're, they're from another country, especially if they're running that country. And they've been doing it so long, they've amassed so much resources and money. They have tanks. They have anti-aircraft weaponry. They have everything, man. They have fucking hundreds of billions of dollars. Like, who knows how much money they have?

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:46 If you added up all the cartels in Mexico... (sighs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:49 Well, I bet the Jewish president knows exactly how much money they have. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:53 I bet she knows! I bet she knows. I bet she knows. I bet they know where she sleeps, and I bet, I bet she follows the rules.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:01 I gue- I guess you have to. Like, if you wanna be president of Mexico, that is a totally different proposition. They Kennedy 37 people a year. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:10 Oh my God. Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 20:12 It's so crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:14 Unbelievable how close we are to them.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Yeah, you could walk there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:18 You could walk there. Like, Cam Hanes has run, like, longer distances in races, especially if you're down in South Texas. My friend, uh, who lives in South Texas had a, a guy die on his property.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:33 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Yeah, probably dehydrated or sick or something, and he just couldn't make it, and it was in the heat.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:38 I only went to Mexico once. We were in San Diego, and we drove down, and the first thing I saw was a dead body leaning against the, the rock with it split that says, "This side's America. This side's Mexico."

Joe Rogan 20:50 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:50 And we were high as shit, so like, we were immediately like, "Was he cou- going back or was he-"

Joe Rogan 20:57 Did he drown?

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:57 ... coming and... No, he was, uh, he was just dead. He was just a de- dead old Mexican guy.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Oh, like old age dead?

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:04 Well, probably dehi- I mean, it could have been anything. Who knows? I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:08 But he was just-

Joe Rogan 21:09 He was not a doctor?

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:09 No, he was arms crossed with a thing over his head.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Oh, Jesus.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:13 And, um-

Joe Rogan 21:14 So they had him, like, laid there?

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:17 He was literally-

Joe Rogan 21:17 Arms crossed?

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:18 ... laid there next to the rock.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Like a corpse?

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:21 Like a corpse.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Maybe somebody didn't have money for a funeral, and they're like, "Okay, Grandpa, it's been real. Take care. Love ya." (smacks lips)

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:26 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:26 "Let somebody figure this out."

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:28 Yeah, that's a weird one.

Joe Rogan 21:28 You know how much money a fucking funeral costs? That's the thing Joey Diaz hit me too. He goes, "You know what a fucking scam is? These fucking mortuary homes and funeral homes and all that shit." You have to do it. You have to do it even if someone wants to be cremated. You have to embalm them, so you have to pay for that. And then you have to pay for a coffin. And then they try to upsell you. "Don't you want a Cadillac or a coffin for Grampy? Grampy always liked red velvet. He was the king. They dressed Grampy up in his nicest suit and a red velvet lo-" And it costs you $40,000 for the whole thing, and you're like, "What am I doing?"

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:02 My buddies pulled a Big Lebowski. We had a comedian that we all started with named Skeezy, and he passed away, um, and nobody in his family wanted to claim the ashes, so Benji and Matt Edgar were like, "Well, we'll put him somewhere. He loved Venice Beach. Let's take him to the beach." So Benji goes to the Venice Beach mortuary or whatever, picks up the urn. They go to the ocean, and Matt's kind of watching Benji, and he goes, like, waist-high in the water, and he dumps out Skeezy's ashes, and it all just starts to compile (laughs) all around, all around Benji. And Matt's laughing-

Joe Rogan 22:40 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:40 ... and fucking Benji's cracking up. And as he gets out, like, the ashes are, like, following him, so they're, like, cra- all over his body, so he had to go shower in one of those Venice Beach, like, public showers to get the ashes off of him.

Joe Rogan 22:52 From what I heard, someone told... (sighs) Who was, who were they talking to? There was some podcast where they were talking about... I kind of wish I could remember so I could give them credit, but there was some podcast where they were talking about what you're, what you're really getting when you get Grampy's ashes. It's like, you're getting ash that's just sitting in the bottom of this furnace. It's not necessarily your grandpa. They don't, like, clean it out perfectly.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:14 No one's watching.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 No one gives a shit. Also, what it really looks like when they burn someone, uh, when they burn the body, you have, like, fragments of bone and shit. There's a lot. See if you can find, like, images of what it looks like when they actually cremate someone. But the guy was like, "You're not getting ashes." And not only that, sometimes they just throw other stuff in there, like cement.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:33 Hm.

Joe Rogan 23:33 You'll get cement. You're like, they don't give a fuck.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:36 Like, it's just like, it's symbolic.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:38 It's just a dumb thing we do. What you're supposed to do is let that body feed life. We're so stingy, we don't even let our bodies feed life. So that's what it really looks like. Look what it looks like. It's bones and chips and shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:54 Ew.

Guest 23:54 And Theo had a mortician on before.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Oh, maybe it was Theo.

Guest 23:58 Yeah, it could've been.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Did he say that?

Guest 24:00 I don't know specifically. I was trying to look it up. I know-

Joe Rogan 24:01 I bet, I bet that's exactly what it is. No, thinking about it, I don't know.

Guest 24:08 It could've been anybody.

Joe Rogan 24:09 But either way, there was, someone was saying that a lot of the stuff you're getting in there, in disreput- I'm not saying all of them, of course. Some of them, sure, it's y- your Grampy, but of the disreputable ones, they don't give a fuck. They'll throw fucking kitty litter in there. "Here, go worship the kitty litter, you fucking idiot." They don't care.... they're just doing this in and out and in and out. And here's the other thing, do you know how many guys wind up fucking the female corpses?

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:35 No.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Do you know that this has been an issue?

Tony Hinchcliffe 24:37 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 24:37 No. My friend claims that when he was young, that they went to a funeral home and that the guy came to ... like, they were ringing the doorbell, the guy wouldn't come. They're knocking on the door, it was like for someone in their family that was dead. And the guy was in the back and came out, he was sweaty and out of breath. And they were like, "What the fuck is this guy doing?" He was acting super fucking sketchy and really weird. (clears throat) And they think he was back there with one of the corpses.

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 25:14 Yeah. He goes ... he just felt like he just fucked somebody. I go, "Really?" He goes, "When you think about it, it's like these women are hot and they're, they haven't deteriorated. And no one's around."

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:26 Oh, come on.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:28 There's rigamortis and stuff. It's, uh, uh, it's hard.

Joe Rogan 25:31 Are you sure?

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:32 Yeah. It's gotta be. It's gotta be like ...

Joe Rogan 25:36 Reported cases of employees sexually abusing dead bodies are relatively rare. Yeah, if they get caught (clears throat) by some prolific necrophiliac. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:46 Do you remember the one that, uh, the, the bit Kinison had?

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:48 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Oh my God. It was how I found out about Kinison. I, I found out about it through a girl I worked with. This girl I worked with reenacted Kinison's bit about homosexual necrophiliacs paying money to morticians to spend a few hours undisturbed with their freshest male corpse. So Kinison, like, did this bit, where he was ... you ever see the bit?

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:08 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 26:09 Oh, it's a fucking classic, dude. It's a classic. See if you can find the bit.

Narrator 26:15 Uh, I don't know if we can play that.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Play it and then we'll just edit it out. Fucking YouTube.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:22 Yeah, they're tricky, man. We gotta fucking play the game.

Joe Rogan 26:25 Listen, they're awesome.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:27 They're awesome. They have the best platform. I mean, it's the most-

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:30 ... accessible, it's so easy to s- to share. The sharing things is huge.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:36 'Cause you don't really share Netflix sto- movies and stuff.

Narrator 26:39 But the darkest-

Joe Rogan 26:39 I tell people ... Here it is. (laughs)

Narrator 26:41 ... sickest thing ...

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 26:44 What a bit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:45 (clears throat) So, this girl that I worked with, this was at, uh, the Boston Athletic Club.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:50 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 26:50 She got down in the parking lot and she was lying on her stomach, she goes, "Oh, oh!"

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:56 "I mean, life keeps fucking me in the ass even after you're dead. It never ends." She's, like, doing that and I'm howling laughing at her doing an impression of Kinison.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:04 That's how I found out about Sam Kinison.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:07 Fucking amazing.

Joe Rogan 27:08 That was before I was even thinking about doing comedy. I was 19.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:11 Yeah, I was like, "Wow, that's crazy. What's he doing?" (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:16 I just like, "What?" I remember watching him for the first time going, "Oh, that's comedy too?" Like, I always loved comedy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:24 I always used to watch The Tonight Show.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Like, when Richard Jeni would be on or Seinfeld would be on. I loved The Tonight Show. I loved standup, like even at The Improv. Like, when I was, like, I wasn't even 21. I went to, uh, see Jerry Seinfeld with this girl I was dating. We're just sitting there like, "Wow, seeing comedy." And I went to a ... But I always thought comedy was that, it was like the TV comedy, you know? And then there was Richard Pryor and then there was Eddie Murphy. But I never thought, like, sick shit could be funny until I saw Kinison. I was like, "Oh my God."

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:57 Like, that's a different thing. That's ... I didn't know that was comedy too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:01 Right. No, I'm with you. I was a Jim, uh, Jim Carrey guy, and you know, when I was young, the funny faces and all the silly noises and stuff and everything. And, uh, and then when he did Man on the Moon and I saw that darker side of things and Andy gets fired from The Improv right at the beginning of the movie. And I realized right then that he was making money performing in front of live audiences. And I'm like, "What the fuck is that? That's cr- ... Wait." So there's, like, a lower level before The Tonight Show and stuff.

Joe Rogan 28:32 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:33 And I started going to libraries and stuff to look up books on Andy Kaufman. I would look up Andy Kaufman and find any book that mentioned him. I went down this crazy dark rabbit hole.

Joe Rogan 28:43 I used to go to Jerry's Deli all the time. Uh, that place was awesome. It was a great place 'cause it's 24 hours, you could always go there after shows. And they had a photo of Andy Kaufman on the wall. So it's Andy Kaufman when he worked there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:58 So Andy Kaufman, while he was on Taxi, took a job at Jerry's Deli just to wait tables.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Just to, like, be weird. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:08 (laughs) Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:08 So it's people who've been getting their fucking tables cleaned up and they're like, "Wait, what? Are you the f- ... Is that Latka?" Or whatever his name was.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:18 What was his name?

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:19 Latka Gravis.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:20 And that's back when-

Joe Rogan 29:21 Look at them.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:22 ... you know.

Joe Rogan 29:22 He's fucking working there while he was on Taxi.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:26 Yeah, back when there was only three channels, so there's not a ton of famous people.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Right. Exactly.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:32 Boy, you had to hang out with famous people back then 'cause nobody understood.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Nobody got you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:38 E- you know. Jesus Christ. Imagine having w- a famous person, like a John Belushi back then.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:43 Shoo, crazy. Too much pressure.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Well, the shows, the amount of people who would watch those shows too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:49 He used to bus tables at a restaurant at the height of his fame on the television show Taxi. Kaufman would stay in character as a humble busboy always denying that he was Kaufman. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:01 Oh, Jerry's d- Jerry's went under, the Studio City one went under too. Oh God.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:05 They closed 'em all. The ... Are they all done?

Narrator 30:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Yeah. Goddammit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:10 Yeah, we were stuck going to Norm's when I was there a few weeks ago.

Joe Rogan 30:13 How's Norm's?

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:14 Eh.

Joe Rogan 30:15 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:16 (laughs) It does. If, if you're hungry enough to go to Norm's at 3:00 or 4:00 AM, then it's just fine.

Joe Rogan 30:21 My favorite is Canter's.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:23 Yeah, Canter's.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Can- Canter's is the shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:24 That is the quintessential Jewish deli.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:27 Like, their reuben, their pastrami reuben ...

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... off the charts.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Off the charts. They have the best pastrami in the city.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 As, as far as I've had. Like, Jerry's was really good. Canter's is one level above it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:39 Totally.

Joe Rogan 30:40 One level. You can make me feel the cholesterol-

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:42 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 30:43 ... like right in your veins.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:45 And it's just the sauerkraut and the fucking-

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:48 ... Russian dressing, and the... Oh, the rye bread. Come on.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:52 God.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Come on.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:53 I've been eating like such shit lately.

Joe Rogan 30:55 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:55 That spaghetti, that spaghetti and meatballs from Boa here fucked me up, dude. Spaghetti with Wagyu meatballs?

Joe Rogan 31:02 Oh, you've been going to that a lot?

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:03 I, I've had it twice since then, and it's like... I, I had, I have to stop 'cause it's literally like heroin. I feel like shit afterwards.

Joe Rogan 31:11 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:11 I feel like shit the next day. It's like crazy. I don't know what the hell they have in that fucking pasta. It must be 1000%, like Heisenberg level gluten, because it is addictive and makes you feel terrible.

Joe Rogan 31:25 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:25 But it makes you so happy for the, for the six minutes that it takes me to eat the entire dish.

Joe Rogan 31:30 Right, and then you feel terrible-

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:31 Just rolling it up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:32 ... for 30 hours. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:34 Yes. Yes. It's the closest thing I'd imagine to heroin that there is. Of course, there's probably a bunch of hair- people on heroin like... Right?

Joe Rogan 31:40 But isn't that similar to getting drunk? You know, you get... If you drink a little bit, you feel great while it's happening, and the next day you're like, "I'm never doing that again."

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:49 Yeah, I do that all the time.

Joe Rogan 31:51 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:51 (laughs) I did that last night.

Joe Rogan 31:52 Yeah, it's the same thing. I ate with, uh, Joey Friday night in New Jersey. Went to his spot il Nido. Oh, there is nothing like East Coast Italian food.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 32:03 It is an... A different thing.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:05 100%.

Joe Rogan 32:05 It's a different level. It's a different level. That il Nido place, I would fly in to go to that place.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Oh, look at that. That was, that was charred clams on this fucking insane toasted bread. It... That was spicy rigatoni. Dude, it was off the charts.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Off the... That's the meatballs? Off the charts.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:23 Yeah. Whole different level.

Joe Rogan 32:24 The steak was perfect. Everything's perfect. That's bone marrow with potato puffs. Oh, dude, it was so good. And that's, um... What is that? What's that called? The thin, thin sliced beef? What the fuck is it called?

Narrator 32:38 Ceviche?

Joe Rogan 32:38 No, ceviche.

Narrator 32:40 Tartar? Tartar?

Joe Rogan 32:40 No. No. Carpaccio.

Narrator 32:43 There you go.

Joe Rogan 32:43 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:46 My crew, we did, uh, Cleveland and then a night in Pittsburgh, and Youngstown's dead in between the two, so I took... We stopped off in Youngstown for lunch and got two different types of pizza from two different places. And, uh, everyone's minds are completely blown 'cause you cannot get pizza like that anywhere.

Joe Rogan 33:04 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:04 You could try to find something in Chicago, but that's Chicago, and New York's New York. There's not, there's not that middle... Not deep dish, not thin crust. But in Youngstown there's 20 places unlike any place anywhere else.

Joe Rogan 33:20 So what? It's like a hybrid of deep dish and-

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:23 It's just a normal old fucking, like, lunch, school lunch pizza, but different types. Bellaria's famous for their Brier Hill, which is, you know, just plain with shaker cheese and some green peppers, which is diabolical. 'Cause if the sauce is good and the bread is good and the cheese is good, you don't need anything else. It's like a simple...

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah. Well, that's what, uh, Portnoy always gets. He always gets a plain cheese pizza.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:50 You watch his reviews of cheese pizza place?

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:51 Sometimes, yeah. I love the ones where the people get mad and shit. It's so great.

Joe Rogan 33:55 They get mad, yeah, if he doesn't... If it doesn't meet up to his standards. I mean, the guy's eaten everybody's pizza.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:01 Like, you gotta know what the fuck you're doing. But he says that New Haven, Connecticut is like where some of the best pizza in the world comes from.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:09 That makes sense. I could see that. A lot of those offshoot Italian spots where they hid away, like Youngstown, like that. I guarantee Pittsburgh has decent...

Joe Rogan 34:20 You know what they have in common?

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:21 Hmm?

Joe Rogan 34:22 Mob activity.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:23 Oh, exactly.

Joe Rogan 34:23 New Haven has a lot of mob activity.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:25 100%.

Joe Rogan 34:26 I used to work at the Joker's Wild. It's a place in New Haven, and the owner was a crazy convict.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Just out of his mind.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:33 Uh-

Joe Rogan 34:33 And I saw the owner, uh, beat a guy in the face with his shoe. He took his shoe off and beat a guy in the face- (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:38 ... with the heel of his shoe, just...

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:41 He had blood all over him. Oh, it was a fucking disaster.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:45 Those people need pizza.

Joe Rogan 34:46 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:47 They figure out how to get the good pizza.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah. It's funny how that's the case, though. If you have like a serious Italian neighborhood, you've probably got a little bit of mafia influence in there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:58 Totally. I mean, that's all they know. You gotta bet on things. You gotta run things. Get a tax here, tax there, protect them.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Imagine owing money to a bookie, how terrifying that would be.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:10 You're on the run. You owe $100,000 to this guy, and you're trying to gamble on other games to make it right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Like, Uncut Gems.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:20 That movie gives me so much anxiety.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:22 You watch that movie like, "Don't... Oh, Jesus Christ. What are you doing? I'm fucking..." (groans)

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:28 Dude, I watched this show that gave me more anxiety than any show I've ever watched in my entire fucking life.

Joe Rogan 35:34 What?

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:35 Baby Reindeer.

Joe Rogan 35:36 Oh, I've heard it's insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe 35:37 It's the scariest thing ever. It's the scariest show ever. This guy's nice to one person who he doesn't really wanna be nice to, gives her a water or a tea or whatever, and she falls in love with him, and it become... It is the scariest show. I think it's supposed to be a comedy. I don't think I laughed once. The comedy part's not funny. He's also trying to be a comedian. None of it's funny at all, but the... It's literally you're watching for the anxiety.

Joe Rogan 36:08 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:08 I started it, and then I'm like, "I don't wanna watch, but I have to." And I just kept going, and it's fucking frightening.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Have you seen the actual lady go on Piers Morgan and talk-

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:17 Yeah, and she's literally like how she is in the thing.

Joe Rogan 36:20 She's insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:21 Oh, she's-

Joe Rogan 36:22 And happy to talk about it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:25 And, and claiming she's not insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:27 And not knowing how insane you look.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:29 Yeah. Fucking frightening.

Joe Rogan 36:32 It's wild when people don't know how insane they are.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:36 And you, you watch them and you're like, "Oh, God. They don't... They think they're sane. They think they're fine. They think they're gonna go on there and make a good argument."

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:42 Those are the most insane people, the ones that don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:47 You been watching the Fauci hearings?

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:49 No.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Whoa. Dude, it's wild. It's wild.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:54 What, what's going on with that?

Joe Rogan 36:54 He's still, he's still, like, deeply in denial about everything. He's... I mean, they're confronting him about emails that they got, about deleting emails in preparation of a Freedom of Information Act request. They got emails from people that he worked with saying, you know, that, uh, "Don't worry, Fauci is too smart to talk about this stuff on emails. You'll either have to deliver something to him or meet him in person." There's all this, like, weird deception shit. There's people that said, "This is clearly leaked from a lab. Look at the fair and cleavage sites." This, they have to be... That, that, that's put into the virus to make it more infectious to human beings. They're talking about it in the email. And then that same guy, after talking to Fauci, like three days later, is like, "It's ridiculous to think this came from a lab." (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:41 "This is clearly from a natural or..." And they're all talking about discrediting people who are talking about the lab leak theory. I mean, they... What they did was insane, and they did it in front of everybody. And finally, Fauci has to talk about it to people. But he's still in denial about all of it. There's no science that says that masking for children works. There's no science that says that vaccinating children works, that it's good, that it's overall good. And the amount of people that have gotten wrecked by this, they're starting to recognize it in other countries, and they're talking about it in other countries. They haven't quite gone public with it in all the newspapers in the United States yet.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:20 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 38:20 But in the UK, they're bl- they're blaming it... There was the thing about Germany today. There was a front page of, like, a major newspaper. Somebody sent it to me. I'll send it to you, Jamie. Um, but they're finally starting to talk about it and they're talking about excess deaths in the Philippines. They're talking about the amount of people that are, uh, no longer, um, having children. The amount of, uh, less children that are born, because one of the side effects that is claimed, uh, is it wrecks women's fertility and it, it wrecks men's fertility too. It just, it... The baby numbers are down by a million.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:58 I saw that too, but I couldn't tell what newspaper it was from.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Yeah, I don't know. Um, I bet-

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:03 I've got to look

Narrator 39:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:03 ... if you take the, the title.

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:05 I'll take the writer's name and look it up.

Joe Rogan 39:06 But they're talking about it, uh, analyze data.

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:10 Sorry, I was Googling it. Uh, where was it? Here.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Just... Here we go (clears throat) . It says, um, "Researchers from the Netherlands analyzed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there have been more than three million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and con- containment measures. Experts said the unprecedented figures raise serious concerns and called on governments to fully investigate the underlying causes, including possible vaccine harms." This is wild stuff, man, because, you know, now that we're getting an understanding of how much deception was involved, like, trying to blame it on a natural origin when they clearly knew it was a lab leak, and they still don't say it's a lab leak. "It was clearly a lab leak."

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 "Clearly." Obviously, I'm not a doctor, but in my eyes, it looks like a fucking lab leak. And most people that are educated think it's a fucking lab leak. And this guy still does... is denying it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:09 And was denying that it's even gain-of-function and they even funded that research. But it... They changed the definition of gain-of-function for this particular vaccine.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:19 What did they change it to?

Joe Rogan 40:21 The, the, the definition of gain-of-function on the NIH website was changed. It was updated.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:26 So that was from The Telegraph.

Joe Rogan 40:27 The Telegraph.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:29 In the UK.

Joe Rogan 40:29 "COVID vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths." The excess deaths have to be discussed, and no one wants to because that's the ru- the real thing. The all-cause mortality deaths, the big uptick in cancer and what they're calling turbo cancer. Obviously, again, I don't understand any of this stuff, but Peter McCullough was talking about what the mechanism behind, um, this rise in cancer would be and how it could be tied into it. He was explaining it, like, from a medical perspective. And it was just... The whole thing is so nuts. Like, when are we gonna learn? Like, when are we gonna learn?

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:09 Yeah, it's crazy. When I... Being back in LA, they rehired the people that they fired for, um, for not being vaccinated.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:18 Like, Rose is, like, running the joint kind of.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Finally.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Finally, we got someone with brain.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:23 Assistant... Yeah, assistant GM. And, uh, I don't know. It just brought me great joy to see things like that, at least.

Joe Rogan 41:31 At least sort of back to normal.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:33 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 41:34 Uh, y- yeah. It's just... (sighs) I-

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:36 It... That part was the part where I'm like, "Gotta go to Texas. It's time."

Joe Rogan 41:41 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:41 They're forcing people to get a shot of something to work at a dirty night comedy club where we-

Joe Rogan 41:49 And to fly and to do everything. And they're lying about whether or not it's gonna stop the virus. They lied about it. They said, "It's gonna stop it in its tracks." It was all bullshit. There was no data that showed that it stopped it in its tracks. Even one of the people in the vaccine study got COVID.

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:05 I mean, literally.

Joe Rogan 42:06 One of the people died from COVID. Did you know that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:08 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:10 So many people that got the shot got it immediately.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 42:14 It was cr-... I mean, it's crazy. They're literally like, "I've had COVID four times. I got two shots. I got three boosters. I've had it five times." Like, it's like, so contrary to what the whole thing was supposed to do. I mean, it's...

Joe Rogan 42:29 I'm just hoping that people wake up and realize that we have this idealistic perspective that they're looking out for your best interest. But whenever there's enormous amounts of money to be made, they will distort the facts, even if something is beneficial.... I mean, let's just pretend that there's no excess deaths. Let's pretend that it just causes a bunch of neurological issues and autoimmune issues, which it seems to do. Let's pretend it's just that. Even that, they're not gonna tell you about. They're not gonna tell you about it till it's already imp- already there's problems. They, they've shown that with the Vioxx problem. When they had that Vioxx scandal, they knew, they, they had emails saying, "We're gonna have problems, but I think that we'll do well with this." Talking about financially, 'cause you got money people, man. Money people aren't medicine people. But medicine is medicine, and medicine is to help people. But it's run by money people. So you have the scientists that create the awesome medicine, and then you have the money people figure out a way to fucking sell this to people and force people to take it. And when you watch videos of all the different things, and, uh, during this, uh, thing, one of the things is that Fauci was claiming that he didn't coerce anybody to take the vaccine, but there's this whole recorded conversation of him talking about if you keep people from working, you keep people, like, if Amazon says they're not gonna hire people or big corporations, you have to be vaccinated to fly. He goes, "It's shown that people will drop their ideological bullshit and get vaccinated." You can imagine. Just imagine that's from a public health official who knows that it doesn't stop an infection. He has to know what the data is. He has to know. It was all just to get people to take it, and they made so much money. And the government, you know, this is the weird thing, the scient- there's $710 million was earned, and Fauci's claiming that he never made any money, zero. He said he got $0 from it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 44:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:32 He said he got, like, 122 bucks from a monoclonal antibody pa- patent that he has.

Tony Hinchcliffe 44:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:38 It's crazy that they work for the, they work for the American people with taxpayers' money, and they create something that they can put a patent on, and then that makes them hundreds of millions of dollars, $710 million.

Tony Hinchcliffe 44:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:50 Like, where'd that go? You didn't get any of it? But the other thing they, they showed was that Fauci's income, uh, his net worth went up to $11 million. So, he made a lot of money.

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Maybe he sold a book.

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:04 Yep.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Hm. Maybe it was legit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:07 Yeah, I saw something of him on my Twitter feed, him just playing victim.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Mm-hmm. You see like the guy behind him?

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:15 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 45:16 He, this is a fucking amazing video. This guy behind him when Fauci's talking about the death threats, the other guy's like...

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:23 The guy's making this face. Have you seen it, Jamie? I'll send it to you. It's hilarious. The dude's hilarious.

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:29 But any time anybody does that, in my mind, the stuff that-

Joe Rogan 45:32 Playing victim?

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:33 Yeah, the stuff that I've been through, like, and seen, 'cause I had a lot of death threats during quite a few phases of my, uh, my jokes being out there. (laughs) That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 45:46 There it is. That's it. Give me the volume.

Tony Hinchcliffe 45:49 I mean, it's such a joke. You probably- you-

Guest 45:51 ... of two individuals and credible death threats means someone who clearly was on their way to kill me. Um, and it's required my having, uh, protective services, uh, essentially all the time. Uh, it is very troublesome to me. Um, it is much more troublesome-

Joe Rogan 46:10 (laughs)

Guest 46:11 ... because they've involved my wife and my three daughters.

Joe Rogan 46:17 At this moment, how do you feel? Keep your mic on.

Guest 46:22 Terrible.

Joe Rogan 46:24 Do you continue to receive threats today?

Guest 46:27 Yes, I do. Every time someone gets up...

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:30 Yeah. Well...

Joe Rogan 46:30 Well, that was the other thing. They blame podcasters.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:33 They blame podcasters, and they said that we're responsible for 200 to 300,000 deaths.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:38 Yeah. That makes total sense.

Joe Rogan 46:41 Hey, man, you made it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:42 First of all, don't blame us. First of all, you made it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:49 You fucking made it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:50 You funded it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:52 You were a part of the research.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:55 Andy was the main salesman on the air every day-

Joe Rogan 46:59 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 46:59 ... when we nee- when we were watching the news 'cause there was nothing else. We wanted updates, we wanted to see when things were gonna open, if any positive news was there. And we had him.

Joe Rogan 47:09 The richest thing of all is Chris Cuomo's now taking ivermectin.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:14 Oh my God, Dave Smith bodying him is one of the greatest all-time, I mean.

Joe Rogan 47:19 I, I said this before and it was that, I said it was gonna be Mike Tyson versus Marvis Frazier.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:24 Like, "What have I gotten myself into?" And that's what it was.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:27 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:28 But he's, he did it to himself. He did it to himself. I mean, Kr- Dave did it to him for sure, but Chris did it to himself.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:35 He just has this bizarre way of trying to, like, lawyer it up and twist the words-

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:40 ... and turn it into something that's okay. "I didn't say that. Where's the clips?" And then they show the clip.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:46 And he's s- still trying to pretend-

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:47 And there was-

Joe Rogan 47:48 ... that they weren't mocking people for taking-

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:50 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:50 ... horse dewormer.

Tony Hinchcliffe 47:51 And there was more than that. The, the, you know, these clips, they do a funny thing over at CNN, I think we were talking about this the other day 'cause of a joke that I do in the headlines, they do a funny thing where they can change the headlines-

Joe Rogan 48:01 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:01 ... after a certain amount of time.

Joe Rogan 48:03 Oh, yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:03 You know, they can change the, they can delete videos, they can copyright strike 'em. They have control over what they've done, and they went on and on and on. There was a whole thing with... I was obsessed with CNN because I find propaganda to be very, very interesting. I wanna know what everyone else is seeing. I wanna know what the audiences are seeing.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Especially the people that aren't really paying attention.

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:28 Yeah. And I-

Joe Rogan 48:28 Maybe they don't have friends that know what's really going on. They don't-

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:32 ... they, they don't know the whole history behind everything.

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:34 And I know it's not real. I look at CNN like most people look at pro wrestling. And I look at pro wrestling like it's pro wrestling.

Joe Rogan 48:43 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:43 Like it's real. No. But, I mean-

Joe Rogan 48:46 Yeah, it is like pro wrestling.

Tony Hinchcliffe 48:47 Especially, during that time. I was studying that so hard, 'cause I, I knew, I knew that they were... I knew something was fucking rotten going on.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Yeah. They don't know what to do about Israel and Palestine. They're just, like, trapped. They're trapped in the middle.

Narrator 49:03 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Did you see, um, in Philly, where the, uh, gay pride parade ran into the Free Palestine Parade, and they wouldn't let them pass?

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:09 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Like, no, we're, our thing is more important-

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:13 ... than you guys fucking each other. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:15 Yeah. Crazy.

Joe Rogan 49:17 It's just woke eating woke.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:19 It's the left eating the left.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 49:21 But that's what they've always done. They eat themselves. By the way, the right does it too. The right does it too. They did it all, they do it all the time. It's a human characteristic that we can't really just say one side does-

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:32 ... 'cause it's not true.

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:33 The gay parade and the Palestine parade meeting up in the middle is like the time Kid Rock shot a bunch of Bud Light. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:41 (laughs)

Narrator 49:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:41 No, because nothing's gonna die.

Narrator 49:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:43 No, no, no business is gonna get crushed by it.

Narrator 49:48 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 49:48 (laughs) It's like, "No, you guys don't wanna... You guys don't wanna fight each other."

Joe Rogan 49:52 Look at this. Look at the fucking, look at the Free Palestine, the gay pride. It's a standoff. It's a fucking flat-out standoff.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:00 Hijabs versus blow jobs over here.

Joe Rogan 50:04 No... (laughs)

Narrator 50:06 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:06 No pride in genocide. So they're stopping the pride parade. No, you can't have your parade. Our parade's more important. I love the masks. I just love them.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:14 Look at all these people with masks on. It is the liberal's MAGA hat. It is.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:18 I've said it a million times, but that's what it is. It's a fucking MAGA hat.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:24 Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 50:24 These dorks. How many of them had fucking masks on, man? It's crazy. They don't even work. I mean-

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... they work as well as that lady's visor that's turned backwards.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:35 Yeah. (laughs) And they definitely don't work against AIDS, so wearing one-

Joe Rogan 50:38 Ai-yi-yi.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:39 ... in a gay pride parade is completely pointless.

Joe Rogan 50:43 (laughs)

Narrator 50:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:44 Uh, uh, imagine doing the math. This is gonna protect you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 50:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Fuu... Yeah, they're wearing a mask outside, and meanwhile they butt-fuck strangers in glory holes and stuff, so it's like... I honestly think it's more of the Free Palestine people that were wearing the masks.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:00 You think anybody's ever worn a mask at a glory hole?

Joe Rogan 51:03 What's that?

Guest 51:03 'Cause they don't wanna be identified in photos.

Joe Rogan 51:05 That's true too, right?

Guest 51:06 That's pretty much most of it.

Joe Rogan 51:07 You think most of it?

Guest 51:08 Yeah, retaliation. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:11 I don't think it should be legal to wear a mask in public.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:14 I agree with that.

Joe Rogan 51:15 I just think it's too creepy. You could rob someone.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:17 It's... I mean, in New York City, if someone had a mask on in the past, you'd be like really wary, "Oh my God, this guy's got a ski mask on. Fuck."

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 It was scary. That means they were gonna rob you, and you couldn't identify them.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:28 Right. I-

Joe Rogan 51:29 Why are we allowing that? It doesn't work.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:33 The data's in, kids. Doesn't work. It never made sense. Even in the early days of the pandemic, there was this famous doctor that went viral, 'cause he was doing vape hits, and he would put a mask on, and the vape smoke would blow straight through the mask. And he was explaining like, this is... These vapor particles are bigger than COVID particles.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:53 Like, it's going right through that mask. It's not stopping jack shit, and you're gonna get it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 51:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:59 You're gonna get it. And, you know, they said, "Oh, the masks work at the margins." Like, if you fuck with the numbers... Because here's the thing, how many people wear masks all the time all, are als- are also super fucking paranoid, right? So they're avoiding crowds. They're not going out. How many people who won't wear a mask are a little loose?

Guest 52:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:19 They're just like, "Fuck it. If I get sick, I get sick. I already got COV. Fuck it."

Tony Hinchcliffe 52:23 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:24 You know, they just go out. So you can't... It's hard to know when you have a large group of s- uh, wh- eh, when something as weird as the pandemic happens. And even then, they can't show... It's not like the, all the people with masks showed. 80% of them didn't get COVID. Uh-uh. Nah, fuck it, they all got COVID. Everybody got COVID.

Tony Hinchcliffe 52:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:42 And then there's this, this thing where they wanna say it protects you from hospitalization and death. No, th- that's not true either.

Tony Hinchcliffe 52:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:53 'Cause I know a lot of people who were vaccinated who got COVID who got to the fucking hospital.

Tony Hinchcliffe 52:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:58 And I know a couple that died.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:01 How many people do you know that died from COVID?

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:04 I... Confirmed, actually don't know anybody, I don't think. I mean, it's kinda debatable. Like Jeff Scott, I mean, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 53:14 No, Jeff Scott, d- he died alone, like in his r- I don't think he had COVID.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:18 I mean, yeah, exactly. I know some people that died during that period, but really nobody.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Jeff Scott was HIV positive too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:23 Yeah, for a long time.

Joe Rogan 53:24 I wonder if maybe he couldn't get his meds?

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:27 Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 53:29 I mean, 'cause that was an issue during the pandemic as well. That's when we f- we realized that China makes all our medicine. Like, what? (laughs) Like... China makes a lot of things, man.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:37 It's crazy how much we rely on them for manufacturing stuff.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:42 Yep, crazy. I-

Joe Rogan 53:43 Yeah, they're trying to mitigate some of that now. Samsung is actually putting in, um, a chip factory in Austin.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:49 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Yeah. Should be interesting.

Tony Hinchcliffe 53:51 Yeah. We gotta do something. We gotta get businesses back over here and stuff.

Joe Rogan 53:56 Yeah, we, well, we definitely shouldn't rely on, uh, a foreign country that w- is not our ally for our fucking medicine. Like, Jesus.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:04 That's so kooky. That is such a kooky thought.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:09 It's... phew.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:10 We live in the craziest times.

Joe Rogan 54:11 It's so weird, man. It's... Every day it's weirder and weirder. And every day, AI gets stronger and stronger. And every day, I wonder, like, is, are these the last days of just being a regular person? Are these the last days of us just driving around, getting on a plane, going to places, telling jokes? Are these just the last days of that? Like, are we gonna be living in a world in five years that's unrecognizable? 'Cause I think we are, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:41 (sighs) I hope not. I don't know. The AI stuff still... I'm not completely mesmerized or convinced. I hear you and Duncan talking about it a lot in the green room, and I'm just always like, "I don't know."... I don't really, I haven't bought in yet. It all just seems like a fancy Alexa to me. It seems like a-

Joe Rogan 54:58 Well, have you actually seen what it can do? Have you ever seen what it can do, like as far as coding?

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:04 No.

Joe Rogan 55:04 It can code so much faster than people. Like, it can solve problems faster than people. It can do all of these things already better than people can. Like, no one in the future is going to need to hire a coder. Like, a person who sits in front of a terminal for 16 hours a day and just fucking Adderalls out and just like lines of code, that's done. That's done. You could do that if you want to. But, the computer's gonna bang it out quick.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:27 It's, it would be stupid for you to do that when the computer can do it in two seconds and you're gonna spend 16 hours and you might fuck up a few lines and you gotta go back and check it and... Why? Why are you entering it in manually? The computer's just gonna do it. You know? Why, what, are you gonna stand there with a f- one of those old-timey photographs and ka-toosh, where everybody has to stand still? No, you have a phone now. It takes a better picture. It's gonna be like that with everything. It's g- it's going to be in control of airplanes. It's going to be in control of all the automobiles. The problem is you're gonna have to get, like, permission to go places. It's gonna get fucking weird, dude. It's gonna get really, really weird.

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:07 Yeah, I just hope we can... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 56:10 Well, think about the amount of change that we have now in comparison to just our parents. Just our parents. The, the best transportation back then was an airplane. The best way to get the news was the television or a newspaper and you didn't, you didn't know what to do with your life. You just, you had to go to college and then you go to college or you go to trade school or you get a apprenticeship and you get a job and then you get a kid and you get like you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. You have this like surface level understanding of what's going on in the world. And now everybody knows what's going on in the world. Now every, like, the amount we knew about, um, the ir- Iraq invasion in like in '92, 93-

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 ... whatever it was when, when the Iraq invaded Kuwait and-

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:58 ... Desert Storm. The amount we knew was like minuscule.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Minuscule. Nobody, there was no like YouTube shows where you could see someone breaking it down. "Oh, they're actually trying to get away from the American dollar. We're trying to do this and that." And there was none of that. No one knew the hustle.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:15 It's crazy that these wars are still happening, I don't, I ca- I don't know, I don't know why we're giving them our money. It's, we need a, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Well, that's not gonna change.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:25 I mean, that, I mean, that might shift if Trump becomes president. I mean, maybe he can get away with some stuff. Maybe he could do some things. He wants to stop the wars. He's like the only one that's like saying he can stop the wars and wants to stop the wars.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:38 He's the only one that did before. He did it before.

Joe Rogan 57:40 What can he do though? What can he do different? Like, what can... Let's pretend. Let's pretend it's, uh, November of 2024, Trump wins, January he gets in office. What can he do?

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:53 Well, it seems like he has a way to, uh...

Joe Rogan 57:57 (laughs) Jesus Christ. Trump is planning to send kill teams to Mexico to take out cartel leaders. Donald Trump has told allies about his plans to covertly send special forces to Mexico to assassinate drug kingpins, sources tell Rolling Stone. Well, Rolling Stone, you have lied to me before.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:17 You've lied to me a lot. And you've lied to me about the fucking people overdosing on horse dewormer. Remember that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:24 That was Rolling Stone. They had a, a line of people outside waiting to get to the hospital because so many people were in there for horse dewormer overdoses that gunshot victims couldn't get in.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:35 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 58:36 They're so dumb, they used a photograph. This was in like August in Oklahoma. They used a photograph of people wearing coats 'cause they were lining up for a flu shot. It was a different shot, different photo. It wasn't what they were really were there for. It was bullshit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:50 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 58:50 What is that article, Jim?

Guest 58:51 The same thing, it was just, uh, printed somewhere else.

Joe Rogan 58:54 The same thing?

Guest 58:55 Yeah, same thing printed on Yahoo! But the source was Rolling Stone and here too.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Yeah, I mean, if he was doing that, someone's a rat. So, s- shut the fuck up.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:06 It seems like a w- it seems like the type of article that you would put out if you want the person assassinated and you wanna make it look like someone else is going to assassinate them.

Guest 59:14 It's reported a little differently. One source recalled him saying it in the past, earlier this year, that he would do something like that.

Joe Rogan 59:20 He should create a kill list of drug lords consisting of most notorious heads of drug cartels that a special ops team would be tasked with killing or capturing.

Guest 59:27 That's a different way of saying that.

Joe Rogan 59:29 You know, the problem with that is you create a power vacuum and then what happens is someone else rises to the new spot. You're, you're not gonna stop the demand so you're not gonna stop the supply. You can try, but unless you're in an all-out everyday war with the cartel, you're probably not gonna do that. Even if you kidnap and capture leaders, you're gonna disrupt the organization, but my guess, my uneducated guess would be someone was gonna st- come in to fill that void.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 They gotta make drugs legal, as horrible as that sounds. But that's the only way. They should just make them legal, tax the shit out of them, and use the money for treatment centers and education.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:13 And testing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Yeah, and, and testing. And you know-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:16 You know that, you know that it's illegal to have a, to, to, it's illegal to have or to give away fentanyl test strips in the state of Texas?

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 It's illegal?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:29 Illegal. 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Can you sell them?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:32 Me and my buddy are starting a water company. Here's how I know about this. Canned water, right? And the plan was to get them into all the bars in the city. Our idea was to literally just attach a, a 30¢, you know, fentanyl test strip and then we found out we can't do that. You can't give away fentanyl test strips. You can't...

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 ... can't give 'em away.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:57 You can't even order them in Texas.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Can you sell them?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:00 Uh, if you go to Amazon, you can get fentanyl test strips in specific states.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Whoa.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Why would they stop test strips?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:08 (sighs) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Th- you think it's encouraging people to do coke? Is that what that is?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:13 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 That doesn't make any sense.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:15 I know. It's very bizarre.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 There's so many dumbass fucking laws.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:21 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 'Cause there's so many goofy people on both the left and the right. Texas House passes bill decriminalizing fen- fentanyl s- test strips.

Guest 1:01:28 Or maybe that's if you have 'em, I guess.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Oh, okay. Bill would take fentanyl test strips off the state's drug paraphernalia list, meaning it would no longer be a crime to carry them.

Guest 1:01:37 Now it's probably hard to buy 'em.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Yeah. Maybe you just can't give 'em out?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:41 Yeah, which is crazy.

Guest 1:01:43 It's still hard, uh, that's a, that's always a problem.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Why don't you Google, "Is it legal to give out fentanyl test strips in Texas?"

Guest 1:01:50 I did. That's how I got here.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Did it, did it give any articles other than that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:54 Uh, it probably says below that part that

Narrator 1:01:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 How much time can you get for selling fentanyl in Texas? How much time?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:00 20 years.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 For 200 to 400 grams, you're looking at five to 99 years or even life in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. Life imprisonment, the most severe punishment for having more than 400 grams. Wow.

Guest 1:02:14 They also only do, like, the state bill stuff here for like s- I mean, I don't know how different it is in other states. But it's only like six months out of the year. The other half, they're not, like, they're, they're out of session.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Jesus.

Guest 1:02:23 You have to wait till next year before they start looking at stuff again. That happened with...

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:26 (exhales loudly) Jesus.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 I'm like, "There's no reason." There's no rea-... They can't have a good reason for... Just no good reason.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 I mean, there's an epidemic.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:35 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 There's 100,000 people in this country in a year.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:39 Yeah.

Guest 1:02:39 Update, there you go, that died in the Senate-

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Oh, no.

Guest 1:02:42 ... despite support from Greg Abbott.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Oh, no. The legislation comes after a bill to decriminalize Tex- so Texas and Congress lead bipartisan efforts to allow fentanyl test strips. The legislation comes after... but died in the Senate despite support.

Guest 1:02:58 So whatever I pulled up before was just gonna pass through the House, I guess.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 So they're trying to bring it back. Who the fuck is opposing that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:07 Isn't that crazy?

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 Who the fuck would oppose fentanyl test strips?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:11 I wanna know.

Guest 1:03:12 Well, I'll tell you who it says in the article in one second.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Yeah, name the names.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:17 (laughs)

Guest 1:03:17 Uh...

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:17 It's just...

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 That's a crazy thing to oppose.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:19 Inexcusable. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 It's a crazy thing to oppose, kids. Like, th- it doesn't make any sense.

Guest 1:03:24 It just doesn't say to oppose this.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:26 'Cause if we can figure out who that is and wher- wher- where they're getting their money from, then we can start to solve a lot of problems here. 'Cause that's an actual serious problem.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 Imagine they-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:37 They wanted to make COVID a big deal.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Imagine if they're getting their money from the cartel. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:42 Yeah. Right? I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 I mean, maybe.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:44 Who could it be?

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Who could it be?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Who the fuck would want you to not-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:48 Who else, who else-

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 ... have fentanyl test strips?

Guest 1:03:49 Yeah, it says, it doesn't say they voted against it. It says it died, which is like... So, like, they just didn't, they didn't vote on it during the session.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 But the Senate declined to take action-

Guest 1:03:56 So it's-

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 ... in the regular session. Oh, okay.

Guest 1:03:58 So it just never got voted on. When they... That, that's gotta be the same thing, though. Like, they're avoiding it maybe on purpose, or someone doesn't want to vote on it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:04 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 But...

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:05 And, you know, by the way, this is like... You know, some people look at it like, "Oh, well, those people are doing cocaine anyway," or whatever. So maybe th- that's not the... you know, it's not the... we're not losing the best people, but it could be anybody doing anything. It could be somebody trying to do, you know, fucking molly, or, I don't know, any more fun-

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:27 ... like an actual, like, goofy psychedelic drug or something like that. It could be in any type of pill.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 I wonder if the, the logic behind n- not wanting it to be legal or sticking your neck out and saying that it should be legal is that people wanna then attach you to promoting drug use, and then you would possibly, like, have an opponent that could turn it against you and say, "My opponent promotes drug use." You know, you could have that kind of-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:52 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 ... a deal happen.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:54 Yeah, but there's a problem.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 But that's, that's, that was the gay marriage thing. That was-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 ... a lot of things. There was a lot of things that people wanted to pretend that they were against. I mean, until, I think, 2013, Hillary Clinton was saying that, uh, that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Barack Obama said that. They don't say that 'cause they believe it. What he... his opinions changed that much as a grown man? Like, what, did you do mushrooms? What'd you do?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Did you, did you smoke DMT? Like, what did you do? Tell me what you did. Well, now you have this, this complete change of heart. And he thinks it'll just be two people who are grown adults who love each other, they should be able to get married. Like, what, what happened? You tell me.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 'Cause... Or you're full of shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 One of these things is going on. Either you're, you're doing this political thing, which is like, God, it's so gross, when they just... they calculate it with what they say just so they could win, like, ooh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:48 Yeah. They realize that gays can vote. So...

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Also, they realized that public support for gay marriage was way higher, because the stigma of being gay all sort of... You know, and not that long ago, it was way more stigmatized. Like, so many people were in the closet in Hollywood, you know, 'cause they kinda had to be.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 And to this day, the one open kind of homophobia you have in Hollywood is that gay men never play straight men in movies if they're out. They never play, like, the leading romantic interest in a movie if everyone knows they're gay.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:27 That's why I'm not in any movies. (laughs) But also, making gay marriage legal didn't cost them vast sums of money. I bet if we did an online poll where every American had to vote and had to log in, uh, and you polled them, "Do you think we should be giving money to foreign wars?" I ge- I can't imagine the number being lower than 90% for no.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 Yeah, I th- I think I saw a recent Twitter poll where they tried to do that, and the m- the majority of people was like, "No."

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:01 I mean, if we forced people to vote on an actual issue.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Well, it's also, y- you have so many people that are hawkish and they think that, you know, we can break Russia or that we need to support Israel or, you know, whatever, whatever their position is, you know, where they're real hawkish on, and they have a limited amount of information about it when you talk to them. So many people, when you talk to them about it, you're like, "Well, why do you think that we need to keep sending money to Ukraine? Is it working?" Like, uh, are they... Are these people being used as cannon fodder or are they gaining ground? Like, you, you tell me what you think. "Well, you know, I mean, I just think what Putin did was..." Like, do you support a guy, like, storming into a country and taking over? I'm like, "No, I definitely don't." I, I definitely didn't support that. But that doesn't mean that you should s- spend hundreds of billions of dollars to prolong what seems like some horrible bloody conflict that just... How are they gonna win? Are they gonna take over Russia? Like how are they gonna win? They gonna kick Russia out? Russia gonna quit? They're never gonna do it again? NATO can move in, everything's gonna be fine? Are you sure? Are you sure nuclear weapons aren't on the table? Are you, are you fucking positive? Is it good that China and Russia have cuddled up together now and they're all buddy-buddy and they're fucking shaking hands and smiling, taking pictures? Like, is that good? That seems not good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:21 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 It seems not good if the whole fucking world is against us. Like that seems really bad.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:27 And if they make our medicine.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Right. And what is the fucking... What solution could Trump possibly do? Like when he says he could stop it, like how do you stop it? How do you stop it?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:37 I think Trump just puts the fear of God into these people a little bit. I think he puts the fear of-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 The guy's not gonna play by the rules.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:45 Right. They read our news... If they glance at our news, it looks like we have a crazy president. So they're like, "Oh, let's wait a bit." That's... I honestly feel that way. I think that they think, by glancing at our weird propaganda that we have, that we're being fed, they're like, "This guy's kinda crazy," according to them. So, "Uh, let's wait." I mean, why did Putin wait? Why did Putin wait to invade Ukraine until old poopy pants Jenkins was president?

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 I would... If I was gonna do anything, I'd do it right now.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 It just seems like everything's so chaotic.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:20 Absolutely. We got no border, we're giving money to fucking whoever wants it. Already rich countries.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 We got men who are the first female admiral. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:29 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 (laughs) We have so much chaos.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:31 Chaos.

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 It's so kooky.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 It's just so kooky. And-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:35 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 It's kooky and it, it seems like they're just leaning into it. Like there's no course correction at all. Just leaning into the kooky.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 Fun times.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 For comedy. Oh my goodness. We have so much stuff to talk about. Stuff that... You would have to manufacture something that bizarre that people are accepting at any other time in history.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:00 It's n- It's so weird.

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 So weird. It really is like the whole country's hypnotized. And I just think this is a perfect storm of things that are happening all at the same time, with AI emerging, China and Russia becoming buddies, us being run by a dead man. They're trying to stop this other guy from even running and they're exposing how corrupt the democracy is. They're exposing how corrupt the system is. Just by charging this guy with 34 felonies for paying off a, a lady he had sex with, like what?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:36 And how else would he have paid her money to whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:10:40 Well, the way it was written, the way it was p- put in a ledger, it's basically on most situations it would have been considered a misdemeanor. But they, they turned it into a felony, they trumped it up and they trumped it up, all... No pun intended.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 And then they, uh... He signed like 34 different checks, so there's 34 different... (laughs) The whole thing's crazy. First of all, what a cheap fuck. A pair in installments. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:05 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Don't give her all the money.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 Give her a little taste, keep her on the hook.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:12 Yeah. That actually makes sense, I guess, now that I think about it, because if you pay her all at once, she could just write a book or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 No, the whole deal was that she couldn't talk if she got the money, but obviously that didn't work out. She got the money and still talked. Like... (laughs) If you have the backing of the political party, it doesn't matter. Like especially the party that's in charge. The... But what's scary is how many Democrats are willing to allow this kind of stuff to happen. And a lot of them are aware of it. There was this one lady that went viral and she was talking about it and she was saying, "You have to understand, like I'm not a Trump supporter, I don't like Trump, but this is really dangerous for democracy." Nobody can justify this and nobody could say, "This guy should be in jail for this." It just doesn't make any sense. And especially if you wanted to look at past presidents with the same scrutiny. I mean, there's, there's so many instances of things that you could go... And this was one of the things that Obama had said when Obama got into office. They were talking about George Bush and Dick Cheney being charged with war crimes and he was saying, "We're not gonna look to the past, we're gonna look towards the future."

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:20 You know, like, "We- I'm not gonna prosecute anybody." Imagine if, if when Obama got into office, if he decided to prosecute Dick Cheney and George Bush for crimes against humanity.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:32 Yeah. Crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 Oh my God. Can you imagine? You know how crazy that would be? Do you know how divided the country would be then? Well, that's the same thing kind of that is taking place now at a lesser scale obviously, because it's not a war crime you're charging someone with, but you could. You could charge Trump with war crimes. You could find some things that he did, especially with bombings and, you know. And even what, what Obama did. Obama, during the administration, they dropped a drone on a US citizen. No trial, no nothing. Shh, boom. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:03 Trump didn't even go for... He didn't go for Obama. He didn't go for Hillary, you know, and he could've. He could've tried them for things.

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 Yeah. Well, especially Hillary.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 Especially with the whole email thing, and the deleting of the emails.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:15 And supposedly Trump's the crazy one. Trump's the loose cannon.

Joe Rogan 1:13:19 They're all crazy. That's what they don't want you to know. It's like sluts that are always talking bad about other girls who are sluts (laughs) . Like, you know? It's what people do. It's a, it's a thing that, you know, people... "That's not me, I'm not like that." It's just a weird thing that people do. And people form teams, and they justify why they should use any means necessary to silence the other people on the other team, the opposition. And they don't even realize they're setting a precedent that when this motherfucker gets in office, or another motherfucker gets in office that's a Republican, you've got real problems now, kids. If the elections are real, that's how it usually goes. It usually goes, one side wins and they're like, "This fucking sucks. Let's try the other way." The other guy wins, like, "Oh, this is bullshit. Let's try the other way." And this is what we've done in this country over, and over, and over again.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:07 You know? We go Clinton to Bush, Bush to Obama. It's what we do.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 It's what we do. We always do it this way.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:14:15 And if you change the way people are allowed to go after political candidates, and you change the way you're allowed to silence an- an- an- and- and imprison your candidates, then we're like Mexico. We're just not assassinating people yet, you know? We're like a third world country. We're like a banana republic.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:36 We're letting things other than the will of the people, and what's best for the people, be what's- what's running the thing. We're letting the thing be run by the people that are in power that are corrupt, that want to keep the power. Because it's not just Biden. Biden is barely there, right? It's all the people that are working there. You got to understand, he has this huge team behind him. They don't want to leave. What? Get on Linklyn? Get on LinkedIn and fucking try to get a new job? Start sending out your resume?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:04 "I worked for the worst administration ever." (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:08 (laughs) I was, I was one of the people. You know? I mean, the one thing you can do is get a job as, like, a political person, on like TV. You'll get one of those jobs. Like if you're a White House press secretary. You know? And there's like Huckabee, isn't she like a governor now?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:23 Yeah. I think Arkansas or something.

Joe Rogan 1:15:25 That's a good one to start with. Want to run the world? Start with Arkansas.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:30 Mm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:31 I was talking to-

Joe Rogan 1:15:32 How much fucking...

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:33 ... Tulsi Gabbard the other night, and I went off on a rant to her about uh, um, mental health asylums.

Joe Rogan 1:15:41 Hm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:42 I'm like, that is... These people are everywhere on the streets now.

Joe Rogan 1:15:47 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:47 It's crazy people. And the- they, I mean, it's not a great thing to have them out. It's not good for them, and it's not good for everyone else.

Joe Rogan 1:15:58 No, terrible.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:58 They're used to be actual places. And the money that it would cost, I mean that's a cost that people would get behind.

Joe Rogan 1:16:05 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:06 The things that we would pay for, instead of the things that we are paying for, insane.

Joe Rogan 1:16:11 I think that happened during the Reagan administration. I think they changed, like what it means to be a mentally ill person. They let a bunch of people out. Is that true?

Narrator 1:16:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:16:21 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:22 Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was during the Re- You know, Reagan was one of those Republicans that made people want to be a Democrat (laughs) .

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:28 Oh, you know who, you know who I heard actually was behind it? Was JFK, 'cause he didn't like what happened to his sister.

Joe Rogan 1:16:34 How so?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:36 They gave his sister the lobotomy.

Joe Rogan 1:16:38 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:39 Yeah. And he turned against mental health institutions. I can't remember if it was...

Joe Rogan 1:16:44 They gave his sister a lobotomy?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:46 Oh yeah, bad one.

Joe Rogan 1:16:47 Oh my God.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:49 Oh, it's like one of the big Kennedy secrets.

Joe Rogan 1:16:51 You know they stopped doing that in like the late '60s.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:54 They did it for a long time. I had an Instagram post about it. 'Cause I went down a rabbit hole one night, and I was like, "What?" Like, they just scrambled people's brains, and there was all these ads, like smiley people afterwards, happy people afterwards. Just scramble your fucking brain with an iron rod that they push through your