Joe Rogan Experience #2161 - Tony Hinchcliffe

1. 0:00 – 0:48

   Tony’s sudden fame spike after the roast

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's it like to be king of the world, Tony Hinchcliffe?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe0:17

      (laughs) I got to talk some shit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      You're killing it, man. It's exciting. It's an exciting time for you.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe0:24

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      I hope you're enjoying it.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe0:26

      (laughs) Oh, I'm having a blast.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Is it weird? Does it feel weird?

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe0:29

       (inhales deeply) Kind of, 'cause I wasn't expecting, like, a big, uh, a big m- moment, or, like, a different boom, a different outside thing, 'cause I'm just content right here.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Right.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe0:39

       Chillin'. I had my Kill Tony stuff, and all of our stuff, and... But yeah, it's awesome.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       (laughs)

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe0:47

       (laughs)

2. 0:48 – 2:28

   Comedy Store politics: bumping, long lineups, and comedy tourists

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:48

      It's so interesting to watch. It was funny that Brian Simpson said that he was with you at the store, and he said he wa- he goes, "I watched Tony Hinchcliffe become real famous in real time."

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe0:57

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      Like, you could see, like, with the first show, when you're warming up, getting ready for the roast, then after the roast-

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:03

      ... people just going crazy.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04

      Yeah. It was weird. I got bumped by another comedian my first night at the store, and then I was the special guest super treat the rest of the week. Like, it was like I was the secret weapon, kind of. So I was unbumpable.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      (laughs) Well, you should be bumped anyway.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe1:21

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Bumping is horse shit.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Bumping is a thing that it- it's b- it was around the store back in the old days, and they shoulda got rid of it a long time ago. You know, it's one thing if, like, some superstar, Dave Chappelle type, Chris Rock character wants to pop in, Louis CK's in town-

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:36

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       ... and they wanna do 15 minutes, you know? That's all great. But what, what used to happen at the store is, you would get these comedians that were just doing it for an ego flex.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:46

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       They were just doing it because they wanted to be able to bump other folks on the roster, and then they would do, like, a fucking 45-minute set and ruin the timeline of the show. Everybody's supposed to do 15 minutes. There's, like, fucking 16 people on the show. It's a long-ass show. What, how many people are on? Like, uh...

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe2:02

       16.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       Is it 16?

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe2:03

       I don't know if it still is. It might be 14, or 12, or something. Like, it fucking pandemic.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       It's a lot of fucking people, dude.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe2:07

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Yeah. It's crazy that some people will sit there from show open. They will sit there from 8:00 PM, and they will be there 'til 2:00 AM.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe2:16

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       I've seen it.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe2:17

       Oh, yeah. I've seen it many a times.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       S- some people are just, like, especially those, uh, tourists, comedy tourists-

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe2:23

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       ... that come there from Australia, and Ireland, and shit.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe2:27

       Yeah, they don't wanna miss any-

3. 2:28 – 6:39

   Austin as a stand-up destination and why LA lost its grip

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      We're getting a lot of those at the Mothership, man. There's a lot of people from other countries. They're telling me they're flying in for this.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe2:33

      All the time.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      It's wild. They come in, they do, like, a weekend. Then, they go do ti- Kill Tony, and then they'll do, like, one of our shows.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe2:40

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      It's fucking crazy.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe2:42

      Yeah, I always ask now during the, uh, commercial break, where I get to talk directly to the Kill Tony audience, and I ask, "How many of you live in Austin, Texas make some noise? How many of you flew in just for this?" And it's always a bigger pop.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      Isn't that wild?

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe2:53

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      It's like the city's become, like, a vacation destination for standup.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe2:58

       Mm-hmm. For the arts, I think. I think you can come here and listen to live music, the best, and live comedy, and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       Yeah.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe3:06

       ... get to see a lot of fucking freaks.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Yeah, it's just fucking... What a time we're in, man.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe3:11

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Boy, did we get lucky. (laughs)

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe3:14

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       I mean, we just keep getting lucky, dude.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe3:16

       Having Shane here is the- is a, is a death blow-

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Oh, yeah.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe3:19

       ... to the other cities. Took him out on his first boat trip on, um, Sunday, and we drank. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       Of course. If you're with Shane, you're drinking.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe3:29

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       Did you drink Bud Lights, or did you drink real alcohol?

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe3:32

       I drank whiskey Cokes, he drank Bud Lights.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       (laughs)

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe3:35

       We always, we always fucking meet.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Yeah, that dude can put them away.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe3:40

       We-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       Do not fuck around with Shane Gillis.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe3:43

       Oh, my God.
4. 6:39 – 8:16

   Mexico smoke, assassinated candidates, and “we live next to a crack house”

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe6:39

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:39

      It's just fucked. Speaking of fire, do you see the sky? You know what that is?

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe6:42

      Uh-uh.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      Uh, in Mexico... Oh, we need to Google this too, because, uh, Mexico has a new president and I heard that 30-plus presidential candidates were assassinated.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe6:56

      Oh.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:56

      That might be just a TikTok meme. So I have to find out, so let's find out in real time. But the sky, the reason why the sky is so cloudy-looking?

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe7:04

      Uh-huh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      That's smoke from wildfires in Mexico.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe7:07

      Oh, wow. Y-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       Yeah, they did a controlled burn and they go, "Whoops."

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe7:10

       Oh, boy.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       A whoopsies. (laughs) Whoops. (laughs) Listen to this, 37... Excuse me. Claudia Sheinbaum, uh, was elected the country's first female president after a bloody election campaign that saw 37 candidates assassinated, and that's our neighbor.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe7:29

       Whoa.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       We live next to a fucking crack house. (laughs)

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe7:34

       (laughs) That's on fire.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       Yeah, a crack house on fire run by a Jew.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe7:37

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       (laughs) The, uh, first l-... A lady. First lady. Uh, more than three dozen candidates were assassinated, including a local government candidate in the central Puebla state who was killed on Friday, increasing the total number of those killed to 37. Who the fuck would want to run for office in Mexico?

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe7:56

       Dude.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       That is so crazy. That is so crazy. And look how few people. Look, 20,000 positions to fill and 70,000 candidates. If you have 20,000 positions in America, how many candidates do you have? Probably a lot more, 'cause nobody's getting assassinated.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe8:11

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:11

       That would be one way to start thinning the herd.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe8:14

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       (laughs)

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe8:15

       Taking them out.

5. 8:16 – 21:28

   US politics: Trump narratives, two-party “puppet” dynamics, and shifting allegiances

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:16

      (laughs) I mean, how far away... I mean, it sounds crazy, right? This is Mexico, it's not America, we don't... How far away are we from, uh, like, seeing another JFK-type situation?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe8:28

      Man, I mean, Jesus. Fuck. Could be close. Seems like there's a candidate that the government really doesn't want in-

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      Yeah, there's this one guy.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe8:38

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:38

      What's his name?

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe8:39

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:39

      (laughs) One guy who went to the UFC this weekend and got like a 30-second standing ovation.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe8:46

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:47

      Almost as big as Dave in Ohio, but not quite.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe8:49

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Not quite. (laughs)

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe8:51

       They're changing the tone on this. I mean, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Yeah.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe8:53

       ... you know? They're doing it. They want to try to make him look like a bad guy, but people just aren't stupid anymore. I mean, there's obviously still, like, half the country who doesn't get it, but...

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       Yo, so many, so many rappers. So many rappers are showing support for Trump now, it's crazy.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe9:08

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       'Cause now he's got a felony.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe9:11

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       (laughs)

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe9:13

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:13

       I mean, like, and now they realize also, he's getting trapped by the system, just like everybody's been rapping about.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe9:19

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       Being trapped by the system, this bullshit system, and you, you watch it happen with him.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe9:23

       Exactly. Yeah, I was just talking about this. It's like they... I don't think they were counting on the Black vote being like, "Hey, they just fucked that guy. That's what they do to us."

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Yeah, this is what they, they do to everybody and they pretend they're there for you while they're letting in immigrants. (sighs) And you know what, man? Here's the problem. Here's the real problem. Republicans won't be the solution either, kids. The, the problem is, people in a position of power. The Republicans seem like they are your solution, but it's just because the people in power right now are the Democrats. Whenever the Democrats are out and the Republicans are in, everybody is dying for a Democrat. I remember when Bush was president. After the second term, everybody was like, "Good lord, can we get a fucking reasonable Democrat in here before this country goes Christian nationalist and fucking... and goes crazy and starts every war?"

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe10:13

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       And then Obama comes in. We're like, "Oh, things are gonna be great," but it kinda seems like kinda the same, you know? And the whistleblower protection that he promised? Eh. Actually, probably like one of the worst on whistleblower, -blowers ever. Drone strikes? Eh, kind of a shitload of drone strikes.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe10:29

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       The whole thing was bonkers. It's just the same structure with a different face. It's Bill Hicks' joke. Bill Hicks' joke about, uh, "I think the puppet on the left is to my liking. Well, I'm more in line with the puppet on the right. Hey, there's one guy and he's holding both puppets." (laughs)

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe10:47

       (laughs)
6. 21:28 – 26:45

   Funeral industry scams, cremation reality, and the Kinison necrophilia bit

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:28

      You know how much money a fucking funeral costs? That's the thing Joey Diaz hit me too. He goes, "You know what a fucking scam is? These fucking mortuary homes and funeral homes and all that shit." You have to do it. You have to do it even if someone wants to be cremated. You have to embalm them, so you have to pay for that. And then you have to pay for a coffin. And then they try to upsell you. "Don't you want a Cadillac or a coffin for Grampy? Grampy always liked red velvet. He was the king. They dressed Grampy up in his nicest suit and a red velvet lo-" And it costs you $40,000 for the whole thing, and you're like, "What am I doing?"

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe22:02

      My buddies pulled a Big Lebowski. We had a comedian that we all started with named Skeezy, and he passed away, um, and nobody in his family wanted to claim the ashes, so Benji and Matt Edgar were like, "Well, we'll put him somewhere. He loved Venice Beach. Let's take him to the beach." So Benji goes to the Venice Beach mortuary or whatever, picks up the urn. They go to the ocean, and Matt's kind of watching Benji, and he goes, like, waist-high in the water, and he dumps out Skeezy's ashes, and it all just starts to compile (laughs) all around, all around Benji. And Matt's laughing-

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:40

      (laughs)

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe22:40

      ... and fucking Benji's cracking up. And as he gets out, like, the ashes are, like, following him, so they're, like, cra- all over his body, so he had to go shower in one of those Venice Beach, like, public showers to get the ashes off of him.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:52

      From what I heard, someone told... (sighs) Who was, who were they talking to? There was some podcast where they were talking about... I kind of wish I could remember so I could give them credit, but there was some podcast where they were talking about what you're, what you're really getting when you get Grampy's ashes. It's like, you're getting ash that's just sitting in the bottom of this furnace. It's not necessarily your grandpa. They don't, like, clean it out perfectly.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe23:14

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:14

      No one's watching.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe23:15

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:15

      No one gives a shit. Also, what it really looks like when they burn someone, uh, when they burn the body, you have, like, fragments of bone and shit. There's a lot. See if you can find, like, images of what it looks like when they actually cremate someone. But the guy was like, "You're not getting ashes." And not only that, sometimes they just throw other stuff in there, like cement.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe23:33

       Hm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:33

       You'll get cement. You're like, they don't give a fuck.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe23:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:36

       Like, it's just like, it's symbolic.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe23:38

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:38

       It's just a dumb thing we do. What you're supposed to do is let that body feed life. We're so stingy, we don't even let our bodies feed life. So that's what it really looks like. Look what it looks like. It's bones and chips and shit.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe23:54

       Ew.

   17. GUGuest23:54

       And Theo had a mortician on before.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:57

       Oh, maybe it was Theo.

   19. GUGuest23:58

       Yeah, it could've been.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       Did he say that?

   21. GUGuest24:00

       I don't know specifically. I was trying to look it up. I know-

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       I bet, I bet that's exactly what it is. No, thinking about it, I don't know.

   23. GUGuest24:08

       It could've been anybody.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       But either way, there was, someone was saying that a lot of the stuff you're getting in there, in disreput- I'm not saying all of them, of course. Some of them, sure, it's y- your Grampy, but of the disreputable ones, they don't give a fuck. They'll throw fucking kitty litter in there. "Here, go worship the kitty litter, you fucking idiot." They don't care.... they're just doing this in and out and in and out. And here's the other thing, do you know how many guys wind up fucking the female corpses?

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe24:35

       No.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       Do you know that this has been an issue?

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe24:37

       Uh-uh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:37

       No. My friend claims that when he was young, that they went to a funeral home and that the guy came to ... like, they were ringing the doorbell, the guy wouldn't come. They're knocking on the door, it was like for someone in their family that was dead. And the guy was in the back and came out, he was sweaty and out of breath. And they were like, "What the fuck is this guy doing?" He was acting super fucking sketchy and really weird. (clears throat) And they think he was back there with one of the corpses.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe25:13

       Oh.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       Yeah. He goes ... he just felt like he just fucked somebody. I go, "Really?" He goes, "When you think about it, it's like these women are hot and they're, they haven't deteriorated. And no one's around."
7. 26:45 – 32:46

   Comedy awakenings: Kinison, Kaufman, and late-night LA culture

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:45

      (clears throat) So, this girl that I worked with, this was at, uh, the Boston Athletic Club.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe26:50

      (clears throat)

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:50

      She got down in the parking lot and she was lying on her stomach, she goes, "Oh, oh!"

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe26:56

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:56

      "I mean, life keeps fucking me in the ass even after you're dead. It never ends." She's, like, doing that and I'm howling laughing at her doing an impression of Kinison.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe27:04

      Wow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:04

      That's how I found out about Sam Kinison.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe27:05

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:06

      Yeah.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe27:07

       Fucking amazing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:08

       That was before I was even thinking about doing comedy. I was 19.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe27:11

       Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       Yeah, I was like, "Wow, that's crazy. What's he doing?" (laughs)

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe27:15

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       I just like, "What?" I remember watching him for the first time going, "Oh, that's comedy too?" Like, I always loved comedy.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe27:24

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       I always used to watch The Tonight Show.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe27:26

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:26

       Like, when Richard Jeni would be on or Seinfeld would be on. I loved The Tonight Show. I loved standup, like even at The Improv. Like, when I was, like, I wasn't even 21. I went to, uh, see Jerry Seinfeld with this girl I was dating. We're just sitting there like, "Wow, seeing comedy." And I went to a ... But I always thought comedy was that, it was like the TV comedy, you know? And then there was Richard Pryor and then there was Eddie Murphy. But I never thought, like, sick shit could be funny until I saw Kinison. I was like, "Oh my God."

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe27:57

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:57

       Like, that's a different thing. That's ... I didn't know that was comedy too.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe28:01

       Right. No, I'm with you. I was a Jim, uh, Jim Carrey guy, and you know, when I was young, the funny faces and all the silly noises and stuff and everything. And, uh, and then when he did Man on the Moon and I saw that darker side of things and Andy gets fired from The Improv right at the beginning of the movie. And I realized right then that he was making money performing in front of live audiences. And I'm like, "What the fuck is that? That's cr- ... Wait." So there's, like, a lower level before The Tonight Show and stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:32

       Right.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe28:33

       And I started going to libraries and stuff to look up books on Andy Kaufman. I would look up Andy Kaufman and find any book that mentioned him. I went down this crazy dark rabbit hole.

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:43

       I used to go to Jerry's Deli all the time. Uh, that place was awesome. It was a great place 'cause it's 24 hours, you could always go there after shows. And they had a photo of Andy Kaufman on the wall. So it's Andy Kaufman when he worked there.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe28:57

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:58

       So Andy Kaufman, while he was on Taxi, took a job at Jerry's Deli just to wait tables.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe29:04

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       Just to, like, be weird. (laughs)

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe29:08

       (laughs) Yeah. Oh, yeah.
8. 32:46 – 35:28

   Food obsessions, regional pizza wars, and mob-adjacent neighborhoods

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe32:46

      My crew, we did, uh, Cleveland and then a night in Pittsburgh, and Youngstown's dead in between the two, so I took... We stopped off in Youngstown for lunch and got two different types of pizza from two different places. And, uh, everyone's minds are completely blown 'cause you cannot get pizza like that anywhere.

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:04

      Yeah.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe33:04

      You could try to find something in Chicago, but that's Chicago, and New York's New York. There's not, there's not that middle... Not deep dish, not thin crust. But in Youngstown there's 20 places unlike any place anywhere else.

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:20

      So what? It's like a hybrid of deep dish and-

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe33:23

      It's just a normal old fucking, like, lunch, school lunch pizza, but different types. Bellaria's famous for their Brier Hill, which is, you know, just plain with shaker cheese and some green peppers, which is diabolical. 'Cause if the sauce is good and the bread is good and the cheese is good, you don't need anything else. It's like a simple...

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:44

      Yeah. Well, that's what, uh, Portnoy always gets. He always gets a plain cheese pizza.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe33:48

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:50

      You watch his reviews of cheese pizza place?

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe33:51

      Sometimes, yeah. I love the ones where the people get mad and shit. It's so great.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       They get mad, yeah, if he doesn't... If it doesn't meet up to his standards. I mean, the guy's eaten everybody's pizza.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe34:00

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       Like, you gotta know what the fuck you're doing. But he says that New Haven, Connecticut is like where some of the best pizza in the world comes from.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe34:09

       That makes sense. I could see that. A lot of those offshoot Italian spots where they hid away, like Youngstown, like that. I guarantee Pittsburgh has decent...

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:20

       You know what they have in common?

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe34:21

       Hmm?

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:22

       Mob activity.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe34:23

       Oh, exactly.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:23

       New Haven has a lot of mob activity.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe34:25

       100%.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:26

       I used to work at the Joker's Wild. It's a place in New Haven, and the owner was a crazy convict.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe34:31

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:32

       Just out of his mind.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe34:33

       Uh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:33

       And I saw the owner, uh, beat a guy in the face with his shoe. He took his shoe off and beat a guy in the face- (laughs)

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe34:38

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       ... with the heel of his shoe, just...

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe34:40

       Oh, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:41

       He had blood all over him. Oh, it was a fucking disaster.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe34:45

       Those people need pizza.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:46

       (laughs)
9. 35:28 – 36:47

   Anxiety entertainment and the appeal of watching trainwrecks

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe35:28

      Dude, I watched this show that gave me more anxiety than any show I've ever watched in my entire fucking life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:34

      What?

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe35:35

      Baby Reindeer.

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:36

      Oh, I've heard it's insane.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe35:37

      It's the scariest thing ever. It's the scariest show ever. This guy's nice to one person who he doesn't really wanna be nice to, gives her a water or a tea or whatever, and she falls in love with him, and it become... It is the scariest show. I think it's supposed to be a comedy. I don't think I laughed once. The comedy part's not funny. He's also trying to be a comedian. None of it's funny at all, but the... It's literally you're watching for the anxiety.

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:08

      (laughs)

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe36:08

      I started it, and then I'm like, "I don't wanna watch, but I have to." And I just kept going, and it's fucking frightening.

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:15

      Have you seen the actual lady go on Piers Morgan and talk-

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe36:17

      Yeah, and she's literally like how she is in the thing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:20

       She's insane.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe36:21

       Oh, she's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:22

       And happy to talk about it.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe36:24

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:25

       And, and claiming she's not insane.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe36:26

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:27

       And not knowing how insane you look.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe36:29

       Yeah. Fucking frightening.

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:32

       It's wild when people don't know how insane they are.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe36:36

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:36

       And you, you watch them and you're like, "Oh, God. They don't... They think they're sane. They think they're fine. They think they're gonna go on there and make a good argument."

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe36:42

       Those are the most insane people, the ones that don't know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:46

       Right.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe36:47

       Yeah.

10. 36:47 – 54:11

    Fauci hearings, COVID policy backlash, and media manipulation claims

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:47

       You been watching the Fauci hearings?

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe36:49

       No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       Whoa. Dude, it's wild. It's wild.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe36:54

       What, what's going on with that?

    5. JRJoe Rogan36:54

       He's still, he's still, like, deeply in denial about everything. He's... I mean, they're confronting him about emails that they got, about deleting emails in preparation of a Freedom of Information Act request. They got emails from people that he worked with saying, you know, that, uh, "Don't worry, Fauci is too smart to talk about this stuff on emails. You'll either have to deliver something to him or meet him in person." There's all this, like, weird deception shit. There's people that said, "This is clearly leaked from a lab. Look at the fair and cleavage sites." This, they have to be... That, that, that's put into the virus to make it more infectious to human beings. They're talking about it in the email. And then that same guy, after talking to Fauci, like three days later, is like, "It's ridiculous to think this came from a lab." (laughs)

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe37:41

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:41

       "This is clearly from a natural or..." And they're all talking about discrediting people who are talking about the lab leak theory. I mean, they... What they did was insane, and they did it in front of everybody. And finally, Fauci has to talk about it to people. But he's still in denial about all of it. There's no science that says that masking for children works. There's no science that says that vaccinating children works, that it's good, that it's overall good. And the amount of people that have gotten wrecked by this, they're starting to recognize it in other countries, and they're talking about it in other countries. They haven't quite gone public with it in all the newspapers in the United States yet.

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe38:20

       (clears throat)

    9. JRJoe Rogan38:20

       But in the UK, they're bl- they're blaming it... There was the thing about Germany today. There was a front page of, like, a major newspaper. Somebody sent it to me. I'll send it to you, Jamie. Um, but they're finally starting to talk about it and they're talking about excess deaths in the Philippines. They're talking about the amount of people that are, uh, no longer, um, having children. The amount of, uh, less children that are born, because one of the side effects that is claimed, uh, is it wrecks women's fertility and it, it wrecks men's fertility too. It just, it... The baby numbers are down by a million.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe38:58

        I saw that too, but I couldn't tell what newspaper it was from.

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:00

        Yeah, I don't know. Um, I bet-

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe39:03

        I've got to look

    13. NANarrator39:03

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:03

        ... if you take the, the title.

    15. THTony Hinchcliffe39:05

        I'll take the writer's name and look it up.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:06

        But they're talking about it, uh, analyze data.

    17. THTony Hinchcliffe39:10

        Sorry, I was Googling it. Uh, where was it? Here.

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:12

        Just... Here we go (clears throat) . It says, um, "Researchers from the Netherlands analyzed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there have been more than three million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and con- containment measures. Experts said the unprecedented figures raise serious concerns and called on governments to fully investigate the underlying causes, including possible vaccine harms." This is wild stuff, man, because, you know, now that we're getting an understanding of how much deception was involved, like, trying to blame it on a natural origin when they clearly knew it was a lab leak, and they still don't say it's a lab leak. "It was clearly a lab leak."

    19. THTony Hinchcliffe39:58

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan39:58

        "Clearly." Obviously, I'm not a doctor, but in my eyes, it looks like a fucking lab leak. And most people that are educated think it's a fucking lab leak. And this guy still does... is denying it.

    21. THTony Hinchcliffe40:08

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:09

        And was denying that it's even gain-of-function and they even funded that research. But it... They changed the definition of gain-of-function for this particular vaccine.

    23. THTony Hinchcliffe40:19

        What did they change it to?

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:21

        The, the, the definition of gain-of-function on the NIH website was changed. It was updated.

    25. THTony Hinchcliffe40:26

        So that was from The Telegraph.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:27

        The Telegraph.

    27. THTony Hinchcliffe40:29

        In the UK.

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:29

        "COVID vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths." The excess deaths have to be discussed, and no one wants to because that's the ru- the real thing. The all-cause mortality deaths, the big uptick in cancer and what they're calling turbo cancer. Obviously, again, I don't understand any of this stuff, but Peter McCullough was talking about what the mechanism behind, um, this rise in cancer would be and how it could be tied into it. He was explaining it, like, from a medical perspective. And it was just... The whole thing is so nuts. Like, when are we gonna learn? Like, when are we gonna learn?

    29. THTony Hinchcliffe41:09

        Yeah, it's crazy. When I... Being back in LA, they rehired the people that they fired for, um, for not being vaccinated.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:18

        Mm-hmm.
11. 54:11 – 57:40

    AI acceleration, geopolitics, and fear of a near-unrecognizable future

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:11

       It's so weird, man. It's... Every day it's weirder and weirder. And every day, AI gets stronger and stronger. And every day, I wonder, like, is, are these the last days of just being a regular person? Are these the last days of us just driving around, getting on a plane, going to places, telling jokes? Are these just the last days of that? Like, are we gonna be living in a world in five years that's unrecognizable? 'Cause I think we are, dude.

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe54:41

       (sighs) I hope not. I don't know. The AI stuff still... I'm not completely mesmerized or convinced. I hear you and Duncan talking about it a lot in the green room, and I'm just always like, "I don't know."... I don't really, I haven't bought in yet. It all just seems like a fancy Alexa to me. It seems like a-

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:58

       Well, have you actually seen what it can do? Have you ever seen what it can do, like as far as coding?

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe55:04

       No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:04

       It can code so much faster than people. Like, it can solve problems faster than people. It can do all of these things already better than people can. Like, no one in the future is going to need to hire a coder. Like, a person who sits in front of a terminal for 16 hours a day and just fucking Adderalls out and just like lines of code, that's done. That's done. You could do that if you want to. But, the computer's gonna bang it out quick.

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe55:27

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:27

       It's, it would be stupid for you to do that when the computer can do it in two seconds and you're gonna spend 16 hours and you might fuck up a few lines and you gotta go back and check it and... Why? Why are you entering it in manually? The computer's just gonna do it. You know? Why, what, are you gonna stand there with a f- one of those old-timey photographs and ka-toosh, where everybody has to stand still? No, you have a phone now. It takes a better picture. It's gonna be like that with everything. It's g- it's going to be in control of airplanes. It's going to be in control of all the automobiles. The problem is you're gonna have to get, like, permission to go places. It's gonna get fucking weird, dude. It's gonna get really, really weird.

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe56:07

       Yeah, I just hope we can... I don't know.

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       Well, think about the amount of change that we have now in comparison to just our parents. Just our parents. The, the best transportation back then was an airplane. The best way to get the news was the television or a newspaper and you didn't, you didn't know what to do with your life. You just, you had to go to college and then you go to college or you go to trade school or you get a apprenticeship and you get a job and then you get a kid and you get like you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. You have this like surface level understanding of what's going on in the world. And now everybody knows what's going on in the world. Now every, like, the amount we knew about, um, the ir- Iraq invasion in like in '92, 93-

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe56:55

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:55

        ... whatever it was when, when the Iraq invaded Kuwait and-

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe56:58

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:58

        ... Desert Storm. The amount we knew was like minuscule.

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe57:01

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:02

        Minuscule. Nobody, there was no like YouTube shows where you could see someone breaking it down. "Oh, they're actually trying to get away from the American dollar. We're trying to do this and that." And there was none of that. No one knew the hustle.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe57:15

        It's crazy that these wars are still happening, I don't, I ca- I don't know, I don't know why we're giving them our money. It's, we need a, I don't know.

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:23

        Well, that's not gonna change.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe57:24

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan57:25

        I mean, that, I mean, that might shift if Trump becomes president. I mean, maybe he can get away with some stuff. Maybe he could do some things. He wants to stop the wars. He's like the only one that's like saying he can stop the wars and wants to stop the wars.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe57:38

        He's the only one that did before. He did it before.

12. 57:40 – 1:15:32

    Cartels, drug legalization, and Texas fentanyl test strip controversy

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:40

       What can he do though? What can he do different? Like, what can... Let's pretend. Let's pretend it's, uh, November of 2024, Trump wins, January he gets in office. What can he do?

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe57:53

       Well, it seems like he has a way to, uh...

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:57

       (laughs) Jesus Christ. Trump is planning to send kill teams to Mexico to take out cartel leaders. Donald Trump has told allies about his plans to covertly send special forces to Mexico to assassinate drug kingpins, sources tell Rolling Stone. Well, Rolling Stone, you have lied to me before.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe58:15

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:17

       You've lied to me a lot. And you've lied to me about the fucking people overdosing on horse dewormer. Remember that?

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe58:23

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:24

       That was Rolling Stone. They had a, a line of people outside waiting to get to the hospital because so many people were in there for horse dewormer overdoses that gunshot victims couldn't get in.

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe58:35

       Jesus.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:36

       They're so dumb, they used a photograph. This was in like August in Oklahoma. They used a photograph of people wearing coats 'cause they were lining up for a flu shot. It was a different shot, different photo. It wasn't what they were really were there for. It was bullshit.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe58:50

        Crazy.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        What is that article, Jim?

    12. GUGuest58:51

        The same thing, it was just, uh, printed somewhere else.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:54

        The same thing?

    14. GUGuest58:55

        Yeah, same thing printed on Yahoo! But the source was Rolling Stone and here too.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:59

        Yeah, I mean, if he was doing that, someone's a rat. So, s- shut the fuck up.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe59:06

        It seems like a w- it seems like the type of article that you would put out if you want the person assassinated and you wanna make it look like someone else is going to assassinate them.

    17. GUGuest59:14

        It's reported a little differently. One source recalled him saying it in the past, earlier this year, that he would do something like that.

    18. JRJoe Rogan59:20

        He should create a kill list of drug lords consisting of most notorious heads of drug cartels that a special ops team would be tasked with killing or capturing.

    19. GUGuest59:27

        That's a different way of saying that.

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:29

        You know, the problem with that is you create a power vacuum and then what happens is someone else rises to the new spot. You're, you're not gonna stop the demand so you're not gonna stop the supply. You can try, but unless you're in an all-out everyday war with the cartel, you're probably not gonna do that. Even if you kidnap and capture leaders, you're gonna disrupt the organization, but my guess, my uneducated guess would be someone was gonna st- come in to fill that void.

    21. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:00

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

        They gotta make drugs legal, as horrible as that sounds. But that's the only way. They should just make them legal, tax the shit out of them, and use the money for treatment centers and education.

    23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:13

        And testing.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

        Yeah, and, and testing. And you know-

    25. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:16

        You know that, you know that it's illegal to have a, to, to, it's illegal to have or to give away fentanyl test strips in the state of Texas?

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

        It's illegal?

    27. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:29

        Illegal. 'Cause-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

        Can you sell them?

    29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:32

        Me and my buddy are starting a water company. Here's how I know about this. Canned water, right? And the plan was to get them into all the bars in the city. Our idea was to literally just attach a, a 30¢, you know, fentanyl test strip and then we found out we can't do that. You can't give away fentanyl test strips. You can't...

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

        ... can't give 'em away.
13. 1:15:32 – 1:28:03

    Mental health institutions, lobotomies, and brain plasticity rabbit holes

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:32

       How much fucking...

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:33

       ... Tulsi Gabbard the other night, and I went off on a rant to her about uh, um, mental health asylums.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:41

       Hm.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:42

       I'm like, that is... These people are everywhere on the streets now.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:47

       Yeah.

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:47

       It's crazy people. And the- they, I mean, it's not a great thing to have them out. It's not good for them, and it's not good for everyone else.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:58

       No, terrible.

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:58

       They're used to be actual places. And the money that it would cost, I mean that's a cost that people would get behind.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:16:05

       Yeah.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:06

        The things that we would pay for, instead of the things that we are paying for, insane.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:16:11

        I think that happened during the Reagan administration. I think they changed, like what it means to be a mentally ill person. They let a bunch of people out. Is that true?

    12. NANarrator1:16:20

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:16:21

        Yeah.

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:22

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:16:22

        Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was during the Re- You know, Reagan was one of those Republicans that made people want to be a Democrat (laughs) .

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:28

        Oh, you know who, you know who I heard actually was behind it? Was JFK, 'cause he didn't like what happened to his sister.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:16:34

        How so?

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:36

        They gave his sister the lobotomy.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:16:38

        Oh.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:39

        Yeah. And he turned against mental health institutions. I can't remember if it was...

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:16:44

        They gave his sister a lobotomy?

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:46

        Oh yeah, bad one.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:16:47

        Oh my God.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:49

        Oh, it's like one of the big Kennedy secrets.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:16:51

        You know they stopped doing that in like the late '60s.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:16:54

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:16:54

        They did it for a long time. I had an Instagram post about it. 'Cause I went down a rabbit hole one night, and I was like, "What?" Like, they just scrambled people's brains, and there was all these ads, like smiley people afterwards, happy people afterwards. Just scramble your fucking brain with an iron rod that they push through your eyeball.

Episode duration: 2:44:17